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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: Richie on November 01, 2012, 06:19:34 PM
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Footage of both the first leg draw at Old Trafford and the famous second leg win (second leg in colour).
Unfortunately before my time of going to the Villa, although my Dad went to both games and has told me about how fantastic that second leg was, with Villa Park rocking.
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I was at both matches with my old dad. I well remember being on the Holte in a 62k crowd. My old man was only a little fella and I remember having my hand on his collar all through the game so he didn't go under when the crowd surged. I also remember that when we got the second goal I went up and my trousers went down and God knows where the old man went! A truly joyous occasion I was so proud of them.
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So... your trousers went down and you don't know where your old man went!?
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The old man ended up about ten yards below me which I still find amazing as you couldn't move. I told him afterwards that the crowd must have thought he was one of the kids and they passed him back over their heads. I told you he was small. As for my kecks, I was a real lard arse back then and I could never get trousers to fit me properly. What is clear though is that nobody gave a toss they were too delerious to notice. Either that or they thought I was an opportunist offering my arse!
I also got nostalgic hearing Ken Wolstonhome describing a cross as a "centre" something you never hear nowadays.
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Whoosh!
Never mind. I love watching stuff like this. Before my time and it means so much to me.
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But not before mine! I was at both legs. As quite a few of us have said in the past the two greatest matchs Villa have appeared in the last 50yrs.
And yes that includes Rotterdam!
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To continue with this I definitely remember George Best saying in the press after the first leg "not to worry, we can send our reserves down there and still win". Wrong wasn't he?
It's forty-two years ago now but that Villa team looked more like a team challenging the top of the first division rather than the third.
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To continue with this I definitely remember George Best saying in the press after the first leg "not to worry, we can send our reserves down there and still win". Wrong wasn't he?
It's forty-two years ago now but that Villa team looked more like a team challenging the top of the first division rather than the third.
It's hard to believe that we were in the third tier looking at that YT video.
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Whoosh!
Never mind. I love watching stuff like this. Before my time and it means so much to me.
Very good Legion, thanks for posting I have never seen those clips and it was before my time too... great to see though
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Richie posted it.
Definitely.
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I just remember Paddy Crerand saying after the first leg up there "That Mcmahon's one paced....bloody fast"
Never seen the footage of the first leg before . Fred Turnbull makes a tremendous block to keep us in the game and everybody hit their form
Best Law Charlton Crerand Kidd we played you off the pitch.
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Went to both games.
We played better in the Old Trafford game, but for sheer excitement and joy the VP leg beats everything for me. Even better than Rotterdam.
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And for my 500th post
Andy Andy Lochhead Andy Lochhead in the air. Weve got Andy Andy Lochhead in the air in the air etc etc
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This just serves to remind me of the reason why I love this enigma that is Aston Villa so much. Melodramatic some may say but that's how I feel.
Ron Manager will support me when I say that we'd witnessed some real shit prior to this and reaching the league cup final back then was the real renaissance culminating in Rotterdam and subsequently our position as a leading member of what passes for top flight football league despite our current lowly position.
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Not melodramatic at all.
I refer the honourable gentleman to my sig...
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This just serves to remind me of the reason why I love this enigma that is Aston Villa so much. Melodramatic some may say but that's how I feel.
Ron Manager will support me when I say that we'd witnessed some real shit prior to this and reaching the league cup final back then was the real renaissance culminating in Rotterdam and subsequently our position as a leading member of what passes for top flight football league despite our current lowly position.
Indeed. From about 1963 -1968 we were desperate for long periods .Then Doug appeared the clouds lifted and we could see the promised land.
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I went to both legs both fantastic nights didnt the stretford end empty well before the end of the game and they were all down the road waiting for us
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This just serves to remind me of the reason why I love this enigma that is Aston Villa so much. Melodramatic some may say but that's how I feel.
Ron Manager will support me when I say that we'd witnessed some real shit prior to this and reaching the league cup final back then was the real renaissance culminating in Rotterdam and subsequently our position as a leading member of what passes for top flight football league despite our current lowly position.
