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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Jon Crofts on May 20, 2023, 05:05:39 PM
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All yours.
I’d have taken a draw but we should have won that, refereeing was shameful.
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Backs to the wall second half but a fantastic effort from Villa. We sneak past Spuds into 7th spot and it's in our hands next week. I'd have taken a draw.
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Needed a result and got it. We were great for the first 75!
Our destiny is in our hands, well done to the boys today.
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Annoying not to win but if someone had said this morning that Spurs would lose and we'd get a point, i'd have ripped their arm off. Win our last game and it's Europe.
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First half bossed it.Second half disjointed ,mainly down to the Moreno injury. Happy with a point and fucks 'The Mighty Reds YNWA''s top 4 hopes.
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Buzzing
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Annoying that they equalised late on, but that’s a very good point. They were in great form and it gets us ahead of Spurs. Plus as a bonus ends their Champs League hopes.
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I’m now going to be a massive Man City and Saints fan. I want a chance at Europa come the Brighton game.
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There are few things worse in football than Liverpool.
Well done though, Villa.
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Well done lads, proud of you. Last minute equaliser a pain but I'd have taken a draw at the start of the game. Beat Brighton, and we're in Europe.
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Cracking performance and LIVERPOOL DON'T WIN WHAT A DISASTER
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TBH, I'd have taken a draw beforehand. At least Spurs lost to Brentford! Frustrating their equaliser was right at the end!
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Next week is going to be epic.
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Good result.
Villa win 1-1 8)
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The injury to Moreno disrupted the defensive shape but after Brighton beating Arsenal last Sunday I would have taken today's results in a heartbeat.
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Good point, probably a fair result, we were the better team in the first half, they were better in the 2nd but other than the goals and our penalty there weren't too many chances you'd say should've been taken.
Eruope is on our own hands, just need a better result than spurs next week. A couple of poor results for Brighton would be nice as well to keep the Europa league on the table.
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Obviously would have taken a draw but for PGMOL to basically gift that ****** firminho a Hollywood moment at the finish pisses me off. 10 mins added on also - the entire organisation needs purging.
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Mings was McGrath-esque today.
We did really well. I wish we had more of an outlet as it was all one-way traffic from midway through the first half. We battled well. It would have been so sweet to shut the commentators up.
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We looked a bit patched up at the end because of injuries and subs. Young was very poor when he came in Kamara also stood out. But the ref was so one eyed, they could foul wrestle push with impunity.
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At least Footy will be pleased Firmino put one past Martinez
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There are few things worse in football than Liverpool.
Well done though, Villa.
Yes, and that may be a point they regret. They've made a powerful enemy of the soon to be all conquering Villa.
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I'd have taken a draw as well. Let's beat Brighton and we will see and have no regret.
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Wow.
Superb effort from the team and incredibly it's now in our hands.
What Unai Emery has done is simply remarkable.
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Fed up how many times Liverpool score late goals against the Villa, Atleast this time it's only to salvage a point, We are getting there soon we overtake these 12 man teams.
UTV.
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I suppose a fair result. If we could have kept our starting side on for 90 maybe we’d have kept them out. Mings MoN by a long way but they all played their part apart from Bailey.
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Christ lads, what a fight that was. Don't begrudge Liverpool the point, they battered at us second half and, though we did very well to keep them at arm's length, you can't do that forever.
Ten added on though! To put with the five (eight really) in the first half, Spurs' nine earlier and, delightfully, a mere four at Man Utd vs. Bournemouth. I'm sure it's all a coincidence.
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That fact that we're deflated with a point at Anfield says it all.
Emery's still a genius.
Bring on Brighton.
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How good is this Villa side, Lpool lucky you get a draw with the ref today giving em everything
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I’m now going to be a massive Man City and Saints fan. I want a chance at Europa come the Brighton game.
Realistically I can't see Brighton losing to Southampton. 7th place is ours if we want it.
Good performance especially first half, injuries worked against us as did a shocking referee. He didn't look much like Klopp though he may as well have been.
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Great point, got what we needed and served another notice to one and all that we're not fucking about anymore
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This is all we could have hoped for going into the last weekend. That it’s in our own hands. At the start of the day that wasn’t the case. What an atmosphere it will be at Villa Park. We need to finish the job.
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Annoying not to take three points but a well-deserved draw at Anfield. Ten minutes my arse!
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We looked a bit patched up at the end because of injuries and subs. Young was very poor when he came in Kamara also stood out. But the ref was so one eyed, they could foul wrestle push with impunity.
The ref got the major decisions right. The pen, the non pen for them, the disallowed L’pool goal, the Mings yellow not red. A draw was a fair result. Disappointing to concede but not the ref’s fault.
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It's jut a shame that Watkins has reverted to his form of old, at the business end of the season. I know we wouldn't be where we are now without him, but we need better in the summer. Not to replace him but at least as an option when he goes back into cow's arse/banjo mode.
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I begrudge Liverpool any joy or success. They are a thundercunt of the highest order.
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Big big result. All to play for - we’re going into ten final game of the season where a win puts us in Europe. Absolutely incredible turnaround.
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I swear, at times, our possession football is some of the best in the league. Our first 30mins are so fluid, and the players clearly have confidence and trust in each other. Given we could’ve scored 3+ and their onslaught at the end, a draw is probably a fair result. I thought everyone in the starting midfield, Mings and dibu were standout performers today.
Super Unai Emery! UTV, enjoy your weekends!
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We didn’t add on time like they did in the World Cup up until now. It’s amazing it really is.
A great performance considering they needed to win and we got what we needed. It’s all on us now which is amazing looking back.
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Injuries weakened us but brave at the end.
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1-1 at A Field (old Shelley Webb /WSC reference for ye there) is good, and Spurs losing is double good. Europe? It's ON baby.
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Like lots on here, I'd have taken a draw after Brentford's win. Well done Villa.
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I'd imagine pretty much every Villa side we've watched over the last 10-15 years, including the O'Neill ones, bottle that after the equaliser, with 10 MINUTES added on, the ref + 50k scousers pushing them on.
We held on for a point that may well just see us over the line for Europe. The mental strength instilled in this team by the manager is absolutely incredible. So proud of the entire team today.
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I’m now going to be a massive Man City and Saints fan. I want a chance at Europa come the Brighton game.
And it’s a bit good, both ways really
Because if Brighton get three points against Southampton, they are guaranteed a place for Europa and won’t have that much riding on our last game
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Mings was absolutely fantastic.
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Not that long ago, the players would have been doing cartwheels with a draw at Liverpool. The fact they're slumped with exhaustion and disappointment is a testament to how Emery has changed the mindset at Villa. It's a massive point, puts us ahead of Spurs and 90 minutes from European football.
Exciting times ahead.
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What was the injury to Moreno?
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What was the injury to Moreno?
Went up for a header, fell and was holding his hamstring. Had to be helped off by the physios... I'd imagine he'll be done for this season.
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Absolutely brilliant performance for 80 mins, then hanging on a bit at the end. Shows the lack of depth on the bench. Our defence were incredible but everyone played their part.
Beat Brighton and we are into Europe - which I admit I had given up on after the Wolves defeat.
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Brentford home to Man City next week, Spurs away to Leeds. A point might be enough, who knows? A good point today, shame about the penalty miss but can't have it all.
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The equaliser was a pain but there you go.
A very good away result.
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Mings MotM but Luiz close 2nd and I think taking Luiz off was when we really lost our shape. Before that they'd had the possession but hadn't really created anything and he was doing a fantastic job as a pressure valve to take the sting out of the game. Once he went off we had no one controlling the tempo and it really hurt us.
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Mings motm
Imperious
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How do we go about getting that level of corruption working for us?
Well done lads.
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Let's just batter Brighton. Then we don't have to worry about what Spurs and Brentford do.
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Back to front another amazing performance.
Fate now 100% in our hands to finish 7th next weekend.
Let's finish the job.
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I really like playing the high line. Watching Manyoo and pewl revert to over the top long balls just makes them look so desperate and doesn’t allow them to find a rhythm. Of course, it works better if you have a linesman worth a shit.. the flag down first idea just allows the lino to get away a low standard.
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Fantastic point against a side in top form, need the Saints to somehow get a point tomorrow.
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I'm so excited for next season already!
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Let's just batter Brighton. Then we don't have to worry about what Spurs and Brentford do.
Yes. Absolutely yes.
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I stopped following when Gakpo "equalised", so on one hand I'm a bit disappointed to see how it finally panned out, but on the other I think had I followed events, I'd be more crushed now.
But to be where we are, from where we started, just fucking wow!
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It's jut a shame that Watkins has reverted to his form of old, at the business end of the season. I know we wouldn't be where we are now without him, but we need better in the summer. Not to replace him but at least as an option when he goes back into cow's arse/banjo mode.
Definitely. Feels a bit ungrateful to say it, but there you go.
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It's jut a shame that Watkins has reverted to his form of old, at the business end of the season. I know we wouldn't be where we are now without him, but we need better in the summer. Not to replace him but at least as an option when he goes back into cow's arse/banjo mode.
Definitely. Feels a bit ungrateful to say it, but there you go.
Unai said it himself, every player is upgradeable and Ollie is no different. He's been great but we really need someone more deadly if we are to go higher. Looking at the league table, we are one of the lower sides in terms of goals in the top half of the table. It does seem ungrateful but there you go!
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I’d have taken a point before the game, but gutted about conceding so late. I don’t imagine emery will be happy with some of the lack of composure in the last 30 mins. Needed to calm it down and keep possession a bit more. Too many pointless hoofs straight to their keeper or out of play, particularly from set pieces.
Still, what progress!
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Annoying we couldn't hang-on, as if we beat Brighton, we could have nabbed 6th (assuming they beat Saints and lose or even draw with Citeh). But I would have been delighted with a final 7th placed finish this morning, so can't lose sight of the fact that European football is still in our hands. And the Conference trophy is something we would be amongst the favourites to win, rightly so.
Not too bummed-out it was a "last minute equaliser", as there was 10 minutes played after it. Not sure how we regain composure at a hostile environment once we let the home team back in. It probably needs better quality than Duran or Dendoncker to come on and settle things down, keep possession and take the sting out of the game where necessary.
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I stopped following when Gakpo "equalised", so on one hand I'm a bit disappointed to see how it finally panned out, but on the other I think had I followed events, I'd be more crushed now.
But to be where we are, from where we started, just fucking wow!
Why is “equalised” in parentheses? Was it a dodgy goal? I was not watching.
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I stopped following when Gakpo "equalised", so on one hand I'm a bit disappointed to see how it finally panned out, but on the other I think had I followed events, I'd be more crushed now.
But to be where we are, from where we started, just fucking wow!
Why is “equalised” in parentheses? Was it a dodgy goal? I was not watching.
Disallowed for offside
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I’m now going to be a massive Man City and Saints fan. I want a chance at Europa come the Brighton game.
Realistically I can't see Brighton losing to Southampton. 7th place is ours if we want it.
Good performance especially first half, injuries worked against us as did a shocking referee. He didn't look much like Klopp though he may as well have been.
No, it’s likely Brighton having been battered at Newcastle come back with a win. You never know against relegated teams but they probably feel Man City away is a defeat. They won’t want to go into next week needing a win to get in.
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Fantastic point against a side in top form, need the Saints to somehow get a point tomorrow.
I honestly think it's in our interest Brighton stick 6 past Southampton and then get something v Man. City and then they're 100% on the beach playing us.
People turning their noses up at Europa Conference but it's a competition we can do really well in. Roma won it last year and now in final of Europa league so they've used it as a springboard.
You win it and you're also in the Europa league for following season regardless of league performance.
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Very good result, they’ve lost 1 in 43 at home and we were close. We’re clearly making tremendous strides under UE, love this Villa side.
Tyrone is looking a little like God, which is the biggest compliment I could play a Centre Half.
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I stopped following when Gakpo "equalised", so on one hand I'm a bit disappointed to see how it finally panned out, but on the other I think had I followed events, I'd be more crushed now.
