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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2023, 09:54:31 PM
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So, still need a point to guarantee winning the group.
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Shame Bailey's effort didn't cross the line. Oh well.
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What’s the criteria in a tie? Are we level on head to head now? Is it GD?
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What’s the criteria in a tie? Are we level on head to head now? Is it GD?
Legia win if we finish level on points. A point against Mostar we top the group. Legia don't beat Alkmaar, we top the group even if we lost to Mostar.
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A decent win, worst case scenario we need a point in the last game to top the group. Very pleased to see Moreno back and playing well.
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First half, meh.. second half, much better!
I thought Konsa, Dougie, Moreno and Duran did well. Now lets finish the job.
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Shame Bailey's effort didn't cross the line. Oh well.
Fat lines.
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What’s the criteria in a tie? Are we level on head to head now? Is it GD?
Yep, if they win and we lose and the margin in 1 of the games is more than a single goal then we'd be 2nd.
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What’s the criteria in a tie? Are we level on head to head now? Is it GD?
They beat us 3-2 at their place so... I don't know.
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Got the job done. Just need a point to guarantee top spot.
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What’s the criteria in a tie? Are we level on head to head now? Is it GD?
Yep, if they win and we lose and the margin in 1 of the games is more than a single goal then we'd be 2nd.
It's head to head, not GD. Legia scored more goals in our 2 ties so would be above us.
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Yes, will be GD and then goals scored. There is only 3 goals in each. But we should be able to get a point in Mostar.
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Thought Olsen was pretty composed.
Didn’t stand a chance with the goal and almost had an assist
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What’s the criteria in a tie? Are we level on head to head now? Is it GD?
Yep, if they win and we lose and the margin in 1 of the games is more than a single goal then we'd be 2nd.
It's head to head, not GD. Legia scored more goals in our 2 ties so would be above us.
no they didn't, we both scored 4.
I was slightly wrong though, it only works with a 3 goal swing if they win in a high scoring games.
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Shame Bailey's effort didn't cross the line. Oh well.
Fat lines.
Do the lines have to be a certain width?
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Has Emi ever pinged a ball over the top like that from Olsen? Robin lives on !
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Much improved second half, deserved the win. Now hopefully everyone gets home safe and sound.
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Legia need us to lose our last game.
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What’s the criteria in a tie? Are we level on head to head now? Is it GD?
Legia win if we finish level on points. A point against Mostar we top the group. Legia don't beat Alkmaar, we top the group even if we lost to Mostar.
And Alkmaar go through, due to head to head, if they win
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If we finish level on points with Legia (meaning we lose and they win their last game) it goes to head to head, which is why we needed to win by 2 goals tonight.
A win or a draw and we top the table.
A loss and a Legia win, we finish 2nd.
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What’s the criteria in a tie? Are we level on head to head now? Is it GD?
Yep, if they win and we lose and the margin in 1 of the games is more than a single goal then we'd be 2nd.
It's head to head, not GD. Legia scored more goals in our 2 ties so would be above us.
no they didn't, we both scored 4.
I was slight wrong though, it only works with a 3 goal swing if they win in a high scoring games.
That's right. Maybe it would come down to GD then.
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If we finish level on points with Legia (meaning we lose and they win their last game) it goes to head to head, which is why we needed to win by 2 goals tonight.
A win or a draw and we top the table.
A loss and a Legia win, we finish 2nd.
head to head is a 1 ghoal win for them and a 1 goal win for us, so it goes to overall goal difference.
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Dirty side. How the hell their number 55 was allowed to batter people to order was shite. Two nice Villa goals. We win, well done.
Anyone know the attendance?
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Legia need to win and they would need us to lose. Anything else and we've won the group.
Just a slight disappointment as another goal tonight would have meant the last game was a dead rubber and the 1st team wouldn't have needed to even travel.
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If we finish level on points with Legia (meaning we lose and they win their last game) it goes to head to head, which is why we needed to win by 2 goals tonight.
A win or a draw and we top the table.
A loss and a Legia win, we finish 2nd.
head to head is a 1 ghoal win for them and a 1 goal win for us, so it goes to overall goal difference.
Counting is hard.
Anyway, the overall aim remains the same. At least a point in Mostar and we're fine.
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Just a slight disappointment as another goal tonight would have meant the last game was a dead rubber and the 1st team wouldn't have needed to even travel.
