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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on January 11, 2013, 06:25:30 PM
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Available Saturday evening.
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Load of shit. Sack Lambert now. First time I've ever said that.
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Seriously, I think we're going down.
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If PL has anything about him, he will immediately offer his resignation. Whether te board accept it or not is another thing. I bloody hope they will. He has been an unmitigated disaster from Day 1.
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Delph and Guzan are the only players who came out of that game not looking like complete wastes of space.
The Benteke myth is well and truly over as well. New Drogba my arse.
P.S. Lambert out, Lerner out, That MBNA bastard whose name I forget out.
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Hello championship
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We're in the cack.
We had 16 shots and 9 corners and have not scored.
The defence has rightly been vilified this season but our attack is toothless.
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The only way is...Down
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Shit, fuck off Randy and sell us like you did the Browns.
Gash utter gash.
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Lambert out. My colours have now been nailed to the mast.
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That was the watershed. We're gone.
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We are going down :(
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Well at least the second half we had some shots on goal.
Fucking shit result though. Get the money out Lerner you stingy bastard.
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Shit, fuck off Randy and sell us like you did the Browns.
Gash utter gash.
Agreed.
Randy out too.
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And that sort of cheating should result in a replay and a very severe fine. We wouldn't have scored if that game went on for a month, but we shouldn't have lost.
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We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain. The funk so Villa, right about now
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Garry Neville spoke well in our favour. Why, Ive got no idea.
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I feel sorry for him but Lambert just looks out of his depth. Okay he's not being backed sufficiently but he is manifestly failing, again and again, to raise the players; if anything, we're getting worse.
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I think we're doomed
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We are as good as down and deservedly so, we are the worst team in the division. We weren't far off the worst last season either but got lucky. An utterly disgusting mess
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We did NOT deserve to lose today, again we missed sitters, came against a goalkeeper on a blinder, and this time we lost to a penalty that never was.
We have no fucking luck, we don't even have bad luck - luck itself is shitting on us.
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Fuck it all,let's just go down now I'm sick of this crap every fucking weekend
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Keep the status quo and we are down for sure. And even if we do get players in I'm entirely sure it will be enough.
What has happened to our great club?
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We did NOT deserve to lose today, again we missed sitters, came against a goalkeeper on a blinder, and this time we lost to a penalty that never was.
Their goalkeeper did not play a blinder, we hardly tested him.
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Fuck it all,let's just go down now I'm sick of this crap every fucking weekend
It will probably continue
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Horrendous result, but not surprising considering how shit we are and due to absolutely zero confidence. Stop pissing about and buy some players ffs, because we are going down for real this time.
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Just seen Lambert on final score, looked like a dead man walking.
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Keep the status quo and we are down for sure. And even if we do get players in I'm entirely sure it will be enough.
What has happened to our great club?
We became the toy of a talentless fuckwit who bought us with his daddy's money.
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Poor 1st half , showed more fight and passion 2nd half but the better team won .
Three more vital points slip away as randy dithers about what to do -either sack him or back him with money !
Results have gone against us today and I find it hard to see where we get another 20 points from- deeply depressing times.
Possibly time for randy to pull the trigger , get di matteo in and give him some money , he may bring back into the team warnock, bent , makoun, Hutton etc and get something from them.
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I think it's time for Lambert to leave (before anybody asks, just about anybody else right now).
We are *definitely* going to get relegated unless one of two things happen: 1) Lambert goes and we get another manager who can organise this team. 2) We sign 3 or 4 adults who would walk into the 1st team of any of the other clubs around us.
I still think PL is a busted flush at Villa.
Depressing.
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Are we second from bottom ?
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Well thats it in my eyes, all of the 26 years I have supported them this is by far the most disjointed shambles of a football team I have seen.
But by far the worst thing at this moment in time is we are the crappest team in the whole league...and for me this evening, are going down.
GUTTED! :'(
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I'm very disappointed and very unhappy. That's all I have to say. See you in a few days chaps.
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We did NOT deserve to lose today, again we missed sitters, came against a goalkeeper on a blinder, and this time we lost to a penalty that never was.
We have no fucking luck, we don't even have bad luck - luck itself is shitting on us.
We did not come up against a goalkeeper on a blinder. We missed chances!
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Shit result, but we were the better team and lost because of a hopeless penalty decision.
If we play like in the second half and get Bent fit to convert some of those chances into goals, we won't go down.
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I started going down in 1989 and I can't comprehend us not being in the top flight, I genuinley can't.
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I'm pining for the halcyon days of Alex Mcleish.
This is the worst team since 86 maybe as bad.
Only one man to blame. Mr Lambert you are a useless waste of space.
Plenty of money to spend and you buy too many youngsters.
Experience was called for and you messed up big style.
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I think that is it.
For the last 20 minutes we showed some real fight but it is too late.
We are down all right, Lerner has shown his complete and utter incompetance.
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Lambert isn't the problem. That much is clear.
Mourinho would find it hard pressed to get these group of players out of the shit.
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I'd much rather Lerner fucked off and we got a clued up owner who was prepared to back Lambert with reasonable money. And that's all we need, not gazillions but £10M - £20M.
I don't see much point in sacking Lambert because a) it would cost, b) who would the fuckwits choose next, and c) whoever it was they'd still get no money to fix the team.
But you can never underestimate just how big a pair of imbeciles Lerner & Faulkner are, so if they did sack him it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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Let's not kid ourselves with the odd decent performance in a cup run, we've been shit nearly non stop for 3 years, getting gradually worse over time and now I think we've hit rock bottom.
There hasn't been a single response to any of the defeats or hammerings we've received, just more of the same the week after.
We are going down, thanks a lot Lerner and Lambert. Mr invisible and Rab C Mumble.
Sack him and sell up.
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Lambert isn't the problem. That much is clear.
How is it ?
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Are we second from bottom ?
No Reading are three points behind us.
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Lambert isn't the problem. That much is clear.
Mourinho would find it hard pressed to get these group of players out of the shit.
But Mourinho would be able to motivate NZogbia, Hutton, Warnock, Ireland and Bent i reckon, and not just dismiss them.
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first half was awful , 2nd half was better but Southampton looked more like a team. I cant see what we can do to get out of this ffs >:(
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Well I said to myself if we lose this one and end up in the bottom three then I think that would be it. I honestly think this season we are goners. Players just aren't good enough.
At least next season might be something different to our now annual relegation fight.
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Lambert isn't the problem. That much is clear.
Mourinho would find it hard pressed to get these group of players out of the shit.
Nope, sorry. I don't mean to pick an argument but that's not entirely true. Lerner's budgets cuts would make it tough for any manager to get into the top half but we;ve been utterly inept on too many occasions and that's Lambert and his coaches fault.
Have Norwich got a massive budget>? The fucking albion (can't wait to go to that one next week).
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Sorry lads we're fucked, and I say that as somebody has been trying to stay positive. If I was Lambert I'd resign.
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Totally unacceptable.
Fifteen decent minutes at the start, then a full half hour of Southampton totally, totally running things.
Moan all you like about the penalty, but at no point in this match did we look like we might be capable of winning it.
Ten improved minutes at the start of the second half, then nothing, and then a frenzied 5-10 minutes at the end, which will probably add an element of acceptability to this that just is not there.
I am a Lambert supporter, but honestly, if he or the chairman think this squad doesn't need adding to, they're both living in cloud cuckoo land.
Get the right players in, and it could improve markedly. A left back (again, the first half, Soton did what Bradford did, and mullered our left hand side), a centre back, and a gnarled fucker in the middle, and things could improve significantly.
If they do not do that, though, then unfortunately, we are going to get relegated, it's as clear as day. There's not a side in the league with less spirit than us at the moment. A bit of confidence would make a big difference, but at the moment, all we are watching is a bunch of kids getting beaten week after week, and their confidence is dying right in front of us.
We've been beaten at home 3-0 and 1-0 by two of the teams in the scrap with us. Those are the results that get you relegated.
Our sequence of most recent league results are L- D - L -L - L - and given the fact Swansea hit the post about 15 times, that was a lucky point.
The momentum is carrying us straight down now, and there is not a hope in hell of stopping that without additions to the squad, and very quickly, too.
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Someone shake Lambert by the lapels and Lerner by the goolies and get them to sort this shit out. Jesus, I wish we had Gus Fring in charge. He'd know exactly what to do.
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Lambert isn't the problem. That much is clear.
How is it ?
You can't polish a turd. And Randy Lerner has turned this club in to a turd. You can't keep a club in the top flight when you have to shop in the bargain bin.
Maybe another manager will keep us up this season, but with the Yankee bastard owning this club, it's only postponing the inevitable.
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I'd much rather Lerner fucked off and we got a clued up owner who was prepared to back Lambert with reasonable money. And that's all we need, not gazillions but £10M - £20M.
I don't see much point in sacking Lambert because a) it would cost, b) who would the fuckwits choose next, and c) whoever it was they'd still get no money to fix the team.
But you can never underestimate just how big a pair of imbeciles Lerner & Faulkner are, so if they did sack him it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
That (in bold) is the point - give Lambert money to buy a CB, a LB and a DMF and we might - just might - turn it round.
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We're going down.
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Lambert isn't the problem. That much is clear.
Mourinho would find it hard pressed to get these group of players out of the shit.
What a stupid comment, he bloody well picks the team and decides on the tactics (are there any)!
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Possibly time for randy to pull the trigger , get di matteo in and give him some money , he may bring back into the team warnock, bent , makoun, Hutton etc and get something from them.
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Poor,poor,poor. Other results went against us. Crap week all round!!!!!!!
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I went to my first Villa game the season we were on our way down to the 3rd. The organisation and motivation of the team seem non existant. What the hell is going on ??? The very worst team I have seen in 44 years. Journey don't stop believing but I have today.
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How do you turn £200M into a pile of shit in three years? Unbelievable.
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Lambert isn't the problem. That much is clear.
Mourinho would find it hard pressed to get these group of players out of the shit.
Lambert isn't the problem? You are joking right? He is utterly incompetent. There might be other problems but his stewardship so far is the worst in our history.
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Better second half but even then our chances came from long balls to flick on.
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Once the club started living within it's means it all began to go down hill. Too many people that don't spend money on the club complaining that the owner isn't. Villa makes less money, they have less to spend. Not rocket science, really. Was tragic looking at the number of people posting during the game complaining that the team doesn't spend money it doesn't have.
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We are as good as down and deservedly so, we are the worst team in the division. We weren't far off the worst last season either but got lucky. An utterly disgusting mess
Unfortunately that is the truth of the matter we have been in decline since 2010 and 2013 will see our premiership status disappear for the first time since football began. If you continue to run a business bad enough it will go under and our leaders have been doing one hell of a job over the last few seasons. There is no way we can come back from this with the mentality that pervades Villa Park. Last season following the Bolton match Faulkner made a statement the least he can do is clarify the position to be fair to the fans.
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Lambert isn't the problem. That much is clear.
Mourinho would find it hard pressed to get these group of players out of the shit.
Lambert is not blameless in all this, far from it!!
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August 2010 after beating West Ham 3-0 :
The last time I was happy about AVFC.
Now that, THAT, was how to play football.
No plodders, no-one out of position, everyone motivated, everyone confident, everyone very very happy.
Thank you, Albrighton.
Thank you, Ashley.
Thank you, Milner.
And a BIG Thank You, Kevin Mac!
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Possibly time for randy to pull the trigger , get di matteo in and give him some money , he may bring back into the team warnock, bent , makoun, Hutton etc and get something from them.
What, a few quid he finds down the back of the couch? If we invested money we wouldn't be in this position to start with. He's not backed Lambert, you can't expect a new manager to be given millions.
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It seems really premature to write a season off in January but at the moment relegation seems inevitable. Luck and confidence can change on a ref decision or an own goal or whatever but that just won't happen.
Not sure if Lambert should go - the realistic alternatives are championship material.
Don't know the official stat but is it 3 home league wins in 20 odd games? Disgraceful slide.
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first half was awful , 2nd half was better but Southampton looked more like a team. I cant see what we can do to get out of this ffs >:(
That's the thing.
There's nothing there to suggest we're going to pick up points. If we add players, maybe, but it's currently the same thing, the same weaknesses, week after week, and if something doesn't change, it'll quite easily go on like that till the end of the season.
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Even Southampton have done the double over us. If they can figure out how to play in the Premier League after the terrible start to the season they had then there could still be hope for us, but then maybe I'm clutching at straws because we're really not good enough as it stands right now.
Randy has to open the chequebook. He might not give a shit about being successful any more but surely he cares about protecting his investment? This transfer window is absolutely crucial. Get it wrong and we're going down as this team doesn't have it in them to get 40 points.
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I'd much rather Lerner fucked off and we got a clued up owner who was prepared to back Lambert with reasonable money. And that's all we need, not gazillions but £10M - £20M.
I don't see much point in sacking Lambert because a) it would cost, b) who would the fuckwits choose next, and c) whoever it was they'd still get no money to fix the team.
But you can never underestimate just how big a pair of imbeciles Lerner & Faulkner are, so if they did sack him it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Agree Hilts, the destruction job started when they failed to control MON and then have pretty much fucked up every football decision thereafter.
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Rab C Mumble.
I like that.
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There's no evidence that we can stay up now. If we let a bad team like Southampton do the double over us then we're screwed.
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We are where we patently deserve to be....right in the brown stuff!
Successive years of appalling decisions made at boardroom level, at managerial level and on the pitch by under-achieving or sub-standard players, has cost the club big time. It's been a shambolic three or so years.
We've become the laughing stock of the league and will shortly lose our place in it.
If the recent reports are accurate about little or no spending in this transfer window then you don't have to be Einstein to see the writing is clearly on the wall and painted in huge luminous letters!!
As for the game today, we were inadequate all over the pitch and although the penalty decision was wrong I felt Saints deserved to be winning by that stage. Second half showed an improvement but there is little or no quality in the time and a mental fragility that leads the players to making wrong decisions at crucial times or just fluffing it.
I've seen some great Villa teams and my fair share of embarassing ones but this current crop are certainly as bad as ANYTHING I have evr seen.
I am gutted for my son who bought a half season ticket and yet I applaud all those amazing fans who go week in, wqeek out (I would too if I wasn't staring fiancnail disaster in the face).
I can't see anything but relegation now.
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Bring back Big Ron
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August 2010 after beating West Ham 3-0 :
The last time I was happy about AVFC.
Now that, THAT, was how to play football.
No plodders, no-one out of position, everyone motivated, everyone confident, everyone very very happy.
Thank you, Albrighton.
Thank you, Ashley.
Thank you, Milner.
And a BIG Thank You, Kevin Mac!
Didnt we lose 5-0 to Newcastle after that?
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We are fucked unless we get some players in and now!!! And they have to be quality to put a run together.
Worse Villa side in a long time
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Once the club started living within it's means it all began to go down hill. Too many people that don't spend money on the club complaining that the owner isn't. Villa makes less money, they have less to spend. Not rocket science, really. Was tragic looking at the number of people posting during the game complaining that the team doesn't spend money it doesn't have.
The team will have an awful lot of money next season with the new tv deal - if we stay up.
Miss out on that and the failure to invest right now is going to look like a colossally bad piece of management.
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Lambert isn't the problem. That much is clear.
Mourinho would find it hard pressed to get these group of players out of the shit.
Lambert is not blameless in all this, far from it!!
Mortimer I agree but this is the culmination of 3.5 years of mismanagement. I was always surprised he took the job - yes we are twice the club of Norwich but with 10 times the problems. allowing MON to spunk money on player's wages and transfer fees who returned zilh started this off and we didn't learn lessins under the Liverpool Lovie and TSM.
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Good:
- Guzan
- Lowton
- Clark
- Baker
- Stephens
- Bannan
- N'Zogbia
- Westwood
Average:
- Weimann
- Gabby
- Bowery
- Holman
Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
We weren't even that bad, we created plenty of chances but just couldn't take them. Our entire game plan is based around lumping it at Benteke, and that's fine when he's on form, but I'm starting to get worried about the amount of sitters he has missed recently, he had 3 or 4 great chances at Bradford and another 2 today.
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Possibly time for randy to pull the trigger , get di matteo in and give him some money , he may bring back into the team warnock, bent , makoun, Hutton etc and get something from them.
Di Matteo? Jesus wept...
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Proud history, Shit future.
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Possibly time for randy to pull the trigger , get di matteo in and give him some money , he may bring back into the team warnock, bent , makoun, Hutton etc and get something from them.
what?! why not got the whole hog and get Warren Aspinall and Steve Sims back while you're at it. You're losing your mind Eastie.
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It just feels normal now to lose week in week out.I just feel numb
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I think Lambert has managed to find a squad of young and hungry players that have decided to go on a collective diet.
Seriously, the worst Villa side since 86. Lambert looks out of his depth. The team are so badly organised its untrue. I have never seen a back 4 with so little understanding of eachother, to the point where the opposition can pull them out of shape at will.
The only positive I can think is that relegation will frighten the overpaid scum away and give these kids a chance to learn their trade away from the limelight.
Wow, what a consolation.
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August 2010 after beating West Ham 3-0 :
The last time I was happy about AVFC.
Now that, THAT, was how to play football.
No plodders, no-one out of position, everyone motivated, everyone confident, everyone very very happy.
Thank you, Albrighton.
Thank you, Ashley.
Thank you, Milner.
And a BIG Thank You, Kevin Mac!
Didnt we lose 5-0 to Newcastle after that?
Well that's probably why it's the last fucking time, isn't it?
It wouldn't have been the last time he was happy if we won 15-0 the next week would it? Fucking hell.
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Possibly time for randy to pull the trigger , get di matteo in and give him some money , he may bring back into the team warnock, bent , makoun, Hutton etc and get something from them.
What, a few quid he finds down the back of the couch? If we invested money we wouldn't be in this position to start with. He's not backed Lambert, you can't expect a new manager to be given millions.
I think he's not backed him because he's not sure he wants to keep him , we know Lerner has the money .
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Possibly time for randy to pull the trigger , get di matteo in and give him some money , he may bring back into the team warnock, bent , makoun, Hutton etc and get something from them.
Di Matteo? Jesus wept...
If Lambert isn't getting the money, why do they think RDM would?
And what kind of business do they think they'll be doing with the window half gone already?
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Bring back Big Ron
Said this, resulting in Nigel Kennedy being brought up
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I wish we had Gus Fring in charge. He'd know exactly what to do.
Poison the board?
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Once the club started living within it's means it all began to go down hill. Too many people that don't spend money on the club complaining that the owner isn't. Villa makes less money, they have less to spend. Not rocket science, really. Was tragic looking at the number of people posting during the game complaining that the team doesn't spend money it doesn't have.
The team will have an awful lot of money next season with the new tv deal - if we stay up.
Miss out on that and the failure to invest right now is going to look like a colossally bad piece of management.
Every other team will have an awful lot of money too. Complaints about lack of funds from people not going to the game isn't going to keep the team up. If you make less than everyone at work and you all get a 25% raise, you still make less than everyone at work.
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August 2010 after beating West Ham 3-0 :
The last time I was happy about AVFC.
Now that, THAT, was how to play football.
No plodders, no-one out of position, everyone motivated, everyone confident, everyone very very happy.
Thank you, Albrighton.
Thank you, Ashley.
Thank you, Milner.
And a BIG Thank You, Kevin Mac!
Didnt we lose 5-0 to Newcastle after that?
Nah, six. And that's why it was the last time he was happy, not the penultimate. ;)
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Good:
- Guzan
- Lowton
- Clark
- Baker
- Stephens
- Bannan
- N'Zogbia
- Westwood
Average:
- Weimann
- Gabby
- Bowery
- Holman
Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
We weren't even that bad, we created plenty of chances but just couldn't take them. Our entire game plan is based around lumping it at Benteke, and that's fine when he's on form, but I'm starting to get worried about the amount of sitters he has missed recently, he had 3 or 4 great chances at Bradford and another 2 today.
The only basis you could say we weren't even that bad would be if you were to entirely ignore 60 of the 90 minutes of the game.
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Possibly time for randy to pull the trigger , get di matteo in and give him some money , he may bring back into the team warnock, bent , makoun, Hutton etc and get something from them.
Di Matteo? Jesus wept...
He couldn't do any worse but nobody would be mad enough to take the job under present conditions
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going down on all evidence thus far this season. Southampton had the three best players on the pitch - Schneiderlin, Lambert and Shaw. The rest of their players verged between average and hopeless but it was still enough to beat us.
Think Lambert has lost it too, four forwards on at the end. Bowery left wing. Wouldnt be surprised if he resigned in the next day or so.
Clark did ok, Delph actually was decent. The rest were hopeless including Guzan whose efforts with the ball at his feet were pitiful. Enda Stevens shouldnt play again in the EPL, that much is clear after today.
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It seems really premature to write a season off in January but at the moment relegation seems inevitable. Luck and confidence can change on a ref decision or an own goal or whatever but that just won't happen.
Not sure if Lambert should go - the realistic alternatives are championship material.
Don't know the official stat but is it 3 home league wins in 20 odd games? Disgraceful slide.
3 home wins in 24 games.
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Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
Benteke was gash, yet again, but I think Delph is just being typecast as the worst player on the pitch. He did alright today. Contributed more than N'Zogbia & co, that's for sure.
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If Vlaar, Dunne and Petrov were all fit, played from the start of the season on honestly think we could of been near Stoke in 10th place on 29 points
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It does seem the owner and the manager is trying to put together a C-ship squad. I say that, but they are not good enough for that division....
I feel lower than when we lost to Bolton at home last season. Only saving grace, is we have 2 weeks to get some players in and time to turn it around. No evidence of that today.
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Good:
- Guzan
- Lowton
- Clark
- Baker
- Stephens
- Bannan
- N'Zogbia
- Westwood
Average:
- Weimann
- Gabby
- Bowery
- Holman
Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
We weren't even that bad, we created plenty of chances but just couldn't take them. Our entire game plan is based around lumping it at Benteke, and that's fine when he's on form, but I'm starting to get worried about the amount of sitters he has missed recently, he had 3 or 4 great chances at Bradford and another 2 today.
Delph doesn't deserve to be classed as poor. He was one of the better players out there.
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Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
Benteke was gash, yet again, but I think Delph is just being typecast as the worst player on the pitch. He did alright today. Contributed more than N'Zogbia & co, that's for sure.
Same for Bannan, both were OK.
I honestly never want to see Charles N'Zogbia play for us again.
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Bring back Doug
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Once the club started living within it's means it all began to go down hill. Too many people that don't spend money on the club complaining that the owner isn't. Villa makes less money, they have less to spend. Not rocket science, really. Was tragic looking at the number of people posting during the game complaining that the team doesn't spend money it doesn't have.
Well pulling all the investment out, selling your best players and appointing awful managers is hardly going to encourage people attend is it. The demise of Aston Villa has nothing to do with the fans turning up and all to do with the way the club is being run into the ground by Lerner and Faulkner
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Dreadfully unlucky!! Come on the lads!
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I don't want Lambert to go anywhere, we played well today I thought. No it wasn't enough but we just need a few players that is all.
He isn't a bad manager overnight.
Our finishing was awful today.
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We have to try and stay up for the money at the end of the season.
Lambert has to go and a new man has to be given funds
This all has to happen in the next few days
Other wise we're down and the consequences of missing the cash could be disastrous long term.
Time to take the big decision, Randy.
NOW!
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Also Delph was great today.
Some people need to learn to think for themselves.
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FUCK OFF Lambert !
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Good:
- Guzan
- Lowton
- Clark
- Baker
- Stephens
- Bannan
- N'Zogbia
- Westwood
Average:
- Weimann
- Gabby
- Bowery
- Holman
Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
We weren't even that bad, we created plenty of chances but just couldn't take them. Our entire game plan is based around lumping it at Benteke, and that's fine when he's on form, but I'm starting to get worried about the amount of sitters he has missed recently, he had 3 or 4 great chances at Bradford and another 2 today.
Delph was possibly man of the match!
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Anyone know where I can get 40,000 $ signs before next Tuesday?
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Good:
- Guzan
- Lowton
- Clark
- Baker
- Stephens
- Bannan
- N'Zogbia
- Westwood
Average:
- Weimann
- Gabby
- Bowery
- Holman
Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
We weren't even that bad, we created plenty of chances but just couldn't take them. Our entire game plan is based around lumping it at Benteke, and that's fine when he's on form, but I'm starting to get worried about the amount of sitters he has missed recently, he had 3 or 4 great chances at Bradford and another 2 today.
Are you deluded?
Are you really saying that 8 of our players had a good game today? 10 manic minutes at the end of a game does not a good performance make.
If 8 players on our pitch today played well today we would have taken them to the cleaners.
