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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on April 23, 2012, 06:39:59 PM
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Available Tuesday night.
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A new low for the season I'm afraid.
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Well that was thoroughly unprofessional. It doesn't matter how we played in first half, the second half is what matters. Criminal.
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Well this is going to be a fun thread! Fuck me
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Worst manager we've ever had. What an utter, utter, utter useless sack of monkey shit.
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you really want to punch coyle with his stupid shorts on... god we are sh1te
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Goodbye Premier league was nice knowing you
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We played pretty great for an hour. But no fucking clue once we suffer a setback.
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No surprise really.
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Surely now, surely, this is the end of the road for the useless manager we have. It has to be. Any fucking guts he would quit tonight.
We are going down. That, i think, is now beyond doubt.
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Such is the mood and our form I feel like we're 19th. On current form we don't have a chance. No more points for us this season.
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you really want to punch coyle with his stupid shorts on... god we are sh1te
Punch Coyle? I can think of a more deserving recipient.
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I think I will stay in off-topic for the next 3 weeks.
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Bag of shit. Mindless defending after the goal.
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Liverpool (A) L *DRAW
Stoke City (H) D
Man Utd (A) L
Sunderland (H) D
Bolton (H) L
West Brom (A) W
Spurs (H) L
Norwich (A) D
Or 6 points.
Sticking with this, atm we're a point better off than my easy predictions. We win one game a month so it's either going to be Bolton (which i can't see happening) or West Brom.
He'll be gone soon thank god.
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Perhaps all of those on here who have been telling us how we wouldn't lose to so and so and QPR or Wigan wouldn't beat so and so will now finally wake up and smell the coffee
What a nightmare evening all round, I feel quite sick
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There have been matches when we've had dreadful performances but got a good result - this was the exactly opposite.
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Oh dear, that is all.
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you really want to punch coyle with his stupid shorts on... god we are sh1te
Punch Coyle? I can think of a more deserving recipient.
I can think of two. Randy and AM.
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I don't hate him. He was just an idiot with too good an opportunity to miss up. I save my hate for Lerner.
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I can't see where we'll get a point from, We're fucked.
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Disappointing but we need to focus on the positives. Didn't deserve to lose and have three cup finals to end the season.
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What a crock of shit. I can't see us getting any more points this season.
We are f**ked.
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Well done Mc Clueless, another rousing half time talk. You'll go down in the annals of Villa history for all the wrong reasons.
Great substitutions the Fonz on with three minutes to go, what's the point
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1 win in how many now?
Gonna have to hope for 0-0 at WBA and that Norwich are kind
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We have to act now to stay up. Even if it is £5 million compo to get the job done it'll save the £40m odd that goes down the toilet if this bloke is given the chance to make it three relegations in four years. What an astonishingly awful appointment.
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Ladies and gentleman, today is the day that the trapdoor starts to creak open.
The sad thing is that other than a deluded Yank and a handful of his over-promoted acolytes, there are plenty of us who could see this panning out from the very moment they appointed Mcleish.
How to fuck up a club in two easy seasons.
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It reminds me of a line if you will from Trainspotting.
I dont hate McLeish, he's just a wanker.
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To be 2-1 down after an hour was just pure, almost outrageous bad luck
It's understandable that we lost composure after that, but not to that extent. We needed to keep our shape, use the wingers and get it in the box. Instead we just completely lost all discipline, composure and tactics.
Still fucking unlucky though.
Cuellar was our worst player I think, he kept diving in and was really ponderous for the penalty. Herd was excellent. I'd play the same side v WBA but with someone in for the ineffectual Albrighton. Possibly Gardner?
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I know Ill probably get told off for this but Alex McLeish, Fuck Off out of our great club you massive ******
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Pathetic. How this tit has even got this job, let alone managed to stay in it, is absolutely beyond me.
0-0 at half-time and outwitted by Owen Coyle. Owen Coyle. I genuinely cannot think of a single strength of McLeish. Not one.
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For the first time this season, I thought we were a bit unlucky to lose that. The problem is, we're in the shit because of all the other times we weren't unlucky - just shit.
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Keep trying to type something.... but cannot put anything down so - boooooooo!
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I only saw the second half. I realise they were better in the first half, but what I saw was devoid of passion, commitment, creativity, tactical nous and even fairly basic competence.
West Brom will be lining up to hammer us this weekend. Other teams will get points off Spurs, but you can't see us doing so. A team of kids, playing like kids, with not a leader in sight among the senior pros.
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The manager should have been sacked months ago. I am trying really hard not to start calling him and randy names, in line with the forum rules but fuck me they both deserve any shit that comes their way.
FUCK off AM
FUCK off Randy
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Disappointing but we need to focus on the positives. Didn't deserve to lose and have three cup finals to end the season.
There are no positives and we are going down I'm afraid. Three straight losses to the end of the season and that is it. Lots of games I can get to next season though a shame they won't include Southampton, Reading and Pompey
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Disappointing but we need to focus on the positives. Didn't deserve to lose and have three cup finals to end the season.
But we did and it's hard to see us winning any of the remaining matches.
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There have been matches when we've had dreadful performances but got a good result - this was the exactly opposite.
When. This season?
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There have been matches when we've had dreadful performances but got a good result - this was the exactly opposite.
Thought we played 'well' first half but were largely very, very ordinary second half. The tactical genius of bringing on the big fella left us scratching our collective head. Pretty poor defending led to both of there goals and we ran out of ideas.
I'd say we look the archetypal relegation team. We leak silly goals, look blunt in attack and have no luck.
If we stay up, and I'd say that's an increasingly big if, it will be far, far to close for comfort.
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what a shambolic mess lerner has made of this club- lerner, faulkner and mcleish have destroyed aston villa and should hang their heads in shame!
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There have been matches when we've had dreadful performances but got a good result - this was the exactly opposite.
Not this season really. We were unlucky tonight but go to pieces twice in a minute and you can end-up shafted. We rarely score more than once in a game and once we went down we were clueless in responding.
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Disappointing but we need to focus on the positives. Didn't deserve to lose and have three cup finals to end the season.
That's more like it, good on you.
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McLeish has matched Billy McNeill as the worst manager anyone could never imagine.
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The situation we are in is really quite staggering.
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Ladies and gentleman, today is the day that the trapdoor starts to creak open.
The sad thing is that other than a deluded Yank and a handful of his over-promoted acolytes, there are plenty of us who could see this panning out from the very moment they appointed Mcleish.
How to fuck up a club in two easy seasons.
But No! Mr. Faulkner told us European qualification was a realistic aim this season. This must be a dream..........
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Once again, we manage a good first half and produce a stinker of a second.
The fact of the matter is, Bolton made a tactical change, and McLeish did not have a fucking clue what to do, so opted to do nothing.
When were were 2-1 down, we didn't seem to have any shape, purpose or invention.
I now think we actually will go down, and to be quite honest, we fucking deserve it. We let one of the worst teams I've seen in yonks at Villa Park take the piss for 45 pathetic minutes.
Lerner and Faulkner need to put some fucking grown ups in charge next season, because it isn't working.
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The kids gave their all but were stuffed in the second half this all dowm to McCleish's tactics earlier in the season, he's going to set some kind of record for gatting teams relegated. How ya feeling now Randy?
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There have been matches when we've had dreadful performances but got a good result - this was the exactly opposite.
Thought we played 'well' first half but were largely very, very ordinary second half. The tactical genius of bringing on the big fella left us scratching our collective head. Pretty poor defending led to both of there goals and we ran out of ideas.
I'd say we look the archetypal relegation team. We leak silly goals, look blunt in attack and have no luck.
If we stay up, and I'd say that's an increasingly big if, it will be far, far to close for comfort.
We will go down
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Friday night away at forest awaits
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The parallels compared to SHA season last year is uncanny. It's almost like the manager is, infact, absolute shit and doesn't have a clue. If only someone had let Randy know.
I think we may well be going down.
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I'm sorry there are no positives in a home defeat to Bolton at this stage, none at all. The manager has to go now whatever happens. Lerner you need to dig your head out of the sand and realise what a colossal fuck up you've made. I'll be curious to see how Pravda spins this, they've trotted out virtually the entire squad to try and pretend everything's alright. It is not.
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I really do think we're going down you know. It's just hitting home. I actually think we're going down
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And Chelsea have got to the final of the Champs League, what a thoroughly shite evening.
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Strange substitutions. Swapping a forward for a forward? Then a winger for a winger? Bolton made it clear they were happy to defend for the last 15 mins so why not take off a defender and bring on a forward?
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Sack him and Grant tonight.
Tell Mac and Sid to finish the season.
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I genuinely think the situation is so desperate now, that I'd sack McLeish tonight and put KMac and Sid in charge for the remaining fixtures in the desperate hope we get a bounce from ditching this fucking idiot.
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There have been matches when we've had dreadful performances but got a good result - this was the exactly opposite.
Thought we played 'well' first half but were largely very, very ordinary second half. The tactical genius of bringing on the big fella left us scratching our collective head. Pretty poor defending led to both of there goals and we ran out of ideas.
I'd say we look the archetypal relegation team. We leak silly goals, look blunt in attack and have no luck.
If we stay up, and I'd say that's an increasingly big if, it will be far, far to close for comfort.
We will go down
You might be right and my spelling is atrocious.
Can't wait to go to the Hawthorns.
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If McUselesssatchelofliquidbaboonshit isn't gone by the morning, we can safely assume he'll be here next season.
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Once again, we manage a good first half and produce a stinker of a second.
The fact of the matter is, Bolton made a tactical change, and McLeish did not have a fucking clue what to do, so opted to do nothing.
What should he have done? He played the best team available to him in the best positions. Tactically there was not a lot he could do.
We had just taken the lead that our play more than deserved and then Cuellar gives away a stupid penalty and Albrighton gives away the ball for the second.
Sorry, I just can't pin this on on the manager.
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No home wins against November
2 goals in 50 seconds against a team in the relegation zone
If McLeish had any decency, he'd resign before 10AM tomorrow. If he doesn't, I think we need a whip-round so that we can fund his voluntary redund....assassination.
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Why are we the only side down there that can't conjure up a fookin win?
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Like someone said earlier, I actually feel sick.
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Stunned. I genuinely never thought we would actually go down until today.
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Pleased, but of course not pleased really, to see the realism finally dawning on everyone. As I said on the match thread, I have been utterly amazed at the certainty that people have had on here right up to tonight that there is no way we are going down. I am at a loss to understand how anyone could even remotely think we were safe...
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Strange substitutions. Swapping a forward for a forward? Then a winger for a winger? Bolton made it clear they were happy to defend for the last 15 mins so why not take off a defender and bring on a forward?
In fairness, Bannan and Albrighton are hardly similar players, and Delfouneso on for Herd basically was a forward for a defender. However, McLeish really doesn't know how to use attacking players with flair and talent. He's alright with brainless system drones from the pool of British and Irish, mediocre, early 30s, "experienced" jobbing pros, but anyone with any gifts? Not a clue.
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Take the game as a whole -first and second half, and you could say we were unlucky. I'm not sure I'd entirely agree, as we had plenty of time to respond after Bolton's 2nd. But couldn't.
Take the season as a whole though, and we aren't unlucky. This is karma, karma for all the games we didn't even try to win.
A while back McLeish said he wanted to 'stamp his own personality' on the team. Congratulations. Job done.
Go now.
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Tonight was just so predictable I can barely raise any anger or frustration. Our general predicament was also predictable, almost inevitable, as soon as the most insane managerial appointment in the history of football was made last summer.
To all those saying how safe we were a few weeks ago, you really weren't seeing the bigger picture. This manager is beyond incompetent and he's unlucky to boot. A fatal combination. No doubt that ****** Ferguson will still be bigging him up when he takes us down. Which is now looking extremely likely as we are the only one of the bottom few who don't look anything like getting a win. And we haven't done for weeks.
All so avoidable.
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At this stage I'd even have Dion Dublin as manager. Fuck me, sack him and get someone in who can rally the troops. I don't care who. Then rebuild and get a manager with some vision in.
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Mr. Walnuts summed it up for me.
We are poor, the manager is not up to it and we are jinxed.
2 more points might well be enough to stay up, but I would not bet on us to get them.
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Is he gone yet ?
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I genuinely think the situation is so desperate now, that I'd sack McLeish tonight and put KMac and Sid in charge for the remaining fixtures in the desperate hope we get a bounce from ditching this fucking idiot.
I agree we need some sort of lift, and Mcleish's reign at the club has been terminal for some time.
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Looks like I was right about McClueless' team selection.
All we had to do was win tonight and we would be all but safe. We can't even do that. We need wins not draws. It's win or bust. Despite our relegation rivals pulling rabbit out of the hat wins I can't see us winning.
I feel sick.
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yes he has a lot of injuries but I feel there is no plan B... and quite a lot of the time no plan A. Albrighton amongst others are way overrated - his crossing for a winger is quite a lot of the time woeful.
McLeish please go. We are about to enter the trapdoor.
If we do go however he will never get a managers job again. Oversaw 3 relegations? T1t...
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I've followed the Villa since 91 and I've never felt as sick as I do tonight!
For the love of god please sack the useless wanker tonight and out Sid and Kmac in charge until end of season.
If he doesn't go we are definitely going down. Can't believe it's come to this (well I can and that's the problem)
I have never hated our manager before. Actually hate. If he stays it's going to cost the club a fortune in a massive irate security team for the useless twat
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Been dreadful since the chelsea away game , we deserve to go down and financially will be fucked by relegation-lerner has put this club back years but some people think hes done a good job -crikey doug was so much better than this clown who seems to treat villa as a toy hes bored with.
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I genuinely think the situation is so desperate now, that I'd sack McLeish tonight and put KMac and Sid in charge for the remaining fixtures in the desperate hope we get a bounce from ditching this fucking idiot.
Wish they would, but unlikely until we're relegated
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Suddenly alot of Journo's on twitter coming round to the thinking we could go down ...shocking how people have not seen how bad we have been for months !!!
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Spurs relegated the rags in the last game of the season last year. Looks like they can condem us this year. We are down.
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Its a shocking result. For the first time i think we're down.
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The most worrying thing is that after conceding the second, at no point did we look like we knew what we were doing, let alone like scoring.
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I genuinely think the situation is so desperate now, that I'd sack McLeish tonight and put KMac and Sid in charge for the remaining fixtures in the desperate hope we get a bounce from ditching this fucking idiot.
This...he's got to go and quickly...we just need one result, just one and tonight should have been it....nothing to lose now, let sid see it through...can't see us getting another point under AM. Confidence is just non existant...
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Get out and stay out you useless fuck. It's an achievement in itself to make us as bad as we are in such a short space of time
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I could never understand why people like John e and others were so confident we'd stay up. After Wigan bet United I got that sinking feeling.
Lets pray for an unexpected win against Spurs. As of now we're still in this league.We're up against it but the fans have got to rally.
It would help if Randy would sack that useless fucking idiot in charge of the team.
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We are not used to creating chances and therefore are not clinical.
We are going down - I doubt we will score again this season. 1 win (injury time) in 13. That is relegation in anyone's book. Anyone's!!!!!
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Tonight was just so predictable I can barely raise any anger or frustration. Our general predicament was also predictable, almost inevitable, as soon as the most insane managerial appointment in the history of football was made last summer.
To all those saying how safe we were a few weeks ago, you really weren't seeing the bigger picture. This manager is beyond incompetent and he's unlucky to boot. A fatal combination. No doubt that c*** Ferguson will still be bigging him up when he takes us down. Which is now looking extremely likely as we are the only one of the bottom few who don't look anything like getting a win. And we haven't done for weeks.
All so avoidable.
Agree completely
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I genuinely think the situation is so desperate now, that I'd sack McLeish tonight and put KMac and Sid in charge for the remaining fixtures in the desperate hope we get a bounce from ditching this fucking idiot.
We could do no worse. At least the players would want to play for either of them.
Holy shit we haven't won at home since November.
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Shall we have a poll on sacking the manager and letting K Mack and Sid take over?
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Strange substitutions. Swapping a forward for a forward? Then a winger for a winger? Bolton made it clear they were happy to defend for the last 15 mins so why not take off a defender and bring on a forward?
