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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Smirker on October 30, 2023, 03:50:54 PM
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Sunday 5th November,
Hopefully a sparkling performance to continue our explosive form and we will be Catherine wheeling around B6. Plenty of firepower up front, all scoring goals so fingers crossed our fire works again here.
Going for 2-0 Villa.
FTF 8)
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amateur. No poll
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is the Hooters still open by the City Ground ?
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The Franz Carr derby. Hope he gets a warm reception at half-time if he's paraded.
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I'm going for a 2-0 win.
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Could be nervy enough, 2-1 to us.
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I think this is the most difficult of the bottom team matches
If we can get ourselves ahead, I think we can take the points
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The Franz Carr derby. Hope he gets a warm reception at half-time if he's paraded.
Players you easily forget have played for us.
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3-1, a tight game with a late counter from us to wrap it up (McGinn, Diaby, Watkins)
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The Franz Carr derby. Hope he gets a warm reception at half-time if he's paraded.
Players you easily forget have played for us.
I hope it's a double celebration with Carl Tiler.
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is the Hooters still open by the City Ground ?
Baltimore in 2000. I was nominally in charge of two 18 year old lads and a 14 year old kid.
We went to Hooters :)
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Is there room for an Colin Calderwood?
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is the Hooters still open by the City Ground ?
Unfortunately yes. It's not by City ground more near the station and County ground. Walked past it a few times on my many trips to Trent Bridge.
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is the Hooters still open by the City Ground ?
Unfortunately yes. It's not by City ground more near the station and County ground. Walked past it a few times on my many trips to Trent Bridge.
I love their wings . Fantastic
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They’re strong at home. We’ll need to be right at it.
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is the Hooters still open by the City Ground ?
Unfortunately yes. It's not by City ground more near the station and County ground. Walked past it a few times on my many trips to Trent Bridge.
One of my mates suggested going there last time i went to Trent Bridge. I said, no - they'll think were there to collect our daughters
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They’re strong at home. We’ll need to be right at it.
The way we've been starting games under Unai, generally, reminds me of Liverpool during their 13/14 season where they'd come out at 100mph and create chance after chance and before the opposition had time to think, they were two or three goals down.
They had Suárez who could finish better than anyone we have, this isn't a dig at Ollie but we need to be more consistent with finishing chances. Zaniolo's from Ollie's flick on Sunday was a good example.
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They’re strong at home. We’ll need to be right at it.
Not really. 1 win (gimme against Sheffield United) and three draws with Brentford, Luton and Burnley. I predict a funeralling.
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I’m talking more broadly since Cooper came in. It’s more they’re not easy to beat. I hope you’re right though!
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Luton scored twice against them. Forest are bang average. Much like the Burnley game I expect us to dominate possession and just be too good overall across 90 min.
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2-0.
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Them 1-4 Us. It's our score these days.
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The Franz Carr derby. Hope he gets a warm reception at half-time if he's paraded.
So, players who have played for both teams: Carr, Calderwood, Collymore, Lansbury, Charles, Parker, Withe, Lichaj, Adomah, Hodge, Cash, Hutton…
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is the Hooters still open by the City Ground ?
Unfortunately yes. It's not by City ground more near the station and County ground. Walked past it a few times on my many trips to Trent Bridge.
I love their wings . Fantastic
Bingo not buffalo.
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is the Hooters still open by the City Ground ?
Unfortunately yes. It's not by City ground more near the station and County ground. Walked past it a few times on my many trips to Trent Bridge.
I love their wings . Fantastic
Bingo not buffalo.
Move post to Wayne Rooney thread
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The Franz Carr derby. Hope he gets a warm reception at half-time if he's paraded.
So, players who have played for both teams: Carr, Calderwood, Collymore, Lansbury, Charles, Parker, Withe, Lichaj, Adomah, Hodge, Cash, Hutton…
Marlon Harewood. Steve Stone. Jermaine Jenas.
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I raise you Keinan Davis
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I raise you Keinan Davis
He'd only fall over.
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Had a glance at a Forest forum and quite a few think it’s their time to get a win. Conversely I think it’s time for us to put on a show away from home.
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And not forgetting Isaiah Osbourne.
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Kenny Swain
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Had a glance at a Forest forum and quite a few think it’s their time to get a win. Conversely I think it’s time for us to put on a show away from home.
I fancy us in this one , reason being Forest at home will come at us and we will exploit the gaps . Plus we have a clear week of prep.
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Ricardo Scimecha
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Carl Tiler?
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Win this and Emery is doing better than the 80/81 season.
Season 80/81.. Played 42.. Points 86 based on 3 points for a win... Average 2.048 points per game.
Emery reign if we win Played 36.. Points 74... Average 2.055 per game.
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Little Alan Wright
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Geoff Vowden
Sam Hardy
Jermaine Jenas
Trevor Hockey
Gary Parker
David Platt (player/manager)
Nicky Shorey
John Terry
Played for them and managed us..MON & Tony Barton.
Played for us and managed them.. Billy Walker.
Managed both... Ron Atkinson & TSM.
Dad played for them and son managed us.. Joe Mercer Snr. & Joe Mercer
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Forest have lost two home games in prem in 12 months, some stat for a bottom half team who just about stayed up.
They'll low block us exactly like Wolves did so wouldn't surprise me if it's a low scoring draw.
Would be amazed if Bailey dosen't start given how mediocre Zaniolo was yesterday. Beyond that usual team, quite a novelty to have a week off.
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we were pretty crap last year there and managed a draw , but we have both improved, us more so . 1-2
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Forest have lost two home games in prem in 12 months, some stat for a bottom half team who just about stayed up.
They'll low block us exactly like Wolves did so wouldn't surprise me if it's a low scoring draw.
Would be amazed if Bailey dosen't start given how mediocre Zaniolo was yesterday. Beyond that usual team, quite a novelty to have a week off.
Zaniolo will start and so he should. Bailey is a home player and impact sub type player
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Geoff Vowden
Sam Hardy
Jermaine Jenas
Trevor Hockey
Gary Parker
David Platt (player/manager)
Nicky Shorey
John Terry
Played for them and managed us..MON & Tony Barton.
Played for us and managed them.. Billy Walker.
Managed both... Ron Atkinson & TSM.
Dad played for them and son managed us.. Joe Mercer Snr. & Joe Mercer
Steve Hodge played for us and them ...
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I'm going with the 2-1 vibe here, think we will just edge it
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Forest have lost two home games in prem in 12 months, some stat for a bottom half team who just about stayed up.
They'll low block us exactly like Wolves did so wouldn't surprise me if it's a low scoring draw.
Would be amazed if Bailey dosen't start given how mediocre Zaniolo was yesterday. Beyond that usual team, quite a novelty to have a week off.
Yeah was thinking that. Don't want to sound like sour grapes but I am on reflection glad that our being knocked out of the LC has given us this week off
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The Franz Carr derby. Hope he gets a warm reception at half-time if he's paraded.
Players you easily forget have played for us.
I’ll always remember his only goal for us, which was a big one at Forest in the FA Cup Quarter final. We really thought (yet again) it was going to be our year. Spoiler alert - it wasn’t.
https://www.reddit.com/r/avfc/comments/11q6d5g/franz_carrs_only_goal_for_villa/
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2-1 to us
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Injury time goal will win this for us 1-2
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0-3 Villa. Easy.
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3 points and a clean sheet please. I'll take 0-1 but 0-4 would be sound too.
