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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: N'Zimidy on December 26, 2013, 04:54:23 PM
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End of the road for Mr Mumbles. Absolutely disgraceful for months now.
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In before the.......
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wibble
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is it banned to say wibble on here?
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w i bble
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Agreed and before the lock.
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good got to say my piece.
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lerner out
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I was sooo happy when he came, but now I don't think he has what it takes. Its always a gmabke using low cost & young players unproven. Hoddle is a good shout.
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Enough is enough - time to sack him and make another attempt for OGS , if he doesn't want it then someone like hoddle who at least plays decent football and is tactically astute.
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My position is now that I wouldn't shed any tears if he left, but I really fail to see the attraction of Hoddle.
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Id give Hoddle a go happily
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Just as bad as last December. Christmas ruined for the fans - LAMBERT OUT!!
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There are professional people at Villa Park to decide who comes in, if there is not that is Lerners fault, him and Lambert to go.
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Id give Hoddle a go happily
Why? A dislike of the current manager is a very weak excuse for gambling on someone like hoddle.
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My position is now that I wouldn't shed any tears if he left, but I really fail to see the attraction of Hoddle.
I would - but they'd be ones of the joyous variety.
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If we lose to Swansea he will be gone
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My position is now that I wouldn't shed any tears if he left, but I really fail to see the attraction of Hoddle.
Hoddle has been out of the game for ages. We may as well go get Big Ron or Little.
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Id give Hoddle a go happily
Why? A dislike of the current manager is a very weak excuse for gambling on someone like hoddle.
I agree. OGS for me.
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My position is now that I wouldn't shed any tears if he left, but I really fail to see the attraction of Hoddle.
Hoddle has been out of the game for ages. We may as well go get Big Ron or Little.
To me it's as insane a suggestion as Risso's option of Keane from this time last year.
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We have gone so far with this 'strategy' I don't know if a quick fix can save us now. We might just have to cross our fingers and toes and hope we stay up.
I don't think we can have any complaints though if we do drop. We have been appalling for years and nobody at the club has done anything to improve things.
You make your own luck and failing to invest in quality (as Doug did in 1995/96 after a poor season) when you are already poor will only have one end result eventually.
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Hoddle knew how to play football in the mid-nineties, but God knows if he knows how to now. I can't think of a British manager we could get who would really do the job properly, to be honest - we need to look abroad.
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Hoddles team play football, he knows how to organize, he gets average players to play well, he is one of the best tacticians in the game, he has one of the best records for an England manager.......more importantly we won't be boring.
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My position is now that I wouldn't shed any tears if he left, but I really fail to see the attraction of Hoddle.
Hoddle has been out of the game for ages. We may as well go get Big Ron or Little.
I couldn't agree more. It'd more likely be Holloway than Hoddle. Lerner probably thought he'd got it right with picking Lambert, unfortunately, it looks like Villa is simply too big a job for him. I also agree with others, if we lose at home to the Swans, the noise for change will be deafening.
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We're worse than last season.
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My position is now that I wouldn't shed any tears if he left, but I really fail to see the attraction of Hoddle.
Hoddle has been out of the game for ages. We may as well go get Big Ron or Little.
I couldn't agree more. It'd more likely be Holloway than Hoddle. Lerner probably thought he'd got it right with picking Lambert, unfortunately, it looks like Villa is simply too big a job for him. I also agree with others, if we lose at home to the Swans, the noise for change will be deafening.
Which we will.
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Hoddle knew how to play football in the mid-nineties, but God knows if he knows how to now. I can't think of a British manager we could get who would really do the job properly, to be honest - we need to look abroad.
100% agree. Not another British manager!! Way too big of a chance of getting another guy with an eighties tactics. If I were Lerner, I'd begin contacting the guy who was sacked by Real Betis (can't remember his name). What I've seen them play, last year and this year before the sack, they play wonderful football. MODERN football!
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If we make a change, then it has to be done quickly and the new man given significant backing. Any other way and we're on a hiding to nothing (even more so than we currently seem to be)
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Having supported him and supported him, today broke me I think.
Not because of the loss, but the fact for so many games we have looked so abject going forward.
Collymore and Francis both said today we are way to weak in the centre of midfield, they are right. We can't play as we don't own the middle of the park.
We have no one who can jink and beat a man.
For the first time tonight I would almost be a little relieved if he went tonight.
Anyone coming in could use the loan market to get in 2-3 experienced heads which we still painfully lack.
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If the bloke had anything about him he would resign now .
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He's useless and he's well out of his depth. I think he'll just about survive this season but then we should turf him out. Crap signings, tactically clueless and just way over his head.
There is no cohesive plan. There is no light at the end of this tunnel. We're seeing that now. We're way, way too poor. Dire stuff.
If we fuck him off tomorrow I wouldn't lose any sleep. I think there's mediocre managers who'd do a better job than him at this level in perfect honesty. He hasn't got the nous for Prem football.
People talk about stability but it has to be for the right man. No way in bloody hell is Lambert the right man. He's the right man for a club in the Championship at best. We moaned on and on about McLeish but the fact of the matter is, even McLeish has achieved more as a manager in top level football.
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Id give Hoddle a go happily
Why? A dislike of the current manager is a very weak excuse for gambling on someone like hoddle.
I agree. OGS for me.
No thanks. I was an OGS man at the time but the time for gambling on a young unproven manager was back then.
If we are going to change managers (and I still dont think we should) then I want someone with a proven pedigree, preferably not British. That is going to be hard to find given our current finances but it would be the only sensible change imho.
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If the bloke had anything about him he would resign now .
And give up compensation. Not something I can see happening.
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His pointblank refusal to bring in any experience is his undoing so Ozzjim that does make sense.
Having no experience and plenty of youth is lunacy. In all walks of life you try to have a blend of both for the continuity of the institution.
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Id give Hoddle a go happily
Why? A dislike of the current manager is a very weak excuse for gambling on someone like hoddle.
I agree. OGS for me.
No thanks. I was an OGS man at the time but the time for gambling on a young unproven manager was back then.
If we are going to change managers (and I still dont think we should) then I want someone with a proven pedigree, preferably not British. That is going to be hard to find given our current finances but it would be the only sensible change imho.
Why not?
A) can't see him doing worse than what we have now
B) he's very well respected, people in the game still hold him in high regard
C) his style of football would be better
D) got better connections in world football we could utilise
E) he is chomping at the bit to have another crack at the top flight and that drive and determination on top of the above points is a win win for me
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Our board are so fucking useless that they always get shafted when a Manager goes....you know "constructive dismissal"
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This manager ranks along side McNeil as the worst Villa manger i have ever seen . The one took us down and the other is well on the way to doing the same
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Today is the first time That I wasn't arsed about going to the game - EVER.
I went to stoke - which was woeful - today surpassed that even.
The guy is inept in every way - it's his team now . The only players that looked any good are the ones that were here before him , Guzan , Delph, Albrighton and Gabby.
Please Randy - do it - do it tonight - so we can get someone in to plan for the transfer window and get several loan players in on 1st Jan , not at the end of Jan.
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Sacking another manager is it going to change anything ??
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Sacking another manager is it going to change anything ??
No, not without a change in transfer policy
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crossroads time. it hasn't worked. time for a change. Im sure there must be someone who can assemble an average mid table team for limited funds. jol?
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Here Here Fin Feds Dad
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Id give Hoddle a go happily
Why? A dislike of the current manager is a very weak excuse for gambling on someone like hoddle.
I agree. OGS for me.
No thanks. I was an OGS man at the time but the time for gambling on a young unproven manager was back then.
If we are going to change managers (and I still dont think we should) then I want someone with a proven pedigree, preferably not British. That is going to be hard to find given our current finances but it would be the only sensible change imho.
Why not?
A) can't see him doing worse than what we have now
B) he's very well respected, people in the game still hold him in high regard
C) his style of football would be better
D) got better connections in world football we could utilise
E) he is chomping at the bit to have another crack at the top flight and that drive and determination on top of the above points is a win win for me
He was in the bottom half of the Norwegian league for a lot of this season and thats even with his ability to outspend everyone other club. I think he would be a step down from Lambert I really do.
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Only at the Villa could a person invest more than £200m in to a football club for it to end up worse off in every way. At least the inside of the Trinity Road stand looks nice.
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Id give Hoddle a go happily
Why? A dislike of the current manager is a very weak excuse for gambling on someone like hoddle.
I agree. OGS for me.
No thanks. I was an OGS man at the time but the time for gambling on a young unproven manager was back then.
If we are going to change managers (and I still dont think we should) then I want someone with a proven pedigree, preferably not British. That is going to be hard to find given our current finances but it would be the only sensible change imho.
Why not?
A) can't see him doing worse than what we have now
B) he's very well respected, people in the game still hold him in high regard
C) his style of football would be better
D) got better connections in world football we could utilise
E) he is chomping at the bit to have another crack at the top flight and that drive and determination on top of the above points is a win win for me
He was in the bottom half of the Norwegian league for a lot of this season and thats even with his ability to outspend everyone other club. I think he would be a step down from Lambert I really do.
I meant Hoddle
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Changing the manager might not change a thing,but surely it has to be worth trying ,rather than settling for the awful football we are having to watch under this clueless manager
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Is December Lambert's March?
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Before sacking Lambert, I'd want to see who he signed in the transfer window, or at the very least who his targets are for the summer. Because if he brings in some actual quality in the defence and midfield we might actually start to look like a good side again. Our only major problem right now is that we have a squad full of squad players, and only about three first teamers, two of whom are injured.
Simple equation: either we sign better players and do ok, or we don't and are fucked.
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We're going through a pretty awful spell and sit in 13th place. As out-of-sorts as we are at the moment I reckon the manager and team have it in them to turn things around and get a mid-table finish this season. More than a change of manager, we need new bodies in January and a return to the attacking ethos of last season.
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He's lost his way big time.
Really if we lose our next two to Swansea and Sunderland he has to go imo. Following that will be Arsenal at home and Liverpool and Everton away so make no mistake we'll be in another relegation battle as teams are closing in on us now and imo you'll need more points to stay up than last season.
There is no joy at all in home games. We've now what failed to score in 6 of the 10, never score in the first half and today the only chances of note we created were from high balls. If you keep punting high balls in the box eventually one or two will fall for you.
It's got so bad it's looking like we'll even struggle to match the four wins McLeish masterminded in our previous worst ever home season.
And it's not even a bad joke that when we're drawing now Bowery seems to have morphed into some sort of match winning saviour with 15 minutes left.
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We're going through a pretty awful spell and sit in 13th place. As out-of-sorts as we are at the moment I reckon the manager and team have it in them to turn things around and get a mid-table finish this season. More than a change of manager, we need new bodies in January and a return to the attacking ethos of last season.
Three points from relegation zone and playing shit football while teams below us are improving .
We are sliding into trouble and fast.
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I meant Hoddle
Oh. I dont have anything against Hoddle.
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The board wishes to assure supporters that we are conscious in every sense that Villa expects and deserves more and we will strive to deliver this. AVFC on 14th May 2012 when they sacked McLeish. Talk is cheap.
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I'd give him the next 3 games - all winnable. Little or Zero return and it is taxi for PL.
I hate wanting people out of work but the previous 2 incumbents should never have been hired and we are no better than under TSM and we should be.
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We're going through a pretty awful spell and sit in 13th place. As out-of-sorts as we are at the moment I reckon the manager and team have it in them to turn things around and get a mid-table finish this season. More than a change of manager, we need new bodies in January and a return to the attacking ethos of last season.
Three points from relegation zone and playing shit football while teams below us are improving .
We are sliding into trouble and fast.
You're right, we are playing shite football but - like the teams below us - we can improve. I saw enough last year and at the start of this season to see we have a decent side that can battle and win games of football. We've four and a half months of the season left plus a transfer window to address the problems we currently have.
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"out of sorts"!? dire for 3 yrs
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We hit on a style of play late last season that paid dividends for us but teams know how to counter that now and we don't seem to have a plan b or the ability to break sides down - we have problems in all areas of the team apart from goalkeeper.
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we don't seem to have a plan b
The thing that concerns me more is that we do not even have a Plan A.
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I'd give him the next 3 games - all winnable. Little or Zero return and it is taxi for PL.
