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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on December 13, 2023, 05:12:11 PM
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There's one next week. Is there anything you'd like to be brought up?
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This may not be the most pressing matter, but would it be possible to ask if the club could stop playing music immediately a game ends, thus allowing the supporters a proper opportunity to show their appreciation of the team, the coach and all the staff, in a spontaneous, natural and organic way? Hi Ho Silver Lining doesn't exactly send a shiver down the spine, in fact it just kills the feeling.
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There's one next week. Is there anything you'd like to be brought up?
Kit Supplier for next season
When will we hear more about the updated crest/shield?
Likely ticket availability next season. Particularly with reduced capacity and therefore only expensive tickets being available for people who probably cant afford it.
Shit service continues. What's actually being done if anything, about it. 25 minutes for a Bovril and bottle of pop this missing 5 minutes before and after half time is taking the proverbial.
Performances on the pitch are way ahead of what we offer off it.
i.e. All the stuff we've had before that remains unanswered.
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The service in the lower Holte at least has improved the last few games, far better than the shambles at the start of he season. Agree that the kit and crest need sorting, how about a proper sew on embroidered badge like the kit in 82 rather than those horrible plastic stick on things ?
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There's one next week. Is there anything you'd like to be brought up?
Can you ask them to make sure we win every home game for the rest of the 21st century ?
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Agree also about Hi- Hi S.L. It's a bloody Wolves song and sounds so cheesy playing music straight after the game.
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Do they have any stats about the take up of "Terrace View" and "The Lower Grounds"?
I despise both of these prawn sandwich ideas and it's made it difficult to get tickets even if you've got a claret membership.
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Do they have any stats about the take up of "Terrace View" and "The Lower Grounds"?
I despise both of these prawn sandwich ideas and it's made it difficult to get tickets even if you've got a claret membership.
Do you honestly think they're going to say anything except they're both rip-roaring successes?
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There's one next week. Is there anything you'd like to be brought up?
I’ll ask a nice selfish one Dave.
As a season ticket holder in Upper Witton Lane I’d like to know what plans they have to improve any of the facilities in that area of the ground, other than a coat of anti-slip on the steps I don’t think they’ve spent a penny of those season ticket increases even on up keep let alone improvements in years. The seats are fading, the toilets are a wreck…we won’t mention the catering offering and standards of service.
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Ask why the food in "Lower Grounds" is so poor, why the PA system they use in there is so bad, why the atmosphere in there is non existant and how they have the audacity to charge so much for such below average product.
If on the pitch its 1982 our hospitality throught the ground is worse than 2016 with Remi Garde running the bar...
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What the plans are for current North Stand ST holders next season given the stand is being knocked down?
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Have they finished the 'upgrade' of the non-terrace view Holte Upper concourse? As far as I can tell what they've done is rip out the big toilet, then replace it with a smaller one and a hatch that could've been built by a year 10 in DT class to sell lager. There's certainly room there for one of the tap and go facilities they have in the Holte Lower. Or for the toilets back.
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Are there any plans to buy the old Aston Hotel. It'd make a great pub.
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There may not be an answer but do the club know anything more about the upgrade to Witton Station?
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This may not be the most pressing matter, but would it be possible to ask if the club could stop playing music immediately a game ends, thus allowing the supporters a proper opportunity to show their appreciation of the team, the coach and all the staff, in a spontaneous, natural and organic way? Hi Ho Silver Lining doesn't exactly send a shiver down the spine, in fact it just kills the feeling.
Agreed. Maybe their solution is to print song sheets with the words as Villa fans since 1967 couldn't be arsed to learn the words.
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There's one next week. Is there anything you'd like to be brought up?
I’ll ask a nice selfish one Dave.
As a season ticket holder in Upper Witton Lane I’d like to know what plans they have to improve any of the facilities in that area of the ground, other than a coat of anti-slip on the steps I don’t think they’ve spent a penny of those season ticket increases even on up keep let alone improvements in years. The seats are fading, the toilets are a wreck…we won’t mention the catering offering and standards of service.
I would also ask if they can get round to unblocking the urinal in the men’s toilet at the end of the Upper Witton. Blocked and overflowing for Man City, and still overflowing for the Arsenal game. Doubled the length of the queue to most of half time just to have a piss.
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+1 for dreadful service at half time in the Lower Holte.
As long as the staff are told to carry on pouring cider from cans and pints from scratch it’ll never get any better. Similarly to Drummond, it took me 20 mins to get just one Bovril on Saturday.
Might a beer-only queue help?
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This may not be the most pressing matter, but would it be possible to ask if the club could stop playing music immediately a game ends, thus allowing the supporters a proper opportunity to show their appreciation of the team, the coach and all the staff, in a spontaneous, natural and organic way? Hi Ho Silver Lining doesn't exactly send a shiver down the spine, in fact it just kills the feeling.
Agree on this - I don’t even go to games, but all I want at the end is to relish the fans enjoying another victory on the tv feed for a few moments.
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This is not exactly a request but I've given up trying to do anything at half time except queue up for the toilets.
It's not an experience I want to bother with given that you have to miss the the last ten minutes of the first half just to get a pint so that you can be back in your seat for second half kick off.
The prices as well put me off.
Not a great business model when people are just not bothering...
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A plus point and request to pass on a pat on the back for the stewarding in the lower Holte. I saw several parents with young kids being looked after on the concourse when the ketchup was flying over into the stand at the Legia game.
There were a few standing next to the gates when the idiots were kicking them and they weren’t going anywhere. A few of us stood with them just in case so please pass this onto the club.
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Another for what's happening for ST holders in the North Stand? Where are we going to be offered and at what cost? Plus will we get first choice on seats in the new North Stand?
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There's one next week. Is there anything you'd like to be brought up?
I’ll ask a nice selfish one Dave.
As a season ticket holder in Upper Witton Lane I’d like to know what plans they have to improve any of the facilities in that area of the ground, other than a coat of anti-slip on the steps I don’t think they’ve spent a penny of those season ticket increases even on up keep let alone improvements in years. The seats are fading, the toilets are a wreck…we won’t mention the catering offering and standards of service.
As much as the rest of us moan about service and toilets, the upper Witton is by far the worst. You simply can't get a beer, which is just as well because if you do there's no chance of getting in for a piss at half time. Excellent view, shittest facilities. But with the space, I'm not sure what the club can do other than use some of the 'corporate' space below, and that's never happening. They could have mobile beer sellers with drinks on their back - has that ever been tried?
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There's one next week. Is there anything you'd like to be brought up?
I’ll ask a nice selfish one Dave.
As a season ticket holder in Upper Witton Lane I’d like to know what plans they have to improve any of the facilities in that area of the ground, other than a coat of anti-slip on the steps I don’t think they’ve spent a penny of those season ticket increases even on up keep let alone improvements in years. The seats are fading, the toilets are a wreck…we won’t mention the catering offering and standards of service.
As much as the rest of us moan about service and toilets, the upper Witton is by far the worst. You simply can't get a beer, which is just as well because if you do there's no chance of getting in for a piss at half time. Excellent view, shittest facilities. But with the space, I'm not sure what the club can do other than use some of the 'corporate' space below, and that's never happening. They could have mobile beer sellers with drinks on their back - has that ever been tried?
