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Title: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Matt Collins on December 27, 2018, 02:44:42 PM
It can't be a coincidence that we don't look as good since grealish got injured.

Do we stick with the current approach on the basis we're still scoring, it allows hourihane to get fwd and it at least involves proven players playing in something like their correct positions?

Or is having whelan and hourihane just too stodgy? Are these seemingly easier fixtures an opportunity to put more attacking players in?
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: XXVilla on December 27, 2018, 02:55:02 PM
El Ghazi behind the striker. AA and YB on the wings. COH is injured. 433 only if no other option
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Matt Collins on December 27, 2018, 02:57:24 PM
I forgot about lansbury

But then he's never fit so would be unwise to bank on him
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Richard on December 27, 2018, 03:06:19 PM
BB Conor SJM alternate the 4 wide players either side of Tammy depending on the opposition
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: eamonn on December 27, 2018, 03:44:49 PM
Please.stop abbreviating. We all have sore Christmas heads and it's too hard to think. Like, who is COH?  Conor O'Hourihane?  That's just racist, man.

Oh, you meant the fella.from the airport, fair enough.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: berneboy on December 27, 2018, 04:38:57 PM
New player in.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 27, 2018, 06:23:27 PM
O'Hare is apparently injured according to Dean Smith so isn't an option for a while.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: XXVilla on December 27, 2018, 07:01:19 PM
Please.stop abbreviating. We all have sore Christmas heads and it's too hard to think. Like, who is COH?  Conor O'Hourihane?  That's just racist, man.

Oh, you meant the fella.from the airport, fair enough.

I can’t be arsed to type out all the names just as you can’t be arsed to work out who I’m talking about
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: j66acd on December 27, 2018, 07:02:48 PM
A winter break
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Villafirst on December 28, 2018, 08:24:37 AM
Buy Bradley Dack or Jarrod Bowen. We can't afford to wait
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: john e on December 28, 2018, 08:58:05 AM
Please.stop abbreviating. We all have sore Christmas heads and it's too hard to think. Like, who is COH?  Conor O'Hourihane?  That's just racist, man.

Oh, you meant the fella.from the airport, fair enough.

I can’t be arsed to type out all the names just as you can’t be arsed to work out who I’m talking about


I just can’t be arsed in general
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2018, 09:23:01 AM
All of the wingers look far less effective since Jack has been out. It's his ability to ghost past a man, and play a slide rule pass that makes most teams double up on him, leaving more space for the wide men.  Hourihane can be dangerous in his own way, but he just doesn't hurt teams in the same way when he has possession of the ball.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Des Little on December 28, 2018, 10:16:11 AM
Romaine Sawyers. Fixed
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 28, 2018, 10:18:11 AM
Please.stop abbreviating. We all have sore Christmas heads and it's too hard to think. Like, who is COH?  Conor O'Hourihane?  That's just racist, man.

Oh, you meant the fella.from the airport, fair enough.

I can’t be arsed to type out all the names just as you can’t be arsed to work out who I’m talking about

We frown on the use of txt spk so in the same manner it's only polite to use recognisable names when asked.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2018, 10:21:20 AM
Please.stop abbreviating. We all have sore Christmas heads and it's too hard to think. Like, who is COH?  Conor O'Hourihane?  That's just racist, man.

Oh, you meant the fella.from the airport, fair enough.

I can’t be arsed to type out all the names just as you can’t be arsed to work out who I’m talking about

We frown on the use of txt spk so in the same manner it's only polite to use recognisable names when asked.

Apropos nothing at all, but who was that girl many years ago who refused to stop using text speak, because she was like, a strong independent woman.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: KRS on December 28, 2018, 10:33:26 AM
This injury just goes to show that we need another player that can play the same role that Jack does. We can’t expect him to not miss any games all season, so if we have to change the way Deano wants to play due to personnel then we have to sign another player than can do the job.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: LeeB on December 28, 2018, 10:50:34 AM
All of the wingers look far less effective since Jack has been out. It's his ability to ghost past a man, and play a slide rule pass that makes most teams double up on him, leaving more space for the wide men.  Hourihane can be dangerous in his own way, but he just doesn't hurt teams in the same way when he has possession of the ball.

Hourihane is more danger to us when he has possesion anywhere back from about 25 yards from the oppositon goal.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: XXVilla on December 28, 2018, 10:52:12 AM
Please.stop abbreviating. We all have sore Christmas heads and it's too hard to think. Like, who is COH?  Conor O'Hourihane?  That's just racist, man.

Oh, you meant the fella.from the airport, fair enough.

I can’t be arsed to type out all the names just as you can’t be arsed to work out who I’m talking about

We frown on the use of txt spk so in the same manner it's only polite to use recognisable names when asked.

