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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: aj2k77 on February 11, 2017, 10:19:54 AM
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He really is a strange one, rocking up at Swindon, he has control of tactics, transfer strategy, training 3 times a week and team selection BUT isn't the manager, doesn't conduct interviews, doesn't attend post of pre match media. He basically does as he see's fit and is answerable to no one at the moment.
Unsurprisingly Swindon have won 3 out of 19 and fans want him gone.
Full article is here, sorry for the link to the Daily Heil
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4204670/Tim-Sherwood-won-just-19-games-Swindon.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4204670/Tim-Sherwood-won-just-19-games-Swindon.html)
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To think some Villa fans still celebrate this charlatan. To be fair, his face on the Football Manager game is a stroke of delicious irony.
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Well what a load of nonsense.
'Arry'll tell ya and Sav and Wright'y and probably Danny Murphy as well.
It's about time good young English managers were given a chance ahead of all these foreigners. I've never heard of half of 'em and they come over here with fancy ideas. What we need is a bit of good old English passion and spirit.
It's not all about winning games and scoring goals is it? It's about a bunch of gold club wankers all pissing into the same pot, ignoring the bloody obvious and making sure everyone thinks that their mates are being hard done by.
It's Brexit football, Harry as Farage, Sav as Nuttall and Danny Murphy as any number of brainless Question Time audience members blithering on about how brilliant we all are and how we don't need anyone else.
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Just think, if Sherwood was still here we'd probably be in the bottom half of the Championship by now.
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To think some Villa fans still celebrate this charlatan. To be fair, his face on the Football Manager game is a stroke of delicious irony.
I wouldn't want him back unless he somehow proved himself somewhere else (which tbf is looking lees and less likely), but I enjoyed the beginning of his time here more than I'd enjoyed Villa in many years.
I'm glad we got rid of him quite quickly when it started to turn bad, because I can remember the few weeks that ended up at Wembley really fondly without it being clouded too much by the shit bit that started just before the cup final itself.
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To think some Villa fans still celebrate this charlatan. To be fair, his face on the Football Manager game is a stroke of delicious irony.
Does anyone really still celebrate him? He did well to get us out of trouble when things were fast heading to shit. He managed two games that were absolutely superb. But it was all very fleeting and when it went wrong, it did so in spectacular fashion. There are some good memories but like almost everyone delighted to see the back of him.
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I just...I'm still embarrassed that we were managed by Sherwood. At least all the other failures had actual management experience and weren't utter gobshites. Sherwood though. The memory still stings.
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I just...I'm still embarrassed that we were managed by Sherwood. At least all the other failures had actual management experience and weren't utter gobshites. Sherwood though. The memory still stings.
Strange as it might sound, his tenure was the only time i've really been embarrassed by the club.
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To think some Villa fans still celebrate this charlatan. To be fair, his face on the Football Manager game is a stroke of delicious irony.
Does anyone really still celebrate him?
Plenty seemed to want him back when we initially dropped down and then when Di Matteo walked the plank. If you take polls on the likes of tawsksport and the Meaning Evil as gospel.
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I wouldn't have him back in a million years but he gave me two of the best days i've had supporting Villa so I can never bring myself to get too worked up about him.
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I just...I'm still embarrassed that we were managed by Sherwood. At least all the other failures had actual management experience and weren't utter gobshites. Sherwood though. The memory still stings.
Strange as it might sound, his tenure was the only time i've really been embarrassed by the club.
Yup. It was the point at which we went from a club that just made bad decisions into a club that didn't even care enough to bother thinking about the decision they were making.
Idiocy at every possible level.
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We might get a chance for another tactical battle with Tim next season.
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If Tim Sherwood told me it was daylight, I'd go outside and check for myself.
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So happy we have got Bruce! He kept us up when we were down. Better manager than Lambert
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How can things get worse? Reallly.
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Some of his performances were great - Sunderland/Spurs Away, Everton at Home , the second half v West Brom cup and league games), the first half v West Ham and of course out thinking Liverpool.
Not all his fault for it going pearshape - Benteke and the snake didn't help.
Certainly got more out the players than Bruce is at the moment.
I detest Talkrubbish but others have been on their.
Some of his appointments and signings were naff but come on again not the first nor the last to fall into that trap.
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I think we have enough of our own charlatans without worrying about what Sherwood is up to.
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But we are chastising him when we have had worse managers previously and since. I don't particularly care for him, but he did for a brief moment give us back our Villa. The likes of Benteke, Delph and Cleverley took that moment away and we were well and truly stuffed.
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But we are chastising him when we have had worse managers previously and since. I don't particularly care for him, but he did for a brief moment give us back our Villa. The likes of Benteke, Delph and Cleverley took that moment away and we were well and truly stuffed.
I think one of the reasons Sherwood might cop it more than other shit managers is that he spent more time than most talking himself up. The more you talk yourself up, the bigger the fall when it goes wrong.
For a spell of 10 or so games, though, yes, we were watchable. It started to go seriously south even before the end of that season, though.
The true villain of the piece here is the utter, utter idiot who decided to have a list consisting of one candidate, and for that candidate to be Sherwood.
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The true villain of the piece here is the utter, utter idiot who decided to have a list consisting of one candidate, and for that candidate to be Sherwood.
Without wanting to beat saunders_heroes' drum, there is also the bloke who thought paying nearly a million pounds a year to that guy in exchange for decisions like that one.
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I wouldn't have him back in a million years but he gave me two of the best days i've had supporting Villa so I can never bring myself to get too worked up about him.
100% agree
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He kept us up, and the FA Cup semi was pretty special, but then everything fell apart spectacularly. He looked like a rabbit in the headlights after the Cup Final, and everything after that was a disaster.
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To be fair we started well with a good win at Bournemouth and despite some losses we at that stage weren't the time that finished the season. For over an hour we were well on top at Leicester and if you were told then that one team would go on and win the league and the other be the laughing stock of the division you wouldn't have guessed which way round it would have been. Half an hour later you might, though. But from there I don't think Sherwood recovered and he and the club just fell apart.
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To be fair we started well with a good win at Bournemouth and despite some losses we at that stage weren't the time that finished the season. For over an hour we were well on top at Leicester and if you were told then that one team would go on and win the league and the other be the laughing stock of the division you wouldn't have guessed which way round it would have been. Half an hour later you might, though. But from there I don't think Sherwood recovered and he and the club just fell apart.
There was a real sliding doors moment for me in that Leicester game. It was leading 2-0 half way through the second half, he took off Gil who had scored the second goal and looked very good and brought on Ayew who, at the time, was woefully out of form and struggling to adapt to English football. This and the fact the worst idea possible was to bring on a striker! It really shaped both of our seasons after that.
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I just...I'm still embarrassed that we were managed by Sherwood. At least all the other failures had actual management experience and weren't utter gobshites. Sherwood though. The memory still stings.
Strange as it might sound, his tenure was the only time i've really been embarrassed by the club.
Not at the start.....we picked up in the league and had some really good performances....4-0 at Sunderland, 1-0 at Spurs, 3-2 against Everton, the cup semi, even the 3-2 defeat at Man. City we were pretty good and for the first time in years we looked a decent and competitive premier league team (a bit like Swansea atm).
That time gave me far more hope than really any stage of the Lambert era that we were slowly moving forwards....but then 6-1 at Southampton, the cup final and key players leaving all happened and he got found out the next season...no defence from me there.
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I just...I'm still embarrassed that we were managed by Sherwood. At least all the other failures had actual management experience and weren't utter gobshites. Sherwood though. The memory still stings.
Strange as it might sound, his tenure was the only time i've really been embarrassed by the club.
Yup. It was the point at which we went from a club that just made bad decisions into a club that didn't even care enough to bother thinking about the decision they were making.
Idiocy at every possible level.
I honestly didn't think it was that terrible decision at the time. The likes of Pulis and Big Sam were in employment and Sherwood's win ratio at Spurs was still fresh in the memory so we gambled he could provide a short term fix and he did and we stayed up even before the final game which looked very unlikely when Lambert left.
Sadly he showed also why giving him a 3 year deal wasn't the brightest idea although I'd imagine Lerner would've just given him a new deal like he did with Lambert.