Would it be too much or possible to close the road and witton and offer facilities there ?
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Do they have any idea when safe standing works are happening in the upper Holte. No sign of them yet and it's all gone quiet
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There's one next week. Is there anything you'd like to be brought up?
I’ll ask a nice selfish one Dave.
As a season ticket holder in Upper Witton Lane I’d like to know what plans they have to improve any of the facilities in that area of the ground, other than a coat of anti-slip on the steps I don’t think they’ve spent a penny of those season ticket increases even on up keep let alone improvements in years. The seats are fading, the toilets are a wreck…we won’t mention the catering offering and standards of service.
As much as the rest of us moan about service and toilets, the upper Witton is by far the worst. You simply can't get a beer, which is just as well because if you do there's no chance of getting in for a piss at half time. Excellent view, shittest facilities. But with the space, I'm not sure what the club can do other than use some of the 'corporate' space below, and that's never happening. They could have mobile beer sellers with drinks on their back - has that ever been tried?
That would involve the inclination to want to improve facilities…there is none of that…they are only interested in things that generate more money ie new fans. They work on the majority will accept it as is, if not they will fill that seat with someone else.
They should rename it the ‘Excellent View Shit Facilities Stand’ :-)
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In the Upper Witton there could be a couple of mobile beer sellers at the end as that area isn’t as crowded as the central area where the serving hatch is.
The idea of some use of Witton Lane for the lower could work as that road is closed anyway for some time either side of the match. It just needs to be stuff that is easy to wheel/drive in and out either side of the closure.
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Not an urgent one but if time permits could you ask if there are any plans for a permanent memorial for Charlie Aitken given that his appearance record is unlikely to be broken. Not suggesting a statue or stand naming but perhaps a Players Award or lounge named in his memory.
I’m aware that this may be a generational thing but I’m sure there are still many of us who saw him play and acknowledge what a great servant of the club he was.
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I'd be curious about safe standing plans for VP. We went from one the main supporters for it a decade ago to seemingly being one of the last to do anything now you can actually have it.
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I'd be interested to know how they plan to make tickets available to members next season, given the number of tickets will probably be lower than the number of members. Are they planning on having a ballot for home games to ensure everyone gets a chance of attending games, or will it be the usual free-for-all on a Monday evening?
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Obvious question; is the African Car Reverser finally getting a statue?
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Not an urgent one but if time permits could you ask if there are any plans for a permanent memorial for Charlie Aitken given that his appearance record is unlikely to be broken. Not suggesting a statue or stand naming but perhaps a Players Award or lounge named in his memory.
I’m aware that this may be a generational thing but I’m sure there are still many of us who saw him play and acknowledge what a great servant of the club he was.
He was always my favourite player at the time.
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Not an urgent one but if time permits could you ask if there are any plans for a permanent memorial for Charlie Aitken given that his appearance record is unlikely to be broken. Not suggesting a statue or stand naming but perhaps a Players Award or lounge named in his memory.
I’m aware that this may be a generational thing but I’m sure there are still many of us who saw him play and acknowledge what a great servant of the club he was.
Given he joined the club at 17, youth player of the year feels like it should be named after him.
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Not an urgent one but if time permits could you ask if there are any plans for a permanent memorial for Charlie Aitken given that his appearance record is unlikely to be broken. Not suggesting a statue or stand naming but perhaps a Players Award or lounge named in his memory.
I’m aware that this may be a generational thing but I’m sure there are still many of us who saw him play and acknowledge what a great servant of the club he was.
Great Post, I'd like to second that please Dave.
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Not an urgent one but if time permits could you ask if there are any plans for a permanent memorial for Charlie Aitken given that his appearance record is unlikely to be broken. Not suggesting a statue or stand naming but perhaps a Players Award or lounge named in his memory.
I’m aware that this may be a generational thing but I’m sure there are still many of us who saw him play and acknowledge what a great servant of the club he was.
Given he joined the club at 17, youth player of the year feels like it should be named after him.
Seconded!
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Not an urgent one but if time permits could you ask if there are any plans for a permanent memorial for Charlie Aitken given that his appearance record is unlikely to be broken. Not suggesting a statue or stand naming but perhaps a Players Award or lounge named in his memory.
I’m aware that this may be a generational thing but I’m sure there are still many of us who saw him play and acknowledge what a great servant of the club he was.
Great Post, I'd like to second that please Dave.
Might as well put in a double tender and get Into Emery up while we're at it. Save some money.
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Not an easy one, but a change in the way of allocating away tickets to allow a broader range of people to attend them including members, but still rewarding loyalty
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Not an easy one, but a change in the way of allocating away tickets to allow a broader range of people to attend them including members, but still rewarding loyalty
Don't quote me but I think that's being looked at.
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Taking the maximum allocation from the start for the Boro cup game instead of worrying about paying for unsold tickets would have showed they cared about broadening the away following. If they really felt we wouldn’t sell 4,800 when there are so many people desperate for the chance to go to an away game then they really don’t know the fan base at this moment in time. We’d have shifted that many just on general sale let alone all the season ticket holders who missed out and members who never got a sniff.
It was possibly the only chance this season for a lot of fans, or even regular away fans who might want to take family with them for a change.
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Minutes from Wednesday's meeting will be released at 5pm. If by any chance I'm busy then look somewhere else.
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Hi Dave, did these appear anywhere?
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an Advisory Board 20th December 2023 Villa Park
Club representatives
Chris Heck President of Business Operations
Ben Hatton Chief Operating Officer
Paul Tyrrell Chief Corporate Affairs & Security Officer
Tommy Jordan Communications Director
Lynne O’Reardon Head of Ticketing
Lee Preece Supporter Liaison Manager
Agenda items and comments provided by Fan Representatives are shown in normal text.
Club agenda items or responses are shown in blue italics.
1. Accessible Seating update
The club continues to work on a road map to compliance, given that we need 220 wheelchair spaces and currently have 105 spaces, with that number increasing in each of the last two seasons.
Any new areas that are introduced will need engineering and structural works and will require the loss of existing seating areas (to reach compliance, we need accessible seating in all four stands). However, as discussed in item 2, we are looking to increase capacity by maximising the efficiency of existing seating which will help mitigate seat loss for anyone affected by the loss of their seat.
There is an issue with the lack of dropped kerbs near Holte Pub. Trinity Road does not have a dropped kerb until the burger vans.
This will be an issue for the council. We will ask our newly appointed Transport Officer to liaise on this accordingly.
2. Villa Park re-development
Whilst the plans for the North Stand have been announced as being on hold, the commitment to improve facilities across the stadium will begin as soon as possible. For clarity, rumours on social media suggesting that this decision will result in a new stadium elsewhere are entirely false. Moving away from Villa Park is not part of any plans.
To increase capacity, we can change the seating layout in some areas to add approximately 2 to 3,000 seats. Any increase in seat numbers will clearly need to be aligned with improvements to concourse, toilets, food & beverage provision etc. Our owners will be investing significantly into upgrading facilities across Villa Park.
