Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: clash city rocker on January 02, 2022, 10:50:35 PM
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I think after games like today we need a thread like this. You dont need to be logical or explain yourself just let all the frustration out.
I'll go first. Aston villa you do my fuckin head in. Why I love you I dont fuckin know. If I had been married to you I would have packed my bags and fucked off years ago...oh and as for that fucking dive the bastard should be made to cut villa park with a pair of scissors then given a can of polish and a cloth and be made to clean every fuckin seat in the ground.
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I hate VA fucking R. Brentford player pulling Konsas shirt off his back today.Its a blatant penalty. VAR does nothing. They have been giving them all season in fact only yesterday Man City were awarded a pen for the same thing. No consistency at all. Just fuck off VAR
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Brentford, a town in West London we never knew existed until 5 or so years ago.
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I've nothing good to say about it except it's where the brilliant People Just Do Nothing comedy series was set.
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Brentford, a town in West London we never knew existed until 5 or so years ago.
I knew about it, and nearly bought a flat there. It's not its fault, it's ours.
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Brentford, a town in West London we never knew existed until 5 or so years ago.
No. We knew it because our moms shopped at
and we listened to
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David Ellery and Uriah Rennie are a pair of wankers. Ruined football in the 90's and 2000's.
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I'm absolutely fuming that the thread title doesn't reference Rantin' Rob.
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Great thread idea.
you twats
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I think after games like today we need a thread like this. You dont need to be logical or explain yourself just let all the frustration out.
I'll go first. Aston villa you do my fuckin head in. Why I love you I dont fuckin know. If I had been married to you I would have packed my bags and fucked off years ago...oh and as for that fucking dive the bastard should be made to cut villa park with a pair of scissors then given a can of polish and a cloth and be made to clean every fuckin seat in the ground.
Amen. Days like yesterday happen too often to us and they leave such a sour taste.
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I'm sick of us being shit. Brilliant owners but the football team is still capable of grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory all too often. Massive club, massive ambition, massive shit.
I like the thread. Good idea, especially the bit where we don't have to justify our rant.
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I am beyond ranting. As a Villa fan you know it is completely pointless. Like shouting up a drainpipe. Our chairman is a Liverpool worshipping prick whose only skillset is that of a PR fixer. Instead of addressing the turmoil that the trolley dash with the Ratboy's money created, Trolley Dash MkII will be trumpeted to raise fans' morale so that Gerrard can have more expensive stuff to play with. The blindingly obvious truth that football clubs improve from the bottom up is utterly incomprehensible to them.
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Oh, and Tuanzebe, you were never good enough anyway. So fuck off to Italy.
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I am beyond ranting. As a Villa fan you know it is completely pointless. Like shouting up a drainpipe. Our chairman is a Liverpool worshipping prick whose only skillset is that of a PR fixer. Instead of addressing the turmoil that the trolley dash with the Ratboy's money created, Trolley Dash MkII will be trumpeted to raise fans' morale so that Gerrard can have more expensive stuff to play with. The blindingly obvious truth that football clubs improve from the bottom up is utterly incomprehensible to them.
heh. We have a winner!
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I am beyond ranting. As a Villa fan you know it is completely pointless. Like shouting up a drainpipe. Our chairman is a Liverpool worshipping prick whose only skillset is that of a PR fixer. Instead of addressing the turmoil that the trolley dash with the Ratboy's money created, Trolley Dash MkII will be trumpeted to raise fans' morale so that Gerrard can have more expensive stuff to play with. The blindingly obvious truth that football clubs improve from the bottom up is utterly incomprehensible to them.
heh. We have a winner!
Agreed, miseryarsing raised to the level of art.
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The Premier League aka 'The Greatest League In The World' is currently being run away with by a team that takes away spontaneity, joy, excitement and jeopardy and replaces it with a passionless, ruthless, relentless dirge.
A team that complains about the tiredness of their players when they have a £100 million player getting splinters in his arse on the bench...and they don't have the wit to see it.
A team owned by an oil rich nation state that believes that they exist in a level playing field.
Watching Man City in the flesh it is impossible not to be impressed by their grim technical superiority whilst at the same time feeling all of the oxygen being sucked out of the stadium so that fans watching them are rendered speechless, struggling to breathe, scarcely sure whether they are actually still alive.
Man City present a fascistic version of football, a brutal destructive evil force which if left unchallenged will destroy everything in its path.
Villa by contrast are wonderfully imperfect, a living, breathing embodiment of life itself in all of its messy, unpredictable, sometimes appalling, sometimes wonderful glory.
Villa is alive and long may it be so.
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I am beyond ranting. As a Villa fan you know it is completely pointless. Like shouting up a drainpipe. Our chairman is a Liverpool worshipping prick whose only skillset is that of a PR fixer. Instead of addressing the turmoil that the trolley dash with the Ratboy's money created, Trolley Dash MkII will be trumpeted to raise fans' morale so that Gerrard can have more expensive stuff to play with. The blindingly obvious truth that football clubs improve from the bottom up is utterly incomprehensible to them.
And that's one of the big disappointments of the season for me. I thought we were building from the bottom up, engaged on a long-term project that everyone from owners down had bought into. But in reality we're a football club like any other.
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No matter what playing or coaching staff we have even with decent owners the end result always seems to be the same.so much hope and hype from the Club and talk of a return to European Football which always ends in Disaster.
We splash out ridiculous money on Players who never turn out to be that good and then when we change managers we then start saying the players aren't good enough....repeat
Getting very predictable now. I guess Everton fans feel he same
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I am beyond ranting. As a Villa fan you know it is completely pointless. Like shouting up a drainpipe. Our chairman is a Liverpool worshipping prick whose only skillset is that of a PR fixer. Instead of addressing the turmoil that the trolley dash with the Ratboy's money created, Trolley Dash MkII will be trumpeted to raise fans' morale so that Gerrard can have more expensive stuff to play with. The blindingly obvious truth that football clubs improve from the bottom up is utterly incomprehensible to them.
And that's one of the big disappointments of the season for me. I thought we were building from the bottom up, engaged on a long-term project that everyone from owners down had bought into. But in reality we're a football club like any other.
We’ve been going around the country snapping up all of the brightest young talent. That they didn’t come on yesterday doesn’t detract from the fact that this is clearly a long term project.
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I loved football, unconditionally, until the emergence of Man City's oil billionaires. Slowly, and steadily, my passion for the game deserted me in the 2010s. That lot being able to take our best player every year just sickened me.
2017-18 rekindled my love of the game as I was mesmerized by Joe's ability. A local lad leading us back to glory. Yes, the playoff against Fulham was tough but I was hooked again. With the new owners, Joe sticking with us and subsequently the journey with Smith I felt maybe we would be the club to show that there was still room for a Roy of the Rovers type story in modern football.
But no. The events of summer 2021 have shown that there isn't. Even a so-called 'one of our own' who supposedly bled claret and blue can be pinched from us by those bastards. I think we are all still in shock and I just hope the club can get the narrative back on track.
*if Newcastle end up staying up and pulling the same trick as City I think I am done as it's not the same game I grew up with
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I am beyond ranting. As a Villa fan you know it is completely pointless. Like shouting up a drainpipe. Our chairman is a Liverpool worshipping prick whose only skillset is that of a PR fixer. Instead of addressing the turmoil that the trolley dash with the Ratboy's money created, Trolley Dash MkII will be trumpeted to raise fans' morale so that Gerrard can have more expensive stuff to play with. The blindingly obvious truth that football clubs improve from the bottom up is utterly incomprehensible to them.
heh. We have a winner!
I didn't know it was a competition. Hold my coat love....
I fucking hate Small Heath. Just one look at St Andrews, that crumbling monument to misery and failure makes me feel sick.The sight of it makes my eyes bleed. The sound of it makes my ears curl. The smell of it makes my nostrils burn and the thought of it makes me want to throw up. It's a festering carbuncle on the face of the earth.
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I am beyond ranting. As a Villa fan you know it is completely pointless. Like shouting up a drainpipe. Our chairman is a Liverpool worshipping prick whose only skillset is that of a PR fixer. Instead of addressing the turmoil that the trolley dash with the Ratboy's money created, Trolley Dash MkII will be trumpeted to raise fans' morale so that Gerrard can have more expensive stuff to play with. The blindingly obvious truth that football clubs improve from the bottom up is utterly incomprehensible to them.
And that's one of the big disappointments of the season for me. I thought we were building from the bottom up, engaged on a long-term project that everyone from owners down had bought into. But in reality we're a football club like any other.
There was no more evidence of this than yesterday. Traore starting, Trez coming on as sub, so many youngsters on the bench and not one of them called upon.
All the talk since is who we need to replace and buy.
It will be interesting to see how many of our youngsters come through in the coming seasons.
