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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: YCCMY on February 18, 2014, 08:42:05 PM
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Hi, I'm from toonforum.co.uk and we like to ask opposition fans questions to use in our pre match build up. The questions are:
1 – How do you think you’ll line up?
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy?
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed?
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment?
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides?
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now?
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now?
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down?
9 – Scoreline prediction?
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Thanks in advance!
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1 – How do you think you’ll line up? 4-3-3 / 4-5-1. Guzan, Bacuna, Vlaar, Baker, Bertrand, Delph, Westwood, KEA, Weimann, Gabby, Benteke.
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy? Inconsistent but signs of improvement over last year. Mildly happy.
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed? Surprise - Delph's great form. Benteke has disappointed overall.
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment? Want him to stay as we need stability but if he was sacked tomorrow, I wouldn't shed a tear.
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides? Gabby for us and Ben Arfa for you.
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now? 13th
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now? 9th
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down? Man C, Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool, Spurs, Man U. Going down - Fulham, Cardiff and Palace
9 – Scoreline prediction? 1-1.
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be? A Potato. Bland, not very easy on the eye but I can't do without them in my life!
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1 – How do you think you’ll line up?
4-2-4. Guzan, Bacuna, Vlaar, Clark, Bertrand, Delph, Westwood, Gabby, Weimann, Albrighton, Benteke. Lambert may have you believe it's a 4-2-3-1 formation, but it'll play out like a 4-2-4 probably and a largely bypassed midfield.
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy?
Performances and football have been disappointing. Inititally results were decent but 2 wins in 12 league games since beating Southampton (which we would have hoped could kick us on to a comfortable run of form) is worrying. That we've not veered away from the 10th-12th positions in that time is fortunate, but also testament to how pour the bottom half of the league is.
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed?
Biggest surprise might be Bacuna. He's not a bad player. 4 goals and pretty dynamic. He's also played largely in an unfavoured position at right back. Biggest disappointments have been Lowton and Westwood who haven't kicked on from decent first seasons and have actually been very poor on the whole. Likewise a few of our new signings have been woeful, such as Tonev and Tony Moon, but if you pay peanuts you'll be lucky to get quality. For every Bacuna there's 2-3 players who are a bit bobbins.
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment?
Struggles tactically. No problem in motivation. The home form, low budget side or not, is inexcusable. Must improve or he won't last here.
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides?
Benteke and Agbonlahor for us. For you guys, I'm not up on who's injured or not, but you could do with Ben Arfa having the same sort of impact he did in the reverse fixture. He murdered us.
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now?
12-15th
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now?
9th.
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down?
I'd love for Man Utd to finish outside of the top 6 but I just reckon the attacking quality will be enough to overthrow Everton. Cardiff, Fulham and either Norwich or West Brom will go down. I think Poyet will get Sunderland out of trouble...sorry.
9 – Scoreline prediction?
Score draw. Two teams in dire form but I don't see either having the quality to win convincingly.
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Given we've had Graham Taylor as manager twice, it surely has to be a turnip.
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10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Given we've had Graham Taylor as manager twice, it surely has to be a turnip.
Sorry, I don't understand that. Can you explain it for me?
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10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Given we've had Graham Taylor as manager twice, it surely has to be a turnip.
Sorry, I don't understand that. Can you explain it for me?
Did you not read any of the red tops around 1994? ;)
I couldn't think of any other vegetable connections to be honest besides a turnip.
I'm now actually beginning to wonder why that question was even asked...
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10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Given we've had Graham Taylor as manager twice, it surely has to be a turnip.
Sorry, I don't understand that. Can you explain it for me?
Did you not read any of the red tops around 1994? ;)
I couldn't think of any other vegetable connections to be honest besides a turnip.
I'm now actually beginning to wonder why that question was even asked...
I know full well what it means. What I don't know is why a Villa supporter would think it's funny, or clever, to mention it.
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10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Given we've had Graham Taylor as manager twice, it surely has to be a turnip.
Sorry, I don't understand that. Can you explain it for me?
Did you not read any of the red tops around 1994? ;)
I couldn't think of any other vegetable connections to be honest besides a turnip.
I'm now actually beginning to wonder why that question was even asked...
I know full well what it means. What I don't know is why a Villa supporter would think it's funny, or clever, to mention it.
I'm not sure it's a question requiring a serious response. I wasn't trying to be clever or particularly funny. It was just the first veg that came into my head and I thought I'd answer question 10 having answered the previous 9.
Am I allowed to still pick a turnip on the basis our last two managers have been from Scotland? They love their Neeps and Tatties.
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10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Given we've had Graham Taylor as manager twice, it surely has to be a turnip.
Sorry, I don't understand that. Can you explain it for me?
Did you not read any of the red tops around 1994? ;)
Even if I did, I certainly wouldn't be regurgitating any of their shit twenty years later. Particularly if it were just to be obnoxious about one of the more dignified character in my own club's history.
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1 – How do you think you’ll line up?
4-3-3 (Guzan, Bacuna, Clark, Vlaar, Bertrand, Westwood, El Ahmadi, Delph, Albrighton, Benteke, Agbonlahor.)
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy?
In terms of position we are not far off where I anticipated. In terms of performances we have disappointed, though.
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed?
Fabian Delph has been good in midfield and really stepped up to be a better player. Ron Vlaar has also improved significantly compared to last season and he is absolutely essential to our team.
A few of the players who were so good last season have been a bit flat this. Weimann, Westwood, Lowton and Benteke being prime examples. Perversely though, we're doing better on paper than we were last season with those guys doing well.
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment?
Mixed. I think he deserves more time but there are question marks over his tactics and coaching at the moment. He seemed to get it right towards the end of last season and even the start of this, but since then we've regressed.
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides?
For us I can see Albrighton being important if he plays. He was excellent in the last game against Cardiff. I also see Benteke playing an important role, he's not scored in a while and is due one. As ever Vlaar will be important at the back and Delph in midfield.
For you, Ben Arfa always seems to play well against us even if he seems a bit hit and miss over the course of the piece. I think Remy is back from suspension and he'll be a threat to us, being your top scorer.
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now?
12th.
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now?
9th.
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down?
Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd, Everton for the top six
West Brom, Cardiff and Fulham to go down.
9 – Scoreline prediction?
2-1 to you. Your bad run has to end somewhere and from rumours your manager is under big pressure so I think you'll be up for this one.
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Brussels sprout.
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10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Given we've had Graham Taylor as manager twice, it surely has to be a turnip.
Sorry, I don't understand that. Can you explain it for me?
Did you not read any of the red tops around 1994? ;)
Even if I did, I certainly wouldn't be regurgitating any of their shit twenty years later. Particularly if it were just to be obnoxious about one of the more dignified character in my own club's history.
I wasn't trying to be obnoxious about Sir Graham at all and the guy's one of my favourite managers since being a fan. It was literally the only veg connection I could think of to do with the club and I'm beginning to wonder why the fuck I even bothered trying to think of a veg connection at all...
And what has veg got to do with football...
I'm leaving it here.
Apologies for any offence caused gents (and SGT).
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superom - you should have just said Swede and left it there...
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I'm just disappointed the old word filter on the T-word isn't there any more.
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Oh the humanity
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Oh, the fun when the general inadvertently used the t word.
