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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on March 13, 2016, 06:28:26 PM
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Is it really worth it?
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I would comment, but like the players I can't be arsed.
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Groundhog Day. At least they tried but it's the lack of quality yet again.
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And it continues nothing left to say really.
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That sounds like apathy, but I cant be arsed to get the dictionary out to check
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Green did okay but it could have been a bloodbath defeat in not for Guzan and a lot of luck.
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We are in trouble for a long time.
Just get rid of Garde, what's the point.
There's not a single person within the footballing structure of the club that I have respect for. Anyone is free to leave. Club makes me sick.
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Aston Villa 0 Aston Villa fans 2
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It was crap and cold.
This weekend has really brought it home. Went to watch Bromsgrove yesterday and really enjoyed watching a game of football and had fun. Watching a team of players that fought for everything and are lucky if they get paid their expenses.
Then today off it's to VP to be bored watching multimillionaire 'professional' footballers show a fraction of the effort and commitment I saw yesterday.
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Only another 720 minutes of this shit to go - that's about the only positive I can think of
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Boot. Human face. Forever.
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I've spent today working with a Spuds fan, who spent the whole game checking the text commentary. He also spent the game purposefully not trying to talk me about it or take the piss.
It comes to something when fans of other teams can't even muster the energy to take the piss when they beat you.
It's horrible to be pitied.
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This season we've played 3 local derbies
Won 1, Drawn 1, lost 1
Seriously how shit are our neighbours
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Oh and having stewards going in to take down a small banner that has no swear words etc on it is pathetic and makes the club look even worse.
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Any press conference yet? What's the excuse this time?
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A message to the woman who sits in Seat F160 of the Lower Doug Ellis Stand:
I hope you're really proud of yourself for getting the middle-aged couple who were Spurs fans, and sitting in seats F161 and F162, removed at half-time. They weren't causing any trouble and you made yourself look a complete and utter idiot. It's people like you that give football, and Aston Villa in particular, a bad name. Yes, I know that tickets are sold on the basis that they are used by home fans but was it really necessary for you to bawl in each of their faces until stewards arrived; I thought that the couple showed great restraint. :(
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If we aren't careful we are going to be in a relegation fight.
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Watching us this season, the following has become the norm.
0-30 mins: have faint hope that as we're not losing yet, we may hold out & even nick one.
30-60 mins: watch us go from conceding a comical 1st goal to total disintegration.
60-80 mins: only keep watching purely to see how many leave on 74 mins.
80-90 mins: listen to the songs in the holte & marvel at how they range from pisstake to bile
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It was crap and cold.
This weekend has really brought it home. Went to watch Bromsgrove yesterday and really enjoyed watching a game of football and had fun. Watching a team of players that fought for everything and are lucky if they get paid their expenses.
Then today off it's to VP to be bored watching multimillionaire 'professional' footballers show a fraction of the effort and commitment I saw yesterday.
Have begun to watch Redditch Utd. The level of commitment is light years ahead of the Villa men boys and these are guys who don't drive fancy cars or live in mansions. Perhaps the way to go..
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We're not very good... (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/fHhdvBIu/#video)
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If we aren't careful we are going to be in a relegation fight.
I know, I'm honestly starting to think we might not stay up,
no really I am
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An utter fucking waste of 86 mins.
By then I was cold and bordering on being comatose through boredom, so left.
Garde is changing and offering nothing.
The players even less.
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If we aren't careful we are going to be in a relegation fight.
I know, I'm honestly starting to think we might not stay up,
no really I am
I assume you mean stay up in the Championship?
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It wasn't lack of effort today. They worked hard before the goals and could have, with a bit of luck, been a goal up. Lack of concentration cost the goals and then the confidence went. But I don't think that the effort did.
You can't necessarily blame the players if they aren't good enough. It's years of poor signings and sales and poor decisions that have put the club in this position. Lerner has wasted his money because he is an incompetent baffoon.
Sacking another manager isn't the answer. Garde must be given some chance to bring in his own players and at least until November to get the club near the top of the Championship.
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Well done to the stewards for removing the banners. It is a minority of hotheaded agitators putting silly ideas into the heads of the silent majority of fans about our owner. (aka Kim Jong Lerner)
Despite the distraction caused by these politically motivated troublemakers, I'm really pleased with our 3-0 win today.
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Well I guess I won't be buying FIFA 17. No Villa Park in the game.
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Well done to the stewards for removing the banners. It is a minority of hotheaded agitators putting silly ideas into the heads of the silent majority of fans about our owner. (aka Kim Jong Lerner)
Despite the distraction caused by these politically motivated troublemakers, I'm really pleased with our 3-0 win today.