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Geoff Vowden
Sam Hardy
Jermaine Jenas
Trevor Hockey
Gary Parker
David Platt (player/manager)
Nicky Shorey
John Terry
Played for them and managed us..MON & Tony Barton.
Played for us and managed them.. Billy Walker.
Managed both... Ron Atkinson & TSM.
Dad played for them and son managed us.. Joe Mercer Snr. & Joe Mercer
Steve Hodge played for us and them ...
Who turned the word filter off for him??
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Geoff Vowden
Sam Hardy
Jermaine Jenas
Trevor Hockey
Gary Parker
David Platt (player/manager)
Nicky Shorey
John Terry
Played for them and managed us..MON & Tony Barton.
Played for us and managed them.. Billy Walker.
Managed both... Ron Atkinson & TSM.
Dad played for them and son managed us.. Joe Mercer Snr. & Joe Mercer
Steve Hodge played for us and them ...
Played for them and appeared for us.
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This is the 'tricky' sort of game we have to be winning if we have ambitions to be in the top four/five at the end of the season.
Unai and the players know it, hence, 0-2 to the villa.
Happy days.
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As a top 5 club, we should look at this fixture as the other top 5 clubs do. They all expect to win and so should we. No match is easy, (even Brighton at home) but if we respect the opposition and trust our processes we will get our reward. 0-3
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This is the 'tricky' sort of games we have to be winning if we have ambitions to be in the top four/five at the end of the season.
Unai and the players know it, hence, 0-2 to the villa.
Happy days.
True but last season didn't they draw with Man City and Man Utd at home and beat Arsenal, meaning the only top four team (as of last year) to beat them there was Newcastle and that was a last minute winner.
So don’t think it’ll be a walk over, but agree with the sentiment that the result needs to match the ambition.
*might be wrong on man utd result but too lazy to look.
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They were 2-0 up against Luton this season though at home, and managed to stuff that up. Even we managed to draw at home against Man City last season, and that was when we were still very much shit.
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The Franz Carr derby. Hope he gets a warm reception at half-time if he's paraded.
Players you easily forget have played for us.
I’ll always remember his only goal for us, which was a big one at Forest in the FA Cup Quarter final. We really thought (yet again) it was going to be our year. Spoiler alert - it wasn’t.
https://www.reddit.com/r/avfc/comments/11q6d5g/franz_carrs_only_goal_for_villa/
What a fantastic night that was. Celebrated at the end like we’d already won the Cup.
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I now have the obligatory Bad Feeling. I'll never forget when we beat Blackburn under MON to look really secure in the top 4, everyone was saying we went up a level, looked solidly like a big team, and thereafter did that absolute classic MON spring collapse.
I know Emery is better than MON, I know all of this. You just can't help but feel a balloon is inflating towards a pin, as a Villa fan.
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I'm on the opposite shift to one. We give each other stick over the radio during handover. Working Sunday. Would like a win to ruin his night before it begins.
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They were 2-0 up against Luton this season though at home, and managed to stuff that up. Even we managed to draw at home against Man City last season, and that was when we were still very much shit.
All true and I’m not being negative, just trying to dampen my over excitement! I think we will win and i think we will beat Fulham and then, the way Spurs are being hyped it’s the first really big one of the season (choosing to strategically ignore Newcastle and Liverpool). I think we’ll beat Spurs as well to be honest….at which stage the noise both internally and externally around the Man City game midweek under the lights, will be quite hard to fathom.
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I now have the obligatory Bad Feeling. I'll never forget when we beat Blackburn under MON to look really secure in the top 4, everyone was saying we went up a level, looked solidly like a big team, and thereafter did that absolute classic MON spring collapse.
I know Emery is better than MON, I know all of this. You just can't help but feel a balloon is inflating towards a pin, as a Villa fan.
It's in our DNA. It's Emery's biggest job in this project to alter it. We are always looking for banana skins, every game becomes one because we've had so many before.
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Johnson, who went to Spurs in the summer was their main man.
No him = no points for them at home to us this year
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I now have the obligatory Bad Feeling. I'll never forget when we beat Blackburn under MON to look really secure in the top 4, everyone was saying we went up a level, looked solidly like a big team, and thereafter did that absolute classic MON spring collapse.
I know Emery is better than MON, I know all of this. You just can't help but feel a balloon is inflating towards a pin, as a Villa fan.
I was there that day and came out at the end saying to our kid we were in the title race.
Heskey the missing piece of the jigsaw, lol.
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I think the difference between now and the MON era is that we all knew, deep down, that he had his faults (and was too stubborn to change) but most of us just didn't want to admit it at the time.
Unai is the real deal in comparison.
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I think the difference between now and the MON era is that we all knew, deep down, that he had his faults (and was too stubborn to change) but most of us just didn't want to admit it at the time.
Unai is the real deal in comparison.
It was always obvious when we came up against a properly coached team, no matter how good our players were and how much team spirit we had.
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a win please Villa 1-2
UTV
The Doc
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All true and I’m not being negative, just trying to dampen my over excitement! I think we will win and i think we will beat Fulham and then, the way Spurs are being hyped it’s the first really big one of the season (choosing to strategically ignore Newcastle and Liverpool). I think we’ll beat Spurs as well to be honest….at which stage the noise both internally and externally around the Man City game midweek under the lights, will be quite hard to fathom.
10-12 ponts from the next 4 games (optimistic but achievable) and Citeh would indeed be a massive occasion under the lights.
Hoping Wood is still out with that groin strain as he might be a bit of a handful for Pau and Konsa.
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I think the difference between now and the MON era is that we all knew, deep down, that he had his faults (and was too stubborn to change) but most of us just didn't want to admit it at the time.
Unai is the real deal in comparison.
Totally agree like comparing apples and pears
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Bear in mind that mostly for the last few weeks Emery and staff have had a midweek game to also prep for, or an international break where half the squad disappear. He now has a full week with everyone available to plan for Forest. They should be afraid.
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1-3 win, won't be easy but the team is full of confidence and playing bloody brilliant.
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The Franz Carr derby. Hope he gets a warm reception at half-time if he's paraded.
Players you easily forget have played for us.
I’ll always remember his only goal for us, which was a big one at Forest in the FA Cup Quarter final. We really thought (yet again) it was going to be our year. Spoiler alert - it wasn’t.
https://www.reddit.com/r/avfc/comments/11q6d5g/franz_carrs_only_goal_for_villa/
What a fantastic night that was. Celebrated at the end like we’d already won the Cup.
Some fantastically shonky defending from Forest there. The #5 seems to think FC is about a yard to the left of where he actually is, and the #3 looks like he is standing back to let him shoot freely. It wouldn't be good manners to not let him have a try...
Hope they are that bad Sun
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I now have the obligatory Bad Feeling. I'll never forget when we beat Blackburn under MON to look really secure in the top 4, everyone was saying we went up a level, looked solidly like a big team, and thereafter did that absolute classic MON spring collapse.
I know Emery is better than MON, I know all of this. You just can't help but feel a balloon is inflating towards a pin, as a Villa fan.
I was there that day and came out at the end saying to our kid we were in the title race.
Heskey the missing piece of the jigsaw, lol.
Feel so bad for him! I mean I guess he's a millionaire and everything, but you know. He was a very good player at what he did, really useful, great pro, nice guy, all that. You're not getting relegated with Heskey. Trouble is, MON carried that safety-first mentality to the top 6 where...it had limits.