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We had a 20 year old local lad in the starting line up.
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I am beyond ranting. As a Villa fan you know it is completely pointless. Like shouting up a drainpipe. Our chairman is a Liverpool worshipping prick whose only skillset is that of a PR fixer. Instead of addressing the turmoil that the trolley dash with the Ratboy's money created, Trolley Dash MkII will be trumpeted to raise fans' morale so that Gerrard can have more expensive stuff to play with. The blindingly obvious truth that football clubs improve from the bottom up is utterly incomprehensible to them.
Hallelujah!
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings chaps, but Smith isn't coming back.
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Can we rant about anything? Good.
Chelsea, always hated them, always will. Grew up in Surrey everyone was a Chelsea fan, we even had Ron 'Chopper' Harris running a newsagent in his retirement near to us. Hated going there more than Upton Park even though Chelsea was slightly less racist and slightly less likely you'd get filled in before, during or after. They epitomise everything I hate about modern football in the Sky era, a wealthy owner who has no real interest in the game other than making sure his money is laundered successfully, fanbase of Johnny come lately's who wouldn't know who Kerry Dixon was, Kerry Dixon, Tim Lovejoy, Dennis Wise, The Shed, a Chelsea Brick, Full Kit John Terry, Ken Bates, the list is endless.
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I am beyond ranting. As a Villa fan you know it is completely pointless. Like shouting up a drainpipe. Our chairman is a Liverpool worshipping prick whose only skillset is that of a PR fixer. Instead of addressing the turmoil that the trolley dash with the Ratboy's money created, Trolley Dash MkII will be trumpeted to raise fans' morale so that Gerrard can have more expensive stuff to play with. The blindingly obvious truth that football clubs improve from the bottom up is utterly incomprehensible to them.
Hallelujah!
I struggle with this a bit. Young players are getting opportunities in and around the squad, but it doesn’t mean spending a fairly substantial sum in improving weaknesses in the squad isn’t required. Feels a bit like whatever approach the owners, CEO, or manager takes they’ll be damned.
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My rant is that the governing body of our game that is supposed to ensure the integrity of proffessional football in England has over and over again failed in its first duty. When City were allowed to be bought by what is another country they did nothing, when a russian oligarch bought Chelsea they did nothing and now they turn a blind eye when someone who most of the world believe was behind the murder of an innocent journalist buys Newcastle just proves that there is no integrity left, no matter what you have done if you have the money you can buy a premiership football club. They should be named and shamed.
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Just f***ing once would it be possible to go to an away day to Brighton without Southern twatting trains deciding to dig up some all-important bit of bloody track for the millionth time? First time in ages we're playing them at 3pm on a Saturday, and it's still gonna be an absolute ball-ache there and back.
And that of course is on top of Newcastle station being some sort of train black hole on the weekend we play them.
And on the back of ridiculous bloody kick-off times, like the Friday 8pm in Southampton (no trains post game) and of course next Monday at *checks notes scrawled so aggressively you can read them twenty pages later* 7.55pm (haha, what's a train?).
Screw you BBC. Screw you Sky. Screw you Southern Trains. Screw you LNER.
3,851 miles I've done so far this far following this side. And these twats don't make any of it easy.
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I'd like to rant about you lot and this thread.
OK so we lost to a club normally so low down the football pyramid that even in the early 70s we didn't need to play them.
Now you all want Gerrard sacked. Before he arrived none of you wanted him here and you said you were underwhelmed, but we get him so you all say you're whelmed, he gets a couple of results and you're all overwhelmed and we're heading for the chumps league. But now we lose to Fulham reserves (again) and you're all weepy about the good old days with Deano.
That highly respected Arsenal legend David O'Leary was right, you're all fickle !
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My twopenneth worth. I am sick of us being a soft touch and a club that in the last two decades has by and large punched below its weight. We are Aston Villa but we have grown an increasing inferiority complex to the extent that commentators can routinely claim that teams like Brentford would target games against us as opportunities for points.
We have the most fantastic owners and have never had a better opportunity to become heavyweights again, but we are stuck in a cycle of underachievement and shrugging our collective shoulders at defeats like Sunday’s. The club needs a culture change alongside the money and ambition. It is still a cosy place to earn a living - and I want Gerrard to be the one to finally change it please.
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I'd like to rant about you lot and this thread.
OK so we lost to a club normally so low down the football pyramid that even in the early 70s we didn't need to play them.
Now you all want Gerrard sacked. Before he arrived none of you wanted him here and you said you were underwhelmed, but we get him so you all say you're whelmed, he gets a couple of results and you're all overwhelmed and we're heading for the chumps league. But now we lose to Fulham reserves (again) and you're all weepy about the good old days with Deano.
That highly respected Arsenal legend David O'Leary was right, you're all fickle !
All?
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Brentford, a town in West London we never knew existed until 5 or so years ago.
I knew about it, and nearly bought a flat there. It's not its fault, it's ours.
I agree, a really good series. Set in Brentford but much of it filmed in a now demolished block in nearby Acton.
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Rant Fickle yes that’s me Great when we win shit when lose however I have no words to describe that loss to Brentford !!!!
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The Premier League aka 'The Greatest League In The World' is currently being run away with by a team that takes away spontaneity, joy, excitement and jeopardy and replaces it with a passionless, ruthless, relentless dirge.
A team that complains about the tiredness of their players when they have a £100 million player getting splinters in his arse on the bench...and they don't have the wit to see it.
A team owned by an oil rich nation state that believes that they exist in a level playing field.
Watching Man City in the flesh it is impossible not to be impressed by their grim technical superiority whilst at the same time feeling all of the oxygen being sucked out of the stadium so that fans watching them are rendered speechless, struggling to breathe, scarcely sure whether they are actually still alive.
Man City present a fascistic version of football, a brutal destructive evil force which if left unchallenged will destroy everything in its path.
Villa by contrast are wonderfully imperfect, a living, breathing embodiment of life itself in all of its messy, unpredictable, sometimes appalling, sometimes wonderful glory.
Villa is alive and long may it be so.
This is an absolutely beautiful summary of my feelings.
My rant is well-worn territory, but in our time away from the Premier League the shift to the league becoming "THE MAGNIFICENT SIX (and 14 other clubs nobody cares about)" is sickening and ridiculous.
It was always there, but it's now permeated every aspect of the game at large. Every football related TV programme, podcast, YouTube video and article is about the same 6 clubs and any mention of the" other 14" is a condescending nod to the plucky little teams that are competing against the MIGHTY Spurs/Gunners/Citeh et al.
I really wonder what our owners must be thinking about how on earth they can possibly turn us into anything other than also-rans when the entire narrative is so laser-focused on "the big 6" and the way in which even the lad who bled claret and blue is plucked away when one of the "big boys" come running.
The Grealish transfer is in fact a great example of this, that the talking heads genuinely couldn't comprehend why our fans didn't fall to their knees in joy that one of our players had been summoned to play for "an elite club".
I wish they'd all f--k off to the super-league and let us get on with it.
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Managers moaning about the Xmas schedule? Go fucking manage in Qatar then.
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I'm fed up with being crap. Potentially eleven seasons without a top half finish and 26 without a trophy. When I think of the the teams I grew up with in the 90s I feel sorry for kids who've only experienced this last decade.
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Every time we seem to have turned a corner we slam into reverse. It's almost as though we're scared of what might be ahead.
End of rant.
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can I just say Mahmoud Hassan is still an embarrassing twat and hopefully he is fucked off.
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The Premier League aka 'The Greatest League In The World' is currently being run away with by a team that takes away spontaneity, joy, excitement and jeopardy and replaces it with a passionless, ruthless, relentless dirge.
This is like Liverpool in the 80's until the backpass rule was implemented.
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Fucking sign someone already!!
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Flatter to deceive - 'appear promising but ultimately disappoint'.
We should be called Flatter to Deceive FC.
We have so many ingredients of a massive club but not the winning mentality. From top to bottom, we tolerate mediocrity, losing and disappointment far to easy. Okay, we moan and sulk for a few days but do feck all about it. We need a winning mentality and fast.
Given time, Gerrard and our owners can instill that mentality. They are proven winners and should tolerate nothing less. I hope they weed out any players who are not 100% committed to winning and only buy players who will not tolerate defeat. Without a 'never say die' attitude from all our players we will never win anything.
Buy winners not losers. We shop around the relegated clubs too much. They are losers. Shop around the top clubs instead, they have massive squads and hoards of winners in their midst. Let's rattle their cage. For 100 milion, Man City not only got fuck features but they also stopped an emerging Club in its tracks. We need to think like this if we are ever going to break in to the top 4 again.
