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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Footy-Vill on November 08, 2023, 09:01:30 PM
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A player is banned for one match if they have 5 Yellow cards in team's first 19 games.
8 matches remain then before the threshold rises to 10 Yellow Cards by 32 games played (up to and including)
So after 11 matches Premier matches played.
4 Yellows = close to suspension: Kamara, Digne and Luiz.
3 Yellows: Matty Cash.
2 Yellows : Martínez, McGinn, Duran and Zaniolo.
We are 10th in the table for Yellow Cards :26 in total. No sending offs this season.
Interestingly we are 3rd for most yellow cards at home:15.
Overall home and away Arsenal have the least :16 Yellow
Chelsea and Wolves the most: 35 Yellows.
The biggest fouler in Villa team is: Kamara
(7th overall of players in the Prem)
1.8 fouls a game
2.2 at Home.
The other offenders who foul once or more a game are =fouls per game overall stat.
Zaniolo 1.4
McGinn 1.3
Luiz & Digne 1.2
Cash & Duran 1
The likelihood and possiblity then is Kamara in particular is going to have a suspension.
It's not surprising—rather than being unacceptable—that he receives so many yellow cards and commits the most fouls given his position and role on the team.
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Useful stuff, keep us posted.
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Agreed.
It's incredibly liberating to know who the Villa's 'biggest fouler ' is
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A player is banned for one match if they have 5 Yellow cards in team's first 19 games.
9 matches remain then before the threshold rises to 10 Yellow Cards by 32 games played (up to and including)
So after 10 matches Premier matches played.
4 Yellows = close to suspension: Kamara, Digne and Luiz.
3 Yellows: Matty Cash.
2 Yellows : Martínez, McGinn, Duran and Zaniolo.
We are 10th in the table for Yellow Cards :26 in total. No sending offs this season.
Interestingly we are 3rd for most yellow cards at home:15.
Overall home and away Arsenal have the least :16 Yellow
Chelsea and Wolves the most: 35 Yellows.
The biggest fouler in Villa team is: Kamara
(7th overall of players in the Prem)
1.8 fouls a game
2.2 at Home.
The other offenders who foul once or more a game are =fouls per game overall stat.
Zaniolo 1.4
McGinn 1.3
Luiz & Digne 1.2
Cash & Duran 1
The likelihood and possiblity then is Kamara in particular is going to have a suspension.
It's not surprising—rather than being unacceptable—that he receives so many yellow cards and commits the most fouls given his position and role on the team.
Thorough piece of work Footy. I wonder if the overall trend has dropped off since the early days of the season where you were given a yellow card for sneezing after a foul had been given by the ref?
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Interesting what team we pick v Fulham.
Given Spurs could be missing half their regular team v us we don't want to be giving back that advantage by losing Kamara and Luiz for that game with 5 yellow.
At least Moreno should hopefully get some minutes in next few days so Digne being out wouldn't be as impactful.
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Fouls and Contact:
Any challenge deemed "careless" will be deemed a foul, any which are "reckless" will receive a yellow card, and any player who "endangers the safety" of an opponent will be sent off.
A higher threshold will be applied to "contact" between players - meaning there should be fewer free-kicks awarded for incidents which last season might well have been penalised for being overly physical.
Last season overall : 21.6 offences per game
This season so far: 22.4 fouls per game
In the last 20 years Premier League matches have never been below an average of 20 fouls per game.
Since 2011-12 the average has never gone above 22.7 fouls per game
This Season Aston Villa matches average 5 cards per game.
And our team average is 2.6 cards received a match
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Time wasting:
Last season Prem games per time wasting card: 4.4
Refs are now more robust in penalising "clear and impactful actions" that waste time.
Before this season started.
Since 2003-04, more cards for time-wasting have been shown to defenders (279) and midfielders (281) than goalkeepers (247).
This season:
5 Time wasting Yellow cards by 5 players (1GK, 2Def, 2attackers)
Emi Martinez 94th min ! v Chelsea!
Luca Digne after 32min v Newcastle
Leon Bailey v Palace.
Ezri Konsa 58 mins and then Jhon Duran(Pointless !) 95th min ! v Brighton !
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Dissent:
Last season it was every 4.1 premier league games for a dissent yellow card
The threshold for a player to be shown a yellow card for dissent has been reduced this season.
Villa players booked for Dissent: 2
1.First day of season Douglas Luiz was booked for dissent just six minutes in v Newcastle United.
2. Zaniolo booked in 1st half injury time v Crystal Palace.
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Simon Hopper ref Vs Fulham.
In 3 of the past 4 matches officiated Villa game he's booked Douglas Luiz
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I tell you what, that Emery has balls of steel. Not for him the taking off of players on 4 yellows when you're 3-0 up, and a tough away game at a top 4 rival next game up.
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Considering we only committed 4 fouls all game, compared to their tag team fouling (17 fouls), getting 2 yellow cards was careless, although admittedly Konsa's was for taking too long over a free kick.
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Considering we only committed 4 fouls all game, compared to their tag team fouling (17 fouls), getting 2 yellow cards was careless, although admittedly Konsa's was for taking too long over a free kick.
I thought the yellow for Konsa was really harsh given the game had been stopped for a while to check the offside, etc. Watkins was a clear yellow but I'm not sure how Palhinha and Robinson both finished the game for them.
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Does it seem like a pattern in recent games that teams keep kicking us off the park & having fuck all repercussions but as soon as we so much as invade an opposition players 'safe space', we are getting a whistle before the official has even computed what has happened?
Or am I being a bit paranoid?
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Does it seem like a pattern in recent games that teams keep kicking us off the park & having fuck all repercussions but as soon as we so much as invade an opposition players 'safe space', we are getting a whistle before the official has even computed what has happened?
Or am I being a bit paranoid?
I think you going a bit too far but there have been 3 games in a row where the oppositions biggest bastard has stuck to Watkins and pulled, pushed and kicked him all game. I think teams have decided that is how to knock him off his game and it's something he both needs to get used to but that we need to make sure refs are aware of as well.
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The last time we had a red card in a league game was 9th Feb 2022. Konsa at home to Leeds in a 3-3 draw for a 2nd bookable offence.
Luiz was sent off in the 3-0 defeat at Fulham in October 2022 but this was rescinded.
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Paliniha made four fouls on McGinn in first half alone.
Hooper did seem one of those refs who basically just decided not to book anyone first half and then the cards came out for identical offences in second half.
Ollie's was a booking as that was a bit of a reckless lunge.
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Considering we only committed 4 fouls all game, compared to their tag team fouling (17 fouls), getting 2 yellow cards was careless, although admittedly Konsa's was for taking too long over a free kick.
So 17+ 4 which is 21.
This is around the usual for a Prem game.
in twenty years, since records began, refs have never awarded fewer than 20 fouls per match average , with only three seasons averaging fewer than 21 fouls per match.
Hooper averages 22.3 fouls a game this season
Since 2011-12 the average number of fouls awarded per Prem game has never gone above 22.7
Are the referees instructed with figures to go on, as they are essentially averaging it out to around one foul per player.
Are they somehow keeping track of how many fouls are being committed in the match and being informed?
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The International FA Board (Ifab) is now considering only allowing captains to speak to officials and 10-minute sin-bins for dissent in professional game to tackle player misbehaviour.
FA research has seen a marked decrease of dissent incidents in grassroots football since the sin-bin pilot was introduced, with players, coaches and referees all in favour of continuing with the trial.
IFAB said
"Players approaching (referees) in an aggressive manner simply cannot be tolerated any longer. We have even seen on a number of occasions where players deliberately go behind a referee with others coming in front of him so he cannot get away.
If only the captain can approach the referee, then afterwards he or she can explain to their team-mates what has happened. This has worked well in other sports such as rugby and basketball.'
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Good, if they introduce and actually enforce that it will be a massive improvement.
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Yes long term sin bins are being considered for certain fouls as well but initially player dissent is wanting to be tackled.
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Good, if they introduce and actually enforce that it will be a massive improvement.
I've been saying for years, even before the Manure players infamously stampeded the ref lead by a screaming captain that they have the facility to nip this in the bud early, even if it means matches were abandoned due to lack of players on the pitch. The trouble is they allowed the major names to get away with it, and each season when they did launch a Respect-The-Ref initiative, they would back down after the first few games* and not book / send the players off.
*Last season a wolves player got his second yellow for approaching the ref and sent off as they stated only the captain or a player nearby can pre-season. The match the next day had Man Citeh players doing the same thing and no cards were shown.
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Good, if they introduce and actually enforce that it will be a massive improvement.
Enforcement is key (see also: 10 yards for not retreating 10 yards from a free kick; not surrounding the refs; etc).
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Good, if they introduce and actually enforce that it will be a massive improvement.
Enforcement is key (see also: 10 yards for not retreating 10 yards from a free kick; not surrounding the refs; etc).
Boils my piss when players stand around clearly obstructing a free kick being taken. Nothing is ever done about it and it ends up being a disadvantage to the team.
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As per usual the authorities are complicating matters. Apart from the captain, just give the other players a yellow who hassle the ref. Enforce what was already in place (e.g. Wolves player as mentioned by poster above). It will soon stop if enforced properly.
I have no faith in these authorities. They should be sorting out the current mess instead of creating more problems.
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One match away from suspension:Kamara, Luiz, and Digne
Next Game:Spurs
Ref: Rob Jones
Yellow cards:
Second-most yellow cards awarded this season. 47.Averages 5 yellows a game.
For time-wasting: 2 yellows
For Dissent: 8 (2nd most) Booked Sheff Utd Manager for Dissent
Red Cards: 3 in 9 matches. Average a red card every 3 matches.(2 dissmisals were for second yellows).
Penalties: 3 awarded in 9 games.
Villa games reffed this season:
Wolves 1-1 Villa. 5 yellow cards in Match Including Red Card Lemina (second yellow).Booked Kamara and McGinn for fouls
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This season, 15/20 Premier League managers have been booked for dissent.
At a meeting with the FA and the Professional Game Match Officials Board [PGMOL], the Premier League and Officials are to take a stronger stance on this upon resumption of the league matches. Managers will risk touchline bans, and clubs would face higher fines for touchline abuse, dissent, and criticism of officials.
Unai Emery is not one of the managers who have been booked this season. He's such a class act.
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What is pleasing is how Emery knows respect. Unai is passionate and vocal on the sidelines, but he isn't interested in antics, dissent, and whining that other managers and coaches engage in. There are some top managers who are particularly bad. But, despite high stakes Emery conducts him self like a true professional.
Emery behaviour is excellent and I'm proud as he serves as a lesson to other clubs as well as his own players about standards and respect. It's just another reason to love the guy!
Unai carry on with your exemplary ways- It's a credit how you represent our football club.
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Great stuff thanks for posting.
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One match away from suspension:Kamara, Luiz, and Digne
Next Game:Spurs
Ref: Rob Jones
Yellow cards:
Second-most yellow cards awarded this season. 47.Averages 5 yellows a game.
For time-wasting: 2 yellows
For Dissent: 8 (2nd most) Booked Sheff Utd Manager for Dissent
Red Cards: 3 in 9 matches. Average a red card every 3 matches.(2 dissmisals were for second yellows).
Penalties: 3 awarded in 9 games.
Villa games reffed this season:
Wolves 1-1 Villa. 5 yellow cards in Match Including Red Card Lemina (second yellow).Booked Kamara and McGinn for fouls
4 Bookings in the match all to Villa.
Two matches reffed by Jones this season and two bookings for Kamara And McGinn
Yellow for Cash who did a reckless foul, it was very ill disciplined and could have been red.
Rob Jones likes to book for Dissent, as mentioned above.
Yellows today for Dissent for McGinn and Watkins
Yet that was harsh for both. On Watkins it was rightfully a corner as Spurs defender Davies headed off but was given as a goal kick! Watkins complained and then booked!
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So after 13 matches Premier matches played.
