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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on September 18, 2024, 04:35:17 AM
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Back to the PL with a Saturday kick off vs local rivals Wolves. A poor result for them last weekend vs Newcastle while we won vs Everton. A lot of that goes out of the window in a game vs a local rival. They’ll be up for it in a fixture we’ve not always done that well in. But on form and confidence will go for a 2-1 win.
Duran and Leon for us.
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Villa Park, 3 pm Saturday 21st September.
Perhaps a clean sheet and 4 goals.
Ramsay, Watkins (2), Durán.
Shaw tribute bound to be emotional.
FTWWF!
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Hoping for a win 3-1
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Rivals in location only. I think what we achieve this season will be heavily influenced by injuries. If we don’t have too many I think we might have a legendary season.
Wolves is a different test. More about mentality and the ref wil need to be strong.
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The Gary Shaw tribute will bring a few tears.
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I think maatsen should be given a start here.
Maybe duran pending on ollies injury. Not sure how fit bailey is
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A clean sheet again please, make it as easy as possible on ourselves.
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Facing teams like Bayern Munich and Wolverhampton Wanderers. We've really hit the big time.
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A clean sheet again please, make it as easy as possible on ourselves.
Yeah it would be good to ahve two clean sheets in a row. Our first in PL this year. I do wonder whether we will go with carlos at cb and konsa for this one. As we looked alot more defensively sound when bogarde went off
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A nervy odd goal win. This will be tough
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They're long overdue a good hiding and it will come this weekend.
5-1.
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A nervy odd goal win. This will be tough
Agreed, a narrow home win.
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Just fucking win.
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What was Shawsy's record like against these fvckers?
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Gamed against Champions League side just keep coming.
3-0
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What was Shawsy's record like against these fvckers?
Decent enough. Scored home and away in 79/80 and also 81/82.
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Play the Panda
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Great to see thread back in the title.
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8-0
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Are Wolves still competing with the likes of Real Madrid for players?
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Are Wolves still competing with the likes of Real Madrid for players?
#levels
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If they get a result against us will they become the self-proclaimed European champions again?
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If they get a result against us will they become the self-proclaimed European champions again?
Sadly we shall never know.
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What was Shawsy's record like against these fvckers?
No.
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------- Martinez --------
Bogarde Konsa Torres Digne
-- Onana -- Tielemans ----
Rogers ------------- McGinn
Bailey ----------- Watkins --
Ramsey or Bailey is the only conundrum, the rest picks itself currently
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Rarely on the pre-match thread, but strong premonition for this weekend:
1. Some team is going to get a proper twatting real soon, with the chances we create
2. Things will click into place for Rogers, who’s playing tremendously without individual reward
3. Gary Shaw will be smiling down on us for a few matches
So, 5-1 to the Villa, Roger’s gets a hatrick, Ollie scores 1 - leaving us with 4 players on 3 goals - and the last one is a peno - not sure who will take that.
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I do think this lot are overdue a proper twatting by us, and hopefully it's this weekend.
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And Gary O’Neil needs to be brought down a peg or two also.
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I do think this lot are overdue a proper twatting by us, and hopefully it's this weekend.
Gary O'Neil is a pretty good value bet to be next manager sacked I reckon. A nice 4-0 would probably help that along nicely.
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For those thinking Duran should start a word of caution, Dawson is a wily old fucker for them and the kind that would engineer a red card, I'd still start Ollie if fit.
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I do think this lot are overdue a proper twatting by us, and hopefully it's this weekend.
Gary O'Neil is a pretty good value bet to be next manager sacked I reckon. A nice 4-0 would probably help that along nicely.
I don’t know why I think this, must’ve heard it from somewhere, but aren’t they too skint to sack him?
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------- Martinez --------
Bogarde Konsa Torres Digne
-- Onana -- Tielemans ----
Rogers ------------- McGinn
Bailey ----------- Watkins --
Ramsey or Bailey is the only conundrum, the rest picks itself currently
Not sure Bogarde will start, thought he struggled last night. Konsa for me at RB and Carlos coming into CB.
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3-2 Villa.
FTF
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------- Martinez --------
Bogarde Konsa Torres Digne
-- Onana -- Tielemans ----
Rogers ------------- McGinn
Bailey ----------- Watkins --
Ramsey or Bailey is the only conundrum, the rest picks itself currently
Not sure Bogarde will start, thought he struggled last night. Konsa for me at RB and Carlos coming into CB.
He was targeted and as a result was poor. His throw-in straight to the opposition made me chuckle. Hell come good as he builds his experience.
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Great to see thread back in the title.
Indeed. It is important not to alienate MAGAS and people with learning difficulties.
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For those thinking Duran should start a word of caution, Dawson is a wily old fucker for them and the kind that would engineer a red card, I'd still start Ollie if fit.
Yep, bring him on at 3-0 and let him double the score.
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For those thinking Duran should start a word of caution, Dawson is a wily old fucker for them and the kind that would engineer a red card, I'd still start Ollie if fit.
He's also a shit and slow old fucker, and if I was a Wolves fan, the thought of Dawson up against Duran would have me trembling in my matching sno-washed jeans and jacket, double-denim combo.