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Pat murphy on Five Live : Villa are 8 points worse off at this stage than under TSM. unbelievable.
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No chance he'll resign - how often does a manager resign these days.
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Lambert is using what he has, unfortunately 6 or 7 players arent really all that good. Its out of the managers hand what players do in terms of making the right choices with a pass, a shot etc
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If the owner has lost faith in the manager he will therefore not give him money to spend - maybe today is the tipping point , we know randy has the money , I hope if he does replace lambert he gives any new man some money.
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I don't want Lambert to go anywhere, we played well today I thought. No it wasn't enough but we just need a few players that is all.
He isn't a bad manager overnight.
Our finishing was awful today.
How many wins this season? No one is talking about overnight.
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I don't want Lambert to go anywhere, we played well today I thought. No it wasn't enough but we just need a few players that is all.
He isn't a bad manager overnight.
Our finishing was awful today.
Yep this was definitely a bad day at the office. It won't happen again. We have been playing so well at the moment. We absolutley thrashed Chelsea, Tottenham, Wigan and Bradford. It just didn't quite happen for us today.
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Good:
- Guzan
- Lowton
- Clark
- Baker
- Stephens
- Bannan
- N'Zogbia
- Westwood
Average:
- Weimann
- Gabby
- Bowery
- Holman
Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
We weren't even that bad, we created plenty of chances but just couldn't take them. Our entire game plan is based around lumping it at Benteke, and that's fine when he's on form, but I'm starting to get worried about the amount of sitters he has missed recently, he had 3 or 4 great chances at Bradford and another 2 today.
Are you deluded?
Are you really saying that 8 of our players had a good game today? 10 manic minutes at the end of a game does not a good performance make.
If 8 players on our pitch today played well today we would have taken them to the cleaners.
Indeed.
Enda Stevens had a nightmare. For almost an hour, everything they did came down that side, past him. When he did have the ball, he gave it away way too much.
If we're looking for praise, I'd say only Delph really deserved any.
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We've given Southampton over a quarter of their entire points tally this season.
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Lambert is using what he has, unfortunately 6 or 7 players arent really all that good. Its out of the managers hand what players do in terms of making the right choices with a pass, a shot etc
McLeish did better with, essentially, the same team.
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Also Delph was great today.
Some people need to learn to think for themselves.
Ai mades some crucial tackles and some not bad over the top balls for Chris and Andi to latch on to.
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No chance he'll resign - how often does a manager resign these days.
You'd have to be as stupid as Kevin Keegan to quit when you can lose a few more games and retire off the millions you get for failing.
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We have to try and stay up for the money at the end of the season.
Lambert has to go and a new man has to be given funds
This all has to happen in the next few days
Other wise we're down and the consequences of missing the cash could be disastrous long term.
Time to take the big decision, Randy.
NOW!
Bang on the button!
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If the owner has lost faith in the manager he will therefore not give him money to spend - maybe today is the tipping point , we know randy has the money , I hope if he does replace lambert he gives any new man some money.
If Lerner has lost faith with him, and so doesn't want to give him the money, then he must sack him now.
If anything is going to ensure our relegation, it'd be a dead duck manager with no money to spend.
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Don't worry, we'll go again.
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It just feels normal now to lose week in week out.I just feel numb
Its how I feel. I'm beyond angry, I'm just numb. I'm genuinely preparing myself for Villa being a Championship club next season.
We are poor in so many departments, but the most inept of all of these are Tweedle Gingery Dum and Tweedle Yankee Dee whose clueless management of a football club is beyond belief.
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PL on 5 live, sounds even more rambling than normal. Sounded clueless and 'keep on going' bullshit.
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Sorry lads we're fucked, and I say that as somebody has been trying to stay positive. If I was Lambert I'd resign.
I'm the same as you Sandy. I've been as positive as anyone on here for three very long years. I think I'm all out of "benefit of the doubt" and I'm simply exhausted by the decline.
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If the owner has lost faith in the manager he will therefore not give him money to spend - maybe today is the tipping point , we know randy has the money , I hope if he does replace lambert he gives any new man some money.
If Lerner has lost faith with him, and so doesn't want to give him the money, then he must sack him now.
If anything is going to ensure our relegation, it'd be a dead duck manager with no money to spend.
I agree Paulie.
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Time for Lambert to go. When you get 0 points from 6 against fellow strugglers at home then it means you are going down unless things change. As usual we were just a long ball team just like last season. Though at least we were more effective at it under McLeish. Oh and Benteke should be dropped so he knows he isn't undroppable. Randy is in the country and was probably at VP to watch that. So if that doesn't make him realise we are going down unless we act, nothing will.
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Lambert is using what he has, unfortunately 6 or 7 players arent really all that good. Its out of the managers hand what players do in terms of making the right choices with a pass, a shot etc
McLeish did better with, essentially, the same team.
Really....Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Cuellar, Petrov (half season), Heskey :-) etc
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Lambert is fine it is the journeyman players who want the money but do not put in the effort for it that are the problem.
Where is Ron V?? Still injured?
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Lambert - "we keep battling through it "- yeh right!
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Comical defending. Never mind about the penalty, the defending leading to it was fucking abysmal.
How we didn't score I don't know.
We're going down.
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We dont need a new manager we need some decent players, preferably ones that can help organise the team and fill the obvious weakneses.
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Lambert is fine it is the journeyman players who want the money but do not put in the effort for it that are the problem.
Where is Ron V?? Still injured?
Was on the bench
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Also Delph was great today.
Some people need to learn to think for themselves.
Ai mades some crucial tackles and some not bad over the top balls for Chris and Andi to latch on to.
You just can't please some people.
I know it's off topic but does anyone know how to turn off the warning you get telling you that new replies have been posted whenever I try to post something???? It's so annoying.
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Lambert is using what he has, unfortunately 6 or 7 players arent really all that good. Its out of the managers hand what players do in terms of making the right choices with a pass, a shot etc
McLeish did better with, essentially, the same team.
Really....Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Cuellar, Petrov (half season), Heskey :-) etc
Warnock and Hutton are still available, but TSM2 won't even let them train with the first team never mind have a game, despite how shit the rest of the team is.
Also, wasn't he already our manager when we sold Cuellar and Collins?
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Afternoon all...
In my minds eye we are going down this season unfortunately...
To my surprise I'm not even angry, I've got to the point where the on field stuff doesn't matter to me at the moment, I'm more focused on the way our club is being run.
Mr Lerner needs to go, I want him out of our club, our problems have been on going for more than three years now and no signs of any improvement..
Sell up Mr Lerner you will make a tidy profit and Aston Villa will be able to move forward instead of going backwards...
I have lost faith in Paul Lambert but no point changing manager until the very top of the club is fixed...
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Also Delph was great today.
Some people need to learn to think for themselves.
Ai mades some crucial tackles and some not bad over the top balls for Chris and Andi to latch on to.
You just can't please some people.
I know it's off topic but does anyone know how to turn off the warning you get telling you that new replies have been posted whenever I try to post something???? It's so annoying.
Your account settings maybe...I dont know
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Warnock is sitting at home twiddling his balls whilst we churn various donkeys out at left back. Stephens, Lichaj or Bennett, take your pick they're all weak links/disasters.
Warnock is no world beater, but he's better than what we have. Unless he's taken a shit in Cowans porridge or defaced a Paul McGrath picture then I can't work out for the life of me why we are cutting our own noses off and treating certain players worse than I'd treat Trevor Francis.
Bent's the same, he needed a kick up the backside, not a fucking hand grenade in his boxers. We dont have much to work with and Lamberts made it worse for himself.
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Lambert is fine it is the journeyman players who want the money but do not put in the effort for it that are the problem.
Where is Ron V?? Still injured?
How exactly can you say "lambert is fine"? Seriously. He's been a complete disaster!
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I think the Liverpool game (and to a lesser extent Norwich) is clouding a lot of fans' judgement on Lambert. We haven't suddenly appeared in the relegation scrap. We have been down the bottom all season. Which suggests we've been poor all season. And now we are playing so badly it will take a miracle to save us from relegation.
Lambert was my first choice in the summer. He may well have a long career as a manager. But he is doing a terrible job as Aston Villa manager. I am on the brink of changing my mind about sacking him. Unless we get something from West Brom he simply has to go.
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Every other team will have an awful lot of money too. Complaints about lack of funds from people not going to the game isn't going to keep the team up. If you make less than everyone at work and you all get a 25% raise, you still make less than everyone at work.
It takes a very special kind of person to come on here and blame the supporters. Well done.
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Lambert is fine it is the journeyman players who want the money but do not put in the effort for it that are the problem.
Where is Ron V?? Still injured?
Was on the bench
We need him back, and soon!! Plus we need another quality mid-field player!
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Good:
- Guzan
- Lowton
- Clark
- Baker
- Stephens
- Bannan
- N'Zogbia
- Westwood
Average:
- Weimann
- Gabby
- Bowery
- Holman
Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
We weren't even that bad, we created plenty of chances but just couldn't take them. Our entire game plan is based around lumping it at Benteke, and that's fine when he's on form, but I'm starting to get worried about the amount of sitters he has missed recently, he had 3 or 4 great chances at Bradford and another 2 today.
Are you deluded?
Are you really saying that 8 of our players had a good game today? 10 manic minutes at the end of a game does not a good performance make.
If 8 players on our pitch today played well today we would have taken them to the cleaners.
I knew people would disagree with me but these are just my personal opinions. Luck and a poor refereeing decision lost us the game today.
In the second half we did 'take them to the cleaners', but our goal scorer failed us.
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So in 19 days we are going to recruit a new manager who is going to sign the right players to keep us in the league?
Really?
Stupid
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Also Delph was great today.
Some people need to learn to think for themselves.
Ai mades some crucial tackles and some not bad over the top balls for Chris and Andi to latch on to.
You just can't please some people.
I know it's off topic but does anyone know how to turn off the warning you get telling you that new replies have been posted whenever I try to post something???? It's so annoying.
Profile
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Check Don't warn on new replies made while posting.
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'Do nothing' is an even less attractive option though.
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if you pay peanuts you get monkey
i rest my case
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Also Delph was great today.
Some people need to learn to think for themselves.
Ai mades some crucial tackles and some not bad over the top balls for Chris and Andi to latch on to.
You just can't please some people.
I know it's off topic but does anyone know how to turn off the warning you get telling you that new replies have been posted whenever I try to post something???? It's so annoying.
Your account settings maybe...I dont know
Yes! Ta.
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Every other team will have an awful lot of money too. Complaints about lack of funds from people not going to the game isn't going to keep the team up. If you make less than everyone at work and you all get a 25% raise, you still make less than everyone at work.
It takes a very special kind of person to come on here and blame the supporters. Well done.
By special you mean brave, naive or completely oblivious of the situation?
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The more browbeaten Lambert gets, the more incoherent and unintelligible he becomes.
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The signing we most need is the one we will never make. Regardless, please someone at the club ask Steve Stride to come home?
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The signing we most need is the one we will never make. Regardless, please someone at the club ask Steve Stride to come home?
Can he play at left back?
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Lambert is using what he has, unfortunately 6 or 7 players arent really all that good. Its out of the managers hand what players do in terms of making the right choices with a pass, a shot etc
McLeish did better with, essentially, the same team.
Really....Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Cuellar, Petrov (half season), Heskey :-) etc
Warnock and Hutton are still available, but TSM2 won't even let them train with the first team never mind have a game, despite how shit the rest of the team is.
Also, wasn't he already our manager when we sold Cuellar and Collins?
But if I was manager I would of sold them and I think if some people are honest enough they would have done too. Lamberts has taken a risk with youth, yea it isnt working so we hope and pray he brings bodies in to help.
If he doesnt then im with you
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is that 5 wins in 37 league games? no goals in three home games. sleepwalking to the championship. not sure how we'll escape this
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Bradford lost at home to Oxford today if that makes anyone feel better/worse.
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The signing we most need is the one we will never make. Regardless, please someone at the club ask Steve Stride to come home?
Can he play at left back?
He can't exactly do much worse...
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Bradford lost at home to Oxford today if that makes anyone feel better/worse.
The inevitable conclusion is that we're more shit than Oxford.
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Get a grip you bunch of tarts. Try looking at the game with a bit of objectively rather than an opportunity to air the usual rants.
Even in the first half where Southampton bullied and pushed us around and found space they barely threatened a goal. At half time we had 3 shots on target to their one. We contrived to be a goal down by virtue of hesitancy borne of low confidence and the kind of refereeing decision Halsey specialises in.
Second half we seemed to address the things that were going wrong. There was only one team in it for 45 minutes but again pressure led to players snatching at the kind of chances Southampton weren't close to creating.
It's a bery disappointing result, we are in a bad position. But it is not half as hopeless as some would make out. If we can build on the postive things we did today results will improve. If we can add a few players in crucial areas then better still. We have a big fight on our hands, but the position is far from hopeless.
The players need to get what happened over xmas out of their system. As at Swansea there are signs of it happening.
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Lambert is fine it is the journeyman players who want the money but do not put in the effort for it that are the problem.
Where is Ron V?? Still injured?
How exactly can you say "lambert is fine"? Seriously. He's been a complete disaster!
Agreed. PL has been abysmal and must walk or be fired by monday morning.
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Every other team will have an awful lot of money too. Complaints about lack of funds from people not going to the game isn't going to keep the team up. If you make less than everyone at work and you all get a 25% raise, you still make less than everyone at work.
It takes a very special kind of person to come on here and blame the supporters. Well done.
When that shoe fits people wear it.
Business 101 is really that easy.
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So in 19 days we are going to recruit a new manager who is going to sign the right players to keep us in the league?
Really?
Stupid
If we have no money anyway signing players doesnt matter.
We have what we have, we get up and go again.
For me it's now down to who you think can keep us up. Can Lambert inspire this team to be more than the sum of it's shitty parts. The signs say no.
I dont like or dislike Lambert. I just want to stay up and so far this season the performances suggest he can't do the job for us.
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The old lady struggling with her bags outside sainsbury's. The young lad say 'Can you manage, love?' 'No way I want the Villa job' she replies.
Old one I know!
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Get a grip you bunch of tarts. Try looking at the game with a bit of objectively rather than an opportunity to air the usual rants.
Even in the first half where Southampton bullied and pushed us around and found space they barely threatened a goal. At half time we had 3 shots on target to their one. We contrived to be a goal down by virtue of hesitancy borne of low confidence and the kind of refereeing decision Halsey specialises in.
Second half we seemed to address the things that were going wrong. There was only one team in it for 45 minutes but again pressure led to players snatching at the kind of chances Southampton weren't close to creating.
It's a bery disappointing result, we are in a bad position. But it is not half as hopeless as some would make out. If we can build on the postive things we did today results will improve. If we can add a few players in crucial areas then better still. We have a big fight on our hands, but the position is far from hopeless.
The players need to get what happened over xmas out of their system. As at Swansea there are signs of it happening.
One drawn game (in which we were shit, lest we forget) and we should forget that we haven't scored a league goal at home in how many games, and conceded 18? Wake up and smell the coffee, this is the worst Villa team in 30 years, and Lambert the most useless manager.
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Half way through the transfer window, no players signed & 6 points lost to our relegation rivals (which WILL prove significant come May) - trying very hard to 'Keep the faith' but this was avoidable & just makes no sense to me?????
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So in 19 days we are going to recruit a new manager who is going to sign the right players to keep us in the league?
Really?
Stupid
If we have no money anyway signing players doesnt matter.
We have what we have, we get up and go again.
For me it's now down to who you think can keep us up. Can Lambert inspire this team to be more than the sum of it's shitty parts. The signs say no.
I dont like or dislike Lambert. I just want to stay up and so far this season the performances suggest he can't do the job for us.
Lerner has money- he's just not giving it to lambert.
I think lambert will be gone in 48 hours at most.
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Get a grip you bunch of tarts. Try looking at the game with a bit of objectively rather than an opportunity to air the usual rants.
Even in the first half where Southampton bullied and pushed us around and found space they barely threatened a goal. At half time we had 3 shots on target to their one. We contrived to be a goal down by virtue of hesitancy borne of low confidence and the kind of refereeing decision Halsey specialises in.
Second half we seemed to address the things that were going wrong. There was only one team in it for 45 minutes but again pressure led to players snatching at the kind of chances Southampton weren't close to creating.
It's a bery disappointing result, we are in a bad position. But it is not half as hopeless as some would make out. If we can build on the postive things we did today results will improve. If we can add a few players in crucial areas then better still. We have a big fight on our hands, but the position is far from hopeless.
The players need to get what happened over xmas out of their system. As at Swansea there are signs of it happening.
I wish I could be this positive, but this kind of blinkered match reporting seems like head in the sand talk to me now. We have been shit all season, not just since Christmas, that's when things came to a head. And please no one bring up random cup games or the Liverpool miracle as excuses for this team, they dont need excuses they need a lift from someone new.
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I just don't understand, what happened to the Villa that beat Norwich and Liverpool? How have we gotten so badly so quickly?
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Why do we have to play Barcelona every single week?
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Going down m'lord. :(
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So in 19 days we are going to recruit a new manager who is going to sign the right players to keep us in the league?
Really?
Stupid
If we have no money anyway signing players doesnt matter.
We have what we have, we get up and go again.
For me it's now down to who you think can keep us up. Can Lambert inspire this team to be more than the sum of it's shitty parts. The signs say no.
I dont like or dislike Lambert. I just want to stay up and so far this season the performances suggest he can't do the job for us.
This squad is not good enough to stay up, that is obvious. So unless we improve the team we are down.
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So in 19 days we are going to recruit a new manager who is going to sign the right players to keep us in the league?
Really?
Stupid
If we have no money anyway signing players doesnt matter.
We have what we have, we get up and go again.
For me it's now down to who you think can keep us up. Can Lambert inspire this team to be more than the sum of it's shitty parts. The signs say no.
I dont like or dislike Lambert. I just want to stay up and so far this season the performances suggest he can't do the job for us.
Lerner has money- he's just not giving it to lambert.
I think lambert will be gone in 48 hours at most.
No he won't
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Tarts and drama queens. I bet that's what General Custer was screaming as his men fell all around him.
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Get a grip you bunch of tarts. Try looking at the game with a bit of objectively rather than an opportunity to air the usual rants.
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One drawn game (in which we were shit, lest we forget) and we should forget that we haven't scored a league goal at home in how many games, and conceded 18? Wake up and smell the coffee, this is the worst Villa team in 30 years, and Lambert the most useless manager.
I was talking about today's game Risso, rather than looking for a reason to bring up how badly then have been lately, or how well we played against Liverpool and Norwich for that matter.
It was a game we did not deserve to lose, but it happened. There were still positives.
As for the worse team and manager in thirty years, we've had worse in both cases in the last 30 months.
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The last time I head I heard someone scotch a suggestion so strongly was about an hour before O'Neill quit..
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So in 19 days we are going to recruit a new manager who is going to sign the right players to keep us in the league?
Really?
Stupid
If we have no money anyway signing players doesnt matter.
We have what we have, we get up and go again.
For me it's now down to who you think can keep us up. Can Lambert inspire this team to be more than the sum of it's shitty parts. The signs say no.
I dont like or dislike Lambert. I just want to stay up and so far this season the performances suggest he can't do the job for us.
Lerner has money- he's just not giving it to lambert.
I think lambert will be gone in 48 hours at most.
No he won't
Cant see him being sacked and no way will he resign. We were in relegation battles last 2 seasons and didn't sack either of those 2 unpopular buffoons
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Get a grip you bunch of tarts. Try looking at the game with a bit of objectively rather than an opportunity to air the usual rants.
Even in the first half where Southampton bullied and pushed us around and found space they barely threatened a goal. At half time we had 3 shots on target to their one. We contrived to be a goal down by virtue of hesitancy borne of low confidence and the kind of refereeing decision Halsey specialises in.
Second half we seemed to address the things that were going wrong. There was only one team in it for 45 minutes but again pressure led to players snatching at the kind of chances Southampton weren't close to creating.
It's a very disappointing result, we are in a bad position. But it is not half as hopeless as some would make out. If we can build on the postive things we did today results will improve. If we can add a few players in crucial areas then better still. We have a big fight on our hands, but the position is far from hopeless.
The players need to get what happened over xmas out of their system. As at Swansea there are signs of it happening.
Agree entirely.
Unlucky to lose today and we wouldn't if not for a bad decision by the referee and cheating by Southampton.
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Get a grip you bunch of tarts. Try looking at the game with a bit of objectively rather than an opportunity to air the usual rants.
Even in the first half where Southampton bullied and pushed us around and found space they barely threatened a goal. At half time we had 3 shots on target to their one. We contrived to be a goal down by virtue of hesitancy borne of low confidence and the kind of refereeing decision Halsey specialises in.
Second half we seemed to address the things that were going wrong. There was only one team in it for 45 minutes but again pressure led to players snatching at the kind of chances Southampton weren't close to creating.
It's a very disappointing result, we are in a bad position. But it is not half as hopeless as some would make out. If we can build on the postive things we did today results will improve. If we can add a few players in crucial areas then better still. We have a big fight on our hands, but the position is far from hopeless.
The players need to get what happened over xmas out of their system. As at Swansea there are signs of it happening.
Agree entirely.
Unlucky to lose today and we wouldn't if not for a bad decision by the referee and cheating by Southampton.
And what about us playing for, at most, a third of the game?
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I can't support Lambert anymore. You live and die by the players you bring in and send out to play and here we are
Soundly beaten by a 4th division team
Worse team records being broken
Currently sitting in the bottom 3
Worse off now than under TSM
Majority of the fans including me expect us to go down. I've heard phrases like 'whipping boys' and joke FC banded about and it hurts like hell.
If we get hammered by the Baggies on Saturday I expect Lambert to be sacked.
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And what about us playing for, at most, a third of the game?
Now you're just nitpicking. Don't you realise everything is going totally according to plan?
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There's always an element of bad luck when things are going shit. Just like the luck Man U have when they hit the bar and post in games having already scored 4 times. Difference being they put their chances away and create opportunity after opportunity. We don't have to be Man U, but it isn't bad luck when you don't take the few chances that come our way. As Wigan did, as Bradford did, and Southampton did today irrespective of how they got it.
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There's always an element of bad luck when things are going shit. Just like the luck Man U have when they hit the bar and post in games having already scored 4 times. Difference being they put their chances away and create opportunity after opportunity. We don't have to be Man U, but it isn't bad luck when you don't take the few chances that come our way. As Wigan did, as Bradford did, and Southampton did today irrespective of how they got it.
Exactly. Bent missed a sitter at Bradford and Benteke missed another today.
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Paul Lamber has stated on final score that we were excellent second half, Was this true as I wasen't there?
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Shite, shite whereever you may be ....
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The team is poor quality. That is Lambert's fault. They don't play we'll, that is Lambert's fault. Don't know what the answer is, mind, at this point in the season.
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Paul Lamber has stated on final score that we were excellent second half, Was this true as I wasen't there?
We were better, and put them under quite a lot of pressure, but as paulie says you can't expect to get anything out of games if you only turn up for half of it.
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Lambert is using what he has, unfortunately 6 or 7 players arent really all that good. Its out of the managers hand what players do in terms of making the right choices with a pass, a shot etc
McLeish did better with, essentially, the same team.
Really....Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Cuellar, Petrov (half season), Heskey :-) etc
Still has Warnock, Dunne and Hutton. Collins replaced with Vlaar. Heskey replaced with Benteke. Petrov was supposed to be replaced by KEA. Poor excuses.
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Paul Lamber has stated on final score that we were excellent second half, Was this true as I wasen't there?
No.
We were ok for the first ten mins, then piss poor, until the last 5-10 minutes when we finally started showing some urgency.
If he thinks we could have been described as "excellent" at any point in that match, then he's fucking nuts, I'm afraid.
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The worrying thing is how far we will fall. Would the championship be our level. Is there a danger we may be another Wednesday, Leeds, Forest, etc. and disappear for years.
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Kept away from posting all over the Christmas period but read alot, not sure what we do, but I honestly think PL is a busted flush, he is either not getting backing from Lerner, who is totally to blame for all of this as he seems to think I sold the club to him this summer told him what he has to work to, he accepted it and now we are shit and it is his fault, which on the pitch it is, he picks the team and tactics and at the moment you could have 11 strangers on the pitch that know each other better, if a Manager comes in and thinks he will not have injuries to his squad over a season he is living in cloud cuckoo land, so that assumption by PL was wrong, the squad is not deep enough, getting rid by training with the kids his other options has now bit his arse, being stubborn is ok when results are ok, if not it is stupid.