5 Yellows and Suspension for Bournemouth : Kamara
4 Yellows = close to suspension: Digne, Cash and Luiz.
3 Yellows: McGinn
2 Yellows : Martínez, Duran and Zaniolo, Watkins
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When do these all reset to zero? Is it a Christmas present for the players concerned or do we have to wait til January?
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When do these all reset to zero? Is it a Christmas present for the players concerned or do we have to wait til January?
They don't, it's a sliding threshold:
5 in the first 19 is a 1 game ban
10 in the season is a 2 game ban
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When do these all reset to zero? Is it a Christmas present for the players concerned or do we have to wait til January?
They don't, it's a sliding threshold:
5 in the first 19 is a 1 game ban
10 in the season is a 2 game ban
30th December is when the threshold raises to 10 Yellow cards.
4 Yellows = close to suspension: Digne, Cash and Luiz.
3 Yellows: McGinn
2 Yellows : Martínez, Duran and Zaniolo, Watkins
Players above at most need to negotiate these 6 games.
Bournemouth (A)
Man City (H)
Arsenal (H)
Brentford (A)
Sheffield Utd(H)
Man Utd (A)
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I hope that doesn’t mean Donk against Bournemouth.
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I hope that doesn’t mean Donk against Bournemouth.
In the Prem
Dendocker has played 7 minutes this season.
Chambers zero minutes
Preference neither.
For Bournemouth:
Douglas Luiz has started every Prem game.
We could see the duo of John McGinn and Luiz , both stated every Prem game, to keep things solid in the absence of Boubacar Kamara.
Luiz will not be able to go forward as much perhaps without Kamara but Ramsey or Tielemans can be the midfielder that does that role.
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I hope that doesn’t mean Donk against Bournemouth.
I imagine McGinn and Luiz will be the central 2 but it would be interesting if Iroegbunam impressed Thursday night.
The suspension rules are a bit harsh for players who are ever presents (or close to that). It favours squads that rotate their players.
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Red Cards.
Sending Off and automatic one match Suspension.
Denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring
opportunity by a handball offence.
Denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an
opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender’s
goal by an offence punishable by a free kick
Receiving a second caution in the same match.
2 matches Suspension:
Using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures.
3 Matches Suspension:
Serious foul play
Violent conduct
6 Matches Suspension:
Spitting at an opponent or any other person
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I hope that doesn’t mean Donk against Bournemouth.
Will surely just be Tielemans in and Bailey starting aswell if we revert to four at the back.
Not sure why UE is so allergic to starting Youri in premier league games. Really good from the start v Fulham and set up the winner yesterday and was composed in other parts of the game.
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I hope that doesn’t mean Donk against Bournemouth.
Will surely just be Tielemans in and Bailey starting aswell if we revert to four at the back.
Not sure why UE is so allergic to starting Youri in premier league games. Really good from the start v Fulham and set up the winner yesterday and was composed in other parts of the game.
I'd be starting Tielemans as well. Surely a much better idea than Cash wide right and with some actual proven success behind it.
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When do cards 'reset' is it at the halfway point?
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Usually is.
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When do cards 'reset' is it at the halfway point?
19 matches in for 10 cards to be a ban, however if a player was on 9 on 19 matches and got one on match 20, they would be banned for the totting up to 10. Personally I think they should have a ruling based on squad registry in the August Window and January one, so if a new player is a dirty bastard, they still get one match ban after 5 matches instead of being 10.
Or just keep it as for every 5 yellows, you get a ban.
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Duran and Zaniolo really need to watch discipline a lot more.
I feel both have let themselves down with bookings this season.
So after 14 matches Premier matches played.
5 Yellows: Kamara
4 Yellows = : Close to Suspension Digne, Cash and Luiz.
3 Yellows: McGinn, Zaniolo, Duran
2 Yellows : Martínez, Watkins,Konsa.
5 more games to negotiate and get beyond 19 matches and threshold of 5 yellow suspension.
Man City (H)
Arsenal (H)
Brentford (A)
Sheffield Utd(H)
Man Utd (A)
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Thanks for the update, Footy. Fingers crossed that Digne, Cash and Luiz stay out of bother tonight.
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Todays Official for Villa v Man City .
John Brookes
Villa Unbeaten in his 6 Games with him as ref 5 Villa Wins 1 Draw no defeats
Including epic 3-0 home win V Newcastle
In total this season has 9 Prem Matches including 3-1 Villa Luton. (No Man City)
Booked 5 players in match
3 Players Villa: Zaniolo, Cash and Kamara all for fouls.
John Brookes has Sent off the most players this season
Issued 4 Red Cards.
Brookes Red Cards:
Straight Red: violent conduct
Straight Red: 1 professional foul
2 players second booking (one for diving)
Yellow cards: 43
Average 4.44 yellow Cards a Game
7 Yellow Cards for Dissent
4 for time wasting
Awarded 3 pens this season.
Including 2 in West Ham Chelsea
And in his last game was the ref who issued a dive for Martial in Everton V Man Utd overturned by VAR for a pen
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Welcome back Footy
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Todays Official for Villa v Man City .
John Brookes
Villa Unbeaten in his 6 Games with him as ref 5 Villa Wins 1 Draw no defeats
Including epic 3-0 home win V Newcastle
In total this season has 9 Prem Matches including 3-1 Villa Luton. (No Man City)
Booked 5 players in match
3 Players Villa: Zaniolo, Cash and Kamara all for fouls.
John Brookes has Sent off the most players this season
Issued 4 Red Cards.
Brookes Red Cards:
Straight Red: violent conduct
Straight Red: 1 professional foul
2 players second booking (one for diving)
Yellow cards: 43
Average 4.44 yellow Cards a Game
7 Yellow Cards for Dissent
4 for time wasting
Awarded 3 pens this season.
Including 2 in West Ham Chelsea
And in his last game was the ref who issued a dive for Martial in Everton V Man Utd overturned by VAR for a pen
Think he had a pretty good fame last night, kept he game moving and wasn't too picky over physical challenges.
One glaring error was his failure to give red cards to the entire City squad for their pathetic impersonation of "the greatest team in world football".
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John Brookes as ref and our undefeated run continues
Can he ref us every week!
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4 more games to negotiate and get beyond 19 matches and threshold of 5 yellow suspension.
Close to Suspension: 4 Yellows: Digne, Luiz and Cash
3 Yellows: Watkins McGinn Zaniolo, Duran
2 Yellows : Martínez,Konsa.
Booked v Man City
Watkins
Kamara (Time Wasting)
Kamara has 6 Yellow Cards this season.
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Official for Arsenal match Jared Gillett.
Villa record Officiated 6 Matches
Won 1 D2 L3
Gillett once sent off Ezri Konsa.
This season:
28 Yellow Cards1 red
(Gusto vs Villa)
Awarded No Pens
Of 15 rounds of Matches Gillett been ref 6 times and 2 of those villa matches.(Chelsea 0-1 Villa, Forest 2-0 Villa)
Booking 4 Villa players across 2 games
Luiz,Digne, Martinez (for time wasting) Kamara
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Aston Villa, at Villa Park, get the most fouls awarded in the league 13.6 a game
Overall we are the 4th most fouled team in the league
Get fouled 12.7 times a game
In the Prem at home Villa rank top in awarded a foul every 6.6 minutes
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How many fouls does McGinn draw ?
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For this one I'm less interested in what Gillett has done in previous games with us than in knowing if he's got much experience of how easily Saka, Odegaard and Martinelli go down and how he's handled it.
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We've had Gillett twice this season. Chelsea away when he sent off one of their players (albeit after a VAR intervention) and Forest away, when we were shit. He had one Arsenal game last season in the league, and one the year before. In 6 Premier League games this season he's given out 28 yellows, 1 red and awarded one penalty. No real controversies from him that I can remember, although he did seem to blow up a bit early in our game against Chelsea. Which was fair enough!
So to answer Paul's question, not much experience of Arsenal at all.
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Official for Arsenal match Jared Gillett.
Villa record Officiated 6 Matches
Won 1 D2 L3
Gillett once sent off Ezri Konsa.
This season:
28 Yellow Cards1 red
(Gusto vs Villa)
Awarded No Pens
Of 15 rounds of Matches Gillett been ref 6 times and 2 of those villa matches.(Chelsea 0-1 Villa, Forest 2-0 Villa)
Booking 4 Villa players across 2 games
Luiz,Digne, Martinez (for time wasting) Kamara
Thanks for this.
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Paul was asking how he handled Arsenal games. He's only had one.
And he has awarded a penalty, to Man City against Sheffield Utd. Haaland missed it.
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How many fouls does McGinn draw ?
Draws 2.6 fouls a game at home
Most fouled player.
Fouled 18 times at Villa Park , 7 more times than next player Konsa When at home.
Konsa is our most fouled player away from home though. Fouled 14 times overall away.
Kamara and Luiz 12, Digne 10.
It's interesting that McGinn is then 5th for fouls drawn away from Villa Park. Fouled 9 times.
Overall in all games players fouls drawn:
1.McGinn 27
2.Konsa 25
3.Kamara 22
4 Luiz and Digne both 20
Most fouls
1.Kamara 25
2.Luiz and McGinn 19
3.Zaniolo 15
4.Digne and Cash 14
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Paul was asking how he handled Arsenal games. He's only had one.
And he has awarded a penalty, to Man City against Sheffield Utd. Haaland missed it.
Oh ok sorry I misunderstood.
I know Arsenal have least yellow cards in the league.
And they give up least amount of fouls like just under 10 fouls a match average. One of , if not the lowest in the Prem
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How many fouls does McGinn draw ?
Some more info league context
Top 10 most fouled players in the league
1.Ayew 51
2.Paquetá 32
3.Gordon 31
4.Gumiares 31
5.Saka 30
6.Maddison 30
7.Pedro 29
8.Sterling 29
9.McGinn 27
10. Veltman 26
Top 10 Conceded Most Fouls.
1.Gallagher 34
2.Kuluseveski 28
3.Doucoure 27
4.Paquetá 27
5.Udogie 26
6.Gomes 26
7.Kamara 25
8.Ayew 25
9.Caicedo 24
10.Semedo 23
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Quick question, are offsides counted as fouls for these stats? The opposing teams get a free kick after all.
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Quick question, are offsides counted as fouls for these stats? The opposing teams get a free kick after all.
Offsides are a distinct entity.
As far as I know, offsides are statiscally recorded in own category.
It is separate to fouls and misconduct.
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Fair enough, thanks Footy.
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Great stats, FV. Wonder what Jordan Ayew's knack is for winning so many free-kicks.
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Great stats, FV. Wonder what Jordan Ayew's knack is for winning so many free-kicks.
Being miserable?
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Horribly unlucky to be sent off today.
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4 Yellow cards Vs Arsenal
Diego Carlos, Digne, Douglas Luiz (kicking ball away) McGinn
So after 16 matches Premier matches played.
6 Yellows: Kamara
5 Yellows = Suspended Luiz and Digne vs Brentford
3 more games to negotiate and get beyond 19 matches and threshold of 5 yellow suspension.
4 Yellows: Close to Suspension: McGinn and Cash
3 Yellows: Watkins , Zaniolo, Duran.
2 Yellows : Martínez, Konsa.
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Have to say, we managed these games fantastically well with several players on 4 yellow cards for so long. Obviously Bournemouth gave us a game, and Brentford could be tough too, but of all the games around now they're probably the better ones to be missing players for. Moreno being back is even better.
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Yes likes of Douglas and Digne can start Thursday and rest two others in place for Sunday.
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Can see SJM being streetwise and picking up a yellow late on v Brentford.
We will certainly need him to win at Old Trafford. Based on their pitiful effort today he'll stroll through their wide open spaces.
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Didn’t think Dougie had his greatest game yesterday, but he’ll be a miss for Brentford, we always find it tough there.
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Didn’t think Dougie had his greatest game yesterday, but he’ll be a miss for Brentford, we always find it tough there.
Agree. Wasn't peak.
