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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Steve67 on May 13, 2023, 04:59:26 PM
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Six points off them this season. Becoming a habit, winning at home and beating Tottenham. Well done Villa.
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We deserved more scorchios but who cares. Just needed to win.
Good result.
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Lovely stuff. Well done.
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Never in doubt.
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Didn't see the game but great result and enjoy the weekend all. Even Bailey got an assist!
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Fabulous after two defeats. First double over Spurs since 1996. Only need one more win to equal wins tally of 18 from same 1995-96 season which is still our second best Prem wins tally after BFRs runners up year. Bloody marvelous. Fuck you Harry Kane.
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Great result. Beer will taste even better..
Good WE to all...
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Deserved win in the end.
Spurs really offered very little over 90 minutes.
They'll be where Chelsea currently are next season if there's no Kane.
Regardless of how the last two games play out we've got tremendous building blocks in place to have a serious go next season, let's do it.
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Superb,still raging about Kane though. I wish he was called out as a cheat .And he was offside.
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Man that feels good!
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Great win. Saturday night would be great but I have to attend a jazz concert later this evening.
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6 consecutive home league wins. 1 goal conceded in them, and that was a dodgy penalty.
Overall since Arsenal
PL13 W9 D2 L2 F20 A6
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A great result, that I would have snapped your hand off before kick-off, but given how dominant we were in the first-half I'm a little disappointed that after going 2-0 up we didn't get the goals needed to go ahead of them in the table.
Unpopular opinion I know, but I actually thought it was a penalty. He played for it, yes, but it was begrudgingly a nice piece of skill to make sure his touch chipped the ball over the diving goalie, knowing he will dive in front of him and allow him to make contact. I'm just grateful he was heading away from goal so there was no extra card for Emi.
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When was the last time we took 6 points from one of the Sky 6?
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All good.
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Phew.
Kane looked offside for his pen.
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6 consecutive home league wins. 1 goal conceded in them, and that was a dodgy penalty.
Overall since Arsenal
PL13 W9 D2 L2 F20 A6
Pretty impressive stats PWS. Hopefully, some of the players we are after, watched that today and can't wait to join us.
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When was the last time we took 6 points from one of the Sky 6?
Chelsea a few weeks back
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Great win. Saturday night would be great but I have to attend a jazz concert later this evening.
Jackson Jeffrey Jackson and the new head hunters, nice!
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We'll pass Spuds soon and the world gets a little closer to finding its correct axis again.
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Great win. Saturday night would be great but I have to attend a jazz concert later this evening.
Jackson Jeffrey Jackson and the new head hunters, nice!
Is that with the legendary 'Clam' on bass?
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Supporting Villa isn’t good for your health! Great performance although should have scored more. What a horrendous cheating ****** Kane is, the shit monosyllabic fucktard.
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When was the last time we took 6 points from one of the Sky 6?
Chelsea a few weeks back
We lost the home game.
20/21 we took 6 points off Arsenal
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Has Douglas Luiz scored from a free kick before?
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We will still be mathematically in with a chance of Europe come the Brighton game regardless of what happens inbetween
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League double over spurs. Score flatters them.
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Great result, well done Villa. I'm very profound this evening.
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The last time we doubled Spurs, Gina G was rep'ing the UK at the Eurovision with "Ooh Aah... Just A Little Bit (Ooh Aah,
Paul McGrath A Little Bit More)".
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We were the far better team today. Our back line played their forwards perfectly and their only goal was an absolute disgrace. Well worked home win, onwards and upwards!
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We will still be mathematically in with a chance of Europe come the Brighton game regardless of what happens inbetween
That's mad.
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Brilliant first half, bit of a drop in the second, but more than deserved win. Kane proved yet again what a dirty bastard he is, but will get away with it as usual.
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A great result, that I would have snapped your hand off before kick-off, but given how dominant we were in the first-half I'm a little disappointed that after going 2-0 up we didn't get the goals needed to go ahead of them in the table.
Unpopular opinion I know, but I actually thought it was a penalty. He played for it, yes, but it was begrudgingly a nice piece of skill to make sure his touch chipped the ball over the diving goalie, knowing he will dive in front of him and allow him to make contact. I'm just grateful he was heading away from goal so there was no extra card for Emi.
I agree. I'm still annoyed that Kane could have been just as second clinical with his second penalty against France.
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In spite of our lofty sense of fair play and justice, in the future we will need players that transcend the rulebook and get the decisions that give us the edge. We have one in Emi, had one in Young who is not the future, and we now need to add to that.
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Phew.
Kane looked offside for his pen.
I thought that, he looked off to me.
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Thoroughly deserved win, would have been a travesty if Spurs had got anything out of that, the score flatters them.
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Did Son have a goal ruled out at the very end? My watch showed a notification - 2-2 SON. But then it disappeared.
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The last time we doubled Spurs, Gina G was rep'ing the UK at the Eurovision with "Ooh Aah... Just A Little Bit (Ooh Aah, Paul McGrath A Little Bit More)".
Co-written and produced by a distant cousin of mine. As claims to fame go it's on the shit side, but so were Spurs today, so, well, you know.
It says something about how far we've come under Emery that I'm disappointed we didn't keep a clean sheet 😊 UTV
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I just can’t wait to see what Emery is able to do with serious investment. We have one or two legitimately top players, but really a lot of good ones that in a number of cases are overachieving. And all credit to all concerned. But to make the jump and remain consistently in the top 6 and aiming for top 4, we are 4/5 very high quality players away this summer and 1/2 each window thereafter.
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Did Son have a goal ruled out at the very end? My watch showed a notification - 2-2 SON. But then it disappeared.
No. It was not a goal. He was clearly offside and Villa players allowed him on run on and score for amusement.
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Did Son have a goal ruled out at the very end? My watch showed a notification - 2-2 SON. But then it disappeared.
One of those times where he's clearly offside but the linesman doesn't raise his flag so that it can go to a VAR check. He did score but it was never going to stand.
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Did Son have a goal ruled out at the very end? My watch showed a notification - 2-2 SON. But then it disappeared.
No. It was not a goal. He was clearly offside and Villa players allowed him on run on and score for amusement.
good :) - thanks, my stream had frozen so I shit myself when that notification came in.
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Has Douglas Luiz scored from a free kick before?
Apparently not, although he has scored direct from a corner.
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I think a corner is technically a free kick.
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Fantastic first half but took the foot off the accelerator in the second.
Deserved win. McGinn man of the match.
Well done Unai & Co.
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Followed the game on here and on sky. Got to admit when Tim Sherwood was our manager I quite liked the bloke, but I don’t think there has been a more biased pundit since Sky used to wheel out George Best for Man U games.
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McGinn was a monster from start to finish - absolutely brilliant performance.
Ramsey back to his best and our defence looking calm and assured, both with and without the ball. We should have won that 5 or 6 to 1.
Spurs best player today by a country mile was Peter Banks...and I bloody hate these delayed offside calls with a passion.
Well done everyone, but especially the Sultan of Unai.
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The delayed offsides would have been acceptable if they were consistent. We got flagged almost immediately.
I thought it was going to be a penalty, as I was in line and you know Kane knows how to buy them. VAR took ages, so presumably that was checking offside.
Ollie is off the boil a bit, but we were very good today, especially McGinn and Luiz (one error excepted) and the defence were very solid against a top forward line.
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Literally the only attack they weren't offside from all fucking day and we never see a replay of just a declaration from Gillet that it's onside so can he can give a pen.
Why always us with the dodgy decisions.
Anyway, Unai the Goat roll on next season.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-tottenham/report/464986
Contains the video highlights. Fucking hell, how the ref and var decided that the striker kicking the ball out then dragging their foot over the prone keeper is a deliberate foul I will never know. Unfortunately they don't look at the offside aspect of it.
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Given how close our and Spuds' goal differences are, let's hope that Europe qualification doesnt come down to the net two goal swing courtesy of Kane's pen.
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I must be the only person who thought it was a penalty. Anyhow, who cares, we won and deservedly so. I think we need to be a tad more clinical but fair fucks, we're going places whatever happens. We controlled most of the game, just as the manager wants us to.
What Emery and his team have done with our defence, in particular, is little short of miraculous. I can't remember seeing such a well-drilled offside trap, and the way the whole team slots back into position when we lose possession is very slick. Martinez is obviously key to this with his ability to anticipate and sweep up, but Konsa is looking great again and Mings... Well he's imperious. Since Emery arrived he's been channelling the spirit of Laursen and barely put a foot wrong. Just brilliant.
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Emery El Maestro 2-1 Mason El Tradesman.
A performance that demonstrates how good of a coach our man is. I never thought we'd lose this game because the coaching level between the two are so vastly different.
Footy intelligence Vs non footy intelligence. Like how many offsides do you want Tottenham?
The defence as a whole has learned a lot and Emery is making the team utter professionals, as a whole it was fantastic 3pts and 2-1 doesn't do justice but I'm focused on performances and many players today were exceptional from the club captain Young to the Captain McGinn to Ramsay showing his dynamism.
Hooray for Em'ray
Up The Villa.
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Literally the only attack they weren't offside from all fucking day and we never see a replay of just a declaration from Gillet that it's onside so can he can give a pen.
Why always us with the dodgy decisions.
Anyway, Unai the Goat roll on next season.
You could argue why always Spurs getting them recently. I think their last six matches they have benefitted from dodgy Var calls, either not calling blatant ones for the Opposition or giving dodgy calls to Spurs.
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Football fact:
When Unai took over, we were 14 points behind Spurs.
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Not a penalty.
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Football fact:
When Unai took over, we were 14 points behind Spurs.
We were still 14 points behind them in March.
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57 points for the season, now our best points tally since we returned to the Premier League. Hopefully Watkins will get at least 1 goal in the final 2 games to give him his best goal tally in the premier league.
My only complaint today is that it should have been more comfortable. MOTM: SJM.
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Watched that pen a few times - just don’t see it - can’t see us getting that in a million years.
Don’t see that is clear and obvious either. Bit of a joke to be honest. Would have also liked to see the lines cos it must have been tight.
If we miss out on goal difference to them in Europe - that will sting
But great results and from what I saw we were the better team
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When was the last time we took 6 points from one of the Sky 6?
