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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on May 11, 2013, 02:19:24 PM
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From 2.30pm
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I enjoyed the physio's arse.
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Very unlucky to lose today - we played well and until bentekes sending off looked more likely to add to the lead - i really can't see wigan beating arsenal though so feel we are still pretty much safe .
Credit to all our players today but Delph i thought was man of match.
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Benteke's still brilliant, but he stupidly cost us today.
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has it finished yet?
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Sigh
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Benteke out for final game is a problem. I really fucking hate Chelsea.
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Thought we we're excellent today. Just unlucky, naive and inexperienced.
Gutted but proud
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Now sky, show Stan
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C'mon Arsenal! (on Tuesday night only.....)
Bish
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Benteke's still brilliant, but he stupidly cost us today.
The elbow yes, but the second yellow, he was clearly looking at the ball all the way to his foot, and Terry did everything to ensure a red.
I don't buy into us bottling it either, we gave them a damned good game, and easily deserved a point or more.
Terry is a genital wart on English football and should be condemned to a hole in the ground and fed shit for the rest of his days.
And Lampard, loathesome twat.
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First the Ferguson Sky wankfest now Fat Fwank wankfest begins.
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Benteke out for final game is a problem. I really fucking hate Chelsea.
Bent will score 3
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It looked so comfortable until the 58th minute. Nothing that came after was a surprise. I thought Delph and Sylla were magnificent today. And I thought Lichaj had a good game, as did the rest of the back four.
Come on Arsenal. Hoping for a load of injuries, suspensions, and extra time in the cup final.
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Im Gooner on Wednesday
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Benteke out for final game is a problem. I really fucking hate Chelsea.
It won't really be if Wigan lose in the week and there are going to be at least two other clubs in the mix after tomorrow's games I reckon with less points than us. Sunderland and Newcastle for me as I think the former will lose to Southampton and I have a sneaky feeling for QPR beating the latter
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Not only did it cost us today but CB out for the Wigan game is the last thing we need.
Please fuck off to MLS as well Lampard.
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Half an hour t go, 1-0 up, cruising, and a very ordinary looking Chelsea down to 10 men it should have been thank you and good night. Surely only Villa could fuck it up so royally from such a position. We've made a habit of stupid pointless mistakes this season and for all his good work this season Benteke's stupidity has put us right back in the shit. He'd already got away with it once and didn't learn. Fuckwit. If we end up going down it will that moment that swung it. Going to Wigan with him I'd fancy us to get something, without him I think we'll struggle. So we have to rely on Arsenal. Fucking pathetic.
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Benteke's still brilliant, but he stupidly cost us today.
The elbow yes, but the second yellow, he was clearly looking at the ball all the way to his foot, and Terry did everything to ensure a red.
I don't buy into us bottling it either, we gave them a damned good game, and easily deserved a point or more.
Terry is a genital wart on English football and should be condemned to a hole in the ground and fed shit for the rest of his days.
And Lampard, loathesome twat.
We certainly never bottled it - we played well and deserved at least a draw - regarding the sending off i don't think we can have too many complaints as it for 2 yellows .
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We played well, but we were the masters of our own downfall today, as usual. Let's hope and pray Arsenal can do their duty now, because I don't fancy a Benteke-less Villa winning at Wigan.
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Benteke's still brilliant, but he stupidly cost us today.
The elbow yes, but the second yellow, he was clearly looking at the ball all the way to his foot, and Terry did everything to ensure a red.
I don't buy into us bottling it either, we gave them a damned good game, and easily deserved a point or more.
Terry is a genital wart on English football and should be condemned to a hole in the ground and fed shit for the rest of his days.
And Lampard, loathesome twat.
We certainly never bottled it - we played well and deserved at least a draw - regarding the sending off i don't think we can have too many complaints as it for 2 yellows .
Agreed Lambert should really have taken him off at half time.
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Benteke's still brilliant, but he stupidly cost us today.
The elbow yes, but the second yellow, he was clearly looking at the ball all the way to his foot, and Terry did everything to ensure a red.
By kicking him, Benteke deserved a second yellow card. It doesn't matter if he was looking at the ball or not, he followed through into Terry and was correctly yellow-carded.
And loathsome though he is, Terry did nothing more than Gabby did when Ramires fouled him.
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That game was ridiculously under our control before Tekkers' moment of madness. I guess it wouldn't been too easy to see it out. Doesn't make a lot of difference really but would've been nice to end the season on a high. Midfield three were absolutely superb today though. Sylla my MOTM. Have to say Weimann was terrible. Most of our attacking moves ended with him. At least with Benteke out next game, he can go back to being a central striker. At the end of the day, I'm not going to allow myself to get too upset with this.
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John Terry's injured, nothing trivial I'm hoping.
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What a scumsucking shitbag, weasily, asshole, piece of crap, worm puke, ball sweating, disgrace of a club. Cannot fucking stand Chelsea. The bloody lot of them. The only consolation is that the King of Scummy bastards Terry didn't score, or sideshow Bob. They're utterly pathetic.
Again we shoot ourselves in the foot. Gift a win, in a game, up until Tekkers sending off, we had all but in the bag. Aside from our usual footballing suicide we actually played very well, particularly going forward. If Gabby and Delph had their shooting boots to day, it could have been all over, even before Tekkers got himself moronically sent off.
Man of the match for me was Sylla by some way. The lad was immense today. Brilliant in every aspect, defensively and going forward. He looked superb.
Lambert should have made a change or two as well. Wiemann was breathing out his arse after 60 minutes.
Play like this against Wigan and we send them down.
Merry Christmas Frank. It's a bit early I know.
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I think both sending off's were shit and after the first Mason was eager to even it up.
No subs was weird especially as both Gabby and Weimann where below par.
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Delph, Westwood, Sylla and Bennett all did well in fairness, but before the 2nd goal we should have made changes. 2 central midfielder we trust to help in that situation would be nice in the summer! Dead on our feet. A big focal point of the side if Benteke is out is a must too.
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Predictable result but I still think we'll be ok, other teams look more in trouble than us. And I cant see Wigan beating Arsenal.
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Im Gooner on Wednesday
I'll be a Gooner on Tuesday....
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Im Gooner on Wednesday
I'll be a Gooner on Tuesday....
ah ...ye....im just celebrating their win the next day ;-)
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Absolute suicide today. Gutless and stupid.
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We didn't deserve to lose. The midfield three were brilliant. Chelsea have the best midfield in the league by some distance and we more than matched them today.
Benteke's second yellow was more occupational hazard than anything. His eyes were on the ball and he stretched ti get a touch on it. Shame, at that point Chelsea were hanging on.
The second goal came more from our fatigue more than anything. We need better options on the bench.
And well played the defence. We looked very solid.
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Benteke's still brilliant, but he stupidly cost us today.
The elbow yes, but the second yellow, he was clearly looking at the ball all the way to his foot, and Terry did everything to ensure a red.
By kicking him, Benteke deserved a second yellow card. It doesn't matter if he was looking at the ball or not, he followed through into Terry and was correctly yellow-carded.
And loathsome though he is, Terry did nothing more than Gabby did when Ramires fouled him.
This is all true. The red card for Benteke was definitely fair. However, Terry shouldn't still have been on the pitch by then anyway.
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Half an hour t go, 1-0 up, cruising, and a very ordinary looking Chelsea down to 10 men it should have been thank you and good night. Surely only Villa could fuck it up so royally from such a position. We've made a habit of stupid pointless mistakes this season and for all his good work this season Benteke's stupidity has put us right back in the shit. He'd already got away with it once and didn't learn. Fuckwit. If we end up going down it will that moment that swung it. Going to Wigan with him I'd fancy us to get something, without him I think we'll struggle. So we have to rely on Arsenal. Fucking pathetic.
Really?
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Benteke's still brilliant, but he stupidly cost us today.
The elbow yes, but the second yellow, he was clearly looking at the ball all the way to his foot, and Terry did everything to ensure a red.
By kicking him, Benteke deserved a second yellow card. It doesn't matter if he was looking at the ball or not, he followed through into Terry and was correctly yellow-carded.
And loathsome though he is, Terry did nothing more than Gabby did when Ramires fouled him.
Eyes all the way on the ball. Terry made damn sure. Should have gone himself earlier. He is a thug that tries to run games he plays and managers at his club. Fair play to FSW for not giving him the time of day this season.
Ramirez got away with a couple before the Gabby one, and he could see the player. Benteke had no clue and was up to bring it down.
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Really.
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Absolute suicide today. Gutless and stupid.
Gutless? Absolute bollox in my opinion of course.
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We played well, but we were the masters of our own downfall today, as usual. Let's hope and pray Arsenal can do their duty now, because I don't fancy a Benteke-less Villa winning at Wigan.
Villa won't need to win at Wigan. A draw is the most we will need. Today was typical of so many games, we cannot keep a clean sheet nor hold out.
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I agree with Dave about Benteke. Given the match situation - us ahead and in total control, against 10 men, with a trigger happy ref, holding the 3 points that would guarantee we stay up, having already seen someone get carded for a high challenge - it was a pretty brainless thing to do. And it changed the match completely and in their favour.
Wouldn't say the rest of them bottled it though. They tried very hard but CB has become such a towering figure for us that we were half the side without him on the pitch. Impressed with Delph though - full of pace, power and running. Gabby's renaissance continues too.
Remains to be seen how costly that sending off will be ultimately.
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Wigan won't beat Arsenal. Norwich won't pick up another win this season either. If Newcastle don't beat QPR, they've no hope.
I think Arsenal will be fired up for the Wigan game. They absolutely have to win it and they'll want to finish above Spurs at all costs.
I really hope Mourinho doesn't go to Chelsea. He could have them pushing for the league again, and we can't have those wankers winning it. Best of bloody luck to Moyes.
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Christ, give the guys some support....we didnt win but cant anyone show the signs!?
Anyway...here's Stan
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Stan and lap on screen now.
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Absolute suicide today. Gutless and stupid.
How is it gutless? What a ridiculous statement? We almost scored through Westwood 30 seconds before and still had them pinned back afterward. Not matching twunts run was naive, but gutless? Really??
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If we play like that vs Wigan, we'll be absolutely fine.
Bish
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We played well, but we were the masters of our own downfall today, as usual. Let's hope and pray Arsenal can do their duty now, because I don't fancy a Benteke-less Villa winning at Wigan.
Villa won't need to win at Wigan. A draw is the most we will need. Today was typical of so many games, we cannot keep a clean sheet nor hold out.
Going there and needing a draw would be stressful beyond belief.
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If that had been Bennett, I would be fuming. But how can you feel anything but love for the big guy. He has kept us within touching distance of staying up.
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Gabby has a lot of ginger kids around him....are they all his?
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Same old defence problems. Hopefully we won't need any more points.
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Oh give it a rest about Frank
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Half an hour t go, 1-0 up, cruising, and a very ordinary looking Chelsea down to 10 men it should have been thank you and good night. Surely only Villa could fuck it up so royally from such a position. We've made a habit of stupid pointless mistakes this season and for all his good work this season Benteke's stupidity has put us right back in the shit. He'd already got away with it once and didn't learn. Fuckwit. If we end up going down it will that moment that swung it. Going to Wigan with him I'd fancy us to get something, without him I think we'll struggle. So we have to rely on Arsenal. Fucking pathetic.
Really?
Yes really. You think Benteke was clever doing what he did? And he could easily have gone earlier for the elbow. And we've been doing similar suicidal stuff all season. if we need something at Wigan we will miss him, I think it will affect our confidence without him.
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Sky are such fucking shit... Why have they broken off Stan to go to the Ray and Jamie Chavski wankfest?
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Oh give it a rest about Frank
Indeed, fucking hell they're sickening.
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I wouldn't discount Bent bowing out with a goal or two against Wigan. I'd bring on Zoggy for Wiemann too who's tired. We've enough quality to keep the ball and allow Bent to do his job of finding good positions.
Again, if we play like this against Wigan we'll rip them apart. They struggle to score and I think as long as we limit them to just the one goal (cus a clean sheet aint gonna happen) we'll beat them.
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Dismal defending for both Fat Fwank goals.
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Absolute suicide today. Gutless and stupid.
Shameful and ridiculous comment!
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We weren't in the slightest bit gutless. Quite the opposite in fact.
It was a good game of football and there was plenty there to be proud of.
Why is Terry so unpopular?
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From the Telegraph's live match thread:
"Anyhow. In all the excitement, Big John Terry fell awkwardly and he has been stretchered off. That's a shame for him."
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Travesty that we lost that.
I hope the sniper that shot John Terry when CB went near him has been arrested.
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Benteke's still brilliant, but he stupidly cost us today.
The elbow yes, but the second yellow, he was clearly looking at the ball all the way to his foot, and Terry did everything to ensure a red.
By kicking him, Benteke deserved a second yellow card. It doesn't matter if he was looking at the ball or not, he followed through into Terry and was correctly yellow-carded.
And loathsome though he is, Terry did nothing more than Gabby did when Ramires fouled him.
Eyes all the way on the ball.
It doesn't matter what his eyes were doing. It's what his foot was doing that matters.
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We weren't gutless at all, but I really hope Arsenal beat Wigan on Tuesday.
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We weren't in the slightest bit gutless. Quite the opposite in fact.
It was a good game of football and there was plenty there to be proud of.
Why is Terry so unpopular?
No idea.....always puzzled me too.......
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Benteke's still brilliant, but he stupidly cost us today.
The elbow yes, but the second yellow, he was clearly looking at the ball all the way to his foot, and Terry did everything to ensure a red.
By kicking him, Benteke deserved a second yellow card. It doesn't matter if he was looking at the ball or not, he followed through into Terry and was correctly yellow-carded.
And loathsome though he is, Terry did nothing more than Gabby did when Ramires fouled him.
Eyes all the way on the ball.
It doesn't matter what his eyes were doing. It's what his foot was doing that matters.
It was a yellow, just like Ramires' was a yellow too.
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We weren't gutless at all, but I really hope Arsenal beat Wigan on Tuesday.
I know Arsenal have a habit of bottling when it really matters, but there's no way they'll accept finishing below Spurs. They'll be all out for this and Wigan will be fucked after todays final. Think the Goons will tear them apart to be honest. Well...I hope so.