In fairness, Bannan and Albrighton are hardly similar players, and Delfouneso on for Herd basically was a forward for a defender. However, McLeish really doesn't know how to use attacking players with flair and talent. He's alright with brainless system drones from the pool of British and Irish, mediocre, early 30s, "experienced" jobbing pros, but anyone with any gifts? Not a clue.
Fonzy for Herd was with 3 minutes to go, because Herd knackered his groin. I wasn't against Albrighton off, but would have brought Gabby on and kept Heskey on. For me, Bannan & Albrighton are similar, it's just that Bannan crosses like Mark Walters but Albrighton crosses like Tony Daley!
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I genuinely think the situation is so desperate now, that I'd sack McLeish tonight and put KMac and Sid in charge for the remaining fixtures in the desperate hope we get a bounce from ditching this fucking idiot.
We could do no worse. At least the players would want to play for either of them.
Holy shit we haven't won at home since November.
We have, only once though (Fulham)
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If we stay up, it'll be down to luck rather than ability. There's a couple of people there who ought to take a fucking good look at themselves.
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I genuinely think the situation is so desperate now, that I'd sack McLeish tonight and put KMac and Sid in charge for the remaining fixtures in the desperate hope we get a bounce from ditching this fucking idiot.
This...he's got to go and quickly...we just need one result, just one and tonight should have been it....nothing to lose now, let sid see it through...can't see us getting another point under AM. Confidence is just non existant...
Absolutely, it might just be the rallying call the team needs to eek out a point against Spurs at home which might just be enough. The margins have become that fine.
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We said that if we lose this game were relegated. Well McRelegator doesn't like to disappoint.
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Shall we have a poll on sacking the manager and letting K Mack and Sid take over?
No point - he has to be sacked. There is nothing to lose and a lot to gain... My mom's free for the managers job...
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I genuinely think the situation is so desperate now, that I'd sack McLeish tonight and put KMac and Sid in charge for the remaining fixtures in the desperate hope we get a bounce from ditching this fucking idiot.
We could do no worse. At least the players would want to play for either of them.
Holy shit we haven't won at home since November.
We beat Fulham at home. And thank fook we did.
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Fergal loves a poll.
I can't for a second see that it would not be 100% out now.
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Sack him - he has shown absolutely nothing either here or at any other club to show he is up for the fight. Get rid, and at least try and get some cohesion for the last 3 games.
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That was our chance tonight, I can see those fkng albion fans rubbing their hands at the prospect of helping to send us down.
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Oh my God I'm just so angry. Managed to keep a fairly level head through this season but I could kill right now
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Strange substitutions. Swapping a forward for a forward? Then a winger for a winger? Bolton made it clear they were happy to defend for the last 15 mins so why not take off a defender and bring on a forward?
In fairness, Bannan and Albrighton are hardly similar players, and Delfouneso on for Herd basically was a forward for a defender. However, McLeish really doesn't know how to use attacking players with flair and talent. He's alright with brainless system drones from the pool of British and Irish, mediocre, early 30s, "experienced" jobbing pros, but anyone with any gifts? Not a clue.
Fonzy for Herd was with 3 minutes to go, because Herd knackered his groin. I wasn't against Albrighton off, but would have brought Gabby on and kept Heskey on. For me, Bannan & Albrighton are similar, it's just that Bannan crosses like Mark Walters but Albrighton crosses like Tony Daley!
Bannan and Albrighton are very different for me. However, I'd agree with you in that McLeish tried to use them as if they were, in fact, completely the same. That's the problem.
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fuck it , im flying off on holiday tomorrow and damn sure im not going to let these clowns in charge spoil things , when i return i hope to see mcleish gone and villa safe but i fear the worst.
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No interview from the Villa side? Hopefully this means that they are busy kicking his useless arse out.
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I can't see how he can't be sacked, any other team, regardless of league, would be rid of their manager if he kept coming up with the shit mctwat has. I don't care how much it costs us, but he HAS to go.
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I just knew he was sleep walking us into relegation. Exactly the same pattern as last year with Blues. We may have been unlucky tonight in the first half, but maybe his negative, anti-football stance is coming back to haunt him and unfortunately our great club. If he had any dignity he would walk away now. The sad truth is, that this could have been avoided with almost any other appointment. Sad, sad evening for the Villa.
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When you employ a manager that has a history of relegation and shit football than chances are you'll end up playing shit football and getting relegated.
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This game reminded me of Blose game against Fulham last season. A win away from safety, lose it and get dragged right into the battle....
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Go now. Couldn't make tonight but saw last 10 mins - were the crowd singing Fuck of McLeish, the Villa is ours and Sack McLeish M'lord?
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Is there anything worth saying? Sack him now and give us a chance
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I'm in the 'sack him' camp, no doubt. He has shown nothing to suggest he can improve things at all, so there is nothing to lose by getting rid immediately - in fact, it might show a little bit of leadership which has been a little lacking.
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Is it true that we still pay off or last 2 managers? In that case i dont think mcrusty will be sacked...
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When you employ a manager that has a history of relegation and shit football than chances are you'll end up playing shit football and getting relegated.
Blimey quick someone tell Randy. Oh.
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Is it true that we still pay off or last 2 managers? In that case i dont think mcrusty will be sacked...
We'll lose even more money if we don't...
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I take the owner wasn't there?
As big a coward as the manager.
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As has been said by a few of you, the only way now to rid Villa Park of the stench of death is to give that good for nothing bag of dingo shit the sack instantly. We can regroup, rally round the team and get some hope back among the fans. We'll be united behind Sid and K-Mac for the last three games - what have we got to lose now? Of course, Randy could be quite aware that McLeish is a very convenient fall guy at the moment. With him gone, the supporters' ire will inevitably be directed at the absent American fortune-fritterer.
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When you employ a manager that has a history of relegation and shit football than chances are you'll end up playing shit football and getting relegated.
Exactly, do one Lerner.
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The goals were very poor to give away but my god the effort to get back into the game as abysmal.Constant long balls and Albrighton what has happened to his crossing.
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Is it true that we still pay off or last 2 managers? In that case i dont think mcrusty will be sacked...
maybe they were sensible enough to put him on a contract saying "if you dont get to x position in the league you are sacked without compensation"... but I'm guessing thats way too sensible. Plus when he joined didn't they say he was 'mr football'? Maybe they were going on about his head shape - cos on the pitch he knows nothing about the game...
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Mcleish will be here next season, they won't sack him.
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Disappointing but we need to focus on the positives. Didn't deserve to lose and have three cup finals to end the season.
There are no positives and we are going down I'm afraid. Three straight losses to the end of the season and that is it. Lots of games I can get to next season though a shame they won't include Southampton, Reading and Pompey
Sad to say that's exactly what I thought of at the whistle too Richard. Still - Millwall, Charlton, Brighton eh?
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I take the owner wasn't there?
As big a coward as the manager.
Well would you fly half the way around the world to watch that? If he wants to see a thoroughly mediocre sports team he could just go and watch his local NFL franchise.
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fuck it , im flying off on holiday tomorrow and damn sure im not going to let these clowns in charge spoil things , when i return i hope to see mcleish gone and villa safe but i fear the worst.
Wish I could afford a two year holiday...
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We may as well sack him because even a rudderless ship has a chance of avoiding the rocks. With the good Cap'n McLeish at the helm it's a guaranteed shipwreck.
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Sitting here reading all this and I can hear Redknapp junior downstairs on the telly extolling the virtues of Chelsea
It doesn't get much worse than this
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No interview from the Villa side? Hopefully this means that they are busy kicking his useless arse out.
I like many others have wanted the useless fucker sacked for ages, it would be just like our inept owner to do it when it's too late.
Better still he will have fallen on his sword...
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He has to go and it has to be tonight. Let Kev Mac and Cowans have the run in. I just can't believe what has happened to us! When Mcleish goes we need to seriously look at Randy and Faulkner. They arent without blame here
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Well most could hear the alarm bells ringing when we took on AM. It is just a pity that Randy is deaf. In fact it is a fucking crying shame.
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I don't care about the "I told you" statements. Doesn't help one bit. The matter is what do we (AVFC) do NOW! and they can't make it worse by sacking him. Maybe we could even win a game and get another season???
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Mcleish will be here next season, they won't sack him.
I really fear this might be true!!!
They should sack him now and hopefully that will lift the team for the last three games
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Was there a Villa interview? After every bad game we've gave an interview. Weird that we're not now.
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Far too many similarities with the blose of last term to be a surprise. The man is absolute poison. Shame on you for appointing him Randy. Now do the decent thing and right your wrong.
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We are well and truly involved now.
I know those of us of a more cynical disposition felt that anyway, but I don't think the rest of the country did.
Any time the run-in's of the relegation threatened sides were listed, we were omitted.
It was always QPR, Bolton, Wigwam, Blackburn and the Dogheads- with ourselves as outsiders.
We aren't outsiders anymore.
I still maintain we'll be safe - we might even achieve that as early as this weekend if we jettison the complete cretin currently in charge. But it looks like it's going to the wire -the final match v Norwich away.
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Well most could hear the alarm bells ringing when we took on AM. It is just a pity that Randy is deaf. In fact it is a fucking crying shame.
It takes quite an owner to make us pine for the 'good old days' of deadly Doug.
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5Live waiting for McLeish..."He is normally quicker down than this"..
Fingers crossed
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Far too many similarities with the blose of last term to be a surprise. The man is absolute poison. Shame on you for appointing him Randy. Now do the decent thing and right your wrong.
Spot on Mr Upnorth. It really does take a spectacularly bad manager to go on two such dismal end-of-season runs as McLeish has the last couple of seasons. I hope Lerner's taking a good, long look in the mirror tonight.
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the postive effect of sacking a man never fit to step inside Villa Park as a manager tomorrow morning would bring such a blast of positivity to the club that it would all but guarantee survival
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5Live waiting for McLeish..."He is normally quicker down than this"..
Fingers crossed
Fingers and toes crossed. If he was sacked we could get a full house for the next home game. It would united the club.
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5Live waiting for McLeish..."He is normally quicker down than this"..
Fingers crossed
Perhaps he's trying to impress the fans by bollocking the players for ages? Bit late for that.
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Imagine the likely horror of being desperate for something at Norwich and seeing Delia's smug fat face as a perennial Premier League team gets relegated by her turkey breeding third division side. Lambert v McLeish. Enough to make you sectarian.
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Far too many similarities with the blose of last term to be a surprise. The man is absolute poison. Shame on you for appointing him Randy. Now do the decent thing and right your wrong.
Complete mirror image,I can only see us getting a point at best.
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I don't see us sacking him until the end of the season and who knows had we not had sixty seconds of madness this evening we could have been all but safe
We're not though and we're where we are because we're shit, not because we're unlucky
Once they went ahead I don't recall us having a shit on target and sadly we look what I fear we will become - a Championship side
The only way we stay up is if those below us don't get the points to overhaul us as I can't see us getting another point
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Phonecall to Fergie? To ask what to do next?
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5Live waiting for McLeish..."He is normally quicker down than this"..
Fingers crossed
Has he been interviewed yet? Or is he on the phone to RL getting his marching orders?
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5Live waiting for McLeish..."He is normally quicker down than this"..
Fingers crossed
Perhaps he's trying to impress the fans by bollocking the players for ages? Bit late for that.
Yeah. "You did everything I told you against all logic and then useless substitutions. It is your fault not mine."
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The team seems far too nervous. Even when we are playing well, all of the players seem on edge and when they get a chance on goal and seem to shit their pants. When we went down tonight, we immediately switched to desperate long ball tactics, when what we needed was an experienced player to explain to the team that there was plenty of time left and the correct tactic was to get the ball on the floor and play football against what was a poor Bolton team.
The substitutions didn't help. They smacked of desperation, and only heightened the sense of doom throughout the team.
The fans don't help, and I feel we have more chance of picking up a couple of vital points away from home.
If I was Manager, I would hire a lapdancing club, and take the whole team out on the town to let what hair the team has left down, and get them all laid to release some of the tension. That's probably why I'm not Manager though!
No doubt now, we are deep in trouble, because I can see Bolton kicking on, and with the team in turmoil like tonight, I can only see the odd battling draw between now and the end of the season.
BTW, McCleish obviously has to go, but to do that now would be accepting definite relegation, as the last thing this team needs now is more desperate knee jerk reactions.
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Soon, all the lot who went to the game will get home and on here.
Brace yourselves...
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Back to the game for a moment. Mark Albrighton, how does he get a game? a winger who can't cross a ball, not just picking on him now but he's been crap all year. Well done to the kids in defence thay gave their all.
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Finger crossed its the sack
Pointless him being there now
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I don't see us sacking him until the end of the season and who knows had we not had sixty seconds of madness this evening we could have been all but safe
We're not though and we're where we are because we're shit, not because we're unlucky
Once they went ahead I don't recall us having a shit on target and sadly we look what I fear we will become - a Championship side
The only way we stay up is if those below us don't get the points to overhaul us as I can't see us getting another point
Well I'm bringing my mansized nappy to Norwich away final game of the season. If the daft beggar is still in charge, there will at least be one shit on target.
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5Live waiting for McLeish..."He is normally quicker down than this"..
Fingers crossed
Perhaps he's trying to impress the fans by bollocking the players for ages? Bit late for that.
I've actually stopped listening to McLeish's post match inteviews a while back.
They never fail to make it worse.
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5Live waiting for McLeish..."He is normally quicker down than this"..
Fingers crossed
Perhaps he's trying to impress the fans by bollocking the players for ages? Bit late for that.
Yeah. "You did everything I told you against all logic and then useless substitutions. It is your fault not mine."
Eavesdropper!
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Maybe Randy's finally remembered the dialling code for the UK, or has dusted off his video conferencing kit. I very much doubt it however.
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Finger crossed its the sack
Pointless him being there now
Apt phrasing.
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On a brighter note, all of the media attention will be on Chelsea now. Saved from extensive embarrassment.
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Nice slip, Lobsterboy. 'Shit on target' must be what Eck heard Carson Yeung and Bluenoses instructing him to achieve.
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Maybe Randy's finally remembered the dialling code for the UK, or has dusted off his video conferencing kit. I very much doubt it however.
Ha ha, very funny. First laugh for a couple of hours.
He's probably googling around trying to find Windows 7 drivers for his 10 year old webcam, so he can put through a call to that useless manbaby Faulkner on Skype.
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A serious question. Will we have the team to come stright back up ?
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I cannot believe how gutted I am right now. He needs to be fired tonight and I've given every bit of rope I have. He needs to go so that we have even a tiny chance of arresting this. Have some fucking balls Faulkner. Call Randy and fire him tonight.
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A serious question. Will we have the team to come stright back up ?
No.
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Dear Mr Lerner,
With reference to your letter of last August, do you still consider that McLeish is '....a very special football man' and 'a worthy and in fact uniquely good fit for our club'? And how did you fare 'managing your investments at Villa Park'? Did you 'manage the club for growth'? Did you achieve your target of being 'within range of a top 20 ranking among clubs in Europe by revenue'.
At the risk of repetition, what happened to the Proud History and Bright Future, Randy?
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A serious question. Will we have the team to come stright back up ?
I think we probably would. We'd definitely lose the likes of N'Zogbia and Bent, but our squad is full of decent kids at the moment, almost all of which I don't see leaving if we go down.
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What a disgrace. He has got to go tonight. I could not see us getting back in the game after they took the lead.
I jokingly said to a mate at the start of the season that we would need a result at Norwich, never thought it would happen though.
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He is on now.
"Ruthlessness lacking...." ...yeah from the board, not sacking you!
He didn't announce he is sacked
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A serious question. Will we have the team to come stright back up ?
With the right manager we wouldn't be far away with this team I reckon.
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A serious question. Will we have the team to come stright back up ?
We'll probably lose Bent and Given and need to clear a few other big earners out. We would then be left with a youthful and inexperienced squad who would have potential. We'd need to add a few horses for courses to that. I don't know, the Marlon Harewoods of this world.....
Christ that's fucking depressing. I never thought my 5,000th post on Heroes & Villains would be so utterly negative, but so close to the bone at the same time ....