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The Franz Carr derby. Hope he gets a warm reception at half-time if he's paraded.
Players you easily forget have played for us.
I’ll always remember his only goal for us, which was a big one at Forest in the FA Cup Quarter final. We really thought (yet again) it was going to be our year. Spoiler alert - it wasn’t.
https://www.reddit.com/r/avfc/comments/11q6d5g/franz_carrs_only_goal_for_villa/
What a fantastic night that was. Celebrated at the end like we’d already won the Cup.
Some fantastically shonky defending from Forest there. The #5 seems to think FC is about a yard to the left of where he actually is, and the #3 looks like he is standing back to let him shoot freely. It wouldn't be good manners to not let him have a try...
Hope they are that bad Sun
Number 3 backing off shitting himself is none other than tactical genius and hardman Stuart Pearce.
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They seem to have quite a few players out, including Wood, Origi, Hudson-Odoi and Felipe.
Makes me a bit more confident of a Villa victory.
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Feel so bad for him! I mean I guess he's a millionaire and everything, but you know. He was a very good player at what he did, really useful, great pro, nice guy, all that. You're not getting relegated with Heskey. Trouble is, MON carried that safety-first mentality to the top 6 where...it had limits.
Blues got relegated with heskey. Just saying!
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Feel so bad for him! I mean I guess he's a millionaire and everything, but you know. He was a very good player at what he did, really useful, great pro, nice guy, all that. You're not getting relegated with Heskey. Trouble is, MON carried that safety-first mentality to the top 6 where...it had limits.
Blues got relegated with heskey. Just saying!
Yeah but that's not fair, he's not a miracle-worker!
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3.1 to us.
When is Ramsey back?
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Lansbury and Collymore played for Forest and Villa.
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A week off couldn't have come at a better time. Despite being a tough prospect a fully rested squad should have more than enough to get the win but I can see it being narrow, with Emery's pragmatism winning the day.
0-1
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Ramsey expected back around 2028 and likewise for Moreno as they were both “short term injuries” which in Villa speak means years away!!
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A week off couldn't have come at a better time. Despite being a tough prospect a fully rested squad should have more than enough to get the win but I can see it being narrow, with Emery's pragmatism winning the day.
0-1
Not the worst thing in the world to have lost to Everton.
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Disappointed not to be playing in the cup, but very happy that we're getting a week's rest, going 3 nil Villa.
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Can't wait to play Spuds and smash them.
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Back in the day nearly every set of fans hated Nottingham Forest.
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Gibbs-White is their best player
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Back in the day nearly every set of fans hated Nottingham Forest.
And Liverpool, too. And Leicester.
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Back in the day nearly every set of fans hated Nottingham Forest.
And Liverpool, too. And Leicester.
But...
Villa we love you
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Back in the day nearly every set of fans hated Nottingham Forest.
And Liverpool...
Going off topic entirely now but when did everyone apart from Liverpool stop singing "you'll never walk alone"? Everyone used to sing it. I remember us singing it in the 1994 LC Final, so not especially long ago (ok, nearly 30 years ago). But still, when did this happen?
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Back in the day nearly every set of fans hated Nottingham Forest.
And Liverpool...
Going off topic entirely now but when did everyone apart from Liverpool stop singing "you'll never walk alone"? Everyone used to sing it. I remember us singing it in the 1994 LC Final, so not especially long ago (ok, nearly 30 years ago). But still, when did this happen?
We've had this one before. We definitely sang it against Bradford in 1988, then by 1994 it was reserved for Old Trafford to wind up the Mancs and for blokes in pink suits. Maybe after Hillsborough.
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Going off topic entirely now but when did everyone apart from Liverpool stop singing "you'll never walk alone"? Everyone used to sing it. I remember us singing it in the 1994 LC Final, so not especially long ago (ok, nearly 30 years ago). But still, when did this happen?
We've had this one before. We definitely sang it against Bradford in 1988, then by 1994 it was reserved for Old Trafford to wind up the Mancs and for blokes in pink suits. Maybe after Hillsborough.
Pretty sure you can also hear it being sung at the Tranmere semi-final in '94.
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It definitely was at the 94 final, don't remember it at the 96 final. But then in 1994, people were singing along to the Coke jingle that was played repeatedly in Wembley.
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i don't recall singing YNWA. Sounds disturbing
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clean sheet
Diaby and Watkins 0-2
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Straight forward win. 0-2
Watkins & Luiz
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A week off couldn't have come at a better time. Despite being a tough prospect a fully rested squad should have more than enough to get the win but I can see it being narrow, with Emery's pragmatism winning the day.
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Not the worst thing in the world to have lost to Everton.
I know what you mean about the workload for the players, but I'd fancy us against pretty much any team in the country right now so think we'd have had a chance to go far in it.
Saying that, the league and Europe are probably the priorities this season, though I hope we really have a go at the FA Cup as well.
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Forest will have to have a go being the home team. I think we'll have far too much quality for them to handle . 1-4
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A week off couldn't have come at a better time. Despite being a tough prospect a fully rested squad should have more than enough to get the win but I can see it being narrow, with Emery's pragmatism winning the day.
0-1
Not the worst thing in the world to have lost to Everton.
I said this at the time but thinking about it, the more games we've played, the better team we've looked.
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A week off couldn't have come at a better time. Despite being a tough prospect a fully rested squad should have more than enough to get the win but I can see it being narrow, with Emery's pragmatism winning the day.
0-1
Not the worst thing in the world to have lost to Everton.
I said this at the time but thinking about it, the more games we've played, the better team we've looked.
I'd rather we were still in the Cup, but as things stand this little break is well timed.
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I think the Carabao would have been a bridge too far, glad to be out of it , winning it is fairly pointless
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I think the Carabao would have been a bridge too far, glad to be out of it , winning it is fairly pointless
I’ll tell you what’s pointless winning nothing for 28 years
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I think the Carabao would have been a bridge too far, glad to be out of it , winning it is fairly pointless
Are you serious?
I agree, it's not the end of the world and the rest will do us good, but winning it isn't pointless at all.
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I think the Carabao would have been a bridge too far, glad to be out of it , winning it is fairly pointless
I’ll tell you what’s pointless winning nothing for 28 years
This.
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I did the Villa park tour yesterday (well worth it - really good tour guide, kids loved it) and the league cup is up alongside the other cups on display. It is definitely worth something.
BUT, the league is the massive priority, so I can live without it... until we win it next year (along with the FA cup and a good run in the CL before we drop out and win the UEFA cup).
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I think the Carabao would have been a bridge too far, glad to be out of it , winning it is fairly pointless
I’ll tell you what’s pointless winning nothing for 28 years
This.
And if winning the league cup is indeed pointless, that means 1994 and 1996 were both pointless, and that makes us a club which has won nothing in 41 years.
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We can have a serious go at winning the ECL. Also if we win the group we won't play in the competition again until early March so no excuse at all to play weak teams in the early rounds of FA cup as we're not actually playing that many premier league games around that time either.
I think league cup on the night we just weren't that bothered and Everton exploited our mindset. Luiz on the night probably put in his worst game for us in two years and three days later he's back to dominating Brighton's midfield.
I think Emery wasn't bothered at all about it (playing McGinn at LB hints as much) and that filtered through to the players against Everton.
This is our last free midweek until December 20th.
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Playing in Europe doesn't seem to have had a negative effect on our league fortunes, and after tonight in the League Cup it's down to the last 8. I will never have any truck with the idea that any of the cups aren't worth taking seriously. As John says, when we haven't won anything for nearly 30 years, we can't afford to be fussy.