Randy has to either back him or sack him, but this is the worst Villa team I can remember since 1969 and it is only heading in one way, to the land of our departed Small Heath dwellers
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Lambert is using what he has, unfortunately 6 or 7 players arent really all that good. Its out of the managers hand what players do in terms of making the right choices with a pass, a shot etc
McLeish did better with, essentially, the same team.
Really....Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Hutton, Cuellar, Petrov (half season), Heskey :-) etc
Still has Warnock, Dunne and Hutton. Collins replaced with Vlaar. Heskey replaced with Benteke. Petrov was supposed to be replaced by KEA. Poor excuses.
Dunne has been out injured for most of the season.
I wouldn't want Hutton back, as Lowton has been ok, but as much as Warnock was shit for a long time, unless he buys us a new LB, quickly, then he's going to look a bit of an idiot for leaving Warnock training with the kids all season.
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I think lambert will be gone in 48 hours at most.
And who will come in?
The history of managerial signings is not good.
Has Lambert become a bad manager in 7 months or is he working to unrealistic constraints?
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I think lambert will be gone in 48 hours at most.
And who will come in?
The history of managerial signings is not good.
Has Lambert become a bad manager in 7 months or is he working to unrealistic constraints?
I utterly dread to think who our clueless owner would appoint if he had to find another manager.
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I think lambert will be gone in 48 hours at most.
And who will come in?
The history of managerial signings is not good.
Has Lambert become a bad manager in 7 months or is he working to unrealistic constraints?
Or was he not much cop in the first place?
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What made this even worse is that Soton weren't even that good. Yes, they had some good attacks but there wasn't really much end product. Their defence were there for the taking too. I can't ever remember the last time that it was this hard to score goals and win games (especially at home). I suppose this sort of malaise started last season to be fair to Lambert. However, he has had over half a season to reverse this and hasn't. In fact, he has made us even worse! He is just Owen Coyle mark 2 IMO. Remember that he was known for good football once, but Bolton were really a hoofball team last season. Coyle had a good cup run also before being humiliated in the Semis. Sound familiar? Bolton didn't sack Coyle thinking it would come together and look what happened. We should learn from history.
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Luck isn't one goal at home in the last 6 league games.
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Is the reason we are playing Millwall away on a Friday night so that we can get used to games being on at this time next season - you know like when your kid starts school for the first time, they only go in the morning initially until they get used to it.
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The goals that need to be scored are not , have not scored at home since November, who ever they did get to replace PL and as has been said you would not trust these two RL and PF to pick their nose, but something has to change
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If lambert goes we need a new manager lined up to come in fast as wolves did with Saunders.
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Paul Lamber has stated on final score that we were excellent second half, Was this true as I wasen't there?
Not from what I was watching. Decent start, faded, let them get on top again, they hit the post, manic last 10 minutes.
In no way were we terrific or did we control the game and this against another relegation candidate.
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Managing Norwich Wycombe is a totally different proposition to taking over Aston Villa and trying to arrest its decline with a limited budget.
He hasnt pulled it off.
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If lambert goes we need a new manager lined up to come in fast as wolves did with Saunders.
I would take Saunders
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If lambert goes we need a new manager lined up to come in fast as wolves did with Saunders.
I would take Saunders
That wouldn't be a smart move.
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Why did it take us 75 minutes and a wanker ref to get a head of steam up? Can't Lambert get them up for such a big game from the off? We are so devoid of creativity and fight it's untrue. And to be half way through January without the players we have known that we needed before Xmas is unforgivable. We will be relegated because we didn't act when we knew what was needed to give us a chance.
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Haven't read the thread yet but before I gather my thoughts....... I was looking elsewhere when Halsey awarded the penalty - didn't see the incident but on the way back WM said no way should it have been given. Was it 1-0 to the referee?
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If lambert goes we need a new manager lined up to come in fast as wolves did with Saunders.
I would take Saunders
I wanted Saunders before Wolves got him. At least he's got some Villa in his heart and wont garble his way through press confrences like Rab C Lambert does. The only reason I know what he has said is because it's almost certainly the exact same shit he gave us last week after our last non performance.
If we as fans are living in dreamland for expecting Parkers and Lescotts then he is living in dreamland if he thinks Sheffield Utd and Chesterfield players are good signings for our club.
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The candidates should be from;
Di Matteo
Di Canio
Poyet
The likely appointment will be from;
Lee Clark
Peter Withe
Mark Hughes.
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Tarts and drama queens. I bet that's what General Custer was screaming as his men fell all around him.
My guess would be something along the lines of 'I have never seen so many frothing mouths screaming for blood'
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The candidates should be from;
Di Matteo
Di Canio
Poyet
The likely appointment will be from;
Lee Clark
Peter Withe
Mark Hughes.
On form tonight Kippax
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Haven't read the thread yet but before I gather my thoughts....... I was looking elsewhere when Halsey awarded the penalty - didn't see the incident but on the way back WM said no way should it have been given. Was it 1-0 to the referee?
It wasn't a penalty in the slightest but I don't think it made the slightest difference.
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If we are to stand any chance of staying up then Lambert has to go now. Look at how Redknapp is changing QPR all ready,they have beat Chelsea and drew with Spurs in the last week or so ,two teams who wiped the floor with us. Don't ask me who we can get,but i know if we stay as we are,we are going down.
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Paul Lamber has stated on final score that we were excellent second half, Was this true as I wasen't there?
Not from what I was watching. Decent start, faded, let them get on top again, they hit the post, manic last 10 minutes.
In no way were we terrific or did we control the game and this against another relegation candidate.
Pretty much spot on. After 13 mins it was like a big switch had been pulled and we went back into our shell after a promising first 10 mins.
10 mad minutes at the end does not cover the utter shite that happened in between.
Lowton and Stevens were awful beyond comprehension.
Holman was gash.
Delph tried his best, but he is no midfield general.
Benteke wiped another million off his value today.
Please do not hide behind poor refereeing decisions or the penalty.
Remeber their goal came from our corner.
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The candidates should be from;
Di Matteo
Di Canio
Poyet
The likely appointment will be from;
Lee Clark
Peter Withe
Mark Hughes.
Can we scrub DiCanio please, I believe our history doesn't take too kindly to fascist salutes
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shocking penalty award!
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Keeping our hand in our pockets for the past 12 days has been foolish. Now, as we all knew, we are in a bigger hole and it could be too late.
SIGN PLAYERS NOW.
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The candidates should be from;
Di Matteo
Di Canio
Poyet
The likely appointment will be from;
Lee Clark
Peter Withe
Mark Hughes.
Can we scrub DiCanio please, I believe our history doesn't take too kindly to fascist salutes
Not a great list but di matteo is available now and may keep us up , often a change of manager sees a new impetus , I don't think we can continue like this.
Today is the tipping point.
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Keeping our hand in our pockets for the past 12 days has been foolish. Now, as we all knew, we are in a bigger hole and it could be too late.
SIGN PLAYERS NOW.
At the end of the season today's result could be the difference between us and Southampton.
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I don't care if there isn't a candidate lined up. He must be sacked by Monday! I'd rather have Sid Cowans in charge until the end of the season. At least he would fucking give the players a lesson in what it means to wear the Villa shirt. Heck!...even having K-Mac back wouldn't be too bad. At least he would get the best out of the academy lads.
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I don't care if there isn't a candidate lined up. He must be sacked by Monday! I'd rather have Sid Cowans in charge until the end of the season. At least he would fucking give the players a lesson in what it means to wear the Villa shirt. Heck!...even having K-Mac back wouldn't be too bad. At least he would get the best out of the academy lads.
Don't want an inside job, kmac or cowans not for me, needs someone from outside the club.
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The candidates should be from;
Di Matteo
Di Canio
Poyet
The likely appointment will be from;
Lee Clark
Peter Withe
Mark Hughes.
Can we scrub DiCanio please, I believe our history doesn't take too kindly to fascist salutes
Bosnich?
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The candidates should be from;
Di Matteo
Di Canio
Poyet
The likely appointment will be from;
Lee Clark
Peter Withe
Mark Hughes.
Can we scrub DiCanio please, I believe our history doesn't take too kindly to fascist salutes
Not a great list but di matteo is available now and may keep us up , often a change of manager sees a new impetus , I don't think we can continue like this.
Today is the tipping point.
But with the players Di Matteo has to work with how much better could he realistically do?
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No to Di Canio. And no to Di Matteo. Urgh.
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Di Matteo Jesus
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The candidates should be from;
Di Matteo
Di Canio
Poyet
The likely appointment will be from;
Lee Clark
Peter Withe
Mark Hughes.
Can we scrub DiCanio please, I believe our history doesn't take too kindly to fascist salutes
Not a great list but di matteo is available now and may keep us up , often a change of manager sees a new impetus , I don't think we can continue like this.
Today is the tipping point.
But with the players Di Matteo has to work with how much better could he realistically do?
If Lerner has lost faith in lambert he obviously won't give him money if he's thinking of sacking him, he may give the new man some money but if he does it it needs to be done in the next 48 hours and a new man in by Wednesday at the latest.
Di matteo would not be my 1st choice but there was talk of Lerner wanting him last summer until Chelsea renewed his deal, anyone got any other names to throw in who could walk straight in?
The likes of Sven or curbishley do not appeal in the slightest.
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5 Live missing the point spectacularly. One dubious penalty is not why we're where we are.
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"Aston Villa fans will always demand their team beats Southampton at home" Graham Taylor, 2001.
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We're gone - another gutless performance.
I said this after Ipswich, and Bradford - and again today . What formation is Lambert trying to play ?
Also the first substitution was a waste - bannan on the left hand side - should have been Gabby straightaway, which he did about 5 mins later.
He really is looking like a clueless manager - and if we do go down it will be a complete disaster, as the TV money goes through the roof next year.
We will do a Leeds - mark my words.
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Di Matteo Jesus
He'd be better than Lambert. Getting McLeish back would be better than Lambert. Exhuming Thora Hird and putting her in charge would be better than Lambert.
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Pete3206 commented yesterday:
Aston Villa in The Championship? Nope, not going to happen.
I reserve the right to completely change my mind. >:(
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That Southampton player should be ashamed of himself! We're still pants though
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We're gone - another gutless performance.
I said this after Ipswich, and Bradford - and again today . What formation is Lambert trying to play ?
Also the first substitution was a waste - bannan on the left hand side - should have been Gabby straightaway, which he did about 5 mins later.
He really is looking like a clueless manager - and if we do go down it will be a complete disaster, as the TV money goes through the roof next year.
We will do a Leeds - mark my words.
The gabby substitution was in response to the fans calling for him.
When a manager makes a substitution based on the fans singing for it, you know he has lost the plot.
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What formation is Lambert trying to play ?
Also the first substitution was a waste - bannan on the left hand side - should have been Gabby straightaway, which he did about 5 mins later.
He really is looking like a clueless manager
More worrying than any of the players over these last few weeks has been Lambert's tactics. I'm really struggling to see what he's trying to do. As somebody said last week, he really should stop calling MON for advice. He should also tell the players to stop hoofing it up to Benteke. It. doesn't. work.
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How on earth can a (experienced) Premiership referee and Linesman miss 7 foul throws?! On there injury he waited whilst they had the ball and then blew up when we were about to counter. Boruc should have been booked before and if he made our players go back whenever we tried to take a quick throw why did he let them off? I can't comment on the penalty because I never seen it but Talksport said it was controversial so I'll leave it at that I've never been so angry at a referee
Baker made a few good last ditch challenges, but had he been more alert in the 1st place he wouldn't have lost his man/been in the wrong position. Lowton is far too central for a full back. There is no width to our side, Enda Stevens had 2 players on his back and one running at him in the 2nd half at one point! Gabby was the substitution I'd have made at the time of the game but he offered us nothing, we need to look into replacing him
One positive today, I thought Delph showed plenty of fight and desire, also a little bit of composure. For me MOTM
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I just feel sick - the fact we chucked everything at them for 30 minutes and didn't score just makes it worse
Oh and to the 3 "neutrals" who sat behind us today and gave their running commentary on our shitness and then taped me on the shoulder to announce we were going down may I apologise for asking you to shut the fuck up when we were trying to get behind the team - on second thoughts shut the fuck up and then fuck off home...
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How old are you Eastie? 47? This isn't fantasy football you can't just change your manager. Stop belly aching and support them. We can't buy abit of luck. Same shit refs who feck us over Dowd and Halsey pair of ******. A massive week now to get the right players in.
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Robbed.
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Why did he take Zog off who at least looked like doing something?
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as much we should have still had enough even if the penalty was wrongly given, I think more than that the negative impact it has on the players psyche is immeasurable. Good teams shrug off bad decisions and goals conceded because they have the confidence and believe that they can go up the other end and score. These kids don't believe it and if their confidence was fragile at KO, then it is pretty much shot as soon as we fall behind. And especially at VP.
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Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
Benteke was gash, yet again, but I think Delph is just being typecast as the worst player on the pitch. He did alright today. Contributed more than N'Zogbia & co, that's for sure.
second to that. I was at the game and thought delph was one of the very to few who aquited himself well today. Its just a lazy opinion to keep hammering him
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I don't care if there isn't a candidate lined up. He must be sacked by Monday! I'd rather have Sid Cowans in charge until the end of the season. At least he would fucking give the players a lesson in what it means to wear the Villa shirt. Heck!...even having K-Mac back wouldn't be too bad. At least he would get the best out of the academy lads.
Don't want an inside job, kmac or cowans not for me, needs someone from outside the club.
I want an outsider too. I'm just saying I would rather those people instead of Lambert. I guess that isn't saying much though.
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Randy out, no good sacking Lambert were just going to appoint another manager and not back him so what's the fucking point? So fucking pissed off, Benteke missed so many chances its not even funny
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How old are you Eastie? 47? This isn't fantasy football you can't just change your manager. Stop belly aching and support them. We can't buy abit of luck. Same shit refs who feck us over Dowd and Halsey pair of c***s. A massive week now to get the right players in.
We are not this shit because of bad luck!
Did spurs not sack Christian gross, did Liverpool not sack hodgson , etc etc .
Of course we can change manager if its not working - do we just meekly go down without a fight?
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Di Matteo Jesus
He'd be better than Lambert. Getting McLeish back would be better than Lambert. Exhuming Thora Hird and putting her in charge would be better than Lambert.
Harry Redtwat had it right: "A fool could manage success at Chelsea." Di Matteo was sacked by West Brom and look what club they turned out to be since then!
The only manager I'd take would be Di Canio, the passion and desire and man management in that man is phenomenal. However, Lambert has not had a chance to make a difference at AVFC, and that goes down to Lerner
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How old are you Eastie? 47? This isn't fantasy football you can't just change your manager. Stop belly aching and support them. We can't buy abit of luck. Same shit refs who feck us over Dowd and Halsey pair of c***s. A massive week now to get the right players in.
We are not this shit because of bad luck!
No, were in it because our owner won't fork out on a bit of much needed experience
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Randy out, no good sacking Lambert were just going to appoint another manager and not back him so what's the fucking point? So fucking pissed off, Benteke missed so many chances its not even funny
Today on top of all the chances he missed on Tuesday - I wouldnt mind if the keeper was making saves - he cant hit the target most the time.
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Southampton are ****** and Rickie Lambert is a fat, overrated system striker.
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This is the watershed I'm afraid, we either make a decision on the manager now or we are preparing for the Championship.
Everyone can see we need experience, Lambert has no money but he spent £20mill in the Summer on crap, he will spend it just as badly if you give him more.
I think we are the worst team in the division on this recent run of performances, so a change is needed just to get the sort of reaction to jolt us out of this, it has worked many times in the past going back to Tommy Doc, and it's working for QPR with Redknapp, I have not seen a side with less confidence than this one nd it has many similariies with the 86-7 side, full of 'promising' youngsters who got us relegated and then disappeared to bigger clubs.
Act now Lerner before it's too late.
Villa fans fighting each other outside the ground today, we are all getting very angry now.
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How on earth can a (experienced) Premiership referee and Linesman miss 7 foul throws?! On there injury he waited whilst they had the ball and then blew up when we were about to counter. Boruc should have been booked before and if he made our players go back whenever we tried to take a quick throw why did he let them off? I can't comment on the penalty because I never seen it but Talksport said it was controversial so I'll leave it at that I've never been so angry at a referee
Baker made a few good last ditch challenges, but had he been more alert in the 1st place he wouldn't have lost his man/been in the wrong position. Lowton is far too central for a full back. There is no width to our side, Enda Stevens had 2 players on his back and one running at him in the 2nd half at one point! Gabby was the substitution I'd have made at the time of the game but he offered us nothing, we need to look into replacing him
One positive today, I thought Delph showed plenty of fight and desire, also a little bit of composure. For me MOTM
And I agree with you. Also he acts like a proffesional footballer and doesnt wear poncey black gloves as a fashion statement.
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Paul Lamber has stated on final score that we were excellent second half, Was this true as I wasen't there?
No.
We were ok for the first ten mins, then piss poor, until the last 5-10 minutes when we finally started showing some urgency.
If he thinks we could have been described as "excellent" at any point in that match, then he's fucking nuts, I'm afraid.
He also said we were 'relentless' and I nearly swerved my car on the way home.
We are relentlessly heading for the Championship
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One positive today, I thought Delph showed plenty of fight and desire, also a little bit of composure. For me MOTM
This. Don't understand the stick he has been getting the last few games when he has been decent in all of them. I guess the likes of Delph and Bannan have been made fall-guys by certain fans who will always scapegoat them if things are not going well regardless of how they play.
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My argument against TSM was that he was cowardly, unable to change.
Unfortunately, we seem to have a manager who suffers the same problems. The team desperately needs some experienced heads, not superstars on high wages, but some journeymen who may be able to lift us and held the kids along. A short term fix it may be, but it may still be a fix.
But no, the very image of Nero, while all around is chaos, he just plods along, downcast and projecting his miserable attitude on an already struggling bunch of players. How about trying to arrest the decline Paul, instead of watching on in almost distracted disinterest?
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One positive today, I thought Delph showed plenty of fight and desire, also a little bit of composure. For me MOTM
This. Don't understand the stick he has been getting the last few games when he has been decent in all of them. I guess the likes of Delph and Bannan have been made fall-guys by certain fans who will always scapegoat them if things are not going well regardless of how they play.
Delph played well today and gave everything.
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One positive today, I thought Delph showed plenty of fight and desire, also a little bit of composure. For me MOTM
This. Don't understand the stick he has been getting the last few games when he has been decent in all of them. I guess the likes of Delph and Bannan have been made fall-guys by certain fans who will always scapegoat them if things are not going well regardless of how they play.
I saw the scathing comments about Delph on Tuesday and just shook my head. Embarrassing to read.
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Really not sure what to say anymore
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One positive today, I thought Delph showed plenty of fight and desire, also a little bit of composure. For me MOTM
This. Don't understand the stick he has been getting the last few games when he has been decent in all of them. I guess the likes of Delph and Bannan have been made fall-guys by certain fans who will always scapegoat them if things are not going well regardless of how they play.
I saw the scathing comments about Delph on Tuesday and just shook my head. Embarrassing to read.
he was shit on tuesday anf had his best game in a Villa shirt today
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Totally unacceptable.
Fifteen decent minutes at the start, then a full half hour of Southampton totally, totally running things.
Moan all you like about the penalty, but at no point in this match did we look like we might be capable of winning it.
Ten improved minutes at the start of the second half, then nothing, and then a frenzied 5-10 minutes at the end, which will probably add an element of acceptability to this that just is not there.
I am a Lambert supporter, but honestly, if he or the chairman think this squad doesn't need adding to, they're both living in cloud cuckoo land.
Get the right players in, and it could improve markedly. A left back (again, the first half, Soton did what Bradford did, and mullered our left hand side), a centre back, and a gnarled fucker in the middle, and things could improve significantly.
If they do not do that, though, then unfortunately, we are going to get relegated, it's as clear as day. There's not a side in the league with less spirit than us at the moment. A bit of confidence would make a big difference, but at the moment, all we are watching is a bunch of kids getting beaten week after week, and their confidence is dying right in front of us.
We've been beaten at home 3-0 and 1-0 by two of the teams in the scrap with us. Those are the results that get you relegated.
Our sequence of most recent league results are L- D - L -L - L - and given the fact Swansea hit the post about 15 times, that was a lucky point.
The momentum is carrying us straight down now, and there is not a hope in hell of stopping that without additions to the squad, and very quickly, too.
Just got back and this sums it up perfectly for me. We huffed and puffed and yes we had some chances, but they were mostly as a result of the ball breaking for us round the box and not from situations we had created ourselves. The defending in the lead up to the penalty was awful even if it was a dive like everyone is saying (was in the North Stand so couldn't really tell).
We desperately needed some width, yet we continued to try and attack down the middle which they dealt with pretty comfortably for most of the game. Saying that, on the occasions we did get into wide areas our delivery was poor and the corners were awful today. I also lost count of the number of times we gave the ball away from our own throw ins today (Stevens especially).
As well as bringing players in, we need to also call time on others as no matter how much we want them to do well, they just aren't going to do it for us. N'Zogbia is just one of the players in that camp, but getting rid of them is probably going to be easier said than done. What a mess.
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One positive today, I thought Delph showed plenty of fight and desire, also a little bit of composure. For me MOTM
This. Don't understand the stick he has been getting the last few games when he has been decent in all of them. I guess the likes of Delph and Bannan have been made fall-guys by certain fans who will always scapegoat them if things are not going well regardless of how they play.
I saw the scathing comments about Delph on Tuesday and just shook my head. Embarrassing to read.
Delph was a one man midfield on Tuesday. Today Westwood and Delph looked composed, showed desire and got stuck in. We lack some creativity, a fit/in form Darren Bent and an experienced defender which we will have in Ron Vlaar, unfortunately, we just lost a six-pointer
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Delph played and tried hard all day today, but it is just getting depressing being a Villa fan and I am 52 , I should know better, why does this season every game day, means a row with those you love, because of those bastards you love even more AVFC.
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I never went today because of flu but I'm feeling a whole lot worse now.
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Just come back.Agree with a lot that was said by L and P, we did try in the 2nd half, and the attitude, and determination was excellant, but the quality is not there.Too often the final ball is poor, and the back 4 look vulnerable every time a team attacks.For me both Baker and Clark need taking out the firing line, too inexperienced, too fragile.
Both Westwood and Delph tried hard, and indeed played well, but they are too weak as a centre 2.We stood off them, and allowed them to knock the ball, we need a midfielder who has the strength, aggression and speed to "get in their faces".Delph and Westwood don/can't do that.
Benteke, had one of those days, like wens, should have had 2/3 goals today, did'nt score, and unfortunately, he is our biggest hope.Gabby came on, and did nothing as usual, N'Zog tried, but doesn't look a £10m player, Weimann needes a rest.
I don't see the point of getting rid of Lambert tbh, everything that can go wrong atm is going wrong, Ston didn't deserve to win today, and we need a bit of luck.Will we survive, not unless we buy 2/3 players, over to you Randy
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While Delph did ok today it was an insult to all the fans that went to Bradford on Tuesday to see the pairing of Delph and Bannan in the centre again today.
I want Lambert to sort it, I just don't know if he can. He has to buy/loan a couple of players, with the situation we are in they should have been in place for this game. No to do so is terrible management.
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Keep the status quo and we are down for sure. And even if we do get players in I'm entirely sure it will be enough.
What has happened to our great club?
We became the toy of a talentless fuckwit who bought us with his daddy's money.
Totally agree with that statement. His father was an effective business man and sports franchise owner. RL appears to have inherited his power, but not his abilities, right down to appointing the wrong people such as Faulkner.
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A cheating scum, a wanker incompetent referee and inability to score from good chances cost is the game today. We had enough chances in the second half to win three games but there we are.
Delph was motm today.
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I don't think Boruc made one really good save. He made one decent save where he knocked it to the feet of Benteke who missed an open goal which in my opinion he should have beaten away from goal, one save from a header but apart from that it was extremely straightfoward for him. We have no imagination up front
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Harry Redtwat had it right: "A fool could manage success at Chelsea." Di Matteo was sacked by West Brom and look what club they turned out to be since then!
Rednapp is just a bitter little twat who was making a cheapshot at AVB who has already acheived more at 35 then 'Arry has in his whole career. If it was so easy, then why didn't any other Chelski manager win the CL? And RDM did a more than decent job at the Boggies. He got them promoted and they were out of the relegation zone when he was sacked. He was also the one who signed Mulumbu and Odemwingie for peanuts.However, Lambert has not had a chance to make a difference at AVFC, and that goes down to Lerner
Yes he has! He has had more than half a season and he has made us worse.
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I don't think Boruc made one really good save. He made one decent save where he knocked it to the feet of Benteke who missed an open goal which in my opinion he should have beaten away from goal, one save from a header but apart from that it was extremely straightfoward for him. We have no imagination up front
We have no imagination off the field either.