It was two years since the revolution. We had the Doc whirlwind, the crowds had picked up and the we all knew the Villa had woken. There had already been some big days and nights, notably the Southampton Cup game at VP in 1969. But even though we all knew the club was moving forward, there had been that nagging doubt as we had dropped down to Division 3. Beating Manchester United that night made us believe all the more that special things were really starting to happen.
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Agreed Andy the whole Doc thing was uplifting and frenetic but all went tits up. The final was as you say was the time it went from hope to belief. There was never any doubt in my mind from then on that Villa were only going to add to our already illustrious history, and so it proved.
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Bloody hell. I was at the home leg, aged 11, sitting with me dad and my sisters in the Trinity Road stand, and that night remains the most indelible memory of all my years following the Villa. How you found the footage I don't know, but a thousand thanks for posting it up here.
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It's remarkable to think Villa were a 3rd Division side at the time, taking on a Manchester United team that had won the European Cup only three years previously. There was nothing lucky about either result. We beat them fair and square over two legs.
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Dad tried to get tickets for the home leg and queued outside VP but no luck. I was only a nipper so probably wouldnt have appreciated it anyway but would have been nice to say I as there. My equivalent would probably be the 5-1 v Liverpool.
Does anybody know the Villa teams for those games?
Like the bit where Chico left Best for dead in the first game.
How good a target man was Andy Lochead.
Did Bobby Charlton miss the first game?
Brian Kidd looked a good player.
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Brilliant footage and thanks for posting the link.
I was there and it was as good a Christmas present as an 8 year old could ask for. Some of my mates reckoed they saw me on the Holte when Lochead scored the first, and watching it a few days later I convinced myself I could too. Yeah right.
Why was the first leg in black and white - were ITV hard up?
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Brilliant!. Got goose pimples just watching that. I was in the Holte that night and had only just started being allowed to go to night games with mates. Fantastic memories. Thanks for posting.
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I was too young to attend any of the games in that league cup run.
When I listen to people regale stories of matches that are 'before my time' I think these two semi finals and the actual final are the three games that, if I could be transported back to as a 20 year old, these would be the matches I choose
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Is it just me being fanciful, or can anyone else see just in the corner of the Witton End when Andy Lochhead gets his second goal of the tie, a sign saying 'ROTTERDAM -THIS WAY --->' ?
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Dave, this poster is most upset you got the name of the second goal scorer wrong.
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Pat I think Dave meant Andys second goal over the two legs. Watching it for the seventh time today wasnt Brian Kidds goal in the VP leg bloody superb.
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Pat I think Dave meant Andys second goal over the two legs. Watching it for the seventh time today wasnt Brian Kidds goal in the VP leg bloody superb.
No, I altered my original post in a spirit of wanton tomfoolery.
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Why was Andy Lochead's header in the first leg disallowed?
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Jimmy Rimmer faked it
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Pat I think Dave meant Andys second goal over the two legs. Watching it for the seventh time today wasnt Brian Kidds goal in the VP leg bloody superb.
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In which case it is a different error - Andy Lochead's goal was at the Holte !
I really hadn't seen how good Brian Kidd's goal was either. I just remember his goal and the tears of fear welling up in my eyes as it was pretty early, maybe 14 mins?
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Brilliant to see those highlights. Too young to be at the games but what great games and atmosphere at both. Great goals as well. My favourite bit was when Chico dummied past George Best in the first leg. Class. :D
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Why was Andy Lochead's header in the first leg disallowed?
A young Phil Dowd was the ref.
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the 1st leg at old trafford was my first away game aged 11 went with my grandfather.the best bit about it was the next day when i made sure i was late for school with the whole school in morning assembly watching me walk across the playground. i paused took the villa scarf from round my neck and held it aloft for everyone to see. then watching my mates applaud me from inside with all the man utd bandwagon jumpers from 68 silent. 2nd leg was even better i was inline with the toilet roll that came on the pitch when super andy scored the equalizer. even dropped my ham sanwich that my mom made me to take in my pocket in case i get hungry.
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Dad tried to get tickets for the home leg and queued outside VP but no luck. I was only a nipper so probably wouldnt have appreciated it anyway but would have been nice to say I as there. My equivalent would probably be the 5-1 v Liverpool.
Does anybody know the Villa teams for those games?