But to be where we are, from where we started, just fucking wow!
Why is “equalised” in parentheses? Was it a dodgy goal? I was not watching.
Disallowed for offside
Just me who thought he used his hand to control? As ever VAR seemed to be looking at the wrong phase of play considering Jota was supposed to be the one offside yet it kept looking at Van Dijk?!
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Gutted, but the way we played gives me great heart for next Sunday. Ref was appalling but the voice of reason inside me is saying he did get our penalty call correct at least and could possibly have sent Mings off for the Gakpo foul so maybe it vaguely evens out. Desperately refreshing the tickets page to try to get a spare!
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Amount of stoppage time was about right (there were more than four minutes of stoppages (Bailey and VAR) even before Moreno was injured, then there were loads of subs and three cards for time wasting). Ref rubbish on their cynical fouls, but that is par for the course against the better teams for some reason. Also rubbish on our time wasting (a braver ref would book Martinez twice rather than thinking I've already booked hom so I'll book Konsa instead or maybe not mistake 20 seconds for six), but that's also par for the course.
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I never get this "on the beach" stuff. Unless they put their under-11s in, it'll be a tough game against a team looking to end their season on a high. Fuck 'em, let's nab Europa.
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Today was a monumental performance by us. Only worry is that Ollie just can’t seem to hold the ball up to relieve some of the pressure. Second half the ball was just coming straight back. Sadly, Duran doesn’t look like the answer either. I’m nit picking though as it’s all now in our own hands and can imagine the atmosphere will be electric next Sunday.
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We looked a bit patched up at the end because of injuries and subs. Young was very poor when he came in Kamara also stood out. But the ref was so one eyed, they could foul wrestle push with impunity.
The ref got the major decisions right. The pen, the non pen for them, the disallowed L’pool goal, the Mings yellow not red. A draw was a fair result. Disappointing to concede but not the ref’s fault.
Fabinho 7 fouls probably 4 yellows amongst them, Henderson stone wall yellow, at least 3 offsides not given, 10 mins added time, yes the officials had a great game. No bias at all for Liverpool😁
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We are going to be such a good side next year if this is what we can do with 2/3s of a season of actually trying.
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Good away point there. Shame we could not hold on. All to play for vs Brighton.
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It’s the meticulous planning that helps. The players completely believe and the players we will bring in will likely start at a higher technically and mentally. These players have stretched and extended beyond what any of us thought they could. Some will keep their places but those that don’t will provide significant strength off the bench and in the squad.
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Premier League awarded MOTM to Firmino. Not even trying to hide it this week.
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We are going to be such a good side next year if this is what we can do with 2/3s of a season of actually trying.
And if we're honest, at least 3-4 players who need upgrading.
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We are on the verge of being top four. The SKY6 will need a reset....
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It’s the meticulous planning that helps. The players completely believe and the players we will bring in will likely start at a higher technically and mentally. These players have stretched and extended beyond what any of us thought they could. Some will keep their places but those that don’t will provide significant strength off the bench and in the squad.
Well said.
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I stopped following when Gakpo "equalised", so on one hand I'm a bit disappointed to see how it finally panned out, but on the other I think had I followed events, I'd be more crushed now.
But to be where we are, from where we started, just fucking wow!
Why is “equalised” in parentheses? Was it a dodgy goal? I was not watching.
PWS said it was 1-1 on the match thread, and it also changed on the BBC app. It was at that point I stopped, before I knew it had gone to VAR.
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From my position behind the sofa with my fingers in my ears ,can I ask if the match has finished yet?
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Fantastic point against a side in top form, need the Saints to somehow get a point tomorrow.
I honestly think it's in our interest Brighton stick 6 past Southampton and then get something v Man. City and then they're 100% on the beach playing us.
People turning their noses up at Europa Conference but it's a competition we can do really well in. Roma won it last year and now in final of Europa league so they've used it as a springboard.
You win it and you're also in the Europa league for following season regardless of league performance.
We will skip the Europa League altogether in our progression. This club is finishing top 4 next season.
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Fcukin 18 minutes in total added on to the game. Klopp would’ve made sure that was more if he was cheating down on the sidelines.
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As probably many have already said, Europe's not just important for morale, it also opens the field of players you can attract. All to the good when we're considering top four.
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We looked a bit patched up at the end because of injuries and subs. Young was very poor when he came in Kamara also stood out. But the ref was so one eyed, they could foul wrestle push with impunity.
The ref got the major decisions right. The pen, the non pen for them, the disallowed L’pool goal, the Mings yellow not red. A draw was a fair result. Disappointing to concede but not the ref’s fault.
Fabinho 7 fouls probably 4 yellows amongst them, Henderson stone wall yellow, at least 3 offsides not given, 10 mins added time, yes the officials had a great game. No bias at all for Liverpool😁
You are clearly unfamiliar with the latest refereeing directive known as 'The Anfield Allowance' which states that Fabinho will be allowed seven peristant fouls before ever being considered for a yellow card.
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On Radio 5 at the end they kept on going back to Anfield to tell us who the latest player to leave the club was saying goodbye on the pitch . Hmmmm indulgent much ?
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Between channel hopping I switched over to Sky Sprts News just in time to see Neves being interviewed after the Wolves game. Re the nine minutes added time they played, when asked by the interviewer about the added time he replied 'I asked the referee about time left and he told me that referees had been directed to play the full allotted added time for the last two games of the season'. Neves then said he made the point to the referee 'why the last two games and not the rest of the season? which, I didn't think was an unreasonable question.
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On Radio 5 at the end they kept on going back to Anfield to tell us who the latest player to leave the club was saying goodbye on the pitch . Hmmmm indulgent much ?
Same on Final Score, a Bobby Firmino love-in rather than doing the match reports.
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I'd have a taken a point when we went 1-0 up knowing the ref might want to even things up on the penalty front, and especially if I knew the ref was going to add 20 mins of added time. Good result which keeps our Europe aspirations bubbling along nicely.
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We looked a bit patched up at the end because of injuries and subs. Young was very poor when he came in Kamara also stood out. But the ref was so one eyed, they could foul wrestle push with impunity.
The ref got the major decisions right. The pen, the non pen for them, the disallowed L’pool goal, the Mings yellow not red. A draw was a fair result. Disappointing to concede but not the ref’s fault.
Fabinho 7 fouls probably 4 yellows amongst them, Henderson stone wall yellow, at least 3 offsides not given, 10 mins added time, yes the officials had a great game. No bias at all for Liverpool😁
You are clearly unfamiliar with the latest refereeing directive known as 'The Anfield Allowance' which states that Fabinho will be allowed seven peristant fouls before ever being considered for a yellow card.
Fabhinho could quite easily have been sent off in the first half.
Am I right in saying that at least 17 minutes were added on today?
Total joke.
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Good away point there. Shame we could not hold on. All to play for vs Brighton.
Exactly
Beat Brighton and we play in Europe, don’t beat them and we have to rely on Leeds
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Good away point there. Shame we could not hold on. All to play for vs Brighton.
Exactly
Beat Brighton and we play in Europe, don’t beat them and we have to rely on Leeds
And Man City.
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Fantastic result, happy with that.
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I am so proud of my team putting in a performance like that against Liverpool away.
The ref gave too much to them in the 50/50 but got major calls right. The length of injury time would not have been played if WE were 1-0 down I’d grant you.
The twat commentator on my river literally was the worst I’ve heard.
Shows how far we’ve come that we’re disappointed with a draw.
We easily lost momentum when Moreno pulled his hamstring and Luiz went off. The depth issue will be addresed in the summer I’m certain.
Sunday should be monumental in the history of AVFC.
Can’t wait for what the club has planned for next season as well as approaching our 150th year.
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I thought we were very good today.
JJ, Ming, SJM were excellent.
The stream I watched was so Liverpool biased, it was starting to really annoy me...I think it was Michael Bridges...Mings should have been off, Henderson should have had a penalty, our penalty was a tight call, Fabiniho has every right to go for every ball and SJM was begging for players to be booked.
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Good away point there. Shame we could not hold on. All to play for vs Brighton.
Exactly
Beat Brighton and we play in Europe, don’t beat them and we have to rely on Leeds
And Man City.
Oh yes, forgot about them
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Liverpool are an in-form team at the moment. I’d have snatched anyone’s hands off for a point out of this game last week. It’s not quite what we wanted now, but we have done well at Anfield here.
Next game is massive. We can do this!
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Why is Klopp such a cvnt when he doesn't win?!
Aston Villa were screwed in the second half and they didn't know how to deal with it."
On the disallowed goal: "I spoke to the referee, he said it is a subjective decision. He said it's not deliberate, I said it was."
On time wasting: "The time wasting was... wow. We saw against Sevilla the ball boys left the country, Roma against Leverkusen, how long was the ball in play? Ten minutes [added time] was fine, but we should have an extra five minutes within the 10. Everybody is doing it. We have seen in too many games this season, it has nothing to do with the result today, just a general football subject."
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Sorry Klopp, but you're pissed off because you've done a shite job with a team that should be top 2. Dry your fucking eyes mate.
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Between channel hopping I switched over to Sky Sprts News just in time to see Neves being interviewed after the Wolves game. Re the nine minutes added time they played, when asked by the interviewer about the added time he replied 'I asked the referee about time left and he told me that referees had been directed to play the full allotted added time for the last two games of the season'. Neves then said he made the point to the referee 'why the last two games and not the rest of the season? which, I didn't think was an unreasonable question.
Anyone think we're getting anywhere near nine minutes if we need it next weekend v Brighton? No, me neither.
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Brilliant, the twat. You know we're on it when hear shit like that.
Enjoy your send offs, next season you'll be chasing us you passive-aggressive tosser.
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Klopp is a twat in sheep's clothing.
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I absolutely loathe Bingo and his man of the people act, until things go against him and then he reveals his true colours. Wanker.
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Why is Klopp such a cvnt when he doesn't win?!
Aston Villa were screwed in the second half and they didn't know how to deal with it."
On the disallowed goal: "I spoke to the referee, he said it is a subjective decision. He said it's not deliberate, I said it was."
On time wasting: "The time wasting was... wow. We saw against Sevilla the ball boys left the country, Roma against Leverkusen, how long was the ball in play? Ten minutes [added time] was fine, but we should have an extra five minutes within the 10. Everybody is doing it. We have seen in too many games this season, it has nothing to do with the result today, just a general football subject."
I'll take that.
Rather than the usual patronising twaddle when they beat us.
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Unai's words are wiser:
“I’m very proud of our work given the challenge we had.
“Two months ago we were speaking about if we could get to the last match against Brighton at home playing for something important. Now it’s in our hands.
“Today this draw is amazing. In the first half we played in our game plan, being strong – not only defensively, offensively we were trying to build up and breaking their high press.
“We had a penalty, we scored one goal and progressively we were making more metres on the pitch. In the second half we needed to defend more than the first half but we were brilliant.
“They scored but I think it’s a very good point because it’s given us a possibility, in the last match with our supporters at home, enjoying and being very excited this week, for one European place.”
Jacob Ramsey’s first-half goal put Villa in control at Anfield and they rarely looked like surrendering the lead until the hosts’ late rally.
Emery is now fully focused on next weekend’s final game of the season at home to Brighton and Hove Albion at Villa Park.
“We have to remember our supporters as well because they are travelling away to every match that we are playing,” he said.
“The players are taking the demands I am trying to impose for everybody – for me, for the players, for the club.
“To play for a European place this week is a really important step ahead we are doing. Still, we have one week and we are going to enjoy it but practice as well as possible and be very focused.”
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Brentford home to Man City next week, Spurs away to Leeds. A point might be enough, who knows? A good point today, shame about the penalty miss but can't have it all.
I'd love us to break the 60 point barrier. It would be one hell of an achievement.
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Emery is better than Klopp in every way
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12885437/liverpool-1-1-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
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Am I right in saying that at least 17 minutes were added on today?
Total joke.
No, it was 19+ mins.