We are working closely with UEFA and the FA with regards to Euro 2028.
3. Club Commercial Strategy
How will the club maximise sponsorship and what targets are in place to “close the gap”?
The club is active across the globe, with staff on two continents pushing hard. All options are being explored. Fans need to be mindful that we are operating within the parameters of existing deals and contractual commitments, some of which are multiyear deals. Sponsorship can have the most significant positive impact on our compliance with FFP.
4. V Sports Partnership
What do the club gain from a sporting and commercial perspective?
The V sports partnership provides access to a network of sporting talent.
Update on Las Vegas Villans?
This is unlikely to happen.
5. Terrace View & Lower Grounds
Are these areas selling out?
Both areas are selling well. Terrace View has over 500 season ticket holders, and spaces are being sold on a match-to-match basis. Lower Grounds patronage is also growing, with over 600 fans using the facility versus Arsenal.
As we get used to selling patterns etc we are beginning to balance ticketing between GA and GA+, ensuring tickets are released back to GA when appropriate.
6. Ticket Office Opening Times
When tickets go on sale at 5pm the ticket office is closed.
The 5pm window was originally designed to encourage on-line sales and has been successfully operating for approx. 6 years. We always have staff monitoring sales windows and as recently demonstrated when there was a (worldwide) issue with the payment system, we were on hand to contact 3rd party providers.
Phone Lines close between 1pm and 2pm when some fans might need to call during their lunch break.
We have recently recruited an additional two staff in the call centre, so can review this policy. However, having half the staff available between 12pm and 2pm might not make it easier to get through (compared to having all staff take their break at the same time).
To help reduce the number of calls, are we any nearer allowing fans to upgrade tickets on-line?
We are in the final stages of testing, where season tickets are held within the app. Once this testing is concluded this will allow fans to upgrade (via the app) on occasion where concessions cannot attend.
7. Matchday Music
Fans have provided feedback to Fan Reps on volume levels in the build up to kick-off.
Anyone who feels the volume levels are too high or too low in their area can drop the club a note and we will investigate. However, achieving the perfect balance for everyone across the stadium is impossible to achieve! We have received feedback in the past from fans in the same area with differing opinion on sound levels.
We do aim to build the volume towards kick-off, but as experienced in the last home matches, the noise from the crowd can drown out anything from the speakers!
8. Middlesbrough FA Cup allocation
The club took the full allocation available to us and sold out at the season ticket holder window.
9. Crest
The club confirmed the recently released AV 150 mark is not the new crest and will be used as a mark to help celebrate our 150th year. For example, it is likely to appear on the back of our shirts next season.
The club outlined to the group thoughts on the previous consultation that resulted in the round crest, reasons why it was felt that a change was needed and confirmed results from the fans survey which have played the major role in creating our new crest.
A video was shown to the group which outlined the results of this process and introduced the new crest. Discussion was held around the consultative process, and the club confirmed that the FA have been consulted throughout.
The video highlighted that the Club had 16,000 responses to the 85,000 survey mailings with the suggested crest being designed as a result of those responses.
81% of respondents wanted the name of the Club in the crest whilst 85% wanted the European Cup commemorative star incorporated. The majority of respondents felt that the shield shape was preferable and within that the left facing lion rampant completed the responses.
The Club presented a draft crest for discussion and whilst not universally popular neither was it universally unpopular. There were no suggested changes.
Having now completed the detailed consultation process, the Club will look to announce the new crest in approximately two weeks from the meeting, and the crest will then be rolled out across the summer.
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Thanks Dave.
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85% wanted the star? Hmmm...
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The Club presented a draft crest for discussion and whilst not universally popular neither was it universally unpopular. There were no suggested changes.
Think this sums it up every change they make at the club.
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How many people responded to the first survey they sent round which gave us the round badge?
Then they've had answers from 16,000 in another survey, designed something of the back of it, nobody liked it or hated it, didn't make any comments so they just shrugged and walked off?
Sounds like it's going to be a belter! Why pretend with the "we asked the fans" bollocks.
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So we are now increasing to 45k by shoving a few more seats closer together?
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So we are now increasing to 45k by shoving a few more seats closer together?
Why should the North Stand-ers be the only ones crammed into their Ryanair seats? High time we got all Michael O'Leary (Dolly's cousin?) on the asses of the Holtenders and Trinity gentry.
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What utter wankspanner asked a question about the Las Vegas MLS expansion? 5 seconds on Google would tell them they lost out much earlier this year.
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What was the draft crest like?
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What about Hi Ho Silver Lining, and the dropping thereof?
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So we are now increasing to 45k by shoving a few more seats closer together?
I wonder if they could reconfigure the lower north to add more rows and make it steeper? I think it’s seats on old terracing isn’t it?
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What about Hi Ho Silver Lining, and the dropping thereof?
I don't mind HHSL after a statement win, but then I really liked DLBIA. Sweet Caroline can get tae f*ck though.
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So we are now increasing to 45k by shoving a few more seats closer together?
I wonder if they could reconfigure the lower north to add more rows and make it steeper? I think it’s seats on old terracing isn’t it?
It's really tight in the lower North Stand as it is. The only area I can think is the corner of the Holte and Doug Ellis, but would that be an extra 2000 - 3000?
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I would love Villa to have our own theme song. can't stand Hi Ho or Caroline.
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What about Hi Ho Silver Lining, and the dropping thereof?
I don't mind HHSL after a statement win, but then I really liked DLBIA. Sweet Caroline can get tae f*ck though.
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It's a pity more details on capacity increase/redevelopment of ground weren't discussed. Hope the club update us fully, soon.
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I would love Villa to have our own theme song. can't stand Hi Ho or Caroline.
The Twang - Either way...... would be my choice
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What about Hi Ho Silver Lining, and the dropping thereof?
I don't mind HHSL after a statement win, but then I really liked DLBIA. Sweet Caroline can get tae f*ck though.
Agree on HHSL......it was awesome at the end of the Arsenal game - so loud it gave me goosebumps! At least they got rid of that screeching racket entrance music! Ozzy's Crazy Train is much better....
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I would love Villa to have our own theme song. can't stand Hi Ho or Caroline.
The Twang - Either way...... would be my choice
Me too, I've suggested it a few times on here.
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I would love Villa to have our own theme song. can't stand Hi Ho or Caroline.
The Twang - Either way...... would be my choice
Me too, I've suggested it a few times on here.
Whatever your thoughts on it as song (it's not for me), I can't imagine anyone thinking it would be a good one to get the stadium going.
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https://villatrust.org.uk/fan-advisory-board-villa-park-redevelopment-new-crest/
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Good to see the Trust actually standing up for itself and the wider fanbase. It looks like the new crest is even more of a put up job than Purslow's effort.
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Time to boycott these meetings. They are clearly a sham to tick a Premier League box,
What is the virtue or point of being “in the the know” to attend a one way talking shop which doesn’t serve the purpose it claims?
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Time to boycott these meetings. They are clearly a sham to tick a Premier League box,
What is the virtue or point of being “in the the know” to attend a one way talking shop which doesn’t serve the purpose it claims?
