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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on April 09, 2016, 04:55:02 PM
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Norwich are useless having to make us wait another week. I was mentally prepared for it to be today. Complete and utter bollocks.
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And how very apt that it will be Man U that will relegate us.
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Our fans are incredible. The noise in that second half was amazing. Well done to all, and those of you who go and spend your money to watch the villa regularly.
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Me too, and given Palace's form you wouldn't have called that result :D
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It's all Norwich's fault.
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Right before Moyes takes over.
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Predictable. Arseholees.
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It was actually "fun" watching that piece of comedy shit - at least it is finished :)
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Boot. Human face. Forever.
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Ashamed. I feel more angry than i have done for months. 28 years i've supported this team and this is arguably the smallest team we've played in the top flight in that time - and they've beaten us at home comfortably on a day we're effectively relegated on. Ashamed.
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15 points back of Norwich, -41 GD to their -22. It's absolutely over. I'm having a beer because I'm at peace now.
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Our fans are incredible. The noise in that second half was amazing. Well done to all, and those of you who go and spend your money to watch the villa regularly.
Yeah agree completely with this, it's amazing that they could go and make all that noise while a goal down and with nothing to cheer. Our fans and Ayew are the only people who emerge from this disastrous season with any credit.
Eric Black can join the long list of people I'd happily fuck off at the end of the season. At least he's one we'll manage to get shot of.
Todays 'You've really excelled yourself with todays ineptitude' award goes to Kieron Richardson, possibly our worst ever signing.
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The strangulated cheers, stuck in the throats of all the people who live their footballing lives through the fortunes of Villa are the only, rather desperate bright spots of today.
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Several people have tweeted that if Sunderland win tomorrow we're down. As somebody who hasn't fallen under the Leicester spell, that would suit me just fine.
That 92/93 season...had to be those bastards that made it official, didn't it?
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15 points back of Norwich, -41 GD to their -22. It's absolutely over. I'm having a beer because I'm at peace now.
But what if we beat Man U 10-0? That would put the cat among the pigeons!
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Our fans are incredible. The noise in that second half was amazing. Well done to all, and those of you who go and spend your money to watch the villa regularly.
Yeah agree completely with this, it's amazing that they could go and make all that noise while a goal down and with nothing to cheer. Our fans and Ayew are the only people who emerge from this disastrous season with any credit.
Eric Black can join the long list of people I'd happily fuck off at the end of the season. At least he's one we'll manage to get shot of.
Todays 'You've really excelled yourself with todays ineptitude' award goes to Kieron Richardson, possibly our worst ever signing.
I will never understand why we signed Richardson. Were we that skint that he was the best we could come up with in a summer where we had just survived relegation?
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Eric Black can fuck right off, what on EARTH was he thinking with that starting line up? Perhaps he had a bet with KMac to see who could troll the Villa fans the best.
That was an absolute shambles. Anybody who thinks we're coming straight back up needs their head read. It'll be like turning round a glacier, reversing the losing mentality of this club.
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Several people have tweeted that if Sunderland win tomorrow we're down. As somebody who hasn't fallen under the Leicester spell, that would suit me just fine.
That 92/93 season...had to be those bastards that made it official, didn't it?
Not mathematically correct as it would only put them on 30. We have 16 so we could get to 31*
*stop laughing at the back
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Several people have tweeted that if Sunderland win tomorrow we're down. As somebody who hasn't fallen under the Leicester spell, that would suit me just fine.
That 92/93 season...had to be those bastards that made it official, didn't it?
Ah another day of torture and probable disappointment. It's old Trafford, always been old Trafford
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Stelling pointed out we came back up after one season - but we had Nigel Spink, David Platt, Tony Daley, Martin Keown and Alan McInally in that side. This team makes the 87 side look like Brazil.
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It's not about the side that came back up. It's the side that went down and if you lived through it there are lots of similarities with this one. There's going to be massive change in the summer.
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Stelling pointed out we came back up after one season - but we had Nigel Spink, David Platt, Tony Daley, Martin Keown and Alan McInally in that side. This team makes the 87 side look like Brazil.
Do we trust Lerner to stop making bad decisions and get this right? New board aside, buck stops with him and he is by far my biggest concern as we look to the future.
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We have known this result since Tim Sherwood.
If we thought Remi Garde was the problem? Shame on you.
Could he save us in the long term? We will never know
Will we try again to fix a hangover with buying a salat? yes - and again, and again
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Sad frustrated and angry...very very angry
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Several people have tweeted that if Sunderland win tomorrow we're down. As somebody who hasn't fallen under the Leicester spell, that would suit me just fine.
That 92/93 season...had to be those bastards that made it official, didn't it?
Not mathematically correct as it would only put them on 30. We have 16 so we could get to 31*
*stop laughing at the back
The Mail seem pretty certain that as it's Sunderland Norwich next week, if Sunderland win tomorrow, whatever the result, we can't catch one of them with the amount of points on offer. I don't really understand how.
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Several people have tweeted that if Sunderland win tomorrow we're down. As somebody who hasn't fallen under the Leicester spell, that would suit me just fine.
That 92/93 season...had to be those bastards that made it official, didn't it?
Not mathematically correct as it would only put them on 30. We have 16 so we could get to 31*
*stop laughing at the back
But they still have to play Norwich and somebody has to win.
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We scored s goal, be thankful
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Several people have tweeted that if Sunderland win tomorrow we're down. As somebody who hasn't fallen under the Leicester spell, that would suit me just fine.
That 92/93 season...had to be those bastards that made it official, didn't it?
Not mathematically correct as it would only put them on 30. We have 16 so we could get to 31*
*stop laughing at the back
They play each other next week, which would mean at least one side ends that day on more than 32. Therefore can only finish as high as 18th.
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Eric Black on Final Score......'Come Monday we dust our selves down and go again.'
I thought that line was copyrighted by Lambert.
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We can't even manage to do relegation properly.
And what the hell was that team selection about, has Black been smoking crack or something?
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Eric Black on Final Score......'Come Monday we dust our selves down and go again.'
I thought that line was copyrighted by Lambert.
Jesus we must be so caked in dust by now we've got a bigger desert than the Sahara.
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Several people have tweeted that if Sunderland win tomorrow we're down. As somebody who hasn't fallen under the Leicester spell, that would suit me just fine.
That 92/93 season...had to be those bastards that made it official, didn't it?
Not mathematically correct as it would only put them on 30. We have 16 so we could get to 31*
*stop laughing at the back
They play each other next week, which would mean at least one side ends that day on more than 32. Therefore can only finish as high as 18th.
No I realise that and at 16 points and -41 GD we are down. I'm just saying tomorrow won't see us actually relegated even though for all intents and purposes we are right now. But yes the fact that they need to play each other deems everything moot anyway. I suppose the earth could come to an end with a massive meteor destroying everything and save us the final humiliation.
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We have known this result since Tim Sherwood.
If we thought Remi Garde was the problem? Shame on you.
Could he save us in the long term? We will never know
Will we try again to fix a hangover with buying a salat? yes - and again, and again
I don't think I've ever read or heard anyone say that Remi Garde was the problem. But a lot of people doubted that he would be the solution and, certainly in the time he was here, he wasn't.
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Our fans are incredible. The noise in that second half was amazing. Well done to all, and those of you who go and spend your money to watch the villa regularly.
Yeah agree completely with this, it's amazing that they could go and make all that noise while a goal down and with nothing to cheer. Our fans and Ayew are the only people who emerge from this disastrous season with any credit.
Eric Black can join the long list of people I'd happily fuck off at the end of the season. At least he's one we'll manage to get shot of.
Todays 'You've really excelled yourself with todays ineptitude' award goes to Kieron Richardson, possibly our worst ever signing.
I will never understand why we signed Richardson. Were we that skint that he was the best we could come up with in a summer where we had just survived relegation?
I think Roy Keane recommended him.
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Several people have tweeted that if Sunderland win tomorrow we're down. As somebody who hasn't fallen under the Leicester spell, that would suit me just fine.
That 92/93 season...had to be those bastards that made it official, didn't it?
Not mathematically correct as it would only put them on 30. We have 16 so we could get to 31*
*stop laughing at the back
They play each other next week, which would mean at least one side ends that day on more than 32. Therefore can only finish as high as 18th.
No I realise that and at 16 points and -41 GD we are down. I'm just saying tomorrow won't see us actually relegated even though for all intents and purposes we are right now. But yes the fact that they need to play each other deems everything moot anyway. I suppose the earth could come to an end with a massive meteor destroying everything and save us the final humiliation.
It might be phenomenally unlikely but today there is a set of results that will see us say up.
If Sunderland win tomorrow, there is no set of results under which we can survive. Therefore we will be relegated if Sunderland win tomorrow.
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I left on about 78 minutes, not because of the score, or the performance or even the impending relegation, but because I had another obligation to see to that puts all this nonsense into perspective.
I feel aggrieved slightly that Palace saved their first league win of the year for today - like others I wanted it done and dusted so that we can prepare for the future, perhaps get a new manager in now (McCarthy? Perr-leese!), maybe find out what they'll be charging of season cards, etc.
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It's not about the side that came back up. It's the side that went down and if you lived through it there are lots of similarities with this one. There's going to be massive change in the summer.
I disagree this one is worse. Much worse. There was a basis of a decent reconstruction job with the right man in 86-87 and some of the players others wanted.
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Fucking horrible as it has been forever. Black just play an attacking team.
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Our fans are incredible. The noise in that second half was amazing. Well done to all, and those of you who go and spend your money to watch the villa regularly.
Yeah agree completely with this, it's amazing that they could go and make all that noise while a goal down and with nothing to cheer. Our fans and Ayew are the only people who emerge from this disastrous season with any credit.
Eric Black can join the long list of people I'd happily fuck off at the end of the season. At least he's one we'll manage to get shot of.
Todays 'You've really excelled yourself with todays ineptitude' award goes to Kieron Richardson, possibly our worst ever signing.
I will never understand why we signed Richardson. Were we that skint that he was the best we could come up with in a summer where we had just survived relegation?
I think Roy Keane recommended him.
I honestly think he is the worse left back we have had. Worse than Bernie even. He is so bad that even a player as bad as Cissokho deserves to start ahead of him
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Stelling pointed out we came back up after one season - but we had Nigel Spink, David Platt, Tony Daley, Martin Keown and Alan McInally in that side. This team makes the 87 side look like Brazil.
