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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2014, 01:27:10 PM
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Shouldn't we start a thread for Sanchez seeing as everything is pointing to this being rather close? Or is it still a bit premature to do so?
ITSOTP
I get that, but we've started dedicated threads for players prior to them actually signing when there is enough evidence to justify it.
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This deal is a lot more complicated though with third party ownerships etc., so probably best to wait until it's officially announced.
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Shouldn't we start a thread for Sanchez seeing as everything is pointing to this being rather close? Or is it still a bit premature to do so?
ITSOTP
I get that, but we've started dedicated threads for players prior to them actually signing when there is enough evidence to justify it.
The article says he will not dress again for Elche. That's good enough for me assuming they're referring to football.
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Shouldn't we start a thread for Sanchez seeing as everything is pointing to this being rather close? Or is it still a bit premature to do so?
ITSOTP
I get that, but we've started dedicated threads for players prior to them actually signing when there is enough evidence to justify it.
Better?
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I'd be delighted if we announced his signing along with new contracts for Delph and Vlaar today.
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Any photos yet? The suspense is doing my head in!
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Shouldn't we start a thread for Sanchez seeing as everything is pointing to this being rather close? Or is it still a bit premature to do so?
ITSOTP
I get that, but we've started dedicated threads for players prior to them actually signing when there is enough evidence to justify it.
Better?
Merci Dave
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He had a decent World Cup but that's all I know about him
I worry about reading the same stuff prior to signing Nzogbia, you know 'exactly the sort of player what we need' stuff,
I hope if he comes he doesn't go the same way
But unfortunately I do have doubts
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I worry about reading exactly the same stuff prior to signing Nzogbia, you know 'exactly the sort of player what we need' stuff,
I hope if he comes he doesn't go the same way
But unfortunately I do have doubts
What, you'd prefer people to say "we don't really need him and he's quite rubbish"? I'm genuinely struggling to understand your comparison to the n'zogbia transfer.
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So What do we know about him?
Apart from being Colombian, playing for Elche and having a 1970's Afro.
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I wonder if Mr Sanchez has had a word with a certain JPA
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I prefer us to sign a player that ticks the 'exactly what we need' box. Of course he may not work out, you could say that whether he ticked the box or not though. At least we are signing (or trying to) a player to fill an obvious weakness in the side.
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From all i have read he is a great defensive player but technically limited. Still need a ball player like Ki with him i reckon.
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The thing is with our current approach to things financially, we're not in the position to sign someone who's at a level where we can pretty much guarantee they'll succeed. So considering that, a Colombian international in a position we badly need, who played well at the World Cup is about as good as we can hope for.
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So What do we know about him?
Apart from being Colombian, playing for Elche and having a 1970's Afro.
Total hipster.
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Has the 2pm presser started ?
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From all i have read he is a great defensive player but technically limited. Still need a ball player like Ki with him i reckon.
Apparently the Ki deal is dead due to him wanting 65k a week with a 10k win bonus on top.
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I worry about reading exactly the same stuff prior to signing Nzogbia, you know 'exactly the sort of player what we need' stuff,
I hope if he comes he doesn't go the same way
But unfortunately I do have doubts
What, you'd prefer people to say "we don't really need him and he's quite rubbish"? I'm genuinely struggling to understand your comparison to the n'zogbia transfer.
It's just a personal comparison
I knew little about Nzogbia when he signed, but reading the Nzogbia thread posters who I assumed knew a lot more about him than me were saying what a cracking player he was and we were all taking the piss out of Sunderland because we had got him and they hadn't
Only to find out he wasn't a cracking player, in fact most of the time was complete rubbish or injured
So my comparison is that I know very little about Sanchez, but other posters who I assume know more than me are saying the same things they said about Nzogbia
I'm just saying I don't reckon we know much about him and hope he not as bad a signing as Zog
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From all i have read he is a great defensive player but technically limited. Still need a ball player like Ki with him i reckon.
Apparently the Ki deal is dead due to him wanting 65k a week with a 10k win bonus on top.
So £65k a week then
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From all i have read he is a great defensive player but technically limited. Still need a ball player like Ki with him i reckon.
Apparently the Ki deal is dead due to him wanting 65k a week with a 10k win bonus on top.
So £65k a week then
Boom!
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I'm here all week. Try the veal!
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From all i have read he is a great defensive player but technically limited. Still need a ball player like Ki with him i reckon.
Apparently the Ki deal is dead due to him wanting 65k a week with a 10k win bonus on top.
He can have the extra 10k, providing he scores every goal, provides himself with every chance, and clears up all those minging chip cartons smeared with curry sauce littering the terraces after the match.
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From all i have read he is a great defensive player but technically limited. Still need a ball player like Ki with him i reckon.
Apparently the Ki deal is dead due to him wanting 65k a week with a 10k win bonus on top.
So £65k a week then
Wahahahaha. Laughed so hard I nearly woke my daughter up!
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Oh bloody hell...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-speaks-7615043
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Well that was a waste of time.
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No new billionaire owner/Vlaar and Delph signed up to new contracts then.
What was the point of the conference?
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Oh bloody hell...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-speaks-7615043
Bloody hell what?
We haven't signed him yet, so Lambert won't wind down his window and lean out of his car to tell us what a triffic', triffic' player he is.
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No new billionaire owner/Vlaar and Delph signed up to new contracts then.
What was the point of the conference?
They always do one a couple of days before a game.
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No new billionaire owner/Vlaar and Delph signed up to new contracts then.
What was the point of the conference?
Standard Thursday PC when there's a game on the Saturday
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So basically miles away from signing him. Typical villa.
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Jumped the gun with this thread though.
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So basically miles away from signing him. Typical villa.
How do you work that one out?
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Where does Lambert say we're miles away from signing him?
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Where does he say we're miles away from signing him?
In his head.
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So basically miles away from signing him. Typical villa.
Typical in what way? Virtually every signing Lambert makes is completed within hours of the media getting wind of it. We have one negotiation complicated by outside factors and it's "typical Villa."
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Oh bloody hell...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-speaks-7615043
Bloody hell what?
We haven't signed him yet, so Lambert won't wind down his window and lean out of his car to tell us what a triffic', triffic' player he is.
Bloody hell the saga continues. Hope that's ok?
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Put your tampon back in. Its hardly a saga is it?
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So basically miles away from signing him. Typical villa.
Typical whinge.
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Considering the hassles with the JPA and Tevez third party stuff after they had been signed i'm not surprised it is taking a while.
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48 hours to season kick off and we've done nowhere near enough this summer.
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48 hours to season kick off and we've done nowhere near enough this summer.
48 hours to the season kick off and you're still fucking moaning.
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Is that the Eastenders map?
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so has he signed?
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I seriously dont get why some on here 'support' AVFC. Moan, bitch, whinge slag the club off.
Try supporting for a change.
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Put your tampon back in. Its hardly a saga is it?
Tampon? Wow. And from the hilarity of of your other posts I'd guessed you were older than 13.
It's a saga in that it's taking up an awful lot of time and energy on forums and social-media and there's still no concrete news. Also, in that there have been conflicting reports as to how far along the deal is/isn't.
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I seriously dont get why some on here 'support' AVFC. Moan, bitch, whinge slag the club off.
Try supporting for a change.
I can understand complaining but I can't understand saying something that clearly isn't true just to excuse another chance to moan.
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Put your tampon back in. Its hardly a saga is it?
Tampon? Wow. And from the hilarity of of your other posts I'd guessed you were older than 13.
It's a saga in that it's taking up an awful lot of time and energy on forums and social-media and there's still no concrete news. Also, in that there have been conflicting reports as to how far along the deal is/isn't.
So because you're spending a lot of time on a forum and talking about a subject, that makes it a saga? The manager was asked a question, he used a lot of words to say no comment.
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The fact he said 'the next few days' suggests it's in the pipeline to me. There are plenty of reasons to complain, I agree that at the moment we haven't done anywhere near enough in the transfer window. However I don't think there's much to complain about with the Sanchez deal.
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I seriously dont get why some on here 'support' AVFC. Moan, bitch, whinge slag the club off.
Try supporting for a change.
I can understand complaining but I can't understand saying something that clearly isn't true just to excuse another chance to moan.
Benteke deal dragged on, he went on strike remember, vlaar rumbled on - recall he was spotted at b6 then nothing for days. And what news on new deals for Delph & vlaar. Ah yes, nothing.
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I seriously dont get why some on here 'support' AVFC. Moan, bitch, whinge slag the club off.
Try supporting for a change.
I can understand complaining but I can't understand saying something that clearly isn't true just to excuse another chance to moan.
Benteke deal dragged on, he went on strike remember, vlaar rumbled on - recall he was spotted at b6 then nothing for days. And what news on new deals for Delph & vlaar. Ah yes, nothing.
What was the press conference for? Was it to talk about the Stoke game?
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Dave. I love a moan but feckin hell some just slag the club off.
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Put your tampon back in. Its hardly a saga is it?
Tampon? Wow. And from the hilarity of of your other posts I'd guessed you were older than 13.
It's a saga in that it's taking up an awful lot of time and energy on forums and social-media and there's still no concrete news. Also, in that there have been conflicting reports as to how far along the deal is/isn't.
So because you're spending a lot of time on a forum and talking about a subject, that makes it a saga? The manager was asked a question, he used a lot of words to say no comment.
Yep, ok. I posted the link to the Birmingham Mail with the comment of "Oh bloody hell" as I think a lot of people were hoping the conference would be to announce the signing. We're in danger of boring ourselves, as well as everyone else, so we'll leave it there shall we?
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I seriously dont get why some on here 'support' AVFC. Moan, bitch, whinge slag the club off.
Try supporting for a change.
I can understand complaining but I can't understand saying something that clearly isn't true just to excuse another chance to moan.
Benteke deal dragged on, he went on strike remember, vlaar rumbled on - recall he was spotted at b6 then nothing for days. And what news on new deals for Delph & vlaar. Ah yes, nothing.
Benteke's club didn't want to sell him, Vlaar deal was delayed when we went on tour, Delph and Vlaar are still Villa players. Please tell me what's "typical" about that.
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I seriously dont get why some on here 'support' AVFC. Moan, bitch, whinge slag the club off.
Try supporting for a change.
I can understand complaining but I can't understand saying something that clearly isn't true just to excuse another chance to moan.
Benteke deal dragged on, he went on strike remember, vlaar rumbled on - recall he was spotted at b6 then nothing for days. And what news on new deals for Delph & vlaar. Ah yes, nothing.
What's the big deal with this, though?
The world and his wife know we are trying to sign him, and that he's got a messy contractual situation involving third parties. Lambert has been asked and clearly doesn't want to discuss it - what with this being the standard "thursday before the weekend games" press conference all PL managers do - so has deflected it by saying he hasn't signed yet.
What's the problem with that?
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Some transfer's are straightforward, some take time to complete for whatever reason. I can't see why people have difficulty in understanding that.
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I don't bore anybody with my wit, sarcasm, spiced with childish humour.
I didn't expect anything to be announced about signings at the press conference. We haven't unveiled a signing since Bent like that.
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Tw*tter strikes again:
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What a cap end. Its Edward Nigma.
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Is Sanchez still sitting in the Malmaison bar? That's the big question
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Put your tampon back in. Its hardly a saga is it?
It's a saga in that it's taking up an awful lot of time and energy on forums and social-media and there's still no concrete news.
That's hardly the clubs concern in fairness. They're not going to try and speed it up just so we can write Confirmed next to the title of this thread.
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Is Sanchez still sitting in the Malmaison bar? That's the big question
Nah he's in Sam's Bar at The Belfry.
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Anti-climax indeed :D Would have been by far our best signing of the summer IMO.
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Is Sanchez still sitting in the Malmaison bar? That's the big question
Well he is still there but no longer able to sit, he's collapsed into a pool of his own vomit and is singing Colombian folk songs at the ankles of passing strangers.
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Anti-climax indeed :D Would have been by far our best signing of the summer IMO.
Which isn't saying a great deal, really is it?
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Put your tampon back in. Its hardly a saga is it?
It's a saga in that it's taking up an awful lot of time and energy on forums and social-media and there's still no concrete news.
That's hardly the clubs concern in fairness. They're not going to try and speed it up just so we can write Confirmed next to the title of this thread.
I'm not sure where I've said that it is? My "Oh bloody hell" comment was one of frustration that this hasn't been put to bed yet. I've since been told by "TheAds" to put my tampon back in, and now you seem to think that I'm having a moan about the club.
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Think we all need to chill here, season is 48 hours away, we'll be moaning about the manner of the defeat soon enough..Tongue firmly in cheek here :)
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Is Sanchez still sitting in the Malmaison bar? That's the big question
Well he is still there but no longer able to sit, he's collapsed into a pool of his own vomit and is singing Colombian folk songs at the ankles of passing strangers.
Sign him up!
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Put your tampon back in. Its hardly a saga is it?
It's a saga in that it's taking up an awful lot of time and energy on forums and social-media and there's still no concrete news.
That's hardly the clubs concern in fairness. They're not going to try and speed it up just so we can write Confirmed next to the title of this thread.
I'm not sure where I've said that it is? My "Oh bloody hell" comment was one of frustration that this hasn't been put to bed yet. I've since been told by "TheAds" to put my tampon back in, and now you seem to think that I'm having a moan about the club.
I told you to put your tampon back in for your fruity response to me.
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Put your tampon back in. Its hardly a saga is it?
It's a saga in that it's taking up an awful lot of time and energy on forums and social-media and there's still no concrete news.
That's hardly the clubs concern in fairness. They're not going to try and speed it up just so we can write Confirmed next to the title of this thread.
I'm not sure where I've said that it is? My "Oh bloody hell" comment was one of frustration that this hasn't been put to bed yet. I've since been told by "TheAds" to put my tampon back in, and now you seem to think that I'm having a moan about the club.
Well you were suggesting that the deal was taking a long time and that we don't know how far down the road the deal is so it was my assumption that you were responding to Lambert's press conference. My apologies and all that.
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Lambert made a point of pulling up Koeman for talking about other clubs players. He'd look a bit of a twat if he then did the same thing with Sanchez seeing as the deal is not yet complete.
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Put your tampon back in. Its hardly a saga is it?
It's a saga in that it's taking up an awful lot of time and energy on forums and social-media and there's still no concrete news.
That's hardly the clubs concern in fairness. They're not going to try and speed it up just so we can write Confirmed next to the title of this thread.
I'm not sure where I've said that it is? My "Oh bloody hell" comment was one of frustration that this hasn't been put to bed yet. I've since been told by "TheAds" to put my tampon back in, and now you seem to think that I'm having a moan about the club.
Well you were suggesting that the deal was taking a long time and that we don't know how far down the road the deal is so it was my assumption that you were responding to Lambert's press conference. My apologies and all that.
No worries. It's more that I'd like it done and dusted and my Twitter feed returned to it's normal offerings of shit jokes and people retweeting Katie Hopkins. Well, maybe not the latter actually...
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I like that Lambert is keeping tight-lipped. Proper respect and all that. Despite everything that's going on, we're still a class outfit.
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There are still 18 days to go in this window, so please do keep your pantyhose on everyone ;)
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Lambert made a point of pulling up Koeman for talking about other clubs players. He'd look a bit of a twat if he then did the same thing with Sanchez seeing as the deal is not yet complete.
Funny you should say that, it looks like Koeman's at it again.
http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/3875/transfer-zone/2014/08/14/5034136/koeman-would-really-like-vlaar-at-southampton
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Lambert made a point of pulling up Koeman for talking about other clubs players. He'd look a bit of a twat if he then did the same thing with Sanchez seeing as the deal is not yet complete.
Funny you should say that, it looks like Koeman's at it again.
http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/3875/transfer-zone/2014/08/14/5034136/koeman-would-really-like-vlaar-at-southampton
Fine, well if he thinks that Shane Long is worth £12m then we'll start the bidding for Ron at around £20m.
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I guess this is why we hadn't a dedicated thread for him.....
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Does he play in glasses? That's all we need a short sighted DM.
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Lambert made a point of pulling up Koeman for talking about other clubs players. He'd look a bit of a twat if he then did the same thing with Sanchez seeing as the deal is not yet complete.
Funny you should say that, it looks like Koeman's at it again.
http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/3875/transfer-zone/2014/08/14/5034136/koeman-would-really-like-vlaar-at-southampton
Fine, well if he thinks that Shane Long is worth £12m then we'll start the bidding for Ron at around £20m.
Why aren't Southampton done for tapping up? Is tapping up only against the rules when Villa do it?
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Koeman hasn't hinted that he's spoke to Vlaar. That's why. He's mentioned Vlaar directly, but there's no rules against that.
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Lambert made a point of pulling up Koeman for talking about other clubs players. He'd look a bit of a twat if he then did the same thing with Sanchez seeing as the deal is not yet complete.
Funny you should say that, it looks like Koeman's at it again.
http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/3875/transfer-zone/2014/08/14/5034136/koeman-would-really-like-vlaar-at-southampton
Fine, well if he thinks that Shane Long is worth £12m then we'll start the bidding for Ron at around £20m.
Why aren't Southampton done for tapping up? Is tapping up only against the rules when Villa do it?
When it's only us with a manager stupid enough to announce to the world that he is doing it, yes.
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Koeman hasn't hinted that he's spoke to Vlaar. That's why. He's mentioned Vlaar directly, but there's no rules against that.
Exactly. hasn't this debate been played out several times to the same conclusion??!
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Why didn't Barry get tapped up?
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Why didn't Barry get tapped up?
Because he was injured taking the penalty?
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Does he play in glasses? That's all we need a short sighted DM.
First thing I noticed Brian. Does he play in contacts? For a hard tackling defensive midfielder that might be a problem.
I do hope we sign him up. The first genuine signing that will give the support a bit of hope we can survive this season.
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Looking at a picture of him I remember him now. Specifically I remember my girlfriend watching him play for Colombia in the World Cup and saying "I don't like that bloke with the silly hair, he's a dirty, diving cheat".
Which is good, I reckon. We need more cheating bastards.
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Does he play in glasses? That's all we need a short sighted DM.
First thing I noticed Brian. Does he play in contacts? For a hard tackling defensive midfielder that might be a problem.
I do hope we sign him up. The first genuine signing that will give the support a bit of hope we can survive this season.
Andy Townsend always played in contacts. The reason he disappeared to the bench for quite a while in the League Cup semi 2nd leg in 1996 was he lost one and couldn't get another one in.
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Which is good, I reckon. We need more cheating bastards.
Absolutely, we've been too nice for far too long.
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We had Ashley 'Perfect 10' Young.
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He's exactly the sort of brute we need in midfield.
But let's not expect miracles. I suspect he's not great on the ball and that could slow down our attacks a bit. I still think you'd want Westwood in there picking it up off the centre backs ideally - if you can fit those two and Delph on the same team
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He's a ball-holding midfielder. Breaks the play up and protects the back-line. He gets a nose-bleed if he goes across the half-way line. Does an effective job. He'll allow the likes of Delph and Westwood etc to go forward. I think he'll be a more than useful addition to our squad.
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He's a ball-holding midfielder. Breaks the play up and protects the back-line. He gets a nose-bleed if he goes across the half-way line. Does an effective job. He'll allow the likes of Delph and Westwood etc to go forward. I think he'll be a more than useful addition to our squad.
Sounds like the Makalele-type player so many of us bang on about. If he does come to us, then provided he can track an attacking midfielder back into the penalty area, he'll be worth his weight in gold.
Westwood might be tidy on the ball, but there are krill floating around in the Pacific Ocean with sharper defensive instincts.
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Westwood might be tidy on the ball, but there are krill floating around in the Pacific Ocean with sharper defensive instincts.
Made me laugh...
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We had Ashley 'Perfect 10' Young.
And he was fantastic for us.
Admittedly, he was a USELESS cheat. You could tell he was diving even if you were looking the other way. Like the referee must have when he awarded that penalty against us for Manure...
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Carlos Cuellar might disagree...
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It's quite amazing to think we have had two Spanish full backs over the last decade and probably the only two Spanish players who were terrible in possession.
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It's quite amazing to think we have had two Spanish full backs over the last decade and probably the only two Spanish players who were terrible in possession.
I'd go as far as to say we managed to find the only two Spanish men on the surface of the earth with no innate ball skills at all.
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It's quite amazing to think we have had two Spanish full backs over the last decade and probably the only two Spanish players who were terrible in possession.
I'd go as far as to say we managed to find the only two Spanish men on the surface of the earth with no innate ball skills at all.
Yep, your probably right. Quite incredible really.
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We had Ashley 'Perfect 10' Young.
I miss him getting up from a dive, feigning pain and rubbing his knees Vic Reeves style
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It's quite amazing to think we have had two Spanish full backs over the last decade and probably the only two Spanish players who were terrible in possession.
I'd go as far as to say we managed to find the only two Spanish men on the surface of the earth with no innate ball skills at all.
We've been quite unlucky really lamptey was supposed to be the African Pele, salifou Togolese zidane.
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If sky sports said he not arriving Untill Sunday, then he's not arriving until Sunday
Don't know what all the panics about him signing before that
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Just the player we need.
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It's quite amazing to think we have had two Spanish full backs over the last decade and probably the only two Spanish players who were terrible in possession.
I'd go as far as to say we managed to find the only two Spanish men on the surface of the earth with no innate ball skills at all.
We've been quite unlucky really lamptey was supposed to be the African Pele, salifou Togolese zidane.
And not to mention, Fabio Ferraresi who was the next Roberto Baggio.
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It's quite amazing to think we have had two Spanish full backs over the last decade and probably the only two Spanish players who were terrible in possession.
I'd go as far as to say we managed to find the only two Spanish men on the surface of the earth with no innate ball skills at all.
We've been quite unlucky really lamptey was supposed to be the African Pele, salifou Togolese zidane.
And not to mention, Fabio Ferraresi who was the next Roberto Baggio.
And Ulises de la Cruz the Ecuadorian David Beckham
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Ecuadorian David Beckham.
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Ecuadorian David Beckham.
Sorry.
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So it looks like he's going to be announced today according to John Percy and James Nursey. Will be eligible for the Newcastle game.
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Pete Colley tweeting that he "expects" another signing (after Sanchez) before the window closes.
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Hope that's true.
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Pete Colley tweeting that he "expects" another signing (after Sanchez) before the window closes.
Gnarby?
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Lambert has confirmed one more in (after Sanchez) apparently.
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Lambert has confirmed one more in (after Sanchez) apparently.
I think it was more "hope" than "confirm". I would love it to be Ki but it is much more likely to be a loanee like Gnabri who would be great.
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Pete Colley tweeting that he "expects" another signing (after Sanchez) before the window closes.
Gnarby?
Wenger's supposedly said that Gnabry's currently injured, but if he was fit he'd be in the Arsenal squad (or words to that effect).
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Lambert has confirmed one more in (after Sanchez) apparently.
I think it was more "hope" than "confirm". I would love it to be Ki but it is much more likely to be a loanee like Gnabri who would be great.
Couple of midfielders have left Swansea so if that one wasn't dead I think it definitely is now, unfortunately. And whatever you think of their quality if we get Sanchez in we will have quite a lot of players who can play in the middle. If there is another one brought in I have no idea where it would be as we actually do have cover in most positions now, unusually.
