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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2023, 10:00:48 PM
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Job done,
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Right onto the draw.
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Jesus I was sweating at the end.
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Job done, nobody injured, couple of kids got a decent run out. All in all a good evening.
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Job done, liked how the fringe players slotted in seamlessly and everybody knew their job. Young Kellyman looks like a star in the making.
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No stress, nice rendition of Sunshine on Leith, hope the Hibees have a safe trip home.
Really looking forward to what tomorrow's draw brings.
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Jog done, liked how the fringe players slotted in seamlessly and everybody knew their job. Young Kellyman looks like a star in the making.
Hibs running on empty.
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Good…solid, keep the progression you lovely Villa boys
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Well done - looking forward to seeing villa play more European games!
Pleasantly surprised by the quality of production on Villa TV - having only just got over my migraine from the villarreal friendly.
Lovely evening thanks all
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Kellyman may have just played himself into the first team picture! I wouldn't be surprised to see him start a few games by the end of the season if he keeps that level of performance up.
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Good team selection. Good subs.
Job done.
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I didn't see it, but I enjoyed seeing Duran's goal on Twitter. I have a feeling he's got something about him, and I also have a feeling he's going to join the long list of our current players I have a platonic boner for.
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Good team selection. Good subs.
Job done.
Agreed - but Olsen will be destroyed by a good PL team.
And cost us at least one or two goals.
Let’s hope Emi is back.
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Job done, liked how the fringe players slotted in seamlessly and everybody knew their job. Young Kellyman looks like a star in the making.
I had him down as in with a good shout for man of the match, looked far better than you'd expect from a 17year.
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Let's keep it as the quietest post-match thread ever. No need for more than one page...
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Are there links to highlights anyway?
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A job jobbed, clean sheet and Bailey, Cash both on 3 goals for the season. Good stuff Villa.
Please ask Unai about other potential incoming business when interviewed!!
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Good stuff, comfortable.
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Let's keep it as the quietest post-match thread ever. No need for more than one page...
Bugger…2 pages
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I give tonight a swerve for various reasons so did something I have never done before. Watched one of our games on the telly, lying on the sofa rather than pacing around the room, shouting at the TV, looking out of the window and siting in a certain position because we scored when I sat like that earlier in the game.
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Watched on the much maligned VillaTV and the quality was bob on.
For a dead rubber I thought it was a decent game. I was impressed with Kellyman and Revan who did not look out of place at all.
Olsen played well and made a few decent saves, it's good to see him gain confidence as there will be times where we need him like it or not. It's a long season and Martinez will be off for International matches at times.
The ball from Torres for Durans goal was top notch, and you can see why Emery pushed to bring him in. The Lenglet move makes sense as he has similar passing range and he will make for good cover.
I think we will top whatever group we end up in, and it will good to have opportunities this season for the likes of Kellyman to gain experience.
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When is the draw?
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I'm almost afraid to ask this but how did Tielemans get on? That's the most he's played for us so far.
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What was tonight’s attendance?
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When is the draw?
Tomorrow at 1pm.
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What was tonight’s attendance?
39467 I think.
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I'm almost afraid to ask this but how did Tielemans get on? That's the most he's played for us so far.
He was solid, was all a bit too easy for us to hold onto the ball for long spells so hard to judge.
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Revan and Kellyman both very promising and Duran stuck his goal away really well.
As easy a game as we’ll ever have in any competition this season.
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Job done. Fair play to the Hibs fans. That's the way to support your team, even when they are getting battered.
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The Duran goal was excellent. Anticipated the pass, bullied his way between two meaty defenders and put it away.
I don’t care that it is Hibs, he’s only a young lad.
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Considering the score before it started, it wasn't a bad game and we won comfortably, but it was difficult to make any real judgment.
However, their fans did a great support job tonight as they barely stopped all game, and it was only our fans leaving early!
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My god...that pass from Torres for Durans goal...absolutely world class
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A lot of the narrative is about the financial discrepancy between the teams but we never get that as an excuse when we play city do we? I notice the Scottish teams have lost to the Dutch, Swedish and Greeks - what’s the excuse against them I wonder?
