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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: not3bad on December 31, 2011, 06:24:05 PM
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What do you think?
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If the team keep playing the way they have in the last three games, why not?
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People need to get behind him. We all want Villa to win and he's been very dignified since he arrived. The problem was the style of football, and whether it is through his own efforts or the influence of the fans or a combination, that has improved markedly recently. No matter. We all love the club and he wants to do well as manager. That should be reason enough to support his efforts.
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got to say NO to that we had a good result today and everyone from whats been said on post match thread thinks were the best thing since slice bread we have big problems and this result will paper over the cracks lets just see what happens knowing the way we are this season we will be garbage on monday and everyone will be moaning again must admit the beer will taste a lot sweeter tonight happy new year folks !!!!! VTID
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If he sets the team out with a view to winning like he has the last three games. I will consider it !!!
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I suppose the question is whether he has stumbled across a winning formula, or whether he has been working his way toward this sort of game-plan / set-up.
Let's see what happens against Swansea and Bristol Rovers.
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Keep going like today's result and the Arsenal performance until the end of the season and he'll be winning the majority over, I'd have thought.
I think there will always be a minority who won't ever accept McLeish because of where he managed previously but to be fair, up until mid-December there were other more relevant reasons I was unaccepting of him.
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I really hope so.
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I find it strange how so many of our fans seemingly despise someone who has acted as a gentleman and with great dignity throughout this, and even when he was with that shower of shite.
By all means question his abilities, but the personal abuse was disgraceful in my opinion.
If he gets the team playing like they did today over an extended period then there should be no question of the fans' support.
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I'm hoping this is the start of a resurgance. I'd love to see/hear a vocal backing on Monday. "Alex Mcleish's Claret and Blue Army". Why not? He's OUR manager.
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Its taken longer than any of us would have liked, but may be its taken him this long to assess what the players can do and are capable of, and also implementing his own method in training and on the pitch. There have been a few occasions this season when its been said that the players arent doing on the pitch what they have been doing in training, so may both management and players should take joint responsibility.
Its easy to get carried away after a good win and a few improved performances, so lets see if they can maintain this form and get some momemtum going into January and February. Very chuffed tonight but still sceptical.
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got to say NO to that we had a good result today and everyone from whats been said on post match thread thinks were the best thing since slice bread we have big problems and this result will paper over the cracks lets just see what happens knowing the way we are this season we will be garbage on monday and everyone will be moaning again must admit the beer will taste a lot sweeter tonight happy new year folks !!!!! VTID
Big problems? Where?
Why are some people so against the idea of giving him (and the team) some credit and being anything other than pessimistic all of the time?
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Fickle uh yes.;-)
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AML has changed his attitude and vision of football.
Today the team selection, with Super Mark, Zog and Cjaran in the starting XI, was for 10/11 fine, included Cuellar for Hutton as RB.
After the first 20 minutes of the second half, when we were crushed in our box he played a second striker instead of the 5th defender (as many feared, I suppose) and a creative midfielder like Barry Bannan.
It's the third game in a row that the team try and play a passing football instead of the long balls of the beginning.
AML is changed, and if he keeps to make the team to play a positive, entertaining, passing football, we must change our attitude and support him without reserve, imo.
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One BBQ doesn't make a summer and as much as I say back him it'll only take a defeat against Swansea for him to be the devil incarnate.
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hopefully alex will have realised afetr the arsenal game that desire and effort is the bare minimum requirement and we will support him if those two facets are attained.
not alex claret and blue army yet, but hopefully they can feel how much we want them to succeed!
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I find it strange how so many of our fans seemingly despise someone who has acted as a gentleman and with great dignity throughout this, and even when he was with that shower of shite.
By all means question his abilities, but the personal abuse was disgraceful in my opinion.
If he gets the team playing like they did today over an extended period then there should be no question of the fans' support.
Despise - I don't know anyone who despises him. Frustrated by his appointment - oh yes and the manner. Reserve that for Faulkner. I hardly think his exit from the Sty was dignified, quite the opposite. Was Little's Exit from Leicester or BFR from Sheff Wed dignified? Ask their fans. Difference was the Foxes and Owls fans wanted them to stay. That lot in Small Heath were relieved to see him go.
Prior to this summer I'd argue that dignified was a fair adjective, thereafter no.
Let's say we could sing Big Ginger Bloke from Glasgow's Claret and Blue Army if we continue in the current vein.
Happy New Year to you and all fellow Villains.
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As soon as he wins the FA cup.
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I'd still sooner him leave, as I don't rate him. But the mood seems to be picking up and fingers crossed it continues.
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Have to say I agree with others who have said how dignified he ha been over the last couple of months. Hated the way he got the team playing in certain games, especially Spuds and Liverpool, lets hope he never goes out with that attitude again. If so, I am prepared to back him
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Jaybus folks, Mcleish is here and there are signs that things are looking up. After a bumpy start it looks like we have turned a corner following the last few displays. I'm not saying that he is a saviour or the next Fergie but it must be better for us all if we get behind the team (including the manager) during the games.
How he came here is history and the only important thing is that for now he is our manager so we may as well get used to it.
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I find it strange how so many of our fans seemingly despise someone who has acted as a gentleman and with great dignity throughout this, and even when he was with that shower of shite.
By all means question his abilities, but the personal abuse was disgraceful in my opinion.
If he gets the team playing like they did today over an extended period then there should be no question of the fans' support.
Despise - I don't know anyone who despises him. Frustrated by his appointment - oh yes and the manner. Reserve that for Faulkner. I hardly think his exit from the Sty was dignified, quite the opposite. Was Little's Exit from Leicester or BFR from Sheff Wed dignified? Ask their fans. Difference was the Foxes and Owls fans wanted them to stay. That lot in Small Heath were relieved to see him go.
Prior to this summer I'd argue that dignified was a fair adjective, thereafter no.
Let's say we could sing Big Ginger Bloke from Glasgow's Claret and Blue Army if we continue in the current vein.
Happy New Year to you and all fellow Villains.
there are plenty who despise him, and if we dont beat swansea alot of them will raise their heads above the parapet. i dont think 19 games should ever be a bench mark to how someone may do.
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Give him a bit longer. The team has had 3 good games and something has changed in terms of set-up and mentality. I don't care how we got here but where we are tonight is 20 times better than where we were a month ago. If we continue like this, progressive football, coherent formations, good mix of youth, then it will become his team and a potentially good one to watch at that. Then we will be his claret and blue army. I just want us to give it a go. If we lose trying then so be it but we are at least trying now. We weren't a month ago.
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No.
