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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: brontebilly on August 10, 2012, 04:19:14 PM
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never nice to see fans turning on their own players but sometimes it just cant be avoided. Plus these are multi millionaire professionals paid to perform, it isnt sunday league.
anyhow I guess hutton and warnock would be two very unpopular players at Villa Park at the moment. Both terrible footballers whose best days have long since past. I was at Spurs a few years back when Harewood came on. We won 2-1 that game but he had a farcical cameo appearance as sub that had everyone around me pretty much laughing at him and how shit he was.
What other standout unpopular players were there over the years and which of them were a little hard done by?
Emile Heskey effectively stole a living from the club for the years he was at the Villa but never seemed to really get it in the neck for some reason.
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Emile Heskey effectively stole a living from the club for the years he was at the Villa but never seemed to really get it in the neck for some reason.
We knew he was shit and he knew he was shit so I think there was just an acceptance there.
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Hutton has the misfortune of being the defining player of TSM's era and will never recover the favour of the fans. Warnock runs him a close second but neither come anywhere near H***e.
Some players have a lack of ability, some players have a lack of integrity.
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As well as all the usual suspects, Nigel Callaghan. Wanker.
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I don't think Heskey was really unpopular. He just wasn't very good and came to us at the tail end of his career. Had he been the player he was at Leicester or Liverpool we'd have been quite happy. When it comes to unpopular, in the true sense of the word, he really shouldn't be part of the discussion in my opinion. There are numerous other players in our past that we could nominate.
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I still cannot stand Stephen Ireland. I want to be able to like him, but I cannot get over the way he disrespected Villa - and he has still never produced any sort of consistent form. I still think it will all end in tears.
i also find his refusal to play for his country to be more than odd, too.
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Of the current bunch, Ireland and Hutton aren't very high on my Christmas card list, neither are Bannan and Dunne, due to their behavior over the past couple of years. Add Collins to that little crew and that is pretty much half the team from last year. Any wonder they haven't had the best of support of the last two seasons.
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I wouldn't say he's unpopular, but given his heroic status on here, I find it a little strange that the match-going fans haven't really taken to Bent.
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Years ago my Dad had a chap sitting near him who couldn't stand Sid Cowans.
He said it was incredible, didn't matter how well he played there would be something to nark this chap. If he pinged a 40 yarder to a team mate this bloke would moan that he should have taken the easier option.
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Jlloyd Samuel seems to stick in my mind, there'd be someone sat by me that shouted "you're f**king useless Jlloyd" as soon as he took his first touch every game. Talk about encouragement.
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Paul Mortimer, great second name though.
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Jlloyd Samuel seems to stick in my mind, there'd be someone sat by me that shouted "you're f**king useless Jlloyd" as soon as he took his first touch every game. Talk about encouragement.
I remember rowing with about 6 tossers in front of me who were giving Samuel dogs abuse in a cup game against Port Vale.
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i have a problem with this thread and the likes of hutton and warnock being mentioned. i wouldnt ever accuse either of them of not giving their all for the club but because the quality isnt quite there that is their managers fault for playing them.
to ever be bracketed with the likes of callaghan, hodge etc is wrong.
i agree both need to be replaced but neither should ever be put into the same category as the tossers mentioned above. far too quickly everyone wants a scapegoat and these are the ones we are going to pressure now!
people with short memories should think how stephen ireland has had 10 good games with the club and slagged us off, gone on loan and wanted to sign elsewhere to all of a sudden being fans player of the year, bollocks imo, and people mentioning him as a future captain and building the team round him.
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Alpay - badge kissing bag of bollocks .
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Hodge and Callaghan have to be in the Gold and Silver positions.
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In the 90's we had had Frank McAvennie on loan.He spent most of the game (the one at Villa Park) moaning at Dwight Yorke.I remember thinking F#ck off your not a Villa player yet.
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Ian Ormondroyd until 89-90.
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Alpay. First Villa player I never liked whilst he was at the club
Didn't he get booed after he scored? Against Charlton I think?
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I thought Alpay was a great player prior to that world cup, what happened after was a shambles.
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I know he lifted a cup for us, but Kevin Richardson as a Villa player always rankled with me because of the blatant handball for Everton that led to our exit from the milk cup semi in the 80's.
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I never liked Alpay. I used shake my head in amazement every time he & Jlloyd started a game for us. They were both rubbish.
Heskey was just a waste of space by the time we signed him.
Les Sealey was another I just never took to.
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I never liked Alpay. I used shake my head in amazement every time he & Jlloyd started a game for us. They were both rubbish.
Heskey was just a waste of space by the time we signed him.
Les Sealey was another I just never took to.
Alpay was rubbish, really?
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I never liked Alpay. I used shake my head in amazement every time he & Jlloyd started a game for us. They were both rubbish.
Heskey was just a waste of space by the time we signed him.
Les Sealey was another I just never took to.
Alpay was rubbish, really?
I didn't like him and I thought he was rubbish. That is my opinion.
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I remember Baros getting booed off the pitch in what must have been his last game for the club. A 2-0 victory over Watford back in 2006.
I remember it was 0-0 with about 15 minutes to go and we were absolutely all over them, only problem was that Baros had missed about 4 one-on-one's, which lead to the Watford fans singing "you need Ashley Young". So he gets subbed off for Angel and he got some pretty nasty heat.
Being about 10 at the time I think that was the game that solidified my love of football, which is weird considering my first 'Villa hero' was Baros.
