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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on December 18, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
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I am unbeaten in three on pre-match threads so thought I would keep going.
Which Villa will turn up that is the question?
With Barkley back and the side returned to normality and we play with pace and freedom, we win this game, it is that simple.
With Sam in charge, I think they will dig in and defend similar to Burnley and look to do us on the break. I still expect us to win this game - 2-1 - Barkley, Luiz.
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It pisses me off when clubs change managers just before we play them. Invariably it means the players try that little bit harder to impress the new gaffer.
Hopefully, no matter how hard they try, the fact they're fundamentally shit means we'll still give them a good stuffing.
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FTYYBs
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It pisses me off when clubs change managers just before we play them. Invariably it means the players try that little bit harder to impress the new gaffer.
Hopefully, no matter how hard they try, the fact they're fundamentally shit means we'll still give them a good stuffing.
thought they were trying their hardest against the Blue Mooners too be honest.
It'll be another game like last night I feel. Attractional with a little bit of Jack magic to take us three points closer to safety :-)
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This’ll be tough with bloody Allardyce in charge. Good to have Doug and Cash back. Hopefully Konsa will be too.
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Now we have registered that elusive draw another statistical probability is out of the way. We could draw again though I suppose.
I hope we don't, I hope we win. I hope we win because of the opposition, their simmering Blue Nose tribute band hatred of us, their Mickey Mouse main stand, bullshit football philosophy and interchangeable rivalry with us and Wolves depending on who is doing better than them. I hope we give them a hiding, a shellacking, a gubbing, a right good going over, a thrashing, whatever you want to call it.
But most of all I hope we beat them because they've just given a job to that fat moaning, anti football, corrupt, Wrens Nest wanker.
Three fuckin' nil to us.
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They'll do what a lot of teams do. Double/triple up on Grealish. Sit back and defend.
We will win this one.
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Is Barkley back for this one?
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If Barkley is back then AEG has done enough to stay in the team but would have to shift to the right of a 3 with Barkley and Jack. Might suit Watkins to have more of an orthodox? winger on one side pinging his quick crosses as opposed to Traore coming inside always.
Luiz and Cash will come back in for Nakamba and Elmo. Konsa if fit obviously would too.
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Luiz and Cash will definitely be back, and hopefully Konsa and Barkley will too, although this being Villa, Barkley probably won't play again until March.
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Win, don't get injured, don't get suspended.
Easy.
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As long as it's a good clean game and enjoyable for the neutral, that's all I ask for. May the best team win.
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I'm expecting FEMSAWBA or former England Manager Sam Allardyce's West Bromwich Albion to play 5-4-1 and try to nick a dead ball position so he can put Sammy Lee's dead ball plans in to action. Also expect tough tackling as "the lads get stuck in and battle it out" and them holding out for a point.
West Brom nil would be great.
UTV
The Doc
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Hope we are back to something like full strength
would have been more difficult with a full house and the new manager bounce
but 3 points for us . 2-0
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2-0
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2-1 Villa win
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2-1 Villa win
I hope you're right Darren.
I'm going for a 1-1 draw.
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Barkley back and we win 3-0. Otherwise, another draw.
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It pisses me off when clubs change managers just before we play them. Invariably it means the players try that little bit harder to impress the new gaffer.
Hopefully, no matter how hard they try, the fact they're fundamentally shit means we'll still give them a good stuffing.
I'd love to know if there is a stat, but it feels like we have the most matches against newly appointed managers record.
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We shall destroy them.
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As long as we destroy them and pick up 3 points I'll be happy.
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One of these days we are going to give someone a drubbing away from home.
Get your shooting boots boys on and bury these mutha...rs
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As long as it's a good clean game and enjoyable for the neutral, that's all I ask for. May the best team win.
You've been at the sherry haven't you?
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Hope for a win 2-0 Villa, got a feeling it will be tight and 1-1 draw
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Head says Albion will have the new manager bounce. Heart says we are the better team and Fat Sam hasn't had much time to prepare his new team. I am predicting a 1-1 draw.