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Not quite yet. Today was superb but there has been more lows than highs under McLeish. The fact that we are even discussing shows that most want him to succeed - well it should be everybody. One good win doesn't make him a good manager so he'll need to follow up today with a good run. It could also be pointed out that we've got results since Hutton was out.
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As soon as he wins the FA cup.
tbh that would do it for me.
*pours another glass of sauvignon blanc*
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It was for me already, though I had wobbled after the poor performances against Spurs, United and Liverpool . Even more so now. He took on a tough job. We lost some good players over the summer and there was a lot of ill feeling towards him from the fans. It was never going to be easy for us, but we seem to have turned the corner under McLeish.
I hope now that the fans get solidly behind him.
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As I have said along, the man is quite clearly a managerial genius.........................
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I'm hoping this is the start of a resurgance. I'd love to see/hear a vocal backing on Monday. "Alex Mcleish's Claret and Blue Army". Why not? He's OUR manager.
Agree
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I'm hoping this is the start of a resurgance. I'd love to see/hear a vocal backing on Monday. "Alex Mcleish's Claret and Blue Army". Why not? He's OUR manager.
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Yes, that would be very appropriate.
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Even if we lose but the team actually tries for 90 minutes instead of giving up the ghost or looking like the scarecrow 11, that'll do for me. I think the thing that's impressed me most is his skills in diplomacy and media relations. He doesn't trash talk the players or do the muck raking publicly, when someone confronts him with a 'What are you doing about Bannan's drinking?' or 'Have you fallen out with Ireland' question he just says it's being handled internally, being polite, and speaking highly of the club.
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I want McCleish to succeed. Badly.
After the Liverpool game I thought there was no way that he could turn it around. The last 3 games has seen a big improvement and I just hope it carries on.
Beat Swansea. Please.
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Fucksake today's result means the ******'s going to be in charge for ever and ever and ever and ever and aaaarrrrrgggghhh!
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I would like nothing more than to to see him well supported and his name chanted because he's the Villa manager and if he does well, we do well, which is all I care about.
I actually think he's a top bloke but had my doubts about his abilities. I still have some of course but the last few performances have been very encouraging.
Long may it continue.
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He's a nice bloke (and I still think he's out of his depth) but if the tactics are like what they were today on a more consistent basis I'll have no complaints. And that's not just 'cos we won, we got the ball down and played it (despite the back fours attempts to concede possession at every opportunity!).
Be interesting to see what he does with Hutton and Heskey in the coming weeks.
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Fucksake today's result means the c***'s going to be in charge for ever and ever and ever and ever and aaaarrrrrgggghhh!
Proof that there is, indeed, always one.
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If he can either offload Hutton this month or, if not, then at least leave him on the bench (ANY fucking bench!) that will be much appreciated. I'll still think he's shit though. Today's result was most welcome but says more about Chelsea than us. Anyway, happy new year to y'all - yeah, even you Alex!
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Oh yeah and even you too Dave! :P
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Some people love talking about his two relegations. You could argue it was actually one and a half. How about his magnificent playing career and what he achieved with a limited Scotland team and Rangers when Celtic had more money to spend? As for the noses who slag him off, when will they next finish in the top ten of the PL and win a trophy? I think he's a good bloke, a proper football man and blatantly wants to be here and respects our club. Do I want him to suceed even more because of how much it would wind up the bluenoses? Yes. He currently has us in the same position we finished last year although the squad is weaker. We also have a decent looking run of games coming up. And that cup that some SKY/PL 'new fans' may not respect but we do.
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He'll go back to Hutton, definitely. He likes his attacking fullbacks.
I just hope he comes good. He has it in him to be decent, there's a reason Spurs paid £8m for him and Man Utd were after him!
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Fucksake today's result means the c***'s going to be in charge for ever and ever and ever and ever and aaaarrrrrgggghhh!
Proof that there is, indeed, always one.
Great contribution to the discussion that was Dave. Your first post on this thread and all you had to say was... absolutely nothing.
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He'll go back to Hutton, definitely. He likes his attacking fullbacks.
I just hope he comes good. He has it in him to be decent, there's a reason Spurs paid £8m for him and Man Utd were after him!
There's also a reason why Utd didn't buy him and Spurs got rid of him. And also why they only loaned us Kyle Walker and wouldn't sell him to us. Look how well he's doing now - but I guess we can take some sort of credit for that eh? Gives me this real warm fuzzy feeling inside whenever I watch him, I can tell ya (ok that's nothing to do with Alex, who no doubt Kyle would love to be playing for rather than that cockney fucker, the poor lad).
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Fucksake today's result means the c***'s going to be in charge for ever and ever and ever and ever and aaaarrrrrgggghhh!
Proof that there is, indeed, always one.
Great contribution to the discussion that was Dave. Your first post on this thread and all you had to say was... absolutely nothing.
What about a bit of credit when it's due instead. Our performances against Spurzzz, Manure and Liverpool were dire and rightly so the Manager gets stick, but give him credit for changing things and trying to play in a more positive way (and getting a couple of decent results).
I don't care where he came from, lets just give him time. FFS we have a decent squad of players, hopefully now they will realise they can be competitive.
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I don't care where he came from, lets just give him time. FFS we have a decent squad of players, hopefully now they will realise they can be competitive.
I honestly don't care where he came from either and I DO appreciate tFucksake today's result means the c***'s going to be in charge for ever and ever and ever and ever and aaaarrrrrgggghhh!
Proof that there is, indeed, always one.
Great contribution to the discussion that was Dave. Your first post on this thread and all you had to say was... absolutely nothing.
What about a bit of credit when it's due instead. Our performances against Spurzzz, Manure and Liverpool were dire and rightly so the Manager gets stick, but give him credit for changing things and trying to play in a more positive way (and getting a couple of decent results).
I don't care where he came from, lets just give him time. FFS we have a decent squad of players, hopefully now they will realise they can be competitive.
I don't care where he came from either (honestly) and obviously I do appreciate our recent upturn in performances/results. Long may it continue. It's very encouraging that we've hit some sort of form just in time or the FA Cup, which of course is the height of our ambitions these day (and before any of you think I'm being cynical - I'd LOVE to see us win that as it's the only trophy I've never seen us win. And I ain't getting any younger!)
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Thanks for the honest reply puppyfeat.
I would love him to do well, just because none of us we non plussed when he was appointed and a lot of fans were instantly against him (making his job even more difficult).
Wouldn't the FA Cup be great though.
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I can certainly admit to being one of the many that was not in the least bit happy about his appointment. The standard of football that his Blues sides churned out was appalling and I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that our performances until the last few weeks have been disappointing to say the very least. But to use the word 'hate' when describing the manager of our football club is extreme.