Well I suppose it gives our mercenary non Villa fan stewards a little bit of excitement. Different to guarding the checkout at Tesco for minimum wage.
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What was the team that tore the maybe champions apart for 45 minutes going into to the break 2-0 up?
What has happened? Ok we are very very shit but how have we got so shit?
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Well I guess I won't be buying FIFA 17. No Villa Park in the game.
I think Loftus Road is still in Fifa 16 so you should be fine...
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Mathematicians say we can still get to 40 points.
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Just sad in what we have become the ghost of a club twitching in it's death throes.
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Mathematicians say we can still get to 40 points.
38 will do ;)
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Beeb site
Aston Villa manager Remi Garde: "The result is not positive but for sure the attitude and commitment for the 90 minutes was better than in previous weeks.
"I am frustrated for the players because they fought, but once again we have been too fragile defensively. We hit the post twice and didn't have the luck. But we have to fight against that.
"It is hard but then it is still mathematically possible so we need to fight. The situation is awful and it is massive challenge to win enough games to stay up. But you have to be proud and fight until the last minute.
"I love football and hate defeat. Five in a row. I don't think I've experienced that in my career."
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What was the team that tore the maybe champions apart for 45 minutes going into to the break 2-0 up?
What has happened? Ok we are very very shit but how have we got so shit?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Lerner,_Randy.jpg)
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It would be nice to just score a goal sometime
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Oh and having stewards going in to take down a small banner that has no swear words etc on it is pathetic and makes the club look even worse.
happened by me in the lower north is the club just thinking up new ways to piss fans off?
as for the game, spuds will never have an easier game, fuck me we are just devoid of anything
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30,000 banners for Chelsea it is then.
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Aston Villa manager Remi Garde:
Five in a row. I don't think I've experienced that in my career."
Well you have now. 2 - 17 if anybody is counting.
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I watched the second half online. Midway through the half the commentators started reading some of the banners around the ground, having a general chit chat about what Spurs run in was like, how villa could prepare for the championship. They weren't even really discussing the game any more because as a contest it was completely over.
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We need a few more war analogies from the General to keep our spirits up otherwise I think we might lose again.
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Oh and having stewards going in to take down a small banner that has no swear words etc on it is pathetic and makes the club look even worse.
happened by me in the lower north is the club just thinking up new ways to piss fans off?
as for the game, spuds will never have an easier game, fuck me we are just devoid of anything
I could see it going on from the Lower Holte. I think it was ridiculous that the stewards went in mob handed take down a "LERNER OUT" banner someone was holding up. Makes the club look pathetic and risks creating an incident out of nothing.
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Also some credit to the Spurs fans for starting a "Lerner out" chant and giving a load of grief to the private security clown who took the second banner.
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Thought Gana was the only decent player for us, although he switched off for the first. It was never a foul and he was protesting whilst spurs were taking the free kick.
Thought Gil was very poor. His replacement Green looked decent although he had 3 men on him at times and no team mate coming short to help him out.
Guzan played ok as well he still finds touch with his kick outs.
Hutton and Cissokho see plenty of the ball but they don't do anything constructive with it.
I don't think that is a great Spurs team. The team with Bale and Van Der Vaart were much better. however they're well drilled and have a nice shape.
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Thought we worked really hard for a change in the first half - even Westwood played quite well - and, quelle surprise, a team without Flabby and Richards showed energy and desire. Rode our luck with them hitting the bar and the post before the inevitable, but really we just haven't got the quality to hurt teams any more. We must be the only team in the league who lets the opposition take a quick free kick for their first - why didn't anyone stand in front of the ball - maybe take a yellow but delay the free kick. We simply don't have a collective football brain. And how did Justhead miss that one which could have got us back in the game? But clutching at straws really - the reality is we're a very poor side and we are where we deserve to be.
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Oh and having stewards going in to take down a small banner that has no swear words etc on it is pathetic and makes the club look even worse.
happened by me in the lower north is the club just thinking up new ways to piss fans off?
as for the game, spuds will never have an easier game, fuck me we are just devoid of anything
I could see it going on from the Lower Holte. I think it was ridiculous that the stewards went in mob handed take down a "LERNER OUT" banner someone was holding up. Makes the club look pathetic and risks creating an incident out of nothing.
it was good natured until the gestapo waded in, not exactly sure what they would be throwing you out for
fair enough if it had obscenities on it but some left over emulsion on an old bedsheet?
cue more banners at the chelsea game
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Also some credit to the Spurs fans for starting a "Lerner out" chant and giving a load of grief to the private security clown who took the second banner.
I parked a fair few of them at King Edwards pre-match and they were very sympathetic to our predicament and sad that we have been led to this point by the owner. Went up in my estimations to be fair.
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The players tried and failed but at least they tried. Calling them 'pathetic tossers' based on today's performance is a bit much.
