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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on August 10, 2016, 09:36:56 PM
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Words fail me.
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Utter shit, get Richards Okore Hutton Gardner oiut of the club ASAP and get some quality in.
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From the second Gardner gave it away we were second best in every department. Wasn't even an unlucky defeat to plucky lower league opposition, the better side won.
The way we collapse is the single biggest thing that needs to change.
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Just when you think it can't get any worse....
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Oh and Micah Richards is an utter disgrace.
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I expect very,very little from this team and the wankers can't even manage that.
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Well that was incredible. Fantastic to see Micah Fucking Richards back in the team. Incredible.
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The likes of Rotherham will be sh1tting themselves...
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A bit early in the season for breaking records isn't it.
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Well, that was remarkable.
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Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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Going off this performance, I think it's best to knock any promotion talk for this season on the head right now.
It's never ever going to happen.
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From the second Gardner gave it away we were second best in every department. Wasn't even an unlucky defeat to plucky lower league opposition, the better side won.
The way we collapse is the single biggest thing that needs to change.
Not just me blaming Gardner then. Sadly not up to it. The wake up call Dr Tony & RDM need to see where new blood is required.
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We can concentrate on league survival now. Fucking rubbish!
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Boot. Human face. Forever.
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Losing to Luton. Oh dear.
I feel like a stuck record, but christ, I despise the mere sight of some of our players.
There's Richards, all chest puffed out-dick.
Okore-always looks like a balloon in agony. Ready to burst.
Hutton-crap tattooed moron. No skill whatsoever.
Gardner-a ready to drool, shit version of his already shit brother.
I fucking hate some of our players. Theyre abysmal. I hope they're absolutely torn to shreds by the fans on Saturday. Abused, ridiculed. It's counter productive apparently. Well, fucking earn your support you piss flaps.
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You owe Ian Holloway an apology Mr Xia. Your comments about him were disgusting and on that evidence his prediction was right. This team is an utter disgrace to the shirt.
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Free to concentrate on the league.
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The only positive I can take from that is that the Doc was there to witness it. He now knows what he has to do if he wants to turn his dream into reality
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Can't we just gag and bind Okore, Hutton, Richards, Gestede, all these shit wankers and throw the ****** in the canal?
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We have a self fulfilling prophecy to conspire to lose week in week out. It's quite extraordinary
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You owe Ian Holloway an apology Mr Xia. Your comments about him were disgusting and on that evidence his prediction was right. This team is an utter disgrace to the shirt.
Boing boing.
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Well folks, we've hit a new low
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What a bunch of mercenaries we have.
Still need to ship six or seven out to cut the malaise of the club.
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I'm my 35 years watching Villa, I don't think I've ever seen a worse central defensive partnership as Richards and Okore in the second half.
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Couple of years ago I'd have been raging at this sort of result...indeed this is pretty much identical to the infamous Bradford first leg.
Not now. I just resign myself to these events that are now happening on a weekly basis.
I just wish the club would sort itself out. New owner who again seems to be naively trusting a manager that "there are good players there" "Good players" who have won about 2 games in the last year.
If ever there's a club that needs a bulldoozer to demolish the mediocrity it's this club. Instead we seem to think the likes of Hutton, Richards, Bacuna and Westwood can be key parts of a promotion challenging team.
Never in a million years.
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You owe Ian Holloway an apology Mr Xia. Your comments about him were disgusting and on that evidence his prediction was right. This team is an utter disgrace to the shirt.
Please fuck off.
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Outfought from 30 mins on.
Defenders who can't defend.
Nothing has changed.
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Words fail me glad I only watched bits of that. Going down Saturday dread to think what it will be like if we go behind.
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Barely got out of our own half in the second period.
Against a 4th division side.
It's still the first week of the season and I thoroughly fucked off already.
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Appalling.
The real purge needs to begin and as soon as possible. We simply cannot continue with Gestede, Richards, Hutton, Baker, Westwood, Bunn, Okore, Bacuna and expect anything other than defeats, the unwinables are trash, broken players with broken mentalities and attitudes.
We need to move another 6 or 7 on and bring in roughly the same. I can't believe we've just finished a game with an almost identical side to the one we had last season that was the worst in our history and a stain on the name of Aston Villa.
Evaluation period over Xia and Di Matteo, they're shit, stop wasting time and continuing the losing habbit, we desperately need a clutch of players and to get rid of the rabble.
Luton were dominant, completely outplayed us.
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We need to dump off all players associated with us prior to RDM joining and have a whole new squad. It's the only way to get rid of this losing mentality.
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And this is exactly why I was saying we needed to win in the pre-match thread, it's now PL15 W0 D1 L14 in our last 15 and any confidence of a new season/owner/manager has gone before our first home game and we go into the Rotherham game bang under pressure.
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Holloway might well be right. We don't even know how to draw never mind win. Up until we made a series of mistakes for the equaliser I thought we would win 3 or 4 nil. One set back against the run of play and its total capitulation and chaos. It's hard to see how we will ever win another game isn't it?
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Well folks, we've hit a new low
I'm sure it will be surpassed before long.
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It would have been slightly more palatable had there been even the slightest indication we made a game of it, but we just spent most of that match pinned inside our own half by a league two team.
We didn't even make Luton work for it.
Just beyond description.
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The same defenders in the second half were majorly responsible for our shit 15/16 season. We need a massive overhaul, can't see many teams lining up to buy Richards, Hutton, Okore, Gardner, Gestede. That was a disgraceful collapse tonight and the lack of quality all over the pitch was abundant.
Dr X get the fucking cheque book out and get us some quality.
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For 20 minutes in that second half it was so bad I genuinely couldn't believe it. All the comments about the quality of players are legit. But they don't explain how bad that was. There are some serious issues of mental fragility in our club.
Gardner was horrible again. Horrible. We've got to get one or maybe two central midfielders in. I thought Tshibola was quite good but didn't protect the defence at all
The back four was awful. Though they got so little protection from midfield it was just runners coming at them all game
My main worry with RDM was that the shape didn't look at all right and that he didn't seem to inspire them onwards or change anything
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Well folks, we've hit a new low
It could go lower
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Can't we just gag and bind Okore, Hutton, Richards, Gestede, all these shit wankers and throw the c***s in the canal?
If we can't sell these players surely we have to bomb squad them. They really are cancers on the club.
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I thought we'd hit bottom last season but obviously not. We're are an absolute mess nothing has changed. So tired of watching the same rubbish every bloody game.
Gardner, Richards, Hutton, Okore, Gestede should never play again for us utter rubbish the lot of them.
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From the second Gardner gave it away we were second best in every department. Wasn't even an unlucky defeat to plucky lower league opposition, the better side won.
The way we collapse is the single biggest thing that needs to change.
You've just said what i've text a mate. The way we fall apart after conceding a goal needs to stop if we're going to go anywhere. When that's sorted and we finally stop playing Hutton and Richards in the same defence, we'll start getting somewhere.
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A new low. And I don't think we've reached the bottom yet. We've still got the core of a woeful squad, and adding a couple of decent players isn't going to turn things round in a hurry. Like RDM said - the whole thing needs ripping down and re-built from the foundations up. I just hope we don't go down another division while we're in the process.
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You know what folks, we need a Trumpian second amendment option
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Can't we just gag and bind Okore, Hutton, Richards, Gestede, all these shit wankers and throw the c***s in the canal?
I'm willing to sort that out!
It's a strange feeling. My only words for the team are negative ones, angry ones. But my actual feeling is one of 'shrugged shoulders'. Lethargy, familiarity, brokenness.
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You owe Ian Holloway an apology Mr Xia. Your comments about him were disgusting and on that evidence his prediction was right. This team is an utter disgrace to the shirt.
Bye.
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What a disgrace - I thought I was numb to this shit but that hurts...
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I'm never going to get rid of my spare Rotherham ticket now. Absolute shambles.
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Well folks, we've hit a new low
Don't expect it not to get lower
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Comfortable up until they scored, we have a fragile set of individuals, the mentality is appauling and has been for as long as I can remember.
That wasn't a scrappy upset, it could have been 4 or 5.
They sliced through us with ease in that second half, there's no midfield presence and the defensive shape is fucking insane.
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So about this good core group Roberto ?? anyone we know?
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Ok, so... too many poor players at the club but still starting in the first 11. I still don't know what they philosophy at the club is, what's out style? Against lower league opposition we look worse at the back than we did last season, is that being worked on at Bodymoor? Every fan could tell any manager of the last 5 years midfield has been terrible and you don't go anywhere with a centre that bad. If Gardner couldn't get in the squad over the past 4 seasons and seal a place ahead of the shit we've had in the past then he certainly shouldn't be starting games at this club. The team is weak, mentally and tactically and RDM, Clarke and co. need to sort these things out quickly.
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Not totally unexpected but holy shit we are crap
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Is that the first time we've ever lost in the first round ?
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Is that the first time we've ever lost in the first round ?
Yes.
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You owe Ian Holloway an apology Mr Xia. Your comments about him were disgusting and on that evidence his prediction was right. This team is an utter disgrace to the shirt.
Can you fuck off?
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Yet another team who just need a little bit of time to realise we have no bollocks.
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We've seen some rubbish over the past five years, but that second half performance has to be right up there with the very worst of it. Out worked and outplayed and could have been more.
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Confidence and belief is totally shot to pieces. However well we start, as soon as we hit a difficulty we haven't got the character to get back on the front foot again.
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Is that the first time we've ever lost in the first round ?
Yes
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Surely got to be the end of Bunn,Richards,Hutton,Gardner,knowhere near good enough to get Us out of this mess. At least the owner was there to see how crap we are. Need some leaders like Jedinak in the team and quick.
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Well folks, we've hit a new low
oh were going to limbo a lot this season. too many with no Balls,
Grealish is a big "I AM" and tonight useless
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Is that the first time we've ever lost in the first round ?
Never mind, Sky presenter just answered my question - yes it is.
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Can't we just gag and bind Okore, Hutton, Richards, Gestede, all these shit wankers and throw the c***s in the canal?
If we can't sell these players surely we have to bomb squad them. They really are cancers on the club.
Can't we just get rid of them? Just pay them off and fuck them off?
Has any club ever tried getting rid of a player based on the fact they're not doing their job properly?
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We all know who the main culprits are.....Richards, Okore and even Hutton is going into rapid decline.
But the club needs to quickly realise that other squad players are no-where need good enough.
Gardner, Gestede, Baker and even Grealish are not the players we should be pinning our future on.
Infact, the squad is so poor, it's difficult to identify just who IS good enough.
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You owe Ian Holloway an apology Mr Xia. Your comments about him were disgusting and on that evidence his prediction was right. This team is an utter disgrace to the shirt.
Bye.
Not been such a bad night after all.
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I cannot believe plyers given chance after chance just get shitter.
okore and Richards positioning is worse than a pub side. Hutton absolutely shit. Ayew flatters to deceive.. Grealish a complete power.
fucking laughing stock
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Well that was yet another fucking disgrace and embarrassment. But I'll pick out three observations amongst the wreckage -
- Hutton, Gestede, Okore, Richards, Baker and Gardner will never ever be good enough and should never play again.
- We have the most mentally weak side I've ever seen and something needs to be done to make them stronger.
- We need a midfield that actually protects the defence and doesn't just allow the opposition to run through.
Diabolical and massive work is needed.
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I swear we're cursed, we need an exorcist.Just stunned by that performance after ten minutes i was thinking we'll be 3 up by half time WTF happened? Did we just throw that match or are we just totally shit?
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Is the guy that scouted and recommended these players to our club still here? The scouting system has managed to accumulate the strangest collection of players I can ever remember in all my years of supporting Villa. The all have some talent, but not one of them has any fight. It seems to be a common trait. Its going to take a few seasons to undo all of this mess.
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On a positive note at least Richards performance has guaranteed he won't be in the side the weekend
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My half time verdict from the match thread...
Started well, outclassed Luton, looked confident. Only one winner.
Scored, got casual, sloppy, vulnerable.
Conceded equaliser, shat our pants, lost all composure. Only one winner.
Nothing changed in the second half except we got even worse.
The thing is the mental weakness is visible even when we're on top. We should be absolutely busting a gut to finally, finally, finally get a win, but as Merson said at half time we took our foot off the gas.
We needed McCormack to stay on the pitch longer if he could have done, or get Elphick on so that one of those experienced leaders was on the pitch. I think Di Matteo has misjudged the depths of our mental fragility, hopefully this result doesn't make that too late, as hyperbolic as that sounds.
The slower we bring players in, the more effected players like Tshibola could become in the meantime. Losing games, losing confidence seems to be contagious.
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When will this fucking stop?
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Its difficult to believe how bad we can be. I'm just sick and tired of watching these f.....s go through the motions. Not one player was prepared to stand up and be counted
in that second half, against a team that we had completely dominated for 25mins. God knows if Rotherham go a goal upon Saturday.
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Just sitting at the station waiting to get home. That performance is right up there with the worst I have EVER seen. An absolute disgrace.
That should be the last games for us for most of that starting line up.😡
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He also needs to change formation and shore things up. Playing Ross, Ayew, Green, Grealish worked for 20 mins, but when it went tits up after the goal, Gardner and Tish, plus the whole of the back four were pulled all over the place and run ragged.
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We're bust and we'll never win again. Sell the tables and chairs and move on.
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Don't want to overreact and take this defeat out of context but clearly we have a serious serious problem here.
I think it's beyond RDM to sort. We probably need a psychiatrist.
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We should have expected this when the Boro game showed us that we are still a bunch of quitters. Score against us and we surrender.
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Its difficult to believe how bad we can be. I'm just sick and tired of watching these f.....s go through the motions. Not one player was prepared to stand up and be counted
in that second half, against a team that we had completely dominated for 25mins. God knows if Rotherham go a goal upon Saturday.
What do you mean if?
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well that was shambolic. I turned over and watched Team GB take gold in the the men's synchronised 3m springboard at Rio. One of the lads was given a 5% chance of survival after rupturing his spleen in 2009. Okay total different sport but the training,dedication and courage to get back and win gold is unbelievable. It looked like we possessed none of that, not even close.
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Horrific.
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I commentator said that we have good players, and the reaction on the match thread was one of derision. I think he's right. Villa went from domination to complete collapse in the space of minutes. I was on the verge of posting how great it was too see us play in a system that was working. Then Luton scored, and suddenly every player looked petrified. This is a purely mental issue.
I don't know if RDM can turn this round but I think this dreadful situation could be solved with some belief.
Mind you taking off baker and putting on Richards at centre back was almost as bad as Sherwood's subs against Leicester last season, and we all know what happened next.