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Oh, the fun when the general inadvertently used the t word.
I was gonna say Swede but didn't want to offend Olof Mellberg, but that's because he's proper hard.
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1 – Not sure, but I'd like to see Guzan, Lowton, Clark, Vlaar, Bertrand, Westwood, Delph, Bacuna, Albrighton, Benteke, Gabby in a 4-3-3 or possibly with a midfield diamond. If a diamond, then perhaps Weimann in for Bacuna at the point of it.
2 – Not hugely, but being realistic results were never going to be too much better than they have been so far. Perfromances haven't been as good as the results, however.
3 – No one has really surprised and me and disappointment wise I'd have to say Benteke, but there are a few candidates.
4 – Doing OK given the resources.
5 – Vlaar for us as we rely on him so much defensively. Not sure on Newcastle.
6 – Close to where we are and 10th seems to be our ceiling this season.
7 – 8th or 9th, more likely 9th now Cabaye has been sold.
8 – Fulham, Cardiff and WBA to go down. The top 7 is set now, so it's a matter of who finishes bottom of that min-league. I'm hoping it's Man Utd.
9 – 2-1 Villa - I'm an eternal optimist!
10 – Anything except a turnip ;)
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1) GK Guzan CB Baker CB Vlaar LB Bertrand RB Bacuna CM Delph CM Westwood CM El Ahmadi LWG Agbonlahor RWG Weimann CF Benteke
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GK Guzan CB Baker CB Vlaar CB Clark LWB Bertrand RWB Bacuna CM Delph CM Westwood CM Weimann/El Ahmadi CF Agbonlahor CF Benteke
2) Not amazing, but we're in a better position than last season and have gotten a lot off the wage bill.
3) I think Bacuna has impressed at times and is a good freekick taker, but better in midfield than right-back. Vlaar is our best defender, when he's out Clark and Baker struggle. Westwood, Sylla and Lowton have all gone backwards from last season. Tonev and Luna have been disappointing.
4) He could do with mumbling less. Has gotten rid of the dead wood on a tight budget, but no idea why he didn't sign a centre-back as cover in January and a creative midfielder would have been nice.
5) For us, Guzan, Vlaar, Delph, Gabby and Benteke. For you, whoever is replacing Cabaye in central midfield.
6) I think we'll 'make it exciting' by going on a poor run but be okay; say 15th.
7) You look nailed on for 9th at the moment, although 8th is possible.
8) Oo er, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurzzz, Liverpool, Manure, Everton. Then Norwich, Fulham, Cardiff (Cardiff look doomed).
9) Erm, 2-1 to your lot.
10) A potato, used to be considered exciting, now seen as a bit dull, but still essential.
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1 – How do you think you’ll line up?
Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Baker, Bertrand, Delph, Westwood, Bacuna, Albrighton, Gabby, Benteke
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy?
It's not been great, could have had a very easy run to Wembley if we'd have learnt how to beat lower league sides from Yorkshire. Premier league is just boring really isn't it.
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed?
Albrighton, really stepped up his game. Might be controversial but Guzan, seemed to save everything last year but barely makes a save nowadays. Still love him though as he gives his all and seems to really care.
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment?
Tactically clueless but a lovely man who i'd happily have a pint with.
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides?
Gabby, away from home his pace is crucial. Your centre mid, thats where we tend to always lose games.
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now?
10th - 15th. Could even be dragged into relegation if we're not careful
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now?
9th
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down?
Citeh, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Everton (maybe i'm being optimistic really Man U out) relegation, Cardiff, Albion and i'd love Sunderland or West Ham to join them as can't stand their fans / club
9 – Scoreline prediction?
3 - 1 Newcastle unfortunately.
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Has to be a turnip in honour of the legend that is Graham 'turnip' Taylor
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HA! just read the first page of comments about somebody else saying about Graham Taylor... Was first thing that came to my head too.
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HA! just read the first page of comments about somebody else saying about Graham Taylor... Was first thing that came to my head too.
I really wouldn't go there
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10) Rhubarb
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This is a crafty pre match ploy by Pardew.
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4-3-3 Guzan,Bacuna,Vlaar,Baker,Bertrand,Westwood,El Ahmadi,Delph,Weimann,Agbonlahor,Benteke
Not happy with the home form but reasonably happy with our points total so far
Delph and Bacuna have been the surprises and Albrighton could join them. Benteke and Weimann have failed to hit the heights of last year so far.
I will judge Lambert at the end of the season
Benteke and Remy
13th
9th
Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man United, Everton
Cardiff, Fulham, Norwich
1-1
Potato. Always part of the Premier League meal one way or another.
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HA! just read the first page of comments about somebody else saying about Graham Taylor... Was first thing that came to my head too.
Brilliant. Perhaps you'd like to explain why you're happy to ridicule a man who did more for our club than just about anyone else alive.
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HA! just read the first page of comments about somebody else saying about Graham Taylor... Was first thing that came to my head too.
Not funny.
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How simple your life must be if you let a flippant throwaway comment bother you so much.
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I bet the Newcastle guy never thought his vegetable question would cause such controversy.
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I bet the Newcastle guy never thought his vegetable question would cause such controversy.
This is just the the tip of the Iceberg Lettuce.
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I didn't think vegetables had even been discovered in Newcastle. That's what's surprised me most in this thread so far.
Potatoes don't count as veg. I've been told that many times when trying to pass them off as one of my five a day.
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When I read it first, it reminded me of one of those cringeworthy questions from Blind Date in the 90s.
"If I were a vegetable I'd be a cauliflower and you could be broccoli as we'd go togther so well!"
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This is a crafty pre match ploy by Pardew.
You mean Parsnip Pardew?
That mean really IS a root vegetable.
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1 – How do you think you’ll line up? Badly
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy? We lure teams into a false sense of security and then make them pay by bringing on Grant Holt. Relatively unhappy, can't see where we're going.
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed? Delph and Albrighton have been better than most, and disappointments are there in abundance; Westwood, Weimann, Luna, Clark, Baker, Lowton, Helenius...
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment? He seems tactically clueless, especially at home. He seems to have a mega attack of sense every few months, e.g. Liverpool and Arsenal away and making three subs at West Brom in November.
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides? For you Ben Arfa, Sissoko and Remy, and we need to rely on pace on the counter - Albrighton's crossing, Agbonlahor's pace and Benteke's finishing will be crucial.
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now? 10th/11th, but with a real good run we could pip Southampton or you.
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now? 9th, and if they carry on in their current run, 11th.
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down? 1: Chelsea 2: Man Citeh 3: Arsenal 4: Liverpool 5: Spurs 6: Everton
9 – Scoreline prediction? 2-0 Villa, both goals on the counter.
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be? [b]A potato, because once a blue moon (in my household anyway) they're roasted and taste nice, like the Villa - 1 good performance every month or so.
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When I read it first, it reminded me of one of those cringeworthy questions from Blind Date in the 90s.
"If I were a vegetable I'd be a cauliflower and you could be broccoli as we'd go togther so well!"
I hope she picked you John! ;)
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When I read it first, it reminded me of one of those cringeworthy questions from Blind Date in the 90s.
"If I were a vegetable I'd be a cauliflower and you could be broccoli as we'd go togther so well!"