Most of them would have had to at least travel, we don't have that big a squad that we could send a "B team" to start and be on the bench.
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If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following criteria are applied in the order given to determine their rankings:
a: higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question;
b: superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question;
c: higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question;
if, after having applied criteria a) to c), teams still have an equal ranking, criteria a) to c) are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the remaining teams to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria e) to k) apply in the order given to the two or more teams still equal;
d:superior goal difference in all group matches;
f: higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
g: higher number of away goals scored in all group matches;
h: higher number of wins in all group matches;
i: higher number of away wins in all group matches;
k: lower disciplinary points total based only on yellow and red cards received by players and team officials in all group matches (red card = 3 points, yellow card = 1 point, expulsion for two yellow cards in one match = 3 points);
higher club coefficient (see Annex D).
I'm pretty sure we are even across the first three items so they then compare how we played against Mostar and Alkmar.
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Very good win, deserved the third goal but unfortunately didn't come. Much better second half performance. Lively cameos from Ramsey and Bailey, thought Bailey's first touch tonight was electric.
Olsen 7 - give the guy credit, clearly told at half time to switch it up and go direct more often. Nearly got two assists!
Cash 6 - brutal first half, clearly got a 🚀 at half time. Emery will be fuming with his efforts defending those two late runs
Konsa 8 - very good again really
Lenglet 8 - really impressed me tonight, was totally against his signing
Moreno 8 - brilliant return and goal. What an addition he will be back in the squad
Luiz 8 - class footballer really
Kamara 6 - terrible pass for their goal but rallied well
Tielemans 6 - pass put Diaby away, but a bit flat tonight. Better after the half time switch
McGinn 6 - a game too far but happier back on right combining with Cash
Diaby 8 - back to his best, great finish for goal and lovely throughout
Duran 5 - did improve a lot in second half, badly caught on his heels for one late chance. Fortunate Watkins wasn't on bench
All subs looked sharp bar Donk's tache/smig. Bailey and Ramsey pushing very hard now to get into the PL team
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If we finish level on points with Legia (meaning we lose and they win their last game) it goes to head to head, which is why we needed to win by 2 goals tonight.
A win or a draw and we top the table.
A loss and a Legia win, we finish 2nd.
head to head is a 1 ghoal win for them and a 1 goal win for us, so it goes to overall goal difference.
Correct. It's a four goal swing effectively because we've scored more than them. Not impossible but improbable.
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They need to win by 3 and us lose
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Very good win, deserved the third goal but unfortunately didn't come. Much better second half performance. Lively cameos from Ramsey and Bailey, thought Bailey's first touch tonight was electric.
Olsen 7 - give the guy credit, clearly told at half time to switch it up and go direct more often. Nearly got two assists!
Cash 6 - brutal first half, clearly got a 🚀 at half time. Emery will be fuming with his efforts defending those two late runs
Konsa 8 - very good again really
Lenglet 8 - really impressed me tonight, was totally against his signing
Moreno 8 - brilliant return and goal. What an addition he will be back in the squad
Luiz 8 - class footballer really
Kamara 6 - terrible pass for their goal but rallied well
Tielemans 6 - pass put Diaby away, but a bit flat tonight. Better after the half time switch
McGinn 6 - a game too far but happier back on right combining with Cash
Diaby 8 - back to his best, great finish for goal and lovely throughout
Duran 5 - did improve a lot in second half, badly caught on his heels for one late chance. Fortunate Watkins wasn't on bench
All subs looked sharp bar Donk's tache/smig. Bailey and Ramsey pushing very hard now to get into the PL team
I think those are some pretty generous ratings. First half we were poor and second we were much improved but still not anything like the standard we've set
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Are they home or away to AZ? I remember things got very heated at the first match between them.
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Are they home or away to AZ? I remember things got very heated at the first match between them.
Home to AZ.
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Thought Olsen was pretty composed.
Didn’t stand a chance with the goal and almost had an assist
You can't say that kind of thing around here mate
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Are Peter Crouch's teeth real? I don't recall them being that decent when he played for us.
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Shame Bailey's effort didn't cross the line. Oh well.
Fat lines.
Do the lines have to be a certain width?
Maximum 5" (12cm)
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Are Peter Crouch's teeth real? I don't recall them being that decent when he played for us.