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I just...I'm still embarrassed that we were managed by Sherwood. At least all the other failures had actual management experience and weren't utter gobshites. Sherwood though. The memory still stings.
Strange as it might sound, his tenure was the only time i've really been embarrassed by the club.
Yup. It was the point at which we went from a club that just made bad decisions into a club that didn't even care enough to bother thinking about the decision they were making.
Idiocy at every possible level.
I honestly didn't think it was that terrible decision at the time. The likes of Pulis and Big Sam were in employment and Sherwood's win ratio at Spurs was still fresh in the memory so we gambled he could provide a short term fix and he did and we stayed up even before the final game which looked very unlikely when Lambert left.
Sadly he showed also why giving him a 3 year deal wasn't the brightest idea although I'd imagine Lerner would've just given him a new deal like he did with Lambert.
In fairness to Timmy, after Lambert's last game at Hull we looked nailed on certs for relegation. Timmy with his breezy attitude lifted a few heads, dispensed bland platitudes to his media mates, chatted with Sav on the couch after games and we got a few key players playing. He was the anti dour Lambert with all his faux positivity and for a short time it worked. An extra year in the top division, cup run and the rise in Benteke's value all probably made the club a fair whack of cash. If the club had let Timmy go then, he probably would have taken the cash and pitched himself as the next Big Sam type managerial rescue act.
However he finished his own management career in a matter of months with his laughable apprentice act on the sideline last season. All the warnings Spurs fans had regarding leaking of stories to the media unsurprisingly repeated themselves quite quickly as we struggled. The signing of part time footballer Micah Richards as a centre half and captain on a four year deal, probably the worst in the history of the club or any club.
A truly toxic individual who has no business being involved in the management of football clubs at any level. Sitting on the MOTD couch with Wrighty and the boys would be more his game although even at that he seemed out of his depth. Funnily, despite being employed by Swindon, he still was hungry enough to take Sky's coin recently to be a pundit for the QPR v Villa game. Terry Venables without any ability really.
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Terry Venables had a lot of ability, only not all of it was football-related.
See 'Broken Dreams' by Tom Bower for details.
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The reception he got on the pitch at qpr from about 3000 of us says A bit diff from what is reading on here
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I liked Dim but Tim, but also knew it was only a fling, was never going to turn into a marriage of any substance, one thing thou, he was the only person so far who managed to get a more regular tune out of Jack.
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The reception he got on the pitch at qpr from about 3000 of us says A bit diff from what is reading on here
I was part of that 3000 and he got fuck all from me.
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Ok 2999 then
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He did well to keep us up and get us to the Cup final. But the crap he came out with after the Blues game was so embarrassing, Rowett saw straight through it. Wish we could have swapped managers after that game.
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Ok 2999 then
2994 because he got jack shit from Me and the 4 guys with me. He spent most of the match looking at his phone and looked at the replays on the monitor when incidents occurred. This pundit lark seems a piece of piss to me.
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I'm glad he's long gone and I thought he was a clown, but he did contribute to a brief spell where I enjoyed watching Villa, which is a real rarity in the last 7 years.
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I must admit that on one of their threads on SHA - I think it is entitled 'New Manager' someone has posted a really funny gif of Sherwood and Ferdinand with air traffic control paddles and a plane crashes and burns as a result. It is very funny I just don't know how you paste it onto here.
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Maybe they can find the ackers to convince him to desert Swindon when their current Italian so-called-boss walks as he surely will next week-ish !
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I'm glad he's long gone and I thought he was a clown, but he did contribute to a brief spell where I enjoyed watching Villa, which is a real rarity in the last 7 years.
Yep, in fact he's the only Villa manager since O'Neill left who has done that (albeit for a brief period of time).
Just looking at his record, he's won 1 fewer game than Garde, Di Matteo and Bruce combined (in 30 fewer games)! And all through that appalling start to last season, we only got beaten by more than 1 goal once (2-0 away to Chelsea), so perhaps he was closest to making something happen.
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Swindon Town director of football Tim Sherwood will serve a two-match stadium ban after admitting abusing a match official during their defeat at Bury.
The 48-year-old was charged by the Football Association last week after an incident at Gigg Lane on 11 February.
Sherwood admitted using "insulting and/or improper words and/or behaviour" towards a match official in the tunnel area at half-time of the 1-0 loss.
The former Tottenham and Aston Villa boss has also been fined £2,000.
Swindon have won three, drawn five and lost 11 of their 19 games in all competitions since Sherwood's arrival on 10 November, leaving them 22nd in League One, four points from safety.
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I'm glad he's long gone and I thought he was a clown, but he did contribute to a brief spell where I enjoyed watching Villa, which is a real rarity in the last 7 years.
Yep, in fact he's the only Villa manager since O'Neill left who has done that (albeit for a brief period of time).
Just looking at his record, he's won 1 fewer game than Garde, Di Matteo and Bruce combined (in 30 fewer games)! And all through that appalling start to last season, we only got beaten by more than 1 goal once (2-0 away to Chelsea), so perhaps he was closest to making something happen.
Yup. Whether he just got lucky for a bit till found out, or he was decent and just got unlucky for a bit I dont know. But I would give him a clap if he wandered by. Not sure I would want him back but I wish him no ill will.
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Offered somebody outside.....
https://twitter.com/beerdiddit/status/838393527964958720
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I'll hold his gilet
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Was it pistols, sabres or handbags?
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This thread title pisses me off. Just because someone may not be up to our high standards doesn't make them a chancer. He's been given some opportunities and had a crack a them, with some success and some bad times. Why does that make him a chancer?
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This thread title pisses me off. Just because someone may not be up to our high standards doesn't make them a chancer. He's been given some opportunities and had a crack a them, with some success and some bad times. Why does that make him a chancer?
Most things seem to result in you posting in a very stroppy fashion to be frank.
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Ok, that helps. Thanks.
Sometimes we just don't come across as very classy. Less and less so to be honest. But it's something we always try to claim to be, but frankly this sort of stuff is no better than you'd expect from the noses.
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This thread title pisses me off. Just because someone may not be up to our high standards doesn't make them a chancer. He's been given some opportunities and had a crack a them, with some success and some bad times. Why does that make him a chancer?
A chancer is someone who exploits any opportunity for his own benefit, even if that's to the detriment of other parties. Sherwood is the very definition of a chancer. His entire coaching and managerial career is littered with examples of his craven chancery. Like when he set us up perfectly for a dismal relegation then blamed his ineptitude on players he denied wanting, only weeks after telling the world how clever he was to have signed them. The man is a self-serving gobshite. Probably the biggest chancer we've had, and considering we had Lambert that's no mean feat.
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Well I was embarrassed by his post match comments following the win over the Noses in the LC. That reeked to high heaven of someone being a chancer.
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This thread title pisses me off. Just because someone may not be up to our high standards doesn't make them a chancer. He's been given some opportunities and had a crack a them, with some success and some bad times. Why does that make him a chancer?
A chancer is someone who exploits any opportunity for his own benefit, even if that's to the detriment of other parties. Sherwood is the very definition of a chancer. His entire coaching and managerial career is littered with examples of his craven chancery. Like when he set us up perfectly for a dismal relegation then blamed his ineptitude on players he denied wanting, only weeks after telling the world how clever he was to have signed them. The man is a self-serving gobshite. Probably the biggest chancer we've had, and considering we had Lambert that's no mean feat.
Had it not been for his catastrophic input into the sad tale of my beloved club, I'd almost admire his chutzpah.
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An excellent example, Oz. Why confess to having got your tactics wrong when you can claim that your tactics were to play badly? Ludicrous bullshit and the work of a grade A chancer in the throes of winging it.
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An excellent example, Oz. Why confess to having got your tactics wrong when you can claim that your tactics were to play badly? Ludicrous bullshit and the work of a grade A chancer in the throes of winging it.
Leicester away.
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Added to CB's succinct analysis, Sherwood compounded his venality by seeking and using friends in the media to promote the belief that everything that Sherwood got wrong was the fault of his employers and his colleagues.
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So we can now agree the thread of the title is quite fitting?
