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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on September 17, 2024, 07:43:42 PM
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Wasn't too bad. And a mythical clean sheet.
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Loved the fact the Young Boys keeper had his initials on his gloves… DVB
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Nice job. Comfortable. Should be 5-0. Piece of piss this Champions League.
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Wasn't too bad. And a mythical clean sheet.
Agreed. I celebrate a nil on our side as much as a goal
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Top of the league thanks to a late goal by PSV (Although as ours were away goals we probably would have been anyway).
Should have been 4 if not 5 though.
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Proud as punch. We looked like we belong at this level (opposition notwithstanding) and much more comfortable away in Europe than we did in the Conference League.
We are going to give a good account of ourselves in this competition
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Very good once we settled.
JD’s finish for the disallowed goal was just top drawer.
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Dress like Scotland, play like Scotland!
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For Gary.
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Great start to the tournament. Thanks to PWS for doing the work on match and post-match threads. Good job!
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Only caught second half, absolutely destroyed them. Some start to CL football. Strong all over the pitch, Duran looked elite level and Carlos also strong at the back.
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Should have been 5-0. Yes, they're one of the weakest sides in the league, but you still have to put in a performance, and bar the first 20 minutes when it seemed we couldn't get to grips with the pitch, we dominated completely.
Lots of great performances, but I thought Tielemens was imperious. There'll be a few nervous viewers in Munich tonight, that's for sure...
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That will do nicely. Our midfield looked great tonight.
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Great angle of the panda finish
https://x.com/scrapytweets/status/1836110851402526941
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Poor opposition but can only do the job with whats in front of you. 6 or 7 wouldn't have flattered us.
Any chance Duran gets his yellow card rescinded? As the play should have been stopped for the handball he shouldn't have had the chance to be booked for his celebration
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That’s one for you Gary.
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Great start to the tournament. Thanks to PWS for doing the work on match and post-match threads. Good job!
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Perfection.
Should have been 5.
And a clean sheet !!!!!!!!
So many stand out performances, but Tielemans was just magnificent. Utterly magnificent.
Congratulations Villa.
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Poor opposition but can only do the job with whats in front of you. 6 or 7 wouldn't have flattered us.
Any chance Duran gets his yellow card rescinded? As the play should have been stopped for the handball he shouldn't have had the chance to be booked for his celebration
I think the circumstances regarding inciting the crowd is irrelevant.
He should not have done it.
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Great start, great win, fitting tribute to a Villa legend
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Great start to the tournament. Thanks to PWS for doing the work on match and post-match threads. Good job!
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FFS, give it a rest will you? Take it to PM or something because you're embarrassing yourselves.
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Any chance Duran gets his yellow card rescinded?
None at all.
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Great start to the tournament. Thanks to PWS for doing the work on match and post-match threads. Good job!
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You were a bit slow on the reporting of goals but you tried. That is the main point.
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Brilliant performance. We belong.
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I didn't mention him on the thread. Maybe if he wasn't so think skinned he could take the suggestion from Dave, which i've tried to do.
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I can't believe Villa just won 3-0 away from home in the Champions League. It's like a different sport to how we used to be. What a night this has been.
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Poor opposition but can only do the job with whats in front of you. 6 or 7 wouldn't have flattered us.
Any chance Duran gets his yellow card rescinded? As the play should have been stopped for the handball he shouldn't have had the chance to be booked for his celebration
I think the circumstances regarding inciting the crowd is irrelevant.
He should not have done it.
No, he shouldn't.
Love it though !
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Excellent.
For Gary.
Munich at home will be some atmosphere....
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Stroll in the park.
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I didn't mention him on the thread. Maybe if he wasn't so think skinned he could take the suggestion from Dave, which i've tried to do.
People can see what you write and they will judge if it is correct or not. I am confident they will see through your slurs.
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Observations… great win we adapted to plastic pitch well once we got first goal. 1st goal scored by a player wearing Gary Shaw’s number 8. Why did they water a plastic pitch at half time? Why was Watkins goal dissalowed? How far back does VAR go to find a reason to dissalow Durans goal?
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The clean sheet, at last!!
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Really pissed off at the VAR decision for Watkins. Ah well 0-3 is a great result.
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I didn't mention him on the thread. Maybe if he wasn't so think skinned he could take the suggestion from Dave, which i've tried to do.
People can see what you write and they will judge if it is correct or not. I am confident they will see through your slurs.
Pack it in or have the night off.
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Observations… great win we adapted to plastic pitch well once we got first goal. 1st goal scored by a player wearing Gary Shaw’s number 8. Why did they water a plastic pitch at half time? Why was Watkins goal dissalowed? How far back does VAR go to find a reason to dissalow Durans goal?
so the players are less hesitant to slide on it.
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I didn't mention him on the thread. Maybe if he wasn't so think skinned he could take the suggestion from Dave, which i've tried to do.
People can see what you write and they will judge if it is correct or not. I am confident they will see through your slurs.
Pack it in or have the night off.
Just me?
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I’ll be honest if it was against us, given VAR exists and is used, I’d expect it to be pulled back for the handball.
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I didn't mention him on the thread. Maybe if he wasn't so think skinned he could take the suggestion from Dave, which i've tried to do.
People can see what you write and they will judge if it is correct or not. I am confident they will see through your slurs.
They can certainly see you've been banging on for over a year, that you act like a baby the second you get a fraction of what you dish out back, and are the most thin skinned hypocrite around. Maybe stop being such a weirdo stalker.
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Great result. A 3_0 victory away in Champions League. Wow.
Thanks Villa.
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Very good performance.
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Great win. The pitch was a bit of a leveller for the first 20 then we took over.
To get 3 points away from home in the first game and a clean sheet takes some pressure off.
UTV
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Can we go back to being shit and clueless. This controlled, quality football is not what we signed up for.
Tielemans..have already forgot lu.......the way he turns into space is outstanding
Roger...at times simply unplayable
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Easy this CL lark. UTFV
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Observations… great win we adapted to plastic pitch well once we got first goal. 1st goal scored by a player wearing Gary Shaw’s number 8. Why did they water a plastic pitch at half time? Why was Watkins goal dissalowed? How far back does VAR go to find a reason to dissalow Durans goal?
Don't forget the 41 for how long we have been missing from the competition (and a local lad to boot).
As for disallowed, slightest hand ball would rule it out (if he had passed and someone else scored it wouldn't have been a problem) and they might have used the snickometer in the ball like they did in the Euros. But Onana one no idea. Maybe if one of them had won the ball in the build-up it might have been classed as a new phase, but that was stupidly far back.
That finish though with the curve deserved the goal.