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I never liked Alpay. I used shake my head in amazement every time he & Jlloyd started a game for us. They were both rubbish.
Heskey was just a waste of space by the time we signed him.
Les Sealey was another I just never took to.
Alpay was rubbish, really?
I didn't like him and I thought he was rubbish. That is my opinion.
Fair enough, although I happen to disagree.
I thought J Lloyd became a scapegoat for that team and was vilified before he'd even touched a ball at times (although that MTV cribs thing did make me cringe).
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I never liked Alpay. I used shake my head in amazement every time he & Jlloyd started a game for us. They were both rubbish.
Heskey was just a waste of space by the time we signed him.
Les Sealey was another I just never took to.
Alpay was rubbish, really?
I didn't like him and I thought he was rubbish. That is my opinion.
Fair enough, although I happen to disagree.
I thought J Lloyd became a scapegoat for that team and was vilified before he'd even touched a ball at times (although that MTV cribs thing did make me cringe).
That's o.k. I don't mind if you disagree.
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Hassan Kachoul and Mustapha Hadji for me, came with such promise but to me didn't put any effort in.
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I did get excited when Daveeeed signed, what a disappointment he turned out to be.
That said, doesn't come close to the disappointement at how Collymore turned out, I was very excited when he signed.
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I remember an FA Cup replay against Portsmouth at VP in 1997 when we won 1-0 and Savo scored the winner. Despite that he was awful and got some abuse and ran down the tunnel when he got substituted. It might have been the aftermath of the spitting incident at Ewood Park.
. I was at Spurs a few years back when Harewood came on. We won 2-1 that game but he had a farcical cameo appearance as sub that had everyone around me pretty much laughing at him and how shit he was.
I'm sure Harewood's farsical cameo at Spurs was the 4-4 game when he gave away the penalty that got them back in the game at 4-1 down.
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Alpay, Hendrie and Hutton. Twat, prick and fucking useless.
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I did get excited when Daveeeed signed, what a disappointment he turned out to be.
That said, doesn't come close to the disappointement at how Collymore turned out, I was very excited when he signed.
Well I have to agree with you on this one. When he signed I thought "Wow, we really are going for it, big time". What a let-down that one was.
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i have a problem with this thread and the likes of hutton and warnock being mentioned. i wouldnt ever accuse either of them of not giving their all for the club but because the quality isnt quite there that is their managers fault for playing them.to ever be bracketed with the likes of callaghan, hodge etc is wrong.
i agree both need to be replaced but neither should ever be put into the same category as the tossers mentioned above. far too quickly everyone wants a scapegoat and these are the ones we are going to pressure now!
people with short memories should think how stephen ireland has had 10 good games with the club and slagged us off, gone on loan and wanted to sign elsewhere to all of a sudden being fans player of the year, bollocks imo, and people mentioning him as a future captain and building the team round him.
Agree
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Nigel callaghan was a bit before my time, can someone tell me why he was so unpopular?
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Nigel callaghan was a bit before my time, can someone tell me why he was so unpopular?
He was a lazy bugger and had a poor attitude towards the club as if he didn't want to be here as far as I can remember and didn't last a whole season... idle git.
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Nigel callaghan was a bit before my time, can someone tell me why he was so unpopular?
He was a lazy bugger and had a poor attitude towards the club as if he didn't want to be here as far as I can remember and didn't last a whole season... idle git.
There was also an incident with a steward if I remember correctly.
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Nigel Callaghan stated publicly that he wouldn't play again for Villa after enduring quite a bit of abuse for his useless displays in his first season and it didn't exactly go down well with the fans. Amazingly, he remained at Villa for a further 2 years, although he was loaned out to a few clubs and hardly played for us.
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Alpay - why was he a twat?
As a Villa player he did fine, in fact for a while he was a bit of a Holte End hero, fist pumping and all that. Then he upset Sir David of Beckinghamshire and suddenly he's shite.
Strange one really.
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(http://www.tmcentertainment.co.uk/images/speaker-index/SpeakOutSteveHodgeweb.jpg)
Steve Hodge played at the highest level in his sport and he has a wealth of stories to match. He is now establishing himself as one of the most gifted football speakers on the after dinner circuit.
http://www.tmcentertainment.co.uk/speaker-index.html?speakerid=808&speakertypeid=14
Anybody fancy organising a darts night ?
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It's got be Steve Hodge for me.
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Alpay - why was he a twat?
As a Villa player he did fine, in fact for a while he was a bit of a Holte End hero, fist pumping and all that. Then he upset Sir David of Beckinghamshire and suddenly he's shite.
Strange one really.
Couldn't agree more, sources within the club at the time suggested that all the contract demands that were reported after the world cup in the press were a little way off the mark.
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Alpay - why was he a twat?
As a Villa player he did fine, in fact for a while he was a bit of a Holte End hero, fist pumping and all that. Then he upset Sir David of Beckinghamshire and suddenly he's shite.
Strange one really.
Couldn't agree more, sources within the club at the time suggested that all the contract demands that were reported after the world cup in the press were a little way off the mark.
For me, and others I would guess, it was because he spent much of 2001-02 injured, yet once the World Cup came round he was miraculously fit. He then basically went on strike for two years.
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I always hated Schmeichal, boiled my piss when he pulled on a Villa shirt... for me he was the epitome of the ref chasing spunk bubbles that played for Man U in the 90s. Not sure if he was unpopular with anyone else... but I couldn't stand him.
Dion Dublin took some stick towards the end of his Villa career as I recall.