Nah, definite Turkey teeth.
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Very good win, deserved the third goal but unfortunately didn't come. Much better second half performance. Lively cameos from Ramsey and Bailey, thought Bailey's first touch tonight was electric.
Olsen 7 - give the guy credit, clearly told at half time to switch it up and go direct more often. Nearly got two assists!
Cash 6 - brutal first half, clearly got a 🚀 at half time. Emery will be fuming with his efforts defending those two late runs
Konsa 8 - very good again really
Lenglet 8 - really impressed me tonight, was totally against his signing
Moreno 8 - brilliant return and goal. What an addition he will be back in the squad
Luiz 8 - class footballer really
Kamara 6 - terrible pass for their goal but rallied well
Tielemans 6 - pass put Diaby away, but a bit flat tonight. Better after the half time switch
McGinn 6 - a game too far but happier back on right combining with Cash
Diaby 8 - back to his best, great finish for goal and lovely throughout
Duran 5 - did improve a lot in second half, badly caught on his heels for one late chance. Fortunate Watkins wasn't on bench
All subs looked sharp bar Donk's tache/smig. Bailey and Ramsey pushing very hard now to get into the PL team
I think those are some pretty generous ratings. First half we were poor and second we were much improved but still not anything like the standard we've set
I think many are underestimating Legia, they aren't a bad side at all. The squad given a good test tonight and a comfortable win really.
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Are Peter Crouch's teeth real? I don't recall them being that decent when he played for us.
Nah, definite Turkey teeth.
Is that like hen's teeth?
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Do we think Ramsey only made a brief appearance because he's saving him for the weekend, or is he still building back up to match fitness?
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We should have won that by 2 goals. (Only found out - Doh! During the game)
Not sure why we were so lacklustre given it would make the last game immaterial.
Anyhow - a win is a win.
Bring on CITEH
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I thought we really good second half. We really do play some very nice stuff at times. Duran did ok I thought as well, worked quite hard.
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Thought JJ was a bit sluggish when he came on, understandably. Got caught in possession a couple of times. Don't think he expected such aggression from the opposition.
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Thought Olsen was pretty composed.
Didn’t stand a chance with the goal and almost had an assist
You can't say that kind of thing around here mate
he did look a little more panicked with the ball at his feet. But otherwise did well
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Just a slight disappointment as another goal tonight would have meant the last game was a dead rubber and the 1st team wouldn't have needed to even travel.
Most of them would have had to at least travel, we don't have that big a squad that we could send a "B team" to start and be on the bench.
I don't think it would matter how big our squad is - each club registers the same number of players for European competition so we would have to bring 18 or 20 players (however many subs are benched in Europe these days, 7 or 9) regardless and the bulk of them are always going to be seniors, no matter if it's us or Liverpool/West Ham with their dead-rubber last group games in the Europa League.
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Do we think Ramsey only made a brief appearance because he's saving him for the weekend, or is he still building back up to match fitness?
One of him or Bailey will start v Bournemouth. Better balance with Ramsey on left but I think Emery will try squeeze Bailey in. Diaby did enough tonight to stay in.
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Just a slight disappointment as another goal tonight would have meant the last game was a dead rubber and the 1st team wouldn't have needed to even travel.
Most of them would have had to at least travel, we don't have that big a squad that we could send a "B team" to start and be on the bench.
I don't think it would matter how big our squad is - each club registers the same number of players for European competition so we would have to bring 18 or 20 players (however many subs are benched in Europe these days, 7 or 9) regardless and the bulk of them are always going to be seniors, no matter if it's us or Liverpool/West Ham with their dead-rubber last group games in the Europa League.
There's a B squad you can register for European competitions. Players have to be under a certain age and have played for the club for a set amount of time, so basically home grown players. You can have an unlimited number of players on there, but unless we were going to send the u21 kids, we don't have a lot of options there either.
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Winning on 70% happy with that, good rotation and legs rested for Sunday a far more important match
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Has Olsen been Emeryed?
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Has Olsen been Emeryed?
Seems to be the case. Good distribution tonight.
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Played 5, won 4 and top of the group and already qualified for knockouts. I'm happy with that overall even if we aren't guaranteed top spot yet.
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Has Olsen been Emeryed?
His ability to welly the ball up the pitch quickly was handy to break their high line.
