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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: andyh on July 25, 2019, 03:12:45 PM
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With the ‘marvellous’, magical, incredible summer we have had on the transfer front, with probably a goalie and striker still to come, then we must be offloading some of the players who are not upto it?
Who could be on the way out if the right offers came in?
For me.
Kallinic
Barney
Lansbury
Hogan
Taylor (possibly)
Green (on loan)
kodjia (possibly)
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Kalinic yes if we get a new keeper. BB maybe but he’s played well in pre season. Lansbury no - Dean really likes him. Green maybe on loan but I doubt it. Jimmy no. Hogan yes. Taylor no.
Bree, KD and RHM will go out on loan I reckon.
Add in Tshibola to be sold.
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We have to name a squad of 25 as well don't we ?
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Twenty-five, excluding under-21 players. Douglas falls into that category so doesn't count against our 25.
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We can’t let Kodjia go unless we are bringing someone else in.
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This is already being discussed in the main transfer thread
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I’d certainly let Hogan, Lansbury and Green go.
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I can’t see Hourihane getting a look in next season either
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I can’t see Hourihane getting a look in next season either
Yeah. Not that I want him gone, but I think if a decent offer came in Dean would let him go.
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I can’t see Hourihane getting a look in next season either
Yeah. Not that I want him gone, but I think if a decent offer came in Dean would let him go.
He signed a new contract a few weeks ago.
Bree, Chester, BB, Lansbury, Hogan are all surplus to requirements with the new signings. Tshibola can be safely added to that list.
Kalinic and Kodjia will go if we get a replacement keeper and striker in as expected. I'd be happier giving Davis or RHM a chance over Kodjia whose legs are gone. I think we have enough cover at left back to let Taylor go too.
Davis, RHM, JDH, O'Hare, Green will all struggle to get chances with the new signings so would expect them to go on loan again.
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Hourihane has got better under Smith, and is always dangerous from set pieces. I think he will have a part to play, even if mainly restricted to appearances off the bench.
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I can’t see Hourihane getting a look in next season either
Yeah. Not that I want him gone, but I think if a decent offer came in Dean would let him go.
He signed a new contract a few weeks ago.
Bree, Chester, BB, Lansbury, Hogan are all surplus to requirements with the new signings. Tshibola can be safely added to that list.
Kalinic and Kodjia will go if we get a replacement keeper and striker in as expected. I'd be happier giving Davis or RHM a chance over Kodjia whose legs are gone. I think we have enough cover at left back to let Taylor go too.
Davis, RHM, JDH, O'Hare, Green will all struggle to get chances with the new signings so would expect them to go on loan again.
Yes in fairness, RHM and JDH didn't pull up any trees in League 2 and I can't see them featuring. If we're able to consolidate in the Prem, then I'm not sure they are of the required standard, and going on loan may not be much use to either club or player. Davis and O'Hare may have something to offer in future so a loan may be ok. I can't see Green playing too much either unless we hit the rocks.
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I can’t see Hourihane getting a look in next season either
He will start if McGinn is suspended.
Our first choice central three will be Luiz-McGinn-Grealish and then as back up we have Marvellous for DM, Hourihane for either DM or box to box and can see Jota playing as the 10 if Jack is out for a spell although he's doing a good job floating in from the right currently.
Would still expect us to move Bjarni on. Think Lansbury will be given until January to try to become regular part of the 18, if not he'll probably go then as his contract will nearly be up.
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I can’t see Hourihane getting a look in next season either
He will start if McGinn is suspended.
Our first choice central three will be Luiz-McGinn-Grealish and then as back up we have Marvellous for DM, Hourihane for either DM or box to box and can see Jota playing as the 10 if Jack is out for a spell although he's doing a good job floating in from the right currently.
Would still expect us to move Bjarni on. Think Lansbury will be given until January to try to become regular part of the 18, if not he'll probably go then as his contract will nearly be up.
Lansbury contracted until summer 2021. Big wages again thanks to Bruce and Fat Keith.