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As usual Dingle City will play out of their skins and give us a right old scare.
Then class will show and we will win
They played some good stuff against Newcastle
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Well I'm sure the Wolfs fans are chatting to the coalman as we speak about the game. although their rivalry with us has reversed quicker than their form so maybe they're talking to the bloke in the leather waistcut about Sangwell Town?
Either the way that one way rivalry, like a schoolboy pulling the pigtails of the girl he secretly fancied, was amusing more than annoying, like Coventry but in even more unfashionable clothing.
I can concur with the anticipation that someone is going to get a shoeing off us at some point but I don't think it will be on Saturday. They looked OK against Newcastle, the move for their goal was a fine one, but a rare outbreak of class in a generally poor game, the other being Harvey Barnes goal.
I fancy we'll see Duran starting with Bogarde out for Carlos but the result will be the one that we want (the new film smash Grease comes to Wolverhampton in October btw).
3-1
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I do think this lot are overdue a proper twatting by us, and hopefully it's this weekend.
Gary O'Neil is a pretty good value bet to be next manager sacked I reckon. A nice 4-0 would probably help that along nicely.
They are on a bad run but he isn't been given any backing really. They have let Neto, Killman, Nunes and Neves go in recent times for huge money but not replaced them. They always give us plenty of problems, will be a much tougher game than last night
Bogarde looks a long way off it so far, Id expect a change at RB.
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If it's a game of football we'll win. If they manage to drag us out into the street with only hoops and sticks for entertainment, they might get a point, and they'll be back in Bilston for lashings and lashings of faggots and pays with crooked smiles on the other side of their faces.
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As usual Dingle City will play out of their skins and give us a right old scare.
Then class will show and we will win
They played some good stuff against Newcastle
They looked tired last 20 mins, individually though they still have decent players and ones who can get through a high line so we need to be wary
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Yes, their Ns were always their main men - Nuno Espírito Santo, Neto, Nunes and Neves.
Ait-Nouri is good but he can't do it on his own. They need someone with the movement of Nureyev.
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0-2
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What was Shawsy's record like against these fvckers?
No.
That was how Sir Dennis referred to him. And that's good enough for me
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What was Shawsy's record like against these fvckers?
No.
That was how Sir Dennis referred to him. And that's good enough for me
That's what everyone called him.
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What was Shawsy's record like against these fvckers?
Here are the results for all the games in which he played against The Dingles. Info taken from Aston Villa - Complete Record 1874-1988
League Games
27.10.79 A D 1-1 Shaw
30.03.80 H L 1-3 Shaw
07.09.80 H W 2-1 Hughes og Geddes
28.02.81 A W1-0 Withe
24.10.81 H W 3-1 Shaw (2) Palmer og
13.03.82 A W 3-1 Donavan Morley Shaw
FA Cup
29.01.82 H W 1-0 Withe
League Cup
07.10.81 H W 3-2 Bremner Morley Blair
27.10.81 A W 2-1 Cowans (2) 1p
He went on loan to Blackpool in 1987-88 and left on a free the following summer
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Didn't realise Wolves were playing tonight. That's not so bad for us. We've a day extra rest over them. And they're playing Brighton, who are probably better then Young Boys. No idea what the lineups are like though.
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What was Shawsy's record like against these fvckers?
Here are the results for all the games in which he played against The Dingles. Info taken from Aston Villa - Complete Record 1874-1988
League Games
27.10.79 A D 1-1 Shaw
30.03.80 H L 1-3 Shaw
07.09.80 H W 2-1 Hughes og Geddes
28.02.81 A W1-0 Withe
24.10.81 H W 3-1 Shaw (2) Palmer og
13.03.82 A W 3-1 Donavan Morley Shaw
FA Cup
29.01.82 H W 1-0 Withe
League Cup
07.10.81 H W 3-2 Bremner Morley Blair
27.10.81 A W 2-1 Cowans (2) 1p
He went on loan to Blackpool in 1987-88 and left on a free the following summer
Oh my goodness, those names!
Just had a ‘moment’, there.
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Gary O'Neil is quite a despicable manager and his spoiling tactics will come into play here.
Still a comfortable 2-0 win without some controversy hopefully but they'll be set up to be physical so have to keep our own discipline.
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Wolves saving their palyers for saturday. Currently looking poor and losing to Brighton 2-0
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BHA v Dogheads
Red cards and injuries please.
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If we only get points from the games we’re bookies favourites in, we will go down.
It’s a weak, pathetic excuse.
Yes, our fixtures are hard but he will line up with a side on Saturday that will have cost over £175m and have 3x Brazilian internationals, Portuguese international. In fact everyone will have played for their country except Dawson and Bellegarde.
If Villa keep the same team, we will have more full international players on the pitch than them.
Genuinely now, our XI isn’t that far off them. It really isn’t.
But we will lose because Emery is on a different planet as a manager. If the two in the dugout swapped I would fancy our chances big time.
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Ahahahahahahahhahaaaaaah.