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I know people will disagree but I think playing two games a week when in Europe actually helps us rather than hinders
Becoming an efficient Winning machine is what it’s all about and more games playing with each other is a positive
People say Spurs are in a better position because they have a week to recover before they play their next league game. I think it’s actually works the other way, practice makes perfect as they say, and two long gaps between games won’t do them any good
They will drop down the league waiting to long for the next game to come round
I’ve never been in the camp of professional players can’t play twice a week, it’s just modern day bullshit, if you tell a professional player nowadays that he’ll be tired, then he’ll be tired
Yes I am old and I suppose I’m old school, but I don’t see all the fixtures in league and cup as anything but exciting
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I'd have liked a trophy too, but financially speaking, I think winning the League Cup might actually be worthless. £100,000 for the winner. I'd love to see a small team winning it because the prize money might actually do something for them. It wouldn't even pay a week's wages to one of our senior player for us.
If you were to get all away draws on your way to winning it, you wouldn't even have multiple match day revenues to make it worthwhile.
Obviously, as a fan, I don't look at it that way. But honestly the way we went out of it was more disappointing to me than the fact we went out.
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The financial upside is of no real interest to be honest. I don't imagine that the FA Cup brings in much cash either in the grand scheme of things, but there aren't many Villa fans who wouldn't want to win it, just because it's not financially that lucrative.
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We will make full use of the break and I am sure it will help. But I can guarantee that Emery didn’t expect us to lose at home to Everton and wanted to remain in all 4 competitions. We’ve won fuck all for ages and are in no position to be turning our noses up at any trophy opportunity.
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We will make full use of the break and I am sure it will help. But I can guarantee that Emery didn’t expect us to lose at home to Everton and wanted to remain in all 4 competitions. We’ve won fuck all for ages and are in no position to be turning our noses up at any trophy opportunity.
I said it at the time, we put out a stronger side against Everton than we did the week before against Legia Warsaw. That's why it was so disappointing that we lost. Players didn't step up. The manager sent out a team that was capable of winning it.
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I think the Carabao would have been a bridge too far, glad to be out of it , winning it is fairly pointless
I’ll tell you what’s pointless winning nothing for 28 years
what i meant was the prize for winning it - entry into the Conference League again is a bit pointless.
I'm more than happy we are focusing on the Conference (gets you Europa) and top 4 (gets you ECL), those will help promote the club and attract even better players
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We will make full use of the break and I am sure it will help. But I can guarantee that Emery didn’t expect us to lose at home to Everton and wanted to remain in all 4 competitions. We’ve won fuck all for ages and are in no position to be turning our noses up at any trophy opportunity.
I said it at the time, we put out a stronger side against Everton than we did the week before against Legia Warsaw. That's why it was so disappointing that we lost. Players didn't step up. The manager sent out a team that was capable of winning it.
10 players and Robin Olsen.
We wouldn't have lost that game with Emi in goal. He won't make that mistake again, giving anything more than one start to Olsen unforced is Emery’s only black mark so far.
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We will make full use of the break and I am sure it will help. But I can guarantee that Emery didn’t expect us to lose at home to Everton and wanted to remain in all 4 competitions. We’ve won fuck all for ages and are in no position to be turning our noses up at any trophy opportunity.
I said it at the time, we put out a stronger side against Everton than we did the week before against Legia Warsaw. That's why it was so disappointing that we lost. Players didn't step up. The manager sent out a team that was capable of winning it.
We were very flat that evening. It was weird because the team sent out was more than capable of winning. It happens. It’s shit. Good teams lose games. But it was odd how poorly we played given how well we had been.
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I think the Carabao would have been a bridge too far, glad to be out of it , winning it is fairly pointless
I’ll tell you what’s pointless winning nothing for 28 years
what i meant was the prize for winning it - entry into the Conference League again is a bit pointless.
I'm more than happy we are focusing on the Conference (gets you Europa) and top 4 (gets you ECL), those will help promote the club and attract even better players
Fair enough
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10 players and Robin Olsen.
We wouldn't have lost that game with Emi in goal. He won't make that mistake again, giving anything more than one start to Olsen unforced is Emery’s only black mark so far.
It was Olsen's fault everyone else was shit, was it?
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10 players and Robin Olsen.
We wouldn't have lost that game with Emi in goal. He won't make that mistake again, giving anything more than one start to Olsen unforced is Emery’s only black mark so far.
It was Olsen's fault everyone else was shit, was it?
Olsen’s more often than not always shit
He is a total and absolute liability the only games he gets through unscathed are the ones where he has very little to do
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We will make full use of the break and I am sure it will help. But I can guarantee that Emery didn’t expect us to lose at home to Everton and wanted to remain in all 4 competitions. We’ve won fuck all for ages and are in no position to be turning our noses up at any trophy opportunity.
I said it at the time, we put out a stronger side against Everton than we did the week before against Legia Warsaw. That's why it was so disappointing that we lost. Players didn't step up. The manager sent out a team that was capable of winning it.
We were very flat that evening. It was weird because the team sent out was more than capable of winning. It happens. It’s shit. Good teams lose games. But it was odd how poorly we played given how well we had been.
Luiz performance summed it up.
Tielemans aswell basically just sending Calvert Lewin through on goal with a terrible pass. Why he wasn't close to starting a prem game around that time although he's closer now with his performances in our euro games.
Mentality wasn't there on the night, certainly not when we went 1 down and had to chase the game.
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What days did the boys get off work this week - Monday and Thursday? Cheeky half-day Friday, Unai's a fair man.
Judging from comments after the Brighton and Luton games, the oppo analysis seems to happen late-on, the day before/morning of a game or is that just when we've played a Thursday night game?
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I agree, Forest will be up for this one though missing Chris Wood at CF . Depends how early Villa can get control and if Olly scores more than he misses
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10 players and Robin Olsen.
We wouldn't have lost that game with Emi in goal. He won't make that mistake again, giving anything more than one start to Olsen unforced is Emery’s only black mark so far.
It was Olsen's fault everyone else was shit, was it?
No, it was his fault he was shit, thwacking another scuffed pass to their forward leading to the first and offering the impediment of a single cricket stump to Calvert Lewin running through.
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You can tell that the whole mindset of the team is different when Olsen is playing. The defence don't seem to have any faith in him, so the psyche of the team from the word go is very different. It'd be like having a cart horse like Ben Mee in defence instead of Torres, or Scott Hogan up front instead of Watkins. A key part of what makes us good is missing, and in Olsen the replacement is massively inferior to the first teamer.
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Olsen must be why we lost to Newcastle, Liverpool and Legia too. The players could see him on the bench and just couldn't shake the lack of confidence.
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Olsen must be why we lost to Newcastle, Liverpool and Legia too. The players could see him on the bench and just couldn't shake the lack of confidence.
Deary me, really? This reminds me of people getting overly upset when Wayne Routledge or Nigel Reo-Coker were criticised
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Olsen must be why we lost to Newcastle, Liverpool and Legia too. The players could see him on the bench and just couldn't shake the lack of confidence.
Deary me, really? This reminds me of people getting overly upset when Wayne Routledge or Nigel Reo-Coker were criticised
I'm not "overly upset", I'm just incredibly bored of people using Olsen as a scapegoat for every bloody game we've lost. Someone even claimed the only reason we looked so comfortable and won easily against Alkmaar was because Emery finally realised he can't play Olsen. Like what a load of bull.