I hope she picked you John! ;)
No, but it was the week that colossally fake bitch Amanda Holden was on, so I had a lucky escape ;D
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How simple your life must be if you let a flippant throwaway comment bother you so much.
Perhaps you just don't condone the ridicule of a club legend. Some of us are a bit simplistic like that.
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HA! just read the first page of comments about somebody else saying about Graham Taylor... Was first thing that came to my head too.
Brilliant. Perhaps you'd like to explain why you're happy to ridicule a man who did more for our club than just about anyone else alive.
A great football man too who still calls Villa "US" if you have ever had the pleasure of speaking to him. I work with a villa fan who thinks the "T" word is funny and find it amazing that any Villa fan would use it about such a great Villa man.
It is not.
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How simple your life must be if you let a flippant throwaway comment bother you so much.
Perhaps you just don't condone the ridicule of a club legend. Some of us are a bit simplistic like that.
Yes and such fierce riducle it was, you can tell Super Tom really wanted to be malicious - by the fleeting reference to a nickname that was used in the press 20 years ago.
Good job you are here to defend SGT really otherwise who knows where the harsh ridicule may end.
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How simple your life must be if you let a flippant throwaway comment bother you so much.
Perhaps you just don't condone the ridicule of a club legend. Some of us are a bit simplistic like that.
Yes and such fierce riducle it was, you can tell Super Tom really wanted to be malicious - by the fleeting reference to a nickname that was used in the press 20 years ago.
Good job you are here to defend SGT really otherwise who knows where the harsh ridicule may end.
With anyone thinking it's funny being told what a ****** they are, probably.
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How simple your life must be if you let a flippant throwaway comment bother you so much.
Perhaps you just don't condone the ridicule of a club legend. Some of us are a bit simplistic like that.
Yes and such fierce riducle it was, you can tell Super Tom really wanted to be malicious - by the fleeting reference to a nickname that was used in the press 20 years ago.
Good job you are here to defend SGT really otherwise who knows where the harsh ridicule may end.
With anyone thinking it's funny being told what a c*** they are, probably.
My advice - dry those salty tears that are running down your cheeks - take a deep breath - and try and gain some perspective on life.
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How simple your life must be if you let a flippant throwaway comment bother you so much.
Perhaps you just don't condone the ridicule of a club legend. Some of us are a bit simplistic like that.
Yes and such fierce riducle it was, you can tell Super Tom really wanted to be malicious - by the fleeting reference to a nickname that was used in the press 20 years ago.
Good job you are here to defend SGT really otherwise who knows where the harsh ridicule may end.
With anyone thinking it's funny being told what a c*** they are, probably.
My advice - dry those salty tears that are running down your cheeks - take a deep breath - and try and gain some perspective on life.
Aren't you the clever one? Perhaps you could tell us all what and what isn't important enough to comment on.
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1 – How do you think you’ll line up? No idea
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy? Nope
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed? No real surprises, lots of disappointments - lowton, Westwood, Benteke.
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment? Crap manager
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides? Us vlaar , you Ben Arfa
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now? 15th
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now? 9th
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down? Unsure
9 – Scoreline prediction? 3-0 home win
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be? Plain boiled potato.
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1 – How do you think you’ll line up?
433. If we are losing we will switch to 217
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy?
Disappointing, I expected us to be mid-table this season so can't complain to much, quality of football has been very poor at times.
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed?
Delph has been a big plus. Benteke and Weimann have been disappointing for a fair bit of the season.
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment?
He still has my support, but it's getting borderline at times.
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides?
Gabby. If he is on form we will get a result.
No idea. Does Micky Quinn still play for you?
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now?
11th
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now?
9th
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down?
Don't care this season about the top 6.
Cardiff, Fulham, Albion
9 – Scoreline prediction?
Smeg knows, we could win 3-1 or lose 3-0. We are a pretty random side.
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be
An onion, I love it, but sometimes brings tears to my eyes.
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1 – How do you think you’ll line up? The same team that started against Cardiff.
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy? We have gone backwards since the run in last season, The football is awful at times.
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed? How poor Benteke has been in comparison to last season. Tonev is dreadfull.
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment? I think he is very lucky to be in the job.
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides? Ben Arfa for you Bentekes performance good or bad will have a bearing on the outcome.
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now? 15th.
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now?9th
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down? Citeh Chels Arse Red Scouse Spuds Manure, Fulham Cardiff Norwich
9 – Scoreline prediction? 2-1 to the Toon
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be? A cabbage, dosent taste that great and cooked badly can stink the place out.
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Is it me or do any villa fans go on to other clubs websites and ask such stupid monotonous boring dumb ass questions,
If you were a vegetable, give me strength please god
Where do you think you will finish, no please I beg no more
Question back- why was Alan shearer a hero to you when he was a thug in stripes- kicking neil lennons head off and saying to the f.a. If you ban me I won't play for England.
P.s. Is bohemian rhapsody still at number 1 in the Geordie charts
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Is it me or do any villa fans go on to other clubs websites and ask such stupid monotonous boring dumb ass questions,
If you were a vegetable, give me strength please god
Where do you think you will finish, no please I beg no more
Question back- why was Alan shearer a hero to you when he was a thug in stripes- kicking neil lennons head off and saying to the f.a. If you ban me I won't play for England.
P.s. Is bohemian rhapsody still at number 1 in the Geordie charts
Hmmm, I'm guessing not much of that will make the final cut ;)
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Is it me or do any villa fans go on to other clubs websites and ask such stupid monotonous boring dumb ass questions,
If you were a vegetable, give me strength please god
Where do you think you will finish, no please I beg no more
Question back- why was Alan shearer a hero to you when he was a thug in stripes- kicking neil lennons head off and saying to the f.a. If you ban me I won't play for England.
P.s. Is bohemian rhapsody still at number 1 in the Geordie charts
Might need a bit of editing.
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How simple your life must be if you let a flippant throwaway comment bother you so much.
Perhaps you just don't condone the ridicule of a club legend. Some of us are a bit simplistic like that.
Yes and such fierce riducle it was, you can tell Super Tom really wanted to be malicious - by the fleeting reference to a nickname that was used in the press 20 years ago.
Good job you are here to defend SGT really otherwise who knows where the harsh ridicule may end.
With anyone thinking it's funny being told what a c*** they are, probably.
My advice - dry those salty tears that are running down your cheeks - take a deep breath - and try and gain some perspective on life.
Aren't you the clever one? Perhaps you could tell us all what and what isn't important enough to comment on.
Anyone who has met SGT will know what a brilliant man he really is, after meeting him the only word that comes to mind is integrity. I was fortunate enough to meet him before we beat Chelski 2-0 a few years ago. As I was wandering around the place a couple of hours before the game I spotted him in the press area with Alan Green. I had my son and my niece with me and went up to as for a pic. Being a bit star struck I just managed to stammer out "Excuse me Mr Taylor any chance of a Photo with the kids?" Alan Green answered for him. "No we don't have time we are getting ready to broadcast!!!!" SGT gave AG a look that almost turned him to stone, looked at my son and said "Right lad, you have the camera where do you want me?" He then spent 5 minutes chatting with me and the kids and was a true gentleman.
We were lucky enough to bump into him after the game, in the directors guest box, he came up to us and was great again. He even remembered the kids names and his enthusiasm was so infectious that he eventually had a crowd of former players around him. He then organised a group photo with Peter With etc, to be taken by one of the waiters, with a smile on his face he looked at me and whispered that one's for you.