Someone should point out to them that the world has moved on. And averaging £15m a player doesn't buy you very much in the Premier League.
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Ahahahahahahahhahaaaaaah.
Someone should point out to them that the world has moved on. And averaging £15m a player doesn't buy you very much in the Premier League.
Not keeping up with the times is something of a weakness for them all round.
You do see quite a bit of those sort of claims over there still, like "If they didn't have a better keeper, striker and manager than us there would be nothing between the teams etc", when the reality is the quality of our squads have been heading in different directions for a good few years now.
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The Are Villa's owners more ambitious than ours? thread on MM seems to have died a death.
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Their current league run is W1 D3 L11. The win was against Luton.
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They'll still play like 1960 Real Madrid on Saturday. The Brentford of the Midlands.
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That post reminds me of the Triggers Broom scene.
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More hot takes from Molineux Mix..
I think Cunha is better than Watkins.
(Martinez had a ) Purple patch 2 seasons ago but nothing great since then
Cunha is the best player in both sides - but he is a number 10, not a striker
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Looks like they've got the anti-Footy over there, with a thread called:
"I have something to say that doesn’t require it’s own thread"
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But do they have someone in there disputing whether the items raised in that thread do in fact require their own thread?
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‘If both squads were completely different Villa wouldn’t be better than us’ isn’t much of an argument. You could say that about any two teams.
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"If my auntie had two eyes, a full set of teeth, a brain, and a pair of bollocks, she'd be my Brummie uncle."
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‘If both squads were completely different Villa wouldn’t be better than us’ isn’t much of an argument. You could say that about any two teams.
Is Footy posting over there too?
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If I had bad taste, a poor IQ, a delusional sense of reality, a penchant for shit football, and a history of sleeping with my sister - I'd be a Wolves fan.
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Let’s see how we recover after Europe.
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More hot takes from Molineux Mix..
I think Cunha is better than Watkins.
(Martinez had a ) Purple patch 2 seasons ago but nothing great since then
Cunha is the best player in both sides - but he is a number 10, not a striker
I kind of miss this kind of shit since moving from Wolverhampton.
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Cunha that one they were forced to pay a fortune for that doesn't score any goals? That the right fella?
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Oh dear Lee.
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Wtf have you done Lee. To add balance, I think Cunha is bloody brilliant and we need to watch him closely, type of game I would have loved Kamara fit for.
Need to stop conceding so many sloppy home goals this weekend.
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Still quite a few GA+ seats left. Do they put them on as normal admission if they look like they aren't going to sell them?
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I do not agree with LeeB. FFS Lee, the gods...
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If there was a God, he wouldn't give a shit about those two bob throwbacks would he?
I maintain, 5-1 to us.
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I'm going for a 2-0 Villa win.
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If there was a God, he wouldn't give a shit about those two bob throwbacks would he?
I maintain, 5-1 to us.
The football gods aren't like that daft bastard the religious people waste their time on. They are real, they are legion (but not, from what I've read on here over the years, Legion) and they bear a fucking grudge.
Villa 1 - Wolves/LeeB 6 (Cunha 9, 15, 24, 53, 61, 99).
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Yes, I remember taking my Dingle uncle to Villa Park under Dean Smith. As our second goal went in, I playfully patted him on the head, and told him I hoped he enjoyed his long drive back to North Wales, and could he give any of his fellow supporters a lift back on his horse and cart. A few minutes later, we're 3-2 down and he's patting me on the head, and the timer is set on Dean Smith's time in charge.
Lee, you're messing with forces you can't possibly understand.
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Yes, I remember taking my Dingle uncle to Villa Park under Dean Smith. As our second goal went in, I playfully patted him on the head, and told him I hoped he enjoyed his long drive back to North Wales, and could he give any of his fellow supporters a lift back on his horse and cart. A few minutes later, we're 3-2 down and he's patting me on the head, and the timer is set on Dean Smith's time in charge.
Lee, you're messing with forces you can't possibly understand.
Yes! I did the same fucking thing Vs Leeds around Christmas time in the Championship. I bought my (Leeds) brother-in-law and my (wavering between Villa and Leeds) nephew tickets to the game at VP. At 2-0, I patted the b-i-l on the shoulder and said 'Merry Christmas mate' and gave my nephew my c&b scarf. I knew instantly that I'd sinned. The nephew returned my scarf and is now fully Leeds. I think Kemar Roofe scored their third.
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Yes, I remember taking my Dingle uncle to Villa Park under Dean Smith. As our second goal went in, I playfully patted him on the head, and told him I hoped he enjoyed his long drive back to North Wales, and could he give any of his fellow supporters a lift back on his horse and cart. A few minutes later, we're 3-2 down and he's patting me on the head, and the timer is set on Dean Smith's time in charge.
Lee, you're messing with forces you can't possibly understand.
Yes! I did the same fucking thing Vs Leeds around Christmas time in the Championship. I bought my (Leeds) brother-in-law and my (wavering between Villa and Leeds) nephew tickets to the game at VP. At 2-0, I patted the b-i-l on the shoulder and said 'Merry Christmas mate' and gave my nephew my c&b scarf. I knew instantly that I'd sinned. The nephew returned my scarf and is now fully Leeds. I think Kemar Roofe scored their third.