I live miles away now but my brother is still a season ticket holder. He blames our fans. Instead of cheering all the time they put the fear of God into many of our players. We half expect the opposition to score in any minute, could never hold on to a lead and the next balls up is just around the corner. This transmits onto the field of play and all to often has a negative affect. I always read the vitriolic match threads and often think 'thank fuck' I don't have to play in front of that bunch. Our fans have to adopt a more positive, supportive approach if we are going to hit the heights again. Easier said than done.
Rant over.
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Brentford, a town in West London we never knew existed until 5 or so years ago.
Now it’s nylon impossible to forget it.
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Blades engraved with babies names while pylons hide the suicides
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My rant is we can be brilliant one minute then utter crap the next I just don't get it.
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Brentford, a town in West London we never knew existed until 5 or so years ago.
Now it’s nylon impossible to forget it.
There was a local Brum (punk?) band called Brent Ford and the Nylons. My step dad has got a poster of them from his uni days.
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings chaps, but Smith isn't coming back.
And neither is Lerner....
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings chaps, but Smith isn't coming back.
And neither is Lerner....
Is Dr Tone going to come back from Rome again?
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Managers moaning about the Xmas schedule? Go fucking manage in Qatar then.
The Qatar league had games on 25th December just gone. ;D
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Ex-player rants.
Lescott: Professed to be a Villa fan yet always seemed to take great delight every time he scored against us. Tesco bags happy to let us have him which should have been a warning sign. Proceeded to show he was now well out of his depth at the top level in the most inept and atrocious Villa side in my memory before moving to his level in the lower echelons of Greek football. Plus the tweet from his phone whilst driving.
Micah Richards: Another of the alumni of 2015/16. Seemed like a potentially good idea until he was to play him at centre back. Unclear how he passed his medical. Straight off the bat, I don’t blame him for taking the full period of his contract. That’s on the club for offering it to him. Where I do blame him is turning victim once he retired immediately after the contract expired in an attempt to justify taking the money, even when we were facing potential bankruptcy.
Fabian Delph: Self explanatory although extra credit is required for such a bang average player with one good season behind him and a poor injury record getting many of us so riled up.
Gareth Southgate: Slapped in a transfer request citing a lack of ambition and wanting to move to a bigger club from the club that helped turn him from an average midfielder into an international centre back in 6 months. Ended up at Middlesborough being managed by Steve Mcclaren and somehow makes it feel as though HE hasn’t forgiven us.
Ross McCormack: Pathetic.
Craig Gardner: Once it was clear he was never going to be much of a player suddenly remembered he was a bluenose all along. Something quite correct about that.
Charles Inzogbia: Had seemingly retired from football until Sherwood found him down the back of a sofa. Played a couple of good games and retired for good during the 2015 FA Cup final.
Gareth Barry: Want to know how to damage 10 years of good work in about 10 minutes one summer? Ask him. The club he wanted to join didn’t really even want him.
Joe: The worst offender of the lot. Was supposed to be one of us. Showed who he was by trying to leave 3 times and making the biggest move of his career the least challenging. From a club where he was worshipped, team news centred around his playing and the side was built around maximizing his ability to a club who have consistently cherry picked our best players, where he barely sees the ball and who’s fans couldn’t give a sh*t if he plays or not. Yet is miffed by this turn of events.
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Buying the best players from relegated clubs. Constantly buying players under 6ft tall to compete in the most physically demanding league on the planet. VAR and it’s different interpretations for Top 6 clubs. Spurs even being called a top 6 club. The FA Cup and our square ball. Endless years of utter shite, ill fitting, unavailable kits. Midday kick offs. Shit food, shit beer at the ground. Randomness of TV screens in stands. Citeh, Chelsea blatantly just ignoring the rules, with Newcastle to follow.
Still wouldn’t give it up though.
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Ex-player rants.
Lescott: Professed to be a Villa fan yet always seemed to take great delight every time he scored against us. Tesco bags happy to let us have him which should have been a warning sign. Proceeded to show he was now well out of his depth at the top level in the most inept and atrocious Villa side in my memory before moving to his level in the lower echelons of Greek football. Plus the tweet from his phone whilst driving.
Micah Richards: Another of the alumni of 2015/16. Seemed like a potentially good idea until he was to play him at centre back. Unclear how he passed his medical. Straight off the bat, I don’t blame him for taking the full period of his contract. That’s on the club for offering it to him. Where I do blame him is turning victim once he retired immediately after the contract expired in an attempt to justify taking the money, even when we were facing potential bankruptcy.
Fabian Delph: Self explanatory although extra credit is required for such a bang average player with one good season behind him and a poor injury record getting many of us so riled up.
Gareth Southgate: Slapped in a transfer request citing a lack of ambition and wanting to move to a bigger club from the club that helped turn him from an average midfielder into an international centre back in 6 months. Ended up at Middlesborough being managed by Steve Mcclaren and somehow makes it feel as though HE hasn’t forgiven us.
Ross McCormack: Pathetic.
Craig Gardner: Once it was clear he was never going to be much of a player suddenly remembered he was a bluenose all along. Something quite correct about that.
Charles Inzogbia: Had seemingly retired from football until Sherwood found him down the back of a sofa. Played a couple of good games and retired for good during the 2015 FA Cup final.
Gareth Barry: Want to know how to damage 10 years of good work in about 10 minutes one summer? Ask him. The club he wanted to join didn’t really even want him.
Joe: The worst offender of the lot. Was supposed to be one of us. Showed who he was by trying to leave 3 times and making the biggest move of his career the least challenging. From a club where he was worshipped, team news centred around his playing and the side was built around maximizing his ability to a club who have consistently cherry picked our best players, where he barely sees the ball and who’s fans couldn’t give a sh*t if he plays or not. Yet is miffed by this turn of events.
anything on Gabby?
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Ex-player rants.
Lescott: Professed to be a Villa fan yet always seemed to take great delight every time he scored against us. Tesco bags happy to let us have him which should have been a warning sign. Proceeded to show he was now well out of his depth at the top level in the most inept and atrocious Villa side in my memory before moving to his level in the lower echelons of Greek football. Plus the tweet from his phone whilst driving.
Micah Richards: Another of the alumni of 2015/16. Seemed like a potentially good idea until he was to play him at centre back. Unclear how he passed his medical. Straight off the bat, I don’t blame him for taking the full period of his contract. That’s on the club for offering it to him. Where I do blame him is turning victim once he retired immediately after the contract expired in an attempt to justify taking the money, even when we were facing potential bankruptcy.
Fabian Delph: Self explanatory although extra credit is required for such a bang average player with one good season behind him and a poor injury record getting many of us so riled up.
Gareth Southgate: Slapped in a transfer request citing a lack of ambition and wanting to move to a bigger club from the club that helped turn him from an average midfielder into an international centre back in 6 months. Ended up at Middlesborough being managed by Steve Mcclaren and somehow makes it feel as though HE hasn’t forgiven us.
Ross McCormack: Pathetic.
Craig Gardner: Once it was clear he was never going to be much of a player suddenly remembered he was a bluenose all along. Something quite correct about that.
Charles Inzogbia: Had seemingly retired from football until Sherwood found him down the back of a sofa. Played a couple of good games and retired for good during the 2015 FA Cup final.
Gareth Barry: Want to know how to damage 10 years of good work in about 10 minutes one summer? Ask him. The club he wanted to join didn’t really even want him.
Joe: The worst offender of the lot. Was supposed to be one of us. Showed who he was by trying to leave 3 times and making the biggest move of his career the least challenging. From a club where he was worshipped, team news centred around his playing and the side was built around maximizing his ability to a club who have consistently cherry picked our best players, where he barely sees the ball and who’s fans couldn’t give a sh*t if he plays or not. Yet is miffed by this turn of events.
anything on Gabby?
Always good for a goal against SHA and could be deadly in the MON meat & potatoes tactical set up. Seemingly in a permanent sulk after MON left, until his career ended when he lost his pace. Awful second half to his Villa career when he often phoned it in but for which he was rewarded with new contract after new contract (that's 'loyalty' Gabby). Abdicated from helping the team and club when he was needed most, preferring to head to Dubai and entertaining ladies in hotels as ‘his’ ship was sinking. When it’s the same problem with 4 or 5 different managers, you should start to think ‘maybe it’s me?’
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Ex-player rants.
Steeeeeeevve Hoddddddddddddge
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Ex-player rants.
Steeeeeeevve Hoddddddddddddge
A man even more tone deaf than Joe, he’s built an entire life on the day he made a beeline to get Maradona’s shirt after England had been cheated out of a World Cup thus demonstrating where his head was really at whilst his team and supporters suffered. A shot across the bows to Villa fans that this self absorbed mercenary would help rely on bad back passes to get what he wanted most in life. Thought he was too big for us and told us so. The fact that he forced a move away at a time in the game where clubs decided where footballers went or didn’t go speaks volumes.
