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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Jon Crofts on January 13, 2023, 10:02:51 PM
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A more loathsome set of players and fans you could not wish to meet.
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Piece of piss and never in doubt.
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Job done.
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Worst win ever which...makes it the best? Seriously though, we're a bit all over the place, in't we?
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Great to grind out three points, much better second half.
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If there's a player in the world more in need of a slap than Ayling I don't know who they are, that he stands out as a ****** in a squad full of them takes some doing.
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A win, but not a stress free one.
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Good result, less impressive performance.
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Fuck Leeds
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Kamara fucking brilliant. That is all.
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Poor performance. Good result. We need a centre forward.
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Was comfortable imo.
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There is something very satisfying about a Friday night win at VP.
Type of game we would have lost 3 months ago
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Leeds are a hard team to play, very physical and work their bollocks off. Still we beat them had chances, rode our luck, had some shit luck and came out on top. Happy days
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They outfouled us 12-18
We outscored them 2-1
Fuck off back to Leeds ya Scabby Yorkshire bastards.
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That was not good for my blood pressure
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We'll play better than that this season and lose.
Imagine being Kamara and playing for a topflight side -in 2023 - with players who can't control a ball.
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Just imagine how good Kamara will be in 2-3 years. He’s head and shoulders our best player.
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Great result - Kamara, Young, Emi and Bailey all excellent
Everyone else a bit shit. Defence was ok first half - second half mings and konsa looked lost for 30 mins
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I always like a heart-attack inducing game to start the weekend.
Improved in the second half, Emery seems to know what needs to be done, Moreno did very well, and Dirty Leeds can get fucked.
UTV!
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Always great to win when we're not at our best, but that was a dreadful performance. Better and more ruthless teams than Leeds would have turned us over. We cannot keep trying to pass out from the back with Mings and Konsa. They can't do it.
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Emery masterclass.2-0 cruising and Sanson lost his man to make it harder than it would have been. Very encouraging none the less; Young immense but Kamara was different gravy.
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Always great to win when we're not at our best, but that was a dreadful performance. Better and more ruthless teams than Leeds would have turned us over. We cannot keep trying to pass out from the back with Mings and Konsa. They can't do it.
You are miserable.
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Kamara fucking brilliant. That is all.
Best player on the pitch by miles, again
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Deeply unconvincing performance but three points.
Good teams win when playing badly.
I’ll take that excuse.
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Just imagine how good Kamara will be in 2-3 years. He’s head and shoulders our best player.
He is indeed. A Rolls Royce in a forecourt of, err, Fords.
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One major plus, Ted Lasshole will be crying himself to sleep tonight.
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Always great to win when we're not at our best, but that was a dreadful performance. Better and more ruthless teams than Leeds would have turned us over. We cannot keep trying to pass out from the back with Mings and Konsa. They can't do it.
They do it because Emery tells and expects them to.
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Great result - Kamara, Young, Emi and Bailey all excellent
Everyone else a bit shit. Defence was ok first half - second half mings and konsa looked lost for 30 mins
I thought the new fella was very decent.
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
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Kamara fucking brilliant. That is all.
Ashley young. That is all.
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
Did they? Bizarre.
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Always great to win when we're not at our best, but that was a dreadful performance. Better and more ruthless teams than Leeds would have turned us over. We cannot keep trying to pass out from the back with Mings and Konsa. They can't do it.
PL6 W4 D1 L1
4th in current form. Enjoy the ride.
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Emery masterclass.2-0 cruising and Sanson lost his man to make it harder than it would have been. Very encouraging none the less; Young immense but Kamara was different gravy.
Young was the main culprit for their goal. Samson had to run 40 yards to try to make up for him being done.
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
They were too busy wanking off about Gnonto for them
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Young was absolutely shattered by then. Only problem is he’s too good and too hard to replace.
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Always great to win when we're not at our best, but that was a dreadful performance. Better and more ruthless teams than Leeds would have turned us over. We cannot keep trying to pass out from the back with Mings and Konsa. They can't do it.
They do it because Emery tells and expects them to.
Yes that's the Emery way best get used to it.
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3 points ace. But fuck me that like a game of Hungry Hippos.
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Emery masterclass.2-0 cruising and Sanson lost his man to make it harder than it would have been. Very encouraging none the less; Young immense but Kamara was different gravy.
I have no idea how you can come to the conclusion that Sanson was at fault for the goal, Gnonto was marked by Young who went downa bit too easily which gave them the space to get through. Sanson did his best to try to get a challenge in but when you're racing back to cover there's always a risk the attacker will cut back like that and there's not much you can do about it.
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Massively promising that we win even when we’re shit - clearly still a work in progress but little changes in the game seem to do us enough to see us through
We’ll play much better than this and get fuck all - but seems like we are in safe hands
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Well I would say that was a tactical masterclass. He let them burn themselves out after 70 minutes then picked them off. Obviously the bamford goal wasn’t in the script but we won. I cannot imagine us holding on with such comfort under carpet head.
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A more loathsome set of players and fans you could not wish to meet.
Don't forget their twat of a manager too !
Kamara MOTM.
We didn't play particularly well, but 3 points in the bag.
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Worst win ever which...makes it the best? Seriously though, we're a bit shit in't we?
No we aren't we fought for it and we won, and we carved out some great chances.
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Just imagine how good Kamara will be in 2-3 years. He’s head and shoulders our best player.
He was excellent. We need a few more like him and like a lot of teams a top quality striker.
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Leeds are terrible at the back . When we did manage to escape their press we looked dangerous. Just need the composure /movement / players to do it
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As I said on pre match we will win🤥
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
They were too busy wanking off about Gnonto for them
To be fair, he does look a serious talent.
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Just imagine how good Kamara will be in 2-3 years. He’s head and shoulders our best player.
He is indeed. A Rolls Royce in a forecourt of, err, Fords.
Oi!
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Great and hard fought win.
* Bailey (on one of his good days) is such an outlet for us.
* Some amazing last ditch defending, tackles and saves. Great fighting spirit.
* Kamara. Wow. What a fantastic performance. You can’t press this guy because he just shifts the ball away either out of his feet or passing it. Always seems to be on hand to intercept. Amazing.
* Thought Leeds should have had a pen with Luiz having his hands on the bloke. Thought their keeper should have been sent off.
* Oliver let Leeds get away with murder all game. Constantly. This bloke has seemingly never got over the Sheff Utd game at VP so feels the need to constantly be a pr*ck to us.
* Top knots and more players from oversees but dirty Leeds are still dirty Leeds. Seems to escape the attention of the broadcast media.
* Ashley Young...another fantastic performance. An inspiration for sure. Working towards being player of the season.
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I find it enjoyable particularly because we won. Its very clear to me to see that the players are learning to play a certain way and it is a work in progress. As players are still developing, it is also logical that the performance was mixed
I see a lot of positives in the fact that we not only played in Emery's manner, but also prevailed.
Although there is still much to be done, it is exciting to witness the possession-based game.
Emery is a genius and I love how he wants our team Aston Villa to play football
Patience will be rewarded
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Great result - Kamara, Young, Emi and Bailey all excellent
Everyone else a bit shit. Defence was ok first half - second half mings and konsa looked lost for 30 mins
I thought the new fella was very decent.
Actually yes - he did - saved a goal and could have scored. If there is anything that’s a given it’s getting a game as a left back for villa - they rarely complete a game
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
They were too busy wanking off about Gnonto for them
To be fair, he does look a serious talent.
It's Leeds, so no, I will not be fair.
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Always great to win when we're not at our best, but that was a dreadful performance. Better and more ruthless teams than Leeds would have turned us over. We cannot keep trying to pass out from the back with Mings and Konsa. They can't do it.
Are you the berk who calls our manager Pinocchio?
If not I apologise.
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Incredible how Kamara was hardly mentioned but was absolutely superb again.
All Neville did was talk about the young Leeds lad.
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
Did they? Bizarre.
Difficult for Neville to see any of our players play from his position deep up Gnontos arse.
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
Did they? Bizarre.
Yep - I would have said Kamara, than Young before Bailey
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Europe is still on. Unlikely but we have a chance.
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Young ran his arse into the ground against a 19 year old that already has 8 international caps, for most of the night he had him in his pocket. The pass to Kamarra for the first was sublime, under pressure, one look, one touch and pass, amazing. Bailey did well but he needs to learn when to make the pass, he is too often caught taking too long on the ball.
Kamarra is in a league of his own, his range of passing, his reading of the game, strength in the challenge....awesome...
Not a classic display, but with one or two more players we have the basis of a very decent squad.
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Leeds are terrible at the back . When we did manage to escape their press we looked dangerous. Just need the composure /movement / players to do it
Exactly!
And that comes with match practice.
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Always great to win when we're not at our best, but that was a dreadful performance. Better and more ruthless teams than Leeds would have turned us over. We cannot keep trying to pass out from the back with Mings and Konsa. They can't do it.
Are you the berk who calls our manager Pinocchio?
If not I apologise.
Pinocchio? Where did that come from in relation to Emery?
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Emery masterclass.2-0 cruising and Sanson lost his man to make it harder than it would have been. Very encouraging none the less; Young immense but Kamara was different gravy.
Young was the main culprit for their goal. Samson had to run 40 yards to try to make up for him being done.
Gnonto was threatening that all night.
Hard to work out yet if he is the real deal (ignoring Gary Neville's infatuation) or we made him look shit hot.
Bargains can still be had. He's a full international for Italy at 19 and moved to Leeds three months ago from Zurich for just under £4 mill.
The kind of deal our 'data driven' approach should be uncovering.
Rather than Digne, Coutinho et al who Martin O'Neill could have scouted.
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3 points ace. But fuck me that like a game of Hungry Hippos.
That is a perfect summary of the game
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
Did they? Bizarre.
Difficult for Neville to see any of our players play from his position deep up Gnontos arse.
On yes I found the commentary very bias towards Leeds and Gnoto.
There was no recognition that Villa are learning a new way of playing
Pathetic know how in that respect.
Kamara showed some excellent touches but was completely ignored in praise
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Always great to win when we're not at our best, but that was a dreadful performance. Better and more ruthless teams than Leeds would have turned us over. We cannot keep trying to pass out from the back with Mings and Konsa. They can't do it.
Are you the berk who calls our manager Pinocchio?
If not I apologise.
Pinocchio? Where did that come from in relation to Emery?
BC Villain’s hilarious name calling after Emery said we’d be all in for the cups this season.
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Very pleasing to see Bailey playing with confidence and getting the goal, and making the second. A bit too nonchalant on the ball in the second half but when he drove at Leeds he gave them problems.
Kamara and Young superb. Mings and Konsa looked solid. Moreno looked very confident considering he's just come in. Emi shithousing them with his time wasting...glorious.
Everyone else did okay.
Not the best performance but a well earned and hard thought win. Very important to get back to winning ways at VP. We want to finish the season strongly. Half way point and 25 points. If we can notch it up another 30 in the second half that would be great going. Project Cup might have gone to shite. Project league is going pretty well.
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Dublin is an awful pundit , which i don’t like saying
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Other positives - thought we looked like a team, and there is a togetherness.
I thought Phil looked good when he came on - there goalie should have been sent off for that complete bollock he dropped
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
They were too busy wanking off about Gnonto for them
Because it was Gary Neville
The most successful manager in Spain....
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Young was fantastic.
As was Martinez. Despite a yellow card.
They showed proper leadership.
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Always great to win when we're not at our best, but that was a dreadful performance. Better and more ruthless teams than Leeds would have turned us over. We cannot keep trying to pass out from the back with Mings and Konsa. They can't do it.
Are you the berk who calls our manager Pinocchio?