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Can't we just get rid of them? Just pay them off and fuck them off?
Has any club ever tried getting rid of a player based on the fact they're not doing their job properly?
Well if Agbonlahor can turn up two stone overweight, is literally not fit to play, we fine him and he goes shisha partying in Dubai, and he doesn't get his contract cancelled, I think you know the answer to your question
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well that was shambolic. I turned over and watched Team GB take gold in the the men's synchronised 3m springboard at Rio. One of the lads was given a 5% chance of survival after rupturing his spleen in 2009. Okay total different sport but the training,dedication and courage to get back and win gold is unbelievable. It looked like we possessed none of that, not even close.
Can he play right back?
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No matter who we picked tonight we shouldn't of been subject to that against a division 4 team.
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Don't want to overreact and take this defeat out of context but clearly we have a serious serious problem here.
I think it's beyond RDM to sort. We probably need a psychiatrist.
We need leaders on the pitch. Tommy is one but we need more. Shambles on the pitch tonight and for years. There are no Evans, Teale's, Laursen, Mellberg, Mortimer, Richardson or anyone with any balls
We were shafted tonight. No bad luck we deserved to lose
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Merse has just said....You're playing For Aston Villa show a bit, show a bit.
Most showed nothing. Not nearly good enough.
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We should have expected this when the Boro game showed us that we are still a bunch of quitters. Score against us and we surrender.
When you think about it, it was a good job Wednesday scored so late in the game on Saturday otherwise I'm sure it would have been a heavier defeat
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Its difficult to believe how bad we can be. I'm just sick and tired of watching these f.....s go through the motions. Not one player was prepared to stand up and be counted
in that second half, against a team that we had completely dominated for 25mins. God knows if Rotherham go a goal upon Saturday.
at the moment I have to say "if Rotherham" you think theres any doubt, most of these will play Saturday, and trust me vp will be a quiet place Saturday.
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Seething and all that I am with that defeat, I cant help thinking that it is no harm it has happened now
Hutton, Okore and Gardner are all in the last year of their contracts, should be easy to shift or release like we did with Bennett
I'm glad all three got exposed for the last time tonight, they arent even capable of filling as backup players, neither is Cissokho who didnt need to play tonight to convince us he isnt anywhere near good enough either. Solid types like De Laat all day ahead of Hutton.
Micah Richards, captain fantastic, a fitting epitaph to his Villa career tonight, his appalling attitude spreads like a virus through the team, dressing room and club
Whatever it costs, he has to go asap for the good of the club
Wakeup call that we need an experienced powerful holding midfielder tonight, Tis has promise but hasnt a clue positionally. Westwood was actually missed but isnt the answer either, we will sink without that player coming in....
Green showed a few nice touches, got kicked a few times and then hid, harden up son
Grealish anonymous for most of it, finished ok for the last 20 mins or so
Ayew cant hold up the ball, running round in circles mostly maybe shift to right wing, Gestede seems to have lost the ability to head the ball
Baker is backup at best, tonight proved beyond doubt that we need to buy a new LCB to partner Elphick
Amavi went forward well in the second half I thought, defensively rubbish but Grealish didnt exactly help him out either
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Highlight of the night, ballroom blitz by the sweet over end credits
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The bare minimum is giving 100% effort and I didn't see that, there was no pressing, tracking or anything.
We need to purge the club of these utter failures.
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Words fail me. They were strolling around the first half like Luton were beneath them and it was a training game. Set of ******, Okore should be strung up the useless twat.
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Actually thought we turned a corner after second half at weekend and first twenty mins tonight..score a goal, then err just fall to bits.
And when you are this bad, you don't get or deserve luck...hit the woodwork 3 times, bounces right off Jack to their centre forward for the second, Okore...well who knows what he was doing. Even the weekends goal was fortunate in the way is bounced off elphick.
I don't see many teams gifting us goals like that...
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we have just carried on from last season, none of tonight is De Matteo's fault but I'm not sure he's the man to sort this out
I don't know who can to be honest
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The signing of players who have some desire and fight is imperative. If that's Ledley and the Palace bloke then get it done. And quick.
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The only positive hopefully is that Dr Tony, RDM and everyone now sees what needs to be done.
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When will this fucking stop?
Now. It stops now. It has to.
New management, everyone gets a clean slate, it was the fair and correct thing to do, everyone gets their chance to attempt to right wrongs, to prove they are actually worthy of a shirt.
No more. I've listened on the radio, and to hear the same old shit mostly about the same old faces is infuriating.
I don't know how, and I don't much care, but bin the spineless, useless twunts NOW.
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No leaders and the same core of awful players stinking the pitch out.
You want to get promoted then you must purge the side and squad of utter garbage like Hutton, Richards, Okore, Gardner and Gestede.
More mentally and physically tough players like Elphick, less headless, positionally confused shite like Richards.
Purge them with sword and fire.
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Merse has just said....You're playing For Aston Villa show a bit, show a bit.
Most showed nothing. Not nearly good enough.
When things aren't going your way you start with the basics. That includes fighting for every ball and giving your all as a collective unit until the tide turns. Not enough of this lot are either prepared to accept this or accept their own personal responsibility for our plight.
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Highlight of the night, ballroom blitz by the sweet over end credits
Ha ha. Just realised what I had been humming since
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How in all the absurdity that is Aston Villa, does Micah Fucking Richards get picked, AND, get picked as fucking captain??
If RDM is already making ridiculous calls like this, it's not going to end well.
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Well RDM and Tony and anybody else to be honest will now know what a useless bunch he's got
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I'm hoping Tony resists the urge to tweet tonight.
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Richards as captain. I trust you've learned your lesson there RDM you fool.
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I don't think I care any more. Is that a bad thing?
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Not too worried really. We needed a shock to concentrate the board's mind on what is needed and the LC, well meh. Don't care. Now at least people may shut up about all these players who can't get a games who are miles better than the admittedly arse league starters. On that showing it's perfectly obvious why Grealish, Okare, Amavi etc., can't get a game
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No leaders and the same core of awful players stinking the pitch out.
You want to get promoted then you must purge the side and squad of utter garbage like Hutton, Richards, Okore, Gardner and Gestede.
More mentally and physically tough players like Elphick, less headless, positionally confused shite like Richards.
Purge them with sword and fire.
Yep the likes of Elphick and McCormack need to be followed by more mentally strong players. Richards should never play again ever.
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So about this good core group Roberto ?? anyone we know?
He was talking about Brummie band Napalm Death, a good Grindcore group I think. Certainly wasn't talking about any of our lot.
I'd say headless chickens, but that would require that they still had spines to do the running around.
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Its difficult to believe how bad we can be. I'm just sick and tired of watching these f.....s go through the motions. Not one player was prepared to stand up and be counted
in that second half, against a team that we had completely dominated for 25mins. God knows if Rotherham go a goal upon Saturday.
at the moment I have to say "if Rotherham" you think theres any doubt, most of these will play Saturday, and trust me vp will be a quiet place Saturday.
VP will be a boiling cauldron of rage, anger and disbelief when we inevitably turn out more of the same dross.
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We need to start at the back and shore up the defence asap. When confidence is so brittle we need to rely on a solid backline when things get tough like that 2nd half. Unfortunately other than Elphick & Baker I wouldn't trust any of the others at the minute. Obviously Amavi needs time but I'd quite happily bin all the rest off. I bet Luton couldn't believe their luck 2nd half, they should have filled their boots.
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I have to agree with those saying we haven't even reached "a new low" yet.
I admit to knowing fuck all about Rotherham but they really must fancy their chances of winning at VP.
Huddersfield will have been watching that too.
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It WILL get better again. One day it isn't going to be as bad as it is now. That's what I'm clinging on to.
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I think RDM,s plan tonight was to put some of our players in the shop window in the hope that some bids may come in for them. Unfortunately the plan failed as even the rioters and looters would have passed by our shop without giving it a second look.
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We need to start at the back and shore up the defence asap. When confidence is so brittle we need to rely on a solid backline when things get tough like that 2nd half. Unfortunately other than Elphick & Baker I wouldn't trust any of the others at the minute. Obviously Amavi needs time but I'd quite happily bin all the rest off. I bet Luton couldn't believe their luck 2nd half, they should have filled their boots.
Baker is shite, positionally he's almost as bad as Richards he just doesn't have the ego to charge up front. He needs to be replaced.
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That was fugly.
I did think Gardner was doing better than Sunday though, so surprised to see him getting singled out. Especially considering nobody mentioned how far out of position Amavi was for their equalizer. It feels like RDM surrendered at half time with those subs, probably saving them for Rotherham ?
That should also dispel the Ayew-Grealish-Green-McCormack hope.
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We have got far too many rubbish players. If RDM puts the same clowns out on Saturday then he's not the manager for us.
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Cunning plan of Okore's to ensure we didn't have to risk the possibility of tiring extra time.
We'll be fighting fit and raring to lose against Rotherham now.
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I've mentioned before at the lack of urgency in Transfer market....I think it's plain to see that at least 4 or 5 players with desire and leadership are needed. Confidence is vital and it's so fragile at the slightest set back.
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Its difficult to believe how bad we can be. I'm just sick and tired of watching these f.....s go through the motions. Not one player was prepared to stand up and be counted
in that second half, against a team that we had completely dominated for 25mins. God knows if Rotherham go a goal upon Saturday.
at the moment I have to say "if Rotherham" you think theres any doubt, most of these will play Saturday, and trust me vp will be a quiet place Saturday.
VP will be a boiling cauldron of rage, anger and disbelief when we inevitably turn out more of the same dross.
you think??
no no there will of course be an out burst, But trust me the majority of the 90 minutes we'll watch stunned by what passes as an ASTON VILLA footballer these days.
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Disgraceful
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Gestede coming on seemed to end all of our attacking intent. ?How many touches did he have? I can only remember a couple of defensive headers
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One positive 2nite. Bacuna rested for Saturday!!!! Fuck me I can't wait for the season to finish and we ain't even been to vp
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What is it about Bedfordshire and the Villa? Can't win at poxy Luton and I was there in the sixties when Bedford beat us in a pre-season friendly when we had a near full side out.
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Pathetic performance, clueless. Just what is the point of Gestede? Our support held up impressively but by the end it was all too much to take and the booing started. This doesn't augur well for the games ahead
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We need to start at the back and shore up the defence asap. When confidence is so brittle we need to rely on a solid backline when things get tough like that 2nd half. Unfortunately other than Elphick & Baker I wouldn't trust any of the others at the minute. Obviously Amavi needs time but I'd quite happily bin all the rest off. I bet Luton couldn't believe their luck 2nd half, they should have filled their boots.
Baker is shite, positionally he's almost as bad as Richards he just doesn't have the ego to charge up front. He needs to be replaced.
Indeed, he was at fault for the first again, the only thing missing was his white stick. Richards was then at fault for the second and Okore the 3rd. As others have pointed out, I'd be very relieved if those 3 never play for us again.
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I keep hoping after every defeat that this will be the kick up the arse needed for them to show some self respect and to perform for themselves let alone the fans ... still hasn't happened.
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As soon as we moved Richards at half time the inevitable defeat was coming. Everything good about Villa at the weekend stemmed from having an actual leader of men in the team. Tonight a group of very out of confidence boys were "led" by a fucking tart.
Richards is not fit to lace Elphicks boots. We need more like him. Quick.
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We need to start at the back and shore up the defence asap. When confidence is so brittle we need to rely on a solid backline when things get tough like that 2nd half. Unfortunately other than Elphick & Baker I wouldn't trust any of the others at the minute. Obviously Amavi needs time but I'd quite happily bin all the rest off. I bet Luton couldn't believe their luck 2nd half, they should have filled their boots.
Baker is shite, positionally he's almost as bad as Richards he just doesn't have the ego to charge up front. He needs to be replaced.
Yes I'm not a massive Baker fan but we need 2 full backs more urgently imo, in both games so far we've been exposed there. I'd take Baker as a back up centre half for now.
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We have got far too many rubbish players. If RDM puts the same clowns out on Saturday then he's not the manager for us.
Who do you suggest he puts out?
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That was fugly.
I did think Gardner was doing better than Sunday though, so surprised to see him getting singled out. Especially considering nobody mentioned how far out of position Amavi was for their equalizer. It feels like RDM surrendered at half time with those subs, probably saving them for Rotherham ?
That should also dispel the Ayew-Grealish-Green-McCormack hope.
I thought Gardner was doing ok until he arsed around with it when we were in a decent position, lost it and totally exposed the defense...he then did that all night.
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I said in the match thread that, in my opinion, all of our problems stem from the fact we do not have a top quality central midfielder, and haven't for many years.
As a minimum, we must, must, must resolve this before the end of this month, because the anonymous bunch of midfield clones we have now will not make us improve.
Oh for a Cowans, Taylor, Barry or Mortimer right now.
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One day we'll look back at this and laugh
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We have got far too many rubbish players. If RDM puts the same clowns out on Saturday then he's not the manager for us.
i thought the starting line up was ok but then RDM made changes that defied belief. i want also to see some enthusiasm from manager and coches - they look like statue's and hardly inspire
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The squad is so thin that we can only rely on the likes of Westwood and Bacuna to come in on Saturday, unless we sign a couple of players before then. I agree with others about the fragility of this team. We must buy our way out of it, if we can persuade players to come to us that is. RDM has very little room for manoeuvre unless he brings players in quickly. This squad is shit. I might also consider letting Ayew go in a swap deal if we can get the players we want, and a little cash too. He tries harder than others but isn't really a team player. I like hime as a player but I think we need winners rather than individuals. Not singling him out as I think Okore, Richards, Gardner, Hutton, Baker, Bacuna, Westwood, Gestede are all really poor. Where was Veretout? I know he wants out but is he injured as well? Kozak?
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I think RDM,s plan tonight was to put some of our players in the shop window in the hope that some bids may come in for them. Unfortunately the plan failed as even the rioters and looters would have passed by our shop without giving it a second look.
There will always sometone desperate for our rubbish. Explain why anyone would take Bennett or Sanchez, albeit on loan with the latter
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That was fugly.
I did think Gardner was doing better than Sunday though, so surprised to see him getting singled out. Especially considering nobody mentioned how far out of position Amavi was for their equalizer. It feels like RDM surrendered at half time with those subs, probably saving them for Rotherham ?
That should also dispel the Ayew-Grealish-Green-McCormack hope.
agreed, though Gestede over the past 1.5 games looks as bad as last season at "his level" so options are minimal
McCormack doesnt look fit either which is worrying
I cant see how RHM could be any worse up top
Green needs to harden up on the evidence of tonight
Bacuna and Westwood appear better players suddenly :)
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Re Richards:
https://twitter.com/foxyn77/status/763479834383220736
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Like nearly everyone I was pretty happy with the lineup, RDM got a black mark for the second half though as all the changes he made only managed to make us worse.