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This’ll be tough with bloody Allardyce in charge. Good to have Doug and Cash back. Hopefully Konsa will be too.
Why will it be? He’ll have been in the job a couple of days. They don’t have our quality to bridge the gap in that time. Now can I see them being much more disciplined next time we play them? Yes.
If we create as many chances as we did last night we will smash them as there’s no way what happened last night will repeat itself in a 0-0 score line.
I’ll go 3-1 us - Watkins, AEG and Jack
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The new manager bounce has as much grounding in reality as the manager of the month curse.
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Hope we are back to something like full strength
would have been more difficult with a full house and the new manager bounce
but 3 points for us . 2-0
What all 26000 of them - fucking upstarts you just watch one of them clonk jack or anyone else that has a bit of flair
Although disappointed last nights efforts did not see us get 3 pts it was not for the want of trying - only poor finishing
No excuses for these fuckers - we need to fuck em, and fuck em hard
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The new manager bounce has as much grounding in reality as the manager of the month curse.
Ask Forest and Sheff Wednesday fans how they are feeling about the new manager bounce right now.
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The new manager bounce has as much grounding in reality as the manager of the month curse.
I’m pretty sure we went on a run of beating teams when their new manager was in charge for the first game, mainly in the championship. We beat Boro in Pulis’s first game and Sunderland in Coleman’s but I think there may have been one or two other examples too.
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With players returning I can only see a dominant performance and a win
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A 3-1 win against the stripy filth cloggers.
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3-0 to us maybe more
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We should always be happy to play a team with a new manager.
Most of the time a club has just got a new manager because they are on a bad run of results/ punching above the their weight in a division they shouldn't really be in/ got a whining moany fickle fanbase who think they should be doing better than they are/ are a badly run club with owners who make kneejerk panic reactions as they never have any strategic thinking/ can't hit a barn door from five yards/ leak goals at the back faster than the Titanic takes in water/ are generally just shit.
It can be just one of the above that gets the previous incumbent sacked or in the case of Sandwell we have always kicked the shit out the opposition Strollers FC a combination of all of these.
Sandwell 0 Villa 4.
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I think this game may be easier than in usual circumstances as they won’t have a crowd of simpletons who are hyped up for their cup final to cheer them on.
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I’d say we were a nailed on win with Bilic still there.
I would think Fat Sam will have one tactic, which will be to kick Jack to shreds.
If by some miracle, they try to play football, we'll batter them into next week.
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Biggest derby for me, with lots more baggies mates than bluenoses, comes from going to school over Bearwood way in the 80s.
If we have everyone back fit, I hope and think (sort of) we’ll do these 3-0 (Watkins 2 and Grealish)
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Can't believe we haven't won there since September 2008. 8 visits I think.
Would be hugely disappointed if that dosen't end on Sunday, think we'll win 2-0.
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Biggest derby for me,
100%. This lot have won stuff unlike that tin pot shower down the Coventry Road.
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They haven’t won anything important in my lifetime.
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They haven't won a significant trophy since 1968, that's a drought one year longer than Newcastle.
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Every other West or East Midlands club that you would expect to be in the top two tiers has won at least one trophy since Albion last did.
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It'll be a Big Sam Media Wankfest. I think he's lost his marbles.
4-1 us.
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The first time I went to The Hawthorns I would have been about thirteen and we won a Milk Cup tie 2-1. Mark Walters put us one up, Cyrille Regis equalised, Clive Thomas sent Gary Owen off and Dennis Mortimer scored the winner quite late on. It was a great atmosphere to be fair.
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Smith will know exactly how BFS will set them up, it is Burnley mark 2.
Of course they will kick lumps out of Jack.
If we don’t allow them any easy opportunities, ie free kicks and corners we will be fine.
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My first experience of that dump was us winning 2-0 in the old second division under SGT. I seem to remember waspish Warren Aspinall latching onto a really bad back pass by George Reilly.