If not I apologise.
Pinocchio? Where did that come from in relation to Emery?
Annoyance at his two poor disappointing team selections in the cups after telling us he wanted to win a trophy. Admit I went too far with the pinocchio comment
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3 points ace. But fuck me that like a game of Hungry Hippos.
That is a perfect summary of the game
Yes it's absolutely spot on
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I don't think we played that badly, overall. Mings and Konsa clearly in need of someone to run the defence and Watkins/Ings may as well not be on the pitch, but the rest did okay.
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Emery masterclass.2-0 cruising and Sanson lost his man to make it harder than it would have been. Very encouraging none the less; Young immense but Kamara was different gravy.
Young was the main culprit for their goal. Samson had to run 40 yards to try to make up for him being done.
Gnonto was threatening that all night.
Hard to work out yet if he is the real deal (ignoring Gary Neville's infatuation) or we made him look shit hot.
Bargains can still be had. He's a full international for Italy at 19 and moved to Leeds three months ago from Zurich for just under £4 mill.
The kind of deal our 'data driven' approach should be uncovering.
Rather than Digne, Coutinho et al who Martin O'Neill could have scouted.
We've signed plenty of promising young players in the last few years though, it's just that most of them are still playing U18 or U21 level. Of course the best player on the pitch by a millions miles was a 22year old we signed on a free so...
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3 points ace. But fuck me that like a game of Hungry Hippos.
That is a perfect summary of the game
Apart from the fact that I somehow didn't type "that *was* like a game of Hungry Hippos. :-)
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Strong battling performance. Committed, working hard, fighting for each other and the club - give me this and that will do for now.
The rest will improve. We've come such a long way already under Unai.
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I think we played okay and deserved the win.
Leeds despite their chances never looked like winning.
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Very pleasing to see Bailey playing with confidence and getting the goal, and making the second. A bit too nonchalant on the ball in the second half but when he drove at Leeds he gave them problems.
Kamara and Young superb. Mings and Konsa looked solid. Moreno looked very confident considering he's just come in. Emi shithousing them with his time wasting...glorious.
Everyone else did okay.
Not the best performance but a well earned and hard thought win. Very important to get back to winning ways at VP. We want to finish the season strongly. Half way point and 25 points. If we can notch it up another 30 in the second half that would be great going. Project Cup might have gone to shite. Project league is going pretty well.
It's worth pointing out that more than half of our points have come in 6 games under Emery and we're in top 4 form since he arrived.
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Dublin is an awful pundit , which i don’t like saying
I don’t mind him at all. So many bad and dislikeable ones - so a likeable one works for me. They all talk shit and would rather him do it than the others
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Great result but we really need to buy some really good players.
There’s only so far we can go with most of these and that’s mid table.
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3 points ace. But fuck me that like a game of Hungry Hippos.
That is a perfect summary of the game
Apart from the fact that I somehow didn't type "that *was* like a game of Hungry Hippos. :-)
At least you didn't miss out the 'that' as well.
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Under Emery we'd won flowing free, through clenched teeth and through nous and cunning. We'd also lost, wastefully, honorably and humiliatingly to the extreme. Now we can add another type of win to the pile: the win despite ourselves.
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
They were too busy wanking off about Gnonto for them
To be fair, he does look a serious talent.
Chelsea will put a 70 million bid tomorrow
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Despite all their possession, Leeds did fuck all with it. They had 4 shots on target to our 5. With more composure up top, we'd have put them to bed and avoided the late stress. Why did their keeper not get sent off? Martinez made a couple of good saves. That's what he does. That's what he's there for. The fact that he makes it look so easy is just what he does!! Kamara was outstanding and I want us to sign him his Marseille mate to play next to him. A useful 3 points, rode our luck a little bit but we continue to learn and develop. I do hope for another couple of players in. Moreno was much more settled in the second half and looks a threat going forward.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12786161/aston-villa-2-1-leeds-premier-league-highlights
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Funny old game, first half our front four might aswell not have been on the pitch but our CBs were solid. Second half, all the front players improved with Buendia dropping deeper but our CBs, Konsa particularly, went to bits. We badly need Carlos back fit and Konsa/Mings simply aren't able to cope when the opposition presses them. Mings slip on half way line was shocking. Two injuries in first 20 mins and left having to bring Sanson and Coutinho on for a finish meant we were really scraping the barrel but a big win after the debacle last weekend.
Martinez 8 - that save in first half was outstanding. Dominant
Young 8 - brilliant for about 70 mins until his legs went (could Chambers not have come on), covering Konsa throughout
Konsa 5 - fine in first half but really poor in second, indecisive to put it mildly
Mings 6 - solid first half but very lucky to get away with that slip
Moreno 6 - very shaky first half after he came on but saw his quality going forward in second
Luiz 7 - a player that polarises opinion but Tom Daley dive aside in first half thought he was solid and showed leadership in second
Kamara 8 - great assist for first goal and very strong throughout
Buendia 7 - anonymous in first half, dropped deeper in second and far more involved. That header was tricky too and finished it well
Ramsey 6 - same impact as Buendia in first half, more involved in second without any telling contribution
Bailey 8 - great goal and his shot made second, confidence grew in second half, decision making still a bit iffy
Ings 6 - tried hard, missed big chance to finish game after nice pass by Luiz
Coutinho did well actually, Sanson not really involved
Emery 6 - not for the first time it shouldn't have taken until half time to change things tactically. Need to move away from this 442. Struggling for players now.
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So relieved to get the win.
Absolutely love Martinez and what a save he made, Kamara is a Rolls Royce midfielder and despite Ash going down easily for the goal he was excellent.
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Fuck Leeds
Indeed.
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3 points ace. But fuck me that like a game of Hungry Hippos.
That is a perfect summary of the game
Apart from the fact that I somehow didn't type "that *was* like a game of Hungry Hippos. :-)
At least you didn't miss out the 'that' as well.
Haha! Matron!
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
They were too busy wanking off about Gnonto for them
To be fair, he does look a serious talent.
It's Leeds, so no, I will not be fair.
Fair point, well made. Top knot wankers.
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Dion has been watching an entirely different game I think.
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3 points ace. But fuck me that like a game of Hungry Hippos.
That is a perfect summary of the game
Apart from the fact that I somehow didn't type "that *was* like a game of Hungry Hippos. :-)
I think it’s better without. It’s like all the memes - find someone who looks at you like x.
Villa - Find a team that fucks you like a hungry hippo
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Dion has been watching an entirely different game I think.
Konsa and Mings were excellent he reckoned 🤔
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Dion has been watching an entirely different game I think.
He is like your mad uncle at a party
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Leeds are a pretty weak team with overall poor quality.
Can see them getting releagted.
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Funny old game, first half our front four might aswell not have been on the pitch but our CBs were solid. Second half, all the front players improved with Buendia dropping deeper but our CBs, Konsa particularly, went to bits. We badly need Carlos back fit and Konsa/Mings simply aren't able to cope when the opposition presses them. Mings slip on half way line was shocking. Two injuries in first 20 mins and left having to bring Sanson and Coutinho on for a finish meant we were really scraping the barrel but a big win after the debacle last weekend.
Martinez 8 - that save in first half was outstanding. Dominant
Young 8 - brilliant for about 70 mins until his legs went (could Chambers not have come on), covering Konsa throughout
Konsa 5 - fine in first half but really poor in second, indecisive to put it mildly
Mings 6 - solid first half but very lucky to get away with that slip
Moreno 6 - very shaky first half after he came on but saw his quality going forward in second
Luiz 7 - a player that polarises opinion but Tom Daley dive aside in first half thought he was solid and showed leadership in second
Kamara 8 - great assist for first goal and very strong throughout
Buendia 7 - anonymous in first half, dropped deeper in second and far more involved. That header was tricky too and finished it well
Ramsey 6 - same impact as Buendia in first half, more involved in second without any telling contribution
Bailey 8 - great goal and his shot made second, confidence grew in second half, decision making still a bit iffy
Ings 6 - tried hard, missed big chance to finish game after nice pass by Luiz
Coutinho did well actually, Sanson not really involved
Emery 6 - not for the first time it shouldn't have taken until half time to change things tactically. Need to move away from this 442. Struggling for players now.
Watkins?
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I think my blood pressure is starting to come down now, had the opportunities to get the 3rd and put the game to bed, if we'd had a bit more quality in the final third. Martinez, Young and Kamara all superb.
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Dion has been watching an entirely different game I think.
Mings and Konsa were excellent according to the Dion apparently
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Marsch comes across like an over enthusiastic school PE teacher.
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Routine win
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Marsch comes across like an over enthusiastic school PE teacher.
He's a prat.
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Funny old game, first half our front four might aswell not have been on the pitch but our CBs were solid. Second half, all the front players improved with Buendia dropping deeper but our CBs, Konsa particularly, went to bits. We badly need Carlos back fit and Konsa/Mings simply aren't able to cope when the opposition presses them. Mings slip on half way line was shocking. Two injuries in first 20 mins and left having to bring Sanson and Coutinho on for a finish meant we were really scraping the barrel but a big win after the debacle last weekend.
Martinez 8 - that save in first half was outstanding. Dominant
Young 8 - brilliant for about 70 mins until his legs went (could Chambers not have come on), covering Konsa throughout
Konsa 5 - fine in first half but really poor in second, indecisive to put it mildly
Mings 6 - solid first half but very lucky to get away with that slip
Moreno 6 - very shaky first half after he came on but saw his quality going forward in second
Luiz 7 - a player that polarises opinion but Tom Daley dive aside in first half thought he was solid and showed leadership in second
Kamara 8 - great assist for first goal and very strong throughout
Buendia 7 - anonymous in first half, dropped deeper in second and far more involved. That header was tricky too and finished it well
Ramsey 6 - same impact as Buendia in first half, more involved in second without any telling contribution
Bailey 8 - great goal and his shot made second, confidence grew in second half, decision making still a bit iffy
Ings 6 - tried hard, missed big chance to finish game after nice pass by Luiz
Coutinho did well actually, Sanson not really involved
Emery 6 - not for the first time it shouldn't have taken until half time to change things tactically. Need to move away from this 442. Struggling for players now.
Watkins?
I don't think it's fair to rate him or Digne given how little game time they had. I think Watkins getting a konck and then having to come off was a big part of why we were struggling to turn them around in the first half. 2nd half we pushed Bailey higher and had Ings and Buendia deeper and we looked far better.
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Good result that - Leeds really are a dirty bunch and for me, there was only ever going to be one winner.
13/18 since Unai came in - really can’t ask for more than that. Keep developing, keep learning how Unai wants to play the game, I think we will start to see more consistency.
And Moreno is quick!!
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Just imagine how good Kamara will be in 2-3 years. He’s head and shoulders our best player.
He’s not Emi standard yet….
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Just imagine how good Kamara will be in 2-3 years. He’s head and shoulders our best player.
He’s not Emi standard yet….
He's better than Buendia...
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Despite all their possession, Leeds did fuck all with it. They had 4 shots on target to our 5. With more composure up top, we'd have put them to bed and avoided the late stress. Why did their keeper not get sent off? Martinez made a couple of good saves. That's what he does. That's what he's there for. The fact that he makes it look so easy is just what he does!! Kamara was outstanding and I want us to sign him his Marseille mate to play next to him. A useful 3 points, rode our luck a little bit but we continue to learn and develop. I do hope for another couple of players in. Moreno was much more settled in the second half and looks a threat going forward.
Yes, good point forgot about this.
That was a straight red!
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3 points is all that matters. We were due a bit of good fortune and we received it.
A few more ins are still needed.
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
They were too busy wanking off about Gnonto for them
Let’s be honest he looks a player.