Arsenal lockdown?
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Superb performance yet again. McGinn outstanding as were most of them.
Appalling refereeing confirming this country has the worst officials in world football.
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Did Son have a goal ruled out at the very end? My watch showed a notification - 2-2 SON. But then it disappeared.
Yes. Was a good 2-3 yards offside just like the first half when he hit the post but assistant didn't put his flag up for about 30 seconds. Such an annoying rule.
Our high line was fabulous today, Spurs had no answer and we saw v Liverpool they can time their runs from deep.
This is the advantage of having someone who can actually coach on training ground, imagine how bad it would look if we attempted that under the previous manager.
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I’m still trying to get my head around how Spurs were allowed to take a free kick for offside in our half.
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I’m still trying to get my head around how Spurs were allowed to take a free kick for offside in our half.
Exactly!
That was farcical.
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Watched that pen a few times - just don’t see it - can’t see us getting that in a million years.
Don’t see that is clear and obvious either. Bit of a joke to be honest. Would have also liked to see the lines cos it must have been tight.
If we miss out on goal difference to them in Europe - that will sting
But great results and from what I saw we were the better team
I suspect that the ref thought that the ball popped up because Emi blocked it, and therefore no penalty. It's what I thought in real time. The fact is, Kane chipped it over him, and I suspect that was the conversation about "clear and obvious error". If the ref tells VAR he thinks the ref got a touch, and he didn't, then I think it's probably right that VAR take him to the monitor for another look.
I didn't think it was a pen in real-time, but the moment they showed the replay with the ball being chipped over him I knew it would be.
Like you say, if we miss out on goal difference, I'll be gutted.
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McGinn was outstanding today. Looked a proper captain and a player loads of teams would want. He’s been brilliant for a while now too. Great stuff.
The resume sets us up for a meaningful end of the season, which is superb.
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Great win for the villa boys!
Am I right in thinking that 57 points is our joint equal best total since 2010? Great season in the end and still in the pack for 6th
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https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-tottenham/report/464986
Contains the video highlights. Fucking hell, how the ref and var decided that the striker kicking the ball out then dragging their foot over the prone keeper is a deliberate foul I will never know. Unfortunately they don't look at the offside aspect of it.
There was no need for Martinez to go to ground, especially as Kane needs no invite to hit the deck.
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Well done the Villa boys great result, now confirmed we will finish top half for the first time in 12 years.
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McGinn was outstanding today. Looked a proper captain and a player loads of teams would want. He’s been brilliant for a while now too. Great stuff.
The two players who I think have improved most under Emery - McGinn and Mings - just happen to be the two that Gerrard destroyed with his captaincy bollocks.
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Great result, especially as we were playing against 12 men with that useless ref....
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The last time we doubled Spurs, Gina G was rep'ing the UK at the Eurovision with "Ooh Aah... Just A Little Bit (Ooh Aah, Paul McGrath A Little Bit More)".
Co-written and produced by a distant cousin of mine. As claims to fame go it's on the shit side, but so were Spurs today, so, well, you know.
It says something about how far we've come under Emery that I'm disappointed we didn't keep a clean sheet 😊 UTV
I love shit claims to fame.
My mate's uncle wrote the lyrics for the Maltese entry to the Eurovision Song Contest in 1998(?) ... the year it was held in Birmingham anyway.
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Emery El Maestro 2-1 Mason El Tradesman.
Nice to see you about, Footy :)
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Yes, good to see you back, Footy!
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Bearing in mind they had three very good attacking players on the pitch, that was so comfortable, up until the pen anyway. Briliant.
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Excellent all round performance, well done everyone
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6 wins in a row at home - madness.
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Didn't see the game but great result and enjoy the weekend all. Even Bailey got an assist!
You'll pleased to know that sitting McGinn centrally was another stroke of genius from our manager. He totally shackled Kane when he dropped deep to create and dominated the other two midfield chumps, Skipp and Hojbjerg, with Luiz.
Excellent and dominating performance. The scoreline flattered Spurs, who are dreadful. Never a penalty, good to see Kane booked too the moaning gobshite. It would be a real shame to finish above a side as woeful as them.
The back four bossed Spurs with our ability to push up and drop quickly. Spurs offside time after time, it was pathetic.
We ought to have had it won in the first half really, but still very pleasing to be in with a shout still.
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Great first half performance. Second half we largely managed the game well apart from Dougie almost gifting them a goal. McGinn was phenomenal today.
Ref was trying to help them at all opportunities. Kane looked offside in the run up to the penalty. That goal may come back to haunt us in terms of goal difference.
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Totally bossed it and should've been 3 up before Kane did a Kane.
Having said that, from where I was in the North it looked nailed on. Haven't seen a replay yet.
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I thought the noise levels were amazing today.
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I’m still trying to get my head around how Spurs were allowed to take a free kick for offside in our half.
Exactly what I thought. But the officials today were pathetic. We attached, flag goes up. They attack, play on then offside, usually when we’re back in possession and counter attacking.
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I thought the noise levels were amazing today.
Spurs fans were the quietest I've heard this season. Our fans seem much calmer with us playing possession football now, rather than screaming "fucking get rid of it" every time it gets a bit close.
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6 wins in a row at home - madness.
Just a stunt to make sure people renew their season tickets. Normal service to resume next season.
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I’m still trying to get my head around how Spurs were allowed to take a free kick for offside in our half.
Yet when we tried to take a quick free-kick, he would stop it for a moving ball.
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I thought the noise levels were amazing today.
Pat Murphy's (yes, him!) 5 Live report was effusive in saying how noisy the place was and how obvious the bond between team and fans is.
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Just got back, my lad absolutely loved his first match...even down to booing Kane for his antics.
How didn't bury them I don't know. McGinn MotM. Duran didn't quite do it today when he came on.
Played well but need to put away these chances.
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Aston Villa have won six consecutive home league matches for the first time since February 1993.
Jacob Ramsey has scored 11 goals in the Premier League for Aston Villa, the fourth-most of any player for the club in the competition before turning 22, after Gabriel Agbonlahor (25), Darius Vassell (16) and Luke Moore (14).
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And they were all strikers. Very impressive JJ.
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I thought the noise levels were amazing today.
Pat Murphy's (yes, him!) 5 Live report was effusive in saying how noisy the place was and how obvious the bond between team and fans is.
Yeah, I heard. He said it reminded him of the VP noise of the early 80s. Good to hear him be positive about us.
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On my stream it sounded Arsenal-like until we got the second.
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Beautiful just beautiful…Outplayed the boys from the North of London, the Lion is roaring, the mighty Aston Villa are positioned nicely to resume their place as the preeminent club in England.
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Fuck that ref, fuck Harry Kane, UTV
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Aston Villa 2-1 Tottenham Hotspur: Douglas Luiz's free-kick finish seals victory - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65506024
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The penalty was exactly the sort of 'professionalism' that Kane has relied on for his whole career. Know you can't score so kick the ball anywhere and then make sure you fall into the keeper/defender. No way he scores from there if there's no contact (the ball was pretty much out of play) and the only option Martinez has is to just not make any challenge. It's bullshit and should've seen a change to the laws year ago but, just like touching the ball makes people mostly immune to giving away free kicks, creating contact in the box by running into the defender gets given far too readily by referees, and then they wonder why people dive and cheat.
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He did it to Cash last season I think. Cash slid to block the cross he thought Kane was going to do, Kane completely left the ball and just ran in front of the block and collapsed in a heap.
Be a real shame if he injured himself doing it.
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That first half today was total domination, could/should of been ahead by more but chuffed with that. Can't wait to see who Emery buys to make us an even better team.
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Pundits don't think its cheating though if he does it. If Fernandes does it - and no way am I defending the rat faced weasel - it's cheating or dubious. If Kane does it, clever old devious foxy stoat Kane.
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Yep, that’s so true Paul, allowing Kane these penalties just allows the carry on of players cheating refs. Can’t believe he’s done it again and pulled it off. It was a carbon copy of the one against Cash.
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Hes a ******. Minky musky sly old stoaty stoaty stoat.
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Aston Villa 2-1 Tottenham Hotspur: Douglas Luiz's free-kick finish seals victory - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65506024
I think his goal vrs Spurs, at their place, is my favourite of the season, too
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There was a lovely moment in the second half when they were trying to press us. Son goes to close down Konsa, and I saw him have a quick look over his shoulder. I can only presume he muttered the Korean equivalent of Kane's "what's the ****ing point?" from a few years back as he saw Ashley Young standing in 40 yards of space and not another spurs player in the same postcode.
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Hes a ******. Minky musky sly old stoaty stoaty stoat.
Righty-dokey matey-bloke flap old salty sea-dog amigo skip-jack jockstrap piano-tuner, damn right
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Aston Villa 2-1 Tottenham Hotspur: Douglas Luiz's free-kick finish seals victory - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65506024
I think his goal vrs Spurs, at their place, is my favourite of the season, too
Traore at Leicester still gets my vote I think
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I’m still trying to get my head around how Spurs were allowed to take a free kick for offside in our half.
I was absolutely furious about that, just summed up the referee who was dire!
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As soon as the second went in I was never in doubt. If we're to get a result at Anfield we'll need to start taking our chances. Spurs were lucky not to go in at least 3 down at half time.
Great to see Bouba back to playing the way he did first half of the season and despite his injury wasn't afraid to put a foot in. So many good performances today Martinez, Ashley Forever Young - what a season he's had, Konsa and Mings, Dougie, JJ, even Buendia showed some good work after a couple of dodgy performance. MOTM by a country mile, SJM and he did most of it on a booking that never should have been.
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We're the only premier league club to have two different players score a direct free-kick this season.
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I thought the noise levels were amazing today.
that chap from south of France doesn't seem to agree, can you put him right please?
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As soon as the second went in I was never in doubt. If we're to get a result at Anfield we'll need to start taking our chances. Spurs were lucky not to go in at least 3 down at half time.
Great to see Bouba back to playing the way he did first half of the season and despite his injury wasn't afraid to put a foot in. So many good performances today Martinez, Ashley Forever Young - what a season he's had, Konsa and Mings, Dougie, JJ, even Buendia showed some good work after a couple of dodgy performance. MOTM by a country mile, SJM and he did most of it on a booking that never should have been.