Absolutely Jon. It's good to hear from the likes of Dave and the Trust after these, but I think a few other attendees are a bit too awestruck to be perfectly honest.
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Time to boycott these meetings. They are clearly a sham to tick a Premier League box,
What is the virtue or point of being “in the the know” to attend a one way talking shop which doesn’t serve the purpose it claims?
The food's nice.
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Good to see the Trust actually standing up for itself and the wider fanbase. It looks like the new crest is even more of a put up job than Purslow's effort.
Agreed, and at least Purslow had been CEO for almost five years so would have had more of a feel for the club, rather than a hired gun who'd been in the door 5 minutes.
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I absolutely do not trust Heck, Hatton or any of these fucking shysters.
That stuff about the north stand is pathetic.
Also saying we’re not selling out by a couple of hundred individual seats scattered around the ground is incredibly misleading.
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Are they really binning the North Stand development because they don’t sell 0.5% of tickets in a 42,000 capacity? That will be singles dotted around the ground surely.
They must have convinced themselves that a 30,000 waiting list does not contain 10,000 fans that would buy a season ticket. The message has changed completely since this guy walked through the door.
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Are they really binning the North Stand development because they don’t sell 0.5% of tickets in a 42,000 capacity? That will be singles dotted around the ground surely.
They must have convinced themselves that a 30,000 waiting list does not contain 10,000 fans that would buy a season ticket. The message has changed completely since this guy walked through the door.
I'd rather them just tell us they don't want to spend the money on a rebuild rather than the BS excuses. Being treated like I'm an idiot puts me off wanting to go to matches more than anything else.
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If we spend £100m + on a couple of players in January, I’d rather that than expansion.
The team comes first, right ?
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Are they really binning the North Stand development because they don’t sell 0.5% of tickets in a 42,000 capacity? That will be singles dotted around the ground surely.
They must have convinced themselves that a 30,000 waiting list does not contain 10,000 fans that would buy a season ticket. The message has changed completely since this guy walked through the door.
It is absolute bullshit.
What bothers me most is we're having a spell of great stuff happening on the pitch, but with the changing, scaling back and now cancellation of the stadium expansion they went back on, with the utter sea of bullshit around the badge prevarication plus the treating us like fucking morons, the corporatisation of the Holte, the absolute total lack of respect shown to the FAB - all of this is sucking the joy and ambition out of what we are doing.
A hotch potch of added seats around the ground, the bowl-isation of what we have thus wrecking the traditional four stands format of the ground which is one major reason it is so loved as traditional, Jesus Christ, it's Ellis-esque.
What they want is a few more seats but a significantly increased revenue per fan - ie much more expensive tickets.
What a bunch of shysters.
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If we spend £100m + on a couple of players in January, I’d rather that than expansion.
The team comes first, right ?
We can't spend endlessly on players because of FFP.
We CAN spend what we want on infrastructure improvements, as that is not in the purview of FFP.
Oh, and the reason their answers in that meeting suggest they would rather spend it on players is EXACTLY to provoke responses along the lines of yours (not having a go at you) - it is "just suggest we're spending the cash on players instead, that'll shut them up".
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I absolutely do not trust Heck, Hatton or any of these fucking shysters.
That stuff about the north stand is pathetic.
Also saying we’re not selling out by a couple of hundred individual seats scattered around the ground is incredibly misleading.
Exactly.
In a 42,000 seating arena 200 not being sold is as close to "sold out" as you will ever get. Similar unsold numbers apply to almost every stadium in the world, so yes quite pathetic excuse.
I do have a very bad feeling about Heck's appointment. New strategy could be to get the team into Champions League and then sell the club and Heck is here to make that happen with minimum investment from now on.
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I absolutely do not trust Heck, Hatton or any of these fucking shysters.
That stuff about the north stand is pathetic.
Also saying we’re not selling out by a couple of hundred individual seats scattered around the ground is incredibly misleading.
Exactly.
In a 42,000 seating arena 200 not being sold is as close to "sold out" as you will ever get. Similar unsold numbers apply to almost every stadium in the world, so yes quite pathetic excuse.
I do have a very bad feeling about Heck's appointment. New strategy could be to get the team into Champions League and then sell the club and Heck is here to make that happen with minimum investment from now on.
I guess getting into the champions league will also legitimise another 15% + increase to season tickets in their eyes as well - squeezing more out of the existing fanbase as mentioned. That would push a lot of tickets towards £1,000 - unthinkable a few years ago.
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I bet most of the unsold seats are hospitality too. That is probably the reason. The investment in the North Stand was focused on doubling the hospitality, which in turn, generates the big returns. If they can’t sell what we have now, then adding another 2000+ won’t generate the required revenue.
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The 30k waiting list is clearly utter bullshit. If they had an inkling that 30,000 new people genuinely wanted to buy a season ticket, they’d be starting the rebuild with their own hands today. Complete horseshit.
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The corporate in a new North Stand will be purpose built and appropriate. The LG and TV are botched add ons.
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If we spend £100m + on a couple of players in January, I’d rather that than expansion.
The team comes first, right ?
We can't spend endlessly on players because of FFP.
We CAN spend what we want on infrastructure improvements, as that is not in the purview of FFP.
Oh, and the reason their answers in that meeting suggest they would rather spend it on players is EXACTLY to provoke responses along the lines of yours (not having a go at you) - it is "just suggest we're spending the cash on players instead, that'll shut them up".
Also, basically saying “sorry chaps, you can’t have a new stand AND new signings” in the week we announce a new infrastructure investment partner who you’d imagine were brought in to provide funding for stuff like new stands, is treating everybody like idiots.
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The corporate in a new North Stand will be purpose built and appropriate. The LG and TV are botched add ons.
[/quotThe corporate in a new North Stand will be purpose built and appropriate. The LG and TV are botched add ons.
The project has been cancelled.
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The 30k waiting list is clearly utter bullshit. If they had an inkling that 30,000 new people genuinely wanted to buy a season ticket, they’d be starting the rebuild with their own hands today. Complete horseshit.
We know that 30,000 don’t genuinely want to buy season tickets, but it’s not ‘utter bullshit’. It’s a list of 35,000 people who say they want to buy a season ticket. If it was utter bullshit me and my two kids would have one (or three) by now.
I’d be interested to know if anybody here has moved up and by how many?
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I'd imagine that at least part of the reason that some people are on the ST waiting list is the perception of ambition that we have been giving off since the new owners came in, Heck is fucking that up. I'm sure he was a big part of getting the new investors in so he's not going anywhere soon but he's not been impressive.
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The 30k waiting list is clearly utter bullshit. If they had an inkling that 30,000 new people genuinely wanted to buy a season ticket, they’d be starting the rebuild with their own hands today. Complete horseshit.
We know that 30,000 don’t genuinely want to buy season tickets, but it’s not ‘utter bullshit’. It’s a list of 35,000 people who say they want to buy a season ticket. If it was utter bullshit me and my two kids would have one (or three) by now.
I’d be interested to know if anybody here has moved up and by how many?