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Klopp and Guardiola are both the same in that they’re very nice and complementary when teams play how they want to play. When they don’t, or the result doesn’t go their way, they’re both incredibly sour and petty.
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Emery is better than Klopp in every way
there's no class about Liverpool at all.
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I am going to disagree with the majority here and say I like Klopp.
Pep on the other hand...
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Klopp is great when things are going for him, and a right unpleasant narky little twat when they aren't.
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Didn't hear Klopp complaining about how the ref let them get away with a myriad of cheap and dirty fouls, including Fabinho's dozen or so.
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Emery is better than Klopp in every way
there's no class about Liverpool at all.
Too right, and just wait for next season when Emery doesn’t give him a 10 game head start.
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Anyone else think , ‘ call me trent’ is a bit of a poser and a liability in midfield as well as defence
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Klopp and Guardiola are both the same in that they’re very nice and complementary when teams play how they want to play. When they don’t, or the result doesn’t go their way, they’re both incredibly sour and petty.
They were both educated in this by Sir Alex Ferguson.
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Anyone else think , ‘ call me trent’ is a bit of a poser and a liability in midfield as well as defence
Absolutely.His diagonal ball shit is lower league standard.
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Anyone else think , ‘ call me trent’ is a bit of a poser and a liability in midfield as well as defence
Absolutely.His diagonal ball shit is lower league standard.
he was fast asleep for our goal.
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Amazing work today - shame we didn’t hang on but to go into the last game of the season with Europe in our own hands is amazing. Unai is amazing - but a big shout to the players. A lii oh t we thought needed upgrading - but have really shown their quality. Mings, McGinn great to see them both at the heart of everything good. Luiz has developed into a truly excellent midfielder - hope he’s here next season.
Had to listen to it on AV Radio - which is awful - the commentary gives you no idea what’s going on at all - really bad. Tony Daley not too bad but Jack? is awful.
Amazing - can’t wait to next weekend - to be going into the final game of the season with something to play for is really special - UTV
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there's no class about Liverpool at all.
First comment in the RAWK post-match thread is "Fucking robbed again". I assume he's talking about Liverpool FC.
Apparently they didn't win because of corrupt officiating beholden to the Manchester Mafia. We played "like it was a Champions League final" and "where was that effort against Citeh on the final day last season?" All in all it seems it was bad form by the Villa to be competitive and not roll over and let Bobby bow out with a win. Instead it was an "anticlimax". Oh, what a shame for the tw@ts.
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Like most I would've snatched your hand off for a Spurs loss and us a draw, especially after Spurs going 1 up.
Really unbelievable that we're going into the last game of the season with a chance of Europe. And I can't fucking go to it due to family shite that I couldn't weasel out of.
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surely it's up to these sides to beat us, regardless how we play. Moaning fuckers don't think of it like that.
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Anyone else think , ‘ call me trent’ is a bit of a poser and a liability in midfield as well as defence
Absolutely.His diagonal ball shit is lower league standard.
he was fast asleep for our goal.
checking his hair no doubt
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A bit disappointed with the equaliser but I love Emery. I'm. Not sure if we had any defensive players left on the bench when Moreno went off but putting Bendy on was brave and genius really.
Whatever happens next week, getting Emery was a masterstroke.
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I still can't get my head around the fact that with one game of the season left we're in with a chance of European qualification given what happened that night against Fulham. It was the realms of fantasy that we would finish above Fulham given the way they were playing at the time.
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Anyone else think , ‘ call me trent’ is a bit of a poser and a liability in midfield as well as defence
Absolutely.His diagonal ball shit is lower league standard.
I remember when there was hype of Rio playing in midfield for United. I think he had one deventish game. Then anything but. Then it was over an experiment.
Expect thisbTAA to go the same. Since VVD lost a yard their whole defence looks wobbly.
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Am I right in saying that at least 17 minutes were added on today?
Total joke.
No, it was 19+ mins.
So he was right then... 😉
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Am I right in saying that at least 17 minutes were added on today?
Total joke.
No, it was 19+ mins.
So he was right then... 😉
Either way, this is why I'm in favour of them stopping the clock, get rid of the subjective bullshit that always seems to give certain teams all the time in the world to save a game.
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Am I right in saying that at least 17 minutes were added on today?
Total joke.
No, it was 19+ mins.
So he was right then... 😉
Yes, I was aware of that when I posted it, but it was important to highlight just how long the added time was. :)
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Only one team has done the double over us this season- arsenal (and that was lucky). What a manager Unai is.
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Only one of two games this season I haven’t been able to watch on the rivers. Was out cycling in the glorious sunshine. But had intermittent converage on Radio 5 on my phone on the old handlebars. Bloody tense.
A point and Spurs losing is a good day.
The famous Villa Park will be really rocking next Sunday.
Bank Holiday and all that.
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Klopp and Guardiola are both the same in that they’re very nice and complementary when teams play how they want to play. When they don’t, or the result doesn’t go their way, they’re both incredibly sour and petty.
They are most complimentary when they feel threatened.
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Klopp's bitching is nothing more than a distraction. He's failed to deliver Champions League football but moans about time wasting in a game that has almost 20 mins injury time.
A gracious victor but an arsehole when things don't go his way. He knows teams like us are catching up fast.
We deserved a point, Ming's & McGinn were immense.
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Remember how much he's whined about the number of fixtures over the years, then picked a side full of 1st team starters against our U12 side. That's Klopp right there, the twat.
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Don't think its just Kloppity Klopp their whole fan base believe they have a right. According to some beaut (a pensioner no less) we were cowardly, thugs and anti football. Oh well
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Klopp and Guardiola are both the same in that they’re very nice and complementary when teams play how they want to play. When they don’t, or the result doesn’t go their way, they’re both incredibly sour and petty.
Klopp and Guardiola are both the same in that they are both absolute cunts.
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Amen.
Flat track bullies. And he still looks shit without glasses
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Mings was absolutely fantastic.
Ironic given it was in the previous managers (who tried to publicly humiliate him) own backyard as well, but was somewhat fortunate not to see red for that tackle.
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Finally back home, long day. Really impressed with how we stood up to a very physical Liverpool. We really biased the first half and Liverpool created nothing. Second half a different story. Bailey really doesn't deliver when we need him in those moments. An upgrade in his position would have made such a difference in the break 2nd half. Anyway it's still great to take the chance of Europe to the last day. UTV
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Job done really in terms of being ahead of Spurs going into the last game. At 1-0 it was looking good in terms of being ahead in the race for sixth, but we now need Southampton and Man City to get results against Brighton for us to still be in that race.
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A big debate on MOTD and a concensus that Konsa had intended to play the ball and so Pool were robbed. Does anyone think that of the roles were reversed that their would have any question or discussion at all of the exact same situation? It's all bollocks
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Remember how much he's whined about the number of fixtures over the years, then picked a side full of 1st team starters against our U12 side. That's Klopp right there, the twat.
He did that in revenge for when he decided to take pretty much his full first team to the World Club Champions the year before and field the youngest side in protest, then complained when we fielded a "strong side".
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Klopp and Guardiola are both the same in that they’re very nice and complementary when teams play how they want to play. When they don’t, or the result doesn’t go their way, they’re both incredibly sour and petty.
Klopp and Guardiola are both the same in that they are both absolute cunts.
:D
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A big debate on MOTD and a concensus that Konsa had intended to play the ball and so Pool were robbed. Does anyone think that of the roles were reversed that their would have any question or discussion at all of the exact same situation? It's all bollocks
There wouldn't have been the level of debate but I must say I'd have been pissed if that goal was taken off us.
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The three significant VAR checks (pen, Mings and their goal) all went in our favour which is such a surprise against them, especially as all three could easily have been interpreted differently. It actually turned over the on-field decision for their goal as well.
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Brilliant result and performance and a great day out I absolutely love Aston Villa.
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there's no class about Liverpool at all.
First comment in the RAWK post-match thread is "Fucking robbed again". I assume he's talking about Liverpool FC.
Apparently they didn't win because of corrupt officiating beholden to the Manchester Mafia. We played "like it was a Champions League final" and "where was that effort against Citeh on the final day last season?" All in all it seems it was bad form by the Villa to be competitive and not roll over and let Bobby bow out with a win. Instead it was an "anticlimax". Oh, what a shame for the tw@ts.
Bit like that semi-final when we were supposed to go to Wembley and just roll over, so Steven Gerrard could lift the FA Cup in his final season.
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there's no class about Liverpool at all.
First comment in the RAWK post-match thread is "Fucking robbed again". I assume he's talking about Liverpool FC.
Apparently they didn't win because of corrupt officiating beholden to the Manchester Mafia. We played "like it was a Champions League final" and "where was that effort against Citeh on the final day last season?" All in all it seems it was bad form by the Villa to be competitive and not roll over and let Bobby bow out with a win. Instead it was an "anticlimax". Oh, what a shame for the tw@ts.
Fuck them all. A turd of a club.
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A great performance by the lads. The point was well deserved.
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Anyone else think , ‘ call me trent’ is a bit of a poser and a liability in midfield as well as defence
Absolutely.His diagonal ball shit is lower league standard.
he was fast asleep for our goal.
So was his wee little mate on the other side for the free kick when Jacob should have made it 2-0.
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Klopp and Guardiola are both the same in that they’re very nice and complementary when teams play how they want to play. When they don’t, or the result doesn’t go their way, they’re both incredibly sour and petty.
That sour faced cow at Man U was same. He was a patronising fucker just having beaten you but never gave any praise to opposition when they did well. Classless twats. Our Unai is more like Ancelotti. A proper gentleman.
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We effectively knocked Liverpool out of the Champions League and kept ourselves in the running for a european spot.
A great days work.
Well done the lads.
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Very enjoyable day out. Mings was brilliant. McGinn awesome, even at left back. Thought we hung in there a little for the last 10 mins and the 11 minutes of injury time but still had a chance to win it at the end when a little indecision cost us in front of goal, on the breakaway.
The first half, Villa were a joy to watch. You would have thought we were the team chasing Champions League football, on a 7 game winning streak not Liverpool.
UTFV
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Great day out in the sun. I thought we were fantastic first half, by far the better side, Ollie really is off form in front of goal. Second half we really struggled to get out of our half and it did feel like a goal was coming. Still felt a little disappointed we didn’t hold on for the win at the time, but on reflection a great point and a great defensive display. 10 mins added time at the end was a joke, felt like it was totally being set up for Liverpool to get a winner. We march on.
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McGinn was superb, got to play him where he does the most damage. Injuries cost us the win, the only slight concern is Duran is nowhere near ready, even for a few minutes at the end.
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The three significant VAR checks (pen, Mings and their goal) all went in our favour which is such a surprise against them, especially as all three could easily have been interpreted differently. It actually turned over the on-field decision for their goal as well.
There's no way the penalty could have been interpreted any other way. The Ming's one was almost certainly correct. But the goal should have stood. VAR interpreted that Konsa didn't play the ball intentionally. I think most of us would say he did.
Why haven't the PL introduced added time like they did at the World Cup? Because the top 6 wouldn't want it. The likes of Klopp moan about too much football as it is. Having 110 min games wouldn't do them any favours, except in a game when they need it. If they bring it in next season, he'll be looking for 8 subs a game.
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The three significant VAR checks (pen, Mings and their goal) all went in our favour which is such a surprise against them, especially as all three could easily have been interpreted differently. It actually turned over the on-field decision for their goal as well.
There's no way the penalty could have been interpreted any other way. The Ming's one was almost certainly correct. But the goal should have stood. VAR interpreted that Konsa didn't play the ball intentionally. I think most of us would say he did.
Why haven't the PL introduced added time like they did at the World Cup? Because the top 6 wouldn't want it. The likes of Klopp moan about too much football as it is. Having 110 min games wouldn't do them any favours, except in a game when they need it. If they bring it in next season, he'll be looking for 8 subs a game.
I agree that the interpretation of the offside favoured us, but if you watch it back, it also appeared to me that Gakpo clearly handled the ball before putting it into the net.