I know Martinez is a brilliant keeper. I know Olsen is far from it. I would love to sign an upgrade on him ASAP. I'd be happy if he's already played his last game for us. I just don't see the need to keep having a go at him when we've won games he's played in, and lost games Martinez played in.
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That seems overly upset to me.
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Olsen must be why we lost to Newcastle, Liverpool and Legia too. The players could see him on the bench and just couldn't shake the lack of confidence.
Deary me, really? This reminds me of people getting overly upset when Wayne Routledge or Nigel Reo-Coker were criticised
I'm not "overly upset", I'm just incredibly bored of people using Olsen as a scapegoat for every bloody game we've lost. Someone even claimed the only reason we looked so comfortable and won easily against Alkmaar was because Emery finally realised he can't play Olsen. Like what a load of bull.
I know Martinez is a brilliant keeper. I know Olsen is far from it. I would love to sign an upgrade on him ASAP. I'd be happy if he's already played his last game for us. I just don't see the need to keep having a go at him when we've won games he's played in, and lost games Martinez played in.
He's been significantly at fault in each three cup defeats under Emery so far. He came on against Burnley at half time with us cruising and nearly gifted them a goal back with his first touch.
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Olsen must be why we lost to Newcastle, Liverpool and Legia too. The players could see him on the bench and just couldn't shake the lack of confidence.
Deary me, really? This reminds me of people getting overly upset when Wayne Routledge or Nigel Reo-Coker were criticised
I'm not "overly upset"
Are you just upset then
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I think the answer is somewhere in between as it relates to Olsen. He’s not always at fault. The outfield players need to do their job. But when the outfield players are off a little we can’t have the keeper let us down when called upon. And we are not talking about making an extraordinary save to keep us in games. It’s the very basic things that ultimately lets us down and deflates the team even more. We should have beaten Man U or Stevenage before Olsen’s fuck up but it sure didn’t help that when called upon, he fucked up.
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The Carabao cup is a weird one, I suspect most top flight teams think it's a bit pointless until they get to the QF and then it becomes a meaningful trophy.
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Olsen must be why we lost to Newcastle, Liverpool and Legia too. The players could see him on the bench and just couldn't shake the lack of confidence.
Deary me, really? This reminds me of people getting overly upset when Wayne Routledge or Nigel Reo-Coker were criticised
i reckon we tried to sign a better keeper than Olsen, but couldn't make it happen. We're Splat out of Luck on that front.
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This game is tougher than some may think.
Nottingham Forest have only lost 2 of their last 19 home games in the Premier League.
Since the start of last October, only Man City and Liverpool (one each) have fewer home Premier League defeats than Forest (2).
A tough nut to crack.
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This game is tougher than some may think.
Nottingham Forest have only lost 2 of their last 19 home games in the Premier League.
Since the start of last October, only Man City and Liverpool (one each) have fewer home Premier League defeats than Forest (2).
A tough nut to crack.
Sure. Won't be straightforward but Forest don't appear to have found much going this season.
I can add recent form for only matches for this season and they haven't played anyone on our level.
4 games played at home won 1 against the worst team in the league. 3 games have been against promoted teams.
Sheffield United 2-1
Burnley 1-1
Brentford 1-1
Luton 2-2
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Haven't watched them at all but results don't look like they've kicked on since last season. Their home record based on results above doesn't look too clever. Anything less than a win will be disappointing here.
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yep its a game we should be winning
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2-2
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2-2
would be disappointing to conceded 2 here
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I think the answer is somewhere in between as it relates to Olsen. He’s not always at fault. The outfield players need to do their job. But when the outfield players are off a little we can’t have the keeper let us down when called upon.
As well as his individual shitness he spreads panic amongst the back four.
You know any 50/50 (or 40/60) cross Martinez will go for it. Same when it comes to cleaning out his own defenders and opposition forwards from set pieces if needs be. Olsen sometimes comes for the ball and sometimes doesn't. And then sometimes passes the ball directly to the opposition.
His own defenders don't know what he's going to do so it's a problem.
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I assume Awoniyi is back?
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I assume Awoniyi is back?
Awoniyi and Elanga are real threats. Their weakness is defensively so we need to get at them.
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Olsen must be why we lost to Newcastle, Liverpool and Legia too. The players could see him on the bench and just couldn't shake the lack of confidence.
Deary me, really? This reminds me of people getting overly upset when Wayne Routledge or Nigel Reo-Coker were criticised
I'm not "overly upset", I'm just incredibly bored of people using Olsen as a scapegoat for every bloody game we've lost. Someone even claimed the only reason we looked so comfortable and won easily against Alkmaar was because Emery finally realised he can't play Olsen. Like what a load of bull.
I know Martinez is a brilliant keeper. I know Olsen is far from it. I would love to sign an upgrade on him ASAP. I'd be happy if he's already played his last game for us. I just don't see the need to keep having a go at him when we've won games he's played in, and lost games Martinez played in.
I think your swinging punches in an empty room here mate.
Olsen is shit, when he plays he makes us shitter, he’s not to blame for all the worlds ills, but he plainly makes us a worse side and bringing up games where we’ve lost with him not in the side is largely irrelevant and ignores virtually every game where he has played and been a nervous wreck and liability.
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I think your swinging punches in an empty room here mate.
Olsen is shit, when he plays he makes us shitter, he’s not to blame for all the worlds ills, but he plainly makes us a worse side and bringing up games where we’ve lost with him not in the side is largely irrelevant and ignores virtually every game where he has played and been a nervous wreck and liability.
So bringing up games we've lost without him in the side is irrelevant, but bringing him up as the only reason we won a game he didn't play in, is what? Perfectly logical? Good to know.
And bringing him up as the sole reason we lost to Everton when the entire team played like shite? Also fine, I assume.
This place sometimes is as bad as twitter. Why are you explaining to me how shit Olsen is when I've already said clearly how I think he's shit? It's like some of you decide you want to make a point and don't actually care what it is you're replying to.
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I think your swinging punches in an empty room here mate.
Olsen is shit, when he plays he makes us shitter, he’s not to blame for all the worlds ills, but he plainly makes us a worse side and bringing up games where we’ve lost with him not in the side is largely irrelevant and ignores virtually every game where he has played and been a nervous wreck and liability.
So bringing up games we've lost without him in the side is irrelevant, but bringing him up as the only reason we won a game he didn't play in, is what? Perfectly logical? Good to know.
And bringing him up as the sole reason we lost to Everton when the entire team played like shite? Also fine, I assume.
This place sometimes is as bad as twitter. Why are you explaining to me how shit Olsen is when I've already said clearly how I think he's shit? It's like some of you decide you want to make a point and don't actually care what it is you're replying to.
Would you like a tissue?
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I think your swinging punches in an empty room here mate.
Olsen is shit, when he plays he makes us shitter, he’s not to blame for all the worlds ills, but he plainly makes us a worse side and bringing up games where we’ve lost with him not in the side is largely irrelevant and ignores virtually every game where he has played and been a nervous wreck and liability.
So bringing up games we've lost without him in the side is irrelevant, but bringing him up as the only reason we won a game he didn't play in, is what? Perfectly logical? Good to know.
And bringing him up as the sole reason we lost to Everton when the entire team played like shite? Also fine, I assume.