My lad moved by 2000 last summer. Now 16000
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The 30k waiting list is clearly utter bullshit. If they had an inkling that 30,000 new people genuinely wanted to buy a season ticket, they’d be starting the rebuild with their own hands today. Complete horseshit.
We know that 30,000 don’t genuinely want to buy season tickets, but it’s not ‘utter bullshit’. It’s a list of 35,000 people who say they want to buy a season ticket. If it was utter bullshit me and my two kids would have one (or three) by now.
I’d be interested to know if anybody here has moved up and by how many?
My lad moved by 2000 last summer. Now 16000
Cheers LV. I had to drop from 29,000 to the bottom to add my daughter.
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The 30k waiting list is clearly utter bullshit. If they had an inkling that 30,000 new people genuinely wanted to buy a season ticket, they’d be starting the rebuild with their own hands today. Complete horseshit.
We know that 30,000 don’t genuinely want to buy season tickets, but it’s not ‘utter bullshit’. It’s a list of 35,000 people who say they want to buy a season ticket. If it was utter bullshit me and my two kids would have one (or three) by now.
I’d be interested to know if anybody here has moved up and by how many?
I'd agree with that. There also people like and my uncle and me who'd probably go halves on one if they were available but aren't on the waiting list.
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The 30k waiting list is clearly utter bullshit. If they had an inkling that 30,000 new people genuinely wanted to buy a season ticket, they’d be starting the rebuild with their own hands today. Complete horseshit.
We know that 30,000 don’t genuinely want to buy season tickets, but it’s not ‘utter bullshit’. It’s a list of 35,000 people who say they want to buy a season ticket. If it was utter bullshit me and my two kids would have one (or three) by now.
I’d be interested to know if anybody here has moved up and by how many?
I'd agree with that. There also people like and my uncle and me who'd probably go halves on one if they were available but aren't on the waiting list.
The people that would normally give up their ticket are now selling to people like you. that is exactly what the club want, a season ticket is something to be handed down in your Will not given away because you can’t be bothered one season. They (rightly) want having a season ticket to be privilege that’s not given up easily.
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I absolutely do not trust Heck, Hatton or any of these fucking shysters.
That stuff about the north stand is pathetic.
Also saying we’re not selling out by a couple of hundred individual seats scattered around the ground is incredibly misleading.
Exactly.
In a 42,000 seating arena 200 not being sold is as close to "sold out" as you will ever get. Similar unsold numbers apply to almost every stadium in the world, so yes quite pathetic excuse.
I do have a very bad feeling about Heck's appointment. New strategy could be to get the team into Champions League and then sell the club and Heck is here to make that happen with minimum investment from now on.
If they can get us into the Champions League with minimum investment I wouldn't be all that fussed what they do afterwards.
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Since the day Heck walked in he has acted like a little dictator on the new badge, corporate in the Holte and now the new North Stand.
Something smells very fishy.
Just as we are going places on the pitch things seem to be all over the place off it.
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Re 30k waiting list. It is true. However: tons of anonmalies with it. People are duplicated on it for starters and loads from abroad based (who would they realistically buy one?) true number nearer the 12k mark
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I bet most of the unsold seats are hospitality too. That is probably the reason. The investment in the North Stand was focused on doubling the hospitality, which in turn, generates the big returns. If they can’t sell what we have now, then adding another 2000+ won’t generate the required revenue.
Maybe they can't sell what they have now because the corporate offer for the North Stand is not compelling. That would have changed in an all mod cons new one.
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Are they making the link that they cant sell all the 'corporate' stuff in the Holte, the LG and VV, so there can't be the demand for it in the new North so they aren't building it? That can't be it surely.
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Are they making the link that they cant sell all the 'corporate' stuff in the Holte, the LG and VV, so there can't be the demand for it in the new North so they aren't building it? That can't be it surely.
I doubt that's it. There's a massive waiting list for corporate in the Trinity.
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No it cant. If I wasn't so opposed to it I might shell out £100 occasionally for an upgrade for a match but I'm not in the position to pay £10k-20k a season for facilities in the the new NS, its an offer to a completely different kind of fan. But I do get a sniff of a spot of emotional blackmail here, - your not behind or buying our 'enhanced offer' so we are not upgrading the ground.
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Purslow made one big mistake in 5 years. Thankfully, fixing a bad football managerial appointment is straightforward.
Heck has made two massive mistakes in 6 months. He has left us with two badges in one season and a third on the way and he has shelved the most important infrastructural development we have seen in over 20 years. I honestly think the new stand is critical to our growth. You build when riding high. I have no doubt we will fill the new stand but if we don't build it we will miss out, massively on the current upward trajectory of the club.
Heck's mistakes are not so easy to fix.
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It would not be the first time an organisation gets a critical appointment wrong.
An old saying, surround yourself with talent and be wary of idiots with power.
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What do the Philly 76ers fans / media think of his time there?
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What do the Philly 76ers fans / media think of his time there?
I have no idea, but the difference between Villa fans and American sports fans could not be more stark.
Also the job he has been given here is completely different to his remit there.
I would rather look at what he has done so far at Villa and he is a walking disaster area.
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Americans are richer too, as the UK gave up a good 70 odd years ago. Average wage in Philie is around £25,000 higher than Brum.
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What do the Philly 76ers fans / media think of his time there?
I have no idea, but the difference between Villa fans and American sports fans could not be more stark.
Also the job he has been given here is completely different to his remit there.
I would rather look at what he has done so far at Villa and he is a walking disaster area.
I was just thinking back of the Brown's fans comments when old Randy Lerner was here and any similarities.
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Heck really does remind me of Tom Fox, and until he gets something right, that thought is not going anyway. He's making what appear to be bad decisions and his communication for a so-called marketing expert is woeful.
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Heck really does remind me of Tom Fox, and until he gets something right, that thought is not going anyway. He's making what appear to be bad decisions and his communication for a so-called marketing expert is woeful.
The owners have got pretty much everything spot on so far.
The comms around the redevelopment are poor - I am still unsure what exactly the new Comcast partners are going to be helping with?
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Democratising decisions is a silly way to run a company. It doesn't matter what I want, it matters what you think works best; you're paid to make decisions, so make them. Give lip service to compliance and crack on.
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He probably wants to move our ‘franchise’ to London as even Wet Spam are getting 64k gates there.
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I've always said that there can't be many clubs as big as Villa that have been as badly run as we have over such a prolonged period of time. I thought those days were behind us, but the new guy seems to be making one cock up after another. Alienating the fan base, and now this. It's so small time it could be the reincarnation of Deadly Doug.
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I've always said that there can't be many clubs as big as Villa that have been as badly run as we have over such a prolonged period of time. I thought those days were behind us, but the new guy seems to be making one cock up after another. Alienating the fan base, and now this. It's so small time it could be the reincarnation of Deadly Doug.
He’s scrapped a mediocre badge and put the brakes on a new stand (I’m sure the real reason will be made clear within a few years).
Other than a few poor interviews, I’m not really sure what the fuss is.
There isn’t enough to judge Heck on yet. He certainly will not be doing a great deal without consulting our owners.
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Since the day Heck walked in he has acted like a little dictator on the new badge, corporate in the Holte and now the new North Stand.