Now some people MAY think that having somebody like Elmohamady at right back is the reason for losing games like that, but don't fall for their anti-religious ways.
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6-1
With everyone disappointed to miss out on a clean sheet
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We need to defend far better than v Everton. This is their Cup Final .
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Watched their highlights against Newcastle and some of their match against Brighton.
They seemed to play fairly well and be unlucky to lose both matches. Had pretty good pace.
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We need to defend far better than v Everton. This is their Cup Final .
The wolves players couldn't give a flying shit about any idea of local rivalry, the fans obviously see it that way but to the players it's just another match
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We need to defend far better than v Everton. This is their Cup Final .
The wolves players couldn't give a flying shit about any idea of local rivalry, the fans obviously see it that way but to the players it's just another match
The players will be made well aware of the local rivalry. They normally raise their game a bit against us.
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Yes, I remember taking my Dingle uncle to Villa Park under Dean Smith. As our second goal went in, I playfully patted him on the head, and told him I hoped he enjoyed his long drive back to North Wales, and could he give any of his fellow supporters a lift back on his horse and cart. A few minutes later, we're 3-2 down and he's patting me on the head, and the timer is set on Dean Smith's time in charge.
Lee, you're messing with forces you can't possibly understand.
Yes! I did the same fucking thing Vs Leeds around Christmas time in the Championship. I bought my (Leeds) brother-in-law and my (wavering between Villa and Leeds) nephew tickets to the game at VP. At 2-0, I patted the b-i-l on the shoulder and said 'Merry Christmas mate' and gave my nephew my c&b scarf. I knew instantly that I'd sinned. The nephew returned my scarf and is now fully Leeds. I think Kemar Roofe scored their third.
A client of mine (Leeds fan) got us a box through Aston University for the game. 2-0 up and I was smug. As the game progressed, I gradually slunk further and further back into my seat.
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We need to defend far better than v Everton. This is their Cup Final .
The wolves players couldn't give a flying shit about any idea of local rivalry, the fans obviously see it that way but to the players it's just another match
The players will be made well aware of the local rivalry. They normally raise their game a bit against us.
It isn't local rivalry. For it to be that, both sides need to have a degree of hate for the other guys.
They hate us, we don't really think about them other than when we have to play them.
It's like describing Coventry as local rivals. They absolutely loathe us. In return, we just look at them and shrug.
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Re Match thread tomorrow: can people not comment or announce goals until Sunday morning please as I am reading the Deathwatch thread and stuck for an amusing pun? Ta!
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2.1
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These lot are better than Everton.
We cannot defend against them like we did against Everton
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We need to defend far better than v Everton. This is their Cup Final .
The wolves players couldn't give a flying shit about any idea of local rivalry, the fans obviously see it that way but to the players it's just another match
The players will be made well aware of the local rivalry. They normally raise their game a bit against us.
It isn't local rivalry. For it to be that, both sides need to have a degree of hate for the other guys.
They hate us, we don't really think about them other than when we have to play them.
It's like describing Coventry as local rivals. They absolutely loathe us. In return, we just look at them and shrug.
For years there was something of an entant cordiale in my experience where both clubs held a certain respect for each other, I knew loads of Wolves fans and apart from the few occasions we played them it was all fine.
Then they got a sniff of the barmaids apron and got rather giddy on success and some, certainly not all, started acting like 'Noses and frothing at the mouth about us.
It's abated now and I still remain rather puzzled and somewhat amused about it all.....................
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It's their degree of success that tickles me. A high of 7th, a europa quarter final and an fa cup semi final. What a glorious couple of seasons that was.
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Yes, I remember taking my Dingle uncle to Villa Park under Dean Smith. As our second goal went in, I playfully patted him on the head, and told him I hoped he enjoyed his long drive back to North Wales, and could he give any of his fellow supporters a lift back on his horse and cart. A few minutes later, we're 3-2 down and he's patting me on the head, and the timer is set on Dean Smith's time in charge.
Lee, you're messing with forces you can't possibly understand.
Yes! I did the same fucking thing Vs Leeds around Christmas time in the Championship. I bought my (Leeds) brother-in-law and my (wavering between Villa and Leeds) nephew tickets to the game at VP. At 2-0, I patted the b-i-l on the shoulder and said 'Merry Christmas mate' and gave my nephew my c&b scarf. I knew instantly that I'd sinned. The nephew returned my scarf and is now fully Leeds. I think Kemar Roofe scored their third.
A client of mine (Leeds fan) got us a box through Aston University for the game. 2-0 up and I was smug. As the game progressed, I gradually slunk further and further back into my seat.
So it wasn't me being there to see my niece as one of the mascots for her Birthday. phew.
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Re Match thread tomorrow: can people not comment or announce goals until Sunday morning please as I am reading the Deathwatch thread and stuck for an amusing pun? Ta!
Hmmm, let's funeral them.
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I love being 3 nil up
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We need to defend far better than v Everton. This is their Cup Final .