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We weren't gutless at all, but I really hope Arsenal beat Wigan on Tuesday.
A point is enough.
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Benteke's still brilliant, but he stupidly cost us today.
Definately.
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Relax- Wigan will not beat arsenal !
Wigan will be relegated on Tuesday night.
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We weren't gutless at all, but I really hope Arsenal beat Wigan on Tuesday.
A point is enough.
I know but I'd not have the nerves of waiting for that, if they're winning at the end I'll be confident.
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We weren't gutless at all, but I really hope Arsenal beat Wigan on Tuesday.
A point is enough.
I think a point would be my preferred result.
We're mathematically safe and loads of other teams are potentially still in real trouble.
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oh well..
come on Arsenal...
would have liked to see some subs about the 75th min as a few of them looked knackered.
Played well today , worked hard. There was only one team winning it until the Tekkers sending off.
Delph and Sylla were excellent .
Would have seen charlie on for Weimann .
A top CB to be signed and we go on and move up.
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Lambo blaming referee.
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We weren't in the slightest bit gutless. Quite the opposite in fact.
It was a good game of football and there was plenty there to be proud of.
Why is Terry so unpopular?
No idea.....always puzzled me too.......
Really? How long have you got?
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Westwood, Delph and Sylla were great today.
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Relax- Wigan will not beat arsenal !
Wigan will be relegated on Tuesday night.
Agreed. And even if by some miracle Wigan do sneak a win on Tuesday, chances are that at least one of the other teams below us will go down instead.
Bish
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Well thats over now....a few things we can hope for the next coming days. Man. City injure Maloney, Gomez and Kone today, Arsenal get at minimum a draw on Tuesday, Bent scores a hat trick last day and puts his value back up from 10 pence to 10 million and John Terry need his legs amputated.
But well done Villa, I for one feel proud of you no matter what the result, the performance was excellent. Sad to say goodbye Stan...
...Lambo is talking, absolutely pissed he is
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If Lambert is blaming the ref he's wrong.
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Absolute suicide today. Gutless and stupid.
Gutless? Absolute bollox in my opinion of course.
...and mine. Gutless it wasn't.
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If Lambert is blaming the ref he's wrong.
He may be right that terry should have been sent off though .
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Calling it gutless is totally unfair, it was stupid (by Benteke) but not gutless. We played very well but still can't defend, and it doesn't matter if you play brilliantly every week, if you are going to shoot yourself in the foot as often as we do you will always be in trouble.
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Absolute suicide today. Gutless and stupid.
Gutless? Absolute bollox in my opinion of course.
...and mine. Gutless it wasn't.
Maybe he's Marty McFly and is watching the game at Stamford bridge....that was gutless.
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We worked hard, and ultimately came up against a better quality side. That's all. We had our chances, they had theirs. I don't get the hate of Lampard. He's a quality player and in my opinion never comes across as a wanker. I'd certainly not reserve hate for him when there are so many more deserving characters on their team. We aren't at Chelsea's level and might never be, but we worked hard and lost. It happens. I don't think we have anything to worry about going into Wigan because I can't see them getting any more than a point. Arsenal want CL football and like Chelsea they'll take care of business.
We are a work in progress and we are moving in the right direction despite today. Our first job is to beat consistently the teams around and below us. We've been doing that. With a bit more quality we'll be able to compete more consistently against those in the upper tier of the league.
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I thought Delph had another fine game.
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f**k look at this idiot on AVFC facebook page
wigan will get 3 points today against manchester city and be 2 points behind villa. villa going down
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Hard to believe we contrived to lose that one. 1-0 and a man up, Chelsea looked out on their feet and it seemed only a matter of time before we got the second. Benteke for me tried to do Terry, bit like Ramires tackle it wasn't that bad but the reaction of the tackled players for both red cards sealed their fate. Benteke could have seem red in the first half anyway for the elbow and was extremely lucky to stay on the field against Norwich last weekend.
Benteke going off gave Chelsea a new lease of life. Great first goal from Lampard though Baker was poor for it. Vlaar went to shit after that, his defending for their 'goal' was criminal and efforts at a bicycle kick in his own box almost handed them another. To be fair the winner was a brilliantly worked goal but a number of our players were caught ball watching badly with the one two and Delph for some reason decided to not keep tracking Lampard.
Both our full backs played well. Lichaj could have done better for the Chelsea winner maybe but had a very good game up against Hazard. Bennett had a fine game. Westwood had a great game in midfield. Sylla is a bit skittish with his touch but did well. Delph I thought was our best player again but switching off at the end for their winner cost us. Gabby and Weimann went out of it after Benteke went off. Definitely thought Nzogbia should have come in for Weimann but Lambert is poor when it comes to substitutions. Baker did alright but Vlaar was again absolute shite when Chelsea had us under pressure. Thought Guzan was muck today too. Kicking was deplorable, almost handed them a goal after Luiz free kick and didn't cover himself in glory generally for the last half hour.
As an aside, can't understand the hatred for Lampard on here.
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We win the game if Benteke stays on the pitch it's as simple as that! We played very well today a s we just need to hope arsenal do us a favour! Norwich newcastke and Sunderland also have very tricky last day games if they don't get the points tomo! We are in a strong position! We have to go to Wigan strong bent or Bowery in the Benteke role is interesting teaser for lambert!
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Benteke's still brilliant, but he stupidly cost us today.
The elbow yes, but the second yellow, he was clearly looking at the ball all the way to his foot, and Terry did everything to ensure a red.
By kicking him, Benteke deserved a second yellow card. It doesn't matter if he was looking at the ball or not, he followed through into Terry and was correctly yellow-carded.
And loathsome though he is, Terry did nothing more than Gabby did when Ramires fouled him.
Eyes all the way on the ball.
It doesn't matter what his eyes were doing. It's what his foot was doing that matters.
There's a big difference between Ramires doing it twice in quick succession with everything in front of him and Benteke's, which he was very unlucky to get a yellow for.
I imagine that if Ramires hadn't have done that earlier and been sent off, then Benteke probably would have got away with it.
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I thought Delph had another fine game.
[/quoteI thought Delph had another fine game.
He sure did, personally don't think anyone was poor today. Just one of those games.
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We win the game if Benteke stays on the pitch it's as simple as that! We played very well today a s we just need to hope arsenal do us a favour! Norwich newcastke and Sunderland also have very tricky last day games if they don't get the points tomo! We are in a strong position! We have to go to Wigan strong bent or Bowery in the Benteke role is interesting teaser for lambert!
Bent must surely get the nod ahead of Bowery.
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Terry should have been sent off. There is no way on earth Cole would have got across. Maybe 10 years ago but not now. Still, Terry may have done himself some damage. Kharma's a bitch eh?
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I thought Guzan was alright, good even. Two good saves and I don't recall any mistakes.
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I totally agree with Lambert. Sums it up perfectly:
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert told BBC Sport: "We should have won the game. I thought we looked great and played good football, we had a good tempo. Some of the decisions today were bizarre. The referee missed the John Terry one, he's taken down Yacouba Sylla. You've got to be big enough to make that decision.
"We were so far in control of that game. We didn't deserve that - we were excellent.
"I thought we should have had a penalty. There were so many decisions that were poor."
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"There were so many decisions that were poor."
Chelsea did of course have a valid goal disallowed as well, so it's not as if everything went in their favour.
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Hard to believe we contrived to lose that one. 1-0 and a man up, Chelsea looked out on their feet and it seemed only a matter of time before we got the second. Benteke for me tried to do Terry, bit like Ramires tackle it wasn't that bad but the reaction of the tackled players for both red cards sealed their fate. Benteke could have seem red in the first half anyway for the elbow and was extremely lucky to stay on the field against Norwich last weekend.
Benteke going off gave Chelsea a new lease of life. Great first goal from Lampard though Baker was poor for it. Vlaar went to shit after that, his defending for their 'goal' was criminal and efforts at a bicycle kick in his own box almost handed them another. To be fair the winner was a brilliantly worked goal but a number of our players were caught ball watching badly with the one two and Delph for some reason decided to not keep tracking Lampard.
Both our full backs played well. Lichaj could have done better for the Chelsea winner maybe but had a very good game up against Hazard. Bennett had a fine game. Westwood had a great game in midfield. Sylla is a bit skittish with his touch but did well. Delph I thought was our best player again but switching off at the end for their winner cost us. Gabby and Weimann went out of it after Benteke went off. Definitely thought Nzogbia should have come in for Weimann but Lambert is poor when it comes to substitutions. Baker did alright but Vlaar was again absolute shite when Chelsea had us under pressure. Thought Guzan was muck today too. Kicking was deplorable, almost handed them a goal after Luiz free kick and didn't cover himself in glory generally for the last half hour.
As an aside, can't understand the hatred for Lampard on here.
Did you miss his save from ba. and touching fat fwanks shot wide ?
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Have to say it, it would be criminal if we don't get 3 points today. These lot were shite enough with 11 men.
Only Villa...
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Delph, Sylla both absolutely brilliant today. We deserved to win, they deserved fuck all. Typical then for us to lose the game.
Lampard, please retire and take your sky pointing celebrations away from Aston Villa please.
Don't fancy Wigan to beat Arse.
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I'm sure some posters just like to get a reaction.
Great performance Villa and very unlucky. The amount of effort we put in the game I think we missed a trick by not using our subs.
We have shown real promise in recent weeks and its been a joy to see confidence growing in their game. It's been a strange season but we have stuck at it. Wonderful to see Stan is getting better too!
I feel we will stay up but we shall see what tomorrow brings eh.
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We were pretty good today, but really should have got something from the game. Hopefully ultimately it won't matter, and we can't go on conceding goals every week.
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"There were so many decisions that were poor."
Chelsea did of course have a valid goal disallowed as well, so it's not as if everything went in their favour.
Maybe but it was hardly clear cut - theres no way the linesman could have seen that with the bodies in the way - if not sure then its no goal.
It took several replays with the frame frozen to confirm it crossed the line a split second before westy cleared.
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I'm sure some posters just like to get a reaction.
Great performance Villa and very unlucky. The amount of effort we put in the game I think we missed a trick by not using our subs.
We have shown real promise in recent weeks and its been a joy to see confidence growing in their game. It's been a strange season but we have stuck at it. Wonderful to see Stan is getting better too!
I feel we will stay up but we shall see what tomorrow brings eh.
Agree entirely. For me, there is so much to look forward to next season. We need to become less naive, and that comes with some better players and experience.
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"There were so many decisions that were poor."
Chelsea did of course have a valid goal disallowed as well, so it's not as if everything went in their favour.
Maybe but it was hardly clear cut - theres no way the linesman could have seen that with the bodies in the way - if not sure then its no goal.
I agree with that - and it's obvious why it wasn't given. But that doesn't mean that the ball wasn't over the line, because it was.
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"There were so many decisions that were poor."
Chelsea did of course have a valid goal disallowed as well, so it's not as if everything went in their favour.
Maybe but it was hardly clear cut - theres no way the linesman could have seen that with the bodies in the way - if not sure then its no goal.
There are ifs and buts with almost every decision both for and against. We got the rub of the green on a couple of occasions. When you make mental errors as we did today against Sunderland you can get away with it. When you do at the top level you get punished. We could and should have won today. We didn't fir most of the obvious reasons why we've lost many of our games this season.
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You always need to keep 11 on the pitch against the top 4...it's hard enough getting a result when you have 11 on the pitch.
No chance we'd have lost that with the full 11....Chelsea back 4 looked petrified of him and all our pace for the first hour....without him (and Gabby looking done for the last 30 minutes) we had nothing really going forward and Chelsea could just creep forward up the pitch and start to get their attacking players in the game.
Think Lambert should've thrown on N'zogbia at least to give us someone to run at Chelsea a bit.
Think this result will prove academic but yeah Wigan away needing to get something with no Benteke suddenly has a difficult look to it.
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Chelsea will finish 3rd, they annihilated us earlier in the season.
I can not begin to imagine the cost of their squad against ours, and Terry is a wanker.
But we played some good football today.
either Gabby or Andi should have been subbed because they were knackered.
But we did not let ourselves down and will improve.
I see hope and a bright future.
There is only one Aston Villa.
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I totally agree with Lambert. Sums it up perfectly:
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert told BBC Sport: "We should have won the game. I thought we looked great and played good football, we had a good tempo. Some of the decisions today were bizarre. The referee missed the John Terry one, he's taken down Yacouba Sylla. You've got to be big enough to make that decision.
"We were so far in control of that game. We didn't deserve that - we were excellent.
"I thought we should have had a penalty. There were so many decisions that were poor."
deciding not to bring on any substitutes after Chelsea equalised might have been the worst decision of the lot
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I'm sure some posters just like to get a reaction.
Great performance Villa and very unlucky. The amount of effort we put in the game I think we missed a trick by not using our subs.
We have shown real promise in recent weeks and its been a joy to see confidence growing in their game. It's been a strange season but we have stuck at it. Wonderful to see Stan is getting better too!
I feel we will stay up but we shall see what tomorrow brings eh.
Agree entirely. For me, there is so much to look forward to next season. We need to become less naive, and that comes with some better players and experience.
Assuming we stay up, we need to spend £15m minimum on a new defence.
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You always need to keep 11 on the pitch against the top 4...it's hard enough getting a result when you have 11 on the pitch.
No chance we'd have lost that with the full 11....Chelsea back 4 looked petrified of him and all our pace for the first hour....without him (and Gabby looking done for the last 30 minutes) we had nothing really going forward and Chelsea could just creep forward up the pitch and start to get their attacking players in the game.
Think Lambert should've thrown on N'zogbia at least to give us someone to run at Chelsea a bit.
Think this result will prove academic but yeah Wigan away needing to get something with no Benteke suddenly has a difficult look to it.
We looked likely to add to to the lead before benteke saw red and Chelsea looked stretched every time we attacked - his departure totally changed the match.
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I'm sure some posters just like to get a reaction.
Great performance Villa and very unlucky. The amount of effort we put in the game I think we missed a trick by not using our subs.
We have shown real promise in recent weeks and its been a joy to see confidence growing in their game. It's been a strange season but we have stuck at it. Wonderful to see Stan is getting better too!
I feel we will stay up but we shall see what tomorrow brings eh.