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The Duran goal was excellent. Anticipated the pass, bullied his way between two meaty defenders and put it away.
I don’t care that it is Hibs, he’s only a young lad.
Good run and pass but no way their keeper should have gone walkabout like that. How did Duran do in general? Alan McNally suggesting that a lot more still in Tielemans post game.
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Had the feel of a bit of a non-event about it tonight and that was reflected on the pitch in periods. Thought when we upped the pace they couldn't contain us. Don't want to appear too mean spirited, but I thought Olsen had his obligatory lapses and the two young lads (understandably) didn't look at the level of the others. It was a shame Zaniolo couldn't play, as it would have been good to see him get some time. Hibs were desperately poor again and as the bloke in front of me said "How bad must have that Swiss team been in the round before to lose to these".
All in all though, great to be back at Villa Park on a European night, though it did feel a bit weird on a Thursday night (heard some Hibs fans chanting outside before the fans "Watching Hibs on a Thursday night, Johnson's gone cos he's f@cking sh£te" which I thought was quite good).
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8-0 is our record European aggregate score I think beating the 7-0 against Valur in 1981.
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My god...that pass from Torres for Durans goal...absolutely world class
I said to my Son, he's going to be worth 10 goals a season with his passing.
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Purely from an off the field perspective, I thought the Hibs fans were magnificent, one of the best away followings I’ve ever seen at VP.
As for ours, well, the mass exodus on 30 minutes continues, regardless of what happens on the pitch. The guy behind us said ‘28 minutes, time for a beer”. The couple in front went on 35, came back sometime in the second half and went on 75.
If we want to make VP a fortress, we’ve got a long way to go, and I don’t mean the ones trying to sing, I’m more concerned with the thousands disappearing because the need for a drink outweighs whatever is happening in the pitch.
On the pitch, Unai just continues to get it all so right. Can’t wait for the draw tomorrow.
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A lot of the narrative is about the financial discrepancy between the teams but we never get that as an excuse when we play city do we? I notice the Scottish teams have lost to the Dutch, Swedish and Greeks - what’s the excuse against them I wonder?
How magnanimous of you.
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The Duran goal was excellent. Anticipated the pass, bullied his way between two meaty defenders and put it away.
I don’t care that it is Hibs, he’s only a young lad.
Good run and pass but no way their keeper should have gone walkabout like that. How did Duran do in general? Alan McNally suggesting that a lot more still in Tielemans post game.
He did OK. Took his goal well and held the ball up well a few times, but wasn't too involved for periods of the game. Tielemans was playing in a bit of a more advanced role in the first half tonight and it didn't really suit him
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Purely from an off the field perspective, I thought the Hibs fans were magnificent, one of the best away followings I’ve ever seen at VP.
As for ours, well, the mass exodus on 30 minutes continues, regardless of what happens on the pitch. The guy behind us said ‘28 minutes, time for a beer”. The couple in front went on 35, came back sometime in the second half and went on 75.
If we want to make VP a fortress, we’ve got a long way to go, and I don’t mean the ones trying to sing, I’m more concerned with the thousands disappearing because the need for a drink outweighs whatever is happening in the pitch.
On the pitch, Unai just continues to get it all so right. Can’t wait for the draw tomorrow.
Always found this odd, but it's the British mentality.
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My god...that pass from Torres for Durans goal...absolutely world class
I said to my Son, he's going to be worth 10 goals a season with his passing.
I was looking at the top scoring /assisting players this season in the team and the BBC had this stat for Torres
Pau Torres
Assists 1
Matches Played 5
Total Passes 333
Completed passes 306
Incomplete passes 27
Accuracy 92%
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Yes but can he do it on a rainy night night in November at Stoke?
Oh ok we don’t have to play them…ever again😂
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I dunno, we were 8-0 against effective League 2 levels of opposition. You need a bit of jeopardy or failing that a dash of spice or needle; the token Nose added a smidge, but beyond that it was the strolliest of strolls we might ever come across.
Hibs fans were pretty silent for most of the 2nd half, until the last 5 or 10 when they did a very nice rendition of Sunshine on Leith and got very excited at the prospect of £2 cans of Red Stripe in non-sticky floor Snobs.
