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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 24, 2012, 06:34:52 PM
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Available Saturday evening.
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Boring, awful , crap football, please randy get out of this club and take faulkner and mcleish with you!
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Terrible, Terrible and once again fucking terrible.
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McLeish OUT.
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Thank fuck that's over.
Shocking shit all together.
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Disgraceful pile of horse shit. An insult to the top flight.
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I am petrified :(
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Wonder if Mick McCarthy wants a job?
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No more Keane, no more Bent, we are in trouble. That was shocking. Wigan were dreadful and yet still better than us. Fuck off McLeish. Awful.
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I have a sad face. Everybody look how sad my face is.
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Truly abysmal on a number of fronts.
Any team with a clue as to how to score goals would have turned us over today.
If ever a manager deserved the sack, it is this clueless fucking idiot.
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When one of the most loyal, well travelled fans on this site says McLeish has to go, I think everyone should take notice.
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I think the fans summed it up singing "we want our Villa back"
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Wonder if Mick McCarthy wants a job?
And my tickets for the Blackburn game came today...something to look forward to!
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We are shit, truly shit and with AM, PF and RL at the helm will go down next season. But I think we will stay up by 2 / 3 points this season. AM keeps his job and nightmare runs on.
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Someone defend McLeish after that abomination of football.
Randy needs to man up and save us from this nightmare or we're in big trouble.
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Fucking disgrace. Holding on against Wigan. Dominated by Wigan. Totally inept manager, with a side of attacking players without a fucking clue of attacking pattern.
We kept a clean sheet against the leagues lowest scorers.
We were shit for 90 minutes.
He has to go. ASAP! Get him out Randy FFS, grow some bollocks and admit you and Faulkner made a mistake!
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SACK HIM! He's got to go, that was a pathetic excuse of a performance especially when you look at the players on the pitch.
We could so easily have lost to Wigan who were dog awful.
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More anti football and another goal less match. McLeish's football philosophy in a nutshell.
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Dire, clueless rubbish. Watching us is bloody painful these days. If MOTD have any sense they will just put the score up at the end of the show and leave that as the highlight.
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Well, how bad was that, truly DREADFUL!!
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Its like we have a huge python wrapped around our club and its squeezing the life out of us.
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I don't feel angry anymore. Just resigned. Which is exactly what I want McCleish to do.
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I have a sad face. Everybody look how sad my face is.
Yes, we have all seen it.
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What a great steaming turd of a match that was. Get that useless twat of a so-called manager out of my football club.
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Dire.
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Despite all the negativity about how we are doomed and are going down, with our result today,we are no nearer the relegation zone.
Just guessing, but I am going to go out on a limb and say this time last year, we were nearer the relegation zone than we are today.
No need to panic, people.
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How much more do we have to suffer?
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I don't feel angry anymore. Just resigned. Which is exactly what I want McCleish to do.
I'm the same. He's sucked my passion from this club.
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We're in big trouble.
No home win for a third of a year, no clue how to score a goal and in what was the first of 3 "winnable" games, we didn't come close to winning it. An utter disgrace.
Relegation fight it is then. The current manager is not fit to carry on in my opinion.
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My honest belief is we have a manager and assistant who are not good enough with probably about 80% of the playing staff to match. We lack so much genuine quality in defence and midfield its scary.
Blackburn next and wouldn't surprise me at all if it finishes 0-0
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Postives. We kept a clean sheet and this could be the point that keeps us up.
Negatives. Pretty much everything else. There will be a lot more games like this in the future. Alex, it's Wigan. FUCKING WIGAN. If you are too shit scared to try and win against them then any support you have left on the terraces of VP will vanish. 6 wins from 26 is fucking shit.
And if the Bent injury is serious we could be in serious trouble.
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Its like we have a huge python wrapped around our club and its squeezing the life out of us.
I prefer the analogy of a sucking gunshot wound to the chest, slowly filling our lungs with blood. But your python is OK.
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He lost a lot of people willing to give him a chance last week. Those numbers grew massively today. I'm literally at the edge if the cliff.
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I'm devastated. Its not getting any better is it
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Even Jack Woodward on AVTV was struggling to find any positives from that. Dreadful result - if we can't pick up 3 points against the likes of Wigan then we are in real trouble.
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One of the finest examples of boring non-event non-entertaining goaless mogadon sleep inducing exhibitions of sport performed by alleged Association Football footballers who seem to have taken on board the lessons learnt by our team manager on his fact finding mission to pick up knowledge from the American Football game.
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We are one of the worse teams in the league it gets more and more depressing as the weeks go on.
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Can't defend that performance (only saw the second half but the match thread leads me to believe it was no better in the first).
We won't go down, but the board have to realise that no matter what, they have to replace him as soon as the season finishes, not now because there is no one available who will significantly improve this bunch of disinterested fuckwits.
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I'm literally at the edge if the cliff.
If you are literally at the edge of a cliff then you are taking this too seriously. I will buy you a drink and you can make fun of me.
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Good bye Robbie Keane and Darren Bent
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We've got some decent players and any other manager would have us playing decent football. I was in the 'didn't want him because of his previous record and brand of football, but he's Villa's manager so I'll give him a chance' group. After yet another shit performance he can just fuck right off.
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He lost a lot of people willing to give him a chance last week. Those numbers grew massively today. I'm literally at the edge if the cliff.
I'm stood next to you TV. I wasn't before today.
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How did this fucking cretin become manager of our football club. He needs to fuck right off. Heskey for Albrighton? Why is it I get the feeling I could manage them better.
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A draw is what I predicted... thats how low I have sunk, but that was much worse than I even expected!
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I have a sad face. Everybody look how sad my face is.
Yes, we have all seen it.
Usually when doing the skateboarding duck bit at the end of the news, yes you are smiling on the outside but you can't hide your true sad face.
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Pitch aside an awful display. Out played and battled for large parts of the game by arguably one of the poorest sides in the league.
Positives - Cuellar looked assured at the back. Admittedly against not the greatest of forwards. Injury to Dunne could be a blessing in disguise in forcing AM to play Carlos in his natural position. To be fair the defence as a whole looked solid - not including Collins who's needs to be tapped up by Sunderland ASAP. A liability at all times.
Good to see Bannan and Gardner started. Move need game time to see if they can deliver on their undoubted promise. Gabby looked not 100% sharp and would of made sense to change for N'Zogbia who I feel could off caused some problems with his direct style (his free kick was awful though).
Bent seemed to get involved more - although I still don't think we play to his strengths.
All in all relieved that we have come away from the DW with a point. Something seriously wrong with expectations....
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There is absolutely nothing positive to say about that performance. Nothing.
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Total shite we were outplayed and if Wigan had any ability to score goals we would have lost.Utter shambles from start to finish.With Bent looking out for a while we are in serious shit the only thing that will keep us up is the teams below being worse.
Just want him gone and the season to be over.
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Despite all the negativity about how we are doomed and are going down, with our result today,we are no nearer the relegation zone.
Just guessing, but I am going to go out on a limb and say this time last year, we were nearer the relegation zone than we are today.
No need to panic, people.
Last year we always lined up to win (except against Liverpool and Man City). Last year we had Ashley Young, Makoun, Luke Young and Downing was having a great season.
This year. Well, where do you start? Keane's cameo is over, Bent is injured, we have an under-par N'Zogbia for Young and Downing and half the squad either aren't happy or aren't good enough. We are terrified of losing when at home and the manager thinks a 0-1 defeat isn't a bad result.
Things are a lot worse this year.
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Its like we have a huge python wrapped around our club and its squeezing the life out of us.
I prefer the analogy of a sucking gunshot wound to the chest, slowly filling our lungs with blood. But your python is OK.
I prefer to think of it as a big ginger man taking a giant shit on all of us, one after another. All the while demanding that we pay him £30 each for him to do it.
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There is absolutely nothing positive to say about that performance. Nothing.
Clean sheet!
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Its like we have a huge python wrapped around our club and its squeezing the life out of us.
I prefer the analogy of a sucking gunshot wound to the chest, slowly filling our lungs with blood. But your python is OK.
Any chest wound will kill you too quickly. Your rate of descent with a shot to the gut is more akin to our plight.
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The only positive was the clean sheet, but Wigan are the most shot shy side around, against any other team with them having that much possession, we'd have lost.
You could look at the effort of the team in one of two ways, I reckon. Either there was only one team trying to win that game (Wigan), or we were trying as well, and that was the best we could do.
Both of these are absolutely inexcusable.
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We are one of the worse teams in the league it gets more and more depressing as the weeks go on.
Agreed.
Or in modern parlance: This
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fuck knows how MOTD are gonna get highlights from that I wouldn't bother
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Dire, clueless rubbish. Watching us is bloody painful these days. If MOTD have any sense they will just put the score up at the end of the show and leave that as the highlight.
What will cure my insomnia tonight then?
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Can't defend that performance (only saw the second half but the match thread leads me to believe it was no better in the first).
We won't go down, but the board have to realise that no matter what, they have to replace him as soon as the season finishes, not now because there is no one available who will significantly improve this bunch of disinterested fuckwits.
We could always put Kevin McDonald and Sid in charge until the end of the season.
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Copious amounts of alcohol.
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I don't think McLeish deserves this.
It's like attacking Anne Widdecombe for not winning Strictly.
He is just a poor prat promoted above his abilities by an incompetent board of directors who know very little about football and care even less.
Alex McLeish is just a decent bloke totally and completely out of his depth and hung out to dry by his employers. I feel very sorry for him. He must go of course but the board will even screw up the timing of his departure.
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We have a ten million pound winger.
Why are we not using our ten million pound winger?
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As dire as dire can be.
I now think that McLeish should be sacked, he's had a good enough go at the job and he'll never , ever succeed.
He is a poor Manager, Managing a team of players who need a good Manager, especially the Gardners coming through.
Get rid as soon as we're safe.
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Can't defend that performance (only saw the second half but the match thread leads me to believe it was no better in the first).
We won't go down, but the board have to realise that no matter what, they have to replace him as soon as the season finishes, not now because there is no one available who will significantly improve this bunch of disinterested fuckwits.
We could always put Kevin McDonald and Sid in charge until the end of the season.
I would do this immedaitely.
You don't have to be particularly perceptive to see that we're on a downward slide, that the squad is bereft of spirit or confidence, and that the support are getting more and more disillusioned.
There is an air of doom around the club at the moment.
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That today has done it for me. I have tried to support him and wanted him to do well for the Villa but after leaving Ireland and N'Zog on the bench against Wigan and then bringing that useless lump Heskey on i'm sorry that is just unbelievable.
I fear we are going down.
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Never mind this league, we must be one of the worst sides to watch in any of the 4 leagues.
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We have a ten million pound winger.
Why are we not using our ten million pound winger?
And fans want him to spend more money in the summer. ???
Surely even Randy should ask why, but again he's too stupid to realise. Can't believe all the effort he made of bringing in this rubbish manager.
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I don't think McLeish deserves this.
It's like attacking Anne Widdecombe for not winning Strictly.
He is just a poor prat promoted above his abilities by an incompetent board of directors who know very little about football and care even less.
Alex McLeish is just a decent bloke totally and completely out of his depth and hung out to dry by his employers. I feel very sorry for him. He must go of course but the board will even screw up the timing of his departure.
He fully deserves it. He got a 3 year double your money deal to manage our great club. Both fuckin barrells, get rid.
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Can't defend that performance (only saw the second half but the match thread leads me to believe it was no better in the first).
We won't go down, but the board have to realise that no matter what, they have to replace him as soon as the season finishes, not now because there is no one available who will significantly improve this bunch of disinterested fuckwits.