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Has Olsen been Emeryed?
As i sat down just now and opened the laptop, i was thinking that exact same thing.
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Moreno is a lovely footballer, great technique and had a blinding first game back.
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Has Olsen been Emeryed?
Seems to be the case. Good distribution tonight.
Still had my heart in my mouth a couple of times with passes that were very close to being cut out. He could argue they were perfection. He didn't do anything wrong at all tonight. But he didn't have a save to try and make, no keeper in the world saves their goal.
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Moreno is a lovely footballer, great technique and had a blinding first game back.
He was my MOTM. So great to see him back and more importantly back up to speed. Love him more tonight than I did last season and that's taking nothing away from Digne who has done a great job.
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Do we think Ramsey only made a brief appearance because he's saving him for the weekend, or is he still building back up to match fitness?
One of him or Bailey will start v Bournemouth. Better balance with Ramsey on left but I think Emery will try squeeze Bailey in. Diaby did enough tonight to stay in.
I thought Emery managed that well tonight - Moreno a long run out, and JJ a shorter one, to kill two birds with one stone, get the tie out of the way with less impact on the usual starting XI and also bring two players fresh from long injuries closer to full fitness.
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Moreno is a lovely footballer, great technique and had a blinding first game back.
He was my MOTM. So great to see him back and more importantly back up to speed. Love him more tonight than I did last season and that's taking nothing away from Digne who has done a great job.
Sign of squad depth that we have Moreno and Digne (who has been superb) as our LB options.
If we had the same depth at RB, it'd be lovely.
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Be interesting to see who plays LB Sunday , I think it will be Digne
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Moreno is a lovely footballer, great technique and had a blinding first game back.
He was my MOTM. So great to see him back and more importantly back up to speed. Love him more tonight than I did last season and that's taking nothing away from Digne who has done a great job.
Sign of squad depth that we have Moreno and Digne (who has been superb) as our LB options.
If we had the same depth at RB, it'd be lovely.
January is just around the corner. I'd imagine it's top of our list.
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Be interesting to see who plays LB Sunday , I think it will be Digne
Back to Digne away, Moreno at home?
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Be interesting to see who plays LB Sunday , I think it will be Digne
Digne for sure. Moreno primed and ready to come in around 70 mins. Just hope there's no reoccurrence of any injuries like what happened Ramsey after Brighton. Those two back into the squad/team will give us some boost. Bailey is kicking down the door too. Even Lenglet tonight was very good. Squad starting to look strong!
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Aston Villa 2-1 Legia Warsaw: Alex Moreno scores winner on return as Villa take control of group - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67570020
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Be interesting to see who plays LB Sunday , I think it will be Digne
Back to Digne away, Moreno at home?
Sort of. I think it’s more Moreno for teams who park the bus, and Digne when we need to be a bit more solid.
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Thought Olsen was pretty composed.
Didn’t stand a chance with the goal and almost had an assist
You can't say that kind of thing around here mate
Yes he can. If you don't like it 'around here' please feel free to go elsewhere. I also thought he did a pretty decent job.
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Be interesting to see who plays LB Sunday , I think it will be Digne
Back to Digne away, Moreno at home?
Sort of. I think it’s more Moreno for teams who park the bus, and Digne when we need to be a bit more solid.
True. We've moved up a level from last season.
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Quite a few levels.
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The number of games we have in December both LB will get plenty of minutes I'd guess
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Quite a few levels.
Not tonight or in any other of our ECL games to be fair. Second half was an improvement but we've never really looked that comfortable other than the AZ away game and that was more to do with we score when we want. Early days I know but we've never really clicked like we do in the the league.
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Much better from Olsen but I still think the players retain the fear that we do in trusting him at times. Hope this is the start of him becoming a more reliable understudy.
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I've never thought Olsen as bad as some on here but I'll admit I was surprised to see him play tonight. The League Cup tie with Everton was the only time this season Emery has played him by choice rather than necessity, and this being a pretty important game, I really wasn't expecting it. (I'm assuming given Martinez was on the bench that it was choice tonight)
I guess between the international break and the upcoming cluster of fixtures it would be somewhat questionable whether Martinez could/should play them all.
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Played 5, won 4 and top of the group and already qualified for knockouts. I'm happy with that overall even if we aren't guaranteed top spot yet.
