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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2022, 06:34:57 PM
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The undroppable McGinn keeps his place. Returns for Mings, JJ, Buendia and Bailey. No place for Ings, Luiz or Coutinho
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Think Chambers and Luiz should have kept there place tbh
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Its Luiz for McGinn and maybe Ings for Watkins and Chambers for Konsa away from being perfect for me.
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The Arsenal team that will beat us tonight is Ramsdale, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Tierney, Sambi Lokonga, Xhaka, Saka, Odegaard, Martinelli, Gabriel Jesus.
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Think Chambers and Luiz should have kept there place tbh
I've just said that on our whatts app group.
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Think Chambers and Luiz should have kept there place tbh
Agree, might even have gone with Mings/Chambers.
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Chambers unlucky not to keep his place but it’s the correct front 3 for me.
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Not expecting much... So surprise us..
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I'd feel a lot more confident of going from 30% possession to 40% possession if Luiz started over McGinn. Look for more hesitation and hopeful, looping balls over the top from our Scottish jester.
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I wonder if the completely superfluous third kit will bring a change of luck or be a cursed and forever associated with defeat?
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I think the term rhymes with clucking bell.
No problem with the team selection as such, but just dreading the pain of these next 2 fixtures
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4132?
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I think this looks like a team with more energy than Sundays eleven. As for McGinn I'm not in the camp of writing him off but I really do think it would have been a good idea to take him out of the firing line for this one even if it means inventing a "tight hamstring" It it what it is though now and let's pray for a return to the arse out little bulldog that we all know and love.
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And fucking watch. JJ will be stuck on the left side of midfield with no room to operate. McGinn all left foot will be on the right. We will still employ poor crossing, overlapping FB’s who will constantly exposed on the break.
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Chambers should be starting. Better passer than Konsa and can step forward with the ball.
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Naka, Sanson and Fred all being lined-up for exits tomorrow, presumably. With us paying a third of their wages.
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It's the most sensible lineup he's picked this season.
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Chambers was one of our better performers on Sunday and deserves a place alongside Mings. The same can said of Luiz but he might be off tomorrow. Buendia for Coutinho is a potential improvement though.
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How did Konsa keep his place over Chambers?
Luis was far from perfect but we looked overrun in midfield when JJ came on for him.
Our back up left back must be properly shit .
But happy with the front three , I'd have gone into full on rant mode if he'd played his bessy mate again from the start.
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Our Steven is now hostage to his own bad decisions. Luiz should be in the team instead of his captain.
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Our Steven is now hostage to his own bad decisions. Luiz should be in the team instead of his captain.
Luiz has got to be fuming.
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Midfield and McGinn especially in his current form is way off the mark to be competitive in this game.
UTV of course, but...
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Would have liked Luiz over McGinn but happy with the rest of the team selected.
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Naka, Sanson and Fred all being lined-up for exits tomorrow, presumably. With us paying a third of their wages.
Can’t see that happening.
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I just don’t understand - McGinn and Konsa are bang out of form yet here we go again. Kamara looks so much better when he has Luiz alongside - yet he picks Ramsey who by nature what’s to surge forward leaving holes in CM.
Dumbfounded.
If I were Arteta looking at that, I know exactly what I’d tell my players to do, and that’s exactly what they will do.
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If you’re Luiz why would ever sign a new contract to stay with us? He is better than McGinn but can’t get a start. It’s utterly stupid
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So, Im in that strange prematch, second beer mode where Im thinking, you know we might just knick this
Well be all fired up after the critiscm this week, and with baily and emi2 we could be good on the break
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Should be Luiz and Chambers for McGinn and konza
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If you’re Luiz why would ever sign a new contract to stay with us? He is better than McGinn but can’t get a start. It’s utterly stupid
Yeah - but hell respect that his craic isnt up to the same level so no probs
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4132?
Could do your fruit in trying to think about it. I'm going to say it's 451, and then see where everybody ends up after 5 minutes.
Btw, I've just come up with a brilliant idea involving fullbacks. So brilliant that I've had to invent a new position to describe them. And I've only had two pints.
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Would have started Chambers instead of Konsa and Luiz instead of McGinn the Undroppable but what do I know?
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I reckon we're gonna surprise a lot of people tonight, and only lose 4-0.
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4132?
Could do your fruit in trying to think about it. I'm going to say it's 451, and then see where everybody ends up after 5 minutes.
Btw, I've just come up with a brilliant idea involving fullbacks. So brilliant that I've had to invent a new position to describe them. And I've only had two pints.
I think from recent analysis it will be the fabled 421111
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Naka, Sanson and Fred all being lined-up for exits tomorrow, presumably. With us paying a third of their wages.
Can’t see that happening.
How come?
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SG trotted this same lineup out vs Crystal Palace.. so let’s do it again.
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It's the most sensible lineup he's picked this season.
No it isn't though. McGinn has been consistently our worst player and that midfield 3 have been torn apart every time they've played together. Chambers has to play over Konsa
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Konsa was decent on Sunday, I thought.
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What has Nakamba done so wrong compared to last season?
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It's the most sensible lineup he's picked this season.
Same one as at Palace.
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Here comes the pain. The shape looks ok, but with McGinn and Ramsey they’ll just run through that midfield.
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Pity Chambers isn't starting: thought he was one of our better players on Sunday. Also, where's Archer?
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On the bench.
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Pity Chambers isn't starting: thought he was one of our better players on Sunday. Also, where's Archer?
Think they said he had a slight knock
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We're going to lose. They're going to do a reasonable amount of scoring. We are probably not going to do any scoring.
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He has, to his hip.
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Ramsey to score.