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If sky sports said he not arriving Untill Sunday, then he's not arriving until Sunday
Don't know what all the panics about him signing before that
Yep, no panic. Colley is saying this will be confirmed today, so good to get that out of the way. Shame he can't play v Stoke but it's a long season
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Yep if it could be confirmed today that'd be good.
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Daily Telegraph Midlands football correspondent John Percy: Aston Villa are set to confirm the signing of Carlos Sanchez later. Will be eligible for the game against Newcastle next Saturday.
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Daily Telegraph Midlands football correspondent John Percy: Aston Villa are set to confirm the signing of Carlos Sanchez later. Will be eligible for the game against Newcastle next Saturday.
Presumably subject to a work permit?
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Possibly. Can't imagine he'll have any issues in that regard though.
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Possibly. Can't imagine he'll have any issues in that regard though.
I'd agree, but don't they normally take a couple of weeks to come through?
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Not if an non-EU national has been employed in an EU country I think. Helps the decision making process a lot easier and quicker.
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Apparently , no problems re a work permit.
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He's probably got a Spanish, or some other EU country, passport ir National Identity card.
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The Mail seem to think that it's happening:
Aston Villa are on the verge of completing the £4.7million signing of defensive midfielder Carlos Sanchez from Elche on Friday.
Subject to final paperwork progressing smoothly, the club hope the deal will be finalised in the coming hours, representing a significant boost for manager Paul Lambert.
Negotiations were complicated by the player’s third-party ownership but details have been ironed out and the player passed his medical.
Sanchez - known as the Rock for his solidity - has 48 caps for Colombia so there are no work permit issues. He played four times for his nation at the World Cup in Brazil.
Lambert has been keen to reinforce his midfield and Sanchez becomes his fifth summer signing, although he will not feature in the season opener against Stoke on Saturday as he has not trained with the team.
Lambert is hoping to add another fresh face before the close of the transfer window.
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Possibly. Can't imagine he'll have any issues in that regard though.
If he does, I hope you get AIDS.
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Harsh but fair.
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Possibly. Can't imagine he'll have any issues in that regard though.
If he does, I hope you get AIDS.
I met an Eritrean lad in Calais who reckons he can get you inside a freight container for €900
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He will make us much harder to dominate in midfield. He was very capable against Fred and Hulk.
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He will make us much harder to dominate in midfield. He was very capable against Fred and Hulk.
A cardboard box could have marked Fred out of the game.
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Possibly. Can't imagine he'll have any issues in that regard though.
If he does, I hope you get AIDS.
I met an Eritrean lad in Calais who reckons he can get you inside a freight container for €900
Have you got his number? He may be useful if we draw Blues away in the Cup
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Possibly. Can't imagine he'll have any issues in that regard though.
If he does, I hope you get AIDS.
I met an Eritrean lad in Calais who reckons he can get you inside a freight container for €900
Have you got his number? He may be useful if we draw Blues away in the Cup
We don't sneak in and out of their ground. Give the number to b-lose so they can leave their 20 old charabangs at home.
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We don't sneak in and out of their ground. Give the number to b-lose so they can leave their 20 old charabangs at home.
Corrie word.
*nods*
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Sanchez? Love it!..A bit of continental/Latin flair..like the Oscar and Hector Arce back before time began. Not forgetting Juan Pablo.
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He will make us much harder to dominate in midfield. He was very capable against Fred and Hulk.
A cardboard box could have marked Fred out of the game.
Hulk was as bad, I could have marked him out of the game and i'm shite
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We don't sneak in and out of their ground. Give the number to b-lose so they can leave their 20 old charabangs at home.
Corrie word.
*nods*
What does it mean? And who would say it on Corrie? Never heard it.
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Agreed they were pony and trap but credit is due to the defences that cut them down to size in the tournament.
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Charabanc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charabanc)
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Possibly. Can't imagine he'll have any issues in that regard though.
If he does, I hope you get AIDS.
Me too Percy. Me too.
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We don't sneak in and out of their ground. Give the number to b-lose so they can leave their 20 old charabangs at home.
Corrie word.
*nods*
What does it mean? And who would say it on Corrie? Never heard it.
Fred Elliot used to use it a lot.
basically, it means coach. On Corrie, they never get to coach for a trip, they always refer to "the chara".
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He will make us much harder to dominate in midfield. He was very capable against Fred and Hulk.
A cardboard box could have marked Fred out of the game.
Hulk was as bad, I could have marked him out of the game and i'm shite
I reckon Nathan Baker could have marked Hulk out of the game.
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That's stretching it a bit.
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He will make us much harder to dominate in midfield. He was very capable against Fred and Hulk.
A cardboard box could have marked Fred out of the game.
Hulk was as bad, I could have marked him out of the game and i'm shite
I reckon Nathan Baker could have marked Hulk out of the game.
The late Bill Bixby could have marked Hulk out of the game.
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He will make us much harder to dominate in midfield. He was very capable against Fred and Hulk.
A cardboard box could have marked Fred out of the game.
Hulk was as bad, I could have marked him out of the game and i'm shite
I reckon Nathan Baker could have marked Hulk out of the game.
ooowww lol 8)
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Has Sanchez got back on that plane?
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We don't sneak in and out of their ground. Give the number to b-lose so they can leave their 20 old charabangs at home.
Corrie word.
*nods*
What does it mean? And who would say it on Corrie? Never heard it.
Fred Elliot used to use it a lot.
basically, it means coach. On Corrie, they never get to coach for a trip, they always refer to "the chara".
eamonn can be forgiven for not understanding as the word is 'charabanc'.
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Possibly. Can't imagine he'll have any issues in that regard though.
If he does, I hope you get AIDS.
Me too Percy. Me too.
Haha, good sport.
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We don't sneak in and out of their ground. Give the number to b-lose so they can leave their 20 old charabangs at home.
Corrie word.
*nods*
What does it mean? And who would say it on Corrie? Never heard it.
Fred Elliot used to use it a lot.
basically, it means coach. On Corrie, they never get to coach for a trip, they always refer to "the chara".
Our mom and dad used to say it as well.
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Can we get back to the thread title please......Has he actually signed yet?
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No.
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When I was a kid it was always pronounced Charabang or, shortened to The Charra. I always thought it was a Brummie thing.
Over here in rural Ireland, many people refer to the Renault motor brand as, Ren-orl-t. That I can understand but how they get to pronounce Peugeot as Pew-gee-o I'll never know.
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Can we get back to the thread title please......Has he actually signed yet?
Yes, let's not post about anything else, just updates.
Still no.
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The longer this goes on and on I have the nightmare scenario of Arry jumping in and concluding a deal in 25mins.
Tuff Luck Arry!
Excellent Signing.
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Are the club going to confirm the deal? Is it complete? my phone's been going with mad from various friends who are telling me it's done - whilst trying to concentrate on my day job.
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@AVFCOfficial: A big welcome to @SanchezCarlosA who has joined us on a four-year contract. More to follow. #AVFC #WelcomeCarlos http://t.co/KEIHtOVa44
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Hallelujah!
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Welcome Chuck.
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@AVFCOfficial: A big welcome to @SanchezCarlosA who has joined us on a four-year contract. More to follow. #AVFC #WelcomeCarlos http://t.co/KEIHtOVa44
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Yesssss
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Good news at last.
Welcome to Villa Park Senor Rock
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One more and this wouldn't be a bad summer.
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He's signed then? Typical villa eh?
Welcome Carlos.
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Are the club going to confirm the deal? Is it complete? my phone's been going with mad from various friends who are telling me it's done - whilst trying to concentrate on my day job.
Looks like my post worked!
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Welcome Carlos
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One more and this wouldn't be a bad summer.
Considering the backdrop I'd be bloody happy with that, even if we don't get another in.
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Oh. Is that it then? Bit of an anti-climax really....
:)
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Yes get in, welcome Carlos!
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One more and this wouldn't be a bad summer.
I'd say this has been a very decent summer on a budget. Strengthened and deepened in the areas we really needed it.
Although I do remember getting giddy with excitement last summer when Bacuna and Okore signed on the same day. Hopefully this lot stay bloody fit.
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Excellent news, we have a strong squad ahead of the season now - top 10 worthy at least.
Rocky! Rocky! Rocky!
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GET IN!!
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Never in doubt ;)
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Fair play to the powers that be, it looks like a good signing from where I'm sitting. An established international who will actually do a job that nobody else at the club can really do. No doubt he'll take a while to settle, mind, so everyone will need to be patient. Best of luck to him.
Mind you, knowing our luck, he'll probably knacker his achilles on his first day in training.
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Great News, can't wait to see the new Viera (I hope) controlling midfields up and down the country.
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Well done Villa and another 4 year contract interestingly enough.....
So who next? Attacking flair please, the lad from Arsenal on loan? Highly recommended by a Gooner ST holder I've met on hols.
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That's great news. There has been a big hole in the middle of the park for too long now, allowing the opposition to waltz through and bully us at will. The guy doesn't have to be the best in the world, just fill the space up.
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After Benteke and Okore. Think this will be our most important signing. Welcome Carlos !
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Pathetic, He's done nothing in a Villa Shirt. What a load of shite, Lambert Out. Boooooooooooooooooooooo
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Haven't really seen much of him play but everything's crossed that he does well here.
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One more, just one more.
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I'm pleased with this move. If the defence does not improve (which we will see in due time) at least they should have some better protection. At least the Villa signings have had a forward trajectory with quality getting better.
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Welcome Carlos! Excited by this signing. Probably won't be match fit for tomorrow but looking forward to seeing him in action.
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Welcome Carlos! Excited by this signing. Probably won't be match fit for tomorrow but looking forward to seeing him in action.
Not eligible either. I don't think. Too soon.
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Welcome Carlos! Excited by this signing. Probably won't be match fit for tomorrow but looking forward to seeing him in action.
Not eligible either. I don't think. Too soon.
No you need to be registered by 12pm, he might have been but then there's his international clearance to still get as well.
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No 24 shirt
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If we could sign another international midfielder that'd be good. Interesting that the last two signings have been on 4 year deals.
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One more, just one more.
Ki please.
Do you know something?
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Feeling a lot more positive now - with Okore and (to a lesser extent) N'Zogbia back, 2 decent signings in Cissokho and Sanchez, and with Cole, Senderos and Richardson potentially slight upgrades on what we had last season we've got a half decent squad. Just need Benteke and Kozak back asap
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One more, just one more.
Ki please.
Do you know something?
Nothing whatsoever.
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Welcome to the greatest club on earth Carlos.
Typical Villa, signing players! I wonder if those giving the club stick yesterday for not having him signed will give them credit today?
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I was worried I'd jinxed things by asking for this thread to be created!
Really happy about this signing. And with players returning and yet to return looking forward to seeing how this plays out now.
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Now we just need to lock up Vlaar and Delph to new deals
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Indeed and another creative spark for the midfield as well really.
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We do though it will be interesting to see if having Sanchez allows someone like Delph to push on a bit and be about more creative
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Now we just need to lock up Vlaar and Delph to new deals
I'd actually be feeling, relatively, optimistic if that happened. Can't see it though. How many caps would Delph have by now if he played for some Sky-beloved team? Plus Vlaar's agent will be thinking he can pimp his client out for maximum moolah after his impressive World Cup.
I'll settle for at least one of them being here this time next year, but I reckon both will leave on frees.
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Now we just need to lock up Vlaar and Delph to new deals
I'd actually be feeling, relatively, optimistic if that happened. Can't see it though. How many caps would Delph have by now if he played for some Sky-beloved team? Plus Vlaar's agent will be thinking he can pimp his client out for maximum moolah after his impressive World Cup.
I'll settle for at least one of them being here this time next year, but I reckon both will leave on frees.
Delph would probably be sat on the bench at a moneybags club. Too many examples of that to list. He strikes me as a level headed bloke who wants to work hard and play every week, very much like James Milner...oh...damn!
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Welcome to the greatest club on earth Carlos.
Typical Villa, signing players! I wonder if those giving the club stick yesterday for not having him signed will give them credit today?
Credit to the club yes but we are still miles off where we should be.
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We're on the right road.
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We're on the right road.
All we have to do is carry on all the way to the end.....
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Exciting signing. He's a proven player in a position we've badly needed to strengthen for a while.
Attacking player next. Gnabry on loan would be fine.
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We're on the right road.
All we have to do is carry on all the way to the end.....
The way may be long, though.
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Welcome to the greatest club on earth Carlos.
Typical Villa, signing players! I wonder if those giving the club stick yesterday for not having him signed will give them credit today?
This.
As for the second paragraph, they very rarely do, PWS
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Carlos - welcome to AVFC
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This seems to be going rather better than expected. We'll all get vertigo if Villa stick around 12th place all season.
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Welcome to the greatest club on earth Carlos.
Typical Villa, signing players! I wonder if those giving the club stick yesterday for not having him signed will give them credit today?
Credit to the club yes but we are still miles off where we should be.
Where should we be? Begining to sound like Geordies.
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This is the first signing for a while that's genuinely excited me, because it's a position we've badly needed for a while and from what I've seen(albeit not much) he looks a quality player.
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A Guzan-Vlaar-Okore-Sanchez-Delph-Benteke spine is something to look forward to. If we can sort the, erm, ribs out then we actually might have a bright future.
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So we've signed Sanchez, Sisqo, Swiss Phil, Richardson and Joe Cole for less than it cost Saints to buy Shane Long. Mental.
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So we've signed Sanchez, Sisqo, Swiss Phil, Richardson and Joe Cole for less than it cost Saints to buy Shane Long. Mental.
When you put it like that we've done quite well.
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So we've signed Sanchez, Sisqo, Swiss Phil, Richardson and Joe Cole for less than it cost Saints to buy Shane Long. Mental.
And after five years of sky-rocketing inflation in football Sanchez will still cost us less than Habib Beye.
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Plus the possibility of one further addition.
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Plus the possibility of one further addition.
G'Nabry, Moses, Ki ?
Who will it be.
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Good signing at last. The squad is at least looking better than last season.
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Welcome to the Villa, Rock! (And well done Randy for freeing up some funds for this sort of thing. This player might be the difference, who knows).
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I keep thinking we have signed Carlos and Sanchez
Welcome to wonderful world of Aston Villa Carlos - become a hero for us
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Don't know anything about him other than his fro is very impressive, and that's good enough for now.
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Plus the possibility of one further addition.
Did Lambert hint at this?
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Pete Colley, I think.
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Desde una tierra llamada Colombia un hombre llamado Carlos ha puesto una camisa que se parece a una pintura hermosa.
From a land called Colombia a man named Carlos has worn a shirt that looks like a beautiful painting.
Welcome to pure CLASS Carlos.
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Some thanks due in part to JUAN PABLO ANGEL , apparently ........................Godzvilla!
"It was always my aim to play in this country and in this league and I know Villa well as Juan Pablo (Angel, his compatriot) also played here.
"I began to watch Villa games when he came in 2001. He was a goalscorer who was very important to this club and I followed his time here because he was always scoring goals " .
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Plus the possibility of one further addition.
Yannick Bolasie ? , just a thought ..........................Godzvilla !
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Plus the possibility of one further addition.
G'Nabry, Moses, Ki ?
Who will it be.
Who knows?
Typical Villa.
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Plus the possibility of one further addition.
G'Nabry, Moses, Ki ?
Who will it be.
I hope it's chips, it's chips.
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So after everything's that's been said and with him trying to sell his main asset randy has backed the manager again. Lambert is a very lucky manager in my view.
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Plus the possibility of one further addition.
G'Nabry, Moses, Ki ?
Who will it be.
Can I be greedy and ask us to sign Ki and take Moses or G'Nabry on loan? Those two additions would see us a lot stronger than the past few seasons.
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Pete Colley said there will be 1 more.
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And perhaps Randy Lerner is not so deserving of all the criticism he receives on here. Some, yes, but not all.
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Plus the possibility of one further addition.
G'Nabry, Moses, Ki ?
Who will it be.
Can I be greedy and ask us to sign Ki and take Moses or G'Nabry on loan? Those two additions would see us a lot stronger than the past few seasons.
I've said loads of times I would love to see Ki in a Villa shirt but I think we went for Sanchez because we won't pay the wages Ki was asking for. In a way I don't mind that. You actually have to perform for us for a year or two before we offer those sort of wages.
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Good luck Carlos, let's hope you're as successful as Juan was.
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I hope he's more successful. JPA was good for about half the time he was with us.
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Plus the possibility of one further addition.
G'Nabry, Moses, Ki ?
Who will it be.
Can I be greedy and ask us to sign Ki and take Moses or G'Nabry on loan? Those two additions would see us a lot stronger than the past few seasons.
I've said loads of times I would love to see Ki in a Villa shirt but I think we went for Sanchez because we won't pay the wages Ki was asking for. In a way I don't mind that. You actually have to perform for us for a year or two before we offer those sort of wages.
This is probably the truth of the matter.
In fairness I really don't think we need Ki. He's a good player but too similar to Westwood and not the hard-tackling player we desperately needed.
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I take everything back. We're gonna win the league.
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Maybe away from home we'll use that formation. But I think Gabby and/or Weimann would be more likely to start out wide. If we were going with 433ish at home I think it would be 2 of Sanchez/Delph/KEA/Westwood and Cole/n'Zogbia as a number 10 then Benteke up front with Gabby and Weimann out wide. Richardson and Grealish would also be options.
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Think Hutton will start at right back, that team looks decent IMHO. I am hoping the signing of Sanchez brings out the best of the two lads in midfield alongside him, think Delph especially can prosper from it
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Guzan
Hutton Okore Vlaar Cissokho
N'Zogbia Sanchez Delph Richardson
Benteke Kozak
That's not a bad 4-4-2
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Guzan
Hutton Okore Vlaar Cissokho
N'Zogbia Sanchez Delph Richardson
Benteke Kozak
That's not a bad 4-4-2
Haha I agree a decent side but I think even Pulis and Allardyce would balk a that front line!
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Guzan
Hutton Okore Vlaar Cissokho
N'Zogbia Sanchez Delph Richardson
Benteke Kozak
That's not a bad 4-4-2
Not sure Benteke Kozak together would work ? Have they had any game time together yet ?
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No point in having a midfield if we're playing them pair up front.
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A couple of starts and a few times when one of them came on as a sub.
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No point in having a midfield if we're playing them pair up front.
Nah, it could work.
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Guzan
Hutton Okore Vlaar Cissokho
Delph. Sanchez
Bacuna
Richardson
Nzogbia
Benteke
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Does anyone think we will be 3-5-2 not Sanchez has arrived? If so can Cissokho play left centre back role?
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Whisper it very quietly, but now the 'young and hungry' experiment has been binned, is a decent squad taking shape here ?
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Whisper it very quietly, but now the 'young and hungry' experiment has been binned, is a decent squad taking shape here ?
I was just thinking the very same thing.
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Whisper it very quietly, but now the 'young and hungry' experiment has been binned, is a decent squad taking shape here ?
I was just thinking the very same thing.
Although players like Benteke, Weimann, Bacuna, Westwood and Okore who alk would have fit in with that strategy will probably all feature heavily.
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If the 1 more that comes in is a pacey forward option, we have had a damned good window, providing Roncrete is not taken off the shelf.
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Surely with this addition there should be at least one on the way out.
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Whisper it very quietly, but now the 'young and hungry' experiment has been binned, is a decent squad taking shape here ?
I was just thinking the very same thing.
Is it possible that this was the overall plan? Buy youngsters and get them up to Premier League speed and then start adding experience in the following seasons? It seems we now have a pretty deep and experienced squad assembled for relative peanuts.
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If the 1 more that comes in is a pacey forward option, we have had a damned good window, providing Roncrete is not taken off the shelf.
Totally agree with this, then we have players who can fit into different formations
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An astute loan signing and maybe one more creative, attacking midfielder and we will have had a great window .
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Is it possible that this was the overall plan? Buy youngsters and get them up to Premier League speed and then start adding experience in the following seasons? It seems we now have a pretty deep and experienced squad assembled for relative peanuts.
You think they planned this?
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This signing has made me more a lot optimistic about the coming season.
Welcome to The Villa, Charlie Brown!!
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Welcome Carlos Kickaballs
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Welcome Carlos!
"The Rock" ... love it!
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And perhaps Randy Lerner is not so deserving of all the criticism he receives on here. Some, yes, but not all.
I read that two weeks ago the clubs received the first tranche of the TV money. This coincides with when we started to look at spending money. It looks as though Lerner is going to allow spending as long it is from our income and not his pocket, which is fair enough.
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I must admit we are rather good when it comes to completing the deal. There is no drama no emotion no shenanigans. Just straight forward professionalism. Well done Villa.
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It is put of his pocket in the sense that it is revenue.
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It is put of his pocket in the sense that it is revenue.
What I meant was he has not had to invest more money in the club.
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Jesus, brave man putting Benteke in goal and Guzan up front.
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Jesus, brave man putting Benteke in goal and Guzan up front.
That's what O'Neill would have done except it would have been Kiraly up front.
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Jesus, brave man putting Benteke in goal and Guzan up front.
I know and I'd have Hutton left mid instead of Lowton personally
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Jesus, brave man putting Benteke in goal and Guzan up front.
I know and I'd have Hutton left mid instead of Lowton personally
Same here. And for all his poor form lately I'd still have Gabby in the starting line up.
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Can I lay claim for the nickname Carlos the Tackle?
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Can I lay claim for the nickname Carlos the Tackle?
Splendid.
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Guzan
Hutton Okore Vlaar Cissokho
N'Zogbia Sanchez Delph Richardson
Benteke Kozak
That's not a bad 4-4-2
Not sure Benteke Kozak together would work ? Have they had any game time together yet ?
Yeah, I think they were partnered together away at Albion last season and it didn't work at all. It's probably got to be one of those two with Gabby, Weimann or Bent.
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No point in having a midfield if we're playing them pair up front.
Nah, it could work.
The thing is, Benteke isn't a "big man up top" sort of striker. He can play as that, but he's extremely technical and skilful and much prefers the ball to feet. I reckon Benteke off Kozak could work. If it did, it would be very dangerous.
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Y'know, I'm starting to think that this season might not be as bad as feared.
Muddle thro' the first few weeks while the new players bed in and then hope that Tekkers comes back at his unplayable best.
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Is this guy an attacking or defensive midfielder?
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Can see it being that formation, but with a couple of alterations. I think Hutton will probably start over Lowton, Richardson over Grealish, Gabby over N'Zogbia and KEA instead of Westwood. I said it on this thread earlier, if we could just upgrade on KEA and bring in a decent wide option, we might just be OK this season. I think at home, we might either switch to a 3-5-2, or a 4-4-2 diamond with Cole coming behind a front two. .
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Defensive.
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Can see it being that formation, but with a couple of alterations. I think Hutton will probably start over Lowton, Richardson over Grealish, Gabby over N'Zogbia and KEA instead of Westwood. I said it on this thread earlier, if we could just upgrade on KEA and bring in a decent wide option, we might just be OK this season. I think at home, we might either switch to a 3-5-2, or a 4-4-2 diamond with Cole coming behind a front two. .
I think it'll be either this or 3-5-2 that's become quite stylish lately, suiting Richardson and Bacuna/Lowton as wingbacks. Would love to see how a front pairing of Benteke and Bent would get on.
