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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eastie on September 11, 2013, 12:07:48 PM
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After trappatoni's sacking the bookies have martin o Neill as 5/6 favourite for the job .
Would he take it having played for Northern Ireland and if so how do people think he would do in international football?
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As an Ireland fan I'd welcome this.
Our squad is pretty poor these days, so a manager who can motivate and get more out of poor players, which is an MON trait, is probably what we need right now.
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Well, dithering in the transfer market won't be a problem, wages won't be a problem, playing the same 11 and sticking with it won't be a problem so he can concentrate on tactics which might be a problem.
I think it's a job that would suit him down to the ground. He would be immediately accepted. It's also the only decent fairly high profile job that he'd be offered now.
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I'm very mixed on this. I have been arguing that he is essentially a Trappatoni who can motivate players better.
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After trappatoni's sacking
Da Beeb say that he quit
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I think he'd do a good job. Very much doubt it will happen. Neil Lennon playing and managing at Celtic and all the shit he's had would be a preview of what could happen.
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I think he'd do a good job. Very much doubt it will happen. Neil Lennon playing and managing at Celtic and all the shit he's had would be a preview of what could happen.
Why would that be a problem? MON is well liked in Ireland.
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I think he'd do a good job. Very much doubt it will happen. Neil Lennon playing and managing at Celtic and all the shit he's had would be a preview of what could happen.
What do you mean?!
MON would be incredibly popular.
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After trappatoni's sacking
Da Beeb say that he quit
Sacked according to sky , the fai told him after the game they were going to terminate his deal and he accepted the decision and agreed compensation within hours.
He certainly showed no intention of quitting at his press conference after last nights game - he is too old now i think and well in his 70s.
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I think he'd do a good job. Very much doubt it will happen. Neil Lennon playing and managing at Celtic and all the shit he's had would be a preview of what could happen.
What do you mean?!
MON would be incredibly popular.
It would go well with republic fans i would imagine , not sure what the northern Irish fans would think of their former captain managing the republic though - i daresay he wouldn't worry too much about that anyway.
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I think he'd do a good job. Very much doubt it will happen. Neil Lennon playing and managing at Celtic and all the shit he's had would be a preview of what could happen.
What do you mean?!
MON would be incredibly popular.
It would go well with republic fans i would imagine , not sure what the northern Irish fans would think of their former captain managing the republic though - i daresay he wouldn't worry too much about that anyway.
That's pretty much my thinking eastie. It would be a concern if I was him, and was pointing to Lennon as a ,slightly extreme, example.
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Other Football?
I can on here to read stuff on the Villa. Neither Ireland or MON has nothing to do with Villa (a few years ago - yes).....
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would he leave the liverpool job for it though?
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Paddy Power go MON 8/11, DOL 20/1 and TSM 33/1. I wonder if they are offering a special on 'any ex Villa manager'? Chris Hughton and Harry Redknapp are a couple of interesting names on there. I'm not sure whether or not they would fancy quitting their current jobs for a crack at it. I'm guessing the possibility of Roy Keane will stir up a bit of debate.
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Other Football?
I can on here to read stuff on the Villa. Neither Ireland or MON has nothing to do with Villa (a few years ago - yes).....
Neither does reo-Coker or Juan Pablo angel anymore , but there have been many threads on mon in this section , a lot of people don't often visit other football.
Have Ireland still got the players to qualify anymore for the big tournaments , the days of Keane, McGrath , hughton, townsend, etc seem to be long gone and they look a much weaker squad nowadays.
That said Mon is a good motivator and would get the best from what he has at his disposal .
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Paddy Power go MON 8/11, DOL 20/1 and TSM 33/1. I wonder if they are offering a special on 'any ex Villa manager'? Chris Hughton and Harry Redknapp are a couple of interesting names on there. I'm not sure whether or not they would fancy quitting their current jobs for a crack at it. I'm guessing the possibility of Roy Keane will stir up a bit of debate.
I genuinely think you've got more chance of getting the job yourself!
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I'd like to see him replace Bagpuss.
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Have Ireland still got the players to qualify anymore for the big tournaments , the days of Keane, McGrath , hughton, townsend, etc seem to be long gone and they look a much weaker squad nowadays.
In my opinion, no they haven't. Once Keane retires, I think we'll really struggle with what's left.
Which is why MON is such a good choice as he is able to get a lot out of poor players.
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I expect the clamour from republic fans would be strongly in favour of martin o Neill - would imagine the job will be his if he wants it , I can't see him getting a decent premier job again so this might be his way to erase the sunderland debacle.
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Ii think he would relish the chance.
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I think he'd do well to be honest. Things didn't pan out too well at Sunderland, and you'd say that, Norwich aside, it was his first real managerial failure. That said, in early days O Neill always tends to have a rough patch. When he started with us we went unbeaten, then we went 2-3 months without a win, before finishing strongly. At Sunderland in the end he probably would have turned it around and they'd be a fairly average mid-table side. Now they have the nutjob PDC in charge who could be brilliant, or could be fucking woeful. You just don't know. Personally I think one of them and Newcastle, whoever is the more erratic, will go down.
For Ireland hes stuck with what's at his disposal. He can do what his forte has been, and that is man manage and get that extra 10% out of mediocre players. He'll play to their strengths, which is the physical players and 2-3 players who have a turn of pace. Its also not a day to day, full on job like in the Prem. One thing that struck me with Sunderland, is that O Neill didn't seem to put his all in. Not like when he first joined us. His mind seemed elsewhere. He didn't have that drive and fight he had when he first came to us. I've never seen him quite as subdued and defeatist.
The side definitely needs that instant energy you get from O Neill. He generally starts well.
To be perfectly honest with O Neill helming the Irish side, they wouldn't be all that far off the England side. But that pretty much sums up the state of the England team at the moment.
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I reckon it'll be Brian Mcdermott who gets it next.
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Our current manger is 66/1 for the job. The same odds as Houllier.
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Not overly keen on the idea. Having to cheer on a team led by a man who shat from a height on my club would take a bit of getting used to.
Also, I'm not sure how much different his approach would be to Trappattoni's. Be reasonably hard to score against (though ultimately susceptible when a top team is on-form), have a big man up-front to hoof it to when necesary (Jonathan Walters, a poor man's Carew. Little Shane Long, who has an incredible leap on him, has shamefully enough, been reduced to this role recently) and erratic wingers (McLean, McGeadie) - it's all set-up for more of the same.
If 'arry was out of work I'd go for him, ditto Chris Hughton.
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I saw one report that mon might not take the job because of John robertsons heart attack but robbo didnt go to sunderland with him and he took that job .
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Also, I'm not sure how much different his approach would be to Trappattoni's. Be reasonably hard to score against (though ultimately susceptible when a top team is on-form), have a big man up-front to hoof it to when necesary (Jonathan Walters, a poor man's Carew. Little Shane Long, who has an incredible leap on him, has shamefully enough, been reduced to this role recently) and erratic wingers (McLean, McGeadie) - it's all set-up for more of the same.
For me Trappattoni is overly defensive, not much unlike TSM.
MON, for all his faults, wanted his teams to attack. This was counter attacking when away and running out of ideas against decent sides at home, but the intent was always there.
It would be similar in so far as he would be limited to the same players, but style wise it would be more exciting than Trapp's Ireland, IMO.
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I cant believe the press still love him so much he is a busted flush.
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Also, I'm not sure how much different his approach would be to Trappattoni's. Be reasonably hard to score against (though ultimately susceptible when a top team is on-form), have a big man up-front to hoof it to when necesary (Jonathan Walters, a poor man's Carew. Little Shane Long, who has an incredible leap on him, has shamefully enough, been reduced to this role recently) and erratic wingers (McLean, McGeadie) - it's all set-up for more of the same.
For me Trappattoni is overly defensive, not much unlike TSM.
MON, for all his faults, wanted his teams to attack. This was counter attacking when away and running out of ideas against decent sides at home, but the intent was always there.
It would be similar in so far as he would be limited to the same players, but style wise it would be more exciting than Trapp's Ireland, IMO.
Didnt mon get McLean flying after giving him his chance , he would do ok but as concrete says without the top players you can only get so far .
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I saw one report that mon might not take the job because of John robertsons heart attack but robbo didnt go to sunderland with him and he took that job .
It's also been said that one of the reasons it went so wrong so quickly for MON at Sunderland was because Roberston wasn't with him.
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Well, dithering in the transfer market won't be a problem, wages won't be a problem, playing the same 11 and sticking with it won't be a problem so he can concentrate on tactics which might be a problem.
I think it's a job that would suit him down to the ground. He would be immediately accepted. It's also the only decent fairly high profile job that he'd be offered now.
Best laugh of the day
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I bet Robbie Keane can't wait to play at RB.
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Oh sweet jesus please don't let this happen.
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I think this is only job in management MON can get which would suit him. No money, no wages, put limited to Irish players. Have Ireland got a big man upfront these days.
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I would take O'Neill's brand of arcane football over Roy Hodgson's turgid pish every day of the week.
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Can we trick him into "signing" Shay Given?
If this works, can we also try and alter Huttons parentage and repeat above
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I have always thought that MON might be at his best in international football.
For a mid ranking, down at heel side he could be the difference between qualifying for a tournament and not.
Ireland could do worse.
So could I. I could shite on the lawn of the bottling, four eyed, fuckwit.
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For me, tactical nous is as important, if not more so, than man management capabilities. I'd wager that even supporters of O'Neill would find it difficult to argue that he is anything other than limited in that department.
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I hope he gets the job, just so he can get found out again.
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he's definitely good enough for that job,
low expectation, no transfer policy, pretty much all the players playing in a British type way which he likes,
in fact as others have said this would be the best option for him, he can motivate, he can also demotivate, but I reckon he would do as good if not a lot better than most of the other candidates for the job
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Disagree on low expectations tbh. A major issue that people had with Trap was that the football at home was awful to watch, while the away form was actually pretty impressive. Another was him playing the same team come what may. Ring any bells?
Replacing trap with mon would smack of change for change's sake, rather than any meaningful action to improve things. That said, that's why i'm so nervous that those twats in the FAI will actually approach him.
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Disagree on low expectations tbh. A major issue that people had with Trap was that the football at home was awful to watch, while the away form was actually pretty impressive. Another was him playing the same team come what may. Ring any bells?
Replacing trap with mon would smack of change for change's sake, rather than any meaningful action to improve things. That said, that's why i'm so nervous that those twats in the FAI will actually approach him.
That's the very point I have been making to my friends. A lot of non-Villa Irish fans don't get why we don't rate him. We will struggle to break teams down at home. And, as you and I know, Irish fans do expect a lot and can be impatient if we struggle at home.
As for the Man with a stick above, have people like Ger and myself not endured enough MON already?
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He'd only pick squads of 12...
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If mon took the job and made a success of it he would be worshipped over there - he will not get the opportunity in the premiership to manage a top club and this could be the perfect fit for him.
The fact there are only a few games a season might also be an attraction to him - of the candidates named i think he would be the best fit .
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He's the bookies favourite. The contemptible tw*t.
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If mon took the job and made a success of it he would be worshipped over there - he will not get the opportunity in the premiership to manage a top club and this could be the perfect fit for him.
The fact there are only a few games a season might also be an attraction to him - of the candidates named i think he would be the best fit .
That's one monumental if. I see precious little that would suggest he'd be a success.
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What qualifies as a success though? Never in a million years will he achieve what Jack Charlton did, the pool of players is nowhere near good enough.
He won't take the job anyway as he knows he'll be on a hiding to nothing, the spineless little tit. Besides, he's still waiting for Moyes to get the boot so he can finally get the job that he was destined for.
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Well the good news is he cant waste millions on transfer money when managing a national team.
Other good news is he is apparently a good man manager.
Bad news for Ireland is if they didnt like old fashioned tactics and a stubborn refusal to change players as they had under Trapp, well, that aint gonna change :)
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What qualifies as a success though? Never in a million years will he achieve what Jack Charlton did, the pool of players is nowhere near good enough.
He won't take the job anyway as he knows he'll be on a hiding to nothing, the spineless little tit. Besides, he's still waiting for Moyes to get the boot so he can finally get the job that he was destined for.
Unless my synapses are misfiring again, in the last paragraph the second sentence appears directly to contradict the first.
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Listening to the sports bulletin on Today FM (Dublin) going in to work this evening, and the presenter was effectively rooting for O Neill. He mentioned that while he did not do well at Sunderland, it can be seen now that he did a decent job at Villa as look at where they are now. This is a screaming example of the undeserved reputation of Martin O Neill. If he takes the job, he will be found out for once and for all. mind you, it'll probably cost the FAI/Denis O Brien strategic partnership about EUR4m before he is found out.
They also stated that when he was in the running for the England job, he lost out to McClaren because he wasn't prepared to get involved with the grassroots. This should preclude him from getting the Ireland gig, but going on the FAI's previous, it probably won't. Please see 'World-class manager' and the Steve Staunton appointment as an example.
Also, someone asked if we had a big lad up front, and the answer is Conor Sammon.
Anyway, Trap is gone; we need a manager and love him, or loath him, O Neill is about the best of a bad lot available to us.
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I found it soul-destroying that Shane Long was playing the role of big lad up-front against Sweden the other night. For a little guy he is superb at winning headers but that we were pinning our attacking hopes on that one "strategy" was lamentable.
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I found it soul-destroying that Shane Long was playing the role of big lad up-front against Sweden the other night. For a little guy he is superb at winning headers but that we were pinning our attacking hopes on that one "strategy" was lamentable.
It reminded me of times when Taylor, or O Leary in his later days would try using JPA as a target man, despite the fact he was only 5,11ish and not very strong. That was also why he lost his place under Taylor, and O Leary started to run out of patience with him too. He just happened to be a very good header of the ball.
I would guess O Neill would be more likely to find the closest thing he can to the next Niall Quinn and then play one of his smaller strikers alongside.
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I found it soul-destroying that Shane Long was playing the role of big lad up-front against Sweden the other night. For a little guy he is superb at winning headers but that we were pinning our attacking hopes on that one "strategy" was lamentable.