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Anyone who says ‘playing between the lines’ needs locking up for eternity. If not longer.
Thank you.
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Anyone who uses the phrase “the games gone”.
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Sky News presenter today said that Harry Kane was linked with a move to Man Citeh but he decided to remain at Spurs.
What absolute bollox.
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Ex-player rants.
Steeeeeeevve Hoddddddddddddge
You spelt Wanker wrong.
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I'd like to rant about you lot and this thread.
OK so we lost to a club normally so low down the football pyramid that even in the early 70s we didn't need to play them.
Now you all want Gerrard sacked. Before he arrived none of you wanted him here and you said you were underwhelmed, but we get him so you all say you're whelmed, he gets a couple of results and you're all overwhelmed and we're heading for the chumps league. But now we lose to Fulham reserves (again) and you're all weepy about the good old days with Deano.
That highly respected Arsenal legend David O'Leary was right, you're all fickle !
Bit of a sweeping statement is this.
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That's what this thread is all about. No logic just have your say. Just fuckin rant with no come back
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Ex-player rants.
Steeeeeeevve Hoddddddddddddge
A man even more tone deaf than Joe, he’s built an entire life on the day he made a beeline to get Maradona’s shirt after England had been cheated out of a World Cup thus demonstrating where his head was really at whilst his team and supporters suffered. A shot across the bows to Villa fans that this self absorbed mercenary would help rely on bad back passes to get what he wanted most in life. Thought he was too big for us and told us so. The fact that he forced a move away at a time in the game where clubs decided where footballers went or didn’t go speaks volumes.
That back pass was something else. Only he will ever really know whether he meant it or not (History lesson for the younger readers: Hodge came back from Mexico'86, Villa were a poor side in fairness, then the night before a home game against Norwich City he announced he wanted to leave. The crowd essentially ripped him a new one at the game and his back pass gifted Norwich their opener in their 4-1 win).
As for that Maradona shirt. Technically, Hodge provided the assist.
Maybe he should be called Backpasses from now on?
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Ex-player rants.
Steeeeeeevve Hoddddddddddddge
A man even more tone deaf than Joe, he’s built an entire life on the day he made a beeline to get Maradona’s shirt after England had been cheated out of a World Cup thus demonstrating where his head was really at whilst his team and supporters suffered. A shot across the bows to Villa fans that this self absorbed mercenary would help rely on bad back passes to get what he wanted most in life. Thought he was too big for us and told us so. The fact that he forced a move away at a time in the game where clubs decided where footballers went or didn’t go speaks volumes.
That back pass was something else. Only he will ever really know whether he meant it or not (History lesson for the younger readers: Hodge came back from Mexico'86, Villa were a poor side in fairness, then the night before a home game against Norwich City he announced he wanted to leave. The crowd essentially ripped him a new one at the game and his back pass gifted Norwich their opener in their 4-1 win).
As for that Maradona shirt. Technically, Hodge provided the assist.
Maybe he should be called Backpasses from now on?
Was trying to get at it being his back passing being his route to getting what he wanted most from life; Maradona's shirt and leaving Villa because without either, it's far less likely he'd have got what we wanted! He even titled his own book 'The man with Maradona's shirt.'
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Was trying to get at it being his back passing being his route to getting what he wanted most from life;
I re-read you post after I'd posted and can see now what you were getting at.
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Was trying to get at it being his back passing being his route to getting what he wanted most from life;
I re-read you post after I'd posted and can see now what you were getting at.
Should have made it clearer.
Imagine the social media meltdowns he'd have caused now.
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Some great ex-player summations there. How about one for Alpay?
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Ex-player rants.
Steeeeeeevve Hoddddddddddddge
cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit
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Perfect.
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Ex-player rants.
Steeeeeeevve Hoddddddddddddge
cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit
I'm too young to remember Hodge, but that is poetry.
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Ex-player rants.
Steeeeeeevve Hoddddddddddddge
cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit
I'm too young to remember Hodge, but that is poetry.
McColgan, M. Sadly missed.
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Some great ex-player summations there. How about one for Alpay?
Content Warning: the below uses the word ‘nutter.’ And is about Alpay.
Alpay Ozalan: One of John Gregory’s first forays into the international transfer market was to fetch back a complete nutter in Alpay. Started off his time at Villa all smiles, badge kissing, good performances and piggybacks. Ended it getting his ‘dream move’ to play in South Korea after thinking he was going to replace Fabio Cannavaro at Inter Milan following a decent World Cup with Turkey. In between there were clashes with Villa over money, clashes with G.Taylor, clashes with his own team mates and then the worst sin; clashing with a newly anointed national treasure who’s now justifying the World Cup in Qatar. Seemingly so close to spontaneously combusting that he made one D.Ellis break the habit of a lifetime and write off an investment which should give an indication as to the ferocity Alpay could conjure. Now bringing his unique brand of enforcement off the pitch in Turkey’s Department for Justice as a politician, where he’s been known to throw the odd punch or two around in assembly. Still awaiting a fingers to lips celebration to follow.
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Ex-player rants.
Steeeeeeevve Hoddddddddddddge
cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit
Pepsi!
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Ex-player rants.
Steeeeeeevve Hoddddddddddddge
cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit
I'm too young to remember Hodge, but that is poetry.
McColgan, M. Sadly missed.
Totally agree I liked Mr McColgans postsand he was a great contributor to this site.
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Greed. Lies. Ego. And thats just the players. All links with their fans severed by the amount of money swilling around in the premier league to the point that footballers talk about themselves as if fans should be interested in their 'journey' and their ambition to play 'at the highest levels' which means somehow we should all be grateful that they descend to earth and deign to spend a little time with Aston Villa as a stepping stone to greater things. Footballs' soul is about fans and clubs, not players, agents, managers and trumped-up competitions designed to enrich the national and international football bureaucrats who have done nothing but ruin OUR game. When murderers can pass a fit and proper test, when 'fair play' means shutting the door to a private club to anyone else who dares to have a go, when a 'European Super League' is a sickening parody, a closed shop of the rich for the rich to be consumed around the world by people who have no idea what truly supporting a football club is about then we are well and truly fucked. Fucked as a World Cup to be played in a country who punishes peoples basic freedoms and bought the competition with bribes and assisted by a greasy worm of a man in charge of world football to be played in the middle of winter in stadiums built on the bones of indentured labourers then it is a monument to total world class fuckery. And the fuckedupness now has new variants of disaster in 48 country world cups ....what is the point.... sickening greed. Agents feeding off the carcass of the peoples game, players so convinced of their privelege that they would abandon their hometown club, their captaincy , their legacy as a legend of their own club to become a bitpart player for a trashy new money monopoly with no heritage, no class and no values. Players wives, girlfriends attracted solely by wealth who believe they have some expertise in public health and use the tools of social media to spout their idiotic bile and poison from the beach in Dubai, influencing the gullible, giving excuses to the weak-willed, raising doubts and ending up spreading around a fatal disease amongst the poor, the elderly and the gullible. Good on yer Australia for calling out these dangerous clowns, now over to the Premier League to ban players who refuse to do the right thing, playing in front of crowds who must all be vaccinated to protect each other, their families and health service. Do the right thing for once you self-important overpaid conceited twats and get in line with the rest of us trying to get through it all. I wont hold my breath.
Oh yes and stadiums. Its a fucking football ground. 4 stands. End of.
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That's a pretty good rant, right there.
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Greed. Lies. Ego. And thats just the players. All links with their fans severed by the amount of money swilling around in the premier league to the point that footballers talk about themselves as if fans should be interested in their 'journey' and their ambition to play 'at the highest levels' which means somehow we should all be grateful that they descend to earth and deign to spend a little time with Aston Villa as a stepping stone to greater things. Footballs' soul is about fans and clubs, not players, agents, managers and trumped-up competitions designed to enrich the national and international football bureaucrats who have done nothing but ruin OUR game. When murderers can pass a fit and proper test, when 'fair play' means shutting the door to a private club to anyone else who dares to have a go, when a 'European Super League' is a sickening parody, a closed shop of the rich for the rich to be consumed around the world by people who have no idea what truly supporting a football club is about then we are well and truly fucked. Fucked as a World Cup to be played in a country who punishes peoples basic freedoms and bought the competition with bribes and assisted by a greasy worm of a man in charge of world football to be played in the middle of winter in stadiums built on the bones of indentured labourers then it is a monument to total world class fuckery. And the fuckedupness now has new variants of disaster in 48 country world cups ....what is the point.... sickening greed. Agents feeding off the carcass of the peoples game, players so convinced of their privelege that they would abandon their hometown club, their captaincy , their legacy as a legend of their own club to become a bitpart player for a trashy new money monopoly with no heritage, no class and no values. Players wives, girlfriends attracted solely by wealth who believe they have some expertise in public health and use the tools of social media to spout their idiotic bile and poison from the beach in Dubai, influencing the gullible, giving excuses to the weak-willed, raising doubts and ending up spreading around a fatal disease amongst the poor, the elderly and the gullible. Good on yer Australia for calling out these dangerous clowns, now over to the Premier League to ban players who refuse to do the right thing, playing in front of crowds who must all be vaccinated to protect each other, their families and health service. Do the right thing for once you self-important overpaid conceited twats and get in line with the rest of us trying to get through it all. I wont hold my breath.