Something smells very fishy.
Just as we are going places on the pitch things seem to be all over the place off it.
This.
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Heck really does remind me of Tom Fox, and until he gets something right, that thought is not going anyway. He's making what appear to be bad decisions and his communication for a so-called marketing expert is woeful.
They both remind me of just about every managerial suit I've ever encountered. The MO seems to be to smarmly corporatespeak where many have smarmed before, then claim their new waffle is not a total reversal of what they gushed five seconds ago, but rather a bright new dawn based on the genius of their blue sky brilliance.
I think the only real qualification - beyond grabbing the right coattails - is an inability to feel embarrassed.
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Heck really does remind me of Tom Fox, and until he gets something right, that thought is not going anyway. He's making what appear to be bad decisions and his communication for a so-called marketing expert is woeful.
I think the biggest problem for me isn't so much the ham fisted "bull in a china shop" way of dealing with questions that nobody has asked, although that is irritating as fuck, but its his complete & utter lack of respect, which borders on contempt, that he shows to the fans as he lies his way through problem after problem.
41 year anniversary?
My arse...
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was anything mentioned about away ticket allocations and the stranglehold on tickets by what has become a closed shop group. I was under the impression the club were reviewing this area
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Heck really does remind me of Tom Fox, and until he gets something right, that thought is not going anyway. He's making what appear to be bad decisions and his communication for a so-called marketing expert is woeful.
They both remind me of just about every managerial suit I've ever encountered. The MO seems to be to smarmly corporatespeak where many have smarmed before, then claim their new waffle is not a total reversal of what they gushed five seconds ago, but rather a bright new dawn based on the genius of their blue sky brilliance.
I think the only real qualification - beyond grabbing the right coattails - is an inability to feel embarrassed.
Yep. The superpower that most 'executives' have, is a brass neck that C3P0 would be proud of.
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https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2023/12/28/aston-villa-fans-contact-fa-over-latest-badge-redesign/
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Good to see some pushback against Heck who has acted like an autocrat since day one. It was alarming when he binned our new badge in the summer and lied through his teeth describing it as a one season homage to 1982 in the 41st year anniversary and a season after already did the 40th celebration.
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Also, basically saying “sorry chaps, you can’t have a new stand AND new signings” in the week we announce a new infrastructure investment partner who you’d imagine were brought in to provide funding for stuff like new stands, is treating everybody like idiots.
I think this is absolutely spot on. As is the treating us like idiots bit.
If I had to guess, these guys are here, as the club said to invest in infrastructure (remember, the club does not own the ground, in legal terms, it is owned by another company NSWE set up, which is probably how they've structured the 'AVFC remains under 100% control of Wes and Nas' part), and the reason we're getting this half-hearted, add a few thousand seats compromise is because they're investing in building a new stadium - whether that be on the current site or elsewhere - and, given that, they can't justify spunking over 100m on a stand which will be demolished in 5 years.
And given then above, they have decided they don't want to tell the fanbase this yet, as it'll create a huge amount of noise, so they've opted for obfuscation and nonsense.
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Also, basically saying “sorry chaps, you can’t have a new stand AND new signings” in the week we announce a new infrastructure investment partner who you’d imagine were brought in to provide funding for stuff like new stands, is treating everybody like idiots.
I think this is absolutely spot on. As is the treating us like idiots bit.
If I had to guess, these guys are here, as the club said to invest in infrastructure (remember, the club does not own the ground, in legal terms, it is owned by another company NSWE set up, which is probably how they've structured the 'AVFC remains under 100% control of Wes and Nas' part), and the reason we're getting this half-hearted, add a few thousand seats compromise is because they're investing in building a new stadium - whether that be on the current site or elsewhere - and, given that, they can't justify spunking over 100m on a stand which will be demolished in 5 years.
And given then above, they have decided they don't want to tell the fanbase this yet, as it'll create a huge amount of noise, so they've opted for obfuscation and nonsense.
If you look back at it paulie, they said AVFC remains 100% under V sports control. These Comcast guys have bought into V sports. So basically they are our new co-owners.
“ V Sports S.C.S. (“V Sports”), a joint venture of Nassef Sawiris and Wesley Edens and the owner of Aston Villa FC Limited and Aston Villa Women’s Football Club Limited (together, “AVFC” or the “Club”), is pleased to announce that it has entered into an agreement with Atairos to become a partner in V Sports. V Sports will continue to own 100% of AVFC post-closing of the transaction and will continue to have full control of all decisions at AVFC.”
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Exactly right Perce. V Sports owns 100% of Aston Villa, it's just that the Comcast company now own a percentage of V Sports, so indirectly own the same percentage of Villa.
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Exactly right Perce. V Sports owns 100% of Aston Villa, it's just that the Comcast company now own a percentage of V Sports, so indirectly own the same percentage of Villa.
We must have the richest non-nation state owners in the PL.
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And given then above, they have decided they don't want to tell the fanbase this yet, as it'll create a huge amount of noise, so they've opted for obfuscation and nonsense.
This wouldn’t be so bad but I fear the real answer is worse and Heck’s only personal targets are financial!
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And given then above, they have decided they don't want to tell the fanbase this yet, as it'll create a huge amount of noise, so they've opted for obfuscation and nonsense.
This wouldn’t be so bad but I fear the real answer is worse and Heck’s only personal targets are financial!
That's my feeling too Jon. I don't think they're looking at a new site, as that's a ten year plan, and if they don't want to knock down the North Stand because excuses, they're certainly not going to want to knock the whole lot down and start again. I think the plan for the medium term is to squeeze a few more seats in, increase the hospitality offering where possible then rinse everybody with price rises until the pips squeak.
As an example, I'm fully expecting the Holte car park to be not used as car parking next season. We'll probably get shifted to that Y International place and they'll put a big marquee up as another "enhanced" offering in the car park.
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Exactly right Perce. V Sports owns 100% of Aston Villa, it's just that the Comcast company now own a percentage of V Sports, so indirectly own the same percentage of Villa.
I wonder, as per the OS the Aitairos investment "will primarily be used to fund growth and infrastructure investments" - what does that mean if it isn't ground improvement? Which infrastructure? There's no MLS franchise happening, and other than us, it's Vittoria Guimaraes and that Egyptian club and that's about it, surely?
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What do the Philly 76ers fans / media think of his time there?
New York Red Bulls weren't keen:
https://archive.nytimes.com/goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/red-bulls-ax-top-executive/
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.onceametro.com/platform/amp/2012/4/20/2962705/chris-heck-cant-do-nothin-right
https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/red-bulls-fire-director-of-business-operations-chris-heck.1965327/
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Can anyone whose actually seen the badge that was presented describe what it’s like?
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What do the Philly 76ers fans / media think of his time there?
New York Red Bulls weren't keen:
https://archive.nytimes.com/goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/red-bulls-ax-top-executive/
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.onceametro.com/platform/amp/2012/4/20/2962705/chris-heck-cant-do-nothin-right
https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/red-bulls-fire-director-of-business-operations-chris-heck.1965327/
Does not make for good reading from our perspective.
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Bloody hell how did he end up with us, start a protest, Heck out now.