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And this was my favourite ever away day there.
https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk
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And this was my favourite ever away day there.
https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk
Sid’s ball. Still amazing.
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And while I’m on the subject.
'Five-foot eight, not much weight, Alex Cropley's fucking great, la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la.'
Fucking Ally Brown.
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And this was my favourite ever away day there.
https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk
Always good to see a freshly ploughed pitch.
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My favourite kit by several lightyears.
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And this was my favourite ever away day there.
https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk
That was a great day, 2 nil to us then and 2 nil to us on Sunday, Ollie and Jack.
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Won’t happen but I would love to see Louie Bazza on the bench for Sunday. Scored again for the U23’s.
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You never know with 9 places now on the bench
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FFSATBCLMYYT! 1-3
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My first experience of that dump was us winning 2-0 in the old second division under SGT. I seem to remember waspish Warren Aspinall latching onto a really bad back pass by George Reilly.
My first was a 0-1 defeat in the mid 80s, Martin Bennett scores for them. But I was at that game when Aspinall scored both in the 2-0 win, BFR was back in charge there. Midweek night, I was 13 and with some mates I walked back to Hockley down the Soho Road at 10pm, not sure my kids would be allowed to do that now 😂
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Just watching that bit on you tube of the cup game - I was in the brummie road end for that game along with quite a few Villa - happy days😃
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Won’t happen but I would love to see Louie Bazza on the bench for Sunday. Scored again for the U23’s.
That really would upset them...
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Biggest derby for me, with lots more baggies mates than bluenoses, comes from going to school over Bearwood way in the 80s.
If we have everyone back fit, I hope and think (sort of) we’ll do these 3-0 (Watkins 2 and Grealish)
Same for me. Bigger than SHA game for me
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Just watching that bit on you tube of the cup game - I was in the brummie road end for that game along with quite a few Villa - happy days😃
I was there but luckily in the Smethwick End. A woman phoned the radio saying that Jed Steer should be charged with child abuse! ;D
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And this was my favourite ever away day there.
https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk
When people describe players as quick, look at that acceleration from Tony Daley, now that is quick.
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Got to do the damage in the first 60 minutes. There’s a danger we’ll start to tire after then.
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Got to do the damage in the first 60 minutes. There’s a danger we’ll start to tire after then.
Why?
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And this was my favourite ever away day there.
https://youtu.be/Hgx16QCS8Mk
When people describe players as quick, look at that acceleration from Tony Daley, now that is quick.
I was there that day and remember it being an early/lunchtime kick off. I also vividly remember Tony Daley's run and goal. I did however have to Google who scored out other goal. I had totally forgotten it was 'Mounty'.
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I think he meant 62 minutes.
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Just confused as to where the logic comes from that we tire first.
We attacked relentlessly against Burnley up until the last.
We were the side attacking in the 90th minute against the Dingles.
We were the side chucking the kitchen sink at West Ham and well into the 90th.
We were the side denied a penalty against Brighton in the last minutes.
We were the side that scored 2 goals after the 90th minute against Southampton.
We were the side that scored in the 90th minute against Leicester.
We were the side that battered Liverpool all the live long day.
So my question is, with the highly likely occurrence of us dominating the ball against Jurassic Sandwell, why are we likely to tire after an hour? What is it that has been seen to lead to such a conclusion?
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Not that I agree with it but I can only assume the logic is we only played on Thursday night with them having a couple of days extra rest.
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The team will be freshened and we've only played 11 games.
Cash, Konsa, Dougie and Barkley coming in. That's an injection of real quality too.
My team;
Martinez
Targett
Mings
Konsa
Cash
Dougie
McGinn
Barkley
Grealish
Watkins
AEG
Lets put a score on these rags and proper fuck the Albion.
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A win will ease the frustration from the Burnley game. I reckon a champions league place will be up for grabs if we can keep in touch.
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Got to do the damage in the first 60 minutes. There’s a danger we’ll start to tire after then.
Why?