I will not hear a bad word said about that man and I really wish he still had some form of influence over proceedings at our club.
I know the comments made on here were not malicious but if you cut SGT many of us on here will bleed.
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Just about sums up SGT. And Alan Green.
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Great story Fergal.
I think a lot of us felt for him during the England debacle, no one deserved the treatment he got from the press.
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Sir Graham will go down in history as one of the clubs greatest servants.
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He already has.
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Great picture, Fergal.
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Sir Graham will go down in history as one of the clubs greatest servants.
This. Imagine the abyss we could have sank into in 1987. Instead, promotion at the first attempt and runners up in the top flight, 2 years later.
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Hi, I'm from toonforum.co.uk and we like to ask opposition fans questions to use in our pre match build up. The questions are:
1 – How do you think you’ll line up?
451 transforming into 433
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy?
Crap. Expected much better however appears we have not improved on last season.
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed?
No one has delighted and Benteke has been disappointing.
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment?
Not happy with his views on FA cup and so far a big let down however I still want him around at the moment but if by Xmas next season we are no better than it's time to say goodbye.
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides?
If Ron Vlaar is back than we will be fine. Foy you Remy coming back could make a big difference.
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now?
About 11 or 12th.
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now?
9th
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down?
Top six..I really don't care as long as manure finish 7th. relegation Fulham, Cardiff and Norwich.
9 – Scoreline prediction?
We will win this 2-1.
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Sprouts at the moment.
Thanks in advance!
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Sir Graham will go down in history as one of the clubs greatest servants.
This. Imagine the abyss we could have sank into in 1987. Instead, promotion at the first attempt and runners up in the top flight, 2 years later.
I just wish he had told England that he didn't want the job... Oh what could have been...
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Not that I wish to dwell on this, but just for benefit of Quiet Lion and anyone else of a like mind, I think the point you’re missing is that in using the T-word in relation to Graham Taylor you’re prolonging and contributing to an unjust, vicious and personal attack on a thoroughly decent man. Mention that word to your average football fan today and chances are they’ll think of Graham Taylor immediately; that it still sticks in so many memories more than twenty years on shows what a huge and vindictive campaign it was.
Consequently, in the eyes of far too many of the great British public, Graham Taylor is an inept football manager, something of a joke figure and a byword for failure. Every Villa fan should be offended by that, and none of us should ever be reinforcing such a gross misrepresentation by using that word in connection with his name, even in jest. If we can’t even rely on all Villa fans to shun that pathetic label after everything Graham Taylor did for our club, then that’s a poor return for his efforts. He deserves so much better than that from you. If that’s over-sensitive then fine, but I’d rather be that than ignorant.
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Not that I wish to dwell on this, but just for benefit of Quiet Lion and anyone else of a like mind, I think the point you’re missing is that in using the T-word in relation to Graham Taylor you’re prolonging and contributing to an unjust, vicious and personal attack on a thoroughly decent man. Mention that word to your average football fan today and chances are they’ll think of Graham Taylor immediately; that it still sticks in so many memories more than twenty years on shows what a huge and vindictive campaign it was.
Consequently, in the eyes of far too many of the great British public, Graham Taylor is an inept football manager, something of a joke figure and a byword for failure. Every Villa fan should be offended by that, and none of us should ever be reinforcing such a gross misrepresentation by using that word in connection with his name, even in jest. If we can’t even rely on all Villa fans to shun that pathetic label after everything Graham Taylor did for our club, then that’s a poor return for his efforts. He deserves so much better than that from you. If that’s over-sensitive then fine, but I’d rather be that than ignorant.
If everyone involved in football had the decency and integrity of this man then the sport would be so much better off.
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Clappy thing for the Bathhouse
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Not that I wish to dwell on this, but just for benefit of Quiet Lion and anyone else of a like mind, I think the point you’re missing is that in using the T-word in relation to Graham Taylor you’re prolonging and contributing to an unjust, vicious and personal attack on a thoroughly decent man. Mention that word to your average football fan today and chances are they’ll think of Graham Taylor immediately; that it still sticks in so many memories more than twenty years on shows what a huge and vindictive campaign it was.
Consequently, in the eyes of far too many of the great British public, Graham Taylor is an inept football manager, something of a joke figure and a byword for failure. Every Villa fan should be offended by that, and none of us should ever be reinforcing such a gross misrepresentation by using that word in connection with his name, even in jest. If we can’t even rely on all Villa fans to shun that pathetic label after everything Graham Taylor did for our club, then that’s a poor return for his efforts. He deserves so much better than that from you. If that’s over-sensitive then fine, but I’d rather be that than ignorant.
Well said.
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For the record I would hope it was clear I wasnt defending the use to the T-word, merely the perceived overreaction to it given the flippant manner in which it was used.
But as I have discovered over the years on this forum some posters just love to climb up on thier high horse and circlejerk over minutiae.
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It shouldn't even be used flippantly, that's the point. No high horse required to make it either.
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It shouldn't even be used flippantly, that's the point. No high horse required to make it either.
Fair enough - if that is your opinion
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But as I have discovered over the years on this forum some posters just love to climb up on thier high horse and circlejerk over minutiae.
Not just on this forum - welcome to the Internet.
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But as I have discovered over the years on this forum some posters just love to climb up on thier high horse and circlejerk over minutiae.
Not just on this forum - welcome to the Internet.
This internet thingy might just take off. I wonder if I can look up naked ladies on it...
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1 – How do you think you’ll line up?
5-3-2. Bertrand, Clark, Vlaar, Baker, Bacuna ,Delph,Westwood,, KEA, Benteke, Gabby.
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy?
Some decent results early on, generally dissatisfied with the performances though. Seeing Arsenal fans whine opening day was a highlight.
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed?
Delph has been pretty good, Lowton at right back has been the biggest disappointment after the strong first season.
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment?
I like him. I like his constant tactical tinkering. I am concerned however about his tendency to go direct too often.
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides?
Vlaar for us & Sissoko for you lot.
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now?
Sadly somewhere between 14th & 18th. I had hoped we wouldnt have to deal with yet another relegation battle this season, but we are.
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now?
8th above ManU at 9th.
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down?
Top six, not us or you so it doesnt matter. Going down it could be us so it may well matter. I think Cardiff, Fulham & Norwich.
9 – Scoreline prediction?
0-0 with a missed penalty.
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
Cucumber. Cool as fuck and brings some much needed class to the salad of the league.
Thanks in advance!
Welcome!
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For the record I would hope it was clear I wasnt defending the use to the T-word, merely the perceived overreaction to it given the flippant manner in which it was used.
But as I have discovered over the years on this forum some posters just love to climb up on thier high horse and circlejerk over minutiae.
I agree and I am pleased someone stuck up for Supertom when it was clear there was neither harm nor malice in his comment. It is obvious Graham Taylor is a man full of class and integrity. Having lived in Lincoln for many years while serving in the RAF I have met a few imps who knew Graham and his wife and rightly hold him in the highest regard. Being forty something I remember his first stint at the Villa with great fondness. What an eye for talent; McGrath, Platt, Yorke and Calvin Hutchinson (?). Sometimes he even played Yorkie ahead of Ian Ormondroyd! A previous poster mentioned meeting Graham while in the company of Alan Green. What a contrast in personalities. One man a master of his trade with the humility and compassion to treat everyone he met with good grace. The other a churlish prig with a huge over-opinion of himself, who enjoys nothing more than jumping down the throats of those who have the temerity to offer an alternative opinion. In a way it is very much like the difference in posters you'll meet on H&V.