Particularly if you think back to what the mood was like 89 minutes into the second game, a third of the way through the group, with only one point and what were supposed to be the two hardest matches up next.
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The BBC match report says it was Moreno's first goal for Villa. Is that right? I could have sworn he's scored before.
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Nope, assisted three but no goals.
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The BBC match report says it was Moreno's first goal for Villa. Is that right? I could have sworn he's scored before.
True. I had to check as like you I thought he'd scored.
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The BBC match report says it was Moreno's first goal for Villa. Is that right? I could have sworn he's scored before.
Stadium announcer also said “first goal”.
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What’s the criteria in a tie? Are we level on head to head now? Is it GD?
Yep, if they win and we lose and the margin in 1 of the games is more than a single goal then we'd be 2nd.
It's head to head, not GD. Legia scored more goals in our 2 ties so would be above us.
Errr no the goals count is actually 4- 4
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Well that makes it even better. What a way to mark your comeback after nearly 7 months out.
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Kamara's blip. No excuse, you can see him glance around both directions before he gets the ball, with looking towards Cash the last he does before receiving it. How he didn't see the player in a white shirt there as well god knows.
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Missed the first goal due to the queues, was waiting for at least 30 minutes to get in.
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Missed the first goal due to the queues, was waiting for at least 30 minutes to get it.
From the other thread, it sounded like individual Legia fans were trying to sneak in so I suspect there was more individual checking at the gates. Plus half the North Stand gates were closed if you were trying there.
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Missed the first goal due to the queues, was waiting for at least 30 minutes to get it.
From the other thread, it sounded like individual Legia fans were trying to sneak in so I suspect there was more individual checking at the gates. Plus half the North Stand gates were closed if you were trying there.
This was Trinity Rd. Understand the increase in security but employing a few more staff would have been helpful.
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Going back to the group standings, if Alkmaar wins, they go second due to their head to head matches against Legia so they have everything still to play for, including pride as they got to the Semi finals last year.
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If two or more teams are equal on points on completion of the group matches, the following criteria are applied in the order given to determine their rankings:
a: higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question;
b: superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question;
c: higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question;
if, after having applied criteria a) to c), teams still have an equal ranking, criteria a) to c) are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the remaining teams to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria e) to k) apply in the order given to the two or more teams still equal;
d:superior goal difference in all group matches;
f: higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
g: higher number of away goals scored in all group matches;
h: higher number of wins in all group matches;
i: higher number of away wins in all group matches;
k: lower disciplinary points total based only on yellow and red cards received by players and team officials in all group matches (red card = 3 points, yellow card = 1 point, expulsion for two yellow cards in one match = 3 points);
higher club coefficient (see Annex D).
I'm pretty sure we are even across the first three items so they then compare how we played against Mostar and Alkmar.
Even the above is a bit confusing, as it says if two teams can't be split by a) - c) then it goes in order from e) -k) byt there is no e) on the list!!
From that, I make it that we just need a point in the last game to win the group. Legia Warsaw need to win and us to lose to be level on points. Should that happen, we wouldn't be able to be split using a) - c) so the next criteria on the list would be d) which is goal difference in all matches. We are currently 3 goals ahead of them, so it would need more than a 3 goal swing in their favour. Let's say they win 2-0 and we lose 1-0, it would be level again and then goes to goals scored in the group and we are currently 3 ahead of them on that.
Think that's right!!
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Another nice win and like the majority of these group games, felt like we did it without ever fully exerting ourselves. Great to see Moreno and Ramsey back, thought Lenglet had a very decent game too.
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Another nice win and like the majority of these group games, felt like we did it without ever fully exerting ourselves. Great to see Moreno and Ramsey back, thought Lenglet had a very decent game too.
Pretty much my reaction, although much of the first half was frustratingly tedious. As soon as we drop out of top gear, this tends to happen.
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Kamara's blip. No excuse, you can see him glance around both directions before he gets the ball, with looking towards Cash the last he does before receiving it. How he didn't see the player in a white shirt there as well god knows.
He is a quality player, but does seem to struggle occasionally when he gets the ball facing his own goal. He gets caught on the ball or like tonight gives a loose pass. In contrast, you very rarely see Luiz caught like that.
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Credit to the Villa fan working at a certain bar in town who arranged for limitless free shots for the LW players on Wednesday night.