I hate wanting people out of work but the previous 2 incumbents should never have been hired and we are no better than under TSM and we should be.
Put that kind of pressure on him and the team and the chances are we'll get zero return. My approach would be to give him the transfer window and the rest of the season to show he is steadily improving Aston Villa.
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Who would you replace him with if he did go?
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we don't seem to have a plan b
The thing that concerns me more is that we do not even have a Plan A.
Spot on, Archie.
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Before sacking Lambert, I'd want to see who he signed in the transfer window, or at the very least who his targets are for the summer. Because if he brings in some actual quality in the defence and midfield we might actually start to look like a good side again. Our only major problem right now is that we have a squad full of squad players, and only about three first teamers, two of whom are injured.
Simple equation: either we sign better players and do ok, or we don't and are fucked.
thats the problam he doesent know what a decent player is
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If you trust Lambert with any transfer money Lerner makes available, you're a far easier-going man than me.
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Who would you replace him with if he did go?
There are hundreds of managers in Europe that would dream of managing a club such as ours. I'm sure at least one of them will far outdo whatever Mr Mumbles has done to the Villa.
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I don't want him sacked. The problem is, I am now struggling to think of any reasons *not* to sack him.
I know we are missing Vlaar, that Okore is out and he's actually the new Paolo Maldini and so on, but I look at, say, that midfield and two things strike me.
One us that I don't think there is a combination of the players we have which is anything like good enough.
The other is that the only midfielder we have who currently looks anything like good enough is the one he didn't buy.
The current situation is absolutely nothing like acceptable. If we do not strengthen significantly in January, with significantly better players, then I reckon we will struggle to avoid relegation. We are going backwards.
The squad is pathetically weak, so many players who are patently not good enough.
Someone at the club needs yo understand that slashing wage bills quickly is all fine and dandy but you end up with too many poor players as a result.
This is now getting to the point where the Houllier season looks good.
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I don't want him sacked. The problem is, I am now struggling to think of any reasons *not* to sack him.
I know we are missing Vlaar, that Okore is out and he's actually the new Paolo Maldini and so on, but I look at, say, that midfield and two things strike me.
One us that I don't think there is a combination of the players we have which is anything like good enough.
The other is that the only midfielder we have who currently looks anything like good enough is the one he didn't buy.
The current situation is absolutely nothing like acceptable. If we do not strengthen significantly in January, with significantly better players, then I reckon we will struggle to avoid relegation. We are going backwards.
The squad is pathetically weak, so many players who are patently not good enough.
Someone at the club needs yo understand that slashing wage bills quickly is all fine and dandy but you end up with too many poor players as a result.
This is now getting to the point where the Houllier season looks good.
Sums up my views, especially the first line.
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I wish Houllier's heart had held out. We could have been watching Cabaye slotting them in from 25 yards.
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Who would you replace him with if he did go?
There are hundreds of managers in Europe that would dream of managing a club such as ours. I'm sure at least one of them will far outdo whatever Mr Mumbles has done to the Villa.
Be specific please - which of the hundreds are you refering to? I am willing to listen to reason. The Anyone but Lambert is not a practical position.
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I wish Houllier's heart had held out. We could have been watching Cabaye slotting them in from 25 yards.
I refuse to accept the revisionism about the Houllier period. We may have looked good after three years of experimenting and trial and error, but until Bent came in and reminded us that we're a big club, we were heading down.
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I wish Houllier's heart had held out. We could have been watching Cabaye slotting them in from 25 yards.
I refuse to accept the revisionism about the Houllier period. We may have looked good after three years of experimenting and trial and error, but until Bent came in and reminded us that we're a big club, we were heading down.
Correct - top 6 to bottom 3 in 4 months.
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Citing other manager's deficiencies as a reason not to sack the current manager is pointless.anyone there today watched yet another club's manager run rings round him.
If the Culverhouse reports are true the writing is on the wall but I have personally had enough humiliation for a life time supporting us at home in the last 18 months.
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Citing other manager's deficiencies as a reason not to sack the current manager is pointless.anyone there today watched yet another club's manager run rings round him.
If the Culverhouse reports are true the writing is on the wall but I have personally had enough humiliation for a life time supporting us at home in the last 18 months.
What culverhouse reports?
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Nice of Ian Culverhouse to have a go at some fans and tell them to shut up then to walk off swearing.
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Citing other manager's deficiencies as a reason not to sack the current manager is pointless.anyone there today watched yet another club's manager run rings round him.
If the Culverhouse reports are true the writing is on the wall but I have personally had enough humiliation for a life time supporting us at home in the last 18 months.
What culverhouse reports?
Yeah, what Culverhouse reports?
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Citing other manager's deficiencies as a reason not to sack the current manager is pointless.anyone there today watched yet another club's manager run rings round him.
If the Culverhouse reports are true the writing is on the wall but I have personally had enough humiliation for a life time supporting us at home in the last 18 months.
Culverhouse reports?
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In all honesty he should have gone when we lost to Bradford, which was without question the most humiliating event in my 40 years as as supporter.
Like most of his team he is tactically inept & out of his depth.
Lerner won't sack him & he won't back him either. We will get what we deserve eventually.
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We are a team in real trouble and not only did the crowd turn on Lambert today but I can only imagine the chants if Swansea nick one, which is more than likely at the minute.
Also why on earth do we bring every player back for corners, it is so frustrating, there is no outlet.
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Who would you replace him with if he did go?
There are hundreds of managers in Europe that would dream of managing a club such as ours. I'm sure at least one of them will far outdo whatever Mr Mumbles has done to the Villa.
Be specific please - which of the hundreds are you refering to? I am willing to listen to reason. The Anyone but Lambert is not a practical position.
As an example, Southampton ditched their boring British manager and brought in Pochettino, a virtually unknown manager who was out of a job for a year after being sacked by lowly Espanyol. Look at the job he's done there. Now I haven't followed foreign leagues for years so I can't give names but I'm sure that there would be managers in the other top 5 leagues that can get our side playing good football and be willing to work under our budget requirements. It's just a matter of spending a couple of weeks researching them. There are certainly no British managers around right now that are our short term and long term answers.
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Never thought I'd say it.....this is actually worse than McLeish's reign!
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Hoddle knew how to play football in the mid-nineties,
That would the plan.
Beat these 21st century upstarts by baffling them with 1990s tactics they've all forgotten.
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Please not Hoddle. Too much of a Houllier type for my liking.
Someone who's been out of the game for ages, has the type of personality that would make him fall out with players and imagine if he does o.k people will be pushing him in the press to go back to Spurs. Also ask Wolves fans on his managerial capabilities.
Again the list of domestic candidates is poor, Jol looked out of it at Fulham and Steve Clarke would have a McLeish feel to it.
I think we need to look abroad given how poor our football is. It might end up Dr Jo...but it could end up Pochettino.
My ideal dream appointment would be Marcelo Bielsa. Loved that Bilbao team he created two seasons back that reached the Europa league final and I believe he's not in work currently. A true football maverick, life would not be boring with him in charge.
Reallistically someone like Ralf Ragnick would do for me. He's been linked with prem clubs for a while now and has done well at Schalke and Hoffenheim in the last few years.
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I wish Houllier's heart had held out. We could have been watching Cabaye slotting them in from 25 yards.
I refuse to accept the revisionism about the Houllier period. We may have looked good after three years of experimenting and trial and error, but until Bent came in and reminded us that we're a big club, we were heading down.
Correct - top 6 to bottom 3 in 4 months.
Well this is a discussion that's already been done to death on dedicated threads, but I was always a believer at the time. I saw the Houllier season as a typical transitional one: lots of short term pain for longer term gain, as we moved gradually from one old-fashioned style with old-fashioned players to a more continental approach. I thought the project was just starting to gather pace when he fell ill, so it made the decision to appoint McCleish all the more astonishing in its inconsistency. That summer was the time to appoint a forward-thinking man, but the board went back the stone age. It set us back and we've struggled ever since. Lambert is to some extent a victim of that, although I accept that his signings have been patchy at best and he's failed to strengthen key areas.
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Who would you replace him with if he did go?
There are hundreds of managers in Europe that would dream of managing a club such as ours. I'm sure at least one of them will far outdo whatever Mr Mumbles has done to the Villa.
Be specific please - which of the hundreds are you refering to? I am willing to listen to reason. The Anyone but Lambert is not a practical position.
As an example, Southampton ditched their boring British manager and brought in Pochettino, a virtually unknown manager who was out of a job for a year after being sacked by lowly Espanyol. Look at the job he's done there. Now I haven't followed foreign leagues for years so I can't give names but I'm sure that there would be managers in the other top 5 leagues that can get our side playing good football and be willing to work under our budget requirements. It's just a matter of spending a couple of weeks researching them. There are certainly no British managers around right now that are our short term and long term answers.
Agreed.
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Randy took a massive gamble when he left TSM in charge and he got away with it, but only just. Surely he won't roll the dice again.
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Randy took a massive gamble when he left TSM in charge and he got away with it, but only just. Surely he won't roll the dice again.
He did last January/February.
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as Alan Partridge once put it " he needs to be put in a car and sent over a cliff, I'd happily be the driver"
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We are a team in real trouble and not only did the crowd turn on Lambert today but I can only imagine the chants if Swansea nick one, which is more than likely at the minute.
Also why on earth do we bring every player back for corners, it is so frustrating, there is no outlet.
Welcome HolteEnder96. Yes there are lots of annoying things about us at the moment but this corner defending with all 11 in the area depresses me behind belief.
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Who would you replace him with if he did go?
There are hundreds of managers in Europe that would dream of managing a club such as ours. I'm sure at least one of them will far outdo whatever Mr Mumbles has done to the Villa.
Be specific please - which of the hundreds are you refering to? I am willing to listen to reason. The Anyone but Lambert is not a practical position.
As an example, Southampton ditched their boring British manager and brought in Pochettino, a virtually unknown manager who was out of a job for a year after being sacked by lowly Espanyol. Look at the job he's done there. Now I haven't followed foreign leagues for years so I can't give names but I'm sure that there would be managers in the other top 5 leagues that can get our side playing good football and be willing to work under our budget requirements. It's just a matter of spending a couple of weeks researching them. There are certainly no British managers around right now that are our short term and long term answers.
Agreed.
Not disagreeing with you but I asked for specific or a few practical options.
Also do you for one minute think either Lerner or Faulkner could pick such a successful candidate past on previous selections?
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as Alan Partridge once put it " he needs to be put in a car and sent over a cliff, I'd happily be the driver"
Excellent, made me smile.
In a nightclub in Szczecin waiting for friends who are over an hour late. But free wifi means I can pop on here fir a moan.
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I haven't been on this site for a while. Not have I been to any games since October due to work commitments. This was my first game back.
I was pretty appalling. There isn't much to get excited about at the moment. But I don't care who you are team wise. If you lose a third of your starting line up to injuries and suspensions you're going to struggle.
It's highlighted we're weak outside the starting 11.
Calling for lamberts head though. Has everyone gone mad?? And on top of that people are saying to appoint hoddle. A man who has all but disappeared from people's memories if it wasn't for throwing his name into the ring for the spurs job.
Lambert is a good manager. He still needs time, he's had one full season. There's lots and lots of work to do. It's not going to change over night.
I know everyone is allowed to do what they want. You pay your money and so you have your voice. But I'm of the opinion of booing a team which is very low in confidence isn't going to help anything. It's not my thing.
For me, he still has time on the board. Not saying I'm bowled over with performances and I'm certainly not excited by what was out in the field this afternoon. But to sack him isn't the answer for me.
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I am with Paulie. I don't want him sacked but it is hard to put a great case for him staying. My biggest worry is that if he stays I can't see him being given the backing in the transfer window we need and even if he is backed what will he do with the money? I'm not sure I trust him to bring in the right kind of players I think we need. Equally, if he goes, who will they appoint and how much would he be backed in the window? All I can see is a lose/lose situation. I wish I could come up with a managerial name that would be a realistic target who I would have great confidence in.
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Randy took a massive gamble when he left TSM in charge and he got away with it, but only just. Surely he won't roll the dice again.
He did last January/February.
Absolutely. I'm convinced that Lerner won't act again even if we get relegated. He will continue to play the absentee landlord.
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The thing that really troubles me is that so many of our players are getting worse under him this season. Benteke, Lowton, Westwood among others are nowhere near the level the once were. Something has to be going wrong in training for so many to be regressing at the same time.
