Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on June 26, 2020, 09:36:18 AM
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We have released 16 players.
Included are:
O’Hare
Doyle-Hayes
Chester
Green
Hepburn-Murphy
Baston.
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Farewell Borja Baston, we barely knew thee.
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Baston was in the squad on Wed - we will never know if any good
Chester - good servant but time to go
Green - Has all the physical attributes but not the application or desire - never going to make it at even Championship level
Doyle Hayes - thought he was well thought of - but obviously not enough for this level - shame but that is football
O'Hare & RHM - really surprised especially if we go down they could have been 2 home grown players to have led the journey back once all the big time Charlies had fecked off.
Seems that we don't have any promising youngsters to come through other than Vassilev and Archer
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Hepburn-Murphy is unexpected.
Green not so much, so much talent but he never looked liked he was going to push on and be a regular.
Did Baston ever actually get on the pitch?
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Best for all of the above to move on. Plenty of players have proved Villa wrong over the years and some of these may do again.
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Sad about O'Hare and the Russian. Held out hopes for them to come good with us.
Also, I wonder if Chester could still be doing a job for us now.
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Hepburn-Murphy is unexpected.
Green not so much, so much talent but he never looked liked he was going to push on and be a regular.
Did Baston ever actually get on the pitch?
Bastons lasting contribution was going for the same header as Luiz in the build up to Spurs winner
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Seems that we don't have any promising youngsters to come through other than Vassilev and Archer
Depends which age group you’re applying that to, but Jacob and Aaron Ramsey, Mungo Bridge and Louie Barry all have some potential.
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O'Hare is the big surprise for me.
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O'Hare is the big surprise for me.
I thought he did't want to renew his contract?
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Sad about O'Hare and the Russian. Held out hopes for them to come good with us.
Also, I wonder if Chester could still be doing a job for us now.
We will obviously never know how much, if any, difference it would have made but they really should have been out on loan much earlier. Wasted too many years in the Under 23s/on the fringes of the first team squad.
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O'Hare is the big surprise for me.
22 years old with what 4 appearances??
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O'Hare is the big surprise for me.
22 years old with what 4 appearances??
If the worst happened I thought he could be useful
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Hope he does well but in reality he has done ok once he got in the Coventry team but they only played 3/4 of the season in league one and didn’t have to play any of the pressure games to get promoted.
Coaches will know enough about his ability & character to make a reasoned judgement.
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Have we been paying McCormack for this season?
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Sad about O'Hare and the Russian. Held out hopes for them to come good with us.
Also, I wonder if Chester could still be doing a job for us now.
We will obviously never know how much, if any, difference it would have made but they really should have been out on loan much earlier. Wasted too many years in the Under 23s/on the fringes of the first team squad.
It may be that the player himself doesn't want to come back and play reserve football and wait for a chance, when he will have interest given his performances and the fact he's on a free.
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Have we been paying McCormack for this season?
There was a settlement after we got promoted so he probably got a fair chunk of the last year of his contract, which no doubt included a promotion bonus.
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We've new people in charge of the academy now haven't we? I'd suspect they're of the opinion we need newer, fresher blood and the signing of someone like Barry suggests we're heading the right way.
I'm surprised about O'Hare from what I've read about him, but not so much the rest.
Good luck to them though, especially Chester who was a good leader for us. I guess he really must be shot. Perhaps he'll become part of the coaching team.
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We will obviously never know how much, if any, difference it would have made but they really should have been out on loan much earlier. Wasted too many years in the Under 23s/on the fringes of the first team squad.
It may be that the player himself doesn't want to come back and play reserve football and wait for a chance, when he will have interest given his performances and the fact he's on a free.
Oh, I would agree that it’s much better for him to go somewhere and play regularly. Would assume that he thinks that.
I was just saying that, in my opinion, it would have been better for his development to have been out on loan at 18/19 as opposed to 21/22.
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We will obviously never know how much, if any, difference it would have made but they really should have been out on loan much earlier. Wasted too many years in the Under 23s/on the fringes of the first team squad.
It may be that the player himself doesn't want to come back and play reserve football and wait for a chance, when he will have interest given his performances and the fact he's on a free.
Oh, I would agree that it’s much better for him to go somewhere and play regularly. Would assume that he thinks that.
I was just saying that, in my opinion, it would have been better for his development to have been out on loan at 18/19 as opposed to 21/22.
Yes sorry Luke, I agree and was replying with half an eye on other posts.
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I don't think we're going to miss any of them.
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And I'll add O'Hare going is terrible.
I think if we stop up fair enough to streamline but i feel this news isn't accurate no?
And that contracts need extended for at least a period till season ends and this list is out of date to circumstances
I'm actually not having that these players have all been released till villa know which division they are playing in
It's rubbish why release now?
I don't think it's all true personally
As have to wait to see where Villa are .
I can definitely see that some may have been released or will be buy this 16 players announcement is some sort of fake news !
I've some bad news for you...
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And actually this is all misleading as all the players that are out of contract can actually resign with Villa.