Oh yes and stadiums. Its a fucking football ground. 4 stands. End of.
Nail on head!
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Greed. Lies. Ego. And thats just the players. All links with their fans severed by the amount of money swilling around in the premier league to the point that footballers talk about themselves as if fans should be interested in their 'journey' and their ambition to play 'at the highest levels' which means somehow we should all be grateful that they descend to earth and deign to spend a little time with Aston Villa as a stepping stone to greater things. Footballs' soul is about fans and clubs, not players, agents, managers and trumped-up competitions designed to enrich the national and international football bureaucrats who have done nothing but ruin OUR game. When murderers can pass a fit and proper test, when 'fair play' means shutting the door to a private club to anyone else who dares to have a go, when a 'European Super League' is a sickening parody, a closed shop of the rich for the rich to be consumed around the world by people who have no idea what truly supporting a football club is about then we are well and truly fucked. Fucked as a World Cup to be played in a country who punishes peoples basic freedoms and bought the competition with bribes and assisted by a greasy worm of a man in charge of world football to be played in the middle of winter in stadiums built on the bones of indentured labourers then it is a monument to total world class fuckery. And the fuckedupness now has new variants of disaster in 48 country world cups ....what is the point.... sickening greed. Agents feeding off the carcass of the peoples game, players so convinced of their privelege that they would abandon their hometown club, their captaincy , their legacy as a legend of their own club to become a bitpart player for a trashy new money monopoly with no heritage, no class and no values. Players wives, girlfriends attracted solely by wealth who believe they have some expertise in public health and use the tools of social media to spout their idiotic bile and poison from the beach in Dubai, influencing the gullible, giving excuses to the weak-willed, raising doubts and ending up spreading around a fatal disease amongst the poor, the elderly and the gullible. Good on yer Australia for calling out these dangerous clowns, now over to the Premier League to ban players who refuse to do the right thing, playing in front of crowds who must all be vaccinated to protect each other, their families and health service. Do the right thing for once you self-important overpaid conceited twats and get in line with the rest of us trying to get through it all. I wont hold my breath.
Oh yes and stadiums. Its a fucking football ground. 4 stands. End of.
For anybody with little or no knowledge of association football who wants to find out more about the beautiful game, this is a good introduction.
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We never seem to sign world class players.
Oh.
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This is new I like this thread!
Thanks
Up The Villa!
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Well if we were voting I'd say LeonW and IFWaters are pretty much neck and neck. Some top ranting there.
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Well if we were voting I'd say LeonW and IFWaters are pretty much neck and neck. Some top ranting there.
I'd vote for IFWaters. His rants have more acidity.
I also liked Bad English's one on Hodge. No messing about, just unleash.
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IFWaters has just won the fucking Internet.
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Ex Manager Rants
David O’Leary: Said he came to Villa to prove he didn’t need to spend money to do well. He then proceeded to moan about having no money to spend for the next 3 years but had the temerity to call us fickle. Good one. From competing with the Tottenham’s of this world to then competing with the Middlesborough’s and then to the Charlton’s, each new interview and season revealed the downward spiral O’Dreary was taking us on after a good first season. Being a manager usually requires management skills. He must have been absent that particular day whilst doing his badges because he couldn’t manage his dinner when it came to players. Didn’t miss the managing upwards course day mind. By the time he got booted out the world had seen enough and he managed only once more for less than a year in the UAE. He had one more sting in the tail to deliver to the Villa. As we were preparing for our 2010 league cup final he announced that for all the plaudits MON had received, he still hadn’t finished higher in the league than OLeary and had spent way more money. He may have had a point.
MON: Imagine reading a whole host of reviews online about a chef and a restaurant where the taster menus were always thoughtful and the food layered and evocative in its’ taste. You then book in to this restaurant, imagining the exciting and exotic fare you’re going to receive before a school dinner of meat and two veg is plonked down on your table with gravy on top whether you wanted it on or not. When you make a query about the menu choices, the chef flounces out despite a host of customers waiting. He never works in such a successful domestic restaurant again but retains the habit of buying lots of elaborate cooking equipment which he never uses. Yet still his online reviews barely seem to change.
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MON: Imagine reading a whole host of reviews online about a chef and a restaurant where the taster menus were always thoughtful and the food layered and evocative in its’ taste. You then book in to this restaurant, imagining the exciting and exotic fare you’re going to receive before a school dinner of meat and two veg is plonked down on your table with gravy on top whether you wanted it on or not. When you make a query about the menu choices, the chef flounces out despite a host of customers waiting. He never works in such a successful domestic restaurant again but retains the habit of buying lots of elaborate cooking equipment which he never uses. Yet still his online reviews barely seem to change.
10/10 for that.
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MON: Imagine reading a whole host of reviews online about a chef and a restaurant where the taster menus were always thoughtful and the food layered and evocative in its’ taste. You then book in to this restaurant, imagining the exciting and exotic fare you’re going to receive before a school dinner of meat and two veg is plonked down on your table with gravy on top whether you wanted it on or not. When you make a query about the menu choices, the chef flounces out despite a host of customers waiting. He never works in such a successful domestic restaurant again but retains the habit of buying lots of elaborate cooking equipment which he never uses. Yet still his online reviews barely seem to change.
10/10 for that.
Yes, that's a fucking belter.
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Our current manager Gerrard calling Coutinho "a friend of mine" is trying to prove what exactly.
Someone's forgotten the Coach player relationship dynamic
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Our current manager Gerrard calling Coutinho "a friend of mine" is trying to prove what exactly.
Someone's forgotten the Coach player relationship dynamic
Mate, I strongly advise you to drop this. Dean's not coming back, and these desperate attempts at finding reasons to hate the new guy and valorise the old guy are really, really not dignified.
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Our current manager Gerrard calling Coutinho "a friend of mine" is trying to prove what exactly.
Someone's forgotten the Coach player relationship dynamic
He is his friend. The relationship dynamic will be adjusted accordingly. It doesn't seem like a Phil and Greasy bromance-type friendship, does it?
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Our current manager Gerrard calling Coutinho "a friend of mine" is trying to prove what exactly.
Someone's forgotten the Coach player relationship dynamic
Happens in real life all the time - someone from your team gets promoted to be your boss, & a new dynamic emerges, often you won’t be friends in quite the same way ever again, but you’re still friends.
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MON: Imagine reading a whole host of reviews online about a chef and a restaurant where the taster menus were always thoughtful and the food layered and evocative in its’ taste. You then book in to this restaurant, imagining the exciting and exotic fare you’re going to receive before a school dinner of meat and two veg is plonked down on your table with gravy on top whether you wanted it on or not. When you make a query about the menu choices, the chef flounces out despite a host of customers waiting. He never works in such a successful domestic restaurant again but retains the habit of buying lots of elaborate cooking equipment which he never uses. Yet still his online reviews barely seem to change.
10/10 for that.
Yes, that's a fucking belter.
Very good.
Actually when I realised Coutinho had signed the last time I felt this excited was when MON signed for us. I hope I’m not as angry and disappointed at the end of the relationship this time as I was then.
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Glory-hunting sky-supporters.
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Football clubs with so much surplus cash during a global Pandemic that they can afford to pay £100m for a player they didn't even need and then consider him surplus to requirements without even blinking.
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Our current manager Gerrard calling Coutinho "a friend of mine" is trying to prove what exactly.
Someone's forgotten the Coach player relationship dynamic
Mate, I strongly advise you to drop this. Dean's not coming back, and these desperate attempts at finding reasons to hate the new guy and valorise the old guy are really, really not dignified.
Ok Monty . I'll deal this.
What's not dignified are Short term gains. I see through it but I'll let the man Utd matches play out before I rant on anything deemed necessary. I'm open to accepting the new manager and coach but don't see much change in final position coming about this season from changing from Deano to Steven. Granted don't need to force home any points or observations on ill discipline or rigid tactics , compact systems when there are also many positives have occured since bringing in new coach. So we can agree to disagree just have reservations and Brentford away was more than frustrating and predicatable in final result. So result wise it hardly looked like progress . Performance at times was lovely stuff though. But the attack at the goal itself forcing keeper in to saves was woeful.
That's done now and I hope Gerrards drive and enthusiasm will be communicated effeictively for a long while and not be something that ultimately ends in ruin.
Up the Villa.