Kane got him booked by going down as though he had been shot and rolling about and as soon as the ref had booked SJM he got up as fresh as a daisy - wanker!
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Kane marked out of the game by McGinn. Priceless.
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Comprehensive performance, was relaxed before the game as they have a decent from 3 but a slow, gutless and unintelligent rest of the team.
McGinn was immense, everywhere!
Think I love most is you look at Buendia, Bailey, Ashley (age only) etc and you’d back Emery to have much better options in their roles next season
Kane is an absolute cheat…up there with Fernandes but obviously we aren’t allowed to say it because he is English….
The referee was abysmal, not biased just truly abysmal….my main annoyance was our first goal…how he didn’t book Romero afterwards for going straight through the back of Ollie in the build up was incomprehensible.
It’s nice to see proof that VAR is there to re-referee the game with forensic style officiating (to manufacture outcomes the PL want) rather than look for clear and obvious errors.
As for the chronic line running….as plenty have said someone will get seriously injured as a result of the ludicrous lack of flagging…
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As for the chronic line running….as plenty have said someone will get seriously injured as a result of the ludicrous lack of flagging…
But flagging and blowing up immediately means more time available in the rest of the game for players to get themselves injured (most likely doing something almost as inconsequential).
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Mings played like he was wearing slippers, he was absolutely imperious.
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I’m still trying to get my head around how Spurs were allowed to take a free kick for offside in our half.
I was absolutely furious about that, just summed up the referee who was dire!
When a player has run back into his own half from an offside position the free kick is taken from the point at which he becomes offside, (when he challenges for or touches the ball the ball), so it was correct where Spurs took the free- kick from. It’s not unusual to see that.
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That first half was absolutely magnificent.
Spuds were abysmal.
Bent officiating not incompetent.
That first goal by us we looked like a tidal wave was coming.
McGinn - just wow what a performance. The rest of the lads were outstanding too. Nice to see Kamara back.
We’ll get at least a point at the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' based on how we played today.
Uncle Unai said the players fed off the energy from the fans and vice versa. Damn right!
Thank you Unai and players for making this a special season and on an upwards trajectory, how far can we go?
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You can’t be offside in your own half though.
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Phew.
Kane looked offside for his pen.
I thought that, he looked off to me.
All penalties look offside.. they’d have to be retaken if they didn’t!
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The officiating was ridiculous today, they really need to scrap the professional refs association and start again.
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You can’t be offside in your own half though.
I know, but if he’s come back into his own half from an offside position the free kick is always taken from where he touches the ball (not where he came from).
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What's the record for one player being off side during a game? I'm guessing whatever it is that JPA owns it but my god, Son must have ran him close today.
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You can’t be offside in your own half though.
I know, but if he’s come back into his own half from an offside position the free kick is always taken from where he touches the ball (not where he came from).
That’s not what happened though.
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The officiating was ridiculous today, they really need to scrap the professional refs association and start again.
I thought that for a while. Scrap PGMOL and bring in overseas' officials while something else us set up.
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The officiating was ridiculous today, they really need to scrap the professional refs association and start again.
Yep refs and linos all abysmal today.
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I cannot wait for the end of season arguments over player of season.
Emi
Young
Mings
Dougie
Watkins
Kamara
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I cannot wait for the end of season arguments over player of season.
Emi
Young
Mings
Dougie
Watkins
Kamara
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=63958.0
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McGinn using his arse and rolling the opposition at will, had Kane on his arse a couple of times. He was here, there and everywhere, particularly in the first half and his partnership with Doug was the foundation on which the victory was built. It was generally a brilliant team performance.
Romero had a couple of challenges that he got away with before he was booked whereas Skipp and McGinn got booked for first offences, that’s what makes the referees so annoying.
That ball that Moreno played across towards the end of the first half was magnificent after a great ball by Doug, just a pity we didn’t have anyone on the end of it.
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Hes a ******. Minky musky sly old stoaty stoaty stoat.
Righty-dokey matey-bloke flap old salty sea-dog amigo skip-jack jockstrap piano-tuner, damn right
Absolute classic comedy, my favourite programme as a youngish teenager. Loved the Gas Man episode in particular.
Aside from that, back to winning ways today Villa boys. Happy days.
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Good to see Richarlison obliterate his record of having a decent game whenever I watched him. Had 9 touches before being hauled off today.
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You can’t be offside in your own half though.
I know, but if he’s come back into his own half from an offside position the free kick is always taken from where he touches the ball (not where he came from).
That’s not what happened though.
What happened then? I was thinking of the Bailey incident in front of the dugout, though admittedly that was a few pints ago.
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The officiating was ridiculous today, they really need to scrap the professional refs association and start again.
I thought that for a while. Scrap PGMOL and bring in overseas' officials while something else us set up.
Absolutely this.
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PGMOL is right up there with the Met as a failing organisation.
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https://twitter.com/VillaPaddy/status/1657453614481195009?t=FUYhynPp_udK9TTKTC7uuw&s=19
What's the difference?
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Deserved win. Was hoping to push on for the third in last 10 but ended up being a bit nervy. I thought it was a pen from North Upper. Well chuffed to be going into last two matches with chance of European qualification. Have been worried about missing out but what will be, will be. Has been a tremendous calendar year.
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I thought the noise levels were amazing today.
that chap from south of France doesn't seem to agree, can you put him right please?
Well, the long spells of chattering were loud I suppose. I only got the impression of noise towards the end. But I was watching on a stream and that is what it was like for me. So there!
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You can’t be offside in your own half though.
I know, but if he’s come back into his own half from an offside position the free kick is always taken from where he touches the ball (not where he came from).
It's not, it's taken from where the linesman gives it. The same as any other offside.
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https://twitter.com/VillaPaddy/status/1657453614481195009?t=FUYhynPp_udK9TTKTC7uuw&s=19
What's the difference?
One has Harry Kane, pet of the Sky 6 and glorious England captain, the other doesn't.
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You can’t be offside in your own half though.
I know, but if he’s come back into his own half from an offside position the free kick is always taken from where he touches the ball (not where he came from).
It's not, it's taken from where the linesman gives it. The same as any other offside.
No it’s not, it’s taken from where the offence occurs. There is a difference between “offside offence” and “offside position”. So a player who was in an offside position who then comes back into his own half and immediately challenges an opponent or touches the ball has committed the offence in his own half and that is where the free kick is taken from.
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You can’t be offside in your own half though.
I know, but if he’s come back into his own half from an offside position the free kick is always taken from where he touches the ball (not where he came from).
It's not, it's taken from where the linesman gives it. The same as any other offside.
No it’s not, it’s taken from where the offence occurs. There is a difference between “offside offence” and “offside position”. So a player who was in an offside position who then comes back into his own half and immediately challenges an opponent or touches the ball has committed the offence in his own half and that is where the free kick is taken from.
Nope
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I stand corrected. Every day's a school day.
If an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick where the offence occurred, including if it is in the player’s own half of the field of play.
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This from the FA website.
4. Offences and sanctions
If an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick where the offence occurred, including if it is in the player’s own half of the field of play.
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You can’t be offside in your own half though.
I know, but if he’s come back into his own half from an offside position the free kick is always taken from where he touches the ball (not where he came from).
It's not, it's taken from where the linesman gives it. The same as any other offside.
No it’s not, it’s taken from where the offence occurs. There is a difference between “offside offence” and “offside position”. So a player who was in an offside position who then comes back into his own half and immediately challenges an opponent or touches the ball has committed the offence in his own half and that is where the free kick is taken from.
Nope
The laws of the game state…
If an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free-kick where the offence occurred, including if it is in the player’s own half of the field of play.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one without something better to do on a Saturday night!
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Sorry I didn’t see your reply quoting the rule before repeating what you’d already said!
I’ll go and saw cricket rules now to get me to sleep.
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Having watched the pen on MotD even more convinced it’s dreadful officiating…there is no telling if Emi gets a touch on the ball…no way clear and obvious…ref had an opinion which was corner, VAR had no proof just a guess that it was a pen & once sent to screen the VAR won the argument. Poor use of VAR powers, gutless refereeing. Wish they’d blow those bloody screens up, utter waste of time.
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https://twitter.com/VillaPaddy/status/1657453614481195009?t=FUYhynPp_udK9TTKTC7uuw&s=19
What's the difference?
One has Harry Kane, pet of the Sky 6 and glorious England captain, the other doesn't.
Exactly. I've just been speaking to my Spurzzzz supporter Brother in US and he agreed that it was not a penalty. In fact he went as far to say that he is getting sick of Kane going down any time anyone goes near him.
He is not happy with Spurzzz at all but at least had to decency to agree that the far superior team won.
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https://twitter.com/VillaPaddy/status/1657453614481195009?t=FUYhynPp_udK9TTKTC7uuw&s=19
What's the difference?
One has Harry Kane, pet of the Sky 6 and glorious England captain, the other doesn't.
Spurs fan on that twitter stated ball was out of play. When pointed out contact was made with Watkins before ball was out of play the same as the ball would have gone out if Kane hadn't fallen, then changed his excuse that Spurs Keeper made no contact with Watkins.
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Ian Wright seemed dubious about our highline and how we're playing with fire.
Edit - see that it has its own thread.
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Good to see Richarlison obliterate his record of having a decent game whenever I watched him. Had 9 touches before being hauled off today.
Finally all these years on, Agbonlahor's nine touches, including two kick-offs, in a game at White Hart Lane under Big 'Eck has been repaid.
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Slow it down and the sequence goes, Kane gets to the ball first, the goalie parries the ball awaw and then Kane falls over the goalie. Emi was motionless when Kane fell over him. bad decision.
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What makes me question the application here is as follows: the onfield referee doesn’t award a penalty. VAR then intervenes. So the threshold has to be high as a ‘clear and obvious’ error. If it takes them 5 minutes to decide it’s a penalty it’s not clear and obvious.
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Hes a ******. Minky musky sly old stoaty stoaty stoat.
Righty-dokey matey-bloke flap old salty sea-dog amigo skip-jack jockstrap piano-tuner, damn right
Absolute classic comedy, my favourite programme as a youngish teenager. Loved the Gas Man episode in particular.