This place sometimes is as bad as twitter. Why are you explaining to me how shit Olsen is when I've already said clearly how I think he's shit? It's like some of you decide you want to make a point and don't actually care what it is you're replying to.
You brought the idea up that in the Everton defeat you thought our team was stronger than the Warsaw defeat. Others has disagreed with you citing Olsen and the reasons why Olsen makes us worse. Its not relevant to reference games we’ve lost with Martinez in goals because i wouldn’t say those defeats in anyway relate to anything Martinez has specifically done wrong. The Everton defeat, most players didn’t play well, but there were fundamental mistakes from Olsen that led to their opening goal. We could go through every game he’s played for us and cite similar mistakes, with the exception of Spurs away on new years day, when we limited them to maybe one chance, so he didn’t have anything to do. Some he’s got away with, some he hasn’t, but he completely changes the outlook of the team when he plays.
As I said swinging in an empty room. People have provided counter points to what you have said, about one of the worst goalkeepers in my living memory and you don’t like it, you’ve picked a strange hill and all that.
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I think your swinging punches in an empty room here mate.
Olsen is shit, when he plays he makes us shitter, he’s not to blame for all the worlds ills, but he plainly makes us a worse side and bringing up games where we’ve lost with him not in the side is largely irrelevant and ignores virtually every game where he has played and been a nervous wreck and liability.
So bringing up games we've lost without him in the side is irrelevant, but bringing him up as the only reason we won a game he didn't play in, is what? Perfectly logical? Good to know.
And bringing him up as the sole reason we lost to Everton when the entire team played like shite? Also fine, I assume.
This place sometimes is as bad as twitter. Why are you explaining to me how shit Olsen is when I've already said clearly how I think he's shit? It's like some of you decide you want to make a point and don't actually care what it is you're replying to.
Would you like a tissue?
"I've used up all my tissues
Coz there's more serious of issues"
Betty Boo said that. Not sure if she was kidding around. She probably was.
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When you have the best goalkeeper in the world, whoever the replacement is, they are going to reduce the quality of the team. Fact.
Any other top goalie worth his salt, is not going to be happy sitting on the bench. Fact.
Our manager is not an idiot. Fact.
We need to stop constantly moaning about Olsen and support him the best we can instead of denting his confidence even further.
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When you have the best goalkeeper in the world, whoever the replacement is, they are going to reduce the quality of the team. Fact.
Any other top goalie worth his salt, is not going to be happy sitting on the bench. Fact.
Our manager is not an idiot. Fact.
We need to stop constantly moaning about Olsen and support him the best we can instead of denting his confidence even further.
I doubt he’s reading this thread.
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When you have the best goalkeeper in the world, whoever the replacement is, they are going to reduce the quality of the team. Fact.
Any other top goalie worth his salt, is not going to be happy sitting on the bench. Fact.
Our manager is not an idiot. Fact.
We need to stop constantly moaning about Olsen and support him the best we can instead of denting his confidence even further.
The problem is that you're missing 1 other massive fact here, how we play means the keeper is our final 'out' ball for defenders to pass to and let him restart play appropriately, sometimes playing short back in the other direction, sometimes knowing it just needs to go long. Even if Olsen was a world class shot stopper he isn't comfortable with his feet which means he can't fulfil a key part of the role. No amount of getting behind him and supporting him will change that. I don't think he's anything like as bad as some people suggest and I agree the drop off in quality is significant but unavoidable, however the difference in style is the biggest problem and is why we do need to replace him at some point soon.
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When you have the best goalkeeper in the world, whoever the replacement is, they are going to reduce the quality of the team. Fact.
Any other top goalie worth his salt, is not going to be happy sitting on the bench. Fact.
Our manager is not an idiot. Fact.
We need to stop constantly moaning about Olsen and support him the best we can instead of denting his confidence even further.
I doubt he’s reading this thread.
Why not? I wouldn't be surprised if most players followed their own teams message boards.
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When you have the best goalkeeper in the world, whoever the replacement is, they are going to reduce the quality of the team. Fact.
Any other top goalie worth his salt, is not going to be happy sitting on the bench. Fact.
Our manager is not an idiot. Fact.
We need to stop constantly moaning about Olsen and support him the best we can instead of denting his confidence even further.
The problem is that you're missing 1 other massive fact here, how we play means the keeper is our final 'out' ball for defenders to pass to and let him restart play appropriately, sometimes playing short back in the other direction, sometimes knowing it just needs to go long. Even if Olsen was a world class shot stopper he isn't comfortable with his feet which means he can't fulfil a key part of the role. No amount of getting behind him and supporting him will change that. I don't think he's anything like as bad as some people suggest and I agree the drop off in quality is significant but unavoidable, however the difference in style is the biggest problem and is why we do need to replace him at some point soon.
Taking your point, Paul, suggests to me that - rather than Olsen - we'd be better off playing one of the younger, less-experienced keepers on our books; one who can play football as well as keep net.
Makes sense to me.
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When you have the best goalkeeper in the world, whoever the replacement is, they are going to reduce the quality of the team. Fact.
Any other top goalie worth his salt, is not going to be happy sitting on the bench. Fact.
Our manager is not an idiot. Fact.
We need to stop constantly moaning about Olsen and support him the best we can instead of denting his confidence even further.
The problem is that you're missing 1 other massive fact here, how we play means the keeper is our final 'out' ball for defenders to pass to and let him restart play appropriately, sometimes playing short back in the other direction, sometimes knowing it just needs to go long. Even if Olsen was a world class shot stopper he isn't comfortable with his feet which means he can't fulfil a key part of the role. No amount of getting behind him and supporting him will change that. I don't think he's anything like as bad as some people suggest and I agree the drop off in quality is significant but unavoidable, however the difference in style is the biggest problem and is why we do need to replace him at some point soon.
A very good point.
But the current crop of goalkeepers have grown up 'between the sticks' because they are better with their hands than their feet. Playing out from the back is a relatively new concept.
Yes, we should be looking for a perfect number two but they are extremely thin on the ground. Most teams can't even find a perfect number one despite spending mega millions.
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When you have the best goalkeeper in the world, whoever the replacement is, they are going to reduce the quality of the team. Fact.
Any other top goalie worth his salt, is not going to be happy sitting on the bench. Fact.
Our manager is not an idiot. Fact.
We need to stop constantly moaning about Olsen and support him the best we can instead of denting his confidence even further.
The problem is that you're missing 1 other massive fact here, how we play means the keeper is our final 'out' ball for defenders to pass to and let him restart play appropriately, sometimes playing short back in the other direction, sometimes knowing it just needs to go long. Even if Olsen was a world class shot stopper he isn't comfortable with his feet which means he can't fulfil a key part of the role. No amount of getting behind him and supporting him will change that. I don't think he's anything like as bad as some people suggest and I agree the drop off in quality is significant but unavoidable, however the difference in style is the biggest problem and is why we do need to replace him at some point soon.
Taking your point, Paul, suggests to me that - rather than Olsen - we'd be better off playing one of the younger, less-experienced keepers on our books; one who can play football as well as keep net.
Makes sense to me.
This is a good point. The way the game has developed, i doubt there are many young keepers at top clubs who aren’t being trained to pass it out, your starting to see it at my sons football on a Sunday and he plays in an under 14s league.
However, although Paul is correct in his analysis, without wanting to sound Churlish, im not convinced he’s an overly decent shot stopper.
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When you have the best goalkeeper in the world, whoever the replacement is, they are going to reduce the quality of the team. Fact.