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Good to win when you’re not playing well and that’s a game that we would have lost under most of our previous managers so the Unai effect is clear to see.
I thought Leeds were good in attack but naïve and how are we going to replace Ashley Young? He was immense and taught the young Leeds winger a few football lessons.
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Kamara was outstanding tonight so I’m wondering why Sky gave MoM to Bailey??
They were too busy wanking off about Gnonto for them
Let’s be honest he looks a player.
Agree he was their stand out player, looks a real find. We need to find our version
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Kamara is such a wonderful footballer. The best in our squad by a country mile. Mings & Konsa wont be our long term CBs. They just cant do it. The style Emery wants is beyond their ability levels. Its a good job we have Carlos as a starting point when he is back fit next season. A left footed CB to partner him & we will become a very different side. A less shit one. Yet, we still won while playing shit today. That would not have happened under Gerrard & maybe its a glimpse of where we could be heading. But I cant get too excited too early. Villa have broken my heart more times than I care to remember. So cautiously thinking, over time, we might become a little less shit than we are now...
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I can't see the point of rating Moreno, who has been here for 5 minutes, and whose debut was prematurely precipitated by Digne's injury. Then again, they are all overpaid prima donnas so fuck it! 6 it is!
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Despite all their possession, Leeds did fuck all with it. They had 4 shots on target to our 5. With more composure up top, we'd have put them to bed and avoided the late stress. Why did their keeper not get sent off? Martinez made a couple of good saves. That's what he does. That's what he's there for. The fact that he makes it look so easy is just what he does!! Kamara was outstanding and I want us to sign him his Marseille mate to play next to him. A useful 3 points, rode our luck a little bit but we continue to learn and develop. I do hope for another couple of players in. Moreno was much more settled in the second half and looks a threat going forward.
Yes, good point forgot about this.
That was a straight red!
As I said on the match thread, I'm not sure the professional foul aspect (i.e. stopping a scoring chance) was a straight red and I'm not sure it was quite dangerous enough to be a straight red (but it was borderline) but it was definitely wortha yellow in both cases. I've never even thought about someone getting 2 yellows for the same foul so no idea if it's a thing but I think he was a very lucky boy.
I thought Koch was lucky as well because before his booking he had already gone straight through the back of Ramsey and got away with it.
I'm also not sure how Adams and Ayling got away without being booked, both seemed to kick anyone who went near them all game.
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How is Ayling a Premier League player? I'm all for players who come up through the divisions, but he looks like he should still be at Yeovil Town.
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Our shithousery is improving
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How is Ayling a Premier League player? I'm all for players who come up through the divisions, but he looks like he should still be at Yeovil Town.
Someone needs to snap that jumped up little prick.
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Our shithousery is improving
I hope Emi doesn't pick up too many more bookings though. We don't want that plank Olsen back in goal any time soon!
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Just realised why I don’t post much…. Some people see the game in a totally different way….. sorry but I’m glass half full….that was - great win….enjoy it….
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A wins a win but that horific mistake by Mings could have turned the game, he is so good at desperate defending but looks too casual with the ball at his feet. We have a geat keeper, probably the best ever, a couple of saves were unbelievable. Bailey was a constant threat all day, but Danny needs replacing, he runs around a lot and it wasn't his fault they kept lobbing the ball up to him but i can't remember one instance where he affected the game. Kamara will attract big offers over the next twelve months.
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Aston Villa 2-1 Leeds United: Leon Bailey has hand in two goals as Villa win - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64182802
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Just seen the interview with their manager, he wasn't nearly as bitter as I'd hoped, I'm quite disappointed tbh.
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Oh and shout out to the referee - what a self entitled cnut. He books Kamara for time wasting at a free kick he’s given after watching a Leeds player scythe down a Villa player without even a word in their ear.
Why are referees so shit?
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That young lad for them looks about 30.
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That young lad for them looks about 30.
Youngest player ever to score for Italy
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Oh and shout out to the referee - what a self entitled cnut. He books Kamara for time wasting at a free kick he’s given after watching a Leeds player scythe down a Villa player without even a word in their ear.
Why are referees so shit?
Yep. At least we were on the right side of a VAR decision tonight though, without it the second wouldn't have stood. And he was miles onside.
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Absolutely beaming to have won that!
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Oh and shout out to the referee - what a self entitled cnut. He books Kamara for time wasting at a free kick he’s given after watching a Leeds player scythe down a Villa player without even a word in their ear.
Why are referees so shit?
Yep. At least we were on the right side of a VAR decision tonight though, without it the second wouldn't have stood. And he was miles onside.
Probably trying to make up for the Sheffield United gaffe.
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Oh and shout out to the referee - what a self entitled cnut. He books Kamara for time wasting at a free kick he’s given after watching a Leeds player scythe down a Villa player without even a word in their ear.
Why are referees so shit?
It looked like he booked someone for time wasting while Marsch was on the sideline trying to make a substitution...
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Michael Oliver was practically consoling one of the Leedzzz defenders when he knew he'd have to overturn Buendia's offside.
That's on you, Pugsley Addams. Shit decision in the first place.
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Kamara is just a different level…..what a player.
Ashley is timeless….he has another 10 years in him if he carries on like this.
I thought Ings had probably the worst game since he joined us….very poor.
Special mention to the Leeds fans,,,cheering when the ref indicated a stretcher for Digne and cheering as he walked past them, obviously injured.
What a classy bunch of cnuts they are.
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That was not good for my blood pressure
Nor mine. My Fitbit once recorded two hours vigorous exercise whilst I was sitting down at Villa Park!
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Emery masterclass.2-0 cruising and Sanson lost his man to make it harder than it would have been. Very encouraging none the less; Young immense but Kamara was different gravy.
I have no idea how you can come to the conclusion that Sanson was at fault for the goal, Gnonto was marked by Young who went downa bit too easily which gave them the space to get through. Sanson did his best to try to get a challenge in but when you're racing back to cover there's always a risk the attacker will cut back like that and there's not much you can do about it.
And also somehow blame the manager for bringing him on, unless i read that wrong
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As incompetent as we were in the main a welcome 3 points.
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It was a good win against a side who played with a lot of energy and bite. I can see Digne struggling to get back in the side ahead of Moreno after tonight. Kamara looks the real deal.
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Cracking result, though i think i aged about 5 years during the game itself.
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Just seen the interview with their manager, he wasn't nearly as bitter as I'd hoped, I'm quite disappointed tbh.
Says he’s happy to continue lose if they play like that.
I’d be fucking overjoyed if they continue to lose and piss off back to the championship.
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Emery masterclass.2-0 cruising and Sanson lost his man to make it harder than it would have been. Very encouraging none the less; Young immense but Kamara was different gravy.
I have no idea how you can come to the conclusion that Sanson was at fault for the goal, Gnonto was marked by Young who went downa bit too easily which gave them the space to get through. Sanson did his best to try to get a challenge in but when you're racing back to cover there's always a risk the attacker will cut back like that and there's not much you can do about it.
And also somehow blame the manager for bringing him on, unless i read that wrong
Sanson was to blame though. He got rolled.
It was poor by him.
Young was arguably fouled but Sanson failed in his job unlike Kamara, Douglas Luiz and Ramsey who covered well a few times.
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Great result - Kamara, Young, Emi and Bailey all excellent
Everyone else a bit shit. Defence was ok first half - second half mings and konsa looked lost for 30 mins
I don't know, Mings and Konsa cut out so many crosses from them especially from those set pieces near the end. That Gnotto guy was a right nuisance, great battle between him and Young all night.
Very average performance to be generous. Thought we'd have lift off after the really good Bailey strike (yet another frustrating performance from him) but after that Leeds largely dominated and we really didn't want to take any risks at all until we went 2 up and they started playing about 4 upfront.
After Bouba, thought Moreno had a fantastic debut. Was brave in the challenges and can tell straight away he has excellent technique so hopefully he won't just forget how to play football in a few weeks like pretty much all our LBs do after 2-3 games.
Think we need to tweak our structure a bit. Bouba can't play that well yet Leeds still cut through us on many occasions. We really need to tell Luiz to drop in and not expect Kamara to intercept every move, he's played DM for us for about three seasons now so he should have that nous in him.
Also a bit surprised we didn't try to shut down their left at 2-0 up, Gnotto was their dangerman all night yet we were still trying to overload the central positions when they just had Adams in there and he's more of a DM? Bit odd and cost us a goal really (and they could've easily scored from plenty of other similar situations).
That was very definition of a hard fought win. Did we even have a corner all game?If Ollie is out for a few weeks I imagine we'll be getting in another CF soon so that could be something to look forward to next week.
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Our shithousery is improving
I hope Emi doesn't pick up too many more bookings though. We don't want that plank Olsen back in goal any time soon!
Well we're passed the first possible ban window now so he can get another 6 before we need to start worrying.
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Kamara is such a wonderful footballer. The best in our squad by a country mile. Mings & Konsa wont be our long term CBs. They just cant do it. The style Emery wants is beyond their ability levels. Its a good job we have Carlos as a starting point when he is back fit next season. A left footed CB to partner him & we will become a very different side. A less shit one. Yet, we still won while playing shit today. That would not have happened under Gerrard & maybe its a glimpse of where we could be heading. But I cant get too excited too early. Villa have broken my heart more times than I care to remember. So cautiously thinking, over time, we might become a little less shit than we are now...
How do you know Carlos is the answer??
I’m guessing it cus he’s not one of the incumbents…..I he may well be but nothing is proved yet and both of them played their part tonight especially Tyrone!!
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Just seen the interview with their manager, he wasn't nearly as bitter as I'd hoped, I'm quite disappointed tbh.
Says he’s happy to continue loose if they play like that.
I’d be fucking overjoyed if they continue to lose and piss off back to the championship.
Marsch - “we were the better team”. He just doesn’t get it does he. If I were a Leeds fan, would be very worried.
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Leeds play on the front foot with tenacity, but break their press and they are
weak
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Defending is as much part of the game as attacking so I’m not making excuses for us winning…we won 2-1 end of.
Kamara outstanding
Martinez did everything expected of him
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Leeds play on the front foot with tenacity, but break their press and they are
weak
Their defence is shite. Bailey has no right foot so terrible defending by their LB to show him inside for both goals. Keeper is dodgy too. They'll concede loads of goals this season.
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Just seen the interview with their manager, he wasn't nearly as bitter as I'd hoped, I'm quite disappointed tbh.
Says he’s happy to continue loose if they play like that.
I’d be fucking overjoyed if they continue to lose and piss off back to the championship.
Marsch - “we were the better team”. He just doesn’t get it does he. If I were a Leeds fan, would be very worried.
I'd have some sympathy for him if:
They weren't a bunch of dirty pricks.
They didn't whine over every decision that doesn't go their way despite the above.
They hadn't had games go exactly the same as today ever since they came back up because they can't defend for shit and aren't as good going forward as they'd need to be to get away with it.
Also worth a special mention for the entire footballing press that seem to ignore all of the above and blow smoke up their arses, making the club and fans think they're much better liked than they really are. It'll be a great day when they fuck off back into obscurity for another 15-20years.
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One deflected shot and a great save from Emi equated to our goal leading a "charmed life" in the first half according to SSN.
Your team lost, get over it.
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Leeds pressing was intense first half, we were smothered. Predictably they can’t keep that up and we were much better second half. Thought Ashley Young was excellent on what was a testing night for him, one mistake when he played for the foul and they went on to score. We clearly need a better striker and cover for Bailey. Very stressful but I love a Friday night win!
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God almighty .I've had to listen to the total Leeds wankfest on Now TV and have just read the BBC review of the game. Get over it you spunk covered arseholes. We we won.
