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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2016, 10:42:03 AM
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Shamelessly nicking Kippax's rather slow burning topic....
Thursday 24th March, 1.15pm.
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Hopefully it wont happen.
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If he was going to jump he would have in January when the board screwed him. I would have had more respect for him if he had gone then but quite understand him wanting to get a pay-off from them after they shafted him. Knowing these shysters if they're going to sack him, it will be when we're down mathematically as they can claim his remit was to keep us up and having failed, the club can claim some joined up thinking.
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He will be gone by Tuesday.
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For me a bit too much Inspector Clouseau and not enough professorial Wenger
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3.15 Monday 21st
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Monday 11 am
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He won't go anywhere unless he's pushed, why walk and kiss goodbye to a pay-off? And I don't think he would have many clubs looking to Poach him after his performance at VP, also we're down and getting rid changes nothing in Randy''s eyes and he isn't going to finance ANOTHER managerial severance package when he's selling up anyway (and my feeling is there may well be a buyer waiting for our confirmed relegation) - no, we're stuck with the Lad - his dismissal and replacement will be somebody else's problem not Lerners.
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He won't go anywhere unless he's pushed, why walk and kiss goodbye to a pay-off? And I don't think he would have many clubs looking to Poach him after his performance at VP, also we're down and getting rid changes nothing in Randy''s eyes and he isn't going to finance ANOTHER managerial severance package when he's selling up anyway (and my feeling is there may well be a buyer waiting for our confirmed relegation) - no, we're stuck with the Lad - his dismissal and replacement will be somebody else's problem not Lerners.
All the press are reporting it so that usually means there's been a tip off, it's happening.
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Could be as soon as this afternoon, that's when we axed Sherwood - in the pre-match lead up to the last Tyne Wear televised derby
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It's happening. 1pm tomorrow (monday)
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When it happens it will be positioned as by mutual consent.
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He won't go anywhere unless he's pushed, why walk and kiss goodbye to a pay-off? And I don't think he would have many clubs looking to Poach him after his performance at VP, also we're down and getting rid changes nothing in Randy''s eyes and he isn't going to finance ANOTHER managerial severance package when he's selling up anyway (and my feeling is there may well be a buyer waiting for our confirmed relegation) - no, we're stuck with the Lad - his dismissal and replacement will be somebody else's problem not Lerners.
All the press are reporting it so that usually means there's been a tip off, it's happening.
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Yeah it has become almost widely reported as a certainty, not just a story in the Mirror now.
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And we'll be back to McDonald - who should have been sacked after his last effort at acting manager.
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agreed
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Kevin McDonald. Dear God.
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He's one person I no longer want to see at the club in any capacity. Or at least never again an option for first team duties.
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Little could probably step in if they have no one lined up. They are only fulfilling fixtures unfil the end of the season.
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He should have been booted out the day after that debacle.
He's no Villa man in my eyes.
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A good man shafted by the Randy Lerner's Aston Villa. What a waste in every single sense.
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Might as well let Little finish the season just so we can all have a sentimental wank before the team fucks off from the PL.
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Think he will finish the season. I certainly don't want Brian, who walks on water, to take over as his name would be tarnished with relegation.
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It would be more likely Eric Black, he's managed a couple of clubs before hasn't he, Coventry and someone else?
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I'm starting to get clinically fed up with all this. The next kick in the nuts will be the failure of Hollis to turn it around.
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Think he will finish the season. I certainly don't want Brian, who walks on water, to take over as his name would be tarnished with relegation.
He won't
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/20/aston-villa-remie-garde-reign-swift-end
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Within the 48 hours according to some journalist on Radio 5.
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I'm starting to get clinically fed up with all this. The next kick in the nuts will be the failure of Hollis to turn it around.
Isn't it very, very early to even suggest that? What would the turnaround look like and what kind of timeframe are you allowing?
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I worry when Hollis says Villa will have the strongest balance sheet in the Championship, pity we don't have players to match. Football may be a business now, but if the team doesn't deliver on the pitch, all the fixed assets and infrastructure means very little.
Apart from Garde being shafted by the w*nkers who employed him, the senior players in the dressing room are more to blame for our position, they obviously didn't want him and their performances in every game they played showed this. They all need to go with the manager.
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I'm starting to get clinically fed up with all this. The next kick in the nuts will be the failure of Hollis to turn it around.
Based on what? Christ, give the bloke a chance.
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I'm starting to get clinically fed up with all this. The next kick in the nuts will be the failure of Hollis to turn it around.
Based on what? Christ, give the bloke a chance.
I think my point has been taken too literally. I am as keen for someone to finally sort this nightmare out but we've had so many false dawns and had optimism based on remarkably similar situations that I don't think I can bare another one.
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We've not had a structure in place at the club, ever in my memory. Doug never really had it, and certainly never under Randy. We have to give this time to work, and while things are shit now they won't always be that way if the process succeeds. There have been other clubs who are in strong positions today that were at one point in worse places than us. It is possible to recover and put this period in our history behind us.
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I'm starting to get clinically fed up with all this. The next kick in the nuts will be the failure of Hollis to turn it around.
Based on what? Christ, give the bloke a chance.
I think my point has been taken too literally. I am as keen for someone to finally sort this nightmare out but we've had so many false dawns and had optimism based on remarkably similar situations that I don't think I can bare another one.
You'll get used to it.
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Thanks for the memories Remi.
Wrong manager wrong time.
The NEXT appointment needs to be right!
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Tomorrow morning. I'd expect t it will come as a relief. They're probably just trying to minimise the payout.
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Remi's and Ranieri's seasons show how crazy momentum is in football. One took over a team feeling in good nick, albeit over the summer, whereas the other took over a team so used to losing that it had become less a habit, and more an addiction. Ranieri was able to nurture and channel that momentum into something even better, whereas nothing Remi could do could turn it around.
This doesn't mean that Remi's a bad manager - Ranieri himself could tell him all about how fickle this profession is (Atletico? Greece? Monaco? Not glorious times for Claudio). He'll need to take a break and go somewhere else, possibly in France, possibly in Spain or Italy if he can manage the language. We need to plan for next season, and get someone in who can arrest this fucking avalanchesque collapse before we find ourselves in League One.
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Thanks for the memories Remi.
Wrong manager wrong time.
The NEXT appointment needs to be right!
Most important appointment since Sir Graham.
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Garde has been dealt an awful hand but really does not seem to have played it well at all. Granted the squad are totally unsuited to this level of football but there seems to be little harmony and evidence of team work at all. There is very little fight and the schoolboy errors from previous eras are still as regular and as appalling as ever.
The thought of Kevin MacDonald taking charge is about is appealing at watching Agbonlahor chasing after a football.
I have huge sympathy for Remi Garde but I really have not seen any evidence to convince me that he is the man for the job. I accept that inheriting the goalkeepers that Villa have does not help matters at all.
If Garde does leave I hope he is very open about what has been happening behind the scenes; I would love to see him lead Villa to success because he does come over as being a decent bloke but the poverty of the football has had to be seen to be believed.
If he does stay I think he will find it very hard to move on the players that we all want rid of because of the contracts they command; we can only hope that there are some relegation clauses in place that allow us to dump the poorer players, although I suspect this will be wishful thinking.
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We've not had a structure in place at the club, ever in my memory. Doug never really had it, and certainly never under Randy. We have to give this time to work, and while things are shit now they won't always be that way if the process succeeds. There have been other clubs who are in strong positions today that were at one point in worse places than us. It is possible to recover and put this period in our history behind us.
As has been said by others, every structural change at the club has been heralded in similar ways to this. The club does not deserve our faith in them to act competently, I for one will not be giving out much praise until there are tangible signs of progress.
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And we'll be back to McDonald - who should have been sacked after his last effort at acting manager.
Agreed.
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We've not had a structure in place at the club, ever in my memory. Doug never really had it, and certainly never under Randy. We have to give this time to work, and while things are shit now they won't always be that way if the process succeeds. There have been other clubs who are in strong positions today that were at one point in worse places than us. It is possible to recover and put this period in our history behind us.
As has been said by others, every structural change at the club has been heralded in similar ways to this. The club does not deserve our faith in them to act competently, I for one will not be giving out much praise until there are tangible signs of progress.
Every previous structural change was questioned because Randy never once brought in a mind to oversee the football side of the business. Hollis did that within months because by his own admission it's not one of his strengths. That's why this change is different to the others. If a Fox or Faulkner type was making the next appointment then I'd be every bit as sceptical as everyone else.
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Garde has been dealt an awful hand but really does not seem to have played it well at all. Granted the squad are totally unsuited to this level of football but there seems to be little harmony and evidence of team work at all. There is very little fight and the schoolboy errors from previous eras are still as regular and as appalling as ever.
The thought of Kevin MacDonald taking charge is about is appealing at watching Agbonlahor chasing after a football.
I have huge sympathy for Remi Garde but I really have not seen any evidence to convince me that he is the man for the job. I accept that inheriting the goalkeepers that Villa have does not help matters at all.
If Garde does leave I hope he is very open about what has been happening behind the scenes; I would love to see him lead Villa to success because he does come over as being a decent bloke but the poverty of the football has had to be seen to be believed.
If he does stay I think he will find it very hard to move on the players that we all want rid of because of the contracts they command; we can only hope that there are some relegation clauses in place that allow us to dump the poorer players, although I suspect this will be wishful thinking.
Completely agree with the highlighted bit. It will almost certainly be made worth his while not to though.
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He'll have too much class to divulge that publicly. At least if he does it won't be now, and I imagine it will be part of any settlement. Play I am sure the new board are well aware of the issues, would making it public now really help. I can't see Garde doing a Lambert and never shut up about the secret forces and offering his resignation.
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God this is just too depressing. I have huge sympathy for Garde who seems to have been badly let down, but his manner is of someone that knows he is going and for whom the players aren't responding.
I would have liked him to have been given a chance to build his own squad over the summer if he had taken a braver stand against the 1st team regulars and trusted in the youth players more.
The thought of Pearson fills me with utter dread, and old MacDonald can do one after his embarrassing efforts last time.
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For Remi it has already happened...23:01 Feb 1st, for the board Monday at 10am.
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We've not had a structure in place at the club, ever in my memory. Doug never really had it, and certainly never under Randy. We have to give this time to work, and while things are shit now they won't always be that way if the process succeeds. There have been other clubs who are in strong positions today that were at one point in worse places than us. It is possible to recover and put this period in our history behind us.
I can't see us on a road to recovery until Lerner is gone. It will only be then that we will be able to put this period of history behind us and start anew. As long as he is ultimately calling the shots, all the changes of personnel at board level will be for nought.
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He's one person I no longer want to see at the club in any capacity. Or at least never again an option for first team duties.
I think the whole set up needs looking at. When a Sporting Director or such person is appointed, I would hope they will review the whole playing structure at the club including the academy.
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When Fox, Reilly, Almstadt and Co were appointed I am pretty sure we said the same thing about having a structure.
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Whilst I do feel for garde he is the wrong manager! We needed a motivator a man manager someone who can get the best out of the players.
Garde for me has failed as we have not got better and the players have given up on his watch! We might of gone down still but I do believe we would of done better with many many more managers.
It's a shame. We seem to have also got worse since Erick black joined as well.
We are down and we need to start a fresh with a new manager new board and fresh ideas
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I think it will happen before the end of the season. It just seems pretty clear that Remi won't be here after May. He might as well go now. Hollis at least seems to be pro-active. If he thinks that Remi's given up the ghost he'll probably pull the trigger on him. We'll see more turds being flushed before the season is out I hope.
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When Fox, Reilly, Almstadt and Co were appointed I am pretty sure we said the same thing about having a structure.
Yes, but the one thing everyone pretty much agreed on is that none of them had a football background. Fox got seduced by Sherwood which tells you what you need to know about his football knowledge.
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When Fox, Reilly, Almstadt and Co were appointed I am pretty sure we said the same thing about having a structure.
Yes, but the one thing everyone pretty much agreed on is that none of them had a football background. Fox got seduced by Sherwood which tells you what you need to know about his football knowledge.
Fox was also performing a different role than he did at Arsenal. We just seemed to be flinging jobs to people willy nilly without much forethought.
Touch wood the latest appointments will workout as they seem a bit more considered.
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We've not had a structure in place at the club, ever in my memory. Doug never really had it, and certainly never under Randy. We have to give this time to work, and while things are shit now they won't always be that way if the process succeeds. There have been other clubs who are in strong positions today that were at one point in worse places than us. It is possible to recover and put this period in our history behind us.
I can't see us on a road to recovery until Lerner is gone. It will only be then that we will be able to put this period of history behind us and start anew. As long as he is ultimately calling the shots, all the changes of personnel at board level will be for nought.
I agree with this until we have an owner who cares what happens to us, I can't see anything changing.
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And we'll be back to McDonald - who should have been sacked after his last effort at acting manager.
Agreed.
AGREED x 2
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Monday lunchtime once his compensation has been sorted tomorrow morning. McDonald & Black until the end of the season.
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I'd rather have Garde
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And we'll be back to McDonald - who should have been sacked after his last effort at acting manager.
Groan. I've just opened the beer at the thought of MacD petulantly picking the team until the end of the season.
Agreed.
AGREED x 2
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I'd rather have Garde
Agreed. What's the point in sacking him now if we're going to just put in caretakers til the summer?
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Feel very sorry for Garde. He has called out the players for a lack of fight and commitment which we've all been able to see these last 6 months and then not been given the tools by the club to make the changes he wanted to make.
Worst of all, those spineless players will get a clean slate to hang around for another manager. It will be a lost opportunity as anyone coming in is going to have to assess them all again. I just don't see an immediate bounce back if this happens.
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I'd rather have Garde
Agreed. What's the point in sacking him now if we're going to just put in caretakers til the summer?
Much depends if Garde wants to be here next season. If he's already made up his mind and fancies a return to Lyon, there's pretty much no point keeping him here. Better to give the new manager a look at what we have to see who he fancies to keep for next season. Ideally we hit the ground running next season as we won't have the luxury of tinkering with the squad and adding one or two in the summer.
Saying that, I'm completely against mid-season appointments as it restricts the quality of candidate. Of the names mentioned for far, not one interests me. We need to bring somebody in that suits our objectives, promotion and a season of security, not somebody that can get us promoted but completely out of their depth in the PL. I'm sure everybody is bored shitless with relegation fights and the last thing we want is to get promoted and find ourselves exactly where we were 12 months previous.
One thing about Garde is he never managed to get his backroom staff to join us. If he is to stay, we should do everything possible in the summer to get the support he needs. I do wonder how things would have turned out if he'd had a UK assistant manager alongside him from Day 1. Wenger had Pat Rice, Mourinho had Clarke, Benitez had Phil Thompson. Maybe our players wouldn't have been such c**ts if they knew they couldn't get away with their childish games.
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Hopefully, they put Sir Brian in charge with Eric Black until a suitable Manager is appointed. NOT NIGEL PEARSON!!
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One thing about Garde is he never managed to get his backroom staff to join us. If he is to stay, we should do everything possible in the summer to get the support he needs. I do wonder how things would have turned out if he'd had a UK assistant manager alongside him from Day 1. Wenger had Pat Rice, Mourinho had Clarke, Benitez had Phil Thompson. Maybe our players wouldn't have been such c**ts if they knew they couldn't get away with their childish games.
How much difference has Eric Black made though? Or Roy Keane? Or Ray Wilkins? Or Ian Culverhouse? None, our players are mostly c**ts and will still be c**ts no matter who the manager or assistant is. It's them that need to go.
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Gone Monday.
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I hope on Monday he is confirmed for next season with funds to back him in transfer market this summer.
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Feel very sorry for Garde. He has called out the players for a lack of fight and commitment which we've all been able to see these last 6 months and then not been given the tools by the club to make the changes he wanted to make.
Worst of all, those spineless players will get a clean slate to hang around for another manager. It will be a lost opportunity as anyone coming in is going to have to assess them all again. I just don't see an immediate bounce back if this happens.
I do agree with that point but let's make the change now rather than waste pre season so the new manager can see with his own eyes how poor some of these players really are.
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I hope on Monday he is confirmed for next season with funds to back him in transfer market this summer.
Me too.But I don't expect it.
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I hope on Monday he is confirmed for next season with funds to back him in transfer market this summer.
Me too.But I don't expect it.
Make that three of us. It's the players that need changing not the manager.
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Tomorrow, at a midday press conference.
"Aston Villa regret to announce... blah blah cobblers."
Next! ::)
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I hope on Monday he is confirmed for next season with funds to back him in transfer market this summer.
Me too.But I don't expect it.
Make that three of us. It's the players that need changing not the manager.
The support the guy has received still amazes me.
He's done absolutely nothing (in his managerial career if I'm honest) to warrant being kept on.
I'm sorry chaps. He has to go. He's sulked like a school girl for 3 months now. What we need is someone bright and enthusiastic to give the place a lift.
The biggest concern is trusting the board in getting the right replacement. Hopefully now Fox has gone we will.
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I hope on Monday he is confirmed for next season with funds to back him in transfer market this summer.
Me too.But I don't expect it.
Make that three of us. It's the players that need changing not the manager.
The support the guy has received still amazes me.
He's done absolutely nothing (in his managerial career if I'm honest) to warrant being kept on.
I'm sorry chaps. He has to go. He's sulked like a school girl for 3 months now. What we need is someone bright and enthusiastic to give the place a lift.
The biggest concern is trusting the board in getting the right replacement. Hopefully now Fox has gone we will.
I think your looking at this through tinted glasses. Look at his record developing a young team (on the cheap) at Lyon. But then he had three things there he has never had here. Time, his coaches, his players.
Bright & enthusiastic ..... ah yes, that will do it!
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Sherwood was bright and enthusiastic.......
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Bright? Did you really say bright?
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I don't think it will happen this season. Mutual consent after the last game but the new man is already watching. That's my bet.
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Bright? Did you really say bright?
As in a bright personality. Not intellectually. Obviously :)
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Bright? Did you really say bright?
As in a bright personality. Not intellectually. Obviously :)
Ha ha. Got you, he's a bit bubbly, jovial or good humoured, certainly not that clever though!
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We don't need bright and enthusiastic. The football side of club needs building from bottom up. So we need a methodical, considered approach by a sincere and strong minded man in charge.
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I think there's a real risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.
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I think there's a real risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.
Exactly. Finally the boardroom is being sorted out it seems. The next sort out should be at the player level, not the manager level. If we can fire managers and pay them off, why the hell cant we fire players and pay them off. Those who think the shower of shit that we call a squad today, are suddenly going to become something different tomorrow, just because we make yet another change, clearly have short term memories. These players for the most part were terrible for Lamber, for Sherwood, and now for Garde.