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McCormack isn't fit. He played 45 minutes pre season
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We desperately need two proper experienced, vocal midfielders and a right back that can read the game and defend. Without these we ain't going anyway
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Why isn't Toner getting a look in.......Baker WAS, IS, WILL ALWAYS BE fucking Shite...
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Judging by the comments it looks like we're not happy with more or less the whole of the playing staff. Full backs are rubbish, we need a centre back, midfield doesn't exist, we need a goalscorer. Can't really disagree so that's one hell of rebuilding job.
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I said in the match thread that, in my opinion, all of our problems stem from the fact we do not have a top quality central midfielder, and haven't for many years.
As a minimum, we must, must, must resolve this before the end of this month, because the anonymous bunch of midfield clones we have now will not make us improve.
Oh for a Cowans, Taylor, Barry or Mortimer right now.
I totally agree...the midfield just isn't protecting the back 4 or getting it into the forwards quick enough..they don't retain possession or compete for the second ball. Don't support the forwards quick enough. be alright if they did some of this, but they do none of it. Ayew consequently runs all over the shop just to get the ball.
I can see what RDM is trying to do, but we don't yet have the midfielders to be able to do it.
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Grealish, Green and Gardner were absolutely pathetic. Tshibola looks a safer bet and more of a presence than Westwood, Sanchez and Veretout but he's a bit slow paced and negative. Probably be ok with a dynamic, tough partner. I'm starting to lose patience with Gestede who I've always defended but he was anonymous tonight against a league 2 side. The defence is better with Elphick in as we saw on Saturday, but he needs a competent and quick partner next to him, we don't have one in the club. An entire new right side is needed too. And another left back. Maybe even another striker.
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I said in the match thread that, in my opinion, all of our problems stem from the fact we do not have a top quality central midfielder, and haven't for many years.
As a minimum, we must, must, must resolve this before the end of this month, because the anonymous bunch of midfield clones we have now will not make us improve.
Oh for a Cowans, Taylor, Barry or Mortimer right now.
It's definetely a large part of the problem that we're missing a commanding centre midfielder who can put his foot in and dominate a match.When's the last time one of our midfielders put in one of those "welcome to the game" tackles in the first 10 minutes, picked up a yellow and then took it easy for the next 80 minutes? Win the midfield and then you can start to play a bit and who's know's some of our midfield wusses could actually create something with someone covering their backs
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I said in the match thread that, in my opinion, all of our problems stem from the fact we do not have a top quality central midfielder, and haven't for many years.
As a minimum, we must, must, must resolve this before the end of this month, because the anonymous bunch of midfield clones we have now will not make us improve.
Oh for a Cowans, Taylor, Barry or Mortimer right now.
I totally agree...the midfield just isn't protecting the back 4 or getting it into the forwards quick enough..they don't retain possession or compete for the second ball. Don't support the forwards quick enough. be alright if they did some of this, but they do none of it. Ayew consequently runs all over the shop just to get the ball.
I can see what RDM is trying to do, but we don't yet have the midfielders to be able to do it.
Yep, and it's a case of it not being just a one man job either ... Ledley and Jedinak, come on down.
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Roberto Di Matteo let's see how you earn your bruschetta from now on.
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Don't want to overreact and take this defeat out of context but clearly we have a serious serious problem here.
I think it's beyond RDM to sort. We probably need a psychiatrist.
I said in the match thread that I think we need a sports psychologist because we're so mentally fragile. Tonight was a classic example. A complete collapse after they equalised.
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A truly magnificent performance from a team of consummate, dedicated hard working professionals.
Makes me proud to support them.
Now back to reality.............utter rubbish.
A long hard season ahead.
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Roberto Di Matteo let's see how you earn your bruschetta from now on.
I think that was funny but some knob will play his racist card now.
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We need a completely new midfield. There's not one player currently at the club that deserves to be in it.
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Fucking atrocious. What else is there to say?
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We need a completely new midfield. There's not one player currently at the club that deserves to be in it.
I'm not going to write Tshibola off after two games. He needs to become much more influential in games as he develops, he's not a regular starter yet.
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We need a completely new midfield. There's not one player currently at the club that deserves to be in it.
We have zero backbone. No strength in midfield, and that pairing of Okore and Richards is one of the biggest centre half clusterfucks I have ever seen.
I can't believe how much I fucking hate some of these players. I actually loathe them.
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Last season's shit team still shit. Sorry to be a stuck record.
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If you're going to play two centrally then they both need to be athletic. Gardner is anything but.
The crux is that we cannot have half the team being as poor as they are. Richards is an absolute car crash. No shrink will fix him. He shouldn't play.
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I didn't see one player stand up and be counted in that second half. Far too many players at the club don't seem bothered about losing.
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Today captain Richards was a downtrodden player. He was made captain and this burdened him as he felt he has to lead and instruct this further confused him in a series of poorly timed headers and decisions.
Richards was too busy pointing to others and turning round back to the ball player and thererfor not concentrating on his job was poor and late getting to the ball with (another) poorly timed throw yourself at the ball for the okore own goal . He had previously thrown himself at the ball and came out of positions so left a gaping gap at back .
Hutton Okore and Richards are players who must go. They were damming last year. Worst is lack of leadership and clear lack of confidence. A Luton player after said they knew to get at villa and the fragility is there too see.
I think it's good amavi got 90 minutes. Tshiobla and gardener too - they definitely need a helping experienced hand.
I also pleased xia is at helm and will do everything to erradicate such shambolic play. It's a work in progress that is for such but even being a generous soul I feel the cull of hutton, okore, Richards on tonight and then bacuna. It's best to let them go as they toxic to progress and development of players and club. I do wish them well but please can they go as they don't deem worthy of what villa want to do. Going thru games without feeling anything.
As I said xia will bite and get rid he's no mug this got to be a lesson.
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I didn't see one player stand up and be counted in that second half. Far too many players at the club don't seem bothered about losing.
To be fair, that's a bit like saying you're not bothered about breathing. They're so used to it, they don't even notice it's happening.
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I was watching on sky, whilst RDM looked clueless, Steve Clark looked utterly miserable, I seriously think he was wondering what he had done in coming to Villa Park.
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We'd be lost without Elphick. That's the simple point. Richards is not a leader and clearly doesn't have the respect of the team at all.
As it is, we've just effectively seen a team from last season carry on with the same crap that we were used to.
It's terrible, humiliating and nauseating at the same time, but this has surely got to be the low point here. This team needs strong leaders to stop this ridiculous rot. Our squad is paper thin and generally utterly awful, but even the worst players under a good leader can be ok.
In the meantime, I wish I hadn't seen that game.
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Confidence, confidence is the key. A lot of these players are completely shot of it after last season's debacle.
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There's been so much damage done to this club for the last 6 seasons that turning us around will be about as quick as attempting a U turn in an oil tanker. We need a complete new midfield, fullbacks, cemtebacks and a striker. That's if we want to compete in the Championship let alone go up. I feel a bit sorry for Xia. I think his heart's in the right place and I just hope he's got the guts (and the cash) to give us a team worthy of the name.
I'm just sick to death of losing.
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The first 30 mins we looked like Real Madrid, the rest we didn't . I was a bit blasie about the need for characters but I was wrong, a team with half an arsehole would have won at a canter tonight.
Luton imposed their game on us.
Didn't see much of RDM trying to adjust stuff
Whilst I'm still hopeful I can't say impressed two games in.
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Hutton, okore, Richards Gardner all Fucking hopeless. Get rid. As soon as we concede the opposition turn into man United. I said patience was needed but we need to learn and Fucking fast. Can't defend for shit we just panic. Utterly hopeless
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I thought the half time changes were quite Timmy/Leicesteresque. Bewildering.
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I'm not even that angry any more. I can remember getting knocked out of cup competitions by Premier League teams and being in a mood about it for days.
These days, a defeat against a Fourth Division team barely registers.
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Dont think its an overreaction when i say that is possibly the worst Villa performance I have ever seen. Not one player I would give more than a 3/10 to. When you consider some of the shit we've served up in recent times that really takes some doing. Micah Richards and Okore should be made to walk back from Luton.
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We need a win. Any sort of win. You can't go on a run like we have, it's embarrassing. 3 wins in 12 months in the league.
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Bunn is the only one that left that pitch with any credit. Our keeper in a fucking 3-1 defeat to a 4th division side. Sums it up for me.
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Dont think its an overreaction when i say that is possibly the worst Villa performance I have ever seen. Not one player I would give more than a 3/10 to. When you consider some of the shit we've served up in recent times that really takes some doing. Micah Richards and Okore should be made to walk back from Luton.
I said to my pal it was very much like Doncaster away, started brightly but a complate lack of bollocks when the going gets tough.
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I thought the half time changes were quite Timmy/Leicesteresque. Bewildering.
I didn't get the half tine changes either, unless McCormack had took a knock. I'm not actually sure if Gestede touched the ball.
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Thought Jack was good
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To me it's very simple , and said so before tonight. We needed to get rid of all the first team from last season. The rot is truly set in and nothing will change that. Until every one from last seasons debacle has gone, the mindset will remain
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Just when you think this bunch of mercenaries can't drag us through the mire any more, then they only go and find a way. Well done lads.
There were positive signs on Sunday without a doubt, but there are still far to many of last seasons losers still getting (I won't say earning) a wage out of the club.
Hutton. A trier, but has never been good enough.
Okore. Refused to be a sub last season. You're not as good as you think you are sunshine.
Richards. Toxic. Waged an agenda against the foreign players last season, doing Sherwood's dirty work for him.
Bunn. Not good enough even as backup.
Baker. Without a proper leader like Elphick beside him. Without that he's as much use as a door handle.
Ayew. Talented, but sulky. Makes too many wrong decisions.
Until the toxic element of the club is removed, we will not snap out of this malaise.
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Don't know why we bothered putting the claws back on. Should have put the lion on from the wizard of Oz
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So what are the RDM fan boys thinking now then?
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I love all this "get rid " talk. Who will take these overpaid donkeys? Xia cant pay them all off. It's also a little late in the day now to rebuild the squad. Just as well "prepared" has been dropped from the badge.
This time next week it could be even more depressing.
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I thought the half time changes were quite Timmy/Leicesteresque. Bewildering.
yep. Baker was doing okay and with our defence you'd hope we'd be trying to build confidence. I think it stems from RDM realising the squad is full of shite and trying to find any player in any position who looks like he can do a job this season
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On a positive note, just so long as we can avoid getting a non league team in the 3rd round of the FA Cup this should be about as bad as it can get for this season.
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Well RDM and Dr X saw tonight what a monumental task is facing them, to have a chance of a half decent season Richards, Okore, Hutton, Gardner Cissokho need to be kept out of the squad, we need 4 or 5 more proper professionals used to scrapping at this level to give us a chance of steadying our club, so much to do player wise with so little time before the window closes, I would snap your hand off right now at a top 12 finish, Rotherham game now taking on huge importance, somehow we have to take 3 points.
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Thought Jack was good
So did I
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On a positive note, just so long as we can avoid getting a non league team in the 3rd round of the FA Cup this should be about as bad as it can get for this season.
I've been hoping that it's as bad as it gets for years now, and then somehow they always manage to plumb new depths.
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This is not an overnight fix and we are still dealing with the hangover of the Lerner era. Richards, Hutton, Bunn etc. need to go and be replaced with better as soon as possible, for their good and ours. The positive to take from tonight is that the owner and coaching staff saw with their own eyes the garbage Lerner has left us with.
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Thought Jack was good
Woodward?
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Okore
Richards
Gestede
Hutton
Cissoko
Baker
They all wreak of failure
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Thought Jack was good
So did I
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Agree, showed touches of claas amongst the dross.
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As long as Luton stood off us we looked OK. As soon as they put the pressure on & started to run at our defence we crumbled.
The decisions to make Richards captain, then bring on Hutton & move Richards to centre half was beyond belief. Within 30 secs of coming on Hutton stood still whilst a Luton player ran off him. For all their obvious faults they got no support from the rest of the team. A lot of the players in front of them went into hiding.
We need to start off by being hard to beat.
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So what are the RDM fan boys thinking now then?
Probably wondering why you seem to be gloating that we lost just so you can score a cheap point on the internet.
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We need to start off by being hard to beat.
I'd take a few draws right now, considering the run we're on.
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Going off this performance, I think it's best to knock any promotion talk for this season on the head right now.
It's never ever going to happen.
I think that's a very safe bet.
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Today captain Richards was a downtrodden player. He was made captain and this burdened him as he felt he has to lead and instruct this further confused him in a series of poorly timed headers and decisions.
Richards was too busy pointing to others and turning round back to the ball player and thererfor not concentrating on his job was poor and late getting to the ball with (another) poorly timed throw yourself at the ball for the okore own goal . He had previously thrown himself at the ball and came out of positions so left a gaping gap at back .
Richards is poison mate. I'm sorry if that seems strong, but he was an utter disgrace last season. He waltzed in here like he owned the place, told the club he wanted to play at centre-back, encouraged our captain to go to Man City, did nothing to help integrate the new players into the side - instead choosing to throw them under a bus as part of Sherwood's dirty agenda. The list is almost endless. His arse should be following Agbonalhor's out of the door at a rate of knots.
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It's absolutely imperative that we get at least one physically and mentally strong central midfield player. I would possibly looking at getting an experienced player from overseas for a year. Somebody with composure that can sit in front of the back four. We also need a solid right back (Gunter from Reading if we could get him). The fourth player needs to be a strong physical central striker. With those four players, our young players would have something to build around.
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As long as Luton stood off us we looked OK. As soon as they put the pressure on & started to run at our defence we crumbled.
The decisions to make Richards captain, then bring on Hutton & move Richards to centre half was beyond belief. Within 30 secs of coming on Hutton stood still whilst a Luton player ran off him. For all their obvious faults they got no support from the rest of the team. A lot of the players in front of them went into hiding.
We need to start off by being hard to beat.
Exactly
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Not even sure it is a confidence thing.
I think most of our players simply don't like or respect each other.
Which is understandable, as I don't like them very much either.
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The coaching staff really need to be drilling that team relentlessly from now on defending and keeping the ball. 2 games and we've already seen two horrendous comical balls-ups like carbon copies from last season. It's not rocket science, you can be a shit defender and still hoof the fucker into row z. If you can't pass 10 yards then pass 5yds
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Purge them with sword and fire.
Playing Warhammer Dawn of War is a much better idea than watching Villa at the moment for sure.