John Terry told the world that we tire after 60 minutes under MON, a decade on and his wisdom lives on.
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Except we have won by a couple of late goals this season
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We're one of the fittest teams in the league this year. Other teams are tiring playing us and we've taken advantage with a couple of late winners and seen some contentious decisions go against us.
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Didn’t Hassenhutl say his players were knackered playing us or did I imagine that?
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Not that I agree with it but I can only assume the logic is we only played on Thursday night with them having a couple of days extra rest.
If you are really shit at something then resting doesn't help. When you return to performing whatever the task is you will not have miraculously improved, you will most likely as not still be shit.
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Its a winnable, should win game...…...but hang on, its the Villa
I got it wrong against Burnley but I will go for the same scoreline …. 2-1 to the Baggies
Nothing scientific in my thinking, just years experience of hope, expectation and ultimate disappointment
Prove me wrong Villa
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Again, the first goal is going to be important, get that and we win.
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Again, the first goal is going to be important, get that and we win.
I don't think that has to be the case. Albion have shown plenty of times to throw games away having taken the lead. Now I'll concede we've not come back to win either, but that's got to change at some point. I think they will score but they're not suddenly going to stop being the shit defence after a couple of days of Allardyce. I think some are putting way too much stock in this mythical new manager bounce.
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Again, the first goal is going to be important, get that and we win.
I don't think that has to be the case. Albion have shown plenty of times to throw games away having taken the lead. Now I'll concede we've not come back to win either, but that's got to change at some point. I think they will score but they're not suddenly going to stop being the shit defence after a couple of days of Allardyce. I think some are putting way too much stock in this mythical new manager bounce.
What I’d add though is that Fat Sam will introduce his style of game management very quickly. They’ll soon be like Watford were last season. If they go a goal up, expect them to take forever on throw ins and goal kicks etc.
It sounds obvious, but at least if we’re ahead, it should help the game to keep moving rather than being disrupted all the time.
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We have the 3rd best defence in the league and the most clean sheets.
I'll be most disappointed if these Jurassic football playing, Lee jeans with tucked in replica shirts and black shoes wearing, scrap iron tatting, stripey fucking inbreds score a goal.
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Doubt they'll be winning any 'moral victories' this time. We'll have to be on our game at defending set plays to prevent them from claiming any other kind.
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What I fully expect is an all out assault on Jack. It wouldn’t surprise me if Allardyce launches grenades into that part of the pitch wherever Jack is standing. Put me down for a fiver on one the bitters being stupid and getting a red.
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Didn’t Hassenhutl say his players were knackered playing us or did I imagine that?
I knew someone had said it but couldn't remember who so didn't mention it specifically.
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This is my Derby. I hate them. Everything about them.
Most old school Olbyun hate us with a passion bordering on obsession. The more recent hatred they have for Wolves only happened because they were both down in the shit leagues for a few years and we didn't play them. Make no mistake, they hate us.
I hope we hammer them, the dirty Tesco carrier bag wearing, Wrens nest scummer employing, Lord Is My Shepherd singing, boing boinging Stripey filth !!!!
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Time to get down off that fence, BCV. ;)
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Time to get down off that fence, BCV. ;)
Yes so you want to beat them abit ?🤔😃
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This is my Derby. I hate them. Everything about them.
Most old school Olbyun hate us with a passion bordering on obsession. The more recent hatred they have for Wolves only happened because they were both down in the shit leagues for a few years and we didn't play them. Make no mistake, they hate us.
I hope we hammer them, the dirty Tesco carrier bag wearing, Wrens nest scummer employing, Lord Is My Shepherd singing, boing boinging Stripey filth !!!!
The house that backs onto ours (technically their field at least) is called Wrens Nest and they have a gardener (yeah I know) that comes every Friday and loves a fire. I think he even brings material from other jobs he has although I haven’t proved that yet. My missus - who likes to try and dry washing outside whenever possible - hates them with a passion. I don’t know if they’re Albion but I run past their place in my Villa shorts and haven’t been slide tackled yet
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This is my Derby. I hate them. Everything about them.