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I'm glad he's long gone and I thought he was a clown, but he did contribute to a brief spell where I enjoyed watching Villa, which is a real rarity in the last 7 years.
Our Darren couldn't have put it better.
Like Houllier and Garde, I do wonder what would have happened had he been able to bring in his first pick as coach/assistant. They could have done the ugly, tactical stuff and he could have been left to the rabble rousing, be that teamtalks, press conferences or whatever. I think losing Benteke, Cleverly and Delph and not getting Townsend knocked the stuffing out of him too. He was noticeably quieter after that.
Fat Wilkins on a comedown was about as useful as tits on a bull. Which is what Butch looked like by the time he was 'coaching' us.
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I'm glad he's long gone and I thought he was a clown, but he did contribute to a brief spell where I enjoyed watching Villa, which is a real rarity in the last 7 years.
Our Darren couldn't have put it better.
Like Houllier and Garde, I do wonder what would have happened had he been able to bring in his first pick as coach/assistant. They could have done the ugly, tactical stuff and he could have been left to the rabble rousing, be that teamtalks, press conferences or whatever. I think losing Benteke, Cleverly and Delph and not getting Townsend knocked the stuffing out of him too. He was noticeably quieter after that.
Fat Wilkins on a comedown was about as useful as tits on a bull. Which is what Butch looked like by the time he was 'coaching' us.
Wilkins seemed like a good appointment on paper. Plenty of experience. It just didn't work. Another bad appointment in our history of many (lately).
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For all his so called faults he was the only one who gave us something to cheer about over the last 7 or so miserable years, albeit it briefly, and as for the comments after the Small Heath win I thought it was funny. So what if he took the piss? Big deal.
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I always took his comments after the sha game to mean that it was a deliberate plan to play more direct and be physical. Somehow that's now become "we meant to play shit".
As for his managerial skills, he doesn't have any beyond being able to motivate players. Once that's gone he has nothing else to offer. A shit John Gregory if you like. And his about turn on the signings was a twat move.
That said, for a short while he made following Villa fun again, and he gave me 2 days i'll never forget. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the club again, but I can't get too worked about him either.
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I always took his comments after the sha game to mean that it was a deliberate plan to play more direct and be physical. Somehow that's now become "we meant to play shit".
As for his managerial skills, he doesn't have any beyond being able to motivate players. Once that's gone he has nothing else to offer. A shit John Gregory if you like. And his about turn on the signings was a twat move.
That said, for a short while he made following Villa fun again, and he gave me 2 days i'll never forget. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the club again, but I can't get too worked about him either.
Could not agree more.
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I agree - it went wrong badly but for a few months we were genuinely good to watch again and we won games. The performance in the semi-final ranks up there in terms of great modern-day performances. in the words of the Guardian, "Aston Villa were magnificent".
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Ok, that helps. Thanks.
Sometimes we just don't come across as very classy. Less and less so to be honest. But it's something we always try to claim to be, but frankly this sort of stuff is no better than you'd expect from the noses.
I'm still uncertain how much of this response is sarcastic or self-reflective about your own posting.
My take.
I felt surprised/confused by the warmth he got when in the stand at Brentford, those London lions around me equally.
I aspire to be kind, so equally I'm not going to boo him.
Life was mixed. It was the most curious of phases. So was the response. Many of us didn't cheer him.
Those months:
I experienced unmitigated joy, wondrous Villa moments with my Dad I'll never forget, West Brom 'the please exit & go to Wembley' on the screens in the Holte; then the best day out in a long time, a perfect, sweet sweet day.
I also saw the wheels fall off horribly, that familiar humiliation of getting battered at Southampton, suspending that concern with my high octane adult obsession with the Villa piquing with an FA cup final *while I'm in the country*.
Then deflation, abject humiliation, to the point I pretty much block out memories of that day. I remember seeing an effigy of him carried aloft as we went up the escalator into the stands on cup final day. I'd waited all my life for that moment. Perhaps we are still living with its impact.
And so it seems, yes Gregory-lite, a simple motivator, perhaps beyond adding confidence and taking away inhibition, maybe there is little substance. Let him *build* a team low down in the pyramid, let him earn our respect, I'd be delighted to give it to him. Will he do that? (!)
Otherwise he may remain accused an opportunist without substance, to put it more politely.
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My metaphor for him will always be that he was like a passed by why gave a starving man a bottle of whisky. We drank and were deliriously happy for a short time. Then we died.
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beautifully put brian. I think.
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And so it seems, yes Gregory-lite, a simple motivator, perhaps beyond adding confidence and taking away inhibition, maybe there is little substance. Let him *build* a team low down in the pyramid, let him earn our respect, I'd be delighted to give it to him. Will he do that? (!)
Judging by Swindon's results since he got there, no.
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This thread title pisses me off. Just because someone may not be up to our high standards doesn't make them a chancer. He's been given some opportunities and had a crack a them, with some success and some bad times. Why does that make him a chancer?
A chancer is someone who exploits any opportunity for his own benefit, even if that's to the detriment of other parties. Sherwood is the very definition of a chancer. His entire coaching and managerial career is littered with examples of his craven chancery. Like when he set us up perfectly for a dismal relegation then blamed his ineptitude on players he denied wanting, only weeks after telling the world how clever he was to have signed them. The man is a self-serving gobshite. Probably the biggest chancer we've had, and considering we had Lambert that's no mean feat.
Agree - and got his mates in the media, Shearer, Sutton and Lineker to reset the narrative as the wheels were coming off
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''What is a Tim Sherwood side?''
''A winning one''
Thanks for that insight Dim.
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I am still confused as to why he didn't get the England job given that so many of his media buddies thought he was the best thing ever when we were in the doldrums and he was being so unfairly treated.
Jennas, I'm looking at you...twat !!!!!
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In his post-match report, Mr Brown wrote:
After the half time whistle, and as I was walking down the tunnel Tim Sherwood of Swindon Town approached me and said “you’re the only f***** in the ground that’s f****** seen it you f****** mug.
I told him to calm down and stop pointing at me or he’d be sitting in the stands for the second half.
He then continued: “I wasn’t even in the dugout you f****** mug and you would be doing me a favour.”
I told him I wanted to speak to him at my dressing room but he ignored me and walked off towards the Swindon changing room.
Tim Sherwood takes to the dugout
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I followed him and stood outside and told the coaching staff I wanted Mr Sherwood to come outside as I needed to speak to him.
After approximately 45 seconds Mr Sherwood walked out and walked past me and I informed him that he would be reported for his comments towards me.
His reply was: “F*** off you mug.”
I then entered my dressing room area and informed the stewards of my decision and that if Mr Sherwood tries to come down into the technical area he shouldn’t be allowed.
Swindon are seven points adrift at the bottom of the League 1 table with seven games to play.
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Honestly, I love it.
Love when referees get a good ribbing.
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I think managers should be allowed to punch them. That would improve the game no end.
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My metaphor for him will always be that he was like a passer by who gave a starving man a bottle of whisky. We drank and were deliriously happy for a short time. Then we died.
You are a literary genius, Brian. I look forward to your autobiography!
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Mugged off.
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My metaphor for him will always be that he was like a passer by who gave a starving man a bottle of whisky. We drank and were deliriously happy for a short time. Then we died.
You are a literary genius, Brian. I look forward to your autobiography!
The cup final was akin to the moment the homeless man woke up and realised he had pissed in his only sleeping bag....
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Honestly, I love it.
Love when referees get a good ribbing.
That's not ribbing the referee. That's just being a childish ******. And childish ****** like that are the reason why there are no referees left to ref grass roots games.
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Honestly, I love it.
Love when referees get a good ribbing.
That's not ribbing the referee. That's just being a childish c***. And childish c***s like that are the reason why there are no referees left to ref grass roots games.
Yep - couldn't agree more with you LeeB
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It's quite telling that Swindon hadn't won in six games before his ban. They won both matches when he wasn't there, his ban ends and they lose four in a row. Hilarious.
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Honestly, I love it.
Love when referees get a good ribbing.
That's not ribbing the referee. That's just being a childish c***. And childish c***s like that are the reason why there are no referees left to ref grass roots games.
I'm a ref in the local leagues ... although admittedly, it is the Harrogate rather than the Leeds league.