Agree entirely. For me, there is so much to look forward to next season. We need to become less naive, and that comes with some better players and experience.
Assuming we stay up, we need to spend £15m minimum on a new defence.
We will stay up and I'm sure that that will be a priority in the summer. Yes, that should be the minimum we spend on a new CB, LB and another full back to back up Lowton. Lichaj wasn't bad today but he isn't a long term answer if Lowton gets hurt.
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We got ourselves into the position where this wasn't a must-win game. So we can afford the luxury of playing well and not winning.
Having said that, it hurts like hell to lose.
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We got ourselves into the position where this wasn't a must-win game. So we can afford the luxury of playing well and not winning.
Having said that, it hurts like hell to lose.
Yeah I think that sums it up well Damon, I just hope the Wigan game isn't a must not lose.
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Does anyone know why paramedics were attending someone in front of the Chelsea supporters- someone said they thought a steward had been injured after they scored?
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We got ourselves into the position where this wasn't a must-win game. So we can afford the luxury of playing well and not winning.
Having said that, it hurts like hell to lose.
Yeah I think that sums it up well Damon, I just hope the Wigan game isn't a must not lose.
I don't think come Tuesday night we will still be in the mix , but if we are it will be very worrying - the good thing for us is that arsenal need a win so will be going for it and have had plenty rest whereas wigan will be tiring.
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We enjoyed the game. Villa played well for most of the match. Delph was tremendous today and Sylla did not look out of place.
When Benteke got himself sent off, I, at least, expected Bent to make an appearance sooner or later but Lambert deemed not to bring him on. I fully expect Bowery to play the centre forward role at Wigan.
Frank Lampard took his goals well and fully deserves to have beaten Tamblings record.
The stress carries on. However a very decent performance from our lads.
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A fucking blatant penalty at the end with them pulling Baker's shirt. I hope Terry never kicks a ball again the vile ******.
Very annoying to chuck it away, but I think we already have enoughs points.
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Just got back and I am absolutely furious!
The referee (Lee Mason?) was absolutely shocking, how can he call himself a referee?
John Terry epitomises everything I dispise in today's modern footballer, he is a scumbag and vile with it!
After Terry got Benteke sent off only one team was going to win that game, we just capitulated after that whereas before that I seriously thought we would go on and win the game.
P.S. I hope the referee got his lift back on the Chelsea coach okay?
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I think we're getting a bit carried away about the ref. He missed a straight red for Benteke earlier, and the second yellow was correct he also missed a goal that crossed the line for them. He wasn't great, but he gave Chelsea no more than he gave us.
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Just got back and I am absolutely furious!
The referee (Lee Mason?) was absolutely shocking, how can he call himself a referee?
John Terry epitomises everything I dispise in today's modern footballer, he is a scumbag and vile with it!
After Terry got Benteke sent off only one team was going to win that game, we just capitulated after that whereas before that I seriously thought we would go on and win the game.
P.S. I hope the referee got his lift back on the Chelsea coach okay?
Dont be so ridiculous. Benteke should have gone earlier for the elbow. The ref got both decisions right.
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Also thought Sylla was fantastic
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P.P.S. Fair play to Bennett, he played well today. Delph MOM for me, just wish he could shoot (but that goes for all of our midfield (i.e. just look at Lampard))!
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I'm really surprised so many people think Benteke's 2nd yellow was the right decision. If Ramires hadn't been sent off there is no chance Benteke would've got a yellow for that. Mason didn't have the balls to face questions of why he yellow'd ramires and didn't yellow Benteke but the reality is ramires' was dangerous play going studs up towards a player he could see, Benteke was hanging a foot up to try to control the ball and never once looked at Terry. Dangerous play requires a degree of intent that just wasn't there.
Forget about the elbows, they were silly and he could've been given red but wasn't, therefore they have no bearing on things. If Mason had given the yellow for 'persistent offending' I'd have been ok with it, but he didn't, he gave it for dangerous play which is just not the case.
Aside from that Terry's in the first half was a definite red and he bottled that one as well. If Cole had got across it would have meant Weimann had half the pitch to himself on the right, there is no chance we wouldn't have had a chance on goal and Terry knew it.
There was also what looked like a fairly clear handball in the first half that should've been a penalty but was waved away.
Yes we got a bit lucky with the one that just crossed the line but on balance they had far the better of the ref today, again.
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Just got back and I am absolutely furious!
The referee (Lee Mason?) was absolutely shocking, how can he call himself a referee?
John Terry epitomises everything I dispise in today's modern footballer, he is a scumbag and vile with it!
After Terry got Benteke sent off only one team was going to win that game, we just capitulated after that whereas before that I seriously thought we would go on and win the game.
P.S. I hope the referee got his lift back on the Chelsea coach okay?
Dont be so ridiculous. Benteke should have gone earlier for the elbow. The ref got both decisions right.
I presume that you weren't there to comment from your armchair but obviously don't let that stop you!
I assume that Terry's elbow didn't count then?
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Just got back and I am absolutely furious!
The referee (Lee Mason?) was absolutely shocking, how can he call himself a referee?
John Terry epitomises everything I dispise in today's modern footballer, he is a scumbag and vile with it!
After Terry got Benteke sent off only one team was going to win that game, we just capitulated after that whereas before that I seriously thought we would go on and win the game.
P.S. I hope the referee got his lift back on the Chelsea coach okay?
Dont be so ridiculous. Benteke should have gone earlier for the elbow. The ref got both decisions right.
I presume that you weren't there to comment from your armchair but obviously don't let that stop you!
I assume that Terry's elbow didn't count then?
Not allowed to comment if you weren't at the game?
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Just got back and I am absolutely furious!
The referee (Lee Mason?) was absolutely shocking, how can he call himself a referee?
John Terry epitomises everything I dispise in today's modern footballer, he is a scumbag and vile with it!
After Terry got Benteke sent off only one team was going to win that game, we just capitulated after that whereas before that I seriously thought we would go on and win the game.
P.S. I hope the referee got his lift back on the Chelsea coach okay?
Dont be so ridiculous. Benteke should have gone earlier for the elbow. The ref got both decisions right.
He probably should've got a red for the elbow but he didn't, he got a yellow. That doesn't make the 2nd yellow the correct decision, Mason was waiting for Benteke to do anything so he could send him off (I'm sure someone will have pointed out that the elbow should've been red) and he won the lottery when the incident happened to be similar to the 2nd yellow for Ramires.
I'd have taken Benteke off at half time because I thought then that the ref was going to try to even it up and Benteke was the easy option.
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Just got back and I am absolutely furious!
The referee (Lee Mason?) was absolutely shocking, how can he call himself a referee?
John Terry epitomises everything I dispise in today's modern footballer, he is a scumbag and vile with it!
After Terry got Benteke sent off only one team was going to win that game, we just capitulated after that whereas before that I seriously thought we would go on and win the game.
P.S. I hope the referee got his lift back on the Chelsea coach okay?
Dont be so ridiculous. Benteke should have gone earlier for the elbow. The ref got both decisions right.
I presume that you weren't there to comment from your armchair but obviously don't let that stop you!
I assume that Terry's elbow didn't count then?
Just lost any measure of credibility with that armchair comment.
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Dangerous play requires a degree of intent that just wasn't there
No it doesn't. It just has to be dangerous play, whether you mean it or not.
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Benteke out for final game is a problem. I really fucking hate Chelsea.
I really fucking hate their fans. Wankers spent most of second half almost on the pitch. On the other hand their team is good. They were much much better than us in the last 20 mins and they won the game. But I hate the club chelsea.
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Just got back and I am absolutely furious!
The referee (Lee Mason?) was absolutely shocking, how can he call himself a referee?
John Terry epitomises everything I dispise in today's modern footballer, he is a scumbag and vile with it!
After Terry got Benteke sent off only one team was going to win that game, we just capitulated after that whereas before that I seriously thought we would go on and win the game.
P.S. I hope the referee got his lift back on the Chelsea coach okay?
Dont be so ridiculous. Benteke should have gone earlier for the elbow. The ref got both decisions right.
He probably should've got a red for the elbow but he didn't, he got a yellow. That doesn't make the 2nd yellow the correct decision, Mason was waiting for Benteke to do anything so he could send him off (I'm sure someone will have pointed out that the elbow should've been red) and he won the lottery when the incident happened to be similar to the 2nd yellow for Ramires.
I'd have taken Benteke off at half time because I thought then that the ref was going to try to even it up and Benteke was the easy option.
This is a point I made to someone elsewhere. Whether Benteke SHOULD have seen red earlier or not shouldn't make a difference to anything after that incident.
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Mason was lenient with Benteke first time and slightly harsh second time, but both decisions were justifiable. I thought he handled a difficult game very well.
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I thought we played really well today, for large parts of the game we were excellent. I thought Delph in particular was outstanding
As brilliant as he's been, Benteke definitely cost us 3 points today by being completely braindead. The precedent had been set for the high foot being a yellow and Christian should have been aware of this (He should have been off for the elbow imo). It is one of the most pointless sending's off i've seen and came at a time when Chelsea looked a beaten team and we'd have surely added more goals considering how easily in control we were.
That being said, Wigan will not be beating Arsenal as they are simply not good enough to. So no need to worry really.
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Dangerous play requires a degree of intent that just wasn't there
No it doesn't. It just has to be dangerous play, whether you mean it or not.
The exact terminology used is 'careless', 'reckless' and 'using excessive force'.
The sanctions are foul, yellow and red respectively. So Mason judged it as Reckless. The definition of reckless is "means that the player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent". Do you honestly think that applies to the challenge that Benteke got his 2nd booking for?
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Absolute suicide today. Gutless and stupid.
Well Benteke was incredibly stupid yes, and cost us a guaranteed 3 points.
However, apart from that we played well against a side that have spent an absolute fortune and were incredibly unlucky not to get at least a point. Gutless is a ridiculous word to use in this instance.
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Not so long ago I would never have believed you if it had been said we should've beaten Chelsea last home game of the season and dominated them in parts of the game.
We've come a very long way and I look forward to next season in the Premier League.
We may not win trophies, but I like the way we're attacking teams now and I can't remember the last time I thought that!
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There appears to be a low intelligent quotient running through this team. Either that or it's inexperience, because we often do the stupidest things to cost ourselves points. Still, who expected us to beat Chelsea? We gave a good account of ourselves, and this was always going to go down to the Arsenal v Wigan match, or beyond.
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Dismal defending for both Fat Fwank goals.
I think that's harsh on the first one, ain't seen it again but main recollection was Lampard turning and hitting it into the top corner from about 20 yards so not a lot that can be done unless you're the type of fan who expects a defence to restrict the opposition to no shots at goal in a game. That was huge for Chelsea to get it back to 1-1 so soon after the red card
Second one yeah I never feel comfortable when the opposition start getting into 1 v 1 position and run with pace against any of our back 4 tbh but you could just the same against Cahill's awful attempt to stop our goal.
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Dangerous play requires a degree of intent that just wasn't there
No it doesn't. It just has to be dangerous play, whether you mean it or not.
The exact terminology used is 'careless', 'reckless' and 'using excessive force'.
The sanctions are foul, yellow and red respectively. So Mason judged it as Reckless. The definition of reckless is "means that the player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent". Do you honestly think that applies to the challenge that Benteke got his 2nd booking for?
Yes. I don't think he intended to hurt Terry or that he deliberately went for him (if he had, then it would have deserved a red card), but just by not being aware of him being there and his high foot making contact, it's reckless.
Similar to Nani's against Real Madrid (which most people thought should have been a caution rather than a red card). If he's following the ball and isn't aware of other players that his foot might come into contact with that's his fault. It's not malicious and certainly not using excessive force but I'd definitely say it was reckless.
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Typical fcuk in Villa. That is all.
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I totally agree with Lambert. Sums it up perfectly:
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert told BBC Sport: "We should have won the game. I thought we looked great and played good football, we had a good tempo. Some of the decisions today were bizarre. The referee missed the John Terry one, he's taken down Yacouba Sylla. You've got to be big enough to make that decision.
"We were so far in control of that game. We didn't deserve that - we were excellent.
"I thought we should have had a penalty. There were so many decisions that were poor."
Yellow was correct imo, Cole was right in the middle of the incident a second later.
I would've preferred Terry to stay on when he was injured as he might've done something stupid and got himself sent off rather than bring on Ivanovic who is very good to have at the back when teams throw crosses into the box.
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Unlucky to lose overall, but the first Chelsea goal was the result of some pretfy half-hearted defending. Chelsea were nothing special but that was also because we harassed them so effectively.
Can we not refer to Benteke as Tekkers, please?
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Although most of us have said what a good game Delph and Sylla had it should be noted that Bennett is beginning to look like the real deal.
He's coming along nicely.
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This had similar vibes to the Liverpool home game a few weeks back & like then our naivety cost us a point.
The referee was just shit for both teams today.
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Unlucky to lose overall, but the first Chelsea goal was the result of some pretfy half-hearted defending. Chelsea were nothing special but that was also because we harassed them so effectively.
Can we not refer to Benteke as Tekkers,
Agree it is a crap name
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Mason was lenient with Benteke first time and slightly harsh second time, but both decisions were justifiable. I thought he handled a difficult game very well.
The baker yellow card was a terrible decision.
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Can't believe some posters are blaming Benteke. We wouldn't have anywhere near 40 points (still not enough IMO) without his goals.
Was today the start of a cruel twist of fate? Am I alone in thinking that Wigan may beat Aresenal. Very disappointed with Gabby and Weiman today. Can Bent fill Bentekes boots in the final game?
The angst is back.
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Mason was lenient with Benteke first time and slightly harsh second time, but both decisions were justifiable. I thought he handled a difficult game very well.
The baker yellow card was a terrible decision.
Not in the context of modern football.
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Whilst one of his biggest fans I blame Paul Lambert for this defeat. In the last 20 mins our midfielders were wasted and you could see that unless we make a change or two we will end up losing it and lose we did. Sylla was brilliant today however in the last 15 both he and Westwood were on their last legs. Paul needed to use the subs but he didn't.
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Mason was lenient with Benteke first time and slightly harsh second time, but both decisions were justifiable. I thought he handled a difficult game very well.
