Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Tuscans on December 15, 2023, 11:37:54 AM
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V Sports S.C.S. (“V Sports”), a joint venture of Nassef Sawiris and Wesley Edens and the owner of Aston Villa FC Limited and Aston Villa Women’s Football Club Limited (together, “AVFC” or the “Club”), is pleased to announce that it has entered into an agreement with Atairos to become a partner in V Sports. V Sports will continue to own 100% of AVFC post-closing of the transaction and will continue to have full control of all decisions at AVFC.
Under the terms of the agreement, Atairos will invest to become a minority partner in V Sports. Atairos’ capital investment will primarily be used to fund growth and infrastructure investments, with the aim of creating material and sustainable value for AVFC and the broader V Sports network over time. The transaction marks the exceptional achievements of AVFC under V Sports’ stewardship over the last five years and positions the Club firmly for an exciting next phase of growth. The transaction is subject to Premier League approval, customary conditions and relevant regulatory approvals and consents being obtained.
Nassef Sawiris and Wesley Edens said: “V Sports is delighted to be partnering with a long-term strategic investor in Atairos who shares our compelling vision for the future of the Club and our passion for football. This exciting partnership enhances the Club’s financial footing and strengthens its ability to compete in England and in Europe. V Sports is fully committed to further investment in Aston Villa FC and its men’s and women’s teams and looks forward to its continued growth and success.”
Michael Angelakis, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer of Atairos, said: “Aston Villa is a historic football club with an exceptional management team and significant growth potential. We are strong believers in the long-term global growth potential of the Premier League and Aston Villa’s men’s and women’s teams. We have great respect for Aston Villa’s leadership and look forward to partnering with Nassef and Wes. We are excited to bring our expertise in supporting businesses in the leisure, sports, and live entertainment industries to elevate the Club to even greater heights.”
About Atairos
Atairos is an independent strategic investment company focused on supporting growth-oriented businesses across a wide range of industries. Atairos provides a unique combination of active strategic partnership and patient long-term capital to high-potential companies and their management teams. Atairos was launched in 2016 and has $6.5 billion of equity capital. Atairos has offices in New York City and Philadelphia. For more information, please visit www.atairos.com.
About V Sports
V Sports S.C.S. (“V Sports”) is a holding company jointly controlled by Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens. V Sports is the current owner of Aston Villa Football Club and Aston Villa Women’s Football Club. During their stewardship of the 149-year-old institution (since 2018), Aston Villa has risen from the second tier of the English league pyramid to the Premier League and European competition. V Sports also holds a minority stake in Vitoria S.C. of the Portuguese Primeira Liga and has partnerships with a network of clubs including Real Union from Spain, Egyptian Premier League side, ZED FC and the recently crowned Japanese J1 League champions, Vissel Kobe.
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This is big news.
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What do we think are possible ramifications? Does it allow us to invest more over the next couple of windows?
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What do we think are possible ramifications? Does it allow us to invest more over the next couple of windows?
I think our investment in players is only limited by FFP, so can't see that changing.
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Didn't know whether outside investment affected FFP (for the better)?
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There are clearly big intentions for our club.
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Might this help the club improve its commercial side that in the long run will help with FFP?? Hoping this investment firm has money in companies to help boot out BK8 :-)
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In the scale of things, for an investment firm like this, is $6.5 billion a lot?
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I note from their website that they used to fund Spectra, so they have experience of working with those planning world domination.
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Didn't know whether outside investment affected FFP (for the better)?
It doesn't make any difference.
It seems a bit odd to me. Usually with firms like that, they provide capital in exchange for equity in the business. They then hope that the business increases in value, and they profit from any future sale. I can't see Nas and Wes wanting to sell in the near future, (hope not anyway) so a bit difficult to see what's in it for Atairos in the short term. Football clubs aren't known for their big profits usually, so I can't see that they're goig to get much from the usual business activities of the V Sports group.
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It does read as strange, they are investing but wont get any shares. So what do they get?
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Didn't know whether outside investment affected FFP (for the better)?
It doesn't make any difference.
It seems a bit odd to me. Usually with firms like that, they provide capital in exchange for equity in the business. They then hope that the business increases in value, and they profit from any future sale. I can't see Nas and Wes wanting to sell in the near future, (hope not anyway) so a bit difficult to see what's in it for Atairos in the short term. Football clubs aren't known for their big profits usually, so I can't see that they're goig to get much from the usual business activities of the V Sports group.
Being Used as a source of funding for capital projects and it’s nothing more sinister than that? Though it seems a bit odd as I’m sure the investments in North Stand/Brookvale etc are just loose change to Naseef and Wes. Oh well we’ll see.
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It does read as strange, they are investing but wont get any shares. So what do they get?
It's vague wording, deliberately perhaps. V Sports will still own 100% of Aston Villa, but will V Sports be owned 100% by Nas and Wes? I suspect not.
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Didn't know whether outside investment affected FFP (for the better)?
It doesn't make any difference.
It seems a bit odd to me. Usually with firms like that, they provide capital in exchange for equity in the business. They then hope that the business increases in value, and they profit from any future sale. I can't see Nas and Wes wanting to sell in the near future, (hope not anyway) so a bit difficult to see what's in it for Atairos in the short term. Football clubs aren't known for their big profits usually, so I can't see that they're goig to get much from the usual business activities of the V Sports group.
I guess they can invest, grow the value and sell their share?