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Honestly, I love it.
Love when referees get a good ribbing.
That's not ribbing the referee. That's just being a childish c***. And childish c***s like that are the reason why there are no referees left to ref grass roots games.
Yep - couldn't agree more with you LeeB
I'd love it if villadelph were to ref a kids match or Sunday league game and get a 'good ribbing'.
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Honestly, I love it.
Love when referees get a good ribbing.
That's not ribbing the referee. That's just being a childish c***. And childish c***s like that are the reason why there are no referees left to ref grass roots games.
Yep - couldn't agree more with you LeeB
There was something recently about John Sheridan when he was at Notts County. The chairman I think got rid of him due to a run in with a ref.
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Honestly, I love it.
Love when referees get a good ribbing.
That's not ribbing the referee. That's just being a childish c***. And childish c***s like that are the reason why there are no referees left to ref grass roots games.
Yep - couldn't agree more with you LeeB
There was something recently about John Sheridan when he was at Notts County. The chairman I think got rid of him due to a run in with a ref.
Full story here. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39268890) Don't know the first thing about Alan Hardy, but I very much like his stance on this. Could do with a few more people in football with a similar view.
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It's quite telling that Swindon hadn't won in six games before his ban. They won both matches when he wasn't there, his ban ends and they lose four in a row. Hilarious.
His magic touch continues. He didn't turn up to their last match and, guess what? They won. 1 point out of 30 while he's there, 9 out of 9 in his absence. He really is the kiss of death.
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Swindon and Sherwood can do one. Ever since that league cup tie with them when their fans wet themselves over Di Canio's ''hilarious'' antics after we'd won I've disliked them.
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Swindon and Sherwood can do one. Ever since that league cup tie with them when their fans wet themselves over Di Canio's ''hilarious'' antics after we'd won I've disliked them.
Did the Swindon cup tie come before Di Canio had the misfortune to come to Villa Park as manager of Sunderland?
If so I'd say the 38,000 on a SKY MNF game who were present at the 6-1 demolition of them and abuse directed at him showed you're not alone!
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Swindon and Sherwood can do one. Ever since that league cup tie with them when their fans wet themselves over Di Canio's ''hilarious'' antics after we'd won I've disliked them.
Did the Swindon cup tie come before Di Canio had the misfortune to come to Villa Park as manager of Sunderland?
If so I'd say the 38,000 on a SKY MNF game who were present at the 6-1 demolition of them and abuse directed at him showed you're not alone!
I think we definitely had the last laugh at Di Canios expense, after his pathetic attempts to wind us up at Swindon, didn't he come out with a load of stuff before the 6-1 which blew up in his face? Something about Madonna wasn't it?
Best chant at Swindon was the "you're only here for the Speedway".
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Great night baiting that fascist clown.
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Swindon are down. And to the surprise of absolutely no-one, despite having said at his press conference when appointed he would have the final say on tactics, transfers and picking the team, it's nothing to do with Tim.
Swindon Observer
Tim Sherwood puts blame firmly on Swindon Town players following relegation to League Two
Sherwood remains non-committal on future at Swindon Town
SWINDON Town director of football Tim Sherwood has further distanced himself from the club following their relegation to League Two yesterday.
Despite being hailed by owner Lee Power as ‘one of the biggest appointments the club has ever made’ when the former Tottenham Hotspur and Aston Villa manager was revealed in front of the local and national media back in November, Sherwood has admitted that it was never a job for him.
Sherwood, who said at the press conference back in November that he would have the final say on transfers, tactics and picking the team, told Sky Sports’ Goals on Sunday programme today that he believed that he had kept up his end of the bargain, with the club recruiting eight players, six on loan, in January to get them out of trouble.
At that time, Swindon were outside of the relegation zone but four wins in 16 games since the turn of February was not enough to prevent Town dropping into League Two on Saturday, following their 2-1 defeat at home to Scunthorpe United, with the 48-year-old, who is not under contract at the County Ground, pointing the finger firmly at the players.
“It wasn't a job for me,” said Sherwood, who has been 'off limits' to the local media since his appointment.
“I helped him (Lee Power) out. I wasn't getting paid to do it.
“I was in there to try to put some deals together, to try to find some players for him. I managed to do it but unfortunately it wasn't good enough in the end.
“I went in to try to recruit them some players in January - they were already in a bit of a mess - to see if I could get them out of trouble. I managed to bring in seven players but unfortunately it wasn't good enough.”
“They've taken a step backwards but I think (Power) is passionate. If the players were as passionate and had the drive of the owner and the chairman then they wouldn't be relegated.”
With regard to Sherwood’s own future at the club, it remains unclear at this stage, with Power saying after Saturday’s game that he would sit down with his former teammate at Norwich and discuss how they move forward.
However, Sherwood, who has firmly taken a back seat at the club to take care of ‘other business’ according to Power, giving the reins back to head coach Luke Williams in February, remains non-committal.
“I don't know yet,” he added.
“I went in there in that period just to help him out in the short term.
“For four weeks I was in there every day and then I've been at a few games since that time,' he said.
“It's a real shame because over the last month or two the fans have been fantastic.
“I've been to a few of the away games and the travelling support have really tried to galvanise the team but unfortunately everyone has fallen short.”
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Tim Sherwood has been sacked by Swindon as Manager-Director of Football after seven months in charge. Getting them relegated from League 2 must bring his managerial career to an end, but why did we appoint him in the first place? The blame must be with then CEO Fox, who told the Trust members that while he knew nothing about football, he had been to see Sherwood and his family and liked his four delightful daughters. I have not been to a trust meeting since.
Villa is one of the hardest clubs in Europe to manage, and no Villa manager since Joe Mercer has gone on to better himself - and Mercer had the mad genius of Macolm Allison to do the work with the players. The number two is always crucial. The men who can't manage but can coach, ROn Saunders had Tony Barton, Vic Crowe had Ron Wylie. The two best managers since the sixties, both had good back up. I still haven't worked out whether Bruce's number 2 is doing the business.
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I don't think I want to look too closely at Bruce's Number 2 thanks
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why not? Who is he for heavens sake? He is the guy speaking to him about substitutions on the bench during games, so surely we should know more about him?
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why not? Who is he for heavens sake? He is the guy speaking to him about substitutions on the bench during games, so surely we should know more about him?
Whooosh!!!!
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We have only been going through the motions.
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Villa is one of the hardest clubs in Europe to manage, and no Villa manager since Joe Mercer has gone on to better himself
What about Sir Graham?
England job went to shit in the end, yes, but he went from Villa into one of the most prestigious jobs around.
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why not? Who is he for heavens sake? He is the guy speaking to him about substitutions on the bench during games, so surely we should know more about him?
I think he's shit.
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Come on guys...i'd have expected something 'movement' related already....
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Villa is one of the hardest clubs in Europe to manage, and no Villa manager since Joe Mercer has gone on to better himself
What about Sir Graham?
England job went to shit in the end, yes, but he went from Villa into one of the most prestigious jobs around.
Tommy Docherty.
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yes I accept Tommy Docherty, its something I keep forgetting as his reign here was so awful its still like having a gift of a ROlls Royce and finding the brakes don't work
WIth Graham Taylor, a truly excellent club manager and an honourable man who was prepared to communicate with fans, the England job was an appointment which should never have been made. It destroyed him and led to appalling abuse from the Sun and other tabloids. He was never the same again.
But I accept both managers went to higher things, and though unlike Mercer neither won the League, fair comment, both did well and I am happy to acknowledge this.
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Docherty is the only manager to relegate Man Utd in the last 80 years.
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An achievement for which he should have been knighted.
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Bloody hell. He really is Redknapp's protegee. Mind you at least Redknapp waits until he's actually employed by someone before he starts talking to the press about other clubs players.
Tim Sherwood has warned Aston Villa that he’s coming to get teenage star Andre Green once he takes his next job.
The former Villa boss drafted a number of the club’s promising young talents into the first team during his eight month stint in charge at Villa Park.
In fact, it was Sherwood who plucked Green from Villa’s youth team and introduced him into the first team squad before his successor Remi Garde handed him his debut against Spurs in March last year.
