Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2023, 06:45:26 PM
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Uh oh
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Mmmmmmm Olsen
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Solid team. Olsen will be fine. Very happy with that. Welcome back Alex Moreno. And hoping to see Jhonny D put in a great display.
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That just feels unnecessary.
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Wait.... no Watkins even on the bench?!
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If the worst happens and we're trailing and/or JD gets crocked, will be interesting to see how we play up front. And by interesting I mean worrying.
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Daft question time… but what time is kick off? 8pm? Or 7:45? Just wondering as the teams are normally announced an hour in advance?
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Daft question time… but what time is kick off? 8pm? Or 7:45? Just wondering as the teams are normally announced an hour in advance?
8pm
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Please no injuries
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Daft question time… but what time is kick off? 8pm? Or 7:45? Just wondering as the teams are normally announced an hour in advance?
8pm
Thank you very much. Thought it was… just had a moment of confusion.
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Wonder why Ollie isn't even on the bench?
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Daft question time… but what time is kick off? 8pm? Or 7:45? Just wondering as the teams are normally announced an hour in advance?
Gives us an extra 15 minutes to calm down after seeing Olsen starting.
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If the worst happens and we're trailing and/or JD gets crocked, will be interesting to see how we play up front. And by interesting I mean worrying.
Zaniolo comes on and scores a worldie.
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Daft question time… but what time is kick off? 8pm? Or 7:45? Just wondering as the teams are normally announced an hour in advance?
8pm
Thank you very much. Thought it was… just had a moment of confusion.
For the European games we announce the team 75 mins before KO.
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Wonder why Ollie isn't even on the bench?
may have a bug
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Emi can’t play every game, so Olsen needs a start every now and then in case the unthinkable happens and Emi gets crocked.
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Legia fans
https://twitter.com/LegionisciCom/status/1730297793216942246
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With this selection, Emery is taking an unnecessary risk. We don’t want those extra games in February. If Martinez is fit enough for the bench, he’s fit enough to play. If you want to rest him, leave him out of the squad.
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If we fuck this up it's on that poor team selection
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Players may have knocks we don't know about. But if they don't it seems a bit of a risk putting that side out tonight rather than going all out for the group win at home and then being able to field a weaker side in Bosnia.
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Solid team. Olsen will be fine. Very happy with that. Welcome back Alex Moreno. And hoping to see Jhonny D put in a great display.
This post has got the potential to age very badly.
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Wonder why Ollie isn't even on the bench?
Might have picked up the cold that's going around from the WWWM crew, or Unai wants to give him a proper night off with 3 important games coming up. Hopefully, we'll find out after the game.
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Legia fans
https://twitter.com/LegionisciCom/status/1730297793216942246
Pet Shop Boys fans too by the sound of them, the barsterds! Now I have Go West earworm.
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That’s a stronger team than I expected. Good to see Moreno back.
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Legia fans
https://twitter.com/LegionisciCom/status/1730297793216942246
Pet Shop Boys fans too by the sound of them, the barsterds! Now I have Go West earworm.
Can't quite make out what they're singing, "Call that a Christmas festival"?
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Legia fans
https://twitter.com/LegionisciCom/status/1730297793216942246
Pet Shop Boys fans too by the sound of them, the barsterds! Now I have Go West earworm.
West End Poles.
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Don’t like the look of that team at all.
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This is a strong line up. I was expect McGinn to be rested. Big chance for Jhon.
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Legia fans
https://twitter.com/LegionisciCom/status/1730297793216942246
Pet Shop Boys fans too by the sound of them, the barsterds! Now I have Go West earworm.
West End Poles.
Domino Gdansking.
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Must be a big WMP operation. https://twitter.com/cliffordstott/status/1730259656923025774
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This should be erm… fun?
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Police hosses
https://twitter.com/IAmMattRice/status/1730301788899684795
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With this selection, Emery is taking an unnecessary risk. We don’t want those extra games in February. If Martinez is fit enough for the bench, he’s fit enough to play. If you want to rest him, leave him out of the squad.
Exactly this, if we are resting him, then rest him.
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Apparently the police still aren't letting Legia fans into the ground and have them waiting in the away car park.
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Legia fans
https://twitter.com/LegionisciCom/status/1730297793216942246
Pet Shop Boys fans too by the sound of them, the barsterds! Now I have Go West earworm.
West End Poles.
Domino Gdansking.
Marvellous.
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The Olsen hysteria isn't waning then I see
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Bit of a weird team selection, I thought Bailey would be definitely starting.
I don't see the point of resting a goalkeeper and not Having Watkins in reserve.
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Wonder why Ollie isn't even on the bench?
Might have picked up the cold that's going around from the WWWM crew, or Unai wants to give him a proper night off with 3 important games coming up. Hopefully, we'll find out after the game.
I can't see Emery just giving him the night off. If he's not sick/injured he should be on the bench. Don't play him if we don't have to but it would be madness to just not have the option there.
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Police hosses
https://twitter.com/IAmMattRice/status/1730301788899684795
Brother said last week they were bringing the horses in
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Solid team. Olsen will be fine. Very happy with that. Welcome back Alex Moreno. And hoping to see Jhonny D put in a great display.
This post has got the potential to age very badly.
Or cause needless mass hysteria.
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Hope the Ultras are enjoying the car park. Twats.
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If the worst happens and we're trailing and/or JD gets crocked, will be interesting to see how we play up front. And by interesting I mean worrying.
Zaniolo comes on and scores a worldie.