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I thought the half time changes were quite Timmy/Leicesteresque. Bewildering.
yep. Baker was doing okay and with our defence you'd hope we'd be trying to build confidence. I think it stems from RDM realising the squad is full of shite and trying to find any player in any position who looks like he can do a job this season
Yet surprise, surprise, he got injured in the opposition box off one of our own corners and I presume that is why had went off at half-time.
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Tonight has nothing to do with the garbage from the Lerner years that put on the shirt. Each and everyone of them are better footballers than any Luton player. Each and everyone of them once a goal goes in lack the desire, lose self belief, can't follow a game plan, can't play to the manager's instruction and lose fight. We saw tonight that there isn't a leader among that bunch who when it goes a little bit wrong can pull the team together. Elphick can do it, we need another two like that.
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It's absolutely imperative that we get at least one physically and mentally strong central midfield player. I would possibly looking at getting an experienced player from overseas for a year. Somebody with composure that can sit in front of the back four. We also need a solid right back (Gunter from Reading if we could get him). The fourth player needs to be a strong physical central striker. With those four players, our young players would have something to build around.
A Cambiasso...
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RDM why did you change the team tonight and filled it with absolute garbage?
FFS it's unbelievably annoying.
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Not even sure it is a confidence thing.
I think most of our players simply don't like or respect each other.
Which is understandable, as I don't like them very much either.
Me neither. There is a general unwillingness to put effort in which was reflected in the fact that we were consistently bottom of the ground covered stats.
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Tonight has nothing to do with the garbage from the Lerner years that put on the shirt. Each and everyone of them are better footballers than any Luton player. Each and everyone of them once a goal goes in lack the desire, lose self belief, can't follow a game plan, can't play to the manager's instruction and lose fight. We saw tonight that there isn't a leader among that bunch who when it goes a little bit wrong can pull the team together. Elphick can do it, we need another two like that.
They might be better ability wise, but without heart and desire, its a waste of time.
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So, on route home but thankfully not quite as far as some of you other angry fans. This will attempt to be an honest assessment of tonight but I suspect my apoplectic rage might get the better of me.
Bunn: he's a bit shit but wasn't at fault for anything tonight and actually made one decent save from a tight angle in the first half in front of us (not sure if it was going in though)
Amavi: part of me wants to give him the benefit of the doubt given how little football he has played and so I'll forgive him for not getting up and down the wing but his positional sense tonight was woeful. Why did he decide to step out just prior to their first, opening up the whole defence for a simple through ball?
Baker: he's not great but he throws himself about and actually looks like he gives a sh*t. At the moment he's second best of a bad bunch so should start. Him going off (I assume as a result of the clash before our goal) cost us dearly.
Okore: dear oh dear. Considering he was so highly rated across Europe before he came, injury and abysmal management/training has destroyed any chance of him being a decent professional footballer. His own goal was bewildering. We all assumed he had kicked it into a striker because what happened just didn't make sense.
Richards: if this "player" ever puts on a villa shirt again I'm not sure I'll be able to contain myself. He was shocking at right back for the first half but, thankfully was out the way there. His positional sense is non existent. Stick him in the middle in the second half and it's a disaster waiting to happen. At fault following rushing in for at least two of the goals. What was that attempted header before okore's own goal!? To name him captain was a dreadful decision. He's clearly a bad egg with a shocking professional attitude. Couple that with no ability and you have a winning combination.
Gardner: sadly just not good enough. He can't pass the ball crisply, protect the back line, break forward at pace - he literally offers nothing but, worst of all is his positional sense. He is, without fail, always the wrong side of the ball. Bar Richards, probably the worst player on the pitch.
Tshibola: offers very little protection to the back four, maybe because he has nobody next to him to guide him. He looks like he might be ok but the more we keep playing this poorly, the quicker it will stifle his growth. He goes walkabout far too often as well and so can probably only play in a 3 at the moment.
Grealish: I'm a fan of him but he offered very little tonight in all honesty. He didn't support Amavi in his first game back and provided next to nothing going forward. Having said that, he was one of the few who continued to try in the final 20. One not to give up on yet because we've seen he can be a good player.
Green: looks like he might be decent but needs to bulk up and toughen up. Certainly not ready for the rigours of league football but one for the future hopefully. If we can ever get glass traore fit, it might be worth considering a loan move for him.
Ayew: he huffed and puffed most of the night but he's a bit infuriating to be honest. I'm still not sure of his best position but it is probably off the left. Given our current plight though I'm not sure we can afford him there. Someone earlier mentioned getting rid of him. Maybe if we weren't so desperate for some quality in the side. But we are and beggars can't be choosers. At least he seems to give a sh*t.
McCormack: clearly not fit yet but looks like he'll be as useful off the pitch as on it. He's clearly a leader and alongside Elphick needs to be the sort of characters we bring in. Worrying if he doesn't get up to speed quickly though.
Gestede: nice bloke just completely rubbish at his job. I swear he's not even good in the air. Unless he's attacking a cross he doesn't win anything in the air. He can't hold the ball up. Literally what is the point in a target man that can't do those things.
Hutton: gets a lot of flack, a lot of it just. Tonight was one of those days. He's far from brilliant but at least he seems to have a degree of desire. Sadly one to shelve under the not good enough pile.
RDM: poor captain choice, shocking subs (although I suspect Baker was injured and mccormack was always only going to play 45 so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt). Worryingly though, he seemed to do little to change the course of the game. At least try and wrangle some control back in the midfield. Hate to say it but Westwood might have made a difference in a 3 man midfield.
Overall, tonight was abysmal, lower than Bradford because at least then, I felt like we were still the better dire. Tonight we were battered from the moment we scored. Our mental fragility literally knows no bounds and this has to stop ASAP or even those who we are beginning to pin our hopes on will fall foul of the same ailment.
A dark day for all villa vans.
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Roberto Di Matteo let's see how you earn your bruschetta from now on.
I think that was funny but some knob will play his racist card now.
No.
You are the knob for thinking it....yes you did...
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You owe Ian Holloway an apology Mr Xia. Your comments about him were disgusting and on that evidence his prediction was right. This team is an utter disgrace to the shirt.
Please fuck off.
Luckily I missed the game, and thus that familiar descent into disbelief & anger, but are we allowed to have a pop at other posters like this?
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He was a Stripey ******. Fuck him, he's not darkening this corner of the Web again.
It's all asphixiwanks over Pulis for him now.
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Flippin eck that hurt
Thought I'd developed Rhino skin (to how shite we are) over these last 5 or so years but clearly not......
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Losing to Luton. Oh dear.
I feel like a stuck record, but christ, I despise the mere sight of some of our players.
There's Richards, all chest puffed out-dick.
Okore-always looks like a balloon in agony. Ready to burst.
Hutton-crap tattooed moron. No skill whatsoever.
Gardner-a ready to drool, shit version of his already shit brother.
I fucking hate some of our players. Theyre abysmal. I hope they're absolutely torn to shreds by the fans on Saturday. Abused, ridiculed. It's counter productive apparently. Well, fucking earn your support you piss flaps.
Nik, I have no idea how you manage to motivate yourself to watch this shite at 3-4am in Japan
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Just when you think this bunch of mercenaries can't drag us through the mire any more, then they only go and find a way. Well done lads.
There were positive signs on Sunday without a doubt, but there are still far to many of last seasons losers still getting (I won't say earning) a wage out of the club.
Hutton. A trier, but has never been good enough.
Okore. Refused to be a sub last season. You're not as good as you think you are sunshine.
Richards. Toxic. Waged an agenda against the foreign players last season, doing Sherwood's dirty work for him.
Bunn. Not good enough even as backup.
Baker. Without a proper leader like Elphick beside him. Without that he's as much use as a door handle.
Ayew. Talented, but sulky. Makes too many wrong decisions.
Until the toxic element of the club is removed, we will not snap out of this malaise.
Within minutes of his introduction, Hutton was walking back from being caught miles out of position. Rarely got tight to his man and his efforts with the ball at his feet are vile. He has people conned with believing he gives his all. He is as half arsed as any of them.
I don't rate Bunn but he had a decent game tonight in fairness. Worth watching a replay of the first goal to see a classic example of Nathan Baker's positional sense.
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How in all the absurdity that is Aston Villa, does Micah Fucking Richards get picked, AND, get picked as fucking captain??
If RDM is already making ridiculous calls like this, it's not going to end well.
This, this this this this.
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Roberto Di Matteo let's see how you earn your bruschetta from now on.
I think that was funny but some knob will play his racist card now.
No.
You are the knob for thinking it....yes you did...
Meooow Sailor.
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Roberto Di Matteo let's see how you earn your bruschetta from now on.
I think that was funny but some knob will play his racist card now.
No.
You are the knob for thinking it....yes you did...
Meooow Sailor.
Whatever you're on about, pack it in.
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I'm sick of hearing this "mental fragility" rubbish. That was pure rubbish play by pure rubbish footballers, a disgrace to our club. Richards must be paid off whatever it costs us. In all my years of supporting Villa, Gestede is the worst player I've ever seen, however Hutton is pushing him hard for that accolade. They must go now.
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So what are the RDM fan boys thinking now then?
I can't speak for all of those who supported/promoted Di Matteo's appointment, but I think use of the term "fan boys" is patronising drivel and that it is far too early to judge him, just as it would've been far too early to judge Graham Taylor after his awful start.
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RDM said "it's difficult to explain how we changed so much from the first to the second"
Really? How hard is it to watch back some of the footage from last season, this guy clearly hasn't done his homework, which makes me think... if he hasn't even done the basics right yet, it's going to be another season of agony.
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Honestly, look at Richards randomly diving in in the build up to this goal.
What the FUCK did he think he was doing?
https://twitter.com/TitanicGoals/status/763492992967639040
Absolutely fucking brainless.
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Roberto Di Matteo let's see how you earn your bruschetta from now on.
I think that was funny but some knob will play his racist card now.
No.
You are the knob for thinking it....yes you did...
Meooow Sailor.
Whatever you're on about, pack it in.
Are you speaking to just myself ?
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Roberto Di Matteo let's see how you earn your bruschetta from now on.
I think that was funny but some knob will play his racist card now.
No.
You are the knob for thinking it....yes you did...
Meooow Sailor.
Whatever you're on about, pack it in.
Are you speaking to just myself ?
I'm speaking to everyone.
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Defending as a collective shambles, all of them are too easily pulled out of position. Watched the goals on sky go and they are all out of position. What the fuck Okore was doing for his 'goal' God only knows. Terrible players defensively, including Amavi based on tonight. Hope he gets up to speed quickly.
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Roberto Di Matteo let's see how you earn your bruschetta from now on.
I think that was funny but some knob will play his racist card now.
No.
You are the knob for thinking it....yes you did...
Meooow Sailor.
Whatever you're on about, pack it in.
Are you speaking to just myself ?
I'm speaking to everyone.
Good good, just checking.
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Ah well, when is topless darts back on again?
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Just say no.
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So what are the RDM fan boys thinking now then?
I can't speak for all of those who supported/promoted Di Matteo's appointment, but I think use of the term "fan boys" is patronising drivel and that it is far too early to judge him, just as it would've been far too early to judge Graham Taylor after his awful start.
Agree. How he reacts to this might be a decent indicator though, as tonight should have been a real wake up call for him.
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RDM said "it's difficult to explain how we changed so much from the first to the second"
Really? How hard is it to watch back some of the footage from last season, this guy clearly hasn't done his homework, which makes me think... if he hasn't even done the basics right yet, it's going to be another season of agony.
End of the day you have to give some of the players who fucked up last season a chance otherwise we wouldn't be able to field a team. If they don't or can't take that chance then he'll obviously look to ship them out. .I don't know what you were expecting but getting rid of 15 plus players and getting replacements in by the 10th of August would be some sort of transfer record i reckon.
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I only said RDM has got to start earning a crust but replaced crust with a friendly reference to his adoptive country Italy. Anyone who wants to make something of that is welcome to but why would you?
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And we can't even blame Westwood and Bacuna.
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The coaching staff really need to be drilling that team relentlessly from now on
Agreed, kneecaps or eyeballs?
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The coaching staff really need to be drilling that team relentlessly from now on
Agreed, kneecaps or eyeballs?
Chortle!
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I said in the match thread that, in my opinion, all of our problems stem from the fact we do not have a top quality central midfielder, and haven't for many years.
As a minimum, we must, must, must resolve this before the end of this month, because the anonymous bunch of midfield clones we have now will not make us improve.
Oh for a Cowans, Taylor, Barry or Mortimer right now.
Didn't see the game but knew this was coming. No team without somebody with a brain in midfield will succeed at anything. I am sure Stan even at his age and condition is better than the cr@p that we have now. Headless chickens.
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It's a sick irony that within weeks of patting Stylian on the back but declining him a contract we find ourselves with a midfield containing Gardner as an ever present. Present! There's a double irony.
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the only good to come out of this disgusting start to the season is the fact that it's still the start of the seaon, the window is still open and surely DiMatteo can see the issues.
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Why the flying fuck was Richards captain of Aston Villa tonight? I find that more insulting than yet another gutless surrender to lower league clubs from this squad.
It actually erodes my trust in Matteo, because, why?!
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The coaching staff really need to be drilling that team relentlessly from now on
Agreed, kneecaps or eyeballs?
heh, but you have to say its the same fuck-ups as last season. We can't even say its premier players taking advantage of championship defending anymore. It's championship and League 2 players taking advantage of diabolical defending. Do some of that in a pub league and you'll get the same result. If the opposition just take you apart that's one thing, but we just gift them goals.
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I did not understand either of the half time subs at all.
Half time you get them in and tell them to keep moving the ball quickly as that's when we looked dangerous
and not get sucked into scrappy personal battles.
Instead we remove a forward making intelligent runs for a human statue, and rearrange our already shaky backline
and manage to make it worse.
Our players are admittedly all levels of inept, but RDM didn't help them tonight.
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We should have expected this when the Boro game showed us that we are still a bunch of quitters. Score against us and we surrender.
I went to the Middlesborough game and this is exactly what I saw - we literally capitulated. People said to me 'it's only a friendly.' I know what I saw. This is just about the worse I've ever known or seen. The lack of fight in adversity is simply chronic. I honestly don't know what we will do next.
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So just when you think it can't get any worse, this team of incompetent fuckwits manage to set yet another embarrassing record...the words "fucking shit" understate how useless the majority of this useless bunch of wankers really are.
I have to admit to being excited by the starting lineup, but whilst it's still littered with the remnants of absolute shite throughout the team then we're always going to struggle to win games...however I dont think many of us would think they could sink to these depths of shite. It's not rocket science, and the answer is really quite simple...we're shit because we have shit players.