It reminded me of times when Taylor, or O Leary in his later days would try using JPA as a target man, despite the fact he was only 5,11ish and not very strong. That was also why he lost his place under Taylor, and O Leary started to run out of patience with him too. He just happened to be a very good header of the ball.
I would guess O Neill would be more likely to find the closest thing he can to the next Niall Quinn and then play one of his smaller strikers alongside.
He is probably already looking for a loophole that would allow him to select Heskey.
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I found it soul-destroying that Shane Long was playing the role of big lad up-front against Sweden the other night. For a little guy he is superb at winning headers but that we were pinning our attacking hopes on that one "strategy" was lamentable.
It reminded me of times when Taylor, or O Leary in his later days would try using JPA as a target man, despite the fact he was only 5,11ish and not very strong. That was also why he lost his place under Taylor, and O Leary started to run out of patience with him too. He just happened to be a very good header of the ball.
I would guess O Neill would be more likely to find the closest thing he can to the next Niall Quinn and then play one of his smaller strikers alongside.
He is probably already looking for a loophole that would allow him to select Heskey.
Beat me to it :)
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How the f*ck did we manage to get 4 pages on this in less than 24 hours? It appears mention of his name on here = light the blue touch paper!
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And it should be in "other football".
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How the f*ck did we manage to get 4 pages on this in less than 24 hours? It appears mention of his name on here = light the blue touch paper!
Second only to Bono. And one place above Jesus, which I'm sure would please him immensely.
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I found it soul-destroying that Shane Long was playing the role of big lad up-front against Sweden the other night. For a little guy he is superb at winning headers but that we were pinning our attacking hopes on that one "strategy" was lamentable.
It reminded me of times when Taylor, or O Leary in his later days would try using JPA as a target man, despite the fact he was only 5,11ish and not very strong. That was also why he lost his place under Taylor, and O Leary started to run out of patience with him too. He just happened to be a very good header of the ball.
I would guess O Neill would be more likely to find the closest thing he can to the next Niall Quinn and then play one of his smaller strikers alongside.
He is probably already looking for a loophole that would allow him to select Heskey.
He could possibly get by on the basis that no one remembers Heskey playing for England. Unless the ask the German side circa 2001.
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What qualifies as a success though? Never in a million years will he achieve what Jack Charlton did, the pool of players is nowhere near good enough.
He won't take the job anyway as he knows he'll be on a hiding to nothing, the spineless little tit. Besides, he's still waiting for Moyes to get the boot so he can finally get the job that he was destined for.
It'll be tough, and it depends on who they are drawn with. But how many times over the last few years have Ireland been close but poor results against poor opposition have let them down.
We'll see. It's kind of a nothing to lose job in some ways. If you qualify for a tournament you're a hero. If you don't, you can blame the lack of quality and then get out of the job with reputation no better/worse than it was before (as long as you don't finish bottom or something).
Ireland are unfortunate in some ways because of their seeding. I mean if for example England were placed in a group with Germany, Austria and Sweden, we'd struggle to qualify. We'd certainly not finish top. We're actually quite fortunate to have the ranking we do as well. We generally have easy groups.
Trap started off okay, in that they were tough to beat, but hes run out of steam, ideas, and players. Will MON do much better? In as much as that initial burst you get when O Neill comes in. The problem is, can he carry that spark from now until next winter when the next round of tournament qualifiers start?
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There's whisperings of Marcelo Bielsa being interested in the job. Can't see it happening myself but would be exactly the sort of appointment I'd like us to try out
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The FAI will approach Martin O’Neill in the next 48 hours to become manager of the Republic of Ireland and the former Celtic and Sunderland boss is willing to discuss terms to replace Giovanni Trapattoni whose five-year reign was ended by 'mutual consent' on Tuesday.
The management committee of the FAI will convene next week to rubber-stamp the appointment of the 61-year-old Derry man who is their only choice to lead Ireland’s Euro 2016 campaign.
With businessman Denis O’Brien on board for at least another two years to fund the wages of another high profile manager, the FAI are poised to make their move for the number one candidate.
VIDEO Scroll down to watch Giovanni Trapattoni axed as Ireland manager
Talks: Martin O'Neill is set to discuss terms with the FAI to become the next Republic of Ireland manager
Their hope is that O’Neill, who has been out of work since he was sacked by Sunderland in March, will be in place to pick the side to face Germany in Cologne before the final World Cup 2014 qualifier at home to Kazakhstan.
Although the new manager will be without first choice centre-backs John O’Shea and Richard Dunne for the German game, they are optimistic he will take the job to go some way to filling the Aviva Stadium for the last competitive fixture until the Euro campaign starts next September.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2418077/Martin-ONeill-FAIs-choice-replace-Giovanni-Trapattoni-Republic-Ireland-manager.html#ixzz2efpBkSvh
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Ireland are unfortunate in some ways because of their seeding. I mean if for example England were placed in a group with Germany, Austria and Sweden, we'd struggle to qualify. We'd certainly not finish top. We're actually quite fortunate to have the ranking we do as well. We generally have easy groups.
Trap started off okay, in that they were tough to beat, but hes run out of steam, ideas, and players. Will MON do much better? In as much as that initial burst you get when O Neill comes in. The problem is, can he carry that spark from now until next winter when the next round of tournament qualifiers start?
I don't understand the seeding. In some cases it's nuts - Spain and France are in the same group yet another is a sea of mediocrity - Switzerland, Norway, Slovenia and Iceland. I don't even know who the top two seeds are meant to be there. Switzerland drew all their games at the 2006 World Cup 0-0, whoopty-fucking-do.
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Look at Group G: Bosnia, Greece, Slovakia, Lithuania, Latvia, Liechtenstein.
Either Bosnia or Greece (possibly both) could be going to the World Cup, without having to get past one of the "big teams".
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Yeah, I think that one is slightly more understandable. Bosnia are a fine side and I imagine Greece's status is still propped-up by the jump in co-efficient score (that's how all this works, right) after winning Euro 2004.
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Ireland are unfortunate in some ways because of their seeding. I mean if for example England were placed in a group with Germany, Austria and Sweden, we'd struggle to qualify. We'd certainly not finish top. We're actually quite fortunate to have the ranking we do as well. We generally have easy groups.
Trap started off okay, in that they were tough to beat, but hes run out of steam, ideas, and players. Will MON do much better? In as much as that initial burst you get when O Neill comes in. The problem is, can he carry that spark from now until next winter when the next round of tournament qualifiers start?
I don't understand the seeding. In some cases it's nuts - Spain and France are in the same group yet another is a sea of mediocrity - Switzerland, Norway, Slovenia and Iceland. I don't even know who the top two seeds are meant to be there. Switzerland drew all their games at the 2006 World Cup 0-0, whoopty-fucking-do.
It's a convoluted calculation based on past performance, column inches and potential TV audience.
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How the f*ck did we manage to get 4 pages on this in less than 24 hours? It appears mention of his name on here = light the blue touch paper!
Inevitable, really:
Christian Benteke nominated on the 'insignificant Villa players' thread.
An absence of MON
Peace love harmony and mutual understanding breaks out in 'Off Topic'.
(OP on the 'Unlikely things to read on H&V next season' thread)
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Ireland are unfortunate in some ways because of their seeding. I mean if for example England were placed in a group with Germany, Austria and Sweden, we'd struggle to qualify. We'd certainly not finish top. We're actually quite fortunate to have the ranking we do as well. We generally have easy groups.
Trap started off okay, in that they were tough to beat, but hes run out of steam, ideas, and players. Will MON do much better? In as much as that initial burst you get when O Neill comes in. The problem is, can he carry that spark from now until next winter when the next round of tournament qualifiers start?
I don't understand the seeding. In some cases it's nuts - Spain and France are in the same group yet another is a sea of mediocrity - Switzerland, Norway, Slovenia and Iceland. I don't even know who the top two seeds are meant to be there. Switzerland drew all their games at the 2006 World Cup 0-0, whoopty-fucking-do.
I wonder if TSM has spent any of his time out of the game studying Swiss coaching methods.
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Seeding is organised cheating.
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Part time job - it will suit him down to the ground.
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Disagree on low expectations tbh. A major issue that people had with Trap was that the football at home was awful to watch, while the away form was actually pretty impressive. Another was him playing the same team come what may. Ring any bells?
Replacing trap with mon would smack of change for change's sake, rather than any meaningful action to improve things. That said, that's why i'm so nervous that those twats in the FAI will actually approach him.
of course they will approach MON, that odious w*nker John Delaney lives for populist stunts (when not buying cans for fans) and MON would have a good reputation in Ireland still. The FAI depending on the largesse of another truly odious character Denis O'Brien are more than happy to fund a "big name" manager while the domestic league is in perennial turmoil, the organisation itself is up shit creek in debt and of course hardly a player of note coming through. Delaney, O'Brien and MON - peas in a pod for sure.
The next Euro's lamentably has 24 teams so our chances of qualifying are decent. MON is finished as a club manager and this is the kind of part time gig that suits him. May even catapult him back into the frame of a decent club job if he achieves the miracle of qualifying for the next euros.
Its not an easy job by any means but I think people overestimate a lot of the teams that end up in the playoffs. The last two campaigns we were up against the likes of Armenia, Slovakia, Sweden and Austria. All eminently beatable.
MON is arguably a better manager than McCarthy but not by much. The game has passed them both by. But McCarthy would care more about the future of Irish football than MON and is likely to get involved in the underage setup if asked. The forelock tugging by the Irish media towards the great MON is going to be vomit inducing but the job is certainly his if he wants it.
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I wondered about the seedings too and there is a wikipedia page about it.
They used the Fifa July world rankings in 2011(according to this page) which meant teams like Croatia Norway and Greece were in pot 1
Switzerland were actually in pot 3 - Slovenia were in pot 2
Also Montenegro were not only in pot 2 but were ranked second behind France.
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@MatKendrick: Paul Lambert on Martin O'Neill being linked with the Republic of Ireland manager's job - "He could do it standing on his head."
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Sounds like Lambert has been dropped on his head.
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Lambert and MON go back a long way so it's obvious that they're going to say positive things about each other.
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Pat murphy is one of mons big journalist mates , his take is this -
@patmurphybbc: Think MON doesn't want Sunderland to be possibly his last club experience,feel he's as hungry as ever.Certain he'll be int manager one day
@patmurphybbc: FAI bound to contact O'Neill 'ere long.No immediate rush,he's available.Believe he has dilemma if asked.Still unfinished business at 1/3
@patmurphybbc: 2/3 level after Sunderland experience & IMO would miss day-to-day management if opts for condensed,intermittent international version 2/3
@patmurphybbc: 3/3 Would he get back into club management after a few yrs with Ireland? At 61,believe fire still burns & could do international job later
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Interesting to hear Niall Quinn give a bit of radio silence before dodging the question when asked on Ireland's Today FM what he thought of MON, Roy Keane and Dolly O'Dreary as candidates. A pity we didn't get his personal opinion on the three men.
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And it should be in "other football".
Where it would arguably have about 15 posts instead and people would be talking the same old thing in here like swimming round a goldfish bowl.
Anyhow. MON will see this as his last chance saloon at making an impact and salvaging his reputation. I hope he takes it, and I hope he does well. With the little Irish blood left in me, I always like them to do well.
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Ssn understands martin O Neill is the man the Irish FA want and that O Neill is very interested in the job - they say he could be unveiled next week .
Martin O'Neill could be handed the opportunity to become the new Republic of Ireland manager within days.
It is understood the 61-year-old has been earmarked as the Football Association of Ireland's number one target and that a formal approach is imminent.
The news is hardly unexpected with sources close to the former Sunderland boss having indicated his willingness to talk to the FAI.
Indeed, bookmakers had installed O'Neill as an overwhelming favourite for the post even before Giovanni Trapattoni's exit on Wednesday.
FAI chief executive John Delaney warned the following day that favouritism would not necessarily represent a pointer to his board's decision.
However, O'Neill's name featured prominently in a list of potential candidates acknowledged by Delaney the previous day, and it appears that he could be ready to make his move in the hope of securing a deal as early as next week.
Whether or not the new man, whoever it may be, will take up his post in time for next month's penultimate World Cup qualifier in Germany remains to be seen.
Ireland travel to Cologne on October 11, a day short of a year since they were trounced 6-1 by the same opposition at the Aviva Stadium, a result - or more accurately, a performance - which proved to be the beginning of the end for Trapattoni.
They will bring down the curtain on a disappointing campaign at home to Kazakhstan four days later, and do not have another scheduled fixture until Serbia head for Dublin for a friendly in March next year.
Should O'Neill be offered and accept the job, the trip to Germany could prove a daunting baptism.
He has been out of football since losing his job at the Stadium of Light at the end of March with the club fighting for Barclays Premier League survival.
He had been drafted in by the Black Cats in December 2011 in a move craved for so long by many supporters, and his initial impact was little short of spectacular.
However, having dragged Sunderland clear of the basement battle in which they were engaged on his arrival, he struggled to take them to the next level despite being allowed to invest around £22million in Scotland striker Steven Fletcher and England winger Adam Johnson during his only summer transfer window.
By the time he was shown the door after a dour 1-1 home draw with 10-man Norwich, O'Neill's legendary enthusiasm appeared to have deserted him.
However, the Ulsterman is understood to be keen to return to the game, and the challenge of international football is one which appeals.
It was perhaps significant that he was unable, despite several attempts, to persuade long-time ally John Robertson to join him on Wearside, and it would be no surprise if he wanted to Scot to do just that in Ireland.
However, Robertson is currently recovering after suffering a suspected heat attack last month and that could preclude his involvement.
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MON couldn't manage a hard on in Sheik Yerbouti's harem tent
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apologies long week. I obviously was struggling with hareen tent. anyway the chap's moment has gone imo
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I have a lot more good things to say about MON than bad but he did seem to be past his best at Sunderland. If he is going to have one more shot at management then International football might be his best bet.
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I have a lot more good things to say about MON than bad but he did seem to be past his best at Sunderland. If he is going to have one more shot at management then International football might be his best bet.