Dougie I think could do with a break. Has been immense this season. Having this suspension is a blessing in some ways.
Brentford away are generally tough but they have lost 4 out of 5 matches and Boss Thomas Franks has said too many injuries in their squad being a contributing factor.
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Can see SJM being streetwise and picking up a yellow late on v Brentford.
We will certainly need him to win at Old Trafford. Based on their pitiful effort today he'll stroll through their wide open spaces.
Yes, a strategic yellow might be appropriate if McGinn or Cash desire an extra Christmas break.
If they take one at Man Utd, they get a long period off, missing Burnley on the 30th and no pre-season game until January 14th.
But Emery wouldn't be happy that any needless booking was taken.
However, I'm hoping McGinn especially as the captain can play out the 3 games without getting cautioned
Cash needs to watch himself, as he's playing for his place and could find a new incoming player, so any silly suspension would be detrimental.
On 3 Bookings the controversial Zaniolo and Ill discipline Duran must both not take an option to contrived to get 2 yellow cards in the next 3 games, I would feel they would be somewhat intentional and not best pleased. Watkins who is use to football at Xmas less so intended and less of a concern.
The same applies to any player getting a red card, so they can have an Xmas or new year break. That's not helping the team one bit. There have been stories about past Premier League players from various clubs getting suspended over the festive and new year seasons deliberately. That sort of blatant unprofessionalism isn't what Emery would stand for, and I don't like it either.
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The only teams left to negotiate are Brentford, Sheffield United, and Manchester United. After that, it will be a raise to 10 Yellow cards threshold which runs to 32 matches. A player reaching 10 means they are suspended for 2 games.
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Nobody's going to try to get a red card on purpose, obviously.
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Does it reset to 0 after you've had 5 and a suspension?
If so, would be smart to get the players on 4, or even 3, suspended before it changes to 10. Seems unlikely any of ours will get that many seeing as it's taken this long to get to 5.
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Does it reset to 0 after you've had 5 and a suspension?
If so, would be smart to get the players on 4, or even 3, suspended before it changes to 10. Seems unlikely any of ours will get that many seeing as it's taken this long to get to 5.
No reset just continues after game week 19:
It will raise to 10 Yellow cards threshold ( runs to 32 matches) A player reaching 10 means they are suspended for 2 games.
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Play Dougie and Digne on Thursday - they'll get a rest against Brentford and we need a result v Mostar.
Looking at upcoming games
Game 17 Brentford A
Game 18 Sheff U H
Game 19 Man U A
It's vital that we play ManU with a full strength squad, so I expect Unai to juggle the team to ensure we do.
If McGinn is still on 4 yellows going into the Sheff U match, it wouldn't surprise me to see him rested, to avoid the risk of a booking and a ban for the ManU game.
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Nobody's going to try to get a red card on purpose, obviously.
Yes hopefully not but there have been past issues with players. Upon research these names seem to be very unprofessional and pretty distasteful characters. I only know of Bowyer and Nolan as a player and it was always quite infamous how they were. Clearly all 4 lack much class but would take a look at the managers as well at the time allowing such nonsense.
Ray Parlour
"I remember Ray Parlour being on four yellow cards and trying to get a booking against Newcastle in December 2001 to take him over the yellow-card limit He ended up getting two yellow cards and was sent off which he wasn't trying to do." (Martin Keown )
Lee Bowyer missed eight festive games between 2002 and 2008 due to suspension.
Kevin Nolan accused of deliberately picking up a suspension after he was banned for the fifth consecutive December in 2013.
Neil Ruddock was suspended six times over Christmas.
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Some people obviously love their Turkey dinners.
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What's that got to with Villa? Absolutely nothing whatseover, we have a squad of consumate professionals, not massively overweight pissheads like Ruddock. Who in our team do you think would pull a stunt like that?
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I remember a game shortly before Christmas against Arsenal under McLeish when Alan Hutton getting stupidly booked which meant he would be suspended for the game on Boxing Day and some people were suggesting he'd done it deliberately.
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What's that got to with Villa? Absolutely nothing whatseover, we have a squad of consumate professionals, not massively overweight pissheads like Ruddock. Who in our team do you think would pull a stunt like that?
Douglas Luiz red card against Fulham was something for a greater good. Steven Gerrard get out of our club!
I mentioned Zaniolo and Duran - I have suspicions and concerns on their bookings and temperament and that they are use to Xmas holidays
But it's speculation in many ways please don't get annoyed or anything I was just expressing view on candidates if something occurred they would be ones who may do something silly.
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I remember a game shortly before Christmas against Arsenal under McLeish when Alan Hutton getting stupidly booked which meant he would be suspended for the game on Boxing Day and some people were suggesting he'd done it deliberately.
Oh interesting one.
It was said Hutton was the ears and eyes for McLeish in the dressing room.
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Europa Conference League
All yellow cards expire on completion of the quarter-finals. They are not carried forward to the semi-finals.
Players can only be suspended after recieving 3 or 5 or 7 bookings from between the start of the group stages and the end of the quarter-finals
Card Count Conference League
2 Yellow: Diaby is at risk of suspension.
1 Yellow: Cash,Lenglet,Luiz, McGinn, Tielemans, Bailey, Zaniolo, Duran
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I would imagine you are more likely to pull a stroke like that if the team is doing badly.
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I would imagine you are more likely to pull a stroke like that if the team is doing badly.
Or you don't want to play against Liverpool away after they beat you 7-0 the season before and you were mocked for crying because the manager wouldn't sub you off.
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Who was that again?
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Are the yellow cards reset after the Conference League group stage?
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Are the yellow cards reset after the Conference League group stage?
No they are not.
Europa Conference League
All yellow cards expire on completion of the quarter-finals. They are not carried forward to the semi-finals.
Players can only be suspended after recieving 3 or 5 or 7 bookings from between the start of the group stages and the end of the quarter-finals
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In the Premier League
There has been a marked decrease in the number of mass confrontation charges from three last season to zero in 2023/24, and the increase in dissent cautions reflects the stronger stance being taken by referees in this area.
The numbers show how the first five months of the current season compare with the same period of the 2022/23 campaign.
Misconduct cases in Premier League
- 80% decrease in charges for surrounding of a match official (from five charges to one)
- 100% decrease in charges for mass confrontations (from three charges to zero)
- 83% decrease in charges for technical area misconduct (from six charges to one)
Match discipline in Premier League
- 233.3% increase in dissent cautions for players (from 24 to 80 cautions)
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What's that got to with Villa? Absolutely nothing whatseover, we have a squad of consumate professionals, not massively overweight pissheads like Ruddock. Who in our team do you think would pull a stunt like that?
It’s just good gossip Risso. I like these random facts as there’s no way I’d come across them myself although I had hears the accusation made against Nolan. Also a lot of people accusing Fernandez of deliberately getting a yellow to avoid the Liverpool game this weekend (and Grealish v Villa for that matter).
Footballers are lucky, I’d happily accumulate a few cross words from the boss if it eventually meant a few days off.
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Card Count Conference League
2 Yellow: Diaby,McGinn and Zaniolo at risk of suspension.
1 Yellow: Cash,Lenglet,Luiz, Tielemans, Bailey, Duran
Next Matches Round of 16:
7 and 14 March 2024
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Vs Brentford Referee: David Coote
Awards the most fouls in the Premier League per game.26.4
Low card average of 3.4 cards a match. Second lowest.
Though lowest Josh Smith has only official for 3 matches. Coote himself has only done 5.
Brentford have never won with Coote as ref 4 matches. 2 draws 2 defeats!
Literally last officiated them a year ago in the 17th game of the season
He's officiated Villa once this season v West Ham 4-1 win booked none of our players and gave us a penalty!
David Coote record Aston Villa
9 matches 6 Wins 1 Draw 2 Defeats
Suspended for Brentford Luiz and Digne
4 Yellows: Close to Suspension: McGinn and Cash
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This is where you excel.
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Match 18
22nd December vs. Sheffield Utd Ref Antony Taylor
We haven't lost a match officiated by Antony Taylor for 3 and half years. 8 games
Last lost with Taylor as ref in July 2020.
Won the last 4 matches with him as ref included the 4-0 Victory against Everton the one match he's done this season. And given us a pen.
And the ref for Villa 3-1 Emery first match in charge
This Season 12 matches Taylor:
Averages 5.08 cards a game.
Given 2 Red Cards this season in 12 matches.
And Fulham vs Burnley on Saturday 23 December. Rebecca Welch will be first woman to ref in Premier League.
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Match 19
26th December vs. Man Utd
Ref: Craig Pawson
VAR: Stuart Attwell.
Aston Villa Ref record
17 Matches 5 Wins 4 Draws 8 Losses
Man Utd Red Record
28 Matches 12 Wins 9 Draws 7 Losses
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I didn’t think they announced the ref’s until the week of the games. Presumably that’s all changed.
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Presumably it’s so they can plan their Christmas get togethers
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Presumably it’s so they can plan their Christmas get togethers
Craig Pawson having his Christmas dinner at Fergies.
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https://x.com/FAspokesperson/status/1737473087099040155?s=20
Charged by the FA
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Official for Aston Villa Newcastle
John Brookes. And that's a positive thing.
Villa unbeaten in their 7 Premier League games with him as the referee.
Six Villa wins and one draw. As I mentioned in this thread prior to the Manchester City game, the stats mean: We don't lose with him as the referee.
There have been no defeats at all in 11 matches, with ten victories and one draw.
Recently we have of course had the spectacular and marvellous match versus Man City this season and a thumping epic 3-0 home triumph against Newcastle last season.
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The threshold is now 10 yellows to 32 games.
Players that get 10 bookings upto , and including, the 32nd game of the season will be suspended for two games
Yellow Cards worst offenders.
6:Kamara
5 Cards:
Cash
Digne
Konsa
Douglas Luiz
McGinn
4 Cards :
Martinez
Zaniolo
Duran
Watkins
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The last league game Vs Everton was particularly poor in discipline and there were 4 Cards picked up and quite unsavoury goings on with some needless bookings. I do think the break has refreshed and energised the players plus Emery would have been teaching them to keep discipline and focus.
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Official for Aston Villa Newcastle
John Brookes. And that's a positive thing.
So much for your 'research'. He's given out 101 (ONE HUNDRED AND ONE) yellow cards and five reds in 23 games this season.
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Official for Aston Villa Newcastle
John Brookes. And that's a positive thing.
So much for your 'research'. He's given out 101 (ONE HUNDRED AND ONE) yellow cards and five reds in 23 games this season.
And we have never lost that's the positive thing
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Card watch live: Newcastle
3 of the 4 starting midfield booked.
Some really poor barging tackle by McGinn tonight and got cautioned.
Kamara repeated offenses and was carded
Douglas Luiz showed ill disciplined and picked up another .
Our midfield is very talented but they really need to cut some of these things out as they'll be at 10 yellows and a two game ban soon.
7 cards
Kamara
6 Cards:
Douglas Luiz
McGinn
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Of course Zaniolo main contribution is a yellow card add to his collection.
He and Duran have serious attitude issues.
That sort of low standards of discipline isn't for Emery Villa and not worth the space in squad.
Pretending he's hurt as worried he gets a yellow and sent off sums it all up.
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Official for Aston Villa Newcastle
John Brookes. And that's a positive thing.
So much for your 'research'. He's given out 101 (ONE HUNDRED AND ONE) yellow cards and five reds in 23 games this season.
And we have never lost that's the positive thing
This aged well.
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Official for Aston Villa Newcastle
John Brookes. And that's a positive thing.
So much for your 'research'. He's given out 101 (ONE HUNDRED AND ONE) yellow cards and five reds in 23 games this season.
And we have never lost that's the positive thing
This aged well.
I would make the same comments as Emery in defeat.
I'm proud of the record but it has to come to an end.
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Official for Sheffield United : Paul Tierney
Overall record as Ref for Villa. one win 3 draws and 8 defeats
The match Villa won: Play Off Final Vs Derby
In 9 matches in the Prem
Villa have never won a Premier League match with Tierney as ref.