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Poor opposition but can only do the job with whats in front of you. 6 or 7 wouldn't have flattered us.
Any chance Duran gets his yellow card rescinded? As the play should have been stopped for the handball he shouldn't have had the chance to be booked for his celebration
Does anybody know how yellow cards work for this new format ? A certain amount in the group gets a ban ? Start afresh for the knockouts ?
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Excellent performance once we got used to the pitch, all 5 across the midfield were superb and completely controlled the game.
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We've got some extremely talented footballers now. Tielemans and Rogers to name but two, an absolute joy to watch.
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I didn't mention him on the thread. Maybe if he wasn't so think skinned he could take the suggestion from Dave, which i've tried to do.
People can see what you write and they will judge if it is correct or not. I am confident they will see through your slurs.
They can certainly see you've been banging on for over a year, that you act like a baby the second you get a fraction of what you dish out back, and are the most thin skinned hypocrite around. Maybe stop being such a weirdo stalker.
Haha! People read posts like this and make decisions about what is right and what is what.
Good night!
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Great start to the tournament. Thanks to PWS for doing the work on match and post-match threads. Good job!
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You were a bit slow on the reporting of goals but you tried. That is the main point.
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How does Kamara get back into this team with Tielemans and Onana looking a brilliant combination?
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Easy. We are a proper team these days and will give every team (and I mean every single one) a game in this league.
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Great angle of the panda finish
https://x.com/scrapytweets/status/1836110851402526941
What a player he is
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Empty seats at the San Siro tonight - never take this for granted!
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Brilliant performance, we absolutely cruised that and could have scored more. I got all teary when I heard the music before kick off thinking about Gary Shaw and some of the Villa players especially John McGinn looked teary.
After the first 15-20 minutes I thought it was total domination then again the opposition wern't up to much. No idea how Watkins goal was disallowed but overall just so happy with the result and performance.
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Our Captain was a little loose on passes occasionally. Not every ball has to be a defence splitting through-ball, but he more than made up for it in all other areas of play.
Referee was mostly fine. VAR and the officials were atrocious. I kind of understand the second goal being written off. But to screw up a substitution. The player we wanted to sub could have indicated he was carrying a niggle but had to continue.
I felt nothing with the “anthem” because it is an insignificant dirge, but loved us being in this competition.
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How does Kamara get back into this team with Tielemans and Onana looking a brilliant combination?
The strength in depth is incredible now and there will be opportunities for everyone.
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The sub thing was really poor. The VAR call on the second was fair enough, if annoying.
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Great start. Thought the first goal got us going and there was only one outcome after that.
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Pat Nevin on BBC:
I hope people don't underestimate it [Aston Villa]s result] - it's a tough place to come.
You need to have the right attitude and you need to be clever about it. Some brilliant performances, Rogers fantastic, Duran made a difference, Watkins looked sharp, Ramsey as well. Onana, what a goal.
All the way through the team you are thinking well done.
A very grown-up and mature performance all round.
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Just been allowed to walkout, on bus into town. Great day so far.
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I get the celebration posts for a goal and then it goes to VAR is to be expected, but why post ‘it’s given’ when clearly it wasn’t. Just like the ghost goal last week, why do people post incorrect scores for a wind up. It ain’t funny.
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For a number of reasons it was really important we made a strong start and we’ve really delivered that. Away games in Europe are generally tough, to score a few goals and keep a clean sheet is massive.
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Poor opposition but can only do the job with whats in front of you. 6 or 7 wouldn't have flattered us.
Any chance Duran gets his yellow card rescinded? As the play should have been stopped for the handball he shouldn't have had the chance to be booked for his celebration
Does anybody know how yellow cards work for this new format ? A certain amount in the group gets a ban ? Start afresh for the knockouts ?
3 yellows in the League Phase and beyond is a suspension, and then 5 yellows is another one, 7 another one.
I don't think cards get wiped after the league phase.
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It reminded me of a pre season game.
3.0 (should have 4. Or 7 if we had of got our shooting boots on)
The pitch was lovely.
Bring on Bayern.
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€2.1m prize money in the kitty for our win tonight.
Kerrrchinnng!
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I get the celebration posts for a goal and then it goes to VAR is to be expected, but why post ‘it’s given’ when clearly it wasn’t. Just like the ghost goal last week, why do people post incorrect scores for a wind up. It ain’t funny.
To be fair - watching on TNT, they kept the score as 0-3 after it kicked off again and only reverted to 0-2 after a minute or so.
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I think in the Europa League we were such favourites that every team sat in against us and we struggled to break a few of them down.
In this competition we’ll be seen as a team that our opposition have to pick up points against. Which will suit us better. And then we’ll show the fuckers!
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I get the celebration posts for a goal and then it goes to VAR is to be expected, but why post ‘it’s given’ when clearly it wasn’t. Just like the ghost goal last week, why do people post incorrect scores for a wind up. It ain’t funny.
If you're talking about the first disallowed goal, it looked as if it had been given as the score showed 0-3 for what seemed quite a while but was probably only about 5 seconds, after it had been disallowed. Add to that the fact that there is quite a time lapse depending on how the game is being watched.
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How does Kamara get back into this team with Tielemans and Onana looking a brilliant combination?
We'll need all of them for a long season, and the competition for places will drive them all on to be even better. Very exciting times
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I get the celebration posts for a goal and then it goes to VAR is to be expected, but why post ‘it’s given’ when clearly it wasn’t. Just like the ghost goal last week, why do people post incorrect scores for a wind up. It ain’t funny.
To be fair - watching on TNT, they kept the score as 0-3 after it kicked off again and only reverted to 0-2 after a minute or so.
Yep, there was a fair bit of confusion around it because even when it was disallowed no one could understand what they'd seen.
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Should have been 5-0. Yes, they're one of the weakest sides in the league, but you still have to put in a performance, and bar the first 20 minutes when it seemed we couldn't get to grips with the pitch, we dominated completely.
Lots of great performances, but I thought Tielemens was imperious. There'll be a few nervous viewers in Munich tonight, that's for sure...
Doubt there will be as with this format Munich are gonna win at least 5 games anyway …. Great start though. Thought we were as PL would have said, excellent.
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I get the celebration posts for a goal and then it goes to VAR is to be expected, but why post ‘it’s given’ when clearly it wasn’t. Just like the ghost goal last week, why do people post incorrect scores for a wind up. It ain’t funny.
I said it stands as that's what it seemed, then it finally became clear it hadn't stood. There was a lot of confusion over that one at first.
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These officials and VAR get everywhere!
From the BBC:
Harry Kane has fired Bayern Munich into a 1-0 lead against Dinamo Zagreb with a penalty.