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Every week this seems more and more applicable to us.
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Also some credit to the Spurs fans for starting a "Lerner out" chant and giving a load of grief to the private security clown who took the second banner.
Private Security, yes this is what we now have for 'stewards'. Bouncers and minimum wage security goons with no understanding of what is going on around them. We are no longer seen as supporters but as mere 'customers' like those at a boy band event. I've been supporting Villa since the age of eleven back in 1966 and I have never felt so alienated. I'm beginning to wonder whether Villa is a poor performing 'brand' or a football club. Maybe it's time to start looking at the lower leagues for some supporter oriented football.
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Been going to the villa since the late 60 ''s and never known such a gulf between the fans and the club and the players.
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Are the coppers wearing platform boots these days?
Admittedly I had taken drink in anticipation of the afternoon's entertainment but I could swear some of them outside the away fans blocks were sporting profound platforms that would put Gary Glitter's to shame. My brother reckons that they have James Bond type weapons secreted in them, but he is fucking mad.
I mentioned it to a chap in the concourse at half time and he said that they are equipped with small jets which would enable them to take to the air if it kicked off. I was going to say pigs might fly but you have to be careful what you say these days, and in any case he beat me to it with some line about the flying filth which I reckon he half inched from an episode of Minder where they called the boat police the river filth.
Had to have a chuckle about the Bannergate based entertainment. Can you imagine the stewards trying to get people to take them down at the back of the Holte in the late 60's?
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The players tried and failed but at least they tried. Calling them 'pathetic tossers' based on today's performance is a bit much.
Today was a lot better than some of the recent debacles - No Gabby or Richards made a big difference - some of them looked like they were trying - but only in short spells. Too little too late.
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Every week this seems more and more applicable to us.
The Browns must rue the day they took Remi Garde as manager. No, wait...
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I was amazed with the Spurs fans and the "Lerner Out" chant and the chants against our so called stewards.
There was a punch up in the Lower North when the banner was taken away but I couldn't quite see what was being done to who and if anyone was kicked out or nicked.
Again, we worked hard and pressed until the first goal went in. It just makes me feel sick when I see players like Ayew throw his arms in the air as if not giving a fuck, he was talking to Gestede at the time when Spurs were going back for the kick off after scoring their second.
I just want/need this to be over.
Please, anyone who can, make and take banners to the Chelsea game. Stewards wont be able to take down hundreds of them. Let everyone see how pissed off we are with Lerner, Fox et all.
It hurts
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Take a sheet of A3/4 paper with a single-figure salute on it.
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Take a sheet of A3/4 paper with a single-figure salute on it.
If it was American Quarto size A4 they might take more notice of it 😉
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Thought Gana was the only decent player for us, although he switched off for the first. It was never a foul and he was protesting whilst spurs were taking the free kick.
Well as he was standing on the spot of the foul and they were taking it at least 5-10 yards away, I suppose he was thinking it was ok to stand and moan it out. Everytime I have seen Villa trying to take a quick freekick from a similar distance from the foul, we always seem to be called back.
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Just home. I thought we played well in some small bursts but the intervening majority of our play was disjointed and poor.
I came away with the inescapable impression that I had been watching a pre season friendly in which the score was unimportant.
I would like to add that if scientists can prove that bees cannot mathematically fly, they could also prove that it is impossible for a healthy adult male with a full set of limbs to run as slowly as Gestede.
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Also some credit to the Spurs fans for starting a "Lerner out" chant and giving a load of grief to the private security clown who took the second banner.
I parked a fair few of them at King Edwards pre-match and they were very sympathetic to our predicament and sad that we have been led to this point by the owner. Went up in my estimations to be fair.
I worked in London for a time back in the 80's. There were quite a few Spurs fans in the office and in footballing terms I always found them to be good company and fair minded compared to workmates who were supporters of other London teams.
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I was amazed with the Spurs fans and the "Lerner Out" chant and the chants against our so called stewards.
There was a punch up in the Lower North when the banner was taken away but I couldn't quite see what was being done to who and if anyone was kicked out or nicked.
Again, we worked hard and pressed until the first goal went in. It just makes me feel sick when I see players like Ayew throw his arms in the air as if not giving a fuck, he was talking to Gestede at the time when Spurs were going back for the kick off after scoring their second.
I just want/need this to be over.
Please, anyone who can, make and take banners to the Chelsea game. Stewards wont be able to take down hundreds of them. Let everyone see how pissed off we are with Lerner, Fox et all.