Although I'm far from his biggest fan it would seem that he's listened to (and, more importantly, understood) the bare minimum that we, as a set of supporters, want and require. I don't expect us to be competing for a spot in the top four but I also don't care about finishing mid-table as long as we can show the desire and spirit that we have in recent games. As long as we're passing the ball and getting after teams I couldn't care less about where we end up.
Long may the current improvement continue!
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A massive improvement in the last few games. Along wit the players AM deserves massive credit and only the most myopic will disagree.
A win against Swansea and I think he'll have the backing of most down VP.
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I'm hoping this is the start of a resurgance. I'd love to see/hear a vocal backing on Monday. "Alex Mcleish's Claret and Blue Army". Why not? He's OUR manager.
After beating Chelski - why not "Ginger McMinge io"
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A massive improvement in the last few games. Along wit the players AM deserves massive credit and only the most myopic will disagree.
A win against Swansea and I think he'll have the backing of most down VP.
agreed. The next one is the biggest of his short villa career. And I for one hope he does it. The man can't stay on trial for ever
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We're closer to being his army.. but not there at all yet. 3 good performances will mean nothing if it doesn't keep going. If we lose vs Swansea winning yesterday will mean the square root of fuck all. But if somebody asked me 3 weeks ago if i'd take 4 points from Arsenal, Chelsea (away) and Stoke (away) i'd have bit their hand off as I fully expected 3 [embarrasing] losses.
I'll make my mind up on McLeish at the end of the season. If we perform like yesterday 10 more times (and we stay in the prem) he'll get my backing. If it's back to Hoofball for the majority of the rest of the season then I'll want him gone even if we stay in the prem and win the FA Cup. I cant take watching the shite we were trying vs Spurs, Utd etc etc.
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The next one is the biggest of his short villa career. And I for one hope he does it. The man can't stay on trial for ever
Sums it up really, how many players have been granted more time to settle, than our manager has been given?
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If we continue to adopt the approach we have in the last couple of games involving passing and attacking built on a solid foundation then why not. I want him to succeed he's the Villa manager, so I hope he does.
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If we continue to adopt the approach we have in the last couple of games involving passing and attacking built on a solid foundation then why not. I want him to succeed he's the Villa manager, so I hope he does.
This.
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I really think people have underestimated the impact of losing 6 first team regulars in the summer. Any manager would have had difficulties trying to forge a team after that. There were patches in games earlier in the season where we played some good football but for me Bolton away was the turning point, that was the first 90 minute performance and I think has given the players and manager a real confidence boost.
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If he keeps putting teams out with a positive tactical attitude like yesterday, if he keeps faith in the youngsters, if he puts players in the correct positions and instructs them to make quick and incisive passes on the floor....
He will have changed habits of a life time.
Whatever, a mystical magic wand was waved in the Managers office recently - I hope the effect is permanent.
If it is he will certainly deserve the support.
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Fucksake today's result means the c***'s going to be in charge for ever and ever and ever and ever and aaaarrrrrgggghhh!
Proof that there is, indeed, always one.
Great contribution to the discussion that was Dave. Your first post on this thread and all you had to say was... absolutely nothing.
It said a heck of a lot more than your own contribution.
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To be fair to the bloke, he's lost Friedel, Walker, Downing and the Young brothers from last seasons regular starters so it was never going to be easy.
I've seen some extremely poor displays (Bolton in the Cup, Albion, Man U, Liverpool and Spurs) where the lack of fight was embarassing. Against Arsenal, the team gets appaulded off at HT and FT, despite the result due to the performance and effort showed.
I think McLeish has realised that we will accept losing matches, but we won't accept the team just rolling over without a fight.
As long as that continues, we should get behind both the team and the Manager.
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Richie: "I think McLeish has realised that we will accept losing matches, but we won't accept the team just rolling over without a fight.
As long as that continues, we should get behind both the team and the Manager. "
Exactly
We will also support teams that play footy and we now know this group can. So it is up to Alex now. Just DO NOT go back to defensive hoofball. I wonder if someone had a word in his ear (players?, owner? auditors?) or did he really do a St. Paul.
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I want him to be succesful as that would mean Villa were successful.
We haven't had a popular manager to sing to for a while now and that is strange.
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Obviously it has taken time for Eck to settle down and establish his best team to play how he wants. Over the last few games we've seen the team play the way we want them to play, we wont always win but at least we can see and appreciate the effort. If we carry on playing this way I'll be happy to be one of Alex McLeish's claret & blue army
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If we continue to adopt the approach we have in the last couple of games involving passing and attacking built on a solid foundation then why not. I want him to succeed he's the Villa manager, so I hope he does.
I have to agree with you.
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And I wonder why we are classed as the most negative supporters in the Premier.
For goodness sake you cannot objectively judge the man until this time NEXT year, when he has had a season and a half to mould what he has inherited, to move a few on and to bring in some fresh blood.
Until that time please get behind the team and the manager.
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There's a few very grudging acceptances of our manager on here. Who was the last manager who nobody would support until the he had completed a full season? I think there's been a bloody good bust up between them all at Villa Park; a clear the air session. They are now a team more than 11 individuals who don't trust each other. That takes man management, which I believe McLeish is excellent at.
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Fucksake today's result means the c***'s going to be in charge for ever and ever and ever and ever and aaaarrrrrgggghhh!
Proof that there is, indeed, always one.
Great contribution to the discussion that was Dave. Your first post on this thread and all you had to say was... absolutely nothing.
And here we have someone else who thinks I have a duty to never disagree with them. My post said what I wanted to say; yours said it all.
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There's a few very grudging acceptances of our manager on here. Who was the last manager who nobody would support until the he had completed a full season? I think there's been a bloody good bust up between them all at Villa Park; a clear the air session. They are now a team more than 11 individuals who don't trust each other. That takes man management, which I believe McLeish is excellent at.
I don't see that doubting the abilty of the manager equates to not supporting him. For example, I sincerely doubt that Heskey is good enough to play for Aston Villa, but if he is picked, I will support him and hope that he does well.
Same goes for McLeish: parts of his CV (as well as some of Villa's performances this season) curbs my enthusiasm for the man, though I realize that he has also done better than what could be expected at times. All in all, I think that Villa should have a better manager than McLeish. But that doesn't mean that I don't support him; and I certainly don't think that sacking him without giving him a full season makes any sense. And if he eventually proves me wrong and turns out to be exactly the manager Aston Villa needed at this point in time, I'll be delighted, because if the manager is successful, then it means that the team is also successful.
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It's naive to expect widespread support for the guy, based on the circumstances of his arrival, his recent record and his association with That Lot.
The best he could realistically hope for is that Villa fans would be neutral in their emotions initially, and give him a chance.