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A serious question. Will we have the team to come stright back up ?
we had just as bad a squad when Sir Graham took over and he signed the right players to bring us back. One massive problem. Sir Graham isn't going to ride over the fill on a white horse any time soon. It really depends on who takes over but as things stand I very much doubt it. And you have to have to also factor the players who'll leave, and that will leave us fucked for a while.
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Dam on 5live, he's still here. Blaming players. Understands the crowd reaction, he was the most frustrated in the ground, seems to be claiming the way we played in the last half hour was nothing to do with him.
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No shape in midfield and this apology for a manager cannot see it. It has been the same all season. Without shape you do not maintain possession, control the game, pressure the opposition and create good chances.
He has a mindset and a way of playing which he cannot change during the game.
You do not play N'Zogbia and Albrighton when you have Herd and Warnock in the middle.
Get rid of this useless t*** now. It may just give the players a lift for the final 3 games.
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A serious question. Will we have the team to come stright back up ?
No.
I'm inclined to agree unless there are fundamental changes. We're in a financial mess as it is, relegation will simply make it ten times worse. Lerner's absenteeism coupled with a prolonged spell for McLeish will kill the club.
I predict a long stint in the Championship whilst we try to right the wrongs that have been inflicted upon the club.
There's no white knight in a Graham Taylor mask prepared to call the club a shambles and rescue us this time around.
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Will any reporter have the bravery to question his ability given his appalling record? Will they fuck.
Same old shit trotted out week after week.
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A serious question. Will we have the team to come stright back up ?
With the right manager we wouldn't be far away with this team I reckon.
We wouldn't have this team, though, Dave.
Given, N'Zogbia would be off I reckon, Cuellar is already almost gone, too.
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Just back from game
First half we should have been 3 up
But then thoroughly unprofessional, we deserve to be relegated
1 win in 13, McLeish has to be sacked
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I don't see us sacking him until the end of the season and who knows had we not had sixty seconds of madness this evening we could have been all but safe
We're not though and we're where we are because we're shit, not because we're unlucky
Once they went ahead I don't recall us having a shit on target and sadly we look what I fear we will become - a Championship side
The only way we stay up is if those below us don't get the points to overhaul us as I can't see us getting another point
Well I'm bringing my mansized nappy to Norwich away final game of the season. If the daft beggar is still in charge, there will at least be one shit on target.
That comment is possibly the only thing that had made me smile since Warnock scored!
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interview given so not been sacked yet but oh my lord i prey he is soon
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Dam on 5live, he's still here. Blaming players. Understands the crowd reaction, he was the most frustrated in the ground, seems to be claiming the way we played in the last half hour was nothing to do with him.
he's fucking deluded. Yet again. It's never, ever his fault.
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Dam on 5live, he's still here. Blaming players. Understands the crowd reaction, he was the most frustrated in the ground, seems to be claiming the way we played in the last half hour was nothing to do with him.
He's tried to give that impression a lot this season, but if the players go out on the pitch and just ignore him, regularly, over the coruse of the whole season, one of two things need to happen. Either the manager needs to go, or most of the squad does.
Easy choice.
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Broken record...does he watch different games to us? Anyone would think we created 8 or 9 clear cut chances and failed to take any of them...we create about 1 or 2 at best...the rest is all huff and puff and the odd half chance....
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One point may just save us...
trouble is can't see us getting it
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Just fuck off Alex. Randy you sir are thoroughly incompetent.
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There are no positives from tonight.
Yes, we played with passion in the first half. But why the fuck did it take to the penultimate game of the season before we played that way ?
That said, passion and effort is all well and good, but you also need guile and quality, we don't have any.
I said at half time that biggest issue would be how Coyle changed things an what McWanker could do to counter it.
Well, we got our answer, he did not have a fucking clue.
Get that bastard out of our club and do it now.
The Villa is ours.
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A serious question. Will we have the team to come stright back up ?
With the right manager we wouldn't be far away with this team I reckon.
We wouldn't have this team, though, Dave.
Given, N'Zogbia would be off I reckon, Cuellar is already almost gone, too.
Guzan in goal would be about the best in the championship, Given going would be no big loss for me, not been overly impressed.
Lichaz
Baker
Clark
Stevens
Albrighton
Bannan
Herd
Carruthers
Holman
Delph
Gardner
Weimann
Fonz
For me we would need 3-4 older heads in the squad with Championship experience that would cope in the premier league. Maybe a player like Rhodes to replace Bent and given the task of scoring the goals to get us back, a couple of older heads in midfield and a forward that can create a bit.
God knows who, but I reckon we would be able to put a side together to get straight back
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People saying we should have been 3/4/5 up at half time are forgetting one fundamental fact - if we'd have scored once we wouldn't have tried to score again.
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Fuck me. I really still wish Doug was in charge right now. He'd have pulled the trigger already.
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What happened to SI? Nice to SVC in the Upper Holte. Will be interesting to see what he has to say.
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People saying we should have been 3/4/5 up at half time are forgetting one fundamental fact - if we'd have scored once we wouldn't have tried to score again.
Correct and that is the problem with this manager. It was the stand out reason behind the wave of discontent in the summer, we all saw this coming, including the protesters who now look like soothsayers. Up or down at the end of the season he has to go. Unforgivable cowardice and a disgraceful approach to the game.
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For the first time this season, I thought we were a bit unlucky to lose that. The problem is, we're in the shit because of all the other times we weren't unlucky - just shit.
I'd go along with this. It's just a question of which Villa will turn up at the moment - the unlucky one or the shit one.
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What happened to SI? Nice to SVC in the Upper Holte. Will be interesting to see what he has to say.
seconded, where was stephen ireland?
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Only wolves have won less games than us in all 4 divisions of English football! Disgrace
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I was texted about 2pm today by a mate who said SI wouldn't be playing, But at the time I was told to keep it quiet as the club didn't want the imnfo out there ??
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for those of you watching in black and white this nightmare is in technicolour.................and won't have gone away when you wake up Randy
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I said in December we were in a relegation scrap and I got shot down, but I always believed we would be safe deep down, until now.
I am gutted, cannot see us getting another win (which I think we need).
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McLeish is like the Grim Reaper. We might go down, he cursed the noses last year and one of his former clubs Rangers are in danger of going out of business.
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YOYOYOYOY Bannan and Delfuenso before Carruthers? Is this some robot that replaced the Alex McLeish who had a long playing career and managed at international level and had his sporran sucked by Fergie, who had actually watched some football matches?
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What happened to SI? Nice to SVC in the Upper Holte. Will be interesting to see what he has to say.
seconded, where was stephen ireland?
Matt Kendrick reported that he had a hamstring injury.
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What happened to SI? Nice to SVC in the Upper Holte. Will be interesting to see what he has to say.
seconded, where was stephen ireland?
hamstring injury allegedly
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I suppose the likes of Bent would be on his way if we are in the championship . The real worry is that none of the money would be released for new signings as it would be used to compensate for the lost revenue associated with being relegated.
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Aston Villa 36
QPR 34
Wigan 34
Bolton 33
Blackburn 31
Wolverhampton 23
3 games to play, Bolton have 4.
Fucking hell!
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Left early tonight and considering the score at the time that isn't something I expected.
But I'd have come to blows with half the ground had I stayed. I am no McLeish apologist. I think he's fucking useless. I was Lerner's biggest fan until this season; but he has fucked up big time.
That being said, having 90% of the ground singing 'FUCK MCLEISH' with 5 minutes of normal time to go had me totally aghast. Fucking idiocy of the highest order. You want to send a message to Randy, fine, do it on the whistle. During the game try to bear in mind that half our team are children, for whom Alex McLeish is their managerial introduction to senior football. However crap he is, he is their main motivation for the rest of tonight and our remaining games this season. That kind of negativity with time left, for us to score a potentially vital goal, made me fucking sick and wonder if hey, maybe the media are right, our fans are a bunch of wankers?
As for the game? Thought we played OK, again no lack of commitment though clearly a lack of cutting edge. 2 minutes of shitting ourselves has cost us here. And Carlos to give away the pen! Everyones favourite, my fucking favourite. What can you do?!
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Only wolves have won less games than us in all 4 divisions of English football! Disgrace
Really ?
My God we are even worse than I thought.
Thanks Randy, you truly are a genius.
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1)Can't pass the ball
2)Can't play for 90 mins
3)Lots of injuries
Can't be a coincidence can it ...exactly what goes on in training ?
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My word what a mess....he simply has to fall on his sword now (which going by his post interview he wont) or be sacked...(which he wont) we are in deep deep shit now, make no bones about it. We are devoid of ideas, seemingly incapable of holding a lead (or properly defending) and tactically clueless. We are a eam destined for relagation with a manager experienced at delivering it. Worrying worrying times!!!
Without the abuse or emotion, please please just go McCleish. I'm sure you're a decent man, however not good enough to manage the Villa! I'm genuinely worried for our premier league safety now. What a mess!!
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Aston Villa 36
QPR 34
Wigan 34
Bolton 33
Blackburn 31
Wolverhampton 23
3 games to play, Bolton have 4.
Fucking hell!
I'll be more interested in QPR's games than ours now...right at this moment it's hard to see where a point is coming from let alone a win.
Goal difference vs QPR's is eroding as well...
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Disappointing but we need to focus on the positives. Didn't deserve to lose and have three cup finals to end the season.
According to our inspiring manager we've had 2 already and only have a point to show for it, and it could very easily have been no points at all.
Yep, he's a real motivator and tactical genius that one!
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Thats right, it's the fans fault.
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We're lucky that it wasn't Warnock giving away the penalty or else this place would be in meltdown.
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The compo we have to pay him for failing so spectacularly is miniscule to the amount we will lose by going down.
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Thats right, it's the fans fault.
Don't be simplistic. For me, it's partly Randy's fault, a bit O'Neills fault, and a lot McLeish's fault. But turning the atmosphere poisonous with 5 minutes left doesn't help our team of Academy grads try to force a potentially relegation avoiding equaliser across the line. Are you only capable of seeing things in such obvious stripes of black and white?
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My word what a mess....he simply has to fall on his sword now (which going by his post interview he wont)
He took Blues down twice, why would he resign with us? He can leave and let someone else try to keep us up, or stay, take us down, and get given millions for being a failure. What a very peculiar game football is.
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Tim Abraham from the express tweeted 6 mins ago that the press are still waiting for McCleish, so where have his comments come from???
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for those of you watching in black and white this nightmare is in technicolour.................and won't have gone away when you wake up Randy
My morning glory regularly dictates me waking up Randy.
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Aston Villa 36
QPR 34
Wigan 34
Bolton 33
Blackburn 31
Wolverhampton 23
3 games to play, Bolton have 4.
Fucking hell!
The league table doesn't lie and it tells us one thing; we are shit
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just read on sky, officially our worst home season in our entire history! have just cancelled my Genting account in protest including an e-mail to them.dont care if im petty just frustrated.i had supported mccleish but hope is gone. stomach churning. bleak future!
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for those of you watching in black and white this nightmare is in technicolour.................and won't have gone away when you wake up Randy
My morning glory regularly dictates me waking up Randy.
;D
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Thats right, it's the fans fault.
Don't be simplistic. For me, it's partly Randy's fault, a bit O'Neills fault, and a lot McLeish's fault. But turning the atmosphere poisonous with 5 minutes left doesn't help our team of Academy grads try to force a potentially relegation avoiding equaliser across the line. Are you only capable of seeing things in such obvious stripes of black and white?
No. I think our fans have been amazingly patient this season considering the dross that has been served up and just lost it tonight in frustration. The blames lies with the chairman for the apointment of the manager. An expert in relegation and thats what we've got. Regardless of the fans support, this was inevitable.
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have just cancelled my Genting account in protest including an e-mail to them.dont care if im petty just frustrated.i had supported mccleish but hope is gone. stomach churning. bleak future!
That might be the most bizarre thing I've ever read.
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Tell you what else pissed me off tonight. 'Villa' fans celebrating a Chelsea goal while walking down the Witton Lane after our defeat.
Sure they were only 6 years old but I still wanted to give 'em a whack ;)
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what's going to sink us is the lack of confidence and belief. Right now, what differentiates those who stay up and those who succumb is mental strength. Given our record in the past 3 months, and the run to come I don't see how mentally, let alone from a quality standpoint not sure we are going to find a way to pull this off.
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Left early tonight and considering the score at the time that isn't something I expected.
But I'd have come to blows with half the ground had I stayed. I am no McLeish apologist. I think he's fucking useless. I was Lerner's biggest fan until this season; but he has fucked up big time.
That being said, having 90% of the ground singing 'FUCK MCLEISH' with 5 minutes of normal time to go had me totally aghast. Fucking idiocy of the highest order. You want to send a message to Randy, fine, do it on the whistle. During the game try to bear in mind that half our team are children, for whom Alex McLeish is their managerial introduction to senior football. However crap he is, he is their main motivation for the rest of tonight and our remaining games this season. That kind of negativity with time left, for us to score a potentially vital goal, made me fucking sick and wonder if hey, maybe the media are right, our fans are a bunch of wankers?
As for the game? Thought we played OK, again no lack of commitment though clearly a lack of cutting edge. 2 minutes of shitting ourselves has cost us here. And Carlos to give away the pen! Everyones favourite, my fucking favourite. What can you do?!
Yeah. Shit fans.
Probably their fault we've only won 4 games at home this season too.
What about our shit form on the road too though -where it's widely acknowledged our support is generally first rate?
If anything, I've been amazed at the tolerance of our supporters this season.
A few murmurs v Wigan away, but - apart from that- he hasn't come in for the abuse his contribution probably merits.
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Bollocks. Fuck. Shit. Crap.
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Left early tonight and considering the score at the time that isn't something I expected.
But I'd have come to blows with half the ground had I stayed. I am no McLeish apologist. I think he's fucking useless. I was Lerner's biggest fan until this season; but he has fucked up big time.
That being said, having 90% of the ground singing 'FUCK MCLEISH' with 5 minutes of normal time to go had me totally aghast. Fucking idiocy of the highest order. You want to send a message to Randy, fine, do it on the whistle. During the game try to bear in mind that half our team are children, for whom Alex McLeish is their managerial introduction to senior football. However crap he is, he is their main motivation for the rest of tonight and our remaining games this season. That kind of negativity with time left, for us to score a potentially vital goal, made me fucking sick and wonder if hey, maybe the media are right, our fans are a bunch of wankers?
As for the game? Thought we played OK, again no lack of commitment though clearly a lack of cutting edge. 2 minutes of shitting ourselves has cost us here. And Carlos to give away the pen! Everyones favourite, my fucking favourite. What can you do?!
I see what you're saying, but he has been in charge for 35 league games, and has been given plenty of good will. It has taken 35 games for the fans to have a real go at him, which I think is pretty fair
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Didn't see the game tonight as my first child was born yesterday, and watching him asleep seemed much more appealing. I've pieced together the game from reports and this thread, but can someone tell me what the 'abuse' was like that the fans game McLeish? Was it just at the final whistle, or was there prolonged chanting? Small minority joining in or was it the noisy majority? Hopefully by the time my son is old enough to come with me to Villa Park we'll have a manager to proud of and be back in the top flight! UTV
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Thats right, it's the fans fault.
Don't be simplistic. For me, it's partly Randy's fault, a bit O'Neills fault, and a lot McLeish's fault. But turning the atmosphere poisonous with 5 minutes left doesn't help our team of Academy grads try to force a potentially relegation avoiding equaliser across the line. Are you only capable of seeing things in such obvious stripes of black and white?
No. I think our fans have been amazingly patient this season considering the dross that has been served up and just lost it tonight in frustration. The blames lies with the chairman for the apointment of the manager. An expert in relegation and thats what we've got. Regardless of the fans support, this was inevitable.
I'd agree with you about him being a chance til now. Sadly, 'now' is what it's come down to. We're all frustrated... I'm not exactly calm tonight ffs. I just think anyone capable of applying a bit of brain power would have realised that all that mattered, until the final whistle tonight, was getting behind the lads. I find it very difficult to understand any other mentality.