I think the words you were straining for were 'busted' and 'flush'..
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With international duty I think John Robertson will likely to accept this rather than club football. As long he recover from his heart attack.
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His last Hurrah, I think his motivation and ability to drill teams to defend for long periods of time will suit him and a talentless Ireland team well.
He will be able to extend his policy of always fielding mainly British Players. I hope he fails again.
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He will be able to extend his policy of always fielding mainly British Players. I hope he fails again.
I would've thought the fact that he'll be managing the Irish national team would prohibit him using British players?
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Over 80 posts, and not even in "Other Football". The continuing obsession with O'Neill is embarrassing!
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Over 80 posts, and not even in "Other Football". The continuing obsession with O'Neill is embarrassing!
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How so?
He is a major figure in our recent history and the division in opinion about him provokes some excellent arguments.
You could always avoid being annoyed by our obsession with him by avoiding any thread with his name in the title of course.
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Over 80 posts, and not even in "Other Football". The continuing obsession with O'Neill is embarrassing!
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How so?
He is a major figure in our recent history and the division in opinion about him provokes some excellent arguments.
You could always avoid being annoyed by our obsession with him by avoiding any thread with his name in the title of course.
I know and I'm sorry for being all sour and grumpy. It's just that it's been a while now and his players and his way of doing things have all gone. I guess I just hoped that all the excellent arguments would have been settled by now or at least relegated from HD... Big Ron's Big Brother stint isn't even on topic!
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Over 80 posts, and not even in "Other Football". The continuing obsession with O'Neill is embarrassing!
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How so?
He is a major figure in our recent history and the division in opinion about him provokes some excellent arguments.
You could always avoid being annoyed by our obsession with him by avoiding any thread with his name in the title of course.
Totally agree, there have been some excellent threads about him and other football doesn't get anywhere near as many posters as heroes discussion .
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Couldn't give a shit about MON or Ireland.
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Couldn't give a shit about MON or Ireland.
If i find a thread i have no interest in i tend just to avoid reading it .
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Over 80 posts, and not even in "Other Football". The continuing obsession with O'Neill is embarrassing!
I agree we are obsessed with him,
but then he has had a massive effect on the club over the last 6 years, and we are still feeling the fallout
so its understandable I think
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Has he resigned yet??
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I have a lot more good things to say about MON than bad but he did seem to be past his best at Sunderland. If he is going to have one more shot at management then International football might be his best bet.
I think the words you were straining for were 'busted' and 'flush'..
Believe it or not, those were the exact words in my head when I posted that but I chose not to use them. But yes, that sums up what he appeared to be at Sunderland.
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According to Ssn bookies in Ireland have suspended betting on mon being named as republic manager - seems he is about to be named.
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See 'New Job for Judas?' in Other Football.
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The continuing obsession with O'Neill is embarrassing!
Indeed. Get over him, James, he's gone. You know it makes sense.
Speaking of MON lovers, I've just been on an Irish football forum and the latest member to sign up is somebody called 'Villadag'. It couldn't be, could it?
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It is hardly a symptom of being unable to "get over" MON, though, is it?
He's about to get a job managing in international football. I am sure we'd have a thread about it for other former managers. I am sure there will be one when McLeish washes up somewhere rubbish with his gloomy football, too.
Why on earth would anyone find that embarassing?
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Joining the list of villa managers who have managed at international level -
Mercer, Docherty, Taylor, venglos, Mcleish ,houllier and o Neill if confirmed - has any other club had so many managers who have managed at international level?
Surely 7 must be a record.
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The continuing obsession with O'Neill is embarrassing!
Indeed. Get over him, James, he's gone. You know it makes sense.
Speaking of MON lovers, I've just been on an Irish football forum and the latest member to sign up is somebody called 'Villadag'. It couldn't be, could it?
D'ya like dags?
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The continuing obsession with O'Neill is embarrassing!
Indeed. Get over him, James, he's gone. You know it makes sense.
Speaking of MON lovers, I've just been on an Irish football forum and the latest member to sign up is somebody called 'Villadag'. It couldn't be, could it?
D'ya like dags?
Was he spouting about statistics, and graphs from the mon era - if so he's the man :)
What ever happened to the old dawg anyway ?
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It is hardly a symptom of being unable to "get over" MON, though, is it?
A very small percentage of our fans never got over him leaving and still believe MON was too good for us. Some stayed, others went off to join the Mackems and are probably right now on iTunes buying up albums by The Dubliners. ;)
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The continuing obsession with O'Neill is embarrassing!
Indeed. Get over him, James, he's gone. You know it makes sense.
Speaking of MON lovers, I've just been on an Irish football forum and the latest member to sign up is somebody called 'Villadag'. It couldn't be, could it?
D'ya like dags?
Was he spouting about statistics, and graphs from the mon era - if so he's the man :)
What ever happened to the old dawg anyway ?
He's out there somewhere, waiting for the call. Like in TELEFON.
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Joining the list of villa managers who have managed at international level -
Mercer, Docherty, Taylor, venglos, Mcleish ,houllier and o Neill if confirmed - has any other club had so many managers who have managed at international level?
Surely 7 must be a record.
Add jimmy Hogan to the list - and he managed 2 international teams
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Joining the list of villa managers who have managed at international level -
Mercer, Docherty, Taylor, venglos, Mcleish ,houllier and o Neill if confirmed - has any other club had so many managers who have managed at international level?
Surely 7 must be a record.
Add jimmy Hogan to the list - and he managed 2 international teams
Peter Withe Thailand aswell
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Joining the list of villa managers who have managed at international level -
Mercer, Docherty, Taylor, venglos, Mcleish ,houllier and o Neill if confirmed - has any other club had so many managers who have managed at international level?
Surely 7 must be a record.
Add jimmy Hogan to the list - and he managed 2 international teams
Peter Withe Thailand aswell
It's Villa managers.
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It is hardly a symptom of being unable to "get over" MON, though, is it?
A very small percentage of our fans never got over him leaving and still believe MON was too good for us. Some stayed, others went off to join the Mackems and are probably right now on iTunes buying up albums by The Dubliners. ;)
VillaDawg is probably getting a Pogues tattoo right now.
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I have more bad than good to say about MON personally. But I do think he is suited to the job, with no money to piss up a wall.
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He could have quite easily taken up a media role (especially with Hansen leaving the BBC at the end of the season), but obviously fancies another go at management. Always felt he would be suited to international management, as that environment would negate a lot of his perceived weaknesses (transer dealings, squad rotation etc.). Not sure how his usual tactics and style of play will fare on the international stage though.
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I was not a fan when he managed us but international football could suit him.
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I for one couldn't care less.
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Roy Keane is poised for a sensational return to football as Martin O’Neill’s No.2 with the Republic of Ireland.
O’Neill will be confirmed as Giovanni Trapattoni’s successor next week, and the former Aston Villa and Sunderland boss wants Manchester United legend Keane by his side.
A deal has still to be struck, but the O’Neill-Keane ticket should be in place for the friendly with Latvia in Dublin on November 15.
Keane’s controversial outbursts both as a player and ITV pundit have made enemies with some of the powerbrokers at the Football Association of Ireland.
But Northern Irishman O’Neill’s desire to install him as assistant manager smoothed over any objections.
The 61-year-old - out of football since being axed by Sunderland in March - met with an FAI official earlier this week to put his case.
Keane, 42, has been out of management since Ipswich sacked him in 2011, and said recently that he feared he might never get another touchline gig.
But O’Neill is ready to hand his fellow former Sunderland boss a lifeline, and the pair are expected to meet to discuss the role next week.
They are also due to appear together as ITV pundits for Manchester United’s Champions League clash at Real Sociedad on Tuesday.
Keane has championed O’Neill for the Ireland job since Trapattoni was sacked after defeat by Austria in September and the end of hopes of qualification for next summer's World Cup.
“Martin would be a very good guy for the job,” said the Manchester United legend. “But that is just my opinion.”
When asked recently about succeeding Trapattoni himself, Keane responded: “I’ve more important things to be worried about.”
The day Trapattoni was sacked, FAI chief John Delaney refused to close the door on Keane becoming manager.
Delaney said: “Saipan [and the infamous fall-out with then-boss Mick McCarthy - see below] is gone. It’s 11 years ago.
"I will work with whoever is presented to us to make Irish football great.”
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Watching The Republic of Ireland play has been quite painful the last few years, I don't expect this to change.
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only thing this circus is missing now is getting in eamon dunphy as kitman.
Dont know what Keane adds to MON's ticket apart from hype, guess the FAI is up shit creek financially so bringing in these two should ensure big crowds to the next couple of friendlies. Keane, the former Walkers Leprachaun, is a brazen hypocrite, hates the Irish national team, FAI, John Delaney, they offer him a few euros and looks like he is all over it.
Keane and MON have some terrible recent failures on their CV. 24 teams in the next Euros so qualification depending on the draw should be achievable. Where will will have our asses handed to us by the better side, players will start moaning about tactical inflexibility, media will moan about the style of football and the cycle will begin again......
Keane has more to gain here I reckon, if MON runs off he will be next in line to get the gig. MON should be bringing some tactical guru with him not a rent a quote gobshite. He can cover that part off himself :)
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Watching The Republic of Ireland play has been quite painful the last few years, I don't expect this to change.
Isn't that basically because of the lack decent players though?
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@patmurphybbc: Mutual admiration between O'Neill & Keane led to MON contact.Appear no serious barriers to the appts.MON intrigued by ying & yang potential
@patmurphybbc: MON taking the Ireland job not dependent on Keane agreeing to hooking up but they've built rapport working for ITV.Who'll play the bad cop?
My take is that he will do a decent job , no transfer market to contend with and he will get the best out of the players at his disposal - a good appointment in my view .
Regarding Keane - an odd choice of number 2 as Keane is very volatile and I'm not sure how they will get on if they disagree over anything - both stubborn men.
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Is that the same Keane who abandoned his country in Japan because he didn't have a comfy toilet seat?
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perfect job for MON as others have said,
no money to waste, gets the best out of average players,
and of course last but certainly not least, he is Irish,
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It'll be interesting to see how he gets on. He does have the ability to get the best out of players so initially he might do quite well.
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Perfect way to end his managerial career - he won't have the success that jack charlton had as the quality of players isn't so high now but qualification for the euro finals in 2016 is certainly achievable for him.
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Keane and MON is a partnership which will end in tears.
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@patmurphybbc: Mutual admiration between O'Neill & Keane led to MON contact.Appear no serious barriers to the appts.MON intrigued by ying & yang potential
@patmurphybbc: MON taking the Ireland job not dependent on Keane agreeing to hooking up but they've built rapport working for ITV.Who'll play the bad cop?
My take is that he will do a decent job , no transfer market to contend with and he will get the best out of the players at his disposal - a good appointment in my view .
Regarding Keane - an odd choice of number 2 as Keane is very volatile and I'm not sure how they will get on if they disagree over anything - both stubborn men.
My take on it is that Pat Murphy probably struggled to sleep last night, with the permanent hard-on he'll have had at the thought of his hero returning to the game.
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Keane and MON is a partnership which will end in tears.
I can see that too.
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A total and utter recipe for disaster. MON isn't the manager he once was and Keano is too volatile and not really cut out for coaching or management. It's going to end badly because it won't take Keane long to start questionning MON's tactics and selections.
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Can't wait.
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Bringing in Roy Keane? Well, at least he still has his sense of humour.
I actually think that internationals might be where MON finds his best outlet. As Eastie's said, there's no transfer market, and the potential for tactical variation is smaller than at club level because you get next to no time to train with the players. As a result, what an international manager needs above all else is the ability to get his players up and ready to fight on and on, and for all his faults MON is one of the best motivators about.
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Keane and MON is a partnership which will end in tears.
I can see that too.
Which is great for most of us, watching from the outside.
You'll struggle to find two bigger egos so the eventual car crash will be great viewing.
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MON and Keane is a potentially brilliant combination..brain and brawn. A new order and a new future. Come on the Pods!
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Sunderland fans must be beside themselves with joy at two former managerial heroes coming together like this.
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Sunderland fans must be beside themselves with joy at two former managerial heroes coming together like this.
What about Irish Sunderland fans? Barry Glendenning is probably crying quietly to himself in some dark corner somewhere.
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What could possibly go wrong?
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MON and Keane is a potentially brilliant combination..brain and brawn. A new order and a new future. Come on the Pods!
Have they changed the definition of "brilliant" without telling me?
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MON and Keane is a potentially brilliant combination..brain and brawn. A new order and a new future. Come on the Pods!
Have they changed the definition of "brilliant" without telling me?
Blame the kids. Remember when ill used to define your general well being, then for a bit it meant something that was cool. Now Brilliant means shit. I really can't keep up with it all.
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It's sick. I think.
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With MON's idiosyncratic approach to team selection, look out for Ciaran Clark playing centre forward for the RoI and Dunne perhaps having a stint in goal.
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@patmurphybbc: Mutual admiration between O'Neill & Keane led to MON contact.Appear no serious barriers to the appts.MON intrigued by ying & yang potential
@patmurphybbc: MON taking the Ireland job not dependent on Keane agreeing to hooking up but they've built rapport working for ITV.Who'll play the bad cop?
My take is that he will do a decent job , no transfer market to contend with and he will get the best out of the players at his disposal - a good appointment in my view .
Regarding Keane - an odd choice of number 2 as Keane is very volatile and I'm not sure how they will get on if they disagree over anything - both stubborn men.
My take on it is that Pat Murphy probably struggled to sleep last night, with the permanent hard-on he'll have had at the thought of his hero returning to the game.
Murphy is such a grade A tosser. Apart from delighting in the Tesco Bags winning and us losing at every opportunity, he spoke about this on R5 at lunchtime as if he has personally been involved in the dealings and if his view of how it will work out is definitive and unequivocal. He reminds me of that other grade A tosser, Alan Green, in the way he talks with such certainty that only his views count
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perfect job for MON as others have said,
no money to waste, gets the best out of average players,
and of course last but certainly not least, he is Irish,
And it's Part Time. And doesn't need to do any scouting
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so how good coach is Roy Keane is as someone got to the coaching LOL
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so how good coach is Roy Keane is as someone got to the coaching LOL
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I hate the fact that I now will support a team managed by that fecker.