Serge Gnabry thought he had given Bayern the lead but his goal was ruled out by the VAR for offside... but the VAR then spotted a foul on Aleksandar Pavlovic so awarded a spot-kick instead.
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Perfection.
Should have been 5.
And a clean sheet !!!!!!!!
So many stand out performances, but Tielemans was just magnificent. Utterly magnificent.
Congratulations Villa.
He was, and has been all season. Brilliant footballer.
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I can't believe Villa just won 3-0 away from home in the Champions League. It's like a different sport to how we used to be. What a night this has been.
Great comment! I could have imagined this five years ago, but it would have been like me imagining that I would be a multibillionaire in five years - possible, but improbable. It is like we have won the lottery! Long may it continue!
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Despite the officials and VAR trying their hardest to shaft us we relly dominated and impressed. Deserved winners
Very proud tonight and they made mr shaw proud.
Thought JJ was MOTM
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Perfection.
Should have been 5.
And a clean sheet !!!!!!!!
So many stand out performances, but Tielemans was just magnificent. Utterly magnificent.
Congratulations Villa.
He was, and has been all season. Brilliant footballer.
Yes he has been excellent.
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Despite the officials and VAR trying their hardest to shaft us we relly dominated and impressed. Deserved winners
Very proud tonight and they made mr shaw proud.
Thought JJ was MOTM
Thought the ref was fine mostly, one dodgy VAR call and one that was correct. I wouldn’t conclude there was some agenda against us.
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Its not Wrexham in the third division on.a Monday night, granted, but it'll do for now
Struggling to think of a better away performance in Europe.
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I remember making a comment on the 'other games' thread when we were thereabouts under fistface in the second division, Liverpool were playing Man City in Europe and I said they were playing a different sport to the one we watched every week. We're playing the same one now.
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Despite the officials and VAR trying their hardest to shaft us we relly dominated and impressed. Deserved winners
Very proud tonight and they made mr shaw proud.
Thought JJ was MOTM
Thought the ref was fine mostly, one dodgy VAR call and one that was correct. I wouldn’t conclude there was some agenda against us.
The second goal the hand ball was way before the goal. They should have stopped it ages before the goal.
Id also argue on first half two freekick given that were never freekicks. Thats four poor decisions against us
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Its not Wrexham in the third division on.a Monday night, granted, but it'll do for now
Struggling to think of a better away performance in Europe.
I think AZ was better tbh last year and they probably better than young boys
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Even more disappointing for me as I had a 6 up on build a bet and got the 5 right but I had Ollie to score!!
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Perfection.
Should have been 5.
And a clean sheet !!!!!!!!
So many stand out performances, but Tielemans was just magnificent. Utterly magnificent.
Congratulations Villa.
He was, and has been all season. Brilliant footballer.
Yes he has been excellent.
We got Youri on a free while Spurs paid Leicester £40m for the prick James Maddison.
I think we may have got the better deal.
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It was way before the goal, it’s still a handball and they got two debatable free-kicks - it’s hardly compelling evidence of an attempt to “shaft” us.
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It was way before the goal, it’s still a handball and they got two debatable free-kicks - it’s hardly compelling evidence of an attempt to “shaft” us.
If the game ended 2-2 you would be changing your tune. Lucky they were not very good and we were
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Despite the officials and VAR trying their hardest to shaft us we relly dominated and impressed. Deserved winners
Very proud tonight and they made mr shaw proud.
Thought JJ was MOTM
Thought the ref was fine mostly, one dodgy VAR call and one that was correct. I wouldn’t conclude there was some agenda against us.
The second goal the hand ball was way before the goal. They should have stopped it ages before the goal.
He applied the rules exactly as they're supposed to be applied.
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It was way before the goal, it’s still a handball and they got two debatable free-kicks - it’s hardly compelling evidence of an attempt to “shaft” us.
If the game ended 2-2 you would be changing your tune. Lucky they were not very good and we were
How do you get to 2-2?! That’s quite a leap and either way the score line doesn’t change the fact that handball call was correct.
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Despite the officials and VAR trying their hardest to shaft us we relly dominated and impressed. Deserved winners
Very proud tonight and they made mr shaw proud.
Thought JJ was MOTM
Thought the ref was fine mostly, one dodgy VAR call and one that was correct. I wouldn’t conclude there was some agenda against us.
The second goal the hand ball was way before the goal. They should have stopped it ages before the goal.
He applied the rules exactly as they're supposed to be applied.
So if that attack went on for 5 minutes then we scored. Goal should get disallowed for that handball?
It seems to be a ridiculous rule. There should be a time limit for this kind of thing
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Great angle of the panda finish
https://x.com/scrapytweets/status/1836110851402526941
I’ve been meaning to ask for a while. Why is he referred to as the panda on here. Have I missed something?
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Demetri, be honest if it were the other way round you’d be lauding the decision.
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The only sour note for the visitors was an apparent second-half injury to Watkins, who was spotted wearing an ice pack around his ankle after being replaced by Duran on the hour mark.
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The only sour note for the visitors was an apparent second-half injury to Watkins, who was spotted wearing an ice pack around his ankle after being replaced by Duran on the hour mark.
I assumed that is the injury he’s been nursing anyway. Hopefully not something else.
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It was way before the goal, it’s still a handball and they got two debatable free-kicks - it’s hardly compelling evidence of an attempt to “shaft” us.
If the game ended 2-2 you would be changing your tune. Lucky they were not very good and we were
How do you get to 2-2?! That’s quite a leap and either way the score line doesn’t change the fact that handball call was correct.
Yes. Very odd. Hallucinatory Discrimination.
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I remember making a comment on the 'other games' thread when we were thereabouts under fistface in the second division, Liverpool were playing Man City in Europe and I said they were playing a different sport to the one we watched every week. We're playing the same one now.
Great post. I had similar thoughts when we came back up and Man City funeralled us 6-1 at home. I didn't think we'd ever get to a similar level as them.
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Great start to the campaign. Thought we looked more assured tonight than we did in the away ties last season and it was a comfortable win. Still not sure about the decisions on both disallowed goals, but there you go.
I know it's one game, but I thought Onana had a good game tonight and brings something we have been missing in central midfield for some time.
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The only sour note for the visitors was an apparent second-half injury to Watkins, who was spotted wearing an ice pack around his ankle after being replaced by Duran on the hour mark.
I assumed that is the injury he’s been nursing anyway. Hopefully not something else.
I’d assume it was when the keeper absolutely belted him.
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€2.1m prize money in the kitty for our win tonight.
Kerrrchinnng!
Oh yeah, forgot about that!
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Just on the train back to Zurich.
Magnificent. Just magnificent.