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Waiting for this game and the next is like being in the dentist's waiting room...
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Should be Luiz and Chambers for McGinn and konza
Absolutely agree with this.
Still, McGinn is untouchable.
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It's the most sensible lineup he's picked this season.
Same one as at Palace.
It's the most sensible lineup he's picked this season apart from when I wasn't paying attention.
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Mr Gerrard's long goodbye continues unabated. Would have packed the midfield tonight to frustrate rather than open the doors with a huge Welcome mat. Wont be pretty, I salute those there tonight.
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Pleased Leon starts, but would also have gone with Chambers for Konsa. Cash up against Martinelli concerns me, a lot of their play will go through Odegaard, in top form at the moment.
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Studio line up seems about right. Keown an Arsenal fan and Gabby who recently said on talk shite that he's always been an Arsenal fan.
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Changing things around for the sake of changing things around. I can't imagine that we will press, play with intensity and pace, or become more progressive.
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Should be Luiz and Chambers for McGinn and konza
Absolutely agree with this.
Still, McGinn is untouchable.
Yep weird hill to die on.
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Studio line up seems about right. Keown an Arsenal fan and Gabby who recently said on talk shite that he's always been an Arsenal fan.
The full line up of pundits is actually.
Gabby Agbonlahor Martin Keown and Eniola Aluko
on punditry tonight in studio on BT sport 4.
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There could be goals in that there forward line! 👍
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Studio line up seems about right. Keown an Arsenal fan and Gabby who recently said on talk shite that he's always been an Arsenal fan.
Interesting comments from them, and recognising Gerrard has been found out. Good to see the old pros going against the grain and not defending a manager or quoting the ‘time’ issue.
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I think we will play more of a 4411 with Bailey just behind Watkins.
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Should be Luiz and Chambers for McGinn and konza
Absolutely agree with this.
Still, McGinn is untouchable.
Yep weird hill to die on.
It is... But he's just made him captain.
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Studio line up seems about right. Keown an Arsenal fan and Gabby who recently said on talk shite that he's always been an Arsenal fan.
Also Eni Aluko, who was Director of Villa's women team for a while.
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Yes, Arsenal do look quite strong up front.
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Studio line up seems about right. Keown an Arsenal fan and Gabby who recently said on talk shite that he's always been an Arsenal fan.
Also Eni Aluko, who was Director of Villa's women team for a while.
And dreadful.
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The only hope I have, is that Arsenal think this is an easy one
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Changing things around for the sake of changing things around. I can't imagine that we will press, play with intensity and pace, or become more progressive.
I think they are the best at being able to press and am ok with this line up and predictable to use as away team
They'll be changes again probably Wednesday
SG once said horses for courses.
I think very good idea to play Bailey and Buendía that can get at the back four of Arsenal. Good to see Ramsey in
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Its Luiz for McGinn and maybe Ings for Watkins and Chambers for Konsa away from being perfect for me.
Agree on Luiz and Chambers, Watkins gives us more energy than Ings and is a better choice to press hard for an hour, then Ings can come on later.
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Not a lineup that will prevail, based on recent performances. I hope he doesn't insist Buendia plays wide. Bailey is important if we want anything from the game.
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The only hope I have, is that Arsenal think this is an easy one
That's my feeling too, they'll think they've won just by turning up. Maybe we can pull a randomly good performance out of nowhere.
Harsh on Chambers and Luiz, I'll be pissed off if Gerrard flogs him.
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Gabby being brutally honest.
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Should be Luiz and Chambers for McGinn and konza
It’s just so obvious.
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I like Dion Dublin but he's a bit of a media luvvie isn't he?
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Should be Luiz and Chambers for McGinn and konza
It’s just so obvious.
Apparently it's all for rotation to keep them fresh.
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I would have started Chambers, but Konsa played OK in the last match as well. Mings and Konsa have more experience playing as a partnership so I can see the sense in letting him find some form.
Think Luiz is on the way out, hence not playing, but would have played him ahead of McGinn. Also would not have started Ramsey.
Have a feeling we may get something from this one though.
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Our Steven is now hostage to his own bad decisions. Luiz should be in the team instead of his captain.
Exactly, the biggest being to make McGinn captain.
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3 games in 6 days it's fair to make changes and rotate.
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Studio line up seems about right. Keown an Arsenal fan and Gabby who recently said on talk shite that he's always been an Arsenal fan.
The full line up of pundits is actually.
Gabby Agbonlahor Martin Keown and Eniola Aluko
on punditry tonight in studio on BT sport 4.
Yes I know I'm watching it
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Pre match when asked about the boos he said they were directed at him not the players
Honourable or arrogant?
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I'd drop Luiz because against spam he spent too much time dropping in to what is Kamara's position.
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Honest.
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It's the most sensible lineup he's picked this season.
Really? Luiz and Chambers were two of our best performers on Sunday.
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Pre match when asked about the boos he said they were directed at him not the players
Honourable or arrogant?
- "It's on me."
- "I'm all in."
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Can not see how that is a good line up 2/3rds of the midfield desperately out of form.
You cant win games without midfield.
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Gabby Agbonlahor says a 1-1 draw.
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Honest I’d say and good on him. No for fucks sake make us a team and get us up that damn league Steven.
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Can only see this going one way, unfortunately.
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Pre match when asked about the boos he said they were directed at him not the players
Honourable or arrogant?
I'd say taking flack for the team. So honest.
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Gabby Agbonlahor says a 1-1 draw.
Shit, that's what I said. Need to change now.
1-2 to Villa.
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Odegaard needs taking out early
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That angel song they sing North London forever song is ultimate cringe
Deserves to lose just for that
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Honest I’d say and good on him. No for fucks sake make us a team and get us up that damn league Steven.