And how the two of them are going to get on is anybody's guess.
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so how good a coach is Roy Keane? as one of them has got to do the coaching! LOL
fixed.
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I hate the fact that I now will support a team managed by that fecker.
And how the two of them are going to get on is anybody's guess.
To be fair mate I found it immensely difficult to support England 2004-2010 when so many people believe that Golden Generation bollocks even though evidence suggested to the contrary. One of your countrymen said to me a couple of years back --- the worse thing that happened to England was 5-1 in Munich against the poorest German team in 50 years. The hype machine went in to overdrive.
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So it would appear that DOL missed out on another job then.
You'd think he'd have given up by now - as for MON, good luck to him. I think he now realizes that he did the wrong thing by us. I've moved on. I'd rather save my vitriol for the likes of DOL and Hodge tbh.
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MON has expressed some contrition for how he left us. It was ever so briefly in a post-match interview after he played us with Sunderland at VP a year and a half ago. I nearly spat my drink out. For someone as stubborn as him to admit to a personal failing is quite telling.
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Seriously, I hope he does well. For being a prick on many levels he still left us with some excellent memories in his time with us. I also spent a few years living in Dublin back in the mid 90's so I want them to do well. Great country and people.
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I like the Irish but I cant get over how that bloke treated us and several years later we are still paying for his ego.
Sorry Ireland but fuck your National Team until you are rid of him.
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I like the Irish but I cant get over how that bloke treated us and several years later we are still paying for his ego.
Agreed.
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I hate the fact that I now will support a team managed by that fecker.
And how the two of them are going to get on is anybody's guess.
Same here
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so how good coach is Roy Keane is as someone got to the coaching LOL
Guessing Walford will still do the coaching and Keane will step into the "John Robertson" role, of which the exact function has never really been ascertained.
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Keane and MON is a partnership which will end in tears.
Yes. Whilst I think Pubey might be suited to international football the addition of Keane adds a level of combustibility that makes disaster almost a certainty.
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With MON's idiosyncratic approach to team selection, look out for Ciaran Clark playing centre forward for the RoI and Dunne perhaps having a stint in goal.
And will Cuellar be at right back?
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With MON's idiosyncratic approach to team selection, look out for Ciaran Clark playing centre forward for the RoI and Dunne perhaps having a stint in goal.
And will Cuellar be at right back?
Yes, with Nicky Shorey on the other side and getting subbed every game.
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so how good coach is Roy Keane is as someone got to the coaching LOL
Guessing Walford will still do the coaching and Keane will step into the "John Robertson" role, of which the exact function has never really been ascertained.
Bibs , cones and fags.
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so how good coach is Roy Keane is as someone got to the coaching LOL
Guessing Walford will still do the coaching and Keane will step into the "John Robertson" role, of which the exact function has never really been ascertained.
Bibs , cones and fags.
Don't underestimate the bibs
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so how good coach is Roy Keane is as someone got to the coaching LOL
Guessing Walford will still do the coaching and Keane will step into the "John Robertson" role, of which the exact function has never really been ascertained.
Bibs , cones and fags.
Don't underestimate the bibs
Bibs are not important. Nothing wrong with shirts versus skins.
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I think he'll do well for Ireland. MON's best attribute is motivating limited players and getting the best out of them and, as much as I hate to admit it, Ireland have a lot of limited players right now.
The Keane move is a stramnge one though - too arrogant to be a number 2, IMO.
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Talks at an advanced stage it seems and yes, not sure about Roy Keane as number two.
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I think he'll do well for Ireland. MON's best attribute is motivating limited players and getting the best out of them and, as much as I hate to admit it, Ireland have a lot of limited players right now.
That's counterbalanced by the fact he's tactically clueless, which is as important in international football IMO.
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I think he'll do well for Ireland. MON's best attribute is motivating limited players and getting the best out of them and, as much as I hate to admit it, Ireland have a lot of limited players right now.
That's counterbalanced by the fact he's tactically clueless, which is as important in international football IMO.
Quite possibly, but he knows how to set up a team to be hard to beat, which will translate fine into international football.
He'll not do anything great with us, but I can see him improving things and getting us to a finals.
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I predict
Philipp Lahm will turn out to have Irish family and will be played at left back
Heskey will have an Irish setter and will be drafted back from Australia
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Talks at an advanced stage it seems and yes, not sure about Roy Keane as number two.
Deal was agreed on Sunday , mon and Keane are in Spain for itv tonight and will be unveiled on their return according to pat murphy - pat tweeted me last month saying no way mon would be interested , when I reminded him about that on Sunday his excuse was its a changing landscape.
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Whenever I see a former player on telly talking about their career the ones who have played under MON always have the highest regard for him. Only my opinion but he has the ability to get the best out of players and he'll be ideally suited to the Ireland job. I know some of his signings and the manner of his departure have soured memories of his time at VP but I also remember there being an extra 3 or 4 thousand every home game and turning up confident of seeing a good result. Apart from MoN's spell the last time i'd felt that confidence was under Gregory's reign.
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Whenever I see a former player on telly talking about their career the ones who have played under MON always have the highest regard for him. Only my opinion but he has the ability to get the best out of players and he'll be ideally suited to the Ireland job. I know some of his signings and the manner of his departure have soured memories of his time at VP but I also remember there being an extra 3 or 4 thousand every home game and turning up confident of seeing a good result. Apart from MoN's spell the last time i'd felt that confidence was under Gregory's reign.
Fair comment , his motivational skills were his greatest asset- he will do a good job for the Irish and end his career on a high .
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I always thought M'ON would be a fairly good International manager, as he doesn't need to sign players and it's more of a case of motivation.
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Should be interesting to see how MON and Roy Keane get on if they do work together. "Compromise" doesn't appear to be a word either one of them has in their vocabularies.
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Think he'll do well for Ireland until the inevitable fallout of course.
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Done apparently then more or less according to some Irish F.A bloke. Should be interesting.
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Done apparently then more or less according to some Irish F.A bloke. Should be interesting.
I'm sure you will be tuned into itv at 7-30 hanging on his every word clamps ;)
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Done apparently then more or less according to some Irish F.A bloke. Should be interesting.
I'm sure you will be tuned into itv at 7-30 hanging on his every word clamps ;)
I'm just interested to see how he get's on with Roy Keane. It's not me who tweets Pat murphy about him.
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I think it's a recipe for disaster. Brilliant.
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Done apparently then more or less according to some Irish F.A bloke. Should be interesting.
I'm sure you will be tuned into itv at 7-30 hanging on his every word clamps ;)
I'm just interested to see how he get's on with Roy Keane. It's not me who tweets Pat murphy about him.
Indeed.
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I can see Keane twating him after their first defeat. ;D
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I think it's a recipe for disaster. Brilliant.
I can understand why they want O'Neil. The Roy Keane appointment is a bit baffling though.
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I can see Keane twating him after their first defeat. ;D
Hey will be all lovey dovey tonight but sparks will soon fly - clough could handle Keane but our martin as we well know is no cloughie :)
Clash of ego's and it will be explosive - fireworks indeed .
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Well since they both have form for flouncing off at the most inopportune of times, I am sure they're well suited to one another.
I predict that Keane will grow to hate being number two and will be back in club management/full time media work before the Irish fail to qualify for the next Euros. MON will probably hang on in there. This is his last gig.
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Actually, I'm going to stop being bitter about the past. I wish the Judas pube-headed dwarf all the best in his new job.
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Is it wrong that I already cant wait for the day they quit in a huff
But....like the Murphy's I'm not Bitter!
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I personally think mon will do well with them, he's better suited to international management than the club game. No wages or transfer fees to worry about, no long term fitness training requirements, just get a bunch of players together for a few weeks of the year and get them motivated to play for each other. His tactics are simple enough to get across in that situation as well. They won't win anything but then would any manager get them to? They may well qualify for the euros though.
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I personally think mon will do well with them, he's better suited to international management than the club game. No wages or transfer fees to worry about, no long term fitness training requirements, just get a bunch of players together for a few weeks of the year and get them motivated to play for each other. His tactics are simple enough to get across in that situation as well. They won't win anything but then would any manager get them to? They may well qualify for the euros though.
To be honest, I hope he does. I don't mind seeing Ireland do well.
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I personally think mon will do well with them, he's better suited to international management than the club game. No wages or transfer fees to worry about, no long term fitness training requirements, just get a bunch of players together for a few weeks of the year and get them motivated to play for each other. His tactics are simple enough to get across in that situation as well. They won't win anything but then would any manager get them to? They may well qualify for the euros though.
To be honest, I hope he does. I don't mind seeing Ireland do well.
I don't like that wasteful tosspot very much, either.
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Is it 7.30 yet ? ;)
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Woody Allen and Captain Scarlett managing ROI. Should be interesting.
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At least they cannot spunk shitloads of cash up a wall for average players. Thank f..k.
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Has anyone told the treacherous bastard he won't be able to bring Steve Sidwell on on 75 minutes any more?
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I personally think mon will do well with them, he's better suited to international management than the club game. No wages or transfer fees to worry about, no long term fitness training requirements, just get a bunch of players together for a few weeks of the year and get them motivated to play for each other. His tactics are simple enough to get across in that situation as well. They won't win anything but then would any manager get them to? They may well qualify for the euros though.
To be honest, I hope he does. I don't mind seeing Ireland do well.
He is very good at man motivation (a skill Lambert patently lacks) is Mon. This unusual pairing shouldnt work which means it just might!
I like Ireland as well I hope they do well.
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Who will throw a tantrum first?
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Graham Taylor was a better manager but couldn't transfer his skills the international stage, just because he's a good motivator I can't see why people think O'Neill will succeed. In any case, he'll only pick a squad of around 18 players and never talk to half of them.
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Graham Taylor was a better manager but couldn't transfer his skills the international stage, just because he's a good motivator I can't see why people think O'Neill will succeed. In any case, he'll only pick a squad of around 18 players and never talk to half of them.
Shay Given as striker...
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I'll be interested to see how his tactics fare against the best international sides.
Excuse me, tactic.
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As much as it grieves me to say it, I think MON will do a good job for ROI. Despite what we all know about him, players will want to play for him & the fans will want him to succeed. However, I'm not sure about the combination with Keane. One thing Keane is not is a yes man, how will MON cope with being told he's an outdated cnut?.
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I'm probably way off the mark, but I wonder if he chose Keane as his assistant as a fall guy if things go wrong......
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I'm slightly bemused at all the bitter comments directed at MON. It makes me smile to think people are still angry at our ex manager.
I wonder when the haters will get over it and move on?
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I'm slightly bemused at all the bitter comments directed at MON. It makes me smile to think people are still angry at our ex manager.
I wonder when the haters will get over it and move on?
I don't smile much (well, a little - it's only football) when I think of MON being asked in a press conference about signing Falcao and his replying 'Who? No I think we'll be looking a little closer to home' - and going on to sign Heskey. To name just one thing.
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Bemused? He left us at the worst time ever, to inflict maximum damage. We have never had any answers to why.. he trousered a couple of million and kept quiet like the petty, pube headed prick he is.
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Good luck martin. I always like it when Ireland have a Villa connectiomn
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I'm quite intrigued about it. Trappatoni's tenure has made me used to the defensive, direct style that MON will stuggle to develop. His whimsical interviews will be a refreshing change to Giovanni's not so much broken as banjaxed grasp of English.
One thing I'm not looking forward to is uninformed gobshites asking again and again after we scrape past the might of Denmark and Hungary "Why were Villa so stupid to let him go?".
I do wonder whether he would have taken this gig if the Euros hadn't been expanded by eight extra teams. Ireland have a fighting chance of qualifying and if we do I imagine O'Neill will consider his reputation firmly restored as he looks for one last big club gig.
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I'm also quite intrigued by it. If I can forgive Keane for Saipan then I can easily forgive O'Neill for how it ended at Villa.
There was an interesting piece by Pat Murphy on the Monday Night Club about how MON and Keane had got to know each other whilst working for ITV. Ian McGarry also had an interesting slant. TBH it might just work, it could be a disaster, but I'd rather this than an insipid appointment like Hodgson.
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http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/international/2013/1105/484722-fai-confirm-oneill-as-new-ireland-manager/
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I think it's a recipe for disaster. Brilliant.
I don't know where your getting a recipe for disaster from. An egotistical, petulant, past his best manager with an egotistical, never had a best when it comes to managing, petulant assistant who half the fans don't want involved. What could possibly go wrong? I think it was lieutenant Frank Drebin who said 'It's a long shot, but it might just work'.
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I'm quite intrigued about it. Trappatoni's tenure has made me used to the defensive, direct style that MON will stuggle to develop. His whimsical interviews will be a refreshing change to Giovanni's not so much broken as banjaxed grasp of English.
One thing I'm not looking forward to is uninformed gobshites asking again and again after we scrape past the might of Denmark and Hungary "Why were Villa so stupid to let him go?".
I do wonder whether he would have taken this gig if the Euros hadn't been expanded by eight extra teams. Ireland have a fighting chance of qualifying and if we do I imagine O'Neill will consider his reputation firmly restored as he looks for one last big club gig.
Good summary. There will also be a que of eejits pointing at me going 'villa have been crap since yee let him go'.
It's one of those annoying things you can only debate with somebody who follows villa really closely.
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Shouldn't this be on Other Football, maybe under Poison Dwarf Strikes Again?
It pains me to see that he is on another £1m a year contract, while still picking up huge sums from previous jobs that he has fucked up.
To see the twat so prominent on this forum is nauseating for me.
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I'm probably way off the mark, but I wonder if he chose Keane as his assistant as a fall guy if things go wrong......
If things go wrong I see Keane as benefiting not MON to be honest, the heir apparent and all that
If things go well and one last big club comes MON's way then I suppose the handover should be pretty seamless too.
As much as it grieves me to say it, I think MON will do a good job for ROI. Despite what we all know about him, players will want to play for him & the fans will want him to succeed. However, I'm not sure about the combination with Keane. One thing Keane is not is a yes man, how will MON cope with being told he's an outdated cnut?.