We could always put Kevin McDonald and Sid in charge until the end of the season.
Ronald McDonald and Sid Owen would be a step up for us at this point.
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Its like we have a huge python wrapped around our club and its squeezing the life out of us.
I prefer the analogy of a sucking gunshot wound to the chest, slowly filling our lungs with blood. But your python is OK.
I prefer to think of it as a big ginger man taking a giant shit on all of us, one after another. All the while demanding that we pay him £30 each for him to do it.
There used to be a club upstairs at a pub behind London Bridge station where it was only £15. Inflation sucks
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fuck knows how MOTD are gonna get highlights from that I wouldn't bother
MOTD producers say that every week with the Villa match.
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If McLeish had any sense of dignity he would resign tonight.
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I don't think McLeish deserves this.
It's like attacking Anne Widdecombe for not winning Strictly.
He is just a poor prat promoted above his abilities by an incompetent board of directors who know very little about football and care even less.
Alex McLeish is just a decent bloke totally and completely out of his depth and hung out to dry by his employers. I feel very sorry for him. He must go of course but the board will even screw up the timing of his departure.
RL may have employed him but god he makes shit decisions. You cannot feel sorry for him - he is digging his own grave.
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There is absolutely nothing positive to say about that performance. Nothing.
Warnock didn't give a goal away.
That's it though.
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Well, that was pretty mediocre, wasn't it? I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the starting line-up. No-one played particularly poorly but there's just nothing there, is there? What's the problem? McLeish picked a decent side. Are some of the players not as good as we think/hope? Is it the way he's telling them to play? We are crying out for better off-the-ball movement. Never thought I'd say it but we're really going to miss Keane when he goes. Also can't help feeling we still really need a bastard in midfield.
On the stream I was watching, one of the commentators expressed their surprise that Gabby was captain today. He reckoned that either Collins or Hutton should be. Seriously? What kind of research do these guys get paid to do?
It's worrying. Some combination of the players we have, the staff and the general air of decline around the club really spells trouble. You can't see Lerner getting rid of McLeish either so I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. And it's not going to get immediate-relegation worse, it's going to get increasingly dull, grinding out draws, regularly finishing in 14th worse.
Given - 7 - stayed alert and made a couple of decent stops at the end.
Hutton - 7 - I don't rate him and think his crossing is terrible but he was very good today.
Collins - 6 - meh. Didn't do anything wrong but doesn't inspire confidence.
Cuellar - 7.5 - MOTM - looked solid, dependable, and a step up from Dunne. Hope he gets that contract.
Warnock - 6 - a better performance.
Albrighton - 6.5 - I like him. He tries and looks a threat. Tracked back well.
Gardner - 6 - he's going to be a good player and needs the game time so we should stick with him throughout. He battled well.
Bannan - 6.5 - anything good we were going to do was going to come through him or Keane. Good vision and just like Gardner needs a run of games.
Agbonlahor - 6 - didn't show much but I don't think sticking him on the left wing is the answer to anything.
Keane - 7 - always looking for opportunities for one-twos and through balls. The kind of player we need.
Bent - 6 - he really is one-dimensional. Poor in general build-up play and if the ball isn't running for him doesn't look like that great a finisher either. In his defence, he was really feeding off scraps again today. Injury looked worrying.
Heskey - 6 - why, why, why, why? I don't want to be a Heskey-basher but his star clearly waned some time ago. And he's not a right winger. Or an attacking midfielder. Or much of a striker anymore. Waste of a sub. I know N'Zogbia didn't do much when he came on but it would have been preferable.
Ireland - 6 - didn't get into the game.
N'Zogbia - 6 - didn't get into the game.
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Consider that if we stay up, we will have another season of this shit to look forward to
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As dire as dire can be.
Not quite, you're forgeting your clown shoes.
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Woeful - and freezing.
Sack McLeish my lord the villa fans sang.
I was one of them
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He lost a lot of people willing to give him a chance last week. Those numbers grew massively today. I'm literally at the edge if the cliff.
Have been trying to hold onto some objective neutrality but slipping away now - I mean - Wigan out possessing us! FFS
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Despite all the negativity about how we are doomed and are going down, with our result today,we are no nearer the relegation zone.
Just guessing, but I am going to go out on a limb and say this time last year, we were nearer the relegation zone than we are today.
No need to panic, people.
Last year we always lined up to win (except against Liverpool and Man City). Last year we had Ashley Young, Makoun, Luke Young and Downing was having a great season.
This year. Well, where do you start? Keane's cameo is over, Bent is injured, we have an under-par N'Zogbia for Young and Downing and half the squad either aren't happy or aren't good enough. We are terrified of losing when at home and the manager thinks a 0-1 defeat isn't a bad result.
Things are a lot worse this year.
But why aren't the squad happy? We have some players coming though, the likes of Clark, Bannan, Albrighton, Gardner etc. who may not turn out to be world beaters but surely are going to be good enough to be the backbone of a Top 8 side but I fear that they are being slowly drained off enthusiasm and opportunity.
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Consider that if we stay up, we will have another season of this shit to look forward to
And that is the most depressing thing of all.
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Consider that if we stay up, we will have another season of this shit to look forward to
I'm not convinced it would change if we went down.
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Consider that if we stay up, we will have another season of this shit to look forward to
I'm not convinced it would change if went down.
That's pretty depressing, too.
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Consider that if we stay up, we will have another season of this shit to look forward to
And that is the most depressing thing of all.
Yes. I'm off to get pissed and lose at snooker.
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Well, that was pretty mediocre, wasn't it? I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the starting line-up. No-one played particularly poorly but there's just nothing there, is there? What's the problem? McLeish picked a decent side. Are some of the players not as good as we think/hope? Is it the way he's telling them to play? We are crying out for better off-the-ball movement. Never thought I'd say it but we're really going to miss Keane when he goes. Also can't help feeling we still really need a bastard in midfield.
On the stream I was watching, one of the commentators expressed their surprise that Gabby was captain today. He reckoned that either Collins or Hutton should be. Seriously? What kind of research do these guys get paid to do?
It's worrying. Some combination of the players we have, the staff and the general air of decline around the club really spells trouble. You can't see Lerner getting rid of McLeish either so I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. And it's not going to get immediate-relegation worse, it's going to get increasingly dull, grinding out draws, regularly finishing in 14th worse.
Given - 7 - stayed alert and made a couple of decent stops at the end.
Hutton - 7 - I don't rate him and think his crossing is terrible but he was very good today.
Collins - 6 - meh. Didn't do anything wrong but doesn't inspire confidence.
Cuellar - 7.5 - MOTM - looked solid, dependable, and a step up from Dunne. Hope he gets that contract.
Warnock - 6 - a better performance.
Albrighton - 6.5 - I like him. He tries and looks a threat. Tracked back well.
Gardner - 6 - he's going to be a good player and needs the game time so we should stick with him throughout. He battled well.
Bannan - 6.5 - anything good we were going to do was going to come through him or Keane. Good vision and just like Gardner needs a run of games.
Agbonlahor - 6 - didn't show much but I don't think sticking him on the left wing is the answer to anything.
Keane - 7 - always looking for opportunities for one-twos and through balls. The kind of player we need.
Bent - 6 - he really is one-dimensional. Poor in general build-up play and if the ball isn't running for him doesn't look like that great a finisher either. In his defence, he was really feeding off scraps again today. Injury looked worrying.
Heskey - 6 - why, why, why, why? I don't want to be a Heskey-basher but his star clearly waned some time ago. And he's not a right winger. Or an attacking midfielder. Or much of a striker anymore. Waste of a sub. I know N'Zogbia didn't do much when he came on but it would have been preferable.
Ireland - 6 - didn't get into the game.
N'Zogbia - 6 - didn't get into the game.
I think you have been EXCEPTIONALLY generous with those ratings. 3's and 4's t best I reckon. You really think we were 6.5 out of 10 today?
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We have a ten million pound winger.
Why are we not using our ten million pound winger?
And fans want him to spend more money in the summer. ???
Surely even Randy should ask why, but again he's too stupid to realise. Can't believe all the effort he made of bringing in this rubbish manager.
The problem is, unlike O'Neill, if McLeish is given no more money to spend who will just continue to plough on serving up such turgid football, rather than leaving out of principle. So that approach won't work.
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Consider that if we stay up, we will have another season of this shit to look forward to
We will go down next season.
It's coming - Oh God...
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Despite all the negativity about how we are doomed and are going down, with our result today,we are no nearer the relegation zone.
Just guessing, but I am going to go out on a limb and say this time last year, we were nearer the relegation zone than we are today.
No need to panic, people.
Last year we always lined up to win (except against Liverpool and Man City). Last year we had Ashley Young, Makoun, Luke Young and Downing was having a great season.
This year. Well, where do you start? Keane's cameo is over, Bent is injured, we have an under-par N'Zogbia for Young and Downing and half the squad either aren't happy or aren't good enough. We are terrified of losing when at home and the manager thinks a 0-1 defeat isn't a bad result.
Things are a lot worse this year.
But why aren't the squad happy? We have some players coming though, the likes of Clark, Bannan, Albrighton, Gardner etc. who may not turn out to be world beaters but surely are going to be good enough to be the backbone of a Top 8 side but I fear that they are being slowly drained off enthusiasm and opportunity.
It all starts with the fans. 98.5% don't want him here. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what comes next.
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The board are responsible for McLeish's contract. They agreed it. If you employ a chimney sweep to remove your appendix don't be surprised if you come out of hospital with a brush sticking out of your arse.
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Woeful - and freezing.
Sack McLeish my lord the villa fans sang.
I was one of them
Is that true?
I have not heard any "organised" or sustained negativity
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Copious amounts of alcohol.
Im with you on that one
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terrible!! needs a change wrong man for the job, bringing Heskey on sums it up for me, WTF!!!!!
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The board are responsible for McLeish's contract. They agreed it. If you employ a chimney sweep to remove your appendix don't be surprised if you come out of hospital with a brush sticking out of your arse.
Ha ha, marvellous stuff, Brian.
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That was awful stuff. We were outplayed for large parts of the match by fucking Wigan!
The football we play is just so dull to watch. We must play the the most turgid stuff in the league.
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I don't feel angry anymore. Just resigned. Which is exactly what I want McCleish to do.
I'm the same. He's sucked my passion from this club.
Same here. Cant be arsed to be angry or upset by this latest pathetic performance.
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The board are responsible for McLeish's contract. They agreed it. If you employ a chimney sweep to remove your appendix don't be surprised if you come out of hospital with a brush sticking out of your arse.
Fair enough but it's Emile Heskey sticking out of his arse. I could have accumalated the same amount of points as this joker. Get rid and start thinking of next season, staying up would be a good start.
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I don't think McLeish deserves this.
It's like attacking Anne Widdecombe for not winning Strictly.
He is just a poor prat promoted above his abilities by an incompetent board of directors who know very little about football and care even less.
Alex McLeish is just a decent bloke totally and completely out of his depth and hung out to dry by his employers. I feel very sorry for him. He must go of course but the board will even screw up the timing of his departure.
Jesus Brian no-one is forcing him, he can sod off any time, the sooner the better as far as most of us are concerned. The fact is he's getting a couple of million pounds a year, more than most of us will earn in a lifetime, to be utterly, completely, undoubtedly incompetent. It's a dream job, massive pay, and even if you fail you're set up for life. How can you possibly feel sorry for him?
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The board are responsible for McLeish's contract. They agreed it. If you employ a chimney sweep to remove your appendix don't be surprised if you come out of hospital with a brush sticking out of your arse.