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Kamara's blip. No excuse, you can see him glance around both directions before he gets the ball, with looking towards Cash the last he does before receiving it. How he didn't see the player in a white shirt there as well god knows.
He is a quality player, but does seem to struggle occasionally when he gets the ball facing his own goal. He gets caught on the ball or like tonight gives a loose pass. In contrast, you very rarely see Luiz caught like that.
He's too casual at times when he receives the ball out from the back. Tremendous footballer bur needs to be more switched on in those situations
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Kamara's blip. No excuse, you can see him glance around both directions before he gets the ball, with looking towards Cash the last he does before receiving it. How he didn't see the player in a white shirt there as well god knows.
He is a quality player, but does seem to struggle occasionally when he gets the ball facing his own goal. He gets caught on the ball or like tonight gives a loose pass. In contrast, you very rarely see Luiz caught like that.
He's too casual at times when he receives the ball out from the back. Tremendous footballer bur needs to be more switched on in those situations
I’m sure he’ll learn. To his credit, he doesn’t let it get to him and never hides afterwards. Olsen gave him the ball a few more times in those situations and he dealt with it well.
At times we seemed to be slowing it down and trying this even more than we normally do, it felt like it was a training match and we were experimenting and pushing this to its limits last night.
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Another piss poor ref
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Another piss poor ref
He was awful! The amount of times their number 55 took chunks out of ours and in particular constantly pushing Dhuran and he got nothing!
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On the way to the game I had the WM phone-in on, and heard someone saying how taking the control of VAR out of the hands of pgmol and giving it to foreign refs would fix it. Most likely a doghead. I wonder if he watched that last night.
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I see that the Legia manager went full on Arsene Wenger when asked about the trouble and the lack of his own teams supporters during the game.
Mind you he wouldn't dare I suppose!
Very odd atmosphere without away support though.
The Villa just roll on!
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Thought Olsen was pretty composed.
Didn’t stand a chance with the goal and almost had an assist
You can't say that kind of thing around here mate
Yes he can. If you don't like it 'around here' please feel free to go elsewhere. I also thought he did a pretty decent job.
It was a joke, I thought he played well. I was just referring to the posters who immediately started with the Olsen doom and gloom stuff once the teams were announced.
It's very grouchy round here of late
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OK. Apologies.
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Olsen did ok in fairness. Thought he got caught a bit in no mans land with their header that hit the bar, but besides that no real issues. A better back up still required though
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I hope the miserable prick in the Yard birds queue before the game gets the shits, he was lucky not to be eating his own teeth.
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Much better from Olsen but I still think the players retain the fear that we do in trusting him at times. Hope this is the start of him becoming a more reliable understudy.
Disagree, mate, sorry.
I don’t think there was any fear in the players regarding using him as an outlet, in fact several times I thought they used him when there appeared an easier option.
I thought he was really composed and picked some excellent passes.
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Olsen was half decent. Better than his normal performances.
Shame we couldn't get the 3rd goal.
At some points in the first half our pace of play was so slow.
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Thought Olsen was pretty composed.
Didn’t stand a chance with the goal and almost had an assist
You can't say that kind of thing around here mate
Yes he can. If you don't like it 'around here' please feel free to go elsewhere. I also thought he did a pretty decent job.
It was a joke, I thought he played well. I was just referring to the posters who immediately started with the Olsen doom and gloom stuff once the teams were announced.
It's very grouchy round here of late
To be fair, I did take it with the humour that was intended
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Olsen was half decent. Better than his normal performances.
Shame we couldn't get the 3rd goal.
At some points in the first half our pace of play was so slow.
Yes, very slow in the first half. Beginning to think it is part of Unai's game plan. Slow, slow. fast, slow, slow, slow, slow. Let the ball do the work, let the opposition knacker themselves out, keep some petrol in the tank for the business end of the game.
Thanks to Unai, we can change gear at the flick of a switch. Like top teams do.
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Overall good performance, a little better than the Alkmaar home game. Great first goal in particular, and yes fair dues Olsen was fine and the rest of the team worked fine with him too with no dramas. Keep it up.
I should think a point or better is likely in the last game, we have now won 4 in a row in this competition.
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Olsen was half decent. Better than his normal performances.
Shame we couldn't get the 3rd goal.