Drawn 2 lost 7.
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Having our first defeat with John Brookes as official maybe it will balance things out to have our first Prem win with Tierney as official
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It'll end up being a teensy bit more to do with whether we score more goals then Sheffield United or not.
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It'll end up being a teensy bit more to do with whether we score more goals then Sheffield United or not.
What claptrap. It's whether or not I wear the right combination of t-shirt, socks and pants.
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Tierney Averages 1.93 Yellow Cards to an away team.
There are 5 Villa players who Average 1 or more fouls away from home in the league
Average Fouls per game away
Kamara 1.8
Luiz 1.5
McGinn 1.4
Zaniolo 1.3
Digne 1.1
Bookings away / Total Yellows
Kamara 4/7
Martinez 3/4
Watkins 2/4
Digne 2/5
Cash 2/5
Konsa 2/5
Luiz 2/6
McGinn 2/6
Zaniolo 1/5
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Having our first defeat with John Brookes as official maybe it will balance things out to have our first Prem win with Tierney as official
A thumping first premier win with Tierney.
Also managed no bookings! Excellent work.
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FA Cup Discipline
Brought in this season an automatic one-game ban for two bookings.
If a player is shown two yellow cards in FA Cup matches they will serve a suspension during the next match in the competition.
The slate is wiped clean after the quarter-final.
At risk of suspension:
Bailey, Lenglet, Konsa, Cash, Tielemans, Zaniolo
Should we progress v Chelsea a booking for any of these 6 in Wednesday reply means not playing Vs Plymouth or Leeds in the next round.
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Kamara's already on 7 bookings? He'll have a 2-game suspension before the end of the season at this rate.
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The FA is to consider using the FA Cup to trial sin-bins for players who commit dissent or blatant tactical fouls.
The International FA Board (Ifab) is set to rubber-stamp the trials for sin-bins in professional football when it holds its annual meeting next month. It would give referees the power to send players off the pitch for ten minutes for cynical fouls or dissent towards match officials.
Sources have told The Times that the FA will seriously consider introducing the trial for the men’s and women’s FA Cups, but will need to work through the details of the protocols before making a final decision. The earliest it could be introduced into the competitions is next season.
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they can't get simple decisions roght that have been in the game for decades, I have no hope for new ideas.
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they can't get simple decisions roght that have been in the game for decades, I have no hope for new ideas.
I don't like most/all of the tinkering with the game, though to be fair, sin bins have been tried in grassroots/youth football this season and the feedback is that it has worked.
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Thomas Bramell ref tonight V Chelsea.
Averages 4.71 yellow cards across all competitions.
4.41 in the Premier league.
2 occasions he's officiated Villa and currently Undefeated.
One draw this season 2-2 Bournemouth
8 yellow cards. 3 for Villa Duran, Zaniolo and Pau for Villa.
Last season. 1-0 win Fulham
3 bookings of Young ,Martinez and Traroe.
Since he last officiated Villa he's done 5 games averaging over 5 cards a match. 27 cards and 2 pens .
His last match was the 4-4 Newcastle Luton match.
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Rob Jones Ref V Man Utd
This season he's awarded joint most red cards 4
Yellow Cards 4.36 per match
From 14 games this season Jones as ref
Home teams win percentage 57.1 %
Draw 28.6 %
Away 14.3 %
2 Villa matches this season booked McGinn and Kamara both games
2-1 win at Spurs . 4 booked Watkins McGinn Kamara and Cash
1-1 draw at Wolves. 2 booked McGinn and Kamara
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A blue card is to be introduced to football as part of sin-bin trials to be announced on Friday.
Telegraph Sport can reveal the game’s law-making body, the International Football Association Board (Ifab), has signed off on what would be the first new card to be used in the sport since the advent of yellow and red cards at the 1970 World Cup.
Two blues equal a red
The new protocol announced on Friday will limit the new card to fouls that prevent a promising attack plus dissent, as well as confirming a player should be shown a red card if they receive two blue cards during a match or a combination of yellow and blue.
Top-tier competitions will be excluded from initial testing in the professional game in case the protocols require further refinement, but elite trials could still begin as soon as the summer.
That may include in the FA Cup and Women’s FA Cup, with the Football Association considering volunteering next season’s competitions for testing.
But sin-bins will not be used in this summer’s European Championship or next term’s Champions League after the president of Uefa, Aleksander Ceferin, told Telegraph Sport last month he was completely opposed to them, adding: “It’s not football anymore.”
The European governing body nevertheless could be forced to introduce them if, as expected, trials led to them being added to the laws of the game
The revolutionary move will be announced by Ifab as part of sin-bin protocols that will see players removed from the field for 10 minutes if they commit a cynical foul or show dissent towards a match official.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13067454/ifab-delays-plans-to-publish-details-of-blue-card-and-sin-bin-trials-until-march
IFAB was due to publish details of sin-bin trials on Friday; the announcement was expected to include plans to introduce blue cards, which would result in players being sent to the sin-bin for 10 minutes for dissent of cynical fouls
Football's lawmakers have delayed plans to publish details of sin-bin trials - which were expected to include the introduction of blue cards - at higher levels of football until next month.
Trial protocols on sin-bins, plus other measures to combat poor player behaviour, were expected to be published on Friday, but it is understood they will now be the subject of further discussion at the International Football Association Board (IFAB]'s annual general meeting at Loch Lomond on March 2.
IFAB has chosen to delay the publication of the proposals to allow more time for discussion.
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Unai Emery on blue cards: "I don't care about it a lot, I think the referees and those making the decision have to analyse it deeply, but it is not my concern."
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The game used to be so simple, now we have introduced more and more opinions into the game not for the better in my opinion.
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Should be interesting, when it comes to sending there mates to the sin as opposed to someone else from the little clubs
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It's a load of bollocks, the team will just time waste as much time as they can get away with during that 10 minutes trying not to concede. Just fuck off messing up football.
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Agree entirely. The only result of blue cards is it will cause more muscular pulls than the players get at present.
Don’t even think about introducing yet another subjective issue that, once again, will favour the so called big teams. Oh, and while you’re at it, scrap VAR as well!!
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What happens if a goal keeper is sin binned?
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Who decides who to sin bin, the ref or var?
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Who decides who to sin bin, the ref or var?
I'd guess the ref, because it sounds like it's for Rhodri style fouls designed to break up play, or dissent, and obviously only the ref will know if it's the latter. Footy's question about keepers is a good one.
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They need to sort out (i.e, bin) VAR before pissing about with more cards.
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Who decides who to sin bin, the ref or var?
I'd guess the ref, because it sounds like it's for Rhodri style fouls designed to break up play, or dissent, and obviously only the ref will know if it's the latter. Footy's question about keepers is a good one.
There's going to be a Sin Bin screen isn't there?
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I've never watched Rugby League but it was mentioned it was to be like that ?
I think Rugby Union it's decided by ref but goes to TMO to check
It can even get upgraded to a red card.
Do Rugby League also use video tech ?
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I've never watched Rugby League but it was mentioned it was to be like that ?
I think Rugby Union it's decided by ref but goes to TMO to check
It can even get upgraded to a red card.
Do Rugby League also use video tech ?
Rugby League does have a video official but I'm not sure if it is used for foul play.
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It's a load of bollocks, the team will just time waste as much time as they can get away with during that 10 minutes trying not to concede. Just fuck off messing up football.
Sums it up nicely for me.
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Footballs gone to shit…
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In the whole league there has been an increase and has seen more yellow cards for dissent and time-wasting this season than in any other previous Premier League campaign, already surpassing the whole of 2022-23 season.
Time Wasting
In 2022-23, Aston Villa were the team punished most often for time-wasting. We picked up 19 cards for the offence, which was far more than the second worst team Fulham on nine.
2023-24
Villa are joint-top of this on par with 11 cards for time-wasting already this season, alongside Chelsea and Wolves.
This time wasting isn't a good look for us but it obviously been helping our results.
Though the refs seem to not be consistent as there are other games where players aren't booked when our players are.
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Bookings for Dissent stats 2023-24
Chelsea – 22
Manchester United – 18
Brighton and Hove Albion – 16
Fulham – 16
Newcastle United – 15
Wolverhampton Wanderers – 15
Tottenham Hotspur – 13
Bournemouth – 12
Nottingham Forest – 12
Sheffield United – 12
Aston Villa – 11
Manchester City – 11
West Ham United – 11
Crystal Palace – 10
Everton – 9
Liverpool – 9
Brentford – 8
Arsenal – 5
Burnley – 5
Luton Town – 3
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Our players have been caught offside the fewest times in the Premier League this season—just 21 times, or less than one per game on average—and we have demonstrated excellent discipline in our use of the high line and catching the opposition offsides, making us the most productive and well-organized squad for this facet of the game by a significant margin. In this respect that's great discipline.
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Our players have been caught offside the fewest times in the Premier League this season—just 21 times, or less than one per game on average—and we have demonstrated excellent discipline in our use of the high line and catching the opposition offsides, making us the most productive and well-organized squad for this facet of the game by a significant margin. In this respect that's great discipline.
I'd say we're not caught offside much because we slow the game down quite a bit.
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Emery would be livid if our players were getting caught offside often though.
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The referee vs Luton:
Michael Oliver and it's the first time he is officiating a Villa match this season.
23/24 season:
17 Prem matches his record is 69 yellow and 4 red.
Awarded 4 penalties.
Away teams have a 47 % win ratio this season.
(Home 35% Draw 17)
Awarded 4 penalties.
In 35 matches he's never ever awarded us a penalty
He's given 7 against us
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By the way, did you know Aston Villa has not conceded a penalty this season? I think that's excellent discipline from the players.
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Have
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No have not!
Have
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By the way, did you know Aston Villa has not conceded a penalty this season? I think that's excellent discipline from the players.
Why do you have to tempt fate like this?!
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The referee vs Luton:
Michael Oliver and it's the first time he is officiating a Villa match this season.
23/24 season:
17 Prem matches his record is 69 yellow and 4 red.
Awarded 4 penalties.
Away teams have a 47 % win ratio this season.
(Home 35% Draw 17)
Awarded 4 penalties.
In 35 matches he's never ever awarded us a penalty
He's given 7 against us
What about the other 1 percent?
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4 yellow cards today v Luton Bailey, Luiz, Zaniolo, Rogers.
Means we have join second most yellow cards of 73 with Sheffield Utd Chelsea only team more with 79.
I wonder if it's the concentration and demands that means we get so many Yellow Cards as petulance and silly fouls creep in possible as a psychological release.
There's also the factor in of Martinez getting cards for time wasting luckily not booked today and will avoid 2 match suspension through yellow cards . Only a sending off would mean any suspension now. But he does overdo it at times and is most booked keeper for antics.
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I wonder if it's the concentration and demands that means we get so many Yellow Cards as petulance and silly fouls creep in possible as a psychological release.
No, it's incompetent refereeing.
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4 yellow cards today v Luton Bailey, Luiz, Zaniolo, Rogers.
Means we have join second most yellow cards of 73 with Sheffield Utd Chelsea only team more with 79.
I wonder if it's the concentration and demands that means we get so many Yellow Cards as petulance and silly fouls creep in possible as a psychological release.
There's also the factor in of Martinez getting cards for time wasting luckily not booked today and will avoid 2 match suspension through yellow cards . Only a sending off would mean any suspension now. But he does overdo it at times and is most booked keeper for antics.
After 27 matches with the threshold of 10 yellows to 32 games players that get 10 bookings upto , and including, the 32nd game of the season will be suspended for two games
Yellow Cards Count and potential to be serve suspension with 5 games to go.
7:Luiz, McGinn (Kamara)
6 Cards:
Cash
Zaniolo
5 Cards :
Konsa
Digne
Not much point including Kamara on the list and why do you feel th eneed to single out Martinez, it's a really weird obsession you have.