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Can see it being that formation, but with a couple of alterations. I think Hutton will probably start over Lowton, Richardson over Grealish, Gabby over N'Zogbia and KEA instead of Westwood. I said it on this thread earlier, if we could just upgrade on KEA and bring in a decent wide option, we might just be OK this season. I think at home, we might either switch to a 3-5-2, or a 4-4-2 diamond with Cole coming behind a front two. .
I think it'll be either this or 3-5-2 that's become quite stylish lately, suiting Richardson and Bacuna/Lowton as wingbacks. Would love to see how a front pairing of Benteke and Bent would get on.
So what is your 3-5-2 line up?
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Can see it being that formation, but with a couple of alterations. I think Hutton will probably start over Lowton, Richardson over Grealish, Gabby over N'Zogbia and KEA instead of Westwood. I said it on this thread earlier, if we could just upgrade on KEA and bring in a decent wide option, we might just be OK this season. I think at home, we might either switch to a 3-5-2, or a 4-4-2 diamond with Cole coming behind a front two. .
I think it'll be either this or 3-5-2 that's become quite stylish lately, suiting Richardson and Bacuna/Lowton as wingbacks. Would love to see how a front pairing of Benteke and Bent would get on.
So what is your 3-5-2 line up?
Benteke Bent
Delph Cole
Richardson Sanchez Bacuna
Baker Vlaar Okore
Guzan
Something like that. God I hate trying to format these things! I'd go with Cole over Westwood in this one as I think it puts more emphasis on creating through the middle.
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I doubt Cole is fit enough to start.
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I doubt Cole is fit enough to start.
I think he means in the future. Benteke is in there as well.
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Can see it being that formation, but with a couple of alterations. I think Hutton will probably start over Lowton, Richardson over Grealish, Gabby over N'Zogbia and KEA instead of Westwood. I said it on this thread earlier, if we could just upgrade on KEA and bring in a decent wide option, we might just be OK this season. I think at home, we might either switch to a 3-5-2, or a 4-4-2 diamond with Cole coming behind a front two. .
I think it'll be either this or 3-5-2 that's become quite stylish lately, suiting Richardson and Bacuna/Lowton as wingbacks. Would love to see how a front pairing of Benteke and Bent would get on.
So what is your 3-5-2 line up?
My 3-5-2 line up would be:
Guzan
Okore Vlaar Cissokho
Bacuna Sanchez Delph Richardson
Cole
Benteke Gabby
Senderos could come in for any of the back three. Bacuna's pace would put him ahead of Hutton and Lowton for me, but both could probably do a job there. N'Zogbia or hopefully Grealish could play instead of Cole in the attacking midfield role and Weimann or Bent could partner Benteke instead of Gabby.
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Can see it being that formation, but with a couple of alterations. I think Hutton will probably start over Lowton, Richardson over Grealish, Gabby over N'Zogbia and KEA instead of Westwood. I said it on this thread earlier, if we could just upgrade on KEA and bring in a decent wide option, we might just be OK this season. I think at home, we might either switch to a 3-5-2, or a 4-4-2 diamond with Cole coming behind a front two. .
I think it'll be either this or 3-5-2 that's become quite stylish lately, suiting Richardson and Bacuna/Lowton as wingbacks. Would love to see how a front pairing of Benteke and Bent would get on.
I remember Benteke's home debut (might have been his actual debut) when he came on against Swansea in Lambert's first season. He partnered Bent for about 25 minutes and it worked well. Not sure how many times Paul Lambert tried it again, but I do remember him saying something that season along the lines of that particular partnership having been tried and not working.
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Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Can see it being that formation, but with a couple of alterations. I think Hutton will probably start over Lowton, Richardson over Grealish, Gabby over N'Zogbia and KEA instead of Westwood. I said it on this thread earlier, if we could just upgrade on KEA and bring in a decent wide option, we might just be OK this season. I think at home, we might either switch to a 3-5-2, or a 4-4-2 diamond with Cole coming behind a front two. .
I think it'll be either this or 3-5-2 that's become quite stylish lately, suiting Richardson and Bacuna/Lowton as wingbacks. Would love to see how a front pairing of Benteke and Bent would get on.
I remember Benteke's home debut (might have been his actual debut) when he came on against Swansea in Lambert's first season. He partnered Bent for about 25 minutes and it worked well. Not sure how many times Paul Lambert tried it again, but I do remember him saying something that season along the lines of that particular partnership having been tried and not working.
They played together in the 1-4 at Southampton.
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Have a feeling that we may be more solid at the back (providing we hang onto Vlaar), but its our goal threat which concerns me. A lot on Benteke when he comes back, but if he takes as long to get going as HD did last season, then we might have some problems.
Hope Grealish will get his chance, though I suspect he may not figure at Stoke. I heard Nigel Spink on the radio tonite saying he needs to go on loan for the season, but I cant agree with that.
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I doubt Cole is fit enough to start.
I think he means in the future. Benteke is in there as well.
That I did.
Potential starting XI next season now:
Benteke
Grealish N'Zogbia
Delph Westwood
Sanchez
Cissokho Vlaar Okore Lowton
Guzan
Can see it being that formation, but with a couple of alterations. I think Hutton will probably start over Lowton, Richardson over Grealish, Gabby over N'Zogbia and KEA instead of Westwood. I said it on this thread earlier, if we could just upgrade on KEA and bring in a decent wide option, we might just be OK this season. I think at home, we might either switch to a 3-5-2, or a 4-4-2 diamond with Cole coming behind a front two. .
I think it'll be either this or 3-5-2 that's become quite stylish lately, suiting Richardson and Bacuna/Lowton as wingbacks. Would love to see how a front pairing of Benteke and Bent would get on.
So what is your 3-5-2 line up?
My 3-5-2 line up would be:
Guzan
Okore Vlaar Cissokho
Bacuna Sanchez Delph Richardson
Cole
Benteke Gabby
Senderos could come in for any of the back three. Bacuna's pace would put him ahead of Hutton and Lowton for me, but both could probably do a job there. N'Zogbia or hopefully Grealish could play instead of Cole in the attacking midfield role and Weimann or Bent could partner Benteke instead of Gabby.
Not too sure about Cissokho at centre-half but time will tell!
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Apologies. I thought it was the line-up for Stoke. Wrong thread! Double DOH!
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Can I lay claim for the nickname Carlos the Tackle?
Splendid.
Agreed...very well played!
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Can I lay claim for the nickname Carlos the Tackle?
Splendid.
Agreed...very well played!
Best one since Congo Waring.
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Has he got a squad number yet? I'm currently out in Vietnam and my family are going to send me over a Villa shirt (haven't had one in years!) as a gift. I can't resist the opportunity to get Sanchez on the back of it!
What a cool bloody name.
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I think he has been given 24 but check the Villa website or twitter.
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Cheers. Just been on the OS and seen its SIXTY FIVE POUNDS for a home shirt with his name on the back.
I think I'll leave it.
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Cheers. Just been on the OS and seen its SIXTY FIVE POUNDS for a home shirt with his name on the back.
I think I'll leave it.
Let's all hope he's good enough to change your mind!
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Really hope this is 3rd time lucky for this position after the failings of djemba or makoun who were both trumpeted as being the real deal yet never got started in a villa shirt.
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Cheers. Just been on the OS and seen its SIXTY FIVE POUNDS for a home shirt with his name on the back.
I think I'll leave it.
Im coming out to Vietnam in Feb shall I just bring the letters you'll probably be able to get a knock off a lot cheaper!
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Welcome Carlos.
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Welcome Carlos.
Yes
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Currently netless and thus using wifi everynow and again at the local library. It's nice to pop back to H&V after a few days off (of constantly refreshing transfer thread) and see we've got a new signing. Impressive at the WC. Had a good debut season in La Liga. This is hopefully going to pay off and he's exactly the sort of midfield presence we're lacking. We tried to go the bargain bin version with Sylla but it didn't work.
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Welcome Carlos. We are getting a proper team together now! F*ck waiting on youth development sh*t!!
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Has he got a squad number yet? I'm currently out in Vietnam and my family are going to send me over a Villa shirt (haven't had one in years!) as a gift. I can't resist the opportunity to get Sanchez on the back of it!
What a cool bloody name.
24
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Welcome Carlos. We are getting a proper team together now! F*ck waiting on youth development sh*t!!
Oh, I say!
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It looks relatively solid but somewhat uninspiring.
Time will tell though, I think we've some good organisers and workers added this window, definitely some flexibility for cup runs too.
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Welcome Carlos. We are getting a proper team together now! F*ck waiting on youth development sh*t!!
More importantly, we've now got enough experienced players that bringing in someone like Grealish is ok, because he has experienced heads around him who can help him on the pitch. Too often in the last 2 years we've had no one for the kids to turn to. I still want to see the youngsters getting game time, but not all at once any more.
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Cheers. Just been on the OS and seen its SIXTY FIVE POUNDS for a home shirt with his name on the back.
I think I'll leave it.
Purchased mine. utv
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6"3 with Afro hair
Bag of coke, but we don't care!
Carlos Sanchez, Villa's COLOMBIAN was being sung at the Terrace in Stoke.
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I love his smile. And his kinky afro of course.
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Listened to the World Football podcast where a Villa fan asked Tim Vickery about Sanchez. Vickery was very complimentary. Said he's not at all flash on the pitch and rarely ventures beyond the half way line but he's an excellent tackler and fantastic man marker. Then told the story of when he completely marked Messi out of the game during the Copa America, leading to him being praised by coaches of both sides.
I think we can be very optimistic about this one.
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Listened to the World Football podcast where a Villa fan asked Tim Vickery about Sanchez. Vickery was very complimentary. Said he's not at all flash on the pitch and rarely ventures beyond the half way line but he's an excellent tackler and fantastic man marker. Then told the story of when he completely marked Messi out of the game during the Copa America, leading to him being praised by coaches of both sides.
I think we can be very optimistic about this one.
Good stuff, Tim's assesments are usually spot on
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Maybe this is why we are hearing the KEA stuff now, can move when we got somebody in
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Crikey, just watched a couple of clips of Sanchez on Youtube. What a powerful physique! Muscular biceps and forearms, big shoulders - a real presence in the middle. Looks ideally suited to the Premier League.
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Listened to the World Football podcast where a Villa fan asked Tim Vickery about Sanchez. Vickery was very complimentary. Said he's not at all flash on the pitch and rarely ventures beyond the half way line but he's an excellent tackler and fantastic man marker. Then told the story of when he completely marked Messi out of the game during the Copa America, leading to him being praised by coaches of both sides.
I think we can be very optimistic about this one.
Good stuff, Tim's assesments are usually spot on
Indeed.
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A lot of things new players and managers say when they come to the club is standard, nice throwaway lines but I love what this guy had to say, he sounds like a reasonably intelligent guy. The connection he had with us growing up, watching JPA, Makalele the guy whom he modelled his career on etc. He's a bit of a diamond in the rough, his career looks like its about to peak at the Villa and has steadily gained momentum unlike some players who land at Villa Park but perhaps feel it's below their station cos they once had a contract to sit on the bench somewhere on the continent. Sanchez is probably not gonna be spectacular but the word I like to keep hearing about him is 'professional'. Don't want to talk him up to much but I've got such a good feeling this guy will make us infinitely better as a side. The word linchpin comes to mind.
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An analysis of Carlos Sanchez (http://blog.umaxit.com/2014/08/16/who-is-carlos-sanchez-and-how-will-he-fit-into-the-aston-villa-side/)
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An analysis of Carlos Sanchez (http://blog.umaxit.com/2014/08/16/who-is-carlos-sanchez-and-how-will-he-fit-into-the-aston-villa-side/)
having read that I suddenly had a movement in my trousers normally restricted to Victoria Secrets models.
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Nicely balanced article that, thanks Leeg.
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An analysis of Carlos Sanchez (http://blog.umaxit.com/2014/08/16/who-is-carlos-sanchez-and-how-will-he-fit-into-the-aston-villa-side/)
good stuff, although when I read that opposing teams resort to going wide I winced slightly at the thought of our fullbacks being pressed into service.
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Last season I'd have agreed with you, but on yesterday's performance that hopefully won't be as much of a worry.
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An analysis of Carlos Sanchez (http://blog.umaxit.com/2014/08/16/who-is-carlos-sanchez-and-how-will-he-fit-into-the-aston-villa-side/)
good stuff, although when I read that opposing teams resort to going wide I winced slightly at the thought of our fullbacks being pressed into service.
but that suits us. With solid fullbacks it will usually mean balls being crossed into the area from deep which will suit our defence. We were caught so many times last season with the central defenders having to come out to meet midfield players attacking the penalty area and then slipping the ball through to another player.
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His limited passing range may actually suit us, paradoxically, because we've had quite a long time of immobile midfielders trying to hit the eye-catching ball instead of playing it short with sense and calm. We might be able to keep it better in the centre if we play with a little more judgment.
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I think Westwood will really benefit and when Grealish plays he'll be able to play without fear as Sanchez and Cissoco(?) will be watching his back
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I am assuming he will get a start next Saturday?
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You'd hope so. I'd bring him in for Gabby who, frankly, did pretty much nothing in the game yesterday, and play a solid 4-3-3.
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You'd hope so. I'd bring him in for Gabby who, frankly, did pretty much nothing in the game yesterday, and play a solid 4-3-3.
A defensive midfielder for a striker? Interesting.
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I thought the formation yesterday was very much a 4-3-3 with Zog-Gabby-Weim up top and Richardson in the midfield trio. If Sanchez is coming into the first XI then he's going to be in for either Richardson or Westwood.
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Richardson seemed further forward than Delph and Westwood, I think, and helped provide good width. I'd rather see him out on a flank like that, it suits him better I feel.
And yes, holding player in for striker would do us some good, considering that striker is Gabby, whose value to the side diminishes with each passing game.
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Crikey, just watched a couple of clips of Sanchez on Youtube. What a powerful physique! Muscular biceps and forearms, big shoulders - a real presence in the middle. Looks ideally suited to the Premier League.
Why don't you just get it over with and fuck him?
😛
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I saw him first...
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Crikey, just watched a couple of clips of Sanchez on Youtube. What a powerful physique! Muscular biceps and forearms, big shoulders - a real presence in the middle. Looks ideally suited to the Premier League.
Why don't you just get it over with and fuck him?
😛
Ha! Ha!
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Just seen the press conference and interview on AVTV. Looks like he's a little way off match fitness.
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Just seen the press conference and interview on AVTV. Looks like he's a little way off match fitness.
Are you saying you're leaving the field open for Villafirst?
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His limited passing range may actually suit us, paradoxically, because we've had quite a long time of immobile midfielders trying to hit the eye-catching ball instead of playing it short with sense and calm. We might be able to keep it better in the centre if we play with a little more judgment.
Indeed. It was the same with the defence at the weekend. We've had two years of full backs like Lowton, Bennett and Luna bombing forward at every opportunity and leaving acres of space behind them. All of a sudden, we put Hutton and Cissokho in, who realise their first job is to defend, and we looked 100% tighter. If all Sanchez does is protect the defence and then play simple five yard balls to somebody in the same coloured shirt, he'll do for me.
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I agree, to an extent, but we need someone else in there with a range of passing that he can play it too, and we need to ensure there is decent movement around him to get someone free. Reo Coker tackles, tracked, worked like a dog and did all the messy bits, but hardly ever found a team mate, we need to ensure that 1, he can, and 2, when he does they are actually capable of doing something with it. I like Westwood, but would prefer us to get someone like Ki who is very good at using the ball and passing it.
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I agree, to an extent, but we need someone else in there with a range of passing that he can play it too, and we need to ensure there is decent movement around him to get someone free. Reo Coker tackles, tracked, worked like a dog and did all the messy bits, but hardly ever found a team mate, we need to ensure that 1, he can, and 2, when he does they are actually capable of doing something with it. I like Westwood, but would prefer us to get someone like Ki who is very good at using the ball and passing it.
NRC used to win the ball, and then just run with it with his head down until he ran into an opposition player. I hope Sanchez has got more about him than that. Ki would be a good addition, absolutely.
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His limited passing range may actually suit us, paradoxically, because we've had quite a long time of immobile midfielders trying to hit the eye-catching ball instead of playing it short with sense and calm. We might be able to keep it better in the centre if we play with a little more judgment.
Indeed. It was the same with the defence at the weekend. We've had two years of full backs like Lowton, Bennett and Luna bombing forward at every opportunity and leaving acres of space behind them. All of a sudden, we put Hutton and Cissokho in, who realise their first job is to defend, and we looked 100% tighter. If all Sanchez does is protect the defence and then play simple five yard balls to somebody in the same coloured shirt, he'll do for me.
Yep and if he's mobile enough to cover ground quickly, it might allow the likes of Delph. I can still see us switching formation at home with N'Zogbia / Cole / Grealish playing in a more central role behind two strikers.
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I agree, to an extent, but we need someone else in there with a range of passing that he can play it too, and we need to ensure there is decent movement around him to get someone free. Reo Coker tackles, tracked, worked like a dog and did all the messy bits, but hardly ever found a team mate, we need to ensure that 1, he can, and 2, when he does they are actually capable of doing something with it. I like Westwood, but would prefer us to get someone like Ki who is very good at using the ball and passing it.
I think Ki and Carlos would try and occupy the same spaces too often. Personally I'd like a mirror image of Delph to play on the right. I hate to say it but Milner would be ideal (yeah, team I know, get over it etc). An alternative who might be available could be Dembele but that would also require Randy finding some spare cash.
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It seemed to me that Westwood was being forced to do both the screening and the spreading jobs in midfield, and his ineptitude at the former has prevented his really being able to focus on the latter, which he is actually good at. Hopefully Sanchez will free him up to do what does best.
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It seemed to me that Westwood was being forced to do both the screening and the spreading jobs in midfield, and his ineptitude at the former has prevented his really being able to focus on the latter, which he is actually good at. Hopefully Sanchez will free him up to do what does best.
Yes, we might well have the fabled "buzzer, cruncher and spreader".
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I agree, to an extent, but we need someone else in there with a range of passing that he can play it too, and we need to ensure there is decent movement around him to get someone free. Reo Coker tackles, tracked, worked like a dog and did all the messy bits, but hardly ever found a team mate, we need to ensure that 1, he can, and 2, when he does they are actually capable of doing something with it. I like Westwood, but would prefer us to get someone like Ki who is very good at using the ball and passing it.
I think Ki and Carlos would try and occupy the same spaces too often. Personally I'd like a mirror image of Delph to play on the right. I hate to say it but Milner would be ideal (yeah, team I know, get over it etc). An alternative who might be available could be Dembele but that would also require Randy finding some spare cash.
Totally agree re: the mirror image of Delph and we would need both to start chipping in with regular goals. To be totally honest Milner would be absolutely ideal in that role.
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Apols if already discussed, but I noted that Carlos spoke French in his press-conference and not Spanish. Any reason why? (I know he played in France before Elche for six years so he clearly has a command of it but it's not his native tongue). Maybe it was for the benefit of the liaison officer Lorna who was interpreting? Although, I'm sure I've seen an interview with her before where she says she can speak Spanish.
In fact, a big-haired midfielder talking in French at his unveiling press conference reminded me of Jean II.
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It seemed to me that Westwood was being forced to do both the screening and the spreading jobs in midfield, and his ineptitude at the former has prevented his really being able to focus on the latter, which he is actually good at. Hopefully Sanchez will free him up to do what does best.
Yes, we might well have the fabled "buzzer, cruncher and spreader".
I'd rather one be creator than buzzer, because I'd prefer all of them to buzz as much as possible.
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It seemed to me that Westwood was being forced to do both the screening and the spreading jobs in midfield, and his ineptitude at the former has prevented his really being able to focus on the latter, which he is actually good at. Hopefully Sanchez will free him up to do what does best.
Yes, we might well have the fabled "buzzer, cruncher and spreader".
Aren't those all types of cheddar?
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It seemed to me that Westwood was being forced to do both the screening and the spreading jobs in midfield, and his ineptitude at the former has prevented his really being able to focus on the latter, which he is actually good at. Hopefully Sanchez will free him up to do what does best.
Yes, we might well have the fabled "buzzer, cruncher and spreader".
I'd rather one be creator than buzzer, because I'd prefer all of them to buzz as much as possible.
I'm ok with the creator(s) being the wide forward(s) but if they are we really need 1 of the middle 3 to be willing to get in around the box and help either by getting on the end of things or by dragging defenders away from the others. That does depend on Westwood stepping up and taking on the responsibility of setting our tempo.
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If we can win at Stoke with just Westwood and Delph in the middle, and replacing Westwood with Sanchez makes us even stronger, then I can see Lambert persisting with 4-2-3-1 more often than not this season, except maybe when we're away to the top 7 say. We've Grealish, Cole, Agbonlahor, Weimann, Richardson, Bacuna and N'Zogbia for the 3 forward positions behind the striker as it is and it looks like one more will arrive given the links, so I doubt we'll have 8 players fighting for just 2 spots in the team, far more likely he'll play 3 attacking players behind the striker and just perm 2 from Delph,Westwood and Sanchez behind them.
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If we can win at Stoke with just Westwood and Delph in the middle, and replacing Westwood with Sanchez makes us even stronger, then I can see Lambert persisting with 4-2-3-1 more often than not this season, except maybe when we're away to the top 7 say. We've Grealish, Cole, Agbonlahor, Weimann, Richardson, Bacuna and N'Zogbia for the 3 forward positions behind the striker as it is and it looks like one more will arrive given the links, so I doubt we'll have 8 players fighting for just 2 spots in the team, far more likely he'll play 3 attacking players behind the striker and just perm 2 from Delph,Westwood and Sanchez behind them.
Unless we sign a top notch "10" I'm not sure we have the players for this. Any two CM risks getting over-run (see Eng with Gerrard and Henderson) and therefore I'd prefer a three, which kind of suits us anyway as Delph especially should enjoy the freedom of knowing Carlos is covering for him. In a two he would have to resist the urge to push forward too much. Westwood is not ideal for the third player but even so his strength (metronome type passing) could florish if he doesn't have to also be our defensive wall.
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It seemed to me that Westwood was being forced to do both the screening and the spreading jobs in midfield, and his ineptitude at the former has prevented his really being able to focus on the latter, which he is actually good at. Hopefully Sanchez will free him up to do what does best.
Yes, we might well have the fabled "buzzer, cruncher and spreader".
Aren't those all types of cheddar?
Sound like Ladies of the Night to me.
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It seemed to me that Westwood was being forced to do both the screening and the spreading jobs in midfield, and his ineptitude at the former has prevented his really being able to focus on the latter, which he is actually good at. Hopefully Sanchez will free him up to do what does best.
Yes, we might well have the fabled "buzzer, cruncher and spreader".
I think I've met all three on a night out at the strippers.
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... Personally I'd like a mirror image of Delph to play on the right ...
I always assumed that Bacuna was brought to play this role and he showed some glimpses of the pace and dribbling capability, although not consistently enough.
My view is that Sanchez' arrival is as much about providing significantly greater tactical flexibility as about correcting an obvious problem in a weak central MF. Sanchez should enable us to play 3-5-2 more effectively, as well as 4-2-3-1 (for example) and other set-ups.
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... Personally I'd like a mirror image of Delph to play on the right ...