Interesting change from MON re his backroom strategy, he used bring a choir of yes men with him to his gigs. Keane will be anything but you suspect. It's a brave move from MON certainly but Keane is no Peter Taylor.
The Irish media in an effort to gloss over MON's recent failure at Sunderland have pointed to the lack of John Robertson as the reason for his lack of success. Clutching at straws there I suspect. But at least MON is making some effort to change his support staff, his efforts at Sunderland were truly dire and bringing just Walford, McDonagh and Guppy with him again would be worrying. Keane isnt the tactical genius MON needs though. I think the game has move beyond personality managers without the smarts to back it up. More than ever the battle between MON/Keane and the RTE panel of Giles/Brady/Dunphy will be more entertaining than anything on the pitch. Brady hates Keane with a passion and MON has sued Dunphy before I'm pretty sure.
We have a very limited squad of players at the moment but the likes of Coleman, Clark, McCarthy, Gibson, Brady, McGeady and Long are at a key stage of their respective careers. Hopefully MON can inspire the best out of them and maybe a final lash from Dunne and Robbie Keane.
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I'm also quite intrigued by it. If I can forgive Keane for Saipan then I can easily forgive O'Neill for how it ended at Villa.
This is the real issue here, isn't it? I get the impression that some people are never going to forgive him for that.
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I'm also quite intrigued by it. If I can forgive Keane for Saipan then I can easily forgive O'Neill for how it ended at Villa.
This is the real issue here, isn't it? I get the impression that some people are never going to forgive him for that.
He ended it like a petulant bitch, but I'm more concerned with the way he pissed away our best chance at becoming real contenders for many years before and after.
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If MON can get her in the team they could go all the way.
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I'm also quite intrigued by it. If I can forgive Keane for Saipan then I can easily forgive O'Neill for how it ended at Villa.
This is the real issue here, isn't it? I get the impression that some people are never going to forgive him for that.
No, they won't, which is their perogative I suppose. I know we're more or less still paying for his overspending now but I more or less forgot about it not long after he left. What happened is in the past, we can't change it.
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As one of those who felt he had taken us as far as he could I was pleased to see him depart albeit I would have preferred him to go in the may .
The disappointment for me was the appointments that replaced him and the cutbacks that followed - I had hoped mons departure would see us progress under a new dynamic manager .
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As one of those who felt he had taken us as far as he could I was pleased to see him depart albeit I would have preferred him to go in the may .
The disappointment for me was the appointments that replaced him and the cutbacks that followed - I had hoped mons departure would see us progress under a new dynamic manager .
Me too. I was a huge critic of MON for the whole of 2009 and 2010. Not sure if anybody remembers that. I really felt he would go summer 2010 and that we would get somebody in to 'take us to the next level'.
The timing of his departure combined with the Board's lack of footballing expertise have instead brought us in the other direction.
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I wonder what cb's thoughts on this appointment are.
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I wonder what cb's thoughts on this appointment are.
Don't think she gives a fuck, to be fair. She is all about the horses.
(http://www.funkybunky.co.uk/media/ecom/prodxl/Claire-Balding.jpg)
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Why does Brady hate Keane with a passion?
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I just think they deserve each other - (Keane and O`Neil)
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Trap's record with ROI was really good but as far as I can see the main issues with him was boring defensive football, inflexible formations and his bizarre instance on calling up league one players like Paul Green ahead of players actually playing in the premier league ahead of Gibson and James McCarthy.
Now these are things you can level at MON in his time here although the football was more technically limited and not boring.
I think he'll do a similar job, should get ROI to the euros seeing as 24 teams qualify.
Smart from him as he realises he's finished in club football and taking another job would've been similar to Sunderland.
IMO Keane could've done the top job on his own, no idea how that dynamic will play out.
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I'm probably way off the mark, but I wonder if he chose Keane as his assistant as a fall guy if things go wrong......
If things go wrong I see Keane as benefiting not MON to be honest, the heir apparent and all that
If things go well and one last big club comes MON's way then I suppose the handover should be pretty seamless too.
As much as it grieves me to say it, I think MON will do a good job for ROI. Despite what we all know about him, players will want to play for him & the fans will want him to succeed. However, I'm not sure about the combination with Keane. One thing Keane is not is a yes man, how will MON cope with being told he's an outdated cnut?.
Interesting change from MON re his backroom strategy, he used bring a choir of yes men with him to his gigs. Keane will be anything but you suspect. It's a brave move from MON certainly but Keane is no Peter Taylor.
The Irish media in an effort to gloss over MON's recent failure at Sunderland have pointed to the lack of John Robertson as the reason for his lack of success. Clutching at straws there I suspect. But at least MON is making some effort to change his support staff, his efforts at Sunderland were truly dire and bringing just Walford, McDonagh and Guppy with him again would be worrying. Keane isnt the tactical genius MON needs though. I think the game has move beyond personality managers without the smarts to back it up. More than ever the battle between MON/Keane and the RTE panel of Giles/Brady/Dunphy will be more entertaining than anything on the pitch. Brady hates Keane with a passion and MON has sued Dunphy before I'm pretty sure.
We have a very limited squad of players at the moment but the likes of Coleman, Clark, McCarthy, Gibson, Brady, McGeady and Long are at a key stage of their respective careers. Hopefully MON can inspire the best out of them and maybe a final lash from Dunne and Robbie Keane.
I love the pluck of the Irish but some serious clutching at straws. It will all end in tears, don't even tink about getting your hopes up you have no decent International players and now you have 2 desperados in charge. What could possibly go wrong? Looking forward to more comedy
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Why does Brady hate Keane with a passion?
It goes back to the Keane v Vieira days and probably before then too. Brady of course was head of the Arsenals youths set up so naturally was very pro the Gunners around that time.
He went on a mercenary rant about Keane when he left Old Trafford - , 3 mins in or so and was pro McCarthy in a big way back in Saipan.
He used go on a big way when Keane was playing about his petulance etc but my old man would hold the opinion that Keane in a green jersey was no more petulant than Brady. Brady's red card that caused him to miss Euro 88 was clownish behaviour of the highest degree and tended to be equally dismissive of other players and managers ala Keane.
Brady again has a right lash at Keane today which I think it uncalled for really - http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/brady-questions-logic-of-oneill-bringing-disastrous-keane-into-ireland-setup-29733633.html . His own stint in management was far from inspiring.
I suspect a lot of the reason behind his disdain for Keane is primarily down to a bit of jealousy that Irish people see Keane as a better player than Brady was. Another great Irish number six who played between both of their eras, Ronnie Whelan, was and still is, another insufferable arsehole. The likes of Liam Miller and Glenn Whelan have a lot to live up to in fairness ;D
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Why does Brady hate Keane with a passion?
It goes back to the Keane v Vieira days and probably before then too. Brady of course was head of the Arsenals youths set up so naturally was very pro the Gunners around that time.
He went on a mercenary rant about Keane when he left Old Trafford - , 3 mins in or so and was pro McCarthy in a big way back in Saipan.
He used go on a big way when Keane was playing about his petulance etc but my old man would hold the opinion that Keane in a green jersey was no more petulant than Brady. Brady's red card that caused him to miss Euro 88 was clownish behaviour of the highest degree and tended to be equally dismissive of other players and managers ala Keane.
Brady again has a right lash at Keane today which I think it uncalled for really - http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/brady-questions-logic-of-oneill-bringing-disastrous-keane-into-ireland-setup-29733633.html . His own stint in management was far from inspiring.
I suspect a lot of the reason behind his disdain for Keane is primarily down to a bit of jealousy that Irish people see Keane as a better player than Brady was. Another great Irish number six who played between both of their eras, Ronnie Whelan, was and still is, another insufferable arsehole. The likes of Liam Miller and Glenn Whelan have a lot to live up to in fairness ;D
Is that because there are more ManU fans in Ireland?
Hope neither of them are jealous of McGrath - he was better than both for Ireland.
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Why does Brady hate Keane with a passion?
It goes back to the Keane v Vieira days and probably before then too. Brady of course was head of the Arsenals youths set up so naturally was very pro the Gunners around that time.
He went on a mercenary rant about Keane when he left Old Trafford - , 3 mins in or so and was pro McCarthy in a big way back in Saipan.
He used go on a big way when Keane was playing about his petulance etc but my old man would hold the opinion that Keane in a green jersey was no more petulant than Brady. Brady's red card that caused him to miss Euro 88 was clownish behaviour of the highest degree and tended to be equally dismissive of other players and managers ala Keane.
Brady again has a right lash at Keane today which I think it uncalled for really - http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/brady-questions-logic-of-oneill-bringing-disastrous-keane-into-ireland-setup-29733633.html . His own stint in management was far from inspiring.
I suspect a lot of the reason behind his disdain for Keane is primarily down to a bit of jealousy that Irish people see Keane as a better player than Brady was. Another great Irish number six who played between both of their eras, Ronnie Whelan, was and still is, another insufferable arsehole. The likes of Liam Miller and Glenn Whelan have a lot to live up to in fairness ;D
Is that because there are more ManU fans in Ireland?
Hope neither of them are jealous of McGrath - he was better than both for Ireland.
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I am stuck on this one. I want MoN to fail but want Ireland to progress and do well.
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Why does Brady hate Keane with a passion?
It goes back to the Keane v Vieira days and probably before then too. Brady of course was head of the Arsenals youths set up so naturally was very pro the Gunners around that time.
He went on a mercenary rant about Keane when he left Old Trafford - , 3 mins in or so and was pro McCarthy in a big way back in Saipan.
He used go on a big way when Keane was playing about his petulance etc but my old man would hold the opinion that Keane in a green jersey was no more petulant than Brady. Brady's red card that caused him to miss Euro 88 was clownish behaviour of the highest degree and tended to be equally dismissive of other players and managers ala Keane.
Brady again has a right lash at Keane today which I think it uncalled for really - http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/brady-questions-logic-of-oneill-bringing-disastrous-keane-into-ireland-setup-29733633.html . His own stint in management was far from inspiring.
I suspect a lot of the reason behind his disdain for Keane is primarily down to a bit of jealousy that Irish people see Keane as a better player than Brady was. Another great Irish number six who played between both of their eras, Ronnie Whelan, was and still is, another insufferable arsehole. The likes of Liam Miller and Glenn Whelan have a lot to live up to in fairness ;D
Is that because there are more ManU fans in Ireland?
Hope neither of them are jealous of McGrath - he was better than both for Ireland.
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Thanks - I was quite correct. Now fully correct.
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I am stuck on this one. I want MoN to fail but want Ireland to progress and do well.
Hitman. And hope Keane as learned his lesson?.
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Why does Brady hate Keane with a passion?
It goes back to the Keane v Vieira days and probably before then too. Brady of course was head of the Arsenals youths set up so naturally was very pro the Gunners around that time.
He went on a mercenary rant about Keane when he left Old Trafford - , 3 mins in or so and was pro McCarthy in a big way back in Saipan.
He used go on a big way when Keane was playing about his petulance etc but my old man would hold the opinion that Keane in a green jersey was no more petulant than Brady. Brady's red card that caused him to miss Euro 88 was clownish behaviour of the highest degree and tended to be equally dismissive of other players and managers ala Keane.
Brady again has a right lash at Keane today which I think it uncalled for really - http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/brady-questions-logic-of-oneill-bringing-disastrous-keane-into-ireland-setup-29733633.html . His own stint in management was far from inspiring.
I suspect a lot of the reason behind his disdain for Keane is primarily down to a bit of jealousy that Irish people see Keane as a better player than Brady was. Another great Irish number six who played between both of their eras, Ronnie Whelan, was and still is, another insufferable arsehole. The likes of Liam Miller and Glenn Whelan have a lot to live up to in fairness ;D
Is that because there are more ManU fans in Ireland?
Hope neither of them are jealous of McGrath - he was better than both for Ireland.
Maybe though Arsenal had O'Leary and Stapleton at the time too. Not sure if United traditionally would have more support back in Ireland than Arsenal.
Keane was captain of the best English club side for about 20 years during the sky sports era, superb for Ireland in a World Cup. Led the side to another world cup.
Before my time but I guess Brady's best years were in an average enough Arsenal side, poor Irish side and in Italy.
Just think there is a hint of jealousy from him in the acclaim Keane still gets at home.
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Who in Ireland really cared abut the national side or football in general when Brady was playing?
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Who in Ireland really cared abut the national side or football in general when Brady was playing?
Not many. It was only when Jack Charlton took over that made Irish people stood up and take notice. Before then football was always a minority sport. Still is to an extent.
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Who in Ireland really cared abut the national side or football in general when Brady was playing?
Not many. It was only when Jack Charlton took over that made Irish people stood up and take notice. Before then football was always a minority sport. Still is to an extent.
That's what i thought. Therefore Brady's entire career went largely unknown.
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Before then football was always a minority sport. Still is to an extent.
Is that really true, SH? I was under the impression that it isn't really a minority sport anymore.
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Before then football was always a minority sport. Still is to an extent.
Is that really true, SH? I was under the impression that it isn't really a minority sport anymore.
It will always be a poor relation to the GAA sports.
Prior to Jack Charlton there was still an interest in English league football, but less in the national side.
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My recollection of all that is a bit different. Popularity wise, Brady, Whelan and God were out on their own. And perhaps always will be.
Ability wise, Keane is close to that level (though not quite on a par). But there were question marks over his attitude and commitment during Big Jack's time, and even when Mick McCarthy made him captain in 1996, there was still a feeling that he kept his best form for Manchester United and playing for Ireland was a chore. Much of that probably owes to Ferguson's reluctance to let him travel for Ireland games he heimself didn't view as important (as per Giggs with Wales) so that might be somewhat harsh.
I'd say it was only from about 1998 onwards that Ireland got a glimpse of the Keane that played for his club. Then he shat the bed in 2002, and we all know the rest.
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Before then football was always a minority sport. Still is to an extent.
Is that really true, SH? I was under the impression that it isn't really a minority sport anymore.