Ha ha, marvellous stuff, Brian.
Nice one Brian, that is the first thing to make me smile since I logged onto the site during the game.
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I fully expect his post match view will be that we played expansive, dynamic football - you know, the stuff he told us about in his letter - and were exceptionally unlucky not to win, but were outstanding defensively to keep a clean sheet against a powerful, total footballing, free-scoring side like Wigan.
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Well, that was pretty mediocre, wasn't it? I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the starting line-up. No-one played particularly poorly but there's just nothing there, is there? What's the problem? McLeish picked a decent side. Are some of the players not as good as we think/hope? Is it the way he's telling them to play? We are crying out for better off-the-ball movement. Never thought I'd say it but we're really going to miss Keane when he goes. Also can't help feeling we still really need a bastard in midfield.
On the stream I was watching, one of the commentators expressed their surprise that Gabby was captain today. He reckoned that either Collins or Hutton should be. Seriously? What kind of research do these guys get paid to do?
It's worrying. Some combination of the players we have, the staff and the general air of decline around the club really spells trouble. You can't see Lerner getting rid of McLeish either so I'm afraid it's only going to get worse. And it's not going to get immediate-relegation worse, it's going to get increasingly dull, grinding out draws, regularly finishing in 14th worse.
Given - 7 - stayed alert and made a couple of decent stops at the end.
Hutton - 7 - I don't rate him and think his crossing is terrible but he was very good today.
Collins - 6 - meh. Didn't do anything wrong but doesn't inspire confidence.
Cuellar - 7.5 - MOTM - looked solid, dependable, and a step up from Dunne. Hope he gets that contract.
Warnock - 6 - a better performance.
Albrighton - 6.5 - I like him. He tries and looks a threat. Tracked back well.
Gardner - 6 - he's going to be a good player and needs the game time so we should stick with him throughout. He battled well.
Bannan - 6.5 - anything good we were going to do was going to come through him or Keane. Good vision and just like Gardner needs a run of games.
Agbonlahor - 6 - didn't show much but I don't think sticking him on the left wing is the answer to anything.
Keane - 7 - always looking for opportunities for one-twos and through balls. The kind of player we need.
Bent - 6 - he really is one-dimensional. Poor in general build-up play and if the ball isn't running for him doesn't look like that great a finisher either. In his defence, he was really feeding off scraps again today. Injury looked worrying.
Heskey - 6 - why, why, why, why? I don't want to be a Heskey-basher but his star clearly waned some time ago. And he's not a right winger. Or an attacking midfielder. Or much of a striker anymore. Waste of a sub. I know N'Zogbia didn't do much when he came on but it would have been preferable.
Ireland - 6 - didn't get into the game.
N'Zogbia - 6 - didn't get into the game.
I think you have been EXCEPTIONALLY generous with those ratings. 3's and 4's t best I reckon. You really think we were 6.5 out of 10 today?
I don't think any individual player was particularly poor - it's the side as a whole. Something to do with the way they are being set up maybe. No-one was really crappy, it's just that no-one was particularly good. If Bent and Cuellar had scored their chances you'd look at it as a decent away performance. Don't misunderstand me - I don't think for a moment that we played well. It's just... you can only expect so much from the players within what they're being told to do. Putting Gabby at left wing isn't going to turn him into Cristiano Ronaldo. It's going to make him the same player we see every week giving it a go upfront struggling a bit in a position that is less than ideal.
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I fully expect his post match view will be that we played expansive, dynamic football - you know, the stuff he told us about in his letter - and were exceptionally unlucky not to win, but were outstanding defensively to keep a clean sheet against a powerful, total footballing, free-scoring side like Wigan.
but he's managed bunches of free-flowing attacking sides!
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Its like we have a huge python wrapped around our club and its squeezing the life out of us.
I prefer the analogy of a sucking gunshot wound to the chest, slowly filling our lungs with blood. But your python is OK.
I prefer to think of it as a big ginger man taking a giant shit on all of us, one after another. All the while demanding that we pay him £30 each for him to do it.
There used to be a club upstairs at a pub behind London Bridge station where it was only £15. Inflation sucks
Brvo!
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Clean sheet ... How often can we say that!
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At the final whistle, McLeish's men celebrated a point towards ensuring end of season survival.
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At the final whistle, McLeish's men celebrated a point towards ensuring end of season survival.
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What a bunch of helmets
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"Let's not pretend a 3-0 win against Bolton means Chelsea have solved any of their problems."
Some Chelsea supporter tweeting at the BBC. Puts it all into perspective.
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Albrighton tweet: Not good enough! Terrible performance! :@ ! Should be winning here!
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Clean sheet ... How often can we say that!
Same tactics next game then.
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Not good enough! Terrible performance! :@ ! Should be winning here!
Albrighton on Twitter.
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Despite all the negativity about how we are doomed and are going down, with our result today,we are no nearer the relegation zone.
Just guessing, but I am going to go out on a limb and say this time last year, we were nearer the relegation zone than we are today.
No need to panic, people.
You really believe its all about edging a point and not being any nearer relegation ?
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I don't think McLeish deserves this.
It's like attacking Anne Widdecombe for not winning Strictly.
He is just a poor prat promoted above his abilities by an incompetent board of directors who know very little about football and care even less.
Alex McLeish is just a decent bloke totally and completely out of his depth and hung out to dry by his employers. I feel very sorry for him. He must go of course but the board will even screw up the timing of his departure.
hammer, nail, head !!
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Albrighton on twitter ?? WTF !
Sorry Marc, but fuck off.
I don't want to hear it. and why are you posting shit out there anyway ?
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I think thats the first time i've ever got a pre-match score correct, bosha!
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I think thats the first time i've ever got a pre-match score correct, bosha!
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Albrighton on twitter ?? WTF !
Sorry Marc, but fuck off.
I don't want to hear it. and why are you posting shit out there anyway ?
Yeah and you were the worst player on the pitch, just like you were against Man City.
The sooner this useless muppet is out of our first team the better.
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Albrighton on twitter ?? WTF !
Sorry Marc, but fuck off.
I don't want to hear it. and why are you posting shit out there anyway ?
Obviously the manager has locked them in the dressing room for an hour. Or, alternatively has just walked in said 'well done lads, great clean sheet' and got on the coach.
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Albrighton tweet: Not good enough! Terrible performance! :@ ! Should be winning here!
At least one person in the club is living in the real world.
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Entirely predictable performance.
Some on here seem surprised we served up that crap.
Why?
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I think the reason Albrighton didn't do too much was because he spent virtually 90 minutes tracking back to help Hutton out.
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I think the answer lies at the bottom of a pint glass. I'm off to find out.
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McLeish - 'we had the better chances and disappointed we didn't win.'
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'People need to put it in perspective, this is a very difficult job, but I am disappointed we haven't won here.'
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McLeish - 'we had the better chances and disappointed we didn't win.'
What a clueless fucker.
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'I'm determined to get this team up the table and move onto better things next season.'
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I think the reason Albrighton didn't do too much was because he spent virtually 90 minutes tracking back to help Hutton out.
Spot on.
We are doomed with this man in charge.
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McLeish - 'we had the better chances and disappointed we didn't win.'
What a clueless fucker.
He is borderline retarded.
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The BBC have managed four sentences on the game. One of them (by Anna Thompson) reads:-
'The game ended goalless but the scoreline defied the open, end-to-end action in an entertaining match.'
Was I watching a different game because I watched a boring shite game. Again.
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Does he watch the same matches as the rest of us !!!
Jesus wept !!
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'People need to put it in perspective, this is a very difficult job, but I am disappointed we haven't won here.'
Thats kind of pissed me off, the Villa job is a bloody marvelous opportunity that the majority of managers around the country and perhaps Europe would absolutely love to have.
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In trying to cut the wage bill we paid for this man.
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How many attempts on target did we have?
I remember Bent's in the first half, whcih was saved, and Cuellar's header straight at the keeper.
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Despite the controversy, Paul Faulkner, chief executive of Aston Villa, said: "We believe we have appointed the right man for the job.
"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Premier League experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa.
"Alex is someone with whom we will work closely and work well together.
"With our strong squad combining the necessary virtues of experience and the exciting potential of our young players, our objective is to compete as strongly as we possibly can.
"Alex's vast experience and proven abilities demonstrate clearly that he is a strong leader and an ambitious man and we are looking forward very much to the exciting new season about to start," Faulkner added.
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He is borderline retarded.
You really do need to get a sense of perspective. You've so far today managed to use insults connected with mental illness, and a disease that kills scores of people every year. Just grow up.
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Well just got back home. Dire and appalling would probably suffice but I can think of a whole heap more adjectives that would explain that performance. As for our clueless Manager, set the team up wrong and didn't know how to change it.
The only positive, and I mean the only one, was we kept a clean sheet for the first time since god knows when and that was more down to Wigan being even more shite than us.
I must admit in my 20 years following the club thats the first time I've witnessed the fans turn on the Manager.
Finally,must say a big thanks for Dave W getting me a ticket when I turned up at the away end 5 minutes before kick off!!!
See you all at Blackburn then.......
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'People need to put it in perspective, this is a very difficult job, but I am disappointed we haven't won here.'
He needs to go.
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Despite the controversy, Paul Faulkner, chief executive of Aston Villa, said: "We believe we have appointed the right man for the job.
"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Premier League experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa.
"Alex is someone with whom we will work closely and work well together.
"With our strong squad combining the necessary virtues of experience and the exciting potential of our young players, our objective is to compete as strongly as we possibly can.
"Alex's vast experience and proven abilities demonstrate clearly that he is a strong leader and an ambitious man and we are looking forward very much to the exciting new season about to start," Faulkner added.
Unquestionably Alex doesn't meet my criteria. Not used my season ticket for 4 matches, the club is a shambles. Oh wont be renewing with this twat in charge.
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Blackburn are a much better outfit now and seem to be getting it together a little, i expect it to be a much harder game than today so it doesn't look good.
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Yup and Blackburn are capable of scoring unlike Wigan
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Blackburn have proven this season they are more than capable of scoring goals in any game. What we have proved this season is that we are not, and not only that, we are mostly incapable of keeping them out. It will help them not having Samba. It certainly won't help that in all probability we won't have Bent.
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'I'm determined to get this team up the table and move onto better things next season.'
If you're still here next season Alex, I won't be.
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The BBC have managed four sentences on the game. One of them (by Anna Thompson) reads:-
'The game ended goalless but the scoreline defied the open, end-to-end action in an entertaining match.'
Was I watching a different game because I watched a boring shite game. Again.
Just goes to show what women know about football. *wink, wink*
It was a terrible game. Any end to end stuff was in no way entertaining.
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Blackburn have proven this season they are more than capable of scoring goals in any game. What we have proved this season is that we are not, and not only that, we are mostly incapable of keeping them out. It will help them not having Samba. It certainly won't help that in all probability we won't have Bent.
What's wrong with playing the team that went to chelsea and won? no bent until the end in that one with ireland running the midfield and gabby up front.
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Not good but we had enough chances to win that.
Crowd turned against McLeish - I can fully understand that but it can't do the team any good to hear that. The bloke is out of his depth but the blame must fall on Lerner/Faulkner in appointing him.
It's going to be tough at Ewood next week!
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What a clueless fucker.
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From the official site...
"Villa were unable to give Robbie Keane a winning send-off but at least they collected a useful away point against basement club Wigan Athletic."
Useful point? Top marks for spinning a positive here!
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What is the situation with Bent? Is it serious or was it just a precautionary stretcher job?
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McLeish - 'we had the better chances and disappointed we didn't win.'