Anyway, we've had more than our fair share of dodgy decisions against that lot, so fuck 'em.
I unfortunately didn't see the last half hour as I had to go out, but a Liverpool supporting mate of mine claims that we had four players booked for time wasting. Is that true?
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McGinn was superb, got to play him where he does the most damage. Injuries cost us the win, the only slight concern is Duran is nowhere near ready, even for a few minutes at the end.
Duran is a disruptor and a distraction when he comes on, people don't quite know what to do to play him. I'd love him to score the 4th on Sunday to finish the season in style and to complement Watkins' hattrick...
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The three significant VAR checks (pen, Mings and their goal) all went in our favour which is such a surprise against them, especially as all three could easily have been interpreted differently. It actually turned over the on-field decision for their goal as well.
There's no way the penalty could have been interpreted any other way. The Ming's one was almost certainly correct. But the goal should have stood. VAR interpreted that Konsa didn't play the ball intentionally. I think most of us would say he did.
Why haven't the PL introduced added time like they did at the World Cup? Because the top 6 wouldn't want it. The likes of Klopp moan about too much football as it is. Having 110 min games wouldn't do them any favours, except in a game when they need it. If they bring it in next season, he'll be looking for 8 subs a game.
I agree that the interpretation of the offside favoured us, but if you watch it back, it also appeared to me that Gakpo clearly handled the ball before putting it into the net.
Anyway, we've had more than our fair share of dodgy decisions against that lot, so fuck 'em.
I unfortunately didn't see the last half hour as I had to go out, but a Liverpool supporting mate of mine claims that we had four players booked for time wasting. Is that true?
Unless I’m missing something I’m sure Diaz was offside from the original ball into the box?
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Great day, lovely weather, nice city.
Most of us on here are old enough to remember Liverpool spending the last 10 mins of every game passing the ball back and forth to Clemence to kill time - leading to the introduction of the back-pass rule. So Klopp can shove his moaning about our time wasting up his bollocks. Yes, I do bear grudges.
And the crowd build up at halftime - which continued well into the restart - with people trying to get up the staircase as others were trying to get down was starting to get a bit tense. Didn’t add up to anything but if we’d have scored at that time there could have been a serious problem.
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As a matter of interest, does anyone know who was the Fred in the Shed VAR official?
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I'm surprised they overturned the goal for offside, the ball comes at Konsa quickly from a short distance and he flicks a heel at it.
That law is a piece of shit in situations like that though, is he supposed to jump out of the way and hope for the best? The law exists in case a defender intercepts a flick on then blindly plays it back to the keeper straight to their striker who was ambling back, not for a split second automatic reaction.
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The law is shit. And that's why they supposedly reviewed it after the Man City Rodri goal.
The officials should make a decision based on players' positions, not question a defender instinctively doing his fucking job.
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The three significant VAR checks (pen, Mings and their goal) all went in our favour which is such a surprise against them, especially as all three could easily have been interpreted differently. It actually turned over the on-field decision for their goal as well.
There's no way the penalty could have been interpreted any other way. The Ming's one was almost certainly correct. But the goal should have stood. VAR interpreted that Konsa didn't play the ball intentionally. I think most of us would say he did.
Why haven't the PL introduced added time like they did at the World Cup? Because the top 6 wouldn't want it. The likes of Klopp moan about too much football as it is. Having 110 min games wouldn't do them any favours, except in a game when they need it. If they bring it in next season, he'll be looking for 8 subs a game.
I agree that the interpretation of the offside favoured us, but if you watch it back, it also appeared to me that Gakpo clearly handled the ball before putting it into the net.
Anyway, we've had more than our fair share of dodgy decisions against that lot, so fuck 'em.
I unfortunately didn't see the last half hour as I had to go out, but a Liverpool supporting mate of mine claims that we had four players booked for time wasting. Is that true?
Unless I’m missing something I’m sure Diaz was offside from the original ball into the box?
I originally thought that but its very tight and im not even sure they looked at that, nothing was actually mentioned in live play about that at all.
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I have to be careful this morning - I have a Liverpool mate, a ST holder and someone I’ve known and respected for years.
But since last night he’s been absolutely raging about the referee and us.
They genuinely think they’ve been robbed. I’ve stayed away from engaging as he’s so bitter about it, I think we’d end up falling out.
It’s quite unbelievable.
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I have to be careful this morning - I have a Liverpool mate, a ST holder and someone I’ve known and respected for years.
But since last night he’s been absolutely raging about the referee and us.
They genuinely think they’ve been robbed. I’ve stayed away from engaging as he’s so bitter about it, I think we’d end up falling out.
It’s quite unbelievable.
Send me his contact details, mate. Haha.
I've got a lot to say about Liverpool. None of it positive. Alot of it unrepeatable. 😂
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I would counter Klopp and his whinging about time wasting with the amount of "clever" fouls Liverpool made against us in the first half when they couldn't deal with us.
In the live commentary even the biased commentator mentioned Fabinho fouling for the 57th time.
Has Emery ever complained about officials or opposition antics because I've never heard him say so?
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They will start another campaign banning VAR from their matches.
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I have to be careful this morning - I have a Liverpool mate, a ST holder and someone I’ve known and respected for years.
But since last night he’s been absolutely raging about the referee and us.
They genuinely think they’ve been robbed. I’ve stayed away from engaging as he’s so bitter about it, I think we’d end up falling out.
It’s quite unbelievable.
I don’t know how old you are mate, but I’ve been watching us play them for nearly 40 years now and have been left raging about their tactics and the referee pretty much every time we have played them, so I’m sure he can get over one game.
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I have to be careful this morning - I have a Liverpool mate, a ST holder and someone I’ve known and respected for years.
But since last night he’s been absolutely raging about the referee and us.
They genuinely think they’ve been robbed. I’ve stayed away from engaging as he’s so bitter about it, I think we’d end up falling out.
It’s quite unbelievable.
Remind him that his team were very fortunate to have 11 men on the field for the 2nd half. If we'd have fouled as persistently as them, there's no way we'd have finished the game with the full team intact.
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Klopp whinging about time wasting. If they were 1-0 up with 10 minutes left, what exactly would his team be doing?
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I have to be careful this morning - I have a Liverpool mate, a ST holder and someone I’ve known and respected for years.
But since last night he’s been absolutely raging about the referee and us.
They genuinely think they’ve been robbed. I’ve stayed away from engaging as he’s so bitter about it, I think we’d end up falling out.
It’s quite unbelievable.
Remind him that his team were very fortunate to have 11 men on the field for the 2nd half. If we'd have fouled as persistently as them, there's no way we'd have finished the game with the full team intact.
Believe me, I’m holding a lot back! I’m like a bubbling volcano that’s ready to go…
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Say nothing. That's usually more effective as a wind up.
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Reading the post match thread on RAWK and very amusing it is to. They are indeed absolutely furious at yesterday's proceedings.
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A reflection on our goal. It was almost a carbon copy of Elmo's cross for Trezeguet in the League Cup semi-final against Leicester.
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I have to be careful this morning - I have a Liverpool mate, a ST holder and someone I’ve known and respected for years.
But since last night he’s been absolutely raging about the referee and us.
They genuinely think they’ve been robbed. I’ve stayed away from engaging as he’s so bitter about it, I think we’d end up falling out.
It’s quite unbelievable.
Be the better man, tell him you're looking forward to meeting them in next year's Europa League final and that Liverpool might have a better chance with neutral European refs.
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Their team needs significant investment to stay still, without the help of Champions League money. Whilst Newcastle are going to pass them by. Chelsea won't be so bad next season & Man U will be spending big money.
Klopp has bought well to get them where they've been for the last few seasons & they've been great to watch. I'd watch them every time ahead of Citeh. But he's going to have to do it again & I'm not sure he will.
As for the fans, their sense of entitlement makes me sick.
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Considering Liverpool's form going into the match, that was one of the best first halves I've seen from us for a long time. Tyrone once again magnificent, also special mentions for SJM, Dougie and JJ.
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Reading the post match thread on RAWK and very amusing it is to. They are indeed absolutely furious at yesterday's proceedings.
They'd convinced themselves that they were going to make the Champions League, egged on by pundits such as Gary Neville (who I like usually) stating as if it was a fact that Liverpool would win their final two games of the season.
How dare little Aston Villa disrupt the natural order of things.
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Apart from Fabinho not getting carded till 80 odd minutes, I thought the ref was shite for both sides tbh. Mings could easily have seen red on another day for the high boot, and I thought Konsa DID attempt to play the ball in the offside decision against their disallowed goal.
Those moments aside though, WHAT a performance. In previous seasons, we'd have fizzled out after the Man Utd and Wolves results, but we've come back with a bang, and now have a shot at Europa Conference if we beat Brighton.
Regarding summer recruitment, I think it's become evidently clear that we're strong in GK, centre back, left back, midfield. Where we are blatantly short is down the right side of the pitch....
Personally, I think Bailey's best position is LW, but I think the reason he gets played on the right (or Traore) is that unlike down the left with two attacking fullbacks, we have very little attacking power down that right side from RB. If we can get a top drawer attacking RB similar to Moreno, I can see us ditching wingers all together and having an extra attacking midfielder in there (similar to Ramsey coming in from the left).
Another position is up front. Ollie is unstoppable when on a hot streak, but those hot streaks are too infrequent, and Jhon Duran has shown very little evidence that he is the alternate option. We need to spend big in this department in the summer, and those draws will turn into wins.
Gutted about the result, as my 100% away record is now tarnished with that draw, but shout out to both sets of fans - Villa away fans because they were bloody amazing, and the home fans because they were abysmal. Silence for 89mins between the eye rolling YNWA and Firminho's equaliser in the 89th minute. Famous Anfield atmosphere my arse!
Onto Brighton next week. UTV
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Are there a bigger sanctimonious, victim complex bunch of arseholes in football. I bet there will be a candlelight vigil outside the ground as they feel so aggrieved
And this is not aided by the big man baby that is Bingo
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Always feels like it’s a bit crass to accuse Liverpool fans of thinking themselves victims, with that said however there are a lot of them who go all in on conspiratorial thinking in that the entire football establishment wants to see them fail. Maybe this is a result of the Hillsborough cover up, but it’s remarkable to view from the outside looking in. Only Manchester United have more sycophants in the media, only Manchester United get away with more decisions in their favour over the years.
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Reading the post match thread on RAWK and very amusing it is to. They are indeed absolutely furious at yesterday's proceedings.
They'd convinced themselves that they were going to make the Champions League, egged on by pundits such as Gary Neville (who I like usually) stating as if it was a fact that Liverpool would win their final two games of the season.
How dare little Aston Villa disrupt the natural order of things.
I did find it remarkable that Neville dismissed us out of hand on the back of such impressive form both individually and as a team over such a long period.
Long may the ignorance continue.
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Reading the post match thread on RAWK and very amusing it is to. They are indeed absolutely furious at yesterday's proceedings.
They'd convinced themselves that they were going to make the Champions League, egged on by pundits such as Gary Neville (who I like usually) stating as if it was a fact that Liverpool would win their final two games of the season.
How dare little Aston Villa disrupt the natural order of things.
I did find it remarkable that Neville dismissed us out of hand on the back of such impressive form both individually and as a team over such a long period.
Long may the ignorance continue.
Wait until you see the BBC article on who can stop Man City - Chelsea are still "in the mix", bugger all about us.
Next season is going to be so much fun.
Should we keep the current run of form Top 4.
If we improve on the current run of form, who knows how high we'll finish!
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Liverpool supporters have been entitled since about 1965, mainly propagated by a psycophantic media which they quickly caught on to.
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Should we keep the current run of form Top 4.
If we improve on the current run of form, who knows how high we'll finish!
Oh you optimistic fool, the Blose fans know what's what.
serious question .. is this Villa’s peak with Emery?
he strikes me he should be a comedy manager as his interviews are incomprehensible, so how’s his tactics working to such effect like this
the run they’re on with him at the helm is ridiculous
I know I could be wrong here but I think Emery will be caught out next season. I don’t think he’s anywhere near as good as people make him out to be.