Any other top goalie worth his salt, is not going to be happy sitting on the bench. Fact.
Our manager is not an idiot. Fact.
We need to stop constantly moaning about Olsen and support him the best we can instead of denting his confidence even further.
You’re not gonna stop me moaning
He’s not good enough and more often than not costs is when he plays
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Plus everyone outside of here thinks Villatalk is our only messageboard.
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It’s time this thread went back to discussing the Nottingham Forest match.
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Hopefully martinez gets a rest at the weekend
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Just rung the club on the off chance and got two returns for this.
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We need to be getting the best early twenties goalkeeper that we can, who appreciates the idea of being understudy to probably the worlds best keeper and learning from him with the prospect of becoming our number one over time. We could throw said player in for some experience here and there and the aim would be for that player to be a more reliable option than Olsen even as a relative youngster. And it needs to be someone good with their feet that can play the Emery way. At the moment we have an experienced keeper who is a liability when called upon and offers nothing for the future either. It's nothing personal against Olsen, he's just no where near good enough for where we are, even as a number 2.
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Just rung the club on the off chance and got two returns for this.
any joy
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Where will people be congregating before the match? I live fairly local so could go anywhere in town really and walk down but as it’s my first away in ages I’d like to go where most of the away fans are.
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Forest have a lot of injuries, particularly to their strikers. I think we'll beat them 3-1.
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Awoniyi should be back, he was on the bench last week so expect him to start . Origi and Wood are out
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Chris Sutton predicts 2-0 win for us. He also says...
" I remember that Stephen Warnock backed Villa to make the top four at the start of the season and in all honesty I was thinking that was a stretch, but it isn't looking such a bad shout now."
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Top 5 definitely possible.
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Chris Sutton predicts 2-0 win for us. He also says...
" I remember that Stephen Warnock backed Villa to make the top four at the start of the season and in all honesty I was thinking that was a stretch, but it isn't looking such a bad shout now."
Did Chris Sutton play for us once I can’t remember
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Chris Sutton predicts 2-0 win for us. He also says...
" I remember that Stephen Warnock backed Villa to make the top four at the start of the season and in all honesty I was thinking that was a stretch, but it isn't looking such a bad shout now."
Did Chris Sutton play for us once I can’t remember
Not once, 9 times.
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Think he only scored once though, against Everton.
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Chris Sutton predicts 2-0 win for us. He also says...
" I remember that Stephen Warnock backed Villa to make the top four at the start of the season and in all honesty I was thinking that was a stretch, but it isn't looking such a bad shout now."
Did Chris Sutton play for us once I can’t remember
Converted CB . Did well
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I remember Goodison 2006/07. His signing was a H&V Day by day classic along the lines of "Sutton goes from useless nag to old pro who can do a job with one signature"
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Sutton scored for them in the 05/06 derby. That was a febrile atmosphere if ever there was one. Great days, in a way.
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Think he only scored once though, against Everton.
From a lovely ball floated in by another Villa legend - Isaiah Osbourne.
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Think he only scored once though, against Everton.
From a lovely ball floated in by another Villa legend - Isaiah Osbourne.
Proper. Was at old Trafford the game he got MOTM
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Strange player Isaiah Osbourne.Was he a genuine talent? If so, to what level? And what went wrong? One of those mysteries.
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Strange player Isaiah Osbourne.Was he a genuine talent? If so, to what level? And what went wrong? One of those mysteries.
No idea what happened but he just slipped down the ranks , lack of talent or wasn't properly coached or a bit of both ? Good players rise to the surface one way or another usually and he didn't so
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Strange player Isaiah Osbourne.Was he a genuine talent? If so, to what level? And what went wrong? One of those mysteries.
No idea what happened but he just slipped down the ranks , lack of talent or wasn't properly coached or a bit of both ? Good players rise to the surface one way or another usually and he didn't so
He played a few games for a Premier League club, wasn't good enough and went on to have a successful career in the lower leagues. it happens and I'm sure most of us would have been happy with it.
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Strange player Isaiah Osbourne.Was he a genuine talent? If so, to what level? And what went wrong? One of those mysteries.
No idea what happened but he just slipped down the ranks , lack of talent or wasn't properly coached or a bit of both ? Good players rise to the surface one way or another usually and he didn't so
He played a few games for a Premier League club, wasn't good enough and went on to have a successful career in the lower leagues. it happens and I'm sure most of us would have been happy with it.
Oh definitely beats an office job. Walked out of old Trafford though thinking we had a new star talent come through , just didn't materialise sadly . Same era as the Moore brothers
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Carl Tiler, Franz Carr, Ricardo Scimeca and Henri Lansbury are in the squad for us
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Collymore has been dropped
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Strange player Isaiah Osbourne.Was he a genuine talent? If so, to what level? And what went wrong? One of those mysteries.
I remember a game I think vs. Everton and he was the stand out player to me. Never heard from him again.
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Strange player Isaiah Osbourne.Was he a genuine talent? If so, to what level? And what went wrong? One of those mysteries.
I remember a game I think vs. Everton and he was the stand out player to me. Never heard from him again.
went to walsall at one point, just checked and last club he's linked to is Nuneaton Borough , not sure if he's still there
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He was at Hibs for a while.
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Strange player Isaiah Osbourne.Was he a genuine talent? If so, to what level? And what went wrong? One of those mysteries.
I remember a game I think vs. Everton and he was the stand out player to me. Never heard from him again.
went to walsall at one point, just checked and last club he's linked to is Nuneaton Borough , not sure if he's still there
I saw him play against Stratford Town for Nuneaton last season . One of those I recognise you from somewhere
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Carl Tiler, Franz Carr, Ricardo Scimeca and Henri Lansbury are in the squad for us
Any news on Gary Charles?
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The back seat of his car could do with a clean.
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Forest fans seem to think they're giving a debut to Odysseas Vlachodimos in goal.
Been really good for Benfica for years now, but it's not rare for keepers coming in for their first Premier League game to have a bit of a nightmare. Could be a bit of an Achilles' heel.
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Let's use a high press then to see how good he is at playing out from the back.
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Forest fans seem to think they're giving a debut to Odysseas Vlachodimos in goal.
Tease him, tease him, tease him, Diaby
'Till he lose control...
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Moussa, he's like burning fire in the hole,
Behind Watkins who has improved control....
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Urgh. I was hoping for Greek mythology puns, not 90's reggae.
I'm out.
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I hope the referee's not a Homer.
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Forest fans seem to think they're giving a debut to Odysseas Vlachodimos in goal.
Tease him, tease him, tease him, Diaby
'Till he lose control...
Or...
Pullin' on his boots, Moussa's going to shoot, yeah.
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Is Billy Walker still the manager at Forest?
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Urgh. I was hoping for Greek mythology puns, not 90's reggae.
I'm out.
It's murder he wrote.
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Zaniolo will score Sunday i can sense it
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Zaniolo will score Sunday i can sense it
Everybody keeps saying that. Hopefully they'll be right one day.
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Zaniolo will score Sunday i can sense it
Everybody keeps saying that. Hopefully they'll be right one day.
He really should have had at least one last Sunday
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When you have the best goalkeeper in the world, whoever the replacement is, they are going to reduce the quality of the team. Fact.
Any other top goalie worth his salt, is not going to be happy sitting on the bench. Fact.
Our manager is not an idiot. Fact.
We need to stop constantly moaning about Olsen and support him the best we can instead of denting his confidence even further.