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Schmeichel wasn't very good in my opinion, wouldn't say I disliked him just no longer rated him as I felt he was way past his best (although I was at Goodison when he scored which i quite enjoyed).
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I also seem to remember Alan Wright taking a lot of unfair stick towards the end of his time at B6.
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Not sure if this a rubbish players thread (Bryan Small) or a non triers thread (curcic).
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Or none playing players BALABAN, SALIFOU, OSBOURNE
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DAVID UNSWORTH was THE first football player I disliked for Villa. A disgrace !
I was 9 years old when he believed our club was not suitable back in 98 ! Even though he had already signed?! All very confusing. >:(
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Stainrod- really poor signing!
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I still cannot stand Stephen Ireland. I want to be able to like him, but I cannot get over the way he disrespected Villa - and he has still never produced any sort of consistent form. I still think it will all end in tears.
i also find his refusal to play for his country to be more than odd, too.
I can't stand Ireland. Really don't like Herd either.
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I actually think some judgements of players are, whilst not totally wrong, a little wide of the mark. If I remember right the Nigel Callaghan situation started when Platt passed to him and had a go at him for not making enough effort to reach the ball. The crowd picked up on that resulting in Callaghan and a steward having a row and he was pretty much finished from then. Hodge deserves criticism for quitting his boyhood heroes Forest for Villa so he could play in his chosen position and get into the England side then once he had done that and Villa were struggling he wanted another move. However I have never believed his crap back pass against Norwich was a deliberate two fingers to the fans who were booing his every touch. I also always thought the Paul Mortimer gesture to the Holte End was blown out of proportion. And compare the bad feeling of Andy Gray quitting for Wolves to the lack of any bad feeling to Brian Little quitting for Blues but failing the medical.
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Mark Kinsella wasn't very popular was he?
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Out of the current bunch... Hutton i cant stand him and after last season Warnock but over the years i wasnt keen on Alpay, DeLaCruz, Undsworth
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Mark Kinsella wasn't very popular was he?
You've got a point.
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Mark Kinsella wasn't very popular was he?
I wasn't a fan, but he apparently loves the club so he's alright by me.
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Going back a bit but a player I remember getting vitriolic abuse from the crowd was the late Brian Tiler. If I remember correctly ( I am sure someone can validate this) the barracking got so bad in one match Tiler was substituted and replaced by Davy Rudge.
Tiler must have had some backbone however as he overcame the antithesis towards him and became a well respected midfielder whose performances led us to the League Cup final against Spurs.
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Alpay (Shhhhhh!!)
Hodge (Sack of...)
Hutton
Gudjohnson (sp?)
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I remember back in the day I had a real dislike of TC, I remember going to Arsenal away with my brother and screaming at him as he was dawdling down the wing......"run you donkey, I could run faster than you whilst passed out" much to the amusement of the surrounding fans. I am fairly sure an offensive word may have slipped out somewhere amongst the words in that sentence too.
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Nigel callaghan was a bit before my time, can someone tell me why he was so unpopular?
Only Villa player I've seen booed off in a reserve match. Useless twat.
Sasa Curcic - from the Grauniad:
Next up is Sasa Curcic, once of Bolton, Aston Villa and Crystal Palace, whose wife Lisa told the Sunday Mirror in 1998 of the Serb's nasal surgery. "Some of [my friends] couldn't understand why I'd fallen for someone with such a big hooter," she said. "But I've never been attracted to pretty boys and I thought he had an interesting face and lovely eyes." She went on to explain that Curcic was operated on at a private London hospital, having complained about problems with his breathing. "Well, that was his story," said Lisa. "I think it was more to do with vanity because he was always telling me he'd like to have a nose like mine. He got into trouble with Villa because he didn't tell them he was having the surgery and it meant he couldn't play until it had healed." Villa's secretary-director Steve Stride confirmed this to the News of the World in 2000, saying: "While [Curcic] was with us he had his hair dyed, his teeth capped and underwent plastic surgery on his nose. I think he was trying to make himself more attractive to women but I suspect it had the opposite effect."
What a ******.
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"While [Curcic] was with us he had his hair dyed, his teeth capped and underwent plastic surgery on his nose. I think he was trying to make himself more attractive to women but I suspect it had the opposite effect."
At least he gave the penis enlargement course a miss .
Then again, he was a big enough prick already.
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Alpay (Shhhhhh!!)
Hodge (Sack of...)
Hutton
Gudjohnson (sp?)
Any reason for Gudjohnson?
Yes Alpay when we were all cheering him when he scored and he ran up to the Holte with his finger to his mouth giving it the shhhh.
I was also there at Blackburn when Savo spat at the Villa fans after he missed a sitter and we gave him dogs load of abuse.
Not a player but any thread regarding unpopular Villa people deserves a mention of O'Leary. Grade A. Will never be topped.
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The red card for the challenge when we played the knuckledraggers and Dion got red-carded for head-butting Savage.
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The red card for the challenge when we played the knuckledraggers and Dion got red-carded for head-butting Savage.
I'd completely forgotten about that. It's reminded me of Enckelman as well then.
Not just for THAT but generally just because he was very very shit. I noticed today that he is a reserve keeper for some random Scottish club. I really don't know how he ever made a lifelong career out of football.
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The red card for the challenge when we played the knuckledraggers and Dion got red-carded for head-butting Savage.
I'd completely forgotten about that. It's reminded me of Enckelman as well then.