It hurts
they pulled a couple of lads out of the back of the lower north by me but didnt get the banner as it got passed back and put up the back of someones jumper
there was a heated exchange behind the stand for about ten mins and i think one of them was allowed back to his seat
just so petty and smalltime
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It'a the inevitability of it all that depresses me. When Spurs scored their second, with about 40 minutes left, you knew that that was it. Football used to be all about passion and excitement, and there was always the hope that the team would fight back and perhaps even win from 2 down. But no longer. Once we go behind it's like watching a dull practice game with the odd neat bit of passing but no commitment or fight. I don't think I've ever been as bored watching Villa as in the last few weeks.
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It'a the inevitability of it all that depresses me. When Spurs scored their second, with about 40 minutes left, you knew that that was it. Football used to be all about passion and excitement, and there was always the hope that the team would fight back and perhaps even win from 2 down. But no longer. Once we go behind it's like watching a dull practice game with the odd neat bit of passing but no commitment or fight. I don't think I've ever been as bored watching Villa as in the last few weeks.
it was like a training game after the second went in
bannergate was the most excitement we had had in ages
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Just got back.
For the first time in 30 years I didn't want to be there and that makes me incredibly sad. I only went because my brother in law Spuds fan reminded me of an 18 years old promise!
I felt huge amnosity towards every single player. Somebody shouted at Lescott getting off the coach "what car do have now".
Hey Ho Silver playing pre-match nearly brought a lump in my throat as I remembered the better times (you know when we'd have a shot on goal).
When the players names were read out - nobody cheered. They warmed up in the corner of Witton and Holte well away from the hardliners probably.
Thought Gana played well and Gil in flashes. Rudy was basically a lump. The space that Rose had in the first half was shocking.
Ayew hit a shot that looked more in anger than technique. Shame they almost made it to half time scoreless so then it was a question of how many.
Some real nasty spuds sitting behind me cheering loudly and basically taking the piss out of our club the whole game in the upper trinity which was sparsely populated.
You just carry the pain as the other Villans do, shrug in resignation and hope somehow better times lie ahead.
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It went more or less how I thought it would, start ok, knock it around abit, ride our luck, knock it around a bit more, fall asleep at the back andd conceed, conceed again soon after, game over, its pretty much how all our games will go until the end of the season.... I have no idea if its true or how he knows but one of the steward told us Tom Fox is a gonner tomorrow, thats about it really....
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Well, we're first on Match of the Day.
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It's just quite boring watching your team and knowing that once they go behind there is absolutely no chance of them coming back. Our attack is just woefully short of quality.
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the defence and midfield aren't that hot either
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The banner that caused the problems and on the Mail page there is a video of the incident.
Click me for Mail article (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-steward-wrestles-fans-11034159)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CddNocSXEAE-egQ.jpg)
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Garde reckoned our first goal was down to a lack of experience. So Guzan (31), Lescott (33), Hutton (31), Cissokho (28) aren't quite experienced enough to know not to switch off when you concede a free kick? What a piss poor excuse. It's just shit. He should be tearing them a new a-hole.
As for the notion that we played some very good football during the game? Well he's in danger of reaching Lambert levels of delusion if he's not careful.
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The club at the moment is a pathetic, small time, gormless shadow of itself.
It's not even Aston Villa. They carry and sully the name.
I won't be watching any more or listening to any more of their sales pitches, back covering, buck passing or their appalling excuse for 90's minutes effort. They can all fuck off.
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Garde reckoned our first goal was down to a lack of experience. So Guzan (31), Lescott (33), Hutton (31), Cissokho (28) aren't quite experienced enough to know not to switch off when you concede a free kick? What a piss poor excuse. It's just shit. He should be tearing them a new a-hole.
As for the notion that we played some very good football during the game? Well he's in danger of reaching Lambert levels of delusion if he's not careful.
where will those four be next season?
Portland Timbers, Retired, Sevco, Ligue 2 (on loan)
what moron gave Cissokho a three year deal last year, the mind boggles
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The banner that caused the problems and on the Mail page there is a video of the incident.
Click me for Mail article (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-steward-wrestles-fans-11034159)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CddNocSXEAE-egQ.jpg)
im about a foot out of shot and in the first 3 seconds of video. off to primark tomorrow to buy a double bedsheet
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Also some credit to the Spurs fans for starting a "Lerner out" chant and giving a load of grief to the private security clown who took the second banner.
Loved the "Lerner for Arsenal" sung by Spurs and Villa.
Thought the Spurs fans were pretty decent all afternoon.
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The club need to tread very carefully. Do that on another day and they'll have more than boo's to contend with. Probably a hundred fan pile in
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Well, we're first on Match of the Day.