Jack Grealish and Rushian Hepburn-Murphy were also brought into the senior picture under Sherwood.
And the 48-year-old has outlined his intentions to link up with Green again when he makes his return to management.
Sherwood said: “If I was to go and get a job, certainly he’d be one I’d be coming to take.
“Andre has got an attitude to die for and he needs to continue that. He’s a man already and he’s got so much in the locker there.
“He can play centre-forward, he can play off the left. Andre Green has got a massive future.”
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I guess we'll never find out whether he meant this since his chances of getting another job are zero.
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I guess we'll never find out whether he meant this since his chances of getting another job are zero.
The fact he even thinks he can get another job says all you need to know about him.
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" Tim Sherwood has warned Aston Villa that he’s coming to get teenage star Andre Green once he takes his next job."
Does this count as tapping up?
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The question is wether Green would move to a team that play on Hackney Marshes.
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" Tim Sherwood has warned Aston Villa that he’s coming to get teenage star Andre Green once he takes his next job."
Does this count as tapping up?
No, it means that Sherwood has applied to be a taxi driver.
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Oh, I bet Andre can't wait. Mate, you just got sacked by fucking Swindon.
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Jaysus lads, don't be so precious. Take it as a compliment. I'm sure Greeny would.
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Perhaps he thinks Andre has a nice phone manner and will be an asset for his property business.
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" Tim Sherwood has warned Aston Villa that he’s coming to get teenage star Andre Green once he takes his next job."
Does this count as tapping up?
No, it means that Sherwood has applied to be a taxi driver.
Very good
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I'm filing this under another rent-a-quote from this chancer.
I should think Andre will regard this as nothing more than just a passing compliment from someone who played a very minor role in his promising career.
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For someone who for a short period brought back to the Villa to Aston and lead us to a cup final, there are an awful lot of sour comments towards Tim Sherwood. Fair enough he failed to cut it in his 2nd season, but he lost 4 key players. Sherwood did not have the financial backing as RDM and Steve Bruce had (some will probably praise be to god for that) and he did make mistakes along the way with personnel such as Richards, Lescott and Wilkins as his assistant.
A few of his games were terrific performances, namely Liverpool in the cup, second half v olbion in the cup and the league, Everton, Spurs away and Sunderland away.
Was he any worse than the likes of RDM, Garde, Bruce, not in my book.
Sherwood did not take us down the death warrant had already been signed.
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Correct.
Good post.
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For someone who for a short period brought back to the Villa to Aston and lead us to a cup final, there are an awful lot of sour comments towards Tim Sherwood. Fair enough he failed to cut it in his 2nd season, but he lost 4 key players. Sherwood did not have the financial backing as RDM and Steve Bruce had (some will probably praise be to god for that) and he did make mistakes along the way with personnel such as Richards, Lescott and Wilkins as his assistant.
A few of his games were terrific performances, namely Liverpool in the cup, second half v olbion in the cup and the league, Everton, Spurs away and Sunderland away.
Was he any worse than the likes of RDM, Garde, Bruce, not in my book.
Sherwood did not take us down the death warrant had already been signed.
The rot started with McLeish and carried on under Lambert (who I think we should have got rid of earlier). We appointed Garde when we needed a Redknapp, Pulis, Warnock fire fighter character. We needed the fire fighter Red Adair and got the comedian/actor Red Buttons
To be fair to Sherwood he kept us up and got us to the cup final. I think he could of been given more time. I think Di Matteo could have been given more time. I think Bruce deserves more time.
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"Got us to a cup final" is loser talk. It doesn't matter unless you win it. Plenty of managers could've kept us up from the position Lambert left us in. Very few would've done so badly as to virtually guarantee relegation by November, the following season.
He should've been sacked earlier. Di Matteo should've been sacked earlier. Bruce should've been sacked by now.
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Was he any worse than the likes of RDM, Garde, Bruce, not in my book.
Probably not, on balance. But then it's easy to find plenty of "sour comments" about all of them as well, so it's no great surprise that Sherwood also attracts them.
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He did better than expected as far as the tail end of 2014/15 is concerned.
With £50+ million to spend and a full pre season to get across his ideas, he failed miserably. The blag and bluster had lost its impact by then.
If you choose to excuse him from for our woefulness that season, it suggests no one else who took on the job could have possiby done better. That our fate was all but assured. Yet Allardyce kept Sunderland up, who -at the time he arrived- were in a more precarious position than us.
Signing dunderheads like Richards, Lescott, Gestede and Wilkins all played pivotal roles in our shitness, and Tactics Tim couldn't integrate the few talented players we did sign that summer. He doesn't get a pass from me.
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He deliberately neglected the few talented players we had in favour of the dross he had chosen. An act of vanity that cost the club its position in the top flight. I can forgive him for being shite, but not for that. He can get fucked.
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You do wonder maybe just a little that had he not been such an incompetent cock tactically vs Leicester where our season (and theirs) might have ended up. That was up to the point of collapse a really excellent performance. Still all hindsight and his bullshit and "it's never my fault guv" attitude caught up with him in the end.
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He deliberately neglected the few talented players we had in favour of the dross he had chosen. An act of vanity that cost the club its position in the top flight. I can forgive him for being shite, but not for that. He can get fucked.
Unfortunately this is an opinion and not fact.
Being sacked In September doesn't hold the relegation at his door either.
And getting "fucked" is a wow 😳.
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I think there may be a lazy perception amongst the media and other clubs fans that none of our managers after MON and GH had backing and never stood a chance. But they haven't exactly gone on to glory elsewhere and made us look stupid for 'supposedly' not backing them/sticking with them.
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He deliberately neglected the few talented players we had in favour of the dross he had chosen. An act of vanity that cost the club its position in the top flight. I can forgive him for being shite, but not for that. He can get fucked.
Unfortunately this is an opinion and not fact.
Being sacked In September doesn't hold the relegation at his door either.
And getting "fucked" is a wow 😳.
It was a disaster when he left. He turned an outstanding opportunity into a farce. He divided the dressing room and pointed fingers at everyone else. The man was poison. While relegation wasn't a certainty he played a huge role in the club getting to that point. By the time Garde arrived most of the damage was done.
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He deliberately neglected the few talented players we had in favour of the dross he had chosen. An act of vanity that cost the club its position in the top flight. I can forgive him for being shite, but not for that. He can get fucked.
Unfortunately this is an opinion and not fact.
Being sacked In September doesn't hold the relegation at his door either.
And getting "fucked" is a wow 😳.
It was a disaster when he left. He turned an outstanding opportunity into a farce. He divided the dressing room and pointed fingers at everyone else. The man was poison. While relegation wasn't a certainty he played a huge role in the club getting to that point. By the time Garde arrived most of the damage was done.
All opinions, he wasn't poison when he kept us up and got to a cup final.
And we know he split the dressing room with which quotes from someone inside it?
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He deliberately neglected the few talented players we had in favour of the dross he had chosen. An act of vanity that cost the club its position in the top flight. I can forgive him for being shite, but not for that. He can get fucked.
Unfortunately this is an opinion and not fact.
Being sacked In September doesn't hold the relegation at his door either.
And getting "fucked" is a wow 😳.
It was a disaster when he left. He turned an outstanding opportunity into a farce. He divided the dressing room and pointed fingers at everyone else. The man was poison. While relegation wasn't a certainty he played a huge role in the club getting to that point. By the time Garde arrived most of the damage was done.
All opinions, he wasn't poison when he kept us up and got to a cup final.
And we know he split the dressing room with which quotes from someone inside it?
Tim? Is that you?
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That's a new one, when someone disagrees ask if it's he person being defended.
You are unique.
Any quotes?
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Here's a fact. He's won 8 of his last 42 games as a manager. Although he wasn't a manager at Swindon, he just decided which players they bought and sold and chose their starting 11, formation and tactics.
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I think the easiest way to split a dressing room is to have it full of an under pressure manager, under pressure coaches and players both under pressure and losing every week. I would suggest for quite a while our dressing room was not a fun place to be for anyone involved.
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Here's a fact. He's won 8 of his last 42 games as a manager. Although he wasn't a manager at Swindon, he just decided which players they bought and sold and chose their starting 11, formation and tactics.