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How do you get to 2-2?! That’s quite a leap and either way the score line doesn’t change the fact that handball call was correct.
I think there is a legitimate question to ask about how many phases of play can elapse before it's consigned to history. What if we'd passed it back to Martinez, then done our usual keep ball and 30 odd passes before getting it forward and scoring?
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Probably yeah, but what happened is quite different from that scenario.
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As much as how far it went back I can't work out how the ref didn't see the handball when it happened. I also agree with Demitri that he gave them some really soft free kicks early on. I don't think it was some great conspiracy, he was just a bit overwhelmed early on and then made a really bad mistake.
The only truly dodgy decision was the Watkins goal being disallowed. The only mitigation is if they did have the tech that detects the slightest of contact with the ball but even still it's a tough call against us.
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Isn't it the case anyway that accidental handball by a team mate shouldn't lead to a goal being ruled out? Or are they arguing that it was deliberate by Onana?
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How do you get to 2-2?! That’s quite a leap and either way the score line doesn’t change the fact that handball call was correct.
I think there is a legitimate question to ask about how many phases of play can elapse before it's consigned to history. What if we'd passed it back to Martinez, then done our usual keep ball and 30 odd passes before getting it forward and scoring?
There is, but in this case he won the ball, controlled it with his hand and twenty seconds later the ball was in the net.
So this particular example isn't the evidence for the need for the legitimate question to be raised.
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For a number of reasons it was really important we made a strong start and we’ve really delivered that. Away games in Europe are generally tough, to score a few goals and keep a clean sheet is massive.
They had a corner on or about 90 minutes and I didn’t care about 3-0 all I cared about was not conceding. It’s important.
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Isn't it the case anyway that accidental handball by a team mate shouldn't lead to a goal being ruled out? Or are they arguing that it was deliberate by Onana?
This was my point, it wasn't deliberate, and given how far back it was you've got to disregard it.
They were fucking idiots, thankfully we're so good now it doesn't matter.
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As much as how far it went back I can't work out how the ref didn't see the handball when it happened. I also agree with Demitri that he gave them some really soft free kicks early on. I don't think it was some great conspiracy, he was just a bit overwhelmed early on and then made a really bad mistake.
The only truly dodgy decision was the Watkins goal being disallowed. The only mitigation is if they did have the tech that detects the slightest of contact with the ball but even still it's a tough call against us.
Thats what i was getting it. The ref wasnt very good tonight esp first half for me.
I think the duran goal getting chalked off was harsh as no time limit is taken into consideration. Think the rules need to be clearer on how long you can take a a decision back by.
As for munich i was just saying i expect we wont get many decisions go our way. You can bet if kane the dover dives they get a pen. That arsehole has a habit of doing that against us
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If that JD goal had been given against us I’d be absolutely livid. Anyway, all’s well that ends well. Magnificent return to the big time.
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Great performance overall. Bit of a dodgy start but grew into the game and became totally dominant.
Tielemans was superb and controlled the game, Ramsey and Rogers offered options carrying the ball although the latter still needs to improve his decision making.
I thought the decision to disallow Duran’s goal was correct, what a great finish though but what was he booked for?
Watkins can feel hard done by to have his chalked off.
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Demetri, be honest if it were the other way round you’d be lauding the decision.
I might be to be honest paul
I just feel there needs to be clarification on the rules on how back a decision can go. As it seems to be a grey area
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As much as how far it went back I can't work out how the ref didn't see the handball when it happened. I also agree with Demitri that he gave them some really soft free kicks early on. I don't think it was some great conspiracy, he was just a bit overwhelmed early on and then made a really bad mistake.
The only truly dodgy decision was the Watkins goal being disallowed. The only mitigation is if they did have the tech that detects the slightest of contact with the ball but even still it's a tough call against us.
Thats what i was getting it. The ref wasnt very good tonight esp first half for me.
I think the duran goal getting chalked off was harsh as no time limit is taken into consideration. Think the rules need to be clearer on how long you can take a a decision back by.
As for munich i was just saying i expect we wont get many decisions go our way. You can bet if kane the dover dives they get a pen. That arsehole has a habit of doing that against us
You’re slightly revised history though. You said they tried to “shaft” us and that we won’t get any decisions against Bayern because they want them in the final. You can surely see that’s a bit different to stating there were some contentious decisions.
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As much as how far it went back I can't work out how the ref didn't see the handball when it happened. I also agree with Demitri that he gave them some really soft free kicks early on. I don't think it was some great conspiracy, he was just a bit overwhelmed early on and then made a really bad mistake.
The only truly dodgy decision was the Watkins goal being disallowed. The only mitigation is if they did have the tech that detects the slightest of contact with the ball but even still it's a tough call against us.
Thats what i was getting it. The ref wasnt very good tonight esp first half for me.
I think the duran goal getting chalked off was harsh as no time limit is taken into consideration. Think the rules need to be clearer on how long you can take a a decision back by.
As for munich i was just saying i expect we wont get many decisions go our way. You can bet if kane the dover dives they get a pen. That arsehole has a habit of doing that against us
You’re slightly revised history though. You said they tried to “shaft” us and that we won’t get any decisions against Bayern because they want them in the final. You can surely see that’s a bit different to stating there were some contentious decisions.
Well when i see a string of poor decisions go against us thats what it feels like. I mean the Watkins one was a disgrace
As foe munich lets wait and see in two weeks. I am going to say we get afew poor decisions go against us. No guessing that rat kane will be involved somehow should that be the case!
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I thought the handball rule was if it led directly to a goal (as was supposedly the case with Watkins) then the goal was disallowed. So Duran's goal should have stood & I've seen nothing that shows Watkins was handball either.
English teams get feck all in Europe.
Anyway we were brilliant.
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Any post-match interviews anywhere? - I'd like to know if Oli did touch the ball with his hand.
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It is odd that a handball in your own half, not spotted by the ref, three passes prior and a good few seconds before a goal can be used as a reason to disallow a goal.
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These officials and VAR get everywhere!
From the BBC:
Harry Kane has fired Bayern Munich into a 1-0 lead against Dinamo Zagreb with a penalty.
Serge Gnabry thought he had given Bayern the lead but his goal was ruled out by the VAR for offside... but the VAR then spotted a foul on Aleksandar Pavlovic so awarded a spot-kick instead.
This is why it’s bullshit. This happened to us against Man U a couple of years ago. They should only get to check for one thing, not search footage to ping teams on.
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These officials and VAR get everywhere!
From the BBC:
Harry Kane has fired Bayern Munich into a 1-0 lead against Dinamo Zagreb with a penalty.
Serge Gnabry thought he had given Bayern the lead but his goal was ruled out by the VAR for offside... but the VAR then spotted a foul on Aleksandar Pavlovic so awarded a spot-kick instead.