Aside from that, back to winning ways today Villa boys. Happy days.
I went to see Bottom Live when I was 12 years old in 2001 (Arse Oddity tour) at the NEC. I have no idea how that was allowed, by them or my parents!
Aside from that, f**k Kane and f**k Spurs.
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I watched it on TV in Hong Kong as I’m travelling with work.
I thought the penalty was pretty clear cut to be honest. It’s annoying Watkins wasn’t given that similar one a couple of seasons ago - that should have been given. But Kane’s yesterday was a clear pen in my view, and likely to be given by VAR once the ref had not awarded it. And it was checked for offside, and wasn’t offside.
We should have been more than 1-0 up at half time, which made the second half more nerve wracking than it could have been. Thought McGinn and Douggie were outstanding, Mings good too. Ollie is definitely now out of his hot streak.
One other thing: lots of pundits saying “what a waste of time” letting - for example - Son play on and score when he’s probably offside. I kind of get it, but I think the rationale is good. If we’re going to have VAR I would rather have good goals allowed that otherwise wouldn’t have been, even if that’s one in four or one on five of the times play is allowed to continue. The alternative is to revert to the assistants putting their flags up straight away obviously, ruling out some good goals / chances when they get it wrong. I would probably rather just not have VAR though!
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Mings played like he was wearing slippers, he was absolutely imperious.
It’s not the sort of thing our Gareth appreciates. Also he likes his CB’s to sit on the bench for their club.
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If the linesman isnt sure, why isnt it checked by VAR? If he is sure then put the flag up. After waiting then putting up the flag there was no var check for sons goal.
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Only need one more win to equal wins tally of 18 from same 1995-96 season which is still our second best Prem wins tally after BFRs runners up year.
… and 92/93 was a 42 game season. Emery’s impact has already been amazing, but to break our record for a 38 game season after Gerard’s start would be otherworldly. Makes the last two games exciting regardless of European qualification.
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If the linesman isnt sure, why isnt it checked by VAR? If he is sure then put the flag up. After waiting then putting up the flag there was no var check for sons goal.
He was sure, but they are told not to put it up, so to speak. "... until the passage of play is completed" is the form of words.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/1833470
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No doubt this will be another rule u-turn next season. It’s ridiculous.
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No doubt this will be another rule u-turn next season. It’s ridiculous.
Never understood it. I suppose they had their reasons.
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If the linesman isnt sure, why isnt it checked by VAR? If he is sure then put the flag up. After waiting then putting up the flag there was no var check for sons goal.
There was a VAR check on Sons ‘goal’
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I agree with Vegas, playing on makes sense because it stops early flags denying possible good goals. It was just more obvious yesterday because they were offside a million times.
The only one that seemed excessively long yesterday was when Kane clearly looked off after a corner or free kick and the flag was miles afterwards. I assumed by that point we would play on and they would check if it led to a goal, which it never really looked like it would.
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An incredibly satisfying win even if the last 6 minutes were torture. The high-line is not good for the old ticker.
As a minor aside, Jon Duran's cameo was probably the rawest performance I've ever seen at this level. He was like a bull in search of a matador.
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I agree with Vegas, playing on makes sense because it stops early flags denying possible good goals. It was just more obvious yesterday because they were offside a million times.
The only one that seemed excessively long yesterday was when Kane clearly looked off after a corner or free kick and the flag was miles afterwards. I assumed by that point we would play on and they would check if it led to a goal, which it never really looked like it would.
There's playing on because it's tight, but yesterday was ridiculous.
And then after Spurs had scored and they were chasing an equaliser, Duran was offside and the flag went up immediately so Spurs could take the free kick quickly.
They were fucking bent yesterday, I only saw the Watkins incident on the highlights last night, how was that not given but Kane's was?
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Kane’s a fucking cheat but he plays for Spurs and England so he’s the darling of the media. And while I’m being petty, I hate the way he speaks - he sounds like he’s wearing someone else’s teeth. Looking back at this season, one of the (many) highlights for me has been doing the double over these arrogant Hertfordshire show ponies.
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Our Villa are getting smarter and smarter.
Just watched MOTD and noticed on our second goal, Watkins was fouled directly on the semi circle of the 18 yard box.
Luiz took the free kick at least 3 yards further back from where the foul was committed, no doubt to help with elevation.
Spurs were smart with their 'offside' free kicks (see earlier posters) but, we were smarter. :)
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Our Villa are getting smarter and smarter.
Just watched MOTD and noticed on our second goal, Watkins was fouled directly on the semi circle of the 18 yard box.
Luiz took the free kick at least 3 yards further back, no doubt to help with elevation.
Spurs were smart with their 'offside' free kicks (see earlier posters) but, we were smarter. :)
Absolutely…probably what the pathetic cheating man child in the number 10 shirt was moaning about :-)
If the ref had done his job properly on our first goal Romero would have had first use of the bath for that challenge for the second
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Three things irritate me with the lack of flagging for obvious offsides:
1) it’s a waste of everybody’s time.
2) Villa players have to go to the effort of defending the fouls shot. I’d be peeved if Martinez picked up an injury in the process.
3) it allows the press to say ‘Son had a goal disallowed’ which makes it seem like the game was a lot closer than ‘Son was offside’ which probably wouldn’t make the edit.
If it’s obviously offside as most of them were, then flag them. I prefer the old ways.
And that penalty. Kane will do that sort of thing if the referees aren’t up to scratch.
Good win for Villa. I thought McGinn and Doug were very good. Loved the mix of skill and niggle in McGinn’s game.
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If the linesman isnt sure, why isnt it checked by VAR? If he is sure then put the flag up. After waiting then putting up the flag there was no var check for sons goal.
You could see for the first one when Son hit the post, the linesman looked utterly confused. He should have flagged when Son hit the post but then seemed put off doing so when it rebounded to Kane. I guess he thought it needed to go on to see if Kane scored and then be checked.
I don't mind it being allowed to carry on until there is a conclusion which then can be reviewed, but that example with Son hitting the post and Kane getting involved is where it can get confusing.
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Those new player introductions just before kick off are, erm, interesting.
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Those new player introductions just before kick off are, erm, interesting.
The legend that is Ashley Young
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Does anyone know when was the last time we did the double over Tottenham?
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Does anyone know when was the last time we did the double over Tottenham?
95/6, 2-1 at home, 1-0 away. Did the double over them the season before as well.
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Does anyone know when was the last time we did the double over Tottenham?
Looks like we did it in 94-95 (when we were shit) and 95-96 (when we were good). So actually 4 wins in a row. Yes I did have to look it up!
Also, we went 14 games unbeaten against them in the early to mid nineties!
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A big thumbs up to playing Tom Petty's 'Won't Back Down' after the last two wins, because its a fucking great song
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Ben Fisher in the Observer said:
"this deserved victory was a 2-1 trouncing"
Although they had a couple of chances (that weren't offside) I think that's a reasonable description.
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I thought the penalty was pretty questionable, looked to me like Kane ran into and tripped over Martinez rather than Martinez actually tripping / fouling Kane.
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Kane’s a fucking cheat but he plays for Spurs and England so he’s the darling of the media. And while I’m being petty, I hate the way he speaks - he sounds like he’s wearing someone else’s teeth. Looking back at this season, one of the (many) highlights for me has been doing the double over these arrogant Hertfordshire show ponies.
Just been watching replays of it again and he's on the way down before he even makes contact with Martinez. He also initiates that contact and from a couple of angles it looks like Martinez gets a touch on the ball.
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How was the foul on Watkins not given?
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It was such a dominant performance yesterday, 3 or 4 nil really wouldn’t of flattered us.
For me the most interesting thing that Emery has done, is help to turn the players that i thought we’re never going to be top half players, into absolute class acts week after week.
McGinn, Mings and Konsa were all outstanding yesterday, McGinns first half was incredible, but Mings, apart from letting one go under his foot near the end, was just imperious, not just his defending, but his ability to carry the ball out from the back, just fantastic.
Both Dougies goals against this lot this season have been things of beauty.
Ive managed to get myself a ticket for Liverpool next week, simply cannot wait, really think we can do them.
And i fooking despise Harry Kane, horrible cheating twat. Was lovely when McGinn left him on his arse in the first half.
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Those new player introductions just before kick off are, erm, interesting.
The legend that is Ashley Young
I remember how they did that before the 2015 FA Cup Final (albeit that said match did not of course happen) and the announcer clearly couldn’t think of anything to say about Nathan Baker!
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I thought the penalty was pretty questionable, looked to me like Kane ran into and tripped over Martinez rather than Martinez actually tripping / fouling Kane.
He won the penalty because Kane had the intellect to flip the ball up over Emi's arms, inviting the challenge and giving the referee no choice really, once he'd seen the monitor. I really dislike Tottenham and I hope we leave them behind now.
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Did Martinez get to the ball before Kane threw himself over?
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Did Martinez get to the ball before Kane threw himself over?
It looked like it, and Kane deliberately ran into him and dived.
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When I saw the game in real time and the immediate replays it looked like Martinez got the ball. But then the VAR angle wasn’t great and couldn’t really tell. I’d like to see those original clips again but can’t find them.
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Did Martinez get to the ball before Kane threw himself over?
I don't think he did. Kane invited the challenge and the referee fell for it once he saw the monitor. The question is, was this a clear and obvious error? The referee was so inept that VAR felt it had to step in?
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Did Martinez get to the ball before Kane threw himself over?
Referee thought so, he originally gave a corner.
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Kane’s a fucking cheat but he plays for Spurs and England so he’s the darling of the media. And while I’m being petty, I hate the way he speaks - he sounds like he’s wearing someone else’s teeth. Looking back at this season, one of the (many) highlights for me has been doing the double over these arrogant Hertfordshire show ponies.
Just been watching replays of it again and he's on the way down before he even makes contact with Martinez. He also initiates that contact and from a couple of angles it looks like Martinez gets a touch on the ball.