The baker yellow card was a terrible decision.
Not in the context of modern football.
Then modern football is fucked.
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Feel slightly sorry that Benteke won't make 20 for the season. Thought the ref bottled the Terry decision first half.
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Can't believe some posters are blaming Benteke. We wouldn't have anywhere near 40 points (still not enough IMO) without his goals.
I don't think anyone who is saying that he was stupid today in getting sent off has suggested otherwise.
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Mason was lenient with Benteke first time and slightly harsh second time, but both decisions were justifiable. I thought he handled a difficult game very well.
The baker yellow card was a terrible decision.
It set the tone for a poor performance by the referee. Yet, as happens all too often, this poor refereeing performance favoured the 'bigger' club.
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I'm still calm as a cucumber. We're safe in my mind. Wigan need a win against Arsenal, wont happen. We'll have them and others below us still and be safe by the time the last day gets here.
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Mason was lenient with Benteke first time and slightly harsh second time, but both decisions were justifiable. I thought he handled a difficult game very well.
The baker yellow card was a terrible decision.
Not in the context of modern football.
Then modern football is fucked.
That's another debate, but if you lunge in like that and take the man and ball you get booked nowadays.
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You always need to keep 11 on the pitch against the top 4...it's hard enough getting a result when you have 11 on the pitch.
No chance we'd have lost that with the full 11....Chelsea back 4 looked petrified of him and all our pace for the first hour....without him (and Gabby looking done for the last 30 minutes) we had nothing really going forward and Chelsea could just creep forward up the pitch and start to get their attacking players in the game.
Think Lambert should've thrown on N'zogbia at least to give us someone to run at Chelsea a bit.
Think this result will prove academic but yeah Wigan away needing to get something with no Benteke suddenly has a difficult look to it.
We looked likely to add to to the lead before benteke saw red and Chelsea looked stretched every time we attacked - his departure totally changed the match.
Yes those 15 minutes we had in the second half before Benteke departed were a missed opportunity as there were a few occasions around their box. No chance Chelsea would've won the game being 2 down even with the red card.
Obviously Lampard is a master of it, that's why he's scored 200 goals but there's no one in our central midfield who could've scored his second today e.g. making the forward run and timing it perfectly to tap in.
Once Lambert sorts out the defence, we need a more attack minded third central midfielder in there. I'm happy enough with Westwood being the sitter and dictating and I thought Sylla and Delph were excellent today at closing down and pressing Chelsea. Both have been good for a while now and have probably pushed Bannan through the exit catflap but I think next season it will have to be one of them rather than both as there is little goal threat in our central midfield unless N'zogbia plays there.
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Didnt think we would get anything before the game, performance wise alot of good, Sylla looks a player and who he was playing against he dominated the midfield with the help of the equally impressive Delph, thought Westwood was a bit quite to be honest but the other two superb. Well done Bennet nightmare last week a very professional performance today. We go again one more time.
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Thought we played very well today and were unlucky to lose. I was seriously impressed by Bennett today, who hasn't really convinced me yet, but on the basis of a few of his more recent performances there seems to be a bit of a player in there. Sylla and Delph were impressive too. Okay Sylla missed a few passes but he looked decent otherwise. Certainly better than a player who was signed from the French second division and mocked has any right to be.
RE the referee, I'm not sure whether the number of bookings were because he was overly fussy or because it was how the players were approaching the game. I tend towards the latter, I thought the Benteke sending off was justifiable even if the big man was unlucky that he made contact with Azpilicueta in that way. Other calls were maybe a bit more dubious but I think it was as bad for both sides.
Okay we lost but there was nothing to be too depressed about in terms of our performance and our safety will most likely be guaranteed in midweek as Wigan winning at the Emirates is somewhat unlikely. We deserved to beat a decent team who just six months ago put eight past us. If you can't see positives in that you might as well give up.
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I don't think come Tuesday night we will still be in the mix , but if we are it will be very worrying - the good thing for us is that arsenal need a win so will be going for it and have had plenty rest whereas wigan will be tiring.
We all thought that Chelsea would tire today.
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So we have to rely on Arsenal. Fucking pathetic.
FFS get a grip. Not fucking pathetic and we don't HAVE to rely on Arsenal. We are well ahead of Wigan and they have to WIN at Arsenal and even if they do we will not lose at Wigan.
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Seems a lot of posters seriously overrate the ability of Wigan
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Great game with some very good performances (esp Delph, Vlaar,Benteke, Westwood,Guzan).
I felt Weiman was woeful. Was fed the ball in good positions all afternoon but lacked composure and was very wasteful. That fresh air shot in front of the Holte summed it up.
Lampard is a class act and good luck to him. Terry on the other hand is an utter disgrace. Trust him to choose Petrov's farewell occasion to stink the place out with his gamesmanship. Petrov = chalk, Terry = cheese (Gorgonzola to be precise)
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We all thought that Chelsea would tire today.
Yes I did specially when I saw such a strong Chelsea team take to the field. I thought rafa has decided to win the game in the first half as he also knew that but we have to admire their durability and something for us to learn when we get successful. These teams are better and therefore opposition tire quicker. Wigan is a different matter.
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Interesting to note in Lambert's interview afterwards that he got visibly irritated when it was put to him that "the experience of a Frank Lampard is what all these young players need".
The next question, asking whether it will be difficult to hang on to Benteke, the answer may as well have been "Shut the fuck-up and ask me about the game you shit-sucking, shit-stirring twat".
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Seems a lot of posters seriously overrate the ability of Wigan
After watching Wigan midweek Arsenal will tear them a new one.
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Seems a lot of posters seriously overrate the ability of Wigan
After watching Wigan midweek Arsenal will tear them a new one.
I don't think there is even the remotest of possibilities Wigan will get within 2 goals of Arsenal.
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Whilst one of his biggest fans I blame Paul Lambert for this defeat. In the last 20 mins our midfielders were wasted and you could see that unless we make a change or two we will end up losing it and lose we did. Sylla was brilliant today however in the last 15 both he and Westwood were on their last legs. Paul needed to use the subs but he didn't.
No Bannan so not sure who he could've played in central midfield and he certainly wanted to keep three in there.
Only real viable sub imo was n'zogbia for Weimann and someone to run with pace at Chelsea's back 4 which we had great success at.
Not sure why there were no subs when the second went in. There were 98 minutes played at the end so still 10 minutes after their goal. If you conceded on 80, subs are made then so surely the likes of Bent and N'zogbia should've been on in injury time especially as Chelsea finished the game with 9 men.
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Can't believe some posters are blaming Benteke. We wouldn't have anywhere near 40 points (still not enough IMO) without his goals.
Was today the start of a cruel twist of fate? Am I alone in thinking that Wigan may beat Aresenal. Very disappointed with Gabby and Weiman today. Can Bent fill Bentekes boots in the final game?
The angst is back.
It never really left with you, did it?
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Karma really loves John Terry recently. He should have had a longer bn for the Ferdinand incident, doesn't and then suffers a serious injury on one of those matches. Then he should have been off the field, either for the last man challenge or for two yellows when he high armed our player in the face right on half time. Even when he got the injury, he high footed the ball whilst Baker's head was there.
I can see initially why Lambert didn't bring Nzog on as he needed people putting a shift in when we went down to 10 ourselves, but why he didn't change it at all, especially when they were down to 9 with several minutes left is a mistake by him.
But we definitely were fighting in that maths till the end. Just not enough attempts on target.
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Seems a lot of posters seriously overrate the ability of Wigan
Two things:
1) I think Wigan are shit. In fact, I know Wigan are shit. I also knew Small Heath were shit when they went to Wembley. But they payed Arsenal. Pathetic Arsenal, as I now know them. Ever since that day, I've been reluctant to rely on Pathetic Arsenal.
2) Nobody is safe until the maths confirm it. Least of all us, a team that loves giving things away.
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Assuming we stay up, we need to spend £15m minimum on defence.
That's lot of money even if we hire Country's top Barrister!
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Back home and am exhausted after that!
Both teams played up to their stereotypes and the result was a sickener but not surprising.
We had plenty of chances to score more and didn't - same old same old.
As a fan I absolutely loved that match though! Had enough incident for half a season although at the break I did say I hoped for a boring second half - was never going to happen.
Au revoir Stan - so glad that the majority of the crowd stayed to say goodbye.
Come on you Gunners!
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Also, anyone tell me why the ref did not take action against the players for trying to protect their fan from the steward? The steward was totally in the right as the fan had encroached, he had to hold onto to him as no one was helping, yet the three Chelsea players were trying to get him to let go.
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by the way, I was sat behind Shaun Teale in the lower Holte today
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Yes Lampard was already on a yellow.
It would've been hilarious to see him get sent off after breaking the record but I thought players got booked when they run towards the crowd and instigate pitch invasions?
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I don't think come Tuesday night we will still be in the mix , but if we are it will be very worrying - the good thing for us is that arsenal need a win so will be going for it and have had plenty rest whereas wigan will be tiring.
We all thought that Chelsea would tire today.
Chelsea have a much bigger squad than wigan .
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I don't think come Tuesday night we will still be in the mix , but if we are it will be very worrying - the good thing for us is that arsenal need a win so will be going for it and have had plenty rest whereas wigan will be tiring.
We all thought that Chelsea would tire today.
Chelsea have a much bigger squad than wigan .
And they have been rotating it. The only rotation Wigan have done ( like us) is on injuries and they have had a lot recently so aren't even able to play their first choice 11 or defence as shown with the goals Swansea scored.
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Just got back from the match. We have played worse and won. High hopes for next season f we play like that.
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Why didnt the whole squad come out for the lap of appreciation? looked like just todays squad.
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Just got back from the match. We have played worse and won. High hopes for next season f we play like that.
Agree , we lost but we played very well, could not fault any of the performances today - Delph and Bennett stood out for me , pity benteke got sent off or I think we would have gone on and scored more.
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Great game with some very good performances (esp Delph, Vlaar,Benteke, Westwood,Guzan).
I felt Weiman was woeful. Was fed the ball in good positions all afternoon but lacked composure and was very wasteful. That fresh air shot in front of the Holte summed it up.
Lampard is a class act and good luck to him. Terry on the other hand is an utter disgrace. Trust him to choose Petrov's farewell occasion to stink the place out with his gamesmanship. Petrov = chalk, Terry = cheese (Gorgonzola to be precise)
No mention of Gabby's gamesmanship to get Ramires sent off?
Ron Vlaar is muck. I really can't stand him. A big lumbering oaf and continuously makes the most stupid mistakes. How does a defender at the top level get caught 2 yards under a cross from a corner
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Good game spoiled by a terrible display of refereeing. If Benteke's second yellow was correct (it probably was) then Terry should have also gone as he did exactly the same to Weimann after he'd been booked for the cynical trip in the first half (will have to see that on MOTD to decide whether it should have been red or whether Cole was covering). Thought we played with purpose and intensity, closing down well and driving forward confidently. Deserved at least a point but we all knew what would happen when Benteke went. Delph and Sylla had their best games for us so far and the future is starting to look really bright.
Their team contains the most odious examples of everything that's wrong with modern football - Ashley Cole and John Terry for starters, and the 80's-girly-permed Luiz is getting on my nerves as well - every time he lost the ball he appealed to the ref for a foul - matched only by their totally classless chav fans. Hopefully Terry will miss another European final after (s)he fell over and got stretchered off. And if I played for Chelsea with that physio I'd have a groin strain at least once a week.
Great to see Stan leading the team out after the game - for a moment I'm sure someone must have let a flare off somewhere as I seemed to have got smoke in my eyes.
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Great game with some very good performances (esp Delph, Vlaar,Benteke, Westwood,Guzan).
I felt Weiman was woeful. Was fed the ball in good positions all afternoon but lacked composure and was very wasteful. That fresh air shot in front of the Holte summed it up.
Lampard is a class act and good luck to him. Terry on the other hand is an utter disgrace. Trust him to choose Petrov's farewell occasion to stink the place out with his gamesmanship. Petrov = chalk, Terry = cheese (Gorgonzola to be precise)
No mention of Gabby's gamesmanship to get Ramires sent off?
Ron Vlaar is muck. I really can't stand him. A big lumbering oaf and continuously makes the most stupid mistakes. How does a defender at the top level get caught 2 yards under a cross from a corner
He needs a quality partner and not be relied upon to be the main CB.
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Have you ever seen a player give the ball away so much as Sideshow Bob?
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Vlaar is not muck at all, he's a decent player.
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Have you ever seen a player give the ball away so much as Sideshow Bob?
I predicted he would be in the middle second half and thought he would hurt us there. He did Fuck all. Just a shame he didn't move him back into defence when the racist cheating fuckweasal went off after trying to kick Bakers head.
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Seeing them again, I still think Benteke is unlucky today
The first, he has not once looked at the bloke, just got his arms in place as the ball is coming, the second, he hardly touches Terry and literally only has eyes for the ball. Terry at that point under the laws of the game should have gone, for either a straight red, or a pair yellows in 5 minutes. Even he knew he got away with the one on Weimann, he ran back away from the ref at a pace laughing about it. Had he not been booked at that point, he would have been. The ref bottled reducing them to 9 men, simple as that.
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Have you ever seen a player give the ball away so much as Sideshow Bob?
NRC.
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The ref bottled reducing them to 9 men, simple as that.
Bottled it several times in fact.
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Disappointing. Benteke was lucky not to be sent off last week at Carrow Road. Then he made two stupid challenges first half but still didn't learn his lesson. Had he stayed on we'd have won it, had we not acted like headless chickens for the first five minutes after the red card, we might still have won it.
Terry could maybe have gone too but I think it's the sort where the ref has a chance to give the defender the benefit of the doubt and, in those circumstances, they usually do. So I'm not going to moan too much. Their goal that wasn't given may well have crossed the line too.
Overall, we knew before kick-off Chelsea were better than us. Delph and Sylla were excellent. Still a bit of a let-down to lose when a bit of maturity would've got us at least a point.
Bloody Lampard, loves scoring against us. I don't think there was a single Villa fan who didn't expect to him at least equal the record today.
Oh well, if you'd offered me six points from the last three games I'd have taken it.
Just need no fucking around from Arsenal on Tuesday and the suffering will finally be over. If Wigan somehow win that I have to spend another week cowering like a schoolgirl at Jimmy Tarbuck's house.