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Martinez, Mings, Konsa and Young were magnificent in defence tonight. Kamara was superb as well. Moreno had a great debut and in the second half Buendia played very well.
They are such a physical team and make it tough but I thought we dealt with it brilliantly and made enough chances and maybe a little more ruthless it wouldn’t have been so nerve racking at the end.
Considering the two injuries so early on you have to give massive credit to the manager. He’s completely changed this team around so quickly and they look so much more organised and confident. We do give the ball away a bit too carelessly at times but they are really trying to move it much quicker than they were under Gerrard.
Fantastic result.
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I was very happy with the win, glad we don't get points for performances. Again it was better in the 2nd half, but apart from Kamara we struggled in midfield.
We knew they would play an energetic high press, so we should have varied the tactics more. We could have tried going longer into the space behind, rather than playing out and trying to break the lines, as it floundered too often in our midfield.
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Dion has been watching an entirely different game I think.
Konsa and Mings were excellent he reckoned 🤔
Mings fell over for one of their counters but can't think of anything else. Konsa cut out plenty of their crosses from the left late on.
They have their flaws but I'm struggling to see how much more dominant they could be in the situation especially as we were pretty open centrally on the occasions Leeds got past Bouba.
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I wonder will Emery make us press aggressively like Leeds did. Wolves did it too and we didn't have any response until the half time whistle saved us in both games.
Both those teams have more physicality than us, I do worry that we're too light-weight. Moreno is another player who must be eight stone wet-through.
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Just seen the interview with their manager, he wasn't nearly as bitter as I'd hoped, I'm quite disappointed tbh.
Says he’s happy to continue loose if they play like that.
I’d be fucking overjoyed if they continue to lose and piss off back to the championship.
Marsch - “we were the better team”. He just doesn’t get it does he. If I were a Leeds fan, would be very worried.
He’s like big kid. Can’t stand the bloke, waving his arms about and pointing at his watch. Could’ve done with a 4th official to stop him coaching from on the pitch.
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Signing that fella from Marseille could help change that. He looks pretty tough and is good with the ball.
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One deflected shot and a great save from Emi equated to our goal leading a "charmed life" in the first half according to SSN.
Your team lost, get over it.
Wasn't there a cracking goalline clearence by Moreno aswell?
They played well and I think there's three worse teams than them in this division.
Will probably have to whisper this quietly but I'd prefer them to stay up as there's always some sort of edge between us stemming from the championship seasons so more interesting home and away game than playing half of this division these days.
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To answer this:
Leeds pressing was intense first half, we were smothered. Predictably they can’t keep that up and we were much better second half. Thought Ashley Young was excellent on what was a testing night for him, one mistake when he played for the foul and they went on to score. We clearly need a better striker and cover for Bailey. Very stressful but I love a Friday night win!
and this:
We knew they would play an energetic high press, so we should have varied the tactics more. We could have tried going longer into the space behind, rather than playing out and trying to break the lines, as it floundered too often in our midfield.
Our 'out' against a high press is the running and energy Watkins brings. Him getting injured after about 15minutes of play (accounting for the Digne injury break) and having to go off a little while afterwards meant we didn't have that option. Once we had chance to have a chat and reorganise we changed the shape and played Bailey as our furthest forward, dropped Buendia into midfield and had Ings trying to play as more of a 10 (but not really getting involved enough) and we were much more comfortable and dangerous in the 2nd half as a result. I think a lot of our problems in the first half were down to the injuries and we actually did a really good job of keeping things solid when our own plans were ruined.
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I think we played okay and deserved the win.
Leeds despite their chances never looked like winning.
Once Bailey scored I never really worried about anything, Leeds are a poor team, 2 wins in 17 games, they need massive investment which won't happen and despite all their effort and they did run around a lot, they're crap, starting with their keeper all the way to their so called striker. Every game for them is a cup final or they'll be marching on together back to where they belong.
Kamara as everybody could see is on another level. The back 5 did what they're paid to do, the midfield let us down with Ramsey who looked really rusty and never got into the game, Emi B who may as well have not played the first half and even Dougie let the game pass him by. Watkins and Ings up front may as well have not turned up due to the lack of service.
Bailey's goal was a move made in heaven. Starting with the brilliant ball from Young to Kamara, his driving forward with the ball glued to his feet, his lack of panic when reaching the Leeds box allowed him to play the perfect ball and Bailey just needed a touch to bring it inside and bury it. Liquid football I could get used to.
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One deflected shot and a great save from Emi equated to our goal leading a "charmed life" in the first half according to SSN.
Your team lost, get over it.
Wasn't there a cracking goalline clearence by Moreno aswell?
They played well and I think there's three worse teams than them in this division.
Will probably have to whisper this quietly but I'd prefer them to stay up as there's always some sort of edge between us stemming from the championship seasons so more interesting home and away game than playing half of this division these days.
If they'd scored that I'd have been fucking livid. The ref blew up for offside on the edge of their box and then let them take it quick (maybe even a rolling ball) midway in their own half, that's just basic incompetence.
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3 points ace. But fuck me that like a game of Hungry Hippos.
Brilliant :D
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Delighted with the win. I didn't think we played great overall and we rode our luck a little at times but there were spells in the game where we showed how good we could be become if we stick at it.
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Comfortable win. That’s what big teams do. Fuck off you Yorkshire Whites.
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Jessica Marsh must have watched a different game to me
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Big Emi - world class
Ash - defies biology
Moreno - excellent debut
Konsa/Mings - mostly solid
Dougie - slight off day
Kamara - world class
Buendia - anonymous first half, vastly improved after break
Ramsay, anonymous. Give him a pass for ring rust.
Bailey - not great but always seems to have an impact. Even in his desperately bad games somehow remains our biggest threat.
Ings - ran around a bit.
We’re in another race to progress enough to keep Emi and Kamara, similar to the one we lost when Joe left,
4 or 5 signings at Kamara’s level and we’ll be great. Guendouzi first please.
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Just got back.Bailey and Emi ok scored the goals but blimey, they lose the ball a lot. Also, Bailey doesn't trust his pace, a number of time he checked his run. We need better.
MotM, Young or Kamara, who just keeps getting better. Good debut from Moreno, looked a bit nervous at first but good 2nd half, already upgrade on Digne.
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A welcome 3 points if somewhat fortunate.
Bailey showed a lot of courage after the preposterous muff against Wolves. He doesn’t hide, he wants the ball and takes initiative when in possession. If only he would pass the bleedin’ thing after he’s jinked past a couple of players instead of trying to beat them again, Ings was tearing (what’s left of) his hair out.
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A welcome 3 points if somewhat fortunate.
Bailey showed a lot of courage after the preposterous muff against Wolves. He doesn’t hide, he wants the ball and takes initiative when in possession. If only he would pass the bleedin’ thing after he’s jinked past a couple of players instead of trying to beat them again, Ings was tearing (what’s left of) his hair out.
I honestly don't think it was fortunate at all, we weren't as fluent as we'd want going forward (in the first half at least) but we limited them to probably 2-3 genuinely good chances and created 4-5 ourselves.
They ran around a lot and were super aggressive but never really put us under heavy pressure.
Emi made a couple of good saves but that's not luck, it's what world class goalkeepers do.
We made a couple of good scramblnig defensive clearances but again, that what our defenders are really good at doing, they also had a couple of chances because our defenders made the sort of mistakes that hold them back from being chased by CL teams, again not luck just our players being exactly who they are.
We also weren't even lucky with decisions, the penalty shout for them would've been very soft (but will become a 100% stonewall pen and red card for people wantin to talk us down), the offsides for rodrigo and buendia were both 100% correct (and obviously so) and, if anything, they were lucky not to have a lot more fouls and bookings given against them.
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What was the actual penalty shout? That nice FK routine that completely did us and then there was a bit of contact before their forward went in on Emi?
Perhaps a nudge but a push and their player would've gone flying straight away so it would've been very soft and obviously not worthy of any review.
Thought their corners were terrible. Were so bad Buendia headed one away from edge of six yard box. Then they went with a diagonal back post attempt early in the second and Emi casually had a stroll through half their team to collect it with ease.
And of course the one we scored from twenty seconds later!
Strange team though as I enjoy watching them from open play much more than say Brentford.
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There’s winning ugly while playing badly…..and then there’s whatever the hell that was 🤷♂️
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A great three points. Level on points with Chelsea and three behind Liverpool - I wouldn’t have bet on that after the Fulham game.
A bit like one of the fixtures against this lot at VP under Deano I thought we got dragged into a bit of frantic game that suits them and not us.
Kamara is quite the player - we need to add some physicality in that midfield to help him. Young - surely our player of the season so far - had another excellent game.
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Was it that lot Deano used to talk about being "dragged into a basketball match" with ? Actually, maybe it was Gerrard who said it.
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A great three points. Level on points with Chelsea and three behind Liverpool - I wouldn’t have bet on that after the Fulham game.
A bit like one of the fixtures against this lot at VP under Deano I thought we got dragged into a bit of frantic game that suits them and not us.
Kamara is quite the player - we need to add some physicality in that midfield to help him. Young - surely our player of the season so far - had another excellent game.
Guendouzi would be a really good pick up for opponents like this so can see why we're looking at him.
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Reading the Graun comments section and apparently it’s really annoying how Villa time waste and generally shithouse teams.
Get it right fucking up you. Our turn.
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I don't want to pretend that performances don't matter if you're winning because all my experience as a Villa fan tells me that a winning while playing poorly is more likely to turn into losing while playing poorly than winning while playing well.
But it is 1 defeat in 6. Given Gerrard had mustered 2 in 11, both at home and one against a shit and under strength Everton team and the other against rock bottom Southampton, to be on the verge of the top and averaging a couple of goals a game is a massive turnaround.
Leeds always seem to pull us into these ding dong games at Villa Park too. We lost a two goal lead in our last year in Championship to lose late, were three nil down in no time in the lockdown year and we had to loopy 3-3 last season. They are a tricky opponent for us but we found a way tonight when we don't usually.
We have too many inconsistent players though and it isn't going to change. They are inconsistent from half to half let alone game to game. I think we might see a high player turnover in the next 12 months.
For now, I will take us being one of the 'form' team in the league.
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I wonder does Gerrard want us to win or fail when he's watching us on telly. Maybe VillaCrossTheMersey can ask, if he bumps into him on a dog-walk.
And we need someone to post a new video of those young fellas in Villa shirts in Ghana (?), singing "Leeds are falling apart, again" like after we did them last season.
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Was at the game earlier and it was good to get the win. Thought we started brightly and Bailey scored a great goal, but then just lost all momentum and were a bit lucky to go into the break with a lead. The fact we did was mainly down to a fantastic save by Emi Martinez and some good last ditch blocks.
We were better second half and looked like we were coasting after we went 2-0 up, but then conceded a poor goal (though I did think it was a foul on Ashley Young in the build up to it) and had a tense final few minutes.
Good to get the win though, especially over them. They remain a bunch of @rseholes both on and off the pitch and Luke Ayling remains one of the most detestable players in the game, the stupid ponytailed tw@t.
The realisation hit me through the game that the time has come to move on from some of the players if we are going to push on into the European spots. Thought Martinez, Young, Konsa and Mings had good games and Moreno did OK considering he wouldn't have been expecting to feature much. Thought Kamara was good throughout and was composed on the ball.
Bailey and Buendia scored our goals so it is a little hard to criticise, but both give the ball away far too often and constantly make mistakes. Douglas Luiz is in that category as well and they are all just so inconsistent during games. Luiz has played plenty of games for us now, but just doesn't seem to be getting any better and constantly makes mistakes. Watching the ghost of Danny Ings drift around the pitch in the second half confirmed we need to move on from him as well and get a far more mobile option up there.