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just read on sky, officially our worst home season in our entire history! have just cancelled my Genting account in protest including an e-mail to them.dont care if im petty just frustrated.i had supported mccleish but hope is gone. stomach churning. bleak future!
Wtf??! Will you be refusing to buy any Scottish manufactured dog walking devices too?
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Yeah, the best time to made your thoughts known, as a collective crowd, is when the manager and players have walked off the pitch, and when the cameras have stopped rolling...hang on.
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just read on sky, officially our worst home season in our entire history! have just cancelled my Genting account in protest including an e-mail to them.dont care if im petty just frustrated.i had supported mccleish but hope is gone. stomach churning. bleak future!
Wtf??! Will you be refusing to buy any Scottish manufactured dog walking devices too?
I am definitely stealing that.
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According to twitter the press are still waiting for McLeish to turn up for the press conference!
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Calming down and getting back to basics, it is historically impossible for any manager to take a squad with that much proven and potential talent and produce stats that bad. Are KMac and Sid so weak that they cannot give him even a hint?
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Didn't see the game tonight as my first child was born yesterday, and watching him asleep seemed much more appealing. I've pieced together the game from reports and this thread, but can someone tell me what the 'abuse' was like that the fans game McLeish? Was it just at the final whistle, or was there prolonged chanting? Small minority joining in or was it the noisy majority? Hopefully by the time my son is old enough to come with me to Villa Park we'll have a manager to proud of and be back in the top flight! UTV
congrats Beds. Enjoy the moment. Villa is a long way from my thoughts when I look at my two little girls.
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Come on, I'm not blaming Villa fans for the season. I'm blaming McLeish and Randy more than anyone. But on a game by game basis the atmosphere tonight was fucking poisonous with 10 minutes left, and a more positive atmosphere might have helped us grab a goal. That's all. To me, on the Holte, on 80 minutes, all that mattered was equalising. Protest about the manager later, he ain't getting subbed before the end of this game.
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After the way we lost tonight, we could easily lose the next three imo.
Which I think would relegate us.
I really am starting to think the unthinkable now. Honestly you'd have had to be a proper doomonger to imagine all this happening two years ago.
Awful.
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Left early tonight and considering the score at the time that isn't something I expected.
But I'd have come to blows with half the ground had I stayed. I am no McLeish apologist. I think he's fucking useless. I was Lerner's biggest fan until this season; but he has fucked up big time.
That being said, having 90% of the ground singing 'FUCK MCLEISH' with 5 minutes of normal time to go had me totally aghast. Fucking idiocy of the highest order. You want to send a message to Randy, fine, do it on the whistle. During the game try to bear in mind that half our team are children, for whom Alex McLeish is their managerial introduction to senior football. However crap he is, he is their main motivation for the rest of tonight and our remaining games this season. That kind of negativity with time left, for us to score a potentially vital goal, made me fucking sick and wonder if hey, maybe the media are right, our fans are a bunch of wankers?
As for the game? Thought we played OK, again no lack of commitment though clearly a lack of cutting edge. 2 minutes of shitting ourselves has cost us here. And Carlos to give away the pen! Everyones favourite, my fucking favourite. What can you do?!
Are crazy/mental Mcleish hasn't been able to motivate the team for a whole bloody season what in Christ name makes you think he could of done it with just 5 minutes left,? he deserves what he got its just a shame we never started earlier.And before you start cussing people about supporting there team for a whole match try not leaving early!!
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Left early tonight and considering the score at the time that isn't something I expected.
But I'd have come to blows with half the ground had I stayed. I am no McLeish apologist. I think he's fucking useless. I was Lerner's biggest fan until this season; but he has fucked up big time.
That being said, having 90% of the ground singing 'FUCK MCLEISH' with 5 minutes of normal time to go had me totally aghast. Fucking idiocy of the highest order. You want to send a message to Randy, fine, do it on the whistle. During the game try to bear in mind that half our team are children, for whom Alex McLeish is their managerial introduction to senior football. However crap he is, he is their main motivation for the rest of tonight and our remaining games this season. That kind of negativity with time left, for us to score a potentially vital goal, made me fucking sick and wonder if hey, maybe the media are right, our fans are a bunch of wankers?
As for the game? Thought we played OK, again no lack of commitment though clearly a lack of cutting edge. 2 minutes of shitting ourselves has cost us here. And Carlos to give away the pen! Everyones favourite, my fucking favourite. What can you do?!
This post has me"totally Aghast" .......we played okay are you for real!
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Fergal loves a poll.
I can't for a second see that it would not be 100% out now.
I do like a poll, just wondering if it will be around the 80 odd % it was last time.
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yep. :)
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I wasn't there but I'd imagine the constant long balls getting us no where and once again our hopelesness at corners was a factor in fans just giving up.
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Yeah, the best time to made your thoughts known, as a collective crowd, is when the manager and players have walked off the pitch, and when the cameras have stopped rolling...hang on.
How about when the whistle goes? While all cameras are still on the pitch, but any negativity won't affect the result of the game?
Explain what's wrong with that? Or is logically flawed sarcasm all you have to defend that shit tonight.?
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Didn't see the game tonight as my first child was born yesterday, and watching him asleep seemed much more appealing. I've pieced together the game from reports and this thread, but can someone tell me what the 'abuse' was like that the fans game McLeish? Was it just at the final whistle, or was there prolonged chanting? Small minority joining in or was it the noisy majority? Hopefully by the time my son is old enough to come with me to Villa Park we'll have a manager to proud of and be back in the top flight! UTV
congrats Beds. Enjoy the moment. Villa is a long way from my thoughts when I look at my two little girls.
Cheers mate, he certainly seems to have had a calming effect on me tonight. Just want him to be proud of the Villa crest baby grow he's got when he gets home with his Mum!
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Day started great with my wife giving birth to our first child, and then at 9.30pm I log on to 'Score Centre' to see that pile of shit! TBH it's no longer worth getting worked up about it! The only way Villa stay up is if the teams below mess it up.
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Left early tonight and considering the score at the time that isn't something I expected.
But I'd have come to blows with half the ground had I stayed. I am no McLeish apologist. I think he's fucking useless. I was Lerner's biggest fan until this season; but he has fucked up big time.
That being said, having 90% of the ground singing 'FUCK MCLEISH' with 5 minutes of normal time to go had me totally aghast. Fucking idiocy of the highest order. You want to send a message to Randy, fine, do it on the whistle. During the game try to bear in mind that half our team are children, for whom Alex McLeish is their managerial introduction to senior football. However crap he is, he is their main motivation for the rest of tonight and our remaining games this season. That kind of negativity with time left, for us to score a potentially vital goal, made me fucking sick and wonder if hey, maybe the media are right, our fans are a bunch of wankers?
As for the game? Thought we played OK, again no lack of commitment though clearly a lack of cutting edge. 2 minutes of shitting ourselves has cost us here. And Carlos to give away the pen! Everyones favourite, my fucking favourite. What can you do?!
This post has me"totally Aghast" .......we played okay are you for real!
Dominated the game. Created little. Only looked in trouble for a 5 minute spell after we scored.
I'd say overall we weren't awful tonight. Certainly the better team on balance of play. Your view?
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I wasn't there but I'd imagine the constant long balls getting us no where and once again our hopelesness at corners was a factor in fans just giving up.
You big fat liar
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They looked the more likely to get a goal in the last five minutes.
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From being in control, to scoring, to complete shit against a shit team in 3 minutes. How the fuck did that happen?!?!?!
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as per the name no wind up but as an unfortunate who had to suffer the ginger fool for nigh on 3 bloody years couldn't help but look on in amazement at the replies here, simply change the colour scheme and date and go back a year and it's almost exactly the same accusations levelled at him by the more discerning Blues fans.
Seriously I'm all for banter but imo no football fan deserves this guy in charge of their team so genuinely understand the pain and not here to pour petrol on the fire.
A couple of things, it's hard to say how you'd fare in the championship without knowing exactly what you've got to work with but my inclination is you'd piss it, however, if by some miracle he isn't sacked ( and remember we weren't going to sack him even after he'd took us down for the second time :o ) then prepare for more miserable footy on the field even if you win the divison. The year he bought us back up was atrocious in terms of quality and should have dispelled any doubts then ( sadly it didn't for some of us ) when even with arguably the divisions strongest squad he still played defensive long ball fayre, as a Blues fan whose seen his fair share of promotions and relegations, that promotion under McLeish ranks down there with some of the poorest relegations, it's got sweet F.A to do with what he has at his disposal, it's in his DNA to be negative.
Saw the second half tonight, trust me, it wasn't even close to Blues against Fulham last season, a fair result in that game would have been 8 or 9 nil to the cottagers and Andy Johnson was grinning in disbelief at the shambolic nature of our side that day, you haven't got that low yet, you weren't good but you t least tried, we completely surrendered that day.
A lot of Blues fans currently think we might be better off not going up as it may force Carson to sell, in that vein, though it seems 99 per cent want ging out, what would you prefer given a straight choice of only two options, going down and ging out, or him keeping you up and satrting next season in charge ?
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I think the gig is up for Villa.
We had most of the game for the first hour. Hit the bar, hit the post, cut out chances.
Then we scored - and it was no-more than we deserved.
Then they kicked off and got a penalty. Sat in the Lower Holte, I don't know what happened, or if it was the correct decision. They scored. We kicked off and within a minute they scored what looked like a tap-in.
We didn't recover from that punch in the guts, and I don't think we will over the next three games. Teams below us will catch us because we don't have another result in us.
Many had reservations when this manager was appointed, but I doubt many of us actually realised just how cataclismicly bad a decision by Mr Lerner it actually would be.
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Millwall away anyone?
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It is his fault though, because everything he has done has lead to this point. He may not have physically conceded the penalty, but he has destroyed every player's confidence.
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Tonight's defeat is not McLeish's fault. He didn't tell Cuellar an experienced defender to make a clumsy challenge. He didn't tell them to panic behind belief to let the second in. It is entirely McLeish's fault that we are where we are at this stage in the season.
Slowly but surely he is taking us down. Small Heath had 38 points with 5 games to go and were relegated on 39 points.
IT IS A FRIGHTENING STAT!
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Didn't learn the lesson from the sunderland game and went for it. Should have shut up shop and gone for a draw but he's listening to the fans now. fuck attacking football, i want to stay up. now we may have to go for it and i'm not sure we can.
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Didn't see the game tonight as my first child was born yesterday, and watching him asleep seemed much more appealing. I've pieced together the game from reports and this thread, but can someone tell me what the 'abuse' was like that the fans game McLeish? Was it just at the final whistle, or was there prolonged chanting? Small minority joining in or was it the noisy majority? Hopefully by the time my son is old enough to come with me to Villa Park we'll have a manager to proud of and be back in the top flight! UTV
Do your son a favour. Encourage him to study law or accountancy and hence rugby and cricket. If he must like football, ManUre or post-Fergie glory hunter equivalent. If he must like Villa, prepare him for a life of disappointment by encouraging skills in signing on or van driving or sucking up American entrepreneur bullshit.
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Spot on. The lack of leaders on the pitch has been an issue for ages. Robbie Keane stood out like a sore thumb for that very reason.
I love Cuellar but Captain material??? He wouldn't say boo to a goose.
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Played well first half and should have scored at least one of the chances. Heskey had a good game until he came off. The game changed when they brought on Davis who held the ball up and won a few free kicks. Our midfield then started to get over run and it was men against boys. Thought he should have changed it then as you could see we were all over the shop, even though we scored.
Cant say I can blame the thousands who were chanting for him to go but IMO doesnt help a team who are low on confidence.
We just dont seem to have any leaders on the pitch, the bench or in the boardroom. Rudderless ship and sinking fast.
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Millwall away anyone?
Can't wait
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Day started great with my wife giving birth to our first child, and then at 9.30pm I log on to 'Score Centre' to see that pile of shit! TBH it's no longer worth getting worked up about it! The only way Villa stay up is if the teams below mess it up.
congratulations on your baby avoid names like Alex or Randy :D
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Didn't see the game tonight as my first child was born yesterday, and watching him asleep seemed much more appealing. I've pieced together the game from reports and this thread, but can someone tell me what the 'abuse' was like that the fans game McLeish? Was it just at the final whistle, or was there prolonged chanting? Small minority joining in or was it the noisy majority? Hopefully by the time my son is old enough to come with me to Villa Park we'll have a manager to proud of and be back in the top flight! UTV
Do your son a favour. Encourage him to study law or accountancy and hence rugby and cricket. If he must like football, ManUre or post-Fergie glory hunter equivalent. If he must like Villa, prepare him for a life of disappointment by encouraging skills in signing on or van driving or sucking up American entrepreneur bullshit.
Fuck that, get him to pick a league 2 side. Anything can happen down there.
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An absolutely scandalous home defeat tonight on a par with losing 1-0 to Preston in 1968 and 2-0 to Watford in 1969. We actually finally escaped after the first but got relegated the next season after the second.
When a team can not only snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but achieve it within a couple of minutes you know things are rotten to the core. If we do escape it will be because of some sudden event in a game, such is the nature of football, a team is all over us and we suddenly go up the other end and get a lucky break. Or maybe QPR or Wigan have a terrible run and lose every game and do not catch us.
What I can absolutely categorically guarantee is that Alex Mcleish will not be capable of improving the teams level of performance in the last 3 games so that we are the better team in a game and then deservedly win the game. On that basis he should simply be dismissed first thing tomorrow morning. He is a liability and a distraction to the most important matter which is to simply find a way of acquiring some points in the final 3 games.
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Day started great with my wife giving birth to our first child, and then at 9.30pm I log on to 'Score Centre' to see that pile of shit! TBH it's no longer worth getting worked up about it! The only way Villa stay up is if the teams below mess it up.
Congrats, Nasty. There *is* more to life than football.
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Yeah, the best time to made your thoughts known, as a collective crowd, is when the manager and players have walked off the pitch, and when the cameras have stopped rolling...hang on.
How about when the whistle goes? While all cameras are still on the pitch, but any negativity won't affect the result of the game?
Explain what's wrong with that? Or is logically flawed sarcasm all you have to defend that shit tonight.?
They've been booed off the pitch more times than I can remember this season.
Ideally, people would just stop buying tickets. I know it's not that popular, but attendances are already at around 32-33k every week, if they dropped to below 30,000, maybe it'd send a message.
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as per the name no wind up but as an unfortunate who had to suffer the ginger fool for nigh on 3 bloody years couldn't help but look on in amazement at the replies here, simply change the colour scheme and date and go back a year and it's almost exactly the same accusations levelled at him by the more discerning Blues fans.
Seriously I'm all for banter but imo no football fan deserves this guy in charge of their team so genuinely understand the pain and not here to pour petrol on the fire.
A couple of things, it's hard to say how you'd fare in the championship without knowing exactly what you've got to work with but my inclination is you'd piss it, however, if by some miracle he isn't sacked ( and remember we weren't going to sack him even after he'd took us down for the second time :o ) then prepare for more miserable footy on the field even if you win the divison. The year he bought us back up was atrocious in terms of quality and should have dispelled any doubts then ( sadly it didn't for some of us ) when even with arguably the divisions strongest squad he still played defensive long ball fayre, as a Blues fan whose seen his fair share of promotions and relegations, that promotion under McLeish ranks down there with some of the poorest relegations, it's got sweet F.A to do with what he has at his disposal, it's in his DNA to be negative.
Saw the second half tonight, trust me, it wasn't even close to Blues against Fulham last season, a fair result in that game would have been 8 or 9 nil to the cottagers and Andy Johnson was grinning in disbelief at the shambolic nature of our side that day, you haven't got that low yet, you weren't good but you t least tried, we completely surrendered that day.
A lot of Blues fans currently think we might be better off not going up as it may force Carson to sell, in that vein, though it seems 99 per cent want ging out, what would you prefer given a straight choice of only two options, going down and ging out, or him keeping you up and satrting next season in charge ?
Welcome.
Are those the only two options? How about amputating a limb?
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We'd do well to get 25k next year in the Championship
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A couple of things, it's hard to say how you'd fare in the championship without knowing exactly what you've got to work with but my
Don't worry mate we won't be in the championship.