The only solace I can take from this is that I'm hoping RDM is still testing out what he has inherited, and can only make judgement calls in competitive games for a comparison rather than what he has seen in training and in pre-season. If tonight sends RDM and Dr X the clear message that some of these "players" simply aren't good enough and more changes need to be made in the transfer window, then this result can be accepted as a means to an end...however if they turn a blind eye and give them more chances, then we're fucked.
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I did not understand either of the half time subs at all.
Half time you get them in and tell them to keep moving the ball quickly as that's when we looked dangerous
and not get sucked into scrappy personal battles.
Instead we remove a forward making intelligent runs for a human statue, and rearrange our already shaky backline
and manage to make it worse.
Our players are admittedly all levels of inept, but RDM didn't help them tonight.
'All levels of inept' is a very harsh phrase and I wish I could have a go you for using it. But sadly you are right. Maybe we should appoint Glenn Hoddle as manager and he could tell us what we have all done in a previous life to deserve this.
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I did not understand either of the half time subs at all.
Half time you get them in and tell them to keep moving the ball quickly as that's when we looked dangerous
and not get sucked into scrappy personal battles.
Instead we remove a forward making intelligent runs for a human statue, and rearrange our already shaky backline
and manage to make it worse.
Our players are admittedly all levels of inept, but RDM didn't help them tonight.
'All levels of inept' is a very harsh phrase and I wish I could have a go you for using it. But sadly you are right. Maybe we should appoint Glenn Hoddle as manager and he could tell us what we have all done in a previous life to deserve this.
He's probably still somewhere in France pondering the Iceland result, and re watching a highlight reel of Lallana's "cute" passes that didn't quite come off.
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I did not understand either of the half time subs at all.
Half time you get them in and tell them to keep moving the ball quickly as that's when we looked dangerous
and not get sucked into scrappy personal battles.
Instead we remove a forward making intelligent runs for a human statue, and rearrange our already shaky backline
and manage to make it worse.
Our players are admittedly all levels of inept, but RDM didn't help them tonight.
'All levels of inept' is a very harsh phrase and I wish I could have a go you for using it. But sadly you are right. Maybe we should appoint Glenn Hoddle as manager and he could tell us what we have all done in a previous life to deserve this.
He's probably still somewhere in France pondering the Iceland result, and re watching a highlight reel of Lallana's "cute" passes that didn't quite come off.
I'm not saying Glenn loves himself but right now he is probably sitting in a hotel bar in Dubai with David O'Leary whilst they both discuss why the two Manchester clubs have appointed losers like Mourinho and Guardiola while they were both available.
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Just got home from work unaware of the result. I watch the replay and it's hard not to be fuming. After 20 minutes I figured we would cruise to a lopsided win.
I just can't take this anymore. I can't lose anymore. It's too hard to watch.
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Losing to Luton. Oh dear.
I feel like a stuck record, but christ, I despise the mere sight of some of our players.
There's Richards, all chest puffed out-dick.
Okore-always looks like a balloon in agony. Ready to burst.
Hutton-crap tattooed moron. No skill whatsoever.
Gardner-a ready to drool, shit version of his already shit brother.
I fucking hate some of our players. Theyre abysmal. I hope they're absolutely torn to shreds by the fans on Saturday. Abused, ridiculed. It's counter productive apparently. Well, fucking earn your support you piss flaps.
Nik, I have no idea how you manage to motivate yourself to watch this shite at 3-4am in Japan
Me neither, Paul. I've been doing it for near on 9 years now. And there's going to be more of it with us being in the Championship.
Fortunately, the university term is done for the summer, so now at 11:30am, I have a day off. I can come on here and at least feel strange comfort in the fact that I'm not the only one in pain/exasperation at last night's result.
I hope you're having a good summer, mate. If you're ever out in Tokyo, give me a shout!
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Richards as captain. I trust you've learned your lesson there RDM you fool.
I didn't realise this until now. What an arsehole, Richards is.
Why Di Matteo, why?
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RDM will go the way of all his immediate predecessors. Last night we plumbed new depths of ineptness. As if competing in the first round wasn't ignominious enough we then loose deservedly to the mighty Luton Town! I had to turn off the Talkshite commentary last night, not so much because we were loosing , but for the undisguised distain in which the commentators held us. We are a total shambles and I am struggling to see exactly where we go from here. I guess the immediate aftermath is that anyone considering joining us won't. And who can blame them?
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I am not sure if it was a certain amount arrogance on our side, or just a blindness, but we thought these so called players were just poor premier league players and dropping down and getting rid of what we could( was never going to be easy without giving them away), but we would be ok.
No the ones and we all know who they are are just crap footballers full stop at whatever level, they have the mentality of prima donnas, they think they are good as long as they are winning, when they need to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in there fucked, there is not one player from last year I would not get rid off if we have the chance, including Ayew, as stated we thought they were just poor prem players, we were wrong they are poor full stop and should not be wearing the shirt of Aston Villa Football Club.
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Positives :
- we now can focus on the league. Seriously. It is a league with a LOT of games to be played, I have not yet given up on us winning it. RDM intends for us to have a smaller squad and so less cup games is fine.
- decent first half. Seriously, I know we have lost two games this week but at times we looked alright, good even. Its just that our bad is REALLY bad and it is no longer in spurts, once we get bad we just do not come back.
- RDM know sees exactly what he is dealing with and can address it, I trust him, Clarke and the coaching team to improve in the weeks ahead, I really do.
- Xia understands (probably already did) that we will need to spend to get out of this league.
Negatives :
- many of our players need to be replaced, there is no delicate way of putting it. Some it was obvious already, some only obvious if you had seen them play last season (like Gardener), but now we all know.
- the culture of failure is still here. I have no idea how to get rid of this but it is painful. Everyone here knows the signs, the players look nervous, then lazy, then accident prone and its all over.
- fans interest. This one is purely anecdotal but I sense a decent portion of fans are pretty close to bailing. I mean, how much can we take? I am out of words to describe just how ghastly watching this team lose week after week is but it grinds you down you know? I dont know what the tipping point is when clubs start to hemmorage fans but we have got to be close. It is a minor miracle the level of support we currently have, we are pushing our luck thinking fans will stick around for another season of it.
Oh and grats to Luton Town. It cannot be easy supporting such a historied yet losing club over recent years. A good day for them that was well deserved. I hope they go on to do well in the competition.
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Why was Baker subbed at half time? He appeared to have recovered from his problem at the corner.Richards was doing OK at right back but at centre back with Okore a disaster was waiting to happen.
It did!!
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Watching it back now - why I'm doing it to myself I don't know - aside from the ineptitude/awfulness we seem to be strolling around and treating it like a friendly. Zero urgency and intensity whereas Luton, once they got a little encouragement, are 'giving it a right go' as a certain ex-manager would say. I get the sense they thought this would be easy which is an alarming trait given the season we're in for.
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it sounds melodramatic I know, but I really don't know where we go from here. We can't even give a fourth division club a game.
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Probably best that they showed Tony/RDM early how shit they are, they still have weeks to get rid and replace
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It feels like another gigantic kick in the balls this morning. All I keep picturing in my head is that lame own goal by Okore and the look of despair on his face. Going to be a tough day at work, I hope RDM has put on double training for last nights squad.
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It feels like another gigantic kick in the balls this morning. All I keep picturing in my head is that lame own goal by Okore and the look of despair on his face. Going to be a tough day at work, I hope RDM has put on double training for last nights squad.
to be honest ive got a horrible feeling that rdm is as clueless as the players
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it sounds melodramatic I know, but I really don't know where we go from here. We can't even give a fourth division club a game.
Same for me too. We can't even turn round and say they were lucky, or on any other day we'd have won easily.
We've been dicked by a Fourth Division side. We now have a side two leagues higher coming to VP on Saturday, a side who will be just as motivated and done their homework just as Luton clearly did. A side who should, on paper, be much better than Luton.
The Luton players said afterwards how brittle we are.
We need a couple of wins for sure, I'm just hoping it doesn't take until March to get them.
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I agree with you Mr U. Both your previous post that RDM is going exactly the same way as his predecessors and that I truly don't know where we go from here. What you saw last night we have been seeing for years. Forget Doncaster and Bradford, go back to Notts County, at home. We came within a whisker of getting dumped out that night. It was only Sherwood leaving Traore on as a sacrificial offering to be chopped down every time he got the ball that took us to extra time that night.
There is a shocking slow motion horribleness about the way we become paralysed by the fear of defeat. It is like a stoat hypnotising a terrified rabbit.
In my mind it has become so bad we are like an oil well fire. We need a Red Adair. We need strong, unflinching management that is fully aware how bad some of our players are. I don't like the policy of every player being given a clean slate. The 17 points we amassed last season is the incontrovertible evidence of how bad we were but we get in RDM and Clarke and Bond and they say we will be the best judge of what needs doing. The result? Micah Richards is made captain and allowed to play centre back. It is a classic example of the attitude of " you are only the supporters. What the fuck do you know?"
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Woken up and I'm even more pissed off than last night. The hope of a fresh start have belief that we're moving forward and not in a mess. I don't ever want to see Richards, Okore, Hutton, Gardner, Gestede in a Villa shirt again.
We're in a sticky situation with regards our transfer targets too, the longer this debacle continues then the longer they get to see how truly shit we are and consider their options.
Plus if we wait till window closes then we will be cut adrift in the league by then anyhow in terms of pushing for promotion
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Just watched the "highlights"...it's even worse than you can imagine when you watch it back. The incompetence and ineptitude by more than just a few players is catastrophic. I have no idea what Okore was up to last night, but on a few occasions it looked liked his legs simply didn't work...and you could be excused for thinking the own goal was intentional if it wasn't for the fact that we know he's just plain old shit. Richards can fuck right off too. Gestede is still getting away with impersonating a footballer. You simply can't win games with players like this in the team, and you certainly don't win football matches without any resemblance of a midfield on the pitch.
RDM again hinted at more transfer activity...they need to start turning words into actions and replace the shit with decent quality players. What needs to be done is blatant for all to see but it needs to get done...and done quickly.
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It is significant that the two main architects of our cowardly capitulation to Luton were Okore and Richards both of whom have chronic attitude problems. Because they don't want to be at Villa, they don't care what happens to Villa. Can you imagine the scene this morning if Clarke or Bond tries to bollock Richards or Okore for last night. Their agents would be on the phone in about twenty seconds.
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Woken up and I'm even more pissed off than last night. The hope of a fresh start have belief that we're moving forward and not in a mess. I don't ever want to see Richards, Okore, Hutton, Gardner, Gestede in a Villa shirt again.
We're in a sticky situation with regards our transfer targets too, the longer this debacle continues then the longer they get to see how truly shit we are and consider their options.
Plus if we wait till window closes then we will be cut adrift in the league by then anyhow in terms of pushing for promotion
Forget promotion
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Roberto Di Matteo let's see how you earn your bruschetta from now on.
I think that was funny but some knob will play his racist card now.
No.
You are the knob for thinking it....yes you did...
Meooow Sailor.
Whatever you're on about, pack it in.
Oops! Just woke up and read what I said. Drunk sense of humour failure by me. Apologies all round.
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The only possible positive that can come from last night is that RDM saw the likes of Okore, Gardner, Guestede and Richards for what they really are and they will be banished from the first team squad. I await Saturdays team sheet, but won't hold my breath.
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Among the many irritants last night, the Sky commentators kept calling our new midfielder "Tishbola" all the way through.
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Think the penny may have dropped with RDM given his after match comments. There is a deep malaise in the squad that is not going to be resolved by setting up in a way that allows the oppostion to play aswell.
I remain convinced that the majority of these players are good enough for us to be in in and around the top six and even further with around 3 additions (centre half, holding midfield and a more mobile centre forward - the spine of the side). Confidence is such a massive part of football and to turn this around, he needs to get back to basics - defensive organisation, a much more intense pressing game (we are simply not getting around the pitch well enough) and a style that puts not conceding as the core of the gameplan.
It's not pretty, but we are not going to play free flowing football and an improve results until we take start making ourselves much harder to beat. His prority must be leaders and strong characters in the dressing room in the mould of Elphick.
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Enough is enough, this has to stop. I just don't know where to turn with this; the usual suspects need shipping out, yes, but I'm concerned that RDM doesn't appear to have changed anything and we still need about 5 players in key positions throughout the side.
It's still a complete mess.
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The only possible positive that can come from last night is that RDM saw the likes of Okore, Gardner, Guestede and Richards for what they really are and they will be banished from the first team squad. I await Saturdays team sheet, but won't hold my breath.
I think you might be right. If we take Dr Tony at his word, then perhaps RDM has sacrificed this game to find out definitively who he can and can't trust in this league.
No doubt he'll be troubled by what he's seen, but I doubt he'll be too bothered about no longer being in a cup competition we couldn't possibly win when the league is really all that matters.
I'd expect to see something entirely different on Saturday.
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Perhaps we should start a chant, when we are feeling ourselves again as Footyskillz might say, to remind the media ignoramuses. "He's Shibola" to the tune of "He fell over".
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The main problem last night was the decision to substitute Baker for Hutton, moving Richards inside. i counted 24 high balls over the top of which Baker headed back up the pitch and in most cases put us back on the attack, 2 fell to Okore which he failed to deal with. Baker played well on Saturday alongside Elphick, As we have seen previously if you put an out and out centre half with another good one the bad one improves and will look good IE Laursen made Curtis Davis look good. We need a good Right Back and need to dispense with the services of Richards, Okore and Hutton Quickly!!
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RDM said Baker had taken a knock to the head and had to go off.
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let's hope he fully recovers, and, like some of those marvel characters who suffer misfortune only to come back as super human, he returns as an actual footballer
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RDM said Baker had taken a knock to the head and had to go off.
I'd imagine McCormack is not match fit and after a game Sunday he wasn't up to another 90 mins hence his subbing ..both replacements were horribly though.
No bigger banker bet than Villa to concede with Richards at CB.
It was clear after the Boro pre season game that when we concede we fall to pieces, whilst some are not good enough the reality is even ones with talent have been mentally damaged by last season.We haven't won away in a year , won 3 times all last season in league.The only way to rectify this is to clear out players and rebuild but then you have to then gel the new players together.
It's very clear now that promotion is going to be very very difficult this season.