No, think we're on last
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The Stewards who were looking to confiscate the "Lerner out" flag in the North Stand Lower were obviously acting under instructions given to them be club officials. The club has an uncanny ability to "if in doubt - shoot!" when it comes to these type of situations but sadly the only thing the Management Muppets actually achieve is, in fact to shoot the club in the foot to the extent that if Villa were a centipede we would probably have one leg left, such is the level of stupidity being exercised by Villa officialdom. Small minded pettiness simply aggravates supporters who feel that they are apparently "non entitled to an opinion."
As for the game, Villa plugged away but Spurs did not really have to break sweat in this game; they simply upped the pace when needed.
As for Remi Garde; seemingly a likeable man but not somebody who seems to be bringing anything out of the players at all.
The gap between the supporters and the club is bigger then ever.
Very pleasing that "pointless Gabby" was not involved in proceedings today.
Whoever thought that this group of players could make it at Premiership Level must have been on some pretty impressive Columbian marching stilton that had fallen down the back of the fridge.
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Didn't follow the game just watched Watford
beat Arsenal and West Ham draw with Man U at home in the cup semis.It left me wondering how difficult it can be to organise a team to go and compete in a game of football ? So many clubs seem to be able to do it yet we cannot get a result against anyone.
It must require a unique level of incompetence to achive our current level of uselessness.
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Just got back.
For the first time in 30 years I didn't want to be there and that makes me incredibly sad. I only went because my brother in law Spuds fan reminded me of an 18 years old promise!
I felt huge amnosity towards every single player. Somebody shouted at Lescott getting off the coach "what car do have now".
Hey Ho Silver playing pre-match nearly brought a lump in my throat as I remembered the better times (you know when we'd have a shot on goal).
When the players names were read out - nobody cheered. They warmed up in the corner of Witton and Holte well away from the hardliners probably.
Thought Gana played well and Gil in flashes. Rudy was basically a lump. The space that Rose had in the first half was shocking.
Ayew hit a shot that looked more in anger than technique. Shame they almost made it to half time scoreless so then it was a question of how many.
Some real nasty spuds sitting behind me cheering loudly and basically taking the piss out of our club the whole game in the upper trinity which was sparsely populated.
You just carry the pain as the other Villans do, shrug in resignation and hope somehow better times lie ahead.
Wow
I thought he had a shocker
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Didn't follow the game just watched Watford and West Ham beat Arsenal and Man U at home to qualify for the cup semis.It left me wondering how difficult it can be to organise a team to go and compete in a game of football ? So many clubs seem to be able to do it yet we cannot get a result against anyone.
It must require a unique level of incompetence to achive our current level of uselessness.
Man U v West Ham was a draw!
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I genuinely think we may not earn another point this season.
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Predictable save for the fact the goals against stopped at 2. Listened to it on 5Live Extra - seems we rallied when it was too late.
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Didn't follow the game just watched Watford and West Ham beat Arsenal and Man U at home to qualify for the cup semis.It left me wondering how difficult it can be to organise a team to go and compete in a game of football ? So many clubs seem to be able to do it yet we cannot get a result against anyone.
It must require a unique level of incompetence to achive our current level of uselessness.
Man U v West Ham was a draw!
Quite right. I've modified it .
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Have to say that the way the club reacted to a banner with no swear words etc on it has really pissed me off. Smacks of "pay up and shut the fuck up" which doesn't sit well with me.
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When words like "mathematically possible" appear you know that slow walk to the gallows has started.
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I genuinely think we may not earn another point this season.
Might scrape a draw somewhere along the line. Can't see us winning.
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It's been four decades since I've been to a Villa game and am amazed that security is that tight, in days past security wouldn't dare take banners away from supporters. It really is a dictatorship isn't it when the freedom to protest is removed, just shows how small minded our once great club has become.
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I genuinely think we may not earn another point this season.
I really don't think we will. Been trying to find odds for it online but can't find any.
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It's been four decades since I've been to a Villa game and am amazed that security is that tight, in days past security wouldn't dare take banners away from supporters. It really is a dictatorship isn't it when the freedom to protest is removed, just shows how small minded our once great club has become.
Even getting in to the ground is like gaining access to North Korea.
8 stewards - coat searches - hand held metal detectors.
It's getting less and less recognisable as the place I love every week .
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Joey Barton slating our full backs on MOTD, looked like Okore was more at fault playing them onside. Lescott nowhere
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There must be an ingenious way to get banners in, if there were fifty of them it would be hard for security to get to all of them.
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We are a shell of a Club right now, totally defeated and now paranoid about the paying customers - what a disgrace.
Just 6 pages of post match thread. If that doesn't just demonstrate to apathy levels then I don't know what does. There's just nothing left to say.
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Just got back.
For the first time in 30 years I didn't want to be there and that makes me incredibly sad. I only went because my brother in law Spuds fan reminded me of an 18 years old promise!
I felt huge amnosity towards every single player. Somebody shouted at Lescott getting off the coach "what car do have now".