At some points in the first half our pace of play was so slow.
Yes, very slow in the first half. Beginning to think it is part of Unai's game plan. Slow, slow. fast, slow, slow, slow, slow. Let the ball do the work, let the opposition knacker themselves out, keep some petrol in the tank for the business end of the game.
Thanks to Unai, we can change gear at the flick of a switch. Like top teams do.
I agree. It seems to happen too many times that our pace of play is slower in the early parts of a game, and then we come on strong towards the end. It feels like it must be deliberate?
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I don't think it is. We could easily have been 3 or 4 down against Spurs in the first half, and even Emery is going to struggle to get a team to come back from that. He likes to control games, but you have to factor in the opposition as well, they're not there to let us control things how we want all the time.
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Missed the first goal due to the queues, was waiting for at least 30 minutes to get it.
From the other thread, it sounded like individual Legia fans were trying to sneak in so I suspect there was more individual checking at the gates. Plus half the North Stand gates were closed if you were trying there.
This was Trinity Rd. Understand the increase in security but employing a few more staff would have been helpful.
I know it might feel like it sometimes but you cannot just create match day staff overnight. People have to be vetted, trained and in certain cases CRB checked (or whatever the new standard is). There were loads of ejections last night due to Polish turnstile / gate jumpers so once what was going on outside was known security had to get tighter. I don't think any preparation could of predicted the chaos that arose
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I don't think it is. We could easily have been 3 or 4 down against Spurs in the first half, and even Emery is going to struggle to get a team to come back from that. He likes to control games, but you have to factor in the opposition as well, they're not there to let us control things how we want all the time.
We’re quite often slow to start in the away games, like you said, fortunate not to concede a few early against Spurs, conceded early at Newcastle and Liverpool and there’s been a few more I’ve forgotten, Forest?
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Decent game even though we looked like we were putting in less than full effort which was the reason we screwed up for their equaliser. What these European games have shown is that our players have a sense that the opposition are inferior and seem to perform with far less intensity. We always looked comfortable without excelling. There were a few moments of real class. Dougie’s free kick that got us the winner, McPhee’s input clear to see there and then the ball for Bailey which he did really well controlling first time and was very unlucky with the attempt after. Legia were decent in build up play and at pressing but lacked a cutting edge.
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On rewatching, Muci was very clever in his movement leading up to their goal. He sees Kamara show, and as Kamara looks over his shoulders before the ball arrives Muci dummies as if he's going to press Konsa, and then checks to hold the space between Kamara and Cash. And then the finish. I'd bet there won't be many that score three in two games against us this season.
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Dougie’s free kick that got us the winner, McPhee’s input clear to see
I was thinking this last night, McPhee is very visible off the bench during the game, and frequently goes through the instructions with the players as they're about to come on (he did this with Bailey last night).
Emery clearly rates him highly to have him that tightly involved rather than, say, Ayesteran who has the job title more suited.
I was wondering if it might be in part because he's British so it's easier for him to convey without confusion instructions given in the space of a minute or so before the subs get made, but then again, most of the players aren't British so I dunno.
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Yes fair play to MacPhee, he must be doing well to be trusted by Emery, as there aren't many coaches left who haven't been brought in by Unai.
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He's survived three managers now, too.
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However, his hair does remain entirely unacceptable.
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Commentator mentioned yesterday that whenever were attacking or defending a set piece, Emery tells MacPhee to go in the technical area and take over.
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Commentator mentioned yesterday that whenever were attacking or defending a set piece, Emery tells MacPhee to go in the technical area and take over.
Although when it cut to Emery when we scored our second, MacPhee seemed to be in the dugout looking down at something rather then doing anything in the technical area.
Weird thing as well. McGinns starting position seemed to make the goal keeper stay back rather then come out to try to collect and the GK definitely was pointing to him to a defender who must have asked why he was back on the line.
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Disappointing to concede, but the win was most important to put our top spot destiny in our own hands.
As for the disgrace outside the stadium, I have just seen some moronic Polish journalist blame Villa for Legia fans acting like criminal thugs because we didn't give them enough tickets.
Bit of backwards logic there, & completely attempts to absolve their fans for their own choice of actions.
And if I hear anybody make the distinction between "hooligans" & "ultras", when they act like last night, I will lose my shit.
There is no difference other than the name & they are the same side of the same coin...