This is why it’s bullshit. This happened to us against Man U a couple of years ago. They should only get to check for one thing, not search footage to ping teams on.
They do this for the bigger sides alot. Manure benefit from this massively
Munich dont look great at the back tbh if we play well our attacking players can cause them some problems.
We certainly need to be good defensively. I know its a long shot but many kamara or mings would be ideal for that game esp mings for his physicality
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It is odd that a handball in your own half, not spotted by the ref, three passes prior and a good few seconds before a goal can be used as a reason to disallow a goal.
I think it’s odd that a ball dropping off a players chest that may or may not have brushed his hand, it’s inconclusive from the replays, gets disallowed yet a blatant handball, not that it was intentional, doesn’t get chalked off by the VAR but gets chalked off by the ref once he’s looked at the pitch side tv.
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Maybe there's an angle we haven't seen?
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Oli is the sort of character to say if it did, or didn't, in the post-match interview.
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Refs lean towards big sides Bruce admitted as much as he played for Man Utd
Call it what you want but it happens not all the time but enough to make a difference
Remember that time at Old Trafford in the FA cup when we equalised they went back so far and found that JJ ran into someone and disallowed it
No way would that have happened the other way around, no way and I don’t care what anyone thinks
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In the euros there was some sort of chip in the ball that could detect the slightest contacts (snicko style). Does the VAR portacabin have access to that technology?
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They went so far back in that FA Cup game they disallowed it for a foul by John Gidman on Brian Greenhoff.
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They went so far back in that FA Cup game they disallowed it for a foul by John Gidman on Brian Greenhoff.
Ha ha
Then we sold Gidman to them
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Under the current laws, the Panda goal was always going to be disallowed.
Not sure why the Ref went to the screen for that one and not for the Ollie one.
If he had, the Ref may have stuck with his decision and allowed the goal
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Under the current laws, the Panda goal was always going to be disallowed.
Not sure why the Ref went to the screen for that one and not for the Ollie one.
If he had, the Ref may have stuck with his decision and allowed the goal
Under the current rules, the goal should have stood. Accidental hand ball by a team mate does NOT result in a goal being disallowed. And it clearly is an accident as you can see him moving his leg to try to get the to the ball, but it hits his hand first.
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Love that McGinn interview, but how classy is our Guvnor. The first thing he mentions post match is Gary Shaw, he’s the business.
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Love unai ❤️
He really is the messiah
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As an aside I think it’s bizarre the rules cover whether it’s accidental or not. Trying to assess that is always going to be difficult, unless it’s like Suarez in the World Cup. It should really be whether it created an advantage or not, and whether it was avoidable. I realise there’s still subjectivity to that, but it’s less murky than trying to read someone’s intention.
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Under the current laws, the Panda goal was always going to be disallowed.
Not sure why the Ref went to the screen for that one and not for the Ollie one.
If he had, the Ref may have stuck with his decision and allowed the goal
Because it is subjective. Any handball by the scorer is definitive (although how they called Ollies needs to be clarified as it certainly wasn't obvious on most replays). But as Onana didn't score it, it needed the ref to then decide it if it was accidental or not. I'm guessing it was called on the arm being so high and "not natural". For it going our way on both decision types, look at Arsenal home for goal scoring handball and West Ham away for the Ref being sent to the screen when Soucek pushed it into Bowens path.
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Probably yeah, but what happened is quite different from that scenario.
I thought accidental handball in the lead up to the goal was allowed, but not in the actual act of scoring.. Was it perhaps deemed deliberate?
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As an aside I think it’s bizarre the rules cover whether it’s accidental or not. Trying to assess that is always going to be difficult, unless it’s like Suarez in the World Cup. It should really be whether it created an advantage or not, and whether it was avoidable. I realise there’s still subjectivity to that, but it’s less murky than trying to read someone’s intention.
This is sort of my argument- the rules are vague and difficult to understand. Need to keep it simple so we know what they are
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It is odd that a handball in your own half, not spotted by the ref, three passes prior and a good few seconds before a goal can be used as a reason to disallow a goal.
A clear and obvious error? I don't know. VAR was a mess this evening. The Watkins goal should have stood.
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I doubt anyone would have had an issue if the ref had blown staright away for the Onana handball, it was a clear one. I'm still far from convinced about Ollie's.
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I called the Onana handball immediately and I suppose these days given it was 10 seconds before the goal it was an easy decision for the officials. The Watkins decision was crap though, as there is no clear evidence he handled from any angle.
Im really pleased we looked so much better than most of our away games last season - a great return to the European cup and chuffed we won the day after Gary Shaw’s death.
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Probably yeah, but what happened is quite different from that scenario.
I thought accidental handball in the lead up to the goal was allowed, but not in the actual act of scoring.. Was it perhaps deemed deliberate?
The ref must have decided his hand / arm was in an un-natural position as it was high up. So not deliberate/ but less accidental then they would like?
I'm just wondering when they decide a decision 20 seconds and 7 touches earlier in the play needs to be called back? Afterall if a through ball is offside but not called on the field which leads to a corner someone scores from, they don't go back to the offside.
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Guillem Balague
@GuillemBalague
How impressive was that performance from #AVFC!
It felt like the kind of game a mature team with dozens of games in the top European competition would have
There was control, order, attack with intent, reaction after losing the ball, good solid individual performances...
Brilliant!
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I doubt we'd be happy if this wasn't given as a handball against us.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXsu-cDW0AAM4mP?format=jpg&name=small)
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I’ve had a great night for my birthday, a little drunk and great result. Up the Villa 😊
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I doubt we'd be happy if this wasn't given as a handball against us.
I would have been fine with it being called back if that was 5 seconds and 2 passes from goal. I would just like consistency on them deciding when something in the build-up is too far back to call. For example if Onana had done that outside the area, the ref then blew for a freekick and we scored from that, the handball would have been ignored. We went 20 seconds, 7 passes and 4 other players touching the ball after the handball. If we had done one of our traditional 16-20 pass moves, would they have still called it?
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Wobbly first 20 but a breeze after that. Watkins disallowed goal was bullshit, Duran one more understandable but a pity after a great finish. Bring on Bayern.
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Wobbly first 20 but a breeze after that. Watkins disallowed goal was bullshit, Duran one more understandable but a pity after a great finish. Bring on Bayern.
It wasn't just the finish, it was the build up play from him beforehand. Channelling Shaw through out it.
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Refs lean towards big sides Bruce admitted as much as he played for Man Utd
Call it what you want but it happens not all the time but enough to make a difference
Remember that time at Old Trafford in the FA cup when we equalised they went back so far and found that JJ ran into someone and disallowed it
No way would that have happened the other way around, no way and I don’t care what anyone thinks
So how does all that relate to what happened tonight?