Like the bit where Chico left Best for dead in the first game.
How good a target man was Andy Lochead.
Did Bobby Charlton miss the first game?
Brian Kidd looked a good player.
Charlton played in the first game. We were singing the Clive Dunn song 'grandad' at him. Or were you being sarcastic?
It doesn't show on TV but Andy's second goal took a slight deflection off Ure and he adjusted his own header accordingly. Class.
We were the better team in both games and the better team in the final too.
From memory, same team both games :
Dunn; Bradley, Aitken; Goddrey, Turnbull, Tiler;McMahon, Gibson, Locheead, Hamilton, Anderson.
Mick Wright had damaged a cartilage in the away tie at Bristol Rovers - one of the best games I've ever seen - and Carlos Albradley came into the team.
Bruce Rioch recovered from his own cartilage op and replaced Dave Gibson for the final.
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Steve, how many Villa fans were at the away game? I seem to remember reading 8000 at the time but I was only 8 so am probably very wrong.
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I must dig though my old treasure chest, the one containing all the old Villa news newspapers, many cuttings from over the years including a turkish newspaper interviewing Andy Gray before our UEFA Cup game with Fenerbache.
I used to raid the full poster adverts outside the local Newsagents spouting the headline of the day.
Sure I have the one about Andy Lochead scoring at Mould Trafford in the first leg.
As an aside, anyone remember Andy coming back to Villa park as manager of Oldham in the season we were promoted from div 2 ?
As he walked to the dug out the ground rose to salute him "Andy, Andy Lochead in the air" he waved back and said after he had "tears in his eyes"
Poor Bugger we whacked them 5-0, I think he got sacked at the end of the season.
One of my all time favourites.
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As an aside, anyone remember Andy coming back to Villa park as manager of Oldham in the season we were promoted from div 2 ?
As he walked to the dug out the ground rose to salute him "Andy, Andy Lochead in the air" he waved back and said after he had "tears in his eyes"
Poor Bugger we whacked them 5-0, I think he got sacked at the end of the season.
One of my all time favourites.
I remember that very well. I have a match day programme from the end of that season in which Doug Ellis highlighted the crowd's ovation to Andy Lochead as the epitome of the spirit of Aston Villa.
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Andy Lochhead was in the latter stages of his career when we signed him from Leicester. Although a tough rock hard centre forward he didnt score that often...but when he did they were usually important goals.
Hes retired and living his life out in Burnley where he made his reputation.
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As an aside, anyone remember Andy coming back to Villa park as manager of Oldham in the season we were promoted from div 2 ?
As he walked to the dug out the ground rose to salute him "Andy, Andy Lochead in the air" he waved back and said after he had "tears in his eyes"
Poor Bugger we whacked them 5-0, I think he got sacked at the end of the season.
One of my all time favourites.
I remember that very well. I have a match day programme from the end of that season in which Doug Ellis highlighted the crowd's ovation to Andy Lochead as the epitome of the spirit of Aston Villa.
He wasn't manager, he was first team coach. He once described himself as "a touch player - I touched their nose with my elbow."
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If Andy was playing today he'd be suspended more that he'd play with the way these so-called hard men defenders react. For our younger posters, when Andy was playing defenders were of the type that didn't wear pink slippers or make-up and hardly ever complained when they were hit, just got up and got on with it waiting for their opportunity for retribution. Players would more likely be upset if a throw in was awarded against them than if Big Andy put them on their arse. Andy will forever be a cult hero for me. A true hard man.
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Saw an interview on Sky where Ron 'Chopper' Harris said Lochead was the hardest player he'd ever played against.
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It's true that Andy was proper old school when it came to giving and taking the hard knocks. He was fearless and expected the opposition to be the same.
Not being the fastest player on the pitch, he was also master of the "late follow-through."
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Saw an interview on Sky where Ron 'Chopper' Harris said Lochead was the hardest player he'd ever played against.
I remember Ron Harris was to present a signed pic of Bestie as a prize on Sky a few years ago. Bestie was on the week before and said said "How will he know its me. He only ever saw my back!"
The greatest footballer who ever drew breath.