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The positioning of McGinn for the free kick we scored from was very clever, there were 3-4 Legia players looking round trying to work out what he was doing and keeper seemed really agitated by it as well but then he just ran out of the area as the ball was coming on to make it absolutely clear he was never attacking the ball.
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The McGinn positioning was a great way of gaming the current offside rules. Didn't touch the ball, caused an element of confusion, but didn't directly interfere with the game.
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Commentator mentioned yesterday that whenever were attacking or defending a set piece, Emery tells MacPhee to go in the technical area and take over.
Only one coach has been allowed in the technical area this season and when we have a set-piece, Emery steps back and lets MacPhee have the area.
I wonder whether UEFA will kick Legia Warsaw out of the competition after last night. They've said they're investigating what happened. We might have already won the group.
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Commentator mentioned yesterday that whenever were attacking or defending a set piece, Emery tells MacPhee to go in the technical area and take over.
Only one coach has been allowed in the technical area this season and when we have a set-piece, Emery steps back and lets MacPhee have the area.
I wonder whether UEFA will kick Legia Warsaw out of the competition after last night. They've said they're investigating what happened. We might have already won the group.
That's the sign of Emery being utterly confident and not needing to chuck his weight around. A bit different from one of Gerrard's early games when he ordered MacPhee out of his seat in no uncertain terms.
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I wonder whether UEFA will kick Legia Warsaw out of the competition after last night. They've said they're investigating what happened. We might have already won the group.
Very rare for sanctions on crowd trouble to be that punishment. Fine and closed doors / away fan travel ban for later games or next season.
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I wonder whether UEFA will kick Legia Warsaw out of the competition after last night. They've said they're investigating what happened. We might have already won the group.
Very rare for sanctions on crowd trouble to be that punishment. Fine and closed doors / away fan travel ban for later games or next season.
3 times though now. They are on thin ice
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I wonder whether UEFA will kick Legia Warsaw out of the competition after last night. They've said they're investigating what happened. We might have already won the group.
Very rare for sanctions on crowd trouble to be that punishment. Fine and closed doors / away fan travel ban for later games or next season.
3 times though now. They are on thin ice
They’re through the ice and looking for a life raft.
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I wonder whether UEFA will kick Legia Warsaw out of the competition after last night. They've said they're investigating what happened. We might have already won the group.
Very rare for sanctions on crowd trouble to be that punishment. Fine and closed doors / away fan travel ban for later games or next season.
3 times though now. They are on thin ice
They’re through the ice and looking for a life raft.
Ultas first, then Woman with Children.
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However, his hair does remain entirely unacceptable.
It’s shorter than mine :)
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Has Olsen been Emeryed?
Seems to be the case. Good distribution tonight.
Still had my heart in my mouth a couple of times with passes that were very close to being cut out. He could argue they were perfection. He didn't do anything wrong at all tonight. But he didn't have a save to try and make, no keeper in the world saves their goal.
I thought he looked massively relieved every time a pass went to one of our players. Still didn't fill me with confidence.
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I hope the miserable prick in the Yard birds queue before the game gets the shits, he was lucky not to be eating his own teeth.
Probably would have tasted better.
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Didn't get out of 3rd gear, did what we needed to be done. A few unforced errors we need to cut out. Bloody freezing, and weird with no away fans.
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The McGinn positioning was a great way of gaming the current offside rules. Didn't touch the ball, caused an element of confusion, but didn't directly interfere with the game.
He was the marker for the free kick.
If you watch where Moreno met the ball it was virtually right on where SJM started before backing off.
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So he pretended to be Watkins as Luiz can always find him?
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I think our fitness told in the end. Our lads were starting to tire, but they were Legia.
I apologise.
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I think our fitness told in the end. Our lads were starting to tire, but they were Legia.
I apologise.
Don't apologise, I thought the same but unfortunately missed the obvious joke unlike you.
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The apology stands. I didn't see the game so the post was entirely for the pun, which is poor form.
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It took me a while to get that pun, I will admit.
Raised a smile though... 😁👍
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The apology stands. I didn't see the game so the post was entirely for the pun, which is poor form.
I thought the apology was for quality of the pun, not the game part. Even Martyn would have baulked at that.
Are you back to stating "I'll get my Poncho" or in other clothing areas of the world?