I also think we will still be hanging on trying to get players up until the window closes especially the ones we want on loan who may want to see what other offers there are out there for them.Elphick made an impression in defence at weekend we now need someone like him in midfield as so far this season the MF has been useless
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It is significant that the two main architects of our cowardly capitulation to Luton were Okore and Richards both of whom have chronic attitude problems. Because they don't want to be at Villa, they don't care what happens to Villa. Can you imagine the scene this morning if Clarke or Bond tries to bollock Richards or Okore for last night. Their agents would be on the phone in about twenty seconds.
It begs the question as to why this pair of tossers are still at the club. They epitomise why we continue to be a laughing-stock: yet here they are still, cheerfully stinking the place out whilst earning a fortune. If Xia has even a modicum of sense, he needs to ensure that the shite gets removed asap and replaced with incumbents who, at the very least, are prepared to give 100% every time they pull on the claret & blue. I just hope to God the owner's pockets are deep enough to ensure the necessary happens sooner - rather than later.
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but therein lies the problem - who would want them? With each game they play, they become even more unsaleable.
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Can we please get a very good centre back and a very good central midfielder in today. Not tomorrow, not next week, today. Thank you.
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but therein lies the problem - who would want them? With each game they play, they become even more unsaleable.
I agree, but Xia HAS to find a way of binning the shit. Let's pray he gets on with the job now - lest his glorious 5 year plan is over before it even starts.
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Even if last season's points haul and MOTD highlights weren't sufficient evidence, in these days of detailed statistical analysis with reams of data on every player for every game, it beggars belief that RDM had to sacrifice a cup competition and subject the club to yet more embarrassment to find out what was already patently obvious.
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I think somebody who made the point about looking good in training may be onto something. There's no pressure there, so when Team Bibs puts one past Team Shirts, its not an issue. Last night has got to have been illuminating for RDM as to the absence of quality and mental strength in Richards, Okore in particular.
How can you hope to achieve anything at any level with them too? Both charging out of position. We're trying to hold a defensive line that has more in common with an Alpine road. Baker was guilty of it too first half without his brain Elphick telling him where to stand.
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Even if last season's points haul and MOTD highlights weren't sufficient evidence, in these days of detailed statistical analysis with reams of data on every player for every game, it beggars belief that RDM had to sacrifice a cup competition and subject the club to yet more embarrassment to find out what was already patently obvious.
I suppose so but he probably wants it to be known that he's willing to give everyone a crack of the whip and at least see it with his own eyes. Probably looks better to incoming players that he tries to be a fair manager. After that though, I don't think anyone would blame him for packing Richards and Okore into a bin liner and leaving them outside the main gates at Villa park, or for immediately transfer listing Baker and Gardner or for making sure Hutton, Green and Gestede are our last option for future games.
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It is significant that the two main architects of our cowardly capitulation to Luton were Okore and Richards both of whom have chronic attitude problems. Because they don't want to be at Villa, they don't care what happens to Villa. Can you imagine the scene this morning if Clarke or Bond tries to bollock Richards or Okore for last night. Their agents would be on the phone in about twenty seconds.
all the more reason for them to get that bollocking
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Poor, rubbish, useless you name it we was it I thought it couldn't get any worse but then this happens.
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we have just carried on from last season, none of tonight is De Matteo's fault but I'm not sure he's the man to sort this out
I don't know who can to be honest
Even though RDM fucked about with the defence it wasn't his fault.
I'm guessing you thought Amavi had an outstanding game defensively too
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A number of learning points from last night. One being for our fans - giving it the 'Easy Easy' chant when we are a massive one nil up with just 75 minutes to play is rather embarrassing isn't it?
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Amavi wasn't great defensively but I'm not sure that I've ever seen a player come back from a long term injury and play well straight away. It will take him some time. He did put a few good crosses in second half but there was no one getting near them. I still like the idea of playing him left midfield, after all Grealish has done jack shit in that position since the FA cup semi final.
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He also had Okore next to him for 45 minutes.
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My point entirely Top Deck. The season is underway, we are already out of one cup competition and the window is starting to close. All of this forensic navel gazing should have been done when we got rid of Lambert a year earlier than we did. We farted around with Sherwood and his approach to player recruitment akin to a game of snakes and ladders with a lunatic, got in Garde but none of his Lyon team and adopted a policy of zero player recruitment, gave Black a vital period which he used to lubricate a move to a club where his language skills outweighed any football commitment. Then the circus came to town. New owner, new manager, new board, new CEO, new coaches, 500 employees dispensed with. The result was more forensic navel gazing. Players that are known trouble makers remain in place because it cannot be decided what to do with them. Shall we pay them off? Shall we take the hit and put them out on loan? Hard call, need to think about that. Tell you what, let's make the worst one team captain.
In life and business you always have to tackle the hardest problems first, not last. We have done the easy stuff. Sinclair to Celtic, Bennett to Sunderland, Clark to Newcastle, Gana to Everton, Veretout back to France. The hard decisions? That's that big lump under the carpet.
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I agree with you Mr U. Both your previous post that RDM is going exactly the same way as his predecessors and that I truly don't know where we go from here. What you saw last night we have been seeing for years. Forget Doncaster and Bradford, go back to Notts County, at home. We came within a whisker of getting dumped out that night. It was only Sherwood leaving Traore on as a sacrificial offering to be chopped down every time he got the ball that took us to extra time that night.
There is a shocking slow motion horribleness about the way we become paralysed by the fear of defeat. It is like a stoat hypnotising a terrified rabbit.
In my mind it has become so bad we are like an oil well fire. We need a Red Adair. We need strong, unflinching management that is fully aware how bad some of our players are. I don't like the policy of every player being given a clean slate. The 17 points we amassed last season is the incontrovertible evidence of how bad we were but we get in RDM and Clarke and Bond and they say we will be the best judge of what needs doing. The result? Micah Richards is made captain and allowed to play centre back. It is a classic example of the attitude of " you are only the supporters. What the fuck do you know?"
The voice of reason as usual, Brian.
Totally agree. I thought this new regime was all about listening to and understanding the concerns of fans. Appointing Richards as captain last night confirmed that they may be listening but they are not understanding.
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Pearson hasn't signed a single player at perennial bottles Derby. Likely because he wants to look at the squad for himself and see how they get on before deciding where needs strengthening.
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The toxic and rotten elements of this club need to be eradicated before we can move on.
Criticising Gardner or Baker for not being good enough is the very least of our worries. We have players there who are deluded, disruptive influences without getting into the fact they are also shit at their job.
Okore is a bloke who refused to be on the bench last year, thinks he's too good for us. As does Richards, Bacuna, Cissokho, Hutton, Lescott, Gabby. The list is endless.
We have gaping holes in the centre of our defence and midfield.
Beggars can't be choosers, if Jedinak and Ledley are available from Palace get them in. They're proper pros and better than what we've got. We need to start getting some of these guys as far away from the first team squad as possible.
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Thought Jack was good
So did I
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Agree, showed touches of claas amongst the dross.
WHOOSH!
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Piss poor performance from the point they scored. I hope that RDM just needed to see this for himself and will learn from it.
I don't think we have a midfield 2 that can cope if we play 4 attack minded players beside and in front of them.
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If Amavi was the best left back in Europe the season prior to us signing him I can only assume not many teams played with a left back.
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Piss poor performance from the point they scored. I hope that RDM just needed to see this for himself and will learn from it.
I don't think we have a midfield 2 that can cope if we play 4 attack minded players beside and in front of them.
A midfield of 2 and 4 attack minded players. Sounds like a formation that was used about 20 years ago.
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When the team sheet was announced, apart from the utter shock of seeing Richards name on there (never mind the captain thing) I thought this looks a decent side.
It didn't really take too long for me to have doubts though as for all our fannying about in the first 30-35 minutes we didn't really look a 'unit' to me.
The less said about the ridiculous half time substitutions and the second half performance the better.
Bunn 6 - didn't do a lot, but caught him shouting a few times which made him the only one so gets 6/10
Amavi 5 - looked rusty as expected, thought he had some decent moments, usually of the non defensive variety
Baker 6 - alright, apart from being sucked out for their first leaving a huge space behind him
Okore 4 - first half not too bad second half looked a broken player at times. not helped by being put on the left side i'm sure. will he ever recover his form? not sure
Richards 2 - first half got forward ok but yet again did nothing of note in his defensive role. the throw in and mugging himself off on the touch line before conceding a throw was proper comical. second half was right up there with the worst defensive displays i've ever seen from a Villa centre back. and considering probably 7 of the other 9 were also from him that's saying something. i truly hate this bloke as a footballer, in fact i'm finding it increasingly hard to even understand how he's got to 28 and still be employed as one. he has ZERO awarness of where he's supposed to be or that he's even part of a defensive unit to my eyes. he's absolutely SHOCKINGLY bad. he was last season, and he still is. if anyone can tell me i'm wrong then i'm all ears
Hutton 2 - same old fucking garbage from a player i'd rank right alongside Richards in the 'how the fuck is he a professional footballer' stakes. utter turd
Grealish 5 - looks good, flounces about threatening to deliver something yet rarely does. he really needs to kick on this season and this display did nothing to convince me he will. plays too safe, never takes a gamble that you need to be a great player
Gardner 5 - very lightweight and cannot play in a midfield two. he's one of those players i really want to see make the grade but the last two matches have really shown he's probably not cut out to do it in a Villa shirt. i did think he played FAR better alongside Westwood in the Boro friendly though
Tshibola 5 - some decent signs, some worrying signs. too early to call of course but again doesn't look like one that can play in a middle two to me. which begs the question why keep trying this middle two ?
Green 5 - expected more to be honest, didn't really look like he had the belief to me. didn't see any fire in his belly either. still early days though of course and i think he can probably develop into a good squad player this season
Ayew 5 - i thought he worked quite hard at times, good determination for his goal as well. but over all not a great performance
McCormack 5 - apart from set pieces didn't really see much of him at all. not that he got any service mind
Gestede 2 - did absolutely nothing and should join Hutton and Richards on the rag n bone mans cart out of Bodymoor this morning
RDM - 5 brave/decent starting eleven on paper, but completely LUDICROUS half time subs
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I'd give Richards 1/10, and that for turning up to catch the bus on time.
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What surprised me was in the 2nd half how unfit, the likes of Richards /Okore looked
Grealish did some okay things on the ball, but he needs to get used to being kicked and not getting the free kick, in the Championship he wont have time to be thinking he is a big time charlie
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Among the many irritants last night, the Sky commentators kept calling our new midfielder "Tishbola" all the way through.
The commentator for the Sheffield Wednesday game pronounced it that way and Mat Kendrick in the Mail said: "He often just goes by the name of Tish, but his surname in full in pronounced Tish-Bowl-a."
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I'd give Richards 1/10, and that for turning up to catch the bus on time.
There's no actual proof that he did turn up on time so this could in fact be a zero.
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Among the many irritants last night, the Sky commentators kept calling our new midfielder "Tishbola" all the way through.
The commentator for the Sheffield Wednesday game pronounced it that way and Mat Kendrick in the Mail said: "He often just goes by the name of Tish, but his surname in full in pronounced Tish-Bowl-a."
Thanks - I can go back to just being irritated by the appalling performance now.
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Among the many irritants last night, the Sky commentators kept calling our new midfielder "Tishbola" all the way through.
The commentator for the Sheffield Wednesday game pronounced it that way and Mat Kendrick in the Mail said: "He often just goes by the name of Tish, but his surname in full in pronounced Tish-Bowl-a."
I don't like him, seems unfair but I just keep getting "Bohemian Rhapsody" in my head everytime I see his name. Sell him now.
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I must admit i pronounce it Tish-bola as well. That's right isn't it ?
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Move on quickly I say! :'(
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Replace him with that Italian U21 player, Galileo Figaro or maybe Roger Milla's son Bis
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Pearson hasn't signed a single player at perennial bottles Derby. Likely because he wants to look at the squad for himself and see how they get on before deciding where needs strengthening.
The only crumb of comfort I can take from last night is that Xia and the coaching staff have now seen the extent of how poor we are. I'm hoping they now act accordingly.
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So from the Sheff Wed game we know the midfield is not good enough, and now we know the defence is not good enough.
I think they all need counselling, they turn to glass when they concede a goal.
I honestly thought we had hit rock bottom getting relegated, but now i don't.
I genuinely worry about not getting a single point against Rotherham and Huddersfield.
A total clearout is required. Until we can do that, we have to build a defence that does not concede.
This is going to be awful to watch, Pulis ball is now our reality. Non committal, anti attacking football in the hope we get a corner or free-kick, whilst parking the bus in our own half.
I honestly don't know what else we can do. We have to stop getting beaten.
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Erm, buy better players while the window is open?
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We can't sign Figaro UKR. He is working as a barber in Seville.
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Think the penny may have dropped with RDM given his after match comments. There is a deep malaise in the squad that is not going to be resolved by setting up in a way that allows the oppostion to play aswell.
I remain convinced that the majority of these players are good enough for us to be in in and around the top six and even further with around 3 additions (centre half, holding midfield and a more mobile centre forward - the spine of the side). Confidence is such a massive part of football and to turn this around, he needs to get back to basics - defensive organisation, a much more intense pressing game (we are simply not getting around the pitch well enough) and a style that puts not conceding as the core of the gameplan.
It's not pretty, but we are not going to play free flowing football and an improve results until we take start making ourselves much harder to beat. His prority must be leaders and strong characters in the dressing room in the mould of Elphick.
Agree. I wrote on the match thread that this performance should be the end of 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 (aka 4-2-4) because we need to flood that midfield, even just by having physical bodies in there, to stop teams waltzing through us.
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Pearson hasn't signed a single player at perennial bottles Derby. Likely because he wants to look at the squad for himself and see how they get on before deciding where needs strengthening.
Derby haven't got the worst squad in their entire History.
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Pearson hasn't signed a single player at perennial bottles Derby. Likely because he wants to look at the squad for himself and see how they get on before deciding where needs strengthening.
Derby haven't got the worst squad in their entire History.
Neither have we.
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Pearson hasn't signed a single player at perennial bottles Derby. Likely because he wants to look at the squad for himself and see how they get on before deciding where needs strengthening.
Derby haven't got the worst squad in their entire History.
Neither have we.
I think we did at the end of last season (in my opinion). It's been improved slightly but not by much.
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Pearson hasn't signed a single player at perennial bottles Derby. Likely because he wants to look at the squad for himself and see how they get on before deciding where needs strengthening.
Derby haven't got the worst squad in their entire History.
Neither have we.
I think we did at the end of last season (in my opinion). It's been improved slightly but not by much.
In terms of overall shoddiness, this squad must be approaching one of our worst ever footbal teams. They've consistently broken records for it after all.
It's been a sobering week for me. I'm not sure we have a strong enough squad, mentally or in terms of footballing ability, to be anywhere near Promotion.