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I liked purslow honestly i didnt think he did much wrong so was suprised hw was removed and replaced with this guy.
Its still early to say on his performance but the little ive seen and heard of him i have alot of red flags. Ive also heard from a few people that went to the meeting he doesnt like being questioned and comes across as a bit of a arse
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Small man syndrome.
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“ I don’t think people really comprehend how much damage he’s done in the little time he’s been there,” one team insider said.
This bloke has form.
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I liked purslow honestly i didnt think he did much wrong so was suprised hw was removed and replaced with this guy.
Didn't Purslow simply retire?
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It’s only natural when someone senior comes in who’s new some of the existing team hired by Purslow will feel put out.
If everything was exactly the same we’d be wondering what is the new guy actually doing!!
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"I'm so glad, on the business perspective, that we haven't won yet," said Heck, a former NBA executive who joined the Red Bulls in 2011. "Because I don't believe we have been ready. My hope, and our drive, is that we are championship ready by the end of this season."
That’s classic Tom Fox right there.
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Half of "being ready" is that your rivals aren't. ManUre and Chelsea won't always be in transition.
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A few of the references in that first article are already a bit familiar!!!
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I liked purslow honestly i didnt think he did much wrong
He appointed Gerrard which in itself is grounds for instant dismissal .
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I want to give them the benefit of the doubt but the notion that we shouldn't do a major redevelopment because we aren't currently 'selling out' can't be serious. Firstly that implies that the only reason to do it is purely on the basis of an increase in capacity, which it clearly isn't as there is huge scope for improving upon the existing facilities. Putting that aside I doubt that another 3k seats would mean that the majority of fans who want to attend games could then go. I routinely end up sitting on my own because only single seats are available, where I would love to be able to go with family and friends. Surely we would be better off selling out 52k for most games and having empty seats for League Cup/Conference league etc than having only 45k and never being able to go beyond that even if the demand is there?
I'd be interested to know how they are estimating the demand for tickets. As an example I want four tickets for Burnley tomorrow, if I can't get four on this occasion I won't go as we will need to do something else together. To the club would I just be seen as someone on the waiting list who didn't go to the game? The way the statement was worded implies they just think one unsold seat means no-one else wanted to go, which would be insane.
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Was anything asked about the way away tickets are distributed and if there was anything going to be changed to allow more access to fans not currently in the closed shop criteria??
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Was anything asked about the way away tickets are distributed and if there was anything going to be changed to allow more access to fans not currently in the closed shop criteria??
That one was, I think, debated at the last meeting and I believe an announcement has been/will be made on the subject.
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Was anything asked about the way away tickets are distributed and if there was anything going to be changed to allow more access to fans not currently in the closed shop criteria??
That one was, I think, debated at the last meeting and I believe an announcement has been/will be made on the subject.
Thanks Dave
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And given then above, they have decided they don't want to tell the fanbase this yet, as it'll create a huge amount of noise, so they've opted for obfuscation and nonsense.
This wouldn’t be so bad but I fear the real answer is worse and Heck’s only personal targets are financial!
That's my feeling too Jon. I don't think they're looking at a new site, as that's a ten year plan, and if they don't want to knock down the North Stand because excuses, they're certainly not going to want to knock the whole lot down and start again. I think the plan for the medium term is to squeeze a few more seats in, increase the hospitality offering where possible then rinse everybody with price rises until the pips squeak.
As an example, I'm fully expecting the Holte car park to be not used as car parking next season. We'll probably get shifted to that Y International place and they'll put a big marquee up as another "enhanced" offering in the car park.
My thought was with BCC being skint they buy the bit of park the other side of the road from Witton Lane stand…level it, whack up marquee and do a hospitality option there
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And given then above, they have decided they don't want to tell the fanbase this yet, as it'll create a huge amount of noise, so they've opted for obfuscation and nonsense.
This wouldn’t be so bad but I fear the real answer is worse and Heck’s only personal targets are financial!
That's my feeling too Jon. I don't think they're looking at a new site, as that's a ten year plan, and if they don't want to knock down the North Stand because excuses, they're certainly not going to want to knock the whole lot down and start again. I think the plan for the medium term is to squeeze a few more seats in, increase the hospitality offering where possible then rinse everybody with price rises until the pips squeak.
As an example, I'm fully expecting the Holte car park to be not used as car parking next season. We'll probably get shifted to that Y International place and they'll put a big marquee up as another "enhanced" offering in the car park.
I am pretty sure I read somewhere a while ago that they absolute are planning to do exactly that.
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I'd be interested to know how they are estimating the demand for tickets. As an example I want four tickets for Burnley tomorrow, if I can't get four on this occasion I won't go as we will need to do something else together. To the club would I just be seen as someone on the waiting list who didn't go to the game? The way the statement was worded implies they just think one unsold seat means no-one else wanted to go, which would be insane.
Good points. I’m sure there are many fans who’d like to take a child with them to occasional games but end up not going at all because either there are only single seats available (understandable) or when they find two together they’re being expected to pay the adult price for the child (totally unfair).
If you’re standing outside the ground selling fanzines, for instance, and you sell out, I imagine you’re thinking that you should have ordered more. If you’ve got a handful left you know everyone who wanted one has bought one and you’ve ordered the right amount.
Heck appears to be using that logic to selling seats, but it’s totally different for the reasons pointed out by Caster Troy above. A football stadium would be the right size if there was a block of empty seats left really - as you’d know you’ve sold all you could.
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When you have 42,000 seats and you consistently undersell by 200, that's not a problem of demand not being there. It's a problem of the 200 seats being unsellable, be they RV, single seats, whatever.
I am staggered they think we are sufficiently stupid to not see through that.
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When you have 42,000 seats and you consistently undersell by 200, that's not a problem of demand not being there. It's a problem of the 200 seats being unsellable, be they RV, single seats, whatever.
I am staggered they think we are sufficiently stupid to not see through that.
This.
With feckin' knobs on!
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I don’t understand the 200 tickets undersold I was visiting from Oz earlier this year and I couldn’t get a single ticket for the last game of the season, the only exception corporate/ hospitality packages.
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I don’t understand the 200 tickets undersold I was visiting from Oz earlier this year and I couldn’t get a single ticket for the last game of the season, the only exception corporate/ hospitality packages.
This is where i think the issue is. Not the general admission, but enough demand to fill an additional 2000 premium seats every match.
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I’d imagine the majority of the new North would have been designated premium seating, and the fact we can’t shift the ones we’ve got have had a huge bearing on the decision. That of course means our ST prices will dramatically increase to try and bridge the gap.
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And given then above, they have decided they don't want to tell the fanbase this yet, as it'll create a huge amount of noise, so they've opted for obfuscation and nonsense.
This wouldn’t be so bad but I fear the real answer is worse and Heck’s only personal targets are financial!
That's my feeling too Jon. I don't think they're looking at a new site, as that's a ten year plan, and if they don't want to knock down the North Stand because excuses, they're certainly not going to want to knock the whole lot down and start again. I think the plan for the medium term is to squeeze a few more seats in, increase the hospitality offering where possible then rinse everybody with price rises until the pips squeak.