What a clueless fucker.
He is borderline retarded.
That final comment would embarrass most of us.
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Blackburn have proven this season they are more than capable of scoring goals in any game. What we have proved this season is that we are not, and not only that, we are mostly incapable of keeping them out. It will help them not having Samba. It certainly won't help that in all probability we won't have Bent.
What's wrong with playing the team that went to chelsea and won? no bent until the end in that one with ireland running the midfield and gabby up front.
Definitely.
The fact that Ireland hasn't been in the team the last couple of games is staggering.
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My 70 year old uncle- not a vengeful man by any means- turned to me at the final whistle and said "Lerner should do the decent thing: take himself down to the study, a glass of Scotch and a service revolver and bite down hard."
A bit harsh I thought, and a waste of good Scotch.
An honour killing, taking out Big Eck and Faulkner will suffice.
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What is the situation with Bent? Is it serious or was it just a precautionary stretcher job?
McLeish says it seems serious, he was in agony but won't know until a scan and swelling has gone down. Blamed the pitch. Thinks it's ankle ligaments.
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What is the situation with Bent? Is it serious or was it just a precautionary stretcher job?
Gone over on his ankle and he left the ground on crutches.He has withdrawn from the England squad
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Id be surprosed if bent makes the euros as it looked a really bad injury- at least mcleish can play his pet heskey now though just when we thought it couldnt get worse.
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Blackburn have proven this season they are more than capable of scoring goals in any game. What we have proved this season is that we are not, and not only that, we are mostly incapable of keeping them out. It will help them not having Samba. It certainly won't help that in all probability we won't have Bent.
What's wrong with playing the team that went to chelsea and won? no bent until the end in that one with ireland running the midfield and gabby up front.
Nothing at all. The fact that we have not played like that since makes me wonder if ever will again under McLeish. That entire 90 minutes feels like a flash in the pan, or false dawn now. it should have been a springboard to much better things but quite frankly it's been the exact opposite. My fear is that he'll go up the to snatch a point which will be viewed as some sort of victory.
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Just got home. Dire.
Only saving grace is we didn't concede as I thought it was good odds that Wigan would nick one.
Oh, and McCleish has now got most of the away support calling for his head. Doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season.
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Blackburn have proven this season they are more than capable of scoring goals in any game. What we have proved this season is that we are not, and not only that, we are mostly incapable of keeping them out. It will help them not having Samba. It certainly won't help that in all probability we won't have Bent.
What's wrong with playing the team that went to chelsea and won? no bent until the end in that one with ireland running the midfield and gabby up front.
Nothing at all. The fact that we have not played like that since makes me wonder if ever will again under McLeish. That entire 90 minutes feels like a flash in the pan, or false dawn now. it should have been a springboard to much better things but quite frankly it's been the exact opposite. My fear is that he'll go up the to snatch a point which will be viewed as some sort of victory.
I reckon he'll be happy with a point today.
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Oh, and McCleish has now got most of the away support calling for his head. Doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season.
Thought I heard "we want our Villa back" at one point.
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Oh, and McCleish has now got most of the away support calling for his head. Doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season.
Thought I heard "we want our Villa back" at one point.
You did. Along with "F*ck off McLeish, the Villa is ours" and "Sack McLeish, M'Lord".
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Oh, and McCleish has now got most of the away support calling for his head. Doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season.
Thought I heard "we want our Villa back" at one point.
You did. Kendrick was tweeting some of the chants.
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Doesnt help us having seen the most dire shit football
Match today thst the 2 men randy wanted to bring in were the men managing today- glad martinez didnt come but if mcleish is sacked god knows who lerner will go for next - he seems totally clueless.
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Oh, and McCleish has now got most of the away support calling for his head. Doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season.
Thought I heard "we want our Villa back" at one point.
You did. Along with "F*ck off McLeish, the Villa is ours" and "Sack McLeish, M'Lord".
Wow, he has finally done it,managed to alienate everybody, this and the poor take up of season tickets should finish him,
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Just got home. Dire.
Only saving grace is we didn't concede as I thought it was good odds that Wigan would nick one.
Oh, and McCleish has now got most of the away support calling for his head. Doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season.
This seems a turning point,away games were a haven for McCleish away from the hostility of VP,but fans can only take so much poor football,and insulting our intelligence in his post match comments,this is only gonna end in tears now,hopefully his,not ours.
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Just an observation:
The players deserve some credit as they're following the manager's orders to the letter. It would be very easy for them to want to attack (especially against a side like wigan) yet they showed great discipline, especially at the end when arguably the game was there to be won.
I appreciate that's a bit or a weird compliment, but I have often blamed them for unprofessionalism whereas they're doing as they're instructed.
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Oh, and McCleish has now got most of the away support calling for his head. Doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season.
Thought I heard "we want our Villa back" at one point.
You did. Along with "F*ck off McLeish, the Villa is ours" and "Sack McLeish, M'Lord".
Wow, he has finally done it,managed to alienate everybody, this and the poor take up of season tickets should finish him,
Not a chance - randy and faulkner dont have the balls to admit they got it wrong , we will have many more painful days to come with the 3 stooges at the helm.
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Woeful - and freezing.
Sack McLeish my lord the villa fans sang.
I was one of them
Yes it's true - you obviously weren't there mate
Is that true?
I have not heard any "organised" or sustained negativity
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Ian Taylor has tweeted: Afraid the fans have had enough. The most hostile I've heard towards the manager. They spend their cash and entitled to vent frustration.
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What is the situation with Bent? Is it serious or was it just a precautionary stretcher job?
Gone over on his ankle and he left the ground on crutches.He has withdrawn from the England squad
Just what we need right now. Hopefully not too serious and he will quickly recover. Without Keane it is all down to Gabby now!
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Oh, and McCleish has now got most of the away support calling for his head. Doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season.
Thought I heard "we want our Villa back" at one point.
You did. Along with "F*ck off McLeish, the Villa is ours" and "Sack McLeish, M'Lord".
Wow, he has finally done it,managed to alienate everybody, this and the poor take up of season tickets should finish him,
Having had to leave early, my spy informs me that at the end of the game McLeish clapped the crowd and got heavily booed. The players clapped and got cheered.
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All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.
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Poor today. Really, really poor.
I feel sorry for Mcleish, but that, again, was just not good enough. If he was Spurs manager, he would've gone by christmas. If he was managing Everton, gone. Newcastle, maybe gone too.
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Oh, and McCleish has now got most of the away support calling for his head. Doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season.
Thought I heard "we want our Villa back" at one point.
You did. Along with "F*ck off McLeish, the Villa is ours" and "Sack McLeish, M'Lord".
Wow, he has finally done it,managed to alienate everybody, this and the poor take up of season tickets should finish him,
Having had to leave early, my spy informs me that at the end of the game McLeish clapped the crowd and got heavily booed. The players clapped and got cheered.
Indeed that is correct. He quickly turned and went off down the tunnel after the crowd response to his wave.
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McLeish - 'we had the better chances and disappointed we didn't win.'
What a clueless fucker.
He is borderline retarded.
You've lost me. How can you assume that he is "borderline retarded" from that soundbite?
Please explain.
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Just about calmed down - I saw Dave Woodhall before the game and said I would walk out if Heskey came on - he did and so did I.We were poor all across the park today.Gardner who looks confident and solid in the youth and reserves looked like a rabbit staring at the headlights of ancoming car. Why on earth can`t we pass the bloody thing for more than 3 passes?
My daughter turned to me today (it was her first away game) and said "why do Villa keep kicking the ball up in the air?" - Nuff said. This feckin joker is dragging us deeper and deeper into the shit -I guess there are three poorer teams than us this season but as for next, who knows.
Despite having a season ticket I have feeling that next week could be the last game for me this season - if that clown is still manager come the late spring/ early summer Mr Lerner will have a big wake up call because season ticket sales will be considerably down.
Do us a favour Randy and sack the twat before its too late - I would rather Sid and Mac take us to the end of the season.
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No he didn't, he was the last of the pitch with the referee.
An awful display and a poisonous atmosphere. Bad days indeed.
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Poor today. Really, really poor.
I feel sorry for Mcleish, but that, again, was just not good enough. If he was Spurs manager, he would've gone by christmas. If he was managing Everton, gone. Newcastle, maybe gone too.
That's because they have chairmen who understand the game and their fans (Newcastle excluded!)and haven't put their personal reputation on the line by hiring and endorsing such a poor manager ???
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Does anybody fancy us away at Norwich last game of season if we need a result to stat up? We are getting dragged into the shit.
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The most depressing fact is that you can count the decent displays on hand,one and a half at a push,its not like weve been unlucky a lot of the time,when youre so poor going forward and dont create too many chances,that creates pressure on the defence,and our defending has been piss poor,its only due to us playing the worse team in the league that we didnt concede today.
He wont get fired,he wont quit,so the fact that he's here for the long run makes our current state even more gut wrenching.
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Just got back. My 2 lads first away game and in their words the worst game of football they have ever watched.
Insipid. He talked up CNZ and leaves him on the bench - shit management. Then to bring Heskey on leaving us with no wingers, just genius. I would go with Mac and Sid, they could not do worse.
McLeish OUT!
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I didn't watch it or listen to it (thank god) but read the whole of the match thread on here whilst watching the rugby. The one thing that stood out for me is after a very poor season with some of the worst football I have witnessed as a villa fan, the attempt at pre match positivity by posters on here.
But boy does a Villa game do the trick for draining that positivity out of people.
I think despite popular opinion Villa fans aren't negative but more realists. We call a spade a spade and can spot a turd a mile off. And Alex McLeish is definitely a turd, he is not up to it. The 'silent majority' spotted this when he was appointed, but stayed silent. But he should go now, I was willing to give him time, and of course wanted him to do well (why wouldn't I?). If Randy can't see that then he should pack off too.
Football should be there to keep us interested and offer some entertainment to take our minds off the more difficult things life throws our way. TBH I'd rather be at work than watch a Villa game at the moment (hell I have had more fun at funerals), and that's saying something.
McLeish has to go, and if its not quickly Randy should go too. I don't think this would be too much of a hardship for him as he doesn't seem that interested in turning up to the games of the football team that he owns. When the going gets tough, he seems to find a big rock somewhere in America to crawl under.
And don't even get me started on Faulkner, he has a house on my parents road in Sutton, and I have a nagging urge to post printed off match threads from here through his letter box. Inept.
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Evening all
First time poster here, Villa follower for +30 years, just back from Wigan.
I don't normally come onto forums to post, but do read them.
However, today is the final straw for me after what I've just witnessed.
It's Billy Mcneill all over again isn't it
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Poor today. Really, really poor.
I feel sorry for Mcleish, but that, again, was just not good enough. If he was Spurs manager, he would've gone by christmas. If he was managing Everton, gone. Newcastle, maybe gone too.
I don't get this. Why do people feel sorry for McLeish?
He sent a gutless e-mail to a club that was in the brink of administration to move here for more money, another shot at the Premier League and better players. It's not like his hands were tied completely having spent over 17m as well. The fans for the most part have been patient with him and he's had no where near the hostile reception as Houllier. He's had the chance to win us several times but he keeps making it worse for himself. I mean, let's recap. He selects Heskey when there's Ireland and N'Zogbia on the bench. There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.
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Does anybody fancy us away at Norwich last game of season if we need a result to stat up? We are getting dragged into the shit.
Didn't we have to go to Norwich last game a few years back in danger of going down? If we had lost and 2/3 other results had gone against us we could have dropped. As it was we did the necessary and about an hour in with other teams beneath us looking well beaten the panic was over. I remember it was the likes of Andy Townsend standing up to be counted that day to see us though.