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Harry Redtwat had it right: "A fool could manage success at Chelsea." Di Matteo was sacked by West Brom and look what club they turned out to be since then!
Rednapp is just a bitter little twat who was making a cheapshot at AVB who has already acheived more at 35 then 'Arry has in his whole career. If it was so easy, then why didn't any other Chelski manager win the CL? And RDM did a more than decent job at the Boggies. He got them promoted and they were out of the relegation zone when he was sacked. He was also the one who signed Mulumbu and Odemwingie for peanuts.However, Lambert has not had a chance to make a difference at AVFC, and that goes down to Lerner
Yes he has! He has had more than half a season and he has made us worse.
I tend to agree with all your points there.
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I have decided Southampton are crap, after all they only beat us 1-0
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Harry Redtwat had it right: "A fool could manage success at Chelsea." Di Matteo was sacked by West Brom and look what club they turned out to be since then!
Rednapp is just a bitter little twat who was making a cheapshot at AVB who has already acheived more at 35 then 'Arry has in his whole career. If it was so easy, then why didn't any other Chelski manager win the CL? And RDM did a more than decent job at the Boggies. He got them promoted and they were out of the relegation zone when he was sacked. He was also the one who signed Mulumbu and Odemwingie for peanuts.However, Lambert has not had a chance to make a difference at AVFC, and that goes down to Lerner
Yes he has! He has had more than half a season and he has made us worse.
Baggies were doomed under Di Matteo, Hodgson took that club from relegation battlers to mid table comfort and almost into Europe. Steve Clark has continued that good work.
Abromivich choses the signings and picked the team, the players chose their tactics.
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Here's a link to my match report for today: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/aston-villa/fansverdict/12-01-2013/aston-villa-vs-southampton. As it seems to wind some up when I don't post the text here, i've done that as well, but if I can ask all of you a favour - can you click on the link and rate the players via the site (you can rate the manager and the ref too) as Sean and I are getting good numbers and people from here have played a part in that.
Needless to say, feedback is appreciated:
Aston Villa Match Report: Aston Villa 0 Southampton 1
I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the same old tired themes. I'm impatient of shambolic defending, hacked off with unstructured midfield, dissatisfied with overcomplicated attacks and spitting fire with incompetent officials.
I hate having my weekends ruined following a team with no desire, management with no tactical ability and an owner who must have a long-hidden vendetta against the club that's finally too overwhelming to rein in.
Needless to say, Aston Villa lost again, and it was down to a combination of slapstick and the kind of luck you get when the world isn't finished with the joke. The situation's not even worrying: let's just assume we're going down, and hold a wake for the rest of the season.
Today was the ideal opportunity to punt ourselves slightly ahead of the relegation pack and the pressure was too much. A great start went unrewarded and settled the game down in Southampton's favour, leaving them to exploit the space left by Villa's narrow midfield. Saints' full-backs were excellent and Jason Puncheon was a constant menace, but this is nothing new: it was the same when they thrashed us at St Mary's. Jay Rodriguez deserves a ban for his dive, which he won't get, but that'll be a footnote seven days from now.
Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.
The amount of corners we had that didn't beat the first man was horrific, and Southampton picked up where Bradford City left off in terms of luck: they waited for Villa to retreat into the dark cloud that envelops the club and earned a relatively easy win. The fact that they didn't have to work for their winner was a welcome bonus.
It was a better second-half performance but the same frailties are massively obvious: Villa are spirited yet limited. We're now back in the bottom three and 18 goals have been conceded in five league games. Somehow it feels like a script is being played out because all the elements are there: no confidence, no luck, little money for new players, no signings on the horizon, fans against the owner, people turning on the manager. This isn't Roy Of The Rovers, and in real life there are no eleventh hour heroes to come off the bench and save the day.
Mathematically, there's a way to go before Aston Villa are out of touch. But there are no signs our luck might be changing. The imminent returns of more experienced players might surprise us all, but currently we're sliding out of the league with a whimper.
Every corner Villa turn leads to a cul-de-sac, and if there were other options, the sack might be what Paul Lambert would get. But a key decision like that is no guarantee of a positive outcome, and results like today confirm when everything's against you, the only thing you get is nothing.
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This is the watershed I'm afraid, we either make a decision on the manager now or we are preparing for the Championship.
Everyone can see we need experience, Lambert has no money but he spent £20mill in the Summer on crap, he will spend it just as badly if you give him more.
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Presumably he spent on 'crap' because he was instructed to buy players on low wages with potential to increase their transfer value. An excellent business strategy to buy objects that have low maintenance costs and potential for large capital gains. Unless you're a football club which needs a business strategy significantly more complex and sophisticated than that being delivered by the current business crew who'd do better pursuing their business plan in the bullring market.
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Failure is directly linked to Leadership...Look no further than Lerner.
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I believe that Lambert will sleep on it overnight and if he knows already he's got very little money to play with and it appears reading between the lines that is the case he will tender his resignation.
Which doesnt help in any way at all because the incoming candidate will be in the same position and will find improving the team a thankless
task probably beyond him.
Whose fault? Lambert's if Faulkner told him exactly what he could have in terms of finance when he accepted the position
or Lerners if he changed the goalposts(as Doug would have) as the season progressed.
The only hope we have of escaping relegation is that Darren Bent is selected and goes on a scoring run which he is quite capable of doing.
No other hope at all.
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While Delph did ok today it was an insult to all the fans that went to Bradford on Tuesday to see the pairing of Delph and Bannan in the centre again today.
It was actually Delph/Westwood today.
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The "penalty" was a total shambles even before the diving.
It was actually our corner but N'zogbia (who in fairness I thought did o.k and workrate was better than usual. He's also vastly experienced in relegation battles through playing for wigan) failed to even beat the first man. Puncheon then broke away but we actually intercepted it just as he got to the box. Must have been 3-4 opportunites to kick it upfield but no communciation at all and they all left it to each other which enabled the Southampton player to get it back and led to the penalty.
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Just back after some retail therapy, feck me it was cold down B6 today. So, was it a penalty as I haven't seen a replay of it?
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Just back after some retail therapy, feck me it was cold down B6 today. So, was it a penalty as I haven't seen a replay of it?
Check page 16
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Here's a link to my match report for today: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/aston-villa/fansverdict/12-01-2013/aston-villa-vs-southampton. As it seems to wind some up when I don't post the text here, i've done that as well, but if I can ask all of you a favour - can you click on the link and rate the players via the site (you can rate the manager and the ref too) as Sean and I are getting good numbers and people from here have played a part in that.
Needless to say, feedback is appreciated:
Aston Villa Match Report: Aston Villa 0 Southampton 1
I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the same old tired themes. I'm impatient of shambolic defending, hacked off with unstructured midfield, dissatisfied with overcomplicated attacks and spitting fire with incompetent officials.
I hate having my weekends ruined following a team with no desire, management with no tactical ability and an owner who must have a long-hidden vendetta against the club that's finally too overwhelming to rein in.
Needless to say, Aston Villa lost again, and it was down to a combination of slapstick and the kind of luck you get when the world isn't finished with the joke. The situation's not even worrying: let's just assume we're going down, and hold a wake for the rest of the season.
Today was the ideal opportunity to punt ourselves slightly ahead of the relegation pack and the pressure was too much. A great start went unrewarded and settled the game down in Southampton's favour, leaving them to exploit the space left by Villa's narrow midfield. Saints' full-backs were excellent and Jason Puncheon was a constant menace, but this is nothing new: it was the same when they thrashed us at St Mary's. Jay Rodriguez deserves a ban for his dive, which he won't get, but that'll be a footnote seven days from now.
Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.
The amount of corners we had that didn't beat the first man was horrific, and Southampton picked up where Bradford City left off in terms of luck: they waited for Villa to retreat into the dark cloud that envelops the club and earned a relatively easy win. The fact that they didn't have to work for their winner was a welcome bonus.
It was a better second-half performance but the same frailties are massively obvious: Villa are spirited yet limited. We're now back in the bottom three and 18 goals have been conceded in five league games. Somehow it feels like a script is being played out because all the elements are there: no confidence, no luck, little money for new players, no signings on the horizon, fans against the owner, people turning on the manager. This isn't Roy Of The Rovers, and in real life there are no eleventh hour heroes to come off the bench and save the day.
Mathematically, there's a way to go before Aston Villa are out of touch. But there are no signs our luck might be changing. The imminent returns of more experienced players might surprise us all, but currently we're sliding out of the league with a whimper.
Every corner Villa turn leads to a cul-de-sac, and if there were other options, the sack might be what Paul Lambert would get. But a key decision like that is no guarantee of a positive outcome, and results like today confirm when everything's against you, the only thing you get is nothing.
please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options.
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Here's a link to my match report for today: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/aston-villa/fansverdict/12-01-2013/aston-villa-vs-southampton. As it seems to wind some up when I don't post the text here, i've done that as well, but if I can ask all of you a favour - can you click on the link and rate the players via the site (you can rate the manager and the ref too) as Sean and I are getting good numbers and people from here have played a part in that.
Needless to say, feedback is appreciated:
Aston Villa Match Report: Aston Villa 0 Southampton 1
I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the same old tired themes. I'm impatient of shambolic defending, hacked off with unstructured midfield, dissatisfied with overcomplicated attacks and spitting fire with incompetent officials.
I hate having my weekends ruined following a team with no desire, management with no tactical ability and an owner who must have a long-hidden vendetta against the club that's finally too overwhelming to rein in.
Needless to say, Aston Villa lost again, and it was down to a combination of slapstick and the kind of luck you get when the world isn't finished with the joke. The situation's not even worrying: let's just assume we're going down, and hold a wake for the rest of the season.
Today was the ideal opportunity to punt ourselves slightly ahead of the relegation pack and the pressure was too much. A great start went unrewarded and settled the game down in Southampton's favour, leaving them to exploit the space left by Villa's narrow midfield. Saints' full-backs were excellent and Jason Puncheon was a constant menace, but this is nothing new: it was the same when they thrashed us at St Mary's. Jay Rodriguez deserves a ban for his dive, which he won't get, but that'll be a footnote seven days from now.
Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.
The amount of corners we had that didn't beat the first man was horrific, and Southampton picked up where Bradford City left off in terms of luck: they waited for Villa to retreat into the dark cloud that envelops the club and earned a relatively easy win. The fact that they didn't have to work for their winner was a welcome bonus.
It was a better second-half performance but the same frailties are massively obvious: Villa are spirited yet limited. We're now back in the bottom three and 18 goals have been conceded in five league games. Somehow it feels like a script is being played out because all the elements are there: no confidence, no luck, little money for new players, no signings on the horizon, fans against the owner, people turning on the manager. This isn't Roy Of The Rovers, and in real life there are no eleventh hour heroes to come off the bench and save the day.
Mathematically, there's a way to go before Aston Villa are out of touch. But there are no signs our luck might be changing. The imminent returns of more experienced players might surprise us all, but currently we're sliding out of the league with a whimper.
Every corner Villa turn leads to a cul-de-sac, and if there were other options, the sack might be what Paul Lambert would get. But a key decision like that is no guarantee of a positive outcome, and results like today confirm when everything's against you, the only thing you get is nothing.
Did you read it back to yourself before posting?
It's a bit of a mess.
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Just back after some retail therapy, feck me it was cold down B6 today. So, was it a penalty as I haven't seen a replay of it?
Clear dive, but dreadful defending in the lead up.
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Just back after some retail therapy, feck me it was cold down B6 today. So, was it a penalty as I haven't seen a replay of it?
Check page 16
Cheers. Just looked at it, the cheating twunt. We'll get some good luck one day.
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I believe that Lambert will sleep on it overnight and if he knows already he's got very little money to play with and it appears reading between the lines that is the case he will tender his resignation.
Which doesnt help in any way at all because the incoming candidate will be in the same position and will find improving the team a thankless
task probably beyond him.
Whose fault? Lambert's if Faulkner told him exactly what he could have in terms of finance when he accepted the position
or Lerners if he changed the goalposts(as Doug would have) as the season progressed.
The only hope we have of escaping relegation is that Darren Bent is selected and goes on a scoring run which he is quite capable of doing.
No other hope at all.
Why would he resign and lose a pay off ? Maybe mutual consent could be trotted out though I guess.
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We should have battered their right back, he looked shaky and brittle, they were utter gash particularly at the back. How we never scored or even really looked like scoring I'll never know, sign of relegation I fear
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Here's a link to my match report for today: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/aston-villa/fansverdict/12-01-2013/aston-villa-vs-southampton. As it seems to wind some up when I don't post the text here, i've done that as well, but if I can ask all of you a favour - can you click on the link and rate the players via the site (you can rate the manager and the ref too) as Sean and I are getting good numbers and people from here have played a part in that.
Needless to say, feedback is appreciated:
Aston Villa Match Report: Aston Villa 0 Southampton 1
I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the same old tired themes. I'm impatient of shambolic defending, hacked off with unstructured midfield, dissatisfied with overcomplicated attacks and spitting fire with incompetent officials.
I hate having my weekends ruined following a team with no desire, management with no tactical ability and an owner who must have a long-hidden vendetta against the club that's finally too overwhelming to rein in.
Needless to say, Aston Villa lost again, and it was down to a combination of slapstick and the kind of luck you get when the world isn't finished with the joke. The situation's not even worrying: let's just assume we're going down, and hold a wake for the rest of the season.
Today was the ideal opportunity to punt ourselves slightly ahead of the relegation pack and the pressure was too much. A great start went unrewarded and settled the game down in Southampton's favour, leaving them to exploit the space left by Villa's narrow midfield. Saints' full-backs were excellent and Jason Puncheon was a constant menace, but this is nothing new: it was the same when they thrashed us at St Mary's. Jay Rodriguez deserves a ban for his dive, which he won't get, but that'll be a footnote seven days from now.
Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.
The amount of corners we had that didn't beat the first man was horrific, and Southampton picked up where Bradford City left off in terms of luck: they waited for Villa to retreat into the dark cloud that envelops the club and earned a relatively easy win. The fact that they didn't have to work for their winner was a welcome bonus.
It was a better second-half performance but the same frailties are massively obvious: Villa are spirited yet limited. We're now back in the bottom three and 18 goals have been conceded in five league games. Somehow it feels like a script is being played out because all the elements are there: no confidence, no luck, little money for new players, no signings on the horizon, fans against the owner, people turning on the manager. This isn't Roy Of The Rovers, and in real life there are no eleventh hour heroes to come off the bench and save the day.
Mathematically, there's a way to go before Aston Villa are out of touch. But there are no signs our luck might be changing. The imminent returns of more experienced players might surprise us all, but currently we're sliding out of the league with a whimper.
Every corner Villa turn leads to a cul-de-sac, and if there were other options, the sack might be what Paul Lambert would get. But a key decision like that is no guarantee of a positive outcome, and results like today confirm when everything's against you, the only thing you get is nothing.
Did you read it back to yourself before posting?
It's a bit of a mess.
I think it started badly, dipped in the middle and the least said about the ending the better.
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I believe that Lambert will sleep on it overnight and if he knows already he's got very little money to play with and it appears reading between the lines that is the case he will tender his resignation.
Which doesnt help in any way at all because the incoming candidate will be in the same position and will find improving the team a thankless
task probably beyond him.
Whose fault? Lambert's if Faulkner told him exactly what he could have in terms of finance when he accepted the position
or Lerners if he changed the goalposts(as Doug would have) as the season progressed.
The only hope we have of escaping relegation is that Darren Bent is selected and goes on a scoring run which he is quite capable of doing.
No other hope at all.
Why would he resign and lose a pay off ? Maybe mutual consent could be trotted out though I guess.I
Since when has resigning meant you don't get compensation ?
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I believe that Lambert will sleep on it overnight and if he knows already he's got very little money to play with and it appears reading between the lines that is the case he will tender his resignation.
Which doesnt help in any way at all because the incoming candidate will be in the same position and will find improving the team a thankless
task probably beyond him.
Whose fault? Lambert's if Faulkner told him exactly what he could have in terms of finance when he accepted the position
or Lerners if he changed the goalposts(as Doug would have) as the season progressed.
The only hope we have of escaping relegation is that Darren Bent is selected and goes on a scoring run which he is quite capable of doing.
No other hope at all.
Why would he resign and lose a pay off ? Maybe mutual consent could be trotted out though I guess.I
Since when has resigning meant you don't get compensation ?
for ever
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Another defeat, another poor performance and another step toward division 2 and oblivion.
We had a few ok minutes but other than that we were poor, slightly better in the second half.
Our squad is to weak and too inexperienced, and our manager is looking more out of his depth every week.
We are starting to loose touch with some of the teams above us and our piss poor goal difference is starting to have its effect.
It was bloody cold down VP today and the cold winds of relegation were blowing around
The board and the manager need to have a chat and both need to be realistic in there aims and abilities, it's put up or fuck off time for Lerner and Lambert
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I believe that Lambert will sleep on it overnight and if he knows already he's got very little money to play with and it appears reading between the lines that is the case he will tender his resignation.
Which doesnt help in any way at all because the incoming candidate will be in the same position and will find improving the team a thankless
task probably beyond him.
Whose fault? Lambert's if Faulkner told him exactly what he could have in terms of finance when he accepted the position
or Lerners if he changed the goalposts(as Doug would have) as the season progressed.
The only hope we have of escaping relegation is that Darren Bent is selected and goes on a scoring run which he is quite capable of doing.
No other hope at all.
Why would he resign and lose a pay off ? Maybe mutual consent could be trotted out though I guess.I
Since when has resigning meant you don't get compensation ?
for ever
Somebody had better tell MON then.
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I actually think the worst thing about the Chelsea, Spurs and Wigan games was that it showed the 3-5-2 formation had failed. I genuinely think Lambert thought he was on to something with it and the 6 game unbeaten run probably backed up that belief. After the car-crash of those 3 games he has clearly lost self-belief in his ability and it shows from his demeanour recently. He has tried everything and it has failed. The narrow 4-4-2 failed. The 4-2-3-1 has failed. Then the 3-5-2 failed. Now we are back to the 4-4-2 which has failed. Although as I have said, tactics are pretty unimportant when the players look mentally weak, nervous and not up for it. As much as I didn't want PL to be the same as MON, I did think he would have MON's man-management and motivational skills. Clearly not. He is just inept on pretty much every level and I will go on record as saying he is inferior to McLeish.
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Must admit from where I was sat in P8 my initial feeling was penalty however it's such a joke of a decision it's untrue
What was Benteke on today ? Awful finishing again
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I believe that Lambert will sleep on it overnight and if he knows already he's got very little money to play with and it appears reading between the lines that is the case he will tender his resignation.
Which doesnt help in any way at all because the incoming candidate will be in the same position and will find improving the team a thankless
task probably beyond him.
Whose fault? Lambert's if Faulkner told him exactly what he could have in terms of finance when he accepted the position
or Lerners if he changed the goalposts(as Doug would have) as the season progressed.
The only hope we have of escaping relegation is that Darren Bent is selected and goes on a scoring run which he is quite capable of doing.
No other hope at all.
Why would he resign and lose a pay off ? Maybe mutual consent could be trotted out though I guess.I
Since when has resigning meant you don't get compensation ?
for ever
Somebody had better tell MON then.
He didnt resign, he walked out and claimed unfair dismissal, completely different.
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Here's a link to my match report for today: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/aston-villa/fansverdict/12-01-2013/aston-villa-vs-southampton. As it seems to wind some up when I don't post the text here, i've done that as well, but if I can ask all of you a favour - can you click on the link and rate the players via the site (you can rate the manager and the ref too) as Sean and I are getting good numbers and people from here have played a part in that.
Needless to say, feedback is appreciated:
Aston Villa Match Report: Aston Villa 0 Southampton 1
I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the same old tired themes. I'm impatient of shambolic defending, hacked off with unstructured midfield, dissatisfied with overcomplicated attacks and spitting fire with incompetent officials.
I hate having my weekends ruined following a team with no desire, management with no tactical ability and an owner who must have a long-hidden vendetta against the club that's finally too overwhelming to rein in.
Needless to say, Aston Villa lost again, and it was down to a combination of slapstick and the kind of luck you get when the world isn't finished with the joke. The situation's not even worrying: let's just assume we're going down, and hold a wake for the rest of the season.
Today was the ideal opportunity to punt ourselves slightly ahead of the relegation pack and the pressure was too much. A great start went unrewarded and settled the game down in Southampton's favour, leaving them to exploit the space left by Villa's narrow midfield. Saints' full-backs were excellent and Jason Puncheon was a constant menace, but this is nothing new: it was the same when they thrashed us at St Mary's. Jay Rodriguez deserves a ban for his dive, which he won't get, but that'll be a footnote seven days from now.
Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.
The amount of corners we had that didn't beat the first man was horrific, and Southampton picked up where Bradford City left off in terms of luck: they waited for Villa to retreat into the dark cloud that envelops the club and earned a relatively easy win. The fact that they didn't have to work for their winner was a welcome bonus.
It was a better second-half performance but the same frailties are massively obvious: Villa are spirited yet limited. We're now back in the bottom three and 18 goals have been conceded in five league games. Somehow it feels like a script is being played out because all the elements are there: no confidence, no luck, little money for new players, no signings on the horizon, fans against the owner, people turning on the manager. This isn't Roy Of The Rovers, and in real life there are no eleventh hour heroes to come off the bench and save the day.
Mathematically, there's a way to go before Aston Villa are out of touch. But there are no signs our luck might be changing. The imminent returns of more experienced players might surprise us all, but currently we're sliding out of the league with a whimper.
Every corner Villa turn leads to a cul-de-sac, and if there were other options, the sack might be what Paul Lambert would get. But a key decision like that is no guarantee of a positive outcome, and results like today confirm when everything's against you, the only thing you get is nothing.
please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options.
You know what don't bother reading it then!
Actually I think its pretty good and I appreciate the effort that someone has put into writing a report but I suppose some people just find it easier to criticise everything!
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While Delph did ok today it was an insult to all the fans that went to Bradford on Tuesday to see the pairing of Delph and Bannan in the centre again today.
It was actually Delph/Westwood today.
Not for the last 10 minutes it wasn't after Bowery came on.
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I never went today because of flu but I'm feeling a whole lot worse now.
Fickle.
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Here's a link to my match report for today: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/aston-villa/fansverdict/12-01-2013/aston-villa-vs-southampton. As it seems to wind some up when I don't post the text here, i've done that as well, but if I can ask all of you a favour - can you click on the link and rate the players via the site (you can rate the manager and the ref too) as Sean and I are getting good numbers and people from here have played a part in that.
Needless to say, feedback is appreciated:
Aston Villa Match Report: Aston Villa 0 Southampton 1
I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the same old tired themes. I'm impatient of shambolic defending, hacked off with unstructured midfield, dissatisfied with overcomplicated attacks and spitting fire with incompetent officials.
I hate having my weekends ruined following a team with no desire, management with no tactical ability and an owner who must have a long-hidden vendetta against the club that's finally too overwhelming to rein in.
Needless to say, Aston Villa lost again, and it was down to a combination of slapstick and the kind of luck you get when the world isn't finished with the joke. The situation's not even worrying: let's just assume we're going down, and hold a wake for the rest of the season.
Today was the ideal opportunity to punt ourselves slightly ahead of the relegation pack and the pressure was too much. A great start went unrewarded and settled the game down in Southampton's favour, leaving them to exploit the space left by Villa's narrow midfield. Saints' full-backs were excellent and Jason Puncheon was a constant menace, but this is nothing new: it was the same when they thrashed us at St Mary's. Jay Rodriguez deserves a ban for his dive, which he won't get, but that'll be a footnote seven days from now.
Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.
The amount of corners we had that didn't beat the first man was horrific, and Southampton picked up where Bradford City left off in terms of luck: they waited for Villa to retreat into the dark cloud that envelops the club and earned a relatively easy win. The fact that they didn't have to work for their winner was a welcome bonus.
It was a better second-half performance but the same frailties are massively obvious: Villa are spirited yet limited. We're now back in the bottom three and 18 goals have been conceded in five league games. Somehow it feels like a script is being played out because all the elements are there: no confidence, no luck, little money for new players, no signings on the horizon, fans against the owner, people turning on the manager. This isn't Roy Of The Rovers, and in real life there are no eleventh hour heroes to come off the bench and save the day.
Mathematically, there's a way to go before Aston Villa are out of touch. But there are no signs our luck might be changing. The imminent returns of more experienced players might surprise us all, but currently we're sliding out of the league with a whimper.
Every corner Villa turn leads to a cul-de-sac, and if there were other options, the sack might be what Paul Lambert would get. But a key decision like that is no guarantee of a positive outcome, and results like today confirm when everything's against you, the only thing you get is nothing.
please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options.