It will always be a poor relation to the GAA sports.
Prior to Jack Charlton there was still an interest in English league football, but less in the national side.
I doubt that. A lot of recent Irish players have come from GAA heartlands. The GAA have pumped a lot of money into the local Dublin GAA scene in recent years but football is still massive and the most widely played game. Id question how many play it as their most serious hobby away from the cities. Would have been the slightly poorer relation to the GAA sports in my youth in rural Ireland but it was still a decent standard. I think it was felt by the FAI that they needed the boost of a big name manager at the moment with the GAA having a big summer this year with Dublin winning the Gaelic football and a brilliant hurling championship. I dont think rugby makes any impact whatsoever with football in Ireland, different ends of the social spectrum. its worth noting though that its rare that both GAA sports are popular in the same areas, hurling is barely played in half the counties in Ireland. Donegal (where Shay Given is from) would have a very strong local soccer and gaelic football scene. Martin O'Neill I'm pretty sure played Minor for Derry in Croke Park. Kevin Moran won All Irelands with Dublin before going to Man United. Lots of other examples.
Ironically Irish league football would have been far stronger back in Brady's time. Under Giles, the side was robbed in qualification for the world cup in 1974 and again robbed against Belgium in 1982 qualifying. It was far from a complete desert football wise until Jack Charlton waved his magic wand. Little known players like Liam Whelan, Giles, Givens, Hurley did come from the Emerald Isle in the pre Charlton days. Not to mention those north of the border like Best, Blanchflower, Jennings and two remembered around B6, McParland and O'Neill.
I still find it incredible how ill informed some little Englanders are about Ireland generally. It wasnt as if the English football side was pulling up trees at the same time. Granted it was pre Sky Sports and the internet but Brady winning the English player of the year in 1979 and back to back Seria A titles (1980 and 1981) was bound to have generated more than a little interest. The amount of Irish people who emigrated to the UK in the 50s, 60s and 70s would naturally have a big interest in English club football too.
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That's really interesting, Brontebilly, especially the extent to which the GAA sports are stronger in different regions. I also didn't know that Kevin Moran had won the All Irelands before going to Man Utd.
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Great update Brontebilly.
When we used to take our annual holiday in Dublin as kids (1970s) I would say that Liverpool were streets ahead of anybody else in terms of support. Arsenal and Man U were big too, with a good number of Leeds (massive in early 70s) and Everton (just over the water from Dublin, and originally the Catholic team of Merseyside, apparently). Danny Blanchflower also once said that the Irish had a fondness for exotic names like Aston Villa, Tottenham Hotspur, WBA et al so they would always draw a measure of Irish support - particularly those in cities with Irish immigrants.
One year, probably 1977, we went to see a League of Ireland representative side play a pre-season friendly against a full Liverpool team and Lansdowne Road was sold out, with the crowd probably split 50:50. The family always used to say to me that the Irish love to hate the English but love to love their football teams.
I used to wear my Villa badge in pubs with my dad when I was 15-16 and people would always stop us to talk about football. There was definitely a passion for football, mainly the big English clubs, and MOTD was as popular as in England.
By the by, I once heard in Dublin that Man U signed Moran without having seen him play football, only Gaelic. Always assumed this was a myth.
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I would say that GAA was to the Irish what football is to the British and that football was to the Irish what a sport like Rugby is to the British.
I would say that has changed over the past thirty years and that football is the closet rival to GAA. I think Brontebilly underestimates support for Rugby. I would say, that among what I see as a middle-class 'culchies on tour' cohort (people to grew up in rural areas but have settled in the professions in the cities) are pretty evenly split between Rugby and football and Rugby in Munster draws support across the social strata.
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That's really interesting, Brontebilly, especially the extent to which the GAA sports are stronger in different regions. I also didn't know that Kevin Moran had won the All Irelands before going to Man Utd.
here is a clip of Moran playing for Dublin - , his is a remarkable story alright. Nowadays some top gaelic footballers head to Aus instead to try their hand at Aussie Rules. Good few here at the moment but their success has been limited with a few exceptions. One of them Ciaran Kilkenny left a contract at Hawthorn earlier this year to go back and play for the Dubs.
The GAA ban on players playing and attending even I think foreign sports had an impact on Liam Brady. He got expelled from school in Dublin for playing an underage game for Ireland. Thankfully the days of the ban are long gone, 1971 it finished.
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http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2013/0806/466647-blog/
This article caused a bit of a stir when it was noticed that pre-season friendlies against Villa and Leeds had bigger attendances than ordinary LoI games.
In my experience football is massively popular with Irish fans, as they get to choose a club, hence the popularity of Liverpool, Manchester United etc, the GAA and Rugby is more parochial.
A lot of MON fans and Keane haters, in Dublin anyway.
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That was an interesting 'interview' with Mick McCarthy yesterday on Keane and his role in the Ireland set up.
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Good luck MON, didnt like what you did, but we had some great times with you and i wish you well for those alone.
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Interesting for MON to pick out the fitness at Villa as some kind of evidence he knew how to get a squad fit!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/10/paolo-di-canio-martin-oneill-sunderland
I recall plenty of times where we ran out of steam after an hour.
He's right about Di Canio though. Total cretin.
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Interesting for MON to pick out the fitness at Villa as some kind of evidence he knew how to get a squad fit!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/10/paolo-di-canio-martin-oneill-sunderland
I recall plenty of times where we ran out of steam after an hour.
He's right about Di Canio though. Total cretin.
When we shipped 7 against Chelsea, John *spits* Terry gave an interview where he basically said that everyone knows what to do agaisnt Villa - wait for us to get tired and then hammer us. MON's Villa were not fit: the same XI was overplayed to the point of burnout, he clearly doesn't understand fitness properly from his comments about diet yesterday (read them, he sounds like Godfrey Bloom) and the style of play, where we never dominated possession properly, meant we did an awful lot more running and chasing that we should've.
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Interesting for MON to pick out the fitness at Villa as some kind of evidence he knew how to get a squad fit!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/10/paolo-di-canio-martin-oneill-sunderland
I recall plenty of times where we ran out of steam after an hour.
He's right about Di Canio though. Total cretin.
When we shipped 7 against Chelsea, John *spits* Terry gave an interview where he basically said that everyone knows what to do agaisnt Villa - wait for us to get tired and then hammer us. MON's Villa were not fit: the same XI was overplayed to the point of burnout, he clearly doesn't understand fitness properly from his comments about diet yesterday (read them, he sounds like Godfrey Bloom) and the style of play, where we never dominated possession properly, meant we did an awful lot more running and chasing that we should've.
MON sounds on top form there, maybe he's got his mojo back
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He'll like the hours required to be an international manager.
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Interesting for MON to pick out the fitness at Villa as some kind of evidence he knew how to get a squad fit!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/10/paolo-di-canio-martin-oneill-sunderland
I recall plenty of times where we ran out of steam after an hour.
He's right about Di Canio though. Total cretin.
Absolute charlatan - sums up Di Canio perfectly. I'm not sure who the manager before Di Canio was that spent over 25m on Fletcher and Johnson. Reporter seems to have forgotten to ask him a few obvious questions re his time at Sunderland.
Re Villa fitness, our players tended to run out of steam come March time. He had no idea how to rotate the squad throughout the season so everyone is still fighting fit and for places in the side come the end of the season. Benitez managed that really well with Chelsea last year I thought.
One of the many reasons MON didn't progress in club management but the fitness thing doesn't really affect an international manager.
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Not quite on message with the thread, but this has just raised a smile as I read it. And for all the fallout over him being allowed too much pocket money, his dry humour is a pleasant change in this modern age of dull, media scared sheep.
From The Grauniad:
Martin O'Neill has launched a stinging attack on Paolo Di Canio, the man who succeeded him at Sunderland, branding the Italian a "managerial charlatan".
Di Canio was appointed after O'Neill's sacking in March but lasted only 11 games before suffering the same fate. Di Canio was critical of O'Neill's tenure and, specifically, the fitness level of the players he inherited from the Northern Irishman.
O'Neill has now taken charge of the Republic of Ireland in a controversial partnership with Roy Keane. When asked if he was disappointed by comments made about his Sunderland regime by Di Canio, O'Neill replied: "Paolo Di Canio? That managerial charlatan – absolutely, yes.
"Paolo stepped in there and basically, as weeks ran on, he ran out of excuses. I had a wry smile to myself."
O'Neill clearly took particular exception to allegations that his players were not fit. The 61-year-old said: "It's like a 27-year-old manager stepping in and the first thing you do is criticise the fitness of the team beforehand. If you've ever seen Aston Villa play, you'll see the one thing I pride myself on is teams being fit.
"What you'll find interesting is that when he started the team wasn't fit for the Chelsea game. Then the following week when he won at Newcastle, not being fit wasn't mentioned.
"Then about two weeks later they got mauled by Aston Villa, someone asked him about the fitness. Suddenly, he didn't know where to go. Because the team, as it progresses, should be getting more fit.
"And then, at the start of the season, when he lost by a late goal at Southampton, he was asked about the fitness regime, that he was going to have them the fittest team in the league. Suddenly, the fitness wasn't for that game but for Christmas, when the winter months set in. You know, I did have a wry smile at that one."
O'Neill garnered similar amusement from Di Canio's decision to ban various foodstuffs. When in charge of Sunderland, Di Canio explained: "We need to have lectures about why we can't have every day things like mayonnaise, ketchup and Coke."
Speaking after he was officially introduced as Ireland's manager on Saturday afternoon, O'Neill said: "I'm hoping at some stage or another [Sunderland's captain] John O'Shea asks me at dinner table to pass him the tomato sauce and I will dispose of it immediately. But then if I feel you can't win games without tomato sauce I will empty it on his plate, with the chips.
"John Robertson [O'Neill's former assistant] once said that if every team in Italy has pre-match pasta for their meals, how come three get relegated each year? It's an interesting point. Ability might come into it. I'd have loved the opportunity to sign 15 players like Paolo did. I never got that opportunity.
"I was very disappointed at the outcome. I think I would have garnered the five points necessary to have stayed up and [had] the chance maybe to have changed the side."
The phone of Di Canio's agent Phil Spencer was ringing out yesterday.
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I'd have loved the opportunity to sign 15 players like Paolo did. I never got that opportunity.
The problem with that, Martin, is that you signing 15 players would cost about £200m.
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I'd have loved the opportunity to sign 15 players like Paolo did. I never got that opportunity.
The problem with that, Martin, is that you signing 15 players would cost about £200m.
Quite and I'm not sure he's right about his Villa team being excellent in terms of fitness.
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I'd have loved the opportunity to sign 15 players like Paolo did. I never got that opportunity.
The problem with that, Martin, is that you signing 15 players would cost about £200m.
Quite and I'm not sure he's right about his Villa team being excellent in terms of fitness.
It's hard to tell. I'm not sure the fittest 11 players in the world could have stood up to the demands of a full season, playing every single game in a Martin O Neill side. Even Milner at the tail end of 09/10 was running out of steam, and he had an immense engine.
It's funny that Houllier had said exactly the same thing though. Indeed it was his approach to fitness, in particular double training sessions, which partly led to most of his senior squad not taking to him. The likes of Dunne and Collins in particular, who liked a few ales of course fell well foul of Houlliers regime.
I don't think we were unfit under O Neill though. We were just a high energy side and he never rotated us at all or made substitions to try and add some energy in games when we'd flag. But at the end of the day, whilst Houllier might have claimed he made us fitter, we ended his season 16 points worse off than the previous one under O Neill's group of chip eating, ketchup guzzling fatties.
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Interesting for MON to pick out the fitness at Villa as some kind of evidence he knew how to get a squad fit!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/nov/10/paolo-di-canio-martin-oneill-sunderland
I recall plenty of times where we ran out of steam after an hour.
He's right about Di Canio though. Total cretin.
When we shipped 7 against Chelsea, John *spits* Terry gave an interview where he basically said that everyone knows what to do agaisnt Villa - wait for us to get tired and then hammer us. MON's Villa were not fit: the same XI was overplayed to the point of burnout, he clearly doesn't understand fitness properly from his comments about diet yesterday (read them, he sounds like Godfrey Bloom) and the style of play, where we never dominated possession properly, meant we did an awful lot more running and chasing that we should've.
This is very true. I never saw a lack of fitness under MON at Villa, but the extra they had to do due to lack of rotation and ball retention meant it could look that way at times.
As to the football v GAA thing, it is very regional and some counties are hurling counties and some Gaelic football. Perhaps it's just the regions of Ireland I'm familiar with then, but soccer has always seemed the 3rd sprt in the country to me, despite a large interest in English top flight clubs.
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"I was very disappointed at the outcome. I think I would have garnered the five points necessary to have stayed up and [had] the chance maybe to have changed the side."
Keep talking out your arse, MON. I doubt there's a single Sunderland supporter that would agree with you.
Charlatan? Pot calls kettle black.
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It was said of mon that if you'd had a good win at the weekend training wouldn't start until wednesday. As people have said though training only really applied to 14 players and we had no need of talking tactics did we?
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Really surprised that mon would proclaim us for fitness during his reign , we often lost games in the last 15 minutes when visibly flagging and as mentioned john terry even commented on that fact - fitness wasnt great by any means under mon - he wasn't exactly at the training ground all that often himself - fitness under him I would say was definately a problem.
I feel di canio is correct is in assmption as was houllier .
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MON seems to be pointing people towards the current Villa side which is an even bigger joke as almost the whole squad has changed.
Even if we were very fit (which we weren't - people are quite right to point out the drop after 60 minutes of a match or the infamous March drop-off), it would have been his coaches responsible for the fitness. MON was too busy watching recordings of NFL matches on a Monday morning to know what his players were like in training. Very professional that.
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"I was very disappointed at the outcome. I think I would have garnered the five points necessary to have stayed up and [had] the chance maybe to have changed the side."
Keep talking out your arse, MON. I doubt there's a single Sunderland supporter that would agree with you.
Charlatan? Pot calls kettle black.
Surprised he has made any comments, don't recall him doing it before but perhaps he is just trying to rewrite history. He didn't seem quite right in himself the whole time he was at Sunderland for whatever reason.