If Eamonn asks me to not use abbreviations again I shall duly oblige.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
Please.stop abbreviating. We all have sore Christmas heads and it's too hard to think. Like, who is COH?  Conor O'Hourihane?  That's just racist, man.

Oh, you meant the fella.from the airport, fair enough.

I can’t be arsed to type out all the names just as you can’t be arsed to work out who I’m talking about

We frown on the use of txt spk so in the same manner it's only polite to use recognisable names when asked.

If Eamonn asks me to not use abbreviations again I shall duly oblige.
The spirit of Christmas.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Breezeblock on December 28, 2018, 11:46:05 AM
Please.stop abbreviating. We all have sore Christmas heads and it's too hard to think. Like, who is COH?  Conor O'Hourihane?  That's just racist, man.

Oh, you meant the fella.from the airport, fair enough.

I can’t be arsed to type out all the names just as you can’t be arsed to work out who I’m talking about

We frown on the use of txt spk so in the same manner it's only polite to use recognisable names when asked.

If Eamonn asks me to not use abbreviations again I shall duly oblige.
The spirit of Christmas.
Gin is my preferred choice!
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2018, 11:49:31 AM
Please.stop abbreviating. We all have sore Christmas heads and it's too hard to think. Like, who is COH?  Conor O'Hourihane?  That's just racist, man.

Oh, you meant the fella.from the airport, fair enough.

I can’t be arsed to type out all the names just as you can’t be arsed to work out who I’m talking about

We frown on the use of txt spk so in the same manner it's only polite to use recognisable names when asked.

If Eamonn asks me to not use abbreviations again I shall duly oblige.
The spirit of Christmas.
Gin is my preferred choice!
Not that blue stuff that tastes like mouthwash I hope.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Breezeblock on December 28, 2018, 11:53:10 AM
The spirit of Christmas.
Gin is my preferred choice!
Not that blue stuff that tastes like mouthwash I hope.
No mate - Bathtub, Sipsmith or Blooms :)
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: mike on December 28, 2018, 11:54:57 AM
Hope that God is a Villa fan, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: LeeB on December 28, 2018, 01:30:13 PM
Hope that God is a Villa fan, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Of course he is, he gave us Birmingham City to laugh at.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2018, 01:31:45 PM
The spirit of Christmas.
Gin is my preferred choice!
Not that blue stuff that tastes like mouthwash I hope.
No mate - Bathtub, Sipsmith or Blooms :)

You need to get onboard with the Warner Edwards. Their rhubarb gin is the best thing ever.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2018, 03:40:50 PM
Please.stop abbreviating. We all have sore Christmas heads and it's too hard to think. Like, who is COH?  Conor O'Hourihane?  That's just racist, man.

Oh, you meant the fella.from the airport, fair enough.

I can’t be arsed to type out all the names just as you can’t be arsed to work out who I’m talking about

We frown on the use of txt spk so in the same manner it's only polite to use recognisable names when asked.

Apropos nothing at all, but who was that girl many years ago who refused to stop using text speak, because she was like, a strong independent woman.

Was it that (very attractive) woman who was on soccer am that time?
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: ozzjim on December 28, 2018, 04:02:51 PM
Sawyers interest is no suprise. Especially if Jack is out for a couple of months.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: berneboy on December 28, 2018, 04:09:23 PM
Sawyers it is then.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Matt Collins on December 30, 2018, 06:40:39 AM
If Jack is out until March or so we definitely need a change. The midfield were playing now doesn't look right on paper and looks worse on the pitch

Sawyers is a very obvious shout

I hope he changes it for QPR anyway though. We need more energy as much as we need more creativity
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: john e on December 30, 2018, 08:58:30 AM
If Jack is out until March or so we definitely need a change. The midfield were playing now doesn't look right on paper and looks worse on the pitch

Sawyers is a very obvious shout

I hope he changes it for QPR anyway though. We need more energy as much as we need more creativity

changing things is not something Smith has been keen to do since he’s been here
obviously he will be hampered by having so few options

but the same old stager names in the line up every week is somewhat disheartening
Before he came we were led to believe he had a reputation for taking risks and not being afraid of throwing in a youngster or two
so far we have seen the exact opposite

I’m still very happy with Smith but he needs to be braver
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Risso on December 30, 2018, 08:59:39 AM

Was it that (very attractive) woman who was on soccer am that time?


I think so.  Not sure I ever saw that, but she was a bit of a div.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Steve67 on December 30, 2018, 10:10:24 AM

Was it that (very attractive) woman who was on soccer am that time?


I think so.  Not sure I ever saw that, but she was a bit of a div.

Toni Duggan.  She missed every attempt at goal, including the double their money penalty kick on Soccer AM.  Not a great advert for women's football.

In answer the the OP question, clearly there is no answer.  McGinn is holding our midfield together on his own. 
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 30, 2018, 10:48:08 AM

Was it that (very attractive) woman who was on soccer am that time?