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After 27 matches with the threshold of 10 yellows to 32 games players that get 10 bookings upto , and including, the 32nd game of the season will be suspended for two games
Yellow Cards Count and potential to be serve suspension with 5 games to go.
7:Luiz, McGinn (Kamara)
6 Cards: Cash and Zaniolo (very suspicious the Italian bookings)
5 Cards :Konsa, Digne
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I wonder if it's the concentration and demands that means we get so many Yellow Cards as petulance and silly fouls creep in possible as a psychological release.
No, it's incompetent refereeing.
Douglas Luiz kicking ball away today and not for first time.
Booked for dissent on occasions
Cash , Kamara and McGinn doing careless fouls and Zaniolo and Duran showing dissent as well as time wasting and also by Martinez tells a different story.
Be fair.
Have to see things right even if we do support the squad and players.
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I let Watkins off and Bailey as they are clearly working for the team though there have been unfair occasions where they and other Villa players have been cautioned I don't see them as major discipline issues. Bailey has improved like everything about him as has Watkins.
Tielemans and Digne are another one who can do silly fouls though.
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That's good of you.
Martinez has been booked once in ten games.
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No more than any other team. At least two of our bookings today were nowhere near the threshold I'd expect for a booking.
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That's good of you.
Martinez has been booked once in ten games.
No more than any other team. At least two of our bookings today were nowhere near the threshold I'd expect for a booking.
73 bookings so it's joint second most actually
One of chief reason started this thread as seen it as an issue actually.
Foresight
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That's good of you.
Martinez has been booked once in ten games.
No more than any other team. At least two of our bookings today were nowhere near the threshold I'd expect for a booking.
73 bookings so it's joint second most actually
One of chief reason started this thread as seen it as an issue actually.
Foresight
But we're back to the question of how many of those bookings were because they met the threshold for a booking. If you're going to have a go at us for getting too many bookings, I'd rather discuss why other teams who seem to get away with so many bookable offences (like Luton's Mengi, to pick an example from very recent memory) are able to play the ref so much better than we can.
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Zaniolo (very suspicious the Italian bookings)
*raises eyebrow*
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4 yellow cards today v Luton Bailey, Luiz, Zaniolo, Rogers.
Means we have join second most yellow cards of 73 with Sheffield Utd Chelsea only team more with 79.
I wonder if it's the concentration and demands that means we get so many Yellow Cards as petulance and silly fouls creep in possible as a psychological release.
There's also the factor in of Martinez getting cards for time wasting luckily not booked today and will avoid 2 match suspension through yellow cards . Only a sending off would mean any suspension now. But he does overdo it at times and is most booked keeper for antics.
After 27 matches with the threshold of 10 yellows to 32 games players that get 10 bookings upto , and including, the 32nd game of the season will be suspended for two games
Yellow Cards Count and potential to be serve suspension with 5 games to go.
7:Luiz, McGinn (Kamara)
6 Cards:
Cash
Zaniolo
5 Cards :
Konsa
Digne
Not much point including Kamara on the list and why do you feel th eneed to single out Martinez, it's a really weird obsession you have.
We all saw Oliver have a word with Martinez in the first half too no avail.
If that was an opposing goal keeper we too would be disgruntled.
Oliver in awe of him as are many it's an advantage to us he's a player who can take liberties due to his high status . There are other players who get away with things at other clubs so we can say Martinez played at his own pace but getting warnings early on and having a bit of time waste at one and even two nil wasn't great
That's just how I see it.
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Really doesn't help with overzealous referees who seem to favour the other side and give them everything they ask for, every time one of them gets the slightest nudge.
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I'm mildly stunned you can't see that Martinez is actually treated as if he's a yellow card in waiting, so much more than any other keeper. Yes, he's a noticeable presence but it's because he's been given a reputation since the World Cup that he gets noticed, not usually because he's doing anything against the rules
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We all saw Oliver have a word with Martinez in the first half too no avail.
If that was an opposing goal keeper we too would be disgruntled.
Oliver in awe of him as are many it's an advantage to us he's a player who can take liberties due to his high status . There are other players who get away with things at other clubs so we can say Martinez played at his own pace but getting warnings early on and having a bit of time waste at one and even two nil wasn't great
That's just how I see it.
Oliver havign a word with him was taking the piss. I guarantee if you timed how long keepers take to clear the ball and compare that to how long Martinez had taken with his kicks before Oliver spoke to him there would be no significant difference. Why would he even have been trying to waste time with so much of the game to go and when we were totally dominant?
I'm mildly stunned you can't see that Martinez is actually treated as if he's a yellow card in waiting, so much more than any other keeper. Yes, he's a noticeable presence but it's because he's been given a reputation since the World Cup that he gets noticed, not usually because he's doing anything against the rules
This sums it up.
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I'm mildly stunned you can't see that Martinez is actually treated as if he's a yellow card in waiting, so much more than any other keeper. Yes, he's a noticeable presence but it's because he's been given a reputation since the World Cup that he gets noticed, not usually because he's doing anything against the rules
I saw a table and he's mid table
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May I remind everyone
In the whole league there has been an increase and has seen more yellow cards for dissent and time-wasting this season than in any other previous Premier League campaign, already surpassing the whole of 2022-23 season.
Time Wasting
In 2022-23, Aston Villa were the team punished most often for time-wasting. We picked up 19 cards for the offence, which was far more than the second worst team Fulham on nine.
2023-24
Villa are joint-top of this on par with 11 cards for time-wasting already this season, alongside Chelsea and Wolves.
This time wasting isn't a good look for us but it obviously been helping our results.
Though the refs seem to not be consistent as there are other games where players aren't booked when our players are.
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May I remind everyone
In the whole league there has been an increase and has seen more yellow cards for dissent and time-wasting this season than in any other previous Premier League campaign, already surpassing the whole of 2022-23 season.
Time Wasting
In 2022-23, Aston Villa were the team punished most often for time-wasting. We picked up 19 cards for the offence, which was far more than the second worst team Fulham on nine.
2023-24
Villa are joint-top of this on par with 11 cards for time-wasting already this season, alongside Chelsea and Wolves.
This time wasting isn't a good look for us but it obviously been helping our results.
Though the refs seem to not be consistent as there are other games where players aren't booked when our players are.
and may I refer back to:
I'm mildly stunned you can't see that Martinez is actually treated as if he's a yellow card in waiting, so much more than any other keeper. Yes, he's a noticeable presence but it's because he's been given a reputation since the World Cup that he gets noticed, not usually because he's doing anything against the rules
In 22/23 Martinez was booked for time wasting twice in 16 games in the first half of the season and 5 times in 20 games for the second half of the year. It's almost as if something happened in between that gave him an unfair reputation. Of course the alternative would be that Emery spent some time working with him and convinced him that he should get more bookings but that couldn't possibly be true given you've told us how angry Emery will be about him getting booked, every time it happens.
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Players have to take responsibility
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If Martinez doesn't even appear on the list you have listed as a concern, why are you concerned?
Also for all "Emery wouldn't like it", you do realise that last season, every booking he got was under Emery's reign. His first was the Manure win.
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Players have to take responsibility
So do the media & the officials.
Martinez is punished more often than not, as are Villa, after a lot of the media started making negative noise when Villa started to use the same "game management" tactics that their favourite clubs utilise every game.
When Caragher & Neville started calling our game management tactics as "a disgrace", despite saying the same actions were part of the game for other clubs, that then placed pressure on the officials to punish us.
We don't do much different to other clubs, but fans have picked up on the Neville & Caragher hypocrisy & as soon as Martinez has the ball at his feet, they start booing straight away. They even do it when the ball is actually still in play, which is bizarre.
And again, just like the media pressure, the home fans booing puts pressure on officials & they are too weak to not let it affect them.
So everybody has to take some responsibility for why we get so many time wasting cards.
Personally, I think that as a club, we should start to make more noise about it so we are starting to put pressure on officials ourselves. Maybe we can balance it out a little, if we do.
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Not gonna lie i thought the ref was dying to send off one of our players. I think luiz waa quite lucky and i was convinced hw was gonna get another yellow out but to my amazement he didnt. Had we lost luiz next week it would have been horrible
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Not gonna lie i thought the ref was dying to send off one of our players. I think luiz waa quite lucky and i was convinced hw was gonna get another yellow out but to my amazement he didnt. Had we lost luiz next week it would have been horrible
I was expecting him to send off at least one of Douglas Luiz, Bailey or Watkins.
Like you said, he looked dying to send one of ours off.
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May I remind everyone
In the whole league there has been an increase and has seen more yellow cards for dissent and time-wasting this season than in any other previous Premier League campaign, already surpassing the whole of 2022-23 season.
Time Wasting
In 2022-23, Aston Villa were the team punished most often for time-wasting. We picked up 19 cards for the offence, which was far more than the second worst team Fulham on nine.
2023-24
Villa are joint-top of this on par with 11 cards for time-wasting already this season, alongside Chelsea and Wolves.
This time wasting isn't a good look for us but it obviously been helping our results.
Though the refs seem to not be consistent as there are other games where players aren't booked when our players are.
and may I refer back to:
I'm mildly stunned you can't see that Martinez is actually treated as if he's a yellow card in waiting, so much more than any other keeper. Yes, he's a noticeable presence but it's because he's been given a reputation since the World Cup that he gets noticed, not usually because he's doing anything against the rules
In 22/23 Martinez was booked for time wasting twice in 16 games in the first half of the season and 5 times in 20 games for the second half of the year. It's almost as if something happened in between that gave him an unfair reputation. Of course the alternative would be that Emery spent some time working with him and convinced him that he should get more bookings but that couldn't possibly be true given you've told us how angry Emery will be about him getting booked, every time it happens.
Plus more often we were having leads to protect in the second half of the season.
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Just to let everyone know regards Euro Conference League
Players can only be banned for three or five bookings from between the start of the group stages and the end of the quarter-finals there are 3 Villa players who could be suspended if booked.
Card Count Conference League
2 Yellow: Diaby,McGinn and Zaniolo at risk of suspension.
1 Yellow: Cash,Lenglet,Luiz, Tielemans, Bailey, Duran
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I have often warned about McGinn's lack of self-control in his tackling and has a somewhat irresponsible attitude the way he can get carried away, it came to light and resulted in his red card against Spurs and a three match ban.
He's ineligible to play in tonight's game. It's unfortunate that he did that against Spurs especially as a captain. I don't want to go over this too much, but I'm sure Emery informed him straight up regards his lack of discipline and he had disappointed us all there because he's let us down not being available today and it's not till Saturday he is available for selection.
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It's his first red card for us.
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Amazing foresight that footy. He's a disgrace really with all those reds he'd had over the last 6 seasons.
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The oracle returns, thank god
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I think SJM deliberately took a red vs Spppppuuurrrrrrrrrrrrs so that he can come back on Saturday 'like a new signing'.
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I said to my mates that with SJM being suspended if we can get through the West Ham, Wolves and Manchester City games with 5 points then we would of done well.
only the game vs the oil barons to go (crosses fingers, toes etc etc)
UTV
The Doc
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Manchester City v Aston Villa
Referee: Darren England.
Insight :
Did you know Emery Aston Villa discipline is fantastic at not conceding a penalty this season? The only club in the league.
Insight:
The appointed official has Given us 4 pens in 6 matches that he has officiated us in premier league
A total of 6 penalties in 11 games(championship included)
Gave one earlier this season V Palace -only match he's officiated us this season.
For Man City in 6 Prem matches officiated he's awarded 4 pens to them and 5 on total as gave Fulham a penalty as well as Man City last season.
They haven't lost a match with him as ref in all 7 matches - 6 Prem 1 FA cup
Overall
He awarded 5 pens to Man City in 7 matches as he also awarded them a pen in FA Cup.
This season he's given 5 pens in 10 championship matches
And given two in 9 Premier matches as well as Villa he awarded a dubious one last match for Chelsea v Burnley. Very soft and sent off both the defender and Burnley manager!