Might seem harsh after we have just won, but we need to address these issues in the next two windows if we are really going to push on.
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Kamara is an outstanding footballer, i say it every week and I’ll be saying it till the end of the season. Martinez isn’t far behind and Young is heading for player of the year at this rate.
A well fought grind out a win type of game considering how poor we were first half. One gripe I have is our over watering of the pitch at half time. Mings slipped due to it and it nearly cost us. Is it that necessary?
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Kamara is an outstanding footballer, i say it every week and I’ll be saying it till the end of the season. Martinez isn’t far behind and Young is heading for player of the year at this rate.
A well fought grind out a win type of game considering how poor we were first half. One gripe I have is our over watering of the pitch at half time. Mings slipped due to it and it nearly cost us. Is it that necessary?
Up to Emery I suppose. I presume he wants any through balls or long kicks from them to skip through to Martinez.
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How is Ayling a Premier League player? I'm all for players who come up through the divisions, but he looks like he should still be at Yeovil Town.
Someone needs to snap that jumped up little prick.
Having seen how genuinely happy he was for Emi in the tunnel, congratulating him for the WC cup win, he might actually be a good sort.
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How is Ayling a Premier League player? I'm all for players who come up through the divisions, but he looks like he should still be at Yeovil Town.
Someone needs to snap that jumped up little prick.
Having seen how genuinely happy he was for Emi in the tunnel, congratulating him for the WC cup win, he might actually be a good sort.
Seem to remember reading something in the summer about what a decent bloke he is - charities, communities, volunteering etc.
Obviously his hair goes a long way to countering that though.
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Leeds have to play on the front foot ,harass and press because their defence is really shit with a goalkeeper who is prone to rushes of blood.
Whenever we did attack they panicked.
How good is Kamara?
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Mings slipped because instead of going forward, under no pressure he tried to turn and pass backwards.
this pissing about at the back is not pretty, nor blatant time wasting. two silly yellows for time wasting.
Anyway great start to the weekend, some midfield muscle and forward power additions and we could be aiming for 8th.
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One deflected shot and a great save from Emi equated to our goal leading a "charmed life" in the first half according to SSN.
Your team lost, get over it.
Wasn't there a cracking goalline clearence by Moreno aswell?
They played well and I think there's three worse teams than them in this division.
Will probably have to whisper this quietly but I'd prefer them to stay up as there's always some sort of edge between us stemming from the championship seasons so more interesting home and away game than playing half of this division these days.
Moreno blocked the ball at near the post, not on the goal line and that along with the save were the only chances the SSN showed from the first half. It's about the choice of language, they had plenty of possession in the first half but, and this is reflected in the stats, few chances. I thought it was a fairly even game and I'd certainly like to see us to play better, but some of the reporting is almost Small Heath/Tattum-like moral victory nonsense.
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Watched the game over breakfast, knowing the score, so less emotion than usual. We were certainly lucky to lead at half-time; they have several really good chances. And if Rodrigo played for Scum or Arsenal, they would have had a penalty too.
We were poor first half with no attacking play. We did better after having gone 2-0 up and finally we created good chances and played some pretty football in bits but over the whole match we were a bit fortunate. Which, given it was Leeds, makes it extra satisfying.
Young would maybe have been my MoM if it weren't for him being at fault for their goal. Sanson could maybe have done better too but I can't put any real blame on him for us conceding.
Kamara immense and Buendia, whom I rarely praise, had a very good game.
Ramsey and Ings anonymous.
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Just noticed from the highlights the run Digne made for the first goal to drag one of the Leeds defenders off Kamara. Quite the effort.
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Bouncing back with a win is always good!
Stevenage proved they’re better than dirty Leeds.
Young’s slip was costly, but thankfully we were able to see the game out. Kamara and Emi were outstanding. Solid debut from Moreno; he was involved at both ends of the pitch.
Ref was awful throughout!
Did Leeds fans sing at all for their team? I couldn’t hear them from where I was sitting. Great atmosphere in the Holte particularly 2nd half! UTV!
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Continue the love in for Leeds, we'll move up the table nicely thank you very much
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How is Ayling a Premier League player? I'm all for players who come up through the divisions, but he looks like he should still be at Yeovil Town.
Someone needs to snap that jumped up little prick.
Having seen how genuinely happy he was for Emi in the tunnel, congratulating him for the WC cup win, he might actually be a good sort.
Seem to remember reading something in the summer about what a decent bloke he is - charities, communities, volunteering etc.
Obviously his hair goes a long way to countering that though.
Yes, I think Ayling seems a good bloke, plays with a smile on his face, didn’t notice anything untoward and although it was competitive and feisty didn’t think there was actual needle in the game. The only problem I have with Leeds is Marsch. He is graceless and classless, and he doesn’t know how to do - or won’t do -a respectful handshake. Gnonto is very good. Kamara is better still though, what a performance by him.
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Don't get the hate for Ayling either, seems a decent bloke
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Kamara - what a player. I not be long before the scum bag tabloids are pushing him onto Liverpool or Man Yoo.
Bailey - Needed that goal. Said in the pre match if he scores insides 5 minutes he’ll find his confidence.
Luke Ayling - he’s got my hair cut and my commitment to his team. Love to hate him but imagine 11 players with that commitment (not talent).
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Bouncing back with a win is always good!
Stevenage proved they’re better than dirty Leeds.
Young’s slip was costly, but thankfully we were able to see the game out. Kamara and Emi were outstanding. Solid debut from Moreno; he was involved at both ends of the pitch.
Ref was awful throughout!
Did Leeds fans sing at all for their team? I couldn’t hear them from where I was sitting. Great atmosphere in the Holte particularly 2nd half! UTV!
They did their usual two song repertoire of ‘We are Leeds’ and ‘Losing All Together.’
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5 Live's sports bulletin this morning. "...a result that leaves them level on points with Chelsea, would you believe!"
Fuck off with with your patronising ad-libs. There is nothing level about the Villa and a plastic, rouble-laundering historical non-entity.
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Don't get the hate for Ayling either, seems a decent bloke
I agree.
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Don't get the hate for Ayling either, seems a decent bloke
I agree.
Same.
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Leeds dirty bastards as usual especially early on although this time they weren’t ‘just dirty’, I was impressed with their high tempo hustle bustle otherwise. Their manager is the most irritating prick of a manager I’ve seen for some time. We had a lot of positives after the shit show in the cup but we’ll need to play better. Martinez great as ever, Young excellent until he tired towards the end. Kamara is class, brilliant run for our first goal, Bailey had a good game and took his goal well. Buendia waste of a shirt first half but better second. New guy looked good, excellent if you consider the circumstances of coming on as an early sub after only signing 2 days ago. Some of his forward play could potentially give us a new dimension and against less physical in your face teams he should have a field day. Coutinho had a few decent touches, the rest of the team were off it somewhat. Good 3 points though.
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5 Live's sports bulletin this morning. "...a result that leaves them level on points with Chelsea, would you believe!"
Fuck off with with your patronising ad-libs. There is nothing level about the Villa and a plastic, rouble-laundering historical non-entity.
Well said.
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Considering we had to change our game plan after 5 minutes and again after 30 minutes, with a new defender who doesn't even know the Tea Lady's name it was no wonder we looked 'lost' in the first half.
Regrouped during the interval and played much better the second half.
Under the circumstances a remarkable victory. Well done.
Like the way Moreno runs 'off the ball' into the 18 yard box a lot. Not the usual blinkered full back and must be a nightmare to defend against.
Onwards and upwards :)
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Just seen the interview with their manager, he wasn't nearly as bitter as I'd hoped, I'm quite disappointed tbh.
Says he’s happy to continue loose if they play like that.
I’d be fucking overjoyed if they continue to lose and piss off back to the championship.
Marsch - “we were the better team”. He just doesn’t get it does he. If I were a Leeds fan, would be very worried.
I'd have some sympathy for him if:
They weren't a bunch of dirty pricks.
They didn't whine over every decision that doesn't go their way despite the above.
They hadn't had games go exactly the same as today ever since they came back up because they can't defend for shit and aren't as good going forward as they'd need to be to get away with it.
Also worth a special mention for the entire footballing press that seem to ignore all of the above and blow smoke up their arses, making the club and fans think they're much better liked than they really are. It'll be a great day when they fuck off back into obscurity for another 15-20years.
Fucking hear hear Paul, spot on.
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As much as I hate playing Leeds and their fans strange obsession with Mings, they really are a tough team to play against. They have to be the hardest working team in the league. I don’t even think they are dirty, just incredibly determined. They work hard to the end, a little bit more quality and they would be further up the table.
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As much as I hate playing Leeds and their fans strange obsession with Mings, they really are a tough team to play against. They have to be the hardest working team in the league. I don’t even think they are dirty, just incredibly determined. They work hard to the end, a little bit more quality and they would be further up the table.
The obsession with Mings, he was the only survivor in our team from the day Bamford blatantly cheated and Bielsa made a gesture that he wouldn’t have made if there was anything resting on the game for them…..& the other reason is a bit more obvious
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I'm also absolutely loving opponents frothing at our time wasting and gamesmanship. I don't think it's entirely justified or any worse than those teams that have been doing it for years, but the very fact it's happening and working and upsetting the opposition is great.
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It's suddenly a massive problem in the game now we're doing it. The problem for the authorities is that if they sanction us, they have to sanction their favourite clubs as well.
We really are getting up peoples hooters recently, fucking magic.
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As much as I hate playing Leeds and their fans strange obsession with Mings, they really are a tough team to play against. They have to be the hardest working team in the league. I don’t even think they are dirty, just incredibly determined. They work hard to the end, a little bit more quality and they would be further up the table.
The obsession with Mings, he was the only survivor in our team from the day Bamford blatantly cheated and Bielsa made a gesture that he wouldn’t have made if there was anything resting on the game for them…..& the other reason is a bit more obvious
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bielsa had been booked in the first half of that game and was looking at a potential touchline ban for the play-offs. That got forgotten in the aftermath.
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As much as I hate playing Leeds and their fans strange obsession with Mings, they really are a tough team to play against. They have to be the hardest working team in the league. I don’t even think they are dirty, just incredibly determined. They work hard to the end, a little bit more quality and they would be further up the table.
The obsession with Mings, he was the only survivor in our team from the day Bamford blatantly cheated and Bielsa made a gesture that he wouldn’t have made if there was anything resting on the game for them…..& the other reason is a bit more obvious
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bielsa had been booked in the first half of that game and was looking at a potential touchline ban for the play-offs. That got forgotten in the aftermath.
And the footage always shown of it ignores the context of us putting the ball out when on the attack for their injured player just beforehand.
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A Super Super Victory on so many levels. Congratulations to the players for a great performance to get the win.
It was important to bounce straight back after the Stevenage debacle - they did that.
Bailey took his goal ever so well and I thought it could be another Brentford level massacre. The injuries damaged our well worked game plan so Mr Emery adjusts accordingly with what he has.
The defence I saw blocks, interceptions, clearances - fantastic.
Martínez - only Man shitty or Real Madrid would pay £75m for this guy otherwise he’s going nowhere- what a magnificent save !!
Moreno - a couple of curled crosses were beauties and good clearance to prevent a goal.
Kamara - Rolls Royce of a player. Goodness me ! Passing, movement, running - my MOTM.
Dougie was solid as was Buendia getting his goal.
JJ - glad to be back, needs a bit more fitness and time.
Commentators - Leeds are ‘something’ to write about due to Revie / DOL wankfest over the years but haven’t done fuck all since to warrant it and the anti-villa bias due to us soundly beating ManUre (Neville) and lucky-to-have-had-Gerrard (Carragher) that feeds everyone else.