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Hi, I'm from toonforum.co.uk and we like to ask opposition fans questions to use in our pre match build up. The questions are:
1 – How do you think you’ll line up?
Ask Lambert. Or rather don't we'll probably have about 9 different formations in the first half alone. Seems to baffle the opposition and work away from home.
2 – How has Aston Villa's season gone so far? Happy?
Slightly worse than expected. Too close in terms of points to the drop zone for comfort depsite multiple opportunities to pull clear. Home form dire. The Cup defeat to The Blades was particularly galling.
3 – Who has been the biggest surprise this season for Aston Villa? Who has disappointed?
Kozak done well before inujury. Disappointments - Benteke, Westwood, Lowton, many of the newbies
4 – What are your views on Paul Lambert at the moment?
Not good currently. Personally I think he is full of shit in his post match interviews.
5 – Which players do you see being key for both sides?
Our front 3 v your defence.
6 – Where do you think Aston Villa will finish now?
Anywhere between 10th and 19th
7 – Where do you think Newcastle will finish now?
Anywhere between 8th and 9th
8 – Who will finish in the top six? Who will go down?
Fulham + 2 Others
9 – Scoreline prediction? 1-3
10 – If your football club was a vegetable, what vegetable would it be?
No comment.
Thanks in advance!
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For the record I would hope it was clear I wasnt defending the use to the T-word, merely the perceived overreaction to it given the flippant manner in which it was used.
But as I have discovered over the years on this forum some posters just love to climb up on thier high horse and circlejerk over minutiae.
I find the 'T' word offensive as well, I do hope you don't mind.
It was a lame, unnecessary childish dig at a manager from a newspaper who even today still lower themselves by bringing up the past of an ex-footballer who went out of his way to try and stop racism being acceptable on social media.
I'm sure the 'T' word dose'nt really bother him anymore, but to those of us who watched him pull this club out the gutter in 1987, he deserves nothing but respect. If you consider it an over-reaction, then i feel very sorry for your ignorance.
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Just about sums up SGT. And Alan Green.
Correct. On both counts.
Love that story Fergal.
What I like most about Taylor is the way he handled grief he got for leaving Gascoigne out v Rep of Ireland early on in his tenure. He has never given a full explanation to my knowldge - just sited it was for non footballing reasons.
Possible / Probable Gazza was smashed off his head on the morning of the game and it would be an easy crutch for SGT to use that as the reason but he never did to my knowledge in order to protect Gazza. Every England manager since (other than Woy) would cetainly have done so to cover their own back
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Sir Graham will go down in history as one of the clubs greatest servants.
This. Imagine the abyss we could have sank into in 1987. Instead, promotion at the first attempt and runners up in the top flight, 2 years later.
I just wish he had told England that he didn't want the job... Oh what could have been...
Everyone wold have been better off except for The Noses and The Bitters - not that either were any competition thanks to SGT himself.
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For the record I would hope it was clear I wasnt defending the use to the T-word, merely the perceived overreaction to it given the flippant manner in which it was used.
But as I have discovered over the years on this forum some posters just love to climb up on thier high horse and circlejerk over minutiae.
I find the 'T' word offensive as well, I do hope you don't mind.
It was a lame, unnecessary childish dig at a manager from a newspaper who even today still lower themselves by bringing up the past of an ex-footballer who went out of his way to try and stop racism being acceptable on social media.
I'm sure the 'T' word dose'nt really bother him anymore, but to those of us who watched him pull this club out the gutter in 1987, he deserves nothing but respect. If you consider it an over-reaction, then i feel very sorry for your ignorance.
I don't find it offensive. I do find it uttelry woeful and pathetic especially 20 years on.
The Sun - which for the record I wouldn't use to wipe my arse if I was short of toilet paper - has the reading age of an 8 year old so that age group maybe could find it amusing at the time.
Anyone aged 35 upwards should not need reminding of the job SGT did for us when we were at our lowest ebb in many of our supporting lives.
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For the record I would hope it was clear I wasnt defending the use to the T-word, merely the perceived overreaction to it given the flippant manner in which it was used.
But as I have discovered over the years on this forum some posters just love to climb up on thier high horse and circlejerk over minutiae.
I find the 'T' word offensive as well, I do hope you don't mind.
It was a lame, unnecessary childish dig at a manager from a newspaper who even today still lower themselves by bringing up the past of an ex-footballer who went out of his way to try and stop racism being acceptable on social media.
I'm sure the 'T' word dose'nt really bother him anymore, but to those of us who watched him pull this club out the gutter in 1987, he deserves nothing but respect. If you consider it an over-reaction, then i feel very sorry for your ignorance.
......as I have discovered over the years on this forum some posters just love to climb up on thier high horse and circlejerk over minutiae.
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For the record I would hope it was clear I wasnt defending the use to the T-word, merely the perceived overreaction to it given the flippant manner in which it was used.
But as I have discovered over the years on this forum some posters just love to climb up on thier high horse and circlejerk over minutiae.
I find the 'T' word offensive as well, I do hope you don't mind.
It was a lame, unnecessary childish dig at a manager from a newspaper who even today still lower themselves by bringing up the past of an ex-footballer who went out of his way to try and stop racism being acceptable on social media.
I'm sure the 'T' word dose'nt really bother him anymore, but to those of us who watched him pull this club out the gutter in 1987, he deserves nothing but respect. If you consider it an over-reaction, then i feel very sorry for your ignorance.
......as I have discovered over the years on this forum some posters just love to climb up on thier high horse and circlejerk over minutiae.
Yes, you've already said that but thanks for reminding us of your ignorance all the same.
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Again dont mis charactertise my argument into the strawman that I called SGT a turnip or that I dont appeciate his time at the club.
I just feel there was a gross overreaction to a throwaway comment about what vegatable would your club be. This apparently makes me ignorant and somewhere between Robbie Savage and Paul Tait on the scale of "proper villa supporters" then so be it.
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For anyone who is any doubt SGT was the best manager of this club in modern era.
He rebuilt the club on a shoestring, came within a hair's breadth of emulating Saunders and left a squad packed with talent.
What he did first time here was no fluke either. He did it at Lincoln and Watford (twice). I believe Wolves missed a great opportunity as he was slowly getting them into shape and he wasn't the disaster that some believe here second time around either.
He will always have the respect and gratitude of my generation of Villa supporters and yes if it means to some that we will get on our high horses to defend him then so be it.
To us anything that faintly condones the turnip image is totally offensive.
He is the ultimate professional, a proper football man without ego - a true gentleman.
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This apparently makes me ignorant and somewhere between Robbie Savage and Paul Tait on the scale of "proper villa supporters" then so be it.
Who's over-reacting now?
Anyway, if you're going to come on here and accuse people of being on their high horse and 'circlejerking' just because they have a different opinion, then don't be surprised if they disagree and respond accordingly.