Foresight:
A penalty will be awarded in Man City v Aston Villa match this evening based on the evidence.
Can we conclude Villa will be awarded the inevitable penalty or are we to see Grealish win a penalty ?
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With regard to Mcginns red card, important to note that he has exceptional intensity and aggression in his play and that he would not have been the same excellent player without it. Sometimes it spills over for him as for most but that happens seldom in his case really.
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Is Luiz walking a tightrope with regards to number of yellow cards/possible suspension?
Yes very much so.
Luiz was an utter fool to push ball away for his last booking.
In fact a few of his 8 have been petulance. Annoying when so.
Just to inform again regards any player recieving 10 yellows and games threshold of 32 games played.
It's up to and including, the 32nd game of the season a player will be suspended for two games
Yellow Cards Count with two matches and potential to be serve suspension
8:Luiz
Also to note Rodri is on 8 cards and that could influence how he plays.
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With regard to Mcginns red card, important to note that he has exceptional intensity and aggression in his play and that he would not have been the same excellent player without it. Sometimes it spills over for him as for most but that happens seldom in his case really.
It's those charging fouls I can't stand. Can't get away with such nonsensical play. I'm all for passion but that style and sort of bustle is not Emery or my desire of how to retrieve a football.
Perhaps it's his Scotch heritage as it's not really a top 4 level player to be so wild. I guess it's his version of a tactical foul.
I can't stand Rodri fouls so at least McGinn isn't sneaky about what he's doing!
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It's his first red card for us.
First offence ref / your honour doesn't cut with me.
We all know the rules.
The sooner Sin Bins come in the sooner these players will stop fouling.
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You’ve blown it with the no penalties awarded comments! Fair play to England he was the one that stuck to his guns on the Palace penalty decision. The flip side being he’s the idiot that missed Liverpools onside goal against spurs.
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It's his first red card for us.
First offence ref / your honour doesn't cut with me.
We all know the rules.
The sooner Sin Bins come in the sooner these players will stop fouling.
What the ever living fuck are you going on about. He knows the rules and has only received one red card. Just because you don't like a certain type of foul has nothing to do with the rules
You talk absolute shite mate
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If you're going to predict we'll concede a penalty in the build-up to every match, the law of averages says eventually you'll be right. But it won't be because of foresight.
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It's his first red card for us.
First offence ref / your honour doesn't cut with me.
We all know the rules.
The sooner Sin Bins come in the sooner these players will stop fouling.
What the ever living fuck are you going on about. He knows the rules and has only received one red card. Just because you don't like a certain type of foul has nothing to do with the rules
You talk absolute shite mate
It is not the first time he has committed such a foul where he's whacked an opponent even if he tends to get a yellow for it. If he does it again and gets sent off, I believe that more people will think the same way I do. I just wonder why he did that foul in the first place. I think where you are, and some see it as oh, he has never had a red card before, but I would open the discussion to say that such a type of foul and lack of emotional control to get a red card at the magnitude and nature both in game and the impact of suspension in what trying to achieve champions league football well to me, there is no excuse.
Emery admitted that there was no bad intention and I agree and he said it was McGinn's second red card in 600 or so matches, but I believe Ginny should be more measured in his charging and barging around the pitch. Just before that red card he was fantastic at leading the battle, pressing and tackling lawfully and appropriately! It was inspiring and fantastic, so then he went and spoilt it all .What did he believe would happen? Konsa's gesture to the head suggesting 'think' was exactly this nonsense that you claim I've talking !
McGinn made a similar gesture when Kamara was sent off against Brentford, and I thought at the time I couldn't really respect that because Ginny isn't the one person to be saying composure.
The truth is that he's had to adapt and improve, and he'll have to continue to adapt and improve his football - look at his goal scoring this season, which is because he's been encouraged to be concerned about the football rather than the whole get stuck in approach. Yes, be passionate, but also exhibit some class.
Maybe you could also do the same in your foul language approach to someone who has a different view to you.
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Yes obviously if he gets sent off more times then people will think he needs to get sent off more, this isn't insight or clever thinking on your part.
A big part of his game is in being aggressive and yes this leads to yellow cards and fouls sometimes but it's the way he plays the game. The red card was wreckless and stupid, agreed, but it is one.
Both dougie and kamara have more yellows than McGinn this season
i'd rather be accused of using foul language than constantly talking utter nonsense and fantasy like you our kid
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If you're going to predict we'll concede a penalty in the build-up to every match, the law of averages says eventually you'll be right. But it won't be because of foresight.
I have not regularly predicted penalties . My research led me to a prediction that I made about penalties being awarded tonight, and I actually provided evidence and insight regards penalties and Darren England I thought this was a good one to write home about as a foresight but seemingly can't please some people and instead a spin is made proclaiming I predicting a penalty to Villa every match.
I think you just don't want me this forecast to penalty awarding to be accurate as then have to find another stick to beat me with.
Let's focus on the key points raised ! I like to ask you if you don't want to encourage debate regards penalties and discipline at least don't discourage.
So it's to think about:
It's either a penalty may be granted today or not, and you can comment on the fact that Villa being only team that has not conceded a penalty this season.
I also highlighted and hoped it worth discussing or people noting Darren England's penalty awarding record. That's the takeaway from my post for someone to discuss or think about. It's not really so kind try to break my heart or force a false narrative about me proclaiming penalty to Villa every match.
Personally I thought those facts were fascinating and it led me to conclude a penalty could well be awarded!
Anyway I hope you and everyone enjoys the game and that our team maintains a high level of discipline today!
Up the Villa!!
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A lot of words that fail to explain away the fact he has had 1 red card for us.
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Simplify then : it's principles.
And example.
First degree murder get mandatory life sentence.
Such a foul is a red card and three match ban.
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Simplify then : it's principles.
And example.
First degree murder get mandatory life sentence.
Such a foul is a red card and three match ban.
Yes and he has been sent off once.
We are talking about football, not morality or murder or anything else. Just the rules of football and the fact that he has received one red card.
What is it that you can't grasp?
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Just block and if possible, dont re-quote him. Thanks.
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I do not have a detailed knowledge of State or Federal laws for homicide within the United States, so will take your word for it as to the mandatory punishment attributed to the crime of murder.
Quite why any rational person would equivocate 1 tackle, out of hundreds made in a 6 year Villa career with killing somebody in the United States, is beyond me.
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You’ve blown it with the no penalties awarded comments! Fair play to England he was the one that stuck to his guns on the Palace penalty decision. The flip side being he’s the idiot that missed Liverpools onside goal against spurs.
He didn't miss it. He called it as onside but thought the on-field decision was also onside so just stated go with on-field decision.
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If our players are as ill-disciplined as this thread today, we'll definitely concede a penalty and get a red card or two.
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Perhaps it's his Scotch heritage as it's not really a top 4 level player to be so wild.
Not sure what his heritage has to do with whisky...the word you were looking for is Scottish. Well done, you managed to insult an entire country !
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Perhaps it's his Scotch heritage as it's not really a top 4 level player to be so wild.
Not sure what his heritage has to do with whisky...the word you were looking for is Scottish. Well done, you managed to insult an entire country !
He does talk a load of Bells.
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Yellow cards awarded : 2
Douglas Luiz and Callum Chambers failed in discipline stakes v Man City.
Luiz has nine yellow cards now.
He also gave up two fouls for direct free kicks, the second of which was a goal.
Have to mention sub Tielemans who appeared to be attempting to get booked when he came on, committing a couple of unnecessary fouls but avoiding a booking, unlike Chambers, who appeared unfit and was booked for a rough barge on Grealish.
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Luiz suspended for Arsenal and Bournemouth games if he's booked on Saturday.
You feel that's the latest player misfortune to befall us just as McGinn is returning.
Brentford will certainly be aware of that given their antics in December.
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Several of Douglas Luiz bookings could have been prevented if he didn't show petulance.
Today he was subbed off due to his yellow card.
He was at risk of being sent off.
We can ill afford to lose him v Arsenal and would leave him out of starting line up v Bournemouth.
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Luiz suspended for Arsenal and Bournemouth games if he's booked on Saturday.
Ref insight
Micheal Salisbury is ref.
He was ref for our 32nd game last season which was also against Brentford 1-1. He booked Douglas Luiz
He has Officiated 4 games of Villa
we have never lost with Salisbury as ref having won 3 drawn one.
In 3 out of those 4 matches he's booked Douglas Luiz.
It will be his first time officiating at Villa Park.
Footys Forecasting Foresight
Based on evidence
Aston Villa win the game. Or won't lose. And Douglas Luiz could be booked
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Footy's Forecasting Foresight 😂
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Footy's Forecasting Foresight 😂
Footy’s Forecasting Fucked if tonight’s predictions are anything to go by.
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No penalties tonight. No....
Edit can't be bothered.
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Well Martinez didn't get a yellow. I'm sure Footy is disappointed.
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Insight to Douglas Luiz 9 yellows:
5 fouls.
The other 4.
2 for Dissent
1 for time wasting
1 for pushing ball away unsporting behaviour
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Well Martinez didn't get a yellow. I'm sure Footy is disappointed.
Martinez wasn't playing due to illness.
I'm not happy when he gets booked for time wasting or unsporting behaviour.
But is anyone happy to see our players awarded yellow cards or being sent off ?
I don't think so.
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So...over twice as likely to get a yellow card for a foul as any other transgression.
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No penalties tonight. No....
Edit can't be bothered.
In many ways gives faith to fact this team of officials are at least taking each game as it's merits than having some sort of trend to award penalties.
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So...over twice as likely to get a yellow card for a foul as any other transgression.
Yes 4 preventable yellow cards would see him at a reasonable 5.
Fouls are part and parcel of the game the other antics are discipline issues.
Some fouls are emotional and temperamental reasons and would be in same category as other preventable bookings.
It's individual players choice to commit these on field crimes.
We all know the laws of the game.
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Our overall disciplinary record isn't great this season although we have played a game or two than most - apologies as it doesn't align fully.
RK TEAM P YC RC PTS
1 Sheffield Utd 29 86 4 98
2 Chelsea 28 79 3 88
3 Aston Villa 31 80 2 86
4 Brighton 30 75 3 84
5 Brentford 31 76 2 82
6 Nottingham F 31 72 3 81
6 Wolves 30 75 2 81
6 Tottenham H 30 69 4 81
9 Burnley 31 61 6 79
10 West Ham 31 69 3 78
11 Fulham 31 68 3 77
12 Liverpool 29 56 5 71
13 Manchester U 29 65 1 68
14 Bournemouth 30 61 2 67
15 Everton 30 63 1 66
16 Manchester C 30 56 3 65
17 Newcastle Utd 30 61 1 64
18 Luton Town 31 60 0 60
19 Crystal Palace 30 56 1 59
20 Arsenal 30 45 2 51
However, when you look at the fouls committed, we are much better placed:
Pos. Team Total Fouls
1 Bournemouth 398
2 Wolves 373
3 Crystal Palace 366
4 Everton 365
5 Liverpool 360
6 Luton Town 359
7 Nottingham F 358
8 Chelsea 348
9 Burnley 345
10 Aston Villa 340
11 Sheffield Utd 331
12 West Ham 329
12 Tottenham 329
14 Brighton 320
15 Brentford 314
16 Manchester Utd 310
16 Fulham 310
18 Newcastle 300
19 Arsenal 299
20 Manchester City 246
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So the Fair-Play route to Europe can be ruled-out then.
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Well Martinez didn't get a yellow. I'm sure Footy is disappointed.
Martinez wasn't playing due to illness.
I'm not happy when he gets booked for time wasting or unsporting behaviour.
But is anyone happy to see our players awarded yellow cards or being sent off ?
I don't think so.
He didn't play?!
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Am I right in thinking that a booking for Douglas Luiz tomorrow means that we lose him for 2 games? With Jacob Ramsey out, we really can't afford that.