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It does read as strange, they are investing but wont get any shares. So what do they get?
It's vague wording, deliberately perhaps. V Sports will still own 100% of Aston Villa, but will V Sports be owned 100% by Nas and Wes? I suspect not.
yep minority partner in v sports.
Does "growth and infrastructure" suggest this is about building the new stand?
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Sounds like a funding round, giving a few shares in V Sports (excluding anything Villa) to a VC company in exchange for a bit of cash. Be interesting to find out the valuation. Seems strange given how loaded our owners are, maybe they don't have a lot of liquid assets, don't think it's bad though.
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Does "growth and infrastructure" suggest this is about building the new stand?
It might do, if the infrastructure-investment were in the £00's of million or even billions. It isn't.
I wonder whether the growth in V Sports is planned with a large-club acquisition somewhere soon?
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Hmmm private equity.....
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It does read as strange, they are investing but wont get any shares. So what do they get?
It's vague wording, deliberately perhaps. V Sports will still own 100% of Aston Villa, but will V Sports be owned 100% by Nas and Wes? I suspect not.
yep minority partner in v sports.
Does "growth and infrastructure" suggest this is about building the new stand?
I suspect this is more about funding to expand the group and expertise to further push things on the commercial side.
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Can someone smarter than me tell me is this
a) good
b) bad
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I suspect this is more about funding to expand the group and expertise to further push things on the commercial side.
The funding, sure, the expertise, no. That's not usually what PE firms do.
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Can someone smarter than me tell me is this
a) good
b) bad
It's probably a), but I've been reading a lot of Arthur C. Clarke of late and the title reads like we've decided to accept investment from some far off galaxy that's going to come back to haunt us at some point in the future.
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Can someone smarter than me tell me is this
a) good
b) bad
It's probably a), but I've been reading a lot of Arthur C. Clarke of late and the title reads like we've decided to accept investment from some far off galaxy that's going to come back to haunt us at some point in the future.
I for one welcome our new alien overlords.
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So am I correct in thinking that they are investing in V Sports & not Villa specifically?
I am an idiot when it comes to this sort of stuff.
Amongst other things...
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So am I correct in thinking that they are investing in V Sports & not Villa specifically?
Yes. Villa's obviously by far the biggest company in the group though.
They might be looking at something like the next MLS expansion, who knows.
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Hmmm, just before the transfer window? Will this make a difference?
Could the question be asked at the next fans forum please?
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Hmmm, just before the transfer window? Will this make a difference?
Could the question be asked at the next fans forum please?
It'll be naff all to do with the transfer window.
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Maybe its as simple as Zaniolo has finally got his goal - so we know he'll now go on a "run"
So we need to buy him - and this is us getting the money to do it!
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So am I correct in thinking that they are investing in V Sports & not Villa specifically?
Yes. Villa's obviously by far the biggest company in the group though.
They might be looking at something like the next MLS expansion, who knows.
Yeah, a new club in the states or a purchase of another club somewhere like China, etc, to give us a presence in one of those areas could be a good thing for attracting new customers...
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I'm completely fucking baffled.
Anyone fancy a pint?
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https://www.atairos.com/
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I'm completely fucking baffled.
Anyone fancy a pint?
Yes please, and some scratchings.
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So am I correct in thinking that they are investing in V Sports & not Villa specifically?
Yes. Villa's obviously by far the biggest company in the group though.
They might be looking at something like the next MLS expansion, who knows.
That MLS expansion thing is probably a good shout Risso. Lots of Capital required to buy the franchise and build a stadium if it is going to be in Vegas.
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Sounds like a funding round, giving a few shares in V Sports (excluding anything Villa) to a VC company in exchange for a bit of cash.
It's not excluding anything Villa, though. V Sports owns Villa, and Atairos now owns a slice of V Sports.
Easiest way to describe what's happening here is that we have new co-owners. I think!
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So am I correct in thinking that they are investing in V Sports & not Villa specifically?
Yes. Villa's obviously by far the biggest company in the group though.
They might be looking at something like the next MLS expansion, who knows.
That MLS expansion thing is probably a good shout Risso. Lots of Capital required to buy the franchise and build a stadium if it is going to be in Vegas.
Vegas didn't get the last franchise, so must surely be a fair way off.
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I suspect this is more about funding to expand the group and expertise to further push things on the commercial side.
The funding, sure, the expertise, no. That's not usually what PE firms do.
That's precisely what PE firms do.
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In the scale of things, for an investment firm like this, is $6.5 billion a lot?
They are a relatively new investment firm. A quick look at their website tells us they also partner Comcast, NBC Universal and Sky which to me, at least, suggests they have funds/gravitas on a large scale.
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I always love to see Lost In Munich posting. Caught in a trap.
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I'm completely fucking baffled.
Anyone fancy a pint?
You buying?
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Seem to have a base in Philadelphia, wonder if they were introduced by Heck (Chris, not the expensive sausage manufaturers, obvs)
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I always love to see Lost In Munich posting. Caught in a trap.
No turning back.
Sadly, for me (and now, it transpires, you) I don't post a lot these days. I'll try a bit harder.
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Seem to have a base in Philadelphia, wonder if they were introduced by Heck (Chris, not the expensive sausage manufaturers, obvs)
Wasn’t obvious to me Paulie. Thanks for the clarification.
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Who does do our sausages? Out of interest?