Same.
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Odegaard needs taking out early
Jesus to get sent off
Mings will sort him out.
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Watkins 3 goals in 4 against these lot come on Ollie!
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Good wishes everyone enjoy the game we hope!
Let's do this ! Bailey and Buendía show
Up the Villa!
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You think we could design a better kit
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Decent
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Good move there
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We're got this
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That's a red card.
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That's a yellow
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We didn't even get a free kick...
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How is that not a yellow, at the least?
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Come on boys
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We've started off okay.
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Risky, that.
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Decent start it has to be said
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Saka twat
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The ref has outstanding hair.
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Better balanced team.
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Any chance of a booking for Saka? And any idea why VAR didn't look at the elbow?
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Mcginn pissed off with the elbow
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Saka little weeping boy
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Good start, lots of energy and we look up for it.
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SJM needs to calm down
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Good save Emi
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More exciting already than the whole of the West Ham game.
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Saka little weeping boy
Mentioned earlier, he dives all over the place. No shame.
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Ben White is a funny looking bloke, isn't he?
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Fuck me that was close.
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"Just a glimpse of what Saka can do".
Throw himself to ground and sulk for not getting a penalty?
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Great block Konsa. Fuck me they had some run of the ball, there.
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Arsenal looking extra soft today.
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That was a dodgy couple of mins
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JJ booked
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Good tackle
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I think we need to calm down here
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There’s going to be a red here.
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That was a dodgy couple of mins
Not sure how many minutes you are ahead as it's still dodgy here
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That was a dodgy couple of mins
Not sure how many minutes you are ahead as it's still dodgy here
How far into the game are you?
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Hmmm
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Trying to work out who is commentating on my erm.... Tv
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That was a dodgy couple of mins
Not sure how many minutes you are ahead as it's still dodgy here
He's watching in his TARDIS again.
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We’re going to end up with 10 or even 9 players with the stupid tackles we’re making. Got to be a lot cuter.
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Yikes.
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That was a dodgy couple of mins
Not sure how many minutes you are ahead as it's still dodgy here
Just coming up to added time at the end of the first half.
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Fucks sake villa
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How the fuck haven't we conceded
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Bloody hell, can't believe Arsenal didn't score then.
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They're trying to blow us away. Fuck off Tarquins
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how was that a yellow for JJ when the elbow wasn't even a free kick?
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Buendia twice as lost ball in good positions
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These commentators, fucking Hell.
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We’re not going to get anything from the officials today. Not a thing.
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Buendia has to be better in possession.
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how was that a yellow for JJ when the elbow wasn't even a free kick?
Because Arsenal and their fans whinge at Olympic gold level.
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Sue Smith reckons they're all over us
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Playground stuff here, scrambles galore! Can't beat a good goalmouth scramble
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Unable to watch this one but we sound great!
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They look a division above us.
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The midfield has to do more.
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The midfield has to do more.
We don’t have a midfield
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Baileys doing ok
Ramsay took too long
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The midfield has to do more.
We’ve been saying that all season
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We are having to work really hard. Could have done without them having a day's advantage.
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Have to whip a cross in, instead we lose possession and great from Kamara
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The midfield has to do more.
We’ve been saying that all season
Decade.
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Midfield is non existent. Ramsey is almost playing right midfield.
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No point crossing, we don't have anyone to aim for. Should have got Haaland when he was available.
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Midfield is non existent. Ramsey is almost playing right midfield.
This is one of our main problems.
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Do they know they're allowed to cross and shoot at goal?
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The midfield has to do more.
We’ve been saying that all season decade.
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This is cringingly bad. We look a third division team
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Wow, what a start.
Mings showing his aerial strength; Bailey started well; Ramsey is a weak link; Buendia doing well.
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Not sure we can keep this pace up were not used to running around.
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To be fair we're doing ok. There's clearly no lack of motivation. We need to be better in possession though.
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What a miss.
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Saka misses a great chance
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Saka is a saka ...
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Daka sitter
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Midfield is non existent. Ramsey is almost playing right midfield.
This is one of our main problems.
It's been the main problem since late March, means we never have anyone in the box even if we get the ball to the fullbacks in good areas.
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I take it back, that was shit.
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I mean saka
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This is cringingly bad. We look a third division team
To be fair they’re about as confident as they possibly could be and we’re about as low as we could be.
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Buendia sort it out ffs
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Someone needs to get 'injured' and get the physio on for 5 mins to slow it the fuck down.
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We are going yo lose this 3-0
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Just need to half-time, can't be long.
Wait... 24 minutes? Fuuuuuuuuuck.
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Now if they were Villa this would be a sign they are going to blow it, but sadly they’re not.
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McGinn just keeps giving the ball away.
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Buendia is getting bullied
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Buendia too lightweight
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McGinn just keeps giving the ball away.
That’s his usp….
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We are working hard but the gulf in class is enormous.
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I’d get Watkins on now!!
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We are going yo lose this 3-0
Are you sure we'll score nil? I'm not that confident.
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Wow, what a start.
Mings showing his aerial strength; Bailey started well; Ramsey is a weak link; Buendia doing well.
Buendia keeps giving the ball away. Our goal is leading a bit of a charmed life but Ramsey was blatantly fouled in build up there.
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The ball is like a hot potato whenever it comes near us.
They're going to get the first and it'll be followed by several more. The key is not conceding that first.
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Chris sutton is a tit: he suggests that Ramsey could have had a red but makes no comment on the elbow in McGinn's face.
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How shit is Watkins?
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We are working hard but the gulf in class is enormous.