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I’ve had a great night for my birthday, a little drunk and great result. Up the Villa 😊
Happy birthday Karlos96.
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I’ve had a great night for my birthday, a little drunk and great result. Up the Villa 😊
Happy birthday Karlos96.
Thanks mate.
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Great professional job done , navigated the pitch , aggressive pub players and weird referee . Very pleased , get out of there and we go again . Emery managing the game superbly from the touchline . Well done all, fans great too.
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I’ve had a great night for my birthday, a little drunk and great result. Up the Villa 😊
Happy birthday Karlos96.
Thanks mate.
Let me guess you were born on 17th September 1996?!
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Delighted to see McGinn talk about Gary Shaw unprompted. Well done Meatball, he's always been a great ambassador for us.
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I’ve had a great night for my birthday, a little drunk and great result. Up the Villa 😊
Happy birthday Karlos96.
Thanks mate.
Let me guess you were born on 17th September 1996?!
1973…..I picked 96 when I chose my username as it was one of my favourite seasons.
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No issue with Durans goal being chalked off, as blatant a hand ball as we will ever see.
Big massive problem with Ollie’s goal being chalked off, Ive yet to see a pic where the ball definitely touches his hand.
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I sat in the home end and even the Swiss fans queuing for a pint at half time whilst watching the replay screen seemed puzzled why Ollie’s “goal” was disallowed.
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Great opening UCL performance, took a few minutes to settle but then there was only one team going to win. Youri my MOTM again.
Watkins' goal should have stood and VAR had no place in disallowing Duran's as the ref was no more than 5 yds from Onana and didn't give it. Regardless, there were additional phases of play afterwards that should have precluded the review.
I have to say that Duran's finish was stunning - it actually looked like someone was controlling the ball with a joystick such was the swerve.
I'm sure Gary will be smiling down in approval.
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I’d have gone cuckoo if that goal was given against us.
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Telegraph/Percy
Nice read.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/09/17/young-boys-vs-aston-villa-score-updates-champions-league/
Behind paywall.
Click on link. Then Esc. Bit of a knack. But try a few times.
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Telegraph/Percy
Nice read.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/09/17/young-boys-vs-aston-villa-score-updates-champions-league/
Behind paywall.
Click on link. Then Esc. Bit of a knack. But try a few times.
This should work
https://archive.ph/U3kmZ
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Telegraph/Percy
Nice read.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/09/17/young-boys-vs-aston-villa-score-updates-champions-league/
Behind paywall.
Click on link. Then Esc. Bit of a knack. But try a few times.
This should work
https://archive.ph/U3kmZ
None of those archive links work for me any more. Used to up until about a month ago.
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I'm pretty sure John Percy is on some kind of bonus for calling us a 'famous old club'. Not that I'm complaining!
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Telegraph/Percy
Nice read.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/09/17/young-boys-vs-aston-villa-score-updates-champions-league/
Behind paywall.
Click on link. Then Esc. Bit of a knack. But try a few times.
This should work
https://archive.ph/U3kmZ
None of those archive links work for me any more. Used to up until about a month ago.
They work for me fine on Samsung's own Internet app, although they're obviously a bit shit to read on a phone.
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No issue with Durans goal being chalked off, as blatant a hand ball as we will ever see.
Big massive problem with Ollie’s goal being chalked off, Ive yet to see a pic where the ball definitely touches his hand.
My problem with ruling the Duran goal out is how far back do you go? There was quite a bit of play between the handball and the goal.
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Special shout out for our 1.600 fans tonight, you did us proud again.
As for the team, this was just a warm up. We're going to improve across the season.
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Playing in the Champions League and breezing through our first away game as routine as you like. It still seems surreal to me but I’ll happily get used to it.
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Did anyone here go to VP to watch it?
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Yes i went with my youngest, perfect kick off time for a school night....bit of a pain traffic wise but got there in plenty of time. Alan McInally was the guest speaker, some lovely words spoken for our lost hero and a short tribute video was shown before the game. A nice victory made the night.
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As I was working, just seen the highlights of the game, as you would expect for the home side they started the game well, and then we grew into the game and took control.
Watkins goal for me was not a handball, the Duran goal was handball in the build up, which is a shame because it was an excellent finish.
Looking forward to the Bayern game, which will be a very tough test for us.
There is a good article on the BBC sport website - "The guy is a genius" which is all about a certain Manager!!
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No issue with Durans goal being chalked off, as blatant a hand ball as we will ever see.
Big massive problem with Ollie’s goal being chalked off, Ive yet to see a pic where the ball definitely touches his hand.
My problem with ruling the Duran goal out is how far back do you go? There was quite a bit of play between the handball and the goal.
Does his yellow card get chalked off too then
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Yes i went with my youngest, perfect kick off time for a school night....bit of a pain traffic wise but got there in plenty of time. Alan McInally was the guest speaker, some lovely words spoken for our lost hero and a short tribute video was shown before the game. A nice victory made the night.
I was there too at VP. Was a really good atmosphere. The lights are in silly places to see the screens at times, and they could have filled 3 more terrace views on the night I reckon. Rambo was his usually level of excellent with the crowd. Good night there to be fair.
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Can't see from main angles how Ollie's was handball.
Duan's - well fair enough handball was integral to that phase of play.
3.0 could have been more.
Great start - let's see off the Dingles on Saturday
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Great start to our Champions league adventure. Such a shame Durans goal got ruled out as others have said how far back do you go though to find a reason to disallow a goal? Ollie still looking out of sorts and very clumsy but I'd love to hear an explanation as to why his goal got ruled out because at no point does the ball touch his hand from the angles I've seen.
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No issue with Durans goal being chalked off, as blatant a hand ball as we will ever see.
Big massive problem with Ollie’s goal being chalked off, Ive yet to see a pic where the ball definitely touches his hand.
My problem with ruling the Duran goal out is how far back do you go? There was quite a bit of play between the handball and the goal.
Thats my problem with it. If we scored 5 minutes after are you pulling that back 5 mins after? VAR should be stopping that either straight away or set time limits to when play can be brought back.
Ollies goal for me was the worst of the two. Never hand ball
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I do sort of get the time limit point, but feel that people are grasping at extremes. I haven’t watched it back, so I might be wrong, but was the Onana handball less than 5 passes and about 10 seconds before the goal went in? It didn’t feel like a long time.
The Ollie one doesn’t make sense.
Ah Dave’s confirmed below, so not far off in my memory.