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There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.
No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.
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Poor today. Really, really poor.
I feel sorry for Mcleish, but that, again, was just not good enough. If he was Spurs manager, he would've gone by christmas. If he was managing Everton, gone. Newcastle, maybe gone too.
I don't get this. Why do people feel sorry for McLeish?
He sent a gutless e-mail to a club that was in the brink of administration to move here for more money, another shot at the Premier League and better players. It's not like his hands were tied completely having spent over 17m as well. The fans for the most part have been patient with him and he's had no where near the hostile reception as Houllier. He's had the chance to win us several times but he keeps making it worse for himself. I mean, let's recap. He selects Heskey when there's Ireland and N'Zogbia on the bench. There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.
Cause he's a decent bloke, most of us can see it - you can't and seem to take every opportunity to call him 'retard' or something. Have you ever been in a situation where you're trying your best but can't make a difference? That's what's happening with AM. He isn't running the club down a la O'Leary and hasn't quit in a strop like Martin O Neill. EIther he or his coaching staff(or both) aren't good enough and that's the truth of it. Calling him names and throwing your dummy out the pram won't change it.
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There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.
No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.
Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.
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There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.
No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.
Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.
Congratulations, you've just proved my point.
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The abuse he got at the ground today was OTT IMHO
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McLeish. The worst thing associated with Villa since Steve Hodge.
I guess he's even surpassed him now.
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McLeish. The worst thing associated with Villa since Steve Hodge.
I guess he's even surpassed him now.
Eh? How can you compare the two?
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I'm pretty sure Freedom of Speech doesn't include abuse.
Big difference between abuse and criticism. He's not up to it so he deserves criticism not abuse.
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There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.
No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.
Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.
Congratulations, you've just proved my point.
Sorry, I'm gonna take what Ian Taylor says more seriously than you.
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I'm pretty sure Freedom of Speech doesn't include abuse.
Big difference between abuse and criticism. He's not up to it so he deserves criticism not abuse.
Yep.
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This thread is almost as depressing as the game. Alcohol time.
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I went to the game today - we set up with an offensive line-up but potential weakness in central MF. And so it proved.
I couldn't understand playing an offensive line-up and then encouraging defensive football - just didn't make sense.
The first display of out-and-out anger toward McL I've seen / heard - when Emile came on, inevitably. From then on, it was all "McL out". Not surprising really: what the team was crying out for was Herd as a third CMF; we got Heskey playing as second right back.
It really was bad, 'cos Wigan themselves were so poor.
McL has not got what it takes - end of.
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There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.
No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.
Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.
I understand freedom of speech perfectly. It allows people to say what they want. It doesn't make what they say right or mean that I'm not allowed to say that I think they are wrong.
Let me provide you with an example of the difference between criticism and abuse, since you seem to be struggling.
The food you are served in a restuarant is crap. It's bland and tastes really bad.
(a) Criticism - Saying it's bland and tastes really bad and you'd like a replacement.
(b) Abuse - Calling the waiter a 'retard' and 'like cancer'
I doubt whether you'll understand the difference even now, but I tried.
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It's football, so everything is distorted out of proportion, blame Shankly for that.
From day one this was going to happen, it's not a surprise and the thought of today and what's ahead motivated the protest(s). However half hearted or counter productive they were perceived to be, they were nothing compared to the approach of the manager.
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There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.
No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.
Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.
Congratulations, you've just proved my point.
Sorry, I'm gonna take what Ian Taylor says more seriously than you.
Again, proving you can't tell the difference between what Ian Taylor said and the things you have been saying.
And sorry, but I'm going to take what Mad Doris McMad the Milkman's Mistress says more seriously than you.
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McLeish. The worst thing associated with Villa since Steve Hodge.
I guess he's even surpassed him now.
You forgot O'Leary & McNeill
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Been out all day since lunch and I think I want to stay away from Villa related things for now. I will catch up later before bed I think.
There is only so many times you can stay positive and think of good things to say about McLeish. Maybe sometimes you blinker yourself so much to wanting things to work out for the good for Villa that you try and look for anything good to try and believe it will come good. Will it? Fuck knows.
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To compare things now with DOL or Hodge is silly. AM might be many things but he's not vindictive, spiteful or nasty.
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The most frustrating thing for me is that we have proved this season away from home that we can be dangerous and get results. If we had played like we did at Newcastle we would have coasted to a win.
6 wins from 26 games is a horrendous record, less than one win for every four matches we play. We'll do well to get to double figures and if we don't it'll probably be the first time since we last got relegated that we failed to get 10 or more wins. Draw-specialists at best. There was a fair bit of that under MON but at least he had a knack of nicking a fair few matches by the odd goal. Today was our first clean-sheet since our last 0-0 at Stoke. I honestly thought that McLeish would make us tight and ground out a lot of narrow wins. What I'd give for a string of 1-0 victories right now.
And leaving Ireland and N'Zogbia on the bench strikes me as him continuing to punish them for their attitude in the Newcastle game. If the answer on 70 minutes is Emile Heskey I struggle to see what the question is.
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At least Blackburn and Bolton both lost today.
One again, it's a team selection that borders on hope rather than any kind of considered game plan. Obvious vulnerability in central midfield - would have thought the plan was to bring Ireland in (if Herd not fit to start) and go with a three; Gardner, Ireland, Bannan. Herd as the change midfielder.
Assuming Petrov was a late injury drop-out - other than him, the manager would have known everyone else's availability. He's had two weeks to prepare for this match.
I'm not sure what his plan is regarding N'Zogbia right now. Seems to be psychologically destroying him. Thought this game would have been a nailed-on start for him.
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To compare things now with DOL or Hodge is silly. AM might be many things but he's not vindictive, spiteful or nasty.
Agree, he never talks the club down which is a positive.
However, I'm not sure he's a good manager.
Or is it the players letting him down
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There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.
No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.
Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.
As far as I'm concerned you are perfectly entitled to abuse him. Call him a useless ******, a stupid prick or whatever you want. It's when you come out with comments likening him to someone who is mentally retarded or to a cancer at the club. It's not that it is offensive to him but rather the people who have suffered from things like that or their relatives. I lost my mother to cancer and I'm sure that I'm not the only person on this site who has lost a loved one to cancer. Indeed, there are probably people on here who have suffered cancer. To liken him to that kind of thing just makes you seem like an utter twat.
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All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.
It will only get worse now, we have held back but the flood gates will open.
I will still find it difficult to boo a Villa manager though - what the hell else do we do?
May have to write a stern letter...
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I actually also feel abit sorry for AM as really this is all Lerner's fault.
He was never good enough, is being hung out to dry and Lerner is nowhere to be seen.
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I actually also feel abit sorry for AM as really this is all Lerner's fault.
Totally agree
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All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.
It will only get worse now, we have held back but the flood gates will open.
I will still find it difficult to boo a Villa manager though - what the hell else do we do?
May have to write a stern letter...
A stern letter to who ? Randy Lerner ? I would be amazed you would get even an acknowledgment from the club these days. I remember writing `stern letters`to Doug on three occasions, he always replied and one time with an even sterner reply. Fair play to the old bugger.
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I actually also feel abit sorry for AM as really this is all Lerner's fault.
He was never good enough, is being hung out to dry and Lerner is nowhere to be seen.
It's hard to feel sorry for a guy who has a 3 year contract and has doubled his wages and plucked from the obscurity of the Championship. He probably actually couldn't believe his luck, knew the restraints and didn't mind one bit.
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I actually also feel abit sorry for AM as really this is all Lerner's fault.
He was never good enough, is being hung out to dry and Lerner is nowhere to be seen.
It's hard to feel sorry for a guy who has a 3 year contract and has doubled his wages and plucked from the obscurity of the Championship. He probably actually couldn't believe his luck, knew the restraints and didn't mind one bit.
and one other pretty big thing...he shit on his old club to take the job.
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Not long back.
I'm 35, I've been watching us since I was 7 and playing football just as long.
That was one of the worst games I've football I've ever seen, at any level, and another 2 points slip by whilst our manager clings happily to his beloved point.
Nice to say hello to Dave before the game, after he'd had me for 2 fanzines, he shook my hand without taking his eyes off the potential customer behind me behind me.
Respect.
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All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.
It will only get worse now, we have held back but the flood gates will open.
I will still find it difficult to boo a Villa manager though - what the hell else do we do?
May have to write a stern letter...
A stern letter to who ? Randy Lerner ? I would be amazed you would get even an acknowledgment from the club these days. I remember writing `stern letters`to Doug on three occasions, he always replied and one time with an even sterner reply. Fair play to the old bugger.
It was a comment to show how utterly helpless I, and possibly many others, feel about the situation. We are British after all.
Was also a bit of a joke ;-)
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We got out played by what has to be one of the worst sides in the Premiership in recent years, and consistently worse, had they had better finishers we would have surely lost that one.
7pts from the next worse team and 9 from the drop zone but for me we are already in there, the only way that we are not rooted in there is because it just so happens there are some pretty poor sides in the Premiership this season.
We have to take advantage of this break we have, McLiesh must now go, Faulkner must go with him and if Randy Lerner doesn't get that he is going to face an increasingly hostile fan base and a huge loss of gate money, he must act now and I think he will after that today, because that showed even with Bent even with Keane we are playing utter crap.
.........and I have to ask this, how do you release a press statement about a player saying you want more from him (N'Zogbia) on the eve of the match and then stick him on the bench, if ever you wanted to screw a player up, there it is in one easy lesson, you say that to rev the bloke up, get him in the starting blocks, and let the bloke lose on the enemy.
Change now has to happen or i really fear for Aston Villa.
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I doubt that Lerner will sack Mc Leish either now or in the summer, He will keep stum i'm afraid
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woke up at 4 am to watch it......now feeling as crap as the match was..why do we bother...then I remembered the chant I heard from the Villa fans....I am Villa till I die.
Well done to all who went shame about the match though
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M6 & M5 were pretty clear, so I made it back just before 8pm
One of the more puzzling afternoons that I've spent watching the Villla.
Maybe Herd wasn't fully fit, because the Baz & Gaz combination seemed a strange idea to start with. Gardner did OK for me but Bannan seems to have regressed. He seemed to run around a lot without actually doing anything.
I'm beginning to think that Eck is using Emile now out of spite. Ireland was given such a round of applause when he warmed up that Eck must have heard. Emile's shot was one of his classics.
Then to bring off Gardner instead of Bannan, when Ireland came on, just made my confusion worse.
Hutton had a nightmare first half but seemed to settle down. However, he's still not adequate for this league.
Carlos was excellent again (apart from his weak header on goal in the second half).
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There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our club with horrible negative decisions.
No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to understand the difference.
Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of speech.
As far as I'm concerned you are perfectly entitled to abuse him. Call him a useless c***, a stupid prick or whatever you want. It's when you come out with comments likening him to someone who is mentally retarded or to a cancer at the club. It's not that it is offensive to him but rather the people who have suffered from things like that or their relatives. I lost my mother to cancer and I'm sure that I'm not the only person on this site who has lost a loved one to cancer. Indeed, there are probably people on here who have suffered cancer. To liken him to that kind of thing just makes you seem like an utter twat.
It does, and I think we've heard enough from Compass.
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I doubt that Lerner will sack Mc Leish either now or in the summer, He will keep stum i'm afraid
Thing is Moorski, I don't mind seeing Villa in the Championship if we have put up one hell of a fight and struggle but it just so happens there would be better sides than us. Outside of the top 5 maybe 6 the Premiership is pretty poor this season.