And just to confirm his media darling England poster boy status MOTD totally glossed over the penalty by not even mentioning it but that's obvious I suppose as Lineker once held that exact same unofficial title. It's sickening to watch. That joke of a penalty could ultimately decide who gets into the Europa league. And while I'm having a rant I must mention two of the worst refereeing decisions I've ever seen at Villa Park. The awarding of a foul to them when a player slipped and fell over with no Villa player anywhere near him and the offside decision against Ollie which they allowed them to take two yards in our half!! The officials were clearly out of their depth today. And the blatant offsides where the lino didn't flag? Ridiculous. They shouldn't be anywhere near officiating top flight football.
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My Spurs supporting friend’s take is that Kane is cute and it was a definite pen and our free kick was very soft and the keeper should have saved it.
Long and short of it, we handed them their arses!
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Still, at least it wasn't as bad as Vertonghen stripping Helenius of his shorts.
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Does anyone know when was the last time we did the double over Tottenham?
Looks like we did it in 94-95 (when we were shit) and 95-96 (when we were good). So actually 4 wins in a row. Yes I did have to look it up!
Also, we went 14 games unbeaten against them in the early to mid nineties!
Thanks Clark. I had mid 90s in my head but wasn’t sure. Our record against Spurs over the last 25 years is pretty abysmal, it’s abysmal against ManU too but even if we don’t manage some form of Europe competition we have at least addressed the issue of our form v these two thanks to Emery. Long may it continue.
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Kane’s a fucking cheat but he plays for Spurs and England so he’s the darling of the media. And while I’m being petty, I hate the way he speaks - he sounds like he’s wearing someone else’s teeth. Looking back at this season, one of the (many) highlights for me has been doing the double over these arrogant Hertfordshire show ponies.
Just been watching replays of it again and he's on the way down before he even makes contact with Martinez. He also initiates that contact and from a couple of angles it looks like Martinez gets a touch on the ball.
The referee gave a corner so he must’ve seen a touch from Martinez. It seems like the attempts to clamp down on diving doesn’t apply to the penalty box. Outside the box there is a clear change where free kicks won’t be given as easily as last season but inside they’ll give a penalty for “contact.” The ridiculous handball rule appears to change game by game causing even more confusion. The ref yesterday allowed consistent fouling early on by Spurs and then the first dubious foul against hero Kane and the card was out. Man City do exactly the same and get away with it so allegations of favouritism appear.
The ref yesterday appeared a bit confused and started giving them free kicks for shoulder to shoulder challenges, the one not long after the penalty against McGinn was a good example. I know we all become one eyed during a game but the inconsistency yesterday was blatantly obvious. Watching European football shows that we have some very poor referee’s compared to other countries. VAR may have helped with offsides but the rest of it is a total mess and we still get decisions that are questionable to say the least. Keep goal line technology and VAR for offsides but get rid for the rest or make the ref explain the decisions along with recordings of the discussion with VAR officials after the game.
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We lost the game on xG despite Spurs scoring a world-record 0.0 xG at half-time. Gutted.
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Kane ... sounds like he’s wearing someone else’s teeth.
Brilliant - I'm now clearing up the coffee I just spurted out of my mouth when I read that. ;D
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Did Martinez get to the ball before Kane threw himself over?
Referee thought so, he originally gave a corner.
And I think that's why VAR called him over; if the ref had said "goal kick, just a coming together, no pen" I'm not sure he would have been called over for a clear and obvious error. But once the VAR could see Kane chip it over Emi, and there was no obvious touch from the keeper, the ref's version of the events are demonstrably wrong and could be construed as an obvious error. Especially as they're talking all the time, so if the ref at any point says "I gave a corner because the keeper got a clear touch" then I don't see how VAR don't send him to the monitor?
I thought it was a pen, and I also thought the Watkins one should have been a pen, though it was slightly less obvious as Watkins didn't touch the ball before being clattered.
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Did Martinez get to the ball before Kane threw himself over?
The question is, was this a clear and obvious error?
Exactly - it clearly wasn't clear and obvious, given the time they took. Was Kane even onside in the build up?!
This is where VAR has over-reached its original purpose, IMHO. The ref's decision to award a corner was not an obvious error (FWIW, when I saw it in real time from the Holte it seemed that Martinez had tipped for a corner before Kane went over him).
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We lost the game on xG despite Spurs scoring a world-record 0.0 xG at half-time. Gutted.
We didn't. It was 1.44 vs 1.20 :-)
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We lost the game on xG despite Spurs scoring a world-record 0.0 xG at half-time. Gutted.
What stats are you referencing there? I’d guess Kane had the penalty and that chance where the odds of scoring were probably +75% where our numerous chances were probably 50% or less.
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The highlight for me was being two goals up against a wanker team when they finally got their usual wanky, fine-margined, totally corrupt decision which, previously, would have meant us losing 0-1 or sharing points at the death.
I was also pleased that Leon "Hare and Hounds" Bailey repaid Emery's faith in him by setting up Ramsey for his goal.
I was overjoyed to see those 'cockerney' dirge-singers silenced by Emi, the woodwork and late flags. March that in you twats!
Now, I want at least a point at Liverpool then 3-0 at VP for the last game. Up the Villa!
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I was also pleased that Leon "Hare and Hounds" Bailey repaid Emery's faith in him by setting up Ramsay for his goal.
Oh BE. :(
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Such are the limitations of ChatGPT, autocorrect or my frazzled neurones. :-(
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Great win and great performance and the weather was superb.
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Some Tottenham man children for your amusement.
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Great win and great performance and the weather was superb.
Strange weather yesterday, as we left VP it was warm and sunny, 19 degrees. 20 miles down the M6 into Leicestershire, and it was murky and a much less pleasant 10 degrees.
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I watched it on TV in Hong Kong as I’m travelling with work.
I thought the penalty was pretty clear cut to be honest. It’s annoying Watkins wasn’t given that similar one a couple of seasons ago - that should have been given. But Kane’s yesterday was a clear pen in my view, and likely to be given by VAR once the ref had not awarded it. And it was checked for offside, and wasn’t offside.
Honestly it was not a clear penalty. HK made no attempt to go for the ball as he knew he was not a position to score. He decided to launch both feet into Emi. Forwards should not be allowed to do that. Kane could have avoided him by moving right where the ball was or jumping over him but he didn’t. He instead “fouled” Emi and went over. A total cheat.
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We lost the game on xG despite Spurs scoring a world-record 0.0 xG at half-time. Gutted.
We didn't. It was 1.44 vs 1.20 :-)
Huh...even xG can't agree with itself...
(https://i.ibb.co/N29ZWWx/20230514-124013.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N29ZWWx)
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I watched it on TV in Hong Kong as I’m travelling with work.
I thought the penalty was pretty clear cut to be honest. It’s annoying Watkins wasn’t given that similar one a couple of seasons ago - that should have been given. But Kane’s yesterday was a clear pen in my view, and likely to be given by VAR once the ref had not awarded it. And it was checked for offside, and wasn’t offside.
Honestly it was not a clear penalty. HK made no attempt to go for the ball as he knew he was not a position to score. He decided to launch both feet into Emi. Forwards should not be allowed to do that. Kane could have avoided him by moving right where the ball was or jumping over him but he didn’t. He instead “fouled” Emi and went over. A total cheat.
My feelings too.
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Some Tottenham man children for your amusement.
That black fella must be a paid actor.
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I thought the noise levels were amazing today.
that chap from south of France doesn't seem to agree, can you put him right please?
Ears full of cheese.
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The atmosphere was superb yesterday, very loud for long periods of the game, especially first half.
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Some Tottenham man children for your amusement.
That black fella must be a paid actor.
He's definitely a monumental bellend.
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I must be the only person who thought it was a penalty. Anyhow, who cares, we won and deservedly so. I think we need to be a tad more clinical but fair fucks, we're going places whatever happens. We controlled most of the game, just as the manager wants us to.
What Emery and his team have done with our defence, in particular, is little short of miraculous. I can't remember seeing such a well-drilled offside trap, and the way the whole team slots back into position when we lose possession is very slick. Martinez is obviously key to this with his ability to anticipate and sweep up, but Konsa is looking great again and Mings... Well he's imperious. Since Emery arrived he's been channelling the spirit of Laursen and barely put a foot wrong. Just brilliant.
It wasn't a penalty because he was offside when he received the ball; ordinary television replays proved this, yet no-one was shown the VAR footage - fine margins, but offside within the current rules.
Anyway, we won, despite the balancing act attempted by the officials.
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Such are the limitations of ChatGPT, autocorrect or my frazzled neurones. :-(
Ah, thought it might have been the post-Eurovision party hangover. Évidemment not.
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That black fella must be a paid actor.
He's definitely a monumental bellend.
He's a Spurs fan, ergo....
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To reiterate what I wrote on another thread, the issue with the penalty comes down to the rules of the game. If the rules are that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty, then it was technically the correct decision. This is completely ruining the game though, and encourages cheating. The rule should be that the defending team needs to have gained an advantage from the incident for it to constitute a foul. Yesterday’s incident wouldn’t have been a penalty because Kane basically kicked it out of play in order to be in a position to receive minimal contact from Martinez - contact that was in no way sufficient to cause him to lose balance. How can it be fair that a player who has kicked the ball out of play is rewarded with an 85% chance of scoring a goal?
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Some Tottenham man children for your amusement.
That black fella must be a paid actor.
More a comedian.. and not a very happy one. Some hilarious ranting here
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To reiterate what I wrote on another thread, the issue with the penalty comes down to the rules of the game. If the rules are that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty, then it was technically the correct decision. This is completely ruining the game though, and encourages cheating. The rule should be that the defending team needs to have gained an advantage from the incident for it to constitute a foul. Yesterday’s incident wouldn’t have been a penalty because Kane basically kicked it out of play in order to be in a position to receive minimal contact from Martinez - contact that was in no way sufficient to cause him to lose balance. How can it be fair that a player who has kicked the ball out of play is rewarded with an 85% chance of scoring a goal?
I don't think the rules state that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty? A foul is a foul anywhere on the pitch. Kane gets preferential treatment from the officials due to his anointment as King of English football.
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Such are the limitations of ChatGPT, autocorrect or my frazzled neurones. :-(
Ah, thought it might have been the post-Eurovision party hangover. Évidemment not.
I had a night worse than watching Eurovision. I was at a traditional 50's jazz concert.