The wolves players couldn't give a flying shit about any idea of local rivalry, the fans obviously see it that way but to the players it's just another match
The players will be made well aware of the local rivalry. They normally raise their game a bit against us.
It isn't local rivalry. For it to be that, both sides need to have a degree of hate for the other guys.
They hate us, we don't really think about them other than when we have to play them.
It's like describing Coventry as local rivals. They absolutely loathe us. In return, we just look at them and shrug.
We were paying more attention to them when they were above us and we were in the Championship, not so much now i agree, but to say there is no local rivalry at all isn't accurate.
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I couldn't tell you the name of any Coventry players, where they are in the league or who they are playing this weekend.
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We were paying more attention to them when they were above us and we were in the Championship, not so much now i agree, but to say there is no local rivalry at all isn't accurate.
Really? I don't remember it that way at all. What I remember from the Wolves fans I know was that one day they decided that West Brom were too small to care about and suddenly Villa were their 'real' local rivals and they were the new "king of the midlands". Most Villa fans were pretty ambivalent to it all and mostly were worrying about relegation (and later getting promoted). I can't recall anyone on here or elsewhere deciding it was a big derby, just a game we wanted to win to shut them up more than anything.
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For some Villa fans a game against Wolves is a big deal, especially those in the black country. It's certainly more of a game to a lot than if it was say Ipswich or Brentford.
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Historically they were rivals. Fellow founder members and we always played them Christmas Day and Boxing Day.
It was Blues we didn’t care about until that “rivalry” was confected by the Evening Mail in the 60s for circulation reasons.
Albion was the big one.
Coventry dislike Villa so much because Villa have always had so much support in areas they expect to be their catchment area.
We are the Club of the midlands not an inner city Club.
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We were paying more attention to them when they were above us and we were in the Championship, not so much now i agree, but to say there is no local rivalry at all isn't accurate.
Really? I don't remember it that way at all. What I remember from the Wolves fans I know was that one day they decided that West Brom were too small to care about and suddenly Villa were their 'real' local rivals and they were the new "king of the midlands". Most Villa fans were pretty ambivalent to it all and mostly were worrying about relegation (and later getting promoted). I can't recall anyone on here or elsewhere deciding it was a big derby, just a game we wanted to win to shut them up more than anything.
Dunno i remember being lower North (cells area they call it now) for the 4-1 win Chester , Grabban etc scored , there was lots of rivalry / banter "mind the gap" etc etc .
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For some Villa fans a game against Wolves is a big deal, especially those in the black country. It's certainly more of a game to a lot than if it was say Ipswich or Brentford.
Yes, but that's in the same way that a game against Newcastle would be massive to a Villa fan in the North-East, there will always be some people who have their own reason to see a game as important but as a club I thinkour 2 real rivals are Blues and Baggies and they're probably about even, with anyone else a long way behind. I honestly wouldn't be suprised if there were more people that hate Man Utd, Liverpool, etc than Wolves.
I can accept the point that Wolves was probably a massive rivalry in the past but I think them pottering around in the lower leagues for most of the 80s and 90s means that for a huge part of the fan base they were utterly irrelevant.
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For some Villa fans a game against Wolves is a big deal, especially those in the black country. It's certainly more of a game to a lot than if it was say Ipswich or Brentford.
Yes, but that's in the same way that a game against Newcastle would be massive to a Villa fan in the North-East, there will always be some people who have their own reason to see a game as important but as a club I thinkour 2 real rivals are Blues and Baggies and they're probably about even, with anyone else a long way behind. I honestly wouldn't be suprised if there were more people that hate Man Utd, Liverpool, etc than Wolves.
I can accept the point that Wolves was probably a massive rivalry in the past but I think them pottering around in the lower leagues for most of the 80s and 90s means that for a huge part of the fan base they were utterly irrelevant.
Loads of Villa fans live in the black country / wolverhampton though so the local rivalry exists though not as big as Small Heath / Smethwick
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There's way more Villa fans in the black country though. There is a rivalry with them, not on the level of sha or Albion but it's there. It's why we have a 2000 post thread about them and not Norwich or West Ham.
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For some Villa fans a game against Wolves is a big deal, especially those in the black country. It's certainly more of a game to a lot than if it was say Ipswich or Brentford.
Yes, but that's in the same way that a game against Newcastle would be massive to a Villa fan in the North-East, there will always be some people who have their own reason to see a game as important but as a club I thinkour 2 real rivals are Blues and Baggies and they're probably about even, with anyone else a long way behind. I honestly wouldn't be suprised if there were more people that hate Man Utd, Liverpool, etc than Wolves.
I can accept the point that Wolves was probably a massive rivalry in the past but I think them pottering around in the lower leagues for most of the 80s and 90s means that for a huge part of the fan base they were utterly irrelevant.
Loads of Villa fans live in the black country / wolverhampton though so the local rivalry exists though not as big as Small Heath / Smethwick
That's kinda my point though, If Wolves get relegated and stay down in the Championship for a few years most Villa fans won't give them a second thought and most Wolves fans will quickly revert to hating the Baggies. Any rivalry in the last decade or so has been almost entirely fueled by their fans thinknig they were suddenly the big dog in the midlands.