We're in the same boat as last season when we could reasonably expect to see some sort of progress by now. I wouldn't be upset to see the back of Lambert if he was shown the door. He's had long enough to sort us out but doesn't seem capable of doing so.
Maybe we could do a swap with Cardiff for Mackay?
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Sacking him would be the last thing on my mind, but I'd force the bugger to spend some serious cash next month for his own sake.
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I haven't been on this site for a while. Not have I been to any games since October due to work commitments. This was my first game back.
I was pretty appalling. There isn't much to get excited about at the moment. But I don't care who you are team wise. If you lose a third of your starting line up to injuries and suspensions you're going to struggle.
It's highlighted we're weak outside the starting 11.
Calling for lamberts head though. Has everyone gone mad?? And on top of that people are saying to appoint hoddle. A man who has all but disappeared from people's memories if it wasn't for throwing his name into the ring for the spurs job.
Lambert is a good manager. He still needs time, he's had one full season. There's lots and lots of work to do. It's not going to change over night.
I know everyone is allowed to do what they want. You pay your money and so you have your voice. But I'm of the opinion of booing a team which is very low in confidence isn't going to help anything. It's not my thing.
For me, he still has time on the board. Not saying I'm bowled over with performances and I'm certainly not excited by what was out in the field this afternoon. But to sack him isn't the answer for me.
You're a very patient, optimistic fellow I'll give you that. I do agree that we've been unlucky with injuries this season but you can't argue with how anject we are and have been over the past 3 years or so. And despite all that, Lambert's statistics have been the worst.
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Randy took a massive gamble when he left TSM in charge and he got away with it, but only just. Surely he won't roll the dice again.
He did last January/February.
Absolutely. I'm convinced that Lerner won't act again even if we get relegated. He will continue to play the absentee landlord.
'He's a tight-ass! He's a sadist!'
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Is De Matteo still out of work?
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Randy took a massive gamble when he left TSM in charge and he got away with it, but only just. Surely he won't roll the dice again.
He did last January/February.
Absolutely. I'm convinced that Lerner won't act again even if we get relegated. He will continue to play the absentee landlord.
'He's a tight-ass! He's a sadist!'
He's neither. He just isn't interested.
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Glenn Hoddle? Who suggested him and why is he being punted by others?
Are we being trolled by another site by any chance?
I'm done with Lambert, mind.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but he has to go.
It's not the players, it's him, he portrays a man who really hasn't got a clue and that's reflecting through the players now.
Albrighton has been great since coming back, how long before Lambert gets through to him and makes him worse?
We have no plan, no vision and no leadership.
I haven't a clue who to come in, but we can't even get the basics right, which is down to Lambert.
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Hoddles team play football, he knows how to organize, he gets average players to play well, he is one of the best tacticians in the game, he has one of the best records for an England manager.......more importantly we won't be boring.
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When? When has he done these things to any tangible success?
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I think Mr Lambert has finally run out of time. I'd be scared of who Randy Lerner would choose next, given that every manager he has chosen has performed worst than the last, but that in itself isn't reason enough to keep an underperforming manager in a job. I just can't see any real signs of hope to make me think things will improve if Lambert is given time.
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I'm done with Lambert, doesn't seem to have a plan be and looks lost at times. A risk that didn't pay off, I don't hate him, just not right for our great club. time to get someone with a bit of football nous on the board and a more tactically aware manager.
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It's been obvious bar a couple of months at the end of last season that lambert ain't the man. Shame cause those months were tantalising.
If we stick we're going down. Who to replace? I'm glad I'm not in charge of making that call.
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Lerner is a businessman & he would not hesitate to cut Lambert adrift if there was a sound financial reason to do so. At the moment there isn't one but we desperately need some quality / experienced players.
The question is if Lerner, Faulkner & Lambert think we can get through another season without investment & stay in the Premier League? It seems we are stuck with Lambert, solely because it is currently the best option.
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I'm done with Lambert, doesn't seem to have a plan be and looks lost at times. A risk that didn't pay off, I don't hate him, just not right for our great club. time to get someone with a bit of football nous on the board and a more tactically aware manager.
I wonder if its time to go down the director of football route with an experienced man and a younger team coach under him .
In a way its sad houllier had health issues as I felt he would have made a good director of football but wasnt the man to be in charge of coaching.
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Agree with that, i think it is time to try it. Can't really be any worse than the dross we are being served up. Houllier would have been a great shout for that role, shame about his health.
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I've been wondering about a DOF too eastie.
I just think we are being left behind, on the pitch and off it. Our scouting has improved considerably, but we are still left with slim picking compared to the players recruited by the likes of Swansea, Newcastle and Southampton.
As for the football we play, the less said the better.
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Understand the anger but think it through, Lambert if he has any sense would have targets already lined up whereas any new manager would have to start from scratch, lets wait until we see who he brings in, if its more of the inexperienced triers then he has lost me.
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Understand the anger but think it through, Lambert if he has any sense would have targets already lined up whereas any new manager would have to start from scratch, lets wait until we see who he brings in, if its more of the inexperienced triers then he has lost me.
What a frightening thought, Lambert has identified targets. Where are they Scunthorpe reserves? Luton Town U21s? He's surrounded by dross, he'll continue to surround himself with dross.
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Randy took a massive gamble when he left TSM in charge and he got away with it, but only just. Surely he won't roll the dice again.
He did last January/February.
Absolutely. I'm convinced that Lerner won't act again even if we get relegated. He will continue to play the absentee landlord.
'He's a tight-ass! He's a sadist!'
He's neither. He just isn't interested.
I was continuing the Devils Advocate quoting.
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To get zero points out of Fulham, Stoke and Palace is pathetic. The only half-decent players left are the ones he inherited. He's wrecked the club. OUT!!
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bradford , milwall, xmas 2012, xmas 2013, home form. can't believe the support. it hasnt worked and there's no signs it will
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Benteke? Okore? Vlaar?
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If we're keeping Mr Mumbles I would really like to see a DOF be instated to sort out the transfers which Lambert has made a tit of this summer and also to remind Lambert how to make substitutions, coach players and set the tactics. I mean a new manager would be ideal and sort all these problems out instantly but a DOF is a good option.
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DOF - I can only think of Walter Smith as a short term punt.
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I think we all need to calm the fuck down.
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Can we recall Bent and Ireland in January?
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bradford , milwall, xmas 2012, xmas 2013, home form. can't believe the support. it hasnt worked and there's no signs it will
This!!
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Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.
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I think we all need to calm the fuck down.
Surely people are entitled to voice their concerns or support ?
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I think the vast majority on here are keeping calm. Worried, unhappy and relatively calm under the circumstances.
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Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.
It does my swede in too.
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It need root & branch change. Not only has Lamberts time run it's course but so has Lerner's. The last 4 seasons have been hell particularly the home form. ST holders like me have been robbed. Doug would've been slaughtered for the last 4 yrsrs. Lerner deserves some criticism - HE appoints the managers.
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It need root & branch change. Not only has Lamberts time run it's course but so has Lerner's. The last 4 seasons have been hell particularly the home form. ST holders like me have been robbed. Doug would've been slaughtered for the last 4 yrsrs. Lerner deserves some criticism - HE appoints the managers.
You write that as if Lerner has never been criticised. I don't know if even Doug's appointments were ever as criticised as McLeish's was, along with the infamous 'Premier League experience' criterion.
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Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.
It does my swede in too.
Well said. I'm not a mod either but I don't think it's unfair or out of line to encourage people to try and make any criticism constructive in order to add something to the debate rather than repeating the same things.
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Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.
It does my swede in too.
I know people who come from Glasgow who don't mumble. I come from a shit hole in Birmingham and I don't mumble. I think he's calling him Mr Mumbles because he mumbles, not because he's judging his social background. I also think communication skills and ability to project himself are relevant to Lambert's job.
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I think the problem lies above lambert. It's not necessarily Lerner or Faulkner either. I don't know what it is. Whether it's not having football people on the board or not is another thing. But I don't think the problem entirely lies at lamberts feet.
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I'm done with Lambert, doesn't seem to have a plan be and looks lost at times. A risk that didn't pay off, I don't hate him, just not right for our great club. time to get someone with a bit of football nous on the board and a more tactically aware manager.
I wonder if its time to go down the director of football route with an experienced man and a younger team coach under him .
In a way its sad houllier had health issues as I felt he would have made a good director of football but wasnt the man to be in charge of coaching.
To be honest I've wanted this system in place for a while. Imo there needs to be a structure above 'lambert' so when the coaching gets stale or the coach proves himself not to be up to it (or too good and gets poached) there can be a change which doesn't suddenly change the whole style/philosophy of the club. It'd invariably mean a higher churn of head coaches but each will bring their own ideas and a freshness.
For example there's that school teacher who has worked himself up to #2 at Real Madrid who I'd love to see as head coach, but you can't pluck a guy like that from nowhere (management wise) and expect him to run a club the size of Villa. You could bet that he'd be a good coach though.
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Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.
It does my swede in too.
I know people who come from Glasgow who don't mumble. I come from a shit hole in Birmingham and I don't mumble. I think he's calling him Mr Mumbles because he mumbles, not because he's judging his social background. I also think communication skills and ability to project himself are relevant to Lambert's job.
Glasgow's huge. I have friends who come from Italy who aren't mafiosi, but there are mafiosi in Italy. And people from different parts of different towns speak differently - I have quite a few friends from Coatbridge, for example, who speak in a manner you would no doubt call mumbling. It's unfair, snobbish, personally insulting and not as relevant as you think - I mean, it's not like he's Juande Ramos, floundering around with or without a translator.
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SGT need to come back on board (of directors) to bring a sense of decorum to the hierarchy.
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Regardless of where he's from, the bloke is making a dog's arse of this club and he had better improve the situ sooner rather than later. That is his team, they're his players and they're spiralling down the league at an alarming rate. Time to pull your finger our, Mr Lambert.
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I don't think it matters who the manager is, if you don't buy premiership players you will struggle. If you buy the sort of players we have you will eventually go down.
There is only one person to blame for the state of the club and that is Randy.
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Lambert chose the players, and he sets them out. Randy may be guilty of being aloof but the players, tactics and application is the manager's job. And it's failing.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but he has to go.
It's not the players, it's him, he portrays a man who really hasn't got a clue and that's reflecting through the players now.
Albrighton has been great since coming back, how long before Lambert gets through to him and makes him worse?
We have no plan, no vision and no leadership.
I haven't a clue who to come in, but we can't even get the basics right, which is down to Lambert.
Summed up perfectly, Shrek. I like Lambert, the only problem is I hate his football. Giving him money in January will only delay the cure.
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We don't know if it is Randy or PL choosing to go down this route with signings.
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Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.
Me calling him Mr Mumbles is not anything to do with his upbringing, accent or a nasty dig on his person. But every time he comes in after a pathetic performance and mumbles to the interviewer something about "all credit to the lads, they never stopped going" or "we go again" it get right on my tits. There's no passion, no anger, not even bitter acknowledgement that we just got shafted by a much weaker team. It's communication skills like this that make me think he's the reason why were such a soft touch at home. He can talk loud and clearly whenever we win or get a good result but when we lose home games on the bounce he puts on this dejected "feel sorry for me and the team" voice and it pisses me off. He should be leading the dressing room by explicitly telling the interviewer performances like the one today are not good enough - rather than heaping praises on them under his breath.
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We don't know if it is Randy or PL choosing to go down this route with signings.
We knew about the cutbacks after mon left but randy sanctioned some big deals for Mcleish like given, Hutton and nzogbia - I suspect it may be lamberts choice to go down the route of hungry players rather than experience.
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What the hell are you expecting?
We're better off than last season, albeit in a very poor run of form. It's bound to happen with a young squad, with injuries. To call for him to get sacked and be replaced with a person who hasn't managed for the best part of a decade is insane.
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Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.
Me calling him Mr Mumbles is not anything to do with his upbringing, accent or a nasty dig on his person. But every time he comes in after a pathetic performance and mumbles to the interviewer something about "all credit to the lads, they never stopped going" or "we go again" it get right on my tits. There's no passion, no anger, not even bitter acknowledgement that we just got shafted by a much weaker team. It's communication skills like this that make me think he's the reason why were such a soft touch at home. He can talk loud and clearly whenever we win or get a good result but when we lose home games on the bounce he puts on this dejected "feel sorry for me and the team" voice and it pisses me off. He should be leading the dressing room by explicitly telling the interviewer performances like the one today are not good enough - rather than heaping praises on them under his breath.