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To reiterate what I wrote on another thread, the issue with the penalty comes down to the rules of the game. If the rules are that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty, then it was technically the correct decision. This is completely ruining the game though, and encourages cheating. The rule should be that the defending team needs to have gained an advantage from the incident for it to constitute a foul. Yesterday’s incident wouldn’t have been a penalty because Kane basically kicked it out of play in order to be in a position to receive minimal contact from Martinez - contact that was in no way sufficient to cause him to lose balance. How can it be fair that a player who has kicked the ball out of play is rewarded with an 85% chance of scoring a goal?
I don't think the rules state that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty? A foul is a foul anywhere on the pitch. Kane gets preferential treatment from the officials due to his anointment as King of English football.
That how it oftens gets officiated though, maybe the laws don't say that but there is a misguided common belief that any contact is enough to justify the attacker gonig down and if he does it's a penalty. If the authorities were serious about fair play they'd have dealt with it years ago. On the same subject watching Kane walk after the ref shouting ''oi, oi, oi" for about 30 seconds was a perfect example of why the whole 'respect the referee' thing is bullshit, they get shit because they do nothing to stop it until it's far too late. As someone else said PGMOL is a fucking embarrassment and need to be replaced.
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I thought the noise levels were amazing today.
that chap from south of France doesn't seem to agree, can you put him right please?
Ears full of cheese.
OK! It was really noisy. I believe you. My hearing aids must have been turned down. ;-)
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Watching it back, McGinn really was outstanding yesterday. Did such a good stifling job on Kane in the deeper positions.
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Bottom line is that if that was a Villa player that had been offside and then deliberately tripped over their keeper, we wouldn’t have got the penalty. Doubt it would even have got VAR involved as it was not a clear and obvious error.
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And it would have been brought back for offside for sure. How that isn’t reviewed is mind boggling.
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Bottom line is that if that was a Villa player that had been offside and then deliberately tripped over their keeper, we wouldn’t have got the penalty. Doubt it would even have got VAR involved as it was not a clear and obvious error.
With Kanes "oh my god, my leg has been wrenched off" reaction until he realised he hadn't been automatically given it, the Villa player would have been booked as well.
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The ref was all over the place.
How come it took 3 minutes to work out a clear and obvious error for the penalty, once VAR sends them to the monitor you know the twats are duty bound to follow instructions.
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And it would have been brought back for offside for sure. How that isn’t reviewed is mind boggling.
it supposedly was reviewed, they just never bothered drawing the lines to show us down to the millimetre. I wonder what took the longest time, the offside review, or the "did martinez touch it" review.
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To reiterate what I wrote on another thread, the issue with the penalty comes down to the rules of the game. If the rules are that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty, then it was technically the correct decision. This is completely ruining the game though, and encourages cheating. The rule should be that the defending team needs to have gained an advantage from the incident for it to constitute a foul. Yesterday’s incident wouldn’t have been a penalty because Kane basically kicked it out of play in order to be in a position to receive minimal contact from Martinez - contact that was in no way sufficient to cause him to lose balance. How can it be fair that a player who has kicked the ball out of play is rewarded with an 85% chance of scoring a goal?
I don't think the rules state that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty? A foul is a foul anywhere on the pitch. Kane gets preferential treatment from the officials due to his anointment as King of English football.
That how it oftens gets officiated though, maybe the laws don't say that but there is a misguided common belief that any contact is enough to justify the attacker gonig down and if he does it's a penalty. If the authorities were serious about fair play they'd have dealt with it years ago. On the same subject watching Kane walk after the ref shouting ''oi, oi, oi" for about 30 seconds was a perfect example of why the whole 'respect the referee' thing is bullshit, they get shit because they do nothing to stop it until it's far too late. As someone else said PGMOL is a fucking embarrassment and need to be replaced.
My lad said this morning that there should be a sin bin in place for that sort of backchat and pressure on the ref.
Tackles can be mistimed and lead to a yellow but a sin bin would be a bit harsh, sin bin though may just cause teams to focus more and sort out some of that behaviour.
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Going back to the game, what was most impressive for me was the way we played through the lines in order to break down the Spuds' midfield and defence. Really well done by our midfield and CBs.
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Going back to the game, what was most impressive for me was the way we played through the lines in order to break down the Spuds' midfield and defence. Really well done by our midfield and CBs.
Yes, the midfielders all offer something different yet complement each other perfectly.
McGinn has that aggressive tenacity that sparks the team, Ramsey has the thrust and drive to take us forward and Luiz, the composure and calmness to keep things ticking over.
I was impressed that in a game with such a lot on it we continued to play with calmness when it was needed then stepped up the intensity to impose our will on Tottenham.
We made them look very ordinary for large parts of the game.
Excellent stuff.
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What a great day, had ticket back of the lower holte behind the goal. We completely bossed the first half, how it was only 1-0 at half time I’m still not sure.
McGinn and his magic arse turned himself into space time and again.
Kane seemingly has the same immunity to bookings that is magically bestowed upon all England captains.
Another goal from a direct free kick.
Our offside trap is pretty formidable.
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I thought the noise levels were amazing today.
Pat Murphy's (yes, him!) 5 Live report was effusive in saying how noisy the place was and how obvious the bond between team and fans is.
Bloody hell Patrick
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To reiterate what I wrote on another thread, the issue with the penalty comes down to the rules of the game. If the rules are that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty, then it was technically the correct decision. This is completely ruining the game though, and encourages cheating. The rule should be that the defending team needs to have gained an advantage from the incident for it to constitute a foul. Yesterday’s incident wouldn’t have been a penalty because Kane basically kicked it out of play in order to be in a position to receive minimal contact from Martinez - contact that was in no way sufficient to cause him to lose balance. How can it be fair that a player who has kicked the ball out of play is rewarded with an 85% chance of scoring a goal?
I don't think the rules state that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty? A foul is a foul anywhere on the pitch. Kane gets preferential treatment from the officials due to his anointment as King of English football.
That how it oftens gets officiated though, maybe the laws don't say that but there is a misguided common belief that any contact is enough to justify the attacker gonig down and if he does it's a penalty. If the authorities were serious about fair play they'd have dealt with it years ago. On the same subject watching Kane walk after the ref shouting ''oi, oi, oi" for about 30 seconds was a perfect example of why the whole 'respect the referee' thing is bullshit, they get shit because they do nothing to stop it until it's far too late. As someone else said PGMOL is a fucking embarrassment and need to be replaced.
My lad said this morning that there should be a sin bin in place for that sort of backchat and pressure on the ref.
Tackles can be mistimed and lead to a yellow but a sin bin would be a bit harsh, sin bin though may just cause teams to focus more and sort out some of that behaviour.
A sin bin would sort out a lot of the dissent. It would put the onus on players on how they approach the referee
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To reiterate what I wrote on another thread, the issue with the penalty comes down to the rules of the game. If the rules are that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty, then it was technically the correct decision. This is completely ruining the game though, and encourages cheating. The rule should be that the defending team needs to have gained an advantage from the incident for it to constitute a foul. Yesterday’s incident wouldn’t have been a penalty because Kane basically kicked it out of play in order to be in a position to receive minimal contact from Martinez - contact that was in no way sufficient to cause him to lose balance. How can it be fair that a player who has kicked the ball out of play is rewarded with an 85% chance of scoring a goal?
I don't think the rules state that any contact with an attacker in the box is a penalty? A foul is a foul anywhere on the pitch. Kane gets preferential treatment from the officials due to his anointment as King of English football.
That how it oftens gets officiated though, maybe the laws don't say that but there is a misguided common belief that any contact is enough to justify the attacker gonig down and if he does it's a penalty. If the authorities were serious about fair play they'd have dealt with it years ago. On the same subject watching Kane walk after the ref shouting ''oi, oi, oi" for about 30 seconds was a perfect example of why the whole 'respect the referee' thing is bullshit, they get shit because they do nothing to stop it until it's far too late. As someone else said PGMOL is a fucking embarrassment and need to be replaced.
My lad said this morning that there should be a sin bin in place for that sort of backchat and pressure on the ref.
Tackles can be mistimed and lead to a yellow but a sin bin would be a bit harsh, sin bin though may just cause teams to focus more and sort out some of that behaviour.
A sin bin would sort out a lot of the dissent. It would put the onus on players on how they approach the referee
I think the professional foul should be a sin bin offence to stop foul rotation.
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The sin bin would just mean the team a man down would waste as much time as possible. And the 'lesser' teams would find their players binned while the big six would get away with it, same as most decisions now anyway.
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Superb,still raging about Kane though. I wish he was called out as a cheat .And he was offside.
Chris Sutton just called him out as a serial diver, including for yesterday's "tumble"," on Radio 5 606 tonight in the section when they consider the weekend's divers.
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Has anyone seen an angle that proves Emi didn’t touch the ball before the cheat rolled over and played dead? Or was the VAR earning his signed shirt playing guessing games?
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Emi missed the ball Kane dived right into him and bought the penalty 99% of strikers would have done the same. It’s where the game is now
I think it was a penalty given the laws of the game but so was Watkins one in a previous game
Exactly the same scenario totally different outcome
And that’s where the problem lies
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But the referee gave a corner so VAR had to have definitive evidence to overturn…that definitive angle was what I meant.
I know all strikers would do it but it’s about the decision
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I don't think Emi touched the ball but it was so close and the footage is so inconclusive that if the ref things he did it shouldn't have been overruled.
The bigger problem is that when VAR was introduced they made it clear it wasn't about re-refereeing the game but if you're taking that much time and watching it in super slo-mo then that's what you're doing. Even then I could live with it if this level of forensic analysis was consistent but all too often it feels like the VAR has already decided what they want the decision to be and they use the time to find a way to make it, rather than an unbiased review of if the decision. Until the clear biases within pgmol are resolved nothing they do will be fit for purpose but right now they seem more scared of upsetting some clubs than they are of making mistakes.
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I don't think Emi touched the ball but it was so close and the footage is so inconclusive that if the ref things he did it shouldn't have been overruled.