I always assumed that Bacuna was brought to play this role and he showed some glimpses of the pace and dribbling capability, although not consistently enough.
My view is that Sanchez' arrival is as much about providing significantly greater tactical flexibility as about correcting an obvious problem in a weak central MF. Sanchez should enable us to play 3-5-2 more effectively, as well as 4-2-3-1 (for example) and other set-ups.
I think that's how Bacuna will develop as well, he needs to develop some composure and the consistency will come from that. He's still young enough to have time to work on his game.
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It seemed to me that Westwood was being forced to do both the screening and the spreading jobs in midfield, and his ineptitude at the former has prevented his really being able to focus on the latter, which he is actually good at. Hopefully Sanchez will free him up to do what does best.
Yes, we might well have the fabled "buzzer, cruncher and spreader".
I think I've met all three on a night out at the strippers.
Yeah, but did they gel together?
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It seemed to me that Westwood was being forced to do both the screening and the spreading jobs in midfield, and his ineptitude at the former has prevented his really being able to focus on the latter, which he is actually good at. Hopefully Sanchez will free him up to do what does best.
Yes, we might well have the fabled "buzzer, cruncher and spreader".
I'd rather one be creator than buzzer, because I'd prefer all of them to buzz as much as possible.
I guess it's more a metaphor for balance than an exact description, but those three together look on paper suited to each other, and I also think there's goals in Westwood if he's freed up to push on.
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Is the general feeling that Sanchez will play on Saturday from the off ?
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Didn't Lambert say something about seeing how things are by Friday before he decides?
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I would be very surprised if it wasn't an unchanged team. Barring injuries.
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It seemed to me that Westwood was being forced to do both the screening and the spreading jobs in midfield, and his ineptitude at the former has prevented his really being able to focus on the latter, which he is actually good at. Hopefully Sanchez will free him up to do what does best.
Yes, we might well have the fabled "buzzer, cruncher and spreader".
I think I've met all three on a night out at the strippers.
Yeah, but did they gel together?
yes, in the end
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It seemed to me that Westwood was being forced to do both the screening and the spreading jobs in midfield, and his ineptitude at the former has prevented his really being able to focus on the latter, which he is actually good at. Hopefully Sanchez will free him up to do what does best.
Yes, we might well have the fabled "buzzer, cruncher and spreader".
I think I've met all three on a night out at the strippers.
Yeah, but did they gel together?
yes, in the end
Did they meet a sticky end?
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I would be very surprised if it wasn't an unchanged team. Barring injuries.
Me too, we then have the cup game where he can give him a go perhaps.
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I'd be very surprised if he starts, he's barely trained since the World Cup
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It will be the same team as Saturday. I imagine Okore and Sanchez will be on the bench. Maybe even Cole after a good run out this week with the U21's
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It will be the same team as Saturday. I imagine Okore and Sanchez will be on the bench. Maybe even Cole after a good run out this week with the U21's
Lambert was quoted in today's Evening Mail saying how impressed he has been with Sanchez in training and that he could be in contention for Saturday. Joe Cole also got his aforementioned good run out with the U21s as well.
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Who scored.com - Stats
It's little surprise given that Sanchez hasn't committed a single error leading to a goal over the past four seasons.
Can we afford to leave him on the bench with stats like this?
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There is every chance that he may find the english game a bit of getting used to. A lot of players have come over and said how quick it is so let's not get on his back if he looks off the pace at first.
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I want him to start. He's undoubtedly a better player than Westwood so will improve the team immediately. Besides, he's had a few weeks of training to get to know the players and how he will fit into what PL wants from him
There is every chance that he may find the english game a bit of getting used to. A lot of players have come over and said how quick it is so let's not get on his back if he looks off the pace at first.
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Good ones don't. He's 28 and at the peak of his game and will know more about the game here than our younger regulars of last season.
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I want him to start. He's undoubtedly a better player than Westwood so will improve the team immediately. Besides, he's had a few weeks of training to get to know the players and how he will fit into what PL wants from himThere is every chance that he may find the english game a bit of getting used to. A lot of players have come over and said how quick it is so let's not get on his back if he looks off the pace at first.
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Good ones don't. He's 28 and at the peak of his game and will know more about the game here than our younger regulars of last season.
Maybe but look how long it took Petrov to get used to the Premiership although he was played out of position.
Maybe he will settle straight in but i'm just saying that it's possible he might find the pace a bit quick at first.
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I want him to start. He's undoubtedly a better player than Westwood so will improve the team immediately. Besides, he's had a few weeks of training to get to know the players and how he will fit into what PL wants from himThere is every chance that he may find the english game a bit of getting used to. A lot of players have come over and said how quick it is so let's not get on his back if he looks off the pace at first.
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Good ones don't. He's 28 and at the peak of his game and will know more about the game here than our younger regulars of last season.
Maybe but look how long it took Petrov to get used to the Premiership although he was played out of position.
Maybe he will settle straight in but i'm just saying that it's possible he might find the pace a bit quick at first.
Completely agree. I wouldn't start Sanchez on Saturday. I'd give the opportunity to watch the pace of the action form the bench, and have a couple of full weeks to bed-in at training. The worst thing possible would be for him to go straight into the side, struggle for a bit, and then the crowd start to get on his back.
Aside from that, I think all of the midfield did enough on Saturday to warrant starting against Newcastle.
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My new favourite player. Lovely floated pass.
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La Roca. He'll be good once he gets used to the PL
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I don't think it's a coincidence that we got some control on the match when he came on. His positioning is very good and his passing is accurate and unfussy. A proper deep midfielder.
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Pity about the booking after getting pwnd by Sissoko, mind.
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Good that he got a bit of time today. I think it might take him a few matches to adjust to the pace of the league and get back to match fitness following the world cup, but hope to see him as a regular fixture soon.
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Once he settles, if he can allow Delph to get a bit further forward and Westwood then only has to worry about passing the ball, then our midfield might start gelling a bit better and hopefully creating more. I also think Rico would be better playing wide and further forward.
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Once he settles, if he can allow Delph to get a bit further forward and Westwood then only has to worry about passing the ball, then our midfield might start gelling a bit better and hopefully creating more. I also think Rico would be better playing wide and further forward.
Apparently that's what he does.
He's quite happy to stay deep and do his DM job.
Might take a couple of games to acclimatise, but when he does I think we could have unearthed a gem
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I don't think it's a coincidence that we got some control on the match when he came on. His positioning is very good and his passing is accurate and unfussy. A proper deep midfielder.
I loved that all reports have had him as limited passer, and with his first touch he caresses a perfect 30 pass in behind the opposition.
I think their definition of a limited passer may be some way off ours as it stands.
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for all of the knocks against Lambert, and there are many that are fully justifiable, when he has spent a bit of money he's done so well in the market. When you consider Benteke, Kozak, Vlaar, Okore, and Sanchez cost between them around just over 20m; around what we got for Downing it's really excellent business.
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Whilst they have shown positive signs, we haven't seen enough of three of those to say whether or not they have been excellent business.
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Whilst they have shown positive signs, we haven't seen enough of three of those to say whether or not they have been excellent business.
Sanchez was very good at the WC and was highly regarded at his former club. Vlaar was outstanding at the WC and I believe if he didn't have Baker and also the likes of Luna/Bennett/Lowton etc etc we'd have seen him play even better for us. Benteke is well Benteke. Kozak had an excellent games to goal ratio prior to being injured. Okore has a lot of promise and we've seen glimpses so yes, we still need to see it for a length of time. My point being given what is being paid for players with next to no experience or any kind of body of work, I stand by what I said.
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Vlaar and Benteke obviously not in the three we haven't seen enough of.
Kozak, Okore and Sanchez have made 19 appearances between them. We just don't know if they are excellent business yet.
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Vlaar and Benteke obviously not in the three we haven't seen enough of.
Kozak, Okore and Sanchez have made 19 appearances between them. We just don't know if they are excellent business yet.
Would never have guessed it was so many. Does that include friendlies?
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League and cup.
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Wow, I guess Kozak accounts for the vast majority. Funny, I can't remember him making that many appearances, although he did cover for Benteke while he was out didn't he?
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The midfield three we finished with is the dictionary definition of a defend-and-counter midfield - Sanchez the deep stopper, Westwood alongside who can play good long 'out-balls' from defence, and Delph who can break forward powerfully and quickly. Not magnificent at breaking through sieges, so to speak, but very much fit for purpose.
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for all of the knocks against Lambert, and there are many that are fully justifiable, when he has spent a bit of money he's done so well in the market. When you consider Benteke, Kozak, Vlaar, Okore, and Sanchez cost between them around just over 20m; around what we got for Downing it's really excellent business.
Agreed, I think it's been the biggest success of his tenure so far. Maybe Roy Keane will take more of a hands-on approach to training and tactics and PL can get more involved in nurturing players.
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I think the presence of Sanchez had an immediate effect on Delph, suddenly he was breaking forward at will. Sanchez really looks a proper player and think he will be a major asset.
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for all of the knocks against Lambert, and there are many that are fully justifiable, when he has spent a bit of money he's done so well in the market. When you consider Benteke, Kozak, Vlaar, Okore, and Sanchez cost between them around just over 20m; around what we got for Downing it's really excellent business.
Agreed, I think it's been the biggest success of his tenure so far. Maybe Roy Keane will take more of a hands-on approach to training and tactics and PL can get more involved in nurturing players.
Also I'm still convinced going down the route we tried on such a low budget using these bargain basement signings and the youngsters which have come through no manager in the world would have achieved any more than Lambert has done himself.
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We'd also been under the cosh for a good 10 minutes before he came on. That changed almost immediately.
It was difficult to keep track of him watching on the box, but it seemed like be managed to position himself exactly where he needed to be to take away options in the centre of the pitch, all without moving much more than 10 yards in any direction.
Sort of like an anti-Pirlo if you know what I mean.
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there is definitely a presence about him. We all recall being at school when one of better players turns up to game during recess late and joins your team. You feel a little taller and more confident. I got that impression when Sanchez came on with some of our players around him, especially Delph. I suppose it helps instill confidence when the new lad has muscles that his shirt can barely contain.
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I guess he can't speak English?
And yet when he came on I noticed he didn't stop shouting and pointing...I like that.
We need leaders in this team.
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I guess he can't speak English?
And yet when he came on I noticed he didn't stop shouting and pointing...I like that.
We need leaders in this team.
like this?
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No picture, but I imagine its one of chairman mao
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Or NRC
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Any news on a contract for Delph? I think that Carlos could really allow him to shine which would obviously put him in the shop window.
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The midfield three we finished with is the dictionary definition of a defend-and-counter midfield - Sanchez the deep stopper, Westwood alongside who can play good long 'out-balls' from defence, and Delph who can break forward powerfully and quickly. Not magnificent at breaking through sieges, so to speak, but very much fit for purpose.
On the face of it, that's a similar balance to arguably the best midfield three (Draper, Townsend, Taylor) I've seen in my time supporting Villa. I still think we need a different option to Westwood in the three mentioned above and that Delph really needs to start adding goals to his game.
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Or NRC
i should have made clear that after the pointing there was some productivity. It would have eliminated all thought of NRC.
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Having watched the highlights on AVTV I thought Westwood looked good (on brief highlights admittedly) and his passing looked crisp. I see he barely gave the ball away either
I'm not sure that midfield three is über defensive, considering where we are as a team. The key is you need that extra solidity to mean we can play a quality and creative front three (which may require a signing or two), release Delph in particular to get forwards but also allow Westwood to play passes in more attacking areas, and let the full backs get forward
Having said all that, it's not going to be attacking enough for some home games in particular. But it should help us get a bit more of a grip on games. You'd have to hope that midfield could assert itself
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I think one of the biggest problems last season and probably the season before was the midfield, which might explain why the defence looked so poor. Richardson and Sanchez along with Delph and Westwood will hopefully make a difference.
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Or NRC
i should have made clear that after the pointing there was some productivity. It would have eliminated all thought of NRC.
Ha ha, yes that's true
Remember that time he couldn't control the ball and won a penalty at Liverpool for it
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I'll always remember a villa game we drew - not sure who against. NRC won the ball and we had a two on one. All he had to do was slip the forward in (gabby I think) but he passed it straight at their defender. It was so bad that I almost immediately gave up on him
I suspect there may be a point in weimann's villa career where I do the same. He is capable of breathtaking shitness sometimes.
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I think that was Newcastle or tottenham away.
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We played Chelsea in a Saturday evening game and Reo-Coker managed to find himself one on one with Cech. As soon as it was clear who was clean through, you just knew there was one outcome.
The game finished 0-0.
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There was also one game late on vs Chavski (I think) and he broke clear towards The Holte. As soon as I saw it was him my confidence went. He shot wide.
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Jinx!
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I'll always remember a villa game we drew - not sure who against. NRC won the ball and we had a two on one. All he had to do was slip the forward in (gabby I think) but he passed it straight at their defender. It was so bad that I almost immediately gave up on him
I suspect there may be a point in weimann's villa career where I do the same. He is capable of breathtaking shitness sometimes.
There was an instance on Saturday when Weimann, with the ball at his feet, no Newcastle player within 5 yards of him, and N'Zogbia in acres of space 20 yards away, managed to pass the ball straight into the crowd. He really is one of the most technically inept players we've ever had. Even his winner last week came after a terrible first touch.
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I'll always remember a villa game we drew - not sure who against. NRC won the ball and we had a two on one. All he had to do was slip the forward in (gabby I think) but he passed it straight at their defender. It was so bad that I almost immediately gave up on him
I suspect there may be a point in weimann's villa career where I do the same. He is capable of breathtaking shitness sometimes.
I remember that. Liverpool when we drew up there. Think it was the game Harewood scored that ridiculous overhead kick.
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I'll always remember a villa game we drew - not sure who against. NRC won the ball and we had a two on one. All he had to do was slip the forward in (gabby I think) but he passed it straight at their defender. It was so bad that I almost immediately gave up on him
I suspect there may be a point in weimann's villa career where I do the same. He is capable of breathtaking shitness sometimes.
I remember that. Liverpool when we drew up there. Think it was the game Harewood scored that ridiculous overhead kick.
Think it was actually the other way around and Gabby should have played in NRC, but tried to beat the defender and failed.
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I'll always remember a villa game we drew - not sure who against. NRC won the ball and we had a two on one. All he had to do was slip the forward in (gabby I think) but he passed it straight at their defender. It was so bad that I almost immediately gave up on him
I suspect there may be a point in weimann's villa career where I do the same. He is capable of breathtaking shitness sometimes.
There was an instance on Saturday when Weimann, with the ball at his feet, no Newcastle player within 5 yards of him, and N'Zogbia in acres of space 20 yards away, managed to pass the ball straight into the crowd. He really is one of the most technically inept players we've ever had. Even his winner last week came after a terrible first touch.
I remember the moment well:
"What a shit first touch! Goal!!" said a certain someone.
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I'll always remember a villa game we drew - not sure who against. NRC won the ball and we had a two on one. All he had to do was slip the forward in (gabby I think) but he passed it straight at their defender. It was so bad that I almost immediately gave up on him
I suspect there may be a point in weimann's villa career where I do the same. He is capable of breathtaking shitness sometimes.
Weiman annoyed me Saturday a few times but one was when there was two free players including aly in a fantastic dangerous position and he decided to do a tonev from thirty yards that hit the defender.
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In his head, Weimann is a lot closer to being Messi than he really is.
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I thought he was poor today. Ok, first game, and not expecting to start. But, he should have been ready to play. He looked a little lost in the middle. Hope he manages to improve.
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One of the worst full debuts I can recall. Absolutely dreadful. Nothing like the player I saw in the World Cup. He will get better (I hope). But positionally he looked lost and on the ball he was way too cumbersome and was very nervy.
A debut to forget. I'm not sure whether Lamberts decision to leave him him so long was either cruel, inept, insane, or perhaps a brave move to see Carlos walk on the coals and hopefully come out stronger the other side. I would say probably one of Lamberts insane or inept decisions.
He's clearly a few months away. Take him out the side for a bit. Get Westy back ASAP, or play Rico or Bacuna in the middle. I'd bring Sanchez gradually in through November during "easier" games, when hopefully he's more settled and his English has improved because I wonder if communication might also be a problem in training but on the pitch too. He looked lost throughout the whole game.
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to be fair he probably has had very little of a pre season but he needs taking out of the firing line pronto.
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He had a real stinker today. I still think he will be a good signing though. Maybe give him some U21 games over the next few weeks.
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Way way off the pace, can see why he isn't starting.
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Was actually pleased that he played today instead of Westwood as the midfield battle was always going be crucial and we needed a bit more steel, but yeah he is off the pace right now, but long term should be a important player long term.
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He liked miles off the pace today, but give him time.
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Worse than the Djemba twins
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He looked devoid of any energy. The entire side did.
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He looked devoid of any energy. The entire side did.
Possibly something to do with that virus.
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He looked devoid of any energy. The entire side did.
Possibly something to do with that virus.
Very possibly Paul
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He looked devoid of any energy. The entire side did.
Possibly something to do with that virus.
Very possibly Paul
I'm going with that excuse too. ;)
To be fair a few of them did look a bit buggered. Richardson was off pace, and I wonder if that's why Andi came off quite early, as normally, no matter how he plays, he tends to stay on till, or near the end.
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Lambert mentioned Delph and Weimann feeling like shit during the game and at HT.
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Lambert mentioned Delph and Weimann feeling like shit during the game and at HT.
Delph certainly seemed off the pace compared to his usual standards.
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Lambert mentioned Delph and Weimann feeling like shit during the game and at HT.
Weimann was sick at half time which was why he was subbed. According to Lambert most the team had had the virus - that was why he felt we looked lethargic.
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He will come good but he looks well off the pace so far
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A few by me were writing him off as useless after an hour....nothing like knee jerk reactions...it's not like the bloke is in a new country where the football is quicker & he doesn't speak the lingo.
We are bringing him in slowly, circumstance dictated that he had to start.
Personally I thought he was ok 2nd half
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Good player, needs time to adapt to the team and playing in this league. He'll need games and a bit of time but I'd be very confident he'll do well for us.
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He was that bad I was actually pining for Westwood today, something I thought I'd never do.
I still think he's a good player, but you often hear of foreign players who come over here only to be shocked by the pace of the Premier League. I'm sure he'll improve.
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He was that bad I was actually pining for Westwood today, something I bought I'd never do.
I still think he's a good player, but you often hear of foreign players who come over here only to be shocked by the pace of the Premier League. I'm sure he'll improve.
Think Westwood was sorely missed today. As for Sanchez, it will take time to adapt, lets hope he can do so as quickly as possible
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I thought he was awful, but if he was running round whilst he shouldn't have even been playing, then giving him the benefit of the doubt is fair enough.
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He did look awful, but he deserves time to make an impact whether he had a virus or not.
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It will take him time to adjust to the premiership, we have to accept that and think the manager has tried to bed him gently, but had no option but to throw him in today against a very good team
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For whatever reason he looked no better than Sylla yesterday, with all the same vices. He has to improve pronto.
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Give the guy time and he will come good. As has been said, he was way off the pace, but wasn't meant to be playing.
We badly missed Westy today.
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Worse than the Djemba twins
Yeah. Let's write him off. In fact, let's get a posse down to bodymoor and lynch him. There's no justice like angry mob justice.
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He showed glimpses of his abilities at least
Some of the duels he won and tackles he made were impressive and something we never use to get from El Ahmadi
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If you look at someone like Stan Petrov, he had a great debut and then struggled for the next 2 seasons before becoming a top player in that holding role in front of the defence. I expect any foreign player coming over to struggle in their first season and if they settle faster than that it's a bonus.
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Worse than the Djemba twins
Yeah. Let's write him off. In fact, let's get a posse down to bodymoor and lynch him. There's no justice like angry mob justice.
You bring the firewood, I will bring the matches. ;D
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Worse than the Djemba twins
He was definitely worse than Djemba, but I don't think he was quite as bad as Djemba.
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He was that bad I was actually pining for Westwood today, something I thought I'd never do.
I still think he's a good player, but you often hear of foreign players who come over here only to be shocked by the pace of the Premier League. I'm sure he'll improve.
Is anyone still peddling the Westwood is shit myth after his start to the season? He's no world beater but he's been second only to senderos this season and unjust don't get the criticism from some
I seem to recall similar views about petrov until he got cancer and suddenly became a villa legend. .
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He was that bad I was actually pining for Westwood today, something I thought I'd never do.
I still think he's a good player, but you often hear of foreign players who come over here only to be shocked by the pace of the Premier League. I'm sure he'll improve.
Is anyone still peddling the Westwood is shit myth after his start to the season? He's no world beater but he's been second only to senderos this season and unjust don't get the criticism from some
I seem to recall similar views about petrov until he got cancer and suddenly became a villa legend. .
The 'he only passes it sideways and backwards' argument.
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It is a given that new players especially from slower Latin leagues need time to adjust to the EPL. However, with the devil-take-hindmost ethos of our game, time rules everything. A modestly talented player who adapts quickly probably serves a club better than one who takes a long time to adjust. The sums of money they receive in wages requires them to do the business. Sanchez is an excellent player but he was an excellent player who played very badly last Saturday. Bad even by our standards of the last four years.
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He was that bad I was actually pining for Westwood today, something I thought I'd never do.
I still think he's a good player, but you often hear of foreign players who come over here only to be shocked by the pace of the Premier League. I'm sure he'll improve.
Is anyone still peddling the Westwood is shit myth after his start to the season? He's no world beater but he's been second only to senderos this season and unjust don't get the criticism from some
I seem to recall similar views about petrov until he got cancer and suddenly became a villa legend. .
Not strictly true, Stan had an awful first season, lost his place, i seem to remember his substitution at home to Newcastle when we were a Michael Owen goal down being cheered by the Holte. Fought back superbly, regained his place, and the following season, winning the Supporters player of the season award, so saying Petrovs standing within the club is down to his illness is way off the mark, fact is - we`ve never replaced him.
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He was that bad I was actually pining for Westwood today, something I thought I'd never do.
I still think he's a good player, but you often hear of foreign players who come over here only to be shocked by the pace of the Premier League. I'm sure he'll improve.
Is anyone still peddling the Westwood is shit myth after his start to the season? He's no world beater but he's been second only to senderos this season and unjust don't get the criticism from some
I seem to recall similar views about petrov until he got cancer and suddenly became a villa legend. .
Not strictly true, Stan had an awful first season, lost his place, i seem to remember his substitution at home to Newcastle when we were a Michael Owen goal down being cheered by the Holte. Fought back superbly, regained his place, and the following season, winning the Supporters player of the season award, so saying Petrovs standing within the club is down to his illness is way off the mark, fact is - we`ve never replaced him.
totally agree Stan was fantastic.
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I don't think we should get too carried away with Sanchez being our great saviour. The reason we were all so delighted to see him arrive was that a) he'd been in the World Cup so must be good and b) for the first time we had spent so called decent money.
The facts is we spent in the region of 4.5m for a player from Elche. It isn't massive in the scheme of things and to that end you're more likely than not going to get what you pay for.
With all that said the last Columbian we had didn't turn out too badly after a horrific first year both on and off the pitch.
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He got caught in possession a few times and had a few misplaced passes. He needs to settle in and will with more games. Taking that into account he wasn't that bad.