I'm sure he would deny that in the same way he distances himself from any transfer business conducted while he was with us.
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This was my view on him a few months ago, it hasn't changed.
I always took his comments after the sha game to mean that it was a deliberate plan to play more direct and be physical. Somehow that's now become "we meant to play shit".
As for his managerial skills, he doesn't have any beyond being able to motivate players. Once that's gone he has nothing else to offer. A shit John Gregory if you like. And his about turn on the signings was a twat move.
That said, for a short while he made following Villa fun again, and he gave me 2 days i'll never forget. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the club again, but I can't get too worked about him either.
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That's a new one, when someone disagrees ask if it's he person being defended.
You are unique.
Any quotes?
I really can't be arsed to find quotes. He was a cock. Call it an opinion if you want. I'm calling it a fact. When we signed players in the summer he was all for it. When things went to shit they weren't his players. He split the dressing room into English "lads" vs foreigners. He sewed the seeds that led to out relegation. His record in the end was simply horrific. And worse of you combine it with the way we ended the previous season.
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Here's a fact. He's won 8 of his last 42 games as a manager. Although he wasn't a manager at Swindon, he just decided which players they bought and sold and chose their starting 11, formation and tactics.
And that's relevant to Aston Villa how?
People saying he split the dressing room, is poison etc is daft talk and silly.
Will always be grateful to Tim for that Semi Final and keeping us up.
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That's a new one, when someone disagrees ask if it's he person being defended.
You are unique.
Any quotes?
I really can't be arsed to find quotes. He was a cock. Call it an opinion if you want. I'm calling it a fact. When we signed players in the summer he was all for it. When things went to shit they weren't his players. He split the dressing room into English "lads" vs foreigners. He sewed the seeds that led to out relegation. His record in the end was simply horrific. And worse of you combine it with the way we ended the previous season.
How convenient.
Calling someone a cock is subjective and something I expect to hear from th chavs in my local...and I can quote them.
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That's a new one, when someone disagrees ask if it's he person being defended.
You are unique.
Any quotes?
I really can't be arsed to find quotes. He was a cock. Call it an opinion if you want. I'm calling it a fact. When we signed players in the summer he was all for it. When things went to shit they weren't his players. He split the dressing room into English "lads" vs foreigners. He sewed the seeds that led to out relegation. His record in the end was simply horrific. And worse of you combine it with the way we ended the previous season.
How convenient.
Calling someone a cock is subjective and something I expect to hear from th chavs in my local...and I can quote them.
You'll always be grateful to Tim?
Jesus. H. Christ. Get a grip.
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This is a real debate on the subject of Tim, yes? Not like that pretend one me and PeterW had about Mr Men on another thread?
It's a brave man that attempts to absolve Tim of blame in our demise, especially if it's not Tim himself.
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yep extremely grateful, get a grip of your quoting it's all over the gaff.
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Here's a fact. He's won 8 of his last 42 games as a manager. Although he wasn't a manager at Swindon, he just decided which players they bought and sold and chose their starting 11, formation and tactics.
And that's relevant to Aston Villa how?
People saying he split the dressing room, is poison etc is daft talk and silly.
Will always be grateful to Tim for that Semi Final and keeping us up.
Well it indicates he's not very good so Aston Villa were right to sack him as things wouldn't have improved. So that's how it's relevant.
As for the rest, there was a fair bit of stuff around at the time that the dressing room was split, especially the new signings. I'm sure you can find it if you want.
Talking of facts, while you're here you can answer this for me.
2 top four consecutive finishes wasn't too shabby.
When was that then?
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Enlighten me on the subject of the comment please?
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yep extremely grateful, get a grip of your quoting it's all over the gaff.
Capital letter to begin a sentence and a full stop rather than comma. Happy to help. Get a grip.
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Here's a fact. He's won 8 of his last 42 games as a manager. Although he wasn't a manager at Swindon, he just decided which players they bought and sold and chose their starting 11, formation and tactics.
And that's relevant to Aston Villa how?
People saying he split the dressing room, is poison etc is daft talk and silly.
Will always be grateful to Tim for that Semi Final and keeping us up.
Well it indicates he's not very good so Aston Villa were right to sack him as things wouldn't have improved. So that's how it's relevant.
As for the rest, there was a fair bit of stuff around at the time that the dressing room was split, especially the new signings. I'm sure you can find it if you want.
Talking of facts, while you're here you can answer this for me.
2 top four consecutive finishes wasn't too shabby.
When was that then?
Bottom line is you don't and no one knows if things would have improved, secondly, "loads of
Things flying around"...are you seriously giving that as evidence??
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yep extremely grateful, get a grip of your quoting it's all over the gaff.
Capital letter to begin a sentence and a full stop rather than comma. Happy to help. Get a grip.
And the grammar copper has sealed the argument.
Bet you were the milk monitor at school.
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Might be worth remembering that I haven't claimed they are true, you asked me about something I hadn't even mentioned. I simply answered it with what I remembered.
The question was you defending Ellis and one of your facts was we finished 4th 2 years running. I asked when that was.
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yep extremely grateful, get a grip of your quoting it's all over the gaff.
Capital letter to begin a sentence and a full stop rather than comma. Happy to help. Get a grip.
And the grammar copper has sealed the argument.
Bet you were the milk monitor at school.
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Might be worth remembering that I haven't claimed they are true, you asked me about something I hadn't even mentioned. I simply answered it with what I remembered.
The question was you defending Ellis and one of your facts was we finished 4th 2 years running. I asked when that was.
I stand corrected from my comment in May, we finished 4th and the following season 5th. Ellis out.
Can't wait for our game against Colchester.
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yep extremely grateful, get a grip of your quoting it's all over the gaff.
Capital letter to begin a sentence and a full stop rather than comma. Happy to help. Get a grip.
And the grammar copper has sealed the argument.
Bet you were the milk monitor at school.
I wasn't scrutinising your grammar, merely pointing out that you quoted the wrong paragraph.
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Here's a fact. He's won 8 of his last 42 games as a manager. Although he wasn't a manager at Swindon, he just decided which players they bought and sold and chose their starting 11, formation and tactics.
And that's relevant to Aston Villa how?
People saying he split the dressing room, is poison etc is daft talk and silly.
Will always be grateful to Tim for that Semi Final and keeping us up.
You'll always be grateful to Tim? Jesus. H. Christ. Get a grip.
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Have you seen the film Rainman?
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I'll always appreciate having 2 of the best Villa days i've ever had thanks to him. I'm also glad we binned him when we did and would never want him employed again in any capacity at VP.
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Have you seen the film Rainman?
Have you seen the film 'Debate Like An Adult or Debate Elsewhere'. Gets mentioned a lot on here.
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He came in and did a good job in picking us up bearing in mind how dire we were under Lambert. He didnt seem to recover from that mauling we got down at Southampton. Not sure why he's still wobbling on about us though.
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Have you seen the film Rainman?
Have you seen the film 'Debate Like An Adult or Debate Elsewhere'. Gets mentioned a lot on here.
Is that on catch up TV?
And Rainman was about a highly intellectual person so I think you may have watched a different film.
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You can either do it or leave. It's a choice we give everyone that posts here, which one you want to do is up to you.
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I'll always appreciate having 2 of the best Villa days i've ever had thanks to him. I'm also glad we binned him when we did and would never want him employed again in any capacity at VP.
I'm no Mystic Meg but with my bookies head on I think you will get your wish about us not employing him again.
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I'll always appreciate having 2 of the best Villa days i've ever had thanks to him. I'm also glad we binned him when we did and would never want him employed again in any capacity at VP.
Three days Peter. You're forgetting the day he got sacked.
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You can either do it or leave. It's a choice we give everyone that posts here, which one you want to do is up to you.
I have debated like an adult, not offended anyone, not insulted anyone, not swore once, if you wish to ban me then use your power...I will leave it up to you.
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I'll always appreciate having 2 of the best Villa days i've ever had thanks to him. I'm also glad we binned him when we did and would never want him employed again in any capacity at VP.
Three days Peter. You're forgetting the day he got sacked.
I was at Spurs and Sunderland away so there are another two you can throw in the hat after we were dead and buried after the Hull debacle. Short memories.