The non mention of Kamara is called the ‘Pepe’ effect. Mysteriously the most expensive player in Arse’s history was never mentioned in debate or commentary- either during sky / bt / bbc pundits / almost like they had been told not to. Kamara must have slipped through one of the Super league twat’s radar and they’re kicking themselves we’ve got a £50m player for free and now want him but not prepared to acknowledge how good he is. He can’t be ignored for long! He’s too good.
Hanging onto a lead with minutes to play requires a level of concentration, energy and luck - we managed it - hold us in good stead when we’re in the same position.
I was counting down the hours for this match and I’m so pleased to have come away with the points - beat the saints away and we have a break before some tough fixtures in Feb.
What a rollercoaster!
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That and the Sheff Utd goal still rankle with so many people. Let's hope this is the case forever. And ever.
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Really enjoyed last night
Atmosphere fantastic from the start, thought the fans really got behind the team
Performance was good and it looked like the players were right at it,great goal from Bailey. Once Watkins went off it was clear to see just what he brings to the game . Another striker should be a priority
Even got my Half Time pint in under 5 minutes
Just read there was a 'police incident' by the North Stand / Witton Lane after , anybody know what happened
Ashley Young = absolutely incredible
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This made me laugh in fairness..
https://twitter.com/Dangerous_GK/status/1614021216444076034?t=t825f4r1VjPbeAdRP3tiaw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/Dangerous_GK/status/1614021216444076034?t=t825f4r1VjPbeAdRP3tiaw&s=19)
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First 3 or so minutes of the first half were class the rest was absolute rubbish, about 10 minutes actual football played in the whole half, both sides spoiling and fucking about, crap
Second half a bit better, Win when we don’t play well is the mantra which is fine but we need to be doing a lot better than that and we have done already with Emery and I’m sure we will
Kamara is going to be world class if he’s not already
Still not convinced with either centre backs on their footballing ability to play out
Martinez, without him we don’t win simple as that, best in the land
Moreno looks ok to me and will improve when he adjusts to the prem, high hopes from me
I still think we are to negative and pass the ball back to players who have little football ability to much when a forward option would be a lot better
Walking back to star city got chatting to a few Leeds lads who thought they deserved a draw out of the game but said the difference was we have a top manager
Couldn’t agree more
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I still cannot believe we got Boubacar Kamara for nothing.
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Dublin is an awful pundit , which i don’t like saying
He is. He comes across as a nice fella but he talks rubbish.
I am pretty sure i heard him say that he thought Buendia was Villa's best palyer last night?
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As much as I hate playing Leeds and their fans strange obsession with Mings, they really are a tough team to play against. They have to be the hardest working team in the league. I don’t even think they are dirty, just incredibly determined. They work hard to the end, a little bit more quality and they would be further up the table.
The obsession with Mings, he was the only survivor in our team from the day Bamford blatantly cheated and Bielsa made a gesture that he wouldn’t have made if there was anything resting on the game for them…..& the other reason is a bit more obvious
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bielsa had been booked in the first half of that game and was looking at a potential touchline ban for the play-offs. That got forgotten in the aftermath.
And the footage always shown of it ignores the context of us putting the ball out when on the attack for their injured player just beforehand.
Also, Bielsa didn't 'make the gesture', Dean Smith made him.
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Don't get the hate for Ayling either, seems a decent bloke
Agreed, i like him and he’s done very well from where he started out, always one of their better players when we play them.
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As much as I hate playing Leeds and their fans strange obsession with Mings, they really are a tough team to play against. They have to be the hardest working team in the league. I don’t even think they are dirty, just incredibly determined. They work hard to the end, a little bit more quality and they would be further up the table.
The obsession with Mings, he was the only survivor in our team from the day Bamford blatantly cheated and Bielsa made a gesture that he wouldn’t have made if there was anything resting on the game for them…..& the other reason is a bit more obvious
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bielsa had been booked in the first half of that game and was looking at a potential touchline ban for the play-offs. That got forgotten in the aftermath.
And the footage always shown of it ignores the context of us putting the ball out when on the attack for their injured player just beforehand.
Also, Bielsa didn't 'make the gesture', Dean Smith made him.
And Terry, he looked like he did it because he was shit scared of them
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That was at the time when some Small Heath clown said we were out of control and he was reporting us to the FA.
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That was at the time when some Small Heath clown said we were out of control and he was reporting us to the FA.
Ha ha, really?! Brilliant. I guess a similar time to Brizzle City fans checking our accounts.
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As much as I hate playing Leeds and their fans strange obsession with Mings, they really are a tough team to play against. They have to be the hardest working team in the league. I don’t even think they are dirty, just incredibly determined. They work hard to the end, a little bit more quality and they would be further up the table.
The obsession with Mings, he was the only survivor in our team from the day Bamford blatantly cheated and Bielsa made a gesture that he wouldn’t have made if there was anything resting on the game for them…..& the other reason is a bit more obvious
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bielsa had been booked in the first half of that game and was looking at a potential touchline ban for the play-offs. That got forgotten in the aftermath.
Absolutely, had completely forgotten that
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I'm also absolutely loving opponents frothing at our time wasting and gamesmanship. I don't think it's entirely justified or any worse than those teams that have been doing it for years, but the very fact it's happening and working and upsetting the opposition is great.
People also tend to forget that the time wasting led to another 7 full minutes of added on time, even though the board was held up and said 6 minutes. We coped with those 7 minutes with ease. For all their huff and puff, Leeds failed.
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Let's be honest, the reason they hate Mings is nothing to do with football, it's because he is a intelligent, successful black man who speaks his mind.Fuck Leeds and their scumbag support, one of the few clubs who if they ceased to exist I wouldn't shed a tear.
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The way in which Leeds have re-invented themselves as some proper, old-fashioned sleeping giant with wonderful supporters is one of the great marketing jobs of the century.
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What was quite apparent was that Villa players are far better quality than Leeds and Leeds had to play to a high standard to try and get something and still didn't. Our quality in Bailey and Buendia as well as Martinez to their error prone keeper.
We were the far more composed when in possession I felt.
And probably like Stevenage played a bit too casual at times
It seemed at times like a practice match performance from our players and its all a learning process.
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Just seen the interview with their manager, he wasn't nearly as bitter as I'd hoped, I'm quite disappointed tbh.
Says he’s happy to continue loose if they play like that.
I’d be fucking overjoyed if they continue to lose and piss off back to the championship.
Marsch - “we were the better team”. He just doesn’t get it does he. If I were a Leeds fan, would be very worried.
I'd have some sympathy for him if:
They weren't a bunch of dirty pricks.
They didn't whine over every decision that doesn't go their way despite the above.
They hadn't had games go exactly the same as today ever since they came back up because they can't defend for shit and aren't as good going forward as they'd need to be to get away with it.
Also worth a special mention for the entire footballing press that seem to ignore all of the above and blow smoke up their arses, making the club and fans think they're much better liked than they really are. It'll be a great day when they fuck off back into obscurity for another 15-20years.
Fucking hear hear Paul, spot on.
Absolutely correct.
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Leeds are all energy and running. Their problem is that is all they are.
I thought we were poor by our own standards but a couple of moments of quality was enough.
That’s why Leeds are where they are in the table.
They still play as they did under Bielsa only they’re much blunter with it
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They reminded me of a decent championship team. Lots of energy, committed, but low on quality.
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They reminded me of a decent championship team. Lots of energy, committed, but low on quality.
They look like an American team. Like you say, lots of energy, all capable players, organised, but there's no spark.
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I'm also absolutely loving opponents frothing at our time wasting and gamesmanship. I don't think it's entirely justified or any worse than those teams that have been doing it for years, but the very fact it's happening and working and upsetting the opposition is great.
I thought we started it far too early last night. Wasn't Konsa booked for it after an hour? It only was upsetting our own play at that point. Konsa had a shocking second half I thought
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I'm also absolutely loving opponents frothing at our time wasting and gamesmanship. I don't think it's entirely justified or any worse than those teams that have been doing it for years, but the very fact it's happening and working and upsetting the opposition is great.
I thought we started it far too early last night. Wasn't Konsa booked for it after an hour? It only was upsetting our own play at that point. Konsa had a shocking second half I thought
What did he do that was so shocking?
Give me defensive lapses rather than "I can't stand him passing the ball sideways to Young five yards away all the time."
I thought he was huge in last 10 minutes, cut out plenty of dangerous crosses from Leeds. If he dosen't the ball probably goes to Bamford for more tap ins.
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I'm also absolutely loving opponents frothing at our time wasting and gamesmanship. I don't think it's entirely justified or any worse than those teams that have been doing it for years, but the very fact it's happening and working and upsetting the opposition is great.
It seems when we do it, its time wasting & disgraceful. When other teams do it, its "game management". Just heard Hinchcliffe praise Rotherham for doing it. One rule for others & all that...
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Strong battling performance. Committed, working hard, fighting for each other and the club - give me this and that will do for now.
The rest will improve. We've come such a long way already under Unai.
This is spot on.
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Don't get the hate for Ayling either, seems a decent bloke
Agreed, i like him and he’s done very well from where he started out, always one of their better players when we play them.
He is a filthy cheating whiny little bitch clogger who gives it out in spades & then screams blue murder like nobody on this earth when somebody so much as slightly invades his safe space. I have no idea what he does off the pitch & I have no desire to make him go bankrupt or anything, but on the pitch, I despise him & hope someone snaps the little prick in two.
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Don't get the hate for Ayling either, seems a decent bloke
Agreed, i like him and he’s done very well from where he started out, always one of their better players when we play them.
He is a filthy cheating whiny little bitch clogger who gives it out in spades & then screams blue murder like nobody on this earth when somebody so much as slightly invades his safe space. I have no idea what he does off the pitch & I have no desire to make him go bankrupt or anything, but on the pitch, I despise him & hope someone snaps the little prick in two.
"Filthy cheating whiny little bitch clogger" hahaha ha. I love that. Rant of the day 👏🏻
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Don't get the hate for Ayling either, seems a decent bloke
Agreed, i like him and he’s done very well from where he started out, always one of their better players when we play them.
He is a filthy cheating whiny little bitch clogger who gives it out in spades & then screams blue murder like nobody on this earth when somebody so much as slightly invades his safe space. I have no idea what he does off the pitch & I have no desire to make him go bankrupt or anything, but on the pitch, I despise him & hope someone snaps the little prick in two.
..and he has a top knot.
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I'm also absolutely loving opponents frothing at our time wasting and gamesmanship. I don't think it's entirely justified or any worse than those teams that have been doing it for years, but the very fact it's happening and working and upsetting the opposition is great.
It seems when we do it, its time wasting & disgraceful. When other teams do it, its "game management". Just heard Hinchcliffe praise Rotherham for doing it. One rule for others & all that...
We have had 10 yellow cards for time wasting this season, comfortably the highest in the league and all probably merited, so that suggests we are the worst at this season so far. It's certainly not a quality I enjoy. Teams that time waste have got lots lots of stick from Villa fans in the past as well.
Much of it is borne out of a lack of mutual confidence, so hopefully this will reduce as we improve.
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Leeds are all energy and running. Their problem is that is all they are.
I thought we were poor by our own standards but a couple of moments of quality was enough.
That’s why Leeds are where they are in the table.
They still play as they did under Bielsa only they’re much blunter with it
Yeah it was interesting, the had a few moments and their winger played well. I thought Rodrigo made intelligent runs as well. But it was noticeable that with our limited opportunities we were just much more incisive and clinical. The quality from Ash, Kamara, and Bailey for our first was just outstanding.