There is a gulf in quality clearly but I think it’s massively accentuated by the confidence of the respective teams.
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We so desperately need a striker capable of making the ball stick. Fuck knows why he thinks our never-scoring forward line is good enough.
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We're working hard, getting in some half decent positions but we constantly lose possession so fucking cheaply.
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A shot!!!
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Shot on target.
What's that stench? It's Arsenal fear.
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To score you actually need to have a shot at goal. Think our players need reminding
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Good move but put your foot through it emi
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Buendia what a rubbish shot
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Shot on target!
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To score you actually need to have a shot at goal. Think our players need reminding
Woah there! We've had a shot. Some people are never satisfied.
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Can't fault the energy levels
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How shit is Watkins?
Just seen his puppy/ balloon act on 23 minutes.
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The 3-0 win here two years ago is a million miles away from tonight. Its like watching a Premier League team against a League 1 team. Abysmal.
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How shit is Watkins?
Not watching, but going with "muchly".
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McGinn just keeps giving the ball away.
No he doesn't, he's played a couple of superb balls so far.
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No drinks break tonight?
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Arsenal 1 up.
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Bollocks. Not great by Martinez.
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Crap.
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No drinks break tonight?
Good job as we're already playing like we're drunk.
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It’s all over
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Not sure why Watkins is getting shit, McGinn and Buendia are the problem, both giving the ball away far too cheaply when we get into their half.
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Martinez mistake
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I think we can stop
worrying dreaming of a big bid from Arsenal for Watkins.
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Deserved. Gutless
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Buying a centre-forward has revitalised Arsenal. Hint fucking hint Villa.
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Martinez mistake
Nah
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That was an impressively shit goal to concede. It's been coming though.
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Just make it easy for them Martinez
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bollocks - but they have so much space out wide
Shame - as thought it was building into an interesting match and thought we were onto a lucky streak
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I think Martinez was a bit unlucky to be fair.
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Crap Martinez
But you have to get the ball in the box , villa piss around to much
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McGinn just keeps giving the ball away.
No he doesn't, he's played a couple of superb balls so far.
You must have looked away a few times. The best chance of the game that Saka had was McGinn giving the ball away.
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Fucking hell, Emi!
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We have no midfield
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Jesus to score anytime... TICK!
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End of game.
Pathetic.
Lots of running around and literally zero fucking quality.
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Martinez mistake
Nah
Oh yes.
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Deserved. Gutless
What? They've battled like fuck up to now
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Can we have a different match thread for the streamers. It’s worrying when you are posting a goal conceded about 2/3 minute after it’s happened
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That was shocking from Emi, it was deflected but he's just gently flapped it straight to Jesus. Well that was a decent laugh for 30 minutes.
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Bollocks.
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End of game.
Pathetic.
Lots of running around and literally zero fucking quality.
As stated many many many times that's a recruitment issue. It isn't through lack of effort
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Fucking 34% possession. What a joke.
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This team reeks of you know what. There's just too many warning signs flashing brightly.
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We can only dream of playing with the intensity and fluidity of this Arsenal team.
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Gerrard should have reacted to this nonsense by now.
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Mings just summed it up: ball at feet and no movement ahead of him - waved his arms in frustration
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It's all part of Steven's very very cunning plan. He's lulling them into thinking we're actually quite shit at attacking, shit in midfield, at shit at defending. I reckon it's working.
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I think its clearly unfair that other teams are allowed more players then us
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Jesus to score anytime... TICK!
Is there also an over/under market for number of Villa attacking throwins that end up with Martinez?
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We huffed and puffed for a bit but it's basically like a non-league side away at a top flight team, except that they're playing their first XI.
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Battled well up to 30 mins but totally and utterly outclassed
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How shit is Watkins?
Dreadful, just going through the motions. Wouldn't be surprised if Gerrard hooked him at half time. Ramsey really struggling to track runs behind him, Konsa went ballistic with him for the goal.
Martinez shit for the goal. Hiding on his line all season too for any rough stuff.
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There is some astonishingly poor passing here.
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The midfield we have aren’t top half players. They’ve proven it for a few seasons now apart from a few months under Smith, Kamara apart.
They won’t suddenly turn into world beaters under a new manager, only quality additions will do that. As someone said earlier, it’s a recruitment issue.
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Game by game we seem to be regressing. Confidence very low.
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This has been worse than anticipated. So predictable
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Arsenal fans singing, "You're getting sacked in the morning!"
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Sutton keeps saying that our narrow 4-3-3 is being murdered but arse are playing the same system.
It's more about confidence and better players.
Ramsey needs to come off.
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McGinn, just not good enough.
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How the fuck isn't it 2-0.
I don't what's shitter, Villa under SG or the H&V servers when more than 2 people are online.
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Promising.
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Deserved. Gutless
What? They've battled like fuck up to now
But we're not the brave minnows in the FA Cup, we're in the same league and we're been shown up.
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Sutton is a dick.
We're 19th as things stand. Leicester the only side below us.
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Arse are playing a different game to us
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Arsenal fans singing, "You're getting sacked in the morning!"
Why don't our fans join in?
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Good save Martinez. They're playing a different sport to us.
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Every ball played/huffed out of defence there is an Arsenal player first
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Sutton keeps saying that our narrow 4-3-3 is being murdered but arse are playing the same system.
It's more about confidence and better players.
Ramsey needs to come off.
Shouldn’t we set up differently to counteract them?
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Sutton is a dick.
We're 19th as things stand. Leicester the only side below us.
So your saying were not the worst
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It's just absolutely indescribably piss poor.
We look totally uncoached. It's embarrassing.
I can accept they are a good side, but we look totally unorganised.