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I always love to see Lost In Munich posting. Caught in a trap.
No turning back.
Sadly, for me (and now, it transpires, you) I don't post a lot these days. I'll try a bit harder.
If you're struggling for time maybe consider quitting your nine-to-five.
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I always love to see Lost In Munich posting. Caught in a trap.
No turning back.
Sadly, for me (and now, it transpires, you) I don't post a lot these days. I'll try a bit harder.
If you're struggling for time maybe consider quitting your nine-to-five.
Yeah, get a job some other time.
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I always love to see Lost In Munich posting. Caught in a trap.
No turning back.
Sadly, for me (and now, it transpires, you) I don't post a lot these days. I'll try a bit harder.
To me that is a tragedy
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Atairos sounds like some sort of after shave everyone used to wear in the 1980s.
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A quick look at their website tells us they also partner Comcast, NBC Universal and Sky which to me, at least, suggests they have funds/gravitas on a large scale.
The Comcast stuff is interesting. They own NBC, which is the broadcaster for Premier League football in the US, isn't it?
The Atairos chair - Angelakis, who is quoted in the press release - used to be the CFO of Comcast, and Atairos was originally launched with $4bn of capital from Comcast. Presumably that was all Angelakis' idea and he jumped ship to go and run it.
Not sure what point I'm making here, except to note that the ties to Comcast are strong, and that Comcast itself is already betting on the growing popularity of English football in the US.
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In the scale of things, for an investment firm like this, is $6.5 billion a lot?
I don't think so, pretty normal but obviously it's still a lot of money and responsibility to manage. My guess is they see V Sports as a great potential investment as it builds a network of clubs across the globe and want in early doors. Somebody mentioned the MSL club plans which we all know about and the potential growth in the US market. It would also raise their profile and sit in with their strategy of long term investments for what I imagine is a relatively small amount of money.
What they bring to the table other than capital I have no idea and only time will tell. They certainly have a smart team behind them. As Risso said, it has nothing to do with AVFC but does show our owners are serious about V Sports and it's certainly not a rich boys' vanity project.
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Atairos sounds like some sort of after shave everyone used to wear in the 1980s.
Speak for yourself. Besides I thought they were some naff gaming type console from the 80s. This computer gaming shit will never catch on.
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Didn't know whether outside investment affected FFP (for the better)?
It doesn't make any difference.
It seems a bit odd to me. Usually with firms like that, they provide capital in exchange for equity in the business. They then hope that the business increases in value, and they profit from any future sale. I can't see Nas and Wes wanting to sell in the near future, (hope not anyway) so a bit difficult to see what's in it for Atairos in the short term. Football clubs aren't known for their big profits usually, so I can't see that they're goig to get much from the usual business activities of the V Sports group.
I am reading this as a debt equity play, it means that they will be able to press on with the ground improvement and other investments without having to rely on banks.
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Atairos sounds like some sort of after shave everyone used to wear in the 1980s.
or some sort of knock off Belgium lager sold in Lidl
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In the scale of things, for an investment firm like this, is $6.5 billion a lot?
I don't think so, pretty normal but obviously it's still a lot of money and responsibility to manage. My guess is they see V Sports as a great potential investment as it builds a network of clubs across the globe and want in early doors. Somebody mentioned the MSL club plans which we all know about and the potential growth in the US market. It would also raise their profile and sit in with their strategy of long term investments for what I imagine is a relatively small amount of money.
What they bring to the table other than capital I have no idea and only time will tell. They certainly have a smart team behind them. As Risso said, it has nothing to do with AVFC but does show our owners are serious about V Sports and it's certainly not a rich boys' vanity project.
The US football development is a significant opportunity and based on their background is likely part of the bigger picture.
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A quick look at their website tells us they also partner Comcast, NBC Universal and Sky which to me, at least, suggests they have funds/gravitas on a large scale.
The Comcast stuff is interesting. They own NBC, which is the broadcaster for Premier League football in the US, isn't it?
The Atairos chair - Angelakis, who is quoted in the press release - used to be the CFO of Comcast, and Atairos was originally launched with $4bn of capital from Comcast. Presumably that was all Angelakis' idea and he jumped ship to go and run it.
Not sure what point I'm making here, except to note that the ties to Comcast are strong, and that Comcast itself is already betting on the growing popularity of English football in the US.
There has been some interesting developments recently in the US concerning the businesses that separately controls the sports TV franchises and the broadcasting rights.
This has already been subject to PE investment.
I think this could be something to do with the Private Equity world land grab of sports Broadcasting.
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Atairos sounds like some sort of after shave everyone used to wear in the 1980s.
Or a budget airline run by some Delboy type character...
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Atairos sounds like some sort of after shave everyone used to wear in the 1980s.
or some sort of knock off Belgium lager sold in Lidl
More like Greek.
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Just a bit more digging. Atairos is currently solely funded by Comcast (an organization with a market cap of 180 billion).
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Atairos sounds like some sort of after shave everyone used to wear in the 1980s.
Speak for yourself. Besides I thought they were some naff gaming type console from the 80s. This computer gaming shit will never catch on.
Sounds like a blend of the two to me. The fragrance for nerdy gamers.
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Just a bit more digging. Atairos is currently solely funded by Comcast (an organization with a market cap of 180 billion).
So what pisses on the Knighthead Blose chips.
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It's not excluding anything Villa, though. V Sports owns Villa, and Atairos now owns a slice of V Sports.