Do we trust Lerner to stop making bad decisions and get this right? New board aside, buck stops with him and he is by far my biggest concern as we look to the future.
I think the reason we have the new board is so that Lerner does not have to make any more crap decisions.
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The disabled kids at half time put in more fuckin effort than the main team ffs
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Well, what can you say. There was a bit more effort, Ayew and Sinclair caused them a few problems, our defence caused us problems, another mediocre side leaves VP with 3 points having not had to do much to get them.
I left after 81 mins, can't remember the last time I left early but I was bored and cold. So I didn't even see us score.
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And there remains one thing to be proud of about the club at the moment, and that's us. That spell of singing in the second half was great, we even joined in up in the Upper North.
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Nice of Tony Parkes to tell us to 'fcuk off' too.
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Nice of Tony Parkes to tell us to 'fcuk off' too.
What happened there mate?
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Worth mentioning that the Sunderland-Norwich game next week is a 1245 kickoff. So, even if Sunderland don't win tomorrow, we will still be relegated before our game of Norwich avoid defeat.
I'd prefer that. Don't want Man U to relegate us after all the misery they've put us through over the years.
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Another of those 'runs'.
It's now 8 defeats on the spin.
8 fucking defeats on the bounce and it barely registers, because it's practically the norm.
Fuck off!!
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Another of those 'runs'.
It's now 8 defeats on the spin.
8 fucking defeats on the bounce and it barely registers, because it's practically the norm.
Fuck off!!
No, Fuck off.
And when you get there,
fuck right off again.
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Stelling pointed out we came back up after one season - but we had Nigel Spink, David Platt, Tony Daley, Martin Keown and Alan McInally in that side. This team makes the 87 side look like Brazil.
Do we trust Lerner to stop making bad decisions and get this right? New board aside, buck stops with him and he is by far my biggest concern as we look to the future.
I think the reason we have the new board is so that Lerner does not have to make any more crap decisions.
That's certainly the theory. Start to worry if one of them resigns.
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Another of those 'runs'.
It's now 8 defeats on the spin.
8 fucking defeats on the bounce and it barely registers, because it's practically the norm.
Fuck off!!
No.
Fuck off.
And when you get there,
fuck right off again.
(Not you that is, I mean the rotting remains of this club).
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Nice of Tony Parkes to tell us to 'fcuk off' too.
What happened there mate?
There were lots of comments from behind the dug-out at the half-time whistle "rubbish" "pathetic" "crap" etc which he responded with the first one, then when the bench came out for the second half and they got a load more he told us again. If he was that aggressive towards the players, as opposed to the fans, then the players might have a bit more fight about them.
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I'm sad..and angry...very very angry.
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Several people have tweeted that if Sunderland win tomorrow we're down. As somebody who hasn't fallen under the Leicester spell, that would suit me just fine.
That 92/93 season...had to be those bastards that made it official, didn't it?
Not mathematically correct as it would only put them on 30. We have 16 so we could get to 31*
*stop laughing at the back
But Norwich have to play Sunderland. So one or both of them is going to get points.
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Quite unbelievable, what the hell does he expect?
Another imbecile to get rid of.
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Nice of Tony Parkes to tell us to 'fcuk off' too.
What happened there mate?
There were lots of comments from behind the dug-out at the half-time whistle "rubbish" "pathetic" "crap" etc which he responded with the first one, then when the bench came out for the second half and they got a load more he told us again. If he was that aggressive towards the players, as opposed to the fans, then the players might have a bit more fight about them.
Is there any other line of business in which you can tell your customers to fuck off and keep your job ?
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Domanatrix?
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I think this is the year that we'll get relegated
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When we lose the next 3 games we can flip around a very famous quote from our Mr Saunders.
'A few games after the season I was speaking to the great Bill Shank. And we were talking about the criticism or lack of credit we had received. He turned to me and said Listen, you lose 25 games in a season you expect to be relegated. You've done it in style you've lost 26.'
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I'm starting to think we won't be winning the league this season.
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Nice of Tony Parkes to tell us to 'fcuk off' too.
What happened there mate?
There were lots of comments from behind the dug-out at the half-time whistle "rubbish" "pathetic" "crap" etc which he responded with the first one, then when the bench came out for the second half and they got a load more he told us again. If he was that aggressive towards the players, as opposed to the fans, then the players might have a bit more fight about them.
Is there any other line of business in which you can tell your customers to fuck off and keep your job ?
Only Villa. We had it with Culverhouse and with Lambert too. Both on separate occasions doing the same thing. Not sure a member of the ticket office staff would get away with telling an irate customer to fcuk off...
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Nice of Tony Parkes to tell us to 'fcuk off' too.
What happened there mate?
There were lots of comments from behind the dug-out at the half-time whistle "rubbish" "pathetic" "crap" etc which he responded with the first one, then when the bench came out for the second half and they got a load more he told us again. If he was that aggressive towards the players, as opposed to the fans, then the players might have a bit more fight about them.
Is there any other line of business in which you can tell your customers to fuck off and keep your job ?
Only Villa. We had it with Culverhouse and with Lambert too. Both on separate occasions doing the same thing. Not sure a member of the ticket office staff would get away with telling an irate customer to fcuk off...
Could you report it to the club? There's a disgraceful attitude at Villa that really has to be stamped out.
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Well Eric Black can fuck right off. Adama and Grealish on the bench and he starts with Kieron fucking Richardson. He's just taking the piss. Only redeeming feature of today was the gallows humour and noise in the Upper Holte in the second half - and fair play to the Bournemouth fans who applauded us several times, and to the fat bloke in the corner who took his shirt off, and to all the kids at half time. And it was cold. And I'm pissed off.
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What's the point. I know it was reported when Lambert did it, but all they did was put in a new seat for a steward to sit facing the fans.
Another interesting point was that Lyden came and sat with the fans in the second half rather than than on the bench. Really odd.
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Being pitied by Bournemouth fans dear God.
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Another of those 'runs'.
It's now 8 defeats on the spin.
8 fucking defeats on the bounce and it barely registers, because it's practically the norm.
Fuck off!!
No, Fuck off.
And when you get there,
fuck right off again.
then fuck off some more
keeping fucking off til you get back here
then fuck off again
jesus how many goals do we concede in first half injury time
still we had a nice time throwing plastic balls
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First visit of the season to VP and I left feeling very sad about the state of our club. At 2pm I walked straight up to the ticket office (no queue at all) and bought a ticket in the seat next to my nephew who is a season ticket holde. Plenty of space in the Upper Holte.
The team selection was straight from the Kevin Mac book of 'please sack me because I am clueless/spiteful' actions. Just a stupid team to put out.
The team were as shit as we thought they would be. A number of players were booed before the game but a can't see how it helps to continue booing Bacuna throughout the game even if he is a dickhead.
Black will select Traore and Grealish for the Utd game, they will be great and sold to them in the summer.
Even the corporate boxes and hospitality seats were only half full.
We did enjoy the sing song in the second half and the players seemed to Up the tempo. Sadly most of them are just shit. Their second goal was horrifying and ours was rather good.
I'm just so sad about the state we are in. It's already a long way back from here.
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I think this is the year that we'll get relegated
Chin up, I've still got my fingers crossed that some kind of natural disaster will cause the league to be abandoned. #believe
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Being pitied by Bournemouth fans dear God.
Indeed. Little Bournemouth for fuck sake. What a disgusting mess Lerner has built.
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What's the point. I know it was reported when Lambert did it, but all they did was put in a new seat for a steward to sit facing the fans.
Another interesting point was that Lyden came and sat with the fans in the second half rather than than on the bench. Really odd.
I'd still do it mate. I know the club will probably email back the usual drivel, but he shouldn't get away with this.
Good job I wasn't sat there!
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We scored a goal :)
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Can Sunderland winning tomorrow relegate us? I'd rather us go that way.
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Idiotic team selection. Why leave Grealish on the bench until the final few minutes? Switched off on a set piece right before half time and then a Clark special finished us off.
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Can Sunderland winning tomorrow relegate us? I'd rather us go that way.
Yeo coz Sunderland and Norwich play each other next week.
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Can Sunderland winning tomorrow relegate us? I'd rather us go that way.
Yes. As they play Norwich next week which would guarantee one of them will be 16+ points ahead of us.
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academic though isn't it - the reality is, we were relegated months ago, probably after Tim's Leicester fuckup, only we didn't realise it.
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Phew, good effort lads. Bournemouth at fortresses VP. That was a toughy. Don't worry (I know you won't) , the tens of thousands of pounds you're paid per week will be nestling in your accounts. Keep pretend trying and you'll draw a game before the season is out.
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What's the point. I know it was reported when Lambert did it, but all they did was put in a new seat for a steward to sit facing the fans.
Another interesting point was that Lyden came and sat with the fans in the second half rather than than on the bench. Really odd.
What happened to Lyden? Unless he was injured it was a bit harsh really as I thought he was doing OK.
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He did okay when he had the ball, I just couldn't work out where he was meant to be playing. Seemed to just run after ball wherever it was.
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What's the point. I know it was reported when Lambert did it, but all they did was put in a new seat for a steward to sit facing the fans.
Another interesting point was that Lyden came and sat with the fans in the second half rather than than on the bench. Really odd.
What happened to Lyden? Unless he was injured it was a bit harsh really as I thought he was doing OK.
Can only think it was to move Gana back into midfield - he was a fish out of water playing in front of the mid 4/behind Ayew. The shape of the team in the first half was another weird one by Black, matched only by his idiotic team selection
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Last week Eric Black was in the media telling us all that Villa need to win the fans back.
So why the fuck did he pick that starting XI?
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Will there be a lap of "HONOUR" at the end of the season?
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No, because it's not that called that.
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Bastards the lot of them. No pride and all the toss regarding the club badge. Might as well have the cowardly lion on the badge with the motto 'If only we had a brain, a heart some courage'. Was going to go to this as had saturday off but just knew the outcome and knew that there would be no fight.
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Will there be a lap of "HONOUR" at the end of the season?
Lap of shame with Gabby, Richards, Guzan and Lescott leading the pack
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No, because it's not that called that.