You know what don't bother reading it then!
Actually I think its pretty good and I appreciate the effort that someone has put into writing a report but I suppose some people just find it easier to criticise everything!
Actually that is a terrible post, criticising my criticising, i guess some people find it easier to criticise everything
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Here we go again sack the manager sack the manager sack the manager. I'ts no coincidence that the previous managers couldn't get it right either, how many managers do you want to sack before the penny drops that the manager may not be the problem. It's like this, the owner decides wages are far to high so decides to sell all our better players after all we have a great academy and the kids are going to be brilliant, we fill the side with reserve players then expect the manager to produce a quality team. Many of those kids are still in the team because the manager can't buy a whole team in six months. Do you seriously believe that Lambert can't see the problems? Lerner needs to back him or get out pure and simple.
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Lambert wasnt interested in Chris Wood. He was interested in a 500,000 journeyman from Chesterfield.
Says it all really.
By the way the word journeyman came from a Chesterfield supporter.
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Just got home. Sunk a large Highland Park. However that hasn't dulled the pain or realisation that we are going to get relegated. (despite my earlier denials)
Never a penalty in a month of Sundays but we still can't score. We can't beat the teams around us, are in poor form, are a poor team with no confidence with a piss poor owner.
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Here we go again sack the manager sack the manager sack the manager. I'ts no coincidence that the previous managers couldn't get it right either, how many managers do you want to sack before the penny drops that the manager may not be the problem. It's like this, the owner decides wages are far to high so decides to sell all our better players after all we have a great academy and the kids are going to be brilliant, we fill the side with reserve players then expect the manager to produce a quality team. Many of those kids are still in the team because the manager can't buy a whole team in six months. Do you seriously believe that Lambert can't see the problems? Lerner needs to back him or get out pure and simple.
is pretty much how i see it, i believe Lambert said he has got no money, if that is the case then it is not his fault
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Here we go again sack the manager sack the manager sack the manager. I'ts no coincidence that the previous managers couldn't get it right either, how many managers do you want to sack before the penny drops that the manager may not be the problem. It's like this, the owner decides wages are far to high so decides to sell all our better players after all we have a great academy and the kids are going to be brilliant, we fill the side with reserve players then expect the manager to produce a quality team. Many of those kids are still in the team because the manager can't buy a whole team in six months. Do you seriously believe that Lambert can't see the problems? Lerner needs to back him or get out pure and simple.
This is pretty much it in a nutshell. It's just that Lambert isn't dealing with the situation as well as we'd hoped.
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Here we go again sack the manager sack the manager sack the manager. I'ts no coincidence that the previous managers couldn't get it right either, how many managers do you want to sack before the penny drops that the manager may not be the problem. It's like this, the owner decides wages are far to high so decides to sell all our better players after all we have a great academy and the kids are going to be brilliant, we fill the side with reserve players then expect the manager to produce a quality team. Many of those kids are still in the team because the manager can't buy a whole team in six months. Do you seriously believe that Lambert can't see the problems? Lerner needs to back him or get out pure and simple.
This is pretty much it in a nutshell. It's just that Lambert isn't dealing with the situation as well as we'd hoped.
I'm with these two.
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Here we go again sack the manager sack the manager sack the manager. I'ts no coincidence that the previous managers couldn't get it right either, how many managers do you want to sack before the penny drops that the manager may not be the problem. It's like this, the owner decides wages are far to high so decides to sell all our better players after all we have a great academy and the kids are going to be brilliant, we fill the side with reserve players then expect the manager to produce a quality team. Many of those kids are still in the team because the manager can't buy a whole team in six months. Do you seriously believe that Lambert can't see the problems? Lerner needs to back him or get out pure and simple.
This is pretty much it in a nutshell. It's just that Lambert isn't dealing with the situation as well as we'd hoped.
I agree to an extent but surely if Lambert can't do it then is it impossible because he seems to have been able to work with little cash to get Norwich where they are.
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So am I. If there was one thing I could change about the club right this second it would be to replace Lerner.
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So am I. If there was one thing I could change about the club right this second it would be to replace Lerner.
Lerner is the real problem but he isn't going to go right now , bringing in a new manager can save us.
Lambert should only stay if Lerner backs him financially , if not then he should sack him .
The only way lambert will keep us up is if he's given decent transfer money and that's not happening.
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So am I. If there was one thing I could change about the club right this second it would be to replace Lerner.
Lerner is the real problem but he isn't going to go right now , bringing in a new manager can save us.
Lambert should only stay if Lerner backs him financially , if not then he should sack him .
The only way lambert will keep us up is if he's given decent transfer money and that's not happening.
I'm sorry, but no one could come in (realistic for where we are now) and keep us up without backing. Injuries to the experienced players haven't helped his cause. Nor the fact that Lerner gives him next to nothing to spend on wages
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I have never thought it made any sense sacking Lambert partly because, as others, have said, we can't just keep sacking managers we need some consistency and partly because its just a terrible time in the season. But now it feels like do nothing and we're doomed. Maybe we need to take a risk...
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Thought the formation / players first half were all over the place.
Dreadful decision by our friend Mr Halsey, clear dive, if Swarez does that tomorrow he'd be run out of the country. There won't be too much fuss over this one as it's only Aston Villa. I've never forgiven Halsey for his eagerness to ensure Arsenal beat us a few years ago.
Benteke will not score the goals needed to keep us up.
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I'm with you Kingthing.. We need to calm down.
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Just home from yet another bad, bad game.
It is not at all complicated. Our players are not good enough and have not been good enough for two and a half seasons.
Last season we deluded ourselves into thinking that the players coming through our youth academy were very much better than they really are. That self deception and the comfort blanket of blaming McLeish for bad performances on the pitch week after week blinded us to the truth. We desperately wanted Clark and Baker and Lichaj and Bannan and Albrighton and Herd and Weimann to be premiership class and with the possible exception of Weimann they are not.
Add to that self deception the self deception that Bennett and Lowton and Woodward and Stephens and Bowery and Holman and KEA and Vlaar and Benteke are all potentially good premiership players and the scene is set for the massive implosion we have seen this season.
As far as Lambert is concerned we deluded ourselves into thinking that he could do for us what he did for Norwich but he has not shown any sign whatsoever of achieving that in the time he has been in charge. Our situation and the situation he faced at Norwich are very different. With them he had time in the lower echelon to bed in young, cheap players and jell them into a team unit. He had time. Here he has been expected to hit the ground running and has applied the same formula of buying cheap young players but both the ones he has bought and the ones we already had do not possess sufficient ability or confidence to hack it at the top level and it shows, week after week.
Lambert is drinking in the last chance saloon but so are Lerner and Faulkner. They have no choice but to tough it out. Lambert will seek to shore up his position with the owner by assuring him that he can do the business with the squad of poor players he has (ignore their age, they are adult professional footballers on good wages relative to their abilities). That will be music to Lerner's ears and Faulkner is only a Lerner yes-man so we will go into February with only the deckchairs on the Titanic rearranged.
That game and the Wigan game are the games which sealed our fate.
I shall continue to follow Villa wherever they are playing but it will be only from the habit of a lifetime not with any expectation WHATSOEVER of enjoyment or satisfaction. They have become a Ship of Fools.
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I have to say, somewhat against the run of play, that I've changed my mind on this team.
They ARE good enough. This team put in a proper formation, well-drilled and well-marshaled ought to be well clear of relegation.
A big part of me still believes in the Lambert revolution but the buck has to stop with him.
Funnily enough, I thought the likes of Baker and Stevens were good today and show that there's nothing wrong with most of the young players but you can't have them running around, seemingly with no shape whatsoever and expect to not get turned over.
Should he stay or should he go, such a tough call - I want to give him more time, we said we would but the shape and organisation in that team is a shambles at the moment.
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So am I. If there was one thing I could change about the club right this second it would be to replace Lerner.
Lerner is the real problem but he isn't going to go right now , bringing in a new manager can save us.
Lambert should only stay if Lerner backs him financially , if not then he should sack him .
The only way lambert will keep us up is if he's given decent transfer money and that's not happening.
I'm sorry, but no one could come in (realistic for where we are now) and keep us up without backing. Injuries to the experienced players haven't helped his cause. Nor the fact that Lerner gives him next to nothing to spend on wages
As said before just because he is not backing lambert doesn't mean he would not back a new manager , if be has lost faith in lambert he is hardly likely to be giving him money.
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/8389682/Time-for-flexibility-
This says a lot to me.
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going down on all evidence thus far this season. Southampton had the three best players on the pitch - Schneiderlin, Lambert and Shaw. The rest of their players verged between average and hopeless but it was still enough to beat us.
Think Lambert has lost it too, four forwards on at the end. Bowery left wing. Wouldnt be surprised if he resigned in the next day or so.
Clark did ok, Delph actually was decent. The rest were hopeless including Guzan whose efforts with the ball at his feet were pitiful. Enda Stevens shouldnt play again in the EPL, that much is clear after today.
Funny, I thought Stevens played pretty well for the most part. I've been surprised by people's reactions to him.
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Here we go again sack the manager sack the manager sack the manager. I'ts no coincidence that the previous managers couldn't get it right either, how many managers do you want to sack before the penny drops that the manager may not be the problem. It's like this, the owner decides wages are far to high so decides to sell all our better players after all we have a great academy and the kids are going to be brilliant, we fill the side with reserve players then expect the manager to produce a quality team. Many of those kids are still in the team because the manager can't buy a whole team in six months. Do you seriously believe that Lambert can't see the problems? Lerner needs to back him or get out pure and simple.
This is pretty much it in a nutshell. It's just that Lambert isn't dealing with the situation as well as we'd hoped.
I'm with these two.
Me too.
Lerner and the Boy Wonder have quite clearly thought "hang on a mo, we've got a major wage bill problem, and everyone says we've got a great academy, so let's use those academy products, maybe buy other clubs' up and coming players, and hey presto, ace young team, AND on low wages".
It's a policy too idiotic for words.
Meanwhile, here we are with a team of kids getting crucified week in, week out, and everyone with half a brain can spot that with the addition of three players in particular areas, experienced players with a bit of nous, the side would improve massively.
If Lerner isn't prepared to fund that kind of improvement, then frankly, we are fucked.
It's really that simple
Nathan Baker - raw but very promising CB
Matt Lowton - very promising RB
Ashley Westwood - extremely promising CM
Barry Bannan - has shown what he can do
Benteke - super promising, but very raw
End Stevens - young LB just starting out in the English game
Ciaran Clark - one of the most promising kids we've had for ages
Joe Bennet - U21 international defender
In other words, lots of promising young players, but currently they're being asked - more or less - to play together at the same time, and they're getting absolutely crucified week in, week out, we're plummeting down the league, and we've also got the added bonus of their confidence getting permanently fucked.
It is an unbelievably fuckwitted policy from above, because not only will it get us relegated, we're damaging the very same young talent we acquired.
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We dont need a new manager we need some decent players, preferably ones that can help organise the team and fill the obvious weakneses.
Organise the team? Isn't that the manager's job?
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I have had me tea and two raspberry vodkas since getting back.
The family seem OK to approach me now although the cats are wary.
So I am trying to figure out what can be salvaged from today.
1/ We only lost by 1 (hahahahaaa - sorry had to be said)
2/ We repeatedly got into positive positions in the 2nd half but the final ball was always awry
3/ We had some shots
4/ Vlaar was on the bench and should start next week
5/ Delph didn't get booked and showed determination
A dedicated, skillful wide-player would have made a huge difference today - Weimann is not a winger but he tried and tried to put in the final ball.
Errrr... that's it
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I don't blamd Lambert for the position we're in. It's been building for years. We've sold our best players to our (then) competitors at the top and replaced them with substandard players or well over priced players. These are our so-called experienced players who are going to save us. We're stuck with them now so can't generate any funds. Learner is to blame for this decline and if he dos'nt provide money we will surely go down. :(
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Get a grip you bunch of tarts. Try looking at the game with a bit of objectively rather than an opportunity to air the usual rants.
Even in the first half where Southampton bullied and pushed us around and found space they barely threatened a goal. At half time we had 3 shots on target to their one. We contrived to be a goal down by virtue of hesitancy borne of low confidence and the kind of refereeing decision Halsey specialises in.
Second half we seemed to address the things that were going wrong. There was only one team in it for 45 minutes but again pressure led to players snatching at the kind of chances Southampton weren't close to creating.
It's a bery disappointing result, we are in a bad position. But it is not half as hopeless as some would make out. If we can build on the postive things we did today results will improve. If we can add a few players in crucial areas then better still. We have a big fight on our hands, but the position is far from hopeless.
The players need to get what happened over xmas out of their system. As at Swansea there are signs of it happening.
That's a very blinkered view of the match. We should have had a point but they had plenty of chances including hitting the post. And yes, we were at home. To Southampton. Do the maths, if you think we don't need points out of these games, you're going to get a huge surprise come May.
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I believe that Lambert will sleep on it overnight and if he knows already he's got very little money to play with and it appears reading between the lines that is the case he will tender his resignation.
Which doesnt help in any way at all because the incoming candidate will be in the same position and will find improving the team a thankless
task probably beyond him.
Whose fault? Lambert's if Faulkner told him exactly what he could have in terms of finance when he accepted the position
or Lerners if he changed the goalposts(as Doug would have) as the season progressed.
The only hope we have of escaping relegation is that Darren Bent is selected and goes on a scoring run which he is quite capable of doing.
No other hope at all.
Why would he resign and lose a pay off ? Maybe mutual consent could be trotted out though I guess.I
Since when has resigning meant you don't get compensation ?
for ever
Somebody had better tell MON then.
He didnt resign, he walked out and claimed unfair dismissal, completely different.
Anybody can resign and claim unfair dismissal,so you are wrong.
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I think Lambert got it horribly wrong in the Summer. I do not think we should sack him - there is hardly any impact managers available and it's too late for someone else to bring someone in.
We need 2 experienced players (ideally at the back and in midfield - Dunne could be one of them) and a bit of creativity in the final third.
Get Dunne and Vlaar fit. Get Warnock back onside and we're 3/4's of the way there.
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Get a grip you bunch of tarts. Try looking at the game with a bit of objectively rather than an opportunity to air the usual rants.
Even in the first half where Southampton bullied and pushed us around and found space they barely threatened a goal. At half time we had 3 shots on target to their one. We contrived to be a goal down by virtue of hesitancy borne of low confidence and the kind of refereeing decision Halsey specialises in.
Second half we seemed to address the things that were going wrong. There was only one team in it for 45 minutes but again pressure led to players snatching at the kind of chances Southampton weren't close to creating.
It's a bery disappointing result, we are in a bad position. But it is not half as hopeless as some would make out. If we can build on the postive things we did today results will improve. If we can add a few players in crucial areas then better still. We have a big fight on our hands, but the position is far from hopeless.
The players need to get what happened over xmas out of their system. As at Swansea there are signs of it happening.
That's a very blinkered view of the match. We should have had a point but they had plenty of chances including hitting the post. And yes, we were at home. To Southampton. Do the maths, if you think we don't need points out of these games, you're going to get a huge surprise come May.
I agree, afraid
Firstly, yes, the penalty decision was wrong, but it wouldn't have been a decision to make had any of our defenders taken one of the four or five chances to clear the ball out of the area rather than bumbling around like something from a Benny Hill sketch.
Secondly, the second half, only one team in it? Really? I thought the first ten minutes we were better, then we went to sleep until 5-10 mins before the end, when we finally started to show some urgency.
For too much of the match today, we showed no urgency in fighting to get the ball back. When we finally did, we created chances, but we left it way too late.
Either way, that's six points we've given Southampton this season, that's two home defeats against relegation strugglers in the last week or two, 4 goals conceded, none scored.
It's really not good enough. You can point at where we've been unlucky and created chances but not taken them, but we have 1 point from the last 15, a sequence of games which included Wigan and Southampton at home, and there hasn't been anything like enough shown to suggest we're going to be getting better any time soon.
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We've been shit ever since Lerner and Faulkner had to make a decision.
Lambert doesn't do himself any favours, but the constant issue is Lerner and nothing will ever change till he's gone.
How we get rid of him, God knows, owners don't grow on trees.
As for today, we went from a corner to some of the biggest school boy defending you will ever see. Yes it was a dive and yes, the cheat should be pulled asunder by wild horses, but we had three chances to clear it.
It wasn't actually as bad as it has been and Benteke missed two sitters, but I didn't think we were going to score and as it stands I am not convinced we will win another game all season.
Something has to change. We can talk about managers or systems till we're blue in the face, but these players are not good enough and some never will be.
The situation is not set in stone, we can change it. Three or four quality first team players are needed, along with Vlaar and Bent. However, I get the impression Lerner is sleepwalking into relegation.
I have zero belief that we can turn it around because I dont think we will invest.
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I think the experienced players thing is a bit of a red herring tbh, Vlaar certainly has to come back in next week at WBA but Dunne has not played since July so even if he is back at the end of the month his comical timing will be even worse so expect a few more penalties conceded and an own goal or two.
Hutton and Warnock? Remember both were fully fit and played all the games at the end of last season in youthful line ups, we won none of them.
Hutton is an incredibly poor footballer which people are forgetting as thankfully we haven't seen him for ages. Warnock is just as much a liability as Bennett is in defence but I do think as a niggly energetic presence he could be a solution in midfield.
Big concern for me is our experienced attacking players are fit and in 180 minutes we've scored 1 goal against Bradford and Southampton. That suggests to me whatever style of player we're attempting isn't working.
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I think the Left Back situation sums our club up in a nutshell. Piss poor planning and management over a number of years and today.
Lichaj - academy product nowhere near good enough for the premier league.
Stevens - signed by Lamberts predecessor from the Irish non league, nowhere near the standard required.
Bennett - a lambert signing for what £3 - 4 m ? Boro saw us coming, he looks woeful.
Warnock - car crash form so frozen out and sent on loan to Bolton who sent him back. Says it all.
What a shambles .
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Just home from yet another bad, bad game.
It is not at all complicated. Our players are not good enough and have not been good enough for two and a half seasons.
Last season we deluded ourselves into thinking that the players coming through our youth academy were very much better than they really are. That self deception and the comfort blanket of blaming McLeish for bad performances on the pitch week after week blinded us to the truth. We desperately wanted Clark and Baker and Lichaj and Bannan and Albrighton and Herd and Weimann to be premiership class and with the possible exception of Weimann they are not.
Add to that self deception the self deception that Bennett and Lowton and Woodward and Stephens and Bowery and Holman and KEA and Vlaar and Benteke are all potentially good premiership players and the scene is set for the massive implosion we have seen this season.
As far as Lambert is concerned we deluded ourselves into thinking that he could do for us what he did for Norwich but he has not shown any sign whatsoever of achieving that in the time he has been in charge. Our situation and the situation he faced at Norwich are very different. With them he had time in the lower echelon to bed in young, cheap players and jell them into a team unit. He had time. Here he has been expected to hit the ground running and has applied the same formula of buying cheap young players but both the ones he has bought and the ones we already had do not possess sufficient ability or confidence to hack it at the top level and it shows, week after week.
Lambert is drinking in the last chance saloon but so are Lerner and Faulkner. They have no choice but to tough it out. Lambert will seek to shore up his position with the owner by assuring him that he can do the business with the squad of poor players he has (ignore their age, they are adult professional footballers on good wages relative to their abilities). That will be music to Lerner's ears and Faulkner is only a Lerner yes-man so we will go into February with only the deckchairs on the Titanic rearranged.
That game and the Wigan game are the games which sealed our fate.
I shall continue to follow Villa wherever they are playing but it will be only from the habit of a lifetime not with any expectation WHATSOEVER of enjoyment or satisfaction. They have become a Ship of Fools.
Yep.
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I think the experienced players thing is a bit of a red herring tbh, Vlaar certainly has to come back in next week at WBA but Dunne has not played since July so even if he is back at the end of the month his comical timing will be even worse so expect a few more penalties conceded and an own goal or two.
Hutton and Warnock? Remember both were fully fit and played all the games at the end of last season in youthful line ups, we won none of them.
Hutton is an incredibly poor footballer which people are forgetting as thankfully we haven't seen him for ages. Warnock is just as much a liability as Bennett is in defence but I do think as a niggly energetic presence he could be a solution in midfield.
Big concern for me is our experienced attacking players are fit and in 180 minutes we've scored 1 goal against Bradford and Southampton. That suggests to me whatever style of player we're attempting isn't working.
We need good players who have enough experience to take charge and lead the midfield, our biggest problem is that we don't have anyone to take the responsibility to dictate the game and tempo. Delph and Westwood were (very) good today but they are not players like that, the problem is that Lambert is probably too stubborn and proud to admit his mistake not to buy player like that in summer.
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For me today was just a great example of football liking to kick you when you're down. Over the 90minutes we were the better side and created the better chances. The whole match hinged on 2 things:
They got a gift from a cretin of a referee who should be ashamed of himself when he watches the highlights.
We missed chances that a confident team would've taken.
we need some luck or a wonderstrike and, as others have said, a couple of new faces to give a bit of energy to the dressing room.
We're not a great side but we're definitely a better side than the run since Liverpool suggests.
Tactically our biggest flaw is we too easily get split in 2 into a 6-0-4. I donnt think the plan is to hit long balls at Benteke but the big open space in the middle pretty much forces it on us. This is why we need a big nasty bugger in there to bollock people and give the opposition something to worry about. Someone to lead by example and get us closing down much better.
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Get a grip you bunch of tarts. Try looking at the game with a bit of objectively rather than an opportunity to air the usual rants.
Even in the first half where Southampton bullied and pushed us around and found space they barely threatened a goal. At half time we had 3 shots on target to their one. We contrived to be a goal down by virtue of hesitancy borne of low confidence and the kind of refereeing decision Halsey specialises in.
Second half we seemed to address the things that were going wrong. There was only one team in it for 45 minutes but again pressure led to players snatching at the kind of chances Southampton weren't close to creating.
It's a bery disappointing result, we are in a bad position. But it is not half as hopeless as some would make out. If we can build on the postive things we did today results will improve. If we can add a few players in crucial areas then better still. We have a big fight on our hands, but the position is far from hopeless.
The players need to get what happened over xmas out of their system. As at Swansea there are signs of it happening.
That's a very blinkered view of the match. We should have had a point but they had plenty of chances including hitting the post. And yes, we were at home. To Southampton. Do the maths, if you think we don't need points out of these games, you're going to get a huge surprise come May.
May i say, watching the game in my local over here with 8 other Villa boys , all on holiday, that the penalty decision was a fucking disgrace. How many times do we have to see somebody tricking the ref/ linesmen into these bloody awful decisions ? Video Ref should be in charge of these decisions. And before you go " That would take ages and ruin the game," just have a look. Within 5 seconds the penalty incident was replayed on Al Jazz, fucking no penalty, it was a con. How many times do we have to put up with this shit before we give technology a fucking go ? This is starting to become a joke within every other sporting fraternity. I was talking to a Munster rugby fan after our game today and he said we were robbed, and that he is glad for the video ref inside rugby union because it leaves no doubt. Surely with the amount of cash involved in football today we could implement this technology into our game ? This penalty today could send us down for fuck sake. Would it take a long time for a video ref to make a decision, no. Would the game be better if these diving, cheating twats were yellow carded after the video ref had made his decision, yes, in my view. What the fuck do proffesional players spend most of their time doing on the training ground ? How to cheat, how to dive, how to con the ref ? For fuck sake, i am sick of it and you see it in every fucking game, it's bollocks and it is spoiling our game and is very quickly making me feel anti football and i am 42, Villa fan since i was 14 and a season ticket holder from the age of 24 to the age of 38, never missed a fucking game, home and away, had two years off and then went back again for two years until i moved over here. I am bloody boiling at the way the game of football has turned into a fucking laughing stock, controlled by the Devil that is Sky and all the over paid twats who now call themselves "Premier League Football Players." Fucking joke, and i am fucking pissed off, proper.
Video refs now please, now. Now lets argue about that then, cause i am right up for one!! >:( UT FUCKING V
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We dont need a new manager we need some decent players, preferably ones that can help organise the team and fill the obvious weakneses.
Organise the team? Isn't that the manager's job?
on the field of play you need leadership, we dont have any
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Get a grip you bunch of tarts. Try looking at the game with a bit of objectively rather than an opportunity to air the usual rants.
Even in the first half where Southampton bullied and pushed us around and found space they barely threatened a goal. At half time we had 3 shots on target to their one. We contrived to be a goal down by virtue of hesitancy borne of low confidence and the kind of refereeing decision Halsey specialises in.