To be fair some there really rate Unai and just in case, they're convincing themselves it's the Farmers Conference League, a glorified Intertoto and doesn't count as a major trophy should we win it.
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I have to be careful this morning - I have a Liverpool mate, a ST holder and someone I’ve known and respected for years.
But since last night he’s been absolutely raging about the referee and us.
They genuinely think they’ve been robbed. I’ve stayed away from engaging as he’s so bitter about it, I think we’d end up falling out.
It’s quite unbelievable.
Be the better man, tell him you're looking forward to meeting them in next year's Europa League final and that Liverpool might have a better chance with neutral European refs.
Textbook
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I have to be careful this morning - I have a Liverpool mate, a ST holder and someone I’ve known and respected for years.
But since last night he’s been absolutely raging about the referee and us.
They genuinely think they’ve been robbed. I’ve stayed away from engaging as he’s so bitter about it, I think we’d end up falling out.
It’s quite unbelievable.
their manager and their team have robbed themselves , they have been crap most the season and maybe should remember Leeds winning at Anfield.
Newcaste, arse , cheat city and even Manure have all been better including Brighton to be fair , If it wasnt for their Stevie Slippy we would probably be above them.
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I don't think Liverpool got lucky yesterday, but had they scored in the 100th minute they would have.
Someone needs to do a tally, a real investigation into exactly how much added time the Sky teams get compared to the norm, because everyone, everyone knows that something is up.
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Liverpool have got a very frustrated fanbase today, but it's not our fault they lost against Leeds, not our fault they lost to Bournemouth when everyone else was battering them, not our fault they got smashed by Wolves either.
As they never tire of telling people when they get another dodgy penalty in front of the Kop, "these things even themselves out over the season". Klopp and his extra 5 minutes can get fucked.
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I don't think Liverpool got lucky yesterday, but had they scored in the 100th minute they would have.
Someone needs to do a tally, a real investigation into exactly how much added time the Sky teams get compared to the norm, because everyone, everyone knows that something is up.
I would hope that the club would be asking that very question. There were no significant stoppages either The other week when we played at Old Trafford we were pushing for an equaliser. When the board went up to show a measly almost unheard of 3 minutes stoppage time my flabber was totally ghasted. And there were several stoppages where treatment was required one of which was when Bruno was treated for gunshot wounds after being shot by a sniper in the crowd.
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The three significant VAR checks (pen, Mings and their goal) all went in our favour which is such a surprise against them, especially as all three could easily have been interpreted differently. It actually turned over the on-field decision for their goal as well.
There's no way the penalty could have been interpreted any other way. The Ming's one was almost certainly correct. But the goal should have stood. VAR interpreted that Konsa didn't play the ball intentionally. I think most of us would say he did.
Why haven't the PL introduced added time like they did at the World Cup? Because the top 6 wouldn't want it. The likes of Klopp moan about too much football as it is. Having 110 min games wouldn't do them any favours, except in a game when they need it. If they bring it in next season, he'll be looking for 8 subs a game.
I agree that the interpretation of the offside favoured us, but if you watch it back, it also appeared to me that Gakpo clearly handled the ball before putting it into the net.
Anyway, we've had more than our fair share of dodgy decisions against that lot, so fuck 'em.
I unfortunately didn't see the last half hour as I had to go out, but a Liverpool supporting mate of mine claims that we had four players booked for time wasting. Is that true?
Unless I’m missing something I’m sure Diaz was offside from the original ball into the box?
I actually thought there were 3 in offside positions when the ball was first played in, I’ll accept my eyes may have been slow, but, for me, Diaz was certainly offside
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If it goes in our favour I don't care if every referee/var decision is wrong. If mighty ynwa'pool can't beat a shitty little side like Villa then it's not our fault.
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A reflection on our goal. It was almost a carbon copy of Elmo's cross for Trezeguet in the League Cup semi-final against Leicester.
Somebody on the social media team had the same idea as you and have ran both goals side by side.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsgVIZ9LEPF/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Edit. Instagram links don't work too well. Official Villa Instagram page if anybody wants to see it.
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Although I really enjoyed the away day, I hate the borish 'sign on' song at Liverpool. How moronic and small time are some of our followers. I even heard some pro Thatcher songs from those not alive when she was PM.
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Although I really enjoyed the away day, I hate the borish 'sign on' song at Liverpool. How moronic and small time are some of our followers. I even heard some pro Thatcher songs from those not alive when she was PM.
I found the Liverpool slums song really embarrassing as we were queing to go into the ground, mainly lads in their twenties and thirties I thought, but really cringeworthy, makes us look like a bunch of reactionary right wing morons.
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Although I really enjoyed the away day, I hate the borish 'sign on' song at Liverpool. How moronic and small time are some of our followers. I even heard some pro Thatcher songs from those not alive when she was PM.
I found the Liverpool slums song really embarrassing as we were queing to go into the ground, mainly lads in their twenties and thirties I thought, but really cringeworthy, makes us look like a bunch of reactionary right wing morons.
As unpalatable as it is, some of our supporters are just that. Put a load of people together and you get a cross section of society.
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Surprised how many joined in with the National Anthem...
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Completely missed the game. So what happened to get 11 mins added time?
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Completely missed the game. So what happened to get 11 mins added time?
Liverpool weren't winning.
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We should have wrapped that game up in the first half. But, I think being disappointed not to take all three points from Anfield shows how far we have progressed since that fraud Gerrard.
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Although I really enjoyed the away day, I hate the borish 'sign on' song at Liverpool. How moronic and small time are some of our followers. I even heard some pro Thatcher songs from those not alive when she was PM.
I found the Liverpool slums song really embarrassing as we were queing to go into the ground, mainly lads in their twenties and thirties I thought, but really cringeworthy, makes us look like a bunch of reactionary right wing morons.
As unpalatable as it is, some of our supporters are just that. Put a load of people together and you get a cross section of society.
I was embarrassed by our fans while queuing up outside. Singing the national anthem, always the victims, sign on. Right bunch of twats. Then, in the ground, loads of blokes trying to get into rows further down instead of going to their own seats. I asked the bloke trying to stand in my spot where his seat was and thought he was going to lamp me. Not a pleasant experience really.
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Just saw the highlights.
Love Ramsey goal celebration.
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Surprised how many joined in with the National Anthem...
There’s a right wing reactionary streak to Brum, unfortunately. Remember it voted leave in 2016 when just about every other big multi-cultural city voted remain
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It’s now a thing to sing the National Anthem to wind up 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', don’t see a problem with it if it works.
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Just saw the highlights.
Love Ramsey goal celebration.
Yeah, me too
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Apart from the fact that everyone has to listen to that dirge for no real reason.
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It’s now a thing to sing the National Anthem to wind up 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', don’t see a problem with it if it works.
Agreed. Also, football fans signing football songs. The horror.
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I thought the Liverpool fans were spot on with their treatment of the anthem but I accept that might not be everyone's opinion so fair enough I guess. Although I won't be joining in.
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Although I really enjoyed the away day, I hate the borish 'sign on' song at Liverpool. How moronic and small time are some of our followers. I even heard some pro Thatcher songs from those not alive when she was PM.
I found the Liverpool slums song really embarrassing as we were queing to go into the ground, mainly lads in their twenties and thirties I thought, but really cringeworthy, makes us look like a bunch of reactionary right wing morons.
As unpalatable as it is, some of our supporters are just that. Put a load of people together and you get a cross section of society.
I was embarrassed by our fans while queuing up outside. Singing the national anthem, always the victims, sign on. Right bunch of twats. Then, in the ground, loads of blokes trying to get into rows further down instead of going to their own seats. I asked the bloke trying to stand in my spot where his seat was and thought he was going to lamp me. Not a pleasant experience really.
Yes, I have enjoyed going away this season but I've started to look for seats where I can minimise the prospect of nutters around me. Apart from the predictable younger set, it's embarrassing how some of the over 50s behave as well.
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Maybe the bed to end the away games closed shop.
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I found the singing of the anthem similar to the way England sing it at the Aussies at the cricket, although the Aussies are not in the same universe of sanctimonious pomposity that the Kopites are, so its probably less impactful.
Felt the first half was a superb display. Totally controlled affairs and it bodes well for next season. Pity we couldn't keep up that level of control second half and also a shame about the injury disruption. If Moreno stays on, they probably don't equalise.
For all their whinging, they wasted the entire first half and most of the 2nd by being bang average and failing to lay a glove on us. They didn't look like scoring so a shame to concede as we did.
Europe is in our hands. Let's go and smash Brighton and put that annual leave to good use come August.
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It’s now a thing to sing the National Anthem to wind up 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', don’t see a problem with it if it works.
It's all the other baggage with it that's the problem.
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Completely missed the game. So what happened to get 11 mins added time?
Out of nowhere there's a directive suddenly to go back to World cup injury time with just two games left so every single stoppage is getting counted.
From yesterday's second half Digne went down with an injury, then Moreno came on, cleared for a corner and went down himself before going off and we then had someone down in last 10 minutes as Emi did his usual of collecting the ball and throwing it straight out for throw in. He also got the inevitable booking for delaying his goal kick.
So that probably adds up to 4-5 minutes before adding up the subs.
What is very frustrating though is you see Everton get 9 minutes at Molineux when there were no goals in the second half and only 4-5 subs. We got three there a few weeks ago despite Ramsey being treated for a head injury for two minutes alone so that's the rank inconsistency straight away.
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Spurs and Liverpool both needed wins so got 10 mins, Man Utd were hanging on to a 1-0 so there was 4.
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Although I really enjoyed the away day, I hate the borish 'sign on' song at Liverpool. How moronic and small time are some of our followers. I even heard some pro Thatcher songs from those not alive when she was PM.
I found the Liverpool slums song really embarrassing as we were queing to go into the ground, mainly lads in their twenties and thirties I thought, but really cringeworthy, makes us look like a bunch of reactionary right wing morons.
As unpalatable as it is, some of our supporters are just that. Put a load of people together and you get a cross section of society.
I was embarrassed by our fans while queuing up outside. Singing the national anthem, always the victims, sign on. Right bunch of twats. Then, in the ground, loads of blokes trying to get into rows further down instead of going to their own seats. I asked the bloke trying to stand in my spot where his seat was and thought he was going to lamp me. Not a pleasant experience really.
Yes, I have enjoyed going away this season but I've started to look for seats where I can minimise the prospect of nutters around me. Apart from the predictable younger set, it's embarrassing how some of the over 50s behave as well.
Remember going to Blackburn years ago and got to my seat and they were 3 pissed up 50 year old, that pissed they were holding each other up
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Although I really enjoyed the away day, I hate the borish 'sign on' song at Liverpool. How moronic and small time are some of our followers. I even heard some pro Thatcher songs from those not alive when she was PM.
I found the Liverpool slums song really embarrassing as we were queing to go into the ground, mainly lads in their twenties and thirties I thought, but really cringeworthy, makes us look like a bunch of reactionary right wing morons.
As unpalatable as it is, some of our supporters are just that. Put a load of people together and you get a cross section of society.
I was embarrassed by our fans while queuing up outside. Singing the national anthem, always the victims, sign on. Right bunch of twats. Then, in the ground, loads of blokes trying to get into rows further down instead of going to their own seats. I asked the bloke trying to stand in my spot where his seat was and thought he was going to lamp me. Not a pleasant experience really.
Yes, I have enjoyed going away this season but I've started to look for seats where I can minimise the prospect of nutters around me. Apart from the predictable younger set, it's embarrassing how some of the over 50s behave as well.
Remember going to Blackburn years ago and got to my seat and they were 3 pissed up 50 year old, that pissed they were holding each other up
Sorry about that!
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Maybe best to end the away games closed shop.
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I can't find Wilma's comments? Have they been on this thread at all?
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I can think of 97 reasons why Liverpool boo the Anthem.
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Although I really enjoyed the away day, I hate the borish 'sign on' song at Liverpool. How moronic and small time are some of our followers. I even heard some pro Thatcher songs from those not alive when she was PM.