Easiest way to describe what's happening here is that we have new co-owners. I think!
V Sports will continue to own 100% of AVFC post-closing of the transaction and will continue to have full control of all decisions at AVFC.
I took that to mean that all AVFC-related bus. units were excluded, no ?
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It's not excluding anything Villa, though. V Sports owns Villa, and Atairos now owns a slice of V Sports.
Easiest way to describe what's happening here is that we have new co-owners. I think!
V Sports will continue to own 100% of AVFC post-closing of the transaction and will continue to have full control of all decisions at AVFC.
I took that to mean that all AVFC-related bus. units were excluded, no ?
and V Sports now has new shareholders.
It’s a minority stake but they don’t say how much.
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Got it, ta !
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Just a bit more digging. Atairos is currently solely funded by Comcast (an organization with a market cap of 180 billion).
So what pisses on the Knighthead Blose chips.
Comcast sounds like a bad corporation in a sci-fi meeting
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Just a bit more digging. Atairos is currently solely funded by Comcast (an organization with a market cap of 180 billion).
So what pisses on the Knighthead Blose chips.
Yep, I think this is an exciting development, Atairos are effectively an investment vehicle set up by Comcast - this is a huge organisation getting into bed with Villa. I genuinely think these guys give us the financial security to compete with anyone and, as the press release says, they are here for the long haul and to help Villa on our next stage of growth.
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Can someone smarter than me tell me is this
a) good
b) bad
It's probably a), but I've been reading a lot of Arthur C. Clarke of late and the title reads like we've decided to accept investment from some far off galaxy that's going to come back to haunt us at some point in the future.
b) It's a phonetic spelling of "A T. Ross" and is a cunning plan by Blose fans to undermine our progress.
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Just a bit more digging. Atairos is currently solely funded by Comcast (an organization with a market cap of 180 billion).
So what pisses on the Knighthead Blose chips.
Comcast sounds like a bad corporation in a sci-fi meeting
They own all of Sky, beating Disney in the auction.
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I always love to see Lost In Munich posting. Caught in a trap.
I’m just at Munich airport waiting to fly home. Lovely place. Enjoyed watching Bayern beating Manchester United in a pub on Wednesday night with my son!
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
I didn’t think Capital investment comes under FFP .
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
I didn’t think Capital investment comes under FFP .
Correct.
It’s based on Profit and Loss.
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My guess is that Atarios are looking to get some MLS action. V Sports have demonstrated a track record of being awesome in this field so they’ve selected them as the vehicle/partners to make this happen.
if correct it doesn’t make sense to asset strip Aston Villa in the short or medium term. Much mote likely that they’ll pump some cash in to raise our profile so there is a buzz associated with the MLS franchise and stadium they need to buy (£2bn?)
P.s. I’d be way more excited if Vegas was NOT out future sister club.
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My guess is that Atarios are looking to get some MLS action. V Sports have demonstrated a track record of being awesome in this field so they’ve selected them as the vehicle/partners to make this happen.
if correct it doesn’t make sense to asset strip Aston Villa in the short or medium term. Much mote likely that they’ll pump some cash in to raise our profile so there is a buzz associated with the MLS franchise and stadium they need to buy (£2bn?)
P.s. I’d be way more excited if Vegas was NOT out future sister club.
How do you get asset stripping from multi million investment?
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
Thanks.
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My guess is that Atarios are looking to get some MLS action. V Sports have demonstrated a track record of being awesome in this field so they’ve selected them as the vehicle/partners to make this happen.
if correct it doesn’t make sense to asset strip Aston Villa in the short or medium term. Much mote likely that they’ll pump some cash in to raise our profile so there is a buzz associated with the MLS franchise and stadium they need to buy (£2bn?)
P.s. I’d be way more excited if Vegas was NOT out future sister club.
How do you get asset stripping from multi million investment?
Arent’t venture capitalists obliged to get a return for their investors? Occasionally this means buying companies and selling their assets (consolidating real estate etc). for the avoidance of doubt, I don’t feel this is a risk on this occasion given villa’s potential.
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My guess is that Atarios are looking to get some MLS action. V Sports have demonstrated a track record of being awesome in this field so they’ve selected them as the vehicle/partners to make this happen.
if correct it doesn’t make sense to asset strip Aston Villa in the short or medium term. Much mote likely that they’ll pump some cash in to raise our profile so there is a buzz associated with the MLS franchise and stadium they need to buy (£2bn?)
P.s. I’d be way more excited if Vegas was NOT out future sister club.
How do you get asset stripping from multi million investment?
Arent’t venture capitalists obliged to get a return for their investors? Occasionally this means buying companies and selling their assets (consolidating real estate etc). for the avoidance of doubt, I don’t feel this is a risk on this occasion given villa’s potential.
Asset stripping involves buying a company and selling the assets for more than you paid for the company.
I don’t see how this could be even remote relevant to an investment which is obviously going to be financing improving and acquiring assets.
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I think we are agreeing here Chicago.
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Until they put £500 behind the bar at The Bartons then I don't trust them.
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P.s. I’d be way more excited if Vegas was NOT out future sister club.
I'd be way less than excited if our future sister club was something like the Wyoming Wanderers rather than the Vegas Villans.
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Until they put £500 behind the bar at The Bartons then I don't trust them.
Have you seen how much they charge for a pint of neck-oil in there?
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
Thanks.