Get rid of this fucking chancer ASAP, he's not going to change anything.
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Every ball played/huffed out of defence there is an Arsenal player first
Second balls never go to Villa players. Never have, never will.
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Absolutely over the moon with 1-0 at HT. It genuinely should at least 4.
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At least it’s only 1-0. But blimey.
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Haaland scores as many in one half as we have in four and a half games.
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How the fuck are Arsenal not at least 3 up? I can’t believe we are still in this. As someone pointed out, we are like a non-league side trying desperately to cling on.
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Sitting pretty in 19th at the moment.
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We suck.
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Watkins and Buendia off. No skill and no pace!
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Haaland against this side on Saturday should be pretty funny.
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This is amazing truthful game. Before the game we were shit and they have been brilliant and that’s exactly how this game has gone on. No surprises no shocks. It’s fucking demoralising.
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Well you can't fault the effort. Other than one good move we've been dominated all over the park.
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I’m with you Dice, how are we only losing 1-0?? I really do fear for us against Citeh unless they put their reserve team out against us.
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"I haven't had a full pre season"...Yep you have
"I haven't and chance for transfers"...yep you have
"I inherited a captain"...not now
"eeeeerm, any excuses left?"....Nope
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Now even Buendia has gone to shit.
Is it wrong that I don't mind us losing if Gerrard gets sacked right after ?
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Think the players have given up on him - they always win in the end. It’s over.
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Sitting pretty in 19th at the moment.
So there's still a hope of Europe?
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Sitting pretty in 19th at the moment.
Moved back up a place with the Spurs goal at least.
Genuinely wonder what it would take to sack Gerrard from owners at this point as we could easily be bottom by end of weekend.
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Thought we started ok. Don't see an absence of effort, bar Watkins, but complete lack of quality. I'd switch it up to 4231, maybe bring Iroegbunam and Archer on for Watkins and Ramsey. In that 433 we simply can't get turned on the ball in midfield.
Konsa has been very good, Mings and Kamara solid. McGinn trying very hard.
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Think the players have given up on him - they always win in the end. It’s over.
I agree with this.
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This is amazing truthful game. Before the game we were shit and they have been brilliant and that’s exactly how this game has gone on. No surprises no shocks. It’s fucking demoralising.
I know. Its almost like they have £200 million pumped in to them. We've sold our best player and practucly broke even since we had a decent result against them.
As long as we don't get hammered he shouldn't be judged against these now. The time for that was when we were close to them
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There was a moment midway through that first half when Gerrard turns round to Critchley, moaning about the play. It looks to be clearly to say 'they're not doing what we're telling them' gesture. Getting his excuses in early.
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Arsenal fans singing, "You're getting sacked in the morning!"
Why don't our fans join in?
devoid of hope?
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10 games without a clean sheets. We're prancing about now, trying to get a couple cheap loans over the line and we aren't even looking at the area that's been a problem for I don't know 4 years
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I'm nowhere near the action, yet I feel like I've been kicked around my back yard, rolling into a ball and defending constant blows for 45 long, agonising minutes.
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Are we this bad or they faking it?
It isnt possible to throw this much money at a squad and keep getting worse and worse.
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Three goals in last 20 minutes as Villa run out of “steam?” and fold
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The half time summary by Keown was bang on. Konsa, Mings and Emi all at sea for the goal.Keown making some great points about how our set up is totally playing into Arsenal's hands. Will Gerrard do something about it at half time? I fucking very much doubt it.
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How did Luiz not play instead of Ramsay .
Buendia been useless and Watkins is Watkins
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Reminiscent of Tim but dim formation in the FA cup final.
Same surrender of midfield same result same managerial ability.
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Well I hope everyone can see why Gerrard wants a Mings out, he was just Sunday League that half
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It’s like a performance from our relegation season… but we actually have quite a number of very good players.
Fuck off Gerrard.
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This is amazing truthful game. Before the game we were shit and they have been brilliant and that’s exactly how this game has gone on. No surprises no shocks. It’s fucking demoralising.
I know. Its almost like they have £200 million pumped in to them. We've sold our best player and practucly broke even since we had a decent result against them.
As long as we don't get hammered he shouldn't be judged against these now. The time for that was when we were close to them
We should absolutely be judged against them. They are in the same division as us aren’t they and the manager was happy to compare situations in his presser and before today's game.
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McGinn is the highest rated Villa player on the BBC site
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Arsenal fans singing, "You're getting sacked in the morning!"
Why don't our fans join in?
devoid of hope?
Because he won’t be.
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He needs to go, final whistle please fuck him off
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Thought we started ok. Don't see an absence of effort, bar Watkins, but complete lack of quality. I'd switch it up to 4231, maybe bring Iroegbunam and Archer on for Watkins and Ramsey. In that 433 we simply can't get turned on the ball in midfield.
Konsa has been very good, Mings and Kamara solid. McGinn trying very hard.
Your formation change makes sense.
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Archer for Watkins
Phil for buendia
Luis for Ramsay
Half time for me
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had to turn off, couldn't watch it so painful, getting older I don't get worked up so much, but it still causes me so much pain
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I actually think the players are working hard and trying,
The thing is, we're that bit slower than Arsenal. Not just pace, but that touch slower reacting, that touch slower anticipating, releasing a pass, making a run, everywhere. And while they have good player in form, that slowness is coaching. Nothing seems instinctive with us.
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This is amazing truthful game. Before the game we were shit and they have been brilliant and that’s exactly how this game has gone on. No surprises no shocks. It’s fucking demoralising.
I know. Its almost like they have £200 million pumped in to them. We've sold our best player and practucly broke even since we had a decent result against them.