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I'm also absolutely loving opponents frothing at our time wasting and gamesmanship. I don't think it's entirely justified or any worse than those teams that have been doing it for years, but the very fact it's happening and working and upsetting the opposition is great.
It seems when we do it, its time wasting & disgraceful. When other teams do it, its "game management". Just heard Hinchcliffe praise Rotherham for doing it. One rule for others & all that...
We have had 10 yellow cards for time wasting this season, comfortably the highest in the league and all probably merited, so that suggests we are the worst at this season so far. It's certainly not a quality I enjoy. Teams that time waste have got lots lots of stick from Villa fans in the past as well.
Much of it is borne out of a lack of mutual confidence, so hopefully this will reduce as we improve.
I agree with you 100%. I just despise the double standards when it comes to Villa & other clubs from the media.
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They reminded me of a decent championship team. Lots of energy, committed, but low on quality.
They look like an American team. Like you say, lots of energy, all capable players, organised, but there's no spark.
2 wins in 18.
I comfortably predict they will be relegated if they keep their manager
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I have to admit, I hate our OTT time wasting and it won’t be long before it bites us on the bum. Why on earth collect yellows like this. It’s senseless. It’s easy to spot exactly when the ref has lost his patience, just pass it or punt it then. We will no doubt become the first team to get a red for this, for sure. Refs will start to pick our players out for it.. I believe it’s very high on their agenda right now.
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I'm also absolutely loving opponents frothing at our time wasting and gamesmanship. I don't think it's entirely justified or any worse than those teams that have been doing it for years, but the very fact it's happening and working and upsetting the opposition is great.
I thought we started it far too early last night. Wasn't Konsa booked for it after an hour? It only was upsetting our own play at that point. Konsa had a shocking second half I thought
What did he do that was so shocking?
Give me defensive lapses rather than "I can't stand him passing the ball sideways to Young five yards away all the time."
I thought he was huge in last 10 minutes, cut out plenty of dangerous crosses from Leeds. If he dosen't the ball probably goes to Bamford for more tap ins.
His inability to be in any way constructive with the ball is a real problem in breaking past an opposition press but my problem with him last night was that he was indecisive in the tackle and general decision making after half time. If you want specifics I'd have to go through the match thread where it was commented on a lot, Gary Neville was slating him too (and Mings to a degree).
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Surprising how little media attention Newcastle's shit-housing gets.
They're much worse at it than we are.
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I think that, particularly Emi, is now pushing the limits with the time wasting and think he will get sent off before too long as the referees are getting wise to this now.
Considering he had literally just got off the plane, Moreno looks a real player and think he will become our get out as he was taking up some great positions last night. Also, he put into a couple of great crosses which our other full backs can’t seem to do. For the price we’ve paid for him, he looks like a great acquisition.
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Don't get the hate for Ayling either, seems a decent bloke
Agreed, i like him and he’s done very well from where he started out, always one of their better players when we play them.
He is a filthy cheating whiny little bitch clogger who gives it out in spades & then screams blue murder like nobody on this earth when somebody so much as slightly invades his safe space. I have no idea what he does off the pitch & I have no desire to make him go bankrupt or anything, but on the pitch, I despise him & hope someone snaps the little prick in two.
..and he has a top knot.
‘ you think you’re fooling anyone with that topknot’
(Sandor Clegane GOT )
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Surprising how little media attention Newcastle's shit-housing gets.
They're much worse at it than we are.
Gets about as much attention as their ownership. No longer suits the media agenda to offer any critique.
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Surprising how little media attention Newcastle's shit-housing gets.
They're much worse at it than we are.
Eddie Howe's teams always are but he's that nice home counties chap with a smart haircut so...
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Surprising how little media attention Newcastle's shit-housing gets.
They're much worse at it than we are.
If you were a journalist would you dare criticise them….??
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"Hi, we have an exclusive interview with Eddie Howe if you can make it?"
"Great, where?"
"Oh just pop down to the embassy"
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I have to admit, I hate our OTT time wasting and it won’t be long before it bites us on the bum. Why on earth collect yellows like this. It’s senseless. It’s easy to spot exactly when the ref has lost his patience, just pass it or punt it then. We will no doubt become the first team to get a red for this, for sure. Refs will start to pick our players out for it.. I believe it’s very high on their agenda right now.
All teams who are ahead or trying to get a draw in games do it, but we seem to have taken it a step further and made it really obvious. Where I think it could end up costing us is that we are seeing a lot of added on time in our games and we haven't exactly got a great record when it comes to conceding late goals.
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Newcastle have had loads of stick for their time wasting, especially the Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal games.
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I'm also absolutely loving opponents frothing at our time wasting and gamesmanship. I don't think it's entirely justified or any worse than those teams that have been doing it for years, but the very fact it's happening and working and upsetting the opposition is great.
Sign of a successful team. Teams only waste time when they are holding out for a favourable result. In the past we didn’t do much shithousery ourselves and got upset with our opponents when they did it and there was an obvious reason for that.
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Leeds are all energy and running. Their problem is that is all they are.
I thought we were poor by our own standards but a couple of moments of quality was enough.
That’s why Leeds are where they are in the table.
They still play as they did under Bielsa only they’re much blunter with it
Yeah it was interesting, the had a few moments and their winger played well. I thought Rodrigo made intelligent runs as well. But it was noticeable that with our limited opportunities we were just much more incisive and clinical. The quality from Ash, Kamara, and Bailey for our first was just outstanding.
Yes, but having limited opportunities at home to Leeds, especially the first half where less than 10% of the play was in their third, will have to change if we're to be a consistently decent team.
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I'm so happy with the win.
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Leeds are all energy and running. Their problem is that is all they are.
I thought we were poor by our own standards but a couple of moments of quality was enough.
That’s why Leeds are where they are in the table.
They still play as they did under Bielsa only they’re much blunter with it
Yeah it was interesting, the had a few moments and their winger played well. I thought Rodrigo made intelligent runs as well. But it was noticeable that with our limited opportunities we were just much more incisive and clinical. The quality from Ash, Kamara, and Bailey for our first was just outstanding.
Yes, but having limited opportunities at home to Leeds, especially the first half where less than 10% of the play was in their third, will have to change if we're to be a consistently decent team.
Of course it will. But look at Brighton and Manure - they’re beating everyone, except us. Emery has made a bloody good start.
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I have to admit, I hate our OTT time wasting and it won’t be long before it bites us on the bum. Why on earth collect yellows like this. It’s senseless. It’s easy to spot exactly when the ref has lost his patience, just pass it or punt it then. We will no doubt become the first team to get a red for this, for sure. Refs will start to pick our players out for it.. I believe it’s very high on their agenda right now.
All teams who are ahead or trying to get a draw in games do it, but we seem to have taken it a step further and made it really obvious. Where I think it could end up costing us is that we are seeing a lot of added on time in our games and we haven't exactly got a great record when it comes to conceding late goals.
The Martinez booking was like he was putting a blindfold on for the firing squad. It was screamingly obvious the point at which the ref lost his patience. He could have wasted 5 seconds less by making a pass. From a world class shithouser, it was schoolboy stuff.
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We have been singled out for the refs to punish to make it seem like they are clamping down on it. They aren't, because every team in the league does it with impunity...
I'm also absolutely loving opponents frothing at our time wasting and gamesmanship. I don't think it's entirely justified or any worse than those teams that have been doing it for years, but the very fact it's happening and working and upsetting the opposition is great.
It seems when we do it, its time wasting & disgraceful. When other teams do it, its "game management". Just heard Hinchcliffe praise Rotherham for doing it. One rule for others & all that...
Bit weird to quote myself, but its part of the point, I have just watched the Brentford v Bournemouth game & sky were once again, praising Brentford for their clever "game management system" while time wasting. I have watched three games on Sky in two days. Two of the games praised the "game management" time wasting, the other team doing the "game management" were slated as disgraceful for the second or third time so far on Sky this season. Guess which was Villas game?
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Leeds are all energy and running. Their problem is that is all they are.
I thought we were poor by our own standards but a couple of moments of quality was enough.
That’s why Leeds are where they are in the table.
They still play as they did under Bielsa only they’re much blunter with it
Yeah it was interesting, the had a few moments and their winger played well. I thought Rodrigo made intelligent runs as well. But it was noticeable that with our limited opportunities we were just much more incisive and clinical. The quality from Ash, Kamara, and Bailey for our first was just outstanding.
Yes, but having limited opportunities at home to Leeds, especially the first half where less than 10% of the play was in their third, will have to change if we're to be a consistently decent team.
Of course it will. But look at Brighton and Manure - they’re beating everyone, except us. Emery has made a bloody good start.
Exactly!! We’re so conditioned with shite, we sometimes forget how to focus on the positives, 4 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat, with Man U, Brighton, Spurs and Liverpool in that mix. Its been excellent
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I have to admit, I hate our OTT time wasting and it won’t be long before it bites us on the bum. Why on earth collect yellows like this. It’s senseless. It’s easy to spot exactly when the ref has lost his patience, just pass it or punt it then. We will no doubt become the first team to get a red for this, for sure. Refs will start to pick our players out for it.. I believe it’s very high on their agenda right now.
All teams who are ahead or trying to get a draw in games do it, but we seem to have taken it a step further and made it really obvious. Where I think it could end up costing us is that we are seeing a lot of added on time in our games and we haven't exactly got a great record when it comes to conceding late goals.
The Martinez booking was like he was putting a blindfold on for the firing squad. It was screamingly obvious the point at which the ref lost his patience. He could have wasted 5 seconds less by making a pass. From a world class shithouser, it was schoolboy stuff.
And you don't think he didn't know that any bookings received last night were wiped off for the rest of the season?
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We scored 7 goals had 9 points from the first 11 games playing dire turgid football. We generally played also rans as it turns out.
Since then we have scored more goals, have 16 points from the last 8 games and played some good stuff. We generally played against points wise better teams.
I want Villa Park to be a place of dread for every other team like Bolton or Blackburn in mid 00s or even now Brentford/Brighton - and we will play much better football and make much more noise
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I have to admit, I hate our OTT time wasting and it won’t be long before it bites us on the bum. Why on earth collect yellows like this. It’s senseless. It’s easy to spot exactly when the ref has lost his patience, just pass it or punt it then. We will no doubt become the first team to get a red for this, for sure. Refs will start to pick our players out for it.. I believe it’s very high on their agenda right now.
All teams who are ahead or trying to get a draw in games do it, but we seem to have taken it a step further and made it really obvious. Where I think it could end up costing us is that we are seeing a lot of added on time in our games and we haven't exactly got a great record when it comes to conceding late goals.
The Martinez booking was like he was putting a blindfold on for the firing squad. It was screamingly obvious the point at which the ref lost his patience. He could have wasted 5 seconds less by making a pass. From a world class shithouser, it was schoolboy stuff.
And you don't think he didn't know that any bookings received last night were wiped off for the rest of the season?
I've absolutely no problem with our time wasting.
We had it done to us for years and it's contributing to us seeing out and winning games.
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Marsch has got a nerve complaining about our "shithousery" or whatever you want to call it. If he bothered doing any research he'd see any decent team his current employers have had in the last 50 years have been based on the very same thing.
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I want Villa Park to be a place of dread for every other team like Bolton or Blackburn in mid 00s or even now Brentford/Brighton - and we will play much better football and make much more noise
Ewood and the Reebok in the mid-00s ? ???
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Marsch has got a nerve complaining about our "shithousery" or whatever you want to call it. If he bothered doing any research he'd see any decent team his current employers have had in the last 50 years have been based on the very same thing.
Marsch is a bit like Guardiola light, in the sense that unless the opposition play exactly how he wants them to play he complains about their tactics.