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Great start to our Champions league adventure. Such a shame Durans goal got ruled out as others have said how far back do you go though to find a reason to disallow a goal?
It's a perfectly valid question in the abstract, but six passes and sixteen seconds is definitely fine.
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Great start to our Champions league adventure. Such a shame Durans goal got ruled out as others have said how far back do you go though to find a reason to disallow a goal?
It's a perfectly valid question in the abstract, but six passes and sixteen seconds is definitely fine.
I watched it back and it felt longer at the time. I have changed my position since last night based on that aspect alone.
But i do think they need to clarify in future how long you can go back for decisions like this. Maybe something like 30-45 seconds or at worst 60 seconds then it was nullified.
Ollies one though no excuse why that was disallowed
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If they think that the ball hit Ollie's arm instead of his midriff they need to go to specsavers. Either that or it's corrupt. Those betting syndicates in the far east would no doubt be able to lump on a goal being disallowed in both half's. Just a thought.
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I'm getting worried now. What if they go back to Sheffield United and allow their goal thereby relegating us and disqualifying us from the CL?
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Great start to our Champions league adventure. Such a shame Durans goal got ruled out as others have said how far back do you go though to find a reason to disallow a goal?
It's a perfectly valid question in the abstract, but six passes and sixteen seconds is definitely fine.
I watched it back and it felt longer at the time. I have changed my position since last night based on that aspect alone.
But i do think they need to clarify in future how long you can go back for decisions like this. Maybe something like 30-45 seconds or at worst 60 seconds then it was nullified.
Ollies one though no excuse why that was disallowed
Bruce used to go back about 4 minutes when managing Blues. A 50:50 free kick could have gone the other way
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Brilliant performance from the team last night, the link up play between Tielemans Ramsey and Morgan has been getting better and better every game.
Munich will be a lot tougher but with Emery anything is possible.
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Great start to our Champions league adventure. Such a shame Durans goal got ruled out as others have said how far back do you go though to find a reason to disallow a goal?
It's a perfectly valid question in the abstract, but six passes and sixteen seconds is definitely fine.
Says who? And even if it was, it had to be deliberate hand ball to be ruled out.
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Great start to our Champions league adventure. Such a shame Durans goal got ruled out as others have said how far back do you go though to find a reason to disallow a goal?
It's a perfectly valid question in the abstract, but six passes and sixteen seconds is definitely fine.
I watched it back and it felt longer at the time. I have changed my position since last night based on that aspect alone.
But i do think they need to clarify in future how long you can go back for decisions like this. Maybe something like 30-45 seconds or at worst 60 seconds then it was nullified.
Ollies one though no excuse why that was disallowed
Bruce used to go back about 4 minutes when managing Blues. A 50:50 free kick could have gone the other way
Haha good old fistface. But you do have to blame the powers at be for not making the rules clear so we all understand.
I think mccoist called the handball for onana literally within a second. VAR should have seen that straight away and said to ref hand ball.
I still find the clear and obvious error aspect very vague. It just seems to be a rule they use when it suits their narrative and isnt always consistent
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Great start to our Champions league adventure. Such a shame Durans goal got ruled out as others have said how far back do you go though to find a reason to disallow a goal?
It's a perfectly valid question in the abstract, but six passes and sixteen seconds is definitely fine.
I watched it back and it felt longer at the time. I have changed my position since last night based on that aspect alone.
But i do think they need to clarify in future how long you can go back for decisions like this. Maybe something like 30-45 seconds or at worst 60 seconds then it was nullified.
Ollies one though no excuse why that was disallowed
Bruce used to go back about 4 minutes when managing Blues. A 50:50 free kick could have gone the other way
Haha good old fistface. But you do have to blame the powers at be for not making the rules clear so we all understand.
I think mccoist called the handball for onana literally within a second. VAR should have seen that straight away and said to ref hand ball.
I still find the clear and obvious error aspect very vague. It just seems to be a rule they use when it suits their narrative and isnt always consistent
Var would not have been able to stop the game for Onanas handball but I do think clarity is needed when it comes to how far back they can go to find a problem with a goal. The officiating was iffy to say the least. The lino giving that throw in when the ball was clearly still in play and right in front of Unai was a shocker.
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The crazy thing is if a defender gets a foot to the ball and knocks it back out to a Villa player and that attack continues it probably gets deemed a "different phase" and the goal allowed. Fine margins.
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Excellent start to our latest rampage through Europe. Onwards and Upwards!
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Great start to our Champions league adventure. Such a shame Durans goal got ruled out as others have said how far back do you go though to find a reason to disallow a goal?
It's a perfectly valid question in the abstract, but six passes and sixteen seconds is definitely fine.
Says who? And even if it was, it had to be deliberate hand ball to be ruled out.
Me. I said it. Look, it's right there in the post that you quoted.
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The crazy thing is if a defender gets a foot to the ball and knocks it back out to a Villa player and that attack continues it probably gets deemed a "different phase" and the goal allowed. Fine margins.
This didn't happen against Sheffield Utd at home last season.
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The Onana handball was clear and the ref should have seen it. He didn't, play continued as per the rules, and then it was checked by VAR when we scored. It's disappointing but completely right, and had it been the other way around we'd have been seething and calling corruption if it hadn't been given.
It's a shame, and one of the reasons VAR is annoying but ultimately it's the right call. Just because we have a patient build up, involving more passing and more players doesn't mean the rules don't apply the same way.
As for Watkins' disallowed one, I can only summise that VAR had a completely different angle that's not available to everyone else. Because you couldn't tell from the angle we could see.
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The Onana handball was clear and the ref should have seen it. He didn't, play continued as per the rules, and then it was checked by VAR when we scored. It's disappointing but completely right, and had it been the other way around we'd have been seething and calling corruption if it hadn't been given.
It's a shame, and one of the reasons VAR is annoying but ultimately it's the right call. Just because we have a patient build up, involving more passing and more players doesn't mean the rules don't apply the same way.
As for Watkins' disallowed one, I can only summise that VAR had a completely different angle that's not available to everyone else. Because you couldn't tell from the angle we could see.
You think the Onana one was deliberate then? Personally, I don’t.
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The Onana handball was clear and the ref should have seen it. He didn't, play continued as per the rules, and then it was checked by VAR when we scored. It's disappointing but completely right, and had it been the other way around we'd have been seething and calling corruption if it hadn't been given.
It's a shame, and one of the reasons VAR is annoying but ultimately it's the right call. Just because we have a patient build up, involving more passing and more players doesn't mean the rules don't apply the same way.
As for Watkins' disallowed one, I can only summise that VAR had a completely different angle that's not available to everyone else. Because you couldn't tell from the angle we could see.
You think it was deliberate then? Personally, I don’t.