Come on Arsenal!
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Can't believe some posters are blaming Benteke. We wouldn't have anywhere near 40 points (still not enough IMO) without his goals.
Was today the start of a cruel twist of fate? Am I alone in thinking that Wigan may beat Aresenal. Very disappointed with Gabby and Weiman today. Can Bent fill Bentekes boots in the final game?
The angst is back.
It never really left with you, did it?
Actually it did for a while,specifically after the Sunderland and Norwich results. It's just that the unlucky way we lost today made me wonder if fate has got some final nasty surprise waiting for us. I'll pull myself together soon.
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Just checking the score and reading this thread.
All I can say is feck. Sounds like three points thrown away.
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Ref set his stall out right at he start when he booked Baker for a perfectly good tackle. Neither Ramires nor Benteke 2nd bookings were worthy of a booking. But once more we end a game talking about a ref rather than the game itself. We matched them throughout but didn't have the legs to keep going.
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Have you ever seen a player give the ball away so much as Sideshow Bob?
I though he was "our" best player in the second half!
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Just checking the score and reading this thread.
All I can say is feck. Sounds like three points thrown away.
Given away by the referee.
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Kick racism out of football: (http://i.minus.com/i2Vsawxy0ttUp.gif)
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Just can't understand what was in Westwood's mind (very little i suspect) with his poor clearance which lead to Chelsea's second goal.
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Actually it did for a while,specifically after the Sunderland and Norwich results. It's just that the unlucky way we lost today made me wonder if fate has got some final nasty surprise waiting for us. I'll pull myself together soon.
Nothing has really changed since the two results you mentioned. If it's fate and luck than we had the good side last week winning with a 90th minute goal.
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
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Just can't understand what was in Westwood's mind (very little i suspect) with his poor clearance which lead to Chelsea's second goal.
He was knackered. Should have been subbed 10 mins earlier.
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
Benteke should have gone but so should terry .
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
What about Terry smashing Andi in the face, unpunished? Or the penalty claim in the last few minutes?
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He's been watching Alan Shearer videos - he made a career out of doing that.
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I enjoyed the physio's arse.
With her around it's worth getting the odd knock and making a big deal of it.
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Just back, none of sky tv, the weather, the ref, fat fwank or the result could ruin today.
I'm proud of the team, how we've been playing since January and that in our club captain
we have the absolute antithesis to that oik J.T.
Was great seeing Stan and thanking the manager and players for giving us our Villa back.
That may be overstating it a little bit but I think about that Bolton game last year, and the contrast
in attitudes on the pitch and in the stands is both staggering and heartening.
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From the Telegraph's live match thread:
"Anyhow. In all the excitement, Big John Terry fell awkwardly and he has been stretchered off. That's a shame for him."
I hope it hurts ( a lot)
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Back home. John Terry is a ******. The only player i've ever been happy to see stretchered off. Because he's a ****** and sums everything I hate about the modern game.
Although on Witton Lane pre-match when I was selling the fanzine was another example. Someone, i'm assuming Sky, decided to film me. I immediately said no thanks, don't film me. They carried on. I said no again. They carried on. I finally stuck my hand across the lens and said fuck off I said no. They seemed put out I didn't want to be filmed as though I should have been grateful. Fucking wankers.
P.s.
John Terry is a ******.
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Why didnt the whole squad come out for the lap of appreciation? looked like just todays squad.
Lowton, Clark and Bannon were there in smart suits
Dunne was in the corporate boxes eating all the left over pies
Ireland was out shopping - to try and spend some of the cash he has taken from us for doing SFA.
Given had an appointment with his divorce lawyer.
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Ref set his stall out right at he start when he booked Baker for a perfectly good tackle.
Beat me to it. It was'nt even a foul and even if it was, a better referee would have told him the next one will be yellow. Instead he set the tone of the game with tho bookings that followed. Someone earlier said that he handled a difficult game well. It was only difficult because he made it difficult.
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Disappointed to lose but I was very pleased with our performance against 12 men for 60 minutes. Sylla was outstanding.
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Just can't understand what was in Westwood's mind (very little i suspect) with his poor clearance which lead to Chelsea's second goal.
He was knackered. Should have been subbed 10 mins earlier.
Yep, a number of the lads looked tired towards the end of the game. Westwood's attempted clearance certainly smacked of one made by a weary player. Despite the result, I thought it was an enjoyable game and seeing Stan walking round the pitch after the game put things into perspective.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot - I can't stand John Terry.
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Dangerous play requires a degree of intent that just wasn't there
No it doesn't. It just has to be dangerous play, whether you mean it or not.
The exact terminology used is 'careless', 'reckless' and 'using excessive force'.
The sanctions are foul, yellow and red respectively. So Mason judged it as Reckless. The definition of reckless is "means that the player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent". Do you honestly think that applies to the challenge that Benteke got his 2nd booking for?
Yes. I don't think he intended to hurt Terry or that he deliberately went for him (if he had, then it would have deserved a red card), but just by not being aware of him being there and his high foot making contact, it's reckless.
Similar to Nani's against Real Madrid (which most people thought should have been a caution rather than a red card). If he's following the ball and isn't aware of other players that his foot might come into contact with that's his fault. It's not malicious and certainly not using excessive force but I'd definitely say it was reckless.
Bit slow to respond on this, had to go shopping:
Careless is defined as: "...player has shown lack of attention or consideration..." (I can't be bothered to type the whole thing, but that's the important bit. To me raising your foot like he did without ever having looked who was around is a 'lack of attention' rather than a 'complete disregard of the danger to his opponent'. As I said, for me Ramires falls on the disregard side because he raised his foot chest high knowing full well a player was coming in to try to get a head on the ball, Benteke had no idea what Terry was doing behind him as he never looked and therefore showed a lack of attention. Hence a 2nd yellow for Ramires was correct, but Benteke should have been warned not booked, going by the rules.
Page 8 (http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf) if you want to read the definition, I can understand Lambert being pretty pissed about that one, and Terry staying on was a bit of a pisstake as well.
**EDIT** Watching it again Gabby isn't trying to get a head on it, the ball was gone and he's trying to run after it. More importantly Ramires had done another one about 2 seconds earlier (which was actually the worse of the 2 as he was stretching out studs first and caught Sylla on the foot, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the one he's given yellow for).
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Just got back.
Have to say PL has unearthed another beast of a player in Sylla.At times the best player on the pitch, power ,pace,skill, aggression, nice pass, but hes not yet fully fit for 90 mins.
Delph is starting to look a very good player as well, takes responsibility, and tries to drive the team foward.
Special mention for the 2 FBs as well, who i thought were both very good.
The difference today was in the final 1/3rd.Our inability to pick the right ball, the through ball, take a player on, and their ability to do that was the difference in the sides.
We have just played the Champions of Europe, and we did'nt look out of place.
Really excited for next year tbh.
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
WHAT!!!!!
Were you watching a different game to the rest of us? Or are you a closet Chelsea fan?
Terry should have gone 1st half for the foul on Sylla when through on goal.
I haven't time to list all the others
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Back home. John Terry is a c***. The only player i've ever been happy to see stretchered off. Because he's a c*** and sums everything I hate about the modern game.
P.s.
John Terry is a c***.
This.
Personally, I hope he's snapped his achilles, or whatever he hurt, and it ends his career.
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
WHAT!!!!!
Were you watching a different game to the rest of us? Or are you a closet Chelsea fan?
Terry should have gone 1st half for the foul on Sylla when through on goal.
I haven't time to list all the others
Less of that please. From the site rules.
Please do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
WHAT!!!!!
Were you watching a different game to the rest of us? Or are you a closet Chelsea fan?
Terry should have gone 1st half for the foul on Sylla when through on goal.
I haven't time to list all the others
That's a very rude thing to say to a fellow Villa fan.
Take a deep breath.
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Back home. John Terry is a c***. The only player i've ever been happy to see stretchered off. Because he's a c*** and sums everything I hate about the modern game.
P.s.
John Terry is a c***.
This.
Personally, I hope he's snapped his achilles, or whatever he hurt, and it ends his career.
I don't like Terry, but wishing a career-ending injury on any player is plain wrong.
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
WHAT!!!!!
Were you watching a different game to the rest of us? Or are you a closet Chelsea fan?
Terry should have gone 1st half for the foul on Sylla when through on goal.
I haven't time to list all the others
Less of that please. From the site rules.
Please do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
Sorry, mate
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Lambo blaming referee.
Good on him. Right or wrong, that's what the great managers do. Then shout at the players later.
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Thanks for the apology Nigel, appreciated.
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Back home. John Terry is a c***. The only player i've ever been happy to see stretchered off. Because he's a c*** and sums everything I hate about the modern game.
P.s.
John Terry is a c***.
This.
Personally, I hope he's snapped his achilles, or whatever he hurt, and it ends his career.
I don't like Terry, but wishing a career-ending injury on any player is plain wrong.
I normally have this rule, but as this is a man who would quite easily try to end another players career and then walk away as if nothing as happened, I suspend it for him.
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Back home. John Terry is a c***. The only player i've ever been happy to see stretchered off. Because he's a c*** and sums everything I hate about the modern game.
P.s.
John Terry is a c***.
This.
Personally, I hope he's snapped his achilles, or whatever he hurt, and it ends his career.
I don't like Terry, but wishing a career-ending injury on any player is plain wrong.
There were probably 40,000 people who'd agree with me when he was stretchered off
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I normally have this rule, but as this is a man who would quite easily try to end another players career and then walk away as if nothing as happened, I suspend it for him.
Is pretty much how i'd feel. I wouldn't wish serious injury on any player normally, but in the case of the racist cheat i'm not so sure. I don't think i've ever hated a player as much as I do him.
Look at how he was jeered and mocked when injured, I can't recall that much venom aimed at a player by the VP crowd before either. Then look at how Fat Fwank was applauded off, just to show it wasn't pettiness or anything.
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the reff spoiled a good game with his I aint got a clue how to reff the wanker
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Just back, thought I'd share my views on the afternoon.
Referee made his life much more difficult than needed with Baker's booking. Set a ridiculous benchmark early on, no way back from there.
At 11v10, we delivered a masterclass on how to play it.
Good to see Lampard get a nice round of applause as he left. Stunning achievement, 203 goals from midfield. Never really had anything against him other than him playing for the club he does, and his unerring knack of netting against us. Again, he was the difference between them and us today. I doff my cap, sir.
A mention for that much-maligned group, Chelsea supporters. Well, those that stayed til the end for Stan anyway. Thank-you. The rest of them behaved like cocks.
David Luiz didn't have to come over to the Trinity to give that lad his autograph, but he did. Fair play. Shame he often fails to play the game in the same spirit.
Some of the football we played today was superb, a pity we couldn't quite carve out a few more clear-cut goal-scoring opportunities. Thought we were superb all over the pitch, the energy and technique and teamwork from everyone massively belied our league position. Sylla was excellent, and Delph is getting better every time he plays. Pity about the obligatory defensive howler, seems the contagion has spread to our midfield now! Gutted for Tekkers being denied an opportunity to make us older 'uns stop harping back to Withey, have to get thirty next season to make amends. I shall reserve judgement on his red until I've seen it on MOTD.
And a final mention for that dank tuft of rectal pubic hair. I hope Fat Fwank went up to him afterwards and told him, "they've just clapped me off". I pray I never have to pay to watch him again.
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The ref did seem shit to me, for example how did he give a foul in the first half for, i'm assuming dangerous play, when the Chavski player (Terry?) was doing a diving header at knee height?
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Fuck Terry. I hope his horrible racist face never darkens a pitch again.
Odious ******.
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Back home. John Terry is a c***. The only player i've ever been happy to see stretchered off. Because he's a c*** and sums everything I hate about the modern game.
P.s.
John Terry is a c***.
This.
Personally, I hope he's snapped his achilles, or whatever he hurt, and it ends his career.
I don't like Terry, but wishing a career-ending injury on any player is plain wrong.
Yes, it is wrong.
However, that cheating, repulsive, vile, thug deserves whatever ills come his way.
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I normally have this rule, but as this is a man who would quite easily try to end another players career and then walk away as if nothing as happened, I suspend it for him.
Is pretty much how i'd feel. I wouldn't wish serious injury on any player normally, but in the case of the racist cheat i'm not so sure. I don't think i've ever hated a player as much as I do him.
Look at how he was jeered and mocked when injured, I can't recall that much venom aimed at a player by the VP crowd before either. Then look at how Fat Fwank was applauded off, just to show it wasn't pettiness or anything.
I didn't like him much anyway as a player or a person, but the Milner challenge and then the racist incident put me over the edge with him. With the Milner challenge, that could have been career ending and he just got up and walked away, not even checking on him after. Plus he has the dead eyes of a shark. So anything that hastens the departure from the football field and into obscurity is a blessing.
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A mention for that much-maligned group, Chelsea supporters. Well, those that stayed til the end for Stan anyway. Thank-you. The rest of them behaved like cocks.
Hardly a peep from them on Witton Lane before the game, I started to wonder if any had traveled. Were great during the 19th minute, some even held up the poster from the programme. Then they turned in propa nawty geezers.
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Back home. John Terry is a c***. The only player i've ever been happy to see stretchered off. Because he's a c*** and sums everything I hate about the modern game.
P.s.
John Terry is a c***.
This.
Personally, I hope he's snapped his achilles, or whatever he hurt, and it ends his career.
I don't like Terry, but wishing a career-ending injury on any player is plain wrong.
There were probably 40,000 people who'd agree with me when he was stretchered off
You can add another one to the 40,000. I can't think of anything bad enough for the odious little tosser
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I normally have this rule, but as this is a man who would quite easily try to end another players career and then walk away as if nothing as happened, I suspend it for him.
Is pretty much how i'd feel. I wouldn't wish serious injury on any player normally, but in the case of the racist cheat i'm not so sure. I don't think i've ever hated a player as much as I do him.
Look at how he was jeered and mocked when injured, I can't recall that much venom aimed at a player by the VP crowd before either. Then look at how Fat Fwank was applauded off, just to show it wasn't pettiness or anything.