He's largely got that. Despite some horrific displays at times, I haven't heard the matchday support turn on him en masse. Hopefully that patience has been rewarded and we (or more specifically HE) has turned a corner, and realised that killing games or wanting to keep the score down might be ok for top flight minnows -clubs happy just to be there and enjoy their days out at OT, Anfield et.c- but not Aston Villa.
More performances like yesterday can only help his cause too.
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I wanted Mcleish out, but after the last 3 games he has changed my view of him.
I say YES to the threads question, even if we lose a couple I games, it's the performance that matters.
We lost to Arsenal but clapped the team off because they tried their best.
So it's time we all got behind the team AND manager.
Hopefully the Chelsea win will bring a few more thousand through the gate tomorrow.
UTV
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It's naive to expect widespread support for the guy, based on the circumstances of his arrival, his recent record and his association with That Lot.
The best he could realistically hope for is that Villa fans would be neutral in their emotions initially, and give him a chance.
He's largely got that. Despite some horrific displays at times, I haven't heard the matchday support turn on him en masse. Hopefully that patience has been rewarded and we (or more specifically HE) has turned a corner, and realised that killing games or wanting to keep the score down might be ok for top flight minnows -clubs happy just to be there and enjoy their days out at OT, Anfield et.c- but not Aston Villa.
More performances like yesterday can only help his cause too.
You are right in that the crowd have never turned against him. It is just as well that the supposedly planned protests at the Arsenal game didn't materialise as it would have created a bad atmosphere. As it was, the crowd were brilliant in their response to the teams performance with an atmosphere rarely experienced at Villa Park.
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Today's result was most welcome but says more about Chelsea than us.
Wrong - yes, Chelsea were poor but we harried, harrassed and unhinged them; which led to the second and third goals. McMinge has finally crafted this squad of players into a team. for which credit is due.
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In the same way that it took more than a few crap performances for me to criticise AM, it will take more than a few good ones before I start noshing him off.
Having said that, i've been delighted with our team selection and attitude since the Manure game (dippers excepted) and long may it last!
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If he can either offload Hutton this month or, if not, then at least leave him on the bench
Hutton is a bit thick and a bit thuggish but he ain't a bad player; he just needs a decent CB next to him to cover the space. Which is why against the Arse he and Cuellar looked very comfortable on the right of defence.
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If he can either offload Hutton this month or, if not, then at least leave him on the bench
Hutton is a bit thick and a bit thuggish but he ain't a bad player; he just needs a decent CB next to him to cover the space. Which is why against the Arse he and Cuellar looked very comfortable on the right of defence.
Can't agree with that. He looks very much a bad player to me. On top of his thuggishness (which isn't something to shrug off), he also has a near total lack of positional awareness.
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If he can either offload Hutton this month or, if not, then at least leave him on the bench
Hutton is a bit thick and a bit thuggish but he ain't a bad player; he just needs a decent CB next to him to cover the space. Which is why against the Arse he and Cuellar looked very comfortable on the right of defence.
Can't agree with that. He looks very much a bad player to me. On top of his thuggishness (which isn't something to shrug off), he also has a near total lack of positional awareness.
So you think it is possible to make it as a professional footballer in the top division in England with a "near total lack of positional awareness"?
He's a decent enough player, easily the equal of Luke Young. He also links well with Albrighton, he gets the ball to him much quicker that Cuellar dies and also makes the runs to to take defenders away and create space. It's telling that Marc has been less effective since he's been out of the side. That said, Carlos has played well and deserves to keep his place.
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So you think it is possible to make it as a professional footballer in the top division in England with a "near total lack of positional awareness"?
Yes, there are plenty of players in the top flight with very limited talents. He played 30 league games in 3 years at Spurs and has hardly looked the part here.
He's a decent enough player, easily the equal of Luke Young.
Can't agree there. For a start, Luke Young never looked like a red card waiting to happen, and didn't give away stupid needless fouls as often as Hutton.
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Fucksake today's result means the c***'s going to be in charge for ever and ever and ever and ever and aaaarrrrrgggghhh!
Proof that there is, indeed, always one.
Great contribution to the discussion that was Dave. Your first post on this thread and all you had to say was... absolutely nothing.
And here we have someone else who thinks I have a duty to never disagree with them. My post said what I wanted to say; yours said it all.
Just the opposite - to be honest I can't remember any occasion when you've ever agreed with anything that I've said on here (and FWIW - I was one of the first contributors over 10 yrs ago). And if you have ever agreed with me, you just don't say anything. Dead easy that, innit? You seem to think that because you created H&V - for which we're all humungously grateful obvs (and I'm not being sarky there - after all, I've put far more money in your pocket than you've ever put into mine) - that you're allowed to jump on any comment any of us might make and try to belittle us because, well, after all, you're Dave Woodhall and whatever you think de facto carries more weight than my opinion or anyone else's. This isn't the first time that you've picked on one of my posts for no reason - and offered no point of view whatsover. However, I can assure you it will definitely be the last time because this is the last you'll ever see of me on here. Congratulations - YOU WIN!
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Fucksake today's result means the c***'s going to be in charge for ever and ever and ever and ever and aaaarrrrrgggghhh!
Proof that there is, indeed, always one.
Great contribution to the discussion that was Dave. Your first post on this thread and all you had to say was... absolutely nothing.
And here we have someone else who thinks I have a duty to never disagree with them. My post said what I wanted to say; yours said it all.
Just the opposite - to be honest I can't remember any occasion when you've ever agreed with anything that I've said on here (and FWIW - I was one of the first contributors over 10 yrs ago). And if you have ever agreed with me, you just don't say anything. Dead easy that, innit? You seem to think that because you created H&V - for which we're all humungously grateful obvs (and I'm not being sarky there - after all, I've put far more money in your pocket than you've ever put into mine) - that you're allowed to jump on any comment any of us might make and try to belittle us because, well, after all, you're Dave Woodhall and whatever you think de facto carries more weight than my opinion or anyone else's. This isn't the first time that you've picked on one of my posts for no reason - and offered no point of view whatsover. However, I can assure you it will definitely be the last time because this is the last you'll ever see of me on here. Congratulations - YOU WIN!
How nice. To disagree with you is to offer "no point of view." That's arrogant enough, but to follow it by saying that I "pick on (your) posts;" shows an awesome amount of self-importance. I can honestly say I've never "picked on" your posts because you wrote them, in fact I've never done that to anyone. On the contrary, I've never so much as paid the slightest attention to whether you've written anything. I have, though, just noticed that amongst your recent posts you've expressed the hope that a Villa player dies, your disappointment that we won as the manager wouldn't now be getting sacked and dismissed our best performance in years as saying more about the opposition (who would have gone fourth had they beaten us) than about us. Such erudite opinions will not be missed.
