Dubai

[Olneythelonely]

Probably because some people are over sensitive about use of the word victim even though some people spurs and Everton fans included, love to play the victim

That’s right. It’s the fault of sensitive people. Not dickheads.

[TelfordVilla]

When it’s been used in the context of the unlawful killing of 97 innocent people sensitivity is hardly surprising. Perhaps not use it at all in relation to Liverpool? It’s not needed.

But context is the keyword. Not every reference to Liverpool and their followers is a direct or even indirect reference to either the Hillsborough or Hysel deaths. The outrage over a VAR/referee error mentioned earlier is a prime example. Demanding a replay because they were the victims of that decision is a typical Liverpool response.
They had to play their youth team in the FA Cup against us because their 1st team were on a sightseeing trip in Dubai. Victims again. Whinge whinge all the time. Never their fault.

[Clampy]

Has the 'always the victims' tag always been labelled at them or is it since erm, Hillsborough?

[TelfordVilla]

It's just a scouse thing. Like always being militant or always being a comedian. It's the sweeping generalisation that is forever attached to being scouse. Everton are the same. Always suing anyone and everyone for causing offence.

[paul_e]

When it’s been used in the context of the unlawful killing of 97 innocent people sensitivity is hardly surprising. Perhaps not use it at all in relation to Liverpool? It’s not needed.

But context is the keyword. Not every reference to Liverpool and their followers is a direct or even indirect reference to either the Hillsborough or Hysel deaths. The outrage over a VAR/referee error mentioned earlier is a prime example. Demanding a replay because they were the victims of that decision is a typical Liverpool response.
They had to play their youth team in the FA Cup against us because their 1st team were on a sightseeing trip in Dubai. Victims again. Whinge whinge all the time. Never their fault.

context does matter but you're missing the fact that lots of people who blamed the fans for Hillsborough made 'always the victims' part of their criticism, to the point where, it's now a pretty toxic phrase to use towards liverpool. Whether you intend to or not if you make that connection then you are going to piss people off and the only sensible response is "sorry I didn't realise the connection" and just stop fucking doing it. Doubling down as you and lovejoy have is just fucking shitty behaviour.

[TelfordVilla]

Brummies are always dour miserable fuckers and I conform to that stereotype willingly

[Richard E]

‘It’s never your fault’ is clearly a reference to Hillsborough and Heysel. It doesn’t make sense as a comment about more general whinging.

[TelfordVilla]

With 2 Cup quarter finals and 9 league "Cup finals" coming up, there is plenty of good things to look forward to.
Come on Villa. Bring it all home.

[HolteL4]

What the fuck has Liverpool got to do with Villas trip to Dubai?

[Sexual Ealing]

What the fuck has Liverpool got to do with Villas trip to Dubai?

Lovejoy did it. Again.

[Somniloquism]

What the fuck has Liverpool got to do with Villas trip to Dubai?

Someone decided to continue moaning about something else because most people ignored a pretty crap joke.

[MorrisNielson]

Looking at clips & photos of the friendly, I’ve been trying to piece together the team. This is what I have:
Zych; Disasi, Mings, Torres, Taylor; Onana, Kamara; Pavey, Asensio, J.Ramsey; Jimoh-Aloba
Subs: Emery, Alcock, Borland, Pierre, Barnes, Mosquera & Cotcher on for Zych, Mings, Kamara, Pavey, Onana, Asensio & Ramsey.
Not 100% sure but looks like the best we can do unless an official teamsheet surfaces.

[Footy-Vill]

Looking at clips & photos of the friendly, I’ve been trying to piece together the team. This is what I have:
Zych; Disasi, Mings, Torres, Taylor; Onana, Kamara; Pavey, Asensio, J.Ramsey; Jimoh-Aloba
Subs: Emery, Alcock, Borland, Pierre, Barnes, Mosquera & Cotcher on for Zych, Mings, Kamara, Pavey, Onana, Asensio & Ramsey.
Not 100% sure but looks like the best we can do unless an official teamsheet surfaces.

Good work! Interesting mix.
So Barkley and Watkins are resting/recovering from injury and didn’t feature at all or travel then?

[paul_e]

Looking at clips & photos of the friendly, I’ve been trying to piece together the team. This is what I have:
Zych; Disasi, Mings, Torres, Taylor; Onana, Kamara; Pavey, Asensio, J.Ramsey; Jimoh-Aloba
Subs: Emery, Alcock, Borland, Pierre, Barnes, Mosquera & Cotcher on for Zych, Mings, Kamara, Pavey, Onana, Asensio & Ramsey.
Not 100% sure but looks like the best we can do unless an official teamsheet surfaces.

Good work! Interesting mix.
So Barkley and Watkins are resting/recovering from injury and didn’t feature at all or travel then?

Watkins travelled, he's been in the pictures. Barkley seems to have stayed back.

[lovejoy]

What the fuck has Liverpool got to do with Villas trip to Dubai?

Lovejoy did it. Again.

As Telford has stated, people can think of Liverpool having a victim complex without needing to reference tragedies. Context is important.

In fact when I asked Dave to support his assertion this was about tragedies he changed one of my posts and had nothing. Getting angry for the sake of it. Man shouts at cloud territory.

The cup can't come quickly enough.

Oh and topics do often meander away from their original theme,like most conversations, but by all means get angry about that too. Jeez.