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He was that bad I was actually pining for Westwood today, something I thought I'd never do.
I still think he's a good player, but you often hear of foreign players who come over here only to be shocked by the pace of the Premier League. I'm sure he'll improve.
Is anyone still peddling the Westwood is shit myth after his start to the season? He's no world beater but he's been second only to senderos this season and unjust don't get the criticism from some
I seem to recall similar views about petrov until he got cancer and suddenly became a villa legend. .
That's really, really harsh.
His first season, other than the first match, he really struggled. His second season, he wasn't entirely convincing. But after that he improved markedly, and that was pretty much the general opinion.
To suggest people only started saying he was a quality player when he got cancer is not only wide of the mark, but a pretty shitty thing to accuse people of, IMO.
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He got caught in possession a few times and had a few misplaced passes. He needs to settle in and will with more games. Taking that into account he wasn't that bad.
Oh he was awful and really should have been taken off at half-time. It would be ridiculous to write him off after one game though.
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He was really bad against Arsenal. Got caught in possession and looked lost in midfield. It doesn't mean he is a bad player. I think he just needs time to settle in. I think he has shown small glimpses of quality, mostly off the ball. Nevertheless it's not an encouraging start for his career for Villa.
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He was really bad against Arsenal. Got caught in possession and looked lost in midfield. It doesn't mean he is a bad player. I think he just needs time to settle in. I think he has shown small glimpses of quality, mostly off the ball. Nevertheless it's not an encouraging start for his career for Villa.
He's just one of many who come into the Premiership and find it's mad pace too much to handle at first - they need mental agility as well as the physical side of their game - he will be OK by the time we hit the Champion's League...
;-)
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Sanchez is really suited to champion's league football. That's why we bought him and that's where he will be playing next season.
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Give the guy a bloody chance, it will take time for him to settle. The worst debut I ever saw was Des Bremner and he became a brilliant player for the club. He looked as if he had never kicked a ball in his life
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Give the guy a bloody chance, it will take time for him to settle. The worst debut I ever saw was Des Bremner and he became a brilliant player for the club. He looked as if he had never kicked a ball in his life
No the worst debut was Ugo Eghiogu and he did OK
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You mean v Norwich I assume, but Des Bremner looked as if he had never kicked a ball in his life. The point I was trying to make is that you cant judge on first impressions
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You mean v Norwich I assume, but Des Bremner looked as if he had never kicked a ball in his life. The point I was trying to make is that you cant judge on first impressions
Exactly
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No the worst debut was Ugo Eghiogu and he did OK
The Norwich game? That was about his 10th game for us.
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I thought last week showed how much we missed Westwood tbh. Not a showman but he has the knack of finding a team mate and we need more of that
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He was that bad I was actually pining for Westwood today, something I thought I'd never do.
I still think he's a good player, but you often hear of foreign players who come over here only to be shocked by the pace of the Premier League. I'm sure he'll improve.
Is anyone still peddling the Westwood is shit myth after his start to the season? He's no world beater but he's been second only to senderos this season and unjust don't get the criticism from some
I seem to recall similar views about petrov until he got cancer and suddenly became a villa legend. .
That's really, really harsh.
His first season, other than the first match, he really struggled. His second season, he wasn't entirely convincing. But after that he improved markedly, and that was pretty much the general opinion.
To suggest people only started saying he was a quality player when he got cancer is not only wide of the mark, but a pretty shitty thing to accuse people of, IMO.
I'm glad you responded like that. All i was thinking was putting 'complete bollocks'. I don't reply to posts that nark me much anymore (ever so slightly matured, slightly...) but i think that last line is a bit c**tish. And i very much was someone who wasn't a fan of his for a good 2 seasons, maybe longer than most.
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He needs time to adapt.
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He was that bad I was actually pining for Westwood today, something I thought I'd never do.
I still think he's a good player, but you often hear of foreign players who come over here only to be shocked by the pace of the Premier League. I'm sure he'll improve.
Is anyone still peddling the Westwood is shit myth after his start to the season? He's no world beater but he's been second only to senderos this season and unjust don't get the criticism from some
I seem to recall similar views about petrov until he got cancer and suddenly became a villa legend. .
That's really, really harsh.
His first season, other than the first match, he really struggled. His second season, he wasn't entirely convincing. But after that he improved markedly, and that was pretty much the general opinion.
To suggest people only started saying he was a quality player when he got cancer is not only wide of the mark, but a pretty shitty thing to accuse people of, IMO.
I'm glad you responded like that. All i was thinking was putting 'complete bollocks'. I don't reply to posts that nark me much anymore (ever so slightly matured, slightly...) but i think that last line is a bit c**tish. And i very much was someone who wasn't a fan of his for a good 2 seasons, maybe longer than most.
The only reason he struggled in his first two seasons was that he was being played as an attacking midfielder like he was at Celtic however he didn't have the pace to be anywhere near as effective in that role in the Premier League. After two seasons he was dropped back into a more holding midfielder role which is where he flourished, won player of the season awards and became captain. It was this these performances that made him such a fan favourite, that and the goal against Derby.
I said it at the time but if he hadn't fallen ill Villa would be in a much better position now because his illness coincided with the influx of young or inexperienced players especially in the centre of the park. His presence in that side would have added the cool head to the mixture which would have eased the pressure of the youngsters and allowed them to grow into the team rather than being thrown in at the deep end.
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He was that bad I was actually pining for Westwood today, something I thought I'd never do.
I still think he's a good player, but you often hear of foreign players who come over here only to be shocked by the pace of the Premier League. I'm sure he'll improve.
Is anyone still peddling the Westwood is shit myth after his start to the season? He's no world beater but he's been second only to senderos this season and unjust don't get the criticism from some
I seem to recall similar views about petrov until he got cancer and suddenly became a villa legend. .
That's really, really harsh.
His first season, other than the first match, he really struggled. His second season, he wasn't entirely convincing. But after that he improved markedly, and that was pretty much the general opinion.
To suggest people only started saying he was a quality player when he got cancer is not only wide of the mark, but a pretty shitty thing to accuse people of, IMO.
I'm glad you responded like that. All i was thinking was putting 'complete bollocks'. I don't reply to posts that nark me much anymore (ever so slightly matured, slightly...) but i think that last line is a bit c**tish. And i very much was someone who wasn't a fan of his for a good 2 seasons, maybe longer than most.
The only reason he struggled in his first two seasons was that he was being played as an attacking midfielder like he was at Celtic however he didn't have the pace to be anywhere near as effective in that role in the Premier League. After two seasons he was dropped back into a more holding midfielder role which is where he flourished, won player of the season awards and became captain. It was this these performances that made him such a fan favourite, that and the goal against Derby.
I said it at the time but if he hadn't fallen ill Villa would be in a much better position now because his illness coincided with the influx of young or inexperienced players especially in the centre of the park. His presence in that side would have added the cool head to the mixture which would have eased the pressure of the youngsters and allowed them to grow into the team rather than being thrown in at the deep end.
Agree 100% with your last paragraph. He would have made a hell of a difference these last couple of years.
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When Stan visits Villa Park he must sit in the Witton Lane, because he left after 70 minutes at Chelsea. Took him an age to actually leave mind with all the people bagging photos with him.
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He got caught in possession a few times and had a few misplaced passes. He needs to settle in and will with more games. Taking that into account he wasn't that bad.
Quite agree watched the full game again after all the negativity because I thought I had missed something. He played conservativly and moved the ball on,but certainly did not have a stinker.
He looks to have ability to me I just hope the moaners and groaners dont get on his back as is often the case at VP.
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He was that bad I was actually pining for Westwood today, something I thought I'd never do.
I still think he's a good player, but you often hear of foreign players who come over here only to be shocked by the pace of the Premier League. I'm sure he'll improve.
Is anyone still peddling the Westwood is shit myth after his start to the season? He's no world beater but he's been second only to senderos this season and unjust don't get the criticism from some
I seem to recall similar views about petrov until he got cancer and suddenly became a villa legend. .
That's really, really harsh.
His first season, other than the first match, he really struggled. His second season, he wasn't entirely convincing. But after that he improved markedly, and that was pretty much the general opinion.
To suggest people only started saying he was a quality player when he got cancer is not only wide of the mark, but a pretty shitty thing to accuse people of, IMO.
I'm glad you responded like that. All i was thinking was putting 'complete bollocks'. I don't reply to posts that nark me much anymore (ever so slightly matured, slightly...) but i think that last line is a bit c**tish. And i very much was someone who wasn't a fan of his for a good 2 seasons, maybe longer than most.
The only reason he struggled in his first two seasons was that he was being played as an attacking midfielder like he was at Celtic however he didn't have the pace to be anywhere near as effective in that role in the Premier League. After two seasons he was dropped back into a more holding midfielder role which is where he flourished, won player of the season awards and became captain. It was this these performances that made him such a fan favourite, that and the goal against Derby.
I said it at the time but if he hadn't fallen ill Villa would be in a much better position now because his illness coincided with the influx of young or inexperienced players especially in the centre of the park. His presence in that side would have added the cool head to the mixture which would have eased the pressure of the youngsters and allowed them to grow into the team rather than being thrown in at the deep end.
You're right about the Celtic bit. Stan was an all action goalscoring midfielder up there, and that's what we thought we were getting. But maybe Ashley Westwood would bag 10-15 goals per season up there.
At international level -even during his time at Celtic- he played defensive midfield for Bulgaria.
Not sure about the latter part. After a difficult 12/18 months first up, he was one of our most important players in 08/09 and 09/10. In the Houllier and McLeish years though, there was often talk on here and elsewhere that he'd need to be replaced as his legs had gone. Maybe he would have been a decent option from the bench in Lambert's first season, to calm things down. But I don't think he would have been a key player for us at that point.
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During the McLeish year Petrov and Delph (when fit) were forming a decent pairing in the middle - allowing Stan to get forward and score a few goals before his career was cut short in March of that season.
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Not going to quote it but I agree completely with KevinGage above. even in his good years he struggled to go for 90minutes and by the middle of the Mcleish season he was done after an hour, that might well have been early effects of the cancer, but the signs were there that he probably wouldn't have been up for playing 90minutes regularly in the premier league for much longer anyway so we should have been looking for a replacement (and Houllier clearly agreed when he signed 2 central midfielders in the January).
That's not to belittle the role Petrov played as captain or how well he did for us over his time, just an acceptance that he was getting older and feeling the pace of the league more.
On to Sanchez (and therefore on topic) as a couple of people have said his performance against arsenal wasn't great, that's clear, but it wasn't as terrible as some are making out either he looked lethargic but the then the whole team did, and we have a pretty clear explanation for that. Aside from that he got caught by the pace of the game a few times, which is common for players new to the league. I certainly don't think there's any need for anyone to be writing him off or using terms like 'you get what you pay for'. When Lambert has shopped in this price range he's spent well and I think this will prove to be another good purchase.
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Petrov was getting forward a bit more in the first third of the campaign, or more prepared to take a shot from distance. But from about November onwards, he went into his shell somewhat - pretty much like the rest of the side. With McLeish as a manager I'd like to think that was more down to shoddy tactics rather than anything else, mind.
He was a popular captain though - a good one too, by all accounts. And when you seen the likes of Bent, Gabby and Ciaran Clark taking the armband the following season, they did pale in comparison.
As for Sanchez, he'd had one good game so far, when he came on v Newcastle and changed the momentum in our favour. And one poor one, when illness decimated the camp.
His touch, awareness and distribution didn't look suspect in the first game, so hopefully the Arsenal game was just a bad day at the office.
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I'd play him on Saturday ahead of Cleverley.
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I know when Houllier watched his first game from the stand, he commented on Petrov's lack of fitness. That was probably down to O'Neill putting together a half arsed pre-season programme though (there had been warning signs of a lack of interest during the summer before he left). Say what you like about McLeish but Petrov looked a lot fitter at the start of the next season. The way our form fell apart once Petrov's illness became clear showed how important he was to that team.
With Sanchez, I saw enough to be convinced that he can become a key player for us once he's adjusted to the pace of the league. Ideally we can have one or two games where we're comfortably in the lead and can introduce him into those games to give him more exposure to the league at a time it's not going to cost us. That might take a while though so we might need to throw him in when we don't have that luxury.
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I'd play him on Saturday ahead of Cleverley.
Why? Cleverley has looked every bit an integral part of a good looking midfield 3.
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I'd play him on Saturday ahead of Cleverley.
I wouldn't
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Nor would I. There is some re writing of history going on here. Sanchez had a very bad game against Arsenal. That was by common consent. All players have them. Cleverley does not deserve to be benched.
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I'd play him on Saturday ahead of Cleverley.
Why? Cleverley has looked every bit an integral part of a good looking midfield 3.
It's just that in the last two games, Arsenal and Chelsea had a lot of the ball and we didn't really have anyone in there who attempted to break up the play. We just tended to sit back. The way Man City play suggests it might be similar. Cleverely has done ok so far but he's not really stood out too much either.
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I think Cleverley uses the ball well.
The problem we have had is that there aren't too many options advanced of him to play it forwards too, as the full backs are deep, while Andi and Richardson are also tucked back too.
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Nor would I. There is some re writing of history going on here. Sanchez had a very bad game against Arsenal. That was by common consent. All players have them. Cleverley does not deserve to be benched.
Not really rewriting history, he was poor as part of an overall poor performance by a team that, as a unit, clearly had some fitness issues. Some of the singling out of Sanchez on this thread and the post match thread is unfair and a few people are trying to point that out.
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I noted that all three of our midfield have over 90% pass success rates v chelsea. Was very surprised by that. An encouraging sign of sorts.
I think I might play nzogbia ahead of Richardson though. We need creativity
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I would imagine that by the Everton game Sanchez will be fully up to speed. It will be interesting to see if he is in the starting eleven.
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I am quite prepared to risk going into Villa Park and being singled out as the idiot who thought Sanchez had an absolute stinker against the Arsenal.
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Sanchez was wank against Arsenal. He will improve.
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I think Sanchez himself said he needs to improve, he is learning a whole new game and culture and luckily we can let him do that at the moment.
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It will surely be the same midfield three in the next few games. We need more creativity and that's likely to mean cleverley playing a bit further forward - like richardson did in the first few games. The Mail has been suggesting as much. I quite like the fact that now Gregg Evans is leading on villa, we're starting to get some tactical analysis. Don't know if mat Kendrick thought the readers didn't want that but he rarely focused on that. He does like a ropey pun though!
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I don't expect to see Sanchez in the starting 11 for quite a while. It's infuriating we get knocked out of the cups early every season as a Carling cup game would've been an ideal match to give him and Joe Cole starts.
Thinking about it a good target for him and us to get him up to speed would be the Man. United home game in two months time. Cleverley will be ineligible for that and we will need as many defensive midfield players in there to track runs from Di Maria, Rooney etc so give him some sub appearances in the meantime.
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Looking at what Lambert has said today I think we will see Carlos start against QPR.
The midfield needs some variety and hopefully him coming in will allow Westwood to get his range of passing going 15 yards further up the pitch and do a bit more damage.
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Looking at what Lambert has said today I think we will see Carlos start against QPR.
The midfield needs some variety and hopefully him coming in will allow Westwood to get his range of passing going 15 yards further up the pitch and do a bit more damage.
The only thing I don't get about what Lambert has said is that he thinks that Westwood's form has been 'really high'. It hasn't really has it? He's been ok for me, not much better than anyone else in the middle.
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Looking at what Lambert has said today I think we will see Carlos start against QPR.
The midfield needs some variety and hopefully him coming in will allow Westwood to get his range of passing going 15 yards further up the pitch and do a bit more damage.
The only thing I don't get about what Lambert has said is that he thinks that Westwood's form has been 'really high'. It hasn't really has it? He's been ok for me, not much better than anyone else in the middle.
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I don't listen to Lambert no more.
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Looking at what Lambert has said today I think we will see Carlos start against QPR.
The midfield needs some variety and hopefully him coming in will allow Westwood to get his range of passing going 15 yards further up the pitch and do a bit more damage.
The only thing I don't get about what Lambert has said is that he thinks that Westwood's form has been 'really high'. It hasn't really has it? He's been ok for me, not much better than anyone else in the middle.
I was thinking the same. Even the writer of the article for the official site stated that Westwood had been in "formidable form." Have the expectations of those working at the club, and the manager really been that low? Westy's done okay, but he's been an average 6/10 on the whole, nothing more. That's generally what he's been for the club, and he hasn't really got any better. Personally I thought he got totally overshadowed in the last four games by opposition that was far superior, and that includes Gareth Barry. I also think Cleverley, though he hasn't been particularly great, has looked a little better than Westwood in recent games.
That said, my preference for next week would be to play Sanchez at the base of a diamond, Westy and TC ahead and Grealish at the tip.
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Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-paul-lambert-tells-8257802)
Aston Villa: Paul Lambert tells Gregg Evans that he believes in Carlos Sanchez
Colombian midfielder can be a vital player for Villa says Paul Lambert
Dec 10, 2014 07:00
By Gregg Evans
Things are looking up for Carlos Sanchez, says Paul Lambert
Paul Lambert reckons Carlos Sanchez is on his way to becoming an Aston Villa star.
The Colombian ace has impressed in recent weeks and is finally getting to grips with the demands of England’s top-flight.
Pleased with his bravery, willingness to learn and his ever-growing confidence, Lambert said:
“He’s learning very fast now and he’s loving life in the Premier League.
“He’s going to be a really big player for Aston Villa.”
Sanchez struggled in the early months of the season but is now starting to flourish.
Too often he was caught in possession and his general play was sluggish but that never concerned Lambert.
“The good thing about Carlos is that he never hides from it,” the manager told the Birmingham Mail
“I don’t mind him making mistakes providing he never hides from it.
The Aston Villa official photo-call at the club's training ground at Bodymoor Heath on September 16, 2014 VIEW GALLERY
“He wants the ball all the time and even if he makes a mistake he’s ready to get it back.
“He’s only been in this country for a short time and he still needs to adapt.
“But I believe in him.
“There’s no problems whatsoever from me.”
Lambert has always maintained that Sanchez is a class act.
He was wowed by his first-ever training session at Bodymoor Heath and from then he had faith that the enforcer would succeed.
Villa endured some complicated negotiations to get the former Elche man on board but the midfielder is now starting to repay the faith that was shown in him.
Speaking about his recent displays, Lambert said:
“I think he’s been excellent.
“He’s a top player, a really top player.
“He’s coming from a country which is completely different to England and it has been a big culture shock for him.
“But he’s played in the World Cup and he was excellent.
“I don’t want him to get fatigued, though.
“He does a hell of a lot of travelling with the Colombian national team so I was wary of that before the Crystal Palace game (which he started on the bench).
“What I like about him is that he’s an outstanding professional.
“What you see in games is what you see in training. He never slacks or stops working.”
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Someone else mentioned (poster here?) that he plays like he loves it. Always seems to be enjoying himself. Its kind of stuck with me and I see that as well now. I really like him. He seems to be getting better and better.
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He's getting fitter. He seems to last the pace a little more now.
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I think he's been quite good overall and he's getting better. It does takes time for some players to settle into a new country, especially him being South American. There was some clown on here a while back who said he was the worst player he'd ever seen in a Villa shirt and that was after about two games.
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So maybe we should give Lambert some credit - what he may lack in tactical nous he may be making up for in his ability to spot a decent player who doesn't cost the earth in the transfer market - Benteke, Okore, Sanchez, Westwood, to name three (not forgetting the crocked members, Vlaar, Kozak and so on). Yes there are also some on the list who haven't quite made it but I do think he can spot decent players who are under the radar.
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So maybe we should give Lambert some credit - what he may lack in tactical nous he may be making up for in his ability to spot a decent player who doesn't cost the earth in the transfer market - Benteke, Okore, Sanchez, Westwood, to name three (not forgetting the crocked members, Vlaar, Kozak and so on). Yes there are also some on the list who haven't quite made it but I do think he can spot decent players who are under the radar.
I'm pretty sure at one time McLeish (about a year after he'd gone) claimed that Benteke was on our radar before Lambo took over.
That said having the guts to drop an 18 million pound forward and play the untried Tekker paid dividends. So I've got to give him credit there.
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I think he's been quite good overall and he's getting better. It does takes time for some players to settle into a new country, especially him being South American. There was some clown on here a while back who said he was the worst player he'd ever seen in a Villa shirt and that was after about two games.
There's always someone.
Benteke is another example, some were writing him off as a one season wonder. The fact he was injured for the vast majority of his second season mean't nothing.
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I'm pretty sure at one time McLeish (about a year after he'd gone) claimed that Benteke was on our radar before Lambo took over.
The conventional wisdom is that we were interested in Jelle Vossen (now at Middlesbrough). We went to watch him and thought that his strike partner looked much better so bought him instead.
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I'm pretty sure at one time McLeish (about a year after he'd gone) claimed that Benteke was on our radar before Lambo took over.
The conventional wisdom is that we were interested in Jelle Vossen (now at Middlesbrough). We went to watch him and thought that his strike partner looked much better so bought him instead.
I heard that, too.
I still think we should have bought both
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I'm pretty sure at one time McLeish (about a year after he'd gone) claimed that Benteke was on our radar before Lambo took over.
The conventional wisdom is that we were interested in Jelle Vossen (now at Middlesbrough). We went to watch him and thought that his strike partner looked much better so bought him instead.
It was later that year that scout left as well didn't he? Can't remember who it was.
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Someone else mentioned (poster here?) that he plays like he loves it. Always seems to be enjoying himself. Its kind of stuck with me and I see that as well now. I really like him. He seems to be getting better and better.
I think he is looking good and has the capacity to get a lot better, I think. My recent observation is that he does seem to want more time on the ball than is either available or helpful. he needs to distribute more quickly ... but I guess that will come.
We'll find out how good he is over the Xmas period when the games come think and fast, without Westwood.
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He should be the natural replacement for Westwood. I like him, but not as the more advanced midfielder.
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He should be the natural replacement for Westwood. I like him, but not as the more advanced midfielder.
Agree. When Westwood went off on Sunday, he just sat in front of the defence and looked ciomfortable in that position.
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I noticed on a few occasions that he didn't really know what forward runs to make ahead of the ball. As you say he looked a lot better when he moved back.
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I noticed on a few occasions that he didn't really know what forward runs to make ahead of the ball. As you say he looked a lot better when he moved back.
That said, he's looked fairly decent on the few occasions he's found himself in advanced ares of the pitch in possession of the ball. I remember one of his very first contributions in his debut v Newcastle was a beautifully floated ball out to the wing.
It was also a lovely reverse pass he played into Benteke that lead to our first shot on target at Palace recently.
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Sanchez looks better each game he plays. Sometimes he looks very good indeed.
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He's good enough and does well - he has the odd sloppy and dangerous pass in him. But, hey, don't they all?
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He was good and is growing in confidence with every game.
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Agreed. I was very impressed with Carlos.
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Where he spent any decent money Lambert has done well.
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Probably his best game for us today. Positionally much better and picked up a load of breaks. Looks a very decent addition and adds presence to a midfield that has lacked it since ... Not sure who was the last tank we had in midfield. Boateng or Taylor maybe
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Thought he was a bit below par today. He is a player who will be great next season I believe.
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He's similar to Makoun still - next season, could be a big one.