I like the look of Duran, a right unit already at 19, same as Kellyman. It's hard to read much into a side you feel like your five a side lot wouldn't necessarily look out of place having a go at. So much time and space. They had a little go mind, tried to lay a glove (which was more than last Wednesday's canter) but only seemed to get close enough to hack one of us down.
Looking forward to the draw tomorrow; 8-0 doesn't get anymore professional than that. 9 would be hubris.
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As for making Villa Park a fortress.
Since Arsenal in February it's;
P:9
W:9
F:22
A:2
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Absolute piece of piss. Four comfortable wins since the opening day and to use a well worn cliche, you can only brat what's in front of you.
Bit of an odd atmosphere with the game wrapped up. Goals definitely not celebrated as much as league games. Maybe this is what it's like to be a Citeh fan? Bottom line is, I've seen us look hopeless enough times over the years that I'll take us doling out a "dull" thrashing.
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Have we ever played a worse team?
180 minutes and they barely put a tackle in.
That’s not just down to the financial disparity.
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I think it's a credit to them that they didn't resort to kicking us all over the pitch. I do worry that we are so far ahead of most sides we'll play in the group that one side will resort to it.
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As for making Villa Park a fortress.
Since Arsenal in February it's;
P:9
W:9
F:22
A:2
Yup. Both Spurs and Brighton scored when we were 2-0 up, so just about tolerable. I do love it when away fans have nothing to celebrate. Supremacy prevails.
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What was tonight’s attendance?
39467 I think.
Disgraceful, and to think we are increasing the capacity, totally not needed.
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As for making Villa Park a fortress.
Since Arsenal in February it's;
P:9
W:9
F:22
A:2
Beautiful stuff.
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A thoroughly professional job again, managed the tie pretty perfectly.
Duran has a bit of chaos about him, I like it.
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What was tonight’s attendance?
39467 I think.
Disgraceful, and to think we are increasing the capacity, totally not needed.
We should be ripping out more seats and extending the terrace view.
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Good to be back under the lights, as others have said a stroll largely, so hard to judge, but kellyman and, Revan did well and Duran took his goal well. I thought their keeper was poor for Durans goal and at fault for Cashs but made two good saves later on. Wish Dougie had gone off for a rest a bit earlier, he’s so important to us now.
Really liked the Hibs Sunshine on Leith rendition, good on them.
We march on.
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Sounded like an easy win. Good to see a couple of the kids get a run out as well.
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Great finish by Duran. I thought Tielemans was poor, and I don't care what anyone says, Olsen is not good enough to be our number 2. Dropped one in the first couple of mins but luckily Konsa cleared, almost tripped over his own feet and kicked one in, caught in no man's land a couple of times bailed out by a magnificent Cash slide tackle.
There's always going to be a drop in quality between your first and second choice, but not to this extent. Made a couple of decent saves tbf, but saves a keeper should be making. If he's our cup keeper then we're not winning anything. Still, all's well that ends well.
Other than that it was a piece of piss and thoroughly professional which is nice to say. I thought their fans were good.
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Good result I liked the youngsters who played they did well good team performance.
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As for making Villa Park a fortress.
Since Arsenal in February it's;
P:9
W:9
F:22
A:2
I thought this leaving the ground last night. We’ve won every home game for 6 months.
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Would be interesting to see the stats for Ezri Konsa.
His name seemed to be mentioned a thousand times on VTV
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Would be interesting to see the stats for Ezri Konsa.
His name seemed to be mentioned a thousand times on VTV
Konsa has really improved on the ball. Even dribbling past players v Burnley. He's looking like a real bargain at the £12m we paid for him.
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Run of the mill win. Actually felt bad for Hibs such is the disparity between the English and Scottish football nowadays. I was hoping for a more noisy villa park but I guess that was down to it being a dead rubber after the 5-0 victory in the first leg. Hibs fans were brilliant though but for them it was a case of "fuck it let's just enjoy ourselves" so fair play to them. I really hope Emi is back Sunday because Olsen is nowhere near the standard required if we are going to win things.
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As for making Villa Park a fortress.