Not just for THAT but generally just because he was very very shit. I noticed today that he is a reserve keeper for some random Scottish club. I really don't know how he ever made a lifelong career out of football.
No way, PE was in the main a very decent keeper, obv he will always be remembered for letting David Elleray prove that he was an abysmal ref but he also put in some superb performances that season that helped keep us up....I seem to remember one of them was against West Ham.
Perhaps not top drawer but far from being 'very very shit'
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The red card for the challenge when we played the knuckledraggers and Dion got red-carded for head-butting Savage.
I'd completely forgotten about that. It's reminded me of Enckelman as well then.
Not just for THAT but generally just because he was very very shit. I noticed today that he is a reserve keeper for some random Scottish club. I really don't know how he ever made a lifelong career out of football.
No way, PE was in the main a very decent keeper, obv he will always be remembered for letting David Elleray prove that he was an abysmal ref but he also put in some superb performances that season that helped keep us up....I seem to remember one of them was against West Ham.
Perhaps not top drawer but far from being 'very very shit'
Dead right. Enks kept us up that season. He was a decent keeper but lacked presence. Unfortunately for him he'll always be remembered for that goal at the Sty.
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He was a player who gave 100% and a boyhood Villa fan but I never liked Brendan Ormsby. I think it was because he took over Ken McNaught's shirt. Not a player but despite hearing a million times what a lovely bloke he is I will never forgive Graham Turner for carrying out Doug's dirty work and getting rid of most of the '80-'82 players as quick as he could. Banishing Dennis Mortimer to the reserves for the last year of his contract, selling Des Bremner to Blues for peanuts where he went on to do a fine job for them (even in a crap team) for a number of years. Still, at least he was instrumental in bringing through legends like Dean Glover and Darren Bradley to replace them.
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I seem to remember Gary Charles getting rather a lot of abuse.
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Steve Hodge without a doubt for me, left us in a lurch after being in world cup 1986 when most Villa fans were proud to him being there. I was brought up in the early 70's and the players wanted to play for the mighty Aston Villa. People like Hodge have not got a clue what Aston Villa Football Club is abut
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I never liked Kevin Richardson or Alan Wright.
For me Richardson was the reason why we did'nt win the league, and Alan Wright did'nt play his role properly.Just did'nt take to them.
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Steve Hodge without a doubt for me, left us in a lurch after being in world cup 1986 when most Villa fans were proud to him being there. I was brought up in the early 70's and the players wanted to play for the mighty Aston Villa. People like Hodge have not got a clue what Aston Villa Football Club is abut
are you taking the piss?
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I don't think so.
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I think it can be influenced by where you sat/stood but I remember Earl Barrett getting a really hard time.
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Stan Petrov, remember the game against Newcastle (I think) when he and Mellberg where having a go at each other, Petrov did not come out for the 2nd half and the cheer around the stadium when it was announced he had been sub'd was very loud!
Petrov for me, just was not good enough, I know that now people remember him with rose coloured glasses, but he took loads of stick, and most wanted him out of the club ( Martin O' Neils love child, supposedly)
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Steve Hodge without a doubt for me, left us in a lurch after being in world cup 1986 when most Villa fans were proud to him being there. I was brought up in the early 70's and the players wanted to play for the mighty Aston Villa. People like Hodge have not got a clue what Aston Villa Football Club is abut
are you taking the piss?
No, why you think that?
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Curcic. Brought in with great hype and expectation,then faded badly after a promising start,ended up like a pantomime character.
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Steve Hodge without a doubt for me, left us in a lurch after being in world cup 1986 when most Villa fans were proud to him being there. I was brought up in the early 70's and the players wanted to play for the mighty Aston Villa. People like Hodge have not got a clue what Aston Villa Football Club is abut
are you taking the piss?
No, why you think that?
no reason, i dont know if there would be many others who share your view??
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shaun maloney.
looked like he had farts trapped in his nostrils. sour-faced sweaty.
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Steve Hodge without a doubt for me, left us in a lurch after being in world cup 1986 when most Villa fans were proud to him being there. I was brought up in the early 70's and the players wanted to play for the mighty Aston Villa. People like Hodge have not got a clue what Aston Villa Football Club is abut
are you taking the piss?
No, why you think that?
no reason, i dont know if there would be many others who share your view??
Did you mean in how Hodge performed for Villa at the start of the 86/87 season or as not being proud to wear the shirt. I mentioned the early 1970's and would suggest the vast majority in those days were very proud to wear the shirt
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Lee Hendrie for me. Having met him a few times I hated him playing for us.
I thinkthe important thing with a thread like this is that it shouldn't have any basis on lack of talent. I don't dislike Hutton, I just don't think he's good enough to be here.
There's no current players I genuinely dislike and a lot of the players on this thread I think are here unfairly (Alpay for example was a good player for us, and reasonably popular, until the press made him a public enemy).
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I wouldn't say he was unpopular as such but I never liked Peter Schmeichel.
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Heskey, Heskey, Heskey.
Until yesterday, I had pretty much zero time for Barry Bannan. I hope I'm proved wrong, I just don't like him.
Erik Bakke, Michael Oakes, Steve Stone...just didn't like them
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Ray Houghton for me, no particular reason but didn't like him as a player and if by chance I hear him on the radio I dislike him even more.
Just because the listening public haven't played football at a professional level that doesn't disqualify them from having an opinion you patronising twat.
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Steve Hodge without a doubt for me, left us in a lurch after being in world cup 1986 when most Villa fans were proud to him being there. I was brought up in the early 70's and the players wanted to play for the mighty Aston Villa. People like Hodge have not got a clue what Aston Villa Football Club is abut
are you taking the piss?