With all due respect, what you're recommending is what Paolo di Canio did, whereas what Lambert is doing is what Mourinho did at Chelsea, so perhaps what he's saying in interviews isn't the worst part of his performance in the job.
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one point better off and in fairness we played decent teams on our bad run last year like Chelsea and Spurs. This year Fulham, Stoke, and Palace have turned us over and we rolled over for a United team that are beatable.
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Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.
Me calling him Mr Mumbles is not anything to do with his upbringing, accent or a nasty dig on his person. But every time he comes in after a pathetic performance and mumbles to the interviewer something about "all credit to the lads, they never stopped going" or "we go again" it get right on my tits. There's no passion, no anger, not even bitter acknowledgement that we just got shafted by a much weaker team. It's communication skills like this that make me think he's the reason why were such a soft touch at home. He can talk loud and clearly whenever we win or get a good result but when we lose home games on the bounce he puts on this dejected "feel sorry for me and the team" voice and it pisses me off. He should be leading the dressing room by explicitly telling the interviewer performances like the one today are not good enough - rather than heaping praises on them under his breath.
You can be pretty certain that the media lambert and the one behind closed doors are pretty different. It'd be harsh to judge him for not wanting to publicly flog the players when they're young and probably have brittle confidence.
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Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.
It does my swede in too.
I know people who come from Glasgow who don't mumble. I come from a shit hole in Birmingham and I don't mumble. I think he's calling him Mr Mumbles because he mumbles, not because he's judging his social background. I also think communication skills and ability to project himself are relevant to Lambert's job.
Glasgow's huge. I have friends who come from Italy who aren't mafiosi, but there are mafiosi in Italy. And people from different parts of different towns speak differently - I have quite a few friends from Coatbridge, for example, who speak in a manner you would no doubt call mumbling. It's unfair, snobbish, personally insulting and not as relevant as you think - I mean, it's not like he's Juande Ramos, floundering around with or without a translator.
I don't think anyone from Birmingham is going to take the piss out of anyone's accent or way of speaking. The fact is communicaction is crucial to Lambert's job, and he's sometimes unintelligible. That's no judgment on his background or upbringing, he just fails to get his message across clearly and in a way that inspires. Quite how some of the overseas players understand him, I've no idea. Although it appears one word that frequently gets through rhymes with 'blunt'.
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Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.
It does my swede in too.
I know people who come from Glasgow who don't mumble. I come from a shit hole in Birmingham and I don't mumble. I think he's calling him Mr Mumbles because he mumbles, not because he's judging his social background. I also think communication skills and ability to project himself are relevant to Lambert's job.
Glasgow's huge. I have friends who come from Italy who aren't mafiosi, but there are mafiosi in Italy. And people from different parts of different towns speak differently - I have quite a few friends from Coatbridge, for example, who speak in a manner you would no doubt call mumbling. It's unfair, snobbish, personally insulting and not as relevant as you think - I mean, it's not like he's Juande Ramos, floundering around with or without a translator.
Well, the person I'm thinking of comes from a truly shitty part of Glasgow and I do think it matters how Lambert projects himself. But I don't disagree that in the grand scheme of things it's not the most important issue. Certainly not a sacking matter.
I'm in what seems to be quite a big camp. I don't think he's up to the job but I'm not convinced that sacking him right now would be constructive.
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They all know what he means when he says put that blunt out?
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I don't think anyone from Birmingham is going to take the piss out of anyone's accent or way of speaking. The fact is communicaction is crucial to Lambert's job, and he's sometimes unintelligible. That's no judgment on his background or upbringing, he just fails to get his message across clearly and in a way that inspires. Quite how some of the overseas players understand him, I've no idea. Although it appears one word that frequently gets through rhymes with 'blunt'.
Well that last one is to do with growing up in Scotland, that word's like breathing in round 'ere. However, I take issue with what you say on a couple of points: firstly, everyone makes fun of the way everyone talks from anywhere else; secondly, Lambert speaks English, and I'm sure his English underlings understand him, and also our best spells are almost always after half-time when he's had a few minutes with them, indicating a certain amount of managerial motivation. There are plenty of other things wrong with the way he's doing his job - this personal jibing is cheap and distracting from the more serious issues.
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one point better off and in fairness we played decent teams on our bad run last year like Chelsea and Spurs. This year Fulham, Stoke, and Palace have turned us over and we rolled over for a United team that are beatable.
At this stage last season we were 9 points off bottom and 3 off the relegation zone.
We are currently 6 points off bottom place and 3 off the relegation zone and playing dreadfully.
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I don't believe that PL has the nous to take the club forward or keep us up based on the players he has signed and the way he has set them up to play.
For the 4th successive season we are struggling and breaking records of the wrong kind.
And yet we still attract 37,000 at home. The supporters are doing their bit for the club, why aren't the 'custodians' ?
We need change. Sacking Lambert in the short term will prevent us from going down. The new man will bring new ideas, a new way of playing and new players.
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What the hell are you expecting?
We're better off than last season, albeit in a very poor run of form. It's bound to happen with a young squad, with injuries. To call for him to get sacked and be replaced with a person who hasn't managed for the best part of a decade is insane.
This.
If Lambert goes who's going to take it on? Especially with the wage restrictions the owner has placed on things.
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As Paulie says, I was a fan of Lambert and i'm trying to think of a case for him but it's tough.
This whole squad is so short of quality it's untrue. Nathan Baker just epitomises us imo. He's young, he tries his heart out but he's such a liability for us and shows no signs of any improvement. Even the basics of position, reading of the game, etc. He's the most extreme case but it's a pattern repeated across the squad in almost every position.
I still believe though that our biggest issue is with the overall direction and ownership of the Club. We will end up getting relegated eventually, we can all see that and it's been going on for 3 or 4 years now. Our number is bound to come up sooner or later.
So the best and only defence I can give of Lambert tonight is unless Lerner decides to end the austerity it's almost academic whether Lambert stays or goes. Lambert is a symptom, Lerner is the cause. Same for GH, TSM and now PL.
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Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.
Me calling him Mr Mumbles is not anything to do with his upbringing, accent or a nasty dig on his person. But every time he comes in after a pathetic performance and mumbles to the interviewer something about "all credit to the lads, they never stopped going" or "we go again" it get right on my tits. There's no passion, no anger, not even bitter acknowledgement that we just got shafted by a much weaker team. It's communication skills like this that make me think he's the reason why were such a soft touch at home. He can talk loud and clearly whenever we win or get a good result but when we lose home games on the bounce he puts on this dejected "feel sorry for me and the team" voice and it pisses me off. He should be leading the dressing room by explicitly telling the interviewer performances like the one today are not good enough - rather than heaping praises on them under his breath.
With all due respect, what you're recommending is what Paolo di Canio did, whereas what Lambert is doing is what Mourinho did at Chelsea, so perhaps what he's saying in interviews isn't the worst part of his performance in the job.
Di Canio is on the other extreme end of the spectrum though. He would single out one player and call him useless. What we need (after our fourth back to back defeat no less) is a good old Fergie styled rant about how the entire team performance wasn't good enough and how the squad needs to step it up, followed by dropping the useless players to the bench, even if it is for youngsters. I see Lambert as protecting the players far too much. More often than not the same team will play week in week out without changes. They need a bloody good kick up their arse if we're going to turn it around and get anything from the Swansea game and I don't think holding them by the hand again will fix it.
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I don't think anyone from Birmingham is going to take the piss out of anyone's accent or way of speaking. The fact is communicaction is crucial to Lambert's job, and he's sometimes unintelligible. That's no judgment on his background or upbringing, he just fails to get his message across clearly and in a way that inspires. Quite how some of the overseas players understand him, I've no idea. Although it appears one word that frequently gets through rhymes with 'blunt'.
Well that last one is to do with growing up in Scotland, that word's like breathing in round 'ere. However, I take issue with what you say on a couple of points: firstly, everyone makes fun of the way everyone talks from anywhere else; secondly, Lambert speaks English, and I'm sure his English underlings understand him, and also our best spells are almost always after half-time when he's had a few minutes with them, indicating a certain amount of managerial motivation. There are plenty of other things wrong with the way he's doing his job - this personal jibing is cheap and distracting from the more serious issues.
If everyone makes fun of everybody else's way of speaking, as you claim, then it's entirely expected and we're all quits. And if Lambert's half time team talks are so effective, why doesn't he have a word before a ball is kicked? You're right though, Lambert's diction isn't the main problem, but he's no Winston Churchill either.
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I don't think anyone from Birmingham is going to take the piss out of anyone's accent or way of speaking. The fact is communicaction is crucial to Lambert's job, and he's sometimes unintelligible. That's no judgment on his background or upbringing, he just fails to get his message across clearly and in a way that inspires. Quite how some of the overseas players understand him, I've no idea. Although it appears one word that frequently gets through rhymes with 'blunt'.
Well that last one is to do with growing up in Scotland, that word's like breathing in round 'ere. However, I take issue with what you say on a couple of points: firstly, everyone makes fun of the way everyone talks from anywhere else; secondly, Lambert speaks English, and I'm sure his English underlings understand him, and also our best spells are almost always after half-time when he's had a few minutes with them, indicating a certain amount of managerial motivation. There are plenty of other things wrong with the way he's doing his job - this personal jibing is cheap and distracting from the more serious issues.
If everyone makes fun of everybody else's way of speaking, as you claim, then it's entirely expected and we're all quits. And if Lambert's half time team talks are so effective, why doesn't he have a word before a ball is kicked? You're right though, Lambert's diction isn't the main problem, but he's no Wnston Churchill either.
Do you deny it's cheap? 'Mr Mumbles' is not a considered remark, nor is it relevant to whether or not he praises or criticises the players to the bloody media.
Also, we often start games pretty well and then fade (United and Fulham both went like that). It's not that he doesn't speak to them well enough - he doesn't train them well enough.
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You can be pretty certain that the media lambert and the one behind closed doors are pretty different. It'd be harsh to judge him for not wanting to publicly flog the players when they're young and probably have brittle confidence.
He keeps protecting them and they'll have brittle confidence for years to come. Lord only knows what their reaction will be if Swansea get an early goal on Saturday and the boos start ringing around Villa Park. He's been too pally pally with the players since he's been here. It's time to get tough and start demanding performances from them.
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I guarantee that how nice Lambert is in front of the cameras about the team he is totally different in the dressing room.
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As Paulie says, I was a fan of Lambert and i'm trying to think of a case for him but it's tough.
I still believe though that our biggest issue is with the overall direction and ownership of the Club. We will end up getting relegated eventually, we can all see that and it's been going on for 3 or 4 years now. Our number is bound to come up sooner or later.
So the best and only defence I can give of Lambert tonight is unless Lerner decides to end the austerity it's almost academic whether Lambert stays or goes. Lambert is a symptom, Lerner is the cause.
I totally agree but there isn't much we can do about it unfortunately.
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I guarantee that how nice Lambert is in front of the cameras about the team he is totally different in the dressing room.
Judging by the players' reactions to his pre-match and half time team talks I'm not so sure...
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I guarantee that how nice Lambert is in front of the cameras about the team he is totally different in the dressing room.
Well if he's getting nasty with the players in the dressing room and we're still a wet touch then surely the larger and more worrying concern is that he can't motivate his players?
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Can we stop arguing on Lambert's mumbles as a Scottish trait or in particular anything to with him being from Glasgow. I have relations, friends and colleagues from Glasgow. They speak clearly , coherently and intelligibly. This is about one man and difficulty we have with deciphering his spoken word.
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Unless he's dramatically changed in a fairly short time he is will be very different to what we see. I saw it once is all I'll say. Obv I wasn't in the dressing room but you knew. And so did everyone else.
Whether it works on this set of players is a different matter.
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Can we stop arguing on Lambert's mumbles as a Scottish trait or in particular anything to with him being from Glasgow. I have relations, friends and colleagues from Glasgow. They speak clearly , coherently and intelligibly. This is about one man and difficulty we have with deciphering his spoken word.