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He's had a good couple of years in the Championship, but it's about time to ditch Bad English.
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I can’t see Hourihane getting a look in next season either
He will start if McGinn is suspended.
Our first choice central three will be Luiz-McGinn-Grealish and then as back up we have Marvellous for DM, Hourihane for either DM or box to box and can see Jota playing as the 10 if Jack is out for a spell although he's doing a good job floating in from the right currently.
Would still expect us to move Bjarni on. Think Lansbury will be given until January to try to become regular part of the 18, if not he'll probably go then as his contract will nearly be up.
Lansbury contracted until summer 2021. Big wages again thanks to Bruce and Fat Keith.
There was me naively thinking at most he signed a three and a half year deal so thought it would be up next summer, did we give Taylor same length contract given he signed in same window?
I actually find it odd clubs still give out 4-5 year deals for essentially squad players. Fair enough if it's someone like Jack who's the best player at the club and you either want to keep him at all costs or make sure he goes for a maximum fee.
However surely with the high turnover of managers now and so constant squad changes clubs should just hand out 4-5 year deals to 4-5 key players at the club e.g. Mings, Jack, McGinn, Wesley, El Ghazi.
The rest are all on 2-3 year deals and up to them to prove they deserve to be here longer term. If they don't want to sign for us then off they go. Would've been a decent tactic to save 100k from not signing Richards or McCormack anyway.
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With the ‘marvellous’, magical, incredible summer we have had on the transfer front, with probably a goalie and striker still to come, then we must be offloading some of the players who are not upto it?
Who could be on the way out if the right offers came in?
For me.
Kallinic
Barney
Lansbury
Hogan
Taylor (possibly)
Green (on loan)
kodjia (possibly)
We've just built up the squad after 14 players left. You need a lot of cover in this league. Maybe one or two on loan but not another cull, no way.
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But we need to submit a squad of 25 to the Premier League (I think it's 25) so some slim lining is necessary
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Looking at our squad currently, omitting Douglas and Konsa (under 21). We are about here for definites:
1 New keeper
2 Steer
3 Nyland/Kalnic
4. Guilbert
5. Elmo
6. Taylor
7 Targett
8 Tyrone
9 Hause
10 Engels
11 Chester
12 Jack
13 SJM
14 Conor
15 Marvelous
16 Jota
17 Trezeguet
18 AEG
19 Wesley
20 Kodj
That leaves 5 places.
At this moment in time, I believe that it is in his and our best interests for OHare to get game time on loan, likewise Green. Davies would also benefit from a loan but as we speak, he would probably be needed as 3rd choice striker.
I would put Lansbury into the squad, bringing it up to 21. One more may come in on top of a new keeper, two at a push and I would go with that, leaving 2 places for January signings if needed.
The only possible shift from that is that Kodjia, Lansbury or even Chester could leave.
This leaves BB, Bree, Tish and Hogan who we should ideally offload if we get the chance.
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He's had a good couple of years in the Championship, but it's about time to ditch Bad English.
He can be cranky but will help Guilbert settle with his knowledge of French and all things France. Also, we lost Chris Jameson, Dave Cooper and Peter W last season so we need all the experience that remains.
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He's had a good couple of years in the Championship, but it's about time to ditch Bad English.
He can be cranky but will help Guilbert settle with his knowledge of French and all things France. Also, we lost Chris Jameson, Dave Cooper and Peter W last season so we need all the experience that remains.
Don’t forget Footyskillz, he has been out for a while but could offer something different from the bench.
I doubt if the opposition will be able to handle him.
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Don't bother picking me. I've been told off for refusing to drift in from the left wing.
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He's had a good couple of years in the Championship, but it's about time to ditch Bad English.
He can be cranky but will help Guilbert settle with his knowledge of French and all things France. Also, we lost Chris Jameson, Dave Cooper and Peter W last season so we need all the experience that remains.
Don’t forget Footyskillz, he has been out for a while but could offer something different from the bench.
