Thankfully 0% Villa now - Tim Sherwood, chancer extraordinaire

[chrisw1]

Ok, that helps.  Thanks.

Sometimes we just don't come across as very classy.  Less and less so to be honest.  But it's something we always try to claim to be, but frankly this sort of stuff is no better than you'd expect from the noses.

[Chinchilla Bathhouse]

This thread title pisses me off.  Just because someone may not be up to our high standards doesn't make them a chancer.  He's been given some opportunities and had a crack a them, with some success and some bad times.  Why does that make him a chancer?

A chancer is someone who exploits any opportunity for his own benefit, even if that's to the detriment of other parties. Sherwood is the very definition of a chancer.  His entire coaching and managerial career is littered with examples of his craven chancery. Like when he set us up perfectly for a dismal relegation then blamed his ineptitude on players he denied wanting, only weeks after telling the world how clever he was to have signed them. The man is a self-serving gobshite. Probably the biggest chancer we've had, and considering we had Lambert that's no mean feat.

[OzVilla]

Well I was embarrassed by his post match comments following the win over the Noses in the LC. That reeked to high heaven of someone being a chancer.

[LeeB]

This thread title pisses me off.  Just because someone may not be up to our high standards doesn't make them a chancer.  He's been given some opportunities and had a crack a them, with some success and some bad times.  Why does that make him a chancer?

A chancer is someone who exploits any opportunity for his own benefit, even if that's to the detriment of other parties. Sherwood is the very definition of a chancer.  His entire coaching and managerial career is littered with examples of his craven chancery. Like when he set us up perfectly for a dismal relegation then blamed his ineptitude on players he denied wanting, only weeks after telling the world how clever he was to have signed them. The man is a self-serving gobshite. Probably the biggest chancer we've had, and considering we had Lambert that's no mean feat.

Had it not been for his catastrophic input into the sad tale of my beloved club, I'd almost admire his chutzpah.

[Chinchilla Bathhouse]

An excellent example, Oz. Why confess to having got your tactics wrong when you can claim that your tactics were to play badly? Ludicrous bullshit and the work of a grade A chancer in the throes of winging it.

[LeeB]

An excellent example, Oz. Why confess to having got your tactics wrong when you can claim that your tactics were to play badly? Ludicrous bullshit and the work of a grade A chancer in the throes of winging it.

Leicester away.

[brian green]

Added to CB's succinct analysis, Sherwood compounded his venality by seeking and using friends in the media to promote the belief that everything that Sherwood got wrong was the fault of his employers and his colleagues.

[Ian.]

So we can now agree the thread of the title is quite fitting?

[KevinGage]

I'm glad he's long gone and I thought he was a clown, but he did contribute to a brief spell where I enjoyed watching Villa, which is a real rarity in the last 7 years.

Our Darren couldn't have put it better.

Like Houllier and Garde, I do wonder what would have happened had he been able to bring in his first pick as coach/assistant.  They could have done the ugly, tactical stuff and he could have been left to the rabble rousing, be that teamtalks, press conferences or whatever.   I think losing Benteke, Cleverly and Delph and not getting Townsend knocked the stuffing out of him too. He was noticeably quieter after that.

Fat Wilkins on a comedown was about as useful as tits on a bull. Which is what Butch looked like by the time he was 'coaching' us.

[PaulTheVillan]

I'm glad he's long gone and I thought he was a clown, but he did contribute to a brief spell where I enjoyed watching Villa, which is a real rarity in the last 7 years.

Our Darren couldn't have put it better.

Like Houllier and Garde, I do wonder what would have happened had he been able to bring in his first pick as coach/assistant.  They could have done the ugly, tactical stuff and he could have been left to the rabble rousing, be that teamtalks, press conferences or whatever.   I think losing Benteke, Cleverly and Delph and not getting Townsend knocked the stuffing out of him too. He was noticeably quieter after that.

Fat Wilkins on a comedown was about as useful as tits on a bull. Which is what Butch looked like by the time he was 'coaching' us.

Wilkins seemed like a good appointment on paper. Plenty of experience. It just didn't work. Another bad appointment in our history of many (lately).

[saunders_heroes]

For all his so called faults he was the only one who gave us something to cheer about over the last 7 or so miserable years, albeit it briefly, and as for the comments after the Small Heath win I thought it was funny. So what if he took the piss? Big deal.

[PeterWithesShin]

I always took his comments after the sha game to mean that it was a deliberate plan to play more direct and be physical. Somehow that's now become "we meant to play shit".

As for his managerial skills, he doesn't have any beyond being able to motivate players. Once that's gone he has nothing else to offer. A shit John Gregory if you like. And his about turn on the signings was a twat move.

That said, for a short while he made following Villa fun again, and he gave me 2 days i'll never forget. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the club again, but I can't get too worked about him either.

[adrenachrome]

I always took his comments after the sha game to mean that it was a deliberate plan to play more direct and be physical. Somehow that's now become "we meant to play shit".

As for his managerial skills, he doesn't have any beyond being able to motivate players. Once that's gone he has nothing else to offer. A shit John Gregory if you like. And his about turn on the signings was a twat move.

That said, for a short while he made following Villa fun again, and he gave me 2 days i'll never forget. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the club again, but I can't get too worked about him either.

Could not agree more.

[peter w]

I agree - it went wrong badly but for a few months we were genuinely good to watch again and we won games. The performance in the semi-final ranks up there in terms of great modern-day performances. in the words of the Guardian, "Aston Villa were magnificent".

[purpletrousers]

Ok, that helps.  Thanks.

Sometimes we just don't come across as very classy.  Less and less so to be honest.  But it's something we always try to claim to be, but frankly this sort of stuff is no better than you'd expect from the noses.

I'm still uncertain how much of this response is sarcastic or self-reflective about your own posting.

My take.
I felt surprised/confused by the warmth he got when in the stand at Brentford, those London lions around me equally.
I aspire to be kind, so equally I'm not going to boo him.

Life was mixed. It was the most curious of phases. So was the response. Many of us didn't cheer him.

Those months:
I experienced unmitigated joy, wondrous Villa moments with my Dad I'll never forget, West Brom 'the please exit & go to Wembley'  on the screens in the Holte; then the best day out in a long time, a perfect, sweet sweet day.

I also saw the wheels fall off horribly, that familiar humiliation of getting battered at Southampton, suspending that concern with my high octane adult obsession with the Villa piquing with an FA cup final *while I'm in the country*.
Then deflation,  abject humiliation, to the point I pretty much block out memories of that day. I remember seeing an effigy of him carried aloft as we went up the escalator into the stands on cup final day. I'd waited all my life for that moment. Perhaps we are still living with its impact.

And so it seems, yes Gregory-lite, a simple motivator, perhaps beyond adding confidence and taking away inhibition, maybe there is little substance. Let him *build* a team low down in the pyramid, let him earn our respect, I'd be delighted to give it to him. Will he do that? (!)

Otherwise he may remain accused an opportunist without substance, to put it more politely.