Remi- It has happened.

[OCD]

I think there's a real risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.

[gpbarr]

I think there's a real risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.

Exactly. Finally the boardroom is being sorted out it seems. The next sort out should be at the player level, not the manager level. If we can fire managers and pay them off, why the hell cant we fire players and pay them off. Those who think the shower of shit that we call a squad today, are suddenly going to become something different tomorrow, just because we make yet another change, clearly have short term memories. These players for the most part were terrible for Lamber, for Sherwood, and now for Garde.

Guys - they are TERRIBLE. They need to be sold, or fired. Give the manager the tools to do the job, else keep firing ourselves in the foot. 

[mr woo]

I hope on Monday he is confirmed for next season with funds to back him in transfer market this summer.

Me too.But I don't expect it.

Make that three of us. It's the players that need changing not the manager.

The support the guy has received still amazes me.

He's done absolutely nothing (in his managerial career if I'm honest) to warrant being kept on.

I'm sorry chaps. He has to go. He's sulked like a school girl for 3 months now. What we need is someone bright and enthusiastic to give the place a lift.

The biggest concern is trusting the board in getting  the right replacement. Hopefully now Fox has gone we will.

I think your looking at this through tinted glasses. Look at his record developing a young team (on the cheap) at Lyon. But then he had three things there he has never had here. Time, his coaches, his players.

Bright & enthusiastic ..... ah yes, that will do it!

From memory I think he had 3 years at Lyon, taking over from a very unpopular coach. He pretty much kept the full compliment of players for the first season before having to sell off the stars to balance the books.


In that first season I don't think he improved their league finish over the previous guy. Also bear in mind Lyon are in the top three clubs in France, and not a mid table outfit or relegation scrappers. They never finished higher than 3Rd under him, which to me isn't a great achievement.   In fact they actually improved when he left, finishing second.


There were also question marks over why he left when he did,  it maybe suggests he has a lack of mental strength? 

I also read criticism of his defensive organisation, which has kind of bourne out with us.

As you say, the failure to secure his coaches was I suspect a major disadvantage to him, and there's no doubt he was treated badly by the board. Though I suspect those decisions were influenced by our awful form at the time.

Couple all that with the lack of Prem experience and knowledge of relegation fights and tbh I'm really not sure he was a wise choice in the first place.

[paul_e]

The key thing, for me, is to look at who we were heavily linked with in January, Kalinic, Doumbia, Debuchy and Khazri:

We have keepers with no confidence who are making mistakes so we can't reliably keep clean sheets.
We have full backs and wingers who can't cross and don't commit extra defenders out wide to create space.
We have strikers who don't attack the ball, don't move and don't hit the target anything like enough so we don't get goals.

The first problem needs to be fixed, if you're defence/keeper is going to gift 1-2 goals every game you don't win many games at any level.
After that fixing either of the other problems would make a big difference and fixing both would totally change our attacking play.

He identified all of these major issues and targeted players to help with each but we didn't get anything.  To me that shows that he's on the right track even if the results don't show it, I think this summer (depending on who stays and goes) would see a big change in the squad and I don't want that potential change to be put on hold for a year whilst we get a new guy with a track record in the championship who sees people like Gabby and thinks he can do something with them.

[peter w]

To be fair identifying that we concede goals and have no-one to look even remotely like scoring at the other end doesn't  say anything in particular about garde. Its plain to see what's wrong with the team. I think it was more that the replacements didn't want to come. On top of that players who did want to come would know we are desperate so the price goes up. i think it's fair enough if the board looks a the players we were linked out and wondered of spending those extra millions were likely to make a difference. It worked with Bent, but I don't think those mooted would have been anything other than an expensive gamble that if relegated may have seen them difficult to shift.

[django]

He didn't get the team playing with a coherent plan that gave us a chance to win games. Our players are limited of course but league two teams in the cups give teams more of a game than we have under Garde.

What type of game have we played under him? What's the plan been?

In answer to the thread question, not soon enough.  A terrible appointment.

Maybe the right guy for taking over from an Allardyce or O'Neil who had levelled out in mid table, but not the guy to take over when he did. Which is what I thought when we appointed him and sadly what I think now.

He had never been manager of a team in that situation, in any league. Plus he had to adapt to a new league, and do it all without his assistants, while managing a team who barely knew each other. A massive job, and he wasn't up to it. Nothing in his CV really suggested he would be.

[paul_e]

He didn't get the team playing with a coherent plan that gave us a chance to win games. Our players are limited of course but league two teams in the cups give teams more of a game than we have under Garde.

What type of game have we played under him? What's the plan been?

In answer to the thread question, not soon enough.  A terrible appointment.

Maybe the right guy for taking over from an Allardyce or O'Neil who had levelled out in mid table, but not the guy to take over when he did. Which is what I thought when we appointed him and sadly what I think now.

He had never been manager of a team in that situation, in any league. Plus he had to adapt to a new league, and do it all without his assistants, while managing a team who barely knew each other. A massive job, and he wasn't up to it. Nothing in his CV really suggested he would be.

Well yes he did, before the liverpool game we'd had a run of decent results that if we'd managed to keep going we'd be within a couple of points of safety now, the Liverpool game broke him and us for this season.

[kippaxvilla2]

I want Steve McLaren.

[in exile]

I want Steve McLaren.

Be careful what you wish for

[Boz]

I hope on Monday he is confirmed for next season with funds to back him in transfer market this summer.

Me too.But I don't expect it.

Make that three of us. It's the players that need changing not the manager.

The support the guy has received still amazes me.

He's done absolutely nothing (in his managerial career if I'm honest) to warrant being kept on.

I'm sorry chaps. He has to go. He's sulked like a school girl for 3 months now. What we need is someone bright and enthusiastic to give the place a lift.

The biggest concern is trusting the board in getting  the right replacement. Hopefully now Fox has gone we will.

Most of the players who've let him down are the ones who need to go first, but this is not really possible unfortunately. If the so called senior players are still there when a new manager arrives and they don't like him, will next season be any different.

[MarkM]

I think they will look for a manager who can manage the current team with maybe a few add on's

Remi has proved he is not that manager.

[aj2k77]

I think they will look for a manager who can manage the current team with maybe a few add on's

Remi has proved he is not that manager.

This is it. We don't have the money nor will we be able to get rid of massive chunks of the squad. We have unfortunately got to work with most of what we have.

[Des Little]

I'd like a manager who can manage this team with a baseball bat full of nine inch nails

[Comrade Blitz]

I'd like a manager who can manage this team with a baseball bat full of nine inch nails

Exactly - a right bastard who will make the rest of their season a living hell.

[murfee]

I'd like a manager who can manage this team with a baseball bat full of nine inch nails

Exactly - a right bastard who will make the rest of their season a living hell.

Spot on. These players need a rocket up their arses