What I can't see is Villa going down at a whimper, down to ineptitude and sheer incompetence.
If Lerner don't get that he needs to sell the club because he don't get anything.
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I'm beginning to think that Eck is using Emile now out of spite. Ireland was given such a round of applause when he warmed up that Eck must have heard. Emile's shot was one of his classics.
I think it is fear from AM - "don't let yourselves get stretched" - bit of a turnaround for Ireland though isn't ti?
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McLeish and Lerner are incompetent, clueless fucks.
And at the risk of falling foul of this site, so is Faulkner.
We're deep in the shit and the depth is getting worse.
The only person happy with todays result will be McLeish.
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Having witnessed that, I can now see a loss next week and a draw at home to Fulham, leaving us in deep trouble
& no Keane and the injuries are mounting
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Having witnessed that, I can now see a loss next week and a draw at home to Fulham, leaving us in deep trouble
& no Keane and the injuries are mounting
The reaction at the next two home matches will be interesting if we don't pick up the pace and at least play well/with spirit.
Haven't heard the Holte chanting against AM yet, will that change?
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Well I predicted a dire draw, predicting what Villa will do is getting very easy, with our 1 in 4 games win ratio we have 2 games left to keep that record, I cannot see us winning at Blackburn so the win will have to be at Home to Fulham but with our home record that will be very difficult, its so depressing and feels like a slow death, Randy will blindly stick with Alex all the way to the Championship which will definately happen come the end of next season.
As for the rest of the season with the exit of Keane its about to get even uglier but we will just survive, what is happening to our wonderful club.
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The Bolton home game is moved back now as they are in FA CUp QF action
Lose at Blackburn and Fulham at home could be interesting
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A defeat against Blackburn would put the team under serious pressure at home to Fulham,should the game not be going too well then I reckon that the Holte End will vent their anger towards Mc Leish, I think he knows that already.
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Normally reproducing your home form for away matches is good. Not, however, for the Villa.
We used to do OK on the road, but now we're just as bad as at Villa Park.
The way things are going, Villa will be playing Wigan again next season.
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A defeat against Blackburn would put the team under serious pressure at home to Fulham,should the game not be going too well then I reckon that the Holte End will vent their anger towards Mc Leish, I think he knows that already.
That fear of us turning on him will drive his fear of losing into overdrive. I expect we will put in an even cagier, more defensive performance than today against Blackburn.
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A defeat against Blackburn would put the team under serious pressure at home to Fulham,should the game not be going too well then I reckon that the Holte End will vent their anger towards Mc Leish, I think he knows that already.
That fear of us turning on him will drive his fear of losing into overdrive. I expect we will put in an even cagier, more defensive performance than today against Blackburn.
Agreed.
It will be backs to the wall to attempt another 0-0.
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A defeat against Blackburn would put the team under serious pressure at home to Fulham,should the game not be going too well then I reckon that the Holte End will vent their anger towards Mc Leish, I think he knows that already.
That fear of us turning on him will drive his fear of losing into overdrive. I expect we will put in an even cagier, more defensive performance than today against Blackburn.
OMG, already spent best part of £100 on tickets for this
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Diabolical game.
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Actually thought Gabby did well today but wasnt fully fit / match sharp
In a way, Bent being out, will be a blessing in disguise as Gabby at CF once fit, will be good i think
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Blackburn Away.
Fulham, Arsenal and Chelsea, lets face it we don't take all points from Blackburn and we are looking at the drop.
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No Keane, No Bent, virtually no chance of a win at Ewood
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Strange game, it looked a good selection at the start but gabby and albrighton were tucked in too much to protect the full backs again. We play to avoid defeat first and win after if we can. Someone posted earlier that the players played the managers system with great discipline and would agree with that even if I think it was the wrong thing to do.
Sad to say as well that Gary isn't as good as his brother Craig Gardner, or at best just the same but without the aggression or shot.
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I really think we will get sucked into a dogfight. Today was a disgrace, the man must of known the reaction he would get when he brought Emile on for Albrighton. It's like he wants the sack. I really can't see how anyone can defend him after watching that shite today. No Keane, no Bent and no idea where our next win is coming from. Anyway, see you at Blackburn ;) UTV
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Actually thought Gabby did well today but wasnt fully fit / match sharp
In a way, Bent being out, will be a blessing in disguise as Gabby at CF once fit, will be good i think
If there was anything positive today it was Collins and Cuellar.
I thought they were rock solid, thankfully, as they may have a busy time ahead.
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Actually thought Gabby did well today but wasnt fully fit / match sharp
In a way, Bent being out, will be a blessing in disguise as Gabby at CF once fit, will be good i think
Really ? He was dreadful today- I couldnt tell you what position he was playing - he was totally ineffective.
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erm no, he had 3 or 4 decent runs behind their defence
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Need six points from the next two games. Achievable, but we thought that about today and look at what happened.
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Actually thought Gabby did well today but wasnt fully fit / match sharp
In a way, Bent being out, will be a blessing in disguise as Gabby at CF once fit, will be good i think
Really ? He was dreadful today- I couldnt tell you what position he was playing - he was totally ineffective.
I don't recognize the guy anymore, I'm one of those who when everybody was coming out with those "No football brain" and " One trick pony" and " inconsistent" jibes, I wouldn't hear of it, for me Gabby had huge massive potential and with the right manager behind him bringing it out he would have become one of the very best in the Premiership, 2 crap seasons of being played out of position with managers that just don't get him and his determination to stay at Villa, IMO will see him gradually fade and his game suffer, probably end up playing for somebody like QPR or Wolves, utterly underachieved.
That's another reason why we need change now, he's still only 24 and he still can fulfill that potential.
Put Rooney under McLiesh and I guarantee the player would fade into obscurity in no time.
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All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.
Jimmy please dont speak for everybody if you are not in full possession of the facts. Were you at the game, cos if you were you would know that it was not the entire away end chanting abusive songs at the manager. Both me and my son did not join in nor did plenty of people around me. It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this. I am not happy at all with our current performances but Randy just aint gonna sack this guy at least not until the summer and even then absolutely and only as a last resort. You see you have to have a solution before chopping Mcleish. We have just handed the baton of the most inept executive team in the Premier league to Morgan and Moxey down at Wolves. we don't want it back just yet thanks. Chill out we are closer to eigth place points wise that the relegation zone and your onlt going to need around 34-35 points max to stay up.
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Just got back. We were poor, very poor. Having said that you'd swear we'd lost 4-0 the reaction of some.
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Gabby is not a winger. He's a goal scorer. I'm not worried about Bent's because he's completely ineffective under McLeish's cowardly system. Gabby can run at defenders and can create chances for himself. I think well do better with him as a forward, especially now Keane has gone and Ireland can get back to his preferred position. Keane's worked really hard for us but he's keeping Ireland out, and I think Ireland is the better in that position. We were showing signs of recovery until Keane came, and I don't think it's any coincidence that we've turned to shite since his arrival.
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All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.
It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this.
That he's a plank and it's obvious to (almost) everyone?
I'm sure they were heartened by the cheers they got at the end. Cheers for them, boos for him. Just in case they were in any doubt.
This is one of those rare situations where the blame for dire results can almost solely be blamed by the ineptness of the bloke in the dugout.
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Just got back after a circuitous route via London.
Not a fun day out at all and endured stone cold sober.
Driving back from international I heard some of McLeish's post match comments. He's on a different planet to me I'm afraid.
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So to get back to Brum from Wigan you ended up via London? Women drivers! ;)
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All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.
Jimmy please dont speak for everybody if you are not in full possession of the facts. Were you at the game, cos if you were you would know that it was not the entire away end chanting abusive songs at the manager. Both me and my son did not join in nor did plenty of people around me. It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this. I am not happy at all with our current performances but Randy just aint gonna sack this guy at least not until the summer and even then absolutely and only as a last resort. You see you have to have a solution before chopping Mcleish. We have just handed the baton of the most inept executive team in the Premier league to Morgan and Moxey down at Wolves. we don't want it back just yet thanks. Chill out we are closer to eigth place points wise that the relegation zone and your onlt going to need around 34-35 points max to stay up.
Yes but seriously do you not think that when you are looking over a potential precipice, and Villa certainly are if you look at the coming fixtures, sometimes, sometimes, you have to force change, and sometimes its the fans responsibility to make that happen, how many times do you see that happen, Blackburn are a classic example of management ineptitude and the do nothing scenario.
Have to say I don't agree with the points threshold either, as we get to the end game a lot of the teams below us will be fighting very aggressively to stay up, Wolves did today, as it happens the very thing you are suggesting maybe the very thing that keeps Villa up, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, exception being Wolves are all such teams keeping the faith and doing nothing and staying with the manager, all could be relegated.
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Or you could look at QPR who did change their manager and still look as bad, if not worse, than they did under Warnock.
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All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.
Jimmy please dont speak for everybody if you are not in full possession of the facts. Were you at the game, cos if you were you would know that it was not the entire away end chanting abusive songs at the manager. Both me and my son did not join in nor did plenty of people around me. It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this. I am not happy at all with our current performances but Randy just aint gonna sack this guy at least not until the summer and even then absolutely and only as a last resort. You see you have to have a solution before chopping Mcleish. We have just handed the baton of the most inept executive team in the Premier league to Morgan and Moxey down at Wolves. we don't want it back just yet thanks. Chill out we are closer to eigth place points wise that the relegation zone and your onlt going to need around 34-35 points max to stay up.
Yes but seriously do you not think that when you are looking over a potential precipice, and Villa certainly are if you look at the coming fixtures, sometimes, sometimes, you have to force change, and sometimes its the fans responsibility to make that happen, how many times do you see that happen, Blackburn are a classic example of management ineptitude and the do nothing scenario.
Have to say I don't agree with the points threshold either, as we get to the end game a lot of the teams below us will be fighting very aggressively to stay up, Wolves did today, as it happens the very thing you are suggesting maybe the very thing that keeps Villa up, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, exception being Wolves are all such teams keeping the faith and doing nothing and staying with the manager, all could be relegated.
it was poor, but i wasnt chanting either! it doesnt help at all. i dont think the team is in great shape, alot of his decisions perplex me. i dont think he is the manager to take us on. i also dont think sacking him will be the right thing today either.
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Or you could look at QPR who did change their manager and still look as bad, if not worse, than they did under Warnock.
Yes but it is one of those end game situations, would you bet against Hughes keeping QPR up, I wouldn't, not just yet, however I would bet against Steve Kean keeping Blackburn up and without doubt in my opinion Wigan will go down this year, and Bolton are well adrift under Coyle,
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All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.
Jimmy please dont speak for everybody if you are not in full possession of the facts. Were you at the game, cos if you were you would know that it was not the entire away end chanting abusive songs at the manager. Both me and my son did not join in nor did plenty of people around me. It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this. I am not happy at all with our current performances but Randy just aint gonna sack this guy at least not until the summer and even then absolutely and only as a last resort. You see you have to have a solution before chopping Mcleish. We have just handed the baton of the most inept executive team in the Premier league to Morgan and Moxey down at Wolves. we don't want it back just yet thanks. Chill out we are closer to eigth place points wise that the relegation zone and your onlt going to need around 34-35 points max to stay up.
Yes but seriously do you not think that when you are looking over a potential precipice, and Villa certainly are if you look at the coming fixtures, sometimes, sometimes, you have to force change, and sometimes its the fans responsibility to make that happen, how many times do you see that happen, Blackburn are a classic example of management ineptitude and the do nothing scenario.