Couldn't their investment come as a massive sponsorship? Thereby coming in as earnings ;-)
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
Thanks.
Couldn't their investment come as a massive sponsorship? Thereby coming in as earnings ;-)
Think they’d prefer shares that have a value than spending dead money on a sponsorship
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
Thanks.
Couldn't their investment come as a massive sponsorship? Thereby coming in as earnings ;-)
Think they’d prefer shares that have a value than spending dead money on a sponsorship
We give them a few shares as a thank you :-)
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I think the big news here is that companies worth billions want their name to be associated with Aston Villa Football Club. That's massive imo.
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
Thanks.
Couldn't their investment come as a massive sponsorship? Thereby coming in as earnings ;-)
It has worked for Citeh.
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I'm completely fucking baffled.
Anyone fancy a pint?
You buying?
Atairos sounds like some sort of after shave everyone used to wear in the 1980s.
or some sort of knock off Belgium lager sold in Lidl
More like Greek.
Tinnies from Aldi - even Dave might be buying rounds…
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This is all well and good, but until we can drink in town and move our entire fan base within the Birmingham boundaries, it’s all futile. Only then can we be taken seriously.
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
Thanks.
Couldn't their investment come as a massive sponsorship? Thereby coming in as earnings ;-)
It has worked for Citeh.
That was my point 👍
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
Thanks.
Couldn't their investment come as a massive sponsorship? Thereby coming in as earnings ;-)
It has worked for Citeh.
That was my point 👍
The problem is that none of their Businesses have UK activity, but the NBC or Comcast Stadium would grant them exposure in the US (PL games are broadcast on NBC) market not that they need that.
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Not that it is likely to happen but Comcast on our kits in the CL next season would be rather nice.
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
Thanks.
Couldn't their investment come as a massive sponsorship? Thereby coming in as earnings ;-)
It has worked for Citeh.
I think it's going to be way harder to take that fiddle route in future, and wouldn't be surprised if that was the core of several of those 115 charges.
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
Thanks.
Couldn't their investment come as a massive sponsorship? Thereby coming in as earnings ;-)
It has worked for Citeh.
That was my point 👍
The problem is that none of their Businesses have UK activity, but the NBC or Comcast Stadium would grant them exposure in the US (PL games are broadcast on NBC) market not that they need that.
Other than Comcast owning Sky?
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
Thanks.
Couldn't their investment come as a massive sponsorship? Thereby coming in as earnings ;-)
It has worked for Citeh.
That was my point 👍
The problem is that none of their Businesses have UK activity, but the NBC or Comcast Stadium would grant them exposure in the US (PL games are broadcast on NBC) market not that they need that.
Other than Comcast owning Sky?
Good point, but can you imagine Sky sponsoring Villa?
We might get some favourable coverage.
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Is it possible that this investment will contribute to the ground re-development meaning that money the club might have had to spend on this could effectively be freed up for FFP purposes for increased wages/transfer fees? Asking for a friend.
No.
Has no bearing on FFP except if the improvements increase revenue and profitability then that improvement can be applied to the playing staff.
Thanks.
Couldn't their investment come as a massive sponsorship? Thereby coming in as earnings ;-)
It has worked for Citeh.
That was my point 👍
The problem is that none of their Businesses have UK activity, but the NBC or Comcast Stadium would grant them exposure in the US (PL games are broadcast on NBC) market not that they need that.
Other than Comcast owning Sky?
Good point, but can you imagine Sky sponsoring Villa?
We might get some favourable coverage.
Well the former Director of Football at Sky is a Villa fan, he's now Director of Future Sport, Barney Francis.
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Not that it is likely to happen but Comcast on our kits in the CL next season would be rather nice.
Yeah, the corporate dream!
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Anyone curious about football finance may enjoy this interview.
https://youtu.be/5r_u4JaWyI8?si=rfm1-UGxY45DQh1r
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I’m excited by this. I used to love Space Invaders especially destroying the blue ships.
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A word of warning, Id guess that if we are being backed by a US TV company, any slight sniff of another Euro Super League and they will be all over it.
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A word of warning, Id guess that if we are being backed by a US TV company, any slight sniff of another Euro Super League and they will be all over it.
As long as we’re all ready to tell them to get to fuck.
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The problem is that none of their Businesses have UK activity, but the NBC or Comcast Stadium would grant them exposure in the US (PL games are broadcast on NBC) market not that they need that.
Other than Comcast owning Sky?
And Universal who have just announced a new adventure park. Unfortunately it is in Bedford where I think they could have done something up around the NEC / Airport in Brum which would have helped the airport and HS2 stuff.
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I’m excited by this. I used to love Space Invaders especially destroying the blue ships.
Can we keep crisp talk on the transfer thread please?
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A word of warning, Id guess that if we are being backed by a US TV company, any slight sniff of another Euro Super League and they will be all over it.
and it looks like the ESL could be back on the table soon given todays court ruling
Uefa and Fifa rules banning clubs joining breakaway competitions like the European Super League are unlawful, the European Court of Justice has ruled.
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Makes no differencetp English clubs due to 3 reasons:
1. Fans don't like it.
2. Premier League Charter put in place after the last ESL insurrection.
3. The new Independent Regulator.
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With the news that UEFA FIFA have lost legal monopoly over football competition, the Super League in some form is now back on.