Since Arsenal in February it's;
P:9
W:9
F:22
A:2
I thought this leaving the ground last night. We’ve won every home game for 6 months.
Such a fantastic run.
The only visitors to get anything positive from Villa Park recently are probably Bruce Springsteen and the E Sreet band and Pink.
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I have posted before that there was a time when Scottish footballers were the backbone of English clubs. These players were by and large established pro's and would usually fit right in.
As I see it, in today's modern game the influx of players from different countries* has seen very few transfers of mature players coming from Scotland and I think this is part of the demise of Scottish football.
The players nowadays coming down are, in the main youth team prospects ( see Villa, Aston) and with the hoovering up of young Scottish talent it leaves little or no room for development of their own infrastructure.
This all might seem a little simplistic and not a little romantic even but for all the criticism and laughter it gets, Scottish football has stood the test if time and is still here. Long may it continue.
Just my ramblings.
*I have no objections to players from any other countries plying their trade in Britain.
** I have no affinity to Scotland at all, I just think it gets a bad press it doesn't really deserve, two clubs notwithstanding.
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Re the Hibs fans. As ever, all the comments about booking tickets in the home end turned out to be bollocks. They didn't even sell out their allocation.
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Re the Hibs fans. As ever, all the comments about booking tickets in the home end turned out to be bollocks. They didn't even sell out their allocation.
Or they did and some just didn't fancy the trip for a dead rubber.
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Re the Hibs fans. As ever, all the comments about booking tickets in the home end turned out to be bollocks. They didn't even sell out their allocation.
They definitely did buy tickets in the home end. The club said as much and cancelled them.
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4 straight wins since Newcastle.
Can't ask for much more regardless of opposition standards
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Re the Hibs fans. As ever, all the comments about booking tickets in the home end turned out to be bollocks. They didn't even sell out their allocation.
Or they did and some just didn't fancy the trip for a dead rubber.
Especially with a train strike the next day as well.
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We only gave them 2100 - which one of the reason for only having 39000 there - also most of the boxes in the Witton Land stand were empty as was the corner box between the Trinity and the Holte, again probably another few hundred seats.
There were fans at the ticket office trying to get refunds pre-match though.
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I stand corrected on various points related to my comments re Hibs fans!
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Great to see Kellyman get a start & an assist.
Once he fills put a bit, he could challenge for a spot in the Prem.
Was hoping for a few more youngsters near the end of the game, but cant complain too much.
Onto the next...
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Comfortable win and some valuable game time for fringe members of the squad, Hibs fans were in fine voice where I think Villa fans were quiet due to being comfortably ahead.
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Great finish by Duran. I thought Tielemans was poor, and I don't care what anyone says, Olsen is not good enough to be our number 2. Dropped one in the first couple of mins but luckily Konsa cleared, almost tripped over his own feet and kicked one in, caught in no man's land a couple of times bailed out by a magnificent Cash slide tackle.
There's always going to be a drop in quality between your first and second choice, but not to this extent. Made a couple of decent saves tbf, but saves a keeper should be making. If he's our cup keeper then we're not winning anything. Still, all's well that ends well.
Other than that it was a piece of piss and thoroughly professional which is nice to say. I thought their fans were good.
Considering the opposition I don’t think Tielemams did enough to impress Emery and push for a start in the league. Maybe he was trying too hard but his first touch at times, was off. Olsen made a couple of decent saves but his handling doesn’t give the defence confidence and he nearly let that back pass go under his foot. Maybe he’ll grow the more he plays but he’s not going anywhere so we’ll have to back him when he plays.
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I agree Paul, Tielemans needs to be doing a bit more as things stand.
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I was actually surprised his name was barely mentioned in the thread. He had some good pre-season games as well and now seems to have hidden.
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I was actually surprised his name was barely mentioned in the thread. He had some good pre-season games as well and now seems to have hidden.
He spent all season hiding in the relegated Leicester team. His mentality has been weakened through that. Let's see if Emery can turn him around.
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Last night on Teletext, Villa beating Hibs and progressing was included in the 'News Main Headlines'. Bloody BBC and their anti-Villa 'agenda'.