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There's way more Villa fans in the black country though. There is a rivalry with them, not on the level of sha or Albion but it's there. It's why we have a 2000 post thread about them and not Norwich or West Ham.
Would that thread have existed 20 years ago though?
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That it exists now is the important bit.
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There's way more Villa fans in the black country though. There is a rivalry with them, not on the level of sha or Albion but it's there. It's why we have a 2000 post thread about them and not Norwich or West Ham.
I'm from the Black Country. There are loads more Villa than Small Heath, I only met 1 growing up.
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I remember big cup games against Wolves in 80s and 90s with lots of Wolves fans around the ground and a loud atmosphere but then there were always loud atmospheres against Coventry despite most Birmingham based Villa fans claiming that isn’t a rivalry.
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We have no local rivals.
We have one of the moodiest and nastiest derbies in the country with Small Heath. We have one several notches down the scale with the Albion. We have one of curious amusement at the Coventry of the west. After they last beat us the a couple of seasons back at the Molineux, the streets resembled Buenos Aires after a world cup victory. We'll walk back home tomorrow after doing them with no more or less spring in our step than after we'd beat an Everton or a Tottenham.
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That it exists now is the important bit.
Maybe, but the vast majority of it is us taking the piss because they thought they were going to become champions league regulars rather than any real rivalry from our side. It's far more reactive than you'd expect from a real rivalry.
As Ads says I struggle to see Baggies and Blues as real rivals but I'll accept both of them because it's been there consistently for as long as most people can remember. Put it another way, when was the last time Villa started a chant about Wolves when we weren't playing them?
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The Black Country Villa at the table next to me in McCarthys on Tuesday night after the game started singing Mind The Gap, as they did in the Aussie place in Lille in April.
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Always hate this fixture. No matter what the tables look like we nearly always seem to struggle against them, with one or two exceptions.
Expect them to cope with their midweek exertions better than us.
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It was our easiest home game last season.
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I remember big cup games against Wolves in 80s and 90s with lots of Wolves fans around the ground and a loud atmosphere but then there were always loud atmospheres against Coventry despite most Birmingham based Villa fans claiming that isn’t a rivalry.
Coventry would always be one of the lowest gates of the season along with the likes of Wimbledon and Luton.
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It was our easiest home game last season.
It really wasn't
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That it exists now is the important bit.
It also existed in the 70's and 80's
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It was our easiest home game last season.
It really wasn't
It was a total stroll. Sheffield United and Burnley gave us a harder time. Levico is chatting his usual shite.
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It was our easiest home game last season.
It really wasn't
It was a total stroll. Sheffield United and Burnley gave us a harder time. Levico is chatting his usual shite.
Everton 4-0 was a stroll. Luton H was a stroll, as was Bournemouth. Brighton 6-1 ?
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These tramps don’t have the players they’ve had in recent years. And that scrotum Gary O’Neil doesn’t have enough ability to get more of a tune out of what he has. They’re a bit shit as the season has so far proven. If they weren’t called Wolves some would worry less about this game. I expect us to win if we play to our ability and not make stupid defensive errors which we can be capable of. The league table will look rather nice come 5pm Saturday.
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Growing up in Telford in the late 80s/early 90s there seemed to be (ignoring the random Liverpool/Everton/Man Utd/Spurs people who aren't worth bothering with) more Villa than Wolves because they were in their death throes. From the few occasions I've been unlucky enough to return, I think they're more dominant now, so it's probably a big deal there. Here in my in-laws' village further south, it's probably 50/50 (again, ignoring the dick teams), but I wouldn't expect any aggro were I to celebrate a goal in the local (which I won't be doing because the football gods/state of the local).
It means more here, but not a lot more.
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Edgy win against a team that we always seem to find awkward as fuck to play against.
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It was our easiest home game last season.
It really wasn't
It was a total stroll. Sheffield United and Burnley gave us a harder time. Levico is chatting his usual shite.
It was as routine a home win as you're ever likely to see.
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It was our easiest home game last season.
It really wasn't
It was a total stroll. Sheffield United and Burnley gave us a harder time. Levico is chatting his usual shite.
It was as routine a home win as you're ever likely to see.
Yep. Memorable only for Rogers treating half the Wolves team like a bunch of small children being ragdolled.
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We have no local rivals.
We have one of the moodiest and nastiest derbies in the country with Small Heath. We have one several notches down the scale with the Albion. We have one of curious amusement at the Coventry of the west. After they last beat us the a couple of seasons back at the Molineux, the streets resembled Buenos Aires after a world cup victory. We'll walk back home tomorrow after doing them with no more or less spring in our step than after we'd beat an Everton or a Tottenham.
It's odd really, we have a lot of clubs that seem to dislike us, Leeds and Newcastle of late too, yet there's no real basis for it.
We've no direct rivals, as we're pushing on and leaving anyone within 80 miles behind us; if you think about success, and being regarded as one of the top sides, we're not there yet in most people's eyes, however, that's changing and we will be filling a big gap between Manchester and London quite nicely.