Most old school Olbyun hate us with a passion bordering on obsession. The more recent hatred they have for Wolves only happened because they were both down in the shit leagues for a few years and we didn't play them. Make no mistake, they hate us.
I hope we hammer them, the dirty Tesco carrier bag wearing, Wrens nest scummer employing, Lord Is My Shepherd singing, boing boinging Stripey filth !!!!
Hear hear, fuck the Albion.
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Just watched the penalties again. Jed Steer psyching out Holgate is just absolute quality.
Also Ally Brown. So fuck em.
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Wouldn't be arsed about them if it wasn't for c*** Ally Brown. FTAWAPS.
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This is my Derby. I hate them. Everything about them.
Most old school Olbyun hate us with a passion bordering on obsession. The more recent hatred they have for Wolves only happened because they were both down in the shit leagues for a few years and we didn't play them. Make no mistake, they hate us.
I hope we hammer them, the dirty Tesco carrier bag wearing, Wrens nest scummer employing, Lord Is My Shepherd singing, boing boinging Stripey filth !!!!
This, this is all true. We simply have to beat these and preferably bear them comprehensively.
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Despise them , always have, always will. Please lads, despatch with aplomb tomorrow night. FTA. UTV.
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Fuck the Albion
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Got a good feel about this - they'll try hard for 20 mins but the quality will tell - I think it will be pretty comfortable, our away form has been excellent and I don't see that changing tomorrow
3-0 to the Villa
UTV
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I hope it's an open, exciting game that's a great advert for West Midlands football. It would be nice to see both teams doing well.
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Despise them , always have, always will. Please lads, despatch with aplomb tomorrow night. FTA. UTV.
Aplomb is the word of the week.
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I hope it's an open, exciting game that's a great advert for West Midlands football. It would be nice to see both teams doing well.
Are you ok?
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I hope it's an open, exciting game that's a great advert for West Midlands football. It would be nice to see both teams doing well.
Are you ok?
Why shouldn't I be? The Albion are a proper, traditional club and they've always played football the right way. It's good to see them in the top flight.
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Love the thread title as I'll be flying to Brasil within 9 hours of the final whistle. FTA.
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I hope we slaughter them and they lose a couple of key players for 3 matches for getting sent off.
Hate their whole mentality and attempting to suck their own pathetic cocks.
Fuck the Albion.
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Love the thread title as I'll be flying to Brasil within 9 hours of the final whistle. FTA.
We have a new Brazilian Villan!
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Love the thread title as I'll be flying to Brasil within 9 hours of the final whistle. FTA.
We have a new Brazilian Villan!
You all keep your weird waxing fetish club to yourselves! This is a family forum! 😜
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I hope it's an open, exciting game that's a great advert for West Midlands football. It would be nice to see both teams doing well.
Are you ok?
Why shouldn't I be? The Albion are a proper, traditional club and they've always played football the right way. It's good to see them in the top flight.
Dave, someone's hacked your account.
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Today I'm really going to miss swearing loudly in public.
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Pereira is suspended.
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Today I'm really going to miss swearing loudly in public.
You’ll have to settle for swearing loudly in the privacy of your own home.
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OK no messing about Villa boys. You are far far better than the pile of shit you are up against tonight who are being "coached" by a wide boy gambler. Make no mistakes and send them to an ignominious defeat. I expect nothing less.
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Come on Deano, FUCK THE ALBION !
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I know about the Citeh game at the start of the season - but why have we played so few games?
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FTA
FTA
FTA
FTA
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I know about the Citeh game at the start of the season - but why have we played so few games?
Newcastle was postponed
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We played and won our last Midlands derby against a team significantly better, who had players significantly better and a manager who is significantly better and had been at the club for a lot longer. I fully expect us to win today with some of our better players also returning. Sam Allardyce will do what he can in a short period of time to stop us playing. But once we score, and we will, they will open up and we will score again an secure the victory. They will be more disciplined overall and over the coming weeks improve. Today will be way too soon for all of that to come together.