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Day started great with my wife giving birth to our first child, and then at 9.30pm I log on to 'Score Centre' to see that pile of shit! TBH it's no longer worth getting worked up about it! The only way Villa stay up is if the teams below mess it up.
Congratulations to both of you.
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My predictions (assuming the sloth from Goonies is still in charge of our club tomorrow morning):
Villa 36 points + 1 = 37 points
Baggies [A] - L
Spurs [H] - L
Norwich [A] - D
QPR 34 points + 4 = 38 points
Chelsea [A] - D
Stoke [H] - W
Man City [A] - L
Wigan - 34 points + 7 = 41 points
Newcastle [H] - D
Blackburn [A] - W
Wolves [H] - W
Bolton - 33 points + 6 = 39 points
Sunderland [A] - D
Spurs [H] - D
Baggies [H] - W
Stoke [A] - D
Blackburn - 31 points +3 = 34 points
Spurs A - L
Wigan A - L
Chelsea A - W
Assuming I'm on the money with this (might have been a bit optimistic with the Villa draw), this would be my final table:
15 - Wigan - 41 points
16 - Bolton - 39 points
17 - QPR - 38 points
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18 - Villa - 37 points
19 - Blackburn - 34 points
20 - Wolves - already gone
We've had it unless he's out before the Baggies game. Show some bollocks Lerner before it's too late - Come back Doug, all is forgiven**
**Never thought I'd hear myself EVER saying that!
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Sorry Pablo, I understand your feelings.
I disagree with your comments,considering the total Anti Mcfuckwit position most fans had from his appointment,he has had an easy ride.
Most gave him the benifit of the doubt, if you saw the same game as me at 85 mins, I doubt we would have scored with an extra 20 mins to play and the vocal support of the Heavenly choir.
The man is a decent human but out of his depth at Aston Villa.
The fans have every right to make a noise when every one is listening to make their point.
Sack him now and get the fans behind the team for the last three games.
This is a no win situation for him and Lerner, can you imagine the outcry with him in charge next season, be it Premier or championship when we start off with a couple of draws !
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Regarding the "Villa are ours, fuck off McLeish" chant, they started with about four minutes to go. And to be fair I joined in, out of pure frustration. I know it wasn't big or clever and it sure wouldn't have helped the team. But by then I felt the game was lost. I couldn't see us getting back into it. The momentum had gone.
The thing that surprised me was that the chants hadn't started sooner.
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So tonight we see Mcleish for the hopelss loser he is. Unable to respond to a change in tactics by the other side. Unable to instill any form of confidence into his players. Unable to set up a team to play against one of the worst teams in the PL. Unable to influence the game or to provide any form of leadership.
Utterly, utterly devoid of any managerial skill whatsoever. The club deserve this after appointing the clown in the face of such opposition but for the life of me I don't know what Villa fans have done to deserve him.
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Left early tonight and considering the score at the time that isn't something I expected.
But I'd have come to blows with half the ground had I stayed. I am no McLeish apologist. I think he's fucking useless. I was Lerner's biggest fan until this season; but he has fucked up big time.
That being said, having 90% of the ground singing 'FUCK MCLEISH' with 5 minutes of normal time to go had me totally aghast. Fucking idiocy of the highest order. You want to send a message to Randy, fine, do it on the whistle. During the game try to bear in mind that half our team are children, for whom Alex McLeish is their managerial introduction to senior football. However crap he is, he is their main motivation for the rest of tonight and our remaining games this season. That kind of negativity with time left, for us to score a potentially vital goal, made me fucking sick and wonder if hey, maybe the media are right, our fans are a bunch of wankers?
As for the game? Thought we played OK, again no lack of commitment though clearly a lack of cutting edge. 2 minutes of shitting ourselves has cost us here. And Carlos to give away the pen! Everyones favourite, my fucking favourite. What can you do?!
This post has me"totally Aghast" .......we played okay are you for real!
Dominated the game. Created little. Only looked in trouble for a 5 minute spell after we scored.
I'd say overall we weren't awful tonight. Certainly the better team on balance of play. Your view?
We are at home against a poor team that came to not get beaten how many times did we really test the keeper?
We only played okay in your eyes because we pumped the ball up to Heskey who to be fair did well!
When Heskey went off we still pumped the ball up to heskey nothing about tonights performance looked okay to me.
fair play to Bolton smash and grab whatever you want to call it at least they had a game plan that worked
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Yeah, the best time to made your thoughts known, as a collective crowd, is when the manager and players have walked off the pitch, and when the cameras have stopped rolling...hang on.
How about when the whistle goes? While all cameras are still on the pitch, but any negativity won't affect the result of the game?
Explain what's wrong with that? Or is logically flawed sarcasm all you have to defend that shit tonight.?
They've been booed off the pitch more times than I can remember this season.
Ideally, people would just stop buying tickets. I know it's not that popular, but attendances are already at around 32-33k every week, if they dropped to below 30,000, maybe it'd send a message.
There's been no prolonged, directed chanting at Mcleish post match that I've seen. I've missed about 5 home games this year though. A general boo when the whistle goes isn't the same as 30,000 people singing 'Fuck off Mcleish, the Villa is ours' . Yet there's no reason why this couldn't be done at full time instead.
It simply cant help the players, during the game that's all that matters. I've lived darn sarf for most of my life, and some of Portsmouth's relegation escapology has been unbelievable to witness. (Not this season obviously). Point is it really does show the difference that a crowd can make to a football team, even a crap one. I also spent half an hour yesterday explaining to a Manchester United supporting nurse why Villa fans aren't all negative and definitely aren't fickle!!1
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We did play ok tonight - about as well as we could expect from the XI we had out there for sixty minutes but when the team needed a leader at 2-1 down, the manager did absolutely nothing of note. All shape was lost, young players who look like energetic puppies when they are on top, suddenly look like lost, erm, hedgehogs. The worst thing is the manager (and board) can hide behind injuries and "the kids" when performance levels with them in the team have certainly been no worse than they were under the senior players. We are not going down because of a good performance suckered by two minutes of madness or because we have players out. When he had Darren Bent stood up front begging for a goal he decided to play full backs on the wing. He's awful and will revert to type for the last three games, try and grind out a couple of points and hope for the best. He's hardly likely to come up with some sort of masterplan now.
This doesn't actually feel real. I think there's always a lot of gallows humour amongst Villa fans and that has been the case recently but deep down I don't think any of us expected this to happen. All we need is one pissing win!
Two Wembley appearances to this in two years. It's absolutely sickening.
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LERNER - PULL THE TRIGGER NOW AND AT LEAST GIVE US A FIGHTING CHANCE.
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Just got back from the game. Shocking, clueless tactics. Just heard the interview on SSN, the man remains as clueless as ever. I'm pleased the Holte End turned on him tonight. Taking Heskey off when he was getting joy out of their defenders to put Gabby on and then go long ball, replacing Herd and pushing the waste of space N'Zogbia into the middle, when he was fucking terrible all night was a joke. I hate the man, I hate his inept managment of our football club. The guy is an expert at taking clubs down and that's where we are heading. What is it with second half performances? Awful. I am so very angry with the man and Randy and Faulkner.
Those of you saying that the McLeish out chants don't help the players. Don't talk shit. They are fucking crap anyway and were 2-1 down before it started.
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I'm not sure we'd be better off sacking him now really. I'm really not. How capable is kMac at this level? The only real evidence is a dirty great 6 nil defeat at Newcastle.
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I can't add anything that hasn't already been said. The reality is we're a poor team with an awful manager. That was a Championship team out there tonight and that's exactly where we're heading. The argument about injuries doesn't stack up - this clown managed to accrue 15 points from the first 13 games when we had a full squad and a relatively easy start, and he's managed to stick to his career average of a point a game ever since.
And yes, I was among the 90% chanting 'fuck off McLeish, the Villa is ours' - with 5 minutes to go the frustration of an entire season was just too much to keep in any longer.
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Regarding the "Villa are ours, fuck off McLeish" chant, they started with about four minutes to go. And to be fair I joined in, out of pure frustration. I know it wasn't big or clever and it sure wouldn't have helped the team. But by then I felt the game was lost. I couldn't see us getting back into it. The momentum had gone.
The thing that surprised me was that the chants hadn't started sooner.
The game was over the minute Bolton scored their second goal.
I actually think McLeish has had a pretty easy ride from the fans so far - Houllier got it worse last season.
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Millwall away anyone?
Or Stevenage?
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I can't add anything that hasn't already been said. The reality is we're a poor team with an awful manager. That was a Championship team out there tonight and that's exactly where we're heading. The argument about injuries doesn't stack up - this clown managed to accrue 15 points from the first 13 games when we had a full squad and a relatively easy start, and he's managed to stick to his career average of a point a game ever since.
And yes, I was among the 90% chanting 'fuck off McLeish, the Villa is ours' - with 5 minutes to go the frustration of an entire season was just too much to keep in any longer.
Totally agree
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James Nursey has twweted "Lerner was at the game and is still backing Big Eck". I'moff to weep into my pillow
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Lerner was there tonight according to tweets I've read. let's hope he makes a positive decision tomorrow and doesn't hide away.
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Good grief that was a fucking pathetic couple of minutes conceding those two goals. I was actually so angry by the end of the game I could barely speak. I'm quite sure that we're going down now, can't see us getting another point let alone winning another game.
I was hoping that he would have been sacked by the time I got home. It's got to the stage where I don't think I want to even watch our last three games. Shittest manager in the league, tempered with some players who clearly don't give a fuck either.
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A couple of things, it's hard to say how you'd fare in the championship without knowing exactly what you've got to work with but my
Don't worry mate we won't be in the championship.
I wish I was as confident as you. Please tell me you know something I don't
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Taking Heskey off when he was getting joy out of their defenders to put Gabby on and then go long ball
Those of you saying that the McLeish out chants don't help the players. Don't talk shit. They are fucking crap anyway and were 2-1 down before it started.
I already explained this to a girl on the train that wanted McLeish shot. Heskey was INJURED. He bottled a fifty fifty, got whinged at by the Holte (including me, thought he was just being a tumbling bear as per...) and stopped moving for 60 seconds whilst clutching his leg before his substitution.
As for the last bit. How does the score at the time necessarily reflect the impact of a negative group atmosphere on the same players during a different period of the match? (p.s. sorry to talk shit)
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I'm not sure we'd be better off sacking him now really. I'm really not. How capable is kMac at this level? The only real evidence is a dirty great 6 nil defeat at Newcastle.
Really?! HOW could KMac and Sid do any worse? With a little bit of instruction to the players instead of blindly shoving them out onto the pitch, we'd be more than capable of clawing the couple of points we need for survival.
Watching him on the touchline, all he reminds me of is a rabbit staring down the headlights of a speeding truck. Utterly clueless. Put the bloody tea lady in charge - I don't care who, but not him!
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Yeah, the best time to made your thoughts known, as a collective crowd, is when the manager and players have walked off the pitch, and when the cameras have stopped rolling...hang on.
How about when the whistle goes? While all cameras are still on the pitch, but any negativity won't affect the result of the game?
Explain what's wrong with that? Or is logically flawed sarcasm all you have to defend that shit tonight.?
They've been booed off the pitch more times than I can remember this season.
Ideally, people would just stop buying tickets. I know it's not that popular, but attendances are already at around 32-33k every week, if they dropped to below 30,000, maybe it'd send a message.
There's been no prolonged, directed chanting at Mcleish post match that I've seen. I've missed about 5 home games this year though. A general boo when the whistle goes isn't the same as 30,000 people singing 'Fuck off Mcleish, the Villa is ours' . Yet there's no reason why this couldn't be done at full time instead.
It simply cant help the players, during the game that's all that matters. I've lived darn sarf for most of my life, and some of Portsmouth's relegation escapology has been unbelievable to witness. (Not this season obviously). Point is it really does show the difference that a crowd can make to a football team, even a crap one. I also spent half an hour yesterday explaining to a Manchester United supporting nurse why Villa fans aren't all negative and definitely aren't fickle!!1
I really don't think you can have a go at the support. We've won once at home since November (an injury time goalkeeping error) and this is the first major pop at AML there's been - after 85 minites in the penultimate home match of the season while losing to a relegation contender.
I think there's been remarkable restraint considering.
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James Nursey has twweted "Lerner was at the game and is still backing Big Eck". I'moff to weep into my pillow
Its a big fucking late taking an interest now.
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That being said, having 90% of the ground singing 'FUCK MCLEISH' with 5 minutes of normal time to go had me totally aghast. Fucking idiocy of the highest order. You want to send a message to Randy, fine, do it on the whistle. During the game try to bear in mind that half our team are children, for whom Alex McLeish is their managerial introduction to senior football. However crap he is, he is their main motivation for the rest of tonight and our remaining games this season. That kind of negativity with time left, for us to score a potentially vital goal, made me fucking sick and wonder if hey, maybe the media are right, our fans are a bunch of wankers?
Sorry I disagree 100%. This is exactly what the old directors used to say in 1968 when fans would turns their backs on the game and chant `The board must go`. The club right now is rotten to the core with inept management and an absent owner. This is much more than simply a poor run of results.
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Just back from the game after a much neeed beer.
We are now well in a relegation battle.
I was against the appointment of McLeish, not because of the Blues connection, but because I knew, like many, what he would do to the side. He looks like a relegation specialist.
This could get messy.
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I'm not sure we'd be better off sacking him now really. I'm really not. How capable is kMac at this level? The only real evidence is a dirty great 6 nil defeat at Newcastle.
In fairness we won the 2 games either side of that defeat (West Ham and Everton) and those 6 points played a big part in keeping us up last year, although we did go out of the Europa under him.
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James Nursey has twweted "Lerner was at the game and is still backing Big Eck". I'moff to weep into my pillow
He's obviously an idiot. Unless 'Avoiding Relegation', even if by goal difference, was in the job speck.
Deadly Doug please show him how it's done.
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James Nursey has twweted "Lerner was at the game and is still backing Big Eck". I'moff to weep into my pillow
I think if we had known Lerner was there, the anti Mcleish chants would have been louder still. May have been a few chants against soembody else too.
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Unfortunately nobody is backing Randy or McLeish. He'll probably bring Craig White in to replace Faulkner.
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Yeah, the best time to made your thoughts known, as a collective crowd, is when the manager and players have walked off the pitch, and when the cameras have stopped rolling...hang on.
How about when the whistle goes? While all cameras are still on the pitch, but any negativity won't affect the result of the game?
Explain what's wrong with that? Or is logically flawed sarcasm all you have to defend that shit tonight.?
They've been booed off the pitch more times than I can remember this season.
Ideally, people would just stop buying tickets. I know it's not that popular, but attendances are already at around 32-33k every week, if they dropped to below 30,000, maybe it'd send a message.
There's been no prolonged, directed chanting at Mcleish post match that I've seen. I've missed about 5 home games this year though. A general boo when the whistle goes isn't the same as 30,000 people singing 'Fuck off Mcleish, the Villa is ours' . Yet there's no reason why this couldn't be done at full time instead.
It simply cant help the players, during the game that's all that matters. I've lived darn sarf for most of my life, and some of Portsmouth's relegation escapology has been unbelievable to witness. (Not this season obviously). Point is it really does show the difference that a crowd can make to a football team, even a crap one. I also spent half an hour yesterday explaining to a Manchester United supporting nurse why Villa fans aren't all negative and definitely aren't fickle!!1
I really don't think you can have a go at the support. We've won once at home since November (an injury time goalkeeping error) and this is the first major pop at AML there's been - after 85 minites in the penultimate home match of the season while losing to a relegation contender.
I think there's been remarkable restraint considering.
Fair play, I agree he's had an easy ride thus far. It was just a savage atmosphere and I felt for the young lads trying to get a goal during that.
The last bit of my first post was OTT and I've calmed down a bit now so apologies if anyone took offence.
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His assessment of why we didn't score is that we're not aggressive enough when going for flick-ons. He really doesn't actually understand attacking.
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Interview now up on the Beeb:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17834588 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17834588)
Mentioned that Davies made the difference for them.... WELL WHY DIDN'T YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AT THE BLOODY TIME THEN!?!
