Wigan Athletic v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Jimmy Smash]

Gabby is not a winger. He's a goal scorer. I'm not worried about Bent's because he's completely ineffective under McLeish's cowardly system. Gabby can run at defenders and can create chances for himself. I think well do better with him as a forward, especially now Keane has gone and Ireland can get back to his preferred position. Keane's worked really hard for us but he's keeping Ireland out, and I think Ireland is the better in that position. We were showing signs of recovery until Keane came, and I don't think it's any coincidence that we've turned to shite since his arrival.

[KevinGage]

All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.

 It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this.

That he's a plank and it's obvious to (almost) everyone?

I'm sure they were heartened by the cheers they got at the end. Cheers for them, boos for him. Just in case they were in any doubt.

This is one of those rare situations where the blame for dire results can almost solely be blamed by the ineptness of the bloke in the dugout.

[villajk]

Just got back after a circuitous route via London.

Not a fun day out at all and endured stone cold sober.

Driving back from international I heard some of McLeish's post match comments.  He's on a different planet to me I'm afraid.

[PeterWithesShin]

So to get back to Brum from Wigan you ended up via London? Women drivers! 

[Villanation]

All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.

Jimmy please dont speak for everybody if you are not in full possession of the facts.  Were you at the game, cos if you were you would know that it was not the entire away end chanting abusive songs at the manager.  Both me and my son did not join in nor did plenty of people around me.  It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this.  I am not happy at all with our current performances but Randy just aint gonna sack this guy at least not until the summer and even then absolutely and only as a last resort.  You see you have to have a solution before chopping Mcleish.  We have just handed the baton of the most inept executive team in the Premier league to Morgan and Moxey down at Wolves. we don't want it back just yet thanks.  Chill out we are closer to eigth place points wise that the relegation zone and your onlt going to need around 34-35 points max to stay up.

Yes but seriously do you not think that when you are looking over a potential precipice, and Villa certainly are if you look at the coming fixtures, sometimes, sometimes, you have to force change, and sometimes its the fans responsibility to make that happen, how many times do you see that happen, Blackburn are a classic example of management ineptitude and the do nothing scenario.

Have to say I don't agree with the points threshold either, as we get to the end game a lot of the teams below us will be fighting very aggressively to stay up, Wolves did today, as it happens the very thing you are suggesting maybe the very thing that keeps Villa up, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, exception being Wolves are all such teams keeping the faith and doing nothing and staying with the manager, all could be relegated. 

[PeterWithesShin]

Or you could look at QPR who did change their manager and still look as bad, if not worse, than they did under Warnock.

[rutski]

All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.

Jimmy please dont speak for everybody if you are not in full possession of the facts.  Were you at the game, cos if you were you would know that it was not the entire away end chanting abusive songs at the manager.  Both me and my son did not join in nor did plenty of people around me.  It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this.  I am not happy at all with our current performances but Randy just aint gonna sack this guy at least not until the summer and even then absolutely and only as a last resort.  You see you have to have a solution before chopping Mcleish.  We have just handed the baton of the most inept executive team in the Premier league to Morgan and Moxey down at Wolves. we don't want it back just yet thanks.  Chill out we are closer to eigth place points wise that the relegation zone and your onlt going to need around 34-35 points max to stay up.

Yes but seriously do you not think that when you are looking over a potential precipice, and Villa certainly are if you look at the coming fixtures, sometimes, sometimes, you have to force change, and sometimes its the fans responsibility to make that happen, how many times do you see that happen, Blackburn are a classic example of management ineptitude and the do nothing scenario.

Have to say I don't agree with the points threshold either, as we get to the end game a lot of the teams below us will be fighting very aggressively to stay up, Wolves did today, as it happens the very thing you are suggesting maybe the very thing that keeps Villa up, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, exception being Wolves are all such teams keeping the faith and doing nothing and staying with the manager, all could be relegated. 

it was poor, but i wasnt chanting either! it doesnt help at all. i dont think the team is in great shape, alot of his decisions perplex me. i dont think he is the manager to take us on. i also dont think sacking him will be the right thing today either. 

[Villanation]

Or you could look at QPR who did change their manager and still look as bad, if not worse, than they did under Warnock.

Yes but it is one of those end game situations, would you bet against Hughes keeping QPR up, I wouldn't, not just yet, however I would bet against Steve Kean keeping Blackburn up and without doubt in my opinion Wigan will go down this year, and Bolton are well adrift under Coyle,

[Villanation]

All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.