Lol
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Back to back posts in here literally saying "weak selection", "stronger than I expected". Maybe it just shows that we are pretty strong all around right now.
The only two questions I have is where the hell is Ollie and why Olsen now?
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Police hosses
https://twitter.com/IAmMattRice/status/1730301788899684795
I was waiting to see if the police had hoses or horses. Turns out it was hosses.
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Police hosses
https://twitter.com/IAmMattRice/status/1730301788899684795
Brother said last week they were bringing the horses in
I'd imagine the police are using tonight more as a training exercise than anything else. By all accounts there's more police out tonight than any other game we've played possibly ever.
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Solid team. Olsen will be fine. Very happy with that. Welcome back Alex Moreno. And hoping to see Jhonny D put in a great display.
This post has got the potential to age very badly.
Or cause needless mass hysteria.
Martinez isn't going to start every match, even when fit. The levels of breakdown whenever olsen starts are kinda silly
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Alkmaar are currently leading Mostar. AIUI that means that if it stays that way we are through as neither can overtake us. But we would still like to win tonight by two clear goals to ensure that we win the group and don't face a Europa League chuck out. So I would've gone for a stronger line up to night and then, if it all goes to plan, send the reserves out to the dead rubber in 2 weeks time
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Two officers injured as they move their twat fans up
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Legia fans not overly happy
https://twitter.com/CharDuncker/status/1730306265551659340
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Solid team. Olsen will be fine. Very happy with that. Welcome back Alex Moreno. And hoping to see Jhonny D put in a great display.
This post has got the potential to age very badly.
Or cause needless mass hysteria.
Martinez isn't going to start every match, even when fit. The levels of breakdown whenever olsen starts are kinda silly
So if we have to play a load of extra games in February because Olsen drops a clanger and we chose to put Martinez on the bench, therefore finishing as runners up in the group, that won’t be kinda silly?
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While an element of Legia fans are obviously twats, I do wonder how us, the city and WMP are planning on coping with 50k fans for tournament internationals when they seem to be struggling with less than 2k away fans.
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The only two questions I have is where the hell is Ollie and why Olsen now?
Someone posted during the week something like "we'll be fine as long as he doesn't play Olsen" and I thought to myself why on earth would anyone think we'd play Olsen now, when he hasn't featured in this competition at all?! But here we are.
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Solid team. Olsen will be fine. Very happy with that. Welcome back Alex Moreno. And hoping to see Jhonny D put in a great display.
This post has got the potential to age very badly.
Or cause needless mass hysteria.
Martinez isn't going to start every match, even when fit. The levels of breakdown whenever olsen starts are kinda silly
So if we have to play a load of extra games in February because Olsen drops a clanger and we chose to put Martinez on the bench, therefore finishing as runners up in the group, that won’t be kinda silly?
It's so so so boring lads, the same shit every time
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Olsen.
Be fucking shocked if we keep a clean sheet.
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Haven't Legia not won a game in their last 5? I'm sure I'd heard something along the lines of 3 defeats and two draws in the Polish League.
I like throwing in a new face rather than a complete team change. It gives the player the chance to show what he can do with the big boys rather than the stiffs. Our midfield is strong tonight, let's see how Duran gets on with some good service over 90 minutes.
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Olsen.
Be fucking shocked if we keep a clean sheet.
Do we ever keep a clean sheet? Even with Martinez.
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While an element of Legia fans are obviously twats, I do wonder how us, the city and WMP are planning on coping with 50k fans for tournament internationals when they seem to be struggling with less than 2k away fans.
Yeah, I have similar feelings. Not so much about the 50k thing, but about how we seem to be grabbing at the chance of going all 1980s again because some forrins are here for the match.
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Legia fans
https://twitter.com/LegionisciCom/status/1730297793216942246
Pact Shop Boys
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Solid team. Olsen will be fine. Very happy with that. Welcome back Alex Moreno. And hoping to see Jhonny D put in a great display.
This post has got the potential to age very badly.
Or cause needless mass hysteria.
Martinez isn't going to start every match, even when fit. The levels of breakdown whenever olsen starts are kinda silly
So if we have to play a load of extra games in February because Olsen drops a clanger and we chose to put Martinez on the bench, therefore finishing as runners up in the group, that won’t be kinda silly?
It's so so so boring lads, the same shit every time
Bizarre.
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Solid team. Olsen will be fine. Very happy with that. Welcome back Alex Moreno. And hoping to see Jhonny D put in a great display.
This post has got the potential to age very badly.
Or cause needless mass hysteria.
Mass hysteria? Can't say I saw scenes of mass panic on the streets of Witton on the walk down to the ground.
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Legia fans not overly happy
https://twitter.com/CharDuncker/status/1730306265551659340
Still not in the ground.
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Legia fans
https://twitter.com/LegionisciCom/status/1730297793216942246
Pet Shop Boys fans too by the sound of them, the barsterds! Now I have Go West earworm.
West End Poles.
Domino Gdansking.
Lech Make Lots of Money.
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https://twitter.com/CharDuncker/status/1730308155597353202
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I’ve never been sure about that old adage of if you treat people like animals; they’ll behave like them. Guess we might find out.
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Legia fans not overly happy
https://twitter.com/CharDuncker/status/1730306265551659340
What have they, what have they done to deserve this?
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The current police posture causes hostility but it’s also what comes from a supporter group that gains that reputation. Police can inflame the situation but they will also be panned by fans and the media of anything happens that could have been avoided. And it’s always a minority that ruins it for the majority.