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He's much better than JMII
More physical prescence and a better player all round
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Is being the defensive holder in midfield his best position? If so what do we do with Westwood?
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Drop him.
Sanchez Delph plus a goal scoring midfielder like Sigurdsson is a good midfield.
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I like the look of him. Getting better and better.
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I was impressed again and think a more dynamic midfielder in front of him with Delph will help.
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He's very calm and always looks for a short quick pass, in some areas of the pitch I'd prefer him not to mind.
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He'll continue to improve as long as we dedicate ourselves to passing the ball and retaining possession. He's a good player accustomed to playing with the ball. Getting away from knocking it long or playing exclusively on the counter will benefit him, the other players and the club in general long term.
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I thought he was pretty good again. Him and Delph might be a pretty decent combination. Hopefully Cole will be back soon because I think they could give him a pretty decent platform
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Drop him.
Sanchez Delph plus a goal scoring midfielder like Sigurdsson is a good midfield.
Agree with this. Of course if Delph leaves, we'd need to replace him.
I really like Sanchez defensively, he's good at protecting the defence. He looks lost at times when he goes forward though and takes too long on the ball. Think he'll be very good next season.
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I really like Sanchez and Okore. They scare me at times though with how casual they can seem in possession.
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Today was the best performance from a defensive midfielder I've seen in a Villa shirt in years. I'd love to see his stats as apart from slipping over once, I'm almost sure he never gave the ball away, got tackles in, made himself constantly available, always looking for the next pass, preferably forward and on top of that he really covered some ground today.
Unquestionably a 10/10 performance from our new midfield hero. I take it for granted he got the MOTM award?
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He did. I thought he was brilliant today.
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He did. I thought he was brilliant today.
Agree but I think he's been great for a few weeks now.
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He did. I thought he was brilliant today.
Agree but I think he's been great for a few weeks now.
Sure but today he was head and shoulders above anybody on the pitch, even by his standards.
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He's got the pace of the game now which he certainly didn't have in the Arsenal game going back to his first start.
Good player. Looks like he'll nail the DM position. Westwood can be the inbetween midfielder and we desperately need an attacking midfielder from somewhere.
Then we may just have a top 10 standard midfield if Grealish can flourish in the second half of the season.
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To use an old cliché, The cream always rises to the top.
It appears that this is certainly the case here.
Well done Carlos
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Excellent performance today. Very composed
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Looks a very good player now he has settled.
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Does anyone know what The Sanchez stats were or where we can find them? I didn't see him lose the ball once or fail to find a Villa player.
A quite wonderful performance.
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A great performance:
Touches 100, Pass Accuracy 95.5%, Tackles 4, Key Passes 2, 10/10 Accurate Long Balls.
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I thought he was great today, but I liked the look of him from his first game. Sometimes you just need to give foreign players time.
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We need to get quality in just like him. Lambert has spent his transfer budget well when shopping above the bottom of the barrel. He needs to now find players that can take the ball from the likes of Sanchez and do something with it. The likes of Cleverley, Gabby, Weimann, N'Zogbia are not or no longer the answer.
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We need to get quality in just like him. Lambert has spent his transfer budget well when shopping above the bottom of the barrel. He needs to now find players that can take the ball from the likes of Sanchez and do something with it. The likes of Cleverley, Gabby, Weimann, N'Zogbia are not or no longer the answer.
So right TV. Those four should not even be in the first team squad. To give Agbonlahor a new four year contract sums up this manager and the club owner who authorized it.
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Sanchez and Benteke are both on a different level technically to the rest of the team.
Sanchez just knocks it around like he's playing on a beach somewhere. There was a ball he played today, out to a man wide, where he just casually scooped it over the Sunderland player between them, and to the man's feet.
It wasn't the sort of pass you're likely to see repeated over and over, it'll have got lost in the "noise" of the match around it, but it was the sort of pass which the likes of Cleverley could probably manage once in a dozen attempts.
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Sanchez and Benteke are both on a different level technically to the rest of the team.
Sanchez just knocks it around like he's playing on a beach somewhere. There was a ball he played today, out to a man wide, where he just casually scooped it over the Sunderland player between them, and to the man's feet.
It wasn't the sort of pass you're likely to see repeated over and over, it'll have got lost in the "noise" of the match around it, but it was the sort of pass which the likes of Cleverley could probably manage once in a dozen attempts.
I agree about Sanchez, but Benteke is one of those players who is in touch or out of touch, and you can usually tell pretty early on in a game. When he finds a rhythm Benteke is poetry in motion. When he is our only threat dastardly opponents find ways to stop him, just as they did with Ash Young.
I would guess that Poyet told Wes Brown to knock CB off his stroke early on and then keep niggling him. He does not do all that moaning for shits and giggles, he genuinely has got the hump.
As I said to a wide eyed, incredulous old chap in the concourse of the Upper Witton Lane today, in many respects he is like Hurricane Higgins. Or maybe John Higgins. Same rules apply.
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We need to get quality in just like him. Lambert has spent his transfer budget well when shopping above the bottom of the barrel. He needs to now find players that can take the ball from the likes of Sanchez and do something with it. The likes of Cleverley, Gabby, Weimann, N'Zogbia are not or no longer the answer.
So right TV. Those four should not even be in the first team squad. To give Agbonlahor a new four year contract sums up this manager and the club owner who authorized it.
I don't mind Gabby being at the club. He's just not starting quality anymore. Impact sub and that's about it. Same with Weimann really. Cameo roles, rotation at best. Cleverley might be a punt in the Delph role should he decide his future lies elsewhere, but never at the numbers being quoted. N'Zogbia, just so very, very disappointed by him and he needs to move on quickly.
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I really like Carlos. He looks the business and he's still settling. He's the sort of player you can build a midfield around. We just need to sign 2-3 of his ability, particularly with Delph one foot out the door.
Cleverley, Westwood, Richardson are not good enough. The former shouldn't be signed, the latter two are squad level.
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Some few months ago I commented on a thread that in my opinion there was a big hole in the middle of the park that had been vacant since Stan Petrov had to stop playing. Whoever filled that position didn't have to be world class, they had to be competent and able to delay and disrupt the advance of the opposition midfield - at the time we were being overwhelmed and dominated by the opposition's midfield which also exposed our defence to constant pressure.
I believe that we now have that player. In recent performances, as he's acclimatised to premier league football Sanchez has shown a natural ability that we have been missing in midfield for a long time.
Congratulations to those who were involved in bringing him to our club.
Just another 4 or 5 of the same ability in different positions would do nicely.
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Some few months ago I commented on a thread that in my opinion there was a big hole in the middle of the park that had been vacant since Stan Petrov had to stop playing. Whoever filled that position didn't have to be world class, they had to be competent and able to delay and disrupt the advance of the opposition midfield - at the time we were being overwhelmed and dominated by the opposition's midfield which also exposed our defence to constant pressure.
I believe that we now have that player. In recent performances, as he's acclimatised to premier league football Sanchez has shown a natural ability that we have been missing in midfield for a long time.
Congratulations to those who were involved in bringing him to our club.
Just another 4 or 5 of the same ability in different positions would do nicely.
I've long hoped Westwood could be that player given his style and he has his good periods of form but not quite good enough defensively and Sanchez is far more of the finished article which you'd expect given his experience.
Infairness Sanchez and Westwood as the two infront of the back 4 will keep our possesion ticking over no problem but it all falls down when the third midfielder is also a busy workmanlike player. That is the problem.
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Infairness Sanchez and Westwood as the two infront of the back 4 will keep our possesion ticking over no problem but it all falls down when the third midfielder is also a busy workmanlike player. That is the problem.
Westwood or Delph (for however long he's here) will both improve with the freedom afforded by Sanchez's presence, relieving them of some defensive responsibilities that they can't provide but you're quite right, we have an abundance of workers but no creative midfielder.
Or do we?
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I small silver lining of this season could be that sanchez and westwood could be a very good base for a 4231 formation for next season, a la Chelsea and most German teams. The problem is clearly the 3 as our squad lacks players that are natural in these position (only really Grelish).
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I small silver lining of this season could be that sanchez and westwood could be a very good base for a 4231 formation for next season, a la Chelsea and most German teams. The problem is clearly the 3 as our squad lacks players that are natural in these position (only really Grelish).
I'd agree long term it's the system we should go for. As we've become acutely aware though, Gabby and Weimann need replacing in the starting 11.
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Weimaraner agree, gabby no chance . We missed him Sunday.
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Weimaraner agree, gabby no chance . We missed him Sunday.
I think he's an impact player now. From the bench. But in the starting 11 we need better. Too many times Gabby just looks like he can't be arsed.
I would say in a 4-2-3-1 Weimann would become slightly obsolete, but in all honesty he's just not good enough at this level.
Unfortunately neither Gabby and Andi can do any wrong in Lamberts eyes. See also Cleverley and Westwood. Certain players can get away with total mediocrity too often.
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When he doesn't play we miss what Gabby could have brought to the party.
Unfortunately he's bringing it less often when he does play.
I'd play him wider - he gets lost in the middle when Benteke is in front/alongside him.
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When he doesn't play we miss what Gabby could have brought to the party.
Unfortunately he's bringing it less often when he does play.
I'd play him wider - he gets lost in the middle when Benteke is in front/alongside him.
I'd like to see him attacking fullbacks more. His crossing is actually less erratic than some of the other players. Gabby spends too much time playing with his back to goal though, which he's mediocre at. He should be given one job. Run at people. Simples. When he commits defenders we get a lot of set pieces and territory out of it.
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It's genuine pace we miss when Gabby is out. Even when he's crap the threat is always there for that one sprint that can help win a game, and the opposition are aware of it as well.
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On thread - agree with papa...Sanchez is the player we've needed since we lost Stan...defensively very strong but with enough guile and flair to join the attack when he can.
If he's got a good mate back home like him, but with a more creative element to his game he needs to let "Paul" know.
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Sanchez is quality.
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It's genuine pace we miss when Gabby is out. Even when he's crap the threat is always there for that one sprint that can help win a game, and the opposition are aware of it as well.
Couldn't agree more PWS.
Just so frustrated that Gabby doesn't seem to.
I love the sight of him running at defenders like he did at Arse last season, and causing complete chaos in their defence.
I just don't understand why he doesn't do it more often when he gets the chance...which he tends to do several times every game.
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It's genuine pace we miss when Gabby is out.
I said something similar before the season started. We need someone else as an alternative to Gabby. It should be N'Zogbia really but he hasn't done it.
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Bacuna? Grealish?
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I don't think Jack has genuine pace, he's not slow but like Andi and Benteke he isn't genuine pace either. Bacuna is probably the closest.
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He has ability and creativity combined. Magic Jack.
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Sanchez is quality.
Bloke who sits two seats away from me would disagree. His biggest gripe about Delph's dismissal was that it means there's no way Sanchez will get dropped now. He genuinely reckons he's really, really shit.
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He's an idiot.
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Sanchez is quality.
Bloke who sits two seats away from me would disagree. His biggest gripe about Delph's dismissal was that it means there's no way Sanchez will get dropped now. He genuinely reckons he's really, really shit.
He sounds like the kind of person you really wouldn't want to discuss football with.
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He's an idiot.
which is the politest thing your could say. You must be completely and utterly blind and stupid not to be able to recognize a really talented footballer like Sanchez.
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And the stork brought him, Paul gets absolutely no credit.
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And the stork brought him, Paul gets absolutely no credit.
Paul what the hell are you talking about, yet again? Do you honestly believe that everyone on here thinks you are completely useless at everything such that every given turn, and on seemingly every thread you feel the need to defend yourself? It is such a tired, shit act.
sorry I edited this so I can direct it appropriately.
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It was a good signing that Paul made.
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Full credit to Paul for signing CS
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One of the number I meet before the game also thinks Sanchez is crap.
Had to point out at half time on Sunday that he was head and shoulders above every other player on the pitch.
She clearly agreed as she said nothing.
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My take on Sanchez is he's top quality and he's getting better. I suspect he will be very good come next season.
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I think he's very good right now silhill!
And agree...he's getting better.
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I think he's very good right now silhill!
And agree...he's getting better.
Agree.
Holds his shape and position very well.
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Defends the defence - good in the air....doesn't get knocked off the ball easily...has real tenacity - fights for possession...wins tackles...particularly good at reading the play and intercepting...great vision/eye for a pass...nice bit of flair...great hair!
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For someone who's more defensively minded he's got a lot of quality on the ball. He's also good in the air too. I think Sanchez could well make a late push for POTY.
Very good player. My biggest concern about him is that in 18 months time he'll get poached off us, but I'll worry about that when the time comes.
A few more signings of his quality and we'll be a lot better.
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He's an idiot.
which is the politest thing your could say. You must be completely and utterly blind and stupid not to be able to recognize a really talented footballer like Sanchez.
The problem with Sanchez is he does the basics very well. The water carrier role if you like. Some people don't get those sort of players. Kevin Richardson was often under rated but we really missed him on the rare occasion he was injured in the BFR days. Similarly I used to drink with a bloke who didn't get what James Milner brought to the team. I think he was looking for one outstanding quality and missing the fact that Milner was not so much outstanding in one department but very good in a number of departments.
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George Boateng was the most under rated player of the last 20 years. Sanchez is the first player since George that I've thought could play that role.
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Defends the defence - good in the air....doesn't get knocked off the ball easily...has real tenacity - fights for possession...wins tackles...particularly good at reading the play and intercepting...great vision/eye for a pass...nice bit of flair...great hair!
As far as that last point goes a mate of mine calls him Jackson 5. He keeps asking me "How's Jackson Five doing?"
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Full credit to Paul for signing CS
I give all the credit to our scouts.
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The Rico analogy is a good one. Great player great captain. If Sanchez can learn the lingo I nail him on as future El capitano.
As for Rico, that bloke won a lot of medals. Legend.
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He's going to be class.
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If we've learnt anything, we'll be offering him a new contract at the end of the season. Or we could just let him walk away on a free like we normally do.
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If we've learnt anything, we'll be offering him a new contract at the end of the season. Or we could just let him walk away on a free like we normally do.
You mean like we've done to nobody we wanted to keep since Thomas Hitzlsperger??
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The Rico analogy is a good one. Great player great captain. If Sanchez can learn the lingo I nail him on as future El capitano.
As for Rico, that bloke won a lot of medals. Legend.
I had a chat with Kevin Richardson when he had been subbed (or maybe he was waiting to go on) in a low key pre season friendly at Witney Town in 1991. He said he was glad to be home because he didn't like the beer in Spain. Fast forward four years and I was working in Tenerife. He was watching the Grand National with the rest of the Coventry squad in my local (I think they had been knocked out of the FA cup and took advantage of the chance of a weeks break). I had a chat with him and he moaned about the beer. I can honestly say I am ITK on this one. Rico isn't a fan of Spanish lager.
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The Rico analogy is a good one. Great player great captain. If Sanchez can learn the lingo I nail him on as future El capitano.
As for Rico, that bloke won a lot of medals. Legend.
I had a chat with Kevin Richardson when he had been subbed (or maybe he was waiting to go on) in a low key pre season friendly at Witney Town in 1991. He said he was glad to be home because he didn't like the beer in Spain. Fast forward four years and I was working in Tenerife. He was watching the Grand National with the rest of the Coventry squad in my local (I think they had been knocked out of the FA cup and took advantage of the chance of a weeks break). I had a chat with him and he moaned about the beer. I can honestly say I am ITK on this one. Rico isn't a fan of Spanish lager.
Damo, you're Danlanza and I claim my fiver.
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I'm a fan.
BVO NRC
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If we've learnt anything, we'll be offering him a new contract at the end of the season. Or we could just let him walk away on a free like we normally do.
You mean like we've done to nobody we wanted to keep since Thomas Hitzlsperger??
Think he means Delph & Vlaar
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If we've learnt anything, we'll be offering him a new contract at the end of the season. Or we could just let him walk away on a free like we normally do.
You mean like we've done to nobody we wanted to keep since Thomas Hitzlsperger??
Think he means Delph & Vlaar
When did they leave?
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The Rico analogy is a good one. Great player great captain. If Sanchez can learn the lingo I nail him on as future El capitano.
As for Rico, that bloke won a lot of medals. Legend.
I had a chat with Kevin Richardson when he had been subbed (or maybe he was waiting to go on) in a low key pre season friendly at Witney Town in 1991. He said he was glad to be home because he didn't like the beer in Spain. Fast forward four years and I was working in Tenerife. He was watching the Grand National with the rest of the Coventry squad in my local (I think they had been knocked out of the FA cup and took advantage of the chance of a weeks break). I had a chat with him and he moaned about the beer. I can honestly say I am ITK on this one. Rico isn't a fan of Spanish lager.
I don't like San miguel either.
Alhambra is nice especially the especial brew. Cruz campo is ok, as is estrella.
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If we've learnt anything, we'll be offering him a new contract at the end of the season. Or we could just let him walk away on a free like we normally do.
You mean like we've done to nobody we wanted to keep since Thomas Hitzlsperger??
Think he means Delph & Vlaar
When did they leave?
They will when their contract expires
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If we've learnt anything, we'll be offering him a new contract at the end of the season. Or we could just let him walk away on a free like we normally do.
You mean like we've done to nobody we wanted to keep since Thomas Hitzlsperger??
Think he means Delph & Vlaar
When did they leave?
They will when their contract expires
And even if they do, how does that, right now, count as "normally"?
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So has Sanchez been linked with anyone? I think a few more displays like Sunday and Press will have him on his way to a so called "top" club!
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So has Sanchez been linked with anyone? I think a few more displays like Sunday and Press will have him on his way to a so called "top" club!
I think we're so under the radar that it'll take another 18 months of these displays before anyone notices to be honest. It's a little different for a striker say, like Benteke who scored 19 goals, most of which were in half a season in his first year. That's impossible to overlook. For Sanchez he'll (hopefully) stay under the radar.
No one seemed interested in Delph until he'd got his first cap, and no one paid any notice of Ron until his World Cup exploits. I could be wrong but I think this summer will be too early to see poachers outside our fence eyeing up Carlos.
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Very good player. Him and Delph are easily strong/good enough to play in a two behind three forward-thinking types and Benteke. We'd have quite a good side then.
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I quite like San Miguel actually.
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If we've learnt anything, we'll be offering him a new contract at the end of the season. Or we could just let him walk away on a free like we normally do.
You mean like we've done to nobody we wanted to keep since Thomas Hitzlsperger??
Surely, though, it isn't just about players we do and don't want to keep - even for the ones we think we might want to move on at some point, we shouldn't let contracts run down as often as we do.
We hardly ever sell players we don't want any more, they just see out their contracts and leave for free.
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Oh dear, Lambert described Sanchez's display against Sunderland as "World class." I remember when O Neill did the same of Ash Young (after THAT Everton game?) he seemed to gradually regress for us after that.
Hopefully the same doesn't happen here. But Carlos looks a sensible lad.
In other Sanchez matters, I really hope he's allowed to rest in the Blackpool game. He's been excellent so lets not wear him out. Likewise I would be resting Benteke. Bring the big man off the bench if needs be.
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Oh dear, Lambert described Sanchez's display against Sunderland as "World class." I remember when O Neill did the same of Ash Young (after THAT Everton game?) he seemed to gradually regress for us after that.
Hopefully the same doesn't happen here. But Carlos looks a sensible lad.
In other Sanchez matters, I really hope he's allowed to rest in the Blackpool game. He's been excellent so lets not wear him out. Likewise I would be resting Benteke. Bring the big man off the bench if needs be.
That's makes sense but then Lambert would get accused of not taking the Cup seriously.
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Oh dear, Lambert described Sanchez's display against Sunderland as "World class." I remember when O Neill did the same of Ash Young (after THAT Everton game?) he seemed to gradually regress for us after that.
Hopefully the same doesn't happen here. But Carlos looks a sensible lad.
In other Sanchez matters, I really hope he's allowed to rest in the Blackpool game. He's been excellent so lets not wear him out. Likewise I would be resting Benteke. Bring the big man off the bench if needs be.
That's makes sense but then Lambert would get accused of not taking the Cup seriously.
I shouldn't probably think it, because I'm sure Lambert's made this very mistake many times, but Blackpool are just horrendous. I think you could chuck them in League 2 right now and they'd struggle.
I'm just concerned of burnout when it comes to League matches. I'd keep a strong bench for Blackpool, just in case we balls it up (we couldn't AGAIN could we?).
If Lambert was sensible he could rotate 2-3 players for todays game, then rest another 2-3 in the cup game bring the lads he rested today back in...but of course this is Lambert.
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Benteke has had enough rest over the last 12 months with injury and suspension. What he needs more than anything is games to recapture the form of a couple of years ago.
He has to play against Blackpool. It's the FA Cup for crying out loud.
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Benteke has had enough rest over the last 12 months with injury and suspension. What he needs more than anything is games to recapture the form of a couple of years ago.
He has to play against Blackpool. It's the FA Cup for crying out loud.
I agree about Benteke. Sanchez might deserve a rest before the Leicester game though.
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Benteke has had enough rest over the last 12 months with injury and suspension. What he needs more than anything is games to recapture the form of a couple of years ago.
He has to play against Blackpool. It's the FA Cup for crying out loud.
I agree about Benteke. Sanchez might deserve a rest before the Leicester game though.
Yeah I'm more concerned about Sanchez.
Benteke looks fit as a fiddle at the moment. In an ideal world he can come off on 70 minutes at Palace with the game sewn up (for us).
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If I was Sanchez I'd already be looking at my exit strategy, it must be soul destroying for him everytime he gets the ball to look up and see 3/4/5 players in front of him barely moving just staring at him - I think I saw Hutton make one run for him to aim at a moving target & that was it. Just can't see what they do in training beyond the triangle passes...
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If I were Carlos Sanchez I would be looking at my passing skills. It must be heart breaking for him to see his every other pass miss the team mate by a few yards to either an opposition player or out for a throw in.
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If I were Carlos Sanchez I would be looking at my passing skills. It must be heart breaking for him to see his every other pass miss the team mate by a few yards to either an opposition player or out for a throw in.
Sanchez completed 100 passes versus palace which was the second highest of any player in the league that day. He had about 98% accuracy v Sunderland
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If I were Carlos Sanchez I would be looking at my passing skills. It must be heart breaking for him to see his every other pass miss the team mate by a few yards to either an opposition player or out for a throw in.
Sanchez completed 100 passes versus palace which was the second highest of any player in the league that day. He had about 98% accuracy v Sunderland
Yeah the few times he gave the ball away yesterday was when he tried to encourage a bit of movement and urgency only for whatever teammate he was aiming for to end up flat fucking footed. Sanchez is absopositively the least of our worries.
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Signing Sanchez for £4m is exactly the thing to point to when arguing why we shouldn't be signing Tom Cleverley for £7m.
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You're thinking of the pass out right to Weimann in the second half. He passed it in front of him for him to move onto, but Weimann just stood still like a lemon.
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You're thinking of the pass out right to Weimann in the second half. He passed it in front of him for him to move onto, but Weimann just stood still like a lemon.
Yeah. I think Cissokho got caught leaden footed at one moment too.
Carlos at least tried a few forward passes too to try and make something happen. The movement ahead of him was dreadful. I would imagine he still had over 90% success last night though.