Have to say I don't agree with the points threshold either, as we get to the end game a lot of the teams below us will be fighting very aggressively to stay up, Wolves did today, as it happens the very thing you are suggesting maybe the very thing that keeps Villa up, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, exception being Wolves are all such teams keeping the faith and doing nothing and staying with the manager, all could be relegated.
it was poor, but i wasnt chanting either! it doesnt help at all. i dont think the team is in great shape, alot of his decisions perplex me. i dont think he is the manager to take us on. i also dont think sacking him will be the right thing today either.
Fair enough, I voted yes to get rid in the other thread, for me the problem is if we don't act now after Blackburn, Fulham Arsenal and Chelsea, that's it, its to late the damage is done, that's why I'm saying now, its now or strap yourselves in for a bumpy ride.
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Amongst many things, wish I could get my head around the roll-a-six-to-start midfield selections. Another quite random selection today. Is it decided by raffle?
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All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.
Jimmy please dont speak for everybody if you are not in full possession of the facts. Were you at the game, cos if you were you would know that it was not the entire away end chanting abusive songs at the manager. Both me and my son did not join in nor did plenty of people around me. It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this. I am not happy at all with our current performances but Randy just aint gonna sack this guy at least not until the summer and even then absolutely and only as a last resort. You see you have to have a solution before chopping Mcleish. We have just handed the baton of the most inept executive team in the Premier league to Morgan and Moxey down at Wolves. we don't want it back just yet thanks. Chill out we are closer to eigth place points wise that the relegation zone and your onlt going to need around 34-35 points max to stay up.
Yes I was at the game, and yes it sounded like the entire away end was singing "Sack McLeish" at one stage. If you and your son are going to Blackburn and they start singing it again, please hold up a big pink umbrella so I can look over and register that you are both not singing. That will prevent me from posting any more inaccurate comments.
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So to get back to Brum from Wigan you ended up via London? Women drivers! ;)
Trains fault. No, dcf had to get back to London to work and we thought it would be better if I went that way with him then get the train to international from Euston. Due to delays it wasn't such a good idea.
Not a good day all round.
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I suggest you study the history of teams in the bottom three with 12 games to play and see how many points on average they manage to accumulate over those last 12 games, the answer is not enough to take any of them past 35 points.
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All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.
Jimmy please dont speak for everybody if you are not in full possession of the facts. Were you at the game, cos if you were you would know that it was not the entire away end chanting abusive songs at the manager. Both me and my son did not join in nor did plenty of people around me. It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this. I am not happy at all with our current performances but Randy just aint gonna sack this guy at least not until the summer and even then absolutely and only as a last resort. You see you have to have a solution before chopping Mcleish. We have just handed the baton of the most inept executive team in the Premier league to Morgan and Moxey down at Wolves. we don't want it back just yet thanks. Chill out we are closer to eigth place points wise that the relegation zone and your onlt going to need around 34-35 points max to stay up.
Yes I was at the game, and yes it sounded like the entire away end was singing "Sack McLeish" at one stage. If you and your son are going to Blackburn and they start singing it again, please hold up a big pink umbrella so I can look over and register that you are both not singing. That will prevent me from posting any more inaccurate comments.
If he hold up a Pink umbrella in Blackburn, it won't matter anyway..... ;D
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Amongst many things, wish I could get my head around the roll-a-six-to-start midfield selections. Another quite random selection today. Is it decided by raffle?
we missed petrov big time, there are many who have said chuck gardner in, well he did and he looked like he did, a kid with great potential but slightly out of his depth today. with clark injured and herd not fit we were a bit short. like i say, his decisions to not play ireland and zog are puzzling and these decisions will be his downfall. we must stick with the team though
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I suggest you study the history of teams in the bottom three with 12 games to play and see how many points on average they manage to accumulate over those last 12 games, the answer is not enough to take any of them past 35 points.
Quite. Its all shite at the minute but tired off the mass panic on here.
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The board are responsible for McLeish's contract. They agreed it. If you employ a chimney sweep to remove your appendix don't be surprised if you come out of hospital with a brush sticking out of your arse.
Brian that is truly brilliant
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Just got home. Dire.
Only saving grace is we didn't concede as I thought it was good odds that Wigan would nick one.
Oh, and McCleish has now got most of the away support calling for his head. Doesn't bode well for the remainder of the season.
A bloke on the coach this morning said if he loses the away support he's fucked. I think its happened
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I suggest you study the history of teams in the bottom three with 12 games to play and see how many points on average they manage to accumulate over those last 12 games, the answer is not enough to take any of them past 35 points.
Quite. Its all shite at the minute but tired off the mass panic on here.
what exactly do you mean ?
Mass panic about the possibility of relegation, or mass panic about the total ineptitude of our manager and piss poor quality of our football ?
If you think people are only worried about relegation, then you cannot be more wrong.
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I think I've gone from frustration to anger to despair, at one point I was sat there with my head in my hands, I just don't know what the answer is, he won't leave, they won't sack him were stuck with him, I just hope the players want to stay up enough.
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Watching MOTD. You know things are bad when the Blackburn manager says how they are looking forward to playing the likes of 'Wolves, Wigan and Villa'.
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Not great was it. On the plus side we got our first clean sheet since boxing day with fat arse out the way. Hopefully that will give the defence a bit of confidence and we can build on it
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Very poor, fuck me we are boring. I just hope McLeish has the self awareness to fall on his sword as hes lost the players and never had the fans.
Go now, please
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Just an observation:
The players deserve some credit as they're following the manager's orders to the letter. It would be very easy for them to want to attack (especially against a side like wigan) yet they showed great discipline, especially at the end when arguably the game was there to be won.
I appreciate that's a bit or a weird compliment, but I have often blamed them for unprofessionalism whereas they're doing as they're instructed.
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not....
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Its hard enough to like Football in this day and age. But to try and like Football and Aston Villa right now is very difficult. What has happened to us? We have gone back 5 years in just 2 years! I can't take anymore. Mcleish, Faulkner and Randy must go. I've never felt such hate toward a manager or owner. I'm very very sad right now
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Mass panic in terms of "we need 6points from the next two games otherwise we're fucked so sack him now"
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Mass panic in terms of "we need 6points from the next two games otherwise we're fucked so sack him now"
As has been mentioned already, it's not so much mass panic - it's more abject despair at the quality of football being dished up by McLeish with no prospect of it getting better. We're on a downward spiral. We might scrape by this season - but if he's still here I think we'll go down next season. He came with a record of poor football and relegation - he's living down to that reputation. That's why people including me want him gone
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I will read the thread in a minute .
Wigan were awful , they are going down and never coming back . We have better players on paper , yet they were better than us , we are worse than an awful team who are going down .
yes it was AMC's perfect result 0 fooking 0 . Who the fook gave him a return ticket to USA anyway .
Please get that ******* out of my club NOW!!!!!!
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There's no excuse for that and deserves all the abuse he gets when he's ruining our
club with horrible negative decisions.
No, he doesn't. He deserves criticism. He doesn't deserve abuse. You don't seem to
understand the difference.
Fans are entitled to vent their anger. You don't seem to understand freedom of
speech.
Congratulations, you've just proved my point.
Sorry, I'm gonna take what Ian Taylor says more seriously than you.
I very much doubt that Ian Taylor would think the same about the crap that you come out with.
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That today has done it for me. I have tried to support him and wanted him to do well for the Villa but after leaving Ireland and N'Zog on the bench against Wigan and then bringing that useless lump Heskey on i'm sorry that is just unbelievable.
I fear we are going down.
un fooking believable and to think he was in the paper this week telling N'zog to raise his game and then leaves him on the bench against his former club.
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Well just got back home. Dire and appalling would probably suffice but I can think of a whole heap more adjectives that would explain that performance. As for our clueless Manager, set the team up wrong and didn't know how to change it.
The only positive, and I mean the only one, was we kept a clean sheet for the first time since god knows when and that was more down to Wigan being even more shite than us.
I must admit in my 20 years following the club thats the first time I've witnessed the fans turn on the Manager.
Finally,must say a big thanks for Dave W getting me a ticket when I turned up at the away end 5 minutes before kick off!!!
See you all at Blackburn then.......
the only reason we got a clean sheet is the Wigan players must have missed kicked 10 chances
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Poor today. Really, really poor.
I feel sorry for Mcleish, but that, again, was just not good enough. If he was Spurs manager, he would've gone by christmas. If he was managing Everton, gone. Newcastle, maybe gone too.
why do people feel sorry for him , theres no excuse bringing Heskey with Nzog and Ireland on the bench .
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I Didn't watch it but had a bad feeling about today, well done to the fans who made the trip and please Randy do the decent thing and listen to the fans as they will be around for the long term.
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Poor today. Really, really poor.
I feel sorry for Mcleish, but that, again, was just not good enough. If he was Spurs manager, he would've gone by christmas. If he was managing Everton, gone. Newcastle, maybe gone too.
why do people feel sorry for him , theres no excuse bringing Heskey with Nzog and Ireland on the bench .
Well, 'cause he's out of his depth, and there's a tragedy about watching that happen. It's not his fault he's not good enough - I mean it's not like he's trying to be this bad.
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Poor today. Really, really poor.
I feel sorry for Mcleish, but that, again, was just not good enough. If he was Spurs manager, he would've gone by christmas. If he was managing Everton, gone. Newcastle, maybe gone too.
why do people feel sorry for him , theres no excuse bringing Heskey with Nzog and Ireland on the bench .
Well, 'cause he's out of his depth, and there's a tragedy about watching that happen. It's not his fault he's not good enough - I mean it's not like he's trying to be this bad.
Yet he is paid a crazy amount of money that has him wearing a Villa tie, picking Gabby as captain, saying how brilliant we are at every chance. He is a football manager whore- he knows he does not have the ability but he keeps on keeping on as he banks that million plus contract. We should not feel anything for him. He will fail at our club and be richer for it.
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for statistical purposes, is there anywhere that I can compare this seasons stats, league info, compared to last?
I am deeply concerned with what appears to be happening at our club
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Fill your boots: http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2011-2012/table
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2010-2011/table/2011-02-06
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Greetings comrades,
Not happy at all. The sad thing is we've got at least another 12 months of McLeish to endure. :(
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Greetings comrades,
Not happy at all. The sad thing is we've got at least another 12 months of McLeish to endure. :(
WE'RE NOT EVEN HALFWAY DONE.
There is not a shot in hell McLeish gets sacked. He will see out his entire contract.
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So, I've slept on it.
I still want him out. I want him out yesterday.
Maybe when we get a max of 2 points from the next three games, he'll be booted.
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So, I've slept on it.
I still want him out. I want him out yesterday.
Maybe when we get a max of 2 points from the next three games, he'll be booted.
Play like yesterday we'll be lucky to get any
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Not great was it. On the plus side we got our first clean sheet since boxing day with fat arse out the way. Hopefully that will give the defence a bit of confidence and we can build on it
Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...
And......
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So, I've slept on it.
I still want him out. I want him out yesterday.
Maybe when we get a max of 2 points from the next three games, he'll be booted.
Play like yesterday we'll be lucky to get any
Blackburn have been decent at home lately and Fulham are better managed than we are. We all though we needed 6 from the 4 games, I think we will struggle to get 5 from the next 3 now.
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You are a slimey news reporter!
COME ON YOU LIONS! ;D
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You are a slimey news reporter!
If you say so.
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Apart from the football, Wigan should be kicked out for the state of the pitch. We just lost our £20million striker because they let the rugga buggers use their ground.
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One thing struck me yesterday as significant. I can't remember the last time our fans were so quiet away from home, the usual jovial atmosphere was'nt there. It's not a criticism, it's more an indication of how things bad are on the pitch and yesterday was a poor as it has been.