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Legia fans
https://twitter.com/LegionisciCom/status/1730297793216942246
Pact Shop Boys
A Man Could Get Arrested
(Deep-cut, may have been the b-side to West End Girls. I should know really, they were top of my Spotify Unwrapped).
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I’ve never been sure about that old adage of if you treat people like animals; they’ll behave like them. Guess we might find out.
I was thinking the same. Not sure kettling people if they’ve done nothing wrong will work out in the long run, it just rules people.
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Legia fans
https://twitter.com/LegionisciCom/status/1730297793216942246
Pet Shop Boys fans too by the sound of them, the barsterds! Now I have Go West earworm.
West End Poles.
Domino Gdansking.
Lech Make Lots of Money.
Lodz of Money was there for the taking.
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I'm not sure the best way to diffuse any potential flashpoints is to lock them in a car park for a couple of hours when it's cold, and not let them in the ground with less than half an hour to kick off.
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It’s pronounced Wudj. (Łódź).
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It's also worth remembering that while there will be some twats in their support, their normal fans that are just like us are also being treated like shit.
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What's the reasoning for the police to be doing that to them?
Seems a pretty shitty thing to do to them, if it was our fans being treated like that away in Europe then I think we'd be pretty pissed off.
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Legia fans
https://twitter.com/LegionisciCom/status/1730297793216942246
Pet Shop Boys fans too by the sound of them, the barsterds! Now I have Go West earworm.
West End Poles.
Domino Gdansking.
Lech Make Lots of Money.
Lodz of Money was there for the taking.
Imagine being a Legia fan thinking, "I wonder what the villa forums are saying about the match" and landing on here to find the place alive with Pet Shop Boys puns. Marvellous.
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It feels a bit like the police were, ooh, an excuse to get the horses out and get a bit 1985 for a change.
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What's the reasoning for the police to be doing that to them?
Seems a pretty shitty thing to do to them, if it was our fans being treated like that away in Europe then I think we'd be pretty pissed off.
Was the Villa fan experience in Warsaw not something similar, except after the game?
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Unai just confirmed Ollie is 50% injury 50% rest. Minor knock.
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Emery just confirmed 50% rest for Ollie, 50% small pain/knock.
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We're through to the next round now anyway, confirmed by AZ beating Mostar. Legia need to win tonight to stay in it.
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Legia have issued a statement full of complaints about what's going on
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What's the reasoning for the police to be doing that to them?
Seems a pretty shitty thing to do to them, if it was our fans being treated like that away in Europe then I think we'd be pretty pissed off.
Was the Villa fan experience in Warsaw not something similar, except after the game?
Not sure, it just all seems a bit unnecessary from the police.
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Is the game likely to kickoff at 8?
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Doesn't look like any of the away fans are in.
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Zero Legia fans currently in the away end. Photo just sent from RedSox
(https://i.ibb.co/zP15z3G/01a.jpg)
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I'm sure the game kicking off while they are kettled on Witton Lane will end any disorder and calm the away fans.
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Unai didn’t say as much but a small knock for a Villa player usually means major surgery as a minimum!!
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I'm sure the game kicking off while they are kettled on Witton Lane will end any disorder and calm the away fans.
Yep. Prolonging it will have precisely the opposite affect. Nothing spending money to go to a game abroad and finding the police stopped you from seeing it. That’s going to calm the tension.
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I'm sure the game kicking off while they are kettled on Witton Lane will end any disorder and calm the away fans.
Very good
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Ollie has a slight injury.
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Big nights for Duran and Moreno.
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Legia have issued a statement full of complaints about what's going on
Précis. It’s a Sin
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Zero Legia fans currently in the away end. Photo just sent from RedSox
(https://i.ibb.co/zP15z3G/01a.jpg)
Shit support, my Lord...
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It's so so so boring lads, the same shit every time
Reported. Not letting discuss of team selection on match thread.
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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gooallllllll diaby
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Anyone help me out with a whatsit to watch, a thingummybob.
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Yesss
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Moussssssa
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Moooooous!
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DIABBYYYYYYYY, MOUSA!
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scoorchio!
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Sexy goal
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Oof. Slotage.
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Great goal Diaby
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Great finish by Diaby!
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Thats what I love about him - he has so much quality
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Great goal.
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I can't trust the SCORCHIOOOOOOOOOOOs anymore.
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great ball by Tielmans
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1-0
https://twitter.com/yorkballd/status/1730317108788027696
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Lovely stuff. Allez Moussa !
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Diabyyyy... MOUSA!
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Yesss, get in.
It's Diaby Delight!
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Durans quite nippy
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What a goal. Brilliant
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John Duran with an surprise bit of pace there
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Duran is quite… fast. Impressive!
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3 police officers hurt outside the ground apparently. As discussed already, they've probably made things worse for themselves.
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Duran has quite the turn of speed.
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Lovely finish
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That pace was impressive- so is the weight of pass from Tielemans.
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Not allowing them in, though.
Let's not forget, a lot of us are old enough to remember when it was us copping it for no good reason because of over-zealous policing.
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Shame Duran didn't go across the keeper there.
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We’ve not had much of the ball since the goal. Mostly them
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Not allowing them in, though.
Let's not forget, a lot of us are old enough to remember when it was us copping it for no good reason because of over-zealous policing.