It's just the technical terms of players being 'free' and out of contract.
I suspect some will be staying on actually and especially more so if Villa get relegated .
I have worked out exactly the situation and scenario so I myself can feel a bit less annoyed at Villa attempting to release excellent young talent willy nilly.
We'll find that this release of players isn't as straightforward as all being shown the door and it's just an example of news sources putting out scaremongering and agenda tactics to keep us talking and reading
I think we'll truly see those who are released and those who are staying once Aston Villa football club season's end and once Aston Villa decide.
Up the villa.
I think it means they will not be offered a new contract when their current one expires shortly.
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I read about O'Hare and J D-H a couple of days' ago.
It isn't a great shock really: COH didn't want to stay, RH-M has been hardly sparkling on loan, JD-H was unable to win promotion with Cheltenham Town, Baston was always a short-term signing and Chester had already been discarded to Stoke (despite us having a porous first-team defence). I think - of all of them - Green is most surprising; Smith obviously does not seen him as a work-in-progress for Villa.
And, as someone else says: Ramsey x 2, Archer, Vassilev, Bridge, Barry ... and others: they the ones the club appears to be investing in.
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The club know that they've been keeping young players around for longer than we should be doing. This looks like a clearing of the ways ready for the younger batch to come through and be given the honing that we're going to be looking be doing going forward.
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Vassilev is Smith's preferred choice of the crop.
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Released lists had to be submitted to leagues on or before 23rd June.
We can approach any of those players to sign a contract if we wish but so can any other clubs
Would imagine the majority have known for weeks / months that they weren’t getting a new deal ie RHM spending end of season as part of Derby u23s squad as a trial would guess. O’Hare / Green / Chester & Sarkic will find new clubs no doubt
Baston leaving will hopefully open a bench a lot for one of the younger players
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And actually this is all misleading as all the players that are out of contract can actually resign with Villa.
It's just the technical terms of players being 'free' and out of contract.
I suspect some will be staying on actually and especially more so if Villa get relegated .
I have worked out exactly the situation and scenario so I myself can feel a bit less annoyed at Villa attempting to release excellent young talent willy nilly.
We'll find that this release of players isn't as straightforward as all being shown the door and it's just an example of news sources putting out scaremongering and agenda tactics to keep us talking and reading
I think we'll truly see those who are released and those who are staying once Aston Villa football club season's end and once Aston Villa decide.
Up the villa.
They're all going.
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RHM is the big disappointment for me. He looked the real deal a while back.
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RHM is the big disappointment for me. He looked the real deal a while back.
Him and Chester. We might need him next season if we get relegated, which is very likely.
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Has Sarkic gone? - surprised by that.
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RHM is the big disappointment for me. He looked the real deal a while back.
See also Moore S and even more so Moore L. Just goes to show some are cut out for it and others aren't.
I can't think of many if any players we've let go in this way that have gone on to better things.
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I agree Drummond. What grieves me is that we have players that look like world beaters but we allow them to simply become asset write offs. If you have a horse and you see the signs of it not training on you sell it. You don't let everybody else know what you know. Villa always seems to be full of get-rid negotiators.
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Baston was in the squad on Wed - we will never know if any good
Chester - good servant but time to go
Green - Has all the physical attributes but not the application or desire - never going to make it at even Championship level
Doyle Hayes - thought he was well thought of - but obviously not enough for this level - shame but that is football
O'Hare & RHM - really surprised especially if we go down they could have been 2 home grown players to have led the journey back once all the big time Charlies had fecked off.
Seems that we don't have any promising youngsters to come through other than Vassilev and Archer
Jacob Ramsey looking good. We've for once put him out on loan really early and he started really well at Doncaster so that's very promising for me as league one has plenty of good teams in it.
Think we'll also see Louie Barry play a few cup games next season and take things from there.
No surprise on any of the releases. If Hepburn Murphy still had a chance of making it here we'd have sent him to Derby's first team for a long spell, not their under 23s.
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Sad about O'Hare and the Russian. Held out hopes for them to come good with us.
Also, I wonder if Chester could still be doing a job for us now.
We will obviously never know how much, if any, difference it would have made but they really should have been out on loan much earlier. Wasted too many years in the Under 23s/on the fringes of the first team squad.
It may be that the player himself doesn't want to come back and play reserve football and wait for a chance, when he will have interest given his performances and the fact he's on a free.
It makes sense for him to move on now. He's a key player at Coventry who are likely to be in the same division as us next season. So he'll probably play 30-40 games for them next season whereas here they'd still be doubt if he'd even start games even in the championship. Just keeping him to start him in league cup games won't kick him on as a player.
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We've new people in charge of the academy now haven't we? I'd suspect they're of the opinion we need newer, fresher blood and the signing of someone like Barry suggests we're heading the right way.
I'm surprised about O'Hare from what I've read about him, but not so much the rest.
Good luck to them though, especially Chester who was a good leader for us. I guess he really must be shot. Perhaps he'll become part of the coaching team.