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I'll always appreciate having 2 of the best Villa days i've ever had thanks to him. I'm also glad we binned him when we did and would never want him employed again in any capacity at VP.
Three days Peter. You're forgetting the day he got sacked.
I was at Spurs and Sunderland away so there are another two you can throw in the hat after we were dead and buried after the Hull debacle. Short memories.
He didn't save us from anything. We are languishing in the second tier and his involvement was instrumental in that. You have nothing to be grateful to him for. Unless you are a bit of a loon of course?
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There's a difference between a good, or even great, and enjoyable win, and one of the best days ever following the club imo. Spurs, Sunderland, Everton, even Albion in the last min, were good/great. None would make my best ever Villa days list though, the QF and SF do.
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I'll always appreciate having 2 of the best Villa days i've ever had thanks to him. I'm also glad we binned him when we did and would never want him employed again in any capacity at VP.
Three days Peter. You're forgetting the day he got sacked.
I was at Spurs and Sunderland away so there are another two you can throw in the hat after we were dead and buried after the Hull debacle. Short memories.
He didn't save us from anything. We are languishing in the second tier and his involvement was instrumental in that. You have nothing to be grateful to him for. Unless you are a bit of a loon of course?
I agree. He didn't save us from relegation, he set us up beautifully for it.
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And yes he
I'll always appreciate having 2 of the best Villa days i've ever had thanks to him. I'm also glad we binned him when we did and would never want him employed again in any capacity at VP.
Three days Peter. You're forgetting the day he got sacked.
I was at Spurs and Sunderland away so there are another two you can throw in the hat after we were dead and buried after the Hull debacle. Short memories.
He didn't save us from anything. We are languishing in the second tier and his involvement was instrumental in that. You have nothing to be grateful to him for. Unless you are a bit of a loon of course?
So it's acceptable to be called a loon on this site if your face fits?
And yes he saved us from relegation when we were doomed in February - FACT - sacked in September - relegated how many times with Aston Villa - none - FACT.
FA CUP Finals since 1957 - 2 - one under Timmy - FACT.
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I'll always appreciate having 2 of the best Villa days i've ever had thanks to him. I'm also glad we binned him when we did and would never want him employed again in any capacity at VP.
Three days Peter. You're forgetting the day he got sacked.
I was at Spurs and Sunderland away so there are another two you can throw in the hat after we were dead and buried after the Hull debacle. Short memories.
He didn't save us from anything. We are languishing in the second tier and his involvement was instrumental in that. You have nothing to be grateful to him for. Unless you are a bit of a loon of course?
I agree. He didn't save us from relegation, he set us up beautifully for it.
Because losing Benteke and our main midfielder Delph were his fault....this gets better!!!!
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I'll always appreciate having 2 of the best Villa days i've ever had thanks to him. I'm also glad we binned him when we did and would never want him employed again in any capacity at VP.
Three days Peter. You're forgetting the day he got sacked.
I was at Spurs and Sunderland away so there are another two you can throw in the hat after we were dead and buried after the Hull debacle. Short memories.
He didn't save us from anything. We are languishing in the second tier and his involvement was instrumental in that. You have nothing to be grateful to him for. Unless you are a bit of a loon of course?
I agree. He didn't save us from relegation, he set us up beautifully for it.
Because losing Benteke and our main midfielder Delph were his fault....this gets better!!!!
Not from you it doesn't. FACT!
By the way, what does your name mean? Only it looks almost like an insult often aimed at Villa fans. Apologies if you've been asked before.
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If admin have vetted me and deem me acceptable then I do not need to answer to anyone else.
PM me and I will explain, apologies not necessary.
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The strength of Aston Villa fans are snobs or nobs (?) argument is compelling. I'm doing a 180. Tim was incredible. He gave me some of my best days. I completely absolve him of any responsibility for our slide into obscurity. Our loss is another club's gain.
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His username is fine so leave it there please.
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Managerial appointments since MON. A man out of club management and English football for a while who also had health issues, a man who got the other team in the City relegated, a man who had back to back promotions followed by Premier League survival on his CV. I wasn't as excited as most people about him but at least I saw the logic behind that one. A rookie manager with an average managerial record, a French manager with an average managerial record who hadn't managed in England before (at a time we were in a relegation battle). At least Di Matteo and Bruce have seemed to have some logic behind their appointments.
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The strength of Aston Villa fans are snobs or nobs (?) argument is compelling. I'm doing a 180. Tim was incredible. He gave me some of my best days. I completely absolve him of any responsibility for our slide into obscurity. Our loss is another club's gain.
Despite my poor grammar, as you have rightly highlighted ;) = even I know Knobs is spelt with a K!! ;)
And yes we are snobs, that's what I like to feel puts AVFC above most clubs on this planet because of our history and fan decorum.
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Of course, PWS, absolutely, I don't really need an explanation and I wasn't questioning the ability of the mods to run this forum. The goading tone just made me suspicious. I'll leave it there, happily.
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Is it possible to say that he kept us up against the odds, gave us two of our best days in recent years then made a total balls up of the rebuilding that had to be done that summer, even taking into account the coalition of chaos then in charge?
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The strength of Aston Villa fans are snobs or nobs (?) argument is compelling. I'm doing a 180. Tim was incredible. He gave me some of my best days. I completely absolve him of any responsibility for our slide into obscurity. Our loss is another club's gain.
Despite my poor grammar, as you have rightly highlighted ;) = even I know Knobs is spelt with a K!! ;)
And yes we are snobs, that's what I like to feel puts AVFC above most clubs on this planet because of our history and fan decorum.
'Fan Decorum'. You should Trademark that. Could be a big selling aftershave in the club shop. Clearly you couldn't sell it to noses as they don't understand the word or know how to spell it.
They struggle with the spelling/meaning of the word 'fan' so they have no chance when it comes to the word 'decorum.' ;)
Plus obviously they don't even buy soap so there is no way you could sell them aftershave.
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I think that Sherwood was exactly what we need when he was appointed. I think sometimes we forget how bad things were when he arrived. Pretty much everyone thought we were down after that Hull defeat and 'performance'. We needed a cocky fecker to come in and use enthusiasm and cockiness etc to lift everything, players and fans. It sounds stupid now but his "A sherwood team wins" kind of guff was needed.
I also think he was exactly what we didn't need to be in charge at the start of the following season.
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I think that Sherwood was exactly what we need when he was appointed. I think sometimes we forget how bad things were when he arrived. Pretty much everyone thought we were down after that Hull defeat and 'performance'. We needed a cocky fecker to come in and use enthusiasm and cockiness etc to lift everything, players and fans. It sounds stupid now but his "A sherwood team wins" kind of guff was needed.
I also think he was exactly what we didn't need to be in charge at the start of the following season.
Can't argue with that at all.
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Here's a fact. He's won 8 of his last 42 games as a manager. Although he wasn't a manager at Swindon, he just decided which players they bought and sold and chose their starting 11, formation and tactics.
And that's relevant to Aston Villa how?
People saying he split the dressing room, is poison etc is daft talk and silly.
Will always be grateful to Tim for that Semi Final and keeping us up.
You'll always be grateful to Tim? Jesus. H. Christ. Get a grip.
Well he was partly responsible for the only bright spots over the last miserable 7 years or so.
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He came in and did a good job in picking us up bearing in mind how dire we were under Lambert. He didnt seem to recover from that mauling we got down at Southampton. Not sure why he's still wobbling on about us though.
Probably because he gets asked questions by the press.
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I think that Sherwood was exactly what we need when he was appointed. I think sometimes we forget how bad things were when he arrived. Pretty much everyone thought we were down after that Hull defeat and 'performance'. We needed a cocky fecker to come in and use enthusiasm and cockiness etc to lift everything, players and fans. It sounds stupid now but his "A sherwood team wins" kind of guff was needed.
I also think he was exactly what we didn't need to be in charge at the start of the following season.
I absolutely agree but a manager (and he was a permanent manager, not a caretaker) who has kept a basket case of a club up and got them to a cup final is pretty much nailed on to be in charge when the next season starts.
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Well yes, you couldn't really sack him after that.