Guys - they are TERRIBLE. They need to be sold, or fired. Give the manager the tools to do the job, else keep firing ourselves in the foot.
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I hope on Monday he is confirmed for next season with funds to back him in transfer market this summer.
Me too.But I don't expect it.
Make that three of us. It's the players that need changing not the manager.
The support the guy has received still amazes me.
He's done absolutely nothing (in his managerial career if I'm honest) to warrant being kept on.
I'm sorry chaps. He has to go. He's sulked like a school girl for 3 months now. What we need is someone bright and enthusiastic to give the place a lift.
The biggest concern is trusting the board in getting the right replacement. Hopefully now Fox has gone we will.
I think your looking at this through tinted glasses. Look at his record developing a young team (on the cheap) at Lyon. But then he had three things there he has never had here. Time, his coaches, his players.
Bright & enthusiastic ..... ah yes, that will do it!
From memory I think he had 3 years at Lyon, taking over from a very unpopular coach. He pretty much kept the full compliment of players for the first season before having to sell off the stars to balance the books.
In that first season I don't think he improved their league finish over the previous guy. Also bear in mind Lyon are in the top three clubs in France, and not a mid table outfit or relegation scrappers. They never finished higher than 3Rd under him, which to me isn't a great achievement. In fact they actually improved when he left, finishing second.
There were also question marks over why he left when he did, it maybe suggests he has a lack of mental strength?
I also read criticism of his defensive organisation, which has kind of bourne out with us.
As you say, the failure to secure his coaches was I suspect a major disadvantage to him, and there's no doubt he was treated badly by the board. Though I suspect those decisions were influenced by our awful form at the time.
Couple all that with the lack of Prem experience and knowledge of relegation fights and tbh I'm really not sure he was a wise choice in the first place.
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The key thing, for me, is to look at who we were heavily linked with in January, Kalinic, Doumbia, Debuchy and Khazri:
We have keepers with no confidence who are making mistakes so we can't reliably keep clean sheets.
We have full backs and wingers who can't cross and don't commit extra defenders out wide to create space.
We have strikers who don't attack the ball, don't move and don't hit the target anything like enough so we don't get goals.
The first problem needs to be fixed, if you're defence/keeper is going to gift 1-2 goals every game you don't win many games at any level.
After that fixing either of the other problems would make a big difference and fixing both would totally change our attacking play.
He identified all of these major issues and targeted players to help with each but we didn't get anything. To me that shows that he's on the right track even if the results don't show it, I think this summer (depending on who stays and goes) would see a big change in the squad and I don't want that potential change to be put on hold for a year whilst we get a new guy with a track record in the championship who sees people like Gabby and thinks he can do something with them.
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To be fair identifying that we concede goals and have no-one to look even remotely like scoring at the other end doesn't say anything in particular about garde. Its plain to see what's wrong with the team. I think it was more that the replacements didn't want to come. On top of that players who did want to come would know we are desperate so the price goes up. i think it's fair enough if the board looks a the players we were linked out and wondered of spending those extra millions were likely to make a difference. It worked with Bent, but I don't think those mooted would have been anything other than an expensive gamble that if relegated may have seen them difficult to shift.
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He didn't get the team playing with a coherent plan that gave us a chance to win games. Our players are limited of course but league two teams in the cups give teams more of a game than we have under Garde.
What type of game have we played under him? What's the plan been?
In answer to the thread question, not soon enough. A terrible appointment.
Maybe the right guy for taking over from an Allardyce or O'Neil who had levelled out in mid table, but not the guy to take over when he did. Which is what I thought when we appointed him and sadly what I think now.
He had never been manager of a team in that situation, in any league. Plus he had to adapt to a new league, and do it all without his assistants, while managing a team who barely knew each other. A massive job, and he wasn't up to it. Nothing in his CV really suggested he would be.
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He didn't get the team playing with a coherent plan that gave us a chance to win games. Our players are limited of course but league two teams in the cups give teams more of a game than we have under Garde.
What type of game have we played under him? What's the plan been?
In answer to the thread question, not soon enough. A terrible appointment.
Maybe the right guy for taking over from an Allardyce or O'Neil who had levelled out in mid table, but not the guy to take over when he did. Which is what I thought when we appointed him and sadly what I think now.
He had never been manager of a team in that situation, in any league. Plus he had to adapt to a new league, and do it all without his assistants, while managing a team who barely knew each other. A massive job, and he wasn't up to it. Nothing in his CV really suggested he would be.
Well yes he did, before the liverpool game we'd had a run of decent results that if we'd managed to keep going we'd be within a couple of points of safety now, the Liverpool game broke him and us for this season.
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I want Steve McLaren.
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I want Steve McLaren.
Be careful what you wish for
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I hope on Monday he is confirmed for next season with funds to back him in transfer market this summer.
Me too.But I don't expect it.
Make that three of us. It's the players that need changing not the manager.
The support the guy has received still amazes me.
He's done absolutely nothing (in his managerial career if I'm honest) to warrant being kept on.
I'm sorry chaps. He has to go. He's sulked like a school girl for 3 months now. What we need is someone bright and enthusiastic to give the place a lift.
The biggest concern is trusting the board in getting the right replacement. Hopefully now Fox has gone we will.
Most of the players who've let him down are the ones who need to go first, but this is not really possible unfortunately. If the so called senior players are still there when a new manager arrives and they don't like him, will next season be any different.
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I think they will look for a manager who can manage the current team with maybe a few add on's
Remi has proved he is not that manager.
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I think they will look for a manager who can manage the current team with maybe a few add on's
Remi has proved he is not that manager.
This is it. We don't have the money nor will we be able to get rid of massive chunks of the squad. We have unfortunately got to work with most of what we have.
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I'd like a manager who can manage this team with a baseball bat full of nine inch nails
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I'd like a manager who can manage this team with a baseball bat full of nine inch nails
Exactly - a right bastard who will make the rest of their season a living hell.
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I'd like a manager who can manage this team with a baseball bat full of nine inch nails
Exactly - a right bastard who will make the rest of their season a living hell.
Spot on. These players need a rocket up their arses
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It worries me that each appointment seems to be the opposite of the previous one.
Even if Garde is the wrong guy, they should have a strategy and stick to it.
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It worries me that each appointment seems to be the opposite of the previous one.
Even if Garde is the wrong guy, they should have a strategy and stick to it.
Very much so. The lurch from wanting Martinez to wanting his polar opposite in McLeish over the course of a summer still boggles the mind.
However, if there were any point that a complete change in direction could be justified it would probably be now - as it's completely different people making the decisions and coming up with the strategy (sic).
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It worries me that each appointment seems to be the opposite of the previous one.
Even if Garde is the wrong guy, they should have a strategy and stick to it.
Very much so. The lurch from wanting Martinez to wanting his polar opposite in McLeish over the course of a summer still boggles the mind.
However, if there were any point that a complete change in direction could be justified it would probably be now - as it's completely different people making the decisions and coming up with the strategy (sic).
Quite simply both had worked on limited budgets - and therein lies the real reason Martinez wasn't interested, knowing it wasn't his style of football that had brought the attention.
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He didn't get the team playing with a coherent plan that gave us a chance to win games. Our players are limited of course but league two teams in the cups give teams more of a game than we have under Garde.
What type of game have we played under him? What's the plan been?
In answer to the thread question, not soon enough. A terrible appointment.
Maybe the right guy for taking over from an Allardyce or O'Neil who had levelled out in mid table, but not the guy to take over when he did. Which is what I thought when we appointed him and sadly what I think now.
He had never been manager of a team in that situation, in any league. Plus he had to adapt to a new league, and do it all without his assistants, while managing a team who barely knew each other. A massive job, and he wasn't up to it. Nothing in his CV really suggested he would be.
Well yes he did, before the liverpool game we'd had a run of decent results that if we'd managed to keep going we'd be within a couple of points of safety now, the Liverpool game broke him and us for this season.
I have been as desperate to look for positives as anyone, but our good spell was January-Liverpool
A month where we started with that loss to Sunderland and failing to beat Wycombe, a win against palace, draw with Leicester, win against Wycombe and 0-0 with the Baggies, a 4-0 defeat against man city and a defeat to West Ham.
So our bright spell of the season was a spawny win against palace, getting a good draw against Leicester and managing to beat Norwich. I was happy at the time of the Norwich game because I still thought we might be able to scrape survival because the other teams around weren't picking up many points.
But it wasn't as if we dominated in those games, although the Norwich one was more comfortable.
Look at Gardes results.
Man city 0-0
Everton 0-4
Watford 2-3
Southampton 1-1
Arsenal 0-2
Newcastle 1-1
West Ham 1-1
Norwich 0-2
Sunderland 1-3
Wycombe 1-1
Palace 1-0
Leicester 1-1
Wycombe 2-0
West brom 0-0
Man city 0-4
West Ham 0-2
Norwich 2-0
Liverpool 0-6
Stoke 1-2
Everton 1-3
Man city 0-4
Spurs 0-2
Swansea 0-1
There's nothing to get to excited about amongst that lot. In fact it's horrendous. Even the Wycombe game we won we were dreadful. I was desperate for garde to work out, and it wont give me any pleasure when he gets the sack but whatever the squad of players those aren't the results of a manger worthy of Aston villa.
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so the deffo binned at 11am thing didn't happen then?
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Mr Hollis is having his lunch in the staff canteen. He has a compromise agreement for signature on his desk for when he gets back.
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I would have hated it earlier in the season but now we're effectively down I can't help but think the nutjob Pearson might be as good a bet as anyone provided we can get him on a shortish contract.
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According to Talkbollocks this morning, they said Pearson was more or less a done deal!!
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Mr Hollis is having his lunch in the staff canteen. He has a compromise agreement for signature on his desk for when he gets back.
The Government has decreed that we must call them "Settlement Agreements" these days as they said the previous name put people off because they did not want to be seen to be "compromising", which is not something any client had ever suggested to me in practice, ever.
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I'd like a manager who can manage this team with a baseball bat full of nine inch nails
Pearson it is then...
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I'd like a manager who can manage this team with a baseball bat full of nine inch nails
Pearson it is then...
Quality, (this is why I come on here, absolutely lol)
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According to Talkbollocks this morning, they said Pearson was more or less a done deal!!
They said the same about Bob Bradley a few years back
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Please don't start with the Bob Bradley thing again - someone from the club might spot it on here and think it is a good idea.
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Mr Hollis is having his lunch in the staff canteen. He has a compromise agreement for signature on his desk for when he gets back.
The Government has decreed that we must call them "Settlement Agreements" these days as they said the previous name put people off because they did not want to be seen to be "compromising", which is not something any client had ever suggested to me in practice, ever.
Ah I stand corrected. Learn something new every day.
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Please don't start with the Bob Bradley thing again - someone from the club mediamight spot it on here and think it is a good idea way to wind us up.
Is far more likely.
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It's a mercy killing really, isn't it?
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It's a mercy killing really, isn't it?
Merci killing?
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Although I think Pearson is a mentalist I do think he is tough enough to stamp on this oh so obvious dissent in the camp.
I really hope if it is him that he starts to tear into these wankers from day one
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Although I think Pearson is a mentalist I do think he is tough enough to stamp on this oh so obvious dissent in the camp.
I really hope if it is him that he starts to tear into these wankers from day one
My thoughts exactly. It's all about revenge for me now.
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I think with the right backroom team he is the only logical UK choice
Talk of Bruce / Pulis / Alladyce makes a little bit of sick form in my throat - actually anyone of those tried and failed muppets and that's it for me
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It's not based on more than feeling, but when I think about Pearson managing Villa in the Championship it just screams '11th'. I can just picture his face after another disappointing home draw, you know? The whole enterprise would be like giving up.
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But you won't get that team from Leicester
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Although I think Pearson is a mentalist I do think he is tough enough to stamp on this oh so obvious dissent in the camp.
I really hope if it is him that he starts to tear into these wankers from day one
Totally agree.
Lambert, Sherwood and Garde are just too soft to really make an impression on this group of idiots. I'd like our next manager to have a fear factor, I'm just not interested in Pearson..
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Although I think Pearson is a mentalist I do think he is tough enough to stamp on this oh so obvious dissent in the camp.
I really hope if it is him that he starts to tear into these wankers from day one
That's all well and good but what happens on Day 2? He won't have Walsh or Shakespeare alongside him. We'd just end up with a mentalist as manager. No thanks.
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It's a mercy killing really, isn't it?
Merci killing?
Bravo Monsieur Hamilton
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Although I think Pearson is a mentalist I do think he is tough enough to stamp on this oh so obvious dissent in the camp.
I really hope if it is him that he starts to tear into these wankers from day one
That's all well and good but what happens on Day 2? He won't have Walsh or Shakespeare alongside him. We'd just end up with a mentalist as manager. No thanks.
Can't we just skip to day 6 where he has Richards adopt the ostrich position whilst someone uses him for jousting practice.
"And that's why you don't f##k with me."
I can't help thinking that in so much as this season's been a car crash that no one's wanted to watch, Pearson would be pouring petrol onto the funeral pure and create a spectacle that every one else would find entertaining, whereas no one actually involved would think it much fun (yet again).
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Pearson - I just cannot see it.
Can you really imagine someone as staid, steady, conservative as our board going for an outspoken nutjob like Pearson?
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VID good post but they won't use Richards in the Ostrich Position just for vaulting. Like in the nudist colony sports day, anybody leap frogging deliberately low gets sent home.
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I see absolutely no merit in Pearson (or anyone else for that matter) just steaming in and chucking a few grenades about. We've tried the bomb squad before and it was an unequivocal disaster. Yet this is pretty much what you are all clamoring for.
It's obvious we are shit, but whoever comes in is going to have to work with a good few of these players whether we like it or not.
As for it being Pearson, he (eventually) got Leicester playing pretty well before self imploding. But without his backroom staff it seems a massive gamble to me.
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Let's leave the shroud waving until he's actually appointed. Better still, let's hope they appoint someone else
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Anyway, doesn't look like Garde's going anywhere.
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Anyway, doesn't look like Garde's going anywhere.
Birmingham Mail running front and back page headline saying he is going.
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I see absolutely no merit in Pearson (or anyone else for that matter) just steaming in and chucking a few grenades about. We've tried the bomb squad before and it was an unequivocal disaster. Yet this is pretty much what you are all clamoring for.
It's obvious we are shit, but whoever comes in is going to have to work with a good few of these players whether we like it or not.
As for it being Pearson, he (eventually) got Leicester playing pretty well before self imploding. But without his backroom staff it seems a massive gamble to me.
Fair point.
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Evening all, just in from graft - has he gone yet?
What's for dinner btw?
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Anyway, doesn't look like Garde's going anywhere.
Birmingham Mail running front and back page headline saying he is going.
And then trying to sell the rag by being provocative. Steve Clarke? Where feck did that come from?
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Anyway, doesn't look like Garde's going anywhere.
Birmingham Mail running front and back page headline saying he is going.
And then trying to sell the rag by being provocative. Steve Clarke? Where feck did that come from?
Me probably! I randomly think Steve Clarke would be a good choice for us so you can all amuse yourself with that pearl of wisdom!
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Well we are being linked with real top quality managers...Pearson.Clarke..I know we are a shambles at the moment but if that is the level of our expectation then we really do have problems..I fuckin despair.
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If the new board has come up with a shortlist of 3 predictable names already, then they're just as clueless as the last lot. There's no rush to do anything atm whether that be sacking Garde or choosing a new guy
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If the new board has come up with a shortlist of 3 predictable names already, then they're just as clueless as the last lot. There's no rush to do anything atm whether that be sacking Garde or choosing a new guy
Correct. Bruce, Pearson, Dyche - all have some merits. All have some limitations.
Which one of these are going to be able to change the attitude of 15 players who shouldn't be here - regardless of whether they like the cushy ride - and which one will maintain the 6-8 players who we do want to keep, half of whom are the only ones anyone would want?
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I'm pretty sure Garde will be gone this week, but I just hope to God the new boardroom incumbents somehow manage to do a better job at their managerial selection than the dross we've had to endure since MON walked. Shirley - even by the law of avarages - we can get somebody in who actually capable of sorting out & managing a bunch of can't-be-arsed professional footballers?! Jeeeeez...
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Anyway, doesn't look like Garde's going anywhere.
Birmingham Mail running front and back page headline saying he is going.
And then trying to sell the rag by being provocative. Steve Clarke? Where feck did that come from?
Me probably! I randomly think Steve Clarke would be a good choice for us so you can all amuse yourself with that pearl of wisdom!
Well at least you didn't say Lee Clark!
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Please don't start with the Bob Bradley thing again - someone from the club might spot it on here and think it is a good idea.
Oh how I wish Bradley had come instead of clowns we have wasted our time and money on!
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Spot on. These players need a rocket up their arses
I think that would be painful.
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God knows how much cash we've pissed up the wall when it comes to paying out compensation. McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood and now probably Garde all given the boot early into long term contracts.
Hope it's nothing serious with his relative. Could explain his demeanor on Saturday.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/21/remi-garde-and-aston-villa-set-for-final-exit-talks/
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If the new board has come up with a shortlist of 3 predictable names already, then they're just as clueless as the last lot. There's no rush to do anything atm whether that be sacking Garde or choosing a new guy
You are right. I am hoping this is the clueless press just going for the easy names (IE: managers they have heard of) rather than what the new board are actually considering.
After the goodwill the recent board changes have made it would be a real shame if they sacked Garde and replaced him with some uninspiring predictable choice. If the likes of Newcastle can get top quality managers than we should at least be aiming at that level or a hair below that, not straight to the bargain bin.
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They couldn't sack him today as he escaped on the hovercraft.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-managerial-update-latest-11073181
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If the new board has come up with a shortlist of 3 predictable names already, then they're just as clueless as the last lot. There's no rush to do anything atm whether that be sacking Garde or choosing a new guy
How do you or anyone other than the board actually know what the shortlist is? Anything other them is pure speculation. When we hired Garde he wasn't even in the picture until the very end and we were linked with Pearson at that time also.
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Well we are being linked with real top quality managers...Pearson.Clarke..I know we are a shambles at the moment but if that is the level of our expectation then we really do have problems..I fuckin despair.
It always amazes me when posters lose their rag over what's been written in a newspaper and this is before the manager has even gone.