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Someone on this thread appears to have resigned their commission.
Oh well....
Alex McLeish's Claret and Blue Army ! AVFC !
Alex McLeish's Claret and Blue Army ! AVFC !
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I`ll sing his name from the rooftops if we carry on like the last three games have have been, i never shouted ole against Liverpool, i never ever boo the team, and the bloke will get my absolute cast iron respect if he can pull it off.
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A very good interview with McLeish on AVTV for those who can get it.
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A very good interview with McLeish on AVTV for those who can get it.
He's given good interviews since he arrived, but yes he looked particularly fired up. It's obviously a big win, but he is very quick to point out the bigger intent and not let the momentum slip against Swansea. I hope there is a really good crowd tomorrow and everyone gets behind him and the team.
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Just the opposite - to be honest I can't remember any occasion when you've ever agreed with anything that I've said on here (and FWIW - I was one of the first contributors over 10 yrs ago). And if you have ever agreed with me, you just don't say anything. Dead easy that, innit? You seem to think that because you created H&V - for which we're all humungously grateful obvs (and I'm not being sarky there - after all, I've put far more money in your pocket than you've ever put into mine) - that you're allowed to jump on any comment any of us might make and try to belittle us because, well, after all, you're Dave Woodhall and whatever you think de facto carries more weight than my opinion or anyone else's. This isn't the first time that you've picked on one of my posts for no reason - and offered no point of view whatsover. However, I can assure you it will definitely be the last time because this is the last you'll ever see of me on here. Congratulations - YOU WIN!
Marvellous! The first girly, drama queen strop of 2012! Well done.
You are, of course, still reading, because you want some sad bugger to tell you that you are great and not to go, but in fact you are just a sad keyboard warrior and we have loads of those so no, we won't miss you at all.
Look forward to your new user name.
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This thread went off on a bit of a tangent. I genuinely thought puppyfeat's first post on this thread was an attempt at sarcasm. If it wasn't, then it expressed views that most of us would disagree with and Dave is as entitled to his opinion as any of us are. He's pulled us all up when we talk bollocks.
A conversation would be a pretty dull affair if we all went around agreeing with each other. It is very arrogant to assume somebody who doesn't agree is picking on you.
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This thread went off on a bit of a tangent. I genuinely thought puppyfeat's first post on this thread was an attempt at sarcasm. If it wasn't, then it expressed views that most of us would disagree with and Dave is as entitled to his opinion as any of us are. He's pulled us all up when we talk bollocks.
A conversation would be a pretty dull affair if we all went around agreeing with each other. It is very arrogant to assume somebody who doesn't agree is picking on you.
I agree.
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Not sure 'Alex McLeish's C&B Army' works anyway. It's too busy.
The song the Bindippers have for Dalglish is a more natural fit.
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Chelsea play too high a line.easy pickings! 8)
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This thread went off on a bit of a tangent. I genuinely thought puppyfeat's first post on this thread was an attempt at sarcasm. If it wasn't, then it expressed views that most of us would disagree with and Dave is as entitled to his opinion as any of us are. He's pulled us all up when we talk bollocks.
A conversation would be a pretty dull affair if we all went around agreeing with each other. It is very arrogant to assume somebody who doesn't agree is picking on you.
I agree.
I also agree, and I am unanimous in that.
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Of course, the question now has to be asked, did RL make the right decision in appointing McL, given the circumstances?
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No...we just expect! :)
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Of course, the question now has to be asked, did RL make the right decision in appointing McL, given the circumstances?
I dont think that can be answered yet in fairness. It certainly wasn't a popular choice.
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Agreed Maz.
So many alternative candidates to choose from.
Even if we were going the cutbacks/ austerity route, that might have precluded the likes of Benitez, Hughes and others, but there would still have been less provocative candidates.
A young manager with the right ideas about football, or a guy with a track record of giving youth their opportunity and bringing them through, think Rodgers at Swansea, McDermott at Reading and so forth. No point kidding ourselves that they would have been hugely popular appointments either, but they would have caused far less bad blood than the McLeish appointment and might have suggested that the powers at be do have a wider knowledge base and understanding of the game in this country than we give them credit for.
The hope is that McLeish grows into the role, and adapts his footballing philosophy with the better calibre of players he now has at his disposal. Recent signs have been positive in that regard.
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The thing that bothers me is that nobody gets time now to actually build something. Everything is analyzed instantly and one or two defeats, the sky is falling in. McLeish wasn't a popular choice because of his PL record and his ties to the shit which only added to the problem. But now he's here, we all may as well get behind him because the alternative is even more instability and greater failure. For me, he's evolving in front of our eyes. The last three games he's been far more balanced and we are finding you can actually succeed that way. That whacking the ball long only for it to given away actually puts more pressure on the defence that was already lacking in a bit of confidence. That keeping the ball gives the defence a chance to catch a breather. It also makes us far more potent going forward.
I hope that those who were dead set against him (and maybe still are) will open their eyes and minds a little more and if nothing else get back down to Villa Park and cheer the lads on. If it means that indirectly and without really knowing it you are cheering McLeish then good and you can keep that to yourself.
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Well said Toronto. After the spuds and Liverpooll debacles, I wanted him out after being prepared to give him a chance. However, the Arsenal game may be the turning point that he realises we have to try and win against whoever. Lets hope this continues, we will lose games, I have no problem with that, but we need to have competed
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One win doesn't make us world-beaters any more than one (or four) defeats meant we were going down. But it has shown what this team are capable of and maybe it's shown Alex that there's more than one way to get a result.
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I think we need to give him a chance. Lets be honest, where did we expect to be at this stage?
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One win doesn't make us world-beaters any more than one (or four) defeats meant we were going down. But it has shown what this team are capable of and maybe it's given Alex that there's more than one way to get a result.
That is the most pleasing thing, the team looks more balanced and are trying to play football. It was looking pretty bleak up until the Arsenal game. The last few games has given us hope that there is something to build on.
I just hope that AM has worked out that we can play and continues ith this approach.
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I think we need to give him a chance. Lets be honest, where did we expect to be at this stage?
At the begining of the season i expected us to be about where we are, in November I thought looking at the fixtures and the way we were playing that we would be loooking over our shoulders at the bottom 4 or 5. The big difference is that I am looking at the rest of the season with some optimism.
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As I repiled to Mr Faulkners letter dated 5th August. If Mr McLeish doesnt see out his contract you (faulkner will no doubt resign). However, if Villa result to free flowing football.... i will renew my season ticket.
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I think we need to give him a chance. Lets be honest, where did we expect to be at this stage?