I doubt if the opposition will be able to handle him.
We also have the family liaison officer to replace. Losing Eastie was a cruel blow.
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I can’t see Hourihane getting a look in next season either
He will start if McGinn is suspended.
Our first choice central three will be Luiz-McGinn-Grealish and then as back up we have Marvellous for DM, Hourihane for either DM or box to box and can see Jota playing as the 10 if Jack is out for a spell although he's doing a good job floating in from the right currently.
Would still expect us to move Bjarni on. Think Lansbury will be given until January to try to become regular part of the 18, if not he'll probably go then as his contract will nearly be up.
Lansbury contracted until summer 2021. Big wages again thanks to Bruce and Fat Keith.
There was me naively thinking at most he signed a three and a half year deal so thought it would be up next summer, did we give Taylor same length contract given he signed in same window?
I actually find it odd clubs still give out 4-5 year deals for essentially squad players. Fair enough if it's someone like Jack who's the best player at the club and you either want to keep him at all costs or make sure he goes for a maximum fee.
However surely with the high turnover of managers now and so constant squad changes clubs should just hand out 4-5 year deals to 4-5 key players at the club e.g. Mings, Jack, McGinn, Wesley, El Ghazi.
The rest are all on 2-3 year deals and up to them to prove they deserve to be here longer term. If they don't want to sign for us then off they go. Would've been a decent tactic to save 100k from not signing Richards or McCormack anyway.
Makes sense in theory, but in reality I guess there is often a struggle to get the player in and apart from the odd exception people tend to be thinking optimistically about keeping them rather than being able to move them on.
Not to say it’s right but I guess that’s the reason nobody really looks at contract length when we sign players, only later on when we’re either worried about losing them or paying their wages for another 2 years.
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We still have to cover cup competitions and we need some depth in the squad but we do need to move on a few more players that quite simply aren't good enough or won't get game time so there's no point keeping them on the payroll particularly if they have any value in the transfer market:
Sell:
Kalinic or Nyland
BB or Lansbury
Hogan or Kodjia
Bree
Tshibola
Loan (with buy options):
Green or RHM
O'Hare
Davis - he needs to go out of loan but I think he'll be kept in the squad to continue his development...plus we don't have any one else to cover Wes.
Chester - even if he doesn't play much, he is an excellent professional to keep around the squad particularly whilst the new players are settling in.
Hourihane - game time will be limited and he's earned a new contract, however that could equally be about making sure we get a good fee for him as much as it is about keeping him in the squad.
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Since the relegation rush for the exit and our then promotion do we have any ex players, with the exception of Gardner, who have gone on to better things.
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Since the relegation rush for the exit and our then promotion do we have any ex players, with the exception of Gardner, who have gone on to better things.
Guey certainly. Veretout almost certainly. Tarore possibly. Ayew maintained his pl status and Amarvi is doing well back in France.
In hindsight, that batch of signings weren’t as bad as the league table ultimately suggested. It was just too big an ask for them all to gel at once whilst their English counterparts were so poor.
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Since the relegation rush for the exit and our then promotion do we have any ex players, with the exception of Gardner, who have gone on to better things.
Guey certainly. Veretout almost certainly. Tarore possibly. Ayew maintained his pl status and Amarvi is doing well back in France.
In hindsight, that batch of signings weren’t as bad as the league table ultimately suggested. It was just too big an ask for them all to gel at once whilst their English counterparts were so poor.
I meant after all the ones who left quickly. Say in the last 2 years is there anyone.
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Since the relegation rush for the exit and our then promotion do we have any ex players, with the exception of Gardner, who have gone on to better things.
Guey certainly. Veretout almost certainly. Tarore possibly. Ayew maintained his pl status and Amarvi is doing well back in France.
In hindsight, that batch of signings weren’t as bad as the league table ultimately suggested. It was just too big an ask for them all to gel at once whilst their English counterparts were so poor.
I meant after all the ones who left quickly. Say in the last 2 years is there anyone.