As an example, I'm fully expecting the Holte car park to be not used as car parking next season. We'll probably get shifted to that Y International place and they'll put a big marquee up as another "enhanced" offering in the car park.
I am pretty sure I read somewhere a while ago that they absolute are planning to do exactly that.
I’m sure I have seen lots of posts on this site actually suggesting the Holte car park be made into a fan zone with a large marquee, I know you are suggesting this is for corporate, but it would still mean losing the car park spaces
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I'd be interested to know how they are estimating the demand for tickets. As an example I want four tickets for Burnley tomorrow, if I can't get four on this occasion I won't go as we will need to do something else together. To the club would I just be seen as someone on the waiting list who didn't go to the game? The way the statement was worded implies they just think one unsold seat means no-one else wanted to go, which would be insane.
Good points. I’m sure there are many fans who’d like to take a child with them to occasional games but end up not going at all because either there are only single seats available (understandable) or when they find two together they’re being expected to pay the adult price for the child (totally unfair).
Yep. I have paid adult prices for my 11 year old boy, and not gone to games alone when I couldn’t get tickets for him and my daughter. I doubt if I’ll go again for the next few years if I can’t get them in as well.
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When you have 42,000 seats and you consistently undersell by 200, that's not a problem of demand not being there. It's a problem of the 200 seats being unsellable, be they RV, single seats, whatever.
I am staggered they think we are sufficiently stupid to not see through that.
This.
With feckin' knobs on!
This with claret and blue gold plated knobs!
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Seems coincidental that at the time the new enhanced packages are introduced and are rumoured not to be exactly selling like hot cakes, the club stops announcing the attendances at games. Trying to find out the gate afterwards is like looking for rocking horse shit.
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When you have 42,000 seats and you consistently undersell by 200, that's not a problem of demand not being there. It's a problem of the 200 seats being unsellable, be they RV, single seats, whatever.
I am staggered they think we are sufficiently stupid to not see through that.
In the build up to the Sheff Utd game, some family members said they were going to visit and could they get tickets for the match.
I kept looking the week before and every day there were a few single seats come up and blocks that added up to.200 or so I'm the Trinity and Holte. You couldn't book those as they were presumably for corporate.
Luckily on the Thursday a row of ten or so became available in the Trinity (guessed it must have been a supporter's club returning unsold ones) so I could get some. I noticed that the same blocks remained pretty much unsold.
Why not just make them for general sale a week or so before the game if they haven't been sold at that point?
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When you have 42,000 seats and you consistently undersell by 200, that's not a problem of demand not being there. It's a problem of the 200 seats being unsellable, be they RV, single seats, whatever.
I am staggered they think we are sufficiently stupid to not see through that.
In the build up to the Sheff Utd game, some family members said they were going to visit and could they get tickets for the match.
I kept looking the week before and every day there were a few single seats come up and blocks that added up to.200 or so I'm the Trinity and Holte. You couldn't book those as they were presumably for corporate.
Luckily on the Thursday a row of ten or so became available in the Trinity (guessed it must have been a supporter's club returning unsold ones) so I could get some. I noticed that the same blocks remained pretty much unsold.
Why not just make them for general sale a week or so before the game if they haven't been sold at that point?
They do, they just don't tell anyone.
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Fcuking hell even the noses publish their attendance figures. What the Heck is going on?!
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When you have 42,000 seats and you consistently undersell by 200, that's not a problem of demand not being there. It's a problem of the 200 seats being unsellable, be they RV, single seats, whatever.
I am staggered they think we are sufficiently stupid to not see through that.
In the build up to the Sheff Utd game, some family members said they were going to visit and could they get tickets for the match.
I kept looking the week before and every day there were a few single seats come up and blocks that added up to.200 or so I'm the Trinity and Holte. You couldn't book those as they were presumably for corporate.
Luckily on the Thursday a row of ten or so became available in the Trinity (guessed it must have been a supporter's club returning unsold ones) so I could get some. I noticed that the same blocks remained pretty much unsold.
Why not just make them for general sale a week or so before the game if they haven't been sold at that point?
Looked on the website for tickets for the Burnley game last week and said it's sold out, looked at it again a few days ago and they are seating available in the terrace view and the lower grounds , now it's sold out again
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When you have 42,000 seats and you consistently undersell by 200, that's not a problem of demand not being there. It's a problem of the 200 seats being unsellable, be they RV, single seats, whatever.
I am staggered they think we are sufficiently stupid to not see through that.
In the build up to the Sheff Utd game, some family members said they were going to visit and could they get tickets for the match.
I kept looking the week before and every day there were a few single seats come up and blocks that added up to.200 or so I'm the Trinity and Holte. You couldn't book those as they were presumably for corporate.
Luckily on the Thursday a row of ten or so became available in the Trinity (guessed it must have been a supporter's club returning unsold ones) so I could get some. I noticed that the same blocks remained pretty much unsold.
Why not just make them for general sale a week or so before the game if they haven't been sold at that point?
Looked on the website for tickets for the Burnley game last week and said it's sold out, looked at it again a few days ago and they are seating available in the terrace view and the lower grounds , now it's sold out again
If only we had a bigger stand…..
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I'd be interested to know how they are estimating the demand for tickets. As an example I want four tickets for Burnley tomorrow, if I can't get four on this occasion I won't go as we will need to do something else together. To the club would I just be seen as someone on the waiting list who didn't go to the game? The way the statement was worded implies they just think one unsold seat means no-one else wanted to go, which would be insane.
Good points. I’m sure there are many fans who’d like to take a child with them to occasional games but end up not going at all because either there are only single seats available (understandable) or when they find two together they’re being expected to pay the adult price for the child (totally unfair).
Yep. I have paid adult prices for my 11 year old boy, and not gone to games alone when I couldn’t get tickets for him and my daughter. I doubt if I’ll go again for the next few years if I can’t get them in as well.
Dunno if you are already, but the claret membership has been pretty much vital for us getting seats together. However, I've resigned myself to having me, my dad, and one of the 3 kids at a time - 3 lots of kids membership for what would effectively be a game or two every season is unaffordable (can only make 3pm Saturday kick offs, and there's hardly any of those now we're in Europe), and in any case getting that many seats together is tricky.
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as soon as it starts to go wrong on the pitch the deck of cards the current board are stacking up will come smashing down, and the feel-good factor will not be there for them to hide behind.
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as soon as it starts to go wrong on the pitch the deck of cards the current board are stacking up will come smashing down, and the feel-good factor will not be there for them to hide behind.
Why will it start to go wrong on the pitch?
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as soon as it starts to go wrong on the pitch the deck of cards the current board are stacking up will come smashing down, and the feel-good factor will not be there for them to hide behind.
Why will it start to go wrong on the pitch?
Chelsea and Ure will shape-up and return to their "rightful" places. We'll take 5th-7th placed battles and shut up, us ungrateful bastids.
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After seeing this supposed new crest, I’m pretty sure Heck attends these meetings wearing noise cancelling headphones.
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And he definitely attends graphic design presentations wearing view-cancelling spectacles.
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Are we positive that it is the new crest?