Hey Ho Silver playing pre-match nearly brought a lump in my throat as I remembered the better times (you know when we'd have a shot on goal).
When the players names were read out - nobody cheered. They warmed up in the corner of Witton and Holte well away from the hardliners probably.
Thought Gana played well and Gil in flashes. Rudy was basically a lump. The space that Rose had in the first half was shocking.
Ayew hit a shot that looked more in anger than technique. Shame they almost made it to half time scoreless so then it was a question of how many.
Some real nasty spuds sitting behind me cheering loudly and basically taking the piss out of our club the whole game in the upper trinity which was sparsely populated.
You just carry the pain as the other Villans do, shrug in resignation and hope somehow better times lie ahead.
Wow
I thought he had a shocker
Agreed, absolutely abysmal, managed to pass to one our players around twice in the game. Has regressed massively this season, no killer ball and extremely lightweight. Definitely not made for the Championship.
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Gil is rubbish really. Good control and does the odd nice looking thing but most games he offers less than nothing. He's like a shitter Nathan Redmond. It's no wonder we're screwed when he's one of our most potent attacking threats.
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I genuinely think we may not earn another point this season.
Might scrape a draw somewhere along the line. Can't see us winning.
A draw against the Toon, depriving them of the points they need to stay up, would be the sole source of pleasure this season
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5 defeats on the bounce. Normally Villa fans would be up in arms, now it is our version of normal service resumed.
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5 defeats on the bounce. Normally Villa fans would be up in arms, now it is our version of normal service resumed.
And only 7 goals scored in our last 12 games I believe. Pat Murphy's 'month of the goal' quip is beginning to gather pace.
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5 defeats on the bounce. Normally Villa fans would be up in arms, now it is our version of normal service resumed.
Only 5? That's a decent run for us.
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Don't really want Leicester to win the league, but if these wankers win it , it will almost be as bad as chavski lifting the European Cup.
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Hutton and Cissokho are right up there as some of the worst full-backs I've ever seen, absolute dog shit players.
How anyone thinks they "put in a shift" is beyond belief. The reason why it seems they work hard is because they're always out of position, so they've gotta work twice as hard to still fail. Calling them brainless would be too kind.
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It's been four decades since I've been to a Villa game and am amazed that security is that tight, in days past security wouldn't dare take banners away from supporters. It really is a dictatorship isn't it when the freedom to protest is removed, just shows how small minded our once great club has become.
Even getting in to the ground is like gaining access to North Korea.
8 stewards - coat searches - hand held metal detectors.
It's getting less and less recognisable as the place I love every week .
I'm going to North Korea on holiday next month (yes really). I'll let you know how it compares. I'll be with an Albion supporting mate - I hope we get relegated while we're there and neither of us know about it for the whole week so by the time he finds out he can't be bothered taking the piss (to be fair he can't really be bothered now anyway - we are that incompetent...)
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I genuinely think we may not earn another point this season.
Just a goal would be nice
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Same old same old, predicted on the pre match that we would let one in and the next one would be within 240 seconds, only half time ruined that.
Nice to see Richards and Gabby dropped and if that does not highlight exactly who the main culprits working on the inside disrupting are, god knows what will, every time Garde has the options them to go.
The increase in security entering the ground they can hide behind terrorist threat, but surely a banner can not be classed under this, so they should have no right to stop them coming in or being displayed as long as there are no profanities on it, the only danger they present at Villa Park at the moment would be supporters wanting to hang themselves with them.
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Ayew is a central forward not a wide player so that is down to Garde but we have two full backs who cannot cross a ball and when they are caught on the counter attack we do not have the pace for other players to cover them. The only option I can see is to get another big bodied player up front with Gestede
and play Ayew behind them.
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It's been four decades since I've been to a Villa game and am amazed that security is that tight, in days past security wouldn't dare take banners away from supporters. It really is a dictatorship isn't it when the freedom to protest is removed, just shows how small minded our once great club has become.
Even getting in to the ground is like gaining access to North Korea.
8 stewards - coat searches - hand held metal detectors.
It's getting less and less recognisable as the place I love every week .
I'm going to North Korea on holiday next month (yes really). I'll let you know how it compares. I'll be with an Albion supporting mate - I hope we get relegated while we're there and neither of us know about it for the whole week so by the time he finds out he can't be bothered taking the piss (to be fair he can't really be bothered now anyway - we are that incompetent...)
Modern Liberal Democracies seem very keen on freedom of speech providing you're using the same hymn sheet.
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these match threads get smaller
we have all definitely had enough
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The stewards at the back of the Holte have come in for some stick and a group moved in right at the end yesterday - no banners but I don't think they like us banging the seats...