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I remember a night match at York in the 70s. Andy Lochhead was getting grief from a York player. He looked around to see if the officials were watching and punched him straight in the face. I went to both legs of the semi final. Our train back to Manchester was held at Knott Mil and Deansgate for about 10 minutes and the bastards surrounded a couple of us and nicked our scarves. We got our revenge in that magnificent second leg.
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I remember when we signed big Andy to try and save us from relegation to the third division, he led the line well but just couldn't score.
There was actually a period when he was getting a bit of stick, I remember, but it all came good when he scored his first two goals in a win over Doncaster about six or seven games into our first season in the third division, which ended in glorious failure at Wembley in the League Cup Final.
He couldn't stop scoring in the season after though of course, and I remember his ovation when he came back with Oldham, it still stands as the most moving ovation from a returning Villa player I have ever heard, all of the ground stood and applauded and the big man was clearly moved.
A true Villa legend at a period we really needed one.
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, and I remember his ovation when he came back with Oldham, it still stands as the most moving ovation from a returning Villa player I have ever heard, all of the ground stood and applauded and the big man was clearly moved.
A true Villa legend at a period we really needed one.
Indeed, that was a great occasion. You never hear a bad word about Andy Lochhead. He earned every penny that we paid him. I am still trying to get him to come back as one of the legends that visit on a match day. He was back with Burnley a couple of years ago. I asked Shaun Teale to get him to sign my programme.
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Never seen those goals before, thanks for posting. Always wondered what the fuss was about. Now I know.
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Steve, how many Villa fans were at the away game? I seem to remember reading 8000 at the time but I was only 8 so am probably very wrong.
Sorry Pat, I've only just seen your question.
I have no idea. We were at the old scoreboard end - no roof - and it was all Villa there as far I as I recall. 8,000 probably isn't that far off.
I'd travelled across from Bradford and decided after the game that it wasn't worth trying to get back there, so I hopped on a football special back to Brum and started my Christmas holidays early.
I was glad I did, the atmosphere on the train was quite jovial.
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I used to love that yellow and blue away kit.
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I remember when we signed big Andy to try and save us from relegation to the third division, he led the line well but just couldn't score.
There was actually a period when he was getting a bit of stick, I remember, but it all came good when he scored his first two goals in a win over Doncaster about six or seven games into our first season in the third division, which ended in glorious failure at Wembley in the League Cup Final.
I remember in that game Lochhead, close to the touchline caught an overhit pass to him above his head, goalkeeper style. The fans in general thought it was an amusing thing to do until Doncaster scored from the resulting free kick. He got a bit of stick then before his goals turned the game round. I think it finished 3-2.
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I spoke to my Dad's older brother and he remembers all of the 6 brothers and their Dad going to the game while us kids and the Moms had to stay in Deakin Avenue.
as we were not far from the ground us kids went outside to watch the floodlights and listen to the crowd's reaction.
collective groans Man Utd score...
massive roar.....the Villa went close
the loudest and deafening roar, the Villa scored...
it was just like being in the ground.
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Typical, perfectly good goal disallowed at Mould Trafford.
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I found this while going through some boxes in the attic today.
I have no idea how I have this in my possession.
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Seven bob?? Bloody daylight robbery :)
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Was the game moved? I always thought it was actually played on 23 December.
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I was at both, home and away.
Wonderful.
Utd fans were frightening afterwards at the station and sadly I had to hide my scarf. Return was 23rd.
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Whatever happened to that Man United keeper?
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Whatever happened to that Man United keeper?
Who would have thought what would happen to him in 10/12 years time?
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Was the game moved? I always thought it was actually played on 23 December.
It was played on the 23rd. The first leg was played on the 16th, and was not all ticket if my memory serves.
Can't for the life of me remember why the games would have been put back a week.
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Wonderful memories.
Both games were put back a week because of an energy workers' strike in the good old days when these things were allowed to happen.
I queued overnight to get my ticket -the first time I ever went in the old Trinity Road.
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It still ranks above the European Cup Final for me, but probably just down to nostalgia or because I was only 14 and totally sober.
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I was there that night. It was scary walking down Witton Lane afterwards - the Utd fans gave several Villa fans a right kicking!
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45 years ago today. Wow.