Jimmy please dont speak for everybody if you are not in full possession of the facts.  Were you at the game, cos if you were you would know that it was not the entire away end chanting abusive songs at the manager.  Both me and my son did not join in nor did plenty of people around me.  It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this.  I am not happy at all with our current performances but Randy just aint gonna sack this guy at least not until the summer and even then absolutely and only as a last resort.  You see you have to have a solution before chopping Mcleish.  We have just handed the baton of the most inept executive team in the Premier league to Morgan and Moxey down at Wolves. we don't want it back just yet thanks.  Chill out we are closer to eigth place points wise that the relegation zone and your onlt going to need around 34-35 points max to stay up.

Yes but seriously do you not think that when you are looking over a potential precipice, and Villa certainly are if you look at the coming fixtures, sometimes, sometimes, you have to force change, and sometimes its the fans responsibility to make that happen, how many times do you see that happen, Blackburn are a classic example of management ineptitude and the do nothing scenario.

Have to say I don't agree with the points threshold either, as we get to the end game a lot of the teams below us will be fighting very aggressively to stay up, Wolves did today, as it happens the very thing you are suggesting maybe the very thing that keeps Villa up, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, exception being Wolves are all such teams keeping the faith and doing nothing and staying with the manager, all could be relegated. 

it was poor, but i wasnt chanting either! it doesnt help at all. i dont think the team is in great shape, alot of his decisions perplex me. i dont think he is the manager to take us on. i also dont think sacking him will be the right thing today either.

Fair enough, I voted yes to get rid in the other thread, for me the problem is if we don't act now after Blackburn, Fulham Arsenal and Chelsea, that's it, its to late the damage is done, that's why I'm saying now, its now or strap yourselves in for a bumpy ride.

[Matt C]

Amongst many things, wish I could get my head around the roll-a-six-to-start midfield selections. Another quite random selection today. Is it decided by raffle?

[Jimmy Smash]

All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.

Jimmy please dont speak for everybody if you are not in full possession of the facts.  Were you at the game, cos if you were you would know that it was not the entire away end chanting abusive songs at the manager.  Both me and my son did not join in nor did plenty of people around me.  It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this.  I am not happy at all with our current performances but Randy just aint gonna sack this guy at least not until the summer and even then absolutely and only as a last resort.  You see you have to have a solution before chopping Mcleish.  We have just handed the baton of the most inept executive team in the Premier league to Morgan and Moxey down at Wolves. we don't want it back just yet thanks.  Chill out we are closer to eigth place points wise that the relegation zone and your onlt going to need around 34-35 points max to stay up.

Yes I was at the game, and yes it sounded like the entire away end was singing "Sack McLeish" at one stage. If you and your son are going to Blackburn and they start singing it again, please hold up a big pink umbrella so I can look over and register that you are both not singing. That will prevent me from posting any more inaccurate comments.

[villajk]

So to get back to Brum from Wigan you ended up via London? Women drivers! 

Trains fault.  No, dcf had to get back to London to work and we thought it would be better if I went that way with him then get the train to international from Euston.  Due to delays it wasn't such a good idea.

Not a good day all round.

[mr-villa]

I suggest you study the history of teams in the bottom three with 12 games to play and see how many points on average they manage to accumulate over those last 12 games, the answer is not enough to take any of them past 35 points.

[Villanation]

All said chanting true. Entire away end at one stage.

Jimmy please dont speak for everybody if you are not in full possession of the facts.  Were you at the game, cos if you were you would know that it was not the entire away end chanting abusive songs at the manager.  Both me and my son did not join in nor did plenty of people around me.  It just isn't productive at all, what must the team think when they hear this.  I am not happy at all with our current performances but Randy just aint gonna sack this guy at least not until the summer and even then absolutely and only as a last resort.  You see you have to have a solution before chopping Mcleish.  We have just handed the baton of the most inept executive team in the Premier league to Morgan and Moxey down at Wolves. we don't want it back just yet thanks.  Chill out we are closer to eigth place points wise that the relegation zone and your onlt going to need around 34-35 points max to stay up.

Yes I was at the game, and yes it sounded like the entire away end was singing "Sack McLeish" at one stage. If you and your son are going to Blackburn and they start singing it again, please hold up a big pink umbrella so I can look over and register that you are both not singing. That will prevent me from posting any more inaccurate comments.

If he hold up a Pink umbrella in Blackburn, it won't matter anyway.....

[rutski]

Amongst many things, wish I could get my head around the roll-a-six-to-start midfield selections. Another quite random selection today. Is it decided by raffle?

we missed petrov big time, there are many who have said chuck gardner in, well he did and he looked like he did, a kid with great potential but slightly out of his depth today. with clark injured and herd not fit we were a bit short. like i say, his decisions to not play ireland and zog are puzzling and these decisions will be his downfall. we must stick with the team though