I really don't want to think about what could happen if we keep playing like that, but all i know is that something needs to change.
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Not great was it. On the plus side we got our first clean sheet since boxing day with fat arse out the way. Hopefully that will give the defence a bit of confidence and we can build on it
Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...
And......
Cheerful bastard.....!
I do feel sorry for McLeish. I just want the club to do wel and whilst he is here that means big Eck doing well too. I hate to see us turning on any of our own, be it players or coaching staff. I will never boo Heskey because though he may not be world class he is a trier, and i dont think he ever shirks his duties in a Vila shirt. He aint good enough to be a first choice forward but that is not his fault.
I do think McLeish is a thoroughly decent man who appreciates the size and history of Aston Villa, and, like Emile, is doing his best for Villa. Unfortunately, like Emile, i simply fear he is not good enough. Most of us, if offered the best job we could realistically hope to get, at a fantastically high salary, would say yes, and he is no different. I don't blame him for coming, and i realy dislike the abuse he isreceiving.
I hope he can turn things around, but there is a massive negativity about us at the moment and this is the worst I have felt for a long time about our prospects. As Graham Taylor said, when a club is sliding it is very hard to halt the decline. It is not as bad as the mid 80s, but it could get that bad if we don't perk up quickly.
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Pat, it was more along the lines of: if Gnashers is being optimistic, something is terribly wrong.
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How are we expected to compete with a midfield of Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner? They were f#ckin dreadful. I cannot believe our piss poor excuse of a manager picks them over Ireland and N'Zogbia.
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I think including Ireland or N'Zogbia would have been just a different kind of lightweight midfield.
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Pat, it was more along the lines of: if Gnashers is being optimistic, something is terribly wrong.
Shit, the penny hadn't dropped.
That's me off to get a nose job in the morning then I'm applying for permanent Chinese residency
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I've said it before, he may not mean to be negative, but he's so genuinely bad that he doesn't know what to do with talented young attacking players like Albrighton, Gardner or Bannan. You can't just throw them out there in a fairly rigid 4-4-2 with no support coming from in front or behind them.
I'd be very surprised if it turned out that there was any sort of level of meticulousness in training like people like Brendan Rodgers were talking about, or like his players were saying is being implemented. The same could be said of MON, but at least MON has that indefinable something which, according to Robbie Savage, makes players feel "100-feet tall".
McLeish doesn't have tactical or technical nous, nor is he an inspiring leader. He just plods along blandly and aimlessly, doing things which sometimes sound good but which are done on total hear-say, with no actual analysis coming from the man himself. The day I lost all hope for him was when he said, after QPR I think: "we're conceding goals, and I know why - we're not defending well enough." It was about as insightful as having Alan Shearer or Mark Lawrenson in charge.
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It was bad in the mid 80s , I remember it well . But I'm more unhappy now , at least the players were bloody awful then , I expected the rubbish and I could easily afford to go to the game even as a 20 year old so always still had a right laugh . Now we have some decent players on paper and it costs me a bloody fortune to get down there but what I'm witnessing is just depressing me , wealthy players getting picked by a wealthy manager who has not got a clue , sprouting rubbish in his post match interviews. Bloody torture.
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It just all seems so aimless to me. I understand that we may be enduring a transitional season, a time for the manager to work out who he wants to keep, to let go, to establish a way of playing for the squad to move forward....but I don't see any sign of that stuff happening. Surely 25 games is plenty of time to have established at least some sort of direction?
It just seems, well, messy and rudderless. Why buy a winger (and a decent one, too) and then completely fail to incorporate him effectively in to the team or, worse, not play him at all? Why tell us that he won't stand for poor performance, and then continue to stick with the same defenders week in, week out? Why refuse to pick Cuellar at those times, and then tell us that you want him (belatedly) to sign a new contract on account of his ability and professionalism? Why 'challenge' players to up their game (Ireland, N'Zogbia) and then drop them from the team? Why continue to play one of the leagues most prolific strikers in such an isolated position, so that he has to tell us that he is working hard 'for the team'? Bent has never worked hard for the team, he just scores shitloads of goals, given the chance. Why the seemingly random midfield selections? Why keep fiddling with the formation, especially when a fairly effective one was stumbled upon early on in the season? Why the determination to play Heskey everywhere except up front (where, I believe, he can be an asset, especially next to a poacher like Bent)?
I don't wish to over-praise Houllier, and I'm not his biggest fan, but for all his faults he had begun to establish a clear way forward for us by this time. Even when results went against us, I could see that the team were changing what they were doing, developing a way of playing. The defense was shite (mostly), but from what I can tell, he had already decided to change them during the summer transfer window which, regrettably, he didn't get.
Now, none of that might have worked in the end, I don't know, but at least it looked like a work in progress. Currently, I don't think we look like that at all. In fact, McLeish has increasingly fallen back to tactics and team selection that he appears to feel comfortable with but which demonstrably haven't worked. That is not a good sign.
I really hoped that he might develop his managerial skills with us, prove to people that he was able to adapt to different situations, but he is showing no signs of that at all - quite the opposite in my opinion. And it's a bit trite, but those who keep on doing the same thing tend to get what they've always got.
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0-0.Keep Right On!
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Poor today. Really, really poor.
I feel sorry for Mcleish, but that, again, was just not good enough. If he was Spurs manager, he would've gone by christmas. If he was managing Everton, gone. Newcastle, maybe gone too.
why do people feel sorry for him , theres no excuse bringing Heskey with Nzog and Ireland on the bench .
Well, 'cause he's out of his depth, and there's a tragedy about watching that happen. It's not his fault he's not good enough - I mean it's not like he's trying to be this bad.
Maybe he is?
Think about it, if he walks he won't get his contract paid out.
But if he's sacked, he most probably will.
This gig is probably getting to him now. The fans never took to him (though most tried to give him a chance). I can't imagine the players were doing cartwheels on an appointment that ambitious either. But some of them on the fringes (or those annoyed with GH) might have viewed it as a new opportunity. Until the general ineptitude of the bloke really hit home.
Maybe even he is aware of his own ineptitude now, and wants the hammer to come down as quick as possible. Ergo weird team selections and trying to build a team around Ivanhoe.
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If he keeps his current win ratio we will get another 9 points or thereabouts. Will 38 points be enough?
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If he keeps his current win ratio we will get another 9 points or thereabouts. Will 38 points be enough?
I just looked at the other 4 teams run in and QPR looks the worst with Bolton/Blackburn favourable to ours. Our 2 home games of Bolton/Fulham look absolute must wins.
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I know my son and I were spoilt last sunday with the Barcelona match we were very fortunate to witness but my son asked if we could leave at half time yesterday because he was so bored and he completely forgot we had been to the game when he woke up this morning.
Sums it up perfectly, abysmal. First and last match i'll be bothering with for a long time.
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I'd had my fill but did I hear a chant of We Want O'Neill back' as well?
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From a Wigan fan
Wigan fan: This is the truth as I see it,(no wind up).. Today Aston Villa were the worst team to pitch up at the DW Stadium by a country mile. I mean we are crap,but I was staggered today by Villa`s negativity,it was if they had turned up to play Man Yoo or Citeh.Talk about `parking the bus`,they made us look decent,and believe me that takes some doing. I felt sorry for the 4000 travelling fans who payed good money to watch that shit,I agree with them,McLeish needs to go.
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Spot on, everyone fucking sees it except our owner.
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I'd not seen this before, I've always wanted him out but kind of admire at least his understanding of what Villa are all about but does he really think that we shouldn't expect to take the game to the bottom team and 'tactically excellent'.. for real? giving up the lions share of possession and clinging on against fucking Wigan?
Villa's fans reacted to the draw by booing McLeish but he remained defiant and said: 'The fans have been great. They're expecting Aston Villa to come to Wigan and win and I understand that.
'I played four forwards and I played two young kids in the midfield. We made some chances and had we taken them then everybody would be clapping. We stuck to our task and, tactically, I thought they were excellent.'
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Not great was it. On the plus side we got our first clean sheet since boxing day with fat arse out the way. Hopefully that will give the defence a bit of confidence and we can build on it
Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...
And......
Cheerful bastard.....!
I do feel sorry for McLeish. I just want the club to do wel and whilst he is here that means big Eck doing well too. I hate to see us turning on any of our own, be it players or coaching staff. I will never boo Heskey because though he may not be world class he is a trier, and i dont think he ever shirks his duties in a Vila shirt. He aint good enough to be a first choice forward but that is not his fault.
I do think McLeish is a thoroughly decent man who appreciates the size and history of Aston Villa, and, like Emile, is doing his best for Villa. Unfortunately, like Emile, i simply fear he is not good enough. Most of us, if offered the best job we could realistically hope to get, at a fantastically high salary, would say yes, and he is no different. I don't blame him for coming, and i realy dislike the abuse he is receiving.
I hope he can turn things around, but there is a massive negativity about us at the moment and this is the worst I have felt for a long time about our prospects. As Graham Taylor said, when a club is sliding it is very hard to halt the decline. It is not as bad as the mid 80s, but it could get that bad if we don't perk up quickly.
It's also worth mentioning that all the anti-McLeish stuff gives some players and excuse to not give their best. I do wonder whether the likes of N'Zogbia and Ireland were left on the bench because they can't be arsed to put a shift in and are more than happy just to pick up their wages.
Saying that, football is a simple game and the first objective has to be to win the midfield battle. On that score, we never turned up.
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I'd not seen this before, I've always wanted him out but kind of admire at least his understanding of what Villa are all about but does he really think that we shouldn't expect to take the game to the bottom team and 'tactically excellent'.. for real? giving up the lions share of possession and clinging on against fucking Wigan?
Villa's fans reacted to the draw by booing McLeish but he remained defiant and said: 'The fans have been great. They're expecting Aston Villa to come to Wigan and win and I understand that.
'I played four forwards and I played two young kids in the midfield. We made some chances and had we taken them then everybody would be clapping. We stuck to our task and, tactically, I thought they were excellent.'
I can't believe he's said it again the same weekend that I've been slating that very line.
It's this complete lack of understanding that 4 forwards on the pitch doesn't mean attacking football that makes me so against the guy. It's not the first time that he's used this line to defend his tactics when he gets called defensive.
The guy hasn't got a clue, I don't care about the replacement at the minute, I just think every training session him and Grant have a part in is doing more damage to our team, the sooner he's out the door the better, even if it takes months to replace him it's not going to be of any further detriment than what's happening now.
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I suggest you study the history of teams in the bottom three with 12 games to play and see how many points on average they manage to accumulate over those last 12 games, the answer is not enough to take any of them past 35 points.
Quite. Its all shite at the minute but tired off the mass panic on here.
I take your points but consider this. With 12 games to go last year both Wolves and Wigan were in the bottom three and both took a further 16 points to stay up. The same for any of the current bottom three would take them all above 35 points. admittedly to only 36 or 37. In contrast a certain other team had 30 points with 12 games left and only managed a further 9 to slip into one of the relegation spots. Their ex "manager" currently has 29 points with his new team. A similar performance over the last 12 games ( and let's face it, our run in isn't that easy, and our form is shocking) would see them finish on 38 points. It remains unlikely that all the stragglers will rally to the extent Wolves and Wigan did last season. But it may not be as much of a foregone conlusion as it looks.
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One thing struck me yesterday as significant. I can't remember the last time our fans were so quiet away from home, the usual jovial atmosphere was'nt there.
Interesting. I thought the noise was actually pretty good, even when it was (justifiably) negative later in the second half. Then again, it was only my third game of the season.