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I know about the Citeh game at the start of the season - but why have we played so few games?
Newcastle was postponed
Of course! Forgot about that.
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I thought Big Sam was called that because he was portly. Someone told me he is also 6 foot 2.
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Close to 6'3", so says tinternet.
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He’s a big bloke with a big personality. And is open to accepting big brown envelopes for his services.
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Mate just informed me the games on BT when I thought it was on Amazon. Doh!
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Love the thread title as I'll be flying to Brasil within 9 hours of the final whistle. FTA.
We have a new Brazilian Villan!
I think most would agree that one is more than enough*.
*and probably one too many.
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Love the thread title as I'll be flying to Brasil within 9 hours of the final whistle. FTA.
Very jealous, where to? NYE in Rio?
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The team will be freshened and we've only played 11 games.
Cash, Konsa, Dougie and Barkley coming in. That's an injection of real quality too.
My team;
Martinez
Targett
Mings
Konsa
Cash
Dougie
McGinn
Barkley
Grealish
Watkins
AEG
Lets put a score on these rags and proper fuck the Albion.
Quite so.
We will give them a good doings and leave Fat Sam grimacing like a fox that just eaten shite off a wire brush.
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Now we have registered that elusive draw another statistical probability is out of the way. We could draw again though I suppose.
I hope we don't, I hope we win. I hope we win because of the opposition, their simmering Blue Nose tribute band hatred of us, their Mickey Mouse main stand, bullshit football philosophy and interchangeable rivalry with us and Wolves depending on who is doing better than them. I hope we give them a hiding, a shellacking, a gubbing, a right good going over, a thrashing, whatever you want to call it.
But most of all I hope we beat them because they've just given a job to that fat moaning, anti football, corrupt, Wrens Nest wanker.
Three fuckin' nil to us.
Wren’s nest ...?
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Now we have registered that elusive draw another statistical probability is out of the way. We could draw again though I suppose.
I hope we don't, I hope we win. I hope we win because of the opposition, their simmering Blue Nose tribute band hatred of us, their Mickey Mouse main stand, bullshit football philosophy and interchangeable rivalry with us and Wolves depending on who is doing better than them. I hope we give them a hiding, a shellacking, a gubbing, a right good going over, a thrashing, whatever you want to call it.
But most of all I hope we beat them because they've just given a job to that fat moaning, anti football, corrupt, Wrens Nest wanker.
Three fuckin' nil to us.
Wren’s nest ...?
It's an estate in Dudley
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Now we have registered that elusive draw another statistical probability is out of the way. We could draw again though I suppose.
I hope we don't, I hope we win. I hope we win because of the opposition, their simmering Blue Nose tribute band hatred of us, their Mickey Mouse main stand, bullshit football philosophy and interchangeable rivalry with us and Wolves depending on who is doing better than them. I hope we give them a hiding, a shellacking, a gubbing, a right good going over, a thrashing, whatever you want to call it.
But most of all I hope we beat them because they've just given a job to that fat moaning, anti football, corrupt, Wrens Nest wanker.
Three fuckin' nil to us.
Wren’s nest ...?
I believe it's where Fat Sam hails from originally - it's a housing estate in Dudley.
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Yeah down the road from where my mom and dad live
I'm also sure he's a wolves fan too
So he could be just an under cover agent !
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Yeah down the road from where my mom and dad live
I'm also sure he's a wolves fan too
So he could be just an under cover agent !
Great name, mate. That left boot was one of the best things, if not the best thing, of my entire adolescence.
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The Wrenner is about a mile up the road from me. Proper rough.
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No Barkley or Konsa. Sad face.
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Yeah down the road from where my mom and dad live
I'm also sure he's a wolves fan too
So he could be just an under cover agent !
Great name, mate. That left boot was one of the best things, if not the best thing, of my entire adolescence.
I know mate and what a boot it was ,sent me home from villa park happy more than once