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Last night on Teletext, Villa beating Hibs and progressing was included in the 'News Main Headlines'. Bloody BBC and their anti-Villa 'agenda'.
Slow day, drop the dead donkey sort of stuff ;D
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I note I now need to pay to watch the ten minute highlights reel.
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Good to see some of our talented youngsters get a full 90 minutes but amongst the positives there were some concerns. Bailey was his usual largely ineffective, anonymous self and Kamara is one of the last people I want to see in possession of the football just in front of our back line when the opposition are pressing.
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I agree Paul, Tielemans needs to be doing a bit more as things stand.
I actually thought he looked a little "Heavy" and certainly was the slowest of all our midfielders
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I'm hoping it's just a period of adjustment from Tielemans...
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Tielemans on Teletext
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Good to see some of our talented youngsters get a full 90 minutes but amongst the positives there were some concerns. Bailey was his usual largely ineffective, anonymous self and Kamara is one of the last people I want to see in possession of the football just in front of our back line when the opposition are pressing.
Glad some positives from it. I think your assessment of Kamara is largely incorrect.
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Great finish by Duran. I thought Tielemans was poor, and I don't care what anyone says, Olsen is not good enough to be our number 2. Dropped one in the first couple of mins but luckily Konsa cleared, almost tripped over his own feet and kicked one in, caught in no man's land a couple of times bailed out by a magnificent Cash slide tackle.
There's always going to be a drop in quality between your first and second choice, but not to this extent. Made a couple of decent saves tbf, but saves a keeper should be making. If he's our cup keeper then we're not winning anything. Still, all's well that ends well.
Other than that it was a piece of piss and thoroughly professional which is nice to say. I thought their fans were good.
Considering the opposition I don’t think Tielemams did enough to impress Emery and push for a start in the league. Maybe he was trying too hard but his first touch at times, was off. Olsen made a couple of decent saves but his handling doesn’t give the defence confidence and he nearly let that back pass go under his foot. Maybe he’ll grow the more he plays but he’s not going anywhere so we’ll have to back him when he plays.
Tielemans was the best player on the pitch against Lazio but since the real stuff started (including last night) he’s looked off the pace to me. Strange.
And yes, Olsen was as scary as ever.
Otherwise an absolute walk in the park, the regular senior players extremely comfortable and Duran promising.
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I was actually surprised his name was barely mentioned in the thread. He had some good pre-season games as well and now seems to have hidden.
He spent all season hiding in the relegated Leicester team. His mentality has been weakened through that. Let's see if Emery can turn him around.
I dont think he was hiding last night to be fair, I just thought he looked a bit off the pace.
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I was actually surprised his name was barely mentioned in the thread. He had some good pre-season games as well and now seems to have hidden.
He spent all season hiding in the relegated Leicester team. His mentality has been weakened through that. Let's see if Emery can turn him around.
I dont think he was hiding last night to be fair, I just thought he looked a bit off the pace.
Played in the role Ramsey did last season in the first half and he looked a bit uncomfortable there.
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I was actually surprised his name was barely mentioned in the thread. He had some good pre-season games as well and now seems to have hidden.
He spent all season hiding in the relegated Leicester team. His mentality has been weakened through that. Let's see if Emery can turn him around.
I dont think he was hiding last night to be fair, I just thought he looked a bit off the pace.
Played in the role Ramsey did last season in the first half and he looked a bit uncomfortable there.
He lacks the lace for that role.
The only place he can play is next to either Kamara or Douglas Luiz.
He needs someone next to him who can do the running so he can dictate play from deep.
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I was actually surprised his name was barely mentioned in the thread. He had some good pre-season games as well and now seems to have hidden.
He spent all season hiding in the relegated Leicester team. His mentality has been weakened through that. Let's see if Emery can turn him around.
I dont think he was hiding last night to be fair, I just thought he looked a bit off the pace.
Played in the role Ramsey did last season in the first half and he looked a bit uncomfortable there.
He lacks the lace for that role.
The only place he can play is next to either Kamara or Douglas Luiz.
He needs someone next to him who can do the running so he can dictate play from deep.
Still has very silky skills though.
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A transfer to Nottingham or Honiton is looking likec a possibility.