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Taking nutrition advise from John Robertson says everything you need to know about MON.
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An amusing read but all Villa-tinted-Mon-bashing aside, I do find it a bit sad that he is clearly a bitter man and takes any criticism very badly indeed.
I can imagine him frothing at the gash to put the boot into Di Canio ever since he replaced him. Would no doubt have been effing and blinding him and Sunderland as a club the day they beat Newcastle last season and Di Canio did his exuberant celebration.
As for soccer (never "footy" or "football") in EIRE, among the main field team sports it probably has the most consistently high level of interest if you take it on a region by region basis. Rugby, hurling and Gaelic Football are all hugely popular in certain areas but there's plenty of pockets where one (or two) of the three is under-represented. Whereas I'm pretty sure each of the 26 counties in the Republic and 6 in the north have their own local leagues, mostly from schoolboy to adult level. Don't think you could say the same for the others. Hurling is massive in my hometown, gaelic-football is a joke there with no interest whatsoever and the soccer team (one of twenty two clubs which comprise the only two senior divisions), folded six years ago due to lack of interest*. In fact, I imagine the FAI breathe a sigh of relief if the domestic game manages to go a season without one of the clubs going bust. The lack of investment and therefore interest in the national league is chronic and pretty shameful really - notwithstanding the occasional boon and over-achievement such as Shamrock Rovers (never to be abbreviated as "Shamrock". Rovers only!) getting into the Wafer Cup group stages the other year where they lost every game and sold us a pup (de lad Enda).
*There are still local, amateur soccer leagues in my town/county though with a decent number of clubs (any urban centre will tend to have from 2-10 depending on the size of the town/city, plus the surrounding villages and bigger townlands in rural areas). But there is no local gaelic football league or clubs there.
And considering each GAA club (again, representing a village or urban area but also, quite frequently a parish) will always have one or both of a hurling and gaelic football team, in theory it wouldn't take a huge effort to field a team of whichever of the two is less popular as the pitches and facilites are already in place. Local soccer clubs encounter more difficulties and the GAA would not be quick to assist them (the "foreign games" mentality still exists, if far less than before - the opening-up of Croke Park to the Irish national team in the 00's a big turning point although that was hardly for altruistic reasons. Renting it to the FAI would have boosted the GAA's coffers quite substantially for an amateur organisation).
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The March 'drop-off' is a footballing myth.
Yes, O'Neill's record in March was poor. Equally, in three seasons out of four, his teams had a good April/May.
Knackered? Not on results.
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The March 'drop-off' is a footballing myth.
Yes, O'Neill's record in March was poor. Equally, in three seasons out of four, his teams had a good April/May.
Knackered? Not on results.
I don't recall him losing any competitive games in June or July so put your money on Ireland for the next Euros.
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I see Keane is expressing an interest in Stephen Ireland - why have two stubborn loose cannons when you can have three :)
Keane comments on mon below-
Roy Keane has returned to the Republic of Ireland fold, insisting he is no monster.
The former Manchester United skipper stepped back into the line of fire with his country this week, as the controversial choice as assistant to new boss Martin O’Neill.
But Keane said: “There’s nothing to tame. I’m not some sort of animal.
“I’m a footballing man. I work hard and push people – sometimes I’ve got that slightly wrong over the years. But I think I got a lot of it right.”
However, the man who caused a national crisis when he walked out of the World Cup squad on the eve of the 2002 tournament believes his reputation as a trouble-maker may work in his favour.
“Hopefully they are in for a pleasant surprise – particularly the lads who haven’t worked with me," he added.
“I know people can believe what they hear and read. If they’re thinking some monster’s going to turn up – and, all of a sudden, I’m quite placid.”
O’Neill described their partnership as “bad cop and bad, bad cop” but Keane said: “I think it’s going to be the other way round, I think I am going to have to be the good cop.
“You obviously don’t know Martin as well as you think you do. He makes me look like Mother Teresa. It should be interesting.”
Keane said he spoke to players in the squad he previously criticised while a manager or TV pundit, adding “I hope we’re OK with each other. There’s not any tension.”
The 42-year-old Old Trafford icon was described as "frightening" by his former United boss Alex Ferguson in his new book.
Fergie wrote: “The hardest part of Roy's body is his tongue. He has the most savage tongue you can imagine. He can debilitate the most confident person in the world in seconds with that tongue.
“What I noticed about him that day when I was arguing with him was that his eyes started to narrow, almost to wee black beads. It was frightening to watch. And I'm from Glasgow."
Keane admits he has learned lessons from his spells as manager of Sunderland and Ipswich.
Keane believes his time at the two clubs has been judged unfairly, although he concedes there were plenty of things he would do differently.
He said: “Where do you want to start? We could be here all day.
“The area where I certainly need to improve, and every club manager would say the same, is recruitment.”
But he is disappointed not to have been offered another chance since leaving Portman Road in 2011.
He maintained: “I have no problems with clubs not giving me an opportunity but I would say that some clubs should certainly have spoken to me over the last year or two.
“I felt clubs should have given me another opportunity to get back into football. Not every job, don’t get me wrong, I’m not waiting for the phone to ring.
“But there’s a few clubs I’ve looked at and went ‘I think that would suit me, that would suit my personality’.
“I think I did OK at Sunderland. Even at Ipswich we did OK. But that’s for another day. It’s a long story.”
Keane insists his desire to succeed is as strong as ever but denied he would walk out on Ireland if a leading club knocked on his door.
“I don’t think that will happen,” he said. “You have to live in the now instead of worrying about what might happen.
“You could be sitting at home for the next year or two waiting for the opportunity but the opportunity has come to work with Martin O’Neill and I feel very lucky.”
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Regarding Ireland, it will be interesting if we finally get MON's side on how the Ireland/Milner transfer came about.
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He instigated it...
Nope, I am not getting into talking about him again.
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He instigated it...
Nope, I am not getting into talking about him again.
Hope you had a good holiday chelts, I'm sure our win will have helped :)
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I did Chief. Weather worked out nicely and the nipper loved it, particularly going on a plane.
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I did Chief. Weather worked out nicely and the nipper loved it, particularly going on a plane.
Did you meet Dan?
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Di Canio agrees with the H&V consensus on one thing then.
Paolo Di Canio has defended his record as Sunderland manager and furiously denied accusations from Martin O'Neill that he was a "charlatan".
The fiery Italian took over from O'Neill at the Stadium of Light in March, but he was sacked in September after the club picked up only one point from their first five games this season.
New Republic of Ireland boss O'Neill branded Di Canio 'a charlatan' earlier this week, but the former Italy international insisted he saved a club that was "already sunk".
Speaking in an exclusive interview with Sky Sports News, Di Canio said: "I don't know if he knows the meaning of this word charlatan. Probably I can teach him, even if I am not English.
"I respect the opinion of manager Martin O'Neill but the fact that he spoke after six months, not straight away, that proves what kind of level he is. He is not very big.
"A charlatan is a manager who spends £40m to be a top 10 club and then sees the club sink into the relegation zone."
Di Canio also stood by his criticism of the condition of the Sunderland players when he took over, describing their fitness levels as "pathetic".
"I had players who told me they had cramps from driving the car," he said. "I had three players with injuries in the calf after 20 minutes of a game. Six different players with problems means they were not fit."
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Interesting comments from PDC - I agree with him , sunderland looked dead and buried under mon and I think they would have gone down - fitness issues seem to ring a bell too .
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To be honest, that rant about Di Canio by MON was outrageous. He shouldn't be pointing out a fellow manager's failings, especially at a club where he failed himself.
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To be honest, that rant about Di Canio by MON was outrageous. He shouldn't be pointing out a fellow manager's failings, especially at a club where he failed himself.
Totally agree.
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Regarding Ireland, it will be interesting if we finally get MON's side on how the Ireland/Milner transfer came about.
he was asked about it by the Irish media, Stephen Ireland player you signed etc etc, MON's response was a bit cryptic. Said he didnt know Ireland that much and he arrived around the time he was leaving. A lot was happening back then etc etc and then a joke how he would tell them (journalists) the full story some other time.
for what its worth, the FAI should instruct every Irish manager never to contemplate picking Stephen Ireland
Di Canio agrees with the H&V consensus on one thing then.
Paolo Di Canio has defended his record as Sunderland manager and furiously denied accusations from Martin O'Neill that he was a "charlatan".
The fiery Italian took over from O'Neill at the Stadium of Light in March, but he was sacked in September after the club picked up only one point from their first five games this season.
New Republic of Ireland boss O'Neill branded Di Canio 'a charlatan' earlier this week, but the former Italy international insisted he saved a club that was "already sunk".
Speaking in an exclusive interview with Sky Sports News, Di Canio said: "I don't know if he knows the meaning of this word charlatan. Probably I can teach him, even if I am not English.
"I respect the opinion of manager Martin O'Neill but the fact that he spoke after six months, not straight away, that proves what kind of level he is. He is not very big.
"A charlatan is a manager who spends £40m to be a top 10 club and then sees the club sink into the relegation zone."
Di Canio also stood by his criticism of the condition of the Sunderland players when he took over, describing their fitness levels as "pathetic".
"I had players who told me they had cramps from driving the car," he said. "I had three players with injuries in the calf after 20 minutes of a game. Six different players with problems means they were not fit."
good response from Di Canio. MON's ego has clearly been stung but I think Di Canio is well able for him here. Di Canio needs to keep his profile high at the moment so this should run a bit longer. Di Canio of course was a joke of a manager too but he is entitled to stand up for himself.
On the Irish Times podcast this week, Jonathan Wilson had some interesting tales about MON and Keane. Wilson is of course a big Sunderland fan. Sunderland board kept buying MON mobile phones which he couldnt or wouldnt use. Couldnt be contacted for days at end. He wouldnt be up in Sunderland for a lot of the week and the training under Walford was by all accounts a bit of a shambles where the fitness of players certainly was a valid issue. Wilson (whose sources would be impeccable I suspect) also felt the issue of the mobile phone at Villa and general communication with directors was a big problem at Villa and also latterly at Sunderland. Cant get over the neck of the man to be honest. Not communicating with his employers, managing an unfit team and all this after spending 40m!!!
MON according to Wilson, in a damning indictment really, was yesterday's man in terms of club management, certainly the end of his reign at Sunderland reeked of unprofessionalism and laziness frankly. The lack of scouting outside Britain, failure to improve himself tactically, presiding over an unfit team and the failure to surround himself with a backroom staff that could tackle his failings. Roy Keane at Sunderland according to Wilson had the same faults when things started to go wrong, ignoring calls from the board despite horrible results and staying away from the club generally. MON and Keane clearly guilty of copying Clough like behaviour without having anything of his personality or success to back it up.
Wilson ironically thinks its a decent appointment and that MON should be more cut out for international management now. Thats worrying for me, that he will take the piss out of the Irish job like he did at Sunderland and maybe leave Keane as the patsy to carry the can.
Its an excellent podcast to be fair, Second Captains Irish Times 05/11. The Wilson interview is the last 15mins or so but interviews with Niall Quinn, Richie Sadlier, Brian Kerr and Wilson throughout the hour.
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To be honest, that rant about Di Canio by MON was outrageous. He shouldn't be pointing out a fellow manager's failings, especially at a club where he failed himself.
It was pretty outrageous, agree with you there.
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I can well believe the mobile phones stories - mon is apparently notorious with not getting back to people or contacting them days later when they call him - I think he followed the cloughie guide to management but without the tactical nous of cloughie or the eagle eyes peter Taylor to spot a player .
Mon is in many ways stuck in a time warp regarding modern methods and management - the Irish job may suit him and he may be hero worshipped if successful - qualification for the euros is not beyond him .
Man management and motivation are his main attributes .
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I can well believe the mobile phones stories - mon is apparently notorious with not getting back to people or contacting them days later when they call him - I think he followed the cloughie guide to management but without the tactical nous of cloughie or the eagle eyes peter Taylor to spot a player .
Mon is in many ways stuck in a time warp regarding modern methods and management - the Irish job may suit him and he may be hero worshipped if successful - qualification for the euros is not beyond him .
Man management and motivation are his main attributes .
Surely at international level you need modern methods and management too though? Granted 24 teams out of 53 qualify for the Euros so maybe the arm around the shoulder and stirring speeches in the dressing room might be enough.
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They're just as bad as each other to be honest. PDC can sit there and claim that O Neill wouldn't have pulled off two wins and the points required to stay up. Honestly I think he probably would have in the end, and they'd have started better this season too had O Neill spent Di Canios money on 3-4 O Neill signings rather than 15 new players.
Di Canio is far too much of a clown to manage at the top level. O Neill is past it at club footy. Both are gobshites.
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I can well believe the mobile phones stories - mon is apparently notorious with not getting back to people or contacting them days later when they call him - I think he followed the cloughie guide to management but without the tactical nous of cloughie or the eagle eyes peter Taylor to spot a player .
Mon is in many ways stuck in a time warp regarding modern methods and management - the Irish job may suit him and he may be hero worshipped if successful - qualification for the euros is not beyond him .
Man management and motivation are his main attributes .
Surely at international level you need modern methods and management too though? Granted 24 teams out of 53 qualify for the Euros so maybe the arm around the shoulder and stirring speeches in the dressing room might be enough.
True, but then again, he is going to be managing Ireland, he's not going to have a great deal of high quality material to work with, so I don't really think being a tactical genius as a manager is that useful.
Plus, you're only seeing your players on and infrequent basis (mind you, by the sounds of it, he's well versed in that bit) so there's a limit to how much work you can do with them.
The best he can really do with Ireland is motivate them, bring about a modicum of organisation, and hope for the best.
And that's not me being patronising to Irish football. I'd go as far as to say that that, to a considerable degree, is the best Hodgson can hope for with England, too. Which is why I like him as England manager, he's a manager who above all knows how to organise a side.
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They're just as bad as each other to be honest. PDC can sit there and claim that O Neill wouldn't have pulled off two wins and the points required to stay up. Honestly I think he probably would have in the end, and they'd have started better this season too had O Neill spent Di Canios money on 3-4 O Neill signings rather than 15 new players.