I suspect the coppers have good reason. Cough
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There will be a lot of normal fans that are just like us that have paid for travel, tickets, possibly accomodation that are not being allowed in the ground. It's a complete fail by WMP and rather than calling all Legia fans twats we should be against this sort of shit as we approach 2024.
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Not allowing them in, though.
Let's not forget, a lot of us are old enough to remember when it was us copping it for no good reason because of over-zealous policing.
Hmm, at the very least it won't reflect well on us. I also wonder what UEFA will make of it..
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Not allowing them in, though.
Let's not forget, a lot of us are old enough to remember when it was us copping it for no good reason because of over-zealous policing.
Hmm, at the very least it won't reflect well on us. I also wonder what UEFA will make of it..
Has the club got any control over what the police are doing?
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All a bit dull this game. We’re at walking pace most of the time and the game almost exclusively being played in our defensive third. They are not threatening but constantly being played so deep only invites problems.
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Not allowing them in, though.
Let's not forget, a lot of us are old enough to remember when it was us copping it for no good reason because of over-zealous policing.
Hmm, at the very least it won't reflect well on us. I also wonder what UEFA will make of it..
Has the club got any control over what the police are doing?
None
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Only just catching up, I'm surprised that people were surprised by Durans pace, I've always thought he looked very quick.
I missed the goal (so thanks for the highlights PWS) but since I got it on we've looked totally in control and playing it at our pace.
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Legia are bound to cry 'foul' having to play this vital game without any of their supporters, being supporters who had not been banned by UEFA from attending. With the very big proviso that we don't know exactly what's been going on here, this has a terrible look about it.
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1-1
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kamara AGAIN FFS
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absolute awful pass KAmara
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Oh bollocks
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And there you fucking go. Exactly what I said. Stupid mistake fucking around with it at the back and we’ve conceded a needless goal.
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1-1
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Apparently the police still aren't letting Legia fans into the ground and have them waiting in the away car park.
We should've let them into the ground early. Was coming back from Walsall earlier so had to change trains at Aston at 6pm and police were flooding the platforms with the commander saying their fans needed to be directed to Witton. Let the decent ones in from 6 ish and then deal with the troublemakers with the flares and everyone else later on.
20 minutes gone and none of their fans in and going to be carnage after the match I fear. Already none of our fans can go outside to have a fag so there's obviously plenty of angry Polish fans outside.
1-1.
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Fucking hell Kamara, WTF?
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The fuck was that all about.
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???
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Shocking from Kamara
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Kamara does this way too often
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Nice playing out from the back again
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That’s sloppy
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What the hell was Kamara thinking???
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Aww for fuck sake, really poor Kamara.
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Stop fucking playing at snails pace and play in their fucking half.
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Has John McGinn touched the ball?
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Great finish but WTF was Kamara thinking?
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FFS, we've let them back in to it. (the team not the supporters)
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The old one-two: Olsen to Kamara and - weyhey - we concede.
TBF, Olsen wasn't really at fault.
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This is pretty shit tbh.
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You would assume Kamara didn't look... but he did. Makes it even stranger.
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close there from duran
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Individual errors again ... the players seem a little lethargic once more
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close there from duran
About time, he's been a complete passenger so far.
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There was no need after scoring for us to have played for almost 15 min that slow and that deep.
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Can we slow it down a bit, I can’t keep up with the scintillating pace of our game.
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That pass Keeper to Kamara around the edge of the penalty has cist us about 4 goals now. Why do they persist with it? Don't give him the ball there, ffs.
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This is pretty shit tbh.
Reminds me a bit of Everton in the cup.
If we lack intensity then we revert to average pretty quickly.
We'll still win this but it would be useful going to Bosnia without needing our key players who can rest up for the Brentford match a couple of days later.
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There was no need after scoring for us to have played for almost 15 min that slow and that deep.
Playing slow and deep didn't cause us the problem though, it was a g3enuinely awful pass and, to be fair, a world class finish.
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Have they let the Legia fans in yet?
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Supposedly, some Legia fans are chucking stuff at home fans. Great job WMP
https://twitter.com/samgeorgeody/status/1730319597406961823
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Clifford the observer is impressed, and distinctly unimpressed.
https://twitter.com/cliffordstott/status/1730272555951370674
https://twitter.com/cliffordstott/status/1730318475564831086
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There was no need after scoring for us to have played for almost 15 min that slow and that deep.
Playing slow and deep didn't cause us the problem though, it was a g3enuinely awful pass and, to be fair, a world class finish.
If we are constantly playing the ball across our penalty box and playing without any really desire to get forward eventually it increases the chances of a mistake being made. Make that mistake at their end it’s not an issue
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Is McGinn playing?
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Again we play the high risk pass from Olsen.
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Again we play the high risk pass from Olsen.
You can just tell the other players don't trust him on the ball
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Is McGinn playing?
Exactly what I asked earlier. In some games he is totally anonymous until Emery changes something.
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So far the goal aside another pretty shit home performance in Europe.
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pass to the strikers ffs
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Is McGinn playing?
Exactly what I asked earlier. In some games he is totally anonymous until Emery changes something.
He rarely plays well on the left.
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Is McGinn playing?
Exactly what I asked earlier. In some games he is totally anonymous until Emery changes something.
Playing in wrong position. Need to swap him with Tielemans
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JJ needs to come on that left side
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ffs ref advantage
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It’s all very ponderous and pedestrian.
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Hmmm. Not the brightest game… going to find a load of Stollen and nibble
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Good work from Tielemans there.