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Pearson hasn't signed a single player at perennial bottles Derby. Likely because he wants to look at the squad for himself and see how they get on before deciding where needs strengthening.
Derby haven't got the worst squad in their entire History.
Neither have we.
I think we did at the end of last season (in my opinion). It's been improved slightly but not by much.
In terms of overall shoddiness, this squad must be approaching one of our worst ever footbal teams. They've consistently broken records for it after all.
It's been a sobering week for me. I'm not sure we have a strong enough squad, mentally or in terms of footballing ability, to be anywhere near Promotion.
It's not our worst in terms of footballing ability. Many of these players were bought as, or already were, Premier League players, albeit not the highest quality.
They have hit a psycological brick wall and this is now the 4th manager who has to find a way to break that down. We all know we need improvements in key areas but they are not terrible footballers. RDM and his coaching team need to eanr their corn and find a formation that makes us harder to beat. This is not going to turn round with immediate 3-0 wins.
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For me it doesn't matter where they came from, they might have been Premier League standard when we got them but how they've performed for us puts them in the catergory of Villa's worst ever. This current stretch of disaster is on their hands.
Coaching and management is implicit also, I think you're right, but in terms of this team versus our other dire teams, this lot are surely in the mix for one of the worst ever Villa teams.
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At Bodymoor Heath this morning hopefully...
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I was hoping we might have shown some character against the mighty Luton. I was so wrong. We are broken - I see everything here to suggest we're going to wallow in our own stink of defeatism unless we replace more than half the midfield and defence immediately. Without 4 decent mentally strong leaders coming in before the window closes I think we'll see a lot more of this capitulation. I honestly think they are broken and cannot be mended.
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For me it doesn't matter where they came from, they might have been Premier League standard when we got them but how they've performed for us puts them in the catergory of Villa's worst ever. This current stretch of disaster is on their hands.
Coaching and management is implicit also, I think you're right, but in terms of this team versus our other dire teams, this lot are surely in the mix for one of the worst ever Villa teams.
No one will ever convince me the likes of Westwood, Baker, Bacuna, Bennett, Cissokho, Okore, Veretout, Sanchez, Gil, Guzan, Richardson, Crespo, Tonev, Kozak, Lowton etc etc were ever PL standard. A squad or even a team could carry a few of these type of low quality players at any one time, but to pack out your entire squad with them (and the team) is pure madness and a recipe for disaster, and that's exactly what happened. You reap what you sow and all that, and it's gonna take an almighty effort from Xia and Di Matteo to sort out this mess they've inherited.
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Pearson hasn't signed a single player at perennial bottles Derby. Likely because he wants to look at the squad for himself and see how they get on before deciding where needs strengthening.
Derby haven't got the worst squad in their entire History.
Neither have we.
I think we did at the end of last season (in my opinion). It's been improved slightly but not by much.
In the context of this league we don't and the good news is its likely to change further.
It certainly needs to.
My point was more about people getting on RDM's back already and pining for Pearson more than anything else.
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Pearson hasn't signed a single player at perennial bottles Derby. Likely because he wants to look at the squad for himself and see how they get on before deciding where needs strengthening.
Derby haven't got the worst squad in their entire History.
Neither have we.
I think we did at the end of last season (in my opinion). It's been improved slightly but not by much.
In the context of this league we don't and the good news is its likely to change further.
It certainly needs to.
My point was more about people getting on RDM's back already and pining for Pearson more than anything else.
Yeah I agree, RDM has inherited this mess and he isn't gonna turn it around overnight. Hopefully by the end of August the squad will look a lot different.
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My son was interviewed by Central at the Villa shop. He suggested Doc Tony stop tweeting and start buying.
Can I watch Central News from Yorkshire somehow?
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If you have Sky there are ways to watch all the various ITV regions plus STV, ITV Wales and UTV. Not sure about other service providers.
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Pearson hasn't signed a single player at perennial bottles Derby. Likely because he wants to look at the squad for himself and see how they get on before deciding where needs strengthening.
Derby haven't got the worst squad in their entire History.
We don't have the worst squad on paper, but i'd suggest we'd be in the top 5 of worst squads for attitude/application/effort.
And that's the important stuff to me.
Good, maybe even average players playing as a team will always out perform better players that only play as individuals and without a care in the world.
Neither have we.
I think we did at the end of last season (in my opinion). It's been improved slightly but not by much.
In the context of this league we don't and the good news is its likely to change further.
It certainly needs to.
My point was more about people getting on RDM's back already and pining for Pearson more than anything else.
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I certainly am not pining for Pearson, nor am I pining for Pulis, I am simply preferring the lesser evil of a hard, uncompromising manager over the much greater evil of being humiliated on the pitch week after week. Nor am I now, now will ever, be on RDM's back. Like Remi Garde before him he has a monumental task ahead of him.
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I should also add that I prefer the truth in a dialogue that diminishes me in the eyes of others than a lie that gets me applauded. The truth as far as my situation is concerned is that if you asked me whether I would sooner be in West Bromwich Albion's position with their monstrous manager or in ours with a team that I am deeply ashamed of, the honest answer is that I would.
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tend to agree Brian mid table PL with TP or where we are now? It's the former for me
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If I was RDM, I'd go back to Luton and try to sign Pelly Ruddock Mpanzu. I thought he had a great game. He buzzed around the pitch all night, was involved in 2 goals and most of the other good things Luton did. He probably achieved more last night than our midfield have since about February. He's 23 so what's not to like? Gotta be worth a punt. I've just read he's not fully fit yet either.
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he also has a very cool name
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Just awful.
On the upside, from when we last visited, we can claim to have "taken" the Oak Road End.
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Pearson hasn't signed a single player at perennial bottles Derby. Likely because he wants to look at the squad for himself and see how they get on before deciding where needs strengthening.
Derby haven't got the worst squad in their entire History.
Neither have we.
Sure.
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Well it's better than last season's so no it isn't.
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Well it's better than last season's so no it isn't.
Semantics.
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So we're agreed then, it isn't the worst in our history.
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For definite:
Richards must go. Disgrace.
Okore must go. Refuse to play? Think you have a devine right to walk into our side? But make a mistake in EVERY match you play? Okay...fuck off you clown!
Hutton has the stink of failure all over him. Get rid. I don't dislike him as far as the fact he will keep on going for 90 minutes, but at what? He's a liability and has been too tarnished by persistent failure in his time here (individually and as part of a collective). By the same token, Westwood and Bacuna, though will probably do okay at Champ level, have just been here too long and had defeat in our colours ingrained into their psyche. Get fucking rid.
Gardner won't make it.
Gestede, in the way we currently play, is a liability.
So when Tony said we still need 8 new players, he's not far short. That said I think 5-6 solid players with Elphick and McCormacks mentality will see us right. Chester and Jedinak/Ledley is a good start.
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For definite:
Richards must go. Disgrace.
Okore must go. Refuse to play? Think you have a devine right to walk into our side? But make a mistake in EVERY match you play? Okay...fuck off you clown!
Hutton has the stink of failure all over him. Get rid. I don't dislike him as far as the fact he will keep on going for 90 minutes, but at what? He's a liability and has been too tarnished by persistent failure in his time here (individually and as part of a collective). By the same token, Westwood and Bacuna, though will probably do okay at Champ level, have just been here too long and had defeat in our colours ingrained into their psyche. Get fucking rid.
Gardner won't make it.
Gestede, in the way we currently play, is a liability.
So when Tony said we still need 8 new players, he's not far short. That said I think 5-6 solid players with Elphick and McCormacks mentality will see us right. Chester and Jedinak/Ledley is a good start.
That's it for me as well. I realised the other day how low my standards and expectations had fallen when I found myself thinking that Hutton isn't all that bad afterall.
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So we're agreed then, it isn't the worst in our history.
If this team played last seasons team neither of them would win, neither would score either which is a good thing because then neither would collapse and go on to lose 3-0. 0-0 written all over it.
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If Amavi was the best left back in Europe the season prior to us signing him I can only assume not many teams played with a left back.
He really wasn't the best left back in Europe in Europe in 2014-15 Chris. There was simply some hyperbole when we signed him
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RDM why did you change the team tonight and filled it with absolute garbage?
FFS it's unbelievably annoying.
When I saw the team sheet. I just noticed that Amavi, Grealish, Green, Ayew and MCCormack were playing. I didn't notice Richards had been reinstated. When I spotted this and had the sinking feeling when I spotted he had the armband I nearly karate kicked the cat.
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If Amavi was the best left back in Europe the season prior to us signing him I can only assume not many teams played with a left back.
He really wasn't the best left back in Europe in Europe in 2014-15 Chris. There was simply some hyperbole when we signed him
He was placed in the team of the season based on ratings throughout the season or some such nonsense. Some bloke called Messi scraped in to the side as well.
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RDM why did you change the team tonight and filled it with absolute garbage?
FFS it's unbelievably annoying.
When I saw the team sheet. I just noticed that Amavi, Grealish, Green, Ayew and MCCormack were playing. I didn't notice Richards had been reinstated. When I spotted this and had the sinking feeling when I spotted he had the armband I nearly karate kicked the cat.
That was unforgivable really.
How RDM felt that ****** was remotely worthy of the captaincy is beyond me
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All it needed was a 30 minute cameo of Gabby getting vertigo, having 2 touches and cupping his ear to the crowd and it would have been a right old 2015/16 unwinables knees up again.
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RDM why did you change the team tonight and filled it with absolute garbage?
FFS it's unbelievably annoying.
When I saw the team sheet. I just noticed that Amavi, Grealish, Green, Ayew and MCCormack were playing. I didn't notice Richards had been reinstated. When I spotted this and had the sinking feeling when I spotted he had the armband I nearly karate kicked the cat.
That was unforgivable really.
How RDM felt that c*** was remotely worthy of the captaincy is beyond me
I know mate. I really shouldn't take it out on the poor cat.
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My audible groan from last night was made on hearing Gestede had come on. He did absolutely nothing.
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Another disgraceful part of our history however it's now clear the squad players are no up to it. Am sure moves are in motion to avoid another Luton. Just glad I didn't waste my money
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For definite:
Richards must go. Disgrace.
Okore must go. Refuse to play? Think you have a devine right to walk into our side? But make a mistake in EVERY match you play? Okay...fuck off you clown!
Hutton has the stink of failure all over him. Get rid. I don't dislike him as far as the fact he will keep on going for 90 minutes, but at what? He's a liability and has been too tarnished by persistent failure in his time here (individually and as part of a collective). By the same token, Westwood and Bacuna, though will probably do okay at Champ level, have just been here too long and had defeat in our colours ingrained into their psyche. Get fucking rid.
Gardner won't make it.
Gestede, in the way we currently play, is a liability.
So when Tony said we still need 8 new players, he's not far short. That said I think 5-6 solid players with Elphick and McCormacks mentality will see us right. Chester and Jedinak/Ledley is a good start.
That's it for me as well. I realised the other day how low my standards and expectations had fallen when I found myself thinking that Hutton isn't all that bad afterall.
yep about right,
so how do our managers choose the team, cuz WE CAN ALL SEE IT!
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
Jesus christ.....
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I'm sure he has been mentioned but I can't be arsed to look but for me ayew, sooner we get rid the better just like at West Ham for no reason throws his elbow sent off and a mountain to climb
Same again last night stupid lunge on there defender could of been the same, just a pretty boy and that ain't what we need at the moment
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
RDM not working...after two games? I'm glad you don't come to the games on a regular basis with that attitude.
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I’m coming in with a late game review as I missed the game last night and have only I’ve just downloaded and watched it this afternoon. Here are my player ratings:
Bunn: thought he did okay, certainly not at fault for the second or third goals. He made some good saves in amongst all the chaos in our box. Felt sorry for him as he is probably the only person at AVFC who would want more League Cup games. Having seen both him and Gollini now, it appears to me that Gollini is superior.
Okore: I’ve never really rated him, he has only looked good in comparison to other even worse options. Being so carefully placed into the corner, it was an own-goal that will long live in the memory. Hopefully he will only be providing backup to Elphick this season, although that may lead to him going on another strike. Can we sell him to Newcastle too?
Richards: passable at right back, had a bit of a nightmare again at centre-back although he wasn’t much helped by the midfield nor by Hutton or Okore either side of him. He seemed be forever lunging around trying to head the ball at waist height.
Baker: Unless you want to finger him, rather than Amavi, for allowing the Luton goal-scorer to run in between centre-back and left-back to score their equaliser, I thought he had an okay game. Having not yet read any post-match reports, I’m not sure why he was taken off at half-time.
Amavi: just pleased to see him back playing. Like Cissokho on Sunday, he struggled without help from Ayew/Grealish.
Gardner and Tshibola: I’m going to rate the two together because I think they had very similar games. Both sprayed some good passes about, both seemed to be completely overrun in midfield. Gardner put in the best cross of the game and Tshibola hit (outside of) post. When we played Sheffield Wednesday on Sunday, Bannan dropped back to cover their centre backs every time their fullbacks went forward. I couldn’t work out who was supposed to be protecting our back four (maybe it was more obvious in the stadium). As Sanchez has now gone off on loan, perhaps RDM could take a look at Lyden?
Green: he looks to be a winger who is good at crossing rather than one who is good at dribbling. However his best crosses came when Gestede wasn’t on the pitch (more on that later).
Grealish: he is obviously quality but I seem to recall a statistic that we lost every game in which he played last year. Well add two more to that ongoing total. We need to make more of all the free kicks he wins us around the box. He was also unlucky not to score...
McCormack: he looks a clever sort of player, making little darts here and there. It really highlights how bad Lerner left our squad that someone who has gone almost a whole career outside the top flight can look much better than almost all of our ex-Premier-League squad. Not sure why he went off, but our attack ceased to function when he did.
Ayew: I thought his goal was excellent, there were three defenders who were all favourites to clear the ball, yet Ayew showed great strength to hold them all off and finish very tidily. He disappeared in the second half once Gestede came on.
Subs
Hutton and Gestede: it turns out that bringing a poor player at half-time really highlights how rubbish they are. I assume the substitutions were made because RDM didn’t want to leave an early League Cup exit to chance. Hutton was just running here and there to no effect and immediately Luton were pouring down his flank. As for Gestede, I’ve noticed that all our good crosses occur when he isn’t playing and I don’t think this is coincidental. Basically attacks build down the centre before the ball goes out wide for crossing. With Gestede, nothing builds down the centre.
Final thoughts (1): It was an utter lower-league humiliation in which we were definitely second-best, yet oddly we did hit the woodwork four times...
Final thoughts (2): I’m not on twitter, so I get our good doctor’s tweets third-hand through the press but it can’t be long before the toys go out of the pram...