I found the Liverpool slums song really embarrassing as we were queing to go into the ground, mainly lads in their twenties and thirties I thought, but really cringeworthy, makes us look like a bunch of reactionary right wing morons.
As unpalatable as it is, some of our supporters are just that. Put a load of people together and you get a cross section of society.
This. The moronic, racist, homophobic 10 percenters. In every club, every town, every city.
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Spurs and Liverpool both needed wins so got 10 mins, Man Utd were hanging on to a 1-0 so there was 4.
Conspiracy theorists rejoice.
Given the hullabaloo about the amount of added time played at Anfield yesterday I thought I'd see what happened in the Greedy6 games played so far, so I checked the BBC live text match stats
Spurs 1-3 Brentford
5+10 = 15 mins
Bournemouth 0-1 Man U
2 + 5 = 7 mins
Liverpool 1-1 Villa
9 +11 =20 mins
Forest 1-0 Arsenal
5 +9 = 14 mins
City 1-0 Chelsea
3+5 = 8 mins
Can anybody see a pattern?
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I can think of 97 reasons why Liverpool boo the Anthem.
As horrific as Hillsborough was and I am very sympathetic to their feelings about what happened that day and in the aftermath, but honestly can’t see what that has to do with national anthem really.
Whatever they say, it’s a very recent thing (I went as a neutral to the FA Cup Final in 2012 when they played Chelsea and didn’t hear any booing) and is an extension of this whole “Scouse not English” narrative they have.
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I can think of 97 reasons why Liverpool boo the Anthem.
As horrific as Hillsborough was and I am very sympathetic to their feelings about what happened that day and in the aftermath, but honestly can’t see what that has to do with national anthem really.
Whatever they say, it’s a very recent thing (I went as a neutral to the FA Cup Final in 2012 when they played Chelsea and didn’t hear any booing) and is an extension of this whole “Scouse not English” narrative they have.
Although after 2012 they had the inquiry which resulted that the 97 were definitely unlawfully killed, yet still no one was ever found guilty or accepted full responsibility. So maybe it became more of an issue AFTER you went to that final?
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The National Anthem represents the establishment in this country, an establishment that twisted and turned to ensure no one was bought to book for the events at Hillsborough. An establishment that sought to destroy Liverpool through managed decline. An establishment that despises the working class, immigrants and Socialism.
I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.
The idea of venerating the very people that detest you is utterly beyond me.
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The National Anthem represents the establishment in this country, an establishment that twisted and turned to ensure no one was bought to book for the events at Hillsborough. An establishment that sought to destroy Liverpool through managed decline. An establishment that despises the working class, immigrants and Socialism.
I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.
The idea of venerating the very people that detest you is utterly beyond me.
Well said, Nev
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The National Anthem represents the establishment in this country, an establishment that twisted and turned to ensure no one was bought to book for the events at Hillsborough. An establishment that sought to destroy Liverpool through managed decline. An establishment that despises the working class, immigrants and Socialism.
I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.
The idea of venerating the very people that detest you is utterly beyond me.
Well said, Nev
Thirded
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I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.
I’m an English republican, and also oppose the concept of royalty and the anthem. I find it bizarre that a group of Villa fans would spontaneously sing it, even to rile the opposition. Who wants to be on the wrong side of that argument? As a group there are specific things that unite Villa fans, but supporting the monarchy isn’t one of them. Not every Villa fan loves King Charles, whereas they probably do love Paul McGrath. Better to chant about him.
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I was embarrassed by our fans while queuing up outside. Singing the national anthem, always the victims, sign on. Right bunch of twats. Then, in the ground, loads of blokes trying to get into rows further down instead of going to their own seats. I asked the bloke trying to stand in my spot where his seat was and thought he was going to lamp me. Not a pleasant experience really.
There's a very large proportion of absolute bellends in our away following.
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Although I really enjoyed the away day, I hate the borish 'sign on' song at Liverpool. How moronic and small time are some of our followers. I even heard some pro Thatcher songs from those not alive when she was PM.
I found the Liverpool slums song really embarrassing as we were queing to go into the ground, mainly lads in their twenties and thirties I thought, but really cringeworthy, makes us look like a bunch of reactionary right wing morons.
As unpalatable as it is, some of our supporters are just that. Put a load of people together and you get a cross section of society.
I was embarrassed by our fans while queuing up outside. Singing the national anthem, always the victims, sign on. Right bunch of twats. Then, in the ground, loads of blokes trying to get into rows further down instead of going to their own seats. I asked the bloke trying to stand in my spot where his seat was and thought he was going to lamp me. Not a pleasant experience really.
We must have been queuing up at the same time (around 2:35-40) as I heard all thos chants too. I really despise the sign on chant more than the others. Not really a fan of the national anthem either but can squint and accept it was sung to wind up the scousers.
I found the stewarding and policing very poor yesterday. We were in row 30 so probably 20 rows back from the exits. Despite leaving for the loo straight on half time whistle we didn’t even make it to the exit, such was the weird crowd control deployed. Chico Hamilton III offered some pro bono consulting to one copper who reciprocated by offering a complimentary free night’s accommodation. I gave up and turned back as the players came out for the second half and held it in. It was truly awful crowd control. I asked a steward after the game and he said it is always like that.
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I can think of 97 reasons why Liverpool boo the Anthem.
As horrific as Hillsborough was and I am very sympathetic to their feelings about what happened that day and in the aftermath, but honestly can’t see what that has to do with national anthem really.
Whatever they say, it’s a very recent thing (I went as a neutral to the FA Cup Final in 2012 when they played Chelsea and didn’t hear any booing) and is an extension of this whole “Scouse not English” narrative they have.
Although after 2012 they had the inquiry which resulted that the 97 were definitely unlawfully killed, yet still no one was ever found guilty or accepted full responsibility. So maybe it became more of an issue AFTER you went to that final?
I've heard some of them saying that they have been booing it since the 1980's, which I'm sorry, but I can't recall them doing it until very recently.
Probably should add at this point that I don't have any issues with the city of Liverpool or the people from there. Just not keen on the sanctimonious and self-congratulating nature of the fans of both clubs that come from that city. And that we've been on the end of so many bad decisions against the red half in particular over the years.
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The National Anthem represents the establishment in this country, an establishment that twisted and turned to ensure no one was bought to book for the events at Hillsborough. An establishment that sought to destroy Liverpool through managed decline. An establishment that despises the working class, immigrants and Socialism.
I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.
The idea of venerating the very people that detest you is utterly beyond me.
To you maybe. For others it's just a song that represents the country. Just out of interest, as an Irish Republican, how would you feel about Ulster rugby fans going down to Dublin for a game and booing Amhrán na bhFiann ?
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Liverpool is a good city these days, in the centre anyway. Hesseltine got the ball rolling. I'll look forward to strolling around his legacy at lunch time tomorrow in the sun.
Something to ponder. The idea that Hillsborough has its roots in the 1660s is a bizarre one.
Every away following has bellends. Normally the weather is not so glorious so they're identified by getting the badge in.
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I was embarrassed by our fans while queuing up outside. Singing the national anthem, always the victims, sign on. Right bunch of twats. Then, in the ground, loads of blokes trying to get into rows further down instead of going to their own seats. I asked the bloke trying to stand in my spot where his seat was and thought he was going to lamp me. Not a pleasant experience really.
There's a very large proportion of absolute bellends in our away following.
I can only imagine, mate. I despise all those YouTuber/social media types who go to aways, and imagine they're the most harmless ones out of the bellend brigade.
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Max Stokes is a nice lad and has been doing it for years now. My boy (.8.) likes his videos to get a sense of the atmosphere etc, as it's been a nigh on impossibility to get him away tickets.
We have a loud and boisterous away following. There was nothing deep about some singing GSTK at the denizens of Olso/Cork or anywhere but an L postcode yesterday. There's some real grumpy overreaching going on this thread.
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They can’t whine about booing the anthem to make some contrived point but then get annoyed at opposition fans singing the anthem at them.
It’s football supporters antagonising other supporters and nothing more.
I find the boring “sign on” song more cringey.
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They can’t whine about booing the anthem to make some contrived point but then get annoyed at opposition fans singing the anthem at them.
It’s football supporters antagonising other supporters and nothing more.
I find the boring “sign on” song more cringey.
Trouble is, it's often the same ones who sing the anthem that also sing the sign on and victims and, increasingly. murderers shite.
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They can’t whine about booing the anthem to make some contrived point but then get annoyed at opposition fans singing the anthem at them.
It’s football supporters antagonising other supporters and nothing more.
I find the boring “sign on” song more cringey.
Trouble is, it's often the same ones who sing the anthem that also sing the sign on and victims and, increasingly. murderers shite.
I do think that is a bit of a leap if I'm honest Dave regarding singing the national anthem to wind them up and singing about them being murderers. The sign on stuff is lazy, but we get that kind of stuff too ("we pay your benefits"), especially from London clubs.
The victim stuff is a bit more complex because of Hillsborough. I do think they have somewhat of a complex and it shows in things like that episode with Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra, when their players wore shirts in support of Suarez. That said, that particular song can easily be construed to be about Hillsborough and is obviously not good in that context. The murderers stuff is totally unacceptable and has no place in football. As I said above I went to an FA Cup final as neutral when they played Chelsea and was taken aback a bit by the Chelsea fans chanting throughout and after the game about Hillsborough. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't recall hearing our fans chanting that kind of stuff.
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They can’t whine about booing the anthem to make some contrived point but then get annoyed at opposition fans singing the anthem at them.
It’s football supporters antagonising other supporters and nothing more.
I find the boring “sign on” song more cringey.
Trouble is, it's often the same ones who sing the anthem that also sing the sign on and victims and, increasingly. murderers shite.
I do think that is a bit of a leap if I'm honest Dave regarding singing the national anthem to wind them up and singing about them being murderers. The sign on stuff is lazy, but we get that kind of stuff too ("we pay your benefits"), especially from Londin clubs.
The victim stuff is a bit more complex because of Hillsborough. I do think they have somewhat of a complex and it shows in things like that episode with Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra, when their players wore shirts in support of Suarez. That said, that particular song can easily be construed to be about Hillsborough and is obviously not good in that context. The murderers stuff is totally unacceptable and has no place in football. As I said above I went to an FA Cup final as neutral when they played Chelsea and was taken aback a bit by the Chelsea chanting throughout the game about Hillsborough.
I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't recall hearing our fans chanting that kind of stuff.
Have a look on Twitter.
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They can’t whine about booing the anthem to make some contrived point but then get annoyed at opposition fans singing the anthem at them.
It’s football supporters antagonising other supporters and nothing more.
I find the boring “sign on” song more cringey.
Trouble is, it's often the same ones who sing the anthem that also sing the sign on and victims and, increasingly. murderers shite.
I do think that is a bit of a leap if I'm honest Dave regarding singing the national anthem to wind them up and singing about them being murderers. The sign on stuff is lazy, but we get that kind of stuff too ("we pay your benefits"), especially from Londin clubs.
The victim stuff is a bit more complex because of Hillsborough. I do think they have somewhat of a complex and it shows in things like that episode with Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra, when their players wore shirts in support of Suarez. That said, that particular song can easily be construed to be about Hillsborough and is obviously not good in that context. The murderers stuff is totally unacceptable and has no place in football. As I said above I went to an FA Cup final as neutral when they played Chelsea and was taken aback a bit by the Chelsea chanting throughout the game about Hillsborough.
I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't recall hearing our fans chanting that kind of stuff.
Have a look on Twitter.
I'm not on Twitter Dave, probably for the reasons you are pointing out.
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I'm not on Twitter Dave, probably for the reasons you are pointing out.
I don't blame you; there's a fair bit on there.
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It’s now a thing to sing the National Anthem to wind up 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', don’t see a problem with it if it works.
Agreed. Also, football fans signing football songs. The horror.
It's not a football song.