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WMP have really fucked up outside VP
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A few of tielemans passes have been so so sloppy
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yellow for that ?
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WMP have really fucked up outside VP
You’ve no idea what’s going on.
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Supposedly, some Legia fans are chucking stuff at home fans. Great job WMP
https://twitter.com/samgeorgeody/status/1730319597406961823
So they've escaped from the Witton pen and are now just roaming outside as that's the Holte end gap.
Not going to be safe for anyone who shortcuts through Aston Park if parked up round Upper Thomas Street so be careful folks if you're reading this at the game.
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lets hope this is our Tottenham half
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This really hasn't been very good, midfield not really functioning well
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I'm struggling to think of another game in England where all the away fans have been refused entry. Reflects very badly on WMP but also very much on us as it's at our ground.
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https://x.com/spotter1097/status/1730323022291095971?s=20
Uh-oh.
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It’s all very ponderous and pedestrian.
That’s seems to happen a lot in these European games.
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Tielemans forward balls are a bit wayward at times, but at least he's positive. McGinn isn't in the game at all.
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This is a salad of mundanity
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https://x.com/spotter1097/status/1730323022291095971?s=20
Uh-oh.
Bunch of ******
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We should be dominating this, FFS.
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WMP have really fucked up outside VP
You’ve no idea what’s going on.
It’s all over Twitter. Broken into the North stand, chucking bottles into the Holte from trinity road.
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https://x.com/spotter1097/status/1730323022291095971?s=20
Uh-oh.
So where are the police?
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https://x.com/spotter1097/status/1730323022291095971?s=20
Uh-oh.
So where are the police?
Eating donuts and drinking coffee outside the 7/11 probably.
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another breakdown attack
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https://x.com/spotter1097/status/1730323022291095971?s=20
Uh-oh.
So where are the police?
staying warm inside the riot vans
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Can only think we're happy with 2nd spot
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this ref is useless
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ref is an absolute moron.
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Moreno of old there
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Booking Luiz for that? Fuck sake.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13019864/aston-villa-three-police-officers-injured-after-clashes-with-legia-warsaw-fans-at-villa-park
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I would love another goal. But it’s too pedestrian at the moment. JJ on, switch McGinn and Tielemans around
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That bloody drives me mad. A player has a go at an opponent and the ref books both, despite one of them having done absolutely nothing won.
Why do officials always do that?
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What the fuck is wrong with kamara
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A very poor half from Kamara. Terrible pass
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no added time ?
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What the fuck is wrong with kamara
He's having one of those games he has every 10 games or so. Sloppy.
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Well that was all rather crap.
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As it stands we'll need to better Legia's result in the last game. So if Legia win we'll finish 2nd regardless of what we do in Mostar.
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A very poor half from Kamara. Terrible pass
That was so bad I actually laughed.
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I would love another goal. But it’s too pedestrian at the moment. JJ on, switch McGinn and Tielemans around
This
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Unai needs to tell the team that this isn’t a walking football match.
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So slow and ponderous on the ball. Tempo needs to increase massively
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Don't tell me we can't beat these.
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Pretty poor - sort it out Villa.
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Glad my mate forgot to book our tickets and I'm at home with a whisky instead.
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I know this is the match thread but I fear for the fans coming out of the game whatever the result with this going on.
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I get part of the game plan is to stop them having the ball and controlling possession. But how about we do it in their half and not ours. And specifically not outside our box. We didn’t need to play the way we did and the mistake and goal we conceded was very avoidable.
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I think we'll see a very different second half. That was pretty dire.
Need to up the pace and use Moreno more, the times it went to him things happened. Very disappointing after such a great start.
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I know this is the match thread but I fear for the fans coming out of the game whatever the result with this going on.
Absolutely. The police have made this a far worse situation than it needed to be.
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Up the pace, stop having duran run away from the ball because no one is filling the void and get JJ on.. we'll be fine.
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Moreno looks decent as does Dougie. Konsa was superb. Just need the rest of the side to perk up.
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The way we came out in the first few minutes I thought we would run riot. I was wrong.
Boring, tepid garbage. Kamara is not having his best night and Olsen and the defence are taking a few unnecessary risks playing with the ball at the back. We don't look like winning the game thus far and Unai needs to change something pronto.
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Lots of people on twitter saying there's loads of Legia fans in the ground (in home seats)
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I know this is the match thread but I fear for the fans coming out of the game whatever the result with this going on.
Very glad me & my dad chose to go to the AZ game instead. Looks a bit moody outside, and he's not one for making quick getaways these days
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What happens if it ends 2-1, do away goals count? I guess if it' 3-2 it just goes down to gd
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Don't think the performance is anywhere near as bad as some are making out. Doubt back 5 have ever played together so bound to be a few issues. Moreno and Lenglet have been decent. Konsa and Luiz have been good too. Diaby with a fine goal after a run of ropey form.
Kamara gave them their equaliser. Both McGinn and Tielemans very average, wouldn't be surprised if McGinn was hooked soon but don't understand their positioning at all. Maybe McGinn selected to give Moreno a bit more protection but he looks a bit weary tonight. Duran is very fortunate Watkins isn't on the bench or it would be there games in a row replaced at half time.
Legia are no mugs.
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Moreno looks decent as does Dougie. Konsa was superb. Just need the rest of the side to perk up.
Konsa is my favourite player by a mile these days, absolutely class every single time and so calm
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Rubbish really, apart from the goal we have passed it sideways, backwards with little effect and zero intensity
You can tell, Villa Park is silent for this European game under lights.