Not that, called that, what you saying? 😀
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I think this is the year that we'll get relegated
Chin up, I've still got my fingers crossed that some kind of natural disaster will cause the league to be abandoned. #believe
well if it's proved that the three clubs named had players using performance enhancing substances then there's hope not just for us but Sunderland and Newcastle too
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Yeah, Villa are American owned, so it's a lap of honor
....but as Mr Shin said, it's not called that anyway.
Anyhow, whatever it's called, I can't see there bring one this year.
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academic though isn't it - the reality is, we were relegated months ago, probably after Tim's Leicester fuckup, only we didn't realise it.
that was when our balloon was definitely pricked
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Yeah, Villa are American owned, so it's a lap of honor
....but as Mr Shin said, it's not called that anyway.
Anyhow, whatever it's called, I can't see there bring one this year.
more like a Walk of Shame
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It's called a lap of appreciation. Gabby is giving out free shisha to 100 lucky supporters.
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The only possible explanation I can come up with for Richardson's inclusion today is that if he doesn't make 40 appearances for the club we have to give him a new contract. But why wait 82 minutes before dragging him off?
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Yeah, Villa are American owned, so it's a lap of honor
....but as Mr Shin said, it's not called that anyway.
Anyhow, whatever it's called, I can't see there bring one this year.
more like a Walk of Shame
Can't be that either, a walk of shame normally means you've scored.
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Eric Black
What a pathetic, PATHETIC, team selection that was.
You've had all week to work on a formation to put out for this afternoon's game and you come up with that?
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Monty pythons classic "Bring out ya dead" springs to mind
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Yeah, Villa are American owned, so it's a lap of honor
....but as Mr Shin said, it's not called that anyway.
Anyhow, whatever it's called, I can't see there bring one this year.
The word is 'honour' regardless of who owns us.
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Eric Black on Final Score......'Come Monday we dust our selves down and go again.'
I thought that line was copyrighted by Lambert.
Not replacing Richardson till the last few minutes was typical Lambert
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It's called a lap of appreciation. Gabby is giving out free shisha to 100 lucky supporters.
I can envision about 10000 giving him back rotten fruit to show their appreciation.
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It's not about the side that came back up. It's the side that went down and if you lived through it there are lots of similarities with this one. There's going to be massive change in the summer.
I sincerely hope your right but I fear for the worst. Our only decent players will be gone, I think we will have a journeyman manager (Moyes isn't coming), there won't be much money to spend (orders from Lerner will be to limit outlay - he's already lost a fortune), and our worst players are all on long term contracts that we are stuck with for 2-3 years. If Lerner sells up for a bargain, perhaps the turn round may start but new board or not, some of these problems are going to take a number of years to unwind.
We had it coming.
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Will there be a lap of "HONOUR" at the end of the season?
The "traditional" lap of appreciation will be replaced by a lap of depreciation - when rotting fruit will be provided.
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Could not believe Richardson and Bacuna were starting today. The crowd were stunned and it immediately created a negative atmosphere. Well done Black - fucking idiot!
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Nice of Tony Parkes to tell us to 'fcuk off' too.
Good. We had a decent keeper before he came
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Could not believe Richardson and Bacuna were starting today. The crowd were stunned and it immediately created a negative atmosphere. Well done Black - fucking idiot!
I honestly thought I'd misheard the team on the radio on the way to the ground.
I can't believe Black went negative in a game where he had nothing to lose.
I know Traore is a bit hit and miss
But Richardson is miss and miss!!
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You can imagine the conversation on Friday, we've got this midfield role between Grealish, Traore, Green, Vertout, Gil or Richardson.Who do you think the fans will want to see and offer us the most, Richardson it is then!
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My biggest disappointment today was that Richards didn't come on, was looking forward to that Hodge like piece of shit getting the abuse he deserves, the team selected today was laughable, KIERON RICHARDSON!
It's the first time ever that I haven't cheered or clapped a Villa goal. Highlight for me was the support, for Aston Villa, not the disgraceful team. At one stage I asked to look at my son's programme to see who it was who was controlling the midfield and dancing round our midfield. Dan Gosling. Fucking DAN GOSLIN.
Stayed to the end to show my displeasure and it was nice to see the Bournemouth players returning the applause from some of the Villa support. This team are without doubt worse than the '87 team. I've had no idea who Eric Black was until recently, he can fuck off as well.
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Anyone else think Randy has a few million on us getting less than 20 points?
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You can imagine the conversation on Friday, we've got this midfield role between Grealish, Traore, Green, Vertout, Gil or Richardson.Who do you think the fans will want to see and offer us the most, Richardson it is then!
Bizarre. Totally Bizarre.
I know Black was in the press on Thursday saying how he basically couldn't trust Traore.
So he picks Rlichardson.....
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But why not give Traore a go? We can all see he is a raw talent who might not do all that he should re tracking back but it's not as if a lapse from him would put us down. We are already cooked so perhaps just give a lad who might lift our spirits a go?
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Was that Jordan Lyden's full debut?
The poor bastard having to play next and cover the 'pointer' Westwood. He (Westwood) was shocking.
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How did Lyden do? Have a feeling he'll be playing lots next season.
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How did Lyden do? Have a feeling he'll be playing lots next season.
One tweet I saw compared him to Chris Herd, with all the associations of that comparison. I think he saw they were both Aussies and tried to be clever.
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He wasn't great but he wasn't playing alongside iniesta or xavi, so not worthy of boos just yet. The kick off in the second half summed it up for me. 2 passes and give the ball away. Fucking pathetic. My youngest declined to go today....wish the other 2 had. Bournemouth were not great and we never gave them a game. I could handle this shite if we were playing great teams every week..but we're not its a really poor league and we are the shite of the shite.
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Among other things, it was our only opportunity for a league double over a team. Small beans, but still a bit of a pisser.
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I genuinly don't get it, we can all see that Grealish and Traore are our most exciting and creative players, starting them may not have meant we'd have won the game but it would have given us an outlet that we have missed almost all season, instead he went with fucking Richardson, he's been shit for a decade, held aloft by the Albion fans as some sort of hero, hes shite, hes always been shite, it makes no sense, an absolute wimp of a manager.
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Just home. This week I will reserve my bile for Eric Black. We have had a run of managers who seem to be completely blind to the need to try new approaches to ingrained failure. MON was as stubborn as a mule, so was McLeish, so was Lambert, so was Sherwood, so was KMac, so was Garde and now we have another in the shape of Eric f*cking Black.
I am reminded of the scene in The Madness of King George where the poor, suffering, dying monarch is in bed surrounded by bewigged quack physicians, smelling his shit, blistering his body with red hot cups, bleeding his veins and covering him with leeches. Nobody challenges this torture of the king because the physicians claim to know best.
Richardson is useless but a "manager" knows best so he is in the team. Bacuna is useless but a "manager" knows best so he is in the team. Traore is a crowd pleaser but a "manager" knows best so he gets only a few minutes when the game is lost. Ditto Jack Grealish.
The managers hold the fans in utter contempt and the board lets them get away with it.
Gestede was crap today, willowy, weak, slow and diagonal leaping at its worst.
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Among other things, it was our only opportunity for a league double over a team. Small beans, but still a bit of a pisser.
They even won the tie on away goals. Literally nothing has gone right even the shit that doesn't even apply. Laughable in a not remotely funny kind of a way.
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This caretaking business is shit. You can't really sack the caretaker can you?
We would be better off picking a long suffering fan off the stands and giving them a go at it.
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Just home. This week I will reserve my bile for Eric Black. We have had a run of managers who seem to be completely blind to the need to try new approaches to ingrained failure. MON was as stubborn as a mule, so was McLeish, so was Lambert, so was Sherwood, so was KMac, so was Garde and now we have another in the shape of Eric f*cking Black.
I am reminded of the scene in The Madness of King George where the poor, suffering, dying monarch is in bed surrounded by bewigged quack physicians, smelling his shit, blistering his body with red hot cups, bleeding his veins and covering him with leeches. Nobody challenges this torture of the king because the physicians claim to know best.
Richardson is useless but a "manager" knows best so he is in the team. Bacuna is useless but a "manager" knows best so he is in the team. Traore is a crowd pleaser but a "manager" knows best so he gets only a few minutes when the game is lost. Ditto Jack Grealish.
The managers hold the fans in utter contempt and the board lets them get away with it.
Gestede was crap today, willowy, weak, slow and diagonal leaping at its worst.
I've put this somewhere else, but maybe he's putting the players we don't want in the shop window, so to speak; trying to sell them.
Not playing our best guys is an attempt to keep them.
Not much I know, but some explanation.
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Eric black
Don't come on the TV again and say we have to win the fans back over
Really exactly how are you going to do that playing that team ?...
What exactly was the question if the answer was richardson
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Just home. This week I will reserve my bile for Eric Black. We have had a run of managers who seem to be completely blind to the need to try new approaches to ingrained failure. MON was as stubborn as a mule, so was McLeish, so was Lambert, so was Sherwood, so was KMac, so was Garde and now we have another in the shape of Eric f*cking Black.
I am reminded of the scene in The Madness of King George where the poor, suffering, dying monarch is in bed surrounded by bewigged quack physicians, smelling his shit, blistering his body with red hot cups, bleeding his veins and covering him with leeches. Nobody challenges this torture of the king because the physicians claim to know best.
Richardson is useless but a "manager" knows best so he is in the team. Bacuna is useless but a "manager" knows best so he is in the team. Traore is a crowd pleaser but a "manager" knows best so he gets only a few minutes when the game is lost. Ditto Jack Grealish.
The managers hold the fans in utter contempt and the board lets them get away with it.
Gestede was crap today, willowy, weak, slow and diagonal leaping at its worst.
I've put this somewhere else, but maybe he's putting the players we don't want in the shop window, so to speak; trying to sell them.
Not playing our best guys is an attempt to keep them.
Not much I know, but some explanation.
How does that explain not playing Richards though?
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I've put this somewhere else, but maybe he's putting the players we don't want in the shop window, so to speak; trying to sell them.
Not playing our best guys is an attempt to keep them.
Not much I know, but some explanation.
If that was his aim, he'd have been better off locking them in a cupboard somewhere and burning all the DVDs of their past performances.