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Am I right in thinking that a booking for Douglas Luiz tomorrow means that we lose him for 2 games? With Jacob Ramsey out, we really can't afford that.
Yes. No tactical fouls from Doug tomorrow.
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I would have him on the bench and go with Rogers-Tielemans-McGinn-Bailey. He can come off the bench if he's needed but the risk of losing him for the Arsenal and Bournemouth games when we have a lot of games coming up is too high.
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I thought that initially, but what's the point of him missing a crucial game just in the hope he doesn't get a booking and miss 2? I'd rather maximise our chance of taking the 3 points now.
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Emery and Frank were both booked in Brentford v Villa and there were 10 yellow cards and 2 reds. No Premier League game has produced more booking points this season.
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Emery and Frank were both booked in Brentford v Villa and there were 10 yellow cards and 2 reds. No Premier League game has produced more booking points this season.
Pearl's Cafe.
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Am I right in thinking that a booking for Douglas Luiz tomorrow means that we lose him for 2 games? With Jacob Ramsey out, we really can't afford that.
Yes. No tactical fouls from Doug tomorrow.
Or dissent , or time wasting or unsporting behaviour
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Am I right in thinking that a booking for Douglas Luiz tomorrow means that we lose him for 2 games? With Jacob Ramsey out, we really can't afford that.
Yes. No tactical fouls from Doug tomorrow.
Or dissent , or time wasting or unsporting behaviour
Unfortunately wasn't able to show his discipline and was his 10th yellow (6th card for a foul this season)
Arsenal and Bournemouth - suspended.
6 fouls
2 dissent
1 timewasting
1 unsporting behaviour
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It does work against players who play the majority of minutes of an entire season.
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He was unlikely to go the rest of the season without getting another yellow. Bloody inconvenient though.
It wouldn't have mattered after todays game. This was the cut off point for ten yellows leading to a suspension
Brain farts from our two key (or pretty much only) midfielders in recent games. Really idiotic stuff on both occasions.
I call it lack of discipline and reason been monitoring things here.
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Luiz suspended for Arsenal and Bournemouth games if he's booked on Saturday.
Ref insight
Micheal Salisbury is ref.
He was ref for our 32nd game last season which was also against Brentford 1-1. He booked Douglas Luiz
He has Officiated 4 games of Villa
we have never lost with Salisbury as ref having won 3 drawn one.
In 3 out of those 4 matches he's booked Douglas Luiz.
It will be his first time officiating at Villa Park.
Footys Forecasting Foresight
Based on evidence
Aston Villa win the game. Or won't lose. And Douglas Luiz could be booked
Unfortunately foresight came true.
Trend occurrence.
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Luiz's discipline and fouls would be flagged by now as he receives an iPad with instructions, data, and footage to improve his performance. Analysts and coaching staff, and especially Emery's instruction to detail of player would not have escaped them so it's purely down to the individual player , in this case Luiz, for the maturity, game intelligence, and emotional control.
Emery has said on Douglas Luiz. "He will face Lille in two matches. He'll rest against Arsenal and Bournemouth. Maintaining emotional control is critical"
That is the primary takeaway from Douglas Luiz's ten yellow cards and two match suspension, as he has previously been told and shown his fouls he's conceding after every game and it's been numerous times this season. Hopefully, this is a strong warning that his discipline needs to improve and his emotion in control.
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Footys Forecasting Foresight
Based on evidence
Aston Villa win the game. Or won't lose. And Douglas Luiz could be booked
Unfortunately foresight came true.
Trend occurrence.
You're definitely way ahead of Lawro when it comes to forecasting.
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Arsenal v Aston Villa
Referee: David Coote
Averages 3.67 yellow cards a game.
Officated stats in 21 Prem games 42.9% home win 33.3% away win draw 23.8%
Villa matches this season have Drawn 0-0 away at Everton and and two 4-1 and 2-1 V West Ham and Brentford.
Notable mentions:
Vs Brentford he booked Emery, booked Martinez for time wasting and sent off Kamara he also Missed the red card Vs Ben Mee Brentford as VAR has to advise him to upgrade the yellow.
Awarded a penalty to us v West Ham 4-1 victory
Vs Everton he booked Diego Carlos for time wasting and Tielemans for dissent
Officiating Arsenal
Sent off Takehiro Tomiyasu for time wasting on a throw in (second yellow)
Also booked Havertz for time wasting.
Footy Forecast Foresight:
A booking for timewasting
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Aston Villa v Chelsea Referee: Craig Pawson
16 Prem Games
70 yellow cards 3 reds and 5 penalties this season
Officated Villa once this season. Vs Man Utd away defeat 3-2
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Discipline is key for all our players this evening. I don't want the needles fouls.
Leave the fouling and dissent to Palmer, Jackson,Caicedo, Gallagher and their mob.
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Douglas Luiz can't help himself can he !
Another Yellow card just after half time
Not clever !
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This second half all sorts of discipline lost.
Now Pau Torres booked giving away a silly foul in dangerous area
Far too complacent
Bailey booked and checked for Red card which it no way was a sending off.
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Poor son missing the blatant foul on Carlos and giving a goal was very incompetent.
At the time I was crying foul! And rightfully disallowed.
Ref needs to be better
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Conference league conspiracy theory
AEK owner Melissanidis is a major rival and opposition to the Olympiaco owner Marinakis.
The way Greek owners allegedly operate AEK will look to ensure Olympicao won't be in the final!
It would not be surprising to see decisions to be going Villa way and a very helpful official and VAR.
Very interesting to see how the officiating will go.
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Conference league conspiracy theory
AEK owner Melissanidis is a major rival and opposition to the Olympiaco owner Marinakis.
The way Greek owners allegedly operate AEK will look to ensure Olympicao won't be in the final!
It would not be surprising to see decisions to be going Villa way and a very helpful official and VAR.
Very interesting to see how the officiating will go.
Rampant prejudice aside, random Greek boardroom rivalries will hardly influence UEFA officials' decision-making. Exactly zero, I'd say.
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Conference league conspiracy theory
AEK owner Melissanidis is a major rival and opposition to the Olympiaco owner Marinakis.
The way Greek owners allegedly operate AEK will look to ensure Olympicao won't be in the final!
It would not be surprising to see decisions to be going Villa way and a very helpful official and VAR.
Very interesting to see how the officiating will go.
Rampant prejudice aside, random Greek boardroom rivalries will hardly influence UEFA officials' decision-making. Exactly zero, I'd say.
A owner will have a say on who is going to be playing on their ground if they really want to.
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Conference league conspiracy theory
AEK owner Melissanidis is a major rival and opposition to the Olympiaco owner Marinakis.
The way Greek owners allegedly operate AEK will look to ensure Olympicao won't be in the final!
It would not be surprising to see decisions to be going Villa way and a very helpful official and VAR.
Very interesting to see how the officiating will go.
Rampant prejudice aside, random Greek boardroom rivalries will hardly influence UEFA officials' decision-making. Exactly zero, I'd say.
A owner will have a say on who is going to be playing on their ground if they really want to.
No they won't. And - and this is really important - the owners of football clubs don't squabble like fans. Their disagreements are among themselves, in a different manner.
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Conference league conspiracy theory
AEK owner Melissanidis is a major rival and opposition to the Olympiaco owner Marinakis.
The way Greek owners allegedly operate AEK will look to ensure Olympicao won't be in the final!
It would not be surprising to see decisions to be going Villa way and a very helpful official and VAR.
Very interesting to see how the officiating will go.
Rampant prejudice aside, random Greek boardroom rivalries will hardly influence UEFA officials' decision-making. Exactly zero, I'd say.
A owner will have a say on who is going to be playing on their ground if they really want to.
Honestly, give it a bloody rest.
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Aroused. Taking the piss again.
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Do you mind!
What's the aversion to discussing theories!
Without someone having to try and make some smutty reference!
It's actually the correct term due to suspicions I am very surprised an official who was match fixing is in charge tomorrow.
So it leads me to think how will it all work out!
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It might be concerning FV but it's already been mentioned long before you carpet bombed the threads. As always, it's just conjecture until the game is played. Fingers crossed we can achieve something special tomorrow regardless of the officiating.
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Aroused is when you get a semi on the way to full tumescence. Your post has stirred those feelings within me. I need to discuss my own self-discipline.
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It might be concerning FV but it's already been mentioned long before you carpet bombed the threads. As always, it's just conjecture until the game is played. Fingers crossed we can achieve something special tomorrow regardless of the officiating.
I brought it up last week.
Far in advances.
And yes we want the victory tomorrow more than anything!!
That's the priority for now.
Then think about Monday!
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Prem League yellow cards
11 for Luiz which is only worse by Paulina with 13. That's not great at all by Douglas Luiz he's started 33 games though But next most is 8 for Cash that's poor discipline considering started 23 matches.
That's more than McGinn, 7, who's started 33 matches.
I definitely think Cash will be someone who may be moved on for a fee as he's not convincing and is picking up too many yellow cards. I not sure if he fits Emerys play.
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Conference league conspiracy theory
AEK owner Melissanidis is a major rival and opposition to the Olympiaco owner Marinakis.
The way Greek owners allegedly operate AEK will look to ensure Olympicao won't be in the final!
It would not be surprising to see decisions to be going Villa way and a very helpful official and VAR.
Very interesting to see how the officiating will go.
Rampant prejudice aside, random Greek boardroom rivalries will hardly influence UEFA officials' decision-making. Exactly zero, I'd say.
A owner will have a say on who is going to be playing on their ground if they really want to.
No they won't. And - and this is really important - the owners of football clubs don't squabble like fans. Their disagreements are among themselves, in a different manner.
Marinakis’ enemies in Greek football is AEK’s owner, Dimitris Melissanidis, and this goes way beyond the realms of usual sporting rivalry.
Both men were outspoken about one another after the 2014 attack on Christoforos Zografos, the vice-president of Greece’s referee selection committee, who was left with serious head injuries after being savagely beaten outside his home by two men using iron bars.
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Well that is entertaining, but it's worth pointing out that this still isn't a rivalry like fans have - much more like rival Mafia dons (ed: ALLEGEDLY).
That still doesn't mean they'll have any say whatsoever over the result.
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Aroused is when you get a semi on the way to full tumescence. Your post has stirred those feelings within me. I need to discuss my own self-discipline.
"I reprobrate concupiscence, whether fortuitous or contrived". (J.P. Donleavy novel character).
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Douglas Luiz and Jhon Duran can't help themselves with needless bookings.
Both picked up cautions tonight in the semi second leg.
I think it's case of temperament.
I thought at times Douglas Luiz was very aggreviated and was shouting and gesturing away to own players and the official.
When he was booked one of our players I think Torres said something and he got annoyed with him.
He also got annoyed with him and Watkins a couple of times in the game.
It was his birthday today so perhaps he was always to get a card!
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Oh no! Are they going to miss the final now?
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Oh no I think though suspension carry over to next season I don't think impact for champions league and don't think they are suspended unless red card.
Certainly hope they don't
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So it means nothing then.
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Aston Villa v Liverpool
Referee: Simon Hooper
VAR: Chris Kavanagh
G23 Y105 R3
4.69 cards/game
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Season 24/25
So last season 23/24 hadn’t conceded a penalty in the Premier league
This season in one game we have already! Though it was debatable and soft
V West Ham
Yellow Cards - 2.
Bailey booked for a silly foul holding back a West Ham player when they were getting away from him.
Philogene for foul late on 90 + minutes
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Season 24/25
So last season 23/24 hadn’t conceded a penalty in the Premier league
This season in one game we have already! Though it was debatable and soft
V West Ham
Yellow Cards - 2.
Bailey booked for a silly foul holding back a West Ham player when they were getting away from him.
Philogene for foul late on 90 + minutes
We conceded two penalties last season.
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I wasn’t aware of this. Which games were they ?
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Bournemouth at home was one.
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Brighton away.
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We conceded loads of penalties at Lille. Shameful.
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Bournemouth at home was one.
Brighton away.