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His assessment of why we didn't score is that we're not aggressive enough when going for flick-ons. He really doesn't actually understand attacking.
The real worry is in the little things, little things like this.
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The thought of Randy Lerner backing McCleish after 35, mostly shit league games makes me feel very sad indeed. I am stunned by tonight's events.
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I was dreading them bringing on Davies. That's how sad it is to be a Villa fan now. We completely lost the midfield battle in the second half too, which is odd, considering they only had one fit midfielder.
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His assessment of why we didn't score is that we're not aggressive enough when going for flick-ons. He really doesn't actually understand attacking.
The real worry is in the little things, little things like this.
Yes. It's not the dull, unadventurous football for the entire season, it's missing Petrov's shots from the edge of the box, and aggression at flick ons that's the big problem The delusional twat.
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going into that game on the attack and worse still broadcasting the fact to the media was rank stupidity., If you've got no teeth you don't try and bite them
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We are now well in a relegation battle.
Couldn't disagree more.
Bolton, Blackburn, QPR and Wigan are in a relegation battle.
Do be in a battle you have to show some fight.
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Took my mate who is a Sheff Utd fan.
He thought Villa were brilliant first half and unlucky not to be 2 or 3 up, their penatly was dubious and the defending for their second completely shit.
Overall he thought Bolton were the more professional side who came to do a job and did it, didn't panic when they went 1 down, got lucky with the penalty and saw the game out really well.
Villa were better to watch, Bolton were more effective and won the game.
His views, not mine.
Me? I was too nervous to take any of this in and just kept hoping and praying that we would score more than them.
Haven't quite resigned myself to going down, but might have changed my mind by 5pm on Saturday.
The abuse aimed at McLeish? I think he deserves it though I didn't join in. And neither did anyone near me. It wasn't 90% of the crowd as some have said - 50%...60%?
And it's clearly aimed at the way the whole club is being mis-managed at present, including the appointment of a manager with a shit record who has simply proved all those negative doubters absolutely f***in right!
Sinking ship?
Yes. Big time!
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His assessment of why we didn't score is that we're not aggressive enough when going for flick-ons. He really doesn't actually understand attacking.
The real worry is in the little things, little things like this.
Yes. It's not the dull, unadventurous football for the entire season, it's missing Petrov's shots from the edge of the box, and aggression at flick ons that's the big problem The delusional twat.
Yeah Risso, but that said, he's not a negative tactician. The fans have it all wrong, after all, what the fuck do we know!! I hate the man. What an absolute crap fecker.
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Come on, I'm not blaming Villa fans for the season. I'm blaming McLeish and Randy more than anyone. But on a game by game basis the atmosphere tonight was fucking poisonous with 10 minutes left, and a more positive atmosphere might have helped us grab a goal. That's all. To me, on the Holte, on 80 minutes, all that mattered was equalising. Protest about the manager later, he ain't getting subbed before the end of this game.
Agree with this. We played well for 60 minutes, made loads of chances, took a deserved lead and then out of nowhere 2 minutes later somehow we're losing. From that point many of our fans couldn't wait to turn on Mcleish despite the fact that there had been nothing wrong with our display to that point.
The final 30 minutes were a complete shambles, but what else would you expect from a bunch of kids playing in front of a crowd pre occupied with slating their manager?
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His assessment of why we didn't score is that we're not aggressive enough when going for flick-ons. He really doesn't actually understand attacking.
The real worry is in the little things, little things like this.
Yes. It's not the dull, unadventurous football for the entire season, it's missing Petrov's shots from the edge of the box, and aggression at flick ons that's the big problem The delusional twat.
I would have had more respect (well, some as I never had it in the first place) for the bloke if he'd just come out and said "I have no idea how that bunch of c***s managed to go from leading to losing in 90 seconds."
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Far too many similarities with the blose of last term to be a surprise. The man is absolute poison. Shame on you for appointing him Randy. Now do the decent thing and right your wrong.
Spot on Mr Upnorth. It really does take a spectacularly bad manager to go on two such dismal end-of-season runs as McLeish has the last couple of seasons. I hope Lerner's taking a good, long look in the mirror tonight.
Randy has probably forgotten he owns us and is looking at a tattoo removal add
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Have any of our fellow strugglers got Chelsea reserves between now and the Champions' League final?
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QPR.
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Come on, I'm not blaming Villa fans for the season. I'm blaming McLeish and Randy more than anyone. But on a game by game basis the atmosphere tonight was fucking poisonous with 10 minutes left, and a more positive atmosphere might have helped us grab a goal. That's all. To me, on the Holte, on 80 minutes, all that mattered was equalising. Protest about the manager later, he ain't getting subbed before the end of this game.
Agree with this. We played well for 60 minutes, made loads of chances, took a deserved lead and then out of nowhere 2 minutes later somehow we're losing. From that point many of our fans couldn't wait to turn on Mcleish despite the fact that there had been nothing wrong with our display to that point.
The final 30 minutes were a complete shambles, but what else would you expect from a bunch of kids playing in front of a crowd pre occupied with slating their manager?
Playing well and holding our own against relegation fodder are two completely different things...
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"Just imagine what he could do with Randy's backing."
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:'(£560 for a season ticket in the championship - they'll be aving a laugh and lots of empty seats!!!!!!
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Agree with this. We played well for 60 minutes, made loads of chances, took a deserved lead and then out of nowhere 2 minutes later somehow we're losing. From that point many of our fans couldn't wait to turn on Mcleish despite the fact that there had been nothing wrong with our display to that point.
The final 30 minutes were a complete shambles, but what else would you expect from a bunch of kids playing in front of a crowd pre occupied with slating their manager?
The highlighted bits are utter bollocks. The crowd turned on the manager with a few minutes to go.
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Have any of our fellow strugglers got Chelsea reserves between now and the Champions' League final?
QPR at the Bridge on the last day. Two cup finals to attack. Likely to play the kids for this game aren't they?
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"Too good to go down? Never!" (http://www.101greatgoals.com/goals/england/too-good-to-go-down-never-aston-villa-1-bolton-2/)
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Will someone tell me what the fuck happened to Cuellar in the 2nd half? did he leave his brain in the changing room?
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Agree with this. We played well for 60 minutes, made loads of chances, took a deserved lead and then out of nowhere 2 minutes later somehow we're losing. From that point many of our fans couldn't wait to turn on Mcleish despite the fact that there had been nothing wrong with our display to that point.
The final 30 minutes were a complete shambles, but what else would you expect from a bunch of kids playing in front of a crowd pre occupied with slating their manager?
The highlighted bits are utter bollocks. The crowd turned on the manager with a few minutes to go.
You're right, it is utter bollocks. We were shit right from the start of the second half. Bolton started the better. Villa had a couple of corners but that's about it. Bolton had nearly 60% of the play overall. McLeish deserves everything he gets from the crowd. Perhaps it's a good job only 32,000 bother to turn up, thanks to his inept management of the club. 38 to40,000, as it used to be, sounds far better baying for blood, good job he's helped to keep the crowds lower. He's a ****** and shouldn't be at this standard of football. I wonder if people will still feel sorry for him if/when we get relegated?
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The fans were behind the team tonight, even after we threw the lead away. It was only after 20 minutes of utter drivel following their goals that a season's worth of frustrations were unleashed.
We desperately need inspiration and leadership from somewhere, we can't sign any players so our only option is to change manager. I'd back us to win our last three games with K-Mac and Sid in charge.
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Come on, I'm not blaming Villa fans for the season. I'm blaming McLeish and Randy more than anyone. But on a game by game basis the atmosphere tonight was fucking poisonous with 10 minutes left, and a more positive atmosphere might have helped us grab a goal. That's all. To me, on the Holte, on 80 minutes, all that mattered was equalising. Protest about the manager later, he ain't getting subbed before the end of this game.
Agree with this. We played well for 60 minutes, made loads of chances, took a deserved lead and then out of nowhere 2 minutes later somehow we're losing. From that point many of our fans couldn't wait to turn on Mcleish despite the fact that there had been nothing wrong with our display to that point.
The final 30 minutes were a complete shambles, but what else would you expect from a bunch of kids playing in front of a crowd pre occupied with slating their manager?
Considering the season we've had, I think McLeish has got off lightly at Villa Park over the last few months. Watching the game tonight, we could still be looking for that equaliser if the players were still on the pitch now!
I'm not for booing the team while they're playing, but the manager and the board have forced it upon themselves. Unless McLeish is removed from the club BEFORE the Baggies game, we'll be playing Championship football next season (some would argue that we already are!).
It's obvious that Lerner/Faulkner just don't get the fans feelings and are oblivious to the predicament that we're in, so desperate times call for desperate measures in my book.
We can clap and applaud at yet another inept showing (which would have zero bearing on the scoreline), or we can ramp up the pressure on the board to right the wrongs they've made this season, in the feint hope that they will do something about it before it's too late.
We're going down unless Aston Villa FC (ie. us - The fans), stand up and do something about it. It doesn't bear thinking about what relegation would do to us as a club. :-[
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Agree with this. We played well for 60 minutes, made loads of chances, took a deserved lead and then out of nowhere 2 minutes later somehow we're losing. From that point many of our fans couldn't wait to turn on Mcleish despite the fact that there had been nothing wrong with our display to that point.
The final 30 minutes were a complete shambles, but what else would you expect from a bunch of kids playing in front of a crowd pre occupied with slating their manager?
The highlighted bits are utter bollocks. The crowd turned on the manager with a few minutes to go.
Cheers. However unequivocally you're wrong within a few minutes of Bolton's second goal the Holte was singing - Fuck off McLeish the Villa is Ours
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no way was there 32,000 there,however the fans frustartions only boiled over in the last 5 minutes when to be fair he had stood with his hands in his pockets since they scored doing nothing.
PLEASE SACK HIM BEFORE SATURDAY!
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Agree with this. We played well for 60 minutes, made loads of chances, took a deserved lead and then out of nowhere 2 minutes later somehow we're losing. From that point many of our fans couldn't wait to turn on Mcleish despite the fact that there had been nothing wrong with our display to that point.
The final 30 minutes were a complete shambles, but what else would you expect from a bunch of kids playing in front of a crowd pre occupied with slating their manager?
The highlighted bits are utter bollocks. The crowd turned on the manager with a few minutes to go.
Cheers. However unequivocally you're wrong within a few minutes of Bolton's second goal the Holte was singing - Fuck off McLeish the Villa is Ours
Look at the posts around your own. If there was any chanting it wasn't loud enough to be heard on the pitch. Not until almost at the end of the game.
Edit, I'll add that I was sat in the Lower Holte and heard nothing until the last five minutes.
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Agree with this. We played well for 60 minutes, made loads of chances, took a deserved lead and then out of nowhere 2 minutes later somehow we're losing. From that point many of our fans couldn't wait to turn on Mcleish despite the fact that there had been nothing wrong with our display to that point.
The final 30 minutes were a complete shambles, but what else would you expect from a bunch of kids playing in front of a crowd pre occupied with slating their manager?
The highlighted bits are utter bollocks. The crowd turned on the manager with a few minutes to go.
Cheers. However unequivocally you're wrong within a few minutes of Bolton's second goal the Holte was singing - Fuck off McLeish the Villa is Ours
I sat on the Holte. 86 minutes the chanting started. I was thinking to myself that it should have started earlier. There was a very small chant earlier on but it was hardly audible. The 86th minute onwards and the crowd shouted much louder. He deserves the lot.
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Have any of our fellow strugglers got Chelsea reserves between now and the Champions' League final?
thing is, a lot of their reserves in the final games will be the normal first team. think they'be got 4 or 5 first team regulars banned for the final so QPR won't get an easy ride. Plus they hate QPR
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If the man was half as decent as everyone says he is, he'd have resigned by now and taken his puppet Grant with him! He doesn't give a fuck about Villa or us, he's just counting his retirement fund because he knows he'll never work in football again. With apologies in advance to the site and acknowledging site standards and such, the man is a ............................. Get rid now, put Sooty and Sweep in charge they wouldn't do any worse!
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"Just imagine what he could do with Randy's backing."
I think they were genuine at the start. I think they were just a lot more incompetent than we could have imagined.
That quote is blood curdling.
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The fans were behind the team tonight, even after we threw the lead away. It was only after 20 minutes of utter drivel following their goals that a season's worth of frustrations were unleashed.
We desperately need inspiration and leadership from somewhere, we can't sign any players so our only option is to change manager. I'd back us to win our last three games with K-Mac and Sid in charge.
Agree.
The thing is, we can't get any worse.
I can't see where any points are coming from.
The fans made their feelings known tonight and have every right to.
We would have just as good a chance of surviving with me in charge. Unfortunately I have a proper job and if I (or anyone else) performed it as poorly as AM is doing his, I'd be out on my ear.
I actually think the fans have been pretty neutral towards him until tonight and have given him a good chance to prove their fears wrong. He's failed miserably.
Admit it Randy that you made a mistake and stop the club from rotting any further. He deserves to go so get rid of him now.
So how come Randy back a manager who is so completely inept
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Thats right, it's the fans fault.
Don't be simplistic. For me, it's partly Randy's fault, a bit O'Neills fault, and a lot McLeish's fault. But turning the atmosphere poisonous with 5 minutes left doesn't help our team of Academy grads try to force a potentially relegation avoiding equaliser across the line. Are you only capable of seeing things in such obvious stripes of black and white?
No. I think our fans have been amazingly patient this season considering the dross that has been served up and just lost it tonight in frustration. The blames lies with the chairman for the apointment of the manager. An expert in relegation and thats what we've got. Regardless of the fans support, this was inevitable.
Was there tonight and I think even in the Trinity, where I was sat, joined in with the singing. I found it quite upsetting, the team were losing and looked totally ragged and raw abuse for the manager was cascading down from the stands. Not a good place to be at that point. Is this the first time the Villa fans have completely turned on McLeish?
I don't think the team had played badly and we deserved to go in front, but by that time Kevin Davies had started to get stuck into our defence and it seemed only a matter of time. The penalty so soon after the goal was a kick in the teeth and then the winner was just gobsmacking. I was sat next to some helmet who was saying from about the 10th minute in "We'm gunna lose this" as well, which really set up the night in good fashion. An utter prick he was.
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I sat on the Holte. 86 minutes the chanting started. I was thinking to myself that it should have started earlier. There was a very small chant earlier on but it was hardly audible. The 86th minute onwards and the crowd shouted much louder. He deserves the lot.
Yep - it should have started about 6 months earlier
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Agree with this. We played well for 60 minutes, made loads of chances, took a deserved lead and then out of nowhere 2 minutes later somehow we're losing. From that point many of our fans couldn't wait to turn on Mcleish despite the fact that there had been nothing wrong with our display to that point.
The final 30 minutes were a complete shambles, but what else would you expect from a bunch of kids playing in front of a crowd pre occupied with slating their manager?
The highlighted bits are utter bollocks. The crowd turned on the manager with a few minutes to go.
You're right, it is utter bollocks. We were shit right from the start of the second half. Bolton started the better. Villa had a couple of corners but that's about it. Bolton had nearly 60% of the play overall. McLeish deserves everything he gets from the crowd. Perhaps it's a good job only 32,000 bother to turn up, thanks to his inept management of the club. 38 to40,000, as it used to be, sounds far better baying for blood, good job he's helped to keep the crowds lower. He's a c*** and shouldn't be at this standard of football. I wonder if people will still feel sorry for him if/when we get relegated?
I too disagree with the points in bold. To be honest I thought Bolton were the better side for parts of the 1st half as well and all we did were hit long balls up to Heskey and try and pick up the flick-ons. At least Bolton tried to play football. The writing was on the wall before we scored in the 2nd half and our goal came a bit out of the blue. It was clear we needed a change, but McLeish was unmoved. When he did bring Gabby on for Heskey, we just kept pumping balls up to him and he didn't win one. He then waited until there was about 15 minutes left to make another change. I did think we had a couple of good penalty shouts in the 2nd half and McLeish only got really hammered in the last few minutes.