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Anyone curious about football finance may enjoy this interview.
https://youtu.be/5r_u4JaWyI8?si=rfm1-UGxY45DQh1r
Interesting watch, especially the view that the points deduction punishment for Everton can be seen as setting a precedent in relation to other investigations (Man City, Chelsea)
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Another arm to Comcast appears to be Comcast Spectator who used to own the Philadelphia 76ers, (Hecks old employers) still own the stadium they play in and a lot of other sports teams and stadiums in the US via Spectra, a subsidary company.
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Makes no differencetp English clubs due to 3 reasons:
1. Fans don't like it.
2. Premier League Charter put in place after the last ESL insurrection.
3. The new Independent Regulator.
The Premier League Charter won't be enforceable in a court of law
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Makes no differencetp English clubs due to 3 reasons:
1. Fans don't like it.
2. Premier League Charter put in place after the last ESL insurrection.
3. The new Independent Regulator.
The Premier League Charter won't be enforceable in a court of law
It won't need to be, the PL can decide who can and can not play in their league.
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Makes no differencetp English clubs due to 3 reasons:
1. Fans don't like it.
2. Premier League Charter put in place after the last ESL insurrection.
3. The new Independent Regulator.
The Premier League Charter won't be enforceable in a court of law
It won't need to be, the PL can decide who can and can not play in their league.
and they can't stop teams from leaving it either
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I think the point it the ESL teams also want access to local leagues as well and the ESL to replace the CL. So if they do join the ESL, the PL can state "Fuck off then" with no legal comeback. If the said teams decide to voluntarily leave the PL, so fucking what and good riddance.
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I think the point it the ESL teams also want access to local leagues as well and the ESL to replace the CL. So if they do join the ESL, the PL can state "Fuck off then" with no legal comeback. If the said teams decide to voluntarily leave the PL, so fucking what and good riddance.
Yep, it's very much a cake and eat it situation. The likes of Man City love the riches they get in from the Premier League, they just want a lot more for playing other big European teams as well. They don't want to fuck about playing CL group games against league winners from Romania, they want 20 games a year, every year against the like of Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSG and Inter.
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I think the point it the ESL teams also want access to local leagues as well and the ESL to replace the CL. So if they do join the ESL, the PL can state "Fuck off then" with no legal comeback. If the said teams decide to voluntarily leave the PL, so fucking what and good riddance.
and you think the EPL will have the balls to tell Ci£y, ManUre, Arse, Pool to fuck off ?? Its a nice notion but that's not how this will work
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I think the point it the ESL teams also want access to local leagues as well and the ESL to replace the CL. So if they do join the ESL, the PL can state "Fuck off then" with no legal comeback. If the said teams decide to voluntarily leave the PL, so fucking what and good riddance.
and you think the EPL will have the balls to tell Ci£y, ManUre, Arse, Pool to fuck off ?? Its a nice notion but that's not how this will work
Yes.
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I think the point it the ESL teams also want access to local leagues as well and the ESL to replace the CL. So if they do join the ESL, the PL can state "Fuck off then" with no legal comeback. If the said teams decide to voluntarily leave the PL, so fucking what and good riddance.
and you think the EPL will have the balls to tell Ci£y, ManUre, Arse, Pool to fuck off ?? Its a nice notion but that's not how this will work
Yes.
So do I, the PL would be like a Turkey voting for Christmas if they don’t.
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not a chance
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Makes no differencetp English clubs due to 3 reasons:
1. Fans don't like it.
2. Premier League Charter put in place after the last ESL insurrection.
3. The new Independent Regulator.
The Premier League Charter won't be enforceable in a court of law
It won't need to be, the PL can decide who can and can not play in their league.
and they can't stop teams from leaving it either
That’s not the point and never was.
The point was they wanted to be in a super league AND the Premier league.
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The Premier League is the richest competition in the world and is miles more popular than the Champions League. Why would they want to leave that?
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That’s the irony. There already is a European super league - the Premier League.
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Depends on what money is thrown at it - Middle Eastern sponsors could impact the PL like LIV Golf has done.
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I can see Saudi and Qatari teams joining this Super League thing too.
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I can see Saudi and Qatari teams joining this Super League thing too.
They might have lots of money to chuck around, but absolutely nobody is watching it.
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I can see Saudi and Qatari teams joining this Super League thing too.
They might have lots of money to chuck around, but absolutely nobody is watching it.
Watching what? Seriously, I'd actually forgotten all about it.
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Another desperate grab at financial parity with the EPL by 2 clubs in particular. It didn’t happen a few years back and it won’t happen now.
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The Premier League is the richest competition in the world and is miles more popular than the Champions League. Why would they want to leave that?
It is at the moment. Imagine a rival body materialising from today’s judgement. Say LIV football to go with their golf. Billions in prize money to tempt them away from the EPL. Some would resist at first but I would expect MCFC, NUFC along with & PSG would be front and centre and happy to sell their fans out. Once others see the money pouring in, it wouldn’t be long before the sheep follow. Chelsea, MUFC, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool in that order.
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Another desperate grab at financial parity with the EPL by 2 clubs in particular. It didn’t happen a few years back and it won’t happen now.
I wouldn't bank on it to be honest. Like others have said, can definitely see the Saudis getting involved and the figures floating around being astronomical and heads being turned.