At the begining of the season i expected us to be about where we are, in November I thought looking at the fixtures and the way we were playing that we would be loooking over our shoulders at the bottom 4 or 5. The big difference is that I am looking at the rest of the season with some optimism.
The sad thing is, after two decent results, we are still closer to the sides with genuine relegation fears than the sides who will realistically be aiming for Europe. Only 6 points (two wins) above the drop zone, 11 points (4 wins) off 6th. A bad day at the office against Swansea and we are right back amongst it.
But yes, I too am a bit more optimistic than I was a month or so ago. Hopefully something has clicked in recent games, and we have had the spark that might be the catalyst for really launching our season. Either by luck or by design, Clark has found himself in midfield and Ireland isn't only making selection but actually playing well.
The first target this season still needs to be 40 points. A win against Swansea leaves us in good shape on that front, with only 14 more needed. How soon we acquire them will ultimately dictate our ambitions in the final third of the campaign.
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One win doesn't make us world-beaters any more than one (or four) defeats meant we were going down. But it has shown what this team are capable of and maybe it's shown Alex that there's more than one way to get a result.
That's pretty much my standpoint, too.
The last three matches have been encouraging, where the previous 15 were frequently horrible.
It's a good indication that we can do better, though, so hopefully we will. We needed to start picking up wins pretty sharpish, so three unexpected points yesterday are a good start.
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One win doesn't make us world-beaters any more than one (or four) defeats meant we were going down. But it has shown what this team are capable of and maybe it's shown Alex that there's more than one way to get a result.
That's pretty much my standpoint, too.
The last three matches have been encouraging, where the previous 15 were frequently horrible.
It's a good indication that we can do better, though, so hopefully we will. We needed to start picking up wins pretty sharpish, so three unexpected points yesterday are a good start.
I think that was the main issue with me and lots of others. Even the wins this season were quite often bad games. As this was the only way we saw the previous team he managed play over three seasons it seemed that was the best he could get in the English game. But since the criticism from across the board of the Manure and Liverpool displays (and coincidently wasn't Randy over for them) he has turned it around. Against the Arse we were unlucky, against Stoke we played well but just couldn't create a good chance,but against Chelski it all came together.
Something has definitely happened in the background and we now have an effective team. The only worry is if this new found team spirit is only down to players either playing for a move or playing as they are worried their places might be taken by new signings. We had the same Collins / Dunne improvement this time last season which then faltered after Jan 31st.
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I was never really on his back to begin with, along with the protesting nutters who managed to break into our own club; yet neither was I in the overly agressive pro-McLeish crowd. Just sitting on the fence really.
I've gotta say that I've been growing increasingly frustrated with him, particularly during and after the West Brom debacle at VP, in which I've never left a game feeling so incensed and embarrassed to be a Villa fan. Albeit the recent good football we've been playing against top-notch sides in Arsenal and Chelsea is turning a few heads and has been injecting me with some much needed confidence and dare I say, optimism. I still feel, however, that we've got a lot of things to improve upon, most notably our home form and in particular our disability to put away teams that we should be stuffing, hopefully this will change tomorrow against the Swans (another game I can see myself slumping away from in tears.)
I'd say that he's won me over, for the time being, though this can change in true 'Fickle Villa' fashion if he repeats mistakes made by previous managers, most likely by continuing to stick by Heskey.
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If he tries to somehow shoehorn Heskey into the starting XI, replacing either Clark, Ireland or Gabby- he should be fed to the facking pigs.
Fortunately I think/ (hope) he's not that daft.
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If you go back a month there were only a handful of us on here prepared to stand up against the overwhelming view that he was a rubbish manager. I got all sorts of stick for a relatively moderate view that 13 games was much too early to be writing him off but was told over and over again that things would only get worse, there was also a widely held view that we'd be in the reegation places by the end of the year.
I think there have been signs all season that things weren't as bad as suggested. The defence, other than a susceptibility at corners at times, has been good; Gabby has been on top form and he and Bent are the best pair of strikers outside the top 6; Petrov has had a great season and firstly Herd and now Clark have provided good support to him. The problem has been with the creative players. Both Albrighton and N'Zogbia have struggled for form and Ireland and Bannan have flickered occasionally without really delivering on a consistent basis.
The Boton game saw things finally click into place and although there was a blip against Liverpool we've carried that on in the last 3 games and much of the credit for that must go to the manager. We're not top 6 challengers and I'm sure there will be more ups and downs as the season progresses but we've shown that we're a decent side.
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Interesting to hear the increased support for AM, I was and I am still not sure he is the man for the job, 100% certain he was not the best man for the job.
The club, may just have had it right, they have left us in no doubt, that money is not going to be splashed about like it has been, were they looking for someone who would stabilise the ship, after the departures of so many, not ask for to much to go and buy more overated dross, but give the players coming through a chance.
As has been highlighted, to see Herd, Clarke, Bannan, hopefully Gardner getting their chance and other youngsters on the bench and involved with the squad, is probably the highlight of this and off the last couple of seasons. Also to try and get the First Team playing the way the reserves and youth team
(both have been very successfull over the last 5 years), not trying to get individuals to play to a system that is alien to them, when they come into the first team. This in my view is where we appear to be heading and dependant on results, (because after all it is a results driven business) time will dictate how quickly this happens.
I suppose the silence from the Board , if I am right and this is the direction they are looking at , has not helped A.M
Mind you lose today and go out of the Sacred cup on Saturday, all bets are off.
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I was never against McLeish because of the Bluenose connection, but because I wanted an appointment that was going to energise the Club and fans in a way that he most definitely wasn’t going to be able to do.
He did brilliantly to win the League Cup last year, and relegation was largely attributable to forward’s injuries. Yes he was cautious, but most PL managers with limited resources are. His Rangers managerial career is a bit of an irrelevance, managing Celtic or Rangers is the closest thing to Football Manager 2012 known to man. At Motherwell he started well, then failed, at Hibs he did well. We have never been talking miracle worker here, just a solid experienced manager.
In retrospect you can see the attraction to Randy. A man who was grateful for the job (unlike MON who felt he was doing Randy a favour), low profile, and who was happy to make do and mend rather than spend, spend, spend.
In truth what we have now is where we should be, after regularly selling our best players we are out of contention for prizes, but we have spent enough (Given and Bent) to keep the wolf from the door.
I have not been impressed by his signings. Hutton was always a Scottish Football (Welsh League) standard player not good enough for Tottenham, his limitations are obvious. Jenas was an unwise gamble which has not paid off.
But there is hope. Stephen Ireland is quite clearly bonkers. Howver he can also be a hugely talented and influential midfielder, as he showed at the Bridge. Fabian Delph is also capable of delivering much more. IF he can consistently get the best out of those two there could be brighter days ahead. Heskey is clearly a financial millstone around our neck, he is even worse in midfield than he was in attack (I use the word attack loosely), he should either be dropped and a deal done to offload him, or be used as an emergency central defender in extreme situations. But Heskey isn’t Mcleish’s fault.