I doubt he’s reading this thread.
Why not? I wouldn't be surprised if most players followed their own teams message boards.
Robin Olsen, Robin Olsen
Riding through the glen
Robin Olsen, Robin Olsen
With his band of men
Feared by the bad, loved by the good
Robin Olsen, Robin Olsen, Robin Olsen
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Zaniolo will score Sunday i can sense it
Everybody keeps saying that. Hopefully they'll be right one day.
He really should have had at least one last Sunday
still not sure how he missed that volley
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It would've been a stunning finish if it had been a few inches to the right, I suspect he was trying to put it right into a the top corner after seeing a few stunning saves of ones that weren't quite so precise.
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Emery on Moreno...
"He is progressively getting better and is training with the team, not competitively, but he is close to being available to play and maybe can be available on Sunday."
Don't think he'll play Sunday, but we might see him before the International break.
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Tough game but we’ll come through it 2-1.
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Zaniolo will score Sunday i can sense it
Everybody keeps saying that. Hopefully they'll be right one day.
He really should have had at least one last Sunday
still not sure how he missed that volley
I thoughthat at the time but, after seeing it again on TV afterwards, why did Watkins tee it up in the air for him? Just knock it back on the floor and it's a much easier finish.
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Zaniolo will score Sunday i can sense it
Everybody keeps saying that. Hopefully they'll be right one day.
He really should have had at least one last Sunday
still not sure how he missed that volley
I thoughthat at the time but, after seeing it again on TV afterwards, why did Watkins tee it up in the air for him? Just knock it back on the floor and it's a much easier finish.
If it had gone in, it would of been Brazil world cup 82 in its pure brilliance and a thing of beauty. Zaniola was very unlucky in my view and i actually thought the tee up by Ollie was shexy futboI, really dont think it was a sitter, it was just great technique and missed by not very much.
Zanioloa is also doing a bit of an unsung hero role at the moment, being disciplined in his positioning and pressurising the opponents in the press. He will absolutely smash one in soon and i will be disappointed if he doesn’t go all Tardelli when he does.
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Emery on Moreno...
"He is progressively getting better and is training with the team, not competitively, but he is close to being available to play and maybe can be available on Sunday."
Don't think he'll play Sunday, but we might see him before the International break.
Hopefully on the bench.
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I’ve a lot of respect for Nottingham Forest as a football club, however I fully expect us to cut down the tricky trees and fuck them off into oblivion.
0-3 AVFC
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20 wings at Hooters then 3 points will do me nicely
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Sorry, need a bit of advice.
:-[ :-[
Just looked for my ticket for the game, its not arrived.
According to my history, the ticket hasn't been printed.
Are some tickets, electronic for this game. If so, can't see a link to download it.
Ticket office is closed now. :( :(
Thanks
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Was too busy with maniacs in the garden with knifes and a police armed response unit, this week to check on the tickets.
Be glad when this weeks over.
Have a great day, those that are going.
:) :) :)
Thanks
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Win tomorrow and we go 4th 8)
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Was too busy with maniacs in the garden with knifes and a police armed response unit, this week to check on the tickets.
Be glad when this weeks over.
Have a great day, those that are going.
:) :) :)
Thanks
Bloody 'ell...hope we win for you, mate.
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I think we go 3rd tomorrow if we win.
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I think we go 3rd tomorrow if we win.
We will need to win and Liverpool not to win at Luton for that to happen.
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We go 3rd with a win. Even for a few hours.
Hard one this as Forest have played decent enough with little return and are good at home. We still concede sloppy goals but that comes with the territory and benefits outweigh disbenefits massively.
2.2
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I think this one is really tricky. We’ll need to be at our best.
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I sort of feel like when we were rubbish now, only in reverse, about games. This feels incredibly important if we're to finish top 5.
Away at a bottom 5 side with an opportunity to maintain the gap to 6th and get ahead of some of our top 5 compatriots.
Their home form is poor, hence their league position. Draws with Luton, Brentford and Burnley in their last 3 games. Conceding and obviously scoring 4 in the process. Their only win at home being an 89th minute Wood goal against Sheffield United back in August. No win generally since 2nd September away at mid-table and in flux Chelsea.
We are the only top 5 outfit they've played at home, while they've been comfortably beaten by any top 8 side away; Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Man United.
In their last 3 home games they've managed 13 shots on target and average less than 50% of the ball.
Our last 3 league away games have the poorest performance of the season in Liverpool, then a comfortable win at Chelsea and a game we dropped 2 points in at Wolves. In-between we have an experimental side at Legia and one that annihilated AZ.
So we're not infallible away, but we are much improved from that Liverpool defeat and our form generally is reflected by us being 5th and them 5th bottom.
Should win, have to win, must win. These are the pressure games and I think "tough" place to go isn't really reflected by the evidence. Yes they've not lost, but they've scraped draws against rubbish.
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
Bailey
Luiz
Kamara
McGinn
Diaby
Watkins
I'm putting pressure on us to go and win and win well. 2nd highest scorers on the league. Let's add 2 or 3 more. But however we do it, just win today.
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I've got a feeling that Tielemans comes in for Zaniolo today. Bailey is much better at home.
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Agree with Ads. It gets clearer every week that the top 6 or 7 teams are going to keep on winning against the rest of the league, and the games between that group will determine the order of that top 6 or 7 at the end of the season. It's the most interesting season for ages in terms of how many good sides are competing. Let's not be the ones who blink first.
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I also agree with Ads, Forest's record is pretty woeful this season, ours is pretty great so we really should be winning this.
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Forest’s form is poor but I think they’ve been performing below their level. It won’t be straightforward and we’re going to need to be right at it.
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They finished 5th bottom last year and have lost one of their best players in the summer. This is their level. Our aspirations are clear. The manager, token and reserved as the interviews might be, makes clear the aim: to demand more, to impose our style and constantly look to improve. He might be trying to say as little as possible each time, but he's sincere.
We have to go and win here today. The oxygen is thinner the higher up the mountain, so the room for error decreases. We don't want to look back in May at games against the bottom 6 and think "what if". That's old Villa, not Emery Villa.
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It might be similar game to the Luton one although Forest will probably be a bit more adventurous seeing as they're at home. As long as no complacency sets in and we put our chances away, we should win.
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Great opportunity to go third. I don't think we will pass it up.
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It might be similar game to the Luton one although Forest will probably be a bit more adventurous seeing as they're at home. As long as no complacency sets in and we put our chances away, we should win.
Good, it feels at the minute like the more you come at us, the more we'll hurt you.
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I agree with all/most of the comments on the last couple of pages
if this is where we are now in and around the top 5/6 these are the sort of games that with our superior squad, ambition and the best manager we’ve had in decades we should be coming out on top in
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I agree with all/most of the comments on the last couple of pages
if this is where we are now in and around the top 5/6 these are the sort of games that with our superior squad, ambition and the best manager we’ve had in decades we should be coming out on top in
Absolutely. Generally, our away form is nowhere near as good as our home form, and we need to put that right at shit teams beneath us. We did at Chelsea, we should at Forest.
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Great opportunity to go third. I don't think we will pass it up.
A win will see us in the CL places at the end of this round of games in any case
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Come on me babbies
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Our away form is OK, two wins, a draw and defeats only at Newcastle and Liverpool. Last season, Man Utd made the top 4 quite comfortably whilst winning a total of one point away from home against teams that finished in the top 9. I think a 2-1 win today.
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usual line-up