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Makes no differencetp English clubs due to 3 reasons:
1. Fans don't like it.
2. Premier League Charter put in place after the last ESL insurrection.
3. The new Independent Regulator.
The Premier League Charter won't be enforceable in a court of law
It won't need to be, the PL can decide who can and can not play in their league.
and they can't stop teams from leaving it either
That’s not the point and never was.
The point was they wanted to be in a super league AND the Premier league.
but thats exactly where this is headed
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Makes no differencetp English clubs due to 3 reasons:
1. Fans don't like it.
2. Premier League Charter put in place after the last ESL insurrection.
3. The new Independent Regulator.
The Premier League Charter won't be enforceable in a court of law
It won't need to be, the PL can decide who can and can not play in their league.
and they can't stop teams from leaving it either
That’s not the point and never was.
The point was they wanted to be in a super league AND the Premier league.
but thats exactly where this is headed
And how is that, precisely?
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Makes no differencetp English clubs due to 3 reasons:
1. Fans don't like it.
2. Premier League Charter put in place after the last ESL insurrection.
3. The new Independent Regulator.
The Premier League Charter won't be enforceable in a court of law
It won't need to be, the PL can decide who can and can not play in their league.
and they can't stop teams from leaving it either
That’s not the point and never was.
The point was they wanted to be in a super league AND the Premier league.
but thats exactly where this is headed
And how is that, precisely?
because without the "sky6" the EPL is nothing . Therefore they will ultimately call the shots
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The thing is football is a team game followed by team supporters. Golf is about individuals and there is no loyalty. The last attempt was seen off because of a fan backlash encouraging government to get involved and let’s face it that will happen again, even more so if Saudis are involved. Never underestimate the humble fan doused in generations of history…..
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The thing is football is a team game followed by team supporters. Golf is about individuals and there is no loyalty. The last attempt was seen off because of a fan backlash encouraging government to get involved and let’s face it that will happen again, even more so if Saudis are involved. Never underestimate the humble fan doused in generations of history…..
The issue with that sometimes is that football is too tribal, particularly in this country. Fans can be ridiculously quick to defend their own team whereas if the teams' fans came together, we'd get a lot more done. Fulham have been protesting their ticket prices this season and I think it was the Manchester United fans singing "what the effing hell is that?" instead of any solidarity. And that could have been any two teams. I won't hang my hat on football fans stopping this stuff
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Another desperate grab at financial parity with the EPL by 2 clubs in particular. It didn’t happen a few years back and it won’t happen now.
I wouldn't bank on it to be honest. Like others have said, can definitely see the Saudis getting involved and the figures floating around being astronomical and heads being turned.
They were astronomical last time and it didn’t work. I’m not surprised it’s come about again as football sold its soul years ago. What I am confident in is that the reaction from football supporters from every club in the football pyramid will be the same. It threatens the very essence of the game and that’s why it won’t happen. If I’m wrong then it’ll be the beginning of the end for the game as we know it.
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I can see Saudi and Qatari teams joining this Super League thing too.
They might have lots of money to chuck around, but absolutely nobody is watching it.
They will when they are playing Real Madrid or Barcelona. And the Saudis will want in regardless.
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because without the "sky6" the EPL is nothing . Therefore they will ultimately call the shots
Way to support your own team. Are you going to change your username to WithoutTheSky6WeAreNothingTim? You do realise it only takes 13 of the other clubs to vote against them for them to be kicked out. So they are two teams short. And if your saw the reactions from every other club at the time against the attempted splitters, I doubt any would vote for them.
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New shirt sponsor incoming according to Jacob Tanswell (The Athletic Villa correspondent) and Dan Bardell* on the 1874 podcast. Apparently they’re both very excited about it, but can’t reveal. Will listen later.
*He’s a Villa podcaster.
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Comcast?
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Comcast?
Edit: my mate at work listened to it, he says it’s a new kit manufacturer. That’ll teach me to quote twitter fuckwits.
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Are we ending the BK8 one early, or is the new one for when that runs out?
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Are we ending the BK8 one early, or is the new one for when that runs out?
See above. It’s a kit manufacturer, so replacing Castore. Apparently it’s a big brand.
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Bukta apparently.
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Return of the Macron men.
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Is it Henson again?
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Adidas
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Winfield
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Adidas
You’d hope at some point Nas would use his influence to get us a good deal with adidas.
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If it is Adidas, I wonder if they will have their name in the seats like a few other grounds. Would bump up the deal and help pay for a new stand?
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(https://i.ibb.co/qJ0Qf4x/hsvbilzhontcawjrpuqp.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qJ0Qf4x)
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If it is Adidas, I wonder if they will have their name in the seats like a few other grounds. Would bump up the deal and help pay for a new stand?
As it happens, I had a cheese dream the other night when I thought with the 2k-3k extra seats, maybe they're just planning on ripping out and replacing *all* the seats. Make them 5% narrower and you've accounted for 2000 extra seats right there.
If Adidas were to pay for the cost of those new seats, in exchange for having their name written out for however many years, it's a near cost-neutral ground expansion.
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If it is Adidas, I wonder if they will have their name in the seats like a few other grounds. Would bump up the deal and help pay for a new stand?
As it happens, I had a cheese dream the other night when I thought with the 2k-3k extra seats, maybe they're just planning on ripping out and replacing *all* the seats. Make them 5% narrower and you've accounted for 2000 extra seats right there.
If Adidas were to pay for the cost of those new seats, in exchange for having their name written out for however many years, it's a near cost-neutral ground expansion.