Not for the first time does Kamara give a goal away through being half asleep when the ball is passed out to him
We need to be the team on the front foot for the second half , to wake up the crowd and win
can we buy that guy who has scored 3 in 2 games against us >
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It isn't about bad individual performances (bar Kamara's clanger), we just lack a bit of coherence.
If Kamara hadn't dropped that bollock, it would be a totally different story, Legia are having a go but haven't really done much else.
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Olsen has improved, at least.
Up to very poor from abysmal. Some solid effort and he might nudge poor > below average.
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Lots of people on twitter saying there's loads of Legia fans in the ground (in home seats)
RedSox says he's seen a bunch getting the heave ho from the home ends, including from close to him.
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What happens if it ends 2-1, do away goals count? I guess if it' 3-2 it just goes down to gd
no more than home goals....
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One thing, even after that stray pass from Kamara he’s still showing and he hasn’t gone missing at all.
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JJ has to start the 2nd half.
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Olsen has improved, at least.
Up to very poor from abysmal. Some solid effort and he might nudge poor > below average.
He’s just so slow off the line, we had a corner and the ball came all the way back and Martinez would have been right on it. It took ages for Olsen to appear. Also he does play the odd pass when you wonder why he chose it.
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No changes
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I know this is the match thread but I fear for the fans coming out of the game whatever the result with this going on.
Absolutely. The police have made this a far worse situation than it needed to be.
I expect they will be kept in for a while.
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I know this is the match thread but I fear for the fans coming out of the game whatever the result with this going on.
Absolutely. The police have made this a far worse situation than it needed to be.
So what's going on now then? How come there is a group of Legia fans, albeit a small group, able to wander around outside the ground throwing bottles into the stand, with no police in sight? Have any Legia fans now made it into their allocated seats in the DE? If so, how are things inside the ground?
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We don't always have to play it out from the back. Mix it up. Less predictable.
Come on lads, much better second half needed.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13019864/aston-villa-three-police-officers-injured-after-clashes-with-legia-warsaw-fans-at-villa-park
sounds like a total clusterfuck.
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I know this is the match thread but I fear for the fans coming out of the game whatever the result with this going on.
Absolutely. The police have made this a far worse situation than it needed to be.
I expect they will be kept in for a while.
Are they even in the ground yet?
I get the feeling some wandering round Aston currently will probably sack off wanting to watch the match now and will just hang around and wait for some isolated Villa fans to attack after the match in a dimly lit area a bit away from the ground.
Be careful everyone.
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Not sure Youri could have done much about that ball striking his arm
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Seems like the police just saw it as a chance to give it the big I am.
Obviously I've got no idea for their reasoning, but I feel sorry for the poor fuckers coming all this way to be treated like that.
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off the bar from legia
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Come on Villa.
Win this.
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In his own postcode with that header...
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FFS Villa, fucking wake up, this is still shit.
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off the bar from legia
Silence for that so there is minimal away presence still.
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FFS Villa, wake up!!
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close from diaby
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Come on! That’s a shocking start to the half.
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Maybe we want the gate money from an extra round? Holte Suite needs the money.
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Diaby close with a chance similar to the one he scored from.
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Lovely build up there. This is better
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Better.
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Their keeper looks decent.
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thats more like it!
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Much better last few minutes.
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How is that a yellow for Tielemans?
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never a yellow
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Refs had a mare there
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The ref though
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How is that a yellow for Tielemans?
Joke of a decision.
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This referee is shite.
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where do they find these clowns?
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The yellow cards in the match have been an absolute joke.
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Maybe we want the gate money from an extra round? Holte Suite needs the money.
They'll be some decent teams dropping in from the Europa league so odd mentality especially as February would be pretty light without the play off round.
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And we thought English officials were shit.
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Villa have issued a statement. Maybe all the “experts” on here might read this before further commenting:
Aston Villa Football Club can confirm that no away fans were allowed into Villa Park for this evening’s UEFA Europa Conference League fixture with Legia Warsaw on the advice of West Midlands Police following large-scale disorder outside the stadium caused by visiting supporters.
The UK safety authorities, UEFA and Aston Villa, communicated on November 2 that the ticket allocation for away fans for this fixture would be reduced to 1,002 on the advice of safety authorities as a result of previous large-scale disorder caused by Legia fans last month at AZ Alkmaar.
A number of Dutch police officers were injured during that disorder. As a consequence, UEFA banned Legia supporters from travelling to Mostar for their game against HŠK Zrinjski.
In spite of numerous requests for cooperation from Legia Warsaw concerning their travelling supporters, especially in the last two days, no assistance on the serious safety matter of away fans attending Villa Park was forthcoming from the visiting club. The club has repeatedly, including this morning, raised concerns in conjunction with UEFA and all the relevant authorities to Legia that ticketless away supporters were attempting to attend Villa Park.
Approximately an hour before kick-off, Legia fans engaged in planned and systematic violent acts against West Midlands Police officers and a decision was then made by West Midlands Police to exclude all Legia supporters.
Aston Villa strongly condemns the behaviour of those visiting supporters and would like to thank West Midlands Police for their professionalism in very difficult circumstances.
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I've just seen fan footage of legia fans lobbing bottles into the holte end from trinity Rd.
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You can't jump for a header with raising your arms. Unless you're zebedee of course.
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Good to see that both teams haven't obviously settled for the draw
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The home performances in this competition have been really, really poor.