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Great rant! UTV!
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MON: Imagine reading a whole host of reviews online about a chef and a restaurant where the taster menus were always thoughtful and the food layered and evocative in its’ taste. You then book in to this restaurant, imagining the exciting and exotic fare you’re going to receive before a school dinner of meat and two veg is plonked down on your table with gravy on top whether you wanted it on or not. When you make a query about the menu choices, the chef flounces out despite a host of customers waiting. He never works in such a successful domestic restaurant again but retains the habit of buying lots of elaborate cooking equipment which he never uses. Yet still his online reviews barely seem to change.
10/10 for that.
Yes, that's a fucking belter.
I'd go so far as to say tremendous.
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MON: Imagine reading a whole host of reviews online about a chef and a restaurant where the taster menus were always thoughtful and the food layered and evocative in its’ taste. You then book in to this restaurant, imagining the exciting and exotic fare you’re going to receive before a school dinner of meat and two veg is plonked down on your table with gravy on top whether you wanted it on or not. When you make a query about the menu choices, the chef flounces out despite a host of customers waiting. He never works in such a successful domestic restaurant again but retains the habit of buying lots of elaborate cooking equipment which he never uses. Yet still his online reviews barely seem to change.
10/10 for that.
Yes, that's a fucking belter.
I'd go so far as to say tremendous.
fab..u…las
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Just watching FA Cup Match of the Day.
One of the players is asked "Who do you fancy in the next round?"
He answers "Man Utd for me."
Fuck off you're getting the Villa.
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Fuck off united...fuck off VAR... fuck of shit referees..fuck off cheats cavani...just fuck off
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What I watched tonight was corruption. I am sick of being cheated. It is absolutely rotten. I wish we could have Division One back and none of the theatrics, pantomime shit of the premier-league era.
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Man United are cheating fucking ****** and always have been. It's even worse now that they're absolutely fucking shite.
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Man United are cheating fucking ****** and always have been. It's even worse now that they're absolutely fucking shite.
The FA is desperate to keep them relevant and bank on the international support.
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Novak Wankavic. Get jabbed you spreading fecker. Even his brother was embarrassed when the reporter asked him about being Covid positive and mixing with the public. Michael Oliver, take a look at yourself and man the fuck up. VAR, stop cheating.
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Tonight. Just, tonight. Would they have scrutinised the goal to that degree of it had been the Mancs who scored it? Would they fuck. You could tell as soon as they were looking at it for more than a minute that the goal was going to be disallowed, they were just trying to find a reason for it.
Up the other end, would they have ignored a Manc defender screaming in pain then pouring with blood in the penalty area? Would they fuck. They'd have watched VAR on loop until they found something, anything, to give a penalty for.
The cheating twats can shove the FA Cup up their arse, then they can shove it up a bit more, then they can get a bargepole and push the cup even more to make sure it's shoved sufficiently up their arse. And then they can fuck off. And when they've done that, they can fuck off again, and they can keep fucking off because they're cheating twats.
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Man Ure and us.
1. 1992-93- Fergie time against Wednesday. Denied us a title more or less.
2. Signing Yorke in 1998 when we were genuine title challengers.
3. Signing Bosnich in 1999 only to bin him soon after.
4. The 2002 FA Cup tie when we conceded three late goals to lose 2-3.
5. The 2010 League Cup final when we were cheated by corrupt officiating when Vidic was not sent off.
6. The 2-2 at Villa Park in 2010-11 when we again lost the lead late on after a terrific performance.
7. Them signing Young.
8. The home game in 2012-13 when we again lost a lead.
9. The away game in 2012-13, Van Persie hattrick.
10. Red nose pointing at his fucking watch on multiple occasions.
11. So many FA Cup third round games.
12. When we got relegated in 2016 it had to come at their place.
13. Tonight's corruption.
C**ts.
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Good work.
On point 8, Persie's hat-trick included two offside goals, and the third was possibly offside as well.
No VAR in those days, of course, so we got cheated.
Couldn't happen today, could it?
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VAR RANT:
BOFFIN 1: We’ve got a problem with making wrong decisions in events. What should we do?
BOFFIN 2: I know, we’ll use technology to ensure a consistent and fair system based on a defined, systematic approach.
BOFFIN 1: Sounds good. So the technology will do this for us?
BOFFIN 2: No, it can’t do that, so we’ll have to decide. Otherwise it would lead to an event being hours and hours long as it would review everything.
BOFFIN 1: So how will we decide when to use it?
BOFFIN 2: We’ll have to use it when we feel it’s needed.
BOFFIN 1: How will we know when that is?
BOFFIN 2: We’ll apply it when there’s been a clear and obvious error with a decision.
BOFFIN 1: So just to get this straight; the technology that we’re using to ensure a consistent and fair system, based upon a defined, systematic approach, will only be applied when we decide?
BOFFIN 2: Correct.
BOFFIN 1: So the decision making will be systematic some of the time?
BOFFIN 2: I guess so, but will definitely be applied to decision making when there’s a clear and obvious error, so that’ll be alright.
BOFFIN 1: What are we deciding is a clear and obvious error?
BOFFIN 2: We’ll use this from something called VAR: “There is no unanimity. Different VARS come up with different outcomes. But VAR should not be asking ‘Do I think it’s right or wrong?’ The question is ‘Is what the match officials have done a clear and obvious error. There is a very high bar for that intervention.” That’s from a similar decision-making body and the body which organises events.
BOFFIN 1: So how are we setting this high bar?
BOFFIN 2: As ‘Different VARS come up with different outcomes’ the bar will change from situation to situation.
BOFFIN 1: So every decision could be different?
BOFFIN 2: Correct.
BOFFIN 1: I thought the purpose of this project was to use technology to ensure a consistent and fair system based upon a defined, systematic approach?
BOFFIN 2: As I’ve explained, it will systematically be applied ...when we decide.
BOFFIN 1: What if we need more time to make a decision?
BOFFIN 2: With the technology and system as we've outlined it, it should be fairly swift.
BOFFIN 1: Because of the system as we've outlined?
BOFFIN 2: Yes. But to get the right decision, we’ll take as long as is required as we want to ensure the decision is right.
BOFFIN 1: Sounds good. How will we decide what should take more time?
BOFFIN 2: ‘Different VARS come up with different outcomes’ so that bar will change from situation to situation.
BOFFIN 1: If it takes a long time to make a decision, does that not suggest a problem with the algorithms we’re deploying?
BOFFIN 2: No, because ‘Different VARS come up with different outcomes’ so the algorithms will have to change from situation to situation.
BOFFIN 1: Right, so to make things clear, we’ll outline the defined, systematic system…
BOFFIN 2: Yes.
BOFFIN 1: … and make sure that people are trained in using it…
BOFFIN 2: Yes.
BOFFIN 1: …along with detailing what decisions are made…
BOFFIN 2: Correct.
BOFFIN 1: …and why we’ve made those decisions?
BOFFIN 2: No.
BOFFIN 1: Why would we be transparent about everything else but that part?
BOFFIN 2: (no answer).
BOFFIN 1: Boffin 2?
BOFFIN 2: (no answer).
BOFFIN 1: It’s clearly obviously something we should do?
BOFFIN 2: Today no, tomorrow maybe yes, who knows.
BOFFIN 1: And you think people will like this?
BOFFIN 2: They'll love it.
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Man Ure and us.
1. 1992-93- Fergie time against Wednesday. Denied us a title more or less.
2. Signing Yorke in 1998 when we were genuine title challengers.
3. Signing Bosnich in 1999 only to bin him soon after.
4. The 2002 FA Cup tie when we conceded three late goals to lose 2-3.
5. The 2010 League Cup final when we were cheated by corrupt officiating when Vidic was not sent off.
6. The 2-2 at Villa Park in 2010-11 when we again lost the lead late on after a terrific performance.
7. Them signing Young.
8. The home game in 2012-13 when we again lost a lead.
9. The away game in 2012-13, Van Persie hattrick.
10. Red nose pointing at his fucking watch on multiple occasions.
11. So many FA Cup third round games.
12. When we got relegated in 2016 it had to come at their place.
13. Tonight's corruption.
C**ts.
Somewhere between 4 and 5:
That last game of 2004/5 against them, in O'Leary's first season. We needed a point to finish 5th above Newcastle and get into the UEFA Cup. We should have had two penalties but of course didn't, and then had two goals disallowed, one for a Man U player running into one of his team mates and knocking him over with a Villa player nowhere near.
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VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!! 😡
That is all.
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We've just played two crap teams and lost. And why are we down in 13th place with the players we have. Have we really got the 13th best squad in the Premier league. I don't think so.
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We've just played two crap teams and lost. And why are we down in 13th place with the players we have. Have we really got the 13th best squad in the Premier league. I don't think so.