Possibly Gollini
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What happened to Dave Cooper, is he ok?
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I can’t see Hourihane getting a look in next season either
I would wager that we won't see a match-day 18 WITHOUT Hourihane in it next season (unless he's injured). He's earned that right, and the hierarchy have clearly rewarded him for this endeavours over the past few seasons with a new contract.
Lansbury can impress all he wants in pre-season, but Hourihane has consistently produced in games - and the big games even more importantly. He might struggle to hold-down a starting spot this season, but I'm sure he'll always be in the squad as he's capable of coming-off the bench and creating / scoring a goal from a set-piece.
Grealish aside, I'm not sure how many dead-ball 'specialists' we actually have left in this squad...
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Davis and Green on loan.
To be sold;
Hogan
BB
Chester
Kalinic
We might get £15m
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I think we currently have 30 including Tosser, O Hare and Hepburn Murphy. We're expecting another 3 in with Marvellous a GK and probably a forward so that would be 33. Some are not applicable as they're U21, but surely we wouldn't need more than 28 players to pick from total, so allow 3 U21's.
New GK...?, Steer, Nyland 3 - sell Kalinic
Elmo, Guilbert, Konsa (U21), Chester, Mings, Engels, Hause, Taylor, Targett. 8 (1 U21) - loan Bree
Douglas (U21), Nakamba?, McGinn, Grealish, Hourahane, Lansbury, Bjarnasson 6 (1 U21) - sell Tosser
Jota, El Ghazi, Hepburn Murphy (U21), Trezeguet, Maupay?, Green 5 (1 U21) - loan O Hare
Wesley, Davis, Kodjia 3 - sell Hogan
TOTAL 28 (3 - U21)
It looks like Nakamba is coming but if we don't get a GK and another forward, keep Kalinic and Hogan for now.
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don’t know why Davis always seems to be nominated for a loan
we need all the strikers we can get
if he’s not good enough sell him
Personally I think he’ll make a very good forward,
for me I think he’s better than Kodjia,
he’s not really been given much game time and next season will be more difficult because it’s a step up for most of our players but I think he could be needed he’s very similar to Wesley I wouldn’t have any problem with him standing in
I just think sending people out on loan us an excuse for not thinking they are good enough
we don’t need baggage just sell the deadwood if that’s what he is
I think he is good enough and will prove himself with us or elsewhere like Amavi, Gaye and Veratout did with others
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Hogan, Tishbola, BB to be sold. Posibly Lansbury as well.
Green, Bree, Davis and O'Hare to be loaned.
Re loans: we should be demanding as hell about where they go. We want these players to be schooled for a year not simply making up someone else's numbers.
Brentford is an obvious candidate, but perhaps also Fulham and Huddersfield; maybe Luton, Leeds and Brissol. If, when they return, they are not up for a first-team squad place, it's time to sell.
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don’t know why Davis always seems to be nominated for a loan
Personally I think he’ll make a very good forward,
for me I think he’s better than Kodjia,
he’s very similar to Wesley I wouldn’t have any problem with him standing in
I wouldn't loan Davis either currently because, as you say he's the only one you could see doing a similar job to Wesley as he plays like him. I'm not sure he's ever been as good as Kodjia was before the injury but he could end up being better.
Loaning people out that look as though they're nearly there but not quite is a good idea, if you can see that they're currently down the pecking order. Say if we loan Bree out, he has the best season he's ever had and meanwhile one of the right backs we have get a bad injury. It's a simple one to sort next summer then, a player that's been around the club a while that suddenly looks like they deserve a shot.
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I'm hoping the guy who kept on telling us to hold on to our seats will come back to tell us to hold on to our seats.
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Davis and Green on loan.
To be sold;
Hogan
BB
Chester
Kalinic
We might get £15m
I can see us keeping Davis around as third choice and selling Kodjia instead.
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Definitely send RHM, COH and Green on loan, preferably the Championship with progressive Managers.