Second half we seemed to address the things that were going wrong. There was only one team in it for 45 minutes but again pressure led to players snatching at the kind of chances Southampton weren't close to creating.
It's a bery disappointing result, we are in a bad position. But it is not half as hopeless as some would make out. If we can build on the postive things we did today results will improve. If we can add a few players in crucial areas then better still. We have a big fight on our hands, but the position is far from hopeless.
The players need to get what happened over xmas out of their system. As at Swansea there are signs of it happening.
That's a very blinkered view of the match. We should have had a point but they had plenty of chances including hitting the post. And yes, we were at home. To Southampton. Do the maths, if you think we don't need points out of these games, you're going to get a huge surprise come May.
May i say, watching the game in my local over here with 8 other Villa boys , all on holiday, that the penalty decision was a fucking disgrace. How many times do we have to see somebody tricking the ref/ linesmen into these bloody awful decisions ? Video Ref should be in charge of these decisions. And before you go " That would take ages and ruin the game," just have a look. Within 5 seconds the penalty incident was replayed on Al Jazz, fucking no penalty, it was a con. How many times do we have to put up with this shit before we give technology a fucking go ? This is starting to become a joke within every other sporting fraternity. I was talking to a Munster rugby fan after our game today and he said we were robbed, and that he is glad for the video ref inside rugby union because it leaves no doubt. Surely with the amount of cash involved in football today we could implement this technology into our game ? This penalty today could send us down for fuck sake. Would it take a long time for a video ref to make a decision, no. Would the game be better if these diving, cheating twats were yellow carded after the video ref had made his decision, yes, in my view. What the fuck do proffesional players spend most of their time doing on the training ground ? How to cheat, how to dive, how to con the ref ? For fuck sake, i am sick of it and you see it in every fucking game, it's bollocks and it is spoiling our game and is very quickly making me feel anti football and i am 42, Villa fan since i was 14 and a season ticket holder from the age of 24 to the age of 38, never missed a fucking game, home and away, had two years off and then went back again for two years until i moved over here. I am bloody boiling at the way the game of football has turned into a fucking laughing stock, controlled by the Devil that is Sky and all the over paid twats who now call themselves "Premier League Football Players." Fucking joke, and i am fucking pissed off, proper.
Video refs now please, now. Now lets argue about that then, cause i am right up for one!! >:( UT FUCKING V
Cheers
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I think the Left Back situation sums our club up in a nutshell. Piss poor planning and management over a number of years and today.
Lichaj - academy product nowhere near good enough for the premier league.
Stevens - signed by Lamberts predecessor from the Irish non league, nowhere near the standard required.
Bennett - a lambert signing for what £3 - 4 m ? Boro saw us coming, he looks woeful.
Warnock - car crash form so frozen out and sent on loan to Bolton who sent him back. Says it all.
What a shambles .
Has Stevens had enough of a chance? For me no I think with the right defenders alongside he might be good enough.
He was poor 1st half but a lot better in the 2nd 45. I thought he did really well against Utd as well.
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I believe that Lambert will sleep on it overnight and if he knows already he's got very little money to play with and it appears reading between the lines that is the case he will tender his resignation.
Which doesnt help in any way at all because the incoming candidate will be in the same position and will find improving the team a thankless
task probably beyond him.
Whose fault? Lambert's if Faulkner told him exactly what he could have in terms of finance when he accepted the position
or Lerners if he changed the goalposts(as Doug would have) as the season progressed.
The only hope we have of escaping relegation is that Darren Bent is selected and goes on a scoring run which he is quite capable of doing.
No other hope at all.
Why would he resign and lose a pay off ? Maybe mutual consent could be trotted out though I guess.I
Since when has resigning meant you don't get compensation ?
for ever
Somebody had better tell MON then.
He didnt resign, he walked out and claimed unfair dismissal, completely different.
Anybody can resign and claim unfair dismissal,so you are wrong.
I think you will find that you 'are wrong' as you cannot resign AND claim unfair dismissal as 'resign' and 'dismiss' are mutually exclusive terms. You may resign and claim constructive dismissal but that is a completely different thing.
You might try resigning from your mcjob and claiming unfair dismissal. I wish you luck.
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I've been sensing it for a while, and today just about confirmed to me we are in fact going down.
Nothing i've seen this season has made me think we have the players or manager to turn it around.
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"please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options."
"Did you read it back to yourself before posting?
It's a bit of a mess."
At first, i thought you were winding me up, hawkeye. But now I know i'm writing for the edification of the poet laureate, i'll consider myself on notice. Not that it bothers me, but is it a jealousy thing? Not to blow my own trumpet, but that's not a badly written piece. I'm not sure i'd have picked up half the commissions i have over the years if i couldn't write. If you or Bert could enlighten me as to how it could be improved, please do so.
Until then, i'll give my view like anyone else until the mods boot me off. You give your opinions, as do I. I just happen to post them in more than one place.
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Come on, back Randy and Lambert, call yourself real fans, you make me sick yadayadda...bullshit, bollocks.
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"please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options."
"Did you read it back to yourself before posting?
It's a bit of a mess."
At first, i thought you were winding me up, hawkeye. But now I know i'm writing for the edification of the poet laureate, i'll consider myself on notice. Not that it bothers me, but is it a jealousy thing? Not to blow my own trumpet, but that's not a badly written piece. I'm not sure i'd have picked up half the commissions i have over the years if i couldn't write. If you or Bert could enlighten me as to how it could be improved, please do so.
Until then, i'll give my view like anyone else until the mods boot me off. You give your opinions, as do I. I just happen to post them in more than one place.
Why ask for feedback and throw a hissy fit when you get it?
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Come on, back Randy and Lambert, call yourself real fans, you make me sick yadayadda...bullshit, bollocks.
I will back Lambert, but Lerner can go and do one as far as i am concerned, and Faulkner. Fucking waste of time.
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We dont need a new manager we need some decent players, preferably ones that can help organise the team and fill the obvious weakneses.
Organise the team? Isn't that the manager's job?
on the field of play you need leadership, we dont have any
correctamundo
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"please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options."
"Did you read it back to yourself before posting?
It's a bit of a mess."
At first, i thought you were winding me up, hawkeye. But now I know i'm writing for the edification of the poet laureate, i'll consider myself on notice. Not that it bothers me, but is it a jealousy thing? Not to blow my own trumpet, but that's not a badly written piece. I'm not sure i'd have picked up half the commissions i have over the years if i couldn't write. If you or Bert could enlighten me as to how it could be improved, please do so.
Until then, i'll give my view like anyone else until the mods boot me off. You give your opinions, as do I. I just happen to post them in more than one place.
Not that it bothers me, but is it a jealousy thing? Not to blow my own trumpet, but that's not a badly written piece. I'm not sure i'd have picked up half the commissions i have over the years if i couldn't write.
Having a touch of the John Lerwell's there me thinks.
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You will find over the next new days that 'supporters' will say that we have to stick with the plan and that Lerner is a genuine man who will see us through, the self same 'supporters' that go to Villa Park once in a solar eclipse, when it suits them. or they have a freebie.
We are Aston Villa, we are still a big club, we are still a big act, the retard who owns the club seems to have missed this fact and the 'Manager' who selects the team is totally out of his depth, but never forget the real culprit who dropped us in this mire - Blandy Lerner.
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Here's a link to my match report for today: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/aston-villa/fansverdict/12-01-2013/aston-villa-vs-southampton. As it seems to wind some up when I don't post the text here, i've done that as well, but if I can ask all of you a favour - can you click on the link and rate the players via the site (you can rate the manager and the ref too) as Sean and I are getting good numbers and people from here have played a part in that.
Needless to say, feedback is appreciated:
Aston Villa Match Report: Aston Villa 0 Southampton 1
I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the same old tired themes. I'm impatient of shambolic defending, hacked off with unstructured midfield, dissatisfied with overcomplicated attacks and spitting fire with incompetent officials.
I hate having my weekends ruined following a team with no desire, management with no tactical ability and an owner who must have a long-hidden vendetta against the club that's finally too overwhelming to rein in.
Needless to say, Aston Villa lost again, and it was down to a combination of slapstick and the kind of luck you get when the world isn't finished with the joke. The situation's not even worrying: let's just assume we're going down, and hold a wake for the rest of the season.
Today was the ideal opportunity to punt ourselves slightly ahead of the relegation pack and the pressure was too much. A great start went unrewarded and settled the game down in Southampton's favour, leaving them to exploit the space left by Villa's narrow midfield. Saints' full-backs were excellent and Jason Puncheon was a constant menace, but this is nothing new: it was the same when they thrashed us at St Mary's. Jay Rodriguez deserves a ban for his dive, which he won't get, but that'll be a footnote seven days from now.
Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.
The amount of corners we had that didn't beat the first man was horrific, and Southampton picked up where Bradford City left off in terms of luck: they waited for Villa to retreat into the dark cloud that envelops the club and earned a relatively easy win. The fact that they didn't have to work for their winner was a welcome bonus.
It was a better second-half performance but the same frailties are massively obvious: Villa are spirited yet limited. We're now back in the bottom three and 18 goals have been conceded in five league games. Somehow it feels like a script is being played out because all the elements are there: no confidence, no luck, little money for new players, no signings on the horizon, fans against the owner, people turning on the manager. This isn't Roy Of The Rovers, and in real life there are no eleventh hour heroes to come off the bench and save the day.
Mathematically, there's a way to go before Aston Villa are out of touch. But there are no signs our luck might be changing. The imminent returns of more experienced players might surprise us all, but currently we're sliding out of the league with a whimper.
Every corner Villa turn leads to a cul-de-sac, and if there were other options, the sack might be what Paul Lambert would get. But a key decision like that is no guarantee of a positive outcome, and results like today confirm when everything's against you, the only thing you get is nothing.
That's a decent summary albeit I'd have made more of Bentekes 2 glaring misses and I'd have mentioned the saints nr 4 who played well in central midfield
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Can't see how the criticism of CuriousOrange's match report is in any way warranted, doesn't seem a bad piece at all to me.
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"please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options."
"Did you read it back to yourself before posting?
It's a bit of a mess."
At first, i thought you were winding me up, hawkeye. But now I know i'm writing for the edification of the poet laureate, i'll consider myself on notice. Not that it bothers me, but is it a jealousy thing? Not to blow my own trumpet, but that's not a badly written piece. I'm not sure i'd have picked up half the commissions i have over the years if i couldn't write. If you or Bert could enlighten me as to how it could be improved, please do so.
Until then, i'll give my view like anyone else until the mods boot me off. You give your opinions, as do I. I just happen to post them in more than one place.
people actually pay you to write? i would be more inclined to pay you not too.
You have no Idea if I have been published so a bit rich to suggest I might be jealous.
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That Southampton player should be ashamed of himself! We're still pants though
To be fair, he looked as shocked as anyone when it was given. Halsey has been incompetent for years so no surprise (Remember the Arsenal free kick routine).
Thought we were better today but when you have players that aren't good enough and also lack confidence and decisions lack that go against you it's going to be very difficult to get anything.
This isn't about today though, it's about mis management over a long period of time. I feel sorry for the kids and have some sympathy for Lambert, this is Lerner's fuck up mostly.
I think we'll probably go down now. Depressed.
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We dont need a new manager we need some decent players, preferably ones that can help organise the team and fill the obvious weakneses.
Organise the team? Isn't that the manager's job?
on the field of play you need leadership, we dont have any
Agreed but you also need to be set up in a proper formation and be well-drilled.
In the first half, Holman was just wondering around like a stray dog looking for a meal.
I think some of the players' performances were halfway decent but in a detached way. The team lacked shape.
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I believe that Lambert will sleep on it overnight and if he knows already he's got very little money to play with and it appears reading between the lines that is the case he will tender his resignation.
Which doesnt help in any way at all because the incoming candidate will be in the same position and will find improving the team a thankless
task probably beyond him.
Whose fault? Lambert's if Faulkner told him exactly what he could have in terms of finance when he accepted the position
or Lerners if he changed the goalposts(as Doug would have) as the season progressed.
The only hope we have of escaping relegation is that Darren Bent is selected and goes on a scoring run which he is quite capable of doing.
No other hope at all.
Why would he resign and lose a pay off ? Maybe mutual consent could be trotted out though I guess.I
Since when has resigning meant you don't get compensation ?
for ever
Somebody had better tell MON then.
He didnt resign, he walked out and claimed unfair dismissal, completely different.
Anybody can resign and claim unfair dismissal,so you are wrong.
I think you will find that you 'are wrong' as you cannot resign AND claim unfair dismissal as 'resign' and 'dismiss' are mutually exclusive terms. You may resign and claim constructive dismissal but that is a completely different thing.
You might try resigning from your mcjob and claiming unfair dismissal. I wish you luck.
Cheers mal
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The reference above to Southampton hitting the post, in support of the view that Villa were not very unfortunate to lose this afternoon, fails to recognise that the incident where they hit the post in the second half was given as offside. Had it gone in instead of hitting the post it would have been disallowed - even by Halsey!
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'Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.'
This bit is so bad,I doubt you know what it means.
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You will find over the next new days that 'supporters' will say that we have to stick with the plan and that Lerner is a genuine man who will see us through, the self same 'supporters' that go to Villa Park once in a solar eclipse, when it suits them. or they have a freebie.
We are Aston Villa, we are still a big club, we are still a big act, the retard who owns the club seems to have missed this fact and the 'Manager' who selects the team is totally out of his depth, but never forget the real culprit who dropped us in this mire - Blandy Lerner.
Egg fucking zakerly.
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"please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options."
"Did you read it back to yourself before posting?
It's a bit of a mess."
At first, i thought you were winding me up, hawkeye. But now I know i'm writing for the edification of the poet laureate, i'll consider myself on notice. Not that it bothers me, but is it a jealousy thing? Not to blow my own trumpet, but that's not a badly written piece. I'm not sure i'd have picked up half the commissions i have over the years if i couldn't write. If you or Bert could enlighten me as to how it could be improved, please do so.
Until then, i'll give my view like anyone else until the mods boot me off. You give your opinions, as do I. I just happen to post them in more than one place.
people actually pay you to write? i would be more inclined to pay you not too.
You have no Idea if I have been published so a bit rich to suggest I might be jealous.
You might want to check your own spelling and grammar if you're going to criticise the writing of others.
You should really also consider the fact that you're coming across as a bit of a twat. Absolutely no need for your criticism.
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The reference above to Southampton hitting the post, in support of the view that Villa were not very unfortunate to lose this afternoon, fails to recognise that the incident where they hit the post in the second half was given as offside. Had it gone in instead of hitting the post it would have been disallowed - even by Halsey!
The player who went for the rebound was given offside, if the shot had gone it it would have been a goal as the player who shot wasnt offside, as soon as he moved towards the rebound the flag went up as he became active.
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What I fail to see is how supposedly this is none of Lambert's fault?
The shape and organisation of this team (which does contain some half-decent players by the way) was a shambles. They were all over the place for the umpteenth time this season.
But no, blame Lerner!
And I've been a supporter of Lambert. The wages reduction is a dangerous game but this team should still be doing better than it is and by some distance.
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"please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options."
"Did you read it back to yourself before posting?
It's a bit of a mess."
At first, i thought you were winding me up, hawkeye. But now I know i'm writing for the edification of the poet laureate, i'll consider myself on notice. Not that it bothers me, but is it a jealousy thing? Not to blow my own trumpet, but that's not a badly written piece. I'm not sure i'd have picked up half the commissions i have over the years if i couldn't write. If you or Bert could enlighten me as to how it could be improved, please do so.
Until then, i'll give my view like anyone else until the mods boot me off. You give your opinions, as do I. I just happen to post them in more than one place.
people actually pay you to write? i would be more inclined to pay you not too.
You have no Idea if I have been published so a bit rich to suggest I might be jealous.
You might want to check your own spelling and grammar if you're going to criticise the writing of others.
You should really also consider the fact that you're coming across as a bit of a twat. Absolutely no need for your criticism.
Which bit of feedback welcome don't YOU understand?
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'Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.'
This bit is so bad,I doubt you know what it means.
Hey its almost Shakesperean.
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The reference above to Southampton hitting the post, in support of the view that Villa were not very unfortunate to lose this afternoon, fails to recognise that the incident where they hit the post in the second half was given as offside. Had it gone in instead of hitting the post it would have been disallowed - even by Halsey!
Wasnt Lambert deemed offside after it hit the post as he was then interfering with play?
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"please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options."
"Did you read it back to yourself before posting?
It's a bit of a mess."
At first, i thought you were winding me up, hawkeye. But now I know i'm writing for the edification of the poet laureate, i'll consider myself on notice. Not that it bothers me, but is it a jealousy thing? Not to blow my own trumpet, but that's not a badly written piece. I'm not sure i'd have picked up half the commissions i have over the years if i couldn't write. If you or Bert could enlighten me as to how it could be improved, please do so.
Until then, i'll give my view like anyone else until the mods boot me off. You give your opinions, as do I. I just happen to post them in more than one place.
people actually pay you to write? i would be more inclined to pay you not too.
You have no Idea if I have been published so a bit rich to suggest I might be jealous.
You might want to check your own spelling and grammar if you're going to criticise the writing of others.
You should really also consider the fact that you're coming across as a bit of a twat. Absolutely no need for your criticism.
Which bit of feedback welcome don't YOU understand?
Maybe you should look at who you're replying to.
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"please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options."
"Did you read it back to yourself before posting?
It's a bit of a mess."
At first, i thought you were winding me up, hawkeye. But now I know i'm writing for the edification of the poet laureate, i'll consider myself on notice. Not that it bothers me, but is it a jealousy thing? Not to blow my own trumpet, but that's not a badly written piece. I'm not sure i'd have picked up half the commissions i have over the years if i couldn't write. If you or Bert could enlighten me as to how it could be improved, please do so.
Until then, i'll give my view like anyone else until the mods boot me off. You give your opinions, as do I. I just happen to post them in more than one place.
people actually pay you to write? i would be more inclined to pay you not too.
You have no Idea if I have been published so a bit rich to suggest I might be jealous.
You might want to check your own spelling and grammar if you're going to criticise the writing of others.
You should really also consider the fact that you're coming across as a bit of a twat. Absolutely no need for your criticism.
Which bit of feedback welcome don't YOU understand?
Maybe you should look at who you're replying to.
I was talking to you.
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Seeing that pen on slow mo it's a real shocker from Halsey. When I saw it in real time, from the Holte End corner of the Ellis Upper, I didn't see much to disagree with a penalty award.
Why is it if someone elbows, two foots someone etc.. and it's missed at the time they can get done for it later on video evidence yet a blatant dive it's not so? I would have thought a 3 game ban might focus the mind of these cheating shits.
No that it would help us much mind, we went one down and despite the huffing and puffing, the missing of sitters and Andy Wiemans rant like a mentalist at everyone show I honestly never believed we would score.
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We need some posts now from the utter morons that have told us 'that relegation is not the end of the world and wouldn't be so bad.'
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Anyone confirm the "ONE STAN PETROV" banner surfaced in the NSL today? Rumour has it the banner pixies stole it from Brigada HQ overnight ;D
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"please can some one tell me what is the point of this.If I want to read a badly written match report there are lots of other options."
"Did you read it back to yourself before posting?
It's a bit of a mess."
At first, i thought you were winding me up, hawkeye. But now I know i'm writing for the edification of the poet laureate, i'll consider myself on notice. Not that it bothers me, but is it a jealousy thing? Not to blow my own trumpet, but that's not a badly written piece. I'm not sure i'd have picked up half the commissions i have over the years if i couldn't write. If you or Bert could enlighten me as to how it could be improved, please do so.
Until then, i'll give my view like anyone else until the mods boot me off. You give your opinions, as do I. I just happen to post them in more than one place.
people actually pay you to write? i would be more inclined to pay you not too.
You have no Idea if I have been published so a bit rich to suggest I might be jealous.
You might want to check your own spelling and grammar if you're going to criticise the writing of others.
You should really also consider the fact that you're coming across as a bit of a twat. Absolutely no need for your criticism.
What the fuck has it got to do with you? And you are coming across as a total toss pot,
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Benteke has to take the blame today
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Any team that fails to score in 5 out of it's last 6 home games and two of them were below us ,is going nowhere but down.
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Anyone confirm the "ONE STAN PETROV" banner surfaced in the NSL today? Rumour has it the banner pixies stole it from Brigada HQ overnight ;D
Yeah it did 2nd half in the corner by the away fans
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Another defeat, another poor performance and another step toward division 2 and oblivion.
We had a few ok minutes but other than that we were poor, slightly better in the second half.
Our squad is to weak and too inexperienced, and our manager is looking more out of his depth every week.
We are starting to loose touch with some of the teams above us and our piss poor goal difference is starting to have its effect.
It was bloody cold down VP today and the cold winds of relegation were blowing around
The board and the manager need to have a chat and both need to be realistic in there aims and abilities, it's put up or fuck off time for Lerner and Lambert
Summed up and the best post of today, from a Tory as well!
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Anyone confirm the "ONE STAN PETROV" banner surfaced in the NSL today? Rumour has it the banner pixies stole it from Brigada HQ overnight ;D
Yeah it did 2nd half in the corner by the away fans
wasnt it during the 19th minute applause?
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The Stan Petrov glad was in full view at 19 min mark. Good work
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We need some posts now from the utter morons that have told us 'that relegation is not the end of the world and wouldn't be so bad.'
Not a ucking chance. UTV
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THIS FROM THE BBC FOOTBALL WEBSITE - Shameful to say the least!!
Rodriguez penalty stonewall says Saints' Rickie Lambert
Southampton match-winner Rickie Lambert believes their winning goal was "a stonewall penalty", as the Saints beat Aston Villa 1-0 on Saturday.
The away team won the penalty after Jay Rodriguez went down with what appeared to be minimal contact from Enda Stevens in the area.
Southampton leapfrog Villa and move two points clear of the relegation zone.
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he also ran to the holte to rub it in. typical scouser
there was singing in the trinity today as well!
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What an absolute tosspot Nigel Adkins is. In his MOTD interview he has stated that his team could have been out of sight in the first half!! How?? He also denied that Rodriguez dived saying that although there was no contact there would have been had the defender not moved his leg away thus trying to create some weird justification for the award and saying that because they hadn't been given 7 or 8 other penalty decisions in other games that somehow that makes this one ok. Totally let himself down in that interview for me.
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he also ran to the holte to rub it in. typical scouser
there was singing in the trinity today as well!
I know there was singing in the Trinity, I was sat there and there always is singing in the Trinity you cheeky bugger!!
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I just got back to Winchester. Rodriguez is a fucking cheat, Halsey is useless and we probably should have got something. However we're not good enough, and the mood around Villa park at the end just seemed resigned.
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Robbed.
he should have 10 game ban!
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heard adkins on the radio, said' if he had of left his foot there, he would have been kicked!' he didnt, he wasnt, he is a cheat!
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Their manager insists he didn't dive, even though he admits there was no contact. Shameless.
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On another, equally negative point, Villa Park is a fucking library these days, it's depressing. No-one sings, no-one cheers, when you do, people look at you as though you're some sort of loon.
I'm not trying to turn on our own fans but it's just so depressing. I'm sure it's part and parcel with the way the game's going and the football that we currently serve up but the away support put's our home support to absolute shame.
I just found myself thinking at the end of the 19th minute, why don't we all just stay standing and get behind the team rather than quietly sitting down on our hands again.
Should point out I'm in the Trinity but it should still have a bit of noise...
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Bless my Son, he still wants a Villa shirt for his Birthday, he wants BENT on the back (his favourite player) but knowing he won't be here that much longer, i've persuaded him to have his own name on it.
The little monster has no idea what sort of contract with the devil he's getting into.
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The fact that Rodriguez took a dive and halsey fell for it cannot be used to hide the fact that we are absolutely dire at the moment. Yes it doesn't exactly help but to be honest not a single outfield player can take any credit whatsoever today.
The defence, midfield and attack is just shockingly bad and even without the penalty I think we'd have still lost today, they seem to go out accepting that they'll get beat these days, and that's what fucks me off.
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His one saving grace may be that he's a Southampton player. Still doesn't absolve him from being a cheat.
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Their manager insists he didn't dive, even though he admits there was no contact. Shameless.
He has gone down massively in my estimation today. Wanker
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Bless my Son, he still wants a Villa shirt for his Birthday, he wants BENT on the back (his favourite player) but knowing he won't be here that much longer, i've persuaded him to have his own name on it.
The little monster has no idea what sort of contract with the devil he's getting into.
When I was younger and wanted my first Villa shirt, I was really into wrestling, and got 'CENA' on the back of my first Villa shirt.
Yup.
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Bless my Son, he still wants a Villa shirt for his Birthday, he wants BENT on the back (his favourite player) but knowing he won't be here that much longer, i've persuaded him to have his own name on it.