The bigger problem is that when VAR was introduced they made it clear it wasn't about re-refereeing the game but if you're taking that much time and watching it in super slo-mo then that's what you're doing. Even then I could live with it if this level of forensic analysis was consistent but all too often it feels like the VAR has already decided what they want the decision to be and they use the time to find a way to make it, rather than an unbiased review of if the decision. Until the clear biases within pgmol are resolved nothing they do will be fit for purpose but right now they seem more scared of upsetting some clubs than they are of making mistakes.
agree, and now we hear nothing about clear and obvious, if it Thames 3 minutes it’s not clear and obvious.
PGMOL is clearly and obviously corrupt.
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Apparently VAR cleared that it wasn't offside. Mysteriously they didn't show any of their silly red and blue lines?? The whole thing is corrupt.
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I don't think Emi touched the ball but it was so close and the footage is so inconclusive that if the ref things he did it shouldn't have been overruled.
The bigger problem is that when VAR was introduced they made it clear it wasn't about re-refereeing the game but if you're taking that much time and watching it in super slo-mo then that's what you're doing. Even then I could live with it if this level of forensic analysis was consistent but all too often it feels like the VAR has already decided what they want the decision to be and they use the time to find a way to make it, rather than an unbiased review of if the decision. Until the clear biases within pgmol are resolved nothing they do will be fit for purpose but right now they seem more scared of upsetting some clubs than they are of making mistakes.
agree, and now we hear nothing about clear and obvious, if it Thames 3 minutes it’s not clear and obvious.
PGMOL is clearly and obviously corrupt.
I agree with both of you and I also heard Chris Sutton on 5Live calling him out as a diver.
Interestingly Keith Hackett on Twitter said Kane initiated contact and should have been called up for simulation.
I’m just glad it didn’t cost us anything other than a squeaky bum last 6-7 minutes, and at least our complaints aren’t being labelled as sour grapes.
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I don't think Emi touched the ball but it was so close and the footage is so inconclusive that if the ref things he did it shouldn't have been overruled.
The bigger problem is that when VAR was introduced they made it clear it wasn't about re-refereeing the game but if you're taking that much time and watching it in super slo-mo then that's what you're doing. Even then I could live with it if this level of forensic analysis was consistent but all too often it feels like the VAR has already decided what they want the decision to be and they use the time to find a way to make it, rather than an unbiased review of if the decision. Until the clear biases within pgmol are resolved nothing they do will be fit for purpose but right now they seem more scared of upsetting some clubs than they are of making mistakes.
agree, and now we hear nothing about clear and obvious, if it Thames 3 minutes it’s not clear and obvious.
PGMOL is clearly and obviously corrupt.
I agree with both of you and I also heard Chris Sutton on 5Live calling him out as a diver.
Interestingly Keith Hackett on Twitter said Kane initiated contact and should have been called up for simulation.
I’m just glad it didn’t cost us anything other than a squeaky bum last 6-7 minutes, and at least our complaints aren’t being labelled as sour grapes.
That's the thing, it might cost us something, that pen isn't given and we're ending the weekend level on goal difference with them, a 2 goal swing in their favour could easily be decisive in who qualifies for Europe. Without wanting to go over the top I'd hope we're going to put in a complaint about it and use views like those of Sutton and Hackett as part of our 'case'. We've been a soft touch for shitty decisions for a while and we need to stop letting the fuckers tickle our bellies.
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Aye. I don't think it's in Emery's nature to game the system, as it were.
But sometimes you need to make a fuss about this sort of shite. With one eye on the next decision.
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It’s going to fascinating to see how he approaches the Liverpool game. They need to win to try and secure a CL spot and we have our own ambitions.
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Hes a ******. Minky musky sly old stoaty stoaty stoat.
Righty-dokey matey-bloke flap old salty sea-dog amigo skip-jack jockstrap piano-tuner, damn right
Absolute classic comedy, my favourite programme as a youngish teenager. Loved the Gas Man episode in particular.
"How do you keep it so warm in here?"
"We make love...not with each other! On our own..."
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I don't think Emi touched the ball but it was so close and the footage is so inconclusive that if the ref things he did it shouldn't have been overruled.
The bigger problem is that when VAR was introduced they made it clear it wasn't about re-refereeing the game but if you're taking that much time and watching it in super slo-mo then that's what you're doing. Even then I could live with it if this level of forensic analysis was consistent but all too often it feels like the VAR has already decided what they want the decision to be and they use the time to find a way to make it, rather than an unbiased review of if the decision. Until the clear biases within pgmol are resolved nothing they do will be fit for purpose but right now they seem more scared of upsetting some clubs than they are of making mistakes.
agree, and now we hear nothing about clear and obvious, if it Thames 3 minutes it’s not clear and obvious.
PGMOL is clearly and obviously corrupt.
I agree with both of you and I also heard Chris Sutton on 5Live calling him out as a diver.
Interestingly Keith Hackett on Twitter said Kane initiated contact and should have been called up for simulation.
I’m just glad it didn’t cost us anything other than a squeaky bum last 6-7 minutes, and at least our complaints aren’t being labelled as sour grapes.
That's the thing, it might cost us something, that pen isn't given and we're ending the weekend level on goal difference with them, a 2 goal swing in their favour could easily be decisive in who qualifies for Europe. Without wanting to go over the top I'd hope we're going to put in a complaint about it and use views like those of Sutton and Hackett as part of our 'case'. We've been a soft touch for shitty decisions for a while and we need to stop letting the fuckers tickle our bellies.
Talking of soft touches, I think we should be more vocal and in the ref’s ear at times. Yesterday’s example would be when Watkins was scythed down by Royale. We didn’t make enough of a case to the ref. Another obvious one was the two offside players for Arsenal directly in Martinez’s line of vision.
With the honourable exception of Ashley Young we are not vocal with referees.
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Point on the "penalty" was that the ref gave a corner and the VAR geniuses decided it was a clear and obvious error. Madness. Or bias.
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The sin bin would just mean the team a man down would waste as much time as possible. And the 'lesser' teams would find their players binned while the big six would get away with it, same as most decisions now anyway.
There’s a lot to be learnt about referee respect and how those things are officiated in Rugby. Our local code here, Aussie Rules, does a lot right too in terms of changing rules to clamp down on shithousing. Eg if a team is awarded a free kick and the opposition tries to stop a quick play on, there are further penalties.
I’ve also wondered why we can’t have a clock that stops when the ball is out of play/before restarts etc. Would put an end to so much pointless time wasting.
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Speaking to the Spurs fan at work today, he said we were lucky playing the offside trap that they didn't breach it more often.
Told him it wasn't luck, it is a good manager knowing how to coach and set up a game plan, and the players executing the plan perfectly.
"We're still above you" he sneered.
"Not for long, we are passing ships, except you're like the Titanic, going down, and we're going up".
They really don't like Villa gatecrashing the greedy six party.
Better get used to it.
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Point on the "penalty" was that the ref gave a corner and the VAR geniuses decided it was a clear and obvious error. Madness. Or bias.
In that respect it was as Emi didn't touch the ball regardless of how much actual contact there was from Kane engineering it.
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Point on the "penalty" was that the ref gave a corner and the VAR geniuses decided it was a clear and obvious error. Madness. Or bias.
In that respect it was as Emi didn't touch the ball regardless of how much actual contact there was from Kane engineering it.
He also engineered him not touching the ball. Kane’s only intention with his touch was to ensure Emi didn’t get a touch. No intention whatsoever to play himself or any other Spurs player in, just ensure the goalie has no contact and then trip over him. ‘Cute’
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If an attacking player just runs straight into a defender, it would very rarely be given as foul and a penalty. This is essentially what Kane did. It wasn't Emi's action that made him foul Kane, it was Kane dragging his legs over Emi's back.
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You’ve seen those given. So my ire isn’t so much at the penalty itself. What massively fucks me off is that it wasn’t a clear and obvious mistake. The ref gave a corner so VAR would have had to have identified an egregious error to overturn that decision. There wasn’t. And furthermore, he was clearly offside in receiving the ball. That should have been it. But when fans claim something dodgy in officiating and bias towards certain clubs, it’s because of shit like this. We’ve had decisions against us where Ollie’s hair on his arm was offside, yet Kane is clearly and that doesn’t get called back. And now that goal could be a major factor if GD a comes into play.
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Didn't Kane do exactly the same against Villa in a previous game where he ran into the keeper and look like he was fouled and a penalty given?
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Didn't Kane do exactly the same against Villa in a previous game where he ran into the keeper and look like he was fouled and a penalty given?
Yes, he did, in front of the Holte End.
Bearing mind all of the prep that goes into each game I would have thought that Emi would have been a bit more sussed about Kane's antics and avoided charging out like that.
Maybe it was a ball that he felt he needed to go for but at the time and from the Lower Holte admittedly, I thought that Emi was taking a major risk in making such a challenge.
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He's a great player, but I can't stand his gormless long face.
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Yeah, as soon as Emi went all-action, it was a high-risk scenario. I think he was emboldened from denying Kane from the Luiz mistake earlier and thought he could get the better of him again. He should have known that Kane would act the knut at the slightest opportunity.
As to whether Kane was offside, wasn't that part of the reason for the delay? They checked it and he was on.
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The clear and obvious error was not giving the benefit of the doubt to England's glorious captain.
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Speaking to the Spurs fan at work today, he said we were lucky playing the offside trap that they didn't breach it more often.
Told him it wasn't luck, it is a good manager knowing how to coach and set up a game plan, and the players executing the plan perfectly.
"We're still above you" he sneered.
"Not for long, we are passing ships, except you're like the Titanic, going down, and we're going up".
They really don't like Villa gatecrashing the greedy six party.
Better get used to it.
They shouldn’t even be in the greedy six conversation…fluke of postcode over substance. Like crocs they are passing fashion trend
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He's a great player, but I can't stand his gormless long face.
He has a face manufactured out of bread
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He's a great player, but I can't stand his gormless long face.
Was very funny in the first half when McGinn span him and he fell flat on his hooter. Diving ******.
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I still haven’t seen an angle that definitively proves Emi doesn’t touch the ball making the refs corner decision wrong….corrupt
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I think it was a pen, or rather if it had been the other way round I would have expected a pen.
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I think it was a pen, or rather if it had been the other way round I would have expected a pen.
If it was the other way around he'd have booked Ollie for knee dropping the keeper, like that time he got sent off for agressively running into the Man Utd keepers hands.