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This apparently makes me ignorant and somewhere between Robbie Savage and Paul Tait on the scale of "proper villa supporters" then so be it.
Who's over-reacting now?
Anyway, if you're going to come on here and accuse people of being on their high horse and 'circlejerking' just because they have a different opinion, then don't be surprised if they disagree and respond accordingly.
OK fair enough - and as I appear to be utterly alone in my views on this subject. I suggest we agree to disagree and leave it there
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Is it possible that the Newcastle fan asked the question in the hope of being able to tittle and gaffaw over the reactions to the answer to the question?
Sir Graham - dragged us out of the gutter in 1987, and wasn't appreciated second time around when at least our home record had double figures in the "W" column. We'd kill for that now, wouldn't we?
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Is it possible that the Newcastle fan asked the question in the hope of being able to tittle and gaffaw over the reactions to the answer to the question?
Sir Graham - dragged us out of the gutter in 1987, and wasn't appreciated second time around when at least our home record had double figures in the "W" column. We'd kill for that now, wouldn't we?
In his second spell I largely remember the football being pretty bad, but then I watched 2-3 highlights vids from that season where we actually played some half decent stuff. Granted it helped having good midfielders in there like Barry, Hendrie and Der Hammer, and Vassell was a good footballer on his day too. 4-1 against West Ham springs to mind. We played some great stuff in that.
In retrospect it probably wasn't as horrific a season as we might remember in 02-03. Not brilliant by any stretch but at least we had plenty of satisfying days at Villa park. The funny thing is we finished on 45 points that season, in 16th place. I reckon that total will be comfortably enough to finish 10th this season. I don't think we'll get near 45 points either, but I'd still fancy us to finish 10th or 11th.
I actually think too that while on paper it looked as if Taylor took a top 6 team and pulled them down to 16th, I do think Gregory left at a tipping point. I think we were going to head that direction under him in any case. Same goes for O Neill, he fecked off leaving a top 6 club but I think we could probably sense we were likely to head downward rather than maintain or head upwards.
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Is it possible that the Newcastle fan asked the question in the hope of being able to tittle and gaffaw over the reactions to the answer to the question?
Sir Graham - dragged us out of the gutter in 1987, and wasn't appreciated second time around when at least our home record had double figures in the "W" column. We'd kill for that now, wouldn't we?
In his second spell I largely remember the football being pretty bad, but then I watched 2-3 highlights vids from that season where we actually played some half decent stuff. Granted it helped having good midfielders in there like Barry, Hendrie and Der Hammer, and Vassell was a good footballer on his day too. 4-1 against West Ham springs to mind. We played some great stuff in that.
In retrospect it probably wasn't as horrific a season as we might remember in 02-03. Not brilliant by any stretch but at least we had plenty of satisfying days at Villa park. The funny thing is we finished on 45 points that season, in 16th place. I reckon that total will be comfortably enough to finish 10th this season. I don't think we'll get near 45 points either, but I'd still fancy us to finish 10th or 11th.
I actually think too that while on paper it looked as if Taylor took a top 6 team and pulled them down to 16th, I do think Gregory left at a tipping point. I think we were going to head that direction under him in any case. Same goes for O Neill, he fecked off leaving a top 6 club but I think we could probably sense we were likely to head downward rather than maintain or head upwards.
One of the problems was the 2 beatings dished out by That Lot who had their best season in 40 years. That was part of his problem at Wolves - Villa were having a great season in 95-96 and Blues and Albion were Top 3/4 in Second Tier despite spending much less and were 10 places above them.
He signed a lot of dross for Villa though. An awful lot.
I think like MON, if we had kept Gregory it would have been a slide to mid table as opposed to the relegation scraps we had after they left. We were certainly not going to get any better under either
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Is it possible that the Newcastle fan asked the question in the hope of being able to tittle and gaffaw over the reactions to the answer to the question?
Sir Graham - dragged us out of the gutter in 1987, and wasn't appreciated second time around when at least our home record had double figures in the "W" column. We'd kill for that now, wouldn't we?
In his second spell I largely remember the football being pretty bad, but then I watched 2-3 highlights vids from that season where we actually played some half decent stuff. Granted it helped having good midfielders in there like Barry, Hendrie and Der Hammer, and Vassell was a good footballer on his day too. 4-1 against West Ham springs to mind. We played some great stuff in that.
In retrospect it probably wasn't as horrific a season as we might remember in 02-03. Not brilliant by any stretch but at least we had plenty of satisfying days at Villa park. The funny thing is we finished on 45 points that season, in 16th place. I reckon that total will be comfortably enough to finish 10th this season. I don't think we'll get near 45 points either, but I'd still fancy us to finish 10th or 11th.
I actually think too that while on paper it looked as if Taylor took a top 6 team and pulled them down to 16th, I do think Gregory left at a tipping point. I think we were going to head that direction under him in any case. Same goes for O Neill, he fecked off leaving a top 6 club but I think we could probably sense we were likely to head downward rather than maintain or head upwards.
One of the problems was the 2 beatings dished out by That Lot who had their best season in 40 years. That was part of his problem at Wolves - Villa were having a great season in 95-96 and Blues and Albion were Top 3/4 in Second Tier despite spending much less and were 10 places above them.
He signed a lot of dross for Villa though. An awful lot.
I think like MON, if we had kept Gregory it would have been a slide to mid table as opposed to the relegation scraps we had after they left. We were certainly not going to get any better under either
Ha ha. I'd genuinely forgot about THOSE two games. They must have been repressed. I shall be having nightmares about Pete Enckelman tonight no doubt.
Yes, I don't think we'd have slid below mid-table under JG or O Neill, initially at first anyhow. I think the manner in which they left, more so O Neill of course, did a lot of damage.
I don't think SGT was probably ever considered (or considered himself) to be anything more than a stop gap second time around. I wonder if a lot of his signings, experienced players who'd been around a long time and wouldn't stay too long, reflected that too. It's also funny thinking back to how excited many were at the prospect, and seeming ambition of having a manager like David O Leary come to the club.
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I'd say potato.
Dull as fuck unless it's prepared properly. Everybody thinks potatoes are ok and they're inoffensive, nothing special, but every now and again you get a portion of chips or dauphinoise that really is exceptional.
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I'd say potato.
Dull as fuck unless it's prepared properly. Everybody thinks potatoes are ok and they're inoffensive, nothing special, but every now and again you get a portion of chips or dauphinoise that really is exceptional.
They often end up getting roasted or mashed!
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I'd say potato.
Dull as fuck unless it's prepared properly. Everybody thinks potatoes are ok and they're inoffensive, nothing special, but every now and again you get a portion of chips or dauphinoise that really is exceptional.
They often end up getting roasted or mashed!
Half baked potatoes at home?
Apologies terrible quip
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I'd say potato.
Dull as fuck unless it's prepared properly. Everybody thinks potatoes are ok and they're inoffensive, nothing special, but every now and again you get a portion of chips or dauphinoise that really is exceptional.
They often end up getting roasted or mashed!
Half baked potatoes at home?
Apologies terrible quip
Our potatoes are often better in someone elses field. At home we're bog standard smart price boiled in saltless water. Away from home we're a well roasted maris piper. At least some of the time anyway.