The little monster has no idea what sort of contract with the devil he's getting into.
A couple of times recently I've looked at my son (13) after a defeat and thought to myself what the f**k have i done to him
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Good:
- Guzan
- Lowton
- Clark
- Baker
- Stephens
- Bannan
- N'Zogbia
- Westwood
Average:
- Weimann
- Gabby
- Bowery
- Holman
Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
We weren't even that bad, we created plenty of chances but just couldn't take them. Our entire game plan is based around lumping it at Benteke, and that's fine when he's on form, but I'm starting to get worried about the amount of sitters he has missed recently, he had 3 or 4 great chances at Bradford and another 2 today.
Stevens was fucking diabolical defensively overall.
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My two boys are 7. Bigged up Ipswich as the new Barcelona before I took them to their first game. At the moment they are fans but they are going to find out the truth. And then support bloody Chelsea like their mates.
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We should have battered their right back, he looked shaky and brittle, they were utter gash particularly at the back. How we never scored or even really looked like scoring I'll never know, sign of relegation I fear
This is one of the reasons I love football. Two people can watch the same game and come away with opposite opinions, I thought Clyne was excellent. He was coping well and pace-wise very quick, to the point I would have abandoned attacking down our left (their right) and concentrated on looking foe a weakness in their left back.
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Good:
- Guzan
- Lowton
- Clark
- Baker
- Stephens
- Bannan
- N'Zogbia
- Westwood
Average:
- Weimann
- Gabby
- Bowery
- Holman
Poor:
- Benteke
- Delph
We weren't even that bad, we created plenty of chances but just couldn't take them. Our entire game plan is based around lumping it at Benteke, and that's fine when he's on form, but I'm starting to get worried about the amount of sitters he has missed recently, he had 3 or 4 great chances at Bradford and another 2 today.
Stevens was fucking diabolical defensively overall.
stevens is atrocious, granted he didnt touch the player for the pen but he was truly terrible for the whole game and every other appearance he has made for us!
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You might want to check your own spelling and grammar if you're going to criticise the writing of others.
You should really also consider the fact that you're coming across as a bit of a twat. Absolutely no need for your criticism.
What the fuck has it got to do with you? And you are coming across as a total toss pot,
You 2 wind it in now. Next example of abuse and insults like this gets banned.
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You might want to check your own spelling and grammar if you're going to criticise the writing of others.
You should really also consider the fact that you're coming across as a bit of a twat. Absolutely no need for your criticism.
What the fuck has it got to do with you? And you are coming across as a total toss pot,
You 2 wind it in now. Next example of abuse and insults like this gets banned.
dont ban hawkeye, who is going to make up new threads of ones we have going already?
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Divers should be executed.
I am thinking torn asunder by horses, pegged out in the desert or maybe flayed alive.
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If you think Stevens was bad today (and I think he was very poor) you should have seen him in the first half against Swindon. Nothing personal against the lad but I think he is just another sub standard player in a sub standard team.
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Robbed.
he should have 10 game ban!
This shite needs to be stamped out of our game. Deliberately coning the ref should be at least a yellow card. Fucking sick of this shite. Video refs now. Fucking pissed off and going to fucking bed. UTV. CHEATED TODAY, I HOPE THEY ARE FUCKING PROUD OF IT, THOSE SAINTS. Fuck'em. We are Villa, and we never go down, so fuck off you cheating bastards. I am drunk and megga pissed off now. Good Night All. UTV.
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If you think Stevens was bad today (and I think he was very poor) you should have seen him in the first half against Swindon. Nothing personal against the lad but I think he is just another sub standard player in a sub standard team.
Yep in fairness, only Delph was decent today and I've been highly critical of him. He played ok, the rest were horrible overall. We started ok then went backwards after 10 minutes until half time. Second half we had a good 10 minutes at the beginning and a good 5 at the end. 25 minutes of being decent is not good enough especially against Saints. I think we're done for.
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Lerner & Faulkner go do one. Our club is going down with you at the helm.
Thankfully we have our history but no sign whatsoever of a bright future. Unfortunately history counts for nothing when staring relegation in the face.
We don't deserve this shite but will rise up a week on Tuesday against the mighty Bradford! FFS we're shit!
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Bless my Son, he still wants a Villa shirt for his Birthday, he wants BENT on the back (his favourite player) but knowing he won't be here that much longer, i've persuaded him to have his own name on it.
The little monster has no idea what sort of contract with the devil he's getting into.
A couple of times recently I've looked at my son (13) after a defeat and thought to myself what the f**k have i done to him
You have both done the right thing. Well done for making them Villains.
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It's a shame we had a ref who was able to spot throw in's taken 2 yards from the wrong place but did'nt spot a player throw himself to the floor in the box. I also personally thought we deserved a goal in the second half but not much else. We look awful.
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I don't even know I managed to do that, it's almost as if Stephens has an invisible extension onto his foot.
Flawless dive. What a ******.
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We should hardly be surprised though, Halsey's been totally incompetent for years.
Can't believe he's hung on for as long as he has tbh.
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Bless my Son, he still wants a Villa shirt for his Birthday, he wants BENT on the back (his favourite player) but knowing he won't be here that much longer, i've persuaded him to have his own name on it.
The little monster has no idea what sort of contract with the devil he's getting into.
A couple of times recently I've looked at my son (13) after a defeat and thought to myself what the f**k have i done to him
You did the right thing. Anybody that supports Man U has the potential to be a spoilt bastard.
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I cannot see us winning another game as it stands.
Five wins and 33 points in the past 38 games. These past three seasons have been torture.
I wonder if the season tickets will be the same price? It will be a lot harder driving 200 mile round trips, paying £545.00 for Micky Mouse league football.
I am alao not looking forward to every away game being like Bradford with our young uns giving it the big one where ever we go.
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Their manager insists he didn't dive, even though he admits there was no contact. Shameless.
He has gone down massively in my estimation today. Wanker
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I don't think we shall have any young uns if we go down Ads. We will put out a team of Huttons Dunnes and Collinss and attempt to batter our way back.
They will stick with Lambert until we are only half way up the Championship then they will dump him and engage a thud and blunder specialist. The one thing you can bank on is that Villa executive decisions will always be the wrong ones.
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I never watch MoTD when we lose ( which means I never watch MoTD) however I do so tonight in the hope that the announcement is made that PL the wanker has handed his cards in.
In all my 45 years of supporting Villa I have never been so affected by a loss as I am this one tonight. I'm snapping at everyone, my bird made some funny remark about something completely unrelated earlier and I bit her head off.
Bradford lost at home to fuckin Oxford today for fucks sake.
We have no fight anywhere and we're going down without a whimper.
I am so fucked off I cannot tell you. Gutless, talentless wankers all the way through.
Fuck off Lambert you have failed miserably, everyone else can see our problems apart from you!
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Bless my Son, he still wants a Villa shirt for his Birthday, he wants BENT on the back (his favourite player) but knowing he won't be here that much longer, i've persuaded him to have his own name on it.
The little monster has no idea what sort of contract with the devil he's getting into.
I hope my son will when he is old enough to choose for himself. At this rate he will probably choose Exeter City, his birth place, over us.
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If I make a bad decision at work I'm disciplined. I could be sued. If we go down could we sue to FA?
Seriously, PL won't be sacked. What's the alternative? We'll survive, but by the skin of our teeth.
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I don't even know I managed to do that, it's almost as if Stephens has an invisible extension onto his foot.
Flawless dive. What a c***.
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I was sat in the North Stand so couldn't really tell at the time, but that is an absolute shocker. Saying that, the defending in the lead up to it was absolutely diabolical.
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If you don't want to relive the nightmare of that mad defensive shambles that led to the "penalty", please skip this post. I think I'm writing it as some kind of therapy.
I don't think I've ever seen such a comedy of errors from a top flight defence.
Delph, who is covering for Clark coming back from the corner, tries to clear, it cannons off Clark to Guzan, it comes out to Baker and Stevens, both of whom for reasons that are completely baffling, just stand still while the ball rolls past them then Stevens goes to challenge Rodriguez, makes no contact and Rodriguez dives.
Of course, it goes back to the corner before all this happens. If we were able to take corners properly and get the ball to one of our men from a corner more often, there would have been less likelihood of them breaking. But even when they did break, we had two full backs, a central defender and a covering midfielder who between them couldn't clear the ball, despite several opportunities to do so.
I would really like to know what they do at Bodymoor because this incident suggests that corners and defence don't seem to be very high on the agenda. If we can all see it, then why can't Lambert and his coaches?
We should have Ron back next week which will steady the ship to an extent and there are other positives for me; I thought Delph looked more like the player he should be and Bannan has gone some way to restoring my belief in him. But I don't think we will avoid relegation with the players we have and whilst we don't know what is happening behind closed transfer doors, Lambert's comments on this subject don't sound too promising although I appreciate the need to be very guarded about making comments on this subject. I hope to be pleasantly surprised over the next couple of weeks though.
UTV
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I don't think we shall have any young uns if we go down Ads. We will put out a team of Huttons Dunnes and Collinss and attempt to batter our way back.
They will stick with Lambert until we are only half way up the Championship then they will dump him and engage a thud and blunder specialist. The one thing you can bank on is that Villa executive decisions will always be the wrong ones.
Step forward Gary Megson
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It was an utter shambles defensively before the pen.
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Divers should be executed.
I am thinking torn asunder by horses, pegged out in the desert or maybe flayed alive.
Send them to the Siberian camps along with the 'talented' leeches who work in the upper echelons of the financial services industry.
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I think I'm beginning to accept that we are probably going down this year unless something changes very very quickly. The last two home games have been must-win, should-win, six pointers, and we haven't looked remotely like winning either of them. I'm reminded a bit of Newcastle the season they went down, should have been capable of better but somehow always managed to underwhelm, and just had relegation written all over them. I hated McLeish but at the very least he could occasionally make the team hard to beat. Lambert just looks lost at the moment.
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If Vlaar was fit enough for the bench, why couldn't he start? It's not as if the defence has been playing well. They've been fucking shite.
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Remember:
When I was young my father said, Son I have something to say. He said Son you are a Villa fan and that's the way to stay. Happy to be a Villa fan until your dying day!
...........Never lose the faith!
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Am off alcohol for the long dark month of January - I woke up with hangover like symptoms on Wednesday and dare say will do so tomorrow.
Thoroughly deflating
As others have said Centre Back, one or two midfielders and a left back - that will give us a chance
Otherwise we are doomed and we'll be paying Ireland, Given, CNZ lots of money to sit on the bench in the Chumpionship
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It was an utter shambles defensively before the pen.
It was an utter shambles all game, all over the pitch. I really don't think that the players know what they should be doing - it just seems such as mess. Why Lambert thinks that 4-2-4 is a suitable formation is beyond me. Why on earth bring Bannan on a put him on the left wing at a time when we couldn't string a couple of passes together.
I am so disappointed in Lambert. He seems out of his depth to me and it all looks so utterly clueless apart from the tactic of belting the ball up towards Benteke.
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Yes 4-2-4 doesn't work or supply chances.
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Bless my Son, he still wants a Villa shirt for his Birthday, he wants BENT on the back (his favourite player) but knowing he won't be here that much longer, i've persuaded him to have his own name on it.
The little monster has no idea what sort of contract with the devil he's getting into.
I hope my son will when he is old enough to choose for himself. At this rate he will probably choose Exeter City, his birth place, over us.
I am making zero attempt to interest my son or daughter in football or Villa. If I were not so emotionally attached to the club, which started from the age of about 7, I wouldn't bother with modern football at all because it's gone to shit and all but about 5 clubs in England and about 10 in Europe are just making up the numbers now.
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For a man whose family money has come from banking I find it mystifying that Randy Lerner cannot do the financial sums. Give or take we have 20 weeks to save ourselves. A million pounds a week would cost us less than we paid for Bent. Surely for a million quid a week we could get in ten out of contract players who are capable of keeping us up?
The key is that we only need them for half a season, just enough to survive and let the core team recover from the trauma of the first half of the season then start again next August. We don't need Givens and Heskeys on massive contracts, just a short term fix.
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Bless my Son, he still wants a Villa shirt for his Birthday, he wants BENT on the back (his favourite player) but knowing he won't be here that much longer, i've persuaded him to have his own name on it.
The little monster has no idea what sort of contract with the devil he's getting into.
I hope my son will when he is old enough to choose for himself. At this rate he will probably choose Exeter City, his birth place, over us.
I am making zero attempt to interest my son or daughter in football or Villa. If I were not so emotionally attached to the club, which started from the age of about 7, I wouldn't bother with modern football at all because it's gone to shit and all but about 5 clubs in England and about 10 in Europe are just making up the numbers now.
I've just tucked my son up into bed after telling him that me and his Uncle Des (Des Little) were worried about the Villa going down, his response was " am I the only one then who knows that we'll be alright Dad"? He's 9 yrs. we should stick him in charge instead of the tnuc Lambert who's doing all he can to make this a reality...
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For a man whose family money has come from banking I find it mystifying that Randy Lerner cannot do the financial sums. Give or take we have 20 weeks to save ourselves. A million pounds a week would cost us less than we paid for Bent. Surely for a million quid a week we could get in ten out of contract players who are capable of keeping us up?
The key is that we only need them for half a season, just enough to survive and let the core team recover from the trauma of the first half of the season then start again next August. We don't need Givens and Heskeys on massive contracts, just a short term fix.
Great post and my thoughts exactly. It's as simple as this...how much will relegation cost us? £50m? Although no guarantee, would £20m on 2/3 decent players help us avoid this? Maybe
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If Vlaar was fit enough for the bench, why couldn't he start? It's not as if the defence has been playing well. They've been fucking shite.
I thought Clark and Baker we good today, competent at the very least.
I can see why he didn't play Vlaar as well, he literally only resumed training yesterday and we'd risk injuring him again by rushing him back. Not to mention the fact that Southampton have pacey forwards who would've run rings around an unfit Vlaar.
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It was an utter shambles defensively before the pen.
Yep all at sea and the retard Delph balloons the ball off Clarks shins
Numpty
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Thought Halsey was dire, creating situations when there weren't any, nit-picking throw ins and the farce when the player went down etc
However...
....in his defence the penalty, he was directly behind the cheat when he flung himself and he would have thought there was contact.
Time to stop digging out the ref and focus on the cheat who has wronged us, the ref and the game in general.
As for the team performance....we are frighteningly weak, we don't defend as a team & look like there is no organisation.
Very worried about survival in this league and seriously doubting PL....biggest 20 days for our great club since Sky invented football coming up...this squad will take us down!
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No we don't defend as a team no organisation just seems to be alot of running around to close down which leaves gaps.
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Get a grip you bunch of tarts. Try looking at the game with a bit of objectively rather than an opportunity to air the usual rants.
Even in the first half where Southampton bullied and pushed us around and found space they barely threatened a goal. At half time we had 3 shots on target to their one. We contrived to be a goal down by virtue of hesitancy borne of low confidence and the kind of refereeing decision Halsey specialises in.
Second half we seemed to address the things that were going wrong. There was only one team in it for 45 minutes but again pressure led to players snatching at the kind of chances Southampton weren't close to creating.
It's a bery disappointing result, we are in a bad position. But it is not half as hopeless as some would make out. If we can build on the postive things we did today results will improve. If we can add a few players in crucial areas then better still. We have a big fight on our hands, but the position is far from hopeless.
The players need to get what happened over xmas out of their system. As at Swansea there are signs of it happening.
That's a very blinkered view of the match. We should have had a point but they had plenty of chances including hitting the post. And yes, we were at home. To Southampton. Do the maths, if you think we don't need points out of these games, you're going to get a huge surprise come May.
I don't see where I said that we don't need points from this or any other type of game.
Do the reading.
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On another note, good to meet Legion before the game today! Hope you managed to sell a few...
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The penalty wasn't one clearly but had it been Weimann who had been 'brought down' and Benteke subsequently put it away I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have been screaming for a ten game ban for the dive and would defo have taken the three points
That's football; we may not like diving but it is here to stay
We have a squad full of Championship standard players at best who seem to veer from one disaster to another with a manager who seems to offer nothing more than 'we go again' and a Chairman who wants Premier League football at Aldi prices
We appear doomed, have no fight, no backbone and no real style of football other than hoof it to Benteke.
I had resigned myself to a defeat before the game so I am relatively calm about it all but would think the next seven days, in terms of our transfer activity will not only define our season but possibly our next few seasons; over to you Randy and Lambo...
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If Vlaar was fit enough for the bench, why couldn't he start? It's not as if the defence has been playing well. They've been fucking shite.
My wife has just said exactly the same thing; a good call bearing in mind how crap the present back four are. What's happened to Lowton these last two games I really don't know.
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Yes 4-2-4 doesn't work or supply chances.
Like any walk of life, things are more effective when everyone knows their job & knows that everyone else is doing theirs. With the constant formation changes, selection changes added to the injury list, is it any wonder that these inexperienced players are running around like headless chickens.
Lambert started the season with the wrong formation / team selection against Everton & has continued to make fundamental errors since, particularly at home.
FFS pick a formation and stick to it.
With regard to Nigel Adkins comments about the penalty on MOTD, he should hang his head in shame.
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For a man whose family money has come from banking I find it mystifying that Randy Lerner cannot do the financial sums. Give or take we have 20 weeks to save ourselves. A million pounds a week would cost us less than we paid for Bent. Surely for a million quid a week we could get in ten out of contract players who are capable of keeping us up?
The key is that we only need them for half a season, just enough to survive and let the core team recover from the trauma of the first half of the season then start again next August. We don't need Givens and Heskeys on massive contracts, just a short term fix.
Yup I just said on the Lambert thread, Lerner appears to want to save 10m whilst risking a potential 100m + per year in future TV and PL revenue. It's difficult to understand the logic, and it seems this particular acorn fell a long long way from the tree when it comes to financial acumen.
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I've not read the whole of this thread so apologies if this has already been brought up but was Halsey meant to be our ref today? I've never come across a ref being asked to ref the same team two league games in a row.
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Disappointed. Everyone seems to have latched onto the Bannan as a scapegoat now. The people sat near me were enthusiastically demanding he be taken off set pieces and that at every dead ball - 'this'll come to nothing' - when in fact several times it led to good chances. When Bannan first broke through, he used to take some excellent set pieces, whipped in with real pace, I just think he needs to get back to doing that (much like Young did - but you're going to overhit a fair share that way).
Overall I don't think we deserved to lose. In the second half we were the better team. The problem though obviously is that this is Southampton at home. If we lose this, where do the points come from?
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I've not read the whole of this thread so apologies if this has already been brought up but was Halsey meant to be our ref today? I've never come across a ref being asked to ref the same team two leaague games in a row.
I think the ref should have been Chris Foy.
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Yes 4-2-4 doesn't work or supply chances.
4-2-4 was the formation I had on Fifa 96! Worked a treat for me. Mark Overmars on the right cutting in on his left foot!
You just have to laugh it's that bad!
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Yes 4-2-4 doesn't work or supply chances.
4-2-4 was the formation I had on Fifa 96! Worked a treat for me. Mark Overmars on the right cutting in on his left foot!
You just have to laugh it's that bad!
Chasing the game in a 'relegation 6 pointer' what else can you really do. If he brings on another midfielder he'd probably be slated for not going for it. Ireland isn't exactly the sort of player to be up for the battle when you're a goal down.
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Problem is we've tried 4-2-4 a few times, and it doesn't work.
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We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain. The funk so Villa, right about now
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We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain. The funk so Villa, right about now
Release that,I would buy it.
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Yes 4-2-4 doesn't work or supply chances.
Didn't play 424,played 4-2-3-1 in the first half,then in the 2nd became 424. First half a shambles,Stevens and Holman especially woeful,but above all a total lack of confidence,not helped by the ref,even Lowton and Westwood looked very poor.
2nd half better than Soton ,Westwood and Delph (MOTM) looked good in midfield but very much a team that reeks of relegation despite some neat work.
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I know it became 4-2-4 in the second half, but that's our shift when things go against us and it doesn't work.
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The problem is where you play Weimann who deserves a place in the team. Do you drop Benteke /Bent ? Weimann is not skilful enough to play wide. 2 strikers seems reasonable, 352, if we had 3 fit central defenders and eases the weakness of LB position.
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The problem is where you play Weimann who deserves a place in the team. Do you drop Benteke /Bent ? Weimann is not skilful enough to play wide. 2 strikers seems reasonable, 352, if we had 3 fit central defenders and eases the weakness of LB position.
We need to start playing Weimann central. He's our best finisher but very few of our chances fall to him given his wide starting position.
Playing him on the left today in the first half as the only extra cover for a non league standard left back was just crazy.
On that note Lambert also needs to bite the bullet and bring Warnock back.
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Just play 4 4 fucking 2
Lowton Vlaar Baker Warnock
N'Zogbia Westwood Ireland Agbonlahor
Weimann Benteke
Stop pissing about with shit formations, get the ball out wide and some crosses whipped in.
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Just play 4 4 fucking 2
Lowton Vlaar Baker Warnock
N'Zogbia Westwood Ireland Agbonlahor
Weimann Benteke
Stop pissing about with shit formations, get the ball out wide and some crosses whipped in.
Don't like the look of that midfield Riss. If we are going to revert to that formation then we are going to have to add a couple of good wingers to the January shopping list.
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Just play 4 4 fucking 2
Lowton Vlaar Baker Warnock
N'Zogbia Westwood Ireland Agbonlahor
Weimann Benteke
Stop pissing about with shit formations, get the ball out wide and some crosses whipped in.
That's more like it. And if Dunne ever gets fit again get him in the team. We need experience now more than ever.
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Just play 4 4 fucking 2
Lowton Vlaar Baker Warnock
N'Zogbia Westwood Ireland Agbonlahor
Weimann Benteke
Stop pissing about with shit formations, get the ball out wide and some crosses whipped in.
Don't like the look of that midfield Riss. If we are going to revert to that formation then we are going to have to add a couple of good wingers to the January shopping list.
I think it's the best option given what we have available.
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Westwood was incredibly disappointing today. Presence of a wet paper bag. Stevens shouldn't play at this level again. Thought Lowton was ok in the second half after a dire first half. Clark did ok I thought at least he tries to keep the ball, not physical enough but he made a lot of vital interceptions. Not sure what anyone sees in Baker. He is all last ditch tackles but lacks composure, positioning awareness and the slightest bit of ability with the ball. Vlaar needs to come back in there ASAP as we lacked any semblance of organisation at the back. Not sure what Lambert and the coaching staff work at on a daily basis, there is a complete lack of shape to the side. Benteke's lack of technical ability is starting to become obvious but in fairness he is getting himself into positions to score anyway.
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Just play 4 4 fucking 2
Lowton Vlaar Baker Warnock
N'Zogbia Westwood Ireland Agbonlahor
Weimann Benteke
Stop pissing about with shit formations, get the ball out wide and some crosses whipped in.
Not many successful sides play 4-4-2 these days. I think its outdated. The only way that could work IMHO is to replace Westwood with a proper solid holding midfielder and play a diamond.
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Can anyone explain why we dont play with any wingers/ wide men? I'm sure this is half the problem. Did Lambert do this at Norwich and if so, how is it supposed to work effectively?
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No Lambert didn't play with widemen at Norwich. He had Grant Holt up front, Benteke with a better first touch. Hoolahan behind him (has tried Ireland, Holman and Nzogbia here with no success). Pilkington as an inside forward, can't remember who played on the other side for them. 4231 really. He has tried this, 442 and a diamond midfield with little success. Think he has confused himself now with what he wants from his midfielders. He could do with a Bradley Johnson type of brute in there. Guess El Ahmadi was meant to be a regular in that position but he hasn't the physical presence for that kind of role.
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Am off alcohol for the long dark month of January
I was too until yesterday, I hate myself this morning.
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I've not read the whole of this thread so apologies if this has already been brought up but was Halsey meant to be our ref today? I've never come across a ref being asked to ref the same team two leaague games in a row.
I think the ref should have been Chris Foy.
Think we'd have been better off with Chris Hoy.
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Not as bad as we have been, nowhere near as good as we need to be.
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On another note, good to meet Legion before the game today! Hope you managed to sell a few...
Good to meet and chat with you aswell.
I did OK, thanks! The Boss was pleased. Ish.
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Watching the penalty live I thought it was a penalty. Watching the replay I could see it was cheating of the highest order.
The trouble is these things are done at speed and I didnt see Halseys position. But he gave it and thats that.
We have in 2013 the technology (I think) for the ref to carry a device that would enable him to get an instant reply of a contenious incident.
The ref would hold up, say a green card, to inform the players that he is going to do this and that the players must not come within 20 feet of him whilst he reviews said incident.