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Dan Gosling. Dan. Gosling. Dan Gosling ran the midfield today. Dan Gosling.
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Eric Black fuck off and take your mate Kieron with you
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The line up was just abject even in a season of utter abjectness.
The midfield was awful as usual. Only Gana shows some effort and he gives the ball away more often than not.
The defence provided the usual horror moments for their goals. Clark tried but then threw in another mistake.
Only Ayew showed any sign of the requisite skill levels at premiership level.
I don't agree with personal abuse of players and staff despite the appalling season but equally I just couldn't fathom why a significant number near the tunnel and in the disabled section gave the players an ovation as they left. Probably the same ones who applauded Hutton off last week.
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It's just become a massive piss take now. Ive nothing but contempt for these dumb, over paid, lazy arseholes.
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My first match at HQ for a number of months. Some observations: I don't like the booing/jeering of Bacuna/Guzan before they've had a chance to do anything wrong. Yes I know the players have been pathetic but it's no wonder they can't do anything right if they're getting shit from the get go. Having said which I did find the almost comedy atmosphere quite reassuring and even enjoyable. Essentially "we're so bad we'll have a laugh about it". It was great to see a goal and there was a brief 30 seconds when I thought we might get a point. Given I was kind of hoping we'd go down I was surprised how excited I was by this development. A halfway decent team next year will be a pleasure to behold.
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Nice to see the Club and Team captains take to the field and provide some guidance and leadership to their team.
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Omitting Grealish, Traore, Vertout, Sanchez & Gil. Playing Richardson, Bacuna & Westwood. Utterly, utterly perplexing.
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To criticise Black does appear to be an act of the utmost pointlessness and irrelevance, I know, but there is something about what he did today, and the utter lack of wit, imagination and originality that he showed in his team selection, that sums up the Villa tragedy of recent years. Who is he and what's he doing at the club? Look at his CV and you see an honest journeyman, both as a player and coach, who has done nothing in the game. His career seems to be a story of being given jobs by mates at middling sized clubs. A natural sidekick and Number 3. If he was any good he'd have made his mark long ago and the fact that he hasn't says it all really.
And yet he rocks up at the Villa, assists Garde in the early days of our 8 game losing streak and is now in charge of the first team. Read those words and weep and, in a nutshell, don't they just encapsulate what is, and has been, so wrong at the club for years now? Eric bloody Black running the Villa first team in the Premiership. Jeez, we just can't go any lower.
Can we?
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I trust Sir Brian watched that unfold today? I hope he advises the board to rid the club of Eric Black asap. There's still people in charge of vital positions at the club who've absolutely no right to be there. Why is Reilly still at the club??
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To criticise Black does appear to be an act of the utmost pointlessness and irrelevance, I know, but there is something about what he did today, and the utter lack of wit, imagination and originality that he showed in his team selection, that sums up the Villa tragedy of recent years. Who is he and what's he doing at the club? Look at his CV and you see an honest journeyman, both as a player and coach, who has done nothing in the game. His career seems to be a story of being given jobs by mates at middling sized clubs. A natural sidekick and Number 3. If he was any good he'd have made his mark long ago and the fact that he hasn't says it all really.
And yet he rocks up at the Villa, assists Garde in the early days of our 8 game losing streak and is now in charge of the first team. Read those words and weep and, in a nutshell, don't they just encapsulate what is, and has been, so wrong at the club for years now? Eric bloody Black running the Villa first team in the Premiership. Jeez, we just can't go any lower.
Can we?
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My point exactly Dave. I said two months ago that the remainder of the season was vital to us after the January debacle because under no circumstances must we allow rigor mortis to set in. That is exactly what has happened. The next season is only four months away. These games like today are part of the preparation for next season. It is a no brainer. If we try to correct everything that has gone wrong in the couple of months before the new season kicks off we will be as under prepared for 2017 as we were for 2016. Eric Black's same old same old, including Lambert's go again mantra, is the very worst thing that could happen to us. It is yet another example of unwitting sabotage by incompetence
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The culture of failure and unprofessionalism is so ingrained at Villa that I fear next season will be painful.
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There's some games where you can at least pick a man of the match and today you couldn't, they were all terrible. Why he picked Richardson was anyone's guess. It didn't make any sense.
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Pisses me off. We're down, we've been down for yonks, how hard can it be to try and entertain us by just going for it. I'd rather lose 6-2 by going gung-ho than keep watching us try to keep it tight, make a defensive fuck up and lose anyway at home to shit like Bournemouth. And by that I mean they were nothing special at all, but like so many crap/average sides this season, they didn't need to be to stroll away with a win.
Memo to everyone coaching etc at the Villa, this is meant to be fucking fun!
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There's some games where you can at least pick a man of the match and today you couldn't, they were all terrible. Why he picked Richardson was anyone's guess. It didn't make any sense.
if it was to put these turds in the shop window , then what a fart blast that was.
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academic though isn't it - the reality is, we were relegated months ago, probably after Tim's Leicester fuckup, only we didn't realise it.
that was when our balloon was definitely pricked
Away at Sunderland and Norwich killed us
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Some of our greatest historical figures may have been Scots but Eric Black is the latest in a line of relatively recent Scottish managers and caretakers - from McNeill, through McLeish, Lambert and McDonald - who have offered little apart from dour negativity and clueless tactical fuckwittery. I know it's irrational but I'd be quite happy to never see another Scot as manager at Villa unless Ferguson fancies a last hurrah.
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That 62/63 record of 11 straight league defeats is going to be beaten isnt it, one last humiliation before we bow out of the top flight, I fuckin despair.
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The 12th game would be Newcastle at home. We'll do something saft like draw at Manure though.
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The 12th game would be Newcastle at home. We'll do something saft like draw at Manure though.
I think we'll equal it. They are the next worse team and we should get something - they are a zombie team whereas we are dead
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The only remaining positive is we relegate Newcastle. As shit as we've been, if we sent them down again I would laugh.
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The only thing eeve got left is too bring those sour petty ****** down with us..... .
We'll fuck that up to.
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He picked Sinclair & Richardson to give cover to the full backs, how about trying to get on front foot rather than play for a 0-0
Maximum respect for those who still can muster anger & fury - me I just want this over with
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Sat in the upper Bolts, fans were great.
As for the game. What the fucking fuck did Eric Cack put Richardson in for? Useless clown of a footballer and no future at the club, playing left mid. Missed a sitter that my 90 year old mother in law would have stuck away, nice from Adama though. We play with wingers, sort of, but no Gestede, when last week, no wingers but Gestede plays. Gana playing further forward, offered nothing but at least made tackles. How the fuck did Richardson stay on for over 80 minutes? Clark and yet another stupid mistake. They had three goes at that same corner routine before Bournemouth got it right and scored. Idiotic defending. There is no way on God's earth that there was 31000 fans in that stadium today. I guess they go on tickets sold? 25000 at the absolute most for me. One shot on target in the whole match. We scored from it, so something to cheer about I suppose. Bacuna, Sissokho and Westwood were shit, as usual and flapper Guzan does what he does. Got to rip it apart and rebuild. Get the new man in this week.
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Yep it's tickets sold rather than amount through the turnstiles. I think a lot of ST holders gave today a miss.
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Yep it's tickets sold rather than amount through the turnstiles. I think a lot of ST holders gave today a miss.
I reckon so PWS. I'd love to know what the real attendance was.
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If ever further proof was needed that the official Villa News & Record has sunk as low as the team in recent times, it was confirmed in today's edition:-
Page 4, Eric Black's word: '...today marks an important day in the club's calendar as we celebrate Acorns Day. Although I have only been here for a few months, I've learned a lot about the special relationship between Aston Villa Football Club and Acorn's Children's Hospice'.
Just three pages later on Page 7, the thoughts of Micah Richards: 'Today's match marks Acorns Day and I've learned a lot in the past year about the special relationship between the club and its charity partner'.
Either Black and Richards have remarkably similar thoughts, and manner of elucidating them, or those words were made up on their respective behalfs; I know which I believe to be true.
On page 15 under 'Sid's Star XI' it lists eleven names comprising five of his former team mates at Villa, five of his former team mates for England, and Shearer who he played with at Blackburn. It then goes on to repeat all eleven names; why?.
On page 27, 'Memories of (the World Cup) 1966', it states that 'the club's final home match of 1965-66, a 3-0 victory over Arsenal, took place on 16th April...'. No it didn't! We played Burnley at home on 16th April, beating them 2-1; the Arsenal game (yes they got the score correct!) was played two weeks later on 30th April. It just so happens that these were my first two Villa matches ever, to which my late father took me, and I'll be celebrating the 50th anniversary of the former next Saturday by travelling to Old Trafford to see us relegated (yes I know we'll almost certainly be down by then).
There's probably loads more mistakes / embarrassments but I gave up at that point. I wonder how many fans know that Wycombe Wanderers turned into Birmingham City in the F.A. Cup 3rd round replay programme in January. The club printed 1,000 correct copies in the days following the game, to satisfy the staff and directors of Wycombe Wanderers and collectors like me!
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Yep it's tickets sold rather than amount through the turnstiles. I think a lot of ST holders gave today a miss.
I reckon so PWS. I'd love to know what the real attendance was.
according to Doug it was 13,499.
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Just watching MOTD. Palace-Norwich. Now granted Palace have been on a really poor run but one little thing stood out for me, and that was Jason Puncheons reaction to scoring his first goal in 27 games. He was reduced to tears. It meant something to him. It showed passion. We have no one near to showing anything like that sort of passion. The closest is Ayew.
This squad needs shredding. Turf the majority out to the bins and bring through some passionate youngsters and some decent pros. Most of our squad are scum...sub human scum.
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Yep it's tickets sold rather than amount through the turnstiles. I think a lot of ST holders gave today a miss.
I reckon so PWS. I'd love to know what the real attendance was.
according to Doug it was 13,499.
Probably way more accurate than the announced figure today!
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Chelsea formation today 4-1-4-1
Wankers
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My first match at HQ for a number of months. Some observations: I don't like the booing/jeering of Bacuna/Guzan before they've had a chance to do anything wrong. Yes I know the players have been pathetic but it's no wonder they can't do anything right if they're getting shit from the get go........
These tossers, amongst most others have taken the piss since August.
They have NO credit in the bank.