As long as we don't get hammered he shouldn't be judged against these now. The time for that was when we were close to them
We should absolutely be judged against them. They are in the same division as us aren’t they and the manager was happy to compare situations in his presser and before today's game.
In my opinion the league has 3 leagues within it now. We are mid way up the bottom one, they are mid way up the top one.
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How did Luiz not play instead of Ramsay .
Buendia been useless and Watkins is Watkins
Buendia has looked liked the proverbial Under10 player up against the much bigger boys in the Under12's.
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The half time summary by Keown was bang on. Konsa, Mings and Emi all at sea for the goal.Keown making some great points about how our set up is totally playing into Arsenal's hands. Will Gerrard do something about it at half time? I fucking very much doubt it.
I doubt he’s noticed. He doesn’t seem to know what he’s looking at.
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Ings for Watkins
Coutinho for Buendia
Luiz for Ramsey
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Time to bring on coutinho and Luiz …… but leave that 11 on too !
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Three goals in last 20 minutes as Villa run out of “steam?” and fold
Worth a tenner.
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How did Luiz not play instead of Ramsay .
Buendia been useless and Watkins is Watkins
The thing about Buendia is he can play the part in a proper midfield.. we don't have one. He looks left and McGinn is behind him, he looks right and Cash is pinned back and Bailey is isolated, he looks forward and Ollie is doing god knows what off the ball.
There is nothing offered to him.
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I's painful to watch, our structure is wrong, we are far to narrow and we are giving them all the space they need.
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We are less fit than they are, totally unorganised and, as a team, inept.
I don't even know what our plan is supposed to be?
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Looking at it again, I think they should have had a penalty.
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Well I hope everyone can see why Gerrard wants a Mings out, he was just Sunday League that half
That's not even close to being the real problem though.
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Reminiscent of Tim but dim formation in the FA cup final.
Same surrender of midfield same result same managerial ability.
Problem is this is the central midfield he wants to start every week.
No changes at half time despite Ramsey being on a yellow.
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Are we this bad or they faking it?
It isnt possible to throw this much money at a squad and keep getting worse and worse.
Just said the same on a Villa WhatsApp group.
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Is it just me or is the server stability shocking this evening?
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Odegaard has completely ran this game so far.
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Could be 5. This is the masterplan though. Second half, Douglas comes on and Archer, and we turn it around and then hit a winner because Arsenal will be having an open top bus parade at half time thinking they've won the fucking league now.
Or...they'll just batter us and pull an Arsenal against someone else (probably). We're too Villa at the moment to allow them to be Arsenal.
So... they're quicker, bigger, stronger, better footballers.
We play, as we have for probably 90% of the past 11-12 years, hand grenade football. Our players get the ball and then look like they've just been rolled an unpinned grenade. They fluster, kick it out as hurriedly as possible in any hopeful direction, but almost exclusively to the opposition. Repeat for 90 minutes, with the exception of 5 counters which seem to come off. We've had about 2 of those already, maybe 3.
Everyone bar Bailey has looked hopelessly lacking in composure on the ball. Body language is dreadful. Organisation is non-existent. We're leaving enormous gaps at the back. The mid-three don't know who to mark or pick up. Mings and Konsa look like Emile Heskey doing Dancing on Ice in lop-sided ice skates. I think their plan is to just dive to the floor wherever possible and hope they block something.
I feel for Martinez because he's getting no protection and he can see that his defence hasn't got a clue. He's pulled off a worldie save to keep the score down, but he's starting to get bombarded and his six yard area has been chaotic.
Other than that we're fine.
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What the fuck buendia
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Buendia having possibly his worst ever game. He will be dropped, and I'll still never see Philendia together.
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We do look like a team where the manager has lost it. No plan, individual players fight as much as they can on their own ish until they give up ish. Gerrard is out of his depth, the man that hired him should also go. Kamara and Konsa only ones that still can show some indv quality in this atmosphere IMO.
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We are less fit than they are, totally unorganised and, as a team, inept.
I don't even know what our plan is supposed to be?
Not sure the players know either.
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Is it just me or is the server stability shocking this evening?
It's worse than our midfield
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Is it just me or is the server stability shocking this evening?
It's shite. Even the server is worse under Gerrard.
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Xhaka is the player we want next to Kamara.
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Can't do fucking simple things
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Shit from Bailey there.
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I see we’ve brought Watkins on then. They slaughtered us down our right hand side in the first half. We still look piss poor this half.
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Is it just me or is the server stability shocking this evening?
Absolutely brutal
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Anybody got a nice babbling brook please? Mine keeps drying up.
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That "pass" from Bailey should see him dropped.Criminal.
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Newcastle new srtiker scores
We are just getting left behind
Love a striker ,no 8 and CB
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I'm convinced we look so bad because it's just piss poor coaching they are receiving.
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I see we’ve brought Watkins on then. They slaughtered us down our right hand side in the first half. We still look piss poor this half.
Watkins started.
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Anybody got a nice babbling brook please? Mine keeps drying up.
Masochist!
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I see we’ve brought Watkins on then. They slaughtered us down our right hand side in the first half. We still look piss poor this half.
Watkins started.
Sarcasm.
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I'm enjoying this game. How did the White Hart pub XI manage to get this fixture against Arsenal anyway?
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I see we’ve brought Watkins on then. They slaughtered us down our right hand side in the first half. We still look piss poor this half.
Watkins started.
That was the joke, I think.
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And shock horror Newcastle’s record signing Isak puts them 1-0 up at Anfield
We have been so left behind it’s not funny
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I see we’ve brought Watkins on then. They slaughtered us down our right hand side in the first half. We still look piss poor this half.