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He won't go anywhere unless he's pushed, why walk and kiss goodbye to a pay-off? And I don't think he would have many clubs looking to Poach him after his performance at VP, also we're down and getting rid changes nothing in Randy''s eyes and he isn't going to finance ANOTHER managerial severance package when he's selling up anyway (and my feeling is there may well be a buyer waiting for our confirmed relegation) - no, we're stuck with the Lad - his dismissal and replacement will be somebody else's problem not Lerners.
I may be proved wrong but i still stand by this, if Lerners hoping to sell it just wouldn't make financial sense for him to dismiss him, especially when he still has 3 years of his contract left to run.
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Nothing's made financial sense with regards to his managerial appointments though. I can't see this being any different.
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He won't go anywhere unless he's pushed, why walk and kiss goodbye to a pay-off? And I don't think he would have many clubs looking to Poach him after his performance at VP, also we're down and getting rid changes nothing in Randy''s eyes and he isn't going to finance ANOTHER managerial severance package when he's selling up anyway (and my feeling is there may well be a buyer waiting for our confirmed relegation) - no, we're stuck with the Lad - his dismissal and replacement will be somebody else's problem not Lerners.
I may be proved wrong but i still stand by this, if Lerners hoping to sell it just wouldn't make financial sense for him to dismiss him, especially when he still has 3 years of his contract left to run.
Did you just quote yourself? From a whole 2 days ago? Wow.
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If the new board has come up with a shortlist of 3 predictable names already, then they're just as clueless as the last lot. There's no rush to do anything atm whether that be sacking Garde or choosing a new guy
You are right. I am hoping this is the clueless press just going for the easy names (IE: managers they have heard of) rather than what the new board are actually considering.
After the goodwill the recent board changes have made it would be a real shame if they sacked Garde and replaced him with some uninspiring predictable choice. If the likes of Newcastle can get top quality managers than we should at least be aiming at that level or a hair below that, not straight to the bargain bin.
Don't forget that Benitez will be doing a sharp offski if the Barcodes join us in Palookaville next season: & who could blame him?
As much as I'd like to see us bringing in a top manager with a top CV, I'd be happy with somebody with a good record at sorting out mucho accumulated shite & getting teams out of the Championship. That said, I can only hope that they'll be given the full support & backing necessary to turn this floundering vessel around. I guess we'll just have to hope & pray eh?
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Can't see him being sacked untill relegation is confirmed, that'll be the club's get out of jail card with regards to compensation.
That is of course if we do sack him .
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Does anyone follow 'Everything Aston Villa' on facebook?
There was a post earlier today about Remi from one of the Admins who claimed he knows someone who lives with one of our youngsters. The post has wisely been pulled, but the comments (allegedly made by the player) about the manager were very damning.
I know its a 'my uncles cleaner' type thing, bit for an Admin of a page with over 10k followers to make a post like that is worrying.
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Does anyone follow 'Everything Aston Villa' on facebook?
There was a post earlier today about Remi from one of the Admins who claimed he knows someone who lives with one of our youngsters. The post has wisely been pulled, but the comments (allegedly made by the player) about the manager were very damning.
I know its a 'my uncles cleaner' type thing, bit for an Admin of a page with over 10k followers to make a post like that is worrying.
Can you give some intel on what was actually said?
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Does anyone follow 'Everything Aston Villa' on facebook?
There was a post earlier today about Remi from one of the Admins who claimed he knows someone who lives with one of our youngsters. The post has wisely been pulled, but the comments (allegedly made by the player) about the manager were very damning.
I know its a 'my uncles cleaner' type thing, bit for an Admin of a page with over 10k followers to make a post like that is worrying.
Can you give some intel on what was actually said?
In a nutshell he said he knew someone who lived with one of our young players (he did name him which wasn't the brightest thing to do) and the player had said that Garde was terrible - doesn't always take part in training, poor communicator, did't even give this lad any instructions when he went on as sub in a game. etc. It was fairly damning stuff really. But could all be bullshit which is why I thought it odd an admin of a page like that would stick their neck out on it.
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If the new board has come up with a shortlist of 3 predictable names already, then they're just as clueless as the last lot. There's no rush to do anything atm whether that be sacking Garde or choosing a new guy
You are right. I am hoping this is the clueless press just going for the easy names (IE: managers they have heard of) rather than what the new board are actually considering.
After the goodwill the recent board changes have made it would be a real shame if they sacked Garde and replaced him with some uninspiring predictable choice. If the likes of Newcastle can get top quality managers than we should at least be aiming at that level or a hair below that, not straight to the bargain bin.
Don't forget that Benitez will be doing a sharp offski if the Barcodes join us in Palookaville next season: & who could blame him?
As much as I'd like to see us bringing in a top manager with a top CV, I'd be happy with somebody with a good record at sorting out mucho accumulated shite & getting teams out of the Championship. That said, I can only hope that they'll be given the full support & backing necessary to turn this floundering vessel around. I guess we'll just have to hope & pray eh?
I'm sure Garde will be receiving a decent pay off when he goes, so I'm thinking it will be a manager who is currently out of work. Can't see us paying two lots of compensation.
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Good afternoon,
Just in from work.
Has he gone yet?
What's the dinner by the way?
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Is it Groundhog day?
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Good afternoon,
Just in from work.
Has he gone yet?
What's the dinner by the way?
Egg, beans and chips
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now?
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Does anyone follow 'Everything Aston Villa' on facebook?
There was a post earlier today about Remi from one of the Admins who claimed he knows someone who lives with one of our youngsters. The post has wisely been pulled, but the comments (allegedly made by the player) about the manager were very damning.
I know its a 'my uncles cleaner' type thing, bit for an Admin of a page with over 10k followers to make a post like that is worrying.
Can you give some intel on what was actually said?
In a nutshell he said he knew someone who lived with one of our young players (he did name him which wasn't the brightest thing to do) and the player had said that Garde was terrible - doesn't always take part in training, poor communicator, did't even give this lad any instructions when he went on as sub in a game. etc. It was fairly damning stuff really. But could all be bullshit which is why I thought it odd an admin of a page like that would stick their neck out on it.
Given the largely unheeded screams to play the youngsters, it's a very small pool someone is trying to hide in.
Re the doesn't always take part in training, Very few managers do. That's why they employ coaches. To carry out the training after their instructions. O'Neill was notorious for not turning up until Thursday morning.
Poor communicator? He's the most coherent, intelligible manager we've had since Little -> Gregory-> SGT II.
Unless people prefer, "honest bunch of lads, but we just can't compete with likes of Charlton, which is triffic, just triffic for some someone like me who's an attacking manager has gone again, but don't worry because Tim Sherwood is here to shake them up with some self serving platitudes"
All served up with a reassuring blend of accents from around the UK.
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I don't disagree with you. But by poor communication, the post inferred that Remi literally very rarely spoke to the players about tactics etc. But more importantly, if I was a youngster about to make an appearance in a massive game, I would probably hope for a few words of wisdom from the manager either before the game or as I am about to go on in terms of what he expected etc. The claims made were that he didn't say a word, just 'on you go.' If true, I think that would be worrying. But I guess it's probably a fairly big 'if.' As I said the post has been deleted now so I can't quote it verbatim.
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Does anyone follow 'Everything Aston Villa' on facebook?
There was a post earlier today about Remi from one of the Admins who claimed he knows someone who lives with one of our youngsters. The post has wisely been pulled, but the comments (allegedly made by the player) about the manager were very damning.
I know its a 'my uncles cleaner' type thing, bit for an Admin of a page with over 10k followers to make a post like that is worrying.
Can you give some intel on what was actually said?
In a nutshell he said he knew someone who lived with one of our young players (he did name him which wasn't the brightest thing to do) and the player had said that Garde was terrible - doesn't always take part in training, poor communicator, did't even give this lad any instructions when he went on as sub in a game. etc. It was fairly damning stuff really. But could all be bullshit which is why I thought it odd an admin of a page like that would stick their neck out on it.
Given the largely unheeded screams to play the youngsters, it's a very small pool someone is trying to hide in.
Re the doesn't always take part in training, Very few managers do. That's why they employ coaches. To carry out the training after their instructions. O'Neill was notorious for not turning up until Thursday morning.
Poor communicator? He's the most coherent, intelligible manager we've had since Little -> Gregory-> SGT II.
Unless people prefer, "honest bunch of lads, but we just can't compete with likes of Charlton, which is triffic, just triffic for some someone like me who's an attacking manager has gone again, but don't worry because Tim Sherwood is here to shake them up with some self serving platitudes"
All served up with a reassuring blend of accents from around the UK.
I get what you're saying there VID, however Remi's record has effectively sealed his fate - and any club would pull the trigger (irrespective of the extenuating circumstances). I know the circumstances differ, somewhat,but my (now) local club B&HA lost their way relatively recently when they banked on an inexperienced overseas manager to stop the rot: & it was only when they brought in an experienced British manager (Chris Houghton) - with a track record of organising, motivating and getting Championship teams promoted - that their fortunes were significantly improved. I'm not suggesting we should wave a wad & bang on about our size & history to turn CH's bonce (I think he realises that he's already got a good thing going where he is anyway), but I personally think that an experienced & talented home-grown manager would stand a better chance of bringing about some stability & much-needed positivity on the pitch that many of us crave. All we need now is somebody good enough & mad enough to take the hitherto poisoned chalice...
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Auntiesledd, my point above wasn't about whether he should stay or go, but whether the story is a big load of hairy gonads.
My gut instinct until Saturday was he should be given at least to Christmas, but the team selections are starting to resemble the Sherwood pin the tail on the donkey.
There's absolutely no benefit to anyone other than Garde himself in sacking him now, and if he wants to walk, he knows where the door is. Let him stay until the end of the season, but unless by some miracle he can start to show signs of the putative indications of defensive cohesion and robustness in midfield that it looked like we'd started to find in January then I think that a parting of the ways is inevitable.
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I get what you're saying there VID, however Remi's record has effectively sealed his fate - and any club would pull the trigger (irrespective of the extenuating circumstances). I know the circumstances differ, somewhat,but my (now) local club B&HA lost their way relatively recently when they banked on an inexperienced overseas manager to stop the rot: & it was only when they brought in an experienced British manager (Chris Houghton) - with a track record of organising, motivating and getting Championship teams promoted - that their fortunes were significantly improved. I'm not suggesting we should wave a wad & bang on about our size & history to turn CH's bonce (I think he realises that he's already got a good thing going where he is anyway), but I personally think that an experienced & talented home-grown manager would stand a better chance of bringing about some stability & much-needed positivity on the pitch that many of us crave. All we need now is somebody good enough & mad enough to take the hitherto poisoned chalice...
Is Hughton doing a good job because he's British or because he's a good manager?
Carvalhal at Wednesday has no track record of getting teams promoted but has significantly improved Sheff Wed.
A good manager is a good manager.
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Auntiesledd, my point above wasn't about whether he should stay or go, but whether the story is a big load of hairy gonads.
My gut instinct until Saturday was he should be given at least to Christmas, but the team selections are starting to resemble the Sherwood pin the tail on the donkey.
There's absolutely no benefit to anyone other than Garde himself in sacking him now, and if he wants to walk, he knows where the door is. Let him stay until the end of the season, but unless by some miracle he can start to show signs of the putative indications of defensive cohesion and robustness in midfield that it looked like we'd started to find in January then I think that a parting of the ways is inevitable.
Aha. I evidently didn't get what you were saying at all! That'll teach me for coming in on an ongoing debate that I haven't caught up on. After a cuppla 3 sherbets (obviously). My humble apologies to you good Sir. UTV.
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When the next manager says Gabby is on fire in training you won't need Bill Shakespeare to pen the script for the inevitable tragedy that will ensue.
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I get what you're saying there VID, however Remi's record has effectively sealed his fate - and any club would pull the trigger (irrespective of the extenuating circumstances). I know the circumstances differ, somewhat,but my (now) local club B&HA lost their way relatively recently when they banked on an inexperienced overseas manager to stop the rot: & it was only when they brought in an experienced British manager (Chris Houghton) - with a track record of organising, motivating and getting Championship teams promoted - that their fortunes were significantly improved. I'm not suggesting we should wave a wad & bang on about our size & history to turn CH's bonce (I think he realises that he's already got a good thing going where he is anyway), but I personally think that an experienced & talented home-grown manager would stand a better chance of bringing about some stability & much-needed positivity on the pitch that many of us crave. All we need now is somebody good enough & mad enough to take the hitherto poisoned chalice...
Is Hughton doing a good job because he's British or because he's a good manager?
Carvalhal at Wednesday has no track record of getting teams promoted but has significantly improved Sheff Wed.
A good manager is a good manager.
Fair comment SV. It's high time The Wendy's had a somebody at the helm who gave them something to genuinely feel positive about of a match day. What's Carvalhal's history that evidently makes him a good manager?
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I get what you're saying there VID, however Remi's record has effectively sealed his fate - and any club would pull the trigger (irrespective of the extenuating circumstances). I know the circumstances differ, somewhat,but my (now) local club B&HA lost their way relatively recently when they banked on an inexperienced overseas manager to stop the rot: & it was only when they brought in an experienced British manager (Chris Houghton) - with a track record of organising, motivating and getting Championship teams promoted - that their fortunes were significantly improved. I'm not suggesting we should wave a wad & bang on about our size & history to turn CH's bonce (I think he realises that he's already got a good thing going where he is anyway), but I personally think that an experienced & talented home-grown manager would stand a better chance of bringing about some stability & much-needed positivity on the pitch that many of us crave. All we need now is somebody good enough & mad enough to take the hitherto poisoned chalice...
Is Hughton doing a good job because he's British or because he's a good manager?
Carvalhal at Wednesday has no track record of getting teams promoted but has significantly improved Sheff Wed.
A good manager is a good manager.
Fair comment SV. It's high time The Wendy's had a somebody at the helm who gave them something to genuinely feel positive about of a match day. What's Carvalhal's history that evidently makes him a good manager?
No idea. I'd never heard of him before this season.
(I should add that although still SheffieldVillain on here, I signed up with the username when I was at uni in Sheffield and haven't actually lived there since 2007 so don't really follow the Sheffield teams' fortunes)
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I hope we are looking ahead and that a manager will be brought in not only to get us out of the Championship next season, but also to establish back in the Premier League two of three seasons after that.
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When the next manager says Gabby is on fire in training you won't need Bill Shakespeare to pen the script for the inevitable tragedy that will ensue.
No, it probably means he has crashed the burger van at Bodymoor Heath.
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For christs sake what are they waiting for? Put him out of his misery, he should have gone Saturday night.
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maybe he isn't going - at all, or at least not until the end of the season. There could easily be a relegation clause in his contract, given our previous experiences, which limits compensation.
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When the next manager says Gabby is on fire in training you wont need to get the fire brigade, just some more petrol.
Fixed!!!!!lol.
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When the next manager says Gabby is on fire in training
..... I'll be hoping he means it literally.
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For what it's worth, a supposed ITK just called to tell me it will happen within the next 24 hours.
Personally, I'm not quite sure what that's going to achieve at this juncture but I've been less and less impressed with Remi with each passing week and maybe the board are feeling the same way?
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On Saturday I was told by a mate who went that he hardly left the bench all game. That tells me that the towel had gone in from him.
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Great. Now I know how to recognize a good manager. They don't sit down, but stand up, failing their arms and looking aggrieved throughout the match. Thank you.
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On Saturday I was told by a mate who went that he hardly left the bench all game. That tells me that the towel had gone in from him.
Well, it would be on top of a fucking big pile of them.
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For christs sake what are they waiting for? Put him out of his misery, he should have gone Saturday night.
Yes. Hurry up. The dice need rolling.
Again.
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For christs sake what are they waiting for? Put him out of his misery, he should have gone Saturday night.
Yes. Hurry up. The dice need rolling.
Again.
To what effect?
Nothing can stop us going under now. Take the time to appoint / convince the right man and get them set up to hit the ground running at season's end, assuming that they do decide that Garde is indeed damaged goods with this squad.
Nobody needs to be parachuted into the poison pool that is our squad this season. I'd go as far as to say it could put people off. "I'll come and take the rebuild job in June, but I'm going nowhere near that car crash this season."
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Not quite sure I agree with all of that VID.
if Remi is to get the Spanish archer, then I think getting his replacement in quickly is massively important.
Firstly, I think the new board will already have identified him.
Secondly, he will need to evaluate the (shite) squad before the season's end so that he make all the decisions through the summer to hopefully have us up and running in August.
Of course, it all depends on it being the right man in the first place.
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Not quite sure I agree with all of that VID.
if Remi is to get the Spanish archer, then I think getting his replacement in quickly is massively important.
Firstly, I think the new board will already have identified him.
Secondly, he will need to evaluate the (shite) squad before the season's end so that he make all the decisions through the summer to hopefully have us up and running in August.
Of course, it all depends on it being the right man in the first place.
But why would, Moyes for the sake of argumnet, want to come and have anything to do with this abomination of a season.
He can probably see 80% of what he he needs to see from a Sky+ subscription, or failing that, Randy's personal live feed. I very much doubt that anyone walking in won't have a clear idea of who they think they can work with and who they would want out of the door by May 31st. It's not as though our demise has happened under the radar for anyone involved in the game anywhere in Europe.
If it is Moyes, he'll know just about all of our squad from scouting them as pre-match prep for Everton and Man Utd. The only ones he wouldn't know much about are Amavi, Ayew, Guaye and Veretout, along with maybe Gestede and the youngsters who he would almost certainly keep anyway.
None of that stops the board making a decision and if they decide on a new manager, starting the process.
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I can help Moyes in assessing the squad. They're all absolutely shit.
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Good afternoon,
Just in from work.
Has he gone yet?
What's the dinner by the way?
Egg, beans and chips
I'd rather be a sausage than an egg
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That's not a yoke is it?
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Nothing is going to happen quickly. If I were say, Moyes' solicitor I would demand two weeks to write the clause in his contract headed "Funds, players for the purchase of" and another two weeks for the clause "Players, disposal of, 1) Agbonlahor Gabriel 2) Bacuna Leandro etc."
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Moyes is just paper talk although it would be fantastic if it came off. Have read many things about Moyes and his scouting policy and he was years ahead of most other managers regarding scouting and tracking suitable players. Rest assured he will already have a detailed dossier on all the villa players and that's why I would be amazed if he came.
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For what it's worth, a supposed ITK just called to tell me it will happen within the next 24 hours...