It is no wonder they are being ripped apart, and rightly so.
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Chelsea formation today 4-1-4-1
Wankers
Eh?
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My first match at HQ for a number of months. Some observations: I don't like the booing/jeering of Bacuna/Guzan before they've had a chance to do anything wrong. Yes I know the players have been pathetic but it's no wonder they can't do anything right if they're getting shit from the get go........
These tossers, amongst most others have taken the piss since August.
They have NO credit in the bank.
It is no wonder they are being ripped apart, and rightly so.
I'm not fan of booing our players either, however the way that this collective bunch of arseholes have gone about their work this season, the gloves are off. They've taken the piss out of the managers and the fans all season and they need to be told. If they don't like it then tough shit.
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It seems that the manager's job these days consists almost entirely of giving his opposite number a meaningful handshake after yet another defeat. There can't have been too much time spent on selecting the team.
The inclusion of Lyden was the only bright spot, and that should have happened weeks ago. We're not going to have too much money to throw around in the summer and a fair proportion of the current set of senior players aren't going to get us back up so it makes sense to grant what are essentially free opportunities to emerging youngsters.
As for the game, bollocks to it. We put out 6 or 7 players who should not be playing at this level and certainly not on the same team. The frightening thing is that there are at least as many again on the sidelines who are equally out of their depth.
A useful start from Lyden aside, the only real positives were that Ayew is our best player, Adama has real presence and at least Bacuna didn't find defeat hilariously funny.
Grealish really needs a bit of a makeover and relaunch, preferably starting with a haircut that doesn't make him look like a oversized bog brush.
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Like Brian said earlier, it's four months until the start of the Championship season. I'm used to seeing youth and reserve dominate pre-season squads, but we should realise the reality that a lot of them will be stepping up to first team status sooner rather than later. For that reason alone, some of them ought to have been getting starts.
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My first match at HQ for a number of months. Some observations: I don't like the booing/jeering of Bacuna/Guzan before they've had a chance to do anything wrong. Yes I know the players have been pathetic but it's no wonder they can't do anything right if they're getting shit from the get go........
These tossers, amongst most others have taken the piss since August.
They have NO credit in the bank.
It is no wonder they are being ripped apart, and rightly so.
I'm not fan of booing our players either, however the way that this collective bunch of arseholes have gone about their work this season, the gloves are off. They've taken the piss out of the managers and the fans all season and they need to be told. If they don't like it then tough shit.
I am a fan of booing the players - these wankers need to be told what we think of them. I have heard the "it will put them off" argument but that is bollox as they were shite before we booed them and I have seen no change whatsoever since. I will boo whoever I bloody want at the moment having paid thousands of pound£ for the privelige and have subsequently had to watch this rubbish for years. It is the only fun I have now at VP apart from singing until my throat hurts about loving Villa until I die. These players are oafs of the first order and should not be allowed onto the turf at VP, I hate them
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Hopefully those boo'd will be asking to leave at the end of the season. The relationship is completely broken. No way back.
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My first match at HQ for a number of months. Some observations: I don't like the booing/jeering of Bacuna/Guzan before they've had a chance to do anything wrong. Yes I know the players have been pathetic but it's no wonder they can't do anything right if they're getting shit from the get go........
These tossers, amongst most others have taken the piss since August.
They have NO credit in the bank.
It is no wonder they are being ripped apart, and rightly so.
I'm not fan of booing our players either, however the way that this collective bunch of arseholes have gone about their work this season, the gloves are off. They've taken the piss out of the managers and the fans all season and they need to be told. If they don't like it then tough shit.
I am a fan of booing the players - these wankers need to be told what we think of them. I have heard the "it will put them off" argument but that is bollox as they were shite before we booed them and I have seen no change whatsoever since. I will boo whoever I bloody want at the moment having paid thousands of pound£ for the privelige and have subsequently had to watch this rubbish for years. It is the only fun I have now at VP apart from singing until my throat hurts about loving Villa until I die. These players are oafs of the first order and should not be allowed onto the turf at VP, I hate them
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I just can't see a big turn around in the chumps. The losing culture and toxic atmosphere is entrenched.
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Most of our squad are scum...sub human scum.
I'm as pissed off as everyone but I think that's a little over the top. I'd put the type of people who murder a young child into that category, not a professional footballer taking the piss.
Up until the Man City game in the FA Cup, I thought we'd made a game of most matches, but when the club gave up, the players & manager quickly followed.
For what it's worth practically all our problems stem from who or how the club has been run for the past 5 years. Where we are now would have happened eventually, as those responsible for making the decisions were so obviously out of their depth.
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Eric Black can join the long list of people I'd happily fuck off at the end of the season. At least he's one we'll manage to get shot of.
I didn't see this comment mate~~~ started another thread about the perpetual
"Teflon- Caretaker" that is Eric.
Glad at least someone agrees with me about this ex-nose.
8)
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Nice of Tony Parkes to tell us to 'fcuk off' too.
What happened there mate?
There were lots of comments from behind the dug-out at the half-time whistle "rubbish" "pathetic" "crap" etc which he responded with the first one, then when the bench came out for the second half and they got a load more he told us again. If he was that aggressive towards the players, as opposed to the fans, then the players might have a bit more fight about them.
Is there any other line of business in which you can tell your customers to fuck off and keep your job ?
Only Villa. We had it with Culverhouse and with Lambert too. Both on separate occasions doing the same thing. Not sure a member of the ticket office staff would get away with telling an irate customer to fcuk off...
Could you report it to the club? There's a disgraceful attitude at Villa that really has to be stamped out.
There is, isn't there. Appalling from players and staff alike. Morons.
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It seems that the manager's job these days consists almost entirely of giving his opposite number a meaningful handshake after yet another defeat. There can't have been too much time spent on selecting the team.
The inclusion of Lyden was the only bright spot, and that should have happened weeks ago. We're not going to have too much money to throw around in the summer and a fair proportion of the current set of senior players aren't going to get us back up so it makes sense to grant what are essentially free opportunities to emerging youngsters.
As for the game, bollocks to it. We put out 6 or 7 players who should not be playing at this level and certainly not on the same team. The frightening thing is that there are at least as many again on the sidelines who are equally out of their depth.
A useful start from Lyden aside, the only real positives were that Ayew is our best player, Adama has real presence and at least Bacuna didn't find defeat hilariously funny.
Grealish really needs a bit of a makeover and relaunch, preferably starting with a haircut that doesn't make him look like a oversized bog brush.
You can say that again. Looks like he's been seeking diet advice from Agbonlahor.
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If we were an animal we would be put out of our misery. The fabric of the football and coaching side of our club has just disintegrated. The only hope between now and the end of the season is that we do not have any record breaking thrashing coming our way. Aston villa the football club has fallen apart.
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It's not just relegation, our problems are way deeper than that.
It feels almost unique to have a club that's not only be relegated but to be so completely gutted of all pride, organization, effort, professionalism, you know the basics that every organized sporting team, professional or not, should have as a bare minimum. We don't appear to have any of it.
A few weeks ago I looked at the Championship, looked at the sides in the top 8 and thought we'd be a shoe in for a promotion challenge. Now I'm looking at this squad and thinking the damage is irreparable. The pretty much all need to go, for their own sakes as much as ours. How does a club do that? How does a club with such obvious cultural, deep rooted chronic problems turn it around in a few months?
I thought a few months back we'd go down after Watford at home. I knew it after Norwich away. At the time though I thought it almost like the relegation we had to have so the revival could begin. Now I'm worrying that despite the long overdue boardroom changes we're in for a tough time getting back.
There's just too much to do, we're in an almighty mess.
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This team will not be good enough to get us back up. We have to rid ourselves of as many of the current squad as is financially possible. Good luck to whoever gets the managers job. Your most definitely gonna need it.
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Could not believe Richardson and Bacuna were starting today. The crowd were stunned and it immediately created a negative atmosphere. Well done Black - fucking idiot!
I contemplated not leaving the Tavern after I saw the team selection. Absolutely abysmal
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Ashamed to say it was my first visit since Boxing Day. To watch the utter fuckwittery live is something else entirely. TV really doesn't do it justice.
The players have given up you can clearly see that. It had the pace of a pre-season match and there was some very unprofessional things going on out there
Out of that starting 11 I think only Richardson is out of contract in June. They're going to have a right game shifting some of that lot.
The relationship is currently broken between the fans and players as well. Only Grealish and Clark applauded the fans at the end. Ayew and Gueye practically ran off the pitch. I honestly wouldn't be sad to see any of that squad go.
Gestede at least gives us a focal point and given that he'll be back at his level next year, there might be something to work with. Get some pace around him and sign a couple of dynamic midfielders and you never know.
But ever being competitive in the top league again seems light years away.
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Surely swearing at customers must be some form of gross misconduct, on the basis of which his contract could be immediately terminated?
Does anyone recall any of the players swearing at customers? Hopefully.
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I think Glen Hoddle hit the nail on the head last weekend in his post match comments. What you see on the pitch is the result of the work they do on the training ground Mon-Fri. I can only begin to guess what sort of shambles is happening at Bodymoor Heath. They're not all bad players, get rid of the rotten apples & with proper organisation we could turn things around next season.
Having said that, I think we're in a bigger mess than we were in 1987 and I don't see the likes of Graham Taylor out there.
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My first match at HQ for a number of months. Some observations: I don't like the booing/jeering of Bacuna/Guzan before they've had a chance to do anything wrong. Yes I know the players have been pathetic but it's no wonder they can't do anything right if they're getting shit from the get go........
These tossers, amongst most others have taken the piss since August.
They have NO credit in the bank.
It is no wonder they are being ripped apart, and rightly so.
I'm not fan of booing our players either, however the way that this collective bunch of arseholes have gone about their work this season, the gloves are off. They've taken the piss out of the managers and the fans all season and they need to be told. If they don't like it then tough shit.