Watkins started.
Sarcasm.
Ah.
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Can't do fucking simple things
It's because we do not have a system to the way we play. The attacking players have to ad hoc decide how to create chances, where to run, so the extra load of this decision process leads to technical errors or means we play just that tick too slow. We need patterns to be drilled into players so it becomes instinctive.
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Newcastle new srtiker scores
We are just getting left behind
Love a striker ,no 8 and CB
We are lightweight all over the team. We've committed a bunch of fouls tonight, but we easily get pushed off the ball and out-muscled in 50-50 challenges.
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Anybody got a nice babbling brook please? Mine keeps drying up.
Masochist!
Pity the fool
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Fucking Hell Martinez 😂
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And shock horror Newcastle’s record signing Isak puts them 1-0 up at Anfield
We have been so left behind it’s not funny
Embarrassingly left behind, it's just pathetic, same old fucking story.
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Deserved equaliser coming up.
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The money we have spunked away on such sub-standard shite is criminal.
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Watkins did ok there, just hadn't the extra ability to create an opportunity.
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Deserved equaliser coming up.
In the liverpool newcastle game, right?
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Why do I bother!! What a bag of shit we are
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We need to calm down.
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Our only hope is that we cling on to the death, they start to get nervous and drop deeper, and we snatch one of the most undeserved equalisers of all time.
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The most used term over the last few seasons is “we were outmuscled in midfield.” I just don’t understand why this hasn’t been addressed. Yes, we’ve brought Kamara in but he can’t do it on his own. Teams are still cutting through us like knife through butter.
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Anyone seen McGinn?
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It's still the same. We get to the final third and don't know what to do with it.
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Luiz and Phil for Ramsey & Emi?
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Anyone seen McGinn?
Rated as top player for us on the BBC
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Critchley and Mcallister sat on their arses all the time….. never bark orders or encourage.
Really frustrates me
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10 corners to 0 😂
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Is this ref going to gives us anything at all?
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Anyone seen McGinn?
Rated as top player for us on the BBC
Blind Boys Club?
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Get Archer on and give him some time. Should try something different.
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Luiz and Phil for Ramsey & Emi?
I don't think it matters.
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How long would it take for us to turn Haarland into a player who couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo?
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Gerrard talking to Gary Mac with his hand over his mouth as if anyone would give a flying fuck what the useless ****** is saying.
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On an individual level, I can't say anyone is particularly bad today, but as a collective it isn't working.
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Deserved equaliser coming up.
In the liverpool newcastle game, right?
Ignore him. He’s been drinking.
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I'm giving up trying to post during the match ad the point I'm making is usually long gone by the time it goes through. ;D for the record I'm absolutely fucking pissed off with Aston Villa right now.
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Konsa is making a lot of mistakes.
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Any chance of some subs?
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make a damn change already.
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We need to calm down.
As a fan base?
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Gerrard talking to Gary Mac with his hand over his mouth as if anyone would give a flying fuck what the useless ****** is saying.
Made me laugh and cry ffs
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Gerrard talking to Gary Mac with his hand over his mouth as if anyone would give a flying fuck what the useless ****** is saying.
Haha I saw that. Believe me Steve whatever you are saying is complete and utter worthless bollocks. No need to cover up your tactical mastery.
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Another game where we could play all night and not score. These games are stacking up.
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I don’t think Mcginn has been that bad actually.
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Gerrard talking to Gary Mac with his hand over his mouth as if anyone would give a flying fuck what the useless ****** is saying.
Made me laugh and cry ffs
I loved it!
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Fuck me, when we get it, we're fucking CLUELESS about how to make it do something up front, it is so so fucking predictable.
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Same old result. Utter shite
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At least we’re not 0-5 down like Forest. Oh wait though, we play Citeh next!!
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It’s like we only practice bringing the ball up to the half way line. The other side is lava
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Managed to get a screen grab of Critchley's notepad.
(https://i.ibb.co/7Gf33cH/Drawing.jpg)
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Make some changes FFS it's not working....
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Get into them
Fuck them up
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outmuscled by Arsenal who would have thought
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Someone said earlier if we trained on a narrow boat.
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He didn't cover his mouth then, and I actually learnt lip reading last year
GM "what should we do boss?"
SG "What are you asking me for, how do I know?"
GM "well you're the manager"
SG "we need to score more than them"
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At least we’re not 0-5 down like Forest. Oh wait though, we play Citeh next!!
19 fucking players they’ve signed. Or something like that. But yes, we will take a massive tonking too in Steven Gerard’s final game
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This is utter, utter bilge. No redeeming qualities. Fucking shit.
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FMOB, ANY change at this stage couldn't make this worse, surely?
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Good to see us make full use of this five sub rule
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2 Brazil Internationals coming on
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18 shots to our 2.
When Cash is shooting/Crossing/whatever the fuck that was, there's only Watkins in the box vs 7 Arsenal players.
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Cornalaty
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Buendia has been crap.
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Absolute horse shit from Cash. Fucking hell, you're one of the BETTER players.
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We just create so little. There are absolutely no discernible patterns of play that we use to even try and break teams down.
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Douglas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Goooaaalllll
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He's done it again!
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Goal
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Fuck all wrong with that but it'll be disallowed I'm sure.
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Goalllllllll
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Holy shit, I don't believe it. Awesome!
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Deserved as well.
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Fuck me. McGinn off and we score.
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2-1 down
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Shite.
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Get the fuck in.
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😔
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2-1 down already
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2 mins later......
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Agent Martinez.
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Do they not fucking learn?
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And I’m late - how many fucking times do we concede straight after scoring.
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business as usual. this is our aston villa.