I think so.  Not sure I ever saw that, but she was a bit of a div.

Totes. For real!
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: andyh on December 30, 2018, 11:04:11 PM
I reckon Carlos Gil could have been the answer
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Risso on December 30, 2018, 11:24:18 PM

Was it that (very attractive) woman who was on soccer am that time?


I think so.  Not sure I ever saw that, but she was a bit of a div.

Toni Duggan.  She missed every attempt at goal, including the double their money penalty kick on Soccer AM.  Not a great advert for women's football.



We're talking about someone who posted on here aaaaaages ago.  Think she was a soccerette once or whatever they call them on Soccer AM.  Not an actual footballer.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: alftitimus on December 31, 2018, 01:39:34 AM

Quote
Apropos nothing at all, but who was that girl many years ago who refused to stop using text speak, because she was like, a strong independent woman.

Princess Anne.... who gave up early with her "Naff-Off" constant replies.... then abandoned Twitter completley leaving her Staff/Servants to report her Activities.


Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: alftitimus on December 31, 2018, 01:56:07 AM
On Jack... B.O.T.

My fear early on in December... was  my usual suspiscious thought.

'Cotton Wool' time, prior to a sale.
We've seen it many times before -
Star Player, suddenly out-of-play ... injuries/illness... whatever....
BUT not risked on the pitch, before a January Sale !

It's still there in my fears for losing JG.

If we keep him  ;D..... DS has proved, we can survive without Jack.

We don't need his Set-Piece-Fouls, as Steve seemed to train on, DS has let him free and he's been better for it.... I reckon.

DS has shown we can survive and prosper without Jack, but FFP and P&S are more serious problems.

So Jack might go... hence his 'cotton-wool' pre-window.

I WANT to be wrong....and paranoid .... ;D
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: old man villa fan on December 31, 2018, 02:51:43 AM
If Jack is out until March or so we definitely need a change. The midfield were playing now doesn't look right on paper and looks worse on the pitch

Sawyers is a very obvious shout

I hope he changes it for QPR anyway though. We need more energy as much as we need more creativity

changing things is not something Smith has been keen to do since he’s been here
obviously he will be hampered by having so few options

but the same old stager names in the line up every week is somewhat disheartening
Before he came we were led to believe he had a reputation for taking risks and not being afraid of throwing in a youngster or two
so far we have seen the exact opposite

I’m still very happy with Smith but he needs to be braver

Needed to get a settled side and approach to playing established first.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: john e on December 31, 2018, 04:27:11 PM
If Jack is out until March or so we definitely need a change. The midfield were playing now doesn't look right on paper and looks worse on the pitch

Sawyers is a very obvious shout

I hope he changes it for QPR anyway though. We need more energy as much as we need more creativity

changing things is not something Smith has been keen to do since he’s been here
obviously he will be hampered by having so few options

but the same old stager names in the line up every week is somewhat disheartening
Before he came we were led to believe he had a reputation for taking risks and not being afraid of throwing in a youngster or two
so far we have seen the exact opposite

I’m still very happy with Smith but he needs to be braver

Needed to get a settled side and approach to playing established first.

you nearly used the word stability there didn't you
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: walsall villain on December 31, 2018, 04:53:02 PM
If Jack is out until March or so we definitely need a change. The midfield were playing now doesn't look right on paper and looks worse on the pitch

Sawyers is a very obvious shout

I hope he changes it for QPR anyway though. We need more energy as much as we need more creativity

changing things is not something Smith has been keen to do since he’s been here
obviously he will be hampered by having so few options

but the same old stager names in the line up every week is somewhat disheartening
Before he came we were led to believe he had a reputation for taking risks and not being afraid of throwing in a youngster or two
so far we have seen the exact opposite

I’m still very happy with Smith but he needs to be braver
Severely limited options apart from up front. I do wonder have good the youngsters actually are. The better ones seem to keep getting injured so that’s not helping. I was disappointed to see Green go out on loan but I see since he recovered from his injury at Portsmouth he hardly ever features, that’s disappointing.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Matt Collins on December 31, 2018, 06:22:17 PM
I don't think Brentford had a youth team?