Di Canio is far too much of a clown to manage at the top level. O Neill is past it at club footy. Both are gobshites.
Agreed, MON is yesterday's man and Di Canio is a mental lower leagues manager who should never have been within spitting distance of a job in the top flight.
I also saw the MON interview on SSN when he was talking about Sunderland, and he said in a rather dismissive, sniffy way that there was no way he wouldn't have got the five points from seven matches that it would have taken to keep them up.
Having seen a bit of Sunderland last season, I find it hard to believe he would have. They survived largely due to the new manager bounce, plus a bit of luck.
It might have been decent to see them go down under MON just for his colossal ego to take a kicking.
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I'm not sure how MON man management skills will translate to international football , after all he can't just whack average players on huge salaries to get on going.
PDC is a dickhead but MON lacked class by making derogatory comments about him given the situation Sunderland where in where he was replaced !!
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I think he will do very well.
It is undeniable that O’Neill has managed to cultivate an aura about himself, which was one of the reasons he bailed on us to help protect “brand O’Neill”. While we may have been able to look behind the curtain and to continue a mixed metaphor, his failure at Sunderland should have lifted the veil for many, the cult of personality remains.
Players want to play for him. The irregular meetings of international football will not see his methods exposed, because ultimately you are reliant on the clubs to get your players fit, while his own sizeable contract aside, no financial catastrophe is hiding away in the near future.
He will qualify for a tournament, have a decent run at the group and get another job in the Premier League.
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I wonder if MON has a contract to mention Brian Clough when ever he is asked about his management skills?
I really hope he comes out and says why he left and also why 4 days before the season started.
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I wonder if MON has a contract to mention Brian Clough when ever he is asked about his management skills?
I really hope he comes out and says why he left and also why 4 days before the season started.
He can mention Cloughie all he likes. He will never be as good as him. Also if he is copying OBE's methods from 30 years ago then no wonder he has stalled. The game has moved on. Extensive scouting, squad rotation and fitness and conditioning are needed.
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I think he will do very well.
It is undeniable that O’Neill has managed to cultivate an aura about himself, which was one of the reasons he bailed on us to help protect “brand O’Neill”. While we may have been able to look behind the curtain and to continue a mixed metaphor, his failure at Sunderland should have lifted the veil for many, the cult of personality remains.
Players want to play for him. The irregular meetings of international football will not see his methods exposed, because ultimately you are reliant on the clubs to get your players fit, while his own sizeable contract aside, no financial catastrophe is hiding away in the near future.
He will qualify for a tournament, have a decent run at the group and get another job in the Premier League.
No way mon will get another job in the premier league - that ship has sailed.
He is already in his 60s- He will probably do a 4 yr stint with the Irish followed by tv work .
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I think he will do very well.
It is undeniable that O’Neill has managed to cultivate an aura about himself, which was one of the reasons he bailed on us to help protect “brand O’Neill”. While we may have been able to look behind the curtain and to continue a mixed metaphor, his failure at Sunderland should have lifted the veil for many, the cult of personality remains.
Players want to play for him. The irregular meetings of international football will not see his methods exposed, because ultimately you are reliant on the clubs to get your players fit, while his own sizeable contract aside, no financial catastrophe is hiding away in the near future.
He will qualify for a tournament, have a decent run at the group and get another job in the Premier League.
He won't be expected to have great success with the pool of players at his disposal, so an above average performance in a tournament would keep his management record in the plus column, so probably an ideal job to run down to eventual retirement and punditry. ;)
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You're all wrong. O Neill will finally get his big job at Man Utd in a years time.
;)
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Just caught mons aftermatch press conference - seemed more interested in having another pop at di canio than anything else - clearly PDC has ruffled his feathers.
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Just caught mons aftermatch press conference - seemed more interested in having another pop at di canio than anything else - clearly PDC has ruffled his feathers.
I don't think either of them are the type to shut up and move on. This one could run for years.
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You're all wrong. O Neill will finally get his big job at Man Utd in a years time.
;)
What Job will that be? It won't be the Manager's so what else? . Man U employ 100's of people. Please elucidate - I'm as excited as the garralous maverick himself. Tea Lady? Meet and Greet at Club Shop? Head of IT? Maybe something more Part Time as befitting his approach to work? Corporate Matchday Prawn Sandwich server?
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You're all wrong. O Neill will finally get his big job at Man Utd in a years time.
;)
What Job will that be? It won't be the Manager's so what else? . Man U employ 100's of people. Please elucidate - I'm as excited as the garralous maverick himself. Tea Lady? Meet and Greet at Club Shop? Head of IT? Maybe something more Part Time as befitting his approach to work? Corporate Matchday Prawn Sandwich server?
General manager in charge of scouting, recruitment and contracts/wages.
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You're all wrong. O Neill will finally get his big job at Man Utd in a years time.
;)
What Job will that be? It won't be the Manager's so what else? . Man U employ 100's of people. Please elucidate - I'm as excited as the garralous maverick himself. Tea Lady? Meet and Greet at Club Shop? Head of IT? Maybe something more Part Time as befitting his approach to work? Corporate Matchday Prawn Sandwich server?
General manager in charge of scouting, recruitment and contracts/wages.
It's actually general manager of overseas scouting, but you were close enough.
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I think he will do very well.
It is undeniable that O’Neill has managed to cultivate an aura about himself, which was one of the reasons he bailed on us to help protect “brand O’Neill”. .
What ever went on behind the scenes, I very much felt this was part of what happened. I know we finished 6th but I certainly wasn't very optimistic about the season ahead and that was before he walked out.
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His demeanour in pre season told a tale that his heart wasnt in it any more.
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His demeanour in pre season told a tale that his heart wasnt in it any more.
I think they probably disagreed over finances and once the money was longer there he realised things would only slide - he had took us as far as he could but in honesty with the money at his disposal his best wasnt good enough - we should have achieved more with that outlay.
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His demeanour in pre season told a tale that his heart wasnt in it any more.
His demeanour in pre season told a tale that he'd been found out.
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...or, of course, he realised that he wouldn't be able to strengthen his squad for a further challenge, as he couldn't bring in new players until others left.
Sadly, we know how it goes: if clubs know you need to sell, buyers offer derisory fees or wait till the end of the window, hoping you get increasingly desperate to sell and make a killing.
Frustration drove O'Neill away, in my opinion -not that he should have spent all the cash he did without some clear oversight in place.
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Nope. I am not doing this conversation again. My very quick position is simple. He got asked to do what plenty of managers had been before, thought it didnt fit with his press portrait and fucked us off.
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Nope. I am not doing this conversation again. My very quick position is simple. He got asked to do what plenty of managers had been before, thought it didnt fit with his press portrait and fucked us off.
Agreed. He pissed off the moment things got a bit tough. Wouldn't want that twunt in any trench in prior times. A fraud.
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And I think he thought he was going to get the Liverpool job.
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Nope. I am not doing this conversation again. My very quick position is simple. He got asked to do what plenty of managers had been before, thought it didnt fit with his press portrait and fucked us off.
Agreed. He pissed off the moment things got a bit tough. Wouldn't want that twunt in any trench in prior times. A fraud.
I think O Neill probably realised deep down that we'd regress. Better to leave a top 6 club than wait a year and leave a club that finishes 10th I guess. Regardless of the impact of our manager sodding off a week before the start of the season, there was very much a feeling over the whole summer despite getting our highest points haul since Little, we'd hit a wall. We'd got as close as we were ever going to get to breaking the top 4, and the well had run dry trying to do it.
It also seemed inevitable that we'd start shedding players like Milner and Young etc as they wanted to be playing in the CL.
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Just caught mons aftermatch press conference - seemed more interested in having another pop at di canio than anything else - clearly PDC has ruffled his feathers.
He's always been a tense niggly character. Remember when Wenger had a pop at us one time for playing long ball, MON was still bringing it up in interviews after games three weeks later.
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Nope. I am not doing this conversation again. My very quick position is simple. He got asked to do what plenty of managers had been before, thought it didnt fit with his press portrait and fucked us off.
Agreed. He pissed off the moment things got a bit tough. Wouldn't want that twunt in any trench in prior times. A fraud.
I think O Neill probably realised deep down that we'd regress. Better to leave a top 6 club than wait a year and leave a club that finishes 10th I guess. Regardless of the impact of our manager sodding off a week before the start of the season, there was very much a feeling over the whole summer despite getting our highest points haul since Little, we'd hit a wall. We'd got as close as we were ever going to get to breaking the top 4, and the well had run dry trying to do it.
It also seemed inevitable that we'd start shedding players like Milner and Young etc as they wanted to be playing in the CL.
I think that aswell but that season despite the chaos we still finished 9th (somehow) and I'm sure we weren't miles off 6th or 7th pointswise.
I think we'd have got a pretty boring season of being in around 7-8th but after the near misses of the previous two seasons we wouldn't have been in top 4 contention so I think he'd have gone at the end of that season.
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Nope. I am not doing this conversation again. My very quick position is simple. He got asked to do what plenty of managers had been before, thought it didnt fit with his press portrait and fucked us off.
Agreed. He pissed off the moment things got a bit tough. Wouldn't want that twunt in any trench in prior times. A fraud.
I think O Neill probably realised deep down that we'd regress. Better to leave a top 6 club than wait a year and leave a club that finishes 10th I guess. Regardless of the impact of our manager sodding off a week before the start of the season, there was very much a feeling over the whole summer despite getting our highest points haul since Little, we'd hit a wall. We'd got as close as we were ever going to get to breaking the top 4, and the well had run dry trying to do it.
It also seemed inevitable that we'd start shedding players like Milner and Young etc as they wanted to be playing in the CL.
I think that aswell but that season despite the chaos we still finished 9th (somehow) and I'm sure we weren't miles off 6th or 7th pointswise.
I think we'd have got a pretty boring season of being in around 7-8th but after the near misses of the previous two seasons we wouldn't have been in top 4 contention so I think he'd have gone at the end of that season.
IIRC we were in the relegation mix until we won our last 2 games against Arsenal and Liverpool.
I reckon you are right though, at the time I thought MON had one season left in him and would leave in the summer of 2011.
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If people don't want 'this conversation', they can always choose not to post...
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Nope. I am not doing this conversation again. My very quick position is simple. He got asked to do what plenty of managers had been before, thought it didnt fit with his press portrait and fucked us off.
Agreed. He pissed off the moment things got a bit tough. Wouldn't want that twunt in any trench in prior times. A fraud.
I think O Neill probably realised deep down that we'd regress. Better to leave a top 6 club than wait a year and leave a club that finishes 10th I guess. Regardless of the impact of our manager sodding off a week before the start of the season, there was very much a feeling over the whole summer despite getting our highest points haul since Little, we'd hit a wall. We'd got as close as we were ever going to get to breaking the top 4, and the well had run dry trying to do it.
It also seemed inevitable that we'd start shedding players like Milner and Young etc as they wanted to be playing in the CL.
I think that aswell but that season despite the chaos we still finished 9th (somehow) and I'm sure we weren't miles off 6th or 7th pointswise.
I think we'd have got a pretty boring season of being in around 7-8th but after the near misses of the previous two seasons we wouldn't have been in top 4 contention so I think he'd have gone at the end of that season.
IIRC we were in the relegation mix until we won our last 2 games against Arsenal and Liverpool.
I reckon you are right though, at the time I thought MON had one season left in him and would leave in the summer of 2011.
Some people seem to have blocked most of the Houllier season from their memories. I keep hearing how we have been involved in relegation battles for the last two seasons. Despite the eventual ninth place finish we have been in relegation battles for the last three seasons.
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We were also quite lucky to finish 9th on only 48 points. IIRC in O Neills first season we finished 11th on 50 points, which is around about right for that tally generally ( he says without double checking).
That we finished 9th flattered us, and we also played Liverpool and Arsenal at the right time really. They'd both got one eye on their holidays.
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In 2010-11 it was a relegation struggle to about the 34th game or so? I remember us being on 33 points after 30 games with a very tough run in.
Beating Newcastle and West Ham in that run more or less guaranteed our safety and the unexpected points against Arsenal and Liverpool put a nice shine on a rotten season.
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Nope. I am not doing this conversation again. My very quick position is simple. He got asked to do what plenty of managers had been before, thought it didnt fit with his press portrait and fucked us off.
Agreed. He pissed off the moment things got a bit tough. Wouldn't want that twunt in any trench in prior times. A fraud.
I think O Neill probably realised deep down that we'd regress. Better to leave a top 6 club than wait a year and leave a club that finishes 10th I guess. Regardless of the impact of our manager sodding off a week before the start of the season, there was very much a feeling over the whole summer despite getting our highest points haul since Little, we'd hit a wall. We'd got as close as we were ever going to get to breaking the top 4, and the well had run dry trying to do it.
It also seemed inevitable that we'd start shedding players like Milner and Young etc as they wanted to be playing in the CL.
I think that aswell but that season despite the chaos we still finished 9th (somehow) and I'm sure we weren't miles off 6th or 7th pointswise.
I think we'd have got a pretty boring season of being in around 7-8th but after the near misses of the previous two seasons we wouldn't have been in top 4 contention so I think he'd have gone at the end of that season.
IIRC we were in the relegation mix until we won our last 2 games against Arsenal and Liverpool.
I reckon you are right though, at the time I thought MON had one season left in him and would leave in the summer of 2011.
I think we were in with a mathematical chance of relegation before those last two games, but really speaking had pulled clear. The run we had the 2nd hlf of that season post signing bent was top 6 form.
How the season would have gone if MON has stayed is pure speculation. Personally, I think we would have stayed 6th or at least very close to it.
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Seems that Ellis short is a bit of a dodgy one - di canio says he wanted to buy British and that none of the 14 players in the summer were bought by him or chosen -poyet says he's been shown 4 names regarding January and if one of them comes in poyet will walk out - surprised mon didnt walk himself if such constraints were put on managers.
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You think it was Ellis Short who decided to vastly over pay for Danny Graham, Adam Johnson + Steven Fletcher.