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Morennooooooooooooooooooo
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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2-0.
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MOOOOOREEEEEENNNNOOOOOOO!!
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Moreno!!!!!!!!!!!
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Booooom!
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2-1
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2-0.
Ermmm...
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Great finish Alex
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Gotta love Moreno!
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GETTTT INN!!!!!!
ALEX!!!!!
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Great finish Alex.
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Love Alex, plays with a smile on his face
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Sexy mofo.
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I see a replacement for Watkins has been found. Goes by the name of Moreno!!
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Just picked up the thread - just in time for the update. Mind you the comment about their bonehead fans lobbing bottles is disconcerting.
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What a goal!! Genius free kick!
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Yesssssssssss!
Would have been a pen for the foul on Duran surely, if that hadn't gone in?
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Love Alex, plays with a smile on his face
Brilliant signing he has been
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That’s a great finish by Moreno. Now let’s score another and win the group.
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Yesssssssssss!
Would have been a pen for the foul on Duran surely, if that hadn't gone in?
Not with this ref
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no yellow for that ???
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How many fouls is their 55 going to get away with?
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Needed that. Welcome back Alex!
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Magic Moreno!
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Be great to win group tonight and properly rest some more for the last game. Midfielders mainly
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Yesssssssssss!
Would have been a pen for the foul on Duran surely, if that hadn't gone in?
I thought that as well, it was pretty rough from the defender.
Not sure how the guy didn't get a Yellow for going through Duran again there, given the soft yellows he's given against us.
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close there from FK
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
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Durans up for it
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
To win the group tonight.
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
because if we win by 2 we have the goal difference in th ehead-to-head with these meaning they couldn't go above us.
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I’d love Duran to bury one tonight
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
stupid rule
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
IF we lose the next one, and Legia win, they go above us still on head to head. 3-1 win tonight would mean it didn't matter in mostar.
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
Guarantee to win group we could lose the last game 10.0 and it wouldn't matter as head to head counts. Currently all square.
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Diaby looking a lot brighter this half, much more like his old self.
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Durans up for it
He's been really good in this second half. Working hard.
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Well it looks like we do want the win by 2 clear goals after all. We didn't look bothered in the first half.
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Durans up for it
He's been really good in this second half. Working hard.
Yeah, he is definitely putting a shift in.
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
Guarantee to win group we could lose the last game 10.0 and it wouldn't matter as head to head counts. Currently all square.
I think they still lead on goals scored against us in the H2H.
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Can someone assure me, if we win tonight and the last game, we win the group?
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2-0.
Ermmm...
My bad as I think young people say. My only excuse is I've had a stressful day.
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Other than scoring, how does Moreno look? Moving well?
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Muci looks half decent for them
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Olsens quick distribution has been very good second half.
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
Guarantee to win group we could lose the last game 10.0 and it wouldn't matter as head to head counts. Currently all square.
I think they still lead on goals scored against us in the H2H.
Haven't we both scored 4 in H2H?
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If we win by one goal tonight, does that mean we only need a draw in the final game to secure top spot?
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Yes ref about bloody time 🟨
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Other than scoring, how does Moreno look? Moving well?
Super
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
Guarantee to win group we could lose the last game 10.0 and it wouldn't matter as head to head counts. Currently all square.
I think they still lead on goals scored against us in the H2H.
Haven't we both scored 4 in H2H?
As it stands we've both scored 4, which is why we need to win by 2 goals.
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Can someone assure me, if we win tonight and the last game, we win the group?
Most likely, bar Legia winning their last game 5 or 6-0.
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JJ and Bailey coming on
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If we win by one goal tonight, does that mean we only need a draw in the final game to secure top spot?
Yes. If we win by 2 tonight though we have won the group and can send the kids out to Bosnia for the dead rubber in two weeks
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
Guarantee to win group we could lose the last game 10.0 and it wouldn't matter as head to head counts. Currently all square.
I think they still lead on goals scored against us in the H2H.
Haven't we both scored 4 in H2H?
Yep, so it would then go to goal difference for the group, meaning a big win for them and a defeat for us could be enough to put them above us.
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
Guarantee to win group we could lose the last game 10.0 and it wouldn't matter as head to head counts. Currently all square.
Doh!!!
I forgot there is another game.
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If we win by one goal tonight, does that mean we only need a draw in the final game to secure top spot?
Yes. If we win by 2 tonight though we have won the group and can send the kids out to Bosnia for the dead rubber in two weeks
Ok ta.
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If we win by one goal tonight, does that mean we only need a draw in the final game to secure top spot?
Yes. If we win by 2 tonight though we have won the group and can send the kids out to Bosnia for the dead rubber in two weeks
Who are the kids? Do we have any?
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Yes!!!
Why do we need win by 2 goals?
We have 12 points!!?
Guarantee to win group we could lose the last game 10.0 and it wouldn't matter as head to head counts. Currently all square.
Doh!!!
I forgot there is another game.
I join you with a Doh as I can't do maths.
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In spite of numerous requests for cooperation from Legia Warsaw concerning their travelling supporters, especially in the last two days, no assistance on the serious safety matter of away fans attending Villa Park was forthcoming from the visiting club. The club has repeatedly, including this morning, raised concerns in conjunction with UEFA and all the relevant authorities to Legia that ticketless away supporters were attempting to attend Villa Park.
Approximately an hour before kick-off, Legia fans engaged in planned and systematic violent acts against West Midlands Police officers
Legia’s officials sound like they are as much wankers as their ticketless fans. No respect given to those fans that have travelled with tickets.