You need a better supposed ITK
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Nothing is going to happen quickly. If I were say, Moyes' solicitor I would demand two weeks to write the clause in his contract headed "Funds, players for the purchase of" and another two weeks for the clause "Players, disposal of, 1) Agbonlahor Gabriel 2) Bacuna Leandro etc."
3) Richards, Micah, 4) Westwood, Ashley, 5) Cissokho, Aly, 6) Guzan, Bradley...
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Lioness Mascot, reinstatement of...
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Tarzan, reintroduction of...
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Barry, Gareth, penalty, non taking, reasons for, establishment of.
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SAF's balls, loan of
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When the next manager says Gabby is on fire in training
..... I'll be hoping he means it literally.
I'm sure it will be spontaneous
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Tarzan, reintroduction of...
Werewolf back in the Holte End too
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Not sure anyone would want to join us while Riley is still here. I think he has been a major contributor to our decline. If the new board think that the future includes Riley then they need to catch themselves on.
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Not sure anyone would want to join us while Riley is still here. I think he has been a major contributor to our decline. If the new board think that the future includes Riley then they need to catch themselves on.
Yes, I'm sure that will be a big factor in any potential new managers thoughts. Good salary - check. Happy with what the board's plans are - check. Shit, the Chief Scout's Paddy Riley... can't take it then.
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If the football board, featuring a former chairman of the FA and a club legend, think that Reilly is worth keeping then I'm going to trust their judgement that he wasn't as big a problem as has been assumed.
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If the football board, featuring a former chairman of the FA and a club legend, think that Reilly is worth keeping then I'm going to trust their judgement that he wasn't as big a problem as has been assumed.
I agree. I don't really blame anyone for having personal cynicism or scepticism, but you have to think (and hope) that this board is looking at all things through a very different set and better standard of eyes.
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The Aston Villa clock, resurrection of.
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Not sure anyone would want to join us while Riley is still here. I think he has been a major contributor to our decline. If the new board think that the future includes Riley then they need to catch themselves on.
Yes, I'm sure that will be a big factor in any potential new managers thoughts. Good salary - check. Happy with what the board's plans are - check. Shit, the Chief Scout's Paddy Riley... can't take it then.
I think he, quite rightly, was suggesting some managers may not want players buying for them (if that indeed was happening)
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If the football board, featuring a former chairman of the FA and a club legend, think that Reilly is worth keeping then I'm going to trust their judgement that he wasn't as big a problem as has been assumed.
I agree. I don't really blame anyone for having personal cynicism or scepticism, but you have to think (and hope) that this board is looking at all things through a very different set and better standard of eyes.
Worth noting, though, that Sir Brian is not on the board, he's an advisor.
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Zero out of ten for poor English by me.
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Zero out of ten for poor English by me.
Or would that be 10/10? Damn, quoting myself too.
Forget about it.
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If the football board, featuring a former chairman of the FA and a club legend, think that Reilly is worth keeping then I'm going to trust their judgement that he wasn't as big a problem as has been assumed.
I agree. I don't really blame anyone for having personal cynicism or scepticism, but you have to think (and hope) that this board is looking at all things through a very different set and better standard of eyes.
Worth noting, though, that Sir Brian is not on the board, he's an advisor.
Isn't he though part of the "football board" as opposed to the actual board? That's what I meant in those looking at making football based appointments and decisions.
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I think Adele's next single is going to be called "Remi, When Will It Happen?"
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I think Adele's next single is going to be called "Remi, When Will It Happen?"
'Remi, when will it happen' is also a new the new game show moving into the 'take me out' slot on Saturday nights
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Someone needs to put him out of his misery.
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If the football board, featuring a former chairman of the FA and a club legend, think that Reilly is worth keeping then I'm going to trust their judgement that he wasn't as big a problem as has been assumed.
I agree. I don't really blame anyone for having personal cynicism or scepticism, but you have to think (and hope) that this board is looking at all things through a very different set and better standard of eyes.
Worth noting, though, that Sir Brian is not on the board, he's an advisor.
I think we can probably consider him as part of the board when it comes to reviewing staff though because that seems to be the main purpose of him being here.
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Anyone think he might be staying?
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Anyone think he might be staying?
I wouldn't be completely surprised, nor disappointed if the alternative is Pulis or Mr. Passive / Aggressive.
I still think him going is the right decision, if only because we probably can't turn enough of the squad over to give him the fresh start he probably needs to make a go of it.
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Anyone think he might be staying?
I'd like him to stay but only with a full commitment from those on high to allow him free rein. If he's going to go then the sooner the better, The players will be reading the same gossip as we have been and his authority will be diminished even more than it already is.
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Maybe behind the scenes he's been in discussions to remain manager until the end and Moyes is in discussions with a pre-contract agreement?
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Agree VID. Remi is a fencing master but we have only a couple of old rusty cutlasses, a claymore, a machete and a broken bread knife to offer him. Our squad is a pile of shit that is beyond management. When Remi goes it will conclude a chapter in the club's history of which it should be ashamed.
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Anyone think he might be staying?
Unfortunately yes. With a fortnight until next game for a new boss to get used to some of squad and surroundings since last defeat it would have been great timing and perfect opportunity that has now gone
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Anyone think he might be staying?
Can't see it, the club would have backed him by now surely amidst all the speculation. I don't expect to see him in the dugout against Chelsea.
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I haven't seen anything of Remi other than the home games against Citeh and Leicester to persuade me that he can cut it in this league or at this level. I do however believe that there's a good intelligent manager in there. For him to develop I think he needs to leave Aston Villa. We just aren't good for each other...
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It could be the conspiracy theorist in me but maybe the new board were trying to see if there is a mole who would leak the story to the press that Remi would be gone by Monday or I could be clutching at straws.
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Agree VID. Remi is a fencing master but we have only a couple of old rusty cutlasses, a claymore, a machete and a broken bread knife to offer him. Our squad is a pile of shit that is beyond management. When Remi goes it will conclude a chapter in the club's history of which it should be ashamed.
I had a cyclist mate whose hero, for rather sad personal reasons, was pre scandal Lance Armstrong. I remember thinking what a great ethos was behind the title of his book 'It's Not About The Bike'. That was until the first hill I went up after I swapped my shitty, heavy old bike from a bargain shop for a modestly decent, relatively lightweight one.
Obviously, what we didn't know was that the second part of the title, removed by the publishers was 'it's about the drugs'.
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when the Necromancer has done his due
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Agree VID. Remi is a fencing master but we have only a couple of old rusty cutlasses, a claymore, a machete and a broken bread knife to offer him. Our squad is a pile of shit that is beyond management. When Remi goes it will conclude a chapter in the club's history of which it should be ashamed.
I had a cyclist mate whose hero, for rather sad personal reasons, was pre scandal Lance Armstrong. I remember thinking what a great ethos was behind the title of his book 'It's Not About The Bike'. That was until the first hill I went up after I swapped my shitty, heavy old bike from a bargain shop for a modestly decent, relatively lightweight one.
Obviously, what we didn't know was that the second part of the title, removed by the publishers was 'it's about the drugs'.
Well one things for sure, none of our lot have been taking speed, but there's a fair few you'd suspect have been taking dope.
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If the bit about the January targets is true then the whole fucking place is a basket case. Apologies if covered elsewhere.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/26/aston-villa-ready-to-part-company-with-remi-garde/
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For what it's worth, a supposed ITK just called to tell me it will happen within the next 24 hours...
You need a better supposed ITK
To be fair if his ITK is Kiefer Sutherland he's got about 12 weeks.
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It is amazing really. Complete disconnect between manager and the rest of the club, the poor bugger has been well and truly hung out to dry. It appears he is the one who has told the board he wants out ASAP though, so it just seems like it is a matter of how much/ how his departure is structured.
I can't blame him for trying to get a decent deal, but there has to be a common sense line on both sides. We need to move on and get it sorted. I can see why Bernstein is so keen on getting this head of football operations role right when you read that article too. Dan Ashworth would be a hugely impressive coup to sort the club out behind the scenes if they can pull it off.
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If the bit about the January targets is true then the whole fucking place is a basket case. Apologies if covered elsewhere.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/26/aston-villa-ready-to-part-company-with-remi-garde/
Shocking if true
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I have a little more faith in this board to start getting things right. Remi out this week is ok by me. Gives us some time to sort out a manager and assess before the close season. Bernstein is correct though, we need to work to a timeline.
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I'm absolutely disgusted by this shambles - actually "shambles" doesn't do the whole thing justice. Every season ticket holder would be well within their rights to ask for their money back if that Telegraph article is true. I want Lerner to stop hiding and come out and apologise for the mess he has created and I want him to apologise, on behalf of the good name of Aston Villa, to Remi Garde.
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A marriage of omnishambles & a clusterfuck doesn't even come close. What a fucking mess. A head of scouting who lives on Bondi Beach FFS!!
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A marriage of omnishambles & a clusterfuck doesn't even come close. What a fucking mess. A head of scouting who lives on Bondi Beach FFS!!
Whose remit is Europe 🙈
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Article just sums up our season. Why Randy didn't act sooner if not only for his own sake
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A marriage of omnishambles & a clusterfuck doesn't even come close. What a fucking mess. A head of scouting who lives on Bondi Beach FFS!!
Whose remit is Europe 🙈
What's the problem? They have FIFA 16, Football Manager and YouTube in Australia don't they?
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A marriage of omnishambles & a clusterfuck doesn't even come close. What a fucking mess. A head of scouting who lives on Bondi Beach FFS!!
Whose remit is Europe 🙈
Totally insane. How do you not notice that this may affect his job? Or your Portugese/spanish scout has gone back to college? Fuck me if i known all you need to become a Villa scout was a SKY sports subscription i would have applied years ago
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Lerner is too much of a coward to apologise. He should reimburse all season ticket holders for this shockingly bad season at the very least.
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If that Telegraph article is true, it's a disgrace and more people behind the scenes should be handed their P45.
Lerner is a joke - enough said.
Reilly can do one.
Garde has been well and truly shafted - and I don't blame him one bit if he leaves, in asking for compensation. If it's fair to sack him 6 months into a 3 year deal, it's fair to pay the man off.
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I'm beginning to think Bernstein could potentially be the key figure in turning the club around. At least he knows what he's doing.
Pay Remi off, let him leave and then we can start blooding some youngsters for next season. I'm sure Sir Brian can oversea whoever takes the caretaker role until the end of the season. Hopefully not KMac. I'd like to see Sid do the job for 2 months. There's no pressure now, it's all about next season and meanwhile we can begin approaching some decent managers with a good contract offer. Go all out for Moyes or Rodgers.
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I'm absolutely disgusted by this shambles - actually "shambles" doesn't do the whole thing justice. Every season ticket holder would be well within their rights to ask for their money back if that Telegraph article is true. I want Lerner to stop hiding and come out and apologise for the mess he has created and I want him to apologise, on behalf of the good name of Aston Villa, to Remi Garde.
Agreed, Billy.
Mismanagement of the worst kind, with the blind leading the blind; laced with some BS from the various 'scouts' who were AWOL.
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I reckon by Wednesday this week this is all done and dusted. Maybe Tuesday. They will need to give the temporary replacements some time to prepare for the weekend unhindered by speculation.
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Sir Brian will be caretaker for the season.
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I hope not - I wouldn't want his reputation sullied by this shower of shite
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Love him to bits but Sid is not up to first team coaching as he is too soft. Not to Kmac either. Ask Brian and Eric Black to do it until we appoint someone.
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Love him to bits but Sid is not up to first team coaching as he is too soft. Not to Kmac either. Ask Brian and Eric Black to do it until we appoint someone.
I agree that they are not up to it, but I can't see Brian Little wanting to do it either
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Love him to bits but Sid is not up to first team coaching as he is too soft. Not to Kmac either. Ask Brian and Eric Black to do it until we appoint someone.
I agree that they are not up to it, but I can't see Brian Little wanting to do it either
My guess is it will be Eric Black. In reality they could pick the team using Rock, Paper, Scissors and it would make little difference.
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Sir Brian will be caretaker for the season.
His involvement with the club is as an advisor, it's not like he's around the club from day to day as a permanent employee and just needs to remember to pack his boots.
He's also already got a job.
Then there's the wider wisdom of sullying his name with this horrific juggernaut of grimness
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Love him to bits but Sid is not up to first team coaching as he is too soft. Not to Kmac either. Ask Brian and Eric Black to do it until we appoint someone.
I agree that they are not up to it, but I can't see Brian Little wanting to do it either
I think it shouldn't be seen as anything more than docking the boat really. We're gone now and we might as well see things through to the end without any pressure and perhaps bring the likes of Lyden, Green etc through and give them some important game time. Some of the more guilty shysters need axing.
To be fair too, though Sid is quite soft I don't think the last 7 games, whoever is in charge should come with much pressure. I think the vast majority of fans know full well this season is gone. We need to prepare for next season. Cowans knows the youth players. Little will step in if needs be because he's here to help.
Remi has totally lost the dressing room and alienated half his squad. It may well be that him leaving will see 3-4 of the players raise their game a little. They're a fucking disgrace that being said and I do feel for Remi but as things stand he's completely lost the players confidence. I think even a mannequin in the dugout would get slightly more from this lot.
Maybe, just maybe a few of the players who have so badly let us down will suddenly realise they're playing for their next move. As far as the kids go, they'd come in, knowing there's a great chance to impress and perhaps put themselves in the frame for the Championship next season.
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If that Telegraph article is true then it confirms what Garde has said in several interviews...that he knew what he was taking on as far as the team was concerned but has found other "problems" that were not as he was led to believe or that he expected...and the powers that be have truly shafted him.
What a shitty way for a shitty bunch of people to treat anyone, let alone someone they are entrusting the good name of Aston Villa with.
If the reputation of our club wasn't sullied before, it certainly is now.
What an absolute balls-up!
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If that Telegraph article is true then it confirms what Garde has said in several interviews...that he knew what he was taking on as far as the team was concerned but has found other "problems" that were not as he was led to believe or that he expected...and the powers that be have truly shafted him.
What a shitty way for a shitty bunch of people to treat anyone, let alone someone they are entrusting the good name of Aston Villa with.
If the reputation of our club wasn't sullied before, it certainly is now.
What an absolute balls-up!
Yep. Tearing it up and starting again in June is the only way now. Hollis and Bernstein must be appalled at the way this place has been run.
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I'm beginning to think Bernstein could potentially be the key figure in turning the club around. At least he knows what he's doing.
Pay Remi off, let him leave and then we can start blooding some youngsters for next season. I'm sure Sir Brian can oversea whoever takes the caretaker role until the end of the season. Hopefully not KMac. I'd like to see Sid do the job for 2 months. There's no pressure now, it's all about next season and meanwhile we can begin approaching some decent managers with a good contract offer. Go all out for Moyes or Rodgers.
He took over Man. City when they were in an even worse state than we were and he made some good managerial choices so yes he's the one appointment we've made I'm very pleased with, purely as I imagine he'll have more day to day say than SBL who'll be more part time.
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I'm beginning to think Bernstein could potentially be the key figure in turning the club around. At least he knows what he's doing.
Pay Remi off, let him leave and then we can start blooding some youngsters for next season. I'm sure Sir Brian can oversea whoever takes the caretaker role until the end of the season. Hopefully not KMac. I'd like to see Sid do the job for 2 months. There's no pressure now, it's all about next season and meanwhile we can begin approaching some decent managers with a good contract offer. Go all out for Moyes or Rodgers.
He took over Man. City when they were in an even worse state than we were and he made some good managerial choices so yes he's the one appointment we've made I'm very pleased with, purely as I imagine he'll have more day to day say than SBL who'll be more part time.
Just to have someone involved at board level with some proper football experience in a similar position and a track record is pleasing. Fox was way out of his depth.
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Every season ticket holder would be well within their rights to ask for their money back if that Telegraph article is true. I want Lerner to stop hiding and come out and apologise for the mess he has created and I want him to apologise, on behalf of the good name of Aston Villa, to Remi Garde.
I'm not holding my breath on any of that. I'm just open-mouthed at that article. Bundesliga scout living in Australia? January targets not even approached? If true, then Garde has been shafted more than any of us had ever imagined.
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If Lerner had tried to deliberately destroy the club I don't think he'd have managed it as well as this.
I wonder how SGT would compare the shambles he found in 1987 to what we've become.
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Disappointing to read about Simon Ward being distracted with study instead of scouting. He always comes across as professional on Heroes Discussion.
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If Lerner had tried to deliberately destroy the club I don't think he'd have managed it as well as this.
Indeed
This entire shambles reflects awfully on him and his 'stewardship'.
That he allowed this utter farce to develop is absolutely shameful - if he has any pride whatsoever he should be thoroughly embarrassed for the last few years and these latest revelations especially
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if this bit is true, things have gone beyond poor organisation and incompetence into the realms of lying and arse-covering
Garde’s relationship with Riley has completely broken down and the pair are barely on speaking terms. It is also alleged that Garde was told January targets did not want to move to Villa – only for Garde then to speak to the players directly and discover they had never been contacted.
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Blue in the face stating this now but until Lerner is gone this fuckfest will continue. There is no point saying be careful what you wish for since he has turned the club into an absolute shambles.
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if this bit is true, things have gone beyond poor organisation and incompetence into the realms of lying and arse-covering
Garde’s relationship with Riley has completely broken down and the pair are barely on speaking terms. It is also alleged that Garde was told January targets did not want to move to Villa – only for Garde then to speak to the players directly and discover they had never been contacted.
If true, how on McGraths earth is this idiot PR still at the club.
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The only constant with Lerner is negligence and sheer incompetence, so while it disgusts me, this news doesn't surprise me. I hope to McGrath the new board can sort it out, but I won't hold my breath. The club at every level has become a mirror image of its owner, detached from any reality or responsibility.
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What a fucking disgrace. ****** the lots of them. Well done to the new board identifying these serious issues so quickly.
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One question unanswered for me. If Garde spoke directly to those players, had they already moved elsewhere or did they still refuse to come to Villa. Garde himself said that players didn't want to join our club because of the desperate situation that we are in, so other than assist us with identifying what we already knew, that Reilly is useless, has this news article really moved us any further forward?
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Well it certainly addresses a culture of gross incompetence bordering on sabotage if nothing else.
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if this bit is true, things have gone beyond poor organisation and incompetence into the realms of lying and arse-covering
Garde’s relationship with Riley has completely broken down and the pair are barely on speaking terms. It is also alleged that Garde was told January targets did not want to move to Villa – only for Garde then to speak to the players directly and discover they had never been contacted.
If true, how on McGraths earth is this idiot PR still at the club.
How can you let it get to that Lerner? If true the bloke cannot be trusted to run a tap.