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The National Anthem represents the establishment in this country, an establishment that twisted and turned to ensure no one was bought to book for the events at Hillsborough. An establishment that sought to destroy Liverpool through managed decline. An establishment that despises the working class, immigrants and Socialism.
I'm an Irish Republican and oppose the concept of Royalty and the Anthem. On Coronation day I remained on the concourse at Molineux until the Anthem had been played, this is England and that's what happens but I do not blame the Scousers one bit for opposing it.
The idea of venerating the very people that detest you is utterly beyond me.
To you maybe. For others it's just a song that represents the country. Just out of interest, as an Irish Republican, how would you feel about Ulster rugby fans going down to Dublin for a game and booing Amhrán na bhFiann ?
Me personally It wouldn't bother me or boo any other anthem, because I got older and what's the point it doesn't change anything ( edited)
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The national anthem thing is clearly a way to wind them up. Let's face it, many just join in with songs to be part of things, to belong. I'm sure there are some who are intent on being offensive, aggressive idiots but singing the national anthem for most won't be for that reason.
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The national anthem thing is clearly a way to wind them up. Let's face it, many just join in with songs to be part of things, to belong. I'm sure there are some who are intent on being offensive, aggressive idiots but singing the national anthem for most won't be for that reason.
This is where I’m at. I didn’t particularly like singing YNWA at Old Trafford but we did it for the wind up and the reaction it got or bantz as da yoot say these days.
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Fans were singing Brentford's name loudly underneath the concourse as everybody collectively chuckled at Tottenham. I'm not sure if that's because we're a group of secret hard right Brexiteers or radical Calvanist planters or just because we hadn't got round to our cover of Achy Breaky Heart yet.
There was a song (I presume it's a Liverpool and/or Man City one) being sung at Old Trafford about the collection of (alleged) wrong uns' and Scholes sucking his daughter's toes. A crass wind up or the implied views of masses of Kingstanding and Erdington on our new relationship with the EU. You decide.
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If a few dicks want to pledge allegiance to God and the King then more fool them. Sign On annoys me but as I probably used to sing it on the Holte in the early 80s then I can’t really complain about others doing it now.
The “Always the Victims….” song was originally a not so subtle attempt to link Hillsborough and Heysel - usually performed by fat bastards in shit clothes - and I hate it.
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I have to be careful this morning - I have a Liverpool mate, a ST holder and someone I’ve known and respected for years.
But since last night he’s been absolutely raging about the referee and us.
They genuinely think they’ve been robbed. I’ve stayed away from engaging as he’s so bitter about it, I think we’d end up falling out.
It’s quite unbelievable.
Bet he has no comprehension that ‘if’ the referee didn’t favour them it might have had something to do with vulgar, hyper aggressive behaviour that Klopp showed to the same referee as 4th official the other week.
What goes around comes around & is 100% on Klopp…vile individual
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If a few dicks want to pledge allegiance to God and the King then more fool them. Sign On annoys me but as I probably used to sing it on the Holte in the early 80s then I can’t really complain about others doing it now.
Well you can, it was 40 years ago!
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I forgot to watch Ref watch on Sky this morning. Did anyone get round to watching it as I'm sure the disallowed goal would have been gone over with a fine tooth comb to end up with the 'should have stood' result?
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I forgot to watch Ref watch on Sky this morning. Did anyone get round to watching it as I'm sure the disallowed goal would have been gone over with a fine tooth comb to end up with the 'should have stood' result?
Don't think it's been mentioned but Moreno injury came about because the Liverpool player came down on him with his boot when jumping?
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Maybe (and i have not seen it mentioned here) that there are some pretty patriotic people within the Villa supporting contingent.
Not everyone who sings it is a racist, King / Royal loving Xenophobe - it represents our Country and the country am very proud of.
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Maybe (and i have not seen it mentioned here) that there are some pretty patriotic people within the Villa supporting contingent.
Not everyone who sings it is a racist, King / Royal loving Xenophobe - it represents our Country and the country am very proud of.
Do you sing it at football matches?
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It’s now a thing to sing the National Anthem to wind up 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', don’t see a problem with it if it works.
Agreed. Also, football fans signing football songs. The horror.
It's not a football song.
The song they play at the start of every cup final.
Sorry. Another quote fail.
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Anything is a football song if its sung by football fans.
Whether it's the country and western ditties we sing about McGinn or HEITS, to mid 80s cheese Just Push it by Salt n Pepper, Irish Folk about the (absolutely legitimate claim) that we're the by far the greatest team, the world has ever seen or Italian dance bangers which are good enough to get everybody at B6 belting out, early 20th century music hall tunes that have some choice Anglo-Saxon in it. Anything. Including the national anthem. There's nothing sacred.
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I forgot to watch Ref watch on Sky this morning. Did anyone get round to watching it as I'm sure the disallowed goal would have been gone over with a fine tooth comb to end up with the 'should have stood' result?
Dermot Gallagher thought it was the correct decision, Sue Smith and Stephen Warnock thought it was a goal. Regarding the Tyrone incident, all 3 of them thought it was a red.
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It’s now a thing to sing the National Anthem to wind up 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', don’t see a problem with it if it works.
Agreed. Also, football fans signing football songs. The horror.
It's not a football song.
I was referring to the singing of football songs as was mentoned in the previous posts.
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I forgot to watch Ref watch on Sky this morning. Did anyone get round to watching it as I'm sure the disallowed goal would have been gone over with a fine tooth comb to end up with the 'should have stood' result?
Dermot Gallagher thought it was the correct decision, Sue Smith and Stephen Warnock thought it was a goal. Regarding the Tyrone incident, all 3 of them thought it was a red.
Thought it should have been red myself. Tyrone has a bit of that in him once or twice a season. Was there a bit of previous with Gakpo earlier in the game?
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We couldn’t have complained if he had been red carded however there have been plenty of other examples ie Jota on Skipp where reds aren’t given so….feck em
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Looks like a red to me. The stud showing and not trying to bring foot down or out of the way
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Didn't one of ours get kicked in the head recently and it wasn't even a foul or barely mentioned after?
Fucking Liverpool bias hysteria means the incident is being scrutinised so so much more than it needs to be. Was a yellow, nothing more.
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Looks like a red to me. The stud showing and not trying to bring foot down or out of the way
Well, he gets the ball and does turn over his ankle after making contact with it. He had every intention of getting to the ball, and did. It certainly wasn't malicious or have an intent to injure behind it - just unfortunate, really..
Digne took studs to the eyesocket and we weren't moaning about it 48 hours on. Liverpool really are a sad crop of whiners.
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Looks like a red to me. The stud showing and not trying to bring foot down or out of the way
Well, he gets the ball and does turn over his ankle after making contact with it. He had every intention of getting to the ball, and did. It certainly wasn't malicious or have an intent to injure behind it - just unfortunate, really..
Digne took studs to the eyesocket and we weren't moaning about it 48 hours on. Liverpool really are a sad crop of whiners.
Yeah, forgot about that. Didn't even get shown on the highlights.
They're so conditioned to having everything their own way for so long that if anything goes against them they think it's some conspiracy. Kind of like white racist nutjobs in the US.
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Maybe (and i have not seen it mentioned here) that there are some pretty patriotic people within the Villa supporting contingent.
Not everyone who sings it is a racist, King / Royal loving Xenophobe - it represents our Country and the country am very proud of.
It's about the reigning monarch. And nothing else.
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Maybe (and i have not seen it mentioned here) that there are some pretty patriotic people within the Villa supporting contingent.
Not everyone who sings it is a racist, King / Royal loving Xenophobe - it represents our Country and the country am very proud of.
Do you sing it at football matches?
Yep, at cup finals and to wind scousers up.
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They've asked PGMOL to explain why they didn't get the sending off & goal decision. They'll be going to court next looking for loss of earnings.
We can assume we'll be back to getting fuck all decisions when we go back next season. I'm sure they'll remind everyone of how they were cheated in the build up to the next game. Wankers...
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They've asked PGMOL to explain why they didn't get the sending off & goal decision. They'll be going to court next looking for loss of earnings.
We can assume we'll be back to getting fuck all decisions when we go back next season. I'm sure they'll remind everyone of how they were cheated in the build up to the next game. Wankers...
It's all a distraction that comes far too easy for them. How about a self-inquiry as to why you were shit for 70 minutes?
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(https://i.ibb.co/12SHB5D/nathan-baker-chest-injury.jpg) (https://ibb.co/12SHB5D)
This didn't get a red either. I can't remember date or opponent. It's Nathan Baker
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Maybe (and i have not seen it mentioned here) that there are some pretty patriotic people within the Villa supporting contingent.
Not everyone who sings it is a racist, King / Royal loving Xenophobe - it represents our Country and the country am very proud of.
Do you sing it at football matches?
If the situation arises then yes i do
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They've asked PGMOL to explain why they didn't get the sending off & goal decision. They'll be going to court next looking for loss of earnings.
We can assume we'll be back to getting fuck all decisions when we go back next season. I'm sure they'll remind everyone of how they were cheated in the build up to the next game. Wankers...
The answer they should be given is “because you didn’t - now just shut up and fuck off”.
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Maybe (and i have not seen it mentioned here) that there are some pretty patriotic people within the Villa supporting contingent.
Not everyone who sings it is a racist, King / Royal loving Xenophobe - it represents our Country and the country am very proud of.
It's about the reigning monarch. And nothing else.
Albeit a bit of a dirge it is our countries National anthem - so when i sing it is am singing about my pride in our country rather than the King / Queen etc.
I would prefer Rule Brittania as it is more a rousing song, especially sung by many voices in unision, but this is the one we have.
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They've asked PGMOL to explain why they didn't get the sending off & goal decision. They'll be going to court next looking for loss of earnings.
We can assume we'll be back to getting fuck all decisions when we go back next season. I'm sure they'll remind everyone of how they were cheated in the build up to the next game. Wankers...
The answer they should be given is “because you didn’t - now just shut up and fuck off”.
There will not be a bedsheet or candle left on Merseyside after this injustice....fucking whining wankers
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Maybe (and i have not seen it mentioned here) that there are some pretty patriotic people within the Villa supporting contingent.
Not everyone who sings it is a racist, King / Royal loving Xenophobe - it represents our Country and the country am very proud of.
It's about the reigning monarch. And nothing else.
Albeit a bit of a dirge it is our countries National anthem - so when i sing it is am singing about my pride in our country rather than the King / Queen etc.
I would prefer Rule Brittania as it is more a rousing song, especially sung by many voices in unision, but this is the one we have.
What about My Dad Is Bigger Than Yours? That always gets me proud.
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I forgot to watch Ref watch on Sky this morning. Did anyone get round to watching it as I'm sure the disallowed goal would have been gone over with a fine tooth comb to end up with the 'should have stood' result?
Dermot Gallagher thought it was the correct decision, Sue Smith and Stephen Warnock thought it was a goal. Regarding the Tyrone incident, all 3 of them thought it was a red.
Thanks Lew. Incidentally on the Mings incident, I thought he got the ball fair and square but he carried on through which made it look bad, If he hadn't got the ball first I think he would have gone. It all depends on which team you support I suppose but I wouldn't have sent him off for it.
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I quite like the second verse where we tell the monarch they can stay if they do what we tell them.
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They've asked PGMOL to explain why they didn't get the sending off & goal decision. They'll be going to court next looking for loss of earnings.
We can assume we'll be back to getting fuck all decisions when we go back next season. I'm sure they'll remind everyone of how they were cheated in the build up to the next game. Wankers...
Hopefully the answer is just a screen grab of Klopp acting the scumbag to Brooke’s when he was 4th official and no words
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malckennedy has said all that needs to be said.
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malckennedy has said all that needs to be said.
Exactly. They have got points they shouldn't have gotten through VAR this season so if the main reason they are suddenly blarting is they might miss out on Champions League football, then play better in other games.
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Igonring anything else I think it'd have been a really harsh red card. He clearly won the ball and Gakpo was so far away from it that it's not even like he was going out of his way to 'leave one' on him. It looks bad because his foot was quite high but that's an accidental collission where Mings was, at most, a little careless. Yellow card, nothing more to see here.