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Marsch is a grade A bell-end.
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Marsch is a grade A bell-end.
This.
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Ah come on, he's just Ammerigun.
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Is there a difference?
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Marsch is a grade A bell-end.
That he is.
He’s the most discourteous man I’ve seen in football. His handshakes are often perfunctory and disparaging. Immature.
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Yank Lampard
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Marsch has got a nerve complaining about our "shithousery" or whatever you want to call it. If he bothered doing any research he'd see any decent team his current employers have had in the last 50 years have been based on the very same thing.
He was attempting a Ferguson before the game too, whining that the likes of Jimmy Summerville or whatever & that little Italian dwarf on the left wing "weren't being protected enough." Whiny little bitch...
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Marsch has got a nerve complaining about our "shithousery" or whatever you want to call it. If he bothered doing any research he'd see any decent team his current employers have had in the last 50 years have been based on the very same thing.
He was attempting a Ferguson before the game too, whining that the likes of Jimmy Summerville or whatever & that little Italian dwarf on the left wing "weren't being protected enough." Whiny little bitch...
Italian dwarf?? :D
He looks a star in the making, and I'm very curious why he's plying his trade at that cesspool.
Marsch clearly loves himself. A bellpiece
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I have to admit, I hate our OTT time wasting and it won’t be long before it bites us on the bum. Why on earth collect yellows like this. It’s senseless. It’s easy to spot exactly when the ref has lost his patience, just pass it or punt it then. We will no doubt become the first team to get a red for this, for sure. Refs will start to pick our players out for it.. I believe it’s very high on their agenda right now.
All teams who are ahead or trying to get a draw in games do it, but we seem to have taken it a step further and made it really obvious. Where I think it could end up costing us is that we are seeing a lot of added on time in our games and we haven't exactly got a great record when it comes to conceding late goals.
The Martinez booking was like he was putting a blindfold on for the firing squad. It was screamingly obvious the point at which the ref lost his patience. He could have wasted 5 seconds less by making a pass. From a world class shithouser, it was schoolboy stuff.
And you don't think he didn't know that any bookings received last night were wiped off for the rest of the season?
Absolutely, but if he had to take another for the team (when it counts) then he’d have been knackered. There’s intelligent time wasting and there’s stupidity.
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It isn't really time-wasting as it all gets totted up and put to the added time after 90 minutes. We played nearly 97 minutes by the time the cockwomble referee blew up for full-time on Friday. Therefore, surely, it's taking the pace out of the game, slowing it all down, rather than time-wasting? Game management.
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Newcastle just had 5 mins of injury time. They shit-housed for 4 mins & 30 seconds of it & the ref did nothing about it other than add on a further 2 mins... Nobody on Sky had a whinge about what they called "gamesmanship".
Marsch has got a nerve complaining about our "shithousery" or whatever you want to call it. If he bothered doing any research he'd see any decent team his current employers have had in the last 50 years have been based on the very same thing.
He was attempting a Ferguson before the game too, whining that the likes of Jimmy Summerville or whatever & that little Italian dwarf on the left wing "weren't being protected enough." Whiny little bitch...
Italian dwarf?? :D
He looks a star in the making, and I'm very curious why he's plying his trade at that cesspool.
Marsch clearly loves himself. A bellpiece
I cant remember his name. The short left winger who was taking on Young all night. Neville had his cock in his hand all night over him... Quality little footballer mind.
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Wilfried Gnonto
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The Martinez yellow was just about ok (but I do think Oliver was waiting for the first hint of time wasting so he could book him). The Kamara one was a typically shit Oliver decision, everyone could see Leeds were trying to make subs (I'm fairly sure Kamara even gestured to the bench as he was getting booked) and the game was 'dead'. A few seconds after we restarted play the bal lwent dead and the subs were made.
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Wilfried Gnonto
Gnonto is no gnome.
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Wilfried Gnonto
Thats the chap... ;D
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Wilfried Gnonto
Thats the chap... ;D
Not entirely sure why people were raving about him on Friday night to be totally honest. Thought Ashley Young got the better of him until their goal, which was a questionable foul.
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Wilfried Gnonto
Thats the chap... ;D
Not entirely sure why people were raving about him on Friday night to be totally honest. Thought Ashley Young got the better of him until their goal, which was a questionable foul.
and every time I've seen him he's thrown himself to the floor very cheaply.
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Wilfried Gnonto
Thats the chap... ;D
Not entirely sure why people were raving about him on Friday night to be totally honest. Thought Ashley Young got the better of him until their goal, which was a questionable foul.
and every time I've seen him he's thrown himself to the floor very cheaply.
That can't take long.
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Not entirely sure why people were raving about him on Friday night to be totally honest. Thought Ashley Young got the better of him until their goal, which was a questionable foul.
I thought the lad clearly had talent. He might just be another Saint Maximin though, ie all tricks and turns but not much end product. For a 19 year old from the Swiss league, he looks a very good prospect.
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Newcastle just had 5 mins of injury time. They shit-housed for 4 mins & 30 seconds of it & the ref did nothing about it other than add on a further 2 mins... Nobody on Sky had a whinge about what they called "gamesmanship".
Marsch has got a nerve complaining about our "shithousery" or whatever you want to call it. If he bothered doing any research he'd see any decent team his current employers have had in the last 50 years have been based on the very same thing.
He was attempting a Ferguson before the game too, whining that the likes of Jimmy Summerville or whatever & that little Italian dwarf on the left wing "weren't being protected enough." Whiny little bitch...
Italian dwarf?? :D
He looks a star in the making, and I'm very curious why he's plying his trade at that cesspool.
Marsch clearly loves himself. A bellpiece
I cant remember his name. The short left winger who was taking on Young all night. Neville had his cock in his hand all night over him... Quality little footballer mind.
Nearly as good as Luke Ayling
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So after that we're 3 points behind Chelsea and Liverpool at the halfway stage. Who'd have thought it?
I loved beating them on Friday. What's better is all the Leeds fans I know that will be thinking about how smug I'll be without even needing to speak to them... Haha.
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Friday night was just the palate cleanser needed after last Sunday's debacle. Anyone else notice the floodlights flickering on and off in tribute to Jeff Beck before the game?
Villa still like to make us nervous though, from when Leeds scored to the end of added time. A happier outcome this time!
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So after that we're 3 points behind Chelsea and Liverpool at the halfway stage. Who'd have thought it?
Yes who would have thought those two will be so shit? I’d rather we were closer to progressive teams than failing teams.
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Not entirely sure why people were raving about him on Friday night to be totally honest. Thought Ashley Young got the better of him until their goal, which was a questionable foul.
I thought the lad clearly had talent. He might just be another Saint Maximin though, ie all tricks and turns but not much end product. For a 19 year old from the Swiss league, he looks a very good prospect.
He looked like he possibly might be a decent player but Gary Neville's fawning over him was embarrassing. Ashely young dealt with him perfectly up until around the 75 mark where he understandably started to flag a little and Ash's dive was a little disappointing for the goal.
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Wilfried Gnonto
Thats the chap... ;D
Not entirely sure why people were raving about him on Friday night to be totally honest. Thought Ashley Young got the better of him until their goal, which was a questionable foul.
and every time I've seen him he's thrown himself to the floor very cheaply.
That can't take long.
:)
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Didn't know anything about this until I read about it this morning.
https://twitter.com/EdConnaughton/status/1614903629399445505?t=lQT8M2826fk5x7mzHUZc1A&s=19
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Didn't know anything about this until I read out it this morning.
https://twitter.com/EdConnaughton/status/1614903629399445505?t=lQT8M2826fk5x7mzHUZc1A&s=19
A few people asked me about it on Saturday but I only knew that the Police had closed the road because of an "incident". Glad to hear that he is on the mend.
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Didn't know anything about this until I read about it this morning.
https://twitter.com/EdConnaughton/status/1614903629399445505?t=lQT8M2826fk5x7mzHUZc1A&s=19
He looked in quite a bad way but it seemed pretty calm so I just assumed he'd either fell or had a bad turn.
https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-01-14/reports-of-villa-park-incident-after-victory-against-leeds
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Didn't know anything about this until I read out it this morning.
https://twitter.com/EdConnaughton/status/1614903629399445505?t=lQT8M2826fk5x7mzHUZc1A&s=19
Leeds fans really are the scum of the earth. Not all I know but a significantly higher proportion of them compared to almost all other clubs. There's good cctv coverage by the away exits so hopefully the pathetic cretin who did this will be identified and properly dealt with. I really really hope that Leeds get relegated and keep on getting relegated and I'll bet the vast majority of non Leeds fans will be hoping for the same. They revel in the fact that everyone despises them which says a lot about their fanbase. The media wankfest over that repulsive club needs to be called out for what it is. It's nothing more than romanticising over those horrible bastards and lauding their "workrate" and "never say die" attitude. It sickens me to the core. On a lighter note I wish this bloke a speedy recovery and it's heartening to hear him sounding upbeat and ready for the Leicester game.
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It was Station Rd, where the fence seperating the away coaches park is, I'd guess the cone was thrown over the fence?
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Not entirely sure why people were raving about him on Friday night to be totally honest. Thought Ashley Young got the better of him until their goal, which was a questionable foul.
I thought the lad clearly had talent. He might just be another Saint Maximin though, ie all tricks and turns but not much end product. For a 19 year old from the Swiss league, he looks a very good prospect.
He looked like he possibly might be a decent player but Gary Neville's fawning over him was embarrassing. Ashely young dealt with him perfectly up until around the 75 mark where he understandably started to flag a little and Ash's dive was a little disappointing for the goal.
when you look at in slow motion, the Leeds player stood on Young's foot
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Driving into work was nice this morning!
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What was Neville on? He was sucking the bloke off all night. At one point he said in a very camp voice ‘Gnonto you little beauty.’ What the actual fcuk.
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What was Neville on? He was sucking the bloke off all night. At one point he said in a very camp voice ‘Gnonto you little beauty.’ What the actual fcuk.
I don't mind Neville in general, but my God he was getting on my tits with it on Friday. You'd have thought he was the second coming of Messi and was in the process of dismantling us with them 3 up, rather than just a promising performance from a young player.
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Sue Smith and Stephen Warnock, agreeing with Dermot Gallagher that Meslier’s yellow card was the correct punishment for his foul on Coutinho. Then saying he had to make the foul otherwise it would been an open goal. So denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity is now reduced to a booking?
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What was Neville on? He was sucking the bloke off all night. At one point he said in a very camp voice ‘Gnonto you little beauty.’ What the actual fcuk.
Think he decides on a narrative fairly early on. And then sticks to it come hell or highwater.
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What was Neville on? He was sucking the bloke off all night. At one point he said in a very camp voice ‘Gnonto you little beauty.’ What the actual fcuk.
Think he decides on a narrative fairly early on. And then sticks to it come hell or highwater.
Plus, he is a bit of a bellend...
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Villa fan on WM saying VAR is crap and would like the offside flag up straight away,so what's he saying no goal against Leeds then?
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What was Neville on? He was sucking the bloke off all night. At one point he said in a very camp voice ‘Gnonto you little beauty.’ What the actual fcuk.
Think he decides on a narrative fairly early on. And then sticks to it come hell or highwater.
Plus, he is a bit of a bellend...
Didn't he also say he'd be perfect for Man City?
He was just plain embarrassing.
He barely talked about anything else in the second half.
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Neville and the commentator were pissing themselves laughing at Watkin's injury. Not because he was injured but cos of some stupid in-joke between them. Just came across as crass and dumb.
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Anyone sat near the Leeds mob know if Tyrone got his usual friendly welcome from the northern racists?