I am a fan of booing the players - these wankers need to be told what we think of them. I have heard the "it will put them off" argument but that is bollox as they were shite before we booed them and I have seen no change whatsoever since. I will boo whoever I bloody want at the moment having paid thousands of pound£ for the privelige and have subsequently had to watch this rubbish for years. It is the only fun I have now at VP apart from singing until my throat hurts about loving Villa until I die. These players are oafs of the first order and should not be allowed onto the turf at VP, I hate them
totally agree mate
the fans have shown the patience of saints this season
and the one before that and the one before that
the massive worry for me is that ayew, gana and amavi will fuck off, we are left with the shit who we cant shift and even if they were good enough to get us back up they would all have to be got rid of as they arent up to the pl
i really fear for us
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The appointment of the Manager is so crucial. They so need to get it right.
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Black should be shown the door tomorrow with the poor fuckers getting their P45's from the staff.
He was nothing short of a surrender monkey yesterday.
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I agree Oz villa. It will be a surprise if we suddenly turn things around in August and become a regularly winning club after 5 years of being a total embarrassment. The losing culture is engrained - we're not viewed as a big club anymore and are expected to lose every game regardless of the opposition. I'm not getting my hopes up about promotion
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The appointment of the Manager is so crucial. They so need to get it right.
Hopefully that's why their taking their time. One more piss poor appointment and we will be going down the plughole. The future of Aston Villa is at stake here.
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I agree Oz villa. It will be a surprise if we suddenly turn things around in August and become a regularly winning club after 5 years of being a total embarrassment. The losing culture is engrained - we're not viewed as a big club anymore and are expected to lose every game regardless of the opposition. I'm not getting my hopes up about promotion
Yep I think we are in for at least 3 years in the championship before we return. If we get this next appointment wrong who knows we might fall further. Leicester are showing us that miracles can happen but I just can't see us going from 16 points this year to 90 next.
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The appointment of the Manager is so crucial. They so need to get it right.
Hopefully that's why their taking their time. One more piss poor appointment and we will be going down the plughole. The future of Aston Villa is at stake here.
very true
as someond else pointed out the start of the new season is less than four months away
players return to pre season training mid june so the new manager has 6 weeks to knock them into shape
fuck me
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pre season starts now
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so Black is just like the rest of the shit at the club
fuck him off now
Bacuna show never wear our shirt again . hes been shite all season and he is an arrogant tosser
richardson - he is shit and out of contract this summer , what is the puropse
Westwood - now I know he hypnotizes all managers , look into my eyes , my eyes , I am Paul Pogba
Guzan - Why ? the bloke could not catch a fish from my local fish n chip shop
Lescott - Ive seen stephen Hawkings with better positional sense and quicker on the floor
Cissoko - This man was worth 15 million euro once , I would not give him a tenner from my Monopoly board .
and then we have the likes of Gabby , taking the piss for years , oh lets give the fat useleess fucker a long contract and Nzogbia who must be pretty good on the playstation now .
so Black , keep playing the shit who have made us the laughing stock of football , you useless buffoon.
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Did anyone else see the Bournemouth fan and his young lad get chucked out of the lower holte at half time!? The lad must have been no older than 6. Unless I missed something, they weren't causing any grief. Massive over reaction to get them thrown out
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I would like to see Bacuna, Gabby and Richards on the bench at OT next week and all 3 subbed on at 85 minutes so that they are on the pitch when fat lady sings.
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I'd settle for never seeing them again, anywhere.
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My short journey to the ground was spent in the company of a few Bournmouth fans. They had followed their side home and away all season and seemed genuinely sorry and bewildered that we were in this state.
The overriding thing that came to my mind?
How can a club with a quarter of our gate revenue every other week be leaving us behind?
Thought they were a good side and that we weren't.
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To be fair i'd forgot Kevin Richardson and Trevor Sinclair even played for us until yesterday, i think thats the first time in my Villa supporting career that i had literally forgot about one of our players so two at the same time is quite remarkable.
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To be fair i'd forgot Kevin Richardson and Trevor Sinclair even played for us until yesterday, i think thats the first time in my Villa supporting career that i had literally forgot about one of our players so two at the same time is quite remarkable.
I forgot Trevor Sinclair played for us too. This is always worth a watch again
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Did anyone else see the Bournemouth fan and his young lad get chucked out of the lower holte at half time!? The lad must have been no older than 6. Unless I missed something, they weren't causing any grief. Massive over reaction to get them thrown out
They must've done something for the stewards to know they were away fans. I've been in the home end for away matches plenty of times and if you keep your gob shut you're fine.
Once the stewards know, they don't have much choice given the ground regulations state away fans will be ejected from home areas of the ground.
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Did anyone else see the Bournemouth fan and his young lad get chucked out of the lower holte at half time!? The lad must have been no older than 6. Unless I missed something, they weren't causing any grief. Massive over reaction to get them thrown out
They must've done something for the stewards to know they were away fans. I've been in the home end for away matches plenty of times and if you keep your gob shut you're fine.
Once the stewards know, they don't have much choice given the ground regulations state away fans will be ejected from home areas of the ground.
Perhaps the Dayglow Mob's suspicions were alerted when they saw that the pair in question were the only ones on the Holte' not booing their 'team' off at half time?
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Did anyone else see the Bournemouth fan and his young lad get chucked out of the lower holte at half time!? The lad must have been no older than 6. Unless I missed something, they weren't causing any grief. Massive over reaction to get them thrown out
Reminds me of this, that I posted in the Spurs post-match thread:-
'A message to the woman who sits in Seat F160 of the Lower Doug Ellis Stand:
I hope you're really proud of yourself for getting the middle-aged couple who were Spurs fans, and sitting in seats F161 and F162, removed at half-time. They weren't causing any trouble and you made yourself look a complete and utter idiot. It's people like you that give football, and Aston Villa in particular, a bad name. Yes, I know that tickets are sold on the basis that they are used by home fans but was it really necessary for you to bawl in each of their faces until stewards arrived; I thought that the couple showed great restraint. :('
Although as Ad@m says, once it has been pointed out to a steward they are then placed in a very difficult position.
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It's a perennial problem and I don't understand why it seems to be getting worse. Even a few years ago keep quiet and you were fine, yet now it seems that the other team's supporters are treated like they have some sort of contagion.
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Most of our squad are scum...sub human scum.
I'm as pissed off as everyone but I think that's a little over the top. I'd put the type of people who murder a young child into that category, not a professional footballer taking the piss.
Up until the Man City game in the FA Cup, I thought we'd made a game of most matches, but when the club gave up, the players & manager quickly followed.
For what it's worth practically all our problems stem from who or how the club has been run for the past 5 years. Where we are now would have happened eventually, as those responsible for making the decisions were so obviously out of their depth.
I probably should have put quotation marks there as I was quoting Alan Partridge. That said I was feeling it at times whilst hearing the radio updates at work yesterday.
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Did anyone else see the Bournemouth fan and his young lad get chucked out of the lower holte at half time!? The lad must have been no older than 6. Unless I missed something, they weren't causing any grief. Massive over reaction to get them thrown out
At the end of the day, we're all Football supporters albeit with different allegiances, if I'd been doing the stewarding I would have tried damned hard to get them back in somewhere somehow.
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Even if it means we have little money to spend next season, I'm thinking that the club need to pay up the contracts on a few players and let them go.
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We all think we know who the bad apples are and if the really rotten apples could be turfed out it might give a real boost to the remaining players which would mean we wouldn't have to clear out as many. Possibly 3 or 4 have their contracts paid up . There are then others that are just not good enough but they may not cause problems in the dressing room. The board just need to grow a big pair of hairy bollocking and deal with the problem players.
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Even if it means we have little money to spend next season, I'm thinking that the club need to pay up the contracts on a few players and let them go.
I agree, but Gabby's contract alone could cost at least £6m to pay up...
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Did anyone else see the Bournemouth fan and his young lad get chucked out of the lower holte at half time!? The lad must have been no older than 6. Unless I missed something, they weren't causing any grief. Massive over reaction to get them thrown out
The lad had a full kit on under his coat so it's wasn't exactly subtle. Just thought it was way OTT
They must've done something for the stewards to know they were away fans. I've been in the home end for away matches plenty of times and if you keep your gob shut you're fine.
Once the stewards know, they don't have much choice given the ground regulations state away fans will be ejected from home areas of the ground.
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Even if it means we have little money to spend next season, I'm thinking that the club need to pay up the contracts on a few players and let them go.
I agree, but Gabby's contract alone could cost at least £6m to pay up...
How many years has he got left? Depends on his wages and if he has a relegation clause in the contract.
Put him on the transfer list and see if anybody will take him for free. Subsidise his wages to go elsewhere could see the cost come down significantly.
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Did anyone else see the Bournemouth fan and his young lad get chucked out of the lower holte at half time!? The lad must have been no older than 6. Unless I missed something, they weren't causing any grief. Massive over reaction to get them thrown out
The lad had a full kit on under his coat so it's wasn't exactly subtle. Just thought it was way OTT
They must've done something for the stewards to know they were away fans. I've been in the home end for away matches plenty of times and if you keep your gob shut you're fine.
Once the stewards know, they don't have much choice given the ground regulations state away fans will be ejected from home areas of the ground.
Probably pointed out to the stewards by someone. I think there has to be some kind of common sense applied to these things. If it is a group of lads mouthing off and celebrating goals etc. then they obviously have to be removed, but a father and young son? If there is a complaint then fine, probably best to take them out of that area, but then just escort them to an empty part of the upper Trinity or somewhere. No need to kick them out altogether.
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You have to be very stupid as an away fan to go in the home end wearing colours, even more so to take a child in wearing them. To me it's just basic common sense, if you go in the wrong end, be as incognito as possible.
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Why the hell would you want to go with your six year old son into the Holte end knowing that as soon as we go a goal down and we all know that we will that the atmosphere will get nasty.
So why not go into the upper Doug Ellis stand or the upper north stand
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Yeh it hardly a full house was it that other safer seats wouldn't have been availabl? But stupid really.
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There was spaces all over the ground so why the Holte end
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And going into the game it's not like you wouldn't have know the situation at the club, the mood or even possible ramifications if Norwich had won and we had relegation confirmed. At any point before the game they could have changed seats to something more appropriate.
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There was loads of space in the Family Stand, there was loads of space in the next block along thankfully as the lad sat next to me had bathed in cheap aftershave so we were able to move seats.
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exactly
Zero sympathy
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There was loads of unoccupied space in the Bournemouth penalty area, couldn't they have gone there?
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There was loads of unoccupied space in the Bournemouth penalty area, couldn't they have gone there?