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One question unanswered for me. If Garde spoke directly to those players, had they already moved elsewhere or did they still refuse to come to Villa. Garde himself said that players didn't want to join our club because of the desperate situation that we are in, so other than assist us with identifying what we already knew, that Reilly is useless, has this news article really moved us any further forward?
Garde did say that he spoke to the striker who decided to choose Newcastle in the end.
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Has said striker played for Newcastle yet?
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Has said striker played for Newcastle yet?
It was Doumbia and he's played for Newcastle once since he's been there.
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Wake me up when there is actually some firm news ;)
I think we'll get Pearson in, and as long as its within the next couple of weeks then I guess I can see the logic to doing it now, otherwise we might as well have left Garde in charge till the end of the season.
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These stories make Lerner a colossal fool. All the money he has pumped into a system that wasn't just flawed but instead completely broken. We detach yourself and let this happen? Why not bring in men with oversight and knowledge 10 years ago?
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These stories make Lerner a colossal fool. All the money he has pumped into a system that wasn't just flawed but instead completely broken. We detach yourself and let this happen? Why not bring in men with oversight and knowledge 10 years ago?
Because it appeared too easy and he got high on whatever untruths MON was serving him. I read these articles and it reminds me of that scene in the movie Hannibal, where Dr Lecter is having dinner with Paul Krendler (Ray Liota). Krendler appears to be enjoying himself unbeknowns to him that he is being fed pieces of his own brain.
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These stories make Lerner a colossal fool. All the money he has pumped into a system that wasn't just flawed but instead completely broken. We detach yourself and let this happen? Why not bring in men with oversight and knowledge 10 years ago?
Because it appeared too easy and he got high on whatever untruths MON was serving him. I read these articles and it reminds me of that scene in the movie Hannibal, where Dr Lecter is having dinner with Paul Krendler (Ray Liota). Krendler appears to be enjoying himself unbeknowns to him that he is being fed pieces of his own brain.
The shocking thing here is the similarities between his ownership of the Browns, and of Villa. You really think he would have learnt the first time, but seems he proceeded to make all the same mistakes twice over. Crazy, but he's still wealthier than most (thanks to his father)
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These stories make Lerner a colossal fool. All the money he has pumped into a system that wasn't just flawed but instead completely broken. We detach yourself and let this happen? Why not bring in men with oversight and knowledge 10 years ago?
Because it appeared too easy and he got high on whatever untruths MON was serving him. I read these articles and it reminds me of that scene in the movie Hannibal, where Dr Lecter is having dinner with Paul Krendler (Ray Liota). Krendler appears to be enjoying himself unbeknowns to him that he is being fed pieces of his own brain.
Spoiler alert. :)
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Bloody Nora. Just back after a few days holiday to see this latest twist in the sorry saga.
What on earth has been going on behind the scenes at this club since 2010? If this turns out to be true then I'm amazed they've managed to keep this under cover.
Makes you wonder what else they've been covering up in the last 6 years. Was this happening to Lambert? McLeish?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3512894/Remi-Garde-stand-Aston-Villa-stay-charge-visit-Chelsea.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Looks like he might still be here for the Chelsea game. Oh and the squad atmosphere is 'seriously unhappy.' Is that because the trip to Dubai has ended?!
What a farce
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Farce?
Surely it seems like we're actually trying to get the best outcome? Our season is fucked anyway so might as well get the best deal while looking for replacements in the background.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3512894/Remi-Garde-stand-Aston-Villa-stay-charge-visit-Chelsea.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Looks like he might still be here for the Chelsea game. Oh and the squad atmosphere is 'seriously unhappy.' Is that because the trip to Dubai has ended?!
What a farce
an article that could be entirely speculation as to what the issue might be. In fact we don't even know for certain that the board want him gone. And if indeed it is over compensation then I don't blame Garde one bit in wanting a full payout. It's not a farce though really, it's just that it is being guessed at in public.
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I suppose I mean this season in the generality is a farce.
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Article just sums up our season. Why Randy didn't act sooner if not only for his own sake
Sums up the last five years. When O'Neill walked he took every bit of football knowledge at the club with him.
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Mr. Lerner allowing MON to be the only bit of football knowledge at the club, again shows a lack Management ability by our grand owner.
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Entirely correct Kuwait. We really were Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa, right up to and including the payout he flounced out with.
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Looks very much as if Remi is sticking to his guns regarding his pay off.He feels he has had no backing whatsoever and wants to leave with his head held high.I think Mr Lerner should pay him a decent amount of compensation and then move on quickly.
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No sure how true it is, but I've just read a report saying he's taking training today. I didn't know they actually did any training.
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These stories make Lerner a colossal fool. All the money he has pumped into a system that wasn't just flawed but instead completely broken. We detach yourself and let this happen? Why not bring in men with oversight and knowledge 10 years ago?
I guess it's like running a pup. Everybody thinks they can do it until they try.
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Yes you've got to be barking to do it
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They underestimated Garde, certainly proved to be no poodle.
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Had he got the right pedigree
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Had he got the right pedigree
Sadly he hasn't managed to winalot.
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you're like a dog with a bone
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Had he got the right pedigree
Sadly he hasn't managed to winalot.
what a load of tripe
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Looks like he'll be hounded out of the club, which could make him melancollie
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Apparently Garde went out of his way to avoid Elaine Rose, in case he up-setter.
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Gardes problems started when he was unable to bring in his pedigree chums
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One of his biggest mistakes is constantly starting the pointer
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Garde has certainly endured a ruff start to his managerial career in England. He needs to call it quits before he finds the fans hounding him out.
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Garde just doesn't sit right with me anymore, go fetch the revolver.
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We might need a new Garde dog
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No point getting hot under the collar or bitching about things - we'll soon have a new leash of life
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Garde needs to Russell up some reinforcements quickly, otherwise we'll achieve Jack.
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Starting Westie every week doesn't help. Needs a couple of greyhounds up front to inject some pace into the pack.
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I don't know about anything else, but this has been a right dog's dinner of a season.
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Remi must be feeling wuff
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Surely there could be a role in the management team for Martin Laursen - let's bring the Great Dane back.
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I hope we hit some good form because so far its been shit zu
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Well the lawyers have been there all day according to the mail and still we haven't sorted his pay-off out. Probably waiting till its in his bank account first
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His has gone...
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5455200,00.html
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He's Gone
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His has gone...
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5455200,00.html
Well spotted, sir.
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Sacked
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Still slightly surprised by it all.
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Mutual consent = sacked with dignity
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Good luck for the future Remi. You came to us 6 months too early unfortunately.
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Good.
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I'm sad it's come to this, but it's probably best for both parties. Remi was shafted by the board in Jan and I think he lost his engagement there. Good luck to him in the future and hopefully onto better things for us now.
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At last. No more cheap fixes. Go and get Moyes.
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Well, it's happened.
It's probably for the best but there is no pleasure in his leaving.
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He's gone
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By mutual consent (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5455200,00.html)
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Just been announced
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Cya Remi. You were dealt a shit hand but you were a bit crap as well. Still, all the best, wish you no ill will.
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Do we need a 3rd Garde thread? ;)
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David Moyes please
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What a waste. He was never given a chance. I have no idea if we had a decent manager as he was dealt a bad hand, he had to play it blind and there was no chips to play with.
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He won't be missed. He wasn't dealt a great hand but he lost me after the Liverpool debacle. At the time we still had a chance but he threw in the towel just like the players which was a disgrace. He didn't really try to keep us up after that.
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I believe he will be a very good manager and I respect his honesty and decency. The right man at the wrong time.
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The right man at absolutely the wrong time who was put in an impossible position.
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No! We need a fourth. Sorry mate. Pit bissed.
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We want 5, we want 5!
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Well, I hope Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Guzan, Bacuna and co are really pleased with themselves.
Absolute fucking leeches the lot of em.
Especially the first two. I hope they get pelters against Chelsea.
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A nice man but a shite manager
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Dealt the worst hand a Villa manager has ever been given. Wankers like Gabby and Micah should be hanging in shame. He seems a good man and hope he goes on to do well in the future.
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I'm sad it's come to this, but it's probably best for both parties. Remi was shafted by the board in Jan and I think he lost his engagement there. Good luck to him in the future and hopefully onto better things for us now.
Pretty much my thoughts, probably the Villa manager most difficult to evaluate in all my time supporting the club. Yes his record was poor but he didn't have a single tool to work with.
He'll get a decent club in France, I wouldn't worry about his future prospects.
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At last. No more cheap fixes. Go and get Moyes.
This
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Does anybody know exactly who decided on appointing him, I feel sorry for the fella.
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Well, I hope Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Guzan, Bacuna and co are really pleased with themselves.
Absolute fucking leeches the lot of em.
Especially the first two. I hope they get pelters against Chelsea.
They won't care, but I can't stand the parasitic bastards.
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I'm sad it's come to this, but it's probably best for both parties. Remi was shafted by the board in Jan and I think he lost his engagement there. Good luck to him in the future and hopefully onto better things for us now.
Pretty much my thoughts, probably the Villa manager most difficult to evaluate in all my time supporting the club. Yes his record was poor but he didn't have a single tool to work with.
He'll get a decent club in France, I wouldn't worry about his future prospects.
I thought the problem was too many tools.
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Does anybody know exactly who decided on appointing him, I feel sorry for the fella.
I'm sure his pay-off will soften the blow.
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Shafted.
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Does anybody know exactly who decided on appointing him, I feel sorry for the fella.
Not too sorry eh? He's leaving with a massive bung. Bring on Moyes. Get it done please new board.
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Yay! Best news for a long time. Sorry for him, but out of his depth
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I imagine we'll see him coaching a Champion's League team before whoever is his replacement in the Villa job.
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I wonder if any other manager has ever been paid more per win than it will work out with Garde? When you factor in his probable pay-out it's going to be about a million a win?
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Can they now sack Richards, Gabby and Zog?
Good luck in the future Remi.
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Fuck shafted. Terrible manager, crap appointment. Weak manager. We need to get the next one right, please!!
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Wish him all the best. Dignified even with all the shit he had to deal with, most of which I don't think we'll ever know about. I've no idea if we'de have been any better if he'd have got his own players in. He was another in a long line of strange appointments by Fox. Botom line though his win rate regardless of circumstances wasn't good enough.
We go again. Who's next? Who knows.
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I wonder if any other manager has ever been paid more per win than it will work out with Garde? When you factor in his probable pay-out it's going to be about a million a win?
Shocking appointment in the first place. Weak manager, although a nice fella. Never has the next decision been so important, it feels.
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In the history of football, if ever a manager was shafted all ways, repeatedly, and left in a heap, it was Remi Garde.
I wish him well and hope we don't shaft the next bloke, because by shafting him we'll be shafting ourselves. Again.
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I wonder if any other manager has ever been paid more per win than it will work out with Garde? When you factor in his probable pay-out it's going to be about a million a win?
Shocking appointment in the first place. Weak manager, although a nice fella. Never has the next decision been so important, it feels.
Well, probably since the last two.
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Shame, I really enjoyed those 3 wins in 23 matches.
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A decent enough bloke and under different circumstances it may well have been a clever appointment. It's probably for the best all round though.
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In a years time we will have forgotten he was ever here
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So we need another manager to treat just like we treated Remi Garde. Yes, right. Good on us.
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Yay! Best news for a long time. Sorry for him, but out of his depth
Yes, being landed with a bunch of talentless, idle, shit-stirring wasters and then being lied to about being able to replace some of them after challenging their attitudes, thereby being forced to play aforementioned wasters anyway, does tend to push people out of their depth.
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Shame, but he should never of been appointed
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I'm not sure how I feel.
Disappointed it didn't work out, relieved as it seems like he had lost his mojo and the team were regressing, optimistic that we will get a manager to bring us back to former glories.
Definitely not a time for celebrating.
At least it feels like we have a proper board in place now. The next manager will be the most important decision this club has made since SGT.
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I wonder if any other manager has ever been paid more per win than it will work out with Garde? When you factor in his probable pay-out it's going to be about a million a win?
Shocking appointment in the first place. Weak manager, although a nice fella. Never has the next decision been so important, it feels.
agree
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Wrong manager from day one.
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In the history of football, if ever a manager was shafted all ways, repeatedly, and left in a heap, it was Remi Garde.
I wish him well and hope we don't shaft the next bloke, because by shafting him we'll be shafting ourselves. Again.
I am just trying to work out the physics of this.
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A scramble for the play offs beckons.
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Time to drop the first team. They all created this mess. Drop the fucking lot of em and put 11 kids in.
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A scramble for the play offs beckons.
Because Garde has Left?
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Time to drop the first team. They all created this mess. Drop the fucking lot of em and put 11 kids in.
sounds good to me
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Time to drop the first team. They all created this mess. Drop the fucking lot of em and put 11 kids in.
Amen to that
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Yes, because Garde has left. The holy grail now becomes to be as good as West Bromwich Albion.
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He'll be completely forgotten about by everyone except us by next week.
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Yes, because Garde has left. The holy grail now becomes to be as good as West Bromwich Albion.
The Holy Grail now is to get straight back up.
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Enter stage leftt man with big hammer and a can of Easy Start.
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Pretty clear he was bullshitted and lied to from the moment he arrived. I wish him well for the future. He deserved much better than this selfish bunch of spineless players.
Still, LTA will be doing handstands.
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Why am I thinking 'careful what you wish for' when I keep reading how bad Garde was...
I hope I'm wrong.
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Brian, there has rarely been a worse for for s football club in our situation than Remi Garde. Just my opinion of course. But backed up with a shocking record, despite the shitty squad.
He may well go on to better days, but never in a million years at the helm of a massive club in the absolute shittest moment in its recent history.
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Typo tastic, but you catch my drift.
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On Facebook Kevin Grealish (Jack's dad) posted a photo of himself smirking and waving with the Eiffel Tower in the background. Wonder how long he's been hoping to post that? I notice he then deleted it pretty quickly.
All the best Remi, wish we could sack footballers as easily.
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I had a little sympathy for Remi but it ran out after all that talking in the press. I know the players are c**ts. We all know that. We can see it. We know they're a mixture of shit, or lazy, or both. He doesn't need to come out in the press saying it and alienating the squad further. He's been so half hearted since the transfer window shut. Ultimately a manager, no matter circumstances, is judge on results and he comes out as one of the worst in our history. Plus continually playing persistent underachievers he'd openly questionned, was a huge, huge error. I'm surprised he didn't go the whole hog and bring Zogbia back into the fold.
Even under better circumstances he'd have been out of his depth.
I really hope Black starts building for next season.
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Garde wasn't very good. We all felt sorry for him but in the end he was a piss poor motivator who could even get his team to defend properly. May have had the right accent and looked the part but all the well spoken press conferences and interviews got us exactly nothing.
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How can anyone make a judgment about Remi's ability given the shit that was swirling around him from the moment he turned up? Has a premier league manager ever worked in such shambolic circumstances, with what is now emerging about incompetence and dishonesty among senior executives plus the shocking standard and attitude of the squad.
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We have no idea if he was any good or not. We'll never know.
I understand why he had to go. Fresh start, new board, new football hierarchy, new players.
Going to be an interesting summer at least.
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I think a caretaker manager until the end of the season would be the answer. Someone like Putin to sort the squad out ready for the next manager would be good.
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Another load of bollocks.
I suppose we have Bernstein who hired Joe Royle and Kevin Keegan in previous incarnations so we can look forward to another Proper Football Manager
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Inevitable. Stitched up by the board. We're fucked anyway, so makes no difference.
Whoever the next manager is, I would put big money on them winning less in their career than Garde will.
But that's the way it is.
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Garde was absolutely shafted in January, but personally I don't think he was doing a very good job anyway. There was something about how it started which showed it wasn't going to work - none of the players seemed to get a boost or a sense of purpose from his appointment, and I think even taking into account the massive drag factor of a shit squad, there was no feeling of working out our many problems behind closed doors; if anything, rumours, innuendo and gossip seemed to blossom after he arrived. I don't think Garde ever had authority at the club and after waiting all that time for his first win, it was obvious the players thought he was crap. By the end, after he was so critical of the transfer window (with good cause), boneheads like Agbonlahor and Richards probably saw him as a lame duck and pulled the dressing room tighter around them accordingly.
Garde was a decent idea, but he had half of the season and achieved nothing. No hard feelings, but at the end of the day we're going down and he'll lick his wounds and find himself in a more comfortable place. He'll never work at a place more incompetent from top to bottom.
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So we need another manager to treat just like we treated Remi Garde. Yes, right. Good on us.
Behave.
The history book will show that Garde was the Manager that relegated Villa.
His " New Arsene Wenger " tenure was a disaster.
He was hopeless.
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As Dave Woodhall once said to me when we chatted amicably about Paul Lambert, "we shall see". I use the same expression at the prospect of some head banger turning our shit, and shit brained squad around.
I shall still be here next Christmas to comfort those in orgasm about Garde's departure and we are only mid table and Gabby is still on the team sheet.
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That first bit, though, is more about the players all being ******.
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Poor appointment in the first place, and not backed by the board in January. No wonder he always looked pissed off being at the club.
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So we need another manager to treat just like we treated Remi Garde. Yes, right. Good on us.
Behave.
The history book will show that Garde was the Manager that relegated Villa.
His " New Arsene Wenger " tenure was a disaster.
He was hopeless.
Without wanting to sound too much like S_H, I think Lerner's name is going to loom larger than any manager's.
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Garde was absolutely shafted in January, but personally I don't think he was doing a very good job anyway. There was something about how it started which showed it wasn't going to work - none of the players seemed to get a boost or a sense of purpose from his appointment, and I think even taking into account the massive drag factor of a shit squad, there was no feeling of working out our many problems behind closed doors; if anything, rumours, innuendo and gossip seemed to blossom after he arrived. I don't think Garde ever had authority at the club and after waiting all that time for his first win, it was obvious the players thought he was crap. By the end, after he was so critical of the transfer window (with good cause), boneheads like Agbonlahor and Richards probably saw him as a lame duck and pulled the dressing room tighter around them accordingly.
Garde was a decent idea, but he had half of the season and achieved nothing. No hard feelings, but at the end of the day we're going down and he'll lick his wounds and find himself in a more comfortable place. He'll never work at a place more incompetent from top to bottom.
I think you've hit the nail on the head all round there. This pretty much is exactly what I feel too.
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An unedifying episode all round. He had to go because his position had become untenable. Shame on us.
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Tell you what though, if we get a new manager who puts a rocket up these players, turns them into a good championship side, and we come straight back, there still won't be many I'll feel like cheering.