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He is a cut above. An attacking midfielder of his quality would be worth three or four places, which must equate to £4 million in prize money and make it worth the outlay.
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It's interesting to note his stats on Whoscored (a site which lists one of our playing styles as "play in their own half!"). He had a slow start when he was struggling to settle, I recall his pass completion wasn't massive. But obviously in the last couple of months he's really settled and his impact and starts are improving. His average rating is on the rise, as are his passing stats. I would imagine, if he keeps it going, by the end of the season he'll probably be the top player in our side.
I think his first 6 were a struggle. Then he had a very good game against West Ham in the 0-0. Since then he's been very steady.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/26720/Fixtures/Carlos-Snchez (http://www.whoscored.com/Players/26720/Fixtures/Carlos-Snchez)
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He has been excellent for us in recent games. We need someone with pace alongside him who isn't afraid to make runs ahead of the strikers
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He has been excellent for us in recent games. We need someone with pace alongside him who isn't afraid to make runs ahead of the strikers
I think you have just described Fabian Delph. In theory those two with Westwood or Cleverley makes a strong midfield.
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I think if Delph had been there to give us some drive we'd have won yesterday.
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I think if Delph had been there to give us some drive we'd have won yesterday.
He was sorely missed. It makes that silly tackle (albeit a harsh decision) all the more galling.
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If I was Sanchez I'd already be looking at my exit strategy, it must be soul destroying for him everytime he gets the ball to look up and see 3/4/5 players in front of him barely moving just staring at him - I think I saw Hutton make one run for him to aim at a moving target & that was it. Just can't see what they do in training beyond the triangle passes...
Well he's played for mid/lower teams in France and Spain so in terms of history this is the biggest club he's played for by far.
Plus he's getting a regular start in one of the strongest leagues in world football and earning significantly more than he was at Elche.
I think he'd be fairly content with life currently.
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Yeah I doubt elche were much better than us
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He has been excellent for us in recent games. We need someone with pace alongside him who isn't afraid to make runs ahead of the strikers
I think you have just described Fabian Delph. In theory those two with Westwood or Cleverley makes a strong midfield.
I think Delph has demonstrated there isn't a goal scoring bone in his body; nice back heel v Chelsea and pearler v Southampton aside.
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He has been excellent for us in recent games. We need someone with pace alongside him who isn't afraid to make runs ahead of the strikers
I think you have just described Fabian Delph. In theory those two with Westwood or Cleverley makes a strong midfield.
I think Delph has demonstrated there isn't a goal scoring bone in his body; nice back heel v Chelsea and pearler v Southampton aside.
Plus the goal against the Albion and a corker in the Cup a couple of season's ago, so no, not a goal scoring goal in his body at all.
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He has been excellent for us in recent games. We need someone with pace alongside him who isn't afraid to make runs ahead of the strikers
I think you have just described Fabian Delph. In theory those two with Westwood or Cleverley makes a strong midfield.
I think Delph has demonstrated there isn't a goal scoring bone in his body; nice back heel v Chelsea and pearler v Southampton aside.
Plus the goal against the Albion and a corker in the Cup a couple of season's ago, so no, not a goal scoring goal in his body at all.
So we've gone back "a couple of seasons", and got him up to the princely total of 4? Not exactly blowing the argument out of the water, is it?
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He has been excellent for us in recent games. We need someone with pace alongside him who isn't afraid to make runs ahead of the strikers
I think you have just described Fabian Delph. In theory those two with Westwood or Cleverley makes a strong midfield.
I think Delph has demonstrated there isn't a goal scoring bone in his body; nice back heel v Chelsea and pearler v Southampton aside.
Plus the goal against the Albion and a corker in the Cup a couple of season's ago, so no, not a goal scoring goal in his body at all.
So we've gone back "a couple of seasons", and got him up to the princely total of 4? Not exactly blowing the argument out of the water, is it?
Maybe not, but the 'not a goalscoring bone in his body' comment was there to be contested.
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He scored a nice one last season in the LC against Rotherham. 4 in 33 last season is hardly Plattesque but it isn't "he doesn't have a goal scoring bone in his body" either.
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He scored a nice one last season in the LC against Rotherham. 4 in 33 last season is hardly Plattesque but it isn't "he doesn't have a goal scoring bone in his body" either.
You know what he meant. For an attacking midfielder, it's easily the worst part of his game.
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I like Delph, he's a cracking littler player. He's a good all rounder, but doesn't do any one thing with complete aplomb, which is why he probably won't ever go to a really top club.
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Delph showed signs he might well add goals to his game last season. He's not looked like scoring at all really this season.
We could do with him getting beyond the strikers a bit more. His close dribbling is good and could prove useful in the box. I just wish we had at least one midfielder who wasn't scared of the penalty area.
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He's already at a really top club.
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You know what I mean :)
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I like Delph, he's a cracking littler player. He's a good all rounder, but doesn't do any one thing with complete aplomb, which is why he probably won't ever go to a really top club.
I agree. He may well get a temporary vacation at a CL club given he'll leave for nothing and it makes it more tempting. But within a year or so he'll be back at a mid-table club. You can't get by without excellent first touch and passing if you wanna play CL football. Delph just doesn't have it in the locker.
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You know what I mean :)
One of the Sky 5?
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He's already at a really top club.
Come off it, we're a joke of a club at the moment.
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You know what I mean :)
One of the Sky 5?
I Mean Man Utd, Real Madrid, Barcalona, AC Milan. You know, the clubs that any player would run over crying 9 years old fans of their current clubs to play for with a massive smile and £20m over 4 years.
Villa aren't in that league at the moment, as much as it's annoying to admit.
For the record, I don't mean Spurs or Liverpool which is where I think he'll end up.
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I like Delph, he's a cracking littler player. He's a good all rounder, but doesn't do any one thing with complete aplomb, which is why he probably won't ever go to a really top club.
I agree. He may well get a temporary vacation at a CL club given he'll leave for nothing and it makes it more tempting. But within a year or so he'll be back at a mid-table club. You can't get by without excellent first touch and passing if you wanna play CL football. Delph just doesn't have it in the locker.
I think his touch and drive are good as it goes. He is our only midfielder who can beat a man and he scores a few a season, too.
He just doesn't do it often enough and the end product isn't consistent enough for him to be a regular at, sorry, a top club. Maybe I'm talking bollox and playing with better players than he currently does will transform his own game from good to great.
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He scored a nice one last season in the LC against Rotherham. 4 in 33 last season is hardly Plattesque but it isn't "he doesn't have a goal scoring bone in his body" either.
You know what he meant. For an attacking midfielder, it's easily the worst part of his game.
How we play is hardly conducive for any midfielder to shine as an attacking force so Delph, or anyone, rarely plays like a proper AM. His goalscoring isn't the best part of his game but that is still different to not being able to score.
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Gabby and Weimann don't score enough either and they're strikers.
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You know what I mean :)
One of the Sky 5?
I Mean Man Utd, Real Madrid, Barcalona, AC Milan. You know, the clubs that any player would run over crying 9 years old fans of their current clubs to play for with a massive smile and £20m over 4 years.
Villa aren't in that league at the moment, as much as it's annoying to admit.
For the record, I don't mean Spurs or Liverpool which is where I think he'll end up.
Similar things were said of James Milner.
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You know what I mean :)
One of the Sky 5?
I Mean Man Utd, Real Madrid, Barcalona, AC Milan. You know, the clubs that any player would run over crying 9 years old fans of their current clubs to play for with a massive smile and £20m over 4 years.
Villa aren't in that league at the moment, as much as it's annoying to admit.
For the record, I don't mean Spurs or Liverpool which is where I think he'll end up.
Similar things were said of James Milner.
I never said them to be fair. I think Milner had such a great last season with us, scoring double figures and in cup finals etc. He was a much better player than Delph during that season. He also went to City when they were emerging as a big spending club. There isn't a Man CIty out there at the moment.
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Short, medium and long term.
I would like Sanchez to replace Westwood.
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Gabby and Weimann don't score enough either and they're strikers.
yes but Lambert has played them both out position on the wing basically for two years. Square pegs in round holes comes to mind....
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I made a few comments on the Spurs (h) post match thread that Sanchez put in one of the most inept midfield performances I'd seen in 45 years of watching the Villa.
Sadly, he's had a couple more shockers since, and last night put in possibly the worst yet, giving the ball away time after time when under no real pressure.
After the Spurs game I said I wasn't judging his overall ability and that it might have been a 'bad day at the office'.
The evidence now is fairly clear - he's simply not up to the job. I hope I never have to see him a Villa shirt again whichever league we're in next season.
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Sanchez was awful last night largely, matched only by the inexplicable mediocrity of Richardson. Shambolic.
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Sanchez was awful last night largely, matched only by the inexplicable mediocrity of Richardson. Shambolic.
I'm coming to the conclusion he's one of those players that looks really good without the ball - athletic, is in the right places most of the time - shepherds the opposition.
Unfortunately, when he does tackle he gives the ball away cheaply and often in dangerous positions.
Will he ever get up to speed with the league? Is he in fact good enough? I'm actually not sure.
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I completely disagree that he was awful. He won the ball countless times including for our second goal
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Sanchez is exactly the kind of player you want to break up play. But he needs a minder who can take the ball off him as soon as he wins it.
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Sanchez is exactly the kind of player you want to break up play. But he needs a minder who can take the ball off him as soon as he wins it.
He just under hits too many easy passes. Heart in mouth every time he has the ball under pressure
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Sanchez is exactly the kind of player you want to break up play. But he needs a minder who can take the ball off him as soon as he wins it.
He just under hits too many easy passes. Heart in mouth every time he has the ball under pressure
The annoying thing is, when we modelled ourselves under Tony M's West Barca Albion side, Sanchez would mop up and sit at the base. He'd have time on the ball and he's stroke the ball around like Pirlo. He looked a real player. But of course that style got us absolutely nowhere and we were devoid of any end product. But he was coming away with 90% pass completion rates.
But as we've seen, put any sort of pressure on him and his concentration goes. Likewise he's not a Reo-Coker style of midfield destroyer. He's not going to charge around the pitch and break things up. Normally when we have him do it he's late to everything. He gets skinned or has the ball passed round him like he's piggy in the middle.
Ultimately, most sides play a high tempo in this league. It's very dynamic. Unless he adapts quickly he'll go. We don't have the luxury of waiting on players now to be honest. If they haven't done it in the first 18 months, they need to go. If we're a solid mid-table side then I'm all for giving players a chance. As we currently are I'd say "that doesn't work, try another option."
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Thought he was pretty much what it said on the tin when we bought him: did a good job breaking things up in midfield but always risking a foul in doing so, strong in the air, not really much of a passer once the space closes down.
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It's not just his ability, it's the players around him. When he's got Cleverly and/or Delph in close proximity, he's solid at breaking up play and giving it to somebody else to do the fancy stuff. As soon as Cleverly went off yesterday (and it was also the case at Man U), he looks lost and becomes a liability.
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I thought that after Richardson he was our worst player yesterday. Not quick enough and loses possession in dangerous areas.
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What we're seeing now with Sanchez is a pattern; come 60 minutes he starts making errors. It's obvious he's not fully fit, he's had a very long season. For those 60 minutes he's more than deserving of the shirt and the criticism of him on here goes from the unjust to the plain right fucking stupid.
Why Sherwood never replaces him on 60 minutes I have no idea. Yesterday on around 72 minutes Sanchez carelessly gave the ball away and Rangers nearly took full advantage. It happens almost every week at around the same time. Whilst on the pitch he's great at breaking down the opposition, his pass completion rate is normally up in the +90%, he covers a lot of ground and tries to always make himself available.
His shooting however needs some serious work.
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His speed of thought and moving the ball on quickly needs a lot of work too.
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What we're seeing now with Sanchez is a pattern; come 60 minutes he starts making errors. It's obvious he's not fully fit, he's had a very long season. For those 60 minutes he's more than deserving of the shirt and the criticism of him on here goes from the unjust to the plain right fucking stupid.
Why Sherwood never replaces him on 60 minutes I have no idea. Yesterday on around 72 minutes Sanchez carelessly gave the ball away and Rangers nearly took full advantage. It happens almost every week at around the same time. Whilst on the pitch he's great at breaking down the opposition, his pass completion rate is normally up in the +90%, he covers a lot of ground and tries to always make himself available.
His shooting however needs some serious work.
Sorry Mark, but he was crap last night and I don't think saying so is stupid. His pass completion was 73%, lower than Delph and Cleverley which for the defensive player isn't good enough in my opinion. His misplaced passes often got us into trouble as well.
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I like him but as others have said, he can be a right liability
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What we're seeing now with Sanchez is a pattern; come 60 minutes he starts making errors. It's obvious he's not fully fit, he's had a very long season. For those 60 minutes he's more than deserving of the shirt and the criticism of him on here goes from the unjust to the plain right fucking stupid.
Why Sherwood never replaces him on 60 minutes I have no idea. Yesterday on around 72 minutes Sanchez carelessly gave the ball away and Rangers nearly took full advantage. It happens almost every week at around the same time. Whilst on the pitch he's great at breaking down the opposition, his pass completion rate is normally up in the +90%, he covers a lot of ground and tries to always make himself available.
His shooting however needs some serious work.
Sorry Mark, but he was crap last night and I don't think saying so is stupid. His pass completion was 73%, lower than Delph and Cleverley which for the defensive player isn't good enough in my opinion. His misplaced passes often got us into trouble as well.
He gets caught on the ball on the edge of our box far too often too.
And indeed, if he's always done for after 60 minutes, he really shouldn't be starting every game as it makes him a liability. We essentially have to waste a sub every game were we to replace him whenever he gets tired.
I think it's probably a case of a good player in the wrong league, at the wrong club. We've seen signs of his quality, but more often than not he's been a liability. We can't wait around for him to come good because as a persistent relegation battling side, we don't have the luxury of time. These mistakes could cost us our place in the league.
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What we're seeing now with Sanchez is a pattern; come 60 minutes he starts making errors. It's obvious he's not fully fit, he's had a very long season. For those 60 minutes he's more than deserving of the shirt and the criticism of him on here goes from the unjust to the plain right fucking stupid.
Why Sherwood never replaces him on 60 minutes I have no idea. Yesterday on around 72 minutes Sanchez carelessly gave the ball away and Rangers nearly took full advantage. It happens almost every week at around the same time. Whilst on the pitch he's great at breaking down the opposition, his pass completion rate is normally up in the +90%, he covers a lot of ground and tries to always make himself available.
His shooting however needs some serious work.
Sorry Mark, but he was crap last night and I don't think saying so is stupid. His pass completion was 73%, lower than Delph and Cleverley which for the defensive player isn't good enough in my opinion. His misplaced passes often got us into trouble as well.
He gets caught on the ball on the edge of our box far too often too.
And indeed, if he's always done for after 60 minutes, he really shouldn't be starting every game as it makes him a liability. We essentially have to waste a sub every game were we to replace him whenever he gets tired.
I think it's probably a case of a good player in the wrong league, at the wrong club. We've seen signs of his quality, but more often than not he's been a liability. We can't wait around for him to come good because as a persistent relegation battling side, we don't have the luxury of time. These mistakes could cost us our place in the league.
I agree with all of this, but it raises the question of who is our DCM? Many successful teams have 2 of these for the 4-2-3-1 formation, but we have not a one. Petrov did it well for a while, but he was shoe-horned into the role which was not his natural position. Westwood? I think not. Delph. Ditto.
In fact, a few posters have suggested Herd or Clark which kind of proves my point.
Which is that TS may will be of the opinion that we need a player in this position and that Sanchez, for is all his limitations, is better than nobody at all..
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I think the pace of the game can be a little too quick for him at times. Petrov struggled with it for a while as well.
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I've not seen too many players struggle with the pace of the league quite as much as Carlos.
As for the defensive midfielder situation. Not every club employs a destroyer, or even a deep lying midfielder. It seemed to be something that Timmeh was particularly keen on at Spurs either.
I think he'll probably look to bring in a couple of quality midfielders in the summer. We may go back for TC who's done alright. But I think we'll see Westwood and Sanchez get replaced by better.
Sherwood will probably look to get a couple of players up to Delph's standard. At that point he'll ever try a 3 man mid, or hope that we could play a 2 man more successfully if Delph's partner is up to par. If we play 2 at the moment, we don't have any combo's which are good enough. Sanchez in a two is a real liability.
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Assuming we stay up, of course.
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Assuming we stay up, of course.
Yes. Everything crossed. Rabbits foot rubbed raw. Deal with the devil. I've done it all.
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What we're seeing now with Sanchez is a pattern; come 60 minutes he starts making errors. It's obvious he's not fully fit, he's had a very long season. For those 60 minutes he's more than deserving of the shirt and the criticism of him on here goes from the unjust to the plain right fucking stupid.
Why Sherwood never replaces him on 60 minutes I have no idea. Yesterday on around 72 minutes Sanchez carelessly gave the ball away and Rangers nearly took full advantage. It happens almost every week at around the same time. Whilst on the pitch he's great at breaking down the opposition, his pass completion rate is normally up in the +90%, he covers a lot of ground and tries to always make himself available.
His shooting however needs some serious work.
It happens in almost every game and you can almost set your watch by it, yet neither Lambert or now Sherwood seem to act on it. I thought he was OK the other night up until he began to tire and he needs to replaced as soon as he shows signs of flagging because he soon becomes a liability in that he gives the ball away in dangerous areas and lunges into tackles. He has the physical and athletic attributes to play in the Premiership, he just needs to improve when in possession.
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What we're seeing now with Sanchez is a pattern; come 60 minutes he starts making errors. It's obvious he's not fully fit, he's had a very long season. For those 60 minutes he's more than deserving of the shirt and the criticism of him on here goes from the unjust to the plain right fucking stupid.
Why Sherwood never replaces him on 60 minutes I have no idea. Yesterday on around 72 minutes Sanchez carelessly gave the ball away and Rangers nearly took full advantage. It happens almost every week at around the same time. Whilst on the pitch he's great at breaking down the opposition, his pass completion rate is normally up in the +90%, he covers a lot of ground and tries to always make himself available.
An interesting perspective. It's also worth adding that once an athlete/footballer is exhausted then their decision making is one of the first things which suffers; so getting him fit may be worth persevering with. I'd guess that most squads are doing minimal fitness work at this stage of the season, so match time is weirdly/dangerously his best opportunity. Alternatively if Tim identifies this problem he should assign Sanchez additional fitness training.
It would be a shame to write him off after one season especially when there are mitigating circumstances (new club / following a world cup / Language etc) and on occasions he looks a quality player.
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I thought he was very poor against QPR. Many slow players are very good players but to me he needs to be coached not to get hot headed when he makes a mistake. You can see that he wants to compensate for errors but it makes him give away silly free kicks. He will improve when he feels more settled.
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Youre sign in should be Nice Brian, from Nice France,
he was bloody awful tuesday Brian, but only today was I told that Keiran Richardson was at fault for at least the first and the third goals, my excuse for not seeing that was the sacred Heart and the fact that I was in the lower Holte and I mean the lower Holt, and the friend that explained it to me was in the lofty upper holt good over view of the pitch.
So although I thought Sanchez was poor my peer advises me Richardson beat him to the wooden spoon for the qpr game.
all the best
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Trying to be nice Tony. Have upset a few people lately. Consensus of opinion is that Richardson was unfit/unwell.
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Trying to be nice Tony. Have upset a few people lately. Consensus of opinion is that Richardson was unfit/unwell.
He's been a bit shit even when he's fully fit though hasn't he to be honest. I don't rate Richardson at all.
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I'm not one to be negative or overly criticise our players but Sanchez really is a walking liability. Having watched the Man City game back again, and apart from the good finish for his goal, there's really not a lot that he brings to the team so I can only think that he's the best of a bad bunch to play as the holding midfielder.
I'm sure some could argue that he breaks up play, but he's consistently giving away possession when it should be a simple pass or mistiming tackles and giving away free kicks...either way he seems to cause more pressure on our back four rather than doing his job to relieve it.
His sending off at Tottenham may well have turned out to be a blessing as TS was forced to shuffle the pack and found a way to play without him. I'm really not sure if he'll make the cut as a Premier League footballer, and I'd rather not have this liability in the team at the moment...but what other options do we have other than Westwood in the middle of the park?
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I'd play Westwood against Everton
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I like Sanchez, but like KRS said the good work that he does (specifically breaking up play - I think his positioning is very good) tends to be undone by the aformentioned loose passing and reckless tackling.
However, I think the old chestnut about some foreign players taking time to adjust to the pace of the league might apply here, so I wouldn't be looking to offload just yet.
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I think there is a good player in there, definitely would not offload
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Too slow and far too many dreadful errors in key areas. I'd give him til Xmas to improve if not it's an offload in my view .
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It is such a key position that he does have to improve quickly to keep his place in my opinion. I hope he does as I think he is a good player and hungry to win but he just has to cut out some of the silly errors and poor passes. Simple stuff so I'd definitely be interested to see what sort of improvements are made after a proper pre-season with Sherwood and the new coaching staff. I'm not sure who else would be available at our price range that would be an instant improvement.
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I think there is a good player in there, definitely would not offload
It seems Sherwood rates him though, and that's what matters, not what the fans opinions are ;)
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I think he's a good player for 65 minutes of a game and then makes terrible errors thereafter. It's pretty obvious from that, that either his fitness needs to be worked on or he needs to be subbed around that time each game.
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I'd play Westwood in his role every time.
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Too slow and far too many dreadful errors in key areas. I'd give him til Xmas to improve if not it's an offload in my view .
Glad that wasn't our attitude with Petrov.
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I know fuck all about most things but I reckon he'll turn out to be a very good player.
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I know fuck all about most things but I reckon he'll turn out to be a very good player.
I'd probably be inclined to agree if he wasn't turning 30 just after Christmas.
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I think he's a good player for 65 minutes of a game and then makes terrible errors thereafter. It's pretty obvious from that, that either his fitness needs to be worked on or he needs to be subbed around that time each game.
If he has to be told to conserve his energy better, then so be it. I'd keep him guarding ahead of the center-backs and let Delph and Cleverley be the ones who press a little wider, and further forward.
He'll be better next season with a full pre-season under his belt.
He's just got to cut out the errors, particularly as they tend to happen in areas they can hurt us. I also wish he'd be more careful whenever he's on a yellow card. It's constant heart in mouth stuff. There is a good player there though, as he showed in that middle third of the season. He's just got to quicken up. If I were Sherwood I'd be getting people to press Carlos very quickly in training, to sharpen his reactions and decision making.
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He's basically a much cheaper NRC so far. Good at a certain job, but makes that job harder for himself with the amount of time he does a careless pass or gives away a stupid freekick.
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He's basically a much cheaper NRC so far. Good at a certain job, but makes that job harder for himself with the amount of time he does a careless pass or gives away a stupid freekick.
Ah, NRC.... now there was a Villa legend
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He's basically a much cheaper NRC so far. Good at a certain job, but makes that job harder for himself with the amount of time he does a careless pass or gives away a stupid freekick.
Ah, NRC.... now there was a Villa legend
We should re-sign him.
(ha ha)
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He's basically a much cheaper NRC so far. Good at a certain job, but makes that job harder for himself with the amount of time he does a careless pass or gives away a stupid freekick.
Ah, NRC.... now there was a Villa legend
We should re-sign him.