But it would seem the Refs do not want any technology interferring with their job. This is wrong.
Rodrigrez is now a marked man, like Bale is, in the refs little black book
He should have been sent off (not just booked) and banned for a month.
I dont believe anything will ever be done about blatant cheating .
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I feel sorry for him but Lambert just looks out of his depth. Okay he's not being backed sufficiently but he is manifestly failing, again and again, to raise the players; if anything, we're getting worse.
there is no excuse with the players HE bought and the players we had not to be Soton at home , Lambert is firmly to blame where we are even if RL has not backed him , mind he did have a few quid in the summer.
I said in the match thread being stubborn and not playing our goalscorer Bent to fit his formation when we could not score a goal a bloody goal has come to back to bite him , we might have had extra points at least .
delph worked hard to be fair but there was so much cack on that pitch yesterday again.
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Not sure what Lambert and the coaching staff work at on a daily basis
They could start by practising corners, free kicks and throw-ins
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Paul Lamber has stated on final score that we were excellent second half, Was this true as I wasen't there?
No , we piled it on at the end , did he mention soton hitting the post too.
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I would take soton's manager over PL at this rate
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Paul Lamber has stated on final score that we were excellent second half, Was this true as I wasen't there?
No , we piled it on at the end , did he mention soton hitting the post too.
I thought we deserved a goal in the second half but that's about it. A draw would have just about been fair. We did'nt deserve anything more than that.
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going down on all evidence thus far this season. Southampton had the three best players on the pitch - Schneiderlin, Lambert and Shaw. The rest of their players verged between average and hopeless but it was still enough to beat us.
Think Lambert has lost it too, four forwards on at the end. Bowery left wing. Wouldnt be surprised if he resigned in the next day or so.
Clark did ok, Delph actually was decent. The rest were hopeless including Guzan whose efforts with the ball at his feet were pitiful. Enda Stevens shouldnt play again in the EPL, that much is clear after today.
Funny, I thought Stevens played pretty well for the most part. I've been surprised by people's reactions to him.
he gave the ball away loads , didnt you see the final minutes trying to get the equaliser and twice he gave it back to them. He had one decent shot , soton just did lots of damage down that right side like most teams do.
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Not sure what Lambert and the coaching staff work at on a daily basis
They could start by practising corners, free kicks and throw-ins
Sad thing is they do, and there still useless at them
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one good point , thats the first Prem game we have lost since last year .
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Just play 4 4 fucking 2
Lowton Vlaar Baker Warnock
N'Zogbia Westwood Ireland Agbonlahor
Weimann Benteke
Stop pissing about with shit formations, get the ball out wide and some crosses whipped in.
That's more like it. And if Dunne ever gets fit again get him in the team. We need experience now more than ever.
If Bent was fit I would put him instead of Benteke. He needs going on the bench
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one good point , thats the first Prem game we have lost since last year .
and we restricted them to one goal, that's almost a clean sheet. The only way is up......
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Yes 4-2-4 doesn't work or supply chances.
Didn't play 424,played 4-2-3-1 in the first half,then in the 2nd became 424. First half a shambles.
Whatever formation we play we are far too open. The problem is that the full backs get no cover, countless times over recent matches we see the full backs exposed which drags a centre half over to cover them. On other occasions we see the full backs in the centre or being caught too far forward. Whatever team we play or formation we need to be set up correctly. Every point gained now is vital.
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Can Holman grow some bollocks please , that half hearted challenge from Villas corner before soton got the dodgy pen was pathetic.
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Delph improved 2nd half but I just can't forgive him for failing to clear the ball at the penalty incident. The ball was at his feet and he dithered. Unforgivable fuck-up.
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Just play 4 4 fucking 2
Lowton Vlaar Baker Warnock
N'Zogbia Westwood Ireland Agbonlahor
Weimann Benteke
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That's a good attacking formation and a good selection.
The only thing I would change is Ireland for an incoming 'Midfield General.'
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Watching the penalty live I thought it was a penalty. Watching the replay I could see it was cheating of the highest order.
The trouble is these things are done at speed and I didnt see Halseys position. But he gave it and thats that.
We have in 2013 the technology (I think) for the ref to carry a device that would enable him to get an instant reply of a contenious incident.
The ref would hold up, say a green card, to inform the players that he is going to do this and that the players must not come within 20 feet of him whilst he reviews said incident.
But it would seem the Refs do not want any technology interferring with their job. This is wrong.
Rodrigrez is now a marked man, like Bale is, in the refs little black book
He should have been sent off (not just booked) and banned for a month.
I dont believe anything will ever be done about blatant cheating .
If nothing is done about blatant cheating then are the fans who pay a lot of money to follow their team just paying to watch people throw themselves to the floor ? It has become a disgraceful part of the game and something needs to be done about it. The ref alone cannot have his eyes on everything and he should be backed up by some sort of technology. It was posted earlier that if it had been Benteke then we would have taken the win. It would have left a sour taste in most Villa fans mouths though, i am sure.
If we want to watch people throwing themselves to the floor and feigning injury then why don't we watch fucking wrestling ffs. Thousands of pounds a week in wages, to decieve a ref, the fans and the game of football, every game has one or more of these incidents and it should be stamped out. It is ruining our game and it is a disgrace.
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Delph improved 2nd half but I just can't forgive him for failing to clear the ball at the penalty incident. The ball was at his feet and he dithered. Unforgivable fuck-up.
Well quite right he did dither and provide a sjhocking attempted clearance however I also saw Stevens who was an offender at dithering in clearing the ball as Rodriguez came in and fell to ground.
http://www.footytube.com/video/aston-villa-v-southampton-151696?ref=wv_relbox
I think retrospective bans-a 1 match suspension- can come in for such incidents. I also thought he-stevens- must have touched him. When its clear dive like that players be brought to book. In that way at least blatant diving will be reduced.
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Diving, cheating, penalties are all part of the modern game. You get some for you, you get some against you.
Don't let yesterday's incident conveniently cover over the fact that we are shit and in the shit.
Don't let if deflect from the fact that we have put ourselves in this position, not dodgy refereeing decisions.
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Benteke has, in the last few games, done some horenous diving, we didn't get them, Soton did.
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Our defence was typically piss poor. As awful as the penalty decision was, if our backline are gonna run around like headless chickens, you're more prone to giving the ref the option to give a poor decision like that, or indeed give away a warranted pen. Everyone, to a man, for their goal, was poor. Spinning around dizzily like it was Lionel Messi weaving his way through the defence. Anytime you go to ground in the box you risk a decision like that. It was a dive, it was a poor decision but we put ourselves in that position and we didn't play well enough against Southampton to warrant anything less than what we got.
I really can't complain. It's just dire at the moment.
Even under McLeish we've never ever looked as disorganised as we have this season. I mean defensively we were great last season but largely it was down to our fullbacks and Collins persistently giving away set pieces and Pens in dangerous areas or just diving around like maniacs. It was more personel than organisation IMO.
We've got no leaders on the pitch and no leaders off it. Lambert can't organise. There's no coaches who can organise and right now we look by a long way the most poorly put together shambles of a side in the top flight. QPR are improving now under Redknapp. Southampton and Reading have championship sides and will struggle, but at least seem well drilled in what they're trying to do. Wigan look haphazard at the back as always and their system leaves them prone, but Martinez always seems to do the business in the final stretch.
We're in trouble. To be honest I think we're going down. I'd sack Lambert in and bring in someone more experienced in the interim to try and pull us away. If it doesn't work, it makes little difference. We can't get any worse. At least if someone can come in, bring in 1-2 players before the windows out, it'll give us a shot.
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Delph improved 2nd half but I just can't forgive him for failing to clear the ball at the penalty incident. The ball was at his feet and he dithered. Unforgivable fuck-up.
it did differ and the reflected shot was a little unlucky but Stephens touch was awful and to come from a Villa corner is shocking. How bad were our corners , I thought Nzog looked a threat when he had the ball outside the box but his corners were shocking.
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I would take soton's manager over PL at this rate
I was already thinking this before the game....
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I would take soton's manager over PL at this rate
I was already thinking this before the game....
I'd take any other Premier League manager, and most from the Championship too.
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What it boils down to is the grip the FA has on the game and which it will not see threatened. They oppose any form of technology which does not involve more referees because the referees represent the FA where it really matters, on the field of play. They see technology as a watering down of their authority.
It would be the easiest thing in the world to have the ultimate referee in the stand with a bank of monitors able to make a sound audible to the whole crowd indicating a second look at an important decision like a penalty or a sending off or a Suarez hand ball. It would only take seconds and it would cleanse the game of referee conning which is ruining the modern game.
In horse racing "winners" can be disqualified and prize money and trophies removed retrospectively. Photo finishes take a few seconds in all but a tiny minority of cases. Because of these things, horse racing which has the potential to be totally corrupt is kept clean. The Jockey Club (latterly the British Horseracing Authority) embraced technology. The Football Association resists it.
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And like I said nothing will ever change and if you all think about it whats the point of football if players are allowed to cheat?
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What it boils down to is the grip the FA has on the game and which it will not see threatened. They oppose any form of technology which does not involve more referees because the referees represent the FA where it really matters, on the field of play. They see technology as a watering down of their authority.
It would be the easiest thing in the world to have the ultimate referee in the stand with a bank of monitors able to make a sound audible to the whole crowd indicating a second look at an important decision like a penalty or a sending off or a Suarez hand ball. It would only take seconds and it would cleanse the game of referee conning which is ruining the modern game.
In horse racing "winners" can be disqualified and prize money and trophies removed retrospectively. Photo finishes take a few seconds in all but a tiny minority of cases. Because of these things, horse racing which has the potential to be totally corrupt is kept clean. The Jockey Club (latterly the British Horseracing Authority) embraced technology. The Football Association resists it.
The Football Association needs to take a good hard look at itself brian. People will get fed up eventually and not go to games. The F.A could take the lead in this and make themselves popular world wide, but i doubt they will.And how long will it be before a player is attacked by a fan for blatant cheating ? We don't need that happening.
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What it boils down to is the grip the FA has on the game and which it will not see threatened. They oppose any form of technology which does not involve more referees because the referees represent the FA where it really matters, on the field of play. They see technology as a watering down of their authority.
It would be the easiest thing in the world to have the ultimate referee in the stand with a bank of monitors able to make a sound audible to the whole crowd indicating a second look at an important decision like a penalty or a sending off or a Suarez hand ball. It would only take seconds and it would cleanse the game of referee conning which is ruining the modern game.
In horse racing "winners" can be disqualified and prize money and trophies removed retrospectively. Photo finishes take a few seconds in all but a tiny minority of cases. Because of these things, horse racing which has the potential to be totally corrupt is kept clean. The Jockey Club (latterly the British Horseracing Authority) embraced technology. The Football Association resists it.
The Football Association needs to take a good hard look at itself brian. People will get fed up eventually and not go to games. The F.A could take the lead in this and make themselves popular world wide, but i doubt they will.And how long will it be before a player is attacked by a fan for blatant cheating ? We don't need that happening.
Aren't the FA answerable to FIFA in such matters and we all know how resistant that bunch are to the introduction of goal line technology? (unless they get a generous donation to the Swiss bank account of their choice by a munufacturer of the technology in question ::))
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I don't know if they are. What has FIFA got to do with any decision the FA would make to stop cheating ?
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Halsey is a shit ref but you can see why he gave it. Stephens lunged at him which made up Halsey's mind for him once the guy went down. Never should have been given but you don't do that sort of attempted tackle in the penalty area. Basic stuff.
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Halsey is a shit ref but you can see why he gave it. Stephens lunged at him which made up Halsey's mind for him once the guy went down. Never should have been given but you don't do that sort of attempted tackle in the penalty area. Basic stuff.
Agreed, it looked like a pen at first glance, only on replay could I see no contact but it was shocking defending in the build up culminating in Stevens sloppy challenge.
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From where I was sat it looked a stone wall pen And nobody around me complained either
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Not sure what Lambert and the coaching staff work at on a daily basis
They could start by practising corners, free kicks and throw-ins
They really need to go back to basics. If things at work are tough for me, that's what I do - enough of the basics to first stop the rot, and secondly to start building things up again. The really scary thing is that we don't appear to have any purpose in any part of the pitch. At one point yesterday we didn't seem to have anybody in midfield, Benteke, Gabby and Weimann were in a huddle and Bannan was about 40yards from anybody else out on the left wing. It was unbelievable to see such a shambolic set up and it suggests to me that the players don't know what they should be doing.
Vincent Lombardi was a famous American Football coach and after a bad result would always return to the basics - his coaching session would normally start off with him holding up a ball and saying "this is a football". Lambert and team should go back to absolute basics, keep everything simple and to give each player a handful of things to work on. We have a real issue with the simplest of things and if we can't sort them out things will get worse.
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Halsey is a shit ref but you can see why he gave it. Stephens lunged at him which made up Halsey's mind for him once the guy went down. Never should have been given but you don't do that sort of attempted tackle in the penalty area. Basic stuff.
Agreed, it looked like a pen at first glance, only on replay could I see no contact but it was shocking defending in the build up culminating in Stevens sloppy challenge.
It must have looked a stone wall penalty in real time, and unless the ref was next to the ball would it have appeared any other way.
Anyone see Ricky Lambert on MOTD, he agrred there was no contact but gave some awful justification for the kick on intent
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And like I said nothing will ever change and if you all think about it whats the point of football if players are allowed to cheat?
It needs to go to a panel on Monday morning , If a player is found to have dived , fine the player £100k , the club £100k and a three match ban , You will never see another player dive again.
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Stone wall penalty? It looked more a creosoted fence penalty to me, initially.
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Halsey would have had a very good view of it. He is an awful referee and he has consistently given the opposition decisions against us throughout his career.
Why he and Dowd are allowed to referee our games, I don't know.
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Diving, cheating, penalties are all part of the modern game. You get some for you, you get some against you.
Don't let yesterday's incident conveniently cover over the fact that we are shit and in the shit.
Don't let if deflect from the fact that we have put ourselves in this position, not dodgy refereeing decisions.
You're quite right that it does even out and doesn't detract from our shitness but I totally share Dan's disbelief that no-one has bothered to introduce retrospective bans for divers.
And I absolutely loathe it when I'm told "It's part of the game".
It's called cheating, look it up.
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This is a brilliant article that sums everything up. Please take the time to read it.
http://howtosolveaproblemlikeastonvilla.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/how-to-solve-problem-like-aston-villa_13.html
You can contact the author on twitter @Alex_Berwick
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This is a brilliant article that sums everything up. Please take the time to read it.
http://howtosolveaproblemlikeastonvilla.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/how-to-solve-problem-like-aston-villa_13.html
You can contact the author on twitter @Alex_Berwick
Good read that.
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We sit in the Holte Lower, right behind the goal just above goal post level. We were all totally silent after the award of the penalty because we were absolutely dumbfounded as to what it had been given for. Our silence was not an indication that we thought it was a fair decision. Halsey's first gesture was with the flat of his hand towards the edge of the box. I though it was a card for diving. I think the pin-balling of the ball from one miskick to another completely mesmerized Halsey. I don't think he knew what he had given at first then decided once he had made his mind up.
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Anyone know where I can get 40,000 $ signs before next Tuesday?
Great idea.
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If Halsey had made the same decision at old trafford against a man u player he would be officiating in the festival league next week.
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We dont want him in the Festival league...thank you very much!!!
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This is a brilliant article that sums everything up. Please take the time to read it.
http://howtosolveaproblemlikeastonvilla.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/how-to-solve-problem-like-aston-villa_13.html
You can contact the author on twitter @Alex_Berwick
Good read that.
Excellent stuff IMO.
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Regarding the wonderful Mr Halsey, I dont know why we were all so wound up about it, its not the first time he`s fucked us over, and it sure as hell wont be the last.
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Regarding the wonderful Mr Halsey, I dont know why we were all so wound up about it, its not the first time he`s fucked us over, and it sure as hell wont be the last.
I blame to player more than the ref.
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I hate the Mail, but fair play for this line: "Mail on Sunday: In the week Lionel Messi's brilliance won him another Ballon D'Or, Aston Villa furthered their claims to the Barn Door, such is their current inability to hit one."
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Regarding the wonderful Mr Halsey, I dont know why we were all so wound up about it, its not the first time he`s fucked us over, and it sure as hell wont be the last.
I blame to player more than the ref.
We had three or four chances to stick the ball out of the ground and into the grounds of Aston Hall before he gave that penalty, and took none of them.
He's a shit ref, but the defending prior to it was absolutely comical.
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I hate the Mail, but fair play for this line: "Mail on Sunday: In the week Lionel Messi's brilliance won him another Ballon
D'Or, Aston Villa furthered their claims to the Barn Door, such is their current inability to hit one."
That made me laugh even tho I Know it shouldn't.
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Regarding the wonderful Mr Halsey, I dont know why we were all so wound up about it, its not the first time he`s fucked us over, and it sure as hell wont be the last.
I blame to player more than the ref.
We had three or four chances to stick the ball out of the ground and into the grounds of Aston Hall before he gave that penalty, and took none of them.
He's a shit ref, but the defending prior to it was absolutely comical.
Yep and Steven's initial touch that led to the pen being a possibility was criminal. He showed yesterday that he is a very very poor player. In fact both our left backs have shown this week that they're not up to it.
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The pen was Delph's fault for looking up and twatting it, full belt into Stevens 2 yards away. Of all the places, having looked.
But Halsey is a twat, and fucking well hates the Villa. He has for years, and years and years. 3 minutes in I said to my wife we will lose by a dodgy pen as it is Halsey, could only be worse if it was Dowd.
Overall I was heartened by them showing fight as I have said, and though Delph did well next to Westwood, and Bannan did well further forward and made things happen for us. That should be the way we go, because the rest can't create at all.
I also agree with Percy re playing a front 3 of Benteke Bent and Weimann is the way forward. Benteke and Weimann wide of Bent.
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The pen was Delph's fault for looking up and twatting it, full belt into Stevens 2 yards away. Of all the places, having looked.
But Halsey is a twat, and fucking well hates the Villa. He has for years, and years and years. 3 minutes in I said to my wife we will lose by a dodgy pen as it is Halsey, could only be worse if it was Dowd.
Overall I was heartened by them showing fight as I have said, and though Delph did well next to Westwood, and Bannan did well further forward and made things happen for us. That should be the way we go, because the rest can't create at all.
I also agree with Percy re playing a front 3 of Benteke Bent and Weimann is the way forward. Benteke and Weimann wide of Bent.
Benteke wide? Urgh no thanks.
Gabby would be better wide.
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'Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.'
This bit is so bad,I doubt you know what it means.
I don't know what to tell you Bert, other than my pieces are edited before they get posted by a paid editor. If they saw nothing amiss then I tend to go with them. I can see what you mean but it says exactly what I meant at the time so I stick by it.
As for Hawkeye's comments, I'll just have to live with the fact he doesn't rate me. Sob.
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It's worth a thought. Benteke is a good forager, but streaky in front of goal. If we are going to play the ball up to him from distance he would either be competing against a full back or drawing a centre half away from the middle.
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'Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.'
This bit is so bad,I doubt you know what it means.
I don't know what to tell you Bert, other than my pieces are edited before they get posted by a paid editor. If they saw nothing amiss then I tend to go with them. I can see what you mean but it says exactly what I meant at the time so I stick by it.
As for Hawkeye's comments, I'll just have to live with the fact he doesn't rate me. Sob.
Curiousorange, I read your report last night and thought it was a good read. I wasn't at the game so can't really comment on how accurate a report it was but it came across as thoughtful and intelligent. Definitely not badly written in the eyes of this amateur.
One point re the penalty from me - I don't blame Halsey at all, I blame the player. When I saw him saying "I didn't dive" on MOTD last night I took that as a sign of him not wanting to get booked for diving, not as an appeal for a penalty. He definitely dived though.
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'Villa did play energetically and saw a late flurry create a header for Nathan Baker that hit the bar, but for the majority of the game it was piecemeal and frustrating. In flashes there were pelting runs that excited the crowd but no end product.'
This bit is so bad,I doubt you know what it means.
I don't know what to tell you Bert, other than my pieces are edited before they get posted by a paid editor. If they saw nothing amiss then I tend to go with them. I can see what you mean but it says exactly what I meant at the time so I stick by it.
As for Hawkeye's comments, I'll just have to live with the fact he doesn't rate me. Sob.
Curiousorange, I read your report last night and thought it was a good read. I wasn't at the game so can't really comment on how accurate a report it was but it came across as thoughtful and intelligent. Definitely not badly written in the eyes of this amateur.
One point re the penalty from me - I don't blame Halsey at all, I blame the player. When I saw him saying "I didn't dive" on MOTD last night I took that as a sign of him not wanting to get booked for diving, not as an appeal for a penalty. He definitely dived though.
Thank you for your feedback Pat - I don't mind criticism in the slightest and at least Bert has given me a head's up as to where I might have gone wrong. I don't think Hawkeye's ever going to come round lol!
I didn't see the incident live but as I understand it, many who did thought it was too until they saw the replay. But until football accepts that the referee/linesman combination is letting too many mistakes slip by unpunished, it's the officials' responsibility to see everything and the refereeing team yesterday proved themselves to be inadequate at doing that.
I'm very scathing about Nigel Adkins and Rickie Lambert giving justification for the penalty award too - they apparently surmise that if the intent is there, then it should be a penalty anyway because it would have been awarded if there was contact. But then that assumes the ref wouldn't have waved it away, for example. There are countless examples in a season of definite penalties being dismissed. So their argument is wrong - it's not a penalty because there was never foul play to justify it in the first place.
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Personally, I would appreciate it if you could continue to post the text along with the link.
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At the time I thought it was a pen so can understand how the ref got conned. How quickly did the ref blow? The loose ball was wacked over the bar, would he have given the goal if it had gone in?
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From L2 on the lower Holte it was obvious Stevens was nowhere near him. It looked as if he had tripped over the ball or his own feet.
Maybe the ref should have award us a goal when Baker hit the bar, after all his intention was to score.
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Personally, I would appreciate it if you could continue to post the text along with the link.
No worries.
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And like I said nothing will ever change and if you all think about it whats the point of football if players are allowed to cheat?
It needs to go to a panel on Monday morning , If a player is found to have dived , fine the player £100k , the club £100k and a three match ban , You will never see another player dive again.
I've said it before, the 4th official is a blatant waste of time and energy. Why can't he be used, or replaced with someone, in a similar capacity to the citing official now used in Rugbt Union. They look for serious rule breakers and it would stamp most of this crap out.
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Delph improved 2nd half but I just can't forgive him for failing to clear the ball at the penalty incident. The ball was at his feet and he dithered. Unforgivable fuck-up.
Well quite right he did dither and provide a sjhocking attempted clearance however I also saw Stevens who was an offender at dithering in clearing the ball as Rodriguez came in and fell to ground.
http://www.footytube.com/video/aston-villa-v-southampton-151696?ref=wv_relbox
I think retrospective bans-a 1 match suspension- can come in for such incidents. I also thought he-stevens- must have touched him. When its clear dive like that players be brought to book. In that way at least blatant diving will be reduced.
I quite understand people going on about it not being a penalty (as it clearly was not) but what about the offside when the ball was initially played through. From the clip on the above link you can stop the play just as the ball is played and the player is half a yard offside. Also, you will do well to see Halsey in any of the clip as he was so far behind the play.
For a penalty to be given, the referee has to be certain that he has seen conatct made. From his position, Halsey could not have been certain because he was straight on to the incident. From his position, the outstretched leg could have caught him or it could have been a foot away from the Southampton players leg. As can be seen, it was clearly closer to the latter. The best person to give a penalty or not, would have been the linesman as he was side on but, there again, he missed the offside.
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The objection to using technology in football is that it 'stops the game'.
For penalties, this doesn't apply -there is always at least a minute between the award and the kick being taken(players arguing, like yesterday, getting the players outside the box and so on.
Therefore, using this minute to ask someone in the stand whether the penalty is legit wastes no time whatsoever!
It also means that the fans know that fair pens will be given and that diving, cheating bastards can be penalised.
So, no time lost and the correct decision made/verified.
Problem solved?
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You talk far too much sense.
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There is no need for the game to be slowed down by technology. There would simply be a device, a light or whatever which indicates a second look at a decision just like they announce a Stewards Inquiry in horse racing. The light comes on the play continues and if or until the decision is reversed. A incident like the Suarez handball would trigger an inquiry of a few seconds while play continued and the goal would have been wiped off. If the goal stood the game would have continues as normal.
I like the idea of the fourth official being replaced by a citing official. That would clean up the game for sure. Much too imaginative and progressive for the FA of course so it will never happen.