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Yeah, as soon as Emi went all-action, it was a high-risk scenario. I think he was emboldened from denying Kane from the Luiz mistake earlier and thought he could get the better of him again. He should have known that Kane would act the knut at the slightest opportunity.
As to whether Kane was offside, wasn't that part of the reason for the delay? They checked it and he was on.
He was not onside, so if they did check it was cursory and they got it wrong. I might be tempted to say it only seems they go to great lengths on such things depending on who is likely to benefit from it and if the game is broadcast live
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Whatever anyones opinion, if it takes 3 minutes to overturn the original decision then it can’t possibly be a clear and obvious error in the first place
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Whatever anyones opinion, if it takes 3 minutes to overturn the original decision then it can’t possibly be a clear and obvious error in the first place
Bingo. You can see whatever you want when you slow it down by 16x, whether its handballs or fouls/contact.
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He's a great player, but I can't stand his gormless long face.
Neigh, nor me.
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Still waiting for Daz Wolley's review of the day. Couldn't Dave Woodhall lend him the reins of the Birmingham Press review just for once?
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Darren sent us a great photo of him with Wes Edens on Saturday.
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He's a great player, but I can't stand his gormless long face.
Neigh, nor me.
He tends to go missing in the big games.
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He went missing in the World Cup.
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I think it was a pen, or rather if it had been the other way round I would have expected a pen.
I couldn't disagree more. I haven't seen a definitive angle that proves whether or not Emi got a touch on the ball. Fact is Emi went to ground to try to get the ball. Contact is initiated and performed entirely by Kane. He will get every dodgy decision going as long as he's England's poster boy. There's absolutely no way Ollie Watkins gets the penalty in the same situation. The situation sucks and it's been that way for decades ever since the Sky money got involved.
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He went missing in the World Cup.
Because World Cup referee's aren't part of the Harry Kane fan club.
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The feigning injury by Kane that got the opponent sent off put me off him.
I thought he was better than that
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He went missing in the World Cup.
Euro semi final (missed a penalty and scored the rebound was all). Euro final. World Cup semi final. The last World Cup against France. Champions league final. That’s just off the top of my head. Tends to do ok against Man Citeh in the league but that’s pretty much it. Decent player with some useful link up play but i honestly wouldn’t go much beyond that. Probably not as good as Teddy Sheringham.
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His record suggests he's better than that.
Still a cheating ****** mind.
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His record suggests he's better than that.
Still a cheating ****** mind.
Good player no doubt but I actually think Sheringham was a much better player and he’s the player I think Kane is most similar too. Sheringham may not have scored as many penalties but he achieved much more as a player.
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Sheringham was twice the footballer Kane is. Obviously Kane's a better goalscorer.
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Sheringham was twice the footballer Kane is. Obviously Kane's a better goalscorer.
My thoughts as well. KanePen would be a much more appropriate name.
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I hate Kane for that really dangerous habit he has of backing into defenders as they're jumping for a header. And his stupid fucking face.
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Sheringham was twice the footballer Kane is. Obviously Kane's a better goalscorer.
With respect, I strongly disagree.
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Sheringham was twice the footballer Kane is. Obviously Kane's a better goalscorer.
With respect, I strongly disagree.
If you’re talking about achievements, it’s not even close. If you’re talking about technical ability and football brain, it’s slightly closer.
Plus, Sheringham made those around much better as his striker partners would testify.
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Sheringham was twice the footballer Kane is. Obviously Kane's a better goalscorer.
With respect, I strongly disagree.
With respect?! I don't want your respect, I want your telescopic dampers.
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Kane's face looks like a melting candle.
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Sheringham was twice the footballer Kane is. Obviously Kane's a better goalscorer.
With respect, I strongly disagree.
Agreed.
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Sheringham was twice the footballer Kane is. Obviously Kane's a better goalscorer.
With respect, I strongly disagree.
Agreed.
I'm not questioning Kanes ability and I think he's a much better player than Sheringham was. Kane is regarded as a world class striker by his peers but Sheringham never was. What I hate about him is the way he's taken on the mantle of England's main man and he now constantly cheats during games and gets what he wants most of the time. I don't even mind his face or his voice. It's just his cheating ways that boils my piss.
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Sheringham was twice the footballer Kane is. Obviously Kane's a better goalscorer.
With respect, I strongly disagree.
Agreed.
I'm not questioning Kanes ability and I think he's a much better player than Sheringham was. Kane is regarded as a world class striker by his peers but Sheringham never was. What I hate about him is the way he's taken on the mantle of England's main man and he now constantly cheats during games and gets what he wants most of the time. I don't even mind his face or his voice. It's just his cheating ways that boils my piss.
Same for me pal
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The feigning injury by Kane that got the opponent sent off put me off him.
I thought he was better than that
Anything like the injury he sustained with the contact with Emi on Saturday?
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I hate Kane for that really dangerous habit he has of backing into defenders as they're jumping for a header. And his stupid fucking face.
I have no idea why the footballing authorities continue to allow that to happen. It's so fucking dangerous. He's one of those people who I think is a c**t but I'm not really sure why. Maybe I'm just being a basic bitch and following the crowd, like with Bono.
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The debate about Kane is similar to that about Graeme Hick. Sure he scored lots of runs but to no real purpose and usually against inferior opposition. Which is why he's not mentioned in any conversations about great batsmen.
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Harry Kane is a superb player. A fucking cheat and dirty prick with a face like the underside of my shoe, but he’s a superb footballer. For club and country. I realize for England they get to play a load of naff but that’s not his fault.
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Yeah I mean, I used to (begrudgingly, as he played for them) love watching Sheringham, but he was never world class like Kane clearly is.
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Yeah I mean, I used to (begrudgingly, as he played for them) love watching Sheringham, but he was never world class like Kane clearly is.
I wouldn’t call him world class. Not at all.
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Yeah I mean, I used to (begrudgingly, as he played for them) love watching Sheringham, but he was never world class like Kane clearly is.
I wouldn’t call him world class. Not at all.
He is though mate
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Comparing players from different eras is always difficult, I can’t imagine Kane lasting too long playing during the 90s, given how brittle his ankles are.
Kane’s a quality player but also a dirty snide diving cheating prick*, I remember he tried leaving one on Kyle Walker in the champions league, slipped on the touchline and injured himself. He only just made the final, and wasn’t fully fit.
* in other words a Man Utd player
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If Kane played for Villa, we'd all love him. See Martinez, E.
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If Kane played for Villa, we'd all love him. See Martinez, E.
He doesn’t, Emi does so Kanes a xxxx.
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For anyone still thinking the Kane pen was correct there's a great split screen video on twitter showing Ollie getting brought down against Spurs at their place during lockdown and Saturdays one. Ollie does not initiate contact and Lloris clearly brings him down without touching the ball. No penalty given. Set next to Kanes penalty it highlights perfectly how Kane definitely gets preferential treatment. I wish I knew how to post it on here.
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love watching Sheringham, but he was never world class like Kane clearly is.
I’m sure Sherringham consoles himself by getting his medals out of the cupboard every now and then. And he was more of a “second striker” than Kane. And less of a twat.
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love watching Sheringham, but he was never world class like Kane clearly is.
I’m sure Sherringham consoles himself by getting his medals out of the cupboard every now and then. And he was more of a “second striker” than Kane. And less of a twat.
Try saying that to Andy Cole.
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For all that it's banged on about Kane not winning a trophy at Spurs, despite him so richly deserving one, it tends to be overlooked that the closest he has got to winning one was when Spurs reached the Champions League final, can't remember the year, which Spurs would have had a much better chance of winning if they had selected Lucas Moura, who had scored a hat trick v Ajax in the semi-final, rather than Kane, who had very clearly not recovered from an ankle injury that had kept him out for some time prior to the final, and in the final was useless.
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For all that it's banged on about Kane not winning a trophy at Spurs, despite him so richly deserving one, it tends to be overlooked that the closest he has got to winning one was when Spurs reached the Champions League final, can't remember the year, which Spurs would have had a much better chance of winning if they had selected Lucas Moura, who had scored a hat trick v Ajax in the semi-final, rather than Kane, who had very clearly not recovered from an ankle injury that had kept him out for some time prior to the final, and in the final was useless.
And he also went on strike a few years ago to try and force a move from Spurs.
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If my memory is serving me correctly today, Charlie Aitken has got more winners medals than Harry Kane, and Charlie played in some really shit Villa sides.
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If my memory is serving me correctly today, Charlie Aitken has got more winners medals than Harry Kane, and Charlie played in some really shit Villa sides.
Kane did win Millwall’s young player of the year award once
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Kane is no doubt a good player and finisher, but he's also a snide cheat too. Some would argue you need an edge to be truly top class I suppose. I'd rather have Sheringham but wouldn't say no to Kane if were linked.
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The 'just look at the trophies' thing is just Super League brand-era bullshit. It's why Grealish left.
Djimi Traoré has a Champions League winners medal and Totti doesn't. There are clearly other ways to measure greatness. If Kane happened to play for Man City he would have had his medals, but would anyone seriously think more of him as a player?
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The 'just look at the trophies' thing is just Super League brand-era bullshit. It's why Grealish left.
I agree. Although I was paraphrasing Brian Clough, who said something very similar many decades ago. And lack of trophies is my default response to any Spurs fans who try to claim they’re a Super League contender
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The 'just look at the trophies' thing is just Super League brand-era bullshit. It's why Grealish left.
I agree. Although I was paraphrasing Brian Clough, who said something very similar many decades ago. And lack of trophies is my default response to any Spurs fans who try to claim they’re a Super League contender
It is embarrassing that Spurs think they're valid members of some elite caste, but it does also prove that even there trophies aren't everything, as Spurs are in that group on vibes alone.
Clough was talking in happier times for competition, when someone like him could really make a difference. Bit different these days, sadly.
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Was it Spurs fans who started the the famous - but very short lived - chant about Sheringham going to Man United and winning eff all?
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Didn't Everton used to be part of the Big 5 before they decided 6 was sexier
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Kane is no doubt a good player and finisher, but he's also a snide cheat too. Some would argue you need an edge to be truly top class I suppose. I'd rather have Sheringham but wouldn't say no to Kane if were linked.
My thoughts exactly.