Lansbury, Hogan, Bjarnson, personally I’d get rid.
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Obviously the biggest problem with the ‘get rids’ is finding someone who wants them and can afford them
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We don't have a single player who wouldn't easily find a club. I'm not saying we would get big money for them, or even that we wouldn't have to contribute to their wages if they go on loan, but we are hardly talking McCormack and Richards, here.
If they're surplus to requirements, they'll be off. Just like Tshibola, Green, Steer, O'Hare, Hogan, Hepburn-Murphy, Elphick and probably a few others that I've forgotten were last year.
Premier League clubs routinely have a load of players out on loan. No big deal.
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Obviously the biggest problem with the ‘get rids’ is finding someone who wants them and can afford them
Getting promoted has solved the problem.
Payoff the mercenaries and negotiate with the rest.
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Re loans: we should be demanding as hell about where they go. We want these players to be schooled for a year not simply making up someone else's numbers.
Brentford is an obvious candidate, but perhaps also Fulham and Huddersfield
Haven't Fulham already got lots of players though? After they did a Fulham last summer.
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With respect, anyone advocating selling Kodjia and keeping Davis needs to give their head a wobble. Granted he's not the player he was pre ankle injuries, but Kodjia can, and does, still score and create things, whilst Davis simply holds up the ball.
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I suspect neither JK or Davis are good enough for us in the Premier League, but as it stands I think both will stay in the squad and Hogan will be sold. Davis needs a few goals under his belt, and it will be interesting to see what version of Kodjia we see this season although I suspect the ACN won’t have done him any favours as he could have done with a full preseason resting, receiving physio and in the gym.
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Re loans: we should be demanding as hell about where they go. We want these players to be schooled for a year not simply making up someone else's numbers.
Brentford is an obvious candidate, but perhaps also Fulham and Huddersfield
Haven't Fulham already got lots of players though? After they did a Fulham last summer.
Haha.
I don't know how many they've offloaded since they 'did one'.
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I can’t see Hourihane getting a look in next season either
I would wager that we won't see a match-day 18 WITHOUT Hourihane in it next season (unless he's injured). He's earned that right, and the hierarchy have clearly rewarded him for this endeavours over the past few seasons with a new contract.
Lansbury can impress all he wants in pre-season, but Hourihane has consistently produced in games - and the big games even more importantly. He might struggle to hold-down a starting spot this season, but I'm sure he'll always be in the squad as he's capable of coming-off the bench and creating / scoring a goal from a set-piece.
Grealish aside, I'm not sure how many dead-ball 'specialists' we actually have left in this squad...
With respect, anyone advocating selling Kodjia and keeping Davis needs to give their head a wobble. Granted he's not the player he was pre ankle injuries, but Kodjia can, and does, still score and create things, whilst Davis simply holds up the ball.
I'm wobbling my head all around and it's still coming up with Davis every day of the week
admittedly I probably think more of Davis than the average Villa fan
and also less of Kodjia than most on here, but that's just personal opinions of players
time will tell if Davis can step up with us or elsewhere and if Kodgia has any quality left to give
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I can’t see Hourihane getting a look in next season either
I would wager that we won't see a match-day 18 WITHOUT Hourihane in it next season (unless he's injured). He's earned that right, and the hierarchy have clearly rewarded him for this endeavours over the past few seasons with a new contract.
Lansbury can impress all he wants in pre-season, but Hourihane has consistently produced in games - and the big games even more importantly. He might struggle to hold-down a starting spot this season, but I'm sure he'll always be in the squad as he's capable of coming-off the bench and creating / scoring a goal from a set-piece.
Grealish aside, I'm not sure how many dead-ball 'specialists' we actually have left in this squad...
I think being in a squad of 18 is what I meant by not getting a look in
we have a million players in midfield now and I've said before if Hourahane is playing a major part for us next season if he's the one we are relying on we will be in deep trouble because imo he's not good enough for the quality and rigours of the prem
it's all opinions obviously but I'm glad we have a number of options now