Why is he taking the piss? This is exactly how I felt about him. He was a fine player, and when he went to the '86 World Cup we were proud of it. Then he came back all Billy Big Bollocks and wanted out of the club. I've never disliked a Villa player as much before or since then. A total wanker, but let's not forget he was a good player for us before he thought he was bigger than the club.
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Exactly the same as I felt Saunders_heroes
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One from the past: Nigel Callaghan, one from the present: Alan Hutton, one for the future: Any player from Stoke.
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Collymore. Mainly because i've never been so excited about a signing before or since. Complete waste of space. Of the current crop i'd have to say N'Zogbia. Hutton may get stick for being shit but N'Zogbia is worse IMO as he has the ability but doesn't use it. No excuse whatsoever for a lack of effort.
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For a long time people got on Angel's back massively. After the one season that he banged in about 19 goals, his form fluctuated and I remember the Holte End having a real go at him on a few occasions, not just the Spurs game when he blasted a penalty wide then nodded one past Stuart Taylor. Funny how the OS and so many people on here talk about Angel as being a modern day legend, I seem to recall him as being the ultimate confidence player and so frustrating to watch.
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For a long time people got on Angel's back massively. After the one season that he banged in about 19 goals, his form fluctuated and I remember the Holte End having a real go at him on a few occasions, not just the Spurs game when he blasted a penalty wide then nodded one past Stuart Taylor. Funny how the OS and so many people on here talk about Angel as being a modern day legend, I seem to recall him as being the ultimate confidence player and so frustrating to watch.
That's exactly how I remember him.
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Angel got away with a lot because the fans saw him as "our player" as he was the one Doug splashed the cash on after the "Spend or Go" campaign.
He was hit and miss, decent enough but probably not much better than Savo really.
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Steve McMahon for me, and another vote for N'Zog.
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Bryan Small. I never thought he had the heart and desire t win the ball. Wasnt it him who allowed Cantona the header at OT in 1992?
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I don't get the question, do you mean unpopular whilst they were at the club and playing or at the point of them leaving ? If it's the latter - Downing, for that bloody photo with Carroll
And the Liverpool scarf
Savo ? Gobbing on the away fans yet retains cult legend status ? Weird one.
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I don't get the question, do you mean unpopular whilst they were at the club and playing or at the point of them leaving ? If it's the latter - Downing, for that bloody photo with Carroll
And the Liverpool scarf
Savo ? Gobbing on the away fans yet retains cult legend status ? Weird one.
Judging by the OP, it would seem that the question is about players who are/were unpopular whilst playing for us. Rather then becoming unpopular on their departure.
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One that hasn't been mentioned...Robert Pires. Wasn't exactly a fan favorite. Probably seen as too close to Houllier.
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Ireland for me all day long followed by Heskey.
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Savo ? Gobbing on the away fans yet retains cult legend status ? Weird one.
I was in the away end at Blackburn and I felt like gobbing on some of our fans for the vile abuse they were spouting.
Horrible day, horrible game.
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I wasn't there so I'll never know the ins and outs of that day.
A rarity as im usually present at most catastrophes and on a beach somewhere for the major highs.
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I wasn't there so I'll never know the ins and outs of that day.
A rarity as im usually present at most catastrophes and on a beach somewhere for the major highs.
Any chance of pissing off on holiday then so we can do the double then? ;)
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I wasn't there so I'll never know the ins and outs of that day.
A rarity as im usually present at most catastrophes and on a beach somewhere for the major highs.
Any chance of pissing off on holiday then so we can do the double then? ;)
I figured I was a bad luck omen so I fucked off to Asia for 6 months, back in Sept. So far, we're not doing any better. I tried though.
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I wasn't there so I'll never know the ins and outs of that day.
A rarity as im usually present at most catastrophes and on a beach somewhere for the major highs.
Any chance of pissing off on holiday then so we can do the double then? ;)
I figured I was a bad luck omen so I fucked off to Asia for 6 months, back in Sept. So far, we're not doing any better. I tried though.
I aint too bothered about winning our pre season fixtures
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maybe my memory is abit fuzzy, but didn't Ken McNaught suffer as a unpopular player ?
ps: I still love that photo of Sir Brian slotting the winner vs Everton(1977) with McNaught in the background watching..
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The Doc
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maybe my memory is abit fuzzy, but didn't Ken McNaught suffer as a unpopular player ?
ps: I still love that photo of Sir Brian slotting the winner vs Everton(1977) with McNaught in the background watching..
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The Doc
He was unpopular for about three seasons if me memory is correct. Ironically I recall it turning after the infamous W Ham FA cup defeat, when the fans sang his name before kick off at the next home game ( midweek 1-3 v Wolves IIRC)
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maybe my memory is abit fuzzy, but didn't Ken McNaught suffer as a unpopular player ?
ps: I still love that photo of Sir Brian slotting the winner vs Everton(1977) with McNaught in the background watching..
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The Doc
He was unpopular for about three seasons if me memory is correct. Ironically I recall it turning after the infamous W Ham FA cup defeat, when the fans sang his name before kick off at the next home game ( midweek 1-3 v Wolves IIRC)
not thought about that fucking last minute penalty defeat for sometime Pat....grrrr
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The Doc
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Ken McNaught was very unpopular when he arrived as he had replaced a great clubman in Chris Nicholl. He suffered a very tough start, we had a new keeper in Jimmy Rimmer as well. I think he started to turn the fans on his side when he scored the two goals v Gornik Zabrze in UEFA Cup that season, but was not a favourite for some time.