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Moreno goal
https://twitter.com/TheAthleticFC/status/1730336462577488259
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Not just their fans that are twats then.
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Bailey to score one too?
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got to be another yellow there
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VAR PEN
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That was a great move.
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nothing doing
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Dirty team, dirty fans. It's like 40 years ago watching them...
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There were thousands of ticketless Villa fans in Holland for the recent game, only a handful of them were wankers.
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That tackle on Luiz was a bit nasty, these are a right bunch of c**ts, on and off the pitch.
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Poor from Lenglet
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should have gone to Bailey
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zaniolo worldie to come
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There were thousands of ticketless Villa fans in Holland for the recent game, only a handful of them were wankers.
Although I doubt many were hanging around next to the stadium.
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Zaniolo to bury an absolute shitpinger inside 5 minutes.
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Screamer time
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So how long will they keep them penned in?
They’re gonna be freezing!!
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should have gone to Bailey
Lovely play though, another heavy challenge on Moreno as well.
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Hmmm..
. Thought Alex and Moussa were our best attacking threat...
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How did Duran manage that? Definitely one you’d want in your trench with that never say die approach.
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There were thousands of ticketless Villa fans in Holland for the recent game, only a handful of them were wankers.
They werent travelling with “intent”.
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Never mind a worldie, just something off Zaniolo’s arse would do!!
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How did Duran manage that? Definitely one you’d want in your trench with that never say die approach.
and to think people were questioning his attitude a few weeks back, I think that particular myth can be considered well and truly busted after tonight, he's put in a Watkins level shift here.
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lenglet clanger
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Duran has done everything but score tonight. Impressive performance, whereas he’s still developing, there’s a talent there.
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Close
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bailey hits bar
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Arrrgh Bailey that was unlucky.
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Fuck me, how close was that!
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Gotta be no more than millimetres.
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Very very unlucky by Bailey there. 1 cm lower and that’s a worldie.
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Bailey with nearly a gorgeous goal. Off the bar
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Wow great ball by Olsen
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Dendonker worldie
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Don't remember us ever having three different captains in one game
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Did the keeper get a touch to Bailey's shot?
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I’ll take one off the arse from Dendonker right now.
Would love us to win 3-1.
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Other than scoring, how does Moreno look? Moving well?
Super
MOTM
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bloody lora Cash
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Did the keeper get a touch to Bailey's shot?
Think so
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What is the point of Duran?
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bloody Nora Cash
FTFY
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What a first touch in there from Bailey, he's really unlucky not to have something here, he's been a massive threat.
Duran should've had a tap in there.
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Fack off with playing backwards in the dying minutes.
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What is the point of Duran?
He's had a good game.
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ffs ref advantage u tosser
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What is the point of Duran?
He's only 19...
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Not impressed by the standard of refs in the Conference league
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bailey pass the fucker
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Full time
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Advantage referee!!
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So does this mean that we've won the group now?
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Ref's a proper knob.
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So does this mean that we've won the group now?
No
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So does this mean that we've won the group now?
No.
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So does this mean that we've won the group now?
No, not yet. Need 1 point to be sure.
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Poor first half. Ok second half.
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Feels slightly anti climactic. We were already qualified before kick off, we're still already qualified.
Moreno being back is probably the highlight of the night.
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So does this mean that we've won the group now?
If legia don't win their last game.
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Not quite, probably 95% chance we finish top.
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Assuming Legia win against AZ, we need a point to win the group.
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Another disappointing (by our standards) performance in this competition. Lots of reasons, I don't doubt but we've yet to REALLY show up. Still, plenty of time and we're obviously more focused on the PL.
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Assuming Legia win against AZ, we need a point to win the group.
Legia would still have to turn around the goal difference in the scenario that we lose
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So because it finished 4-4 the teams are considered tied in terms of performance against each other and therefore we need a point in Serbia to be sure of top spot? Nnnngh, I was hoping it would be a dead rubber so I wouldn't be bothered about finding a pub in the middle of London on the 14th between doing Xmassy things...
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So because it finished 4-4 the teams are considered tied in terms of performance against each other and therefore we need a point in Serbia to be sure of top spot? Nnnngh, I was hoping it would be a dead rubber so I wouldn't be bothered about finding a pub in the middle of London on the 14th between doing Xmassy things...
I don’t think there’s any chance of us getting a point in Serbia.
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So because it finished 4-4 the teams are considered tied in terms of performance against each other and therefore we need a point in Serbia to be sure of top spot? Nnnngh, I was hoping it would be a dead rubber so I wouldn't be bothered about finding a pub in the middle of London on the 14th between doing Xmassy things...
I don’t think there’s any chance of us getting a point in Serbia.
Can I have you on my pub quiz team, Richard? I thought Zrinjski Mostar was a race horse.
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Haven’t been to a pub quiz for ages. Last time I got into an argument with the quiz master about which European country had borders with the most other countries.
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Haven’t been to a pub quiz for ages. Last time I got into an argument with the quiz master about which European country had borders with the most other countries.
Russia?
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Haven’t been to a pub quiz for ages. Last time I got into an argument with the quiz master about which European country had borders with the most other countries.
Russia?
I think so but he reckoned it was Germany
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Haven’t been to a pub quiz for ages. Last time I got into an argument with the quiz master about which European country had borders with the most other countries.
Russia?
I think so but he reckoned it was Germany
You can take the man out of Wolverhampton..