Lambert OUT

[PeterWithesShin]

We don't know if it is Randy or PL choosing to go down this route with signings.

[N'Zimidy]

Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.

Me calling him Mr Mumbles is not anything to do with his upbringing, accent or a nasty dig on his person. But every time he comes in after a pathetic performance and mumbles to the interviewer something about "all credit to the lads, they never stopped going" or "we go again" it get right on my tits. There's no passion, no anger, not even bitter acknowledgement that we just got shafted by a much weaker team. It's communication skills like this that make me think he's the reason why were such a soft touch at home. He can talk loud and clearly whenever we win or get a good result but when we lose home games on the bounce he puts on this dejected "feel sorry for me and the team" voice and it pisses me off. He should be leading the dressing room by explicitly telling the interviewer performances like the one today are not good enough - rather than heaping praises on them under his breath.

[eastie]

We don't know if it is Randy or PL choosing to go down this route with signings.

We knew about the cutbacks after mon left but randy sanctioned some big deals for Mcleish like given, Hutton and nzogbia - I suspect it may be lamberts choice to go down the route of hungry players rather than experience.

[Drummond]

What the hell are you expecting?

We're better off than last season, albeit in a very poor run of form. It's bound to happen with a young squad, with injuries. To call for him to get sacked and be replaced with a person who hasn't managed for the best part of a decade is insane.

[Monty]

Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.

Me calling him Mr Mumbles is not anything to do with his upbringing, accent or a nasty dig on his person. But every time he comes in after a pathetic performance and mumbles to the interviewer something about "all credit to the lads, they never stopped going" or "we go again" it get right on my tits. There's no passion, no anger, not even bitter acknowledgement that we just got shafted by a much weaker team. It's communication skills like this that make me think he's the reason why were such a soft touch at home. He can talk loud and clearly whenever we win or get a good result but when we lose home games on the bounce he puts on this dejected "feel sorry for me and the team" voice and it pisses me off. He should be leading the dressing room by explicitly telling the interviewer performances like the one today are not good enough - rather than heaping praises on them under his breath.

With all due respect, what you're recommending is what Paolo di Canio did, whereas what Lambert is doing is what Mourinho did at Chelsea, so perhaps what he's saying in interviews isn't the worst part of his performance in the job.

[Irish villain]

one point better off and in fairness we played decent teams on our bad run last year like Chelsea and Spurs. This year Fulham, Stoke, and Palace have turned us over and we rolled over for a United team that are beatable.

[Dante Lavelli]

Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.

Me calling him Mr Mumbles is not anything to do with his upbringing, accent or a nasty dig on his person. But every time he comes in after a pathetic performance and mumbles to the interviewer something about "all credit to the lads, they never stopped going" or "we go again" it get right on my tits. There's no passion, no anger, not even bitter acknowledgement that we just got shafted by a much weaker team. It's communication skills like this that make me think he's the reason why were such a soft touch at home. He can talk loud and clearly whenever we win or get a good result but when we lose home games on the bounce he puts on this dejected "feel sorry for me and the team" voice and it pisses me off. He should be leading the dressing room by explicitly telling the interviewer performances like the one today are not good enough - rather than heaping praises on them under his breath.

You can be pretty certain that the media lambert and the one behind closed doors are pretty different.  It'd be harsh to judge him for not wanting to publicly flog the players when they're young and probably have brittle confidence.

[Jimbo]

Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.

It does my swede in too.

I know people who come from Glasgow who don't mumble. I come from a shit hole in Birmingham and I don't mumble. I think he's calling him Mr Mumbles because he mumbles, not because he's judging his social background. I also think communication skills and ability to project himself are relevant to Lambert's job.

Glasgow's huge. I have friends who come from Italy who aren't mafiosi, but there are mafiosi in Italy. And people from different parts of different towns speak differently - I have quite a few friends from Coatbridge, for example, who speak in a manner you would no doubt call mumbling. It's unfair, snobbish, personally insulting and not as relevant as you think - I mean, it's not like he's Juande Ramos, floundering around with or without a translator.

I don't think anyone from Birmingham is going to take the piss out of anyone's accent or way of speaking. The fact is communicaction is crucial to Lambert's job, and he's sometimes unintelligible. That's no judgment on his background or upbringing, he just fails to get his message across clearly and in a way that inspires. Quite how some of the overseas players understand him, I've no idea. Although it appears one word that frequently gets through rhymes with 'blunt'.