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He came in and did a good job in picking us up bearing in mind how dire we were under Lambert. He didnt seem to recover from that mauling we got down at Southampton. Not sure why he's still wobbling on about us though.
Probably because he gets asked questions by the press.
I'm not sure he was asked at the Belfry which Villa player he'd like to tap up.
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Well yes, you couldn't really sack him after that.
At least not until five months later obviously. ;)
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He came in and did a good job in picking us up bearing in mind how dire we were under Lambert. He didnt seem to recover from that mauling we got down at Southampton. Not sure why he's still wobbling on about us though.
Probably because he gets asked questions by the press.
I'm not sure he was asked at the Belfry which Villa player he'd like to tap up.
A bit OTT considering he's not even in a job.
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He came in and did a good job in picking us up bearing in mind how dire we were under Lambert. He didnt seem to recover from that mauling we got down at Southampton. Not sure why he's still wobbling on about us though.
Probably because he gets asked questions by the press.
I'm not sure he was asked at the Belfry which Villa player he'd like to tap up.
The way our lot have performed in recent years if you asked a manager which Villa player he wanted to tap up he would just laugh and walk away.
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He came in and did a good job in picking us up bearing in mind how dire we were under Lambert. He didnt seem to recover from that mauling we got down at Southampton. Not sure why he's still wobbling on about us though.
Probably because he gets asked questions by the press.
I'm not sure he was asked at the Belfry which Villa player he'd like to tap up.
A bit OTT considering he's not even in a job.
Which makes saying he wants him even more bizarre. If he'd been asked "what young players do you rate" and he'd said "I really like Andre Green at Villa", that's one thing. Saying he wants to sign him is another.
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He came in and did a good job in picking us up bearing in mind how dire we were under Lambert. He didnt seem to recover from that mauling we got down at Southampton. Not sure why he's still wobbling on about us though.
Probably because he gets asked questions by the press.
I'm not sure he was asked at the Belfry which Villa player he'd like to tap up.
A bit OTT considering he's not even in a job.
Which makes saying he wants him even more bizarre.
Perhaps it was tongue in cheek?
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I added a bit to my post. This is what he said, if he hadn't said the first sentence I doubt many would be bothered.
Sherwood said: “If I was to go and get a job, certainly he’d be one I’d be coming to take.
“Andre has got an attitude to die for and he needs to continue that. He’s a man already and he’s got so much in the locker there.
“He can play centre-forward, he can play off the left. Andre Green has got a massive future.”
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I added a bit to my post. This is what he said, if he hadn't said the first sentence I doubt many would be bothered.
Sherwood said: “If I was to go and get a job, certainly he’d be one I’d be coming to take.
“Andre has got an attitude to die for and he needs to continue that. He’s a man already and he’s got so much in the locker there.
“He can play centre-forward, he can play off the left. Andre Green has got a massive future.”
Just sounds like he's complimenting him to me. Nothing to get annoyed about anyway.
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Also if Andre Green is that good he isn't going to sign for a club managed by Tim Sherwood.
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https://twitter.com/TheAVFCFaithful/status/89672918
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Gone. Whatever it was.
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https://twitter.com/TheAVFCFaithful/status/89672918
Fails to mention that he was raving about these same players until we started losing.
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https://twitter.com/TheAVFCFaithful/status/89672918
Going on about having players signed for him by students who knew nothing about the game. Fails to mention that he was raving about these same players until we started losing.
https://www.soccerwho.com/tim-sherwood-suggests-he-made-harry-kane-slams-aston-villa-videos/
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https://twitter.com/TheAVFCFaithful/status/89672918
Fails to mention that he was raving about these same players until we started losing.
And that pretty much all of them are now playing for better teams than us.
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He really is a lying twunt. When we signed a lot of those players he apparently didn't want he was banging on about having being after them and watching them for ages.
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It was always said by the club that Sherwood had the final say on any players that were bought in.
He's such a great manager, that he decided not to manage a Premier League club but present on African tv instead.
Large pinches of salt required.
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I doubt there's a queue of clubs banging on his door wanting him as their manager.
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It was always said by the club that Sherwood had the final say on any players that were bought in.
He's such a great manager, that he decided not to manage a Premier League club but present on African tv instead.
Large pinches of salt required.
He's been watching that African Tv channel for years you know. Real up and coming station.
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It was always said by the club that Sherwood had the final say on any players that were bought in.
He's such a great manager, that he decided not to manage a Premier League club but present on African tv instead.
Large pinches of salt required.
He's been watching that African Tv channel for years you know. Real up and coming station.
He didn't want to work for African TV. That decision was forced on him. ;)
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He must kick himself that he blew it here. He'll never get a better job. Just like his closest comparison, John Gregory soon realised he was a fool for resigning at the Villa. As for Paul ''I told Randy to sack me. I begged him!!!" Lambert...pfft, another one hoist by his own petard. The compo from the Villa probably makes them feel better about themselves. At least McLeish was a gent. Digression, apologies.
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There are people on twitter calling for him to be given another chance with us. This makes me feel uneasy.
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I think it is to play in our geriatric midfield.
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Isn't he largely right?
Harry Kane hardly played under AVB. Sherwood gave him some starts in the premier league towards the end of 13/14.
I'm pretty sure in our bizzare transfer policy of summer 2015 it was said in one of the papers Jordan Ayew and Adama were the only ones Sherwood had actively targeted.
The rest were from Paddy Riley playing championship manager...sorry using moneyball or whatever system it's called.
That's not to say his transfer policy would've been much better though. We started that summer being linked to Lennon and Huddlestone and he of course signed Lescott and Richards.
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On Amavi
"I'm delighted to have secured the services of someone we consider to be a terrific young player.
"Jordan has been one of the outstanding players in Ligue 1 and is still very young and can become even better.
"There were a lot of clubs after him this summer so we are really pleased to welcome him to the club."
On Rudy
"I've known about Rudy since he was at Cardiff and he is a player I've always admired," said Sherwood.
"His goalscoring ratio last season was fantastic and he is someone who certainly knows how to find the back of the net."
On Gueye
"He's been one of the best young midfielders in France for the last few seasons. A lot of clubs were trying to sign him," said Villa boss Tim Sherwood.
"I believe we are signing a player who is hungry to succeed, is entering what should be his best years and is perfectly suited to the Premier League."
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He probably signed off on those quotes written by one of the press officers. Doubt he said/meant them.
He probably chose Rudy though (along with the two English eejits, Richards and Lescott).
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Well we're up to 5 that we can be pretty sure were 'his' signings, which is a different story to the one he peddles. And I have no doubt he had a final say on the others even if they were recommendations by Riley.
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Ayew and Adama were the only two I remember him saying that he'd followed for years (remember him saying he came across Adama when he was coaching one of the Spurs youth teams).
I'm sure if we'd signed a host of players from France this summer Steve Bruce would've been saying the same things as that's what you do when you get a new signing in the building.
I've already said I doubt Sherwood would've signed better if he had 100% control given the rubbish he came up with from these shores.
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I don't see how it matters, he accepted responsibility for them when they were signed, whether that's true or not doesn't change the fact that slagging them off a couple of months later when you're tactics are shown up as utterly inept is a shitty thing to do.
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I don't think anyone genuinely believes we signed 10 players or so costing about £50m and just said to Sherwood, "here you go we've signed him". Which is the guff Sherwood is suggesting. This is the bloke who said he wasn't manager of Swindon despite picking the team, signing the players etc.
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Alternative facts as Kellyanne Conway would say.
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I would still have him over this twat
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If you have Tim Gobshite in charge you might as well employ the bloke down the pub who thinks he's the dogs bollocks and knows it all who everyone sniggers at behind his back.
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I would still have him over this twat
Me too...I liked him. Bad timing and poor owners.
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Tim Sherwood
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If Sherwood were in charge last season we'd be in League One now.
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He says he knew personally about Rudy. The use of we is key here as a synonym for the club.
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Ultimately I think he's a wanker who will throw anyone under the bus to try and save Tim Sherwood. I have little doubt that if for example Amavi becomes a top player he'll be taking some credit for it.
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Like Donald Trump he talks and acts in the third person. That qualifies in any language a Massive, massive wanker.
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That's certainly not how Sexual Ealing operates.