Final thoughts (3): on the download I was watching, with 10 minutes to go, the Russian commentator started listing Villa players from the 90s: “Dwight Yorke, Ian Taylor, Paul McGrath, Andy Townsend...”. I’m guessing he was doing a version of that famous 1980s Norwegian “Maggie Thatcher, Lord Beaverbrook, Sir Anthony Eden... your boys took a hell of a beating...” commentary.
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I’m coming in with a late game review as I missed the game last night and have only I’ve just downloaded and watched it this afternoon. Here are my player ratings:
Bunn: thought he did okay, certainly not at fault for the second or third goals. He made some good saves in amongst all the chaos in our box. Felt sorry for him as he is probably the only person at AVFC who would want more League Cup games. Having seen both him and Gollini now, it appears to me that Gollini is superior.
Okore: I’ve never really rated him, he has only looked good in comparison to other even worse options. Being so carefully placed into the corner, it was an own-goal that will long live in the memory. Hopefully he will only be providing backup to Elphick this season, although that may lead to him going on another strike. Can we sell him to Newcastle too?
Richards: passable at right back, had a bit of a nightmare again at centre-back although he wasn’t much helped by the midfield nor by Hutton or Okore either side of him. He seemed be forever lunging around trying to head the ball at waist height.
Baker: Unless you want to finger him, rather than Amavi, for allowing the Luton goal-scorer to run in between centre-back and left-back to score their equaliser, I thought he had an okay game. Having not yet read any post-match reports, I’m not sure why he was taken off at half-time.
Amavi: just pleased to see him back playing. Like Cissokho on Sunday, he struggled without help from Ayew/Grealish.
Gardner and Tshibola: I’m going to rate the two together because I think they had very similar games. Both sprayed some good passes about, both seemed to be completely overrun in midfield. Gardner put in the best cross of the game and Tshibola hit (outside of) post. When we played Sheffield Wednesday on Sunday, Bannan dropped back to cover their centre backs every time their fullbacks went forward. I couldn’t work out who was supposed to be protecting our back four (maybe it was more obvious in the stadium). As Sanchez has now gone off on loan, perhaps RDM could take a look at Lyden?
Green: he looks to be a winger who is good at crossing rather than one who is good at dribbling. However his best crosses came when Gestede wasn’t on the pitch (more on that later).
Grealish: he is obviously quality but I seem to recall a statistic that we lost every game in which he played last year. Well add two more to that ongoing total. We need to make more of all the free kicks he wins us around the box. He was also unlucky not to score...
McCormack: he looks a clever sort of player, making little darts here and there. It really highlights how bad Lerner left our squad that someone who has gone almost a whole career outside the top flight can look much better than almost all of our ex-Premier-League squad. Not sure why he went off, but our attack ceased to function when he did.
Ayew: I thought his goal was excellent, there were three defenders who were all favourites to clear the ball, yet Ayew showed great strength to hold them all off and finish very tidily. He disappeared in the second half once Gestede came on.
Subs
Hutton and Gestede: it turns out that bringing a poor player at half-time really highlights how rubbish they are. I assume the substitutions were made because RDM didn’t want to leave an early League Cup exit to chance. Hutton was just running here and there to no effect and immediately Luton were pouring down his flank. As for Gestede, I’ve noticed that all our good crosses occur when he isn’t playing and I don’t think this is coincidental. Basically attacks build down the centre before the ball goes out wide for crossing. With Gestede, nothing builds down the centre.
Final thoughts (1): It was an utter lower-league humiliation in which we were definitely second-best, yet oddly we did hit the woodwork four times...
Final thoughts (2): I’m not on twitter, so I get our good doctor’s tweets third-hand through the press but it can’t be long before the toys go out of the pram...
Final thoughts (3): on the download I was watching, with 10 minutes to go, the Russian commentator started listing Villa players from the 90s: “Dwight Yorke, Ian Taylor, Paul McGrath, Andy Townsend...”. I’m guessing he was doing a version of that famous 1980s Norwegian “Maggie Thatcher, Lord Beaverbrook, Sir Anthony Eden... your boys took a hell of a beating...” commentary.
I take my hat off to anyone who can download a 3 1 loss to Luton and actually watch it. You are truly a better fan than me!
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Baker: Unless you want to finger him, rather than Amavi
Blimey, neither of them to be honest.
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I know that people will say that it is money down the drain but I personally would tell certain players to empty their locker and depart from VP and Bodymoor Heath as they are no longer required to comply with their contract. They can sit at home and receive their monthly cheque unless anyone wishes to take them on for whatever offerings by way of transfer or wages they wish to offer. Then I would bring in some players, even perhaps from League 1 or 2, who would be prepared to run all day and give their all in an attempt to win the match. They need not be on a massive salary but maybe have bonuses for points gained/league position etc. These players would be supplemented by the younger players already at the club who have not yet been tainted by the overpaid prima donnas who have no desire to even attempt to break sweat to win matches. We would probably not be challenging for promotion this year but if the fans were informed of the policy by way of a club statement and saw a team giving their all on the pitch, then I am sure they would get behind them and back them. Eventually the club would hopefully be able to bring in/bring through players of sufficient ability to sustain a promotion challenge, and the foul taste of failure which pervades the club at present would have been washed away.
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Can I just say that it is a complete myth that Hutton 'tries his hardest'. It's complete bullshit. We have this view of him due to the nature of how he got back in to the team but that was a long time ago now. His desire is just as fucked as a lot of them are let alone being shit.
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Baker: Unless you want to finger him, rather than Amavi
Blimey, neither of them to be honest.
Baker's ring piece is the only part of him not tattooed (erm, I assume like). If it's as bearded as his chin you'd never see your finger again. But enough of fingering hapless defenders, as you were.
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If Amavi was the best left back in Europe the season prior to us signing him I can only assume not many teams played with a left back.
He really wasn't the best left back in Europe in Europe in 2014-15 Chris. There was simply some hyperbole when we signed him
He was placed in the team of the season based on ratings throughout the season or some such nonsense. Some bloke called Messi scraped in to the side as well.
That rings a bell Chris. My pet peeve was that stat / ranking was quoted last year as fact. To my knowledge he has played for France under 21s but not the full team, so he wasn't even the best in France, never mind Europe! (Not having a pop at you by the way)
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Can I just say that it is a complete myth that Hutton 'tries his hardest'. It's complete bullshit. We have this view of him due to the nature of how he got back in to the team but that was a long time ago now. His desire is just as fucked as a lot of them are let alone being shit.
This. Never tracks back and slow as shite
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Baker: Unless you want to finger him, rather than Amavi
Blimey, neither of them to be honest.
Baker's ring piece is the only part of him not tattooed (erm, I assume like). If it's as bearded as his chin you'd never see your finger again. But enough of fingering hapless defenders, as you were.
all this talk before the watershed, Mary whitehouse would turn in hope of getting some.
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''Baker's ring piece is the only part of him not tattooed (erm, I assume like). If it's as bearded as his chin you'd never see your finger again. But enough of fingering hapless defenders, as you were.''
I suspect the whole team may get fingered for punishment by Dr X if they lose again this weekend...
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I got back off holiday late last night and there was a saddo Smethwick fan on our flight gleefully checking the Villa score on his phone before we'd even reached the terminal.
Utterly obsessed with us they are.
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
RDM not working...after two games? I'm glad you don't come to the games on a regular basis with that attitude.
Charming
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It's a perfectly valid point. Turning on a manager after two games is moronic, just as it would've been had fans turned on Graham Taylor after his poor start as Villa manager.
Come to think of it, I seem to remember McLeish had quite a decent start!
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
RDM not working...after two games? I'm glad you don't come to the games on a regular basis with that attitude.
And I am glad that you are a better fan than me, reality check, we just got turned over by Luton. Wake up.
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
RDM not working...after two games? I'm glad you don't come to the games on a regular basis with that attitude.
And I am glad that you are a better fan than me, reality check, we just got turned over by Luton. Wake up.
And your answer would be to sack the manager after two games?
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
RDM not working...after two games? I'm glad you don't come to the games on a regular basis with that attitude.
And I am glad that you are a better fan than me, reality check, we just got turned over by Luton. Wake up.
And your answer would be to sack the manager after two games?
no it's not, just raising concerns because he is playing the same players and getting the same results. I was hoping that by now he would have realised that some of these players should never play for us again.
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
RDM not working...after two games? I'm glad you don't come to the games on a regular basis with that attitude.
And I am glad that you are a better fan than me, reality check, we just got turned over by Luton. Wake up.
And your answer would be to sack the manager after two games?
no it's not, just raising concerns because he is playing the same players and getting the same results. I was hoping that by now he would have realised that some of these players should never play for us again.
Maybe, after two games, he now has.
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Nah, Chicago Lion has convinced me. Di Matteo should've selected all those brilliant players we left out instead.
Sack him.
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
RDM not working...after two games? I'm glad you don't come to the games on a regular basis with that attitude.
And I am glad that you are a better fan than me, reality check, we just got turned over by Luton. Wake up.
And your answer would be to sack the manager after two games?
no it's not, just raising concerns because he is playing the same players and getting the same results. I was hoping that by now he would have realised that some of these players should never play for us again.
Maybe, after two games, he now has.
Just read your latest missive (very good) and, you seem as mystified as me.
There was some posts earlier about the worst Villa team ever, and I am not old enough to have seen them all. However in terms of attitude I can not remember seeing a Villa team with so many players where the attitude stinks.
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Neither can I, but then again I can remember Graham Taylor's second result.
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It's a perfectly valid point. Turning on a manager after two games is moronic, just as it would've been had fans turned on Graham Taylor after his poor start as Villa manager.
Come to think of it, I seem to remember McLeish had quite a decent start!
i have not turned on the manager and I am not a moron.
I am questioning his judgement which I think is fair considering the results and performances.
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Neither can I, but then again I can remember Graham Taylor's second result.
was that the blues defeat at home? I was there and remember trundling up the slope of Aston park and hearing KRO being belted out.
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It's a perfectly valid point. Turning on a manager after two games is moronic, just as it would've been had fans turned on Graham Taylor after his poor start as Villa manager.
Come to think of it, I seem to remember McLeish had quite a decent start!
i have not turned on the manager and I am not a moron.
I am questioning his judgement which I think is fair considering the results and performances.
After two games? Really?
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It's a perfectly valid point. Turning on a manager after two games is moronic, just as it would've been had fans turned on Graham Taylor after his poor start as Villa manager.
Come to think of it, I seem to remember McLeish had quite a decent start!
i have not turned on the manager and I am not a moron.
I am questioning his judgement which I think is fair considering the results and performances.
After two games? Really?
I'm fine with RDM but he didn't give the armband to Richards.
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Where are all these amazing players that should be playing instead of the ones RDM is picking? If he left out all the shit then we wouldn't be able to field a full team and I'm pretty sure that's against the rules.
Until more of the shit are replaced then RDM has to make do with what he's got as his disposal, and it's clearly evident that he's trying to see as many of them as possible in action before making final judgements...training and pre-season games don't give a manager the full picture so he has to make informed decisions. RDM also stated weeks ago that we could get off to a tough start and most of that is partly down to the crap deck of players that he needs to shuffle in the transfer window. We may not like these results at the moment, but he's going about it the right way...a little patience is required whilst the transfer window remains open.
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
RDM not working...after two games? I'm glad you don't come to the games on a regular basis with that attitude.
And I am glad that you are a better fan than me, reality check, we just got turned over by Luton. Wake up.
So by suggesting I need a reality check means I have to have serious doubts about a manager after two games like you? Thanks, but i'm happy to give him more time before jumping the gun going into our second league game.
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
RDM not working...after two games? I'm glad you don't come to the games on a regular basis with that attitude.
And I am glad that you are a better fan than me, reality check, we just got turned over by Luton. Wake up.
So by suggesting I need a reality check means I have to have serious doubts about a manager after two games like you? Thanks, but i'm happy to give him more time before jumping the gun going into our second league game.
And I agree with you on that. But your comments about attitude and attendance are completely out of order in my opinion.
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I'm fine with RDM but he didn't give the armband to Richards.
Who did then?
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It just is not surprising, why any one and this includes RDM thinks that by picking these players the outcome is going to change I have no idea.
A few of us keep saying that until there is a clear out of this squad, nothing will change.
I know its early but I am beginning to have serious doubts about RDM.
This is not working.
RDM not working...after two games? I'm glad you don't come to the games on a regular basis with that attitude.
And I am glad that you are a better fan than me, reality check, we just got turned over by Luton. Wake up.
So by suggesting I need a reality check means I have to have serious doubts about a manager after two games like you? Thanks, but i'm happy to give him more time before jumping the gun going into our second league game.
And I agree with you on that. But your comments about attitude and attendance are completely out of order in my opinion.
I wasn'nt knocking the fact that he doesn't attend games, given where he lives, that would be unfair. My point was that if he's going to panic and have doubts about a manager 180 minutes into his villa career, then i'm glad he's not doing it from the stands. Paitence is needed if we're going to get out of this division.
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There have also been a few times when you've suggested that posters on here might want to support another club from Birmingham because they disagree with your opinion, Clampy. Uncalled for.
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Of course it is too early to get on RDMs back but I do question the subs on Wednesday
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There have also been a few times when you've suggested that posters on here might want to support another club from Birmingham because they disagree with your opinion, Clampy. Uncalled for.
And i haven't said that in this case.
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I know. I was just pointing out that you have form for playing your "better fan than you" card to people who don't share your view. I'm sure I'm not the only poster on here to notice what comes across as a sly dig.
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I know. I was just pointing out that you have form for playing your "better fan than you" card to people who don't share your view. I'm sure I'm not the only poster on here to notice what comes across as a sly dig.
No l don't. If you'd like to produve several instances of this form you speak od then i'll be happy to read them.
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I know. I was just pointing out that you have form for playing your "better fan than you" card to people who don't share your view. I'm sure I'm not the only poster on here to notice what comes across as a sly dig.
No l don't. If you'd like to produve several instances of this form you speak od then i'll be happy to read them.
I didn't say several instances, I said a few. And I've got better things to do than to search through your old posts to show you what you must already know you posted. You did tell me a few months ago that I should watch my football at St Andrews, you said something similar to another poster more recently and now your dig at CL. There's few for you.
To be honest, I've already been dragged further into this childish exchange than I intended so I'll leave it there
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It doesn't matter what attitude the fans turn up with at Villa Park on match day because if the players aren't good enough the team isn't going to win many games. For all Clampy's call for positive attitude it isn't gonna make a fat lot of difference.
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Cheers Chico.
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