[mike]

Now, I know we're all entitled to our views and all that, and I'm certainly not a mod laying down the law because obviously there should be no such law, but why do some have to be so personally insulting to the bloke? N'Zimidy, why do you call him 'Mr. Mumbles' when he grew up in rougher part of the world than you could believe where they spoke a certain way, which is why he talks like he does? You can criticise him all you like and everything is fair game, but such personal vitriol is, to my mind, hateful, mean-spirited and totally the opposite of what I believe our club stands for. It's only football and he's doing his best, for God's sake, and even if that best isn't good enough that's no reason to hate on him so much. It was out of order for McLeish and it's out of order now.

It does my swede in too.

I know people who come from Glasgow who don't mumble. I come from a shit hole in Birmingham and I don't mumble. I think he's calling him Mr Mumbles because he mumbles, not because he's judging his social background. I also think communication skills and ability to project himself are relevant to Lambert's job.

Glasgow's huge. I have friends who come from Italy who aren't mafiosi, but there are mafiosi in Italy. And people from different parts of different towns speak differently - I have quite a few friends from Coatbridge, for example, who speak in a manner you would no doubt call mumbling. It's unfair, snobbish, personally insulting and not as relevant as you think - I mean, it's not like he's Juande Ramos, floundering around with or without a translator.

Well, the person I'm thinking of comes from a truly shitty part of Glasgow and I do think it matters how Lambert projects himself. But I don't disagree that in the grand scheme of things it's not the most important issue. Certainly not a sacking matter.

I'm in what seems to be quite a big camp. I don't think he's up to the job but I'm not convinced that sacking him right now would be constructive.

[PeterWithesShin]

They all know what he means when he says put that blunt out?

[Monty]

I don't think anyone from Birmingham is going to take the piss out of anyone's accent or way of speaking. The fact is communicaction is crucial to Lambert's job, and he's sometimes unintelligible. That's no judgment on his background or upbringing, he just fails to get his message across clearly and in a way that inspires. Quite how some of the overseas players understand him, I've no idea. Although it appears one word that frequently gets through rhymes with 'blunt'.

Well that last one is to do with growing up in Scotland, that word's like breathing in round 'ere. However, I take issue with what you say on a couple of points: firstly, everyone makes fun of the way everyone talks from anywhere else; secondly, Lambert speaks English, and I'm sure his English underlings understand him, and also our best spells are almost always after half-time when he's had a few minutes with them, indicating a certain amount of managerial motivation. There are plenty of other things wrong with the way he's doing his job - this personal jibing is cheap and distracting from the more serious issues.

[eastie]

one point better off and in fairness we played decent teams on our bad run last year like Chelsea and Spurs. This year Fulham, Stoke, and Palace have turned us over and we rolled over for a United team that are beatable.

At this stage last season we were 9 points off bottom and 3 off the relegation zone.
We are currently 6 points off bottom place and 3 off the relegation zone and playing dreadfully.

[remy]

I don't believe that PL has the nous to take the club forward or keep us up based on the players he has signed and the way he has set them up to play.

For the 4th successive season we are struggling and breaking records of the wrong kind.

And yet we still attract 37,000 at home. The supporters are doing their bit for the club, why aren't the 'custodians' ?

We need change. Sacking Lambert in the short term will prevent us from going down. The new man will bring new ideas, a new way of playing and new players.

[Chris Harte]

What the hell are you expecting?

We're better off than last season, albeit in a very poor run of form. It's bound to happen with a young squad, with injuries. To call for him to get sacked and be replaced with a person who hasn't managed for the best part of a decade is insane.

This.

If Lambert goes who's going to take it on? Especially with the wage restrictions the owner has placed on things.

[OzVilla]

As Paulie says, I was a fan of Lambert and i'm trying to think of a case for him but it's tough.

This whole squad is so short of quality it's untrue.  Nathan Baker just epitomises us imo.  He's young, he tries his heart out but he's such a liability for us and shows no signs of any improvement.  Even the basics of position, reading of the game, etc. He's the most extreme case but it's a pattern repeated across the squad in almost every position.

I still believe though that our biggest issue is with the overall direction and ownership of the Club. We will end up getting relegated eventually, we can all see that and it's been going on for 3 or 4 years now.  Our number is bound to come up sooner or later.

So the best and only defence I can give of Lambert tonight is unless Lerner decides to end the austerity it's almost academic whether Lambert stays or goes.  Lambert is a symptom, Lerner is the cause. Same for GH, TSM and now PL.