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Jesus wept.
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Thanks Emi…again
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Let’s all have a disc……oh.
Classic Villa. Well done everyone.
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Predictable as fuck. Told missus we would concede. Fock off Steve
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1 minute 11 seconds between goals. When can we be good at football again?
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Can we ever not let the opponents score within 2 minutes of us scoring. Cash left Martinelli on his own.
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Bollocks.
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Spineless fucks.
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Not that it really matters but Martinez was fault for both goals.
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Jesus wept.
That's because he wanted to score it.
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Third time we do that this season. Already. What the fuck.
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We have developed a terrible habit of leaving players unmarked. The coaching appears to have completely collapsed
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If the main tactic is "Shuggie and his Freaky Corners", Gerrard could at least wheel him out before the 70th minute.
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Give Archer a chance you boring bastard.
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head in hands emoji
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Yeah, as soon as we score we let one in. What a fantastic habit to have.
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Danny Ings. We're saved.
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Can't really blame Gerrard for our goslie
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I thought players were to take the shortest, quickest route off the pitch for subs? Twats
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Martinez should do better but from that range you are hoping it hits you and stays out. How the fuck we are leaving people unchallenged to both cross and finish in our 6 yard box is beyond me.
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Kamara off rather than Ramsey? Hmmm
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Can't really blame Gerrard for our goslie
You can blame him for setting us up in a way that's let them have 20 shots.
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Flicked over to see if a character from Shetland was still alive after last week's episode, even though I'm recording it, so missed our goal. No cliff hanger as it was revealed very quickly.
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Cash been bloody dreadful
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Ings will save the day. Just as Putin will win the Nobel Peace Prize.
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That little 4 foot 6 fucker Jesus has bullied our lot all evening.
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Cash been bloody dreadful
He has been shit this season, great that we sent KKH on loan
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Fuck me, the long throw is back!
That's where it all went wrong this time last year.
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Kamara off rather than Ramsey? Hmmm
Ramsey is far more likely to assist/score, surely.
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Fucking hell. This is just so demoralising.
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Fucking hell. This is just so demoralising.
And it's not quite September!
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Scoreline flatters us again
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Saturday will be fun won't it?
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Their second is all down to Cash again and again jumping around like ten meters away from "his man" his got this habit for a long time now IMO- but doesnt matter much as the team as such isnt good enough right now IMO :( Cash also hinder our offensive IMO as we more often than not loose the ball when he finally try to do something. As comes trough in my opinions I have kind of given up on this for now - sorry but cant help it.
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This is as bad as the relegation year.
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Genuinely, embarrassing performance, and the scoreline is almost as embarrassing, it flatters us so much
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This feels so 15-16 all over again yet the squad is far superior to what we had then.
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Their second is all down to Cash again and again jumping around like ten meters away from "his man" his got this habit for a long time now IMO- but doesnt matter much as the team as such isnt good enough right now IMO
Agreed. No idea how anyone can blame the keeper.
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This is as bad as the relegation year.
With far better players.
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This is as bad as the relegation year.
With far better players.
Which is far worse.
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We tried , the quality is there I'm sure ,it's just the balance
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We're in the bottom 3 now! :'(
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Piss off Ings you donkey
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Is it over yet?
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What do they do at Bodymoor all week? They play like they have never met each other before. Appalling.
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Cash been bloody dreadful
He has been shit this season, great that we sent KKH on loan
A bit like what happened with Targett last season.
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Dreadful all round, really.
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We're in the bottom 3 now! :'(
That's better than I thought.
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What do they do at Bodymoor all week? They play like they have never met each other before. Appalling.
Not eating ketchup
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If Leicester beat Man Utd tomorrow we'll be bottom.
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Their second is all down to Cash again and again jumping around like ten meters away from "his man" his got this habit for a long time now IMO- but doesnt matter much as the team as such isnt good enough right now IMO
Agreed. No idea how anyone can blame the keeper.
Erm how about the idea that he fumbled the first one and flapped at the 2nd?
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I'm fascinated to hear how Gerrard excuses this one.
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Our worst PL start since 1997 apparently. I would have thought 15-16 would have been up there but obviously not.
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Their second is all down to Cash again and again jumping around like ten meters away from "his man" his got this habit for a long time now IMO- but doesnt matter much as the team as such isnt good enough right now IMO
Agreed. No idea how anyone can blame the keeper.
Erm how about the idea that he fumbled the first one and flapped at the 2nd?
He had a ball pinged off his shin for the first, and the second he had to get back over to his far post and try and stop a full volley.
give me a break.
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We tried , the quality is there I'm sure ,it's just the balance
No, it isn't.
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They tried but way short I’m afraid. I hate saying a manager should go and I’m sure Gerrard is giving his all but it’s not good enough. We either keep him and pull out 2/3 wonder signings or he goes. We haven’t got time to give him time due to the start we’ve had so unless there’s some amazing news tomorrow then this should be it for him.
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It didn't ping of his shin, he patted it out with both hands.
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All too predictable.
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Gerrard is undoubtedly making some major mistakes here and the recruiting looks well short but some of these players need calling out too. Watkins, Cash, Digne, Ramsey, McGinn all well short but above all Martinez. Fuck me.
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We were shown up for what we are, disjointed, clueless going forward and chasing shadows all game. The owners have to act, the look on Gerards face after they scored their second said it all. Mings tried hard all game but yet again the midfield was totally dominated. Where do we go from here?
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I have sympathy with the away fans. Imagine watching that tonight - utter shite, you score, you can't celebrate it because you think VARS gonna chalk it off and then literally three minutes later we are behind again. And now its a long journey home. My hat goes off to them.