McLeish will never “succeed” because he will never be given the money to compete at the top like MON did. He is likely to “do a job”, but there is nothing in his CV to suggest that it will be more than that. He is the man for the moment, no more, no less.
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To anyone who still gripes about his bluenose connection:
How sweet would it be if he was successful? First and foremost it would mean success for us, but as a bonus it will kill the rags to see it as they slide into the abyss.
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On todays evidence...no.
One step forward, 3 steps back.
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Never happen
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PS.He is shit again now. >:(
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AML has returned to be the AML that he has always been apart for three games (Arsenal Stoke Chelsea), one of the muppets would have coached the team better today.
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Still, not a fucking chance
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Yes!
He can not be blamed for the errors our players made today, he never even bought them to the club. He has been left with them. He must be left scratching his head over some of the school boy errors by our defenders.
We have to give him time, we have had this problem of crap defending for quite a while now, MON had these problems in the last part of his time here, they was starting to creep in. It carried on throughout last season and it will be addressed I hope between now and the summer transfer window.
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Yes!
He can not be blamed for the errors our players made today, he never even bought them to the club. He has been left with them. He must be left scratching his head over some of the school boy errors by our defenders.
We have to give him time, we have had this problem of crap defending for quite a while now, MON had these problems in the last part of his time here, they was starting to creep in. It carried on throughout last season and it will be addressed I hope between now and the summer transfer window.
We shouldn't focus on the defence, we've managed 1 goal in four home games! We barely create any chances. A better manager than McLeish could get better results out of this squad, I'm certain of that.
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We didn't defend too badly today... But we were undone by 2 schoolboy errors (in defence, admittedly), and the ability of McL to see thebleedin' obvious. No way should Bent have started today. Gabby should have lead the line with NZog and Albrighton on the wings. I think he probably saw Swansea as an opportunity to tinker and get Bent rehabilitated.
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Everyone has been too quick to give him a chance after a couple of good games, back to normal today passed off the park by swansea, they have a team of normal average players who want to play for the club and we don't.
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1 shot on target at home says it all to me. And it's not like that's the first home game where we've had a very low ratio like that.
4 straight home defeats, not good enough.
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1 shot on target at home says it all to me. And it's not like that's the first home game where we've had a very low ratio like that.
4 straight home defeats, not good enough.
Soon to be 5 when we play Everton. Mcleish must go
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We will never be Alex Mcleish's C&B Army. Not because of the Blues connection but because of his style of play. Its dreadful! I can't see Randy getting shot of him though and I fear we will sell Bent and get more dross like Hutton brought in by McClueless. Its so very depressing being a Villa fan right now
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Our next 4 fixtures before we face the millionaires club at VP:
Everton (H)
Wolves (A)
QPR (H)
Newcastle (A)
On todays performance we're going to struggle to pick up points and will be hovering just above relegation, especially if we dont get anything out of the Wolves and QPR games.
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It's going to take a lot more than being decent for 1 in 4 games (as the ratio seems to be) for him to get much support from me. I'll support the team, but him specifically - no.
Nothing to do with the Blues connection either, he just isn't very good. It's hard to remain proud of your club when someone like him is producing such mundane football.
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Clearly its not working. We are relying on McLeish becoming a better manager and theres no real evidence he has improved as one at our club. Still a shocking appointment all these months later.
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There's a potential 12 points there as none of those sides impress me at the moment. But I wouldn't be surprised if we only managed 1 or 2.
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Just like Chelsea didn't change anything, today doesn't change anything either.
He's just got too defensive a mindset. That worked at Chelsea because Chelsea wanted the 3 points and left gaps at the back chasing them. Today, two defensive howlers left us chasing the game and at no point did we ever look like pushing Swansea back. That is down to the manager's tactics and not individual errors.
With the squad we have and the current level of ambition shown by the owner we're not going to do better than midtable but with a different manager we might at least have more regular entertainment along the way.
You also have to think about the owner's financial ambitions. Four home defeats in a row and three home wins from 10 home matches is hardly going to either inspire new fans to attend VP or keep the ones who do go. I couldn't make the Man U game so gave my ticket to a neutral friend of mine - the experience has put him off going to VP again this season. This manager is going to do a lot of damage to the club in more ways than just poor results against poor teams like Swansea.
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Swansea were not a poor team in comparison to us this afternoon.
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Swansea were not a poor team in comparison to us this afternoon.
You're absolutely right but that's a bad comparison. They are a poor side, they've just been promoted, they hadn't won away from home before today, and we shouldn't be giving them the easiest ride of their life.
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Just like Chelsea didn't change anything, today doesn't change anything either.
He's just got too defensive a mindset. That worked at Chelsea because Chelsea wanted the 3 points and left gaps at the back chasing them. Today, two defensive howlers left us chasing the game and at no point did we ever look like pushing Swansea back. That is down to the manager's tactics and not individual errors.
With the squad we have and the current level of ambition shown by the owner we're not going to do better than midtable but with a different manager we might at least have more regular entertainment along the way.
You also have to think about the owner's financial ambitions. Four home defeats in a row and three home wins from 10 home matches is hardly going to either inspire new fans to attend VP or keep the ones who do go. I couldn't make the Man U game so gave my ticket to a neutral friend of mine - the experience has put him off going to VP again this season. This manager is going to do a lot of damage to the club in more ways than just poor results against poor teams like Swansea.
Hard to disagree with that.
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Swansea were far from poor and played some great football and deserved the 3 points. Dyer ran us ragged.
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There's a potential 12 points there as none of those sides impress me at the moment. But I wouldn't be surprised if we only managed 1 or 2.
I'm looking at those fixtures and seeing 3 or 4 pts maximum. Everton will come to VP looking to win and dominate the game with Moyes looking up the table rather than down, Wolves away is always going to be a tough derby fixture so a draw is probably realistic, we will have a chance of beating QPR even if we play shit, and the away trip to Newcastle could be painful.
Its the games against Wolves and QPR that are really important...we're half way through the season and already looking at results against these 2 teams to keep us out of a relegation battle.
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Swansea were not a poor team in comparison to us this afternoon.
You're absolutely right but that's a bad comparison. They are a poor side, they've just been promoted, they hadn't won away from home before today, and we shouldn't be giving them the easiest ride of their life.
We should at least have tried to press them to get the ball off them.
The only player i saw doing that with any regularity was Gabby.
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Swansea were not a poor team in comparison to us this afternoon.