But "deliberate" means something different when talking about handball in football. Onana obviously didn't think "I've miscontrolled this here, I'm going to get the ball back under control by sticking my arm out to get it back", but the current rule is this:
It is an offence if a player...touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
Onana has big arms and so when they are flapping around in the air he's going to be at risk of the above happening. The above is more used for blocking opposing shots / passes by waving your arms around, but Onana also did that when the ball hit his hand yesterday.
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Yep he was deliberately moving his arms, and the one it hit was outstretched.
It doesn't mean he was reaching out for the ball, but did gain an unfair advantage as a result of it hitting the outstretched arm.
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They don't just look at deliberate but on whether there is an un-natural position. A defender jumping into a blocked shot would not have a chance to move his arm/hand to or away from a ball, but if he jumped with them well outstretched from the body, then they would give a pen.
Onana's arm being well above his head could be construed as natural for a jump but ref decided un-natural (although the slight move to the ball would have swung it).
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Fair enough chaps. Ta.
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Great start to our Champions league adventure. Such a shame Durans goal got ruled out as others have said how far back do you go though to find a reason to disallow a goal?
It's a perfectly valid question in the abstract, but six passes and sixteen seconds is definitely fine.
Says who? And even if it was, it had to be deliberate hand ball to be ruled out.
Me. I said it. Look, it's right there in the post that you quoted.
Ah, I thought you worked in financial services rather than at IFAB. My mistake.
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The ref should have clocked Onana's handball straight away. Poor Durán, the lad was blessing himself and pointing to God in the sky. The ref must have been a heathen.
I still can't see conclusive proof that Ollie handled his, but he didn't seem to complain at all when it was ruled out.
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I didn't celebrate the Watkins goal. I just assumed it must have hit his hand at some point and he looked sheepish in celebration.
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Well, well, well!
Thank you Villa for making my night!
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I'm getting worried now. What if they go back to Sheffield United and allow their goal thereby relegating us and disqualifying us from the CL?
If 115 stick I am sure it will open the doors for ClaimsRUs army.
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Other than football Berne is a lovely town. I mooched around for about 3 hours this morning walking along the river “hairpin” and climb up to the bridge, walked across it to the museum and then back into town. Parliament building and architecture around Kornhaus is breathtaking. Had a coffee in the Pyrenees Cafe and thought about a chicken masala in the Everest Balti but decided to have a Turkish doner in the Ararat Kebab house. Nice day.
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Other than football Berne is a lovely town. I mooched around for about 3 hours this morning walking along the river “hairpin” and climb up to the bridge, walked across it to the museum and then back into town. Parliament building and architecture around Kornhaus is breathtaking. Had a coffee in the Pyrenees Cafe and thought about a chicken masala in the Everest Balti but decided to have a Turkish doner in the Ararat Kebab house. Nice day.
Thanks Judith.
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I was in Bern and Switzerland for my first time this summer (did some inter-railing - I m too old for that some says but fun anyhow). Sceneries (buildings) a bit fairy tale from the middle ages someplaces aint? Very nice and safe places. A bit expensive but not that bad compared to most of west Europe.
As for the game, defence more solid when konsa at Right back and Carlos in the middle, I like Carlos but yeah prone to a mistake. We are a wonderful team to watch now, long it will/ should continue. Tielemans superb again, Onana to be a handful for any team to come up against us and Duran showing incredible skill again. I still think Watkins should start ahead of Duran as he brings so much to our attacking moves. Durans celebrations, he coudnt care less about a yellow as a consequence, i like that and Emery did kind a support him in that after all i did read somewhere I think :)
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Got back this morning, then a mad dash back up the M40 to work.
Brilliant away trip - Great country, great cities, VERY clean, but also VERY expensive. Also can't believe the innuendo served up by the club itself regarding their club name/stadium name.... Assuming you've seen the photo of a poster/newsletter from the club shop doing the rounds with a very dubious sounding headline?? It can't be accidental surely?!
I also cannot believe that nobody has mentioned the 'deconstructed hotdog' that they were selling in the away concourse. It consisted of a large sausage and a small round bread roll on a plate laid out separately. When the two were put together, it certainly didn't resemble a hotdog! 🍆👀
Great performance all round. I was a little nervy pre-match that the occasion and the pitch might get the better of them, but they're better than that now - Who are we to doubt them!? Comfortable win, which sets us up nicely for the visit of Bayern.
All topped off by bumping into Crouchy on my flight to Zurich yesterday morning! Lovely bloke, and a nice little precursor to a cracking day.
UTV
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The ref should have clocked Onana's handball straight away. Poor Durán, the lad was blessing himself and pointing to God in the sky. The ref must have been a heathen.
I still can't see conclusive proof that Ollie handled his, but he didn't seem to complain at all when it was ruled out.
This is a stupidity with the play on and let VAR sort it out later rule. It was an obvious handball and the game should have been stopped there. As it was that was another 15 sec or so of wasted effort and injury risk. This is what I think Unai was pissed off about
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Got back this morning, then a mad dash back up the M40 to work.
Brilliant away trip - Great country, great cities, VERY clean, but also VERY expensive. Also can't believe the innuendo served up by the club itself regarding their club name/stadium name.... Assuming you've seen the photo of a poster/newsletter from the club shop doing the rounds with a very dubious sounding headline?? It can't be accidental surely?!
I also cannot believe that nobody has mentioned the 'deconstructed hotdog' that they were selling in the away concourse. It consisted of a large sausage and a small round bread roll on a plate laid out separately. When the two were put together, it certainly didn't resemble a hotdog! 🍆👀
Great performance all round. I was a little nervy pre-match that the occasion and the pitch might get the better of them, but they're better than that now - Who are we to doubt them!? Comfortable win, which sets us up nicely for the visit of Bayern.
All topped off by bumping into Crouchy on my flight to Zurich yesterday morning! Lovely bloke, and a nice little precursor to a cracking day.
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Ha!
Bumped into Crouchy too!
Jeez, he's taller than I remember!
He was delightful and great for a chat and a photo.
And he was delighted with the Villa performance and result!
Looking forward to "another one"!
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Crouchie did a one-liner on the coverage that made me laugh out loud.
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Crouchie did a one-liner on the coverage that made me laugh out loud.
Are you going to tell the rest of us?
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I'm not sure it works in this format.
They went over to Rio for a comment and there was silence.
Then they got his mic working.
Crouchie pipes in that he had turned his mic off.
Funny in the moment because it was unexpected.
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I'm not sure it works in this format.
They went over to Rio for a comment and there was silence.
Then they got his mic working.
Crouchie pipes in that he had turned his mic off.
Funny in the moment because it was unexpected.
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