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An unedifying episode all round. He had to go because his position had become untenable. Shame on us.
Sums up the situation perfectly.
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In the history of football, if ever a manager was shafted all ways, repeatedly, and left in a heap, it was Remi Garde.
I wish him well and hope we don't shaft the next bloke, because by shafting him we'll be shafting ourselves. Again.
Agree
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So we need another manager to treat just like we treated Remi Garde. Yes, right. Good on us.
Behave.
The history book will show that Garde was the Manager that relegated Villa.
It won't, any more than it will show Sherwood was the Manager that relegated Villa.
Because we aren't relegated (mathematically) and he is no longer at the club.
Eric Black will have that honour.
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This season's Alain Perrin.
Yeah he wasn't helped by the Lerner/The Board and the general shambles that is Aston Villa nowadays; but he showed absolutely nothing to suggest he could inspire a turnaround.
I feel absolutely nothing about him. He was just...there.
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I don't think he would have turned things around next year. I sense he will do ok somewhere but suspect Lambert and Sherwood won't.
Hope it's Moyes next, it just feels right.
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I wonder if we have anyone lined up...
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Well i couldn't see us mounting a challenge next season with Garde still here and the players. Doesn't mean Villa will appoint the right man of course but at least there's a chance they will get something right for once. . Never got the deep thinking genius bit that made some overlook the performances. Mind you, it probably takes genius to make a Sherwood side play worse.
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Tell you what though, if we get a new manager who puts a rocket up these players, turns them into a good championship side, and we come straight back, there still won't be many I'll feel like cheering.
I bet you will. Football's a very fickle game.
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I think a caretaker manager until the end of the season would be the answer. Someone like Putin to sort the squad out ready for the next manager would be good.
:o
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I wonder if we have anyone lined up...
In the previous Lerner years I would 100% laugh at this and say of course not. For the first time, with our new 'football' people on the board then I would say 100% yes. Naive maybe but I'm more hopefully on proper football decisions for the first time in the last decade
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Tell you what though, if we get a new manager who puts a rocket up these players, turns them into a good championship side, and we come straight back, there still won't be many I'll feel like cheering.
I bet you will. Football's a very fickle game.
They'll still be a bunch of feckless ******. Just that they'll be our slightly less shit than 2015/16 vintage feckless ******.
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So we need another manager to treat just like we treated Remi Garde. Yes, right. Good on us.
Behave.
The history book will show that Garde was the Manager that relegated Villa.
His " New Arsene Wenger " tenure was a disaster.
He was hopeless.
Without wanting to sound too much like S_H, I think Lerner's name is going to loom larger than any manager's.
Fair enough.
Garde, the Manager that relegated Villa.
Lerner, the Fool On The Hill.
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Shame but I agree with the consensus. He was screwed in January but still should have done better results wise.
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Say Richards captains our team to an unbeaten season and BFG bags 30 goals. I'll still remember their weapons grade cuntishness from this season.
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Probably for the best, after this total shambles of a season it is difficult to argue for keeping him.
As ever, it is only half the job and what happens from here is how the decision will be judged.
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In the midst of all this however, Paddy Reilly is still on the club's payroll.
Surely he must be close to being told to clear his desk?
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So we need another manager to treat just like we treated Remi Garde. Yes, right. Good on us.
Behave.
The history book will show that Garde was the Manager that relegated Villa.
His " New Arsene Wenger " tenure was a disaster.
He was hopeless.
Without wanting to sound too much like S_H, I think Lerner's name is going to loom larger than any manager's.
Fair enough.
Garde, the Manager that relegated Villa.
Lerner, the Fool On The Hill.
Gabby, I am the walrus.
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Garde was absolutely shafted in January, but personally I don't think he was doing a very good job anyway. There was something about how it started which showed it wasn't going to work - none of the players seemed to get a boost or a sense of purpose from his appointment, and I think even taking into account the massive drag factor of a shit squad, there was no feeling of working out our many problems behind closed doors; if anything, rumours, innuendo and gossip seemed to blossom after he arrived. I don't think Garde ever had authority at the club and after waiting all that time for his first win, it was obvious the players thought he was crap. By the end, after he was so critical of the transfer window (with good cause), boneheads like Agbonlahor and Richards probably saw him as a lame duck and pulled the dressing room tighter around them accordingly.
Garde was a decent idea, but he had half of the season and achieved nothing. No hard feelings, but at the end of the day we're going down and he'll lick his wounds and find himself in a more comfortable place. He'll never work at a place more incompetent from top to bottom.
I think you've hit the nail on the head all round there. This pretty much is exactly what I feel too.
I can't escape the feeling that too many of them weren't looking for a boost. By the time Sherwood had f¤¤ked things up to the extent that he had, the rot had set in and they were just looking for the path of least resistance to get to 5pm on May 15th.
For anyone jumping up and down saying weak / should have motivated etc, have you ever had to get someone who genuinely doesn't give a f¤¤k to do something. If you have I'll hazard a guess you'll always have had the benefits of disciplinary procedures to lean on if necessary.
Imagine trying it with a group of people who apparently resent your mere presence and you've effectively got no sanction.
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He arrived in a shitstorm, the team was in free-fall, he was lied to by the board, who threw in the towel in January, and the shit, lazy, arrogant players didn't have the pluck to knuckle down, work with him, and fight for the club. Yet somehow he should have done better? Good luck to the next bloke.
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Typo tastic, but you catch my drift.
Ya can modify your posts. I should know; )
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On Facebook Kevin Grealish (Jack's dad) posted a photo of himself smirking and waving with the Eiffel Tower in the background. Wonder how long he's been hoping to post that? I notice he then deleted it pretty quickly.
All the best Remi, wish we could sack footballers as easily.
Indeed and it sums up the attitude problem of players. This thread is already showing some people excusing the players with stuff like, 'it's a shit squad but...'. There is no 'but' the players are responsible for Garde's failure. The fact that they could possibly be absolved of blame again absolutely sickens me. They need to be held to account.
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On Facebook Kevin Grealish (Jack's dad) posted a photo of himself smirking and waving with the Eiffel Tower in the background. Wonder how long he's been hoping to post that? I notice he then deleted it pretty quickly.
If he spent as much time telling Jack to concentrate on his footie because he hasn't made it yet instead of drinking, maybe he would have more memorable Villa shirts then a FA cup semi final one to wear.
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I wonder if we have anyone lined up...
In the previous Lerner years I would 100% laugh at this and say of course not. For the first time, with our new 'football' people on the board then I would say 100% yes. Naive maybe but I'm more hopefully on proper football decisions for the first time in the last decade
I can't see any manager worth their salt coming in before May 16th. Why would you want to be remotely associated with this car crash?
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So we need another manager to treat just like we treated Remi Garde. Yes, right. Good on us.
Behave.
The history book will show that Garde was the Manager that relegated Villa.
It won't, any more than it will show Sherwood was the Manager that relegated Villa.
Because we aren't relegated (mathematically) and he is no longer at the club.
Eric Black will have that honour.
Utter rubbish.
Sherwood managed how many games ?
Garde managed how many games ?
Black will manage how many games ?
We are not relegated ? Yeah ok.
Have a bet with me ?
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Remi Garde told the board that he can work with these players, that he can keep Villa up. For goodness sake, let's call this as it is and be honest. It was a highly risky appointment in the first place and it did not work. The players treat him like shit because he's weak. We did try to sign players but they didn't want to come, Garde said so himself. Nice guy, weak manager. Yes, some of the cretins need shifting but Remi shouldn't have been appointed.
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Remi Garde told the board that he can work with these players, that he can keep Villa up. For goodness sake, let's call this as it is and be honest. It was a highly risky appointment in the first place and it did not work. The players treat him like shit because he's weak. We did try to sign players but they didn't want to come, Garde said so himself. Nice guy, weak manager. Yes, some of the cretins need shifting but Remi shouldn't have been appointed.
Well, did we try to sign the players though or was he lied to by his staff?
Either way, you are confusing 'weak' with 'not a braying wanker'. Let's get unreconstituted 'strong' man Pearson in, sharpish.
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I've just heard about RG's inevitable exit.
Who's gonna save us now? Barry or Paul (Chuckle)??
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With so little time left between now and the end of the season I'd have stuck Little in charge for the last nine games, unless a full-time replacement was lined up. We couldn't really do any worse, and would at least be a steady pair of hands until the new guy takes over. By the noises coming out of the club I am a little concerned that they don't have a guy lined up, and are just reacting to the negativity around Garde, and a desparation to get a few results before May 16th. If something isn't sorted the next couple of weeks then what's the point?
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I love AVFC but we have become a pisspot of a club,,,,there, ive said it, fukem
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Grealish has just tweeted that he's "happy to be back in training"!!!
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I wonder if we have anyone lined up...
In the previous Lerner years I would 100% laugh at this and say of course not. For the first time, with our new 'football' people on the board then I would say 100% yes. Naive maybe but I'm more hopefully on proper football decisions for the first time in the last decade
I can't see any manager worth their salt coming in before May 16th. Why would you want to be remotely associated with this car crash?
This is the first test of whether having 'names' on the board is actually any good for anything. If we get recruitment wrong again, and end up with another questionable manager plus the same shit squad/no budget policy we can have the best executive team in world football and still nose dive through the divisions.
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This season's Alain Perrin.
Yeah he wasn't helped by the Lerner/The Board and the general shambles that is Aston Villa nowadays; but he showed absolutely nothing to suggest he could inspire a turnaround.
I feel absolutely nothing about him. He was just...there.
I'm not going to give an argument, it's just a difference of opinion. But I feel quite down about it.
I may be sentimental but he's been shafted by all. Macdonald on his first night, the players and Randy for not sticking by him.
It may not be a normal business but by god some of those players should (with any justice) be on disciplinary charges.
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I wonder if we have anyone lined up...
In the previous Lerner years I would 100% laugh at this and say of course not. For the first time, with our new 'football' people on the board then I would say 100% yes. Naive maybe but I'm more hopefully on proper football decisions for the first time in the last decade
I can't see any manager worth their salt coming in before May 16th. Why would you want to be remotely associated with this car crash?
Indeed, ViD. It's like an ongoing multiple pile-up. Great work Randy: you da man.
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At the top of the pyramid of inadequacy sat Randy Lerner who presided over a Chief Exec and a Director of Football, Head of Recruitment etc all of whom helped to contribute to the collective planning inadequacy at the club. A series of Managerial muddlers have been appointed who no doubt got ground down by all around them including a group of players who have most certainly lived up to the title of being "inadequate for the Premiership." What chance did Remi Garde have? He certainly appeared to struggle to motivate the players and the on field errors simply carried on at the same shambolic rate as they did under Tim Sherwood. One could say things went from Brad to worse.
We have been a Football Club who have been so poorly organised for so long that Remi Garde was just another person who was in totally the wrong place and had little hope given the dullards who surrounded him. Garde appeared to be off the pace from the beginning and probably the performances at Norwich and Sunderland (the usual defensive clangers) convinced the decision makers at the Club that there was not the quality to turn things round.
Things at the club have started to improve with some of the recent appointments off the field; as for the players; quite simply they do not deserve to wear a football shirt that carries the Aston Villa badge; very sadly we will be stuck with some of these individuals for some time.
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Nothing positive has come out of his appointment had to go and IMO no way was right man to get us back up.
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Grealish has just tweeted that he's "happy to be back in training"!!!
Distasteful. Just zip it and get your head down.
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So happy to be back in training 😄😄 #AVFC ❤️💙 https://t.co/4SeRogVnyM
Perhaps not the best timed tweet ever.
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Where's Sheffield Villain gone ?
I wanted to put a bet on with him.
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So happy to be back in training 😄😄 #AVFC ❤️💙 https://t.co/4SeRogVnyM
Perhaps not the best timed tweet ever.
Maybe he just got out the pub and didn't hear the news... Still he might make the bench now at least?
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"The latest desperate episode in a story of chaos and crisis that will soon end in relegation".
I'm not one for giving too much of a damn about what journalists write, but this quote could not have been more apt.
Remi was mugged, no more and no less. What a complete and utter fucking shambles this once storied club has become. And so we roll the dice again (for the umpteenth time in 5 years) hoping to land on a winner next time. Fools.
We look exactly what we are tonight - foolish. The decline continues......
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Really poor thing to tweet the knobhead. Will be playing non-league football in 5 years time. Hopefully not with us.
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So long Garde but you never really stood a chance!
Shafted by Fox and co. from day 1! Shafted by the so-called players!
The new board still need to get rid of Reilly and a great number of the current playing staff who
have been shafting the fans all season. Their part in shaming the club must not be forgotten in all this!!!
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So happy to be back in training 😄😄 #AVFC ❤️💙 https://t.co/4SeRogVnyM
Perhaps not the best timed tweet ever.
He also liked the tweet from the club confirming Garde had gone only to remove it later
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What chance did RG really have. An inexperienced foreign manager coming to the Prem; he inherits a poor lack luster team low on confidence, is given no money to spend for transfers, and surprise surprise ends up getting the push a few months later with the team bottom of he league. You couldn't make it up.
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This is probably the daddy of all mutual consents.
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Never the best time during the season. Lets hope they have someone lined up. The next appointment could be as important as when Vic Crowe became the Villa manager.
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Grealish has just tweeted that he's "happy to be back in training"!!!
Precious little twat.
Grealish that is, Yeltzer - not you ;D
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Grealish has just tweeted that he's "happy to be back in training"!!!
Precious little twat.
Grealish that is, Yeltzer - not you ;D
Seconded. And over rated too. An epitome if ever there were one of the reason we are in such a dire state
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Yep, didn't stand a chance, however I'm sure tim would have had more points from same games. All the board stuff is very positive and exciting along with new mgr now, but 4 years too late
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At the top of the pyramid of inadequacy sat Randy Lerner who presided over a Chief Exec and a Director of Football, Head of Recruitment etc all of whom helped to contribute to the collective planning inadequacy at the club. A series of Managerial muddlers have been appointed who no doubt got ground down by all around them including a group of players who have most certainly lived up to the title of being "inadequate for the Premiership." What chance did Remi Garde have? He certainly appeared to struggle to motivate the players and the on field errors simply carried on at the same shambolic rate as they did under Tim Sherwood. One could say things went from Brad to worse.
We have been a Football Club who have been so poorly organised for so long that Remi Garde was just another person who was in totally the wrong place and had little hope given the dullards who surrounded him. Garde appeared to be off the pace from the beginning and probably the performances at Norwich and Sunderland (the usual defensive clangers) convinced the decision makers at the Club that there was not the quality to turn things round.
Things at the club have started to improve with some of the recent appointments off the field; as for the players; quite simply they do not deserve to wear a football shirt that carries the Aston Villa badge; very sadly we will be stuck with some of these individuals for some time.
Agree with all of that
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Had a tip off a week a go that Pearson has already signed but won't take over until relegation is mathematically confirmed.
Eric Black until then then
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Had a tip off a week a go that Pearson has already signed but won't take over until relegation is mathematically confirmed.
I sincerely hope that isn't the case but I've felt for a while that he'll end up managing us. Bloody hell, what a depressing thought.
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Yes, I think that'll happen too, unfortunately. It's like hoping Santa's left you a Super Nintendo under the tree and unwrapping a Master System.
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It's not very likely that you'll sack a manager, wait a few weeks, then appoint another one three or four games before the season ends.
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I think the Liverpool game was the point of no return for Garde. From then on, he has been a dead man walking. His record is horrendous, but I think it is not entirely a fair reflection on his abilities given the conditions he had to work under. Another time and situation, who knows, but I wish him well.
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Four managers in 13 months. How unlucky are we ?
</sarc>
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Why sack him now and not after the ends of the season if there is no immediate replacement, and, if he is to go now, why wait a week and a half of a two week window to announce it?
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Because I think he had made it clear he wanted out as well as us wanting him out.
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I think he's been shafted and would expect to see him back at a properly run e glish club in the future and do really well
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I think he's been shafted and would expect to see him back at a properly run e glish club in the future and do really well
He'll have to rebuild a reputation in a lesser league before another English team would touch him. People who've been paying attention closely to Villa have varying degrees of sympathy but to the wider football world he'll just be viewed as a massive failure.
His reputation is so damaged right now I doubt even Randy would appoint him.
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Why sack him now and not after the ends of the season if there is no immediate replacement, and, if he is to go now, why wait a week and a half of a two week window to announce it?
Probably because he didn't want to be here any longer and we didn't want him any longer. Working out payoff would be my guess.
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Hey you I just said that :-)
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Apologies if already posted but while I find Pat Murphy's tone a bit snarky at times, it's hard to disagree with much of the BBC piece: http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/35355333
More importantly you wouldn't disagree with a word of SGT's quotes within the piece.
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I feel for Garde, a toxic atmosphere that he couldn't change unless he bought in new players - and that was scuppered from quite possibly within the club depending on what reports you believe.
Now for the clear out of at least 4-5 players that should be utterly ashamed of themselves tonight but almost certainly won't.
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OK, he was definitely snarky on 5Live - http://bbc.in/25v7nRN
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I feel for Garde, a toxic atmosphere that he couldn't change unless he bought in new players - and that was scuppered from quite possibly within the club depending on what reports you believe.
Now for the clear out of at least 4-5 players that should be utterly ashamed of themselves tonight but almost certainly won't.
You've missed a '1' in front of your '4-5' there Oz...
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In the history of football, if ever a manager was shafted all ways, repeatedly, and left in a heap, it was Remi Garde.
I wish him well and hope we don't shaft the next bloke, because by shafting him we'll be shafting ourselves. Again.
Seconded.
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Grealish has just tweeted that he's "happy to be back in training"!!!
Distasteful. Just zip it and get your head down.
I agree. What a tosser Grealish is. These players are the worst players I've ever known to be associated with our club. They won't be receiving any of my support from now on. Sad days, but regarding Remi, necessary I feel.
Good luck to him.
As for the ****** brigade, you can be added too, Jack you fucking ballsack. His dad is a bellend, too.
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Good Luck Remi have a rest,Pity it didn't work out for you and Aston Villa.We need someone who will perform a miracle and there is no one who comes to mind.
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Grealish has just tweeted that he's "happy to be back in training"!!!
Distasteful. Just zip it and get your head down.
I agree. What a tosser Grealish is. These players are the worst players I've ever known to be associated with our club. They won't be receiving any of my support from now on. Sad days, but regarding Remi, necessary I feel.
Good luck to him.