He's started pretty much every game for Stoke since he went there so guess they want to sign him full time. I agree a good servant. Shame his knee went last year as him and Mings could've been a nice combination (given how well he played with Terry the previous year) and would've saved us spending endless money on CBs last summer.
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Have we been paying McCormack for this season?
There was a settlement after we got promoted so he probably got a fair chunk of the last year of his contract, which no doubt included a promotion bonus.
I am pretty sure I read somewhere that McCormack did get a promotion bonus as part of his contract. I am a little surprised we let Hepburn-Murphy go. O'Hare looked good in the pre season games I saw him play in the summer before our promotion campaign but he clearly didn't kick on from there.
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Best wishes to all of them, in particular Chester. Helped turn us around from laughing stock that always lost to a team looking upwards again. Played while injured for the cause, too.
Also Green, always gave his all and it is entirely possible that we would never have been promoted had it not been for the mad run we went on after his equaliser against Sheffield United.
Obviously, usual caveats apply. I will struggle to wish any of them luck if they end up somewhere horrible.
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I think the one we'll regret most is O'Hare. It will be interesting to see how he does next season in the Championship. He may turn out to be shit, by my guess is he'll be the next one we talkabout as 'the one that got away.'
I had high hopes for Green a couple of years ago, but he couldn't stay fit and get a consistent run. I do wonder if he'd had as much opporunity as Trez whether he may have shown something for us.
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Best wishes to all of them, in particular Chester. Helped turn us around from laughing stock that always lost to a team looking upwards again. Played while injured for the cause, too.
Also Green, always gave his all and it is entirely possible that we would never have been promoted had it not been for the mad run we went on after his equaliser against Sheffield United.
Obviously, usual caveats apply. I will struggle to wish any of them luck if they end up somewhere horrible.
Echo all that.
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I think the one we'll regret most is O'Hare. It will be interesting to see how he does next season in the Championship. He may turn out to be shit, by my guess is he'll be the next one we talk about as 'the one that got away.'
I had high hopes for Green a couple of years ago, but he couldn't stay fit and get a consistent run. I do wonder if he'd had as much opportunity as Trez whether he may have shown something for us.
Agree about both COH and Green, particularly if we are once again back in the Championship.
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I see so much of Luke Moore's story in Andre Green. Such a talented player in there somewhere but nobody has found a way to coax it out of them and have them really believing in themselves. Luke Moore did at least have an outstanding 6 months or so in the Premier League sadly Green has managed even less.
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We discussed Andre at some length. Many of us suspect that he really wanted to be a central striker not a wide player. Always wanting to get goal side of a wide defender made him very easy for defenders to read. If he is to make the grade to his full potential he needs to be played as an out and out striker. IMO.
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I loved him for his equaliser in the 3-3 vs Sheffield United last season. You could clearly see it meant so much to him.
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That was a great header as well.
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First got a good look at Andre three years ago in a pre season at Cambridge United. Front three of Andre, Jack and RHM I don't think Cam U got a kick of the ball in the second half. I thought those three were going to be our crown jewels.
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If James Chester is back to fitness, I'd hope we offer him another contract, for perhaps a year, if we do go down. He's not quite good enough for the Premier Division but for the Championship, he'd be great.
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I see so much of Luke Moore's story in Andre Green. Such a talented player in there somewhere but nobody has found a way to coax it out of them and have them really believing in themselves. Luke Moore did at least have an outstanding 6 months or so in the Premier League sadly Green has managed even less.
Luke Moore only turned 34 in February. Honestly haven't heard of his name in years, I presume he's retired from football now.
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I see so much of Luke Moore's story in Andre Green. Such a talented player in there somewhere but nobody has found a way to coax it out of them and have them really believing in themselves. Luke Moore did at least have an outstanding 6 months or so in the Premier League sadly Green has managed even less.
Luke Moore only turned 34 in February. Honestly haven't heard of his name in years, I presume he's retired from football now.
He retired four years ago. What a waste.
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Yeah, I've no idea how Luke let it all slip away from him. Seemed to fall out of love with the game.
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Farewell Borja Baston, we barely knew thee.
Borja? Gone?
Where will it end? Parting is such sweet sorrow.
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Has Sarkic gone? - surprised by that.
He had his contract temporarily extended to see us through to the end of the season. Then he’s being released. And as for Vill I An I’m not in the habit of deliberately posting fake news even if it is from the Meaning Evil.
The bar at the academy has been raised. And not before time. I liked how we controlled the message around O’Hare in particular by making it clear we let him got not the other way around. It stops pathetic little wannabe clubs like Ryton and of course the media from saying he rejected a contract and chose them. Which quite clearly he wasn’t given the opportunity to stay. At 22 you should be playing first team football which he was....in League One.
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If James Chester is back to fitness, I'd hope we offer him another contract, for perhaps a year, if we do go down. He's not quite good enough for the Premier Division but for the Championship, he'd be great.
Agreed, definitely good enough for the Championship if we go down and we would then probably be looking to replace Mings.