And I know lots of people from Glasgow and the rest of Scotland who grew up in very straitened circs and speak accordingly. It happens to some and doesn't to others. I think it's unfair and phenomenally irrelevant.
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Is Lambert any worse than Dalglish when it comes to accent? I spent a lot of time in Glasgow in the past and you go to some areas and the majority speak like that. Other areas and the accent is a lot less pronounced.
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I don't think anyone from Birmingham is going to take the piss out of anyone's accent or way of speaking. The fact is communicaction is crucial to Lambert's job, and he's sometimes unintelligible. That's no judgment on his background or upbringing, he just fails to get his message across clearly and in a way that inspires. Quite how some of the overseas players understand him, I've no idea. Although it appears one word that frequently gets through rhymes with 'blunt'.
Well that last one is to do with growing up in Scotland, that word's like breathing in round 'ere. However, I take issue with what you say on a couple of points: firstly, everyone makes fun of the way everyone talks from anywhere else; secondly, Lambert speaks English, and I'm sure his English underlings understand him, and also our best spells are almost always after half-time when he's had a few minutes with them, indicating a certain amount of managerial motivation. There are plenty of other things wrong with the way he's doing his job - this personal jibing is cheap and distracting from the more serious issues.
If everyone makes fun of everybody else's way of speaking, as you claim, then it's entirely expected and we're all quits. And if Lambert's half time team talks are so effective, why doesn't he have a word before a ball is kicked? You're right though, Lambert's diction isn't the main problem, but he's no Wnston Churchill either.
Do you deny it's cheap? 'Mr Mumbles' is not a considered remark, nor is it relevant to whether or not he praises or criticises the players to the bloody media.
Also, we often start games pretty well and then fade (United and Fulham both went like that). It's not that he doesn't speak to them well enough - he doesn't train them well enough.
I can think of plenty of worse insults than 'Mr Mumbles' to be fair. Say that to a Glaswegian and he'll laugh you back down south with a round of fucks and bastards for good measure. People are frustrated, they are going to pick up on his most obvious faults. They see a team with little or no idea what to do, making the most basic of errors. Perhaps they might think that whatever Lambert is telling them to do isn't getting through. But I agree, there are more pressing issues with his management, and the club as a whole, at the moment.
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So the best and only defence I can give of Lambert tonight is unless Lerner decides to end the austerity it's almost academic whether Lambert stays or goes. Lambert is a symptom, Lerner is the cause. Same for GH, TSM and now PL.
I'd agree with that and add that Lambert has achieved it at the lowest cost wage-wise (which was the thing that was destroying us) so he deserves credit for that. The style and lack of entertainment this season is inexcusable however as it is either a McLeish-esque tactical choice or shows a lack of coaching ability.
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Don't you think its about the football and the fact hes accent is a bit different to what some believe to be the queens English, is bolox.
I was chuffed when he came but, randys quote of "proud history, Bright future" seems to be getting more distant.
Would regain my faith getting in, Hoddle, if not as a manager as a player.
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If we had a fully fit Vlaar and Benteke in the starting XI and were still turning in such turd-like performances, he'd have to walk the plank.
Yes, it's inescapable that he signed Vlaar- dodgy injury record included. So having the bloke out for an extended period of time is never a shock. But we are a completely different side with those two. A new manager with all the upheaval that would bring should be a last resort -when we're convinced beyond doubt that the current bloke can't deliver. I'm not at that point, but fuck me, there's a limit to how much shit we can all put up with.
If we limp through to the end of the season and there is no significant improvement (but we stay up) there would still be a strong argument to get rid. Two years and four widows enough time to show that at least the foundations are right. As far as making a change is concerned, it's far better to do it then too, and give a new manager a full pre season.
Should PL his cards between then and now, we really need to explore the possibility of a Sporting/Technical Director coming in (and not someone like Graham Taylor, much as I like the bloke). The circus that runs the club have proved time and again they know next to nothing about the nitty gritty of matters on the pitch. Giving an O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish or even Lambert Total Power and then waiving them goodbye after 4 years, 18 months or even 12 months is not a prudent course of action (particularly with a board so obsessed by finances and cuts). Time for more joined up thinking.
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I can think of plenty of worse insults than 'Mr Mumbles' to be fair. Say that to a Glaswegian and he'll laugh you back down south with a round of fucks and bastards for good measure.
Actually, there's very little Scots generally find more insulting from the English than jibes at the way they talk.
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Hilarious, who gives a toss about whether he mumbles or not. He's failing as the boss not because he has a strong glaswegian accent but because he's tactically inept and his players in general are not good enough at this level .
Allroightt loikke aahh kid.
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Don't you think its about the football and the fact hes accent is a bit different to what some believe to be the queens English, is bolox.
I was chuffed when he came but, randys quote of "proud history, Bright future" seems to be getting more distant.
Would regain my faith getting in, Hoddle, if not as a manager as a player.
Post of the fucking century.
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I can't help agreeing with Paulie, I don't want him sacked, but you couldn't say that less deserving cases have received P45s in the last 12 months.
The list in the negatives column is far too long, especially after only 18 months.
Record Defeat.
0-15 over Xmas last year.
LC Semi Final.
The lack of goals and wins at home over 1½ seasons now.
The one dimensional football (almost none dimensional of late)
We look like the definition of a one man team.
Too many players have not recaptured anything like last seasons performance levels
Against that the positives are
Found and signed Benteke.
Got Benteke to sign new contract.
Okore and Vlaar look OK defensive signings.
Coaxing a very green team through last season.
The performances at the back end of last season.
Survived another season of swinging wage cuts / player culls.
That's 7- 6 against him, and if you used some form of weighting system to take account of importance to us as a club it might tip in his favour as the most important point is the last one. Which is probably why the impression of no further forwards, if anything still going backwards is probably not far off the mark
I do think too many people under estimate how big the job here is, and come in thinking they've got a Fulham / Baggies type job on their hands, before finding out they're either in over their heads or it's going to be much harder work than they thought.
The only managers in recent times who have head competitive resources and actually understood the job and had the personality/strength of character to cope have been BFR, Brian Little, and MON, with varying degrees of success. I know Gregory had the resources too, but ultimately was in way over his head so because of that defaults on understanding the job.
This isn't a job for the likes of Lambert (at the moment) he's far too green, it's simply too big a hop from Norwich to us (especially with only two years under his bet in the top 2 flights when appointed) as the expectation level (despite recent downgradings) is just vastly different to most jobs in this league. The team has looked devoid of confidence and composure all season, and that must surely come from PL himself.
Even some of our better performances at the start of the season weren't totally convincing. The confidence has evaporated over the last couple of months, and has got worse since Benteke got injured the first time. It's almost like Dumbo and his magic feather. Unfortunately it doesn't look like Lambert can play the Timothy role, instead as club we're looking more and more like a startled rabbit caught in the headlights. You know what's coming but can't muster enough self will to do anything about it.
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I can think of plenty of worse insults than 'Mr Mumbles' to be fair. Say that to a Glaswegian and he'll laugh you back down south with a round of fucks and bastards for good measure.
Actually, there's very little Scots generally find more insulting from the English than jibes at the way they talk.
Like I say, 'Mr Mumbles' might cause a bit of a brouhaha at a tea party in Edinburgh, but it's not going to mortally offend a Glaswegian docker.
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I can think of plenty of worse insults than 'Mr Mumbles' to be fair. Say that to a Glaswegian and he'll laugh you back down south with a round of fucks and bastards for good measure.
Actually, there's very little Scots generally find more insulting from the English than jibes at the way they talk.
Like I say, 'Mr Mumbles' might cause a bit of a brouhaha at a tea party in Edinburgh, but it's not going to mortally offend a Glaswegian docker.
Try it then.
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I can think of plenty of worse insults than 'Mr Mumbles' to be fair. Say that to a Glaswegian and he'll laugh you back down south with a round of fucks and bastards for good measure.
Actually, there's very little Scots generally find more insulting from the English than jibes at the way they talk.
Like I say, 'Mr Mumbles' might cause a bit of a brouhaha at a tea party in Edinburgh, but it's not going to mortally offend a Glaswegian docker.
Try it then.
Don't be absurd. The idea of me catching a train to Glasgow, swaggering into some back street dive bar, picking out the roughest cut-throat lunatic in there and calling him Mr Mumbles has got me choking on my After Eights with laughter.
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I can think of plenty of worse insults than 'Mr Mumbles' to be fair. Say that to a Glaswegian and he'll laugh you back down south with a round of fucks and bastards for good measure.
Actually, there's very little Scots generally find more insulting from the English than jibes at the way they talk.
Like I say, 'Mr Mumbles' might cause a bit of a brouhaha at a tea party in Edinburgh, but it's not going to mortally offend a Glaswegian docker.
Try it then.
Don't be absurd. The idea of me catching a train to Glasgow, swaggering into some back street dive bar, picking out the roughest cut-throat lunatic in there and calling him Mr Mumbles has got me choking on my After Eights with laughter.
After Eights would be a good defence. You could throw them, like ninja stars.
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Who cares how he speaks? The Southampton manager can't even speak English and they play football we can only dream of at the moment.
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Who cares how he speaks? The Southampton manager can't even speak English and they play football we can only dream of at the moment.
He's got an interpreter.
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Who cares how he speaks? The Southampton manager can't even speak English and they play football we can only dream of at the moment.
Quite. Although I hear he speaks enough English to get through training, he just doesn't want to expose himself to the media.
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Having a go at Lambert on the basis of his accent and enunciation is childish, unintelligent and frankly just lazy.
If you actually could be bothered to listen, you'd be able to understand him.
He had a successful playing career and before joining us a good managerial one too.
The fact that he is the sixth longest serving manager in the division is largely as a result of other clubs and fans not giving a manager time. It's no surprise that Ferguson and Wenger had success and the likes of Liverpool who previously had a great record went off the boil somewhat.
What position do those calling for his head actually expect us to be in?
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I think you can legitimately make a case that we've only played well in 2 of the 17 league games this season. (Arsenal and Chelsea)
The Man City and Southampton wins were lucky in the extreme for me.
I am firmly in the Lambert OUT camp, but the problem is whoever comes in has to take charge of a squad so utterly abysmal it's frightening.
It's almost as if Lambert has spent the last two years scouting players to sign by searching for random player on football manager. He got lucky with Benteke (last season) and it looked as if Vlaar was turning into a decent player, but the others by and large have been dross.
Unless a new guy is backed with significant funds there wouldn't be that massive of an improvement (there may be a slight one, whether enough to stave off what feels increasingly inevitable this season or next is another question).
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What position do those calling for his head actually expect us to be in?
Probably not playing the sort of spineless shit that the team currently plays. Showing some spirt. Playing with Balls. Cherishing the ball and valuing possession.
So, not 6 points off the bottom.
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Would regain my faith getting in, Hoddle, if not as a manager as a player.
Thanks for trying to make us laugh tonight.
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Having a go at Lambert on the basis of his accent and enunciation is childish, unintelligent and frankly just lazy.
If you actually could be bothered to listen, you'd be able to understand him.
He had a successful playing career and before joining us a good managerial one too.
The fact that he is the sixth longest serving manager in the division is largely as a result of other clubs and fans not giving a manager time. It's no surprise that Ferguson and Wenger had success and the likes of Liverpool who previously had a great record went off the boil somewhat.
What position do those calling for his head actually expect us to be in?
I expect us to beat Palace at home.
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Having a go at Lambert on the basis of his accent and enunciation is childish, unintelligent and frankly just lazy.
If you actually could be bothered to listen, you'd be able to understand him.
He had a successful playing career and before joining us a good managerial one too.
The fact that he is the sixth longest serving manager in the division is largely as a result of other clubs and fans not giving a manager time. It's no surprise that Ferguson and Wenger had success and the likes of Liverpool who previously had a great record went off the boil somewhat.
What position do those calling for his head actually expect us to be in?
I expect us to beat Palace at home.
Have to say, I'm not saying 'sack him now and replace him with anyone', but losing to Palace at home is an extraordinary low.
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Having a go at Lambert on the basis of his accent and enunciation is childish, unintelligent and frankly just lazy.
If you actually could be bothered to listen, you'd be able to understand him.
He had a successful playing career and before joining us a good managerial one too.