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Gil is rubbish really. Good control and does the odd nice looking thing but most games he offers less than nothing. He's like a shitter Nathan Redmond. It's no wonder we're screwed when he's one of our most potent attacking threats.
You have to be careful saying that sort of thing round here - there's still plenty on here who think he's a footballer rather someone who actually works in a tapas bar and has borrowed a shirt off one of his customers.
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Why? surely he's entitled to his opinion?
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Of course he is - and I was agreeing with it as I thought I'd made very clear.
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Gil is rubbish really. Good control and does the odd nice looking thing but most games he offers less than nothing. He's like a shitter Nathan Redmond. It's no wonder we're screwed when he's one of our most potent attacking threats.
You have to be careful saying that sort of thing round here - there's still plenty on here who think he's a footballer rather someone who actually works in a tapas bar and has borrowed a shirt off one of his customers.
Gil seems to me to lack any acceleration so, despite having quick feet, having no turn of pace means that he rarely gets away from anyone.
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apologies oldhill, this current situation has addled my brain
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Agreed.
His touch is poor too - as I've said before and was derided for. By that I mean he doesn't use his first touch to move the ball into space from where he can beat a man or create something. Without pace or touch he's a basket case when it comes to playing attacking midfield.
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Gil for me, (along with Hutton, Westwood and Cissokho), for all their involvement, effort and busy-ness, produce absolutely zero end product. I would much rather we gave Green and other young players a start ahead of these tired excuses for footballers.
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well just watched MOTD . yes we were rubbish could have been 3 down at HT but I must say when spurs took the free kick for the first goal , I would have liked it to be taken where the foul actually took place.
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gestede you have to score that
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garde is really going grey too
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The club is like a turd that has somehow resisted numerous flushes - but has now crept round the other side of the u-bend: awaiting the inevitable final flush into oblivion.
So many congratulations to Lerner, Fox & Co. You've really done us proud.
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garde is really going grey too
I said to watch his hair the day he signed, and compare it to the day he leaves. I reckon he'll look like Ian Lavender by the time he bails.
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We have a lot of poor players that are not up to the standard required for the Premier League today. However, I do not go along with the abusive comments when they are playing somewhere near their ability level. I would save that for players that are either not trying or deliberately causing trouble.
We have too many players that have flattered to deceive e.g. Hutton running up the wing a lot covering the fact that other areas of his game are poor, Guzan's great saves hiding poor distribution and decision making, Westwood's neat and tidy hiding weaknesses that are essential in the position he plays, Gill's neat play at times hiding his lack of penetration, pace and physical weakness etc., etc.
Fans naturally take a liking to players for varying reasons and defend them by criticising others. It has always been like this and probably always will be but we have to be honest with ourselves on the true ability and what they bring to the team. We have to take the opportunity with relegation and the bit of a 'breather' it gives us to clear the decks.
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Admittedly only seen highlights on MOTD but we could have been 4 or 5 down at half time despite a supposed improved performance. I'd be surprised if we got a single point between now and the end of the season, these players are disgraceful.
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Another 'meh' afternoon at VP. We should have had a consolation goal with those two sitters at the end, Lescott especially. We were undone due to a lack of quality right through the team though, it wasn't a lack of effort yesterday, which hasn't always been the case lately.
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Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but Tom Fox was in America yesterday and in his seat was an Arabic looking gentleman so perhaps Fox was seeing Lerner to discuss a possible buy out by a wealthy Sheik? We can but dream.
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We have a lot of poor players that are not up to the standard required for the Premier League today. However, I do not go along with the abusive comments when they are playing somewhere near their ability level. I would save that for players that are either not trying or deliberately causing trouble.
We have too many players that have flattered to deceive e.g. Hutton running up the wing a lot covering the fact that other areas of his game are poor, Guzan's great saves hiding poor distribution and decision making, Westwood's neat and tidy hiding weaknesses that are essential in the position he plays, Gill's neat play at times hiding his lack of penetration, pace and physical weakness etc., etc.
Fans naturally take a liking to players for varying reasons and defend them by criticising others. It has always been like this and probably always will be but we have to be honest with ourselves on the true ability and what they bring to the team. We have to take the opportunity with relegation and the bit of a 'breather' it gives us to clear the decks.
What worries me is that unless something happens regarding Lerner either selling or re-engaging, the large majority of this squad will still be in place come August, and, if, McGrath-willing, we do come straight back up, they'll still be here the following August.
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I saw John Gregory pre game, he looks really well.
Just thought I'd mention it
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Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but Tom Fox was in America yesterday and in his seat was an Arabic looking gentleman so perhaps Fox was seeing Lerner to discuss a possible buy out by a wealthy Sheik? We can but dream.
Fox may be sacked, that's where the good news will end.