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It was our easiest home game last season.
It really wasn't
It was a total stroll. Sheffield United and Burnley gave us a harder time. Levico is chatting his usual shite.
It was as routine a home win as you're ever likely to see.
Yep. Memorable only for Rogers treating half the Wolves team like a bunch of small children being ragdolled.
I'd forgotten that it was the first real sighting of Rogers in 'Jonah Lomu' mode.
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We've no direct rivals, as we're pushing on and leaving anyone within 80 miles behind us; if you think about success, and being regarded as one of the top sides, we're not there yet in most people's eyes, however, that's changing and we will be filling a big gap between Manchester and London quite nicely.
Historically we’ve been the dominant Club in the Midlands but there is antagonism because we draw support from across the Midlands.
Seen huge Villa followings at Highfield Road and Molineux.
Given the modern hype it’s ironic it’s Blues we’ve historically cared about the least.
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It was our easiest home game last season.
It really wasn't
It was a total stroll. Sheffield United and Burnley gave us a harder time. Levico is chatting his usual shite.
It was as routine a home win as you're ever likely to see.
Yep. Memorable only for Rogers treating half the Wolves team like a bunch of small children being ragdolled.
It was a nothing game , tetchy derby , they shaded possession and had more shots than us . We had easier home games last season .
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I think that's disingenuous, as derbies as they are, took the path they did around the late 60s/70s before being really solidified in the evil stage of football in the 80s.
Rivalries existed and have done since the beginning. The Stripeys wanting to avoid the train back past Villa Park with the Cup they wouldn't be winning- but that's sporting pettiness and competing. That will ebb and flow.
Fans increased sense of tribalism and singular identify, that can often be manifested violently, correlates quite neatly with the rise of Small Heath as our most loathed neighbours. There's people old enough to post on here who would have visited B9 one week and B6 the next. That's utterly unthinkable from the 70s/80s onwards.
Small Heath is our derby. They've never, ever been our rivals.
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It was our easiest home game last season.
It really wasn't
It was a total stroll. Sheffield United and Burnley gave us a harder time. Levico is chatting his usual shite.
It was as routine a home win as you're ever likely to see.
Yep. Memorable only for Rogers treating half the Wolves team like a bunch of small children being ragdolled.
It was a nothing game , tetchy derby , they shaded possession and had more shots than us . We had easier home games last season .
Absolute bollocks as ever Coops. It was a total stroll and they didn't lay a glove on us. As routine a win as came all season at home.
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For some Villa fans a game against Wolves is a big deal, especially those in the black country. It's certainly more of a game to a lot than if it was say Ipswich or Brentford.
Precisely, it depends upon where you reside. For me it’s a big game and I’ll be starting the wind up’s with the Wolves landlord of my local very shortly.
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Still a few hundred tickets left - A5 must have about 200 available.
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I was looking earlier and whilst the majority of seats were singles there were a couple of areas where there were a couple of blocks where you could get multiple seats together. At Chris Heck prices obviously.
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60 normal seats left. Balance are pint glasses and martini glass tickets. Probably 150 of them. Then loads on A5.very odd.
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That’s gone down massively this morning then.
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I seem to recall the Wolves game we were a bit under par first half, and a lot better second. I think that might have been the match that sealed Moreno's fate with us, as I seem to recall he was very poor that day.
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All about history for me, so the Albion game is our “proper” derby. We played each other 30 times before 1900 - including 3 FA cup finals. That’s incredible. We played Blues just 5 times in that period.
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I'm just not that bothered about hating a bus stop in Sandwell over events that occurred 125 years+ ago.
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I'm just not that bothered about hating a bus stop in Sandwell over events that occurred 125 years+ ago.
That’s fair enough, there’s room enough for all opinions on this.
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I'm just not that bothered about hating a bus stop in Sandwell over events that occurred 125 years+ ago.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but aren't yuou from over that way more so? Quinton way? I'd have thought if that was the case they'd be more on your radar.
More likely to see a wild bear than an Albion fan over my way.
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I'm just not that bothered about hating a bus stop in Sandwell over events that occurred 125 years+ ago.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but aren't yuou from over that way more so? Quinton way? I'd have thought if that was the case they'd be more on your radar.
More likely to see a wild bear than an Albion fan over my way.
I am originally yeah. My school was 50/50 Villa and Albion, load of my mates are Albion. I just spent most of my time feeling a bit sorry for them because they're shite.
After the 1890s, they've done what? Finished 3rd 40 odd years ago where they celebrate putting 5 past Man United. They knew what they bin about a decade ago. They're just a wanky nothing club, albeit there is something in it on the odd ocassion we play them which I'm happy to get caught up in, the Hi-Tec wearing scruffs that they are.
Only a handful of Noses, but I fucking detest them, even if I've barely paid any attention to them for years. Never a rival, but our derby.
Edit: worth a mention, we are and always will be the unit of measurement for any of the shadow dwelling minnows who occupy the Midlands with us. It's never, ever the other way round and it never will be.
Our current rivals are Tottenham and Man United.