(ha ha)
Why would he leave Real Madrid to play for us? Or is it Barcelona he's at now? I think he plays for Brazil as well these days.
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Sanchez is a solid horses for courses player. I wouldn't play him every game because won't always need to employ a defensive or holding midfielder. But I thought he was absolutely fine vs Man City. His main thing is he tires by around 60min and starts to give the ball away too much. A bit of rest in the summer and he'll be a very solid player next season.
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He's got great hair and a nice smile so I hope he stays. Seriously though, it is a bit strange that he looked really impressive with his give and go's earlier in the season, full of energy and confidence, (the odd clanger notwithstanding) whereas more recently he's been more careless than previous in possession. The game at Arsenal was the nadir and he's looked better since but I'd hope Sherwood would know how to handle him right. Maybe it is the effects of not having too much of a rest last summer because of Colombia's fine World Cup.
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Sanchez is a solid horses for courses player. I wouldn't play him every game because won't always need to employ a defensive or holding midfielder. But I thought he was absolutely fine vs Man City. His main thing is he tires by around 60min and starts to give the ball away too much. A bit of rest in the summer and he'll be a very solid player next season.
for me, it's not the giving-the-ball-away bit but the edge-of-the-box lunges that do my head in. Last Saturday and the Spuds home game are two examples where his recklessness cost us in points.
There's a decent player there, I think, but he needs some serious coaching. KMac is the man to sort him out since he was a defensive MF in his time.
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He's got great hair and a nice smile so I hope he stays. Seriously though, it is a bit strange that he looked really impressive with his give and go's earlier in the season, full of energy and confidence, (the odd clanger notwithstanding) whereas more recently he's been more careless than previous in possession. The game at Arsenal was the nadir and he's looked better since but I'd hope Sherwood would know how to handle him right. Maybe it is the effects of not having too much of a rest last summer because of Colombia's fine World Cup.
Mate of mine regularly asks me "How is young Michael Jackson playing?"
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I'm going to stick my neck out here whilst resurrecting an old thread
I reckon Sanchez will grow into his role this season and adapt to the premiership and become undropable to the extent that he will be in with a shout of player of the season come May
so there you go I'm mystic meg
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I'm going to stick my neck out here whilst resurrecting an old thread
I reckon Sanchez will grow into his role this season and adapt to the premiership and become undropable to the extent that he will be in with a shout of player of the season come May
so there you go I'm mystic meg
I agree with that. Although CB isn't his position I was at the Notts game and I thought he was decent. The best of that back 4 by quite a bit. I was sitting lower trinity and it was scary just how shit Hutton was. It was also the polar opposite seeing Grealish up close, I've held off raving about him but he makes it look so fucking easy.
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I always think South Americans take a season to settle in the Prem, you could see he had class last season. I'm certain he's going to prove it this year.
If you don't love Carlos Sanchez you don't love football.
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I think it was his giving the ball away too cheaply last season that let him down, maybe that was the pace of the prem I don't know, but he is obviously a class player as he proves at international level
I have high hopes from him this season
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If you don't love Carlos Sanchez you don't love football.
Damn right!
As for him approaching 30, I still think we'll get at least a couple of great seasons out of him. Now that Delph's gone, Carlos has somebody to share the workload with and won't burn out after 60 minutes, plus despite having two busy summers with Colombia, Sherwood this summer gave him a full 4 weeks to rest. I'm really looking forward to see how his partnership with Gueye develops as I expect are our defence.
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He's got class, vision and he don't take shit...can be as cool as f**k at times under pressure (a bit too relaxed when giving it away cheaply a few times last season) and already looks as if he's settling better this season.
I hope to see him develop into a really strong player for us this season and beyond.
Cool hair.
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I was one of his biggest critics last season, but I'll have to admit that he's got the benefit of the doubt from me this season. He seems to have come back as a different player and would have him developing a strong partnership alongside Gueye. Obviously he's short of match fitness at the moment but he'll be one of the first names on the team sheet within the next month or so.
Watching the Notts County highlights on AVTV, it clearly showed he was knackered but considering he isn't a CB he did a great job at covering the mistakes of the other incompetents. If he can cut out his stupid mistakes conceding possession in dangerous areas then we just may well have a player on our hands.
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He's got class, vision and he don't take shit...can be as cool as f**k at times under pressure (a bit too relaxed when giving it away cheaply a few times last season) and already looks as if he's settling better this season.
I hope to see him develop into a really strong player for us this season and beyond.
Cool hair.
Yeah I hope Sanch can step up this season and become a regular fixture in the side. He has the physical presence to play in the top flight, but just needs to sharpen up a bit on the ball from last season. It was quite clear from the stands when he had gone at times during games last season, yet Lambert and then Sherwood both seemed oblivious and kept him on despite him continually giving the ball away and making rash lunges through tiredness.
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I was one of his biggest critics last season, but I'll have to admit that he's got the benefit of the doubt from me this season. He seems to have come back as a different player and would have him developing a strong partnership alongside Gueye. Obviously he's short of match fitness at the moment but he'll be one of the first names on the team sheet within the next month or so.
Watching the Notts County highlights on AVTV, it clearly showed he was knackered but considering he isn't a CB he did a great job at covering the mistakes of the other incompetents. If he can cut out his stupid mistakes conceding possession in dangerous areas then we just may well have a player on our hands.
I hope so but 60 mins in midfield at Palace is a little early to judge. I still have concerns over nearly half of our starting 11, Guzan, Bacuna, Clark, Westwood and Gestede, and we won't sign 5 by Tuesday so I'm hoping the likes of Sanchez, Crespo, Ayew, Kozak and Okore can really step up this season to put pressure on the guys with the shirt in their position now, we certainly need them to.
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Apropos of nothing, I just noticed he's nearly 30. Had no idea.
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Reports in press that he could be sold to Turkish club today .....
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Reports in press that he could be sold to Turkish club today .....
Could you post a link?
I'd be surprised if he isn't wanted as I think he will come on leaps and bounds this season, unless he's unhappy in the UK.
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Would be amazed as I doubt they'd be offering that much.
Sherwood rates him a reasonable amount aswell.
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Sorry no good at adding links but see below what I read ......
Reports in Turkey today are reporting that Besiktas are keen on the signature of Aston Villa midfielder Carlos Sanchez this summer.
It is claimed by Fotomac that the Colombian international is one of many names on the club’s shortlist to improve their squad before the upcoming closer of the Turkish transfer window.
The club are also said to be considering Boca Juniors’ former Real Madrid midfielder Fernando Gago and Rasmus Elm, who has recovered from ulcerative colitis during a spell with Kalmar in his Swedish homeland.
The same report quotes Besiktas manager Senol Gunes as confirming that the club will be signing one of these three players in the coming week.
Sanchez was signed by Villa from Spanish side Elche last summer after impressing for the Colombian national team.
He had a fantastic Copa America for his nation this summer but has been struggling to play regular football in England.
Villa have recently signed the likes of Jordan Veretout and Idrissa Gueye, making the competition for Sanchez in the heart of the Villa midfield even harder.
Villa might be doing the right thing by cashing in on the interest in the midfield powerhouse now, even if he does have plenty more to give the first-team.
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I do think Timmy likes him, but I suspect he would be one he'd let go if a decent bid came in. Not saying he should or shouldn't, I. Too think he could excel this year, but just a hunch.
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That just says Besiktas are interested. I expect that unless they offer something in the region of 10+ million, the club will tell them to fuck off.
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I seen this as well, wonder whether TS is pondering over a quick cash deal to help bring another player in.
I hope he gives Sanchez some more game time, he is a decent solid player.
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I could see him being sold to besiktas and give funds to strengthen. Gardner is in this season and perhaps a move for Mikel at Chelsea would be good if pogba goes . Dominos in full effect
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I'd be genuinely astonished if Sanchez were allowed to leave - I just don't see it happening at all, and today's performance is exactly why we should, and I suspect will, keep him. He was excellent.
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Pretty damn good today I thought. As was Ghana.
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I could see him being sold to besiktas and give funds to strengthen. Gardner is in this season and perhaps a move for Mikel at Chelsea would be good if pogba goes . Dominos in full effect
No chance of Sanchez leaving - crazy suggestion
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Yeah Sanchez and Gana looked like they could be a good pair and allow us to play 4231 at last
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The best I've seen from him today, commanding, skilful, and lasted 90 minutes.
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I could see him being sold to besiktas and give funds to strengthen. Gardner is in this season and perhaps a move for Mikel at Chelsea would be good if pogba goes . Dominos in full effect
Crazy idea.
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Yeah Sanchez and Gana looked like they could be a good pair and allow us to play 4231 at last
Completely agree. Westwood is a pretty decent 1st reserve too. The attacking players can then fight over the remaining 3 spots in midfield.
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It could be a big season for Carlos. Looked good today.
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Looking excellent with a few games under his belt now and he deserves plaudits for turning this around. Its almost as if we've got a new signing on our hands now...he's a completely different player and I'm sure he'll develop a great partnership with Gueye. When Veretout gets fully fit then I suspect that Westwood will have to make way.
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Isn't he just playing like he played around last Christmas time? He was very good then
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Just want to bump this thread to ask if anyone has a clue why he is blowing out of his arse in the second half of every game. They really need to look in to the causes because for 45 minutes he's really capable, then loses his legs and his brain.
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Yeah I spotted him blowing just before they scored their first...the tell tale signs are there for all to see as he starts making mistakes, slow to track back, caught out of position and making fouls to amend for his initial mistake. He hasn't had much of a break this summer and came back late from International duty so he's probably a few weeks behind in terms of fitness, but if he can't hack the pace then he needs to change his game or improve his fitness...with Gueye and Veretout available, then TS should have that as ap pretty much automatic sub on on the hour to keep our engine ticking over in midfield.
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Spot on KRS. Sanchez is clearly needing to be changed around 60-65 minutes each week. In my opinion we could do with changing 2 in the midfield at that point, simply due to the tempo and high pressing game we are playing. Gueye is perfect for it, but we need to be more savy about in game fitness through the 90 minutes.
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Maybe they are trying to get his fitness up to scratch by leaving him on? For me, he's one of our better players and ideally you'd want him lasting the 90 if possible. Not much use to us if he's panting after an hour though. Maybe the fitness will come if he pushes through it?
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Running, recovery, running, recovery, running, recovery. Repeat until he's ready.
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He did tire but they completely refreshed the middle and out numbered us.He is was the only defensive player ahead of the defence its no wonder he tired against the onslaught we were facing ..
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Thought he had a better game yesterday than he has for awhile. He needs to improve, but could be an important player if we are going to become tougher to beat.
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He was doing the work of two yesterday, just like he did for chunks of last season when he was banjaxed by 65-70 minutes.
From the bits I've seen his stamina hadn't looked like so much of a problem when he's had Gueye playing alongside him to share the load. Don't know if that's a false perception based on mainly only catching snippets of games so far?
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Certainly not his fault yesterday, we don't have anyone else like him, he and Gana could be crucial for us this season. For me, they both start every game.
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I'm confident that Sanchez and Gueye will form a formidable centre midfield partnership. He should have enough stamina if he's the player sitting deep, but if he tires then TS shouldn't hesitate to sub with either Westwood or Veretout. May be he's better off as the deep sitting player in a midfield trio but that would naturally limit our attacking options.
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He was still going strong in the Sunderland game. He was excellent that day.
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Carlos,Idrissa and Veretout. Now that is a midfield of note.
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Carlos,Idrissa and Veretout. Now that is a midfield of note.
I would certainly hope that the above is our long-term plan. Obviously it needs Veretout to show more/get the chance to show more than he has yet. But it certainly has the potential to be very solid.
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Carlos,Idrissa and Veretout. Now that is a midfield of note.
That's my thinking too. With a two in midfield we get over-run at some point. With Vertout (as I understand it) he can play both as a Ten and also drop deeper, so we'd have more flexibility and fundamentally a stronger foundation to build from. Versus both Palace and Leicester we were blown out of the water in less than quarter of the game.
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Regressed into last seasons form, still not match fit, can't play with the players around him or just not good enough for the Premier League?
I can't decide what it is and still hope he can form some kind of partnership with Gueye. I'm still not sure if Veretout is up to the speed of the PL yet, but either he or Westwood needs to up their game.
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Fantastic interview with Carlos on AVTV for anyone who can access it. He comes across really well. Highly recommend it. I didn't know he could speak French as well as Spanish and his English is coming on great too. I have always thought given time to settle we've got a really good player there. I think he's gonna be crucial if we're gonna manage to dig ourselves out of this hole.
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What did he say? Seems like a lovely lad altogether.
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What did he say? Seems like a lovely lad altogether.
Yeah he seems really nice and remarkably grounded. Said that it was an easy decision to sign for us when we came in for him as everyone in Columbia knows of Aston Villa (in no small part due to Juan Pablo). Said it was about all about the team and executing the game plan that has been worked on all week and not about the individual. Seems really happy to be working with the new manager and loves the strength of the Premier league as highlighted with the Man City result. Talked about how happy he was when he scored to make it 2-2 against Man City but then was really upset when we didn't get any points from that match. Has just had his 2nd child. Talked about the importance of beating Watford. Usual stuff I suppose just his honesty and enthusiasm jumped out - which was really refreshing.
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Fantastic interview with Carlos on AVTV for anyone who can access it. He comes across really well. Highly recommend it. I didn't know he could speak French as well as Spanish and his English is coming on great too.
He's spent the majority of his playing career playing for Valenciennes in France.
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It's really important he gets fit and stays fit, because we don't really have any bite in the midfield without him.
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It's really important he gets fit and stays fit, because we don't really have any bite in the midfield without him.
It's just as important those around him share the burden. Carlos is so important to our midfield but he can't do it all by himself. Hopefully we'll see the return of the Sanchez, Gana and Vertout midfield on Saturday. It's the strongest combination we've seen all season.
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He was doing the work of two yesterday, just like he did for chunks of last season when he was banjaxed by 65-70 minutes.
From the bits I've seen his stamina hadn't looked like so much of a problem when he's had Gueye playing alongside him to share the load. Don't know if that's a false perception based on mainly only catching snippets of games so far?
What a great word.
Is it Danish for F*cked? :)
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Oirish.
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He was doing the work of two yesterday, just like he did for chunks of last season when he was banjaxed by 65-70 minutes.
From the bits I've seen his stamina hadn't looked like so much of a problem when he's had Gueye playing alongside him to share the load. Don't know if that's a false perception based on mainly only catching snippets of games so far?
What a great word.
Is it Danish for F*cked? :)
I blame Terry Wogan leaving an impression on a young boy in the 70's. I think he even wrote / released a book with that name around the time.
I'm assuming it's semi-polite Irish for f¤¤ked.
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I reckon Garde will have a similar player to Sanchez on his January wish list. It is pretty clear without him we just don't have the same control in the midfield, and we need either backup, or someone to help him!
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Rémi Garde insists that Carlos Sanchez is a vital member of the team - because of his "different profile" in midfield.
Villa have ball players in the central ground, including Ashley Westwood and Jordan Veretout.
But Garde likes Sanchez because of his 'anchor man' mentality - his ability to break up play and spoil opposition attacks.
Sanchez was in the starting line-up against Man City and performed admirably in the draw as he faced up to the likes of Yaya Toure.
He came off the bench at the break at Goodison Park as Villa improved in the final 45 minutes against Everton.
Garde didn't want to risk him from the start after a sapping international break with Colombia.
But he was certainly happy with The Rock's contribution in the second half.
He stresses that, going forward, Sanchez will be a key player.
He told AVTV HD: "Carlos is a different profile to the other guys in midfield.
"He's a bit stronger and heavy-weighted compared to the others.
"When he came on at Everton, he did great.
"Unfortunately he didn't share the two weeks between the Man City and Everton games because he was far away with Colombia. He had a long trip back later in the week.
"I decided not to play him from the start at Goodison Park.
"But when he came on, I was very happy with him."
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World Cup 2018: Colombia dedicate win to Carlos Sanchez after death threats against midfielder
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44601358
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Just read something on Twatter indicating we've sold the 1.75m (or 1m and 75k) owed to us by Fiorentina to a bank so we can get it sooner
We cannot carry on scraping by like this month to month 'if true' can we ?
Farcical.
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World Cup 2018: Colombia dedicate win to Carlos Sanchez after death threats against midfielder
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44601358
That's pretty scary after what happened with Escobar. Hope Sanchez gets back into the team and does well.
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World Cup 2018: Colombia dedicate win to Carlos Sanchez after death threats against midfielder
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44601358
That's pretty scary after what happened with Escobar. Hope Sanchez gets back into the team and does well.
Same here. Good to see the solidarity of the Colombian squad. Hopefully after yesterday all is forgotten and forgiven.
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And didn't they look a decent side as well
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They are a decent team, the japan loss was just one of those games.
I think they'll beat Senegal to qualify
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World Cup 2018: Colombia dedicate win to Carlos Sanchez after death threats against midfielder
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44601358
That's pretty scary after what happened with Escobar. Hope Sanchez gets back into the team and does well.
Isn't it? Football really isn't that important.
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World Cup 2018: Colombia dedicate win to Carlos Sanchez after death threats against midfielder
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44601358
That's pretty scary after what happened with Escobar. Hope Sanchez gets back into the team and does well.
Isn't it? Football really isn't that important.
It's a proper religion in South America. Things have calmed down a bit in Colombia at least since the Escobar drug cartel ended. Not sure if anyone has ever been there off here but pretty nice tourist destination I believe.
Russian TV director yesterday was having a field day picking out the Colombian beauties in the crowd!
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World Cup 2018: Colombia dedicate win to Carlos Sanchez after death threats against midfielder
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44601358
That's pretty scary after what happened with Escobar. Hope Sanchez gets back into the team and does well.
Isn't it? Football really isn't that important.
It's a proper religion in South America. Things have calmed down a bit in Colombia at least since the Escobar drug cartel ended. Not sure if anyone has ever been there off here but pretty nice tourist destination I believe.
Russian TV director yesterday was having a field day picking out the Colombian beauties in the crowd!
He didn’t do too bad with the Swedes the other night.
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Weird, was just reading an article about the two Escobars yesterday and went looking for the film on Netflix but it wasn't there.
Article: https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/zm87j9/the-own-goal-that-led-to-murder
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I saw it a few years back. Very good film on a very sad story. The Colombia squad were actually invited to the Escobar prison to play football in lead up to 94 world cup.
Think a film has just been made and come out on the Brazilian football team plane crash in December 2016.
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December '16? Weird that I don't remember that and I do remember the Zambia'93 one.
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Weird, was just reading an article about the two Escobars yesterday and went looking for the film on Netflix but it wasn't there.
Article: https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/zm87j9/the-own-goal-that-led-to-murder
'The Two Escobars' is one of ESPN's best documentaries, right up there with 'Four Days in October'
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December '16? Weird that I don't remember that and I do remember the Zambia'93 one.
Chapecoensce.
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'The Two Escobars' is one of ESPN's best documentaries, right up there with 'Four Days in October'
I know that look. That's us.
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He's back in the team today.
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Congrats Carlos. Might come up against Delph next. Did they play together much for us?
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Congrats Carlos. Might come up against Delph next. Did they play together much for us?
Usually for no longer than an hour.
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Heading to West Ham, according to rumours. Be interesting to see how he gets on. He always seems to have had some talent, but we rarely got to see it. Good luck to him, anyway. Great hair.
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Thread title is now a bit mis-leading!
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Heading to West Ham, according to rumours. Be interesting to see how he gets on. He always seems to have had some talent, but we rarely got to see it. Good luck to him, anyway. Great hair.
Would run his arse off and then be fucked by the 70 minute mark.
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Heading to West Ham, according to rumours. Be interesting to see how he gets on. He always seems to have had some talent, but we rarely got to see it. Good luck to him, anyway. Great hair.
Would run his arse off and then be fucked by the 70 minute mark.
The run his arse off bit was the problem, I don't think that's how he'd ever played before, he was used to having an area of the pitch to 'own' and not having to do much outside that.
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Heading to West Ham, according to rumours. Be interesting to see how he gets on. He always seems to have had some talent, but we rarely got to see it. Good luck to him, anyway. Great hair.
Would run his arse off and then be fucked by the 70 minute mark.
The run his arse off bit was the problem, I don't think that's how he'd ever played before, he was used to having an area of the pitch to 'own' and not having to do much outside that.
I think you are right about this. He was not primed for running around like a cocker spaniel chasing a fox or hedgehog around a football pitch sized fenced garden.
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Sanchez reportedly signing for Kit Stealers aka West ‘am. Wonder if we get another sell on fee?
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Sanchez reportedly signing for Kit Stealers aka West ‘am. Wonder if we get another sell on fee?
We do. It comes in the form of a cheque which has some value to start with but completely disintegrates after an hour.
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Sanchez reportedly signing for Kit Stealers aka West ‘am. Wonder if we get another sell on fee?
We do. It comes in the form of a cheque which has some value to start with but completely disintegrates after an hour.
It's fine if you cash it at a South American branch, that only happens in Europe.
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Confirmed he's at West Ham, Sky reporter said he didn't impress at the Villa but had a good World Cup. Did he bollocks, only memorable thing he did was get sent off in the first couple of minutes of a game.
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Confirmed he's at West Ham, Sky reporter said he didn't impress at the Villa but had a good World Cup. Did he bollocks, only memorable thing he did was get sent off in the first couple of minutes of a game.
And give a penalty away to england
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It was an impressive rugby tackle, in fairness.
It made Maradona's eyes pop out of his boat race anyroad.
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Looked unsuited for the PL in his time with us but clearly can’t get enough of the claret & blue.
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West Ham have bought virtually a new team in the window. Any good luck Carlos and good luck West Ham, we might need it. Remember the 5 nil loss to Arsenal at the Emirates in the 14-15 season, his performance was one of the worst I have seen from a Villa player.
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Fuck West Ham, building their team with the help of the taxpayer.
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The mind boggles
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Calamity Carlos on his way back to the Premier League?!
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I just can't see him doing well. He was too slow and unsuited to the Premier League last time, and I can't see that that will have changed.
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It’s of course possible that Pellegrini will use him correctly versus whatever numpty we had in charge at the time.
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I liked Carlos and wish hem well even though it's at West Ham.
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Likewise. Might actually watch West Ham's next televised game, just so I can admire his hair.
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West Ham have bought virtually a new team in the window. Any good luck Carlos and good luck West Ham, we might need it. Remember the 5 nil loss to Arsenal at the Emirates in the 14-15 season, his performance was one of the worst I have seen from a Villa player.
We bought virtually a new team and finished bottom. West Ham have bought fairly well and should avoid the bottom six but I don't think they will trouble the top six.
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Well I think he’s a bomb scare of a player, he was here and from what I saw at the WC he hasn’t improved. Do we get any cut of this transfer fee?
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I liked Carlos and wish hem well even though it's at West Ham.
As is almost always the case, I am with Mr. Aftab with regard to this one.
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I just can't see him doing well. He was too slow and unsuited to the Premier League last time, and I can't see that that will have changed.
Agree Risso, the pace of the game over here was too quick for him. Looks much more at home when I've seen him playing abroad or in internationals.
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I thought he was an absolute clown shoes at Villa. I wouldn't say it was exactly an inspired signing for West Ham.