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Savo ? Gobbing on the away fans yet retains cult legend status ? Weird one.
I was in the away end at Blackburn and I felt like gobbing on some of our fans for the vile abuse they were spouting.
Horrible day, horrible game.
I can remember a villa fan who was wearing two Villa scarf's crying in the Aldi after the game.It certainly was a bad day.
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Ken McNaught was very unpopular when he arrived as he had replaced a great clubman in Chris Nicholl. He suffered a very tough start, we had a new keeper in Jimmy Rimmer as well. I think he started to turn the fans on his side when he scored the two goals v Gornik Zabrze in UEFA Cup that season, but was not a favourite for some time.
I am sure I remember Saunders saying I signed the bloke he will come good.And I might be wrong but didn't Mc Naughton score two goals against someone and the Mail (the Birmingham version) said that will pay for the fences ? in front of the Holte End
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Can I have 2.
1.stinking sack of monkey shit.
2.Poker playing cockney wanker who played for Ireland.
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Ken McNaught was very unpopular when he arrived as he had replaced a great clubman in Chris Nicholl. He suffered a very tough start, we had a new keeper in Jimmy Rimmer as well. I think he started to turn the fans on his side when he scored the two goals v Gornik Zabrze in UEFA Cup that season, but was not a favourite for some time.
Ron Saunders did back him massively. He had been superb for Everton in the league cup final at Wembley the season before especially, but did have a tough start, but Sir Ron was proved right
I am sure I remember Saunders saying I signed the bloke he will come good.And I might be wrong but didn't Mc Naughton score two goals against someone and the Mail (the Birmingham version) said that will pay for the fences ? in front of the Holte End
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David Geddis took a while to warm the fans up I recall. Ended up a cult hero mind you, tarnished by a move to SHA.
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Geddis' problem was he took over the number nine shirt after Gray and Deehan left in '79 and then scored a total of two goals in twenty games. His four in nine the following season when he was cover for Withe and Shaw included two winners and two against Blues. I remember being surprised when he dropped a division to go to Barnsley but he ended up scoring a lot of goals in Blues promotion season a couple of years later for Saunders.
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With all the froth about Suarez, Terry etc. lately, I was thinking are there any players from Villa teams past and present who were as immensely dislikeable as those types of players? Alpay is the only one I can think of, but even that's a bit unfair as it was only after that England game that he became public enemy No. 1.
No obvious jokes about AM please.
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I got the feeling other fans hated Gavin McCann. Also it wasn't just us who dislike Hutton for his vile attempts at 'tackling'.
Oh, and Ash was viewed as a diver (still is I think). I remember having defend him against the opinons of a group of friends of varying allegiances.
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I've merged it with this thread which covers a similar thing.
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Apart from Alpay, its only other midlands teams who have given our players second thoughts really. Not many people talk about our players or seem particularly bothered by it
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I seem to remember a bloke called Stylian Petrov not exactly being flavour of the month in his first season.
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Remember banana gesturing for the holt to sing up. Give us something to sing about you useless little twat
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Geddis was slated for a while.
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Barry Bannan is fast becoming one of our most unpopular players in my lifetime.
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Barry Bannan is fast becoming one of our most unpopular players in my lifetime.
Indeed. The slide from 'he could be special' to 'he's one of the worst players I've ever seen' for some has been rapid.
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Dunno if he's been mentioned in this thread but Staunton back in his second spell surely? Remember the glee when he got sent off harshly for Liverpool at one of the season at VP and then we signed him later that season I think! Can't say I was too fond of him when he came back anyway.
Alpay, a villa career of two halves. 2000-02, very popular. Always just to come to the Holte pre game and fire us up, was a Turkish thing. Then came back from the World cup and had a bust up with Taylor and barely played again before O'dreary inexplicabably played him ahead of Mellberg at Pompey in his first game. He scored later on in the season and told the fans to shut up aswell!
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Dunno if he's been mentioned in this thread but Staunton back in his second spell surely? Remember the glee when he got sent off harshly for Liverpool at one of the season at VP and then we signed him later that season I think! Can't say I was too fond of him when he came back anyway.
Alpay, a villa career of two halves. 2000-02, very popular. Always just to come to the Holte pre game and fire us up, was a Turkish thing. Then came back from the World cup and had a bust up with Taylor and barely played again before O'dreary inexplicabably played him ahead of Mellberg at Pompey in his first game. He scored later on in the season and told the fans to shut up aswell!
Cracking volley against Charlton. A prick, but a very good defender.
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Yeah forgot to mention it in that post but from what we saw in the first few months of 2001-02 Alpay-Mellberg was shaping up to be as good a combination as Southgate and Ugo as they seemed to complement each other perfectly.
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Yeah forgot to mention it in that post but from what we saw in the first few months of 2001-02 Alpay-Mellberg was shaping up to be as good a combination as Southgate and Ugo as they seemed to complement each other perfectly.
Mellberg was the same age as Lowton and Clark are today, says it all.
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Quite a few over 40 years, Simon Stainrod, Warren Aspinall, Sasa Curcic, Nigel Callaghan are just a few from years gone by.
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Gary Charles never appeared to be overly popular with the Villa Park faithful.
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Gary Charles never appeared to be overly popular with the Villa Park faithful.
He was excellent in the season we did well under BL, and before he got injured.