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Even if it means we have little money to spend next season, I'm thinking that the club need to pay up the contracts on a few players and let them go.
I agree, but Gabby's contract alone could cost at least £6m to pay up...
I know that I'm talking about sums of money, Lerner's money, that just become numbers to us normals but....
It seems unlikely that we'll be able to sell him, so that being the case do we take one shot to the head or five to the chest?
It's time for him, and a couple of others, to be shown the door. Perhaps it'll only be Gabby that needs to be made an example of.
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Pisses me off. We're down, we've been down for yonks, how hard can it be to try and entertain us by just going for it. I'd rather lose 6-2 by going gung-ho than keep watching us try to keep it tight, make a defensive fuck up and lose anyway at home to shit like Bournemouth. And by that I mean they were nothing special at all, but like so many crap/average sides this season, they didn't need to be to stroll away with a win.
Memo to everyone coaching etc at the Villa, this is meant to be fucking fun!
This! Every fucking word of this!
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I have just about calmed down after yesterday but one player deserves special abuse for being absolutely fucking useless. Step forward Ashley Westwood, misplaced passes, lost tackles, plenty of Leonahrdsen Level pointing, outmuscled on any number of occasions, losing players running beyond him, crap shooting etc etc etc.
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I have just about calmed down after yesterday but one player deserves special abuse for being absolutely fucking useless. Step forward Ashley Westwood, misplaced passes, lost tackles, plenty of Leonahrdsen Level pointing, outmuscled on any number of occasions, losing players running beyond him, crap shooting etc etc etc.
I don't think we can have a go at a player just for being crap. Being lazy and disinterested, definitely.
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I don't 'hate' Westwood but it does baffle me how he comes to get picked each week by whoever is in charge. Really can't see what he brings to the team, as others have said he can't help that he isn't very good and doesn't have any attitude problem like the usual suspects.
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CNZ and Richardson out of contract. We should be able to get rid of Richards and Lescott. Need some luck/mugs with the others.
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I think Bacuna will want out and I am hoping Gabby feels it is best to move on. Westwood will be fine in the Championship. Guzan will be gone too. Hard to tell with the French lads aside from Amavi who will be here and who won't. Unless they have transfer fee release clauses in the event of relegation they are all under contract. They might have to stay. Put a good manager in there and get them to play together with some good additions especially in central areas of the pitch and we will be ok.
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Gabby, possibly Lescott due to age and his pace has gone, will be the only ones we'll have trouble shifting imo.
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I think Bacuna will want out and I am hoping Gabby feels it is best to move on. Westwood will be fine in the Championship. Guzan will be gone too. Hard to tell with the French lads aside from Amavi who will be here and who won't. Unless they have transfer fee release clauses in the event of relegation they are all under contract. They might have to stay. Put a good manager in there and get them to play together with some good additions especially in central areas of the pitch and we will be ok.
You're kidding. Westwood is League One standard at best.
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You have to be very stupid as an away fan to go in the home end wearing colours, even more so to take a child in wearing them. To me it's just basic common sense, if you go in the wrong end, be as incognito as possible.
exactly
has it said on home tickets for about twenty years that the home end is for home supporters only and any away fans will be ejected?
what if it was two teenage plastic mancs wearing manure shirts behaving themselves would that have been different?
if you are going to do it just sit on your hands but wearing a kit under your coat? really?
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Gabby, possibly Lescott due to age and his pace has gone, will be the only ones we'll have trouble shifting imo.
I think Lescott will end up going to MLS on a free. Richards will be out the door within weeks for a couple of million to some poor sods.
You're right on Gabby - he might be the one we need to come to some kind of agreement with.
Those three (plus N'Zogbia of course) are the starting point and absolutely have to go.
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Lescott and Richards have MLS written all over them. Regards gabby, I think someone will be dumb enough to offer him mega cash from China, Middle East or turkey
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You have to be very stupid as an away fan to go in the home end wearing colours, even more so to take a child in wearing them. To me it's just basic common sense, if you go in the wrong end, be as incognito as possible.
exactly
has it said on home tickets for about twenty years that the home end is for home supporters only and any away fans will be ejected?
what if it was two teenage plastic mancs wearing manure shirts behaving themselves would that have been different?
if you are going to do it just sit on your hands but wearing a kit under your coat? really?
Yea, the six year old bastard. Hanging's too good for him.
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Lescott to the MLS
Guzan to the MLS
Richards to some tart who will pay £5m, perhaps Norwich, Everton or maybe Sunderland even if they get relegated
Bacuna to lower level Dutch team
Hutton, possibly Rangers
Ayew unfortunately to someone like West Ham
Gabby, pay him off with the money we receive from the Richards sale
Westwood, Vertout, Gana, Gil, Traore, Grealish, Green, will form the basis of our Midfield
Gestede nobody will want him until Bambi on ice tours again
Sinclair I would keep
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You have to be very stupid as an away fan to go in the home end wearing colours, even more so to take a child in wearing them. To me it's just basic common sense, if you go in the wrong end, be as incognito as possible.
exactly
has it said on home tickets for about twenty years that the home end is for home supporters only and any away fans will be ejected?
what if it was two teenage plastic mancs wearing manure shirts behaving themselves would that have been different?
if you are going to do it just sit on your hands but wearing a kit under your coat? really?
Yea, the six year old bastard. Hanging's too good for him.
I think the ire is aimed at the dad.
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You have to be very stupid as an away fan to go in the home end wearing colours, even more so to take a child in wearing them. To me it's just basic common sense, if you go in the wrong end, be as incognito as possible.
exactly
has it said on home tickets for about twenty years that the home end is for home supporters only and any away fans will be ejected?
what if it was two teenage plastic mancs wearing manure shirts behaving themselves would that have been different?
if you are going to do it just sit on your hands but wearing a kit under your coat? really?
Yea, the six year old bastard. Hanging's too good for him.
I think the ire is aimed at the dad.
For whom ritual disembowelling is clearly too good.
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Clearly? Or have folks pointed out it's not the brightest thing to do? It's also, whether you/I/we agree with it, breaking the T&C of purchase.
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Lescott and Richards have MLS written all over them. Regards gabby, I think someone will be dumb enough to offer him mega cash from China, Middle East or turkey
Jeez, Gabby's Cultural Adventures in China. That's got a TV reality series written all over it.
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Lescott to the MLS
Guzan to the MLS
Richards to some tart who will pay £5m, perhaps Norwich, Everton or maybe Sunderland even if they get relegated
Bacuna to lower level Dutch team
Hutton, possibly Rangers
Ayew unfortunately to someone like West Ham
Gabby, pay him off with the money we receive from the Richards sale
Westwood, Vertout, Gana, Gil, Traore, Grealish, Green, will form the basis of our Midfield
Gestede nobody will want him until Bambi on ice tours again
Sinclair I would keep
That would be the Gestede who scored 20 odd goals the last time he played in the Championship.
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I think Bacuna will want out and I am hoping Gabby feels it is best to move on. Westwood will be fine in the Championship. Guzan will be gone too. Hard to tell with the French lads aside from Amavi who will be here and who won't. Unless they have transfer fee release clauses in the event of relegation they are all under contract. They might have to stay. Put a good manager in there and get them to play together with some good additions especially in central areas of the pitch and we will be ok.
You're kidding. Westwood is League One standard at best.
Yes I said he'll be fine. I didn't say he'll become Andrea Pirlo at that level. Gary Gardner goes from being a fringe player in the PL to playing really well and scoring screamers. It's not that far fetched to suggest Westwood will better.
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Clearly? Or have folks pointed out it's not the brightest thing to do? It's also, whether you/I/we agree with it, breaking the T&C of purchase.
So are a lot of things.
If we read that a six year old had been thrown out of the Spion Kop for being an away supporter we would, quite rightly, be calling them all the names under the sun. There's no difference.
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Having seen him at Villa Park every home game and five or six away my opinion is that he is shit and will be lucky to get double figures in any season he plays whether it be the Premier or the championship. His first touch is a six yard pass, he doesn't position himself to run and head the ball he stands on the penalty spot and tries a standing jump even from corners.
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Or most of us would say the dad is stupid for taking a kid on there wearing Villa colours. So you're right, no difference.
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Or most of us would say the dad is stupid for taking a kid on there wearing Villa colours. So you're right, no difference.
We're talking Bournemouth, not Villa.
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I said Villa to dispel your double standard point. If a dad takes his kid onto the Holte, Kop, Stretford or whatever home end wearing the opposition colours he's stupid. In an ideal world that wouldn't be the case, but unfortunately we don't live in one. Which is a tad different to wanting to hang or disembowel the dad.
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Just a thought but we know nothing about the incident do we, or the circumstances?
A loving Villa fan dad with his cherry supporting son, recently relocated from down south, a born and bred villa fan with his nephew,theres endless scenarios, weve got more to worry about I think.
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I said Villa to dispel your double standard point. If a dad takes his kid onto the Holte, Kop, Stretford or whatever home end wearing the opposition colours he's stupid. In an ideal world that wouldn't be the case, but unfortunately we don't live in one. Which is a tad different to wanting to hang or disembowel the dad.
Why is he? Are our supporters so bad that the sight of a six year old supporter of the opposition is going to incite them? It's nothing to do with an ideal world and everything to do with behaving like normal humans.
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It's a perennial problem and I don't understand why it seems to be getting worse. Even a few years ago keep quiet and you were fine, yet now it seems that the other team's supporters are treated like they have some sort of contagion.
Becouse were pretty shit at the moment & it's an easy target to channel some anger/frustration at
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It's a perennial problem and I don't understand why it seems to be getting worse. Even a few years ago keep quiet and you were fine, yet now it seems that the other team's supporters are treated like they have some sort of contagion.
Becouse were pretty shit at the moment & it's an easy target to channel some anger/frustration at
Picking on a six year old. Classy.
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I said Villa to dispel your double standard point. If a dad takes his kid onto the Holte, Kop, Stretford or whatever home end wearing the opposition colours he's stupid. In an ideal world that wouldn't be the case, but unfortunately we don't live in one. Which is a tad different to wanting to hang or disembowel the dad.
Why is he? Are our supporters so bad that the sight of a six year old supporter of the opposition is going to incite them? It's nothing to do with an ideal world and everything to do with behaving like normal humans.