The fact that he is the sixth longest serving manager in the division is largely as a result of other clubs and fans not giving a manager time. It's no surprise that Ferguson and Wenger had success and the likes of Liverpool who previously had a great record went off the boil somewhat.
What position do those calling for his head actually expect us to be in?
I don't think it all boils down to league position, as I'm guessing most would have estimated mid table to lower midtable at this stage. What gets people is that the quality, and style of football is unfathomably shit.
We have a number of players, signed by Lambert, who struggle to pass the ball 5 yards to a teammate.
We have a number of players, signed by Lambert, who are slow, turgid and lack any sort of dynamism
We have a defender (Baker) who may just be the worst central defender in the league, yet is still picked by Lambert.
What do we have to look forward to signing wise in January (if anything)? More shit from League 1, Championship, Holland, Poland? We don't even seem to be buying the best in those countries. We seem to be signing established average players from them.
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I would like to turn it around that not beating Palace at home, who really are rubbish as it was obvious all afternoon, is a low.
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Having a go at Lambert on the basis of his accent and enunciation is childish, unintelligent and frankly just lazy.
If you actually could be bothered to listen, you'd be able to understand him.
He had a successful playing career and before joining us a good managerial one too.
The fact that he is the sixth longest serving manager in the division is largely as a result of other clubs and fans not giving a manager time. It's no surprise that Ferguson and Wenger had success and the likes of Liverpool who previously had a great record went off the boil somewhat.
What position do those calling for his head actually expect us to be in?
Someone talking sense at last. And Hoddle - it's f*#£ing frightening that people can genuinely believe the guy would be a serious contender. Good god - Will Villa fans ever learn?????
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Who cares how he speaks? The Southampton manager can't even speak English and they play football we can only dream of at the moment.
He's got an interpreter.
That's it! Sack Lambert and get the interpreter. Or keep Lambert and get an interpreter ;-))
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Amongst the shitstorm that is happening at pitch level,what worries me more is the fact people are seriously thinking of Hoddle as a serious candidate for us .They are deluded and blind.
Maybe they were "bad" in a previous life.
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Enough is enough - time to sack him and make another attempt for OGS , if he doesn't want it then someone like hoddle who at least plays decent football and is tactically astute.
Exactly what is so fantastically good that OGS has done exactly at this level not the Mickey Mouse Norwegian league that is.
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Ok. So we should expect to beat Palace at home. You would hope we could. But anything can happen, look at who we've got results against as evidence!
Position doesn't matter, playing style does ... Except if we were playing beautiful football and were in the relegation places people would argue differently.
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Randy will not sack Lambert while we are getting crowds of 37.5k, while the wages/revenue ccontinues to move in the right direction and we are sitting in 13th. With reasonable excuses/injuries to point at, Randy will not want to pay out compensation. Nothing will change.
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I can see why people are suggesting Hoddle. It's simply because we're so starved of passing exciting attacking football. I'm not sure Hoddle is the man we need. I just know why he's being touted.
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I would say my greatest concern is that the wheels are falling off at exactly the same stage as last season. This on top of the fact that not one of the players we signed in the summer has proven to be better than what we had. Ok Okore may be, but we don't know. As a result we have a squad that has no real options and looks completely inadequate. Not good enough on any level.
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I'm as unhappy as everybody else, but what are the options if Lambert was to go? Brainstorming:
Mackay - drubbed 3-0 at home today
Jol - never pulled up many trees, but would handle the continental mix better - likes to spend
OGS - as a previous poster said, what has he actually achieved
Hoddle - been out of the English game too long?
Clarke - done nothing apart from spunked money even more carlessly than Lambert
AVB - no chance - chequebook is firmly closed
Holloway - right up Lerner's street
The raft of promising Championship mangers would need paying off - Adkins - Davies - Dyche - Pearson
Change for changes sake?
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Is there any expecatations on anyone to achieve anything at all at the Villa?
The Chairman is MIA and never utters a peep.
The manager loses game after game and has a habbit of breaking records, the kind you don't want to break.
The players make similar mistakes week in week out whilst playing like a bunch of plumbers, no offence to plumbers.
The coach, who seems to have the ability to uncoach the ability from players signed from clubs in lower leagues see's fit to call fans fucking morons.
The chief executive is shite when it comes to running a club, he should go execute some chiefs.
And during all this nothing happens. There are no consequences to under performing, the gravy train keeps rolling on. No one seems to be pushing for anything more than surviving and 40pts a season. If this is the future you can count me out. There is no plan, there certainly seems no realistic plan. Signing players from Crewe and Chesterfield is no kind of plan.
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Ok. So we should expect to beat Palace at home. You would hope we could. But anything can happen, look at who we've got results against as evidence!
Position doesn't matter, playing style does ... Except if we were playing beautiful football and were in the relegation places people would argue differently.
Yes because it's impossible to play attractive football and also be in a reasonable league position. Swansea and the baggies are proof of that from last season.
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I'm as unhappy as everybody else, but what are the options if Lambert was to go? Brainstorming:
Mackay - drubbed 3-0 at home today
Jol - never pulled up many trees, but would handle the continental mix better - likes to spend
OGS - as a previous poster said, what has he actually achieved
Hoddle - been out of the English game too long?
Clarke - done nothing apart from spunked money even more carlessly than Lambert
AVB - no chance - chequebook is firmly closed
Holloway - right up Lerner's street
The raft of promising Championship mangers would need paying off - Adkins - Davies - Dyche - Pearson
Change for changes sake?
There are more managers in the world than a handful of the usual suspects and Premier league failures you know. We aren't exactly known for breeding great coaches on this island, maybe it's time to look where real football is played.
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I'm as unhappy as everybody else, but what are the options if Lambert was to go? Brainstorming:
Mackay - drubbed 3-0 at home today
Jol - never pulled up many trees, but would handle the continental mix better - likes to spend
OGS - as a previous poster said, what has he actually achieved
Hoddle - been out of the English game too long?
Clarke - done nothing apart from spunked money even more carlessly than Lambert
AVB - no chance - chequebook is firmly closed
Holloway - right up Lerner's street
The raft of promising Championship mangers would need paying off - Adkins - Davies - Dyche - Pearson
Change for changes sake?
Agree the realistic alternatives are not a Who's who of Clough, Michels, Stein etc... but someone punted Koeman which may be worth a punt though the thought that Lerner and Faulkner exploring that option is unlikely to say the least. Holloway would be more likely.
Help us all.
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I'm as unhappy as everybody else, but what are the options if Lambert was to go? Brainstorming:
Mackay - drubbed 3-0 at home today
Jol - never pulled up many trees, but would handle the continental mix better - likes to spend
OGS - as a previous poster said, what has he actually achieved
Hoddle - been out of the English game too long?
Clarke - done nothing apart from spunked money even more carlessly than Lambert
AVB - no chance - chequebook is firmly closed
Holloway - right up Lerner's street
The raft of promising Championship mangers would need paying off - Adkins - Davies - Dyche - Pearson
Change for changes sake?
There are more managers in the world than a handful of the usual suspects and Premier league failures you know. We aren't exactly known for breeding great coaches on this island, maybe it's time to look where real football is played.
Spot on. If we are to make a change lets not make the same mistakes again.
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Ok. So we should expect to beat Palace at home. You would hope we could.
We should also expect to be able to score a goal in more than 33% of our home games.
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I think so far this season at Villa Park we have witnessed about 45 minutes of entertainment, it is amazing that 37k tooled down there today on the back of that....
I have no faith whatsoever in Lambert now I'm afraid, whatever the rights and wrongs of Randy's position nowadays there is only one man who has had THREE transfer windows and refused point blank to bring in any experience to our club....if you want to be so one-eyed about a policy your neck is on the line if it goes wrong.
As a club that has been established in the top division for many years we shouldn't dumb down our expectations, we expect to compete in the top half and the custodians of the club own that expectation, as such the team manager has to have the ability to manage that expectation. It feels as though Lambert is not up to that task to me. I'm sure those expectations will be viewed by non-Villa supporters as arrogant but who cares? Our club answer to us only....
Rantings from me;
We have no experience in the side.
We ONLY sign players with no top flight experience
The only good signings Lambert has made are Benteke & resigning Guzan.
We have no leaders on the pitch.
We run but have no quality on the ball
As a quality midfielder himself he has not purchased one good one.
Once the 'hungry' young players get the fat contract they have been crap - man-management?
I'm another that thinks we need a DOF + manager/coach - would like to see part of that arrangement have a connection / understanding of the club
Can't wait for Saturday.... :-(
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Injuries accounted for and the wage bill accepted can anyone defend £43 million spent and 3 transfer windows later we have a midfield 2 today of Delph and El Ahamadi? Criminal.
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Who cares how he speaks? The Southampton manager can't even speak English and they play football we can only dream of at the moment.
He's got an interpreter.
Add Pochettino's interpreter to the 'potential new manager' list.
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He hasn't allowed the situation to get that bad. I mean we can allow a 24 million pound striker to leave on loan.
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Who cares how he speaks? The Southampton manager can't even speak English and they play football we can only dream of at the moment.
He's got an interpreter.
LOL
Add Pochettino's interpreter to the 'potential new manager' list.
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This old Chestnut again, 0-0, last 5 minutes of an important relegation 6 pointer. The ball Is whipped into the box. Who do you want on the end of it? Jordan Bowery 10 goals in 102 games or Darren Bent?
We are paying his fucking wages.
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Injuries accounted for and the wage bill accepted can anyone defend £43 million spent and 3 transfer windows later we have a midfield today of Delph? Criminal.
Fixed it for you.
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Lambert won't be sacked, Lerner would have to stump up more cash pay offLambert and to attract a new manager. Imagine who we'd get with the budget any manager would have to work within. Nobody with any quality would want to come near Villa Park, unless they had a death wish.
Which means we need to either hope things can be turned around or we need to make changes to the players. I would hope that Lambert & Lerner are aware of what we need & are working on getting things sorted soon. If not we are in for another bumpy ride.
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The coach, who ... see's fit to call fans fucking morons.
What's this about?
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This old Chestnut again, 0-0, last 5 minutes of an important relegation 6 pointer. The ball Is whipped into the box. Who do you want on the end of it? Jordan Bowery 10 goals in 102 games or Darren Bent?
We are paying his fucking wages.
Yeah but the Fulham fucker who now manages him says he is too fucking fat innit.
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This old Chestnut again, 0-0, last 5 minutes of an important relegation 6 pointer. The ball Is whipped into the box. Who do you want on the end of it? Jordan Bowery 10 goals in 102 games or Darren Bent?
We are paying his fucking wages.
Fulham are paying most if not all of them. A bargain at 60k a week and two league goals for them.
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I'm embarrassed at the moment, cannot watch any football, cannot even think about MoTD.
Lambert proved he's inept at the start of the year with the Bradford debacle. Any faith I had in the mumbling twat has now gone. Our team is shit. Baker is a Sunday morning plodder. FO Lambert, we can lose every week without paying your salary you prick.
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This old Chestnut again, 0-0, last 5 minutes of an important relegation 6 pointer. The ball Is whipped into the box. Who do you want on the end of it? Jordan Bowery 10 goals in 102 games or Darren Bent?
We are paying his fucking wages.
Yeah but the Fulham fucker who now manages him says he is too fucking fat innit.
Bringing bent back is not the answer. He's shown at fulham that he's lost his mojo and determination.
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Can we cut out the personal insults aimed at Lambert please. By all means say you think he is shite at his job and you want him gone if that is your pov but there is no need for some of the things that are getting posted.
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Can we cut out the personal insults aimed at Lambert please. By all means say you think he is shite at his job and you want him gone if that is your pov but there is no need for some of the things that are getting posted.
Totally agree. The ridiculous personal insults devalue the debate.
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This old Chestnut again, 0-0, last 5 minutes of an important relegation 6 pointer. The ball Is whipped into the box. Who do you want on the end of it? Jordan Bowery 10 goals in 102 games or Darren Bent?
We are paying his fucking wages.
Yeah but the Fulham fucker who now manages him says he is too fucking fat innit.
Bringing bent back is not the answer. He's shown at fulham that he's lost his mojo and determination.
I'd rather have a bent on the bench with no mojo than Bowery on the bench with whatever he supposedly has.