I think we can rant justifiably about Oliver and VAR; we have had some VAR decisions go our way but it doesn't make the one last night any better.
However, this is a relevant point. We have dominated the last two games against poor opposition and we have still managed to lose both with defensive frailties and a lack of finishing, and not solely from the forwards.
With Watkins not firing and the other main goal contributors from last season either gone or on the fringes of the squad, we have a clear goal deficit and the midfield isn't stepping up with enough goals given the amount of chances.
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We've just played two crap teams and lost. And why are we down in 13th place with the players we have. Have we really got the 13th best squad in the Premier league. I don't think so.
I think we can rant justifiably about Oliver and VAR; we have had some VAR decisions go our way but it doesn't make the one last night any better.
However, this is a relevant point. We have dominated the last two games against poor opposition and we have still managed to lose both with defensive frailties and a lack of finishing, and not solely from the forwards.
With Watkins not firing and the other main goal contributors from last season either gone or on the fringes of the squad, we have a clear goal deficit and the midfield isn't stepping up with enough goals given the amount of chances.
It is a concern, I feel despite a lot of good work we do getting into good positions, we don't work the opposition keeper nearly enough.
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Man Ure and us.
1. 1992-93- Fergie time against Wednesday. Denied us a title more or less.
2. Signing Yorke in 1998 when we were genuine title challengers.
3. Signing Bosnich in 1999 only to bin him soon after.
4. The 2002 FA Cup tie when we conceded three late goals to lose 2-3.
5. The 2010 League Cup final when we were cheated by corrupt officiating when Vidic was not sent off.
6. The 2-2 at Villa Park in 2010-11 when we again lost the lead late on after a terrific performance.
7. Them signing Young.
8. The home game in 2012-13 when we again lost a lead.
9. The away game in 2012-13, Van Persie hattrick.
10. Red nose pointing at his fucking watch on multiple occasions.
11. So many FA Cup third round games.
12. When we got relegated in 2016 it had to come at their place.
13. Tonight's corruption.
C**ts.
Somewhere between 4 and 5:
That last game of 2004/5 against them, in O'Leary's first season. We needed a point to finish 5th above Newcastle and get into the UEFA Cup. We should have had two penalties but of course didn't, and then had two goals disallowed, one for a Man U player running into one of his team mates and knocking him over with a Villa player nowhere near.
And also more recently, Fernandes fouling Konsa and John Moss giving a pen at VP when it was 0-0, and Pogba tripping himself up to win another pen and a 2-1 win - both VAR and referees not referred to the monitor.
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Copied from FA Cup game last night.. but I need this “rant thread”
My apologies to start with if I don’t know who I may upset. But what can we fans do about the situation with VAR & Manure. I sit as an old bloke season ticket holder in the Witton Lane and will be there Saturday. But I get so pxxxed off with Manure ( like many others ) lording it over VP.
I did notice the Villa away fans chant “ you are not fit to referee “ which was commented by BBC commentators .
Is it possible for The Holte End to start a chant about the injustice of obvious bias towards the Sky 6 favourites. Especially as it is Televised to the football fans sitting on their backsides somewhere in the world.
Perhaps this should go in “ rant” topics . Thanks for allowing me to get my rant over.
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Listened to the 1874 podcast the other day. I am so fed up of Greg Evans and his general negativity. I gave up listening in the summer when it was clear that he was foaming at the mouth to see Joe leave to the highest bidder.
This past week, with the signings of Coutinho and Digne, I have binged a lot of Villa content and thought I'd have a crack at 1874, love Bardell and the new presenter Holly is a refreshing voice.
I lasted 8 minutes before Evans reminded me of exactly why I stopped listening in the first place.
Speaking about the transfer of Coutinho, the conversation went something like this...
Bardell: Obviously a different player but would you say this is the closest we'll get to a Grealish replacement?
Evans: (sighs) How many more times are we going to say this? This is the fourth player they've brought in and so far none of it has worked.
I understand being rational, but this is negativity for the sake of it. Not only that, but you were desperate for him to leave. I get it, he's a baggies fan... But there's really no point in him being on a Villa podcast, or reporting on the club at all, when he's always got such a downer on Villa. How many of us would love to do his job? Where it seems to actively get under his skin to see us doing well?
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Listened to the 1874 podcast the other day. I am so fed up of Greg Evans and his general negativity. I gave up listening in the summer when it was clear that he was foaming at the mouth to see Joe leave to the highest bidder.
This past week, with the signings of Coutinho and Digne, I have binged a lot of Villa content and thought I'd have a crack at 1874, love Bardell and the new presenter Holly is a refreshing voice.
I lasted 8 minutes before Evans reminded me of exactly why I stopped listening in the first place.
Speaking about the transfer of Coutinho, the conversation went something like this...
Bardell: Obviously a different player but would you say this is the closest we'll get to a Grealish replacement?
Evans: (sighs) How many more times are we going to say this? This is the fourth player they've brought in and so far none of it has worked.
I understand being rational, but this is negativity for the sake of it. Not only that, but you were desperate for him to leave. I get it, he's a baggies fan... But there's really no point in him being on a Villa podcast, or reporting on the club at all, when he's always got such a downer on Villa. How many of us would love to do his job? Where it seems to actively get under his skin to see us doing well?
Agree about Bardell, he’s a great presenter, great Villa fan and always come across as a kind-hearted fella.
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Listened to the 1874 podcast the other day. I am so fed up of Greg Evans and his general negativity. I gave up listening in the summer when it was clear that he was foaming at the mouth to see Joe leave to the highest bidder.
This past week, with the signings of Coutinho and Digne, I have binged a lot of Villa content and thought I'd have a crack at 1874, love Bardell and the new presenter Holly is a refreshing voice.
I lasted 8 minutes before Evans reminded me of exactly why I stopped listening in the first place.
Speaking about the transfer of Coutinho, the conversation went something like this...
Bardell: Obviously a different player but would you say this is the closest we'll get to a Grealish replacement?
Evans: (sighs) How many more times are we going to say this? This is the fourth player they've brought in and so far none of it has worked.
I understand being rational, but this is negativity for the sake of it. Not only that, but you were desperate for him to leave. I get it, he's a baggies fan... But there's really no point in him being on a Villa podcast, or reporting on the club at all, when he's always got such a downer on Villa. How many of us would love to do his job? Where it seems to actively get under his skin to see us doing well?
Agree about Bardell, he’s a great presenter, great Villa fan and always come across as a kind-hearted fella.
Ditto.
To be honest, I thought Gregg Evans was actually a Tesco bags fan; he just covers Villa. If this is incorrect then somebody please let me know.
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Evans is an Albion chinless wonder
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Evans is an Albion chinless wonder
Would explain why he's quite often down on Villa and doesn't get het up over things that a fan would get het up over.
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I don't think it hurts having non-Villa fans reporting on us in the local press, you want someone to get to the bottom of issues when they crop up, not some cheerleader like Colin Tattum, who ends up on the clubs payroll after years of lickspittling.
But on the same token, don't put some swivel-eyed, stripey degenerate in the role for the opposite reasons. You'd think they'd have learned after putting that arsehole Baggie Bill in before.
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The Evans MO is that, whatever the fans think, he'll think the opposite. He's not especially against the club at all - in fact, he was quite the sycophant towards Dean even when we were nose-deep in the soup. Because fans, you see, are everything that's wrong with the game, and Villa fans doubly so (how dare we be upset when a player leaves, when the team loses, etc etc).
So now the mood is one of general optimism? How unsurprising that Evans suddenly turns on his heel from craven club suck-up to Nostrodumbass of doom. How unsurprising.
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Women’s cricket. It’s awful.
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F@ck!ng idiots coming on and posting shit on 2 dozen threads!
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Broken Witt Rebels gig cancelled at KK's Steel Mill tomorrow night.
Was looking forward to a Villa win followed up by a fine gig.
Should have been playing at 10 Downing Street. The show would have been on regardless.
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People.
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Where to start ? Fuck off the lot of them. So many twats stealing a living that most of us could only dream about. Do they understand...passion...pride... Do they fucking understand and aston villa football club and the supporters. Do they fuck the lame bunch of fuckin wilted daffodils. Kiddy harriers would have had more shots on target today than those weak souled badtards. No pride = no result.
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I hear you. I am seriously sick of it all. Why do we bother.
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I can't be arsed to rant - I'm more bored of the repetition of getting hopes dashed - I/we should know better.
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I hear you. I am seriously sick of it all. Why do we bother.
Why do we bother, listen to David Bradley on 140 years of Aston Villa, like many of us including yourself
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I hear you. I am seriously sick of it all. Why do we bother.
Why do we bother, listen to David Bradley on 140 years of Aston Villa, like many of us including yourself
I obviously know that. It's a rant thread for letting off steam and not being judged! It's a very lean period and depressing to see us go backwards after going so far in recent seasons.