You might as well sell 2 tickets per seat,as you will be sitting on someones lap if they make them any smaller.
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If it is Adidas, I wonder if they will have their name in the seats like a few other grounds. Would bump up the deal and help pay for a new stand?
As it happens, I had a cheese dream the other night when I thought with the 2k-3k extra seats, maybe they're just planning on ripping out and replacing *all* the seats. Make them 5% narrower and you've accounted for 2000 extra seats right there.
If Adidas were to pay for the cost of those new seats, in exchange for having their name written out for however many years, it's a near cost-neutral ground expansion.
You might as well sell 2 tickets per seat,as you will be sitting on someones lap if they make them any smaller.
Yep, if there's one word you think of when you think about the seats at Villa park, it's "roomy".
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If it is Adidas, I wonder if they will have their name in the seats like a few other grounds. Would bump up the deal and help pay for a new stand?
As it happens, I had a cheese dream the other night when I thought with the 2k-3k extra seats, maybe they're just planning on ripping out and replacing *all* the seats. Make them 5% narrower and you've accounted for 2000 extra seats right there.
If Adidas were to pay for the cost of those new seats, in exchange for having their name written out for however many years, it's a near cost-neutral ground expansion.
You might as well sell 2 tickets per seat,as you will be sitting on someones lap if they make them any smaller.
The guy next to me always sits half on my seat despite me telling him many times, thank goodness he leaves 15 minutes before full time and I can breath out, I even told him that when I renew next season, I am going to tell ticket office I only want to pay for half a seat as he is always on mine, he ignored me ever since.
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If it is Adidas, I wonder if they will have their name in the seats like a few other grounds. Would bump up the deal and help pay for a new stand?
As it happens, I had a cheese dream the other night when I thought with the 2k-3k extra seats, maybe they're just planning on ripping out and replacing *all* the seats. Make them 5% narrower and you've accounted for 2000 extra seats right there.
If Adidas were to pay for the cost of those new seats, in exchange for having their name written out for however many years, it's a near cost-neutral ground expansion.
You might as well sell 2 tickets per seat,as you will be sitting on someones lap if they make them any smaller.
The guy next to me always sits half on my seat despite me telling him many times, thank goodness he leaves 15 minutes before full time and I can breath out, I even told him that when I renew next season, I am going to tell ticket office I only want to pay for half a seat as he is always on mine, he ignored me ever since.
Try getting there early and sitting on half of his seat first.
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The guy next to me always sits half on my seat despite me telling him many times, thank goodness he leaves 15 minutes before full time and I can breath out, I even told him that when I renew next season, I am going to tell ticket office I only want to pay for half a seat as he is always on mine, he ignored me ever since.
Warm though, in the winter months!
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Especially if he breaks wind on a regular basis.
Typical of how people are these days though, rather than accepting his bad and doing something about it (even maybe apologising) he just chooses to have a big sulk and ignore you.
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If it is Adidas, I wonder if they will have their name in the seats like a few other grounds. Would bump up the deal and help pay for a new stand?
As it happens, I had a cheese dream the other night when I thought with the 2k-3k extra seats, maybe they're just planning on ripping out and replacing *all* the seats. Make them 5% narrower and you've accounted for 2000 extra seats right there.
If Adidas were to pay for the cost of those new seats, in exchange for having their name written out for however many years, it's a near cost-neutral ground expansion.
You might as well sell 2 tickets per seat,as you will be sitting on someones lap if they make them any smaller.
The guy next to me always sits half on my seat despite me telling him many times, thank goodness he leaves 15 minutes before full time and I can breath out, I even told him that when I renew next season, I am going to tell ticket office I only want to pay for half a seat as he is always on mine, he ignored me ever since.
I had a season ticket in the Trinity and a bloke with his enormous Son ( see Harvey Price) who would sit on me every week.
I spoke to the ticket office and I got moved.
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The guy next to me always sits half on my seat despite me telling him many times, thank goodness he leaves 15 minutes before full time and I can breath out, I even told him that when I renew next season, I am going to tell ticket office I only want to pay for half a seat as he is always on mine, he ignored me ever since.
Warm though, in the winter months!
Next game, get there first and as he approaches, give him a wink and pat the seat.
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If it is Adidas, I wonder if they will have their name in the seats like a few other grounds. Would bump up the deal and help pay for a new stand?
As it happens, I had a cheese dream the other night when I thought with the 2k-3k extra seats, maybe they're just planning on ripping out and replacing *all* the seats. Make them 5% narrower and you've accounted for 2000 extra seats right there.
If Adidas were to pay for the cost of those new seats, in exchange for having their name written out for however many years, it's a near cost-neutral ground expansion.
You might as well sell 2 tickets per seat,as you will be sitting on someones lap if they make them any smaller.
The guy next to me always sits half on my seat despite me telling him many times, thank goodness he leaves 15 minutes before full time and I can breath out, I even told him that when I renew next season, I am going to tell ticket office I only want to pay for half a seat as he is always on mine, he ignored me ever since.
I had a season ticket in the Trinity and a bloke with his enormous Son ( see Harvey Price) who would sit on me every week.
I spoke to the ticket office and I got moved.
Shame, you could have bonded by bitching about his father.
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There's a very big lad sometimes has the seats next to us. It was fine at the Arsenal game as my Mrs was the other side of me, but if he comes when my mate decides to actually use his ticket I'm fucked.