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Lambert has to go for me, last year during our rough patch Paul Lambert used the line "judge me on my team" well last 4 games have 100% been his team, his tactics are woeful, all I see throughout the games are players looking around with arms raised, we were crying out for a creative player in the summer, he even said to the press that he was looking at some I.e Belhanda and popov, but still he did nothing.... Also did anyone else listen to bbcwm after the game? Franksi said that he was told from villa that lambert had 15m to spend last Jan on players or even 1player and wages, he signed league 2 Cylla and Dawkins,
I know i've not been on here much lately but wanted to air my views and say for me 100% LAMBERT OUT
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I'm as unhappy as everybody else, but what are the options if Lambert was to go? Brainstorming:
Mackay - drubbed 3-0 at home today
Jol - never pulled up many trees, but would handle the continental mix better - likes to spend
OGS - as a previous poster said, what has he actually achieved
Hoddle - been out of the English game too long?
Clarke - done nothing apart from spunked money even more carlessly than Lambert
AVB - no chance - chequebook is firmly closed
Holloway - right up Lerner's street
The raft of promising Championship mangers would need paying off - Adkins - Davies - Dyche - Pearson
Change for changes sake?
There are more managers in the world than a handful of the usual suspects and Premier league failures you know. We aren't exactly known for breeding great coaches on this island, maybe it's time to look where real football is played.
Spot on. If we are to make a change lets not make the same mistakes again.
Fear ye not: I think the board have shown they are more than capable of finding new ways to make mistakes.
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The only good signings Lambert has made are Benteke & resigning Guzan.
Jores. >:(
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Lambert isn't going to be getting sacked any time soon.
Lerner loves him, mostly because he plays along with this absurd idea that what you need to be progressive is a squad choc full of low wage, lower leagues dross.
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The only good signings Lambert has made are Benteke & resigning Guzan.
Jores. >:(
We won't know till we see him play 5-10-15 games?
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Has the ****** resigned yet ?
I need some Christmas cheer
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Lambert isn't going to be getting sacked any time soon.
Lerner loves him, mostly because he plays along with this absurd idea that what you need to be progressive is a squad choc full of low wage, lower leagues dross.
Well to sack Lambert he would have to admit this does not work to sustain a healthy position in the top division. After all Lambert is only doing his job as asked to by Randy.
It might be different to build a team from the lower leagues and mix them with the academy players while in the lower leagues, building a team and style of play. But throwing a team together like this and expect them to perform against the best 19 teams in England is not working. Its been said many times but this experiment has to stop now.
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I might just start banning people who choose to ignore polite requests from us.
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throwing together a team that cost 43m ... in a season and a half of course
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Palace,Sunderland and Fulham have all sacked their managers recently and the connection is ? They have all picked up enough to win a few games and move closer to us. What's to say it would not work for Villa
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The tide turned with that goal hitting the net I reckon. If the local press get after him and we lose the next 2/3, he won't make the middle of Jan as it will be an impossible situation. But whoever is in charge, they need money and a change of view in the market this window.
And as much as I loathe Franksy, if we had 15 million last jan and chose not to spend it, to save it for what we bought in the summer, it is worrying as hell for this January.
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Palace,Sunderland and Fulham have all sacked their managers recently and the connection is ? They have all picked up enough to win a few games and move closer to us. What's to say it would not work for Villa
yeah but Fulham's is a Fergie accolyte(sic) and evidently that's a no no at B6
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Palace,Sunderland and Fulham have all sacked their managers recently and the connection is ? They have all picked up enough to win a few games and move closer to us. What's to say it would not work for Villa
You could also argue Sunderland are on their second manager since they sacked O'Neil and they're bottom of the league.
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It's all about the results and they say he's one of our worst managers. I'm gutted it hasn't worked.
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I agree Clampy, but under their new manager they have also beat Chelsea and Everton in the last week or so .
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Has the c*** resigned yet ?
I need some Christmas cheer
Non of us are happy but there is no need for c word directed at Lambert.
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Lambert in. He got the thankless job of tidying up the mess after MON, GH and McLeish. It hasn't always been pretty - most of the time it hasn't been pretty, but there have been signs (final part of last season) that he tries to make Villa a decent side playing decent football. Though I'm far from certain that he's capable to achieve what he's trying to do.
Among the three managerial appointments the board has made, he's the best (or least worst). He is not old, sick and aloof like Houllier, and he's not as bad as McLeish. I'm not saying that we'll have a good chance of success if we keep Lambert for five years, but, given their record so far, I don't think our chances will improve if the board keeps picking a new manager every 12 to 18 months for the next five years. Even if Lambert gets the boot, I believe we will continue to be quite bad at our worst.
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p 56
w 14
d 16
l 26
pts 58
gd -30
His win ratio is only higher than Venglos and Mcneil and his average points per game is only higher than Mcneil. Goal difference is also appalling.
Home record
p28
w 7
d 6
l 15
pts 27
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7 wins in 28 at home, be lucky if we have any season ticket holders left next summer....
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Among the three managerial appointments the board has made, he's the best (or least worst). He is not old, sick and aloof like Houllier, and he's not as bad as McLeish.
That's the faintest of praise.
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It's all about the results and they say he's one of our worst managers. I'm gutted it hasn't worked.
No, Jessie J says it right. Its all about the money, money, money.
Last season Man u won the PL and got £100m, this season with the latest tv deals, the lowest placed team in the PL will make an estimated £60M. Randy has lowered our spending and outgoings and our expectations, we don't need to have a successful team, to be a successful business. AVFC the franchise is doing fine.
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As an aside:
We should focus our frustrations on the important stuff in hand over what another poster has said ironically or forcefully about us.
The club is more important than our dismissed comments, irony laden, aggressive attacks we deliver each other.
Stop being rude to each other.
Is your comment really worth defending, or being attacked, considering Villa's position?
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There must be quite a few managers who have lost their jobs this season who look at his record over a season and a half and wish they had been treated as kindly as him. I'm not sure the purse strings have been that tight either. How many players and at what cost has Pardew bought compared to Lambert in the same period? I also don't believe he had to get rid of ALL of the big earners, I believe that was his choice. I can live with being beaten by Palace. I can live with playing rubbish against Palace. The trouble is it was far from a blip or a one off. It was typical of us at home under Lambert for one and a half seasons.
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I can't see how sacking the manager on the 27th of December is a good idea. Far too close to the transfer window.. Whoever would come in would still be working with the same dross we have, no time to evaluate players and sign them.
Ultimately if you buy all your goods at Poundland, eventually your house ends up full of cheap useless tat. Which is what we have in effect.
We have to just hope there are 3 worse teams than us again
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Palace,Sunderland and Fulham have all sacked their managers recently and the connection is ? They have all picked up enough to win a few games and move closer to us. What's to say it would not work for Villa
yeah but Fulham's is a Fergie accolyte(sic) and evidently that's a no no at B6
I had an interesting conversation today with my Man Utd brother-in-law about René Meulensteen. I'd never heard of him but apparently everybody at Old Trafford highly respects the fella and he's given a lot of the credit for last season's success, more so than Fergie if the rumours are true. The board did everything to persuade Moyes to keep him on but he insisted in bringing in his own staff. They very reluctantly agreed but were not very happy about it.
Time will tell but it does give you an indication that there are very good alternatives out there if you know where to look. The old chestnut of "oh but who can we get that's better" is plain nonsense. There's thousands out there to choose from, almost all would jump at the chance of managing a club like Villa, the only problem is identifying the right man. I'd hope we've learnt out lesson and have actively put in place a contingency plan should the manager ever need replacing.
Leaving it to see who applies or a letter from Red Nose is not the way I imagine a top club to deal with the matter.
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Please not Hoddle. He would only bang on about what a bastard I was in a previous life.
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The sensible thing to do is to let him have the January window to sort this mess out. He sorted it last year, so give him the chance to do it again. I just don't think there’s anyone available who could get the ethos of these players changed in such a short time whereas at least Lambert can get them playing something like the back end of last year again.
Especially if the alternatives are Hoddle and OGS. I'd rather Martin Laursen got the job than either of those two but again you'd be asking a lot from him to sort this out.
Lambert knows the strength of these players and I'd rather him try to just about keep us up than risk complete free fall under inexperienced/sabbatical new management. Change it in the summer if we must like we did with Eck & Houllier.
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The scariest thing is that it doesn't matter who's in charge we're going to struggle at the wrong end of the table while Lerner persists with his cost cutting. He actively sold all our best players and replaced them with cheap low quality shit and expected them to compete in the Premier League. You get what you pay for in life and this dreadful squad is the consequence of our chronic lack of ambition.
I've said it before, this is the worst Villa squad I've ever seen.
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1. Has Lerner really been as miserly as people suggest since O'Neill left? We've bought bent, makoun, n'zogbia, Ireland, Hutton, given (£40k a week for five years). That's nearly £50m of transfer fees plus god knows how much in wages for players all now ditched (and not a penny of transfer income to offset against that investment. And that's after years of subsidising the club and ditching the majority of players signed for about 25% of what we paid.
Since then he's wanted to pursue a new strategy and who can blame him?!
The risk/ problem is that under lambert we've gone too far in buying unknowns. But we've still changed around an entire squad with a net outlay of what? £40m? What income has come in so far? Pennies.
The problem is a series of poor choices by randy and Faulkner, and by the managers they've appointed. It's not a simple lack of investment story at all.
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The scariest thing is that it doesn't matter who's in charge we're going to struggle at the wrong end of the table while Lerner persists with his cost cutting. He actively sold all our best players and replaced them with cheap low quality shit and expected them to compete in the Premier League. You get what you pay for in life and this dreadful squad is the consequence of our chronic lack of ambition.
I've said it before, this is the worst Villa squad I've ever seen.
I'm struggling to think of a worse one quality wise.
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2. Randy won't sack lambert unless we're really getting stranded. He's never acted mid way through a season. And he knows that a new manager could well want to get rid of at least half the squad again and bring in about eight new players.
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Transfers in under lambert with estimated prices:
Steer (free) Lowton (1) Okore (4) vlaar (3) Luna (1) Bennett (2.5) bacuna (1.5) Westwood (1) kea (2) Tonev (3) benteke (7) kozak (7) sylla (0.5) Bowery (0.5) helenius (1.5)
That's about £35m in two years. Plus about £10m in paying off former managers. I think income has been less than £5m.
So from Randy's perspective that's a clear picture of continuous net transfer investment.
But what's very obvious is that to replace the best part of an entire squad for that over two years and you're banking on unearthing some pretty cheap bargains.
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The scariest thing is that it doesn't matter who's in charge we're going to struggle at the wrong end of the table while Lerner persists with his cost cutting. He actively sold all our best players and replaced them with cheap low quality shit and expected them to compete in the Premier League. You get what you pay for in life and this dreadful squad is the consequence of our chronic lack of ambition.
I've said it before, this is the worst Villa squad I've ever seen.
That's a monumentally depressing post, mostly because it's largely true, certainly in terms of the weak squad.
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Especially if the alternatives are Hoddle and OGS. I'd rather Martin Laursen got the job than either of those two but again you'd be asking a lot from him to sort this out.
Oh for a Martin Laursen in our defence now. Leader, fighter, footballer, all the things we're lacking. I could have wept when I looked at yesterday's defensive line up - Lowton, Clark, Baker, Luna? I ask you to name a worse back four in the history of Aston Villa.
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Has the incompetent, incoherent, uncharistmatic, boring oaf been sacked yet? I'd rather hoped it might have happened in the night with the time difference in the USA
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The biggest worry for me is that I'm not sure randy would sack him even if we lost the next 4 games - from lamberts comments on the other thread on Lerner it suggests the chairman is hardly a hard line boss and maybe not ruthless enough to act .
People tell me he fired coaches at will at the browns but I'm not sure he realises quite how bad things are here .
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7 wins in 28 at home, be lucky if we have any season ticket holders left next summer....
I very nearly didn't renew for this season. I've missed the Man Utd and yesterdays games - good decision! A terrible Christmas just like last year. I will not renew whilst he's in charge - shocking value for money. Six defeats out of nine home matches and only six goals scored? A complete failure which is getting worse.
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The scariest thing is that it doesn't matter who's in charge we're going to struggle at the wrong end of the table while Lerner persists with his cost cutting.