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I sat on the Holte. 86 minutes the chanting started. I was thinking to myself that it should have started earlier. There was a very small chant earlier on but it was hardly audible. The 86th minute onwards and the crowd shouted much louder. He deserves the lot.
Yep, it started in the last 5 mins and was being belted out all round the ground.
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I just think he's lost the plot really. He's been dull and unadventurous mainly all season and when we need him to be dull and unadventurous he stops..*faceplam*
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That 2 minute spell when Bolton scored twice was gut wrenching and there was no way we were going to respond, its felt somehow from the day that he was appointed that this slow death was meant to happen, we are not down yet but it seems inevitable now that it will happen, I have been feeling so stressed in the last few months but at the end of the match a calmness came over me, an acceptance of our fate, I got through 1967, 1970 and 1987 and I will get over this, whatever happens we will always support and love our beloved club.
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To be in the position we are in, with the players we have is truly awful.
I blame senior players who didn't have the bottle to finish off a good season under O'Neil (yes he played them into the ground, but there was still a lack of back bone at crunch times), who then went on to throw their toys out of the pram when Houllier tried to change things. And then when we think about now - They could at least play for their Careers the work shy fops, how many of them do you think will get premier league gigs next season on the money they've spunged off us? (Probably too many in truth, when not a one of them deserves it). Kids like Lichaj, Baker and particularly Herd have put them to shame, simply in terms of effort let alone skill.
All that said, there is no hiding from what a terrible appointment McLeish has been. Utterly tactically inept.
Can we stay up? of course we can, if we fight. I hope we do, I'll be at the Hawthorns shouting and praying for it, but I've little confidence to be honest, unless of course the players can pull together despite the manager, because he just doesn't have it in him to sort this out (Please prove me wrong........please). I'm not going to go on a swear fest against him or the owner, what's the point? but he just isn't good enough and this need never have happened.
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Warnock did ok in the centre of midfield to be fair, but I couldn't understand why he left Clark and Gardner on the bench, taking Herd off and leaving our left back on, in the centre of midfield? Why not move Warnock to the left, take the utterly useless N'Zogbia off and bring Gardner and/or Clark on? Heskey was at least getting the better of their defenders in the air too, then we change our tactics and go punt ball. I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is the worst Villa side I have ever seen and McLeish is worse than Billy McBingo ever was.
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Can you really blame season ticket holders for venting their frustration at this man 5 minutes from the end of match number 18 ? Four home wins all season, four !
Assuming we do not beat Spurs, where I sit its worked out at something like £135 per win !
£135 to beat Blackburn, £135 to beat Wigan, £135 to beat Norwich, £135 to beat Fulham !
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Just got back. Well that was fun.
Like a previous poster, I have a zen like calmness about me that means I've accepted that we can go down and if it happens, it happens, there isn't a fat lot I can do about it.
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Can you really blame season ticket holders for venting their frustration at this man 5 minutes from the end of match number 18 ? Four home wins all season, four !
Assuming we do not beat Spurs, where I sit its worked out at something like £135 per win !
£135 to beat Blackburn, £135 to beat Wigan, £135 to beat Norwich, £135 to beat Fulham !
Put like that, nobody will argue with you.
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Warnock did ok in the centre of midfield to be fair, but I couldn't understand why he left Clark and Gardner on the bench, taking Herd off and leaving our left back on, in the centre of midfield? Why not move Warnock to the left, take the utterly useless N'Zogbia off and bring Gardner and/or Clark on? Heskey was at least getting the better of their defenders in the air too, then we change our tactics and go punt ball. I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is the worst Villa side I have ever seen and McLeish is worse than Billy McBingo ever was.
The utterly useless NZogbia created the goal.
For me I thought Warnock did really well, and I would go with him and Herd again at the weekend but with Ireland in for Albrighton, Give NZogbia a free role and put Gabby in for Weimann if fully fit alongside Emile. Praise Emile to the fucking hilt for the next 4 days, make him feel like a bloody king, and tell him to go and do what he did first half at Albion.
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To be in the position we are in, with the players we have is truly awful.
I blame senior players who didn't have the bottle to finish off a good season under O'Neil (yes he played them into the ground, but there was still a lack of back bone at crunch times), who then went on to throw their toys out of the pram when Houllier tried to change things. And then when we think about now - They could at least play for their Careers the work shy fops, how many of them do you think will get premier league gigs next season on the money they've spunged off us? (Probably too many in truth, when not a one of them deserves it). Kids like Lichaj, Baker and particularly Herd have put them to shame, simply in terms of effort let alone skill.
All that said, there is no hiding from what a terrible appointment McLeish has been. Utterly tactically inept.
Can we stay up? of course we can, if we fight. I hope we do, I'll be at the Hawthorns shouting and praying for it, but I've little confidence to be honest, unless of course the players can pull together despite the manager, because he just doesn't have it in him to sort this out (Please prove me wrong........please). I'm not going to go on a swear fest against him or the owner, what's the point? but he just isn't good enough and this need never have happened.
This ticks an awful lot of boxes for me!
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Can you really blame season ticket holders for venting their frustration at this man 5 minutes from the end of match number 18 ? Four home wins all season, four !
Assuming we do not beat Spurs, where I sit its worked out at something like £135 per win !
£135 to beat Blackburn, £135 to beat Wigan, £135 to beat Norwich, £135 to beat Fulham !
Put like that, nobody will argue with you.
I'd have gladly paid £135 for 3 points tonight!
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I think that was the longest drive back home to Bristol from Villa Park I've had in a very long time! I honestly can't see us getting another point from the last three games!
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Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish insisted he received positive support from club owner Randy Learner following a 2-1 home defeat by Bolton.
McLeish admitted Villa are now in a relegation battle after the Trotters recovered from trailing to a Stephen Warnock goal through a Martin Petrov penalty and a David Ngog close range finish.
Fans chanted 'f*** off McLeish, the Villa is ours' and 'sack McLeish my lord' but the Villa boss understands why they did it.
He said: "I can understand the fans' reaction. We went into a deserved lead and to see the game turn like it did was horrible.
"The reaction was a first for me. But, like I said, it was understandable because we had the three points in our grasp.
"I spoke with Randy (Lerner) and Paul Faulkner (chief executive) after the game and they were supportive and said to keep your head up.
"They said everyone has to stay together and battle through this fight."
McLeish admitted: "We are in a relegation fight but we have got to rally the troops for the next game.
"There are still nine points to play for, our destiny is still in our own hands.
"I believe in the players and believe we will still be in this division next season."
http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item792013/McLeish:-I-have-Villa-owner's-support/
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Warnock did ok in the centre of midfield to be fair, but I couldn't understand why he left Clark and Gardner on the bench, taking Herd off and leaving our left back on, in the centre of midfield? Why not move Warnock to the left, take the utterly useless N'Zogbia off and bring Gardner and/or Clark on? Heskey was at least getting the better of their defenders in the air too, then we change our tactics and go punt ball. I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is the worst Villa side I have ever seen and McLeish is worse than Billy McBingo ever was.
The utterly useless NZogbia created the goal.
For me I thought Warnock did really well, and I would go with him and Herd again at the weekend but with Ireland in for Albrighton, Give NZogbia a free role and put Gabby in for Weimann if fully fit alongside Emile. Praise Emile to the fucking hilt for the next 4 days, make him feel like a bloody king, and tell him to go and do what he did first half at Albion.
You're right about the goal but I thought he was crap tonight other than that. Opinions eh? I presume Ireland was injured? Wouldn't disagree with the Warnock/Herd partnership, I'd want a third player in there for extra support though. Gabby in for Wiemann too I agree with. 4-3-3 with Gabby, Heskey and Charlie on either side. Warnock, Herd and Ireland in the centre.
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I just want AM out of our football club. I have witnessed some poor seasons at Villa Park but this is the worst I can remember.
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Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish insisted he received positive support from club owner Randy Learner following a 2-1 home defeat by Bolton.
McLeish admitted Villa are now in a relegation battle after the Trotters recovered from trailing to a Stephen Warnock goal through a Martin Petrov penalty and a David Ngog close range finish.
Fans chanted 'f*** off McLeish, the Villa is ours' and 'sack McLeish my lord' but the Villa boss understands why they did it.
He said: "I can understand the fans' reaction. We went into a deserved lead and to see the game turn like it did was horrible.
"The reaction was a first for me. But, like I said, it was understandable because we had the three points in our grasp.
"I spoke with Randy (Lerner) and Paul Faulkner (chief executive) after the game and they were supportive and said to keep your head up.
"They said everyone has to stay together and battle through this fight."
McLeish admitted: "We are in a relegation fight but we have got to rally the troops for the next game.
"There are still nine points to play for, our destiny is still in our own hands.
"I believe in the players and believe we will still be in this division next season."
http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item792013/McLeish:-I-have-Villa-owner's-support/
Was hoping that we'd sack him. Crumbs.
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I think 90% of us was against the hiring of Mcleish, not because of the blose connection but because we thought he was shit. It was a mistake of epic proportions by Lerner and I still can't fathom how they came to the conclusion that he was the man to lead our great club forward??
They are not footballing people so they were obviously advised by others.
For me I hope Lerner fcks off back to cleveland. Oh thanks for the Holte pub and the free travel to chelsea. cheers
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Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish insisted he received positive support from club owner Randy Learner following a 2-1 home defeat by Bolton.
McLeish admitted Villa are now in a relegation battle after the Trotters recovered from trailing to a Stephen Warnock goal through a Martin Petrov penalty and a David Ngog close range finish.
Fans chanted 'f*** off McLeish, the Villa is ours' and 'sack McLeish my lord' but the Villa boss understands why they did it.
He said: "I can understand the fans' reaction. We went into a deserved lead and to see the game turn like it did was horrible.
"The reaction was a first for me. But, like I said, it was understandable because we had the three points in our grasp.
"I spoke with Randy (Lerner) and Paul Faulkner (chief executive) after the game and they were supportive and said to keep your head up.
"They said everyone has to stay together and battle through this fight."
McLeish admitted: "We are in a relegation fight but we have got to rally the troops for the next game.
"There are still nine points to play for, our destiny is still in our own hands.
"I believe in the players and believe we will still be in this division next season."
http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item792013/McLeish:-I-have-Villa-owner's-support/
And I don't believe a fu**in word you say Alex.
Everything you say smacks of self-preservation and f**k all for the club, its players or its supporters.
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Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish insisted he received positive support from club owner Randy Learner following a 2-1 home defeat by Bolton.
McLeish admitted Villa are now in a relegation battle after the Trotters recovered from trailing to a Stephen Warnock goal through a Martin Petrov penalty and a David Ngog close range finish.
Fans chanted 'f*** off McLeish, the Villa is ours' and 'sack McLeish my lord' but the Villa boss understands why they did it.
He said: "I can understand the fans' reaction. We went into a deserved lead and to see the game turn like it did was horrible.
"The reaction was a first for me. But, like I said, it was understandable because we had the three points in our grasp.
"I spoke with Randy (Lerner) and Paul Faulkner (chief executive) after the game and they were supportive and said to keep your head up.
"They said everyone has to stay together and battle through this fight."
McLeish admitted: "We are in a relegation fight but we have got to rally the troops for the next game.
"There are still nine points to play for, our destiny is still in our own hands.
"I believe in the players and believe we will still be in this division next season."
http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item792013/McLeish:-I-have-Villa-owner's-support/
We dont believe in you Mr Mcleish.
More importantly at this moment we know the players don't believe in you either.
GO...GO NOW FROM OUR BELOVED ASTON VILLA AND AT LEAST GIVE US A FIGHTING CHANCE.
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"I spoke with Randy (Lerner) and Paul Faulkner (chief executive) after the game and they were supportive and said to keep your head up.
"They said everyone has to stay together and battle through this fight."
"There are still nine points to play for, our destiny is still in our own hands.
"I believe in the players and believe we will still be in this division next season."
He's spoken to our owner? So he does know how shit things are then. I think Faulkner at least should be coming out and saying something. Tonight's result was pretty fucking disastrous and it is clear that the supporters are deeply unhappy. Coupled with a team that just cannot win, it makes for a poisonous cocktail. Why can't someone at boardroom level come out and say something positive? I dunno, that they have a plan in place or something. Anything. We need some direction, the manager cannot keep on being used as a buffer for the flak - its unfair.
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I am lost for words . Please sack him in the morning .
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Coyle hit out at the reaction of the Villa fans towards McLeish and branded their reaction "poisonous".
He said: "It is not a nice part of football. We have the best game in the world and that sort of thing is something I would like to eradicate.
"Surely there is an onus on you as a person to make your point without being poisonous about it."
Owen Coyle - stay out of our business !
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I wasn't happy about the McLeish appointment but I felt I had to give him a chance.
What other choice did we have? He was here - get on with it.
Since Mid January I have felt my patience running thin.
A month ago I decided enough was enough and predicted to my friends that we were going down - I was shouted down.
It is real now and this idiot is taking us to Charlton,Millwall,Barnsley and Peterborough - FUCKING PETERBOROUGH!!
Tonight we played well and I encouraged our "stars" to keep going. We were rewarded with a well deserved lead and then it went tits up.
What a lovely drive home to Cambridge listening to the chelsea wank fest on the way...
McLeish OUT - NOW!!!!!
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Stunned. I genuinely never thought we would actually go down until today.
this . I knew he was bad but thought we would just be alright. But what a idiot Randy Lerner is , we knew , yet he didnt have a clue.
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Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish insisted he received positive support from club owner Randy Learner following a 2-1 home defeat by Bolton.
McLeish admitted Villa are now in a relegation battle after the Trotters recovered from trailing to a Stephen Warnock goal through a Martin Petrov penalty and a David Ngog close range finish.
Fans chanted 'f*** off McLeish, the Villa is ours' and 'sack McLeish my lord' but the Villa boss understands why they did it.
He said: "I can understand the fans' reaction. We went into a deserved lead and to see the game turn like it did was horrible.
"The reaction was a first for me. But, like I said, it was understandable because we had the three points in our grasp.
"I spoke with Randy (Lerner) and Paul Faulkner (chief executive) after the game and they were supportive and said to keep your head up.
"They said everyone has to stay together and battle through this fight."
McLeish admitted: "We are in a relegation fight but we have got to rally the troops for the next game.
"There are still nine points to play for, our destiny is still in our own hands.
"I believe in the players and believe we will still be in this division next season."
http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item792013/McLeish:-I-have-Villa-owner's-support/
I think he knows the games up, he's been there before so he knows how this will probably play out. Hanging on in there for his Compo. No inspiration, confidence shot to pieces.
As for Randy and Faulkner, what a pair of useless gimps.
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Coyle hit out at the reaction of the Villa fans towards McLeish and branded their reaction "poisonous".
He said: "It is not a nice part of football. We have the best game in the world and that sort of thing is something I would like to eradicate.
"Surely there is an onus on you as a person to make your point without being poisonous about it."
Owen Coyle - stay out of our business !
Its always easy to be magnanimous in victory. He can fuck off.
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Coyle hit out at the reaction of the Villa fans towards McLeish and branded their reaction "poisonous".
He said: "It is not a nice part of football. We have the best game in the world and that sort of thing is something I would like to eradicate.
"Surely there is an onus on you as a person to make your point without being poisonous about it."
Owen Coyle - stay out of our business !
Eradicate what? Fans blindly shelling out hard earned for dire performances every week? Fucking twat.
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blose are coming up to replace us ..NNNOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FFS
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Coyle hit out at the reaction of the Villa fans towards McLeish and branded their reaction "poisonous".
He said: "It is not a nice part of football. We have the best game in the world and that sort of thing is something I would like to eradicate.
"Surely there is an onus on you as a person to make your point without being poisonous about it."
Owen Coyle - stay out of our business !
Yey another example of the Managers looking out for each other - expect every ST holder to get a scolding letter for Siralex.
4 games won at home all season (worst in Club's 138 year history), 6 in total, lowest goals scored, lowest PL points tally, players sold and not replaced, while paying the most expensive ST prices in Clubs history, broken promises from invisable owner, surrendering games routinely whilst watching our relegation rivals win same fixtures.
Quite frankly, I think the supporters have been very patient with it all.
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As an additional comment I should warn you folks against asking Randy Lerner to sell up.