So he was mostly picking up kids with some first team experience I think

Division 2 of the under 23 league really is no standard at all. We need to loan them out. We should have loaned ohare and rhm a year ago
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: john e on December 31, 2018, 06:46:43 PM
If Jack is out until March or so we definitely need a change. The midfield were playing now doesn't look right on paper and looks worse on the pitch

Sawyers is a very obvious shout

I hope he changes it for QPR anyway though. We need more energy as much as we need more creativity

changing things is not something Smith has been keen to do since he’s been here
obviously he will be hampered by having so few options

but the same old stager names in the line up every week is somewhat disheartening
Before he came we were led to believe he had a reputation for taking risks and not being afraid of throwing in a youngster or two
so far we have seen the exact opposite

I’m still very happy with Smith but he needs to be braver
Severely limited options apart from up front. I do wonder have good the youngsters actually are. The better ones seem to keep getting injured so that’s not helping. I was disappointed to see Green go out on loan but I see since he recovered from his injury at Portsmouth he hardly ever features, that’s disappointing.

maybe we might see one or two in the FA cup game, unless there is literally no one at the club who can cope
in  Which case we might as well get rid of the lot and close the academy down like they did at Brentford
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: john2710 on December 31, 2018, 06:47:45 PM
If he ever gets fit enough, I'd go for Lansbury. He's creative, a goal threat & did well there for Forrest. I guess Grealish will be back before Lansbury is.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: old man villa fan on January 01, 2019, 07:26:28 AM
Loaning our young players out over the last few seasons has generally been a failure. I put this down to other clubs at a lower level only wanting them as squad fillers and prefer to develop their own players first.

We need to see ourselves if they have what it takes. I think having almost a squad of experienced players has been to the detriment of our young players. If we are not going to try them soon, when are we going to be in a position to do so. If you look at the number of players out of contract at the end of this or next season, you can see where the openings are going to be.  Therefore, start blooding a few players in these positions.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: XXVilla on January 01, 2019, 09:47:50 AM
Apart from Jack who was the last regular first team player who came up from the academy? I don’t count Davis btw
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: john e on January 01, 2019, 11:02:28 AM
the youth and academy has to be seen as a massive failure right now

for all the state of the art training facilities and much vaunted successful sides there is not one, not a single one deemed good enough to step up in our hour of need in any position,
It's a massive disappointment
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: robleflaneur on January 01, 2019, 11:15:15 AM
the youth and academy has to be seen as a massive failure right now

for all the state of the art training facilities and much vaunted successful sides there is not one, not a single one deemed good enough to step up in our hour of need in any position,
It's a massive disappointment
Aren't several of them injured ?
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2019, 12:41:11 PM
the youth and academy has to be seen as a massive failure right now

for all the state of the art training facilities and much vaunted successful sides there is not one, not a single one deemed good enough to step up in our hour of need in any position,
It's a massive disappointment

I couldn't agree more.  Given the size of the club, the resources and the catchment area, whilst we do well with the Hong Kong sixes quite often, our academy is failing us.  I hope that Pitarch and Smudge have plans for it. 
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Matt Collins on January 01, 2019, 01:22:20 PM
It definitely seemed to take a dip

We've always had trouble transitioning from 19 to 22 though

In recent years, we couldn't find a way to blood in Albrighton, Davis, cahill, Robinson, Johnson, stevens etc
 
We need to find a way to do that. I do think it starts with a  loan.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: brontebilly on January 01, 2019, 01:59:35 PM
the youth and academy has to be seen as a massive failure right now

for all the state of the art training facilities and much vaunted successful sides there is not one, not a single one deemed good enough to step up in our hour of need in any position,
It's a massive disappointment
Aren't several of them injured ?

Finger has to be pointed at the sport science area too then. Far too many of them have persistent soft tissue injuries (Green, RHM) and it's not from exposure to adult football.

We must be the biggest underachievers in European football so it's no surprise that almost every area of the club is nowhere near the required standard. Ellis and Lerners legacy.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 01, 2019, 06:49:26 PM
Apart from Jack who was the last regular first team player who came up from the academy? I don’t count Davis btw

Baker?
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2019, 06:52:41 PM
Apart from Jack who was the last regular first team player who came up from the academy? I don’t count Davis btw

Baker?

If you want to feel old, Baker made his debut for us nearly 8 years ago.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Matt Collins on January 01, 2019, 07:39:17 PM
I really hope he tries el ghazi or ohare as a 10 in the fa Cup
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: CT on January 01, 2019, 08:06:52 PM
We looked rudderless without him again at times today.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Villafirst on January 01, 2019, 08:17:44 PM
Sign Bradley Dack from Blackburn.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Matt Collins on January 01, 2019, 08:28:29 PM
What do we do with dack when grealish is fit?
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2019, 12:04:33 AM
Play both.

Although I think Dack will go for big money to the prem soon.

You know there was a midfielder at Forest who could have played the more forward role alongside McGinn, got involved, scored some goals, looked a right player at this level. Not seen him for a couple of years though.
Title: Re: What's the answer while Grealish is out?
Post by: Roysmert on January 06, 2019, 11:07:25 AM
Bradley Dack is way too good for t'Rovers. I think he'd fit right in under Dean Smith.
In the meantime I'd be playing lazy bones Kodjia in the #10 role. It's not exactly working right now, is it?
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