I hope that now it's coming out that they're sulking to PGMOL we ask why Fabinho stamping very close to McGinn (it wasn't replayed much so no idea what contact there was) wasn't looked at again, that had far more intent to it for me.
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I wonder how many Liverpool fans saying they were robbed because Mings wasn't sent off were saying that Jota should have had a red for this a few weeks ago
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I wonder how many Liverpool fans saying they were robbed because Mings wasn't sent off were saying that Jota should have had a red for this a few weeks ago
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That one was ‘justified’ because Skipp should have been sent off before - but they are managed by a Klopp, the only manager who sees less than Wenger
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It's quite obvious that Skipp deliberately headbutts Jotas foot, he should have got a red!
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If a few dicks want to pledge allegiance to God and the King then more fool them. Sign On annoys me but as I probably used to sing it on the Holte in the early 80s then I can’t really complain about others doing it now.
Well you can, it was 40 years ago!
I sang it on the holte about 35 years ago, but i was a teenager and didn’t understand the connotations of what I was singing about, not a fully grown man, who is either too thick, too right wing or too much of both to stop and think.
Bantz, winding up the opposition, whatever, its just f**king embarrassing.
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Igonring anything else I think it'd have been a really harsh red card. He clearly won the ball and Gakpo was so far away from it that it's not even like he was going out of his way to 'leave one' on him. It looks bad because his foot was quite high but that's an accidental collission where Mings was, at most, a little careless. Yellow card, nothing more to see here.
I hope that now it's coming out that they're sulking to PGMOL we ask why Fabinho stamping very close to McGinn (it wasn't replayed much so no idea what contact there was) wasn't looked at again, that had far more intent to it for me.
That's what I thought! Honestly I'm rather surprised that this incident has got so much attention. Such is the power of the Liverpool whingefluence I guess.
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On their "offside " goal, it looked to me that four of their players were ahead of any Villa defender as the ball was crossed. This seems to have been ignored. Same as last week when Kane was offside when played through before he clattered Martinez. Strange that.....
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On their "offside " goal, it looked to me that four of their players were ahead of any Villa defender as the ball was crossed. This seems to have been ignored. Same as last week when Kane was offside when played through before he clattered Martinez. Strange that.....
Given where the free kick was taken I do wonder if one of them was judged off and the whole thing has been a misunderstanding anyway.
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They've asked PGMOL to explain why they didn't get the sending off & goal decision. They'll be going to court next looking for loss of earnings.
We can assume we'll be back to getting fuck all decisions when we go back next season. I'm sure they'll remind everyone of how they were cheated in the build up to the next game. Wankers...
See, this is why they rile other fans up. They have been major beneficiaries of decisions from officials for decades, yet as soon as they perceive that something has gone against them, they go off crying and whinging.
Of course the media is packed with their ex-players and supporters who pile in as well. Sourness blaming long grass at Villa Park when we beat them 7-2 was a corker.
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That’s a pure Ferguson tactic. Puts pressure on the next referee to be bit more accommodating.
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On their "offside " goal, it looked to me that four of their players were ahead of any Villa defender as the ball was crossed. This seems to have been ignored. Same as last week when Kane was offside when played through before he clattered Martinez. Strange that.....
Well Diaz was onside so the issue isn't there. I would be pissed if we had a goal like that scratched.
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Mings was very lucky not to get sent off.
It’s Liverpool though so tough shit, fuck them.
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On their "offside " goal, it looked to me that four of their players were ahead of any Villa defender as the ball was crossed. This seems to have been ignored. Same as last week when Kane was offside when played through before he clattered Martinez. Strange that.....
Well Diaz was onside so the issue isn't there. I would be pissed if we had a goal like that scratched.
Heard a podcast today saying Gakpo handled it before scoring anyway.
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Fantastic to see such sour grapes from such a disgusting club. They're that desperate to get into the top 4?
Wankers
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On their "offside " goal, it looked to me that four of their players were ahead of any Villa defender as the ball was crossed. This seems to have been ignored. Same as last week when Kane was offside when played through before he clattered Martinez. Strange that.....
Well Diaz was onside so the issue isn't there. I would be pissed if we had a goal like that scratched.
Heard a podcast today saying Gakpo handled it before scoring anyway.
He clearly did. (OK, not all that clear in the photo, but it's a screenshot from a video clip. Trust me!)
(https://i.ibb.co/QPySKst/IMG-1214.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QPySKst)
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Fantastic to see such sour grapes from such a disgusting club. They're that desperate to get into the top 4?
Wankers
the stream i was on kept replaying the moment he controlled it and it looked like handball so fuckem
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On their "offside " goal, it looked to me that four of their players were ahead of any Villa defender as the ball was crossed. This seems to have been ignored. Same as last week when Kane was offside when played through before he clattered Martinez. Strange that.....
The Kane offside would have been checked. If anything, this is the type of thing that should justify them opening up the mics for the VAR check to show that it does get checked.
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So after the ridiculous 10 minute's added on at Scamfield the explanation was that they were adopting the strict policy from the world cup that ALL stoppages would be added on for the remainder of the season. Last night's game between Newcastle and Leicester they seemed to revert to normal and 4 minutes were added on. The cynic in me sees a pattern. We needed an equaliser at Old Trafford and get a measly 3 minute's e/t which obviously suited Utd. Liverpool needed a goal and they found 10 fkn minute's. Leicester needed a goal and were on top and they added 4 minute's. The three clubs that generate the most revenue got what they wanted. I include Newcastle now they have the world's richest financial backers in the game. Maybe I'm getting more paranoid in my old age but you look at that and couple it with the endless favours certain clubs seem to get from var and it just looks corrupt to me.
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For me, rather than outright brown envelope corruption it's systemic bias, in the same way courts or police will punish people differently according to their race or class.
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It’s all amplified and reinforced by the media too. I read the report on the BBC that casually described the game as two points dropped for Liverpool. When in reality it was a point gained by them.
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Bingo was aghast about time wasting, pointing out that is happened across the game. The hypocrisy of managers knows no bounds.
Had they won I bet he'd have kept his toothy mouth shut.
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So after the ridiculous 10 minute's added on at Scamfield the explanation was that they were adopting the strict policy from the world cup that ALL stoppages would be added on for the remainder of the season.
I've heard that as well. However, was that communicated widely before the games at the weekend? I hope it doesn't become the norm.
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Wonder if the games in midweek are subject to the same injury time rules as they were games originally part of different game weeks? Changing rules mid season without compelling reason ie covid is either incompetence or downright corrupt.
The injury time one would have been easy to say that as of next season we will be doing this and publicising it properly.
Clowns
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So after the ridiculous 10 minute's added on at Scamfield the explanation was that they were adopting the strict policy from the world cup that ALL stoppages would be added on for the remainder of the season.
I've heard that as well. However, was that communicated widely before the games at the weekend? I hope it doesn't become the norm.
I don't mind either way but what I would really like is consistency because the way it panned out the weekend only our game and the Wolves game seem to have adopted the world cup method of applying injury time. I honestly it stinks.
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For me, rather than outright brown envelope corruption it's systemic bias, in the same way courts or police will punish people differently according to their race or class.
It's a fine line between corruption and systematic bias. Will it ever stop is the real question. Personally I doubt it. Too many clubs are seen as unofficially "elite" and in the end it comes down to one thing. Filthy lucre.
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Again this is, in my opinion, just another example of why the rules should change for the clock to be stopped when the ball is dead and play 2 30 minutes of in-play halves.
It handles time-wasting, it removes the cocerns of refs adding al lthe time the rich teams need, it gives everyone in the ground a realistic record of how long there is left to play and, importantly, it does nothing to reduce the amount of actual football that gets played in the vast majority of cases (the average ball-in-play time is around 55-56minutes across the top leagues in the last 15-20 years).
For all the bitching about it by people like Klopp when it goes against them they won't back a in-play clock idea not because of some desire to uphold tradition but because breaking play and killing games is a fundamental tool for the successful sides and the bitching is mostly about other clubs having the gall to do it back to them.
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I thought that they introduced this directly after the WC and that it had gradually fallen by the wayside? There are more questions yet again about interpretation that only gives more weight to the conspiracy theories.
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For me, rather than outright brown envelope corruption it's systemic bias, in the same way courts or police will punish people differently according to their race or class.
It's a fine line between corruption and systematic bias. Will it ever stop is the real question. Personally I doubt it. Too many clubs are seen as unofficially "elite" and in the end it comes down to one thing. Filthy lucre.
Nah, we have seen how VAR can be manipulated and now with officials being given licence to add on as much time as they see fit, it's going to get worse.
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Do broadcasters want endless amounts of added time/ - I'd think not for scheduling reasons. Ergo, paul_e's latest post about clock-stopping and 2 halves of 30 minutes seems to make sense for all concerned.
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I thought that they introduced this directly after the WC and that it had gradually fallen by the wayside? There are more questions yet again about interpretation that only gives more weight to the conspiracy theories.
Also, if they really had issued a directive last weekend how about communicating that to the wider world beforehand so those attending the games understand instead of seemingly rolling it out as an excuse afterwards?
They're so not-fit-for-purpose it's as though they were run by Dido Harding
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Do broadcasters want endless amounts of added time/ - I'd think not for scheduling reasons. Ergo, paul_e's latest post about clock-stopping and 2 halves of 30 minutes seems to make sense for all concerned.
It's not just broadcasters, having a more accurate idea of how long is left in each half is beneficial to pretty much everyone.
Team defending a lead can count down the seconds.
Team needing a goal can see exactly how desperate things are.
Fans can see how long to wait for a piss/pint/pie.
Staff know exactly when to expect that influx.
Officials have clear and transparent control of the game.
Literally the only thing I can think of that counts as a negative is that there is potential for time that kick off at the same time to finish at very different times but that happens with this 10minutes each half thing anyway and the times where it actually matters are fairly uncommon.
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From time to time there is outrage and pearl clutching over something in the game that is dressed up as ruining the game, the end of football as we know it etc etc. Too many games, kick off times, other clubs getting more rest between games, simulation, refs that target certain teams, not enough subs, too many subs, playing League Cup games, playing any cup games, thuggish opposition, teams playing within their limitations and not opening up, every single refereeing decision under the sun, time wasting, international call ups, the African Cup of Nations and the grass being too long on pitches.
In reality it's driven by desperate and hypocritical Managers unable to cope with setbacks who look for someone or something else to blame and aided by a compliant and toothless media we end up with shit like VAR that strangles that cheer in everyone's throat.
The only problem with football is people like Klopp.
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Klopp is a moaning little b*tch. I'm glad we've rattled him.
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So after the ridiculous 10 minute's added on at Scamfield the explanation was that they were adopting the strict policy from the world cup that ALL stoppages would be added on for the remainder of the season.
I've heard that as well. However, was that communicated widely before the games at the weekend? I hope it doesn't become the norm.
I don't mind either way but what I would really like is consistency because the way it panned out the weekend only our game and the Wolves game seem to have adopted the world cup method of applying injury time. I honestly it stinks.
Spurs' game had about 9 minutes as well I think though, amazingly, Manyoo (who only had a one goal lead over Bournemouth) only ended up playing four minutes, so I can only assume nothing of note happened in their second half.
The whole thing is an absolute shower of shit.
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I thought that they introduced this directly after the WC and that it had gradually fallen by the wayside? There are more questions yet again about interpretation that only gives more weight to the conspiracy theories.
Also, if they really had issued a directive last weekend how about communicating that to the wider world beforehand so those attending the games understand instead of seemingly rolling it out as an excuse afterwards?
They're so not-fit-for-purpose it's as though they were run by Dido Harding
They did a similar interpretation change earlier on in the season where they booked "the third man" who approached the ref in the same weekend. A wolves player was sent off, a city player got a yellow. Strangely the approach was dropped soon after that.
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Fantastic to see such sour grapes from such a disgusting club. They're that desperate to get into the top 4?
Wankers
This.