For every Sheikh Mansoor you will get a Carson Yeung.
Yes we know his past two managerial posts haven't worked but at least we have (and will have) a club to support and critiscise in the future...Want to be Leeds/Portsmouth/Rangers?
Just a thought - and in the wrong thread - sorry Mods... ;D
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Don't know if it has already been mentioned, but anyone see the stewards in the Holte trying to grab the banner that was held up towards the end of the game?
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I've not long been home and can't be arsed to read the thread, so sorry if I'm repeating what others have said.
Tonight was just depressing, as I thought the lads gave everything and I can't fault their effort - they're simply not good enough. We bossed the game for an hour, but lacked quality in the final third. When we took the lead I thought that would be it, I never imagined we'd be losing within 2 minutes.
I said to my mate before the game that if we lost tonight, we'd go down. I really can't see where we'll get points from in our next 3. WBA will be well up for Saturday and will relish the chance to put us in the shit, Spurs are chasing the top 4 and Norwich away on the last day will be tough, especially with the amount of pressure on us.
I've been supporting Villa since 98 and this is the lowest point for me. I literally can't believe we're going to be a league below Reading next season. I'm absolutely gutted.
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Serious shite..serious! How? Simply how? Who are these people? This is the Villa. THE VILLA!
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Those couple of minutes after we scored were like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I think I'm still in shock.
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I've been supporting Villa since 98 and this is the lowest point for me. I literally can't believe we're going to be a league below Reading next season. I'm absolutely gutted.
We haven't been relegated you know.
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Coyle hit out at the reaction of the Villa fans towards McLeish and branded their reaction "poisonous".
He said: "It is not a nice part of football. We have the best game in the world and that sort of thing is something I would like to eradicate.
"Surely there is an onus on you as a person to make your point without being poisonous about it."
Owen Coyle - stay out of our business !
Look on the positive side. He knows MacSheesh is now a dead man walking.
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It's Anzac Day Bank Holiday here so plenty of time to wallow to repeats of the game - just watched the 60-63 mins again. Car crash football
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I always thought we'd be alright, just.
I don't anymore.
What a bloody mess we've got ourselves into. Still, clutching at the positive straws, the objective remains the same - we need to muster a win from somewhere only now we've got one less game to do it.
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I always thought we'd be alright, just.
I don't anymore.
What a bloody mess we've got ourselves into. Still, clutching at the positive straws, the objective remains the same - we need to muster a win from somewhere only now we've got one less game to do it.
Agree Matt, we have to get a result from somewhere, but where? Would be great to beat the Boggies at their place, but I bet they are relishing the chance to be playing Villa at the moment and driving a nail into our coffin.
I feel sick at the moment, this isn't happening.
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I always thought we'd be alright, just.
I don't anymore.
What a bloody mess we've got ourselves into. Still, clutching at the positive straws, the objective remains the same - we need to muster a win from somewhere only now we've got one less game to do it.
Agree Matt, we have to get a result from somewhere, but where? Would be great to beat the Boggies at their place, but I bet they are relishing the chance to be playing Villa at the moment and driving a nail into our coffin.
I feel sick at the moment, this isn't happening.
Olbeyun will be hugely up for it on Saturday. Chance to do the double and send us down, it's their biggest game for years. I bet they can't sleep with the anticipation of it all.
Last night might actually have been worth while if only we could get a win there.
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Agree OzVilla.
Come Sunday morning here, if we have beaten the boggies then I will forgive today. I just can't see it happening though. Lets hope Collins, Ireland and Gabby are all fully fit.
After tonight both Cuellar and Albrighton need to be dropped. Both of them were s*^t.
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If Randy is backing him then more fool him this isnt about just last night its the whole season.
I can't see how we can stay up unless the teams below us all lose every game from now on.
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As an additional comment I should warn you folks against asking Randy Lerner to sell up.
For every Sheikh Mansoor you will get a Carson Yeung.
Yes we know his past two managerial posts haven't worked but at least we have (and will have) a club to support and critiscise in the future...Want to be Leeds/Portsmouth/Rangers?
Just a thought - and in the wrong thread - sorry Mods... ;D
If we go down don't be surprised if we join the ranks of Leeds/Forest/Portsmouth/Sheffield Wednesday. We're heavily in debt and keep making huge losses.
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As an additional comment I should warn you folks against asking Randy Lerner to sell up.
For every Sheikh Mansoor you will get a Carson Yeung.
Yes we know his past two managerial posts haven't worked but at least we have (and will have) a club to support and critiscise in the future...Want to be Leeds/Portsmouth/Rangers?
Just a thought - and in the wrong thread - sorry Mods... ;D
If we go down don't be surprised if we join the ranks of Leeds/Forest/Portsmouth/Sheffield Wednesday. We're heavily in debt and keep making huge losses.
This my fear, financially we are in a mess, we can't afford to go down. The 'custodian' has well and truly dropped a number of massive bollocks.
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Spurs will help decide our fate they have blackburn and Bolton next if they win them it helps us ..however they would go into the game against us on the back of 2 wins.
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Agree OzVilla.
Come Sunday morning here, if we have beaten the boggies then I will forgive today. I just can't see it happening though. Lets hope Collins, Ireland and Gabby are all fully fit.
After tonight both Cuellar and Albrighton need to be dropped. Both of them were s*^t.
I could forgive a few moments of madness, what I can't forget or forgive is the rest of the season.
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Albrighton for sure needs benching .
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As an additional comment I should warn you folks against asking Randy Lerner to sell up.
For every Sheikh Mansoor you will get a Carson Yeung.
Yes we know his past two managerial posts haven't worked but at least we have (and will have) a club to support and critiscise in the future...Want to be Leeds/Portsmouth/Rangers?
Just a thought - and in the wrong thread - sorry Mods... ;D
If we go down don't be surprised if we join the ranks of Leeds/Forest/Portsmouth/Sheffield Wednesday. We're heavily in debt and keep making huge losses.
Do we owe money to banks like Leeds etc do?
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Albrighton for sure needs benching .
He's a liability.
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He's had a lot of slack for a while Albrighton being a local Villa lad. Truth hurts though.
I think we've some good young players like Clark, Lichaj, Herd and Weimann, probably Gardner too - but not Marc i'm afraid.
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Agreed. If Ireland is fit, I would just whack him in for ALbrighton. Sub at best right now.
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His crossing his best atribute has gone from him completely .last time he looked decent was coming on against Chelsea so for now coming on as a sub is best for him.
Think we would be better with a solid 3 man midfield Clark,herd Ireland and gabby and nzog supporting Weimann or Heskey
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He's had a lot of slack for a while Albrighton being a local Villa lad. Truth hurts though.
I think we've some good young players like Clark, Lichaj, Herd and Weimann, probably Gardner too - but not Marc i'm afraid.
He was the only youngster that seemed to be able to cut it last year, and now he's like a chicken without a head. What do they do all day, I don't get it... how is this kid incapable of putting a ball in the box. If we had a goal for every time he put his hands to his face after a mistake we'd be top of the league.
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If you could see the summary of Phil McNulty's tweets (on the BBC Sport site) you'd think the fans had been barracking that manager of ours constantly. The reality is that they turned en mase in the last five minutes.
It seems to suit the media to say that we've never given him a chance. While its undoubtedly true for a minority, I'd say the majority have been exceptionally patient with him, despite the worst home record in the club's history.
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It's just a way for the media to attack the manager by proxy. They don't have the balls to say to AM in the post-match: 'you're shit, aren't you?' Instead they put on a sympathetic face and say: 'did you hear the terrible things the crowd were chanting? About you being shit? Isn't it awful?'
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Can't belive it took untill last night to see journos on my Twitter feed finally stick the boot in and relize we are in serious danger of relegation.what's that now 13 games with no win ...wake up Randy FFs
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If Warnock wouldn't have help up that damn two after he scored we wouldn't have given up two goals in two minutes.
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Who gave away the penalty ?
Telegraph
The lead lasted barely a minute. Alan Hutton’s reckless challenge on Mark Davies gave Chris Foy one of the easiest decisions he will make this season and Martin Petrov dispatched his fifth goal of the campaign from the spot.
Da Beeb
As the home fans celebrated, Bolton drew level, Petrov scoring from the spot after Mark Davies was pulled down by Carlos Cuellar.
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Coyle hit out at the reaction of the Villa fans towards McLeish and branded their reaction "poisonous".
He said: "It is not a nice part of football. We have the best game in the world and that sort of thing is something I would like to eradicate.
"Surely there is an onus on you as a person to make your point without being poisonous about it."
Owen Coyle - stay out of our business !
Look on the positive side. He knows MacSheesh is now a dead man walking.
How else do you make your feelings felt? It's why terrorists are so extreme. Unless you do something really outrageous no-one takes any notice.
The answer I feel is simply for everyone to stop paying to watch and dont go to the games.
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Stats don't tell us everything obvs, but I thought these from last night were revealing:
Possession: Villa 48%, Bolton 52%
Shots: Villa - 17, Bolton - 12
On target: Villa - 6, Bolton - 11
Pathetic at any time, but especially under the circumstances and given the opposition.
As for McLeast, maybe it's just me but he looks to me like he's sitting pretty: he knows we can't sack him now, probably can't afford to sack him if we go down (and he has a good record getting teams promoted, as the Championship is the level that suits his 'talents' best), and if he manages to keep us up he'll claim he did a great job under an extremely challenging set of circumstances (ie. lack of cash, losing Bent/Stan at crucial time, fan hatred etc).
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Stats don't tell us everything obvs, but I thought these from last night were revealing:
Possession: Villa 48%, Bolton 52%
Shots: Villa - 17, Bolton - 12
On target: Villa - 6, Bolton - 11
Pathetic at any time, but especially under the circumstances and given the opposition.
As for McLeast, maybe it's just me but he looks to me like he's sitting pretty: he knows we can't sack him now, probably can't afford to sack him if we go down (and he has a good record getting teams promoted, as the Championship is the level that suits his 'talents' best), and if he manages to keep us up he'll claim he did a great job under an extremely challenging set of circumstances (ie. lack of cash, losing Bent/Stan at crucial time, fan hatred etc).
Where were those stats from, puppy?
I know it makes no difference, but, there's no way Bolton had 52% poss, and as for shot I remember 4 of their 12 being off target.
But the bottom line is: the only stat that matters is the one which reads 1-2 :'(
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Stats don't tell us everything obvs, but I thought these from last night were revealing:
Possession: Villa 48%, Bolton 52%
Shots: Villa - 17, Bolton - 12
On target: Villa - 6, Bolton - 11
Pathetic at any time, but especially under the circumstances and given the opposition.
As for McLeast, maybe it's just me but he looks to me like he's sitting pretty: he knows we can't sack him now, probably can't afford to sack him if we go down (and he has a good record getting teams promoted, as the Championship is the level that suits his 'talents' best), and if he manages to keep us up he'll claim he did a great job under an extremely challenging set of circumstances (ie. lack of cash, losing Bent/Stan at crucial time, fan hatred etc).
Where were those stats from, puppy?
Scroll down to Match Stats http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17737838
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The first half we should have been two or three up why couldn't we continue like that in the second half it baffles me.
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If Warnock wouldn't have help up that damn two after he scored we wouldn't have given up two goals in two minutes.
I didn't understand a word of that!
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It's just a way for the media to attack the manager by proxy. They don't have the balls to say to AM in the post-match: 'you're shit, aren't you?' Instead they put on a sympathetic face and say: 'did you hear the terrible things the crowd were chanting? About you being shit? Isn't it awful?'
Here's another attack by proxy then, from BBC's Sportsday Live feed:
Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty has written about what he witnessed at Villa Park last night during Bolton's 2-1 victory over Aston Villa: "One respected Villa media observer of almost 20 years standing had no hesitation in declaring this was the worst abuse he had heard directed at a manager of the club in that time."
Five minutes of abuse is the worst they've seen in twenty years? Really?
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Agree OzVilla.
Come Sunday morning here, if we have beaten the boggies then I will forgive today. I just can't see it happening though. Lets hope Collins, Ireland and Gabby are all fully fit.
After tonight both Cuellar and Albrighton need to be dropped. Both of them were s*^t.
that bloody Cuellar header to their goalie , second half , just summed it all up . hopeless
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I thought last night we played well and took a well deserved lead. It was just unfortunate that there was an immediate opportunity for them to equalise through the penalty. If that had not happened we would have easily won this game.
Disappointing thing was team's response to going 2-1 down. This is where a good motivator on or off the pitch comes in. I noticed Cuellar trying to gee them up straight after their second goal but did not see the effect of that on the pitch.
Even more disappointing was almost entire ground singing "*uck off McLeish" from about 82 minute. This was the time to encourage our young players to fight and have a go and not make them hear that abuse. Bolton were more encouraged by that and they managed to close out the last 5 mins and 4 mins added time in reasonable comfort.
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I just wonder what AM said at half time.
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I just wonder what AM said at half time.
"Ocheyethenoo Wibble Wibble,Bla Bla sounds about right to me!
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It's just a way for the media to attack the manager by proxy. They don't have the balls to say to AM in the post-match: 'you're shit, aren't you?' Instead they put on a sympathetic face and say: 'did you hear the terrible things the crowd were chanting? About you being shit? Isn't it awful?'
Here's another attack by proxy then, from BBC's Sportsday Live feed:
Chief Football Writer Phil McNulty has written about what he witnessed at Villa Park last night during Bolton's 2-1 victory over Aston Villa: "One respected Villa media observer of almost 20 years standing had no hesitation in declaring this was the worst abuse he had heard directed at a manager of the club in that time."
Five minutes of abuse is the worst they've seen in twenty years? Really?
I'd imagine he's referring to Pat Murphy, who said this morning of R5 that it was the most stick he seen a manager get down here since McNeill, which is precisely because he's the worst manager we've had since McNeill.
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Stats don't tell us everything obvs, but I thought these from last night were revealing:
Possession: Villa 48%, Bolton 52%
Shots: Villa - 17, Bolton - 12
On target: Villa - 6, Bolton - 11
Pathetic at any time, but especially under the circumstances and given the opposition.
As for McLeast, maybe it's just me but he looks to me like he's sitting pretty: he knows we can't sack him now, probably can't afford to sack him if we go down (and he has a good record getting teams promoted, as the Championship is the level that suits his 'talents' best), and if he manages to keep us up he'll claim he did a great job under an extremely challenging set of circumstances (ie. lack of cash, losing Bent/Stan at crucial time, fan hatred etc).
Where were those stats from, puppy?
Scroll down to Match Stats http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17737838
Thanks puppy.
Wasn't knocking your post, I just wondered who came up with the stats.
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I thought last night we played well and took a well deserved lead. It was just unfortunate that there was an immediate opportunity for them to equalise through the penalty. If that had not happened we would have easily won this game.
Disappointing thing was team's response to going 2-1 down. This is where a good motivator on or off the pitch comes in. I noticed Cuellar trying to gee them up straight after their second goal but did not see the effect of that on the pitch.
Even more disappointing was almost entire ground singing "*uck off McLeish" from about 82 minute. This was the time to encourage our young players to fight and have a go and not make them hear that abuse. Bolton were more encouraged by that and they managed to close out the last 5 mins and 4 mins added time in reasonable comfort.
I noticed Cuellar having the worst half of football in a Villa shirt. Also at 82 minutes it was time for our spineless manager to take off a defender and put on a striker. The cock just put Delfuenso out wide. I wanted more abuse directed at him, he got off very lightly considering the shit he has served up this season.
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Agree OzVilla.
Come Sunday morning here, if we have beaten the boggies then I will forgive today. I just can't see it happening though. Lets hope Collins, Ireland and Gabby are all fully fit.
After tonight both Cuellar and Albrighton need to be dropped. Both of them were s*^t.
I could forgive a few moments of madness, what I can't forget or forgive is the rest of the season.
Agree with that Fergal. I can't forgive the season it's just got worse and worse.
All I want and have wanted since about February is for this season to be finished, so I can get on with enjoying my weekends instead of freting all weekend about how bad my team are going to play.
Let's hope we survive and we can all have a break from this madness (at least for a few weeks).