For me Terry is on the same 'complete scum' level as Lee Bowyer and Joey Barton. Him being likened to Bobby Moore and guaranteed an England spot for the last 10years is the main reason why I really don't give a shit about England. Like the others if he wasn't rich and famous he'd be in prison but thanks to the stupid money in football he's rich enough to do what he likes. I've said before, If I reffed a game with him in it I tell him at the coin toss that If I heard him speak complain once he'd be in the book, I reckon he'd last about 5 minutes before the first yellow and at most another 10 before he was in the shower. His reputation is based almost entirely on him 'chirping' at the ref for 90minutes and trying to ref the game himself. See also Steven Gerrard and Wayne Rooney, England will be far better off when the lot of them are long gone, so long as we don't replace them with like for like.
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Back home. John Terry is a c***. The only player i've ever been happy to see stretchered off. Because he's a c*** and sums everything I hate about the modern game.
P.s.
John Terry is a c***.
This.
Personally, I hope he's snapped his achilles, or whatever he hurt, and it ends his career.
I don't like Terry, but wishing a career-ending injury on any player is plain wrong.
Yes, it is wrong.
However, that cheating, repulsive, vile, thug deserves whatever ills come his way.
He will die a sad, bitter and twisted man.
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Our useful exuberance has been to our benefit in recent weeks but it cost us today - we should have seen it out and taken the point. That said, plenty to be encouraged about - we certainly don't look like relegation fodder at all any more and I think we'll be fine.
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He will die a sad, bitter and twisted man.
So die as he lives then.
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The piece of shit even tries to claim his innocence. It's just one of many many reasons I cheered when he went off.
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It occurs to me that something like 190 of Lampard's 202 goals have come against us - well, more than against any other side, anyway. Which would seem to confirm we have lacked a proper defensive mid for years now and are uniformly bollocks at tracking back midfield runners. Something that Lambert could really do with addressing next season.
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There was a Chelsea fan sat behind me with his young daughter,
they never said a word, but you just know don't you,
anyway at half time I turned to him and said 'are you Chelsea' he said yes, I said have you ever seen Chelsea play as bad as that, he said never, they were as bad as he could remember
Which just goes to show we should have took advantage
After the Chelsea fella got sent of we became to cock sure and complacent, we are not that good yet, and we should have been going for the jugular, rather than thinking another goal would come with time,
Benteke got sent of which changed the whole pattern of the match
Good display, but gutted as we were the better team today, and lost it through over confidence and lack of experience
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Be very funny if he misses the final. Although what odds that the brave and selfless John Terry will manage to rise from his deathbed to collect the trophy if they win?
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Be very funny if he misses the final. Although what odds that the brave and selfless John Terry will manage to rise from his deathbed to collect the trophy if they win?
Again
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
WHAT!!!!!
Were you watching a different game to the rest of us? Or are you a closet Chelsea fan?
Terry should have gone 1st half for the foul on Sylla when through on goal.
I haven't time to list all the others
I don't think Terry should have been sent off for the foul on Sylla, as Cashley was covering. Now whether he'd have got there or not is a matter for debate, but it was about 35 yards from goal and the referee would have been guessing at best. I'd have been well pissed off if Vlaar or Baker had been sent off in similar circumstances.
I don't think any of our penalty appeals were penalties either. Again I wouldn't have been happy if they'd gone against us.
I suppose Baker was unlucky to pick up a yellow for his challenge, but that's more the nature of the modern game than any big mistake by the referee.
So I reiterate, the major decisions in the game, I believe the referee got right.
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Be very funny if he misses the final. Although what odds that the brave and selfless John Terry will manage to rise from his deathbed to collect the trophy if they win?
Doubt he would have been selected to play in any case - dirty weasel.
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
WHAT!!!!!
Were you watching a different game to the rest of us? Or are you a closet Chelsea fan?
Terry should have gone 1st half for the foul on Sylla when through on goal.
I haven't time to list all the others
Less of that please. From the site rules.
Please do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
Sorry, mate
oops, I posted my previous reply without looking further.
No worries.
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The piece of shit even tries to claim his innocence. It's just one of many many reasons I cheered when he went off.
That has just put my back up again regarding Howard Webb!!! Grrrrrrrr
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And Andy Townsend for defending it, one of the few times I though Clive was decent in his commentary.
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Our useful exuberance has been to our benefit in recent weeks but it cost us today - we should have seen it out and taken the point. That said, plenty to be encouraged about - we certainly don't look like relegation fodder at all any more and I think we'll be fine.
I think one of the most encouraging aspects of the performance was the way the team responded after the Chelsea equaliser. Unfortunately without Benteke, there wasn't the threat going through the middle, and Chelsea could deal with Gabby and Weimann much more comfortably.
For me, this game and recent weeks has shown the potential of a really decent side developing. Provided we keep key players and invest wisely on the defence, next season could be very enjoyable.
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I don't think Terry should have been sent off for the foul on Sylla, as Cashley was covering. Now whether he'd have got there or not is a matter for debate, but it was about 35 yards from goal and the referee would have been guessing at best. I'd have been well pissed off if Vlaar or Baker had been sent off in similar circumstances.
I don't think any of our penalty appeals were penalties either. Again I wouldn't have been happy if they'd gone against us.
I suppose Baker was unlucky to pick up a yellow for his challenge, but that's more the nature of the modern game than any big mistake by the referee.
So I reiterate, the major decisions in the game, I believe the referee got right.
I thought the Sylla one was touch and go on a straight red, but I guess you didn't believe John Fuckweasal should have gone for a second yellow for a high arm into Weimann on the stroke of half time?
Not that the ref would send two off in quick succession, and definitely not that vile man. Only foreign refs seem to not be in his pocket.
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Benteke sending off changed everything, haven't been to many games this season and have to say the football we played today was great to watch, just so hard knowing we are not quite there yet so the agony goes on a while longer.
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Just checking the score and reading this thread.
All I can say is feck. Sounds like three points thrown away.
Given away by the referee.
We was robbed rather. Still, signs of progress clearly there again?
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As an aside to the reffing; in the last quarter of the game, Cech parried a shot that went to a Villa player on the floor well wide of the 18 yd box. It was offside. I understand that it is. But why are so many goals given when a player is stood directly in front of the keeper in an offside position? Is it because the downed villa player stood up and touched the ball, thus "interfering with play", something a player stood directly in front of a player isn't doing?
I'm drunk.
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I don't think Terry should have been sent off for the foul on Sylla, as Cashley was covering. Now whether he'd have got there or not is a matter for debate, but it was about 35 yards from goal and the referee would have been guessing at best. I'd have been well pissed off if Vlaar or Baker had been sent off in similar circumstances.
I don't think any of our penalty appeals were penalties either. Again I wouldn't have been happy if they'd gone against us.
I suppose Baker was unlucky to pick up a yellow for his challenge, but that's more the nature of the modern game than any big mistake by the referee.
So I reiterate, the major decisions in the game, I believe the referee got right.
I thought the Sylla one was touch and go on a straight red, but I guess you didn't believe John Fuckweasal should have gone for a second yellow for a high arm into Weimann on the stroke of half time?
Not that the ref would send two off in quick succession, and definitely not that vile man. Only foreign refs seem to not be in his pocket.
In fairness, I think the slow motion made that one look a lot worse than it was. It only really looked like the rascist's hand brushed Andi's face. I suppose it could have been a yellow, but I always like to look at these incidents as to how I'd feel if a Villa player had been in a similar position. Again I would have screamed blue murder if one of ours was booked for it.
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It shows Small Rodent. If the player in front of the keeper in an offside position does touch it, it will give offside, unless the player is a red manc in which case he will get Goal of the month.
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I don't think Terry should have been sent off for the foul on Sylla, as Cashley was covering. Now whether he'd have got there or not is a matter for debate, but it was about 35 yards from goal and the referee would have been guessing at best. I'd have been well pissed off if Vlaar or Baker had been sent off in similar circumstances.
I don't think any of our penalty appeals were penalties either. Again I wouldn't have been happy if they'd gone against us.
I suppose Baker was unlucky to pick up a yellow for his challenge, but that's more the nature of the modern game than any big mistake by the referee.
So I reiterate, the major decisions in the game, I believe the referee got right.
I thought the Sylla one was touch and go on a straight red, but I guess you didn't believe John Fuckweasal should have gone for a second yellow for a high arm into Weimann on the stroke of half time?
Not that the ref would send two off in quick succession, and definitely not that vile man. Only foreign refs seem to not be in his pocket.
In fairness, I think the slow motion made that one look a lot worse than it was. It only really looked like the rascist's hand brushed Andi's face. I suppose it could have been a yellow, but I always like to look at these incidents as to how I'd feel if a Villa player had been in a similar position. Again I would have screamed blue murder if one of ours was booked for it.
I saw it live and thought it should have been a yellow at least as he blocked him off with a high hand.
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Anyone heard anything about someone dying on the Ads car park this afternoon?
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Yes.
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anyway at half time I turned to him and said 'are you Chelsea' he said yes, I said have you ever seen Chelsea play as bad as that, he said never, they were as bad as he could remember
Which just goes to show we should have took advantage
Why do you think Chelsea were just bad? Maybe we had something to do with that? We took advantage by paying well and making them look bad and lead lead 1-0.
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Yes.
Thanks, most informative.
Love ya.
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A man of few words, me.
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Anyone heard anything about someone dying on the Ads car park this afternoon?
I know an Ambulance pulled up just outside the Chippy at Witton Lane, but assume that isn't where you meant?
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City down to 10 men. McManaman is really starting to grate on me as a player.
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One raced past myself, Dave and Steve at the bus stop at around 3pm heading towards the Adventurers.
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Wrong thread.... boooo me.
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City down to 10 men. McManaman is really starting to grate on me as a player.
And how does this relate to Villa v Chavski? :P
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It shows Small Rodent. If the player in front of the keeper in an offside position does touch it, it will give offside, unless the player is a red manc in which case he will get Goal of the month.
Ha ha! Re-reading what I wrote, I did answer my own question!
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Have you ever seen a player give the ball away so much as Sideshow Bob?
NRC.
Luiz was garbage today, first 10 passes, 9 must have gone to Westwood or Sylla.
I think Neville summed him up right calling him a playstation player as to the armchair fan who never goes to live games he looks "amazeballs" because he scores a 35 yard free kick every so often.
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I can't believe this hasn't been picked up by anybody else but here goes.
By jingo, John Terry is a count. A fecking count, at that.
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Have you ever seen a player give the ball away so much as Sideshow Bob?
NRC.
Luiz was garbage today, first 10 passes, 9 must have gone to Westwood or Sylla.
I think Neville summed him up right calling him a playstation player as to the armchair fan who never goes to live games he looks "amazeballs" because he scores a 35 yard free kick every so often.
I agree mostly, but when he gets it right he unplayable, he was easily man of the match in the game down there, for example. Most of the time he's a long long way from being a £20m defender.
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City down to 10 men. McManaman is really starting to grate on me as a player.
Yes he is cheese!
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One raced past myself, Dave and Steve at the bus stop at around 3pm heading towards the Adventurers.
Two police vans went flying up towards there just after the match ended.
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One raced past myself, Dave and Steve at the bus stop at around 3pm heading towards the Adventurers.
Two police vans went flying up towards there just after the match ended.
Was it a shooting / stabbing / heart attack ??
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Heart attack.
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I wasn't going to go to today's game but so glad I did. Despite the result it didn't seem a bad performance to me. Like others, I can't imagine John Terry having any redeeming features. The only thing good thing I can say about Chelsea is those fans who stayed for the lap of honour and held up posters for Stan should be proud of themselves.
Regarding the lap of honour, possibly one of the most poignant ones but it also felt positive in a sort of life affirming way.
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It was nice how the rain stopped and the sun came out for Stan.
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We deserved to beat a decent team who just six months ago put eight past us. If you can't see positives in that you might as well give up.
Positive won't keep us in the PL, only points will. We had them in the bag and could have been sitting back chillin watching all the other clubs fans panicking in the final week. That's why I'm so pissed off with Benteke, he really didn't need to risk raising his boot like that, and he's given me at least two more days of tension and anxiety I could do without at the moment. For me there's nothing worse than having to get something on the final day and that could still be necessary. Many people are very blase about writing off Wigan's chances at Arsenal but they looked pretty good today, beat a team full of expensive stars and they've pulled out big results like this in previous seasons. So bloody unnecessary. Why do we do it to ourselves?
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Let's see how the results go tomorrow before we all get in a panic about Tuesday.
Yes we still won't be mathematically safe but you could be looking at a scenario where Sunderland have to go to Spurs and win to overtake us for example.
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Let's see how the results go tomorrow before we all get in a panic about Tuesday.
Yes we still won't be mathematically safe but you could be looking at a scenario where Sunderland have to go to Spurs and win to overtake us for example.
A spurs win at stoke keeps the pressure on arsenal and spurs to keep winning.
Qpr may well owe their fans a performance and Norwich will be jittery against the Albion - plenty of drama tomorrow.
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Let's see how the results go tomorrow before we all get in a panic about Tuesday.
Yes we still won't be mathematically safe but you could be looking at a scenario where Sunderland have to go to Spurs and win to overtake us for example.
Not if Sunderland beat Southampton.
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Let's see how the results go tomorrow before we all get in a panic about Tuesday.
Yes we still won't be mathematically safe but you could be looking at a scenario where Sunderland have to go to Spurs and win to overtake us for example.
Not if Sunderland beat Southampton.
Well sunderland or southampton will enter the last game below us for sure.
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So we have to rely on Arsenal. Fucking pathetic.
FFS get a grip. Not fucking pathetic and we don't HAVE to rely on Arsenal. We are well ahead of Wigan and they have to WIN at Arsenal and even if they do we will not lose at Wigan.
We do have to rely on Arsenal if we don't want to go into the final day without needing to get something. That was my concern, especially without Benteke, which you selectively ignored in your quote.
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Why no subs to get some sort of grip or give us a focal point. Both gabby and Weimann looked crocked as Benteke went off. Surprised they ended the match. And then no changes when we went 2-1 down with 7mins stoppage time to play? A penalty box finisher when we're at that point of just getting balls into the box?
And why, oh why, why lump corners onto the penalty spot when they have twice as many tall players as we do (again after Benteke went off)?