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All about history for me, so the Albion game is our “proper” derby. We played each other 30 times before 1900 - including 3 FA cup finals. That’s incredible. We played Blues just 5 times in that period.
Yes this!
Albion was the real rivalry. Certainly throughout my dad’s life.
The Blues thing was mainly contrived by Evening Mail in the 60s to suit their circulation. Even as late as 81 the Albion was the bigger match in the Championship season!
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That's the point, isn't it? Our local rivals' single raison d'être is to be better than the Villa, which is also our own. We should all get along really.
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I'm just not that bothered about hating a bus stop in Sandwell over events that occurred 125 years+ ago.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but aren't yuou from over that way more so? Quinton way? I'd have thought if that was the case they'd be more on your radar.
More likely to see a wild bear than an Albion fan over my way.
I am originally yeah. My school was 50/50 Villa and Albion, load of my mates are Albion. I just spent most of my time feeling a bit sorry for them because they're shite.
After the 1890s, they've done what? Finished 3rd 40 odd years ago where they celebrate putting 5 past Man United. They knew what they bin about a decade ago. They're just a wanky nothing club, albeit there is something in it on the odd ocassion we play them which I'm happy to get caught up in, the Hi-Tec wearing scruffs that they are.
Only a handful of Noses, but I fucking detest them, even if I've barely paid any attention to them for years. Never a rival, but our derby.
Edit: worth a mention, we are and always will be the unit of measurement for any of the shadow dwelling minnows who occupy the Midlands with us. It's never, ever the other way round and it never will be.
Our current rivals are Tottenham and Man United.
I'm the same with the rags largely, I've a few really good mates down the years that are noses and it's pity rather than anger that they invoke.
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Just because a team isnt a local rivalry to one Villa fan doesn't mean it isnt to loads of others. Albion have always been local rivals, games against them were big ones and my hatred started as a young un late 70s, early 80s and still exists. As it probably does for anyone that was at the Cropley game and their chants about him in later games. Stripey bitter wankers.
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Rivalry implies there's a competitive element. That's barely existed for any sustained period in over 125 years. We have no local rivals. Local dreamers perhaps, but not rivals.
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Rival - a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity:
"he has no serious rival for the job" · "gun battles between rival gangs"
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Rivalry or not, a resounding chant of Wanky, Wanky Wanderers from within the ground will clear the vocal chords and add to my armchair amusement. I'm sure Gary would approve.
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Emery on Watkins' fitness: "He’s available 100 per cent to play. He had some problems, like other players, but not relevant. He’s now available tomorrow 100 per cent to play."
On Wolves: "Our experience is that every game is difficult. You have to respect every team and if you want to win you have to focus on the match. They played very well here, they compete very well and it's the same coach. Tomorrow is going to be a very difficult match."
Emery also provided an update on Boubacar and Tyrone: "Kamara and Mings are training every day now consistently with the team, they started this week.
"It’s very good news."
Unai on Jhon Duran: "He is close to playing in the starting eleven and he has to understand as well in his process how he can manage to play with Ollie Watkins. But of course, I am very happy with how he has started this season."
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Haven’t seen Unai’s interview but was there any new on Bailey?
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Why aren't Pravda uploading the pressers any more?
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They are, every week.
Here's the Wolves one:
https://www.avfc.co.uk/video/52d2b35e-200a-4656-b20f-447ea862896e
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Ta, not sure why I couldn't see it.
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Re rivalry, Wulves were never that far up my personal priority list. As a kid, it was always SHA and the Bitters as local rivals; the former very much No.1 because I was living 'behind enemy lines'. After I moved out of the area (for work reasons) RedManc have become probably my most disliked rival-team, with the Bitters being more prominent as well.
Having said that, I find it hard to speak well of any other large-ish club!
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Albion at home tomorrow too. The Stourbridge line could be fun
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Albion at home tomorrow too. The Stourbridge line could be fun
West Midlands finest will be run ragged
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Growing up in Ward End, ( what a close call to , worlds end} the Blues always were the real rivals.
From school to town if there were any disagreements it was with them.
As for the Albion, they were a novelty, close but no cigar.
Wolves, They were from a different country and had no relevance in any discussion other than Derick Dougan once played for us and that Billy Wright shagged a Beverly sister, or was it 2 ?
They seem to have a spell on us for the last few seasons.
Time to exorcize it tomorrow 4-1 be course we don't do clean sheets.
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Growing up in Ward End, ( what a close call to , worlds end} the Blues always were the real rivals.
From school to town if there were any disagreements it was with them.
As for the Albion, they were a novelty, close but no cigar.
Wolves, They were from a different country and had no relevance in any discussion other than Derick Dougan once played for us and that Billy Wright shagged a Beverly sister, or was it 2 ?
They seem to have a spell on us for the last few seasons.
Time to exorcize it tomorrow 4-1 be course we don't do clean sheets.
Agree....growing up in East Brum it was Blues or Villa.....Wolves and Albion seemed a world away.
Anyway let's send these double denim dingles home on the rattler with their party 7's and nil points
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It has been a fascinating pre-match discussion. I am now pumped up for 3 pm BST.
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Here comes my tears
come on villa.
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