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Yeah forgot to mention it in that post but from what we saw in the first few months of 2001-02 Alpay-Mellberg was shaping up to be as good a combination as Southgate and Ugo as they seemed to complement each other perfectly.
Mellberg was the same age as Lowton and Clark are today, says it all.
Not really, for example God was still playing for St Pat's at that age.
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JLloyd when he started to believe in his own hype.
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Going back a bit but a player I remember getting vitriolic abuse from the crowd was the late Brian Tiler. If I remember correctly ( I am sure someone can validate this) the barracking got so bad in one match Tiler was substituted and replaced by Davy Rudge.
Tiler must have had some backbone however as he overcame the antithesis towards him and became a well respected midfielder whose performances led us to the League Cup final against Spurs.
I was only a pre-teen kid but remember Tiler being particularly unpopular. He obviously had something us fans couldn't see though because I recall him being club captain and a regular starter under both Tommy Docherty and Vic Crowe.
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Gary Charles never appeared to be overly popular with the Villa Park faithful.
He was excellent in the season we did well under BL, and before he got injured.
I just seem to remember him and Alan Wright both getting dogs abuse for a period under Little.
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Going back a bit but a player I remember getting vitriolic abuse from the crowd was the late Brian Tiler. If I remember correctly ( I am sure someone can validate this) the barracking got so bad in one match Tiler was substituted and replaced by Davy Rudge.
Tiler must have had some backbone however as he overcame the antithesis towards him and became a well respected midfielder whose performances led us to the League Cup final against Spurs.
I was only a pre-teen kid but remember Tiler being particularly unpopular. He obviously had something us fans couldn't see though because I recall him being club captain and a regular starter under both Tommy Docherty and Vic Crowe.
I think that much of the abuse that Tyler received was mainly due to the simple fact that he didn't fit the prototype for a centre back in that era (nor did Bobby Moore, of course!).
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Going back a bit but a player I remember getting vitriolic abuse from the crowd was the late Brian Tiler. If I remember correctly ( I am sure someone can validate this) the barracking got so bad in one match Tiler was substituted and replaced by Davy Rudge.
Tiler must have had some backbone however as he overcame the antithesis towards him and became a well respected midfielder whose performances led us to the League Cup final against Spurs.
I was only a pre-teen kid but remember Tiler being particularly unpopular. He obviously had something us fans couldn't see though because I recall him being club captain and a regular starter under both Tommy Docherty and Vic Crowe.
I think that much of the abuse that Tyler received was mainly due to the simple fact that he didn't fit the prototype for a centre back in that era (nor did Bobby Moore, of course!).
I think the 'stick' Tiler used to get was because he was signed by Tommy Doc and was his 'man' who never would be dropped, even though his performances sometimes warranted it.
I remember his debut, he was only signed the day before I think, it was on Boxing Day 1968 against Cardiff on a snow covered pitch, he scored in front of the Holte and looked the part as Doc saved us from relegation and we also went on a great FACup run beating QPR and Southampton, remember Dave Rudge's winner in front of the Holte as one of my top ten Villa moments, 57,000 in the ground I recall.
Tiler was also used in midfield a bit, wore the no.10 shirt in the win over Blues in the last game of the season, but the next season when so much was expected of Villa his form dipped and of course the Doc was sacked.
Although he skippered Villa to Wembley and a decent season under Vic Crowe, the following season his form really dipped and he was in and out of the side that had George Curtis, Fred Turnbull, Neil Rioch and Malcolm Beard vying for centre half roles.
As Villa stormed to promotion from the Third Division and signed Ian Ross and Chris Nicholl the writing was on the wall for Tiler, and he signed for Carlilse.
The Villa fans barracked him a couple of times, I remember, because he was a player who was prone to error and mistakes because he tried to play the ball out of defence, but Docherty would just not drop him and publicly stood up for him.
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Didn't Brian Godfrey skipper Villa to Wembley? I Reckon Tiler was gone by the time we played Spurs in the final.
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Yes mate you are right, Brian was skipper then, but Tiler played centre back with Fred Turnbull.
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Dreadnaught Ken also took some time to win over the fans after his signing from Everon.
Keown never did it for me, always looking to leave.
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steve foster....utter dross signing
a striker whos name escapes me at the mo, but was mentioned in our family as the new scoreboard at VP (electronic one) as it never worked properly
Heskey
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David Geddis. Was one of Saunders attempts to find the right striker. Couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo and faded into obscurity when we signed Peter Withe. Did have a bit of a cameo when we beat the filth 3-0 in the Championship season when he scored one and made another IIRC
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current times it has to be Barry Bannan.Oh yes he runs up and down all match waving his arms like a tictac man but that doesn't mean he's working his socks off.In days gone by Gary Charles,Alan Wright and Ian Callaghan used to get dogs abuse from the Holte end
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David Geddis. Was one of Saunders attempts to find the right striker. Couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo and faded into obscurity when we signed Peter Withe. Did have a bit of a cameo when we beat the filth 3-0 in the Championship season when he scored one and made another IIRC
Geddis also scored a vital goal that season v Southampton, and I thought made a very positive contribution to the progress the team made in the season before we won the league.
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Simon Stainrod...thats the boy i was thinking of.
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Speaking of having mixed feelings about Staunton, always remember the game at anfield in about 96 live on sky, when we had a decent team under BL but had gone 3-0 down in the opening ten mins, the cameras showed Staunton in the dressing rooms laughing and joking with Liverpool staff having just been substituted. Cnut.