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I had no intention of joining the otd on 74 protests even though I totally respect the guys who are doing it. However I was clock watching after spurs 2nd goal. On 74 minutes I took the opportunity to drag myself out of my seat and head off to a warm pub. Before this season I have always stayed to the death. They have sucked the life/enthusiasm out of me and I really really hate the bastards for it.
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Don't think we played overly bad in the first half although huge lapses in concentration could have cost us earlier than it did. After that it was just like all the other games, heads dropped, confidence drained and the game was over. Veretout looked more suited in the advanced role, Gestede showed why he'd be a better sub than playing from the start and Gil would be better off playing Spanish football.
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It's been four decades since I've been to a Villa game and am amazed that security is that tight, in days past security wouldn't dare take banners away from supporters. It really is a dictatorship isn't it when the freedom to protest is removed, just shows how small minded our once great club has become.
Even getting in to the ground is like gaining access to North Korea.
8 stewards - coat searches - hand held metal detectors.
It's getting less and less recognisable as the place I love every week .
I'm going to North Korea on holiday next month (yes really). I'll let you know how it compares. I'll be with an Albion supporting mate - I hope we get relegated while we're there and neither of us know about it for the whole week so by the time he finds out he can't be bothered taking the piss (to be fair he can't really be bothered now anyway - we are that incompetent...)
Are you going with Koryo Tours in Beijing? Friends have used them and they are excellent.
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It's been four decades since I've been to a Villa game and am amazed that security is that tight, in days past security wouldn't dare take banners away from supporters. It really is a dictatorship isn't it when the freedom to protest is removed, just shows how small minded our once great club has become.
Even getting in to the ground is like gaining access to North Korea.
8 stewards - coat searches - hand held metal detectors.
It's getting less and less recognisable as the place I love every week .
I'm going to North Korea on holiday next month (yes really). I'll let you know how it compares. I'll be with an Albion supporting mate - I hope we get relegated while we're there and neither of us know about it for the whole week so by the time he finds out he can't be bothered taking the piss (to be fair he can't really be bothered now anyway - we are that incompetent...)
Are you going with Koryo Tours in Beijing? Friends have used them and they are excellent.
I've read a couple of books on North Korea. One by John Sweeney and also a chapter in a book by Dom Joly when he went there which was highly amusing and a bit scary.
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There must be an ingenious way to get banners in, if there were fifty of them it would be hard for security to get to all of them.
The obvious way is to take in individual letters and just hold them above heads to spell out different insults / comments / feelings. A little bit of organisation required but not beyond the wit of man.
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Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but Tom Fox was in America yesterday and in his seat was an Arabic looking gentleman so perhaps Fox was seeing Lerner to discuss a possible buy out by a wealthy Sheik? We can but dream.
Fox may be sacked, that's where the good news will end.
Yes but only because he is expensive not because it will be part of some overdue revolution.
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It's been four decades since I've been to a Villa game and am amazed that security is that tight, in days past security wouldn't dare take banners away from supporters. It really is a dictatorship isn't it when the freedom to protest is removed, just shows how small minded our once great club has become.
Even getting in to the ground is like gaining access to North Korea.
8 stewards - coat searches - hand held metal detectors.
It's getting less and less recognisable as the place I love every week .
I'm going to North Korea on holiday next month (yes really). I'll let you know how it compares. I'll be with an Albion supporting mate - I hope we get relegated while we're there and neither of us know about it for the whole week so by the time he finds out he can't be bothered taking the piss (to be fair he can't really be bothered now anyway - we are that incompetent...)
Are you going with Koryo Tours in Beijing? Friends have used them and they are excellent.
I've read a couple of books on North Korea. One by John Sweeney and also a chapter in a book by Dom Joly when he went there which was highly amusing and a bit scary.
I have about 4-5 friends who have been ( all with Koryo, including a friend's sister who has made a few films there) and they have all found it fascinating. One friend reckons the hardest part is letting go of your preconceptions and cynicism, and she had a lovely random hour in a park with locals when she was off the lead.
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Don't know if it's been mentioned but it got quite tense in the Lower Holte at one point and the stewards had to intervene.
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Well that's another meh result - at least we only let 2 in so I guess that's progress. I think we can finally say the 'buy them cheap and make them better' tactic has definitely had it's chance and failed, woefully. Can we do it the normal way next time? We'll probably be down after the Bournemouth game so at least we can play the kids and get behind them.
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Don't know if it's been mentioned but it got quite tense in the Lower Holte at one point and the stewards had to intervene.
I didon't bother going but got very ratty at the Scouse games with those showing off as to who was the angriest. Something similar this time?
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Don't know if it's been mentioned but it got quite tense in the Lower Holte at one point and the stewards had to intervene.
What was going off then?