As for the c*** brigade, you can be added too, Jack you fucking ballsack. His dad is a bellend, too.
For a long time now I've felt I supported the club as an institution rather than the players. I actually have far more respect for people like Hutton who might be a limited player but gives it his all, than someone sulky or lazy or perhaps even a cause of backroom issues in some cases.
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Grealish has just tweeted that he's "happy to be back in training"!!!
Distasteful. Just zip it and get your head down.
I agree. What a tosser Grealish is. These players are the worst players I've ever known to be associated with our club. They won't be receiving any of my support from now on. Sad days, but regarding Remi, necessary I feel.
Good luck to him.
As for the c*** brigade, you can be added too, Jack you fucking ballsack. His dad is a bellend, too.
Wow. I understand that there's little if any goodwill for our players right now, in particular Grealish with his off field antics, but this is a massive over-reaction to an ill-timed tweet at worst. He's a young lad coming back from injury and almost certainly understands that he has a lot to prove, so don't agree with the level of vitriol shown towards him for this.
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We seem to have to use the "he's a young lad" line about jack a bit too often for my liking.
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Also maybe if Garde hadn't singled him out for criticism publicly on numerous occasions then Grealish wouldn't be publicly gloating.
At the Wycombe replay Grealish had a nightmare. Most of the players did, but he stood out, probably because we've seen more from him previously, and he just looked so short on confidence. I was really surprised to see Garde slate him in the press afterwards. He certainly didn't learn that from Wenger.
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We seem to have to use the "he's a young lad" line about jack a bit too often for my liking.
Very true, if only he could demonstrate the level of maturity and discretion that I possessed at the age of 20.....erm, on second thoughts probably not.
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Li'l Lee Hendry is going to give us the benefit of his wisdom after eight on 5Live Breakfast.
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I feel sorry for Garde and am nervous about the way we might go with a replacement.
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Li'l Lee Hendry is going to give us the benefit of his wisdom after eight on 5Live Breakfast.
Thanks for the heads up. Just managed to catch the tail end of what Lilil Lee had to say. Said it was Pearson or Moyes as the replacement for him (a worry to me that he said Pearson first). Was singing the praises of Brian Little, saying what a mess it has been the last 4 years or so. What a different beast the Championship is to the Prem.
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I too feel sorry for Garde. He strikes me as a serious man and a trier, and things must have been pretty bad since he gave up so quickly.
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On the topic of Remi Garde's "failure" and the ecstacy generated in many quarters by his departure, I am struck by the picture of a man failing his driving test.
He turns up at the test centre expecting Avis to have provided a roadworthy, legal vehicle to take the test. Instead he finds a clapped out old banger with no brakes, flat tyres and no steering wheel. When told that it is all that was available he asks for the keys. No keys he is told, you will have to hope your route starts with a downhill slope so you can bump start the engine. He does his best but half way through the test other drivers start ramming him and the test inspector calls a halt to the proceedings and Remi is told to go home.
That is in my mind the "failure" of Remi Garde. I wish him well in his future career and admire him for sticking the 147 days with such dignity.
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Li'l Lee Hendry is going to give us the benefit of his wisdom after eight on 5Live Breakfast.
Thanks for the heads up. Just managed to catch the tail end of what Lilil Lee had to say. Said it was Pearson or Moyes as the replacement for him (a worry to me that he said Pearson first). Was singing the praises of Brian Little, saying what a mess it has been the last 4 years or so. What a different beast the Championship is to the Prem.
He also said we have some quality players at the club. :o
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On the topic of Remi Garde's "failure" and the ecstacy generated in many quarters by his departure, I am struck by the picture of a man failing his driving test.
He turns up at the test centre expecting Avis to have provided a roadworthy, legal vehicle to take the test. Instead he finds a clapped out old banger with no brakes, flat tyres and no steering wheel. When told that it is all that was available he asks for the keys. No keys he is told, you will have to hope your route starts with a downhill slope so you can bump start the engine. He does his best but half way through the test other drivers start ramming him and the test inspector calls a halt to the proceedings and Remi is told to go home.
That is in my mind the "failure" of Remi Garde. I wish him well in his future career and admire him for sticking the 147 days with such dignity.
Agreed.
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On the topic of Remi Garde's "failure" and the ecstacy generated in many quarters by his departure, I am struck by the picture of a man failing his driving test.
He turns up at the test centre expecting Avis to have provided a roadworthy, legal vehicle to take the test. Instead he finds a clapped out old banger with no brakes, flat tyres and no steering wheel. When told that it is all that was available he asks for the keys. No keys he is told, you will have to hope your route starts with a downhill slope so you can bump start the engine. He does his best but half way through the test other drivers start ramming him and the test inspector calls a halt to the proceedings and Remi is told to go home.
That is in my mind the "failure" of Remi Garde. I wish him well in his future career and admire him for sticking the 147 days with such dignity.
I think you are right Brian, we appear to have got rid of the chauffeur because the engine is crap.
I fear that the group of players we have will be laughing themselves all the way to the night clubs.
I hope he is not hamstrung and will lift the lid on what these have been doing behind the scenes, keeping it all behind close doors will only mean that they can carry on as before.
I think the French guys will be gone come the summer and we will be left with the awkward crew, my only hope is that the new board will wrest back control and disappoint them in the "endeavours"
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I am slightly worried that we will get the wrong man again. Good luck to Remi for the futre.
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I am slightly worried that we will get the wrong man again. Good luck to Remi for the futre.
Like a few people have said though, having the likes of Bernstein (who's been through this before) and Little in there gives you a little more confidence that they'll make a choice based on what needs doing.
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Whoever takes Remi Garde's place will owe him a big debt of gratitude.
For the new man the board dare not risk behaving like the board did with Garde. The new man will get a guaranteed budget, his own backroom team and new players.
He will have the likes of N'Zogbia gone along with Richardson.
The likes of Richards, Guzan and Lescott will do one.
The remaining dressing room delinquents who did nothing since the Wembley Liverpool game will all assume angelic expressions as though butter would not me!t in their mouths and buckle down to serious training because they would know if they had the intelligence that the buck stopped with them not Remi Garde.
In short the situation facing a new manager will be a bed of winnable games roses and he will be able to bask in match statistics in the stratosphere compared to Sherwood's and Garde's.
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Grealish has just tweeted that he's "happy to be back in training"!!!
Distasteful. Just zip it and get your head down.
I agree. What a tosser Grealish is. These players are the worst players I've ever known to be associated with our club. They won't be receiving any of my support from now on. Sad days, but regarding Remi, necessary I feel.
Good luck to him.
As for the c*** brigade, you can be added too, Jack you fucking ballsack. His dad is a bellend, too.
Wow. I understand that there's little if any goodwill for our players right now, in particular Grealish with his off field antics, but this is a massive over-reaction to an ill-timed tweet at worst. He's a young lad coming back from injury and almost certainly understands that he has a lot to prove, so don't agree with the level of vitriol shown towards him for this.
Fair points, mate. Apologies if I came across as a bad mouthed lout. I'm just fed up, that's all.
As a Villa guy through and through, I just thought he would be more on the pulse as regards to what is really irking us, the supporters-ie. Tweets that continue to appear at the worst possible times...Lescott after the Liverpool game, Richards at any given point and so on, Grealish just lately.
Once again, I didn't intend to be just raving for the sake of it. I want him to get out in the pitch and give his all.
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I wonder if the Dubai trip has played any part in RG going - being in that position with a load of shit players that have given up, to see some of them off overseas taking things 'less than seriously' I'd be surprised if he didn't use that to his advantage. If he was getting the blame for shit results, then surely that just shows what little hope he had of salvaging anything when 'top' players are outwardly stating the season was over. Impossible situation for him.
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I wonder if the Dubai trip has played any part in RG going - being in that position with a load of shit players that have given up, to see some of them off overseas taking things 'less than seriously' I'd be surprised if he didn't use that to his advantage. If he was getting the blame for shit results, then surely that just shows what little hope he had of salvaging anything when 'top' players are outwardly stating the season was over. Impossible situation for him.
Would they not have to ask permission from the club before going abroad to socialise during the season?
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I wonder if the Dubai trip has played any part in RG going - being in that position with a load of shit players that have given up, to see some of them off overseas taking things 'less than seriously' I'd be surprised if he didn't use that to his advantage. If he was getting the blame for shit results, then surely that just shows what little hope he had of salvaging anything when 'top' players are outwardly stating the season was over. Impossible situation for him.
Would they not have to ask permission from the club before going abroad to socialise during the season?
To be honest, on an 'international break' weekend i have no idea..? As long as they aren't missing training then I don't really know what they have to do, however if they did require permission it's just another example of giving up. From both the club and players, as I'm pretty sure Newcastle/Sunderland/Norwich wouldn't be allowing it.
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The club gave them extra time off over Easter. I don't suppose it stipulated they stay home and cut the grass as part of the deal.
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Garde may go on to rebuild his reputation and career elsewhere, but I have to say that even allowing for the shitstorm he inherited, he performed absolutely dismally. Yes the likes of Richards and Agbonlahor have been taking the piss, but what player actually improved and looked like they wanted to play for Garde? He couldn't even get the best out of the French lads, with the likes of Veretout not getting in the team ahead of the woeful Westwood.
Long before he left, he was moping around in a half-arsed way as bad as the players. Time for this much vaunted new board to step up.
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He gave up at the end of January. I was with him and admired his dignity but he has been sulking for weeks.
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Li'l Lee Hendry is going to give us the benefit of his wisdom after eight on 5Live Breakfast.
Thanks for the heads up. Just managed to catch the tail end of what Lilil Lee had to say. Said it was Pearson or Moyes as the replacement for him (a worry to me that he said Pearson first and on more than one occasion). Was singing the praises of Brian Little, saying what a mess it has been the last 4 years or so. What a different beast the Championship is to the Prem.
He also said we have some quality players at the club. :o
Even more worrying! Jeeez!
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For all the sympathy for Remi the following is shocking to be honest.
Garde went after a run of six successive defeats. Villa’s plight was already worrying when he took over but it has worsened alarmingly on his watch. They had four points from their first 11 games, but that was only four fewer than Bournemouth. Now they are separated by 30 points.
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For all the sympathy for Remi the following is shocking to be honest.
Garde went after a run of six successive defeats. Villa’s plight was already worrying when he took over but it has worsened alarmingly on his watch. They had four points from their first 11 games, but that was only four fewer than Bournemouth. Now they are separated by 30 points.
That's right Kippax but what many fans believe you have witnessed over Garde's tenure is a demonstration of player power of the most unacceptable type.
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perhaps he would have done better if he had played himself in at least 5 positions in the side at the same time
at least his instructions might have been carried out that way
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On the topic of Remi Garde's "failure" and the ecstacy generated in many quarters by his departure,
I'm not sure anyone's ecstatic at seeing another manager fail at Villa. Unless I missed something?
if Garde is as good a many people have been saying, then he should have no trouble in getting a better job than the one he's just lost so good luck to him. A few on here were hinting at him being Wenger-esque so maybe he'll get the Arsenal gig.
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I would not be surprised to see him do very well elsewhere Chico. I think this was just too big a job for him. Maybe we needed someone like Pearson when Garde got it, but he is not what we need now.
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That's right Kippax but what many fans believe you have witnessed over Garde's tenure is a demonstration of player power of the most unacceptable type.
Either way, like it or not, we need a manager in now who can deal with the shitstorm that is Aston Villa these days. Under normal circumstances none of us would want Pearson/Dyche/Pulis/Bruce etc but they're exactly the sort of been-there-done-that managers we need to come in, sort out the players who think they own the place, sort out the shambolic behind the scenes running of the place and start the process of getting us back to where we should be.
Once the club's back on an even keel and heading back in the right direction, that's the time to bring in a Garde-type manager.
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David Moyes is that the man I want. It would show ambition that we have money to spend to get us back into the Premier league at our first attempt; which wouldn't necessarily be the case if we were to appoint Pearson. As for Garde, it was the wrong man to bring in and I think we knew that from the day he arrived. He had a chance to at least give us half a chance after beating Norwich, but we've been dreadful since then and he had to go.
Good luck in the future Remi - it certainly won't be at Arsenal :D
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The club gave them extra time off over Easter. I don't suppose it stipulated they stay home and cut the grass as part of the deal.
The club might not have explicitly said "don't do anything fucking stupid to get yourself in the papers" but you have to be particularly thick not to understand that is implied.
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In fairness to the players, they went away for a few days and went out one night and got photographed. It was hardly a long weekend of debauchery that dragged the club's name through the mud. It probably wasn't the brightest thing for them to bugger off like that but they weren't misbehaving as far as we know.
Richards and Gabby are still a pair of plums mind.
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On the topic of Remi Garde's "failure" and the ecstacy generated in many quarters by his departure, I am struck by the picture of a man failing his driving test.
He turns up at the test centre expecting Avis to have provided a roadworthy, legal vehicle to take the test. Instead he finds a clapped out old banger with no brakes, flat tyres and no steering wheel. When told that it is all that was available he asks for the keys. No keys he is told, you will have to hope your route starts with a downhill slope so you can bump start the engine. He does his best but half way through the test other drivers start ramming him and the test inspector calls a halt to the proceedings and Remi is told to go home.
That is in my mind the "failure" of Remi Garde. I wish him well in his future career and admire him for sticking the 147 days with such dignity.
But we weren't giving him the job as a test to see if he could do it. He was supposed to be able to 'drive' when he arrived. We were a rusty old banger with no brakes when he got the job. If he could only work with good players and the club running in a proper fashion he was the wrong appointment, as he proved to be.
If people want to judge him in a hypothetical scenario where we had better players then fair enough. But in the actual situation he was hired in, he failed.
And it doesn't give me any pleasure in the slightest as we really needed his appointment to work out. And it didn't. And now we are going to be relegated.
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In fairness to the players, they went away for a few days and went out one night and got photographed. It was hardly a long weekend of debauchery that dragged the club's name through the mud. It probably wasn't the brightest thing for them to bugger off like that but they weren't misbehaving as far as we know.
Richards and Gabby are still a pair of plums mind.
yep. As far as i can work out they were allowed to go and it was over EASTER when the rest of us were off eating eggs anyway. Press inspired shit-stirring which our fans went for big time
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On the topic of Remi Garde's "failure" and the ecstacy generated in many quarters by his departure, I am struck by the picture of a man failing his driving test.
He turns up at the test centre expecting Avis to have provided a roadworthy, legal vehicle to take the test. Instead he finds a clapped out old banger with no brakes, flat tyres and no steering wheel. When told that it is all that was available he asks for the keys. No keys he is told, you will have to hope your route starts with a downhill slope so you can bump start the engine. He does his best but half way through the test other drivers start ramming him and the test inspector calls a halt to the proceedings and Remi is told to go home.
That is in my mind the "failure" of Remi Garde. I wish him well in his future career and admire him for sticking the 147 days with such dignity.
I agree with this to an extent and I was a keen advocate of a foreign, forward thinking coach when names like Allardyce and Pearson were being touted. However I also have some sympathy with Risso's view that despite the shit hand he was dealt, and the possible betrayal over January signings, apart from a brief spell before and during the window where there were signs of fight and possible recovery, he failed to inspire the players, rally the dressing room and weed out the bad eggs. Obviously part of the problem was that there are more bad eggs than good, but I would happily have seen Richards and co. forming a new bomb squad and some of the youngsters given a go. It's also mystifying why he would do things like play JustEad and not plan to pump crosses into him all day long. I think he just gave up after January and waited for the train wreck, which is disappointing. I still think he could have been the right man for us but it was the worst time imaginable for him to be taking over. Given the players we have it may well have been better to get a brute like Pearson in, the kind of boss who might have taken the likes of Richards behind the dressing rooms, pinned him up against the wall and threatened to punch his lights out if he didn't stop dicking about.
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Pearson can fuck off, I want Moyes or nothing, if we get someone like Gary Monk then it was a complete waste of time
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My thoughts and feelings are for Remi Garde today. The inevitable has happened but this is a guy who has been completely shit on by the biggest bunch of charlatans ever masquerading as players of our great club. They are a complete and utter disgrace to the name of Aston Villa. I for one hope that Remi goes on to recover from this and wish him all the best.
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My thoughts and feelings are for Remi Garde today. The inevitable has happened but this is a guy who has been completely shit on by the biggest bunch of charlatans ever masquerading as players of our great club. They are a complete and utter disgrace to the name of Aston Villa. I for one hope that Remi goes on to recover from this and wish him all the best.
Add Tom Fox et al to the list of charlatans...they employed Garde pretty much knowing they would not back him and that he would take all the shit while they sat counting the profits from shirt sales and executive box bookings for Sky luvvies' supporters...their own indication of "success".
Twats!
Garde's shown more dignity than all the other feckers put together.
Good bloke, wrong time...perhaps.
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Not surprised, not overly saddened, as I have stated on here was never sure about him, but what we all have to realise is, we have just taken the head of the boil, we need to be able now, to lance this bastard properly and make sure we get all the puss out as well.
If not that boil aint ever getting better.
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we have just taken the head of[f] the boil, we need to be able now, to lance this bastard properly and make sure we get all the [pus] out as well.
I would just pay off Flabby's contract; no need for all that.
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Remi was chosen (as the cheap option) to get the best out of the new "foreign legion" that Villa had bought in the summer.
He arguably did that, if comparing the performances of these players with the players already here, or bought by Sherwood.
Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Gana, Traore showed more under Garde than Sherwood, unfortunately a lot of the others Guzan, Lescott, Richards, Westwood, Gabby, Grealish, N'Zog resented Tim being sacked and decided they would not perform for him.
Then when the chance came in the January transfer window to replace some of the underperfomers with some players of his own choice, he gets shafted by the club, and hung out to dry by Fox et al.
He tried to bring in some youth, but ultimately the players shafted him completely.
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My thoughts and feelings are for Remi Garde today. The inevitable has happened but this is a guy who has been completely shit on by the biggest bunch of charlatans ever masquerading as players of our great club. They are a complete and utter disgrace to the name of Aston Villa. I for one hope that Remi goes on to recover from this and wish him all the best.
Add Tom Fox et al to the list of charlatans...they employed Garde pretty much knowing they would not back him and that he would take all the shit while they sat counting the profits from shirt sales and executive box bookings for Sky luvvies' supporters...their own indication of "success".
Twats!
Garde's shown more dignity than all the other feckers put together.
Good bloke, wrong time...perhaps.
It will be ironic if he becomes a successful manager at another club if we sink to obscurity. Hopefully our new board will ensure doesn't happen.