Thank you for the update on those penalties. The two prem matches escaped me as for a long time there was no penalty conceded and indeed was the fact till April 21st!
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Card Count Premier League
After 3 Matches
Joint highest Yellow Cards 8 (with 10 other teams - that's half the league)
1 Yellow Card at Villa Park from 1 game
7 Yellow Cards away from 2 games
All bookings to Villa players have been given for what has deemed a fouls. No bookings so far for dissent, time wasting or unsporting conduct.
Player Card Count
2 Yellow Cards
Onana
1 Yellow Card
McGinn
Duran
Tielemans
Bailey
Philogene
Bogarde
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Foul Watch
Have made double the amount of fouls away.
Away from home made 16 fouls a game
At Villa Park made 8 fouls
Foul watch after 3 games.
Bogarde has only played one match and made 3 fouls.
(Was fouled twice) At moment average 3 fouls a game
Total fouls -players that have conceded 2 foul or more this season:
7: Onana
4: McGinn , Tielemans
3:Digne, Cash, Watkins, Torres
2: Duran, Bailey, Rogers
Cash was adjudged to have fouled for West Ham penalty which is very debatable.
Onana highest average 2.3 fouls a game.
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Villa players most fouled after 3 Matches
Most fouled with 2 fouls or more.
No surprise 9 fouls on John McGinn. That's 3 times a game.
5: Onana, Tielemans and Konsa
4 Rogers
3 Bailey, Watkins and Philogene
2 Martinez , Bogarde, Duran Digne
Martinez being fouled two times in 3 games -he's being targeted.
Has won the joint most fouls of 2 in the league (with Neto)
Only 7 gks have been fouled.
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65 yellow cards in the Premier League this weekend, a new record but only one for Aston Villa
V Everton Emi Martinez needless booking yet again for time wasting
His first of the season and our first non foul yellow card
Premier League Player Card Count after 4 games
2 Yellow Cards
Onana
1 Yellow Card
Martinez (time wasting)
McGinn
Duran
Tielemans
Bailey
Philogene
Bogarde
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Champions League Disciplinary and Card Watch
Yellow card Rules
Suspension for 3, 5 and 7 yellows in the League Phase
Yellow cards are reset after the quarter-finals.
A player receives a one-game suspension for accumulating three yellow cards, and another one-game suspension for each odd number of bookings after that.
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The booking for Emi was nonsense, you see players pick the ball up, run a few steps then throw it to the other team numerous times in almost every game and nothing is said. No way did this specific one get singled out for any reason other than the ref being a twat. What makes it worse os that they'd been wasting time since we scored right up to half time and he did nothing.
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I felt that, especially when one of ours (McGinn?) did something similar near the halfway line and wasn't booked.
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The Bulgarian official makes average of 5 yellows a game so can expect a booking or two this evening.
It's interesting Keith Hackett says in England don't value yellow cards like do in European leagues as it's 3 not 5 for a ban
That's also the case in Champions League. It's not out of question of inital 8 matches that going to have someone picking up 3, 5 or 7 yellow cards resulting in suspension so lets hope for players discipline this evening.
But the officials play there part and set the tone.
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Champions League Disciplinary and Card Watch
Yellow card Rules
Suspension for 3, 5 and 7 yellows in the League Phase
Yellow cards are reset after the quarter-finals.
1 yellow card v Young Boys
Duran a mindless yellow card.
Absolutely not good move on his celebrations and foolishly yellow carded.
2 more in the 7 games and he's suspended.
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Vs. Wolves 9 Yellows in Match 3 Villa and 6 Wolves
3 Yellow Cards:
Pau Torres, Morgan Rogers and Ross Barkley needless kicking ball away (Time Wasting)
Premier League Player Card Count 5 games
2 Yellow Cards:
Onana
1 Yellow Card:
Martinez and Barkley: Time Wasting
Rogers
Pau
Barkley
McGinn
Duran
Tielemans
Bailey
Philogene
Bogarde
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Champions League Card Watch
Yellow card Rules
Suspension for 3, 5 and 7 yellows in the League Phase of 8 games
Yellow cards are reset after the quarter-finals.
Yellow Cards
2 Duran
1 Diego Carlos Hand ball
1 Ian Maatsen
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Against Ipswich 1 booking Digne picked up his first booking of season. He's 3rd player this season to be booked for time wasting
Premier League Player Card Count 6 games
2 Yellow Cards:
Onana
1 Yellow Card:
Martinez and Barkley, Digne: Time Wasting
Rogers
Pau
Barkley
McGinn
Duran
Tielemans
Bailey
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Against Man Utd 1 booking Barkley
That's he's 2nd picked of season.
Premier League Player Card Count 7 games
2 Yellow Cards:
Onana
Barkley (1 for time wasting)
1 Yellow Card:
Martinez, Digne: Time Wasting
Rogers
Pau
Barkley
McGinn
Duran
Tielemans
Bailey
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I know it's early in the season, but we have improved on discipline so far.
Last season we ranked 4th worst with yellow cards on 94 and we had two red cards.
The best in the table by far were the top three in the table: Man City (52), Arsenal (62) and Liverpool (65)
However, thus far this season, we are 3rd equal on 14 yellows.
Chelsea were the worst team last season and are vying for that title again this season with 27 yellows.
Cucurella and Fofana have already managed to get 5 yellows and are banned from the next Chelsea game at Liverpool.
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Cucurrella is a twat.
He couldn't wait to get involved in Sunday's bust-up.
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And Cole Palmer, to his immense credit, just sat down and let it all happen.
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And Cole Palmer, to his immense credit, just sat down and let it all happen.
He's too stupid to get involve in a dust up, he'd be swinging at his own players. He's a great footballer, but boy is he dumb. He's been instructed by the manager to sit in the centre circle if anything happens and wait until he receives his safe word.
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He just seems an incredibly chilled out bloke, I'm not sure how we can be certain of his intelligence levels.
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Intelligence has many forms, clearly his spatial awareness is off the charts.
I mean, I can probably compose a better email or PowerPoint presentation but no fucker is paying £100k a week for that.
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Intelligence has many forms, clearly his spatial awareness is off the charts.
I mean, I can probably compose a better email or PowerPoint presentation but no fucker is paying £100k a week for that.
£95K, take it or leave it.
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Intelligence has many forms, clearly his spatial awareness is off the charts.
I mean, I can probably compose a better email or PowerPoint presentation but no fucker is paying £100k a week for that.
£95K, take it or leave it.
This is what I mean, honestly, at the rate we'll have to give up the zoo.
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Intelligence has many forms, clearly his spatial awareness is off the charts.
I mean, I can probably compose a better email or PowerPoint presentation but no fucker is paying £100k a week for that.
£95K, take it or leave it.
Christ, next you'll be wanting Mon-Fri 9-5 as well.
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Vs Fulham
Yellow cards: Digne, Rogers, Bailey
Two Yellow cards and Sent Off: Philogene.
Matty Cash gave away a penalty.
Premier League Player Card Count 8 games.
2 Yellow Cards:
Onana,
Bailey
Rogers
Digne
Barkley
1 Yellow Card:
Martinez
Pau
McGinn
Duran
Tielemans
Jaden Philogene now has a 1 match Suspension and misses Bournemouth at home next Saturday.
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The entire squad got booked today pretty much.
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Ref ruined the game today
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Ref ruined the game today
Yep, 15 cards, absolute bellend.
I bet both teams get fined for that, for not 'controlling the players' or some such rubbish.
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26 fouls in the game.
13 yellow cards.
From that you'd think it was a bloodbath.
No idea why the ref went card happy late on.
That alone contributed to the excessive injury time.
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26 fouls in the game.
13 yellow cards.
From that you'd think it was a bloodbath.
No idea why the ref went card happy late on.
That alone contributed to the excessive injury time.
Late on? - the first was in the fourth minute, so he boxed himself in somewhat.
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Aye, ridiculous, for us only the Youri, Barclay and Digne ones looked like bookings. All of theirs should have been reds mind.
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26 fouls in the game.
13 yellow cards.
From that you'd think it was a bloodbath.
No idea why the ref went card happy late on.
That alone contributed to the excessive injury time.
Late on? - the first was in the fourth minute, so he boxed himself in somewhat.
The only positive is that once he started booking for certain offences, he remained consistent throughout the game.
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26 fouls in the game.
13 yellow cards.
From that you'd think it was a bloodbath.
No idea why the ref went card happy late on.
That alone contributed to the excessive injury time.
Late on? - the first was in the fourth minute, so he boxed himself in somewhat.
The only positive is that once he started booking for certain offences, he remained consistent throughout the game.
I see the point but surely someone needs to talk to him and explain that you can let a few things just be fouls, we got 7 yellow cards for 12 fouls, that has to be up there with the highest ratio of bookings to fouls ever.
Aye, ridiculous, for us only the Youri, Barclay and Digne ones looked like bookings. All of theirs should have been reds mind.
Even Tielemans can be a bit aggrieved because he didn't actually made contact with the tackle, he was slightly late and ended up in the wak and their guy tripped over his leg. Tripping a player is on the list of things that can be given as a foul, so that's fine but the decision is then was the action: careless, reckless or using excessive force with it rising from just a foul, to yellow and to red as you move up those. So was there anything reckless about the challenge or, to redefine that slightly, did he do anything that intentionally put the opponent at risk of injury? (which is how it's supposed to be considered)
The other measure is if something was done to intentionally stop play which is where Digne and Barkley come in and theirs were fair enough, they were in areas of the pitch where 'win the ball and if you can't then stop the man' was clearly on their mind.
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Champions League
Today suspended Diego Carlos for 3 yellow cards
Duran is on 2 bookings one more booking he will be suspended.
Yellow card Rules
Suspension for 3, 5 and 7 yellows in the League Phase of 8 games
Yellow cards are reset after the quarter-finals.
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Disciplinary stats Champions League watch
14 Yellow cards from 65 committed fouls.
Other players to have been booked -all one booking
Maatsen, Kamara, Konsa, Bailey , Tielemans, Barkley, Mings, Pau.
It's interesting to note that Rogers has played every game in the Champions League without receiving a booking, yet he has received six bookings and suspensions in the Premier League.
So Duran has bookings both in Europe and Prem whereas Rogers doesn't
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Champions League
Today suspended Diego Carlos for 3 yellow cards
Duran is on 2 bookings one more booking he will be suspended.
Yellow card Rules
Suspension for 3, 5 and 7 yellows in the League Phase of 8 games
Yellow cards are reset after the quarter-finals.
I think Duran gets banned if he gets another booking, doesn't he?
Yes covered such things in disciplinary topic.
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I do really enjoy Rogers and way he plays however he was booked again and that's 7 in the league this season.
It didn't help with the official today which caused extra frustration but Rogers needs to use all of his senses and get booked far less that he does.
10 bookings will lead to a 2 match ban.
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Rogers took one for the team yesterday; had he not done so they were definitely on the way.
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Why was Emery booked v Brugge?
Didn’t seem anything untoward
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Discipline watch champions league all one booking away from a suspension:
Kamara, Digne, Disasi, Rashford.
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Discipline watch champions league all one booking away from a suspension:
Kamara, Digne, Disasi, Rashford.
Two start and two benched.
Kamara and Rashy start and certainly hope Kamara doesn’t get booked today. He so important for the team so must be careful.
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FA Cup disciplinary watch
FA Cup yellow cards don't carry over into the Premier League
FA Cup Red cards do carry over to the next match or matches in the Premier League
A Red Card in Premier League can carry over to suspension in FA Cup
No players are at risk of missing the potential semi final unless red carded
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Suspension Watch Prem League
Any player who receive a total of 10 yellow cards in first 32 Premier League matches receive a two-match suspension.
Rogers is currently on 8 yellow cards after 29 games so is at risk
No other player at risk.
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Some poor yellow cards going on in the Brighton match
Martinez as ever time wasting
Disasi the same
Watkins booked for a foul
tbf all deserved bookings.