And it felt like he was 'coming home' when they briefly had him back. To think that we then allowed him back again once he had become old, fat, slow and shit. And attempting to score direct from corners like he was some sort of Irish Roberto Carlos or something! (which in fairness, he did manage on a couple of occasions IIRC?)
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I always had a disliking of Gareth Southgate, for a few reasons, but the main reason was that he was always one of the players the media latched on to as being much better than he actually was, a bit like Rio Ferdinand. Yes, he was an average to good player, but if he was that great, why did he end up going to some random no-hope club?
And now he makes himself look like a twat regularly on TV.
Oh, and I also seem to recall it was him who got in David James way in the FA Cup Final that led to Chelseas goal.
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I was never a fan of Brendan Ormsby or Paul Elliott. On the other hand, I think I am the only person I know who liked the bloke in between them, Steve Foster.
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David Geddis. Was one of Saunders attempts to find the right striker. Couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo and faded into obscurity when we signed Peter Withe. Did have a bit of a cameo when we beat the filth 3-0 in the Championship season when he scored one and made another IIRC
I am sure Geddis and Withe played together for a home game (Shaw must have been injured).When a move broke down Withe started moaning at Geddis for not passing to him, cue the Holte End giving Geddis loads of abuse.Withe realised this wasn't going to help Geddis or the team and backtracked and applauded him , cue the Holte End now giving Geddis their full support.
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Geddis stepped in for Withe a few times that season. Withe served two suspensions and I think he missed a game through illness or injury too. The game you are talking about was the big clash with Albion towards the end of the season when Ron Saunders rested Gary Shaw. Geddis got four goals in eight starts plus one subs appearance that year. The problem with the fans started the season before when he was seen as Andy Gray's replacement of scored two in twenty.
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I always had a disliking of Gareth Southgate, for a few reasons, but the main reason was that he was always one of the players the media latched on to as being much better than he actually was, a bit like Rio Ferdinand. Yes, he was an average to good player, but if he was that great, why did he end up going to some random no-hope club?
And now he makes himself look like a twat regularly on TV.
Oh, and I also seem to recall it was him who got in David James way in the FA Cup Final that led to Chelseas goal.
Southgate was a great defender for us.
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I always had a disliking of Gareth Southgate, for a few reasons, but the main reason was that he was always one of the players the media latched on to as being much better than he actually was, a bit like Rio Ferdinand. Yes, he was an average to good player, but if he was that great, why did he end up going to some random no-hope club?
And now he makes himself look like a twat regularly on TV.
Oh, and I also seem to recall it was him who got in David James way in the FA Cup Final that led to Chelseas goal.
Southgate was a great defender for us.
I thought he was a very good Captain too
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Does anyone remember David Geddis, he used to get dogs abuse when ever he played for Villa,
1- he always replaced Sir Peter Withe when he was suspended and wasn't good enough to lace his boots,
2- he was Crap, he couldn't hit a cows ass with a banjo.
£300,000 plus from Ipswich money well wasted.
Any one else remember how poor he was?
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I always had a disliking of Gareth Southgate, for a few reasons, but the main reason was that he was always one of the players the media latched on to as being much better than he actually was, a bit like Rio Ferdinand. Yes, he was an average to good player, but if he was that great, why did he end up going to some random no-hope club?
And now he makes himself look like a twat regularly on TV.
Oh, and I also seem to recall it was him who got in David James way in the FA Cup Final that led to Chelseas goal.
Southgate was a great defender for us.
I thought he was a very good Captain too
His dad worked in our company for a while and 1) he was a lovely bloke who took a shine to the Villa 2) he told me how much Southgate loved the Villa and was convinced we were capable of going places
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Does anyone remember David Geddis, he used to get dogs abuse when ever he played for Villa,
1- he always replaced Sir Peter Withe when he was suspended and wasn't good enough to lace his boots,
2- he was Crap, he couldn't hit a cows ass with a banjo.
£300,000 plus from Ipswich money well wasted.
Any one else remember how poor he was?
Take away his winners against Wolves and Southampton and we wouldn't have been celebrating the title at Highbury. We would have been sweating on Ipswich completing their fixtures against Southampton without winning by enough goals to overtake us. Also, without his goals the noses wouldn't had won promotion in '85. Isn't he the only Englishman to win the European Cup, League Title and FA Cup winners medals without playing for Liverpool, United or Chelsea?
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I really never got it with Callaghan. I mean he had a great reputation at Derby. And he never, ever did it for us - was it a hike in wages, billy big bollocks scenario, or what.....There was nothing he did per se to annoy me except for being spectacularly shit from day one.
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I'm not sure he was that great at Derby. I think he peaked as a youngster in the Watford side that came second and reached the cup final. He gets a mention in Maurice Johnston's book for being his drinking buddy back then and ended up being a holiday island DJ so I think it's fair to say he always liked to party.
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Callaghan actually had a very impressive debut at home to Sheffield Wednesday alongside Ormondroyd iirc.
Went downhill from there though.
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Callaghan actually had a very impressive debut at home to Sheffield Wednesday alongside Ormondroyd iirc.
I actually recall it as adequate, it was nothing to set the world on fire.
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I was never a fan of Brendan Ormsby or Paul Elliott. On the other hand, I think I am the only person I know who liked the bloke in between them, Steve Foster.
Steve Foster's spell at Villa Park was an unmitigated disaster. He was never a quick player for Brighton where he had built his reputation, but he was an absolute carthorse for us.