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I have plenty of disdain for use of the T word in connection with Villa/SGT, as I do when Villa fans are called Fickle (often by our own) and Curtis Davies is dismissed as a pub player. They are al examples of crass, empty cliches that are rolled out too easily and have become associated in the minds of many people with certain ideas. However I find them irritating at worst and I'm not about to spontaneously self combust with unrighteous indignation when I read such comments, especially when used in an obviously light hearted context. Since leaving the UK 9 yeas ago I've noticed an increasing trend for people there to go out of their way to find/take offence at almost anything, and to come over all precious and pompous at the drop of a hat. I've had over-sensitive professional offence-takers taking me to task several times recently over literally nothing. Asking someone to "explain themselves" is going a bit far in my book - isn't everyone entitled to an opinion, as long as it isn't promoting hate? Or do we want to get all quasi-religious, and start using the word blasphemy if anything bad is said about club legends? I think a bit of lightening up wouldn't go amiss in some quarters, especially n a situation where a mild tsk tsk would serve the purpose. So tut tut SuperTom you Cheeky Monkey (oh Fuck I hope you isn't black) I mean Scamp.
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Well said KT
If people use racist, homophobic or other offensive language likely to incite hate or violence - written or verbal or much worse threaten to harm / kill my family or friends I will get offended. Very offended.
Irritating and pathetic as well as extremely unoriginal and lazy would be my take on those cliches. Same as my take on Mark Lawrenson in fact.
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For the record Mark Lawerenson is one of the few things that offend me deeply.
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However I find them irritating at worst and I'm not about to spontaneously self combust with unrighteous indignation when I read such comments, especially when used in an obviously light hearted context. Since leaving the UK 9 yeas ago I've noticed an increasing trend for people there to go out of their way to find/take offence at almost anything, and to come over all precious and pompous at the drop of a hat. I've had over-sensitive professional offence-takers taking me to task several times recently over literally nothing. Asking someone to "explain themselves" is going a bit far in my book - isn't everyone entitled to an opinion, as long as it isn't promoting hate? Or do we want to get all quasi-religious, and start using the word blasphemy if anything bad is said about club legends? I think a bit of lightening up wouldn't go amiss in some quarters, especially n a situation where a mild tsk tsk would serve the purpose. So tut tut SuperTom you Cheeky Monkey (oh Fuck I hope you isn't black) I mean Scamp.
Oh, please, you talk about people overreacting then put in a prime example of it yourself!
It's an opinion not many people agree with. I hardly think using terms like "explain yourself" or referring to things as blasphemy is over the top - not unless you're going out of your way to take things far too seriously yourself and forget to remember that we're talking about football, not matters of homophobia or racism or whatever, and people are keeping this in mind when reading what people write.
The way I read it, if someone comes on here and says "Paul McGrath was overrated" or "SGT was a total turnip" or whatever, and there are a slew of "explain yourself" / "how dare you" / "blasphemy" replies, people aren't really, actually expressing the same sort of indignation you'd get if someone started throwing around racist abuse or something.
In other words, whilst people's disagreement isn't fake, the way they phrase it is somewhat tongue in cheek.
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This apparently makes me ignorant and somewhere between Robbie Savage and Paul Tait on the scale of "proper villa supporters" then so be it.
Who's over-reacting now?
Anyway, if you're going to come on here and accuse people of being on their high horse and 'circlejerking' just because they have a different opinion, then don't be surprised if they disagree and respond accordingly.
OK fair enough - and as I appear to be utterly alone in my views on this subject. I suggest we agree to disagree and leave it there
You are not totally alone at all. Many Villa supporters joined in the 'Taylor out' chants and need to remember this. His appointment as England manager was the kiss of death as it usually is with Villa people becoming associated with the national team.
We must not become pompous over this. Plenty of people slagged Graham Taylor but have since become to appreciate what a good man he is. An innocent remark about Mr.Taylor being called a 'Turnip' does not need blowing out of proportion. It was obviously not meant to be derogatory.
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Im to young to comment on Graham Taylor's first stint in charge but the 02/03 season was up there with the McLeish year for me. I never slagged Taylor off myself but i hated that year. I went to every away game that year and we only won once up at Middlesboro on a Tuesday night, also being spanked by the noses twice and seeing the likes of De La Cruz, Kinsella, Leonhardson and Michael Boulding play. Also Ronny Johnson in midfied. The fact no one knew Ian Taylor was playing his last game for us at Leeds last game also pissed me off.
I remember being at Man Utd away in 02 and there were Villa fans in the pub singing "Graham Taylor has got a fuckin turnip head" and these people were definatley old enough to remember him in charge the first time. Also it sounded like the whole ground was booing him at the last home game when he was trying to speak.
Its strange how people loved him the first time but he got treated really badly the second time by the same fans.
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However I find them irritating at worst and I'm not about to spontaneously self combust with unrighteous indignation when I read such comments, especially when used in an obviously light hearted context. Since leaving the UK 9 yeas ago I've noticed an increasing trend for people there to go out of their way to find/take offence at almost anything, and to come over all precious and pompous at the drop of a hat. I've had over-sensitive professional offence-takers taking me to task several times recently over literally nothing. Asking someone to "explain themselves" is going a bit far in my book - isn't everyone entitled to an opinion, as long as it isn't promoting hate? Or do we want to get all quasi-religious, and start using the word blasphemy if anything bad is said about club legends? I think a bit of lightening up wouldn't go amiss in some quarters, especially n a situation where a mild tsk tsk would serve the purpose. So tut tut SuperTom you Cheeky Monkey (oh Fuck I hope you isn't black) I mean Scamp.
Oh, please, you talk about people overreacting then put in a prime example of it yourself!
It's an opinion not many people agree with. I hardly think using terms like "explain yourself" or referring to things as blasphemy is over the top - not unless you're going out of your way to take things far too seriously yourself and forget to remember that we're talking about football, not matters of homophobia or racism or whatever, and people are keeping this in mind when reading what people write.
The way I read it, if someone comes on here and says "Paul McGrath was overrated" or "SGT was a total turnip" or whatever, and there are a slew of "explain yourself" / "how dare you" / "blasphemy" replies, people aren't really, actually expressing the same sort of indignation you'd get if someone started throwing around racist abuse or something.
In other words, whilst people's disagreement isn't fake, the way they phrase it is somewhat tongue in cheek.
You sound a bit annoyed Paulie. Sorry, you normally talk a lot of sense, and I generally respect your opinion, but not this time. The old "you're overreacting yourself if you think his reaction is an overreaction" trick is a popular rhetorical device but on this occasion I really don't think it holds any water. For sure you cannot always detect humourous elements like irony, sarcasm and self-deprecation over t'internet but trying to claim that some of the reactions above are obviously tongue in cheek is stretching credibility in my view. The fact we are talking about football is exactly my point, so I'm not sure why you are invoking it against me.
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In 02/03 I felt Taylor didn't play our strongest side and signed players we didn't really need like Crouch and maybe Allback.
He didn't really rate JPA who was our top scorer in the season before and the season after Taylor's second coming. I think he underachieved with that side and the fact that DO'L was able to take it to sixth the following season would support that.
Not condoning negative reaction but we did only just avoid relegation that season. Even people who aren't old enough to remember Taylor as our manager can appreciate what he did for the club. Doesn't mean he should be above criticism either.