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I hear you. I am seriously sick of it all. Why do we bother.
Why do we bother, listen to David Bradley on 140 years of Aston Villa, like many of us including yourself
I obviously know that. It's a rant thread for letting off steam and not being judged! It's a very lean period and depressing to see us go backwards after going so far in recent seasons.
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I hear you. I am seriously sick of it all. Why do we bother.
Why do we bother, listen to David Bradley on 140 years of Aston Villa, like many of us including yourself
I obviously know that. It's a rant thread for letting off steam and not being judged! It's a very lean period and depressing to see us go backwards after going so far in recent seasons.
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Where to start ? Fuck off the lot of them. So many twats stealing a living that most of us could only dream about. Do they understand...passion...pride... Do they fucking understand and aston villa football club and the supporters. Do they fuck the lame bunch of fuckin wilted daffodils. Kiddy harriers would have had more shots on target today than those weak souled badtards. No pride = no result.
That is a belter. Well said, mate.
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I hear you. I am seriously sick of it all. Why do we bother.
Why do we bother, listen to David Bradley on 140 years of Aston Villa, like many of us including yourself
He was there yesterday
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I hear you. I am seriously sick of it all. Why do we bother.
Why do we bother, listen to David Bradley on 140 years of Aston Villa, like many of us including yourself
He was there yesterday
Poor bastard
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I hear you. I am seriously sick of it all. Why do we bother.
Why do we bother, listen to David Bradley on 140 years of Aston Villa, like many of us including yourself
He was there yesterday
Poor bastard
Probably wished he still had a TARDIS.
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I was queuing behind someone in Tescos earlier. When it was his turn to be served he plonked the basket on the conveyor to empty it. Then he put his basket on to the stack but left both handles folded in so I couldn't put mine on there without moving them. I wanted to kill him. Is this normal?
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I was queuing behind someone in Tescos earlier. When it was his turn to be served he plonked the basket on the conveyor to empty it. Then he put his basket on to the stack but left both handles folded in so I couldn't put mine on there without moving them. I wanted to kill him. Is this normal?
Yes, absolutely. I often go past mere murder in such instances and fantasise over the methods.
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I was queuing behind someone in Tescos earlier. When it was his turn to be served he plonked the basket on the conveyor to empty it. Then he put his basket on to the stack but left both handles folded in so I couldn't put mine on there without moving them. I wanted to kill him. Is this normal?
Yes, absolutely. I often go past mere murder in such instances and fantasise over the methods.
Almost as bad as people who don't put the "next customer" separater thing on the conveyor belt.
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I was queuing behind someone in Tescos earlier. When it was his turn to be served he plonked the basket on the conveyor to empty it. Then he put his basket on to the stack but left both handles folded in so I couldn't put mine on there without moving them. I wanted to kill him. Is this normal?
Yes, absolutely. I often go past mere murder in such instances and fantasise over the methods.
Almost as bad as people who don't put the "next customer" separater thing on the conveyor belt.
The thing is, a few summary executions and it would stop. There's a lack of will to tackle the situation.
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I was queuing behind someone in Tescos earlier. When it was his turn to be served he plonked the basket on the conveyor to empty it. Then he put his basket on to the stack but left both handles folded in so I couldn't put mine on there without moving them. I wanted to kill him. Is this normal?
Yes, absolutely. I often go past mere murder in such instances and fantasise over the methods.
Almost as bad as people who don't put the "next customer" separater thing on the conveyor belt.
The thing is, a few summary executions and it would stop. There's a lack of will to tackle the situation.
and they decide to search for the credit card when paying, include the wife on that
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I was queuing behind someone in Tescos earlier. When it was his turn to be served he plonked the basket on the conveyor to empty it. Then he put his basket on to the stack but left both handles folded in so I couldn't put mine on there without moving them. I wanted to kill him. Is this normal?
Yes, absolutely. I often go past mere murder in such instances and fantasise over the methods.
Almost as bad as people who don't put the "next customer" separater thing on the conveyor belt.
Ha, my Wife often tells me off as when the person infront of us doesnt do that, I reach and get one myself, then I slam it down hard making as much noise as I can while loudly saying thank you.
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Can't believe so many people
a) shop in person at all
b) don't use self scan/checkout
This minimises contact with the general public as much as possible.
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I was queuing behind someone in Tescos earlier. When it was his turn to be served he plonked the basket on the conveyor to empty it. Then he put his basket on to the stack but left both handles folded in so I couldn't put mine on there without moving them. I wanted to kill him. Is this normal?
Yes, absolutely. I often go past mere murder in such instances and fantasise over the methods.
Almost as bad as people who don't put the "next customer" separater thing on the conveyor belt.
Ha, my Wife often tells me off as when the person infront of us doesnt do that, I reach and get one myself, then I slam it down hard making as much noise as I can while loudly saying thank you.
My wife thinks I'm nuts because I let bad shopping etiquette annoy me so much. Can I add to the list people who chat away on their mobile phone completely oblivious to their surroundings and even worse they don't even acknowledge the cashier. All of the above crimes deserve a prison sentence at the very least.
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None of it takes much effort:
Stack your empty basket neatly inside the one below, with the handles on each side.
When your last item is on the belt, place the next customer bar behind your shopping.
Have your debit card in your hand ready to pay, not in the bottom of your bag, inside a purse that has more zips and locks than a bondage night at Sexual Ealing's Mexican dungeon
Do try to remember your PIN first time, and not mutter "ooh, what it is it now?"
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It's all velcro down there now.
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It's all velcro down there now.
Typical of todays youth, bloody typical
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It's all velcro down there now.
Given the allegations from certain nameless posters that you are on the hirsuit side, aren't you playing with fire here?
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Adrian Chiles in a velcro gimp suit, think of that whilst you're having your tea.
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It's all velcro down there now.
Given the allegations from certain nameless posters that you are on the hirsuit side, aren't you playing with fire here?
I just take the money on the door and make sure that everyone's uncomfortable.
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Adrian Chiles in a velcro gimp suit, think of that whilst you're having your tea.
And you can fuck off too.
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David James . Tit.
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Car turning signals - use the f**king things, I'm not Professor X.
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Where are our leaders on the pitch, on paper we have great players but are any of them taking the game by the scruff of the neck?
Stop messing about on free kicks, we have one of the best players in the world at taking them just let him take every free kick. Make the keeper make a save for Gods sake.
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McGinn - stop fucking doing the same things and fucking it up every time - premiership footballers have sussed out your game totally revolves around your one average foot and a huge arse. If they stop them (as they invariably do) then you of no purpose whatsoever.
Comedic talisman....just fuck off
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Where are our leaders on the pitch, on paper we have great players but are any of them taking the game by the scruff of the neck?
Stop messing about on free kicks, we have one of the best players in the world at taking them just let him take every free kick. Make the keeper make a save for Gods sake.
and take the free kick and throw ins quickly instead of waiting for them to get every Tom Dick and Harry back to defend
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McPhee and the iPad can fuck off and all
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Why the fuck is every single player we've sent out on loan playing out of their skin while the muppets we've kept are to a man playing atrociously!
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Why the hell do our two full backs keep marking the wrong corner flags ?9
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I am annoyed that every time a team is need of a confidence boosting win, a player is in his his worst goal draught ever or a Manager needing that performance to change their fortunes, what do they pray for?
Lady Luck to intervene. Devine intervention? No they pray that the next game is fkin Aston Villa.
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David James - a tit again
SSN just now "...Aston Villa stayed up because of a goal line technology failure"
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David James - a tit again
SSN just now "...Aston Villa stayed up because of a goal line technology failure"
I wonder if the key bit here is SSN.
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David James - a tit again
SSN just now "...Aston Villa stayed up because of a goal line technology failure"
If that's our erstwhile GK I'd suggest he's chain toking the jazz cigarattes again.
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Something I'm seeing more of on Twitter i.e. that player X is top of Y stat for 'the other 14' as if the 'Big 6' are playing in a different league. You can p!ss right off with that type of stat!
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What really boils my piss is teams not playing in their usual strips even when there’s no clash of colours.
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What really boils my piss is teams not playing in their usual strips even when there’s no clash of colours.
I only recently discovered that this is to aid colour blindness accessibility.
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I didn’t know that but then England normally play in white and Switzerland in Red so why Blue for England and white for Swiss I wonder?
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Fuckin disgrace...total fuckin shite...Good job we have 36 points..fuckin shameful
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Austin McPhee, what the fuck are we paying this pointless muppet for?
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Austin McPhee, what the fuck are we paying this pointless muppet for?
could say that about any of the staff or players at the moment
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Austin McPhee, what the fuck are we paying this pointless muppet for?
could say that about any of the staff or players at the moment
True, massive changes needed
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