Which in an ideal world everyone would, in all walks of life, but we both know they don't. So because I know that some people are twats, and every club has some, I wouldn't be stupid enough to take my kid into an opposition home end wearing colours. Which is still different to saying hang the kid or disembowel the dad.
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Lescott and Richards have MLS written all over them. Regards gabby, I think someone will be dumb enough to offer him mega cash from China, Middle East or turkey
Jeez, Gabby's Cultural Adventures in China. That's got a TV reality series written all over it.
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Carlton Palmer is already there and doing ok so he could help him settle in.
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I just don't get it. Yes the Dad was daft to take the lad with him on the Holte, but there really wasn't much at stake in the game and it's bloody Bournemouth. It's a completely different issue I'd it were a) Blues/Albion or b) a game with something at stake - it wasn't - It was a classic dead rubber.
Some people need to think on.
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My uncle took me to the 77 quarter final at OT and I wore my scarf with pride in the north stand paddock,
not a wrong word was said! He was a united fan though.
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I just don't get it. Yes the Dad was daft to take the lad with him on the Holte, but there really wasn't much at stake in the game and it's bloody Bournemouth. It's a completely different issue I'd it were a) Blues/Albion or b) a game with something at stake - it wasn't - It was a classic dead rubber.
Some people need to think on.
That's what i'm saying, the dad was stupid. I'm disagreeing with the " deserves hanging and disembowelment are too good" as no one said anything close to that. Just that it's stupid.
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Has there been any suggestion that either of them were ill treated by Villa fans ?
There were a few Bournmouth fans in the Tavern afterward, they hadn't been hanged when I left. I'm not sure anyone cares enough now.
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Has there been any suggestion that either of them were ill treated by Villa fans ?
There were a few Bournmouth fans in the Tavern afterward, they hadn't been hanged when I left. I'm not sure anyone cares enough now.
Presumably someone had complained otherwise they would, equally presumably, have been left alone.
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I had a chat outside Tesco with a few typical looking Scouse scallies before the Everton game. Perfectly fine lads and we had a good chat for five. Most of us can converse with each other fine, sadly there are always twats. And that includes us.
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Tim Sherwood on MOTD2. Should be good for a laugh.
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Tim Sherwood on MOTD2. Should be good for a laugh.
Trevor Sinclair said earlier today that Sherwood is a great manager and Villa would be fine if they still had him. All makes sense now.
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They are going to do a feature on Villa. Oh joy!
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It's a perennial problem and I don't understand why it seems to be getting worse. Even a few years ago keep quiet and you were fine, yet now it seems that the other team's supporters are treated like they have some sort of contagion.
Becouse were pretty shit at the moment & it's an easy target to channel some anger/frustration at
Picking on a six year old. Classy.
Unfortunately all clubs have that type
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Has there been any suggestion that either of them were ill treated by Villa fans ?
There were a few Bournmouth fans in the Tavern afterward, they hadn't been hanged when I left. I'm not sure anyone cares enough now.
That's what I don't get.
Travel on the same train as them, drink with them before the game, drink with them after the game - all no problem.
Have one dare to sit near you at the match - grrrrrrrr, scum, throw them out.
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It's a cultural thing isn't it. I've never complained or had a go at away fans in the home after myself but football is a sport which makes a point of segregating fans.
Whether football should get over its hooligan past is one thing but it's not there yet. Given that fact a dad has got to have a bit of common sense and tell his lad he can't wear his kit in the home end because the tickets were bought on that basis.
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To balance the fan behaviour debate, over the years I have experienced numerically more violence or threats of violence from Villa fans than opposition fans. The most recent one was the incident I related at Norwich this season when I tried to stop a Villa fan kicking a skip so he started kicking me instead. The point I am making supports Mr Shin's view that in the football mix there are potentially threatening situations everywhere, you just have to use common sense to avoid them especially when emotions are running high.
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They are going to do a feature on Villa. Oh joy!
It was quite intersting, I think Tim was a bit uncomfortable with it, but again spoke well of us and backed us to come straight back. he was also impressed with the football board and you got the feeling he was itching to say "I wish they were in place while I was there"
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I just don't get it. Yes the Dad was daft to take the lad with him on the Holte, but there really wasn't much at stake in the game and it's bloody Bournemouth. It's a completely different issue I'd it were a) Blues/Albion or b) a game with something at stake - it wasn't - It was a classic dead rubber.
Some people need to think on.
so bournemouth fans are ok in the holte but if there was something at stake ie the losers got relegated then they wouldnt?
the clue is in the bit where it says home supporters only
i might take some marshmallows to throw at the next home game as they wont hurt anyone and ill just forget the bit in the t & c that says dont throw missiles
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Has there been any suggestion that either of them were ill treated by Villa fans ?
There were a few Bournmouth fans in the Tavern afterward, they hadn't been hanged when I left. I'm not sure anyone cares enough now.
Presumably someone had complained otherwise they would, equally presumably, have been left alone.
Not necessarily, I've been behind people at the Trinity turnstiles who have been denied entry for wearing away colours.
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Has there been any suggestion that either of them were ill treated by Villa fans ?
There were a few Bournmouth fans in the Tavern afterward, they hadn't been hanged when I left. I'm not sure anyone cares enough now.
Presumably someone had complained otherwise they would, equally presumably, have been left alone.
Not necessarily, I've been behind people at the Trinity turnstiles who have been denied entry for wearing away colours.
Wasn't their exit just after they scored though?
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See Keown has once again said the Villa Park crowd are a hard lot to please and get on the players backs very easily. It was 30 years ago Martin, get over it.
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See Keown has once again said the Villa Park crowd are a hard lot to please and get on the players backs very easily. It was 30 years ago Martin, get over it.
Keown is a dimwit who tries to sound intellectual.
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See Keown has once again said the Villa Park crowd are a hard lot to please and get on the players backs very easily. It was 30 years ago Martin, get over it.
They really are a strange lot these 'football people' who have never paid for a ticket in their lives, what exactly does he think the appropriate reaction is to watching the laziest team in the league get hammered every week having parted with the thick end of £50 for the 'pleasure'.
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See Keown has once again said the Villa Park crowd are a hard lot to please and get on the players backs very easily. It was 30 years ago Martin, get over it.
Of course, Arsenal fans always stand and cheer every draw and defeat that Wenger serves up. Great fans, unlike Villa's fickle bunch
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They are going to do a feature on Villa. Oh joy!
Morely said on the club commentary that he had ben invited onto it to do a interview rubbishing the club but had declined.
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we were asked by a couple of TV people as walked out of the Holte at full time for our "thoughts" on being almost relegated....I declined...
UTV
The Doc
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To balance the fan behaviour debate, over the years I have experienced numerically more violence or threats of violence from Villa fans than opposition fans. The most recent one was the incident I related at Norwich this season when I tried to stop a Villa fan kicking a skip so he started kicking me instead. The point I am making supports Mr Shin's view that in the football mix there are potentially threatening situations everywhere, you just have to use common sense to avoid them especially when emotions are running high.
All clubs have some arseholes
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To balance the fan behaviour debate, over the years I have experienced numerically more violence or threats of violence from Villa fans than opposition fans. The most recent one was the incident I related at Norwich this season when I tried to stop a Villa fan kicking a skip so he started kicking me instead. The point I am making supports Mr Shin's view that in the football mix there are potentially threatening situations everywhere, you just have to use common sense to avoid them especially when emotions are running high.
All clubs have some arseholes
To balance the fan behaviour debate, over the years I have experienced numerically more violence or threats of violence from Villa fans than opposition fans. The most recent one was the incident I related at Norwich this season when I tried to stop a Villa fan kicking a skip so he started kicking me instead. The point I am making supports Mr Shin's view that in the football mix there are potentially threatening situations everywhere, you just have to use common sense to avoid them especially when emotions are running high.
All clubs have some arseholes
You can't say that to a pensioner
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we were asked by a couple of TV people as walked out of the Holte at full time for our "thoughts" on being almost relegated....I declined...
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The Doc
Me too. I also told them to fuck off.
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All clubs have some arseholes
For example, ours is the owner
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See Keown has once again said the Villa Park crowd are a hard lot to please and get on the players backs very easily. It was 30 years ago Martin, get over it.
Of course, Arsenal fans always stand and cheer every draw and defeat that Wenger serves up. Great fans, unlike Villa's fickle bunch
You only have to go back to the opening day a couple of season's ago when we beat them at home. They would have set fire to Wenger had they got the chance and that was only after the first game.
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I heard Keown say earlier in the season that he found it difficult playing at home when he was at Villa due to the demands of the supporters, not sure if they demanded he stopped having a face like a chimp. Seems he's basing it on a season from 30 years ago and we all know what happened then.
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You're making it up, Arsenal fans would never do that.
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See Keown has once again said the Villa Park crowd are a hard lot to please and get on the players backs very easily. It was 30 years ago Martin, get over it.
Of course, Arsenal fans always stand and cheer every draw and defeat that Wenger serves up. Great fans, unlike Villa's fickle bunch
the same arsenal who got booed off when they lost to swansea a few weeks ago
the same arsenal who got booed off after only drawing with everton last season
yes the atmosphere has got toxic the last couple of games but fuckwits like keown are unable to work out why we might be slightly annoyed
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The same Arsenal, who off the back of a run of 39 points from 15 games, lose to us and the fans immediately call for Wengers head and lose their shit.
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The same Arsenal, who off the back of a run of 39 points from 15 games, lose to us and the fans immediately call for Wengers head and lose their shit.
39 points from 15 games pfffttt
they cant beat our 44 points from 67 games
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See Keown has once again said the Villa Park crowd are a hard lot to please and get on the players backs very easily. It was 30 years ago Martin, get over it.
I challenge Keown to find any crowd in the history of football who has had to put up with home form like Villa fans have over the last decade. This season has been an abomination and there is no set of fans who wouldn't get on the players backs.
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Tough crowd? I'd say 'remarkably patient crowd' would be more apt.
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Tough crowd? I'd say 'remarkably patient crowd' would be more apt.
Yep, I think our fans get a bad rap in the media. When you see Everton fans protesting against Martinez when they are in mid table then I would say our fans have been very patient. I don't see Keown et al criticising the Everton fans,