(On the last point, I accept that you could just as easily ask the question as to why Wigan would do the same in the last minute of the cup final when the opposition has Toure, Kompany et al in it, but we did it 4-5 times).
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@MatKendrick: As well as Christian Benteke's sending off, Rafa Benitez's decision to send on David Luiz changed the game in Chelsea's favour today #avfc
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Thought the timing of their sending off was at the wrong time for us. Just before half time so we didn't have much time to take advantage of their disarray and then it gave Benitez all half time to reorganise.
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@MatKendrick: As well as Christian Benteke's sending off, Rafa Benitez's decision to send on David Luiz changed the game in Chelsea's favour today #avfc
Really, why? Luiz did barely anything, had no hand in the goals and didn't really stop us attacking. The only decision that affected the game with that sub was he replaced Moses and not changed Lampard who was ineffective until the goals.
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Yes for anyone recorded the match then at least watch the first 10 minutes of the second half (before it all goes wrong) and in that time Luiz must have passed the ball straight to us 5 or 6 times in a row.
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The first 15 mins of the 2nd half until Benteke went off, we looked like scoring every time we went forward. Luiz came on at half time and was getting completely overrun by our midfield.
Benteke stays on, we would definitely have won the match.
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Yes for anyone recorded the match then at least watch the first 10 minutes of the second half (before it all goes wrong) and in that time Luiz must have passed the ball straight to us 5 or 6 times in a row.
And this is part of the frustrating way we play at times.
We are given possession (or win it through scrapping hard) and then seem not to take advantage of being given it. Gabby, and Weimann in particular, wasted ball in good positions far too many times today.
Bugger!
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The first 15 mins of the 2nd half until Benteke went off, we looked like scoring every time we went forward. Luiz came on at half time and was getting completely overrun by our midfield.
Benteke stays on, we would definitely have won the match.
This for me. And there is no way that Arsenal will give Wigan 3 points on Tuesday, no fucking way. I hate this shite end of the season shite, again.
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Still boils down to a lack of experience for me. What is it with the 60 minute mark? We've seen this against Man Utd, L'pool and now Chelsea - from winning to losing in the last half-an-hour. Defence is still the Achilles heel. Just gutted after today. Lambert: address the defence!
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Still boils down to a lack of experience for me. What is it with the 60 minute mark? We've seen this against Man Utd, L'pool and now Chelsea - from winning to losing in the last half-an-hour. Defence is still the Achilles heel. Just gutted after today. Lambert: address the defence!
Composure has a lot to do with it. How many times did we try to whack the ball away in our box and hit it straight to a Chelsea player when, with a little composure, we could have brought it down and played it out to a Villa player.
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Like many others, think we threw that away. Looks like Lambert has found another gem in Sylla.
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@MatKendrick: As well as Christian Benteke's sending off, Rafa Benitez's decision to send on David Luiz changed the game in Chelsea's favour today #avfc
Yes I wonder what match Kendrick was watching? Typical presssy looking at style rather than substance. Luiz was pants.
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This panic and losing games in the last 30 minutes is all down to experience. Composure, learning how to slow down the pace of the game, time wasting, gamesmanship are all things we should be learning from this season. An experienced head in midfield would have probably given us four or five more points...
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Just got back and I am absolutely furious!
The referee (Lee Mason?) was absolutely shocking, how can he call himself a referee?
John Terry epitomises everything I dispise in today's modern footballer, he is a scumbag and vile with it!
After Terry got Benteke sent off only one team was going to win that game, we just capitulated after that whereas before that I seriously thought we would go on and win the game.
P.S. I hope the referee got his lift back on the Chelsea coach okay?
Dont be so ridiculous. Benteke should have gone earlier for the elbow. The ref got both decisions right.
I presume that you weren't there to comment from your armchair but obviously don't let that stop you!
I assume that Terry's elbow didn't count then?
Just lost any measure of credibility with that armchair comment.
Why do people get so uppity when those who were at the game make comment about the opinions of those who were not. The armchair brigade have to accept that they cannot see the whole picture when watching on a telly unlike a person at the game who can see the whole pitch including what is happening "off camera". To me it just comes across as a bit of a guilt trip.
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I thought it was 90 minutes that perfectly encapsulated our season. Excellent in parts but riddled with defensive lapses that invited pressure, for the umpteenth time a basic failure to clear the ball cost us the game.
Thought the Benteke sending off was the pivotal moment, before we looked very comfortable, after we looked like we'd struggle to hand on. There was a time when Gabby got down the left and had to go back inside as our arial threat just wasn't there. We lost the ball.
Still, I thought we more than deserved a point and just when I think I can't despise those Cockney plastic wankers anymore they surpass themselves. Nothing trivial for Mr Terry I hope.
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Just got back and I am absolutely furious!
The referee (Lee Mason?) was absolutely shocking, how can he call himself a referee?
John Terry epitomises everything I dispise in today's modern footballer, he is a scumbag and vile with it!
After Terry got Benteke sent off only one team was going to win that game, we just capitulated after that whereas before that I seriously thought we would go on and win the game.
P.S. I hope the referee got his lift back on the Chelsea coach okay?
Dont be so ridiculous. Benteke should have gone earlier for the elbow. The ref got both decisions right.
I presume that you weren't there to comment from your armchair but obviously don't let that stop you!
I assume that Terry's elbow didn't count then?
Just lost any measure of credibility with that armchair comment.
Why do people get so uppity when those who were at the game make comment about the opinions of those who were not. The armchair brigade have to accept that they cannot see the whole picture when watching on a telly unlike a person at the game who can see the whole pitch including what is happening "off camera". To me it just comes across as a bit of a guilt trip.
Pointed this out to my match companion today - if you are not there you do not experience the ebb and flow of a match as it changes before you.
Opinions are all well and good but I tend to give more validity and creadance to those from people who attend matches.
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I think that next season we'll beat at least three of this season's top four.
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I wasn't in an armchair or at the match but I was surprised Benteke didn't get a straight red for his blatant elbow.
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
WHAT!!!!!
Were you watching a different game to the rest of us? Or are you a closet Chelsea fan?
Terry should have gone 1st half for the foul on Sylla when through on goal.
I haven't time to list all the others
Less of that please. From the site rules.
Please do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
He didn't accuse he asked a question but never mind it's ok for you to call a player a c*** three times in one post, my god you moderators really do beggar belief at times talk about double standards.
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If the unthinkable happens and Wigan beat Arsenal, then Benteke is going to be a big miss next week.
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Hmmm, so you think saying a bad thing about a fellow fan (calling someone who isn't one a Chelski fan is a bad thing), is the same as calling that Cnutwich John Cnuting Terry a Cnut.
"John Terry, you know what you are"
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The thing I hate about the unthinkable is being forced to think about it.
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Where's the double standards? John Terry's mother calls him a ******.
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If the unthinkable happens and Wigan beat Arsenal, then Benteke is going to be a big miss next week.
Maybe, although I think Weimann down the middle with Gabby and NZogbia wide will see us still tear them apart.
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In my opinion Kendrick is correct about Luiz. They looked x100 times better with him on
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Where's the double standards? John Terry's mother calls him a c***.
My perception of the Terry family is such that I feel sorry for the super rich. Imagine holidaying in your luxurious yacht, and having the Terry family nearby.
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I wasn't in an armchair or at the match but I was surprised Benteke didn't get a straight red for his blatant elbow.
Except it wasn't an elbow, it was a forearm across the side of the neck.
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Hmmm, so you think saying a bad thing about a fellow fan (calling someone who isn't one a Chelski fan is a bad thing), is the same as calling that Cnutwich John Cnuting Terry a Cnut.
"John Terry, you know what you are"
Please look again at the post, he/she asked a question and even qualified that by putting a question mark at the end of the sentence.
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Well that's our season in a handy bite-size match.
Players with great promise who play well in patches but switch off at vital moments in matches that cost us vital points.
More quality experience just to bring off the bench would have given us the points that would have seen us safe by now, but we may now go into the last game without our best player needing something.
Lambert's vision is pure and applauded by many, but I hope this lack of experience isn't going to bite us with one final death bite next weekend.
Plus points of this season: Guzan's emergence as a quality goalkeeper, Lowton's as a class full back, Nathan Baker as a fine central defender, the consistent Westwood, and of course Benteke.
Delph and Weimann in parts, but imagine a Petrov in there just to slow the game down in key moments.
Good luck to Stan in whatever he does, and big respect to the twenty r so Chelsea fans who stayed behind to applaud him on his lap of honour.
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Roll on next Sunday. UTV.
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Where's the double standards? John Terry's mother calls him a c***.
My perception of the Terry family is such that I feel sorry for the super rich. Imagine holidaying in your luxurious yacht, and having the Terry family nearby.
A Post of the Year contender. Bravo!
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Where's the double standards? John Terry's mother calls him a c***.
The double standards Dave (in my opinion of course) are that the original poster did not accuse, they asked a question (check definition of the use of a question mark in the basic rules of the English language), but it seems just because a moderator says so it is not a question but a full on accusation, then in the same post the moderators uses a very offensive expletive three times to define a player.
Another classic piece of over-moderation on this forum that regrettably is becoming all too more frequent.
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
WHAT!!!!!
Were you watching a different game to the rest of us? Or are you a closet Chelsea fan?
Terry should have gone 1st half for the foul on Sylla when through on goal.
I haven't time to list all the others
Less of that please. From the site rules.
Please do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
He didn't accuse he asked a question but never mind it's ok for you to call a player a c*** three times in one post, my god you moderators really do beggar belief at times talk about double standards.
Yeah well out of order- John Terry deserves more than 3 c*nts by a country mile.I really hope he doesn't make a living in football when he retires-the guy has to be the most odious w*nker ever , in a profession that has more than it's fair share of scumbags.
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If you think this forum's over-moderated try somewhere else.
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Dion might just pinch him.
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Well that's our season in a handy bite-size match.
Players with great promise who play well in patches but switch off at vital moments in matches that cost us vital points.
More quality experience just to bring off the bench would have given us the points that would have seen us safe by now, but we may now go into the last game without our best player needing something.
Lambert's vision is pure and applauded by many, but I hope this lack of experience isn't going to bite us with one final death bite next weekend.
Plus points of this season: Guzan's emergence as a quality goalkeeper, Lowton's as a class full back, Nathan Baker as a fine central defender, the consistent Westwood, and of course Benteke.
Delph and Weimann in parts, but imagine a Petrov in there just to slow the game down in key moments.
Good luck to Stan in whatever he does, and big respect to the twenty r so Chelsea fans who stayed behind to applaud him on his lap of honour.
Very well put. Good job that we will probably just be able to party at the Deluded Wanker Stadium. Go Gooners!
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Balls.
Come on Arsenal.
And Albion, QPR, Southampton.
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So MOTD decided to show nothing of the rest of our play. What about Bennett's deflected close effort for one?
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I think that next season we'll beat at least three of this season's top four.
And the other one of them in the F.A. Cup Final
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The great thing was 11 v 11 we were toe to toe with them and just as good. Our first 11 is getting there. The 7 on the bench need to match that level now or push some of the 11 onto it. Then we will be a formidable proposition.
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Savage is now saying it was over the line as it disappeared on the next frame even though the next frame it could easily have been cleared and been behind Ba.
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It was over the line though x
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Savage is now saying it was over the line as it disappeared on the next frame even though the next frame it could easily have been cleared and been behind Ba.
Savage should realise that Linesmen don't see in frames. What does he expect? You can't be definitive with replays so how's the human eye supposed to get it right? Does he expect forwards to be just given the benefit of doubt. This is why we need goal-line technology. Until then the linesmen was absolutely right not to give it if he couldn't be sure - and he couldn't.
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Savage said in that frame it wasn't fully over, then said it disappeared next frame so should have been, even though it could easily have disappeared behind Ba as easily as behind Westwood. Yes, technology might have called that over, but until it is in place, you have to rely on the physical eye and as it is neither official could have been sure it was.
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It was over the line though x
No it was cleared....so there!
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It was definitely cleared. It was over though. X
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Savage is now saying it was over the line as it disappeared on the next frame even though the next frame it could easily have been cleared and been behind Ba.
Yeah, I was hoping big Dion would stand up and reintroduce him to March 2003.
As for the game, I thought we were cruising till Benteke was sent off. He didn't deserve to be - for that offence anyway - but the precedent had already been set by the Ramires red card. Otherwise we played some nice stuff, and Sylla is proving to be the snappy terrier we needed months ago. If he adds a bit of muscle in the summer he'll be an even stronger force I feel.
Going back to an earlier argument regarding non-attendance of games and validity of opinions I can only say there is no right or wrong answer.
I have to confess I've left Villa Park on occasions with absolute conviction on certain incidents only to be proved wrong when watching MOTD later that evening. If anything it proves what a difficult job officials have, as these decisions are so often simply based on your viewpoint at the time.
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One would hope so. 8)
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Do I detect a nose?
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To be honest I thought the only thing the ref got wrong was not to send off Benteke for the elbow.
WHAT!!!!!
Were you watching a different game to the rest of us? Or are you a closet Chelsea fan?
Terry should have gone 1st half for the foul on Sylla when through on goal.
I haven't time to list all the others
Less of that please. From the site rules.
Please do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
He didn't accuse he asked a question but never mind it's ok for you to call a player a c*** three times in one post, my god you moderators really do beggar belief at times talk about double standards.
Yes he did. And he apologised and all was over and done with very quickly and very amicably. And then for some reason 5 hours later you decide to dredge it up again. I wonder why?
And yes it is. John Terry is a ******. I'll say it a hundred times in one post if you like?
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So MOTD decided to show nothing of the rest of our play. What about Bennett's deflected close effort for one?
Yes.MOtD spends more time discussing the match or showing 5 or 6 reruns of goals,the second half showing was a travesty and the first half not much better,especially in ignoring Delph's performance and his run and shot in the first half. It's not Match of the day but goals or defensive mistakes of the day.The programme needs a total overhaul.
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Awful coverage from MOTD. At least they gave Stan equal coverage with fat fwank.
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I missed MOTD was going to ask if they gave much coverage to Stan.
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Savage is now saying it was over the line as it disappeared on the next frame even though the next frame it could easily have been cleared and been behind Ba.