Whilst I agree with that to some extent, it doesn't stop a manager doing the very basics right and getting the best with what he's got. Neither of which Lambert is doing
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Some very interesting comments on the Villa Facebook pages by some bloke called Dennis Jones in the last 12 hours. Stuff about Lerner bordering on defamatory but worrying if true
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I have to take issue with some of what you wrote there, SH.
Is the squad shit? Yes, I agree with that. But some of what you levelled at the chairman is unfair.
Actively sold our best players? I disagree. Actively would suggest he was touting them round. We got very good money for all of them.
And to suggest HE replaced them with a load of cheap crap is unfair as well. The managers make the signings.
You can certainly point the finger about him not being around, or making the wrong choices for manager, but the above seems unfair.
As in fact is moaning about his lack of investment. It is how the managers have invested it that has been the issue.
I will agree that we seem to have gone from A to C with no stop at B on the cost cutting.
What isnt clear at this point is whether the financial constraints have forced Lambert's hand in what he has signed or whether it is very much a plan of his own.
On the manager, I would give him longer. I could do without a Groundhog Christmas, and yesterday was woeful, but I believe it would do more harm than good to give him the elbow now.
Let him try to sort it in January and review things again at the end of the season is my view.
It doesnt mean it is not making for painful viewing mind.
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which facebook page ?
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And to suggest HE replaced them with a load of cheap crap is unfair as well. The managers make the signings.
Except that, in the case of Young/Downing we got 38m and did we spend that replacing them in the side ?. No, we spent 9/10m on N'Zogbia and expected him to replace them both
Can't remember us spending the 18m from Milner's sale replacing him either
And so on
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The counter to that is we blew a wedge in the previous January on Bent and Makoun. And anyway, the point I was making was that, regardless of the budget, it isnt the chairman that signs the players.
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one point better off and in fairness we played decent teams on our bad run last year like Chelsea and Spurs. This year Fulham, Stoke, and Palace have turned us over and we rolled over for a United team that are beatable.
You are mis reporting facts to fit your argument, we played Wigan last year too and lost 3-0 at home. They were relegated.
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The counter to that is we blew a wedge in the previous January on Bent and Makoun. And anyway, the point I was making was that, regardless of the budget, it isnt the chairman that signs the players.
But he does decide how much we spend.
A few more wins and the forum will be on about a shot at Europa league again.
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Having supported him and supported him, today broke me I think.
Not because of the loss, but the fact for so many games we have looked so abject going forward.
Collymore and Francis both said today we are way to weak in the centre of midfield, they are right. We can't play as we don't own the middle of the park.
We have no one who can jink and beat a man.
For the first time tonight I would almost be a little relieved if he went tonight.
Anyone coming in could use the loan market to get in 2-3 experienced heads which we still painfully lack.
This says it all for me. I was desperate for some stability and to build a team. I was supportive of him when he came but his plan is one of building a championship squad. We have the worst home record in all 4 divisions and he can't (or won't) address what the fans can see- weak defence, abject midfield and no width. All we do is punt the ball aimlessly toward a 6'3" striker or pass it horizontally amongst the back four.
But if he were to go , who in their right mind would come to us? We have a 'scrooge' owner and a poor squad?
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one point better off and in fairness we played decent teams on our bad run last year like Chelsea and Spurs. This year Fulham, Stoke, and Palace have turned us over and we rolled over for a United team that are beatable.
You are mis reporting facts to fit your argument, we played Wigan last year too and lost 3-0 at home. They were relegated.
Either way we will ave played everybody once as we did last season at this stage - the worry is we are looking a shambles and playing badly while the bottom 3 are all improving and we could well be in the bottom 3 in a weeks time.
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Having supported him and supported him, today broke me I think.
Not because of the loss, but the fact for so many games we have looked so abject going forward.
Collymore and Francis both said today we are way to weak in the centre of midfield, they are right. We can't play as we don't own the middle of the park.
We have no one who can jink and beat a man.
For the first time tonight I would almost be a little relieved if he went tonight.
Anyone coming in could use the loan market to get in 2-3 experienced heads which we still painfully lack.
This says it all for me. I was desperate for some stability and to build a team. I was supportive of him when he came but his plan is one of building a championship squad. We have the worst home record in all 4 divisions and he can't (or won't) address what the fans can see- weak defence, abject midfield and no width. All we do is punt the ball aimlessly toward a 6'3" striker or pass it horizontally amongst the back four.
But if he were to go , who in their right mind would come to us? We have a 'scrooge' owner and a poor squad?
I think a club of the stature of Aston Villa will always be an attraction for a lot of managers .
Expectation levels are not high and the chairman doesn't interfere like at some clubs - the wage bill has been addressed in the main and villa is still a decent job .
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Yes, we aren't a top tier side anymore but there aren't many of those in the world are there. We are a step below that. Please don't believe for one second we are thought of in football terms as a Fulham or Stoke because we are buying shite at the moment, ''potential'' is important and managers looking at making there way to the very top will get a lot more recognition from achieving something at the Villa than at a Fulham.
There are hundreds of managers out there who know their football and could do a better job and would be willing to come. As for a scrooge owner. Yes he's reined in the unlimited spending and wages but likewise there are also many many managers who work on a smaller budget than £20m per season and can get their sides looking better than 11 drunken hobos meeting at a park bench.
Can Faulkner do his job? That is the question. Houllier, Mcleish, Lambert, suggests he knows little of the footballing world and has little to no imagination.
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Lumping the ball forward is horrible and painful to watch but it would not be so bad if it worked once in a while. We have a giant of a centre forward we paid £7 million for and I did not see him win the ball in the air once yesterday. He can't jump. What is the point of launching the ball in the air towards him? Yesterday we had men in acres of space out wide who were persistently and repeatedly ignored and the ball pumped up to Kozak. Ian Ormondroyd was the same. No spring upwards towards the ball, just a laboured uncoiling.
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Would it be fair to say there's been 45 minutes of good football played by us at Villa Park this season, Everton first half.?
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I keep seeing the scrooge and much blaming of Lerner.
To flip that Lambert has had 35-40 million to spend, and given free reign of how to spend it. It is not that scrooge like a budget, it has just been spread across too many players.
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I might just start banning people who choose to ignore polite requests from us.
Maybe they think that they can get away with it as they did with the previous manager.
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The counter to that is we blew a wedge in the previous January on Bent and Makoun. And anyway, the point I was making was that, regardless of the budget, it isnt the chairman that signs the players.
Wasnt Bent bought from the Milner money ?
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I might just start banning people who choose to ignore polite requests from us.
Maybe they think that they can get away with it as they did with the previous manager.
Maybe they did, but neither deserve it so rather than taking pots at the running of the site just be thankful we are trying to not let it happen this.
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The counter to that is we blew a wedge in the previous January on Bent and Makoun. And anyway, the point I was making was that, regardless of the budget, it isnt the chairman that signs the players.
Very true, but the funds he frees up does dictate the players the manager can sign. Not that that's any excuse for buying utter shit
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Some very interesting comments on the Villa Facebook pages by some bloke called Dennis Jones in the last 12 hours. Stuff about Lerner bordering on defamatory but worrying if true
What has been said?
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When a new manager inevitably comes in, we'll soon see what Lambert has been building.
This 'building for the future' bullshit will be exposed once and for all as the charade that it is. A handful at best of this lot will be kept on which spells it out clearly
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Some very interesting comments on the Villa Facebook pages by some bloke called Dennis Jones in the last 12 hours. Stuff about Lerner bordering on defamatory but worrying if true
What has been said?
You can view yourself with a FB account. Mr Jones is very angry but probably needs a good solicitor.
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Some very interesting comments on the Villa Facebook pages by some bloke called Dennis Jones in the last 12 hours. Stuff about Lerner bordering on defamatory but worrying if true
What has been said?
You can view yourself with a FB account. Mr Jones is very angry but probably needs a good solicitor.
Where am i supposed to be looking on Facebook ?
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Some very interesting comments on the Villa Facebook pages by some bloke called Dennis Jones in the last 12 hours. Stuff about Lerner bordering on defamatory but worrying if true
Just had a look, not a fan of Lerner is he? Talks of a £20k a week wage ceiling, only money for a loan signing in January as Lambert had to spend the Jan budget in the Summer to get bodies in. Suggests that we are paying for the divorce, Randy drops his pants a lot and has no tattoo....
IF the wage ceiling is that (and would explain a few things regarding signings) we are truly f#cked.
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I've had enough. He can take his project, his work in progress, his young and hungry no-marks and his long ball clueless shit and fuck off. We're no further along the road than we were this time last year. Losing to Palace at home - he should be apologising.
We are an absolutely shit team
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Some very interesting comments on the Villa Facebook pages by some bloke called Dennis Jones in the last 12 hours. Stuff about Lerner bordering on defamatory but worrying if true
Just had a look, not a fan of Lerner is he? Talks of a £20k a week wage ceiling, only money for a loan signing in January as Lambert had to spend the Jan budget in the Summer to get bodies in. Suggests that we are paying for the divorce, Randy drops his pants a lot and has no tattoo....
IF the wage ceiling is that (and would explain a few things regarding signings) we are truly f#cked.
Remind me what wage we signed benteke onto this summer
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Remind me what wage we signed benteke onto this summer
I'm pretty sure no one knows the answer to that
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Just had a look, not a fan of Lerner is he? Talks of a £20k a week wage ceiling, only money for a loan signing in January as Lambert had to spend the Jan budget in the Summer to get bodies in. Suggests that we are paying for the divorce, Randy drops his pants a lot and has no tattoo....
IF the wage ceiling is that (and would explain a few things regarding signings) we are truly f#cked.
If that was the case how come benteke was given a vastly improved deal - don't believe this £20k stuff at all.
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We are certainly in a mess.
We have a board with no real football experience (other than that gained "on the job"). We have a board from whom we never hear (other than platitudes and general "we are going in the right direction" state of the union-type addresses). For me, Mr Lerner has done some good things for the club and PF seems to be doing a good job on the commercial side, but we are a FOOTBALL club as well; we need football knowledge and football savvy. The loss of Mr Stride (and a failure to replace) was a big one. The transfer strategy has been miscalculated; we have gone (as others have said on here) from A to C without going via B.
We have a manager who seems to have no clear tactics, playing philosophy, no clear team selection philosophy and now no clear connection with the fans. That disconnect with the fans might be the tipping point; there is usually no way back from it.
We have a bunch of players who are, as a group, inexperienced and lacking confidence. The group is also in my view unbalanced and there are too many out of form players. Last year, PL said he wanted young hungry players; Clark, Baker, Lowton, Westwood, Benteke responded. The new contracts signed in the summer, they have failed to replicate last years performances. Some of the new signings are struggling to "settle"; Messrs Luna and Tonev spring to mind.
Putting it all together, we are standing, as the saying goes, on the edge of a cliff. We need clear leadership both from the board and from the manager, and also from the experienced players. The likes of Gabby have to be loud and strong; yesterday, he seemed content to hide when he should be grabbing the younger players and guiding the team. Being a captain is more than just an armband.
Something has to change on the field, but can it happen by retaining the status quo?? We tried to pick "our" team in the car before the game yesterday; we couldn't. That was really because our squad is lacking balance. Yes, the injuries have hindered us, but then every club has injuries. It comes back to the need to change something. Yesterday, I said there were no obvious alternatives to PL; after yesterday, I am not sure that there is no alternative, but to change PL. The question is, will Mr Lerner agree to spend yet more money rectifying the situation??
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Please not Hoddle. He would only bang on about what a bastard I was in a previous life.
And all those at Acorns.
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Especially if the alternatives are Hoddle and OGS. I'd rather Martin Laursen got the job than either of those two but again you'd be asking a lot from him to sort this out.
Oh for a Martin Laursen in our defence now. Leader, fighter, footballer, all the things we're lacking. I could have wept when I looked at yesterday's defensive line up - Lowton, Clark, Baker, Luna? I ask you to name a worse back four in the history of Aston Villa.
You mean Vlaar? He's injured.
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I think a manager should be given a good few years before deciding on whether or not a change is needed.
However, during that period you would like to see the team have a plan as to how they will play. If it's not quite working, then fair enough, but at least the manager and players have something to work towards.
Unfortunately, we don't have any plan whatsoever and nobody seems to know what is going on.
I'm torn between sacking and keeping.
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Welcome historian. Excellent post.