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Remi was chosen (as the cheap option) to get the best out of the new "foreign legion" that Villa had bought in the summer.
He arguably did that, if comparing the performances of these players with the players already here, or bought by Sherwood.
Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Gana, Traore showed more under Garde than Sherwood, unfortunately a lot of the others Guzan, Lescott, Richards, Westwood, Gabby, Grealish, N'Zog resented Tim being sacked and decided they would not perform for him.
Then when the chance came in the January transfer window to replace some of the underperfomers with some players of his own choice, he gets shafted by the club, and hung out to dry by Fox et al.
He tried to bring in some youth, but ultimately the players shafted him completely.
Amavi played one match under Garde, and he was the one player who had looked good in the majority of his games before Sherwood got the sack. Traore played about 60 minuts of football as a sub. Veretout can't displace Westwood or Bacuna from the midfield.
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My thoughts and feelings are for Remi Garde today. The inevitable has happened but this is a guy who has been completely shit on by the biggest bunch of charlatans ever masquerading as players of our great club. They are a complete and utter disgrace to the name of Aston Villa. I for one hope that Remi goes on to recover from this and wish him all the best.
Add Tom Fox et al to the list of charlatans...they employed Garde pretty much knowing they would not back him and that he would take all the shit while they sat counting the profits from shirt sales and executive box bookings for Sky luvvies' supporters...their own indication of "success".
Twats!
Garde's shown more dignity than all the other feckers put together.
Good bloke, wrong time...perhaps.
I agree with this
Good luck in the future Remi wherever you go
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Wise words from God on twitter.
Best wishes Remi Garde , I don't believe Aston Villas fall had anything to do with you , let down by the board and by the players... #adieu
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I really don't get the out pouring of sympathy for Remi at all.
Shafted by the players? He continued to pick the same useless side week in week, he is paid to manage and if there was a toxic element it is his job to remove it. He was far too weak with the cowards and leeches....
Shafted in January? We talk constantly of Randy being a useless businessman, how foolish a decision would it have been to spend 20m in Jan when you looked at the league table on Jan 1st.
When we appointed him I had high hopes of getting the 'new mgr bounce' that might have given us a chance to survive in this league, his record has been shocking & our fate was decided months ago.
Wish him luck but will be happy to forget he was ever in B6
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I really don't get the out pouring of sympathy for Remi at all.
Shafted by the players? He continued to pick the same useless side week in week, he is paid to manage and if there was a toxic element it is his job to remove it. He was far too weak with the cowards and leeches....
Shafted in January? We talk constantly of Randy being a useless businessman, how foolish a decision would it have been to spend 20m in Jan when you looked at the league table on Jan 1st.
When we appointed him I had high hopes of getting the 'new mgr bounce' that might have given us a chance to survive in this league, his record has been shocking & our fate was decided months ago.
Wish him luck but will be happy to forget he was ever in B6
Aren't your first two points kind of linked though? If he had had any backing at all in January I think that toxic element would have been managed out. He'd already isolated Agbonlahor, Guzan and Richards by this point and had appeared to have improved Lescott's attitude for a while. Through the lack of any activity in January injuries meant that he had to return to those players he had tried to get out of the picture. The alternative was throwing a load of youngsters into a hopeless situation, which probably would have ruined their future prospects. So I don't see how you can criticise him for not dealing with the toxic element whilst at the same time saying we shouldn't have brought any players in.
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Hey everyone I've got some good news. Sky are showing the 92-93 season on PL Years right now. We've just beaten Liverpool 4-2.
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My thoughts and feelings are for Remi Garde today. The inevitable has happened but this is a guy who has been completely shit on by the biggest bunch of charlatans ever masquerading as players of our great club. They are a complete and utter disgrace to the name of Aston Villa. I for one hope that Remi goes on to recover from this and wish him all the best.
100% agree. The players are a fucking disgrace and the fact they will trot out again Saturday wearing the badge makes me feel sick.
Good luck Remi - you didn't stand a chance with the car crash going on around you.
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Just thinking the most appropriate way to encapsulate our season on the review DVD might be that Christmas Special thing they did with Richards laughing his head off. I can't help but feel he's been a voice for negativity and dissent in the backroom. I might be totally wrong though.
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My thoughts and feelings are for Remi Garde today. The inevitable has happened but this is a guy who has been completely shit on by the biggest bunch of charlatans ever masquerading as players of our great club. They are a complete and utter disgrace to the name of Aston Villa. I for one hope that Remi goes on to recover from this and wish him all the best.
100% agree. The players are a fucking disgrace and the fact they will trot out again Saturday wearing the badge makes me feel sick.
Boo 'em on and boo 'em off - the first time we won at home we gave Bacuna, Richards and Guzan pelters...
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If there's one thing I will thank Remi Garde for its calling out the executives of the club when he was taking all that shit in the media. It put Fox and Co in the spotlight and proved he wasn't going to be the poodle for the appalling way the club has been run since Lerners arrival. If it's had even a small impact in bringing about the board changes then we need to see that as a silver lining. On the football front he was hamstrung by the biggest bunch of ****** I've ever seen represent the club, I am absolutely seething at what appears to be a total lack of professionalism and application from a large part of the squad. On Remi himself I have to say he could have done better and I had joined the Church of the latter day relegation avoiders during January but that dissipated watching the goals go in against Liverpool. At that point he gave up.
One of these days we'll get a forward thinking coach at the right time for the club.
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Grauniad
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/mar/30/remi-garde-aston-villa-poor-fit-randy-lerner
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Just thinking the most appropriate way to encapsulate our season on the review DVD might be that Christmas Special thing they did with Richards laughing his head off. I can't help but feel he's been a voice for negativity and dissent in the backroom. I might be totally wrong though.
He reminded me of Indio in For a Few Dollars More In That.
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I'm sure Garde has played a key role in the rebuild of the club even if it didn't translate on the pitch. Even if in the end he wasn't the man to carry us forward, what he will have told Hollis/King/Bernstein/Little will help shape the future structure of the club. And yes it helped in dumping the likes of Fox and Almstadt and it will help in how we handle certain players at the club. Hopefully in years to come he will be seen as one of the architects of the AVWEP (Aston Villa Wanker Eradication Programme).
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He gave up at the end of January. I was with him and admired his dignity but he has been sulking for weeks.
I wish he'd have walked after the transfer window debacle - as I'm pretty sure the he would have received the utmost respect from the majority of supporters. That said, the opportunity of the mutually consenting pay-off was probably far too lucrative to ignore...
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I'm sure Garde has played a key role in the rebuild of the club even if it didn't translate on the pitch. Even if in the end he wasn't the man to carry us forward, what he will have told Hollis/King/Bernstein/Little will help shape the future structure of the club.
I don't buy this. Unless Garde told Bernstein, Little, Hollis and King that Villa need to sack their manager and get a new one
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I'm sure Garde has played a key role in the rebuild of the club even if it didn't translate on the pitch. Even if in the end he wasn't the man to carry us forward, what he will have told Hollis/King/Bernstein/Little will help shape the future structure of the club. And yes it helped in dumping the likes of Fox and Almstadt and it will help in how we handle certain players at the club. Hopefully in years to come he will be seen as one of the architects of the AVWEP (Aston Villa Wanker Eradication Programme).
we will never know, but I am inclined to agree. the moment he called them out is perhaps the moment the institution started to wake up.
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thanks for all your support you shit bags .......................seriously i know he hasnt been a success but with these wankers we have been playing for us NOBODY could have saved us .
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According to Wikipedia there have been nearly 350 Premier League Managers/Caretaker Managers since the start of the Premier League.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_managers
I doubt Garde would get into the top 300.
A BBC view.
Remi Garde: How does his record compare with the Premier League's worst?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35876601
Whatever the reasons, his record is indefensible.
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I'm sure Garde has played a key role in the rebuild of the club even if it didn't translate on the pitch. Even if in the end he wasn't the man to carry us forward, what he will have told Hollis/King/Bernstein/Little will help shape the future structure of the club.
I don't buy this. Unless Garde told Bernstein, Little, Hollis and King that Villa need to sack their manager and get a new one
However it ended it wouldn't have if the results were better. That's what did him in the end. But it doesn't mean he hasn't contributed to some of the structural changes that are taking place.
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thanks for all your support you shit bags .......................seriously i know he hasnt been a success but with these wankers we have been playing for us NOBODY could have saved us .
Clear off, you're sacked!
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According to Wikipedia there have been nearly 350 Premier League Managers/Caretaker Managers since the start of the Premier League.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_managers
I doubt Garde would get into the top 300.
A BBC view.
Remi Garde: How does his record compare with the Premier League's worst?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35876601
Whatever the reasons, his record is indefensible.
Another great example of looking through a cloudy lens. Anyone who knows anything about how to engineer the best results from great talent fundamentally understands the environment in which you put that talent matters a great deal.
Put Sir AF in a pile of stinking shit and it will stil end up stinking like shit.
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According to Wikipedia there have been nearly 350 Premier League Managers/Caretaker Managers since the start of the Premier League.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_managers
I doubt Garde would get into the top 300.
A BBC view.
Remi Garde: How does his record compare with the Premier League's worst?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35876601
Whatever the reasons, his record is indefensible.
Put Sir AF in a pile of stinking shit and it will stil end up stinking like shit.
It's relative of course, but Fergie was dumped in a pile of shit when he joined Man United in 86(?), player power, drinking culture, acceptance of mediocrity, a big club on the slippery slope. But he had a proven track record at Aberdeen and wasted no time in letting the players know who the boss was. Are you saying Fergie wouldn't have sorted our players out and got more than 2 wins in that time?
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thanks for all your support you shit bags .......................seriously i know he hasnt been a success but with these wankers we have been playing for us NOBODY could have saved us .
Clear off, you're sacked!
not with out my payoff i aint
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Guardian View - which everyone was thinking.... (* apologies if posted elsewhere *)
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/mar/30/remi-garde-aston-villa-poor-fit-randy-lerner
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According to Wikipedia there have been nearly 350 Premier League Managers/Caretaker Managers since the start of the Premier League.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_managers
I doubt Garde would get into the top 300.
A BBC view.
Remi Garde: How does his record compare with the Premier League's worst?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35876601
Whatever the reasons, his record is indefensible.
Put Sir AF in a pile of stinking shit and it will stil end up stinking like shit.
It's relative of course, but Fergie was dumped in a pile of shit when he joined Man United in 86(?), player power, drinking culture, acceptance of mediocrity, a big club on the slippery slope. But he had a proven track record at Aberdeen and wasted no time in letting the players know who the boss was. Are you saying Fergie wouldn't have sorted our players out and got more than 2 wins in that time?
With one key difference - Fergie was given an almost unlimited budget (in those days) to go get who he wanted. And he did. Remi was given jack.
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According to Wikipedia there have been nearly 350 Premier League Managers/Caretaker Managers since the start of the Premier League.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_managers
I doubt Garde would get into the top 300.
A BBC view.
Remi Garde: How does his record compare with the Premier League's worst?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35876601
Whatever the reasons, his record is indefensible.
Put Sir AF in a pile of stinking shit and it will stil end up stinking like shit.
It's relative of course, but Fergie was dumped in a pile of shit when he joined Man United in 86(?), player power, drinking culture, acceptance of mediocrity, a big club on the slippery slope. But he had a proven track record at Aberdeen and wasted no time in letting the players know who the boss was. Are you saying Fergie wouldn't have sorted our players out and got more than 2 wins in that time?
With one key difference - Fergie was given an almost unlimited budget (in those days) to go get who he wanted. And he did. Remi was given jack.
Of course. But I thought your point was that nobody could have done a better job than Garde? Which is what I disagree with.
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According to Wikipedia there have been nearly 350 Premier League Managers/Caretaker Managers since the start of the Premier League.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_managers
I doubt Garde would get into the top 300.
A BBC view.
Remi Garde: How does his record compare with the Premier League's worst?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35876601
Whatever the reasons, his record is indefensible.
Put Sir AF in a pile of stinking shit and it will stil end up stinking like shit.
It's relative of course, but Fergie was dumped in a pile of shit when he joined Man United in 86(?), player power, drinking culture, acceptance of mediocrity, a big club on the slippery slope. But he had a proven track record at Aberdeen and wasted no time in letting the players know who the boss was. Are you saying Fergie wouldn't have sorted our players out and got more than 2 wins in that time?
With one key difference - Fergie was given an almost unlimited budget (in those days) to go get who he wanted. And he did. Remi was given jack.
Of course. But I thought your point was that nobody could have done a better job than Garde? Which is what I disagree with.
No that wasn't my point. How could you or I possibly know that, given neither of us have the power to predict the future based on the past?
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Fair enough, I thought you were implying that even a world class manager like Fergie couldn't have done any better with the current Villa team than Garde.
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Fair enough, I thought you were implying that even a world class manager like Fergie couldn't have done any better with the current Villa team than Garde.
No I'm saying we don't know if a world class manager like Fergie would have done better. Given the shower of shit surrounding them, unlikely in my opinion - which is likely where we disagree.
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Very disappointed with Garde not working out. I thought that we could change our living in the past attitude to football and move on into the modern era.
Poor transfer policy in the summer, coupled with poor preparation and injuries that highlighted the first point, Garde came in to a split squad. He identified the issues but was not given sufficient backing in January.
How anybody can honestly say he failed with the above stacked against him, I don't know. With a blinkered view of not taking all things together, people can be critical but the 'perfect storm' was too much for anybody. Failure was our destiny from the end of last season.
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I hope Remi passes on the cattle prod to the next person to take the reins.
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According to Wikipedia there have been nearly 350 Premier League Managers/Caretaker Managers since the start of the Premier League.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_managers
I doubt Garde would get into the top 300.
A BBC view.
Remi Garde: How does his record compare with the Premier League's worst?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35876601
Whatever the reasons, his record is indefensible.
Put Sir AF in a pile of stinking shit and it will stil end up stinking like shit.
It's relative of course, but Fergie was dumped in a pile of shit when he joined Man United in 86(?), player power, drinking culture, acceptance of mediocrity, a big club on the slippery slope. But he had a proven track record at Aberdeen and wasted no time in letting the players know who the boss was. Are you saying Fergie wouldn't have sorted our players out and got more than 2 wins in that time?
With one key difference - Fergie was given an almost unlimited budget (in those days) to go get who he wanted. And he did. Remi was given jack.
Fergie was also given the time, despite sections of both the media and the home support deciding enough was enough.
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Also, when Ferguson started at Man United, the players weren't all arrogant, self-entitled millionaires with more power than the manager and zero respect for their club. By the time they had grown into that grotesque manifestation of a footballer, he had established Man United as a world power. They were not a fading institution living on past glories.
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Fergie also finished second in the league very early on, proving that he was worth the time.
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Just thinking the most appropriate way to encapsulate our season on the review DVD might be that Christmas Special thing they did with Richards laughing his head off. I can't help but feel he's been a voice for negativity and dissent in the backroom. I might be totally wrong though.
crash bang wallop- what a video!
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Fergie also finished second in the league very early on, proving that he was worth the time.
After nearly 2 years in the job actually
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Fergie also finished second in the league very early on, proving that he was worth the time.
After nearly 2 years in the job actually
Considering he was there 25 years, that's still early on, surely?
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Fergie also finished second in the league very early on, proving that he was worth the time.
After nearly 2 years in the job actually
So his first full season, which is early on.
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Fergie also finished second in the league very early on, proving that he was worth the time.
After nearly 2 years in the job actually
Considering he was there 25 years, that's still early on, surely?
But in the context of talking about Remi Garde getting 4 months probably not?
The reality is, Garde's been dealt the shittiest of hands you possibly could be but unless anyone wants to argue that getting the best out of the players at your disposal isn't part of the remit of a manager then you've got to admit he's failed to a certain extent.
We'll never know if a January transfer window where he got to bring in his own players may have changed things but you could argue that if he'd got the new manager bounce many managers get when they first join a club we may have had sufficient points that the board were confident enough to give him the money and potential recruits were confident enough to join us.
In the end, not winning a single match until half way through the transfer window was a pretty significant failure in itself which probably contributed to the rest of the rug being pulled from underneath him and making his sacking/resignation inevitable.
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Garde started OK, but clearly got his arse in his hand when the board decided not to give him any better players to work with.
You could argue he should have got on with it rather than sulking, but if he had decided that new signings were a firm prerequisite for staying up, you can see why he would have been so angry.
He should probably have resigned at that point.
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Have Ray and Duverne gone too?
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Garde started OK, but clearly got his arse in his hand when the board decided not to give him any better players to work with.
You could argue he should have got on with it rather than sulking, but if he had decided that new signings were a firm prerequisite for staying up, you can see why he would have been so angry.
He should probably have resigned at that point.
He started badly, we got hammered 4-0 at mid-table Everton in his second game, then followed it up with a 2-3 home defeat to newly-promoted Watford. There was an improvement in January, where we were harder to beat, but this only involved actually winning one league game, so we were still miles from safety, hence no money being made available during the month.
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Fergie also finished second in the league very early on, proving that he was worth the time.
After nearly 2 years in the job actually
So his first full season, which is early on.
Right but positively 12 months and one full season more than RG - which was the thread topic.
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Have Ray and Duverne gone too?
On the OS they are still here.
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Fergie also finished second in the league very early on, proving that he was worth the time.
After nearly 2 years in the job actually
So his first full season, which is early on.
Right but positively 12 months and one full season more than RG - which was the thread topic.
But he got that second season because he took a side with a suspect culture etc from 21st to 11th. I could be wrong but I don't think he signed anyone of note until the summer. Obviously we'll never know what would have happened if he'd done the same as Remi and gotten them relegated as to whether they'd have stuck by him or not.
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A suspect culture but also one with genuine ability throughout the side.
Anyway we could go back and forth all day - old news because Remi is gone now. It is what it is.
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Pre-European ban Ferguson would have got them into Europe four seasons out of his first five. Before they won the league he was already their most successful manager since Busby.
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Effing disgusting..stitched from the start. What does the next night watchman put in the contract. Big payoff if get into div two. I think the new bod are some sort of coak and dagger masonic clique now. Upper class and nothing more. Pocket-liners at fans expense.
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And Fergie spoke this AM with perfect timing about the need for patience with LVG, as he himself was given it.
Whomever we appoint next, they need to be given time and we need to be patient. Remi wasn't given any such patience - it was win now or bust.
I really do hope that if we don't suddenly set the Championship alight and are not top by Xmas, the fans will finally understand it takes time to turn the Titanic.
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Something i don't get is comparing our managers to Alex Ferguson.