He was right about Baker handling for a penalty. Hadn't heard mention of that.
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Can't be bothered to go back and quote it, but the comment about seeing the game better when you're there is largely bollocks I'm afraid. How often are you genuinely watching the other end of the pitch rather than the area where the ball is? You might see a run a little clearer, but if it's important to the game here are 3-4 replays anyway so making an opinion of events is just as easy for someone watching on TV inmost cases. Where you do miss something is in the defensive shape, but unless it's bad enough to lead to goals being conceded that's largely irrelevant, other than as something to watch out for.
I've watched a lot of football live and a lot on TV and I've genuinely never felt that I was better placed to offer analysis of the game because I'd been in the ground. To me comments like that are just "I'm a better fan than you" crap when you can't think of a better argument to use.
People will disagree on aspects of the game, today for example, I thought Benteke's 2nd yellow was a terrible decision made on the basis of numbers on the pitch rather than the seriousness of the offence, others will disagree with me, which is fine. What's not fine is to think that my opinion on it is worth less because I watched on TV 2000 miles away.
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I think it varies. In some ways watching on TV is no different, or can help. For example as I am Lower North I get a crap view of anything in the other half, and had no idea Benteke had used his elbow in his first yellow, it looked harsh to me in the ground. Often the only way I know we've scored at the Holte is when the Holte goes up.
In others you see things the TV doesn't show. Especially when I was Upper Trinity you could see the whole game much better than on TV. You'd see workrate better, off the ball movement and runs and so on.
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I am usually gutted after we lose but not today. I thought we were the better team for a lot of that game, that is astounding when you think of the money spent. So we got unlucky with our chances and they got lucky with theirs, it happens.
Well played lads, keep on like that and I cant WAIT for next season. Great effort.
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We worked hard, and ultimately came up against a better quality side. That's all. We had our chances, they had theirs. I don't get the hate of Lampard. He's a quality player and in my opinion never comes across as a wanker. I'd certainly not reserve hate for him when there are so many more deserving characters on their team. We aren't at Chelsea's level and might never be, but we worked hard and lost. It happens. I don't think we have anything to worry about going into Wigan because I can't see them getting any more than a point. Arsenal want CL football and like Chelsea they'll take care of business.
We are a work in progress and we are moving in the right direction despite today. Our first job is to beat consistently the teams around and below us. We've been doing that. With a bit more quality we'll be able to compete more consistently against those in the upper tier of the league.
bang on, china
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We worked hard, and ultimately came up against a better quality side. That's all. We had our chances, they had theirs. I don't get the hate of Lampard. He's a quality player and in my opinion never comes across as a wanker. I'd certainly not reserve hate for him when there are so many more deserving characters on their team. We aren't at Chelsea's level and might never be, but we worked hard and lost. It happens. I don't think we have anything to worry about going into Wigan because I can't see them getting any more than a point. Arsenal want CL football and like Chelsea they'll take care of business.
We are a work in progress and we are moving in the right direction despite today. Our first job is to beat consistently the teams around and below us. We've been doing that. With a bit more quality we'll be able to compete more consistently against those in the upper tier of the league.
bang on, china
Totally agree as well Toronto, well put. We will be fine.
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What's not fine is to think that my opinion on it is worth less because I watched on TV 2000 miles away.
You really need to get a little closer to the TV before you start commenting on incidents!
However, seriously, I agree with you. I am always at VP. I love sitting in the crowd and being able to see the whole pitch and how the play develops. All that is much better but for serious incidents I am often wrong after seeing it in TV. Yesterday however I thought both sending off's were correct and we were very lucky with the no goal.
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It was definitely cleared. It was over though. X
If it was cleared on the second frame where you couldn't see the ball, then it wasn't over. On the first frame, the whole of the ball wasn't over, as Savage correctly pointed out. What a lot of pundits and fans fail to take into account is the curve of the ball above the line. If that isn't over as well, it's not a goal.
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We worked hard, and ultimately came up against a better quality side. That's all. We had our chances, they had theirs. I don't get the hate of Lampard. He's a quality player and in my opinion never comes across as a wanker. I'd certainly not reserve hate for him when there are so many more deserving characters on their team. We aren't at Chelsea's level and might never be, but we worked hard and lost. It happens. I don't think we have anything to worry about going into Wigan because I can't see them getting any more than a point. Arsenal want CL football and like Chelsea they'll take care of business.
We are a work in progress and we are moving in the right direction despite today. Our first job is to beat consistently the teams around and below us. We've been doing that. With a bit more quality we'll be able to compete more consistently against those in the upper tier of the league.
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Totally agree as well Toronto, well put. We will be fine.
Fantastic summary of us Toronto and I agree about Lampard, there are worse characters in life.
We are going to be ok for sure. How we have developed lately is quite incredible when you think back to December and January. Fair play to Lambert and the team.
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Do I detect a nose?
Are you serious? Just because I think it was over the line? How rediculous.
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Was thinking MOTD highlights didn't show
Delphs effort first half
Westwoods volley that produced a cech great save
I'm sure we had a few more good efforts they didnt bother showing
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Was thinking MOTD highlights didn't show
Delphs effort first half
Westwoods volley that produced a cech great save
I'm sure we had a few more good efforts they didnt bother showing
If I hadn't been there I'd have thought Chelsea played us off the park after watching that.
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The officials were largely terrible yesterday. At one point the Chelsea forward was played in on goal in an offside position but it wasn't given because the linesman hadnt kept up with play so couldn't see it. Terrible at this level.
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The upside of yesterdays game was that at long last we appear to have found a midfield to go with our forward line.
The downside is that they dont appear to have a goal in them...pity!
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Do I detect a nose?
Are you serious? Just because I think it was over the line? How rediculous.
It was the ability to not be able spell that gave it away...
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The upside of yesterdays game was that at long last we appear to have found a midfield to go with our forward line.
The downside is that they dont appear to have a goal in them...pity!
Either one of Sylla or Delph need to be in the box when a cross is going to come in. Sometimes we don't get enough in the box.
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Do I detect a nose?
Are you serious? Just because I think it was over the line? How rediculous.
Well to be fair, repeatedly stating the ball was over the line, while ending each post with an apparently mirthful 'kiss' suggested you were maybe taking pleasure in your opinions?
Thats the way it appeared in my drunken , messed up brain anyway.
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A late afterthought - don't know if anyone else has mentioned it - but great to see Gary Gardner making the bench yesterday
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A late afterthought - don't know if anyone else has mentioned it - but great to see Gary Gardner making the bench yesterday
Did he use his own tools?
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A late afterthought - don't know if anyone else has mentioned it - but great to see Gary Gardner making the bench yesterday
Did he use his own tools?
he used the biggest tool on the planet - his brother.
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Was thinking MOTD highlights didn't show
Delphs effort first half
Westwoods volley that produced a cech great save
I'm sure we had a few more good efforts they didnt bother showing
If I hadn't been there I'd have thought Chelsea played us off the park after watching that.
Just watched MOTD to see if I could clarify points that I couldn't see at the match and I don't know why I am surprised but it looked a totally different game.
I hate MOTD editing we had far more of the play and chances that were highlighted and looking at the red cards both were probably right from the refs view although Ramires was a bit unlucky from a different view and Terry was hardly touched but Benteke deserved a 2nd yellow if not a red for the first incident.
But unless my minds playing tricks wasn't there a couple more John Terry tackles that should have been a yellow? nothing was really made of the handball that I've seen given and has been said we had some great shots particularly Delph's who was motm for me.
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The upside of yesterdays game was that at long last we appear to have found a midfield to go with our forward line.
The downside is that they dont appear to have a goal in them...pity!
Either one of Sylla or Delph need to be in the box when a cross is going to come in. Sometimes we don't get enough in the box.
I guess the emphasis is on holding back to cover the shonky defence.
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I suppose it's a measure of how far these young players gave come in the last few weeks, that I'm still absolutely gutted about losing to such a good team. As long as we can hold on to the these players, we can have a decent season next term.
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The officials were largely terrible yesterday. At one point the Chelsea forward was played in on goal in an offside position but it wasn't given because the linesman hadnt kept up with play so couldn't see it. Terrible at this level.
That happened twice in the first half - was awful line running
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A late afterthought - don't know if anyone else has mentioned it - but great to see Gary Gardner making the bench yesterday
Was a rousing cheer when he was announced
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I am usually gutted after we lose but not today. I thought we were the better team for a lot of that game, that is astounding when you think of the money spent. So we got unlucky with our chances and they got lucky with theirs, it happens.
Well played lads, keep on like that and I cant WAIT for next season. Great effort.
My sentiments also - proud to be a Villa fan yesterday on many levels - well done those who applauded Lampard off the pitch , it appeared to be appreciated by the player as he went down the tunnel. In all my years watching football I have never witnessed so much vitriol for a player being stretchered off - well done Terry you made a lot of people happy yesterday !!! Like many others I was looking for the assassin on the grassy knoll
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In my opinion Kendrick is correct about Luiz. They looked x100 times better with him on
They barely got over the halfway line for the firsyt 15 minutes of the second half and we were passing the ball around them no problem.
The red card changed everything. We are toss the thankfully rare occasions we go down to 10 men like Norwich at home earlier this season.
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Do I detect a nose?
Are you serious? Just because I think it was over the line? How rediculous.
Well to be fair, repeatedly stating the ball was over the line, while ending each post with an apparently mirthful 'kiss' suggested you were maybe taking pleasure in your opinions?
Thats the way it appeared in my drunken , messed up brain anyway.
Rather harsh to call me a nose. That has to be the worst insult ever! Delighted the goal wasn't given but I still think it was over. The x should have been a smiley face.
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So MOTD decided to show nothing of the rest of our play. What about Bennett's deflected close effort for one?
Couldn't believe that. They missed out the Delph first half shot that just went wide, Lichaj's deflected cross clipping the bar and Westwood hitting a 20 yarder straight at Cech just before the 2nd goal.
It was the only game they had on for christs sake.
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Do I detect a nose?
Are you serious? Just because I think it was over the line? How rediculous.
It was the ability to not be able spell that gave it away...
I will give you the spelling mistake! Are you a nose also as you can't put a sentence together correctly.
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Do I detect a nose?
Are you serious? Just because I think it was over the line? How rediculous.
It was the ability to not be able spell that gave it away...
I will give you the spelling mistake! Are you a nose also as you can't put a sentence together correctly.
Ouch! It was the inability to construct a sentence that gave it away.
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Do I detect a nose?
Are you serious? Just because I think it was over the line? How rediculous.
It was the ability to not be able spell that gave it away...
I will give you the spelling mistake! Are you a nose also as you can't put a sentence together correctly.
Ouch! It was the inability to construct a sentence that gave it away.
Enough now. I don't mind insults but blue nose accusations are bang out of order. I can guarantee my knuckles do not drag on the floor. There should be a rule about accusations like this. Mods?
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So MOTD decided to show nothing of the rest of our play. What about Bennett's deflected close effort for one?
Couldn't believe that. They missed out the Delph first half shot that just went wide, Lichaj's deflected cross clipping the bar and Westwood hitting a 20 yarder straight at Cech just before the 2nd goal.
It was the only game they had on for christs sake.
I was actually laughing watching MOTD,
i thought i'd seen the match at VP but this wasn't it,
I must be watching a different game, one where Chelsea controlled and were all over us from start to finish, had they got it mixed up with the one we played against them in January by mistake
then I saw Lumpards fat face all over the show and realised that they truly are awesome and me thinking anything else was just a dream
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Chelsea are reporting us for our treatment of Terry when he was taken off. What a fecking joke!
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He obviously knows what he is then as that was the only thing that might have alluded to swearing that was chanted. A few let him die, but that was more on the fact he had already been shot by a sniper earlier on the 60th minute.
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Chelsea are reporting us for our treatment of Terry when he was taken off. What a fecking joke!
Chelsea are reporting us for our treatment of Terry when he was taken off. What a fecking joke!
Chelsea are reporting us for our treatment of Terry when he was taken off. What a fecking joke!
Maybe it's those chants of 'racist racist '
but would be defiicult to prove His inocence as he's already been found guilty by the FA of errr being racist
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Maybe it's those chants of 'racist racist '
but would be defiicult to prove His inocence as he's already been found guilty by the FA of errr being racist
It would be strange if the FA punished us for repeating their verdict.
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Chelsea are unhappy with the abuse John Terry was subjected to from Aston Villa fans when being carried off the pitch injured yesterday - but have NOT lodged an official complaint.
Terry faces the heartbreak of missing a second successive European final on Wednesday after injuring his ankle following an aerial challenge at Villa Park.
And Sportsmail understands that Chelsea are unimpressed with the jeers aimed at Terry from the stands as he was carried off on a stretcher.
But the Blues' hierarchy have not made any official contact with Villa over the abuse.
Aside from the jeers for Terry there had been shows of respect for the opposition from both Villa and Chelsea fans.
First, Blues supporters joined in the minute's applause for Stiliyan Petrov, the Villa skipper who announced his retirement from the game this week due to his battle with leukaemia.
And Villa fans also applauded Frank Lampard from the pitch after he broke Bobby Tambling's record as Chelsea's all-time leading goalscorer.
Terry was forced to sit out last season's Champions League final victory - but not the celebrations - due to suspension, and could now miss Wednesday's Europa League final against Benfica.
And boss Rafa Benitez is also sweating over the fitness of playmaker Eden Hazard, who pulled up with a hamstring problem.
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Lampard deserved the applause he was given
Terry deserved the abuse he was given
'Tis the way of the world
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Oops...my bad. Shouldn't believe everything I read on Twitter.
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Oops...my bad. Shouldn't believe everything I read on Twitter.
You have only just learnt that now?
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Daily Mail in standing up for a racist shocker.
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I was disappointed with the result I thought we deserved something out of the game we just got to hope Arsenal can beat Wigan.
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I read the Independent on Monday and found it was MotD in printform. It was a complete Chelsea and Rafa wankfest, barely mentioning Villa, only in the context of Chelsea actually having to play someone else. Not one line on Villa's relegation battle, how Villa played, how Terry got CBG sent off -nothing!
If this was a local paper, people would laugh and shake their heads but this is supposed to be an 'unbiased' national. Simon Hart, you're a joke.