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However I find them irritating at worst and I'm not about to spontaneously self combust with unrighteous indignation when I read such comments, especially when used in an obviously light hearted context. Since leaving the UK 9 yeas ago I've noticed an increasing trend for people there to go out of their way to find/take offence at almost anything, and to come over all precious and pompous at the drop of a hat. I've had over-sensitive professional offence-takers taking me to task several times recently over literally nothing. Asking someone to "explain themselves" is going a bit far in my book - isn't everyone entitled to an opinion, as long as it isn't promoting hate? Or do we want to get all quasi-religious, and start using the word blasphemy if anything bad is said about club legends? I think a bit of lightening up wouldn't go amiss in some quarters, especially n a situation where a mild tsk tsk would serve the purpose. So tut tut SuperTom you Cheeky Monkey (oh Fuck I hope you isn't black) I mean Scamp.
Oh, please, you talk about people overreacting then put in a prime example of it yourself!
It's an opinion not many people agree with. I hardly think using terms like "explain yourself" or referring to things as blasphemy is over the top - not unless you're going out of your way to take things far too seriously yourself and forget to remember that we're talking about football, not matters of homophobia or racism or whatever, and people are keeping this in mind when reading what people write.
The way I read it, if someone comes on here and says "Paul McGrath was overrated" or "SGT was a total turnip" or whatever, and there are a slew of "explain yourself" / "how dare you" / "blasphemy" replies, people aren't really, actually expressing the same sort of indignation you'd get if someone started throwing around racist abuse or something.
In other words, whilst people's disagreement isn't fake, the way they phrase it is somewhat tongue in cheek.
You sound a bit annoyed Paulie. Sorry, you normally talk a lot of sense, and I generally respect your opinion, but not this time. The old "you're overreacting yourself if you think his reaction is an overreaction" trick is a popular rhetorical device but on this occasion I really don't think it holds any water. For sure you cannot always detect humourous elements like irony, sarcasm and self-deprecation over t'internet but trying to claim that some of the reactions above are obviously tongue in cheek is stretching credibility in my view. The fact we are talking about football is exactly my point, so I'm not sure why you are invoking it against me.
Because I think you too are overreacting.
I don't know why you thought I sounded annoyed. I'm not. I'm just disagreeing with you.
Actually, weren't you complaining about people being unable to disagree?
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Paulie I am quite aware you disagreeing with me and have no problem with that. The annoyance thing was merely an observation - perhaps the "oh please" and exclamation mark created an impression of irritation on your part. Interesting that you started with saying that the posters I referred to were not overreacting at all, and they were merely tongue in cheek rebukes, and now you appear to be saying both them and I were overreacting. You appear to be contradicting yourself. In any case, by all means feel free to try and sell the idea that my comments are as much of an overreaction as the others as much as you like, but I aint buying it.
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Im to young to comment on Graham Taylor's first stint in charge but the 02/03 season was up there with the McLeish year for me. I never slagged Taylor off myself but i hated that year. I went to every away game that year and we only won once up at Middlesboro on a Tuesday night, also being spanked by the noses twice and seeing the likes of De La Cruz, Kinsella, Leonhardson and Michael Boulding play. Also Ronny Johnson in midfied. The fact no one knew Ian Taylor was playing his last game for us at Leeds last game also pissed me off.
I remember being at Man Utd away in 02 and there were Villa fans in the pub singing "Graham Taylor has got a fuckin turnip head" and these people were definatley old enough to remember him in charge the first time. Also it sounded like the whole ground was booing him at the last home game when he was trying to speak.
Its strange how people loved him the first time but he got treated really badly the second time by the same fans.
Coming onto the pitch after his last game and trying to acknowledge and explain about the season to the supporters was one of the bravest acts I've ever seen from afootball manager and is a mark of his integrity.It's a pity a number of the crowd,not all, refused to listen and booed him.Iwrote to him about it and,the day after he left recieved a response that was direct,modest and humble.Even with all the things going on at that time he stil took time out for an ordinary supporter. He'd be a great bloke in any walk of life.
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I've so killed this thread. It's something akin to Mr Magoo almost blissfully unaware he's left a trail of destruction behind him.
;D
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I don't want to get into a back and forth about your comments vs the original ones, honestly, I can't be bothered, and what's the point?
I'm genuinely, honestly not saying anything other than that when people write stuff on here like "blasphemy!" or whichever other over the top reaction when someone offers a controversial opinion, really, it's worth remembering, it's just a web site where a group of us - mostly people who would argue with their own arses, given a chance - spend stupid amounts of time bickering, and you should really take pretty much every single thing you read here in HD with a pinch of salt (or at least a hint of it).
To compare it to people overreacting about real problems in life just strikes me as giving this place an importance which it doesn't really merit.
It's like when people talk on here about how Villa is more important than this or that real life concern, it's right up there with family in terms of importance etc etc. Personally, when I read stuff like that, I just roll my eyes and remember that they're really just grandstanding. They don't actually mean it literally.
I thought SGT did a great job for us, I really do. If I read another poster, say someone too young to recall that period, calling him a turnip or whatever, I might offer a "WTF?" or a "how very dare you!" but I'd be doing so with the tacit acknowledgement that I'm not really as mortally offended as my reply suggests, which i really think is the way the vast majority of people on here would be.
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Is it me or do any villa fans go on to other clubs websites and ask such stupid monotonous boring dumb ass questions,
If you were a vegetable, give me strength please god
Where do you think you will finish, no please I beg no more
Question back- why was Alan shearer a hero to you when he was a thug in stripes- kicking neil lennons head off and saying to the f.a. If you ban me I won't play for England.
P.s. Is bohemian rhapsody still at number 1 in the Geordie charts
Hmmm, I'm guessing not much of that will make the final cut ;)
On the contrary, it makes the final cut
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Any chance of a direct link, please?
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This thread has been fun to read, thanks for the great response, most forums don't bother! Thanks for bothering. I'm expecting a draw tomorrow, but you guys could easily win. You play well away from home and we've been dreadful for the past month. Our last goalscorer was Cabaye so that tells you everything you need to know about our recent form.
The thread is here if you want to check it out.
http://toonforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6155
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Thank you.
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This thread has been fun to read, thanks for the great response, most forums don't bother! Thanks for bothering. I'm expecting a draw tomorrow, but you guys could easily win. You play well away from home and we've been dreadful for the past month. Our last goalscorer was Cabaye so that tells you everything you need to know about our recent form.
The thread is here if you want to check it out.
http://toonforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6155
Fair play mate - we normally respond to other fans constructively providing they are not WUMs. Ask Liam the Baggie.
As you can see brief Graham Taylor did for us what Keegan did for your lot but without leaving us with a huge debt.
He was also margainly better England manager than Wor Kev. Only just mind.
Also like KK he should not have took the job the 2nd time.
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Good to see a sense of humour still exists In Geordie land. Good luck.
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This thread has been fun to read, thanks for the great response, most forums don't bother! Thanks for bothering. I'm expecting a draw tomorrow, but you guys could easily win. You play well away from home and we've been dreadful for the past month. Our last goalscorer was Cabaye so that tells you everything you need to know about our recent form.
The thread is here if you want to check it out.
http://toonforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6155
Good stuff.
Thanks for accidentally igniting the mother of all rucks on here, too
*wink*
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I not sure because of his Geordie twang but I think Albert's chip shop likes us.