You're absolutely right but that's a bad comparison. They are a poor side, they've just been promoted, they hadn't won away from home before today, and we shouldn't be giving them the easiest ride of their life.
We should at least have tried to press them to get the ball off them.
The only player i saw doing that with any regularity was Gabby.
Again, what would we do without him?
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so, we have lost the last 4 games, big deal.
What do you expect when we keep coming up against giants (are Swansea considered giants ?)
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Swansea were not a poor team in comparison to us this afternoon.
You're absolutely right but that's a bad comparison. They are a poor side, they've just been promoted, they hadn't won away from home before today, and we shouldn't be giving them the easiest ride of their life.
We should at least have tried to press them to get the ball off them.
The only player i saw doing that with any regularity was Gabby.
It was a mirror image of the Chelsea game. We pressed Chelsea for pretty much 90 minutes, and today we did exactly the opposite. We were 2 yards off the pace to everything, and almost every player at some point miscontrolled the ball. Players like Petrov who are generally excellent at controlling the ball just weren't at the races. It's like every player took the night off. Very disappointing.
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We were just about the only side today didn't make a significant number of changes to personnel. That was a gamble by AM and it backfired. You can't legislate for what Warnock did in the first 5 mins but the side looked like they were playing their second game in 2 days.
In fairness most of us wouldn't have changed anything, but it looked a bigger misjudgment the longer the game went on.
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Did we have a hangover from Chelsea?
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He's just got too defensive a mindset. That worked at Chelsea because Chelsea wanted the 3 points and left gaps at the back chasing them. Today, two defensive howlers left us chasing the game and at no point did we ever look like pushing Swansea back. That is down to the manager's tactics and not individual errors.
A month ago I would have agreed with that but today and versus chelsea I remember occasions where one of either Collins or Dunne went marauding forward. So it strikes me that there has been a change of mentality from the team especially compared to the matches vs Spurs and Man U. This has also coincided with an attempt to play better football.
Today we obviously fucked up but I'd still say the intent of the team was better than previous months. I just hope we don't return to being the funless team that we saw originally under AMc.
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Our next 4 fixtures before we face the millionaires club at VP:
Everton (H)
Wolves (A)
QPR (H)
Newcastle (A)
On todays performance we're going to struggle to pick up points and will be hovering just above relegation, especially if we dont get anything out of the Wolves and QPR games.
They're all winnable though. I wouldn't be surprised if we got 12 points from those games, but then again I wouldn't be shocked if we only got 2.
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in answer to the thread title:-
Errrmm....................................................... NO!
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The big mistake was changing the team, once a goal down we needed to be running at them with more physical presence up front which Gabby gives us. An old mantra in football is dont change a winning team, we came back from a goal down at Chelsea.
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NO >:(
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Was like most devastated at the MCleish appointment and i don't think he will cut it at Villa but, this is not his squad, this is in the main still MONs squad minus its two best players. MON bought his players to play a certain brand of football and it was 70's football.Houllier was our best bet if you wanted to see Villa play a more Arsenal type of game but he would have had to turn over most of the squad to get there and i believe that's what he would have done. Survival is the name of the game at the moment but you can only hang on by the finger tips for so long.
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The lesson here is that shit should only ever roll down hill.
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I think with the performances in the last few games he's bought himself some time in my view. If we play like we did today against Bristol Rovers and Everton I will not be amused.
I'm just trying to work out whether we are shit or if we are an good but inconsistent team. Whilst I'm trying to figure that out I'm going to hold off calling for McLeish to be fed to the pigs. We picked up over the last few performances and the question is whether it was today or them that was the blip.
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in answer to the thread title:-
Errrmm....................................................... NO!
Yes for two fucking days........
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NO >:(
What he said!
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The win at Chelski has bought him an extension in my eyes...these 4 games before Citeh are pretty much make or break for AM.
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I think with the performances in the last few games he's bought himself some time in my view. If we play like we did today against Bristol Rovers and Everton I will not be amused.
I'm just trying to work out whether we are shit or if we are an good but inconsistent team. Whilst I'm trying to figure that out I'm going to hold off calling for McLeish to be fed to the pigs. We picked up over the last few performances and the question is whether it was today or them that was the blip.
Exactly where I'm at.
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after watchin swansea rip us a new one with that brand of the beautiful game, i'd much rather be brendan rogers claret & blue army tbh, theres no bright future under mcleish, he aint suddenly gonna turn into bob paisley
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NO >:(
What he said!
He is a she.
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Love to be the proverbial fly on the wall at Bodymore.
What is the players mindset? Who is the leader? What respect is there for AMc and his henchmen? Why are players like Gabby and even Ireland obviously frustrated and angry on the pitch on match day? Do they discuss/ debate/ argue or even fight over the tactics? Has he lost the plot in the players eyes? What do they think of the Chairman? etc etc What does Marc think when he is asked to strip to go on and then he has to get warm again because the Manager can't decide who to substitute?
We look divided, confused and rudderless. Love to know what is being said inside the camp. Anybody ITK?
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NO >:(
What he said!
He is a she.
Oh no he's not.
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I think with the performances in the last few games he's bought himself some time in my view. If we play like we did today against Bristol Rovers and Everton I will not be amused.
I'm just trying to work out whether we are shit or if we are an good but inconsistent team. Whilst I'm trying to figure that out I'm going to hold off calling for McLeish to be fed to the pigs. We picked up over the last few performances and the question is whether it was today or them that was the blip.
Exactly where I'm at.
Frighteningly mediocre like 85% of the rest of the division which is why you are seeing these sorts of non sensical sequences of results all over the place this season, not just in our case. Even the other 15% of the league (your Man City's etc) aren't much cop either. Put me together a world class team from Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham.......and I mean world class so don't go including the likes of Van Der Vaart or Rooney who have done bugger all at international level
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Agree with you Richard the top teams are not that good it's just the rest are woeful. We have not played consistantly well at home for a long while, even in our better period under MON we could not break the away side down when they stacked midfield but we are not the only ones. Chelsea were perfect for us, desperate for a win and left themselves exposed on the break. To my mind except for a couple of youngsters the whole lot at Villa needs to be got rid of.
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I mentioned in the postmatch thread that Swansea's Board had appointed Martinez to play a passing game, which he duly built a side around. When he left for Wigan they employed a coach (Paolo Sousa) to continue that way of playing. it didn't work out, so they appointed Rodgers, again with that philosophy. So most of those Swansea playewrs have been playing in a similar style for yonks.
We've gone from (only Plan A) O'Neill, to a seemingly random selection of Managers each with a different idea of how the game should be played (how the feck was Martinez considered alongside McLeish from a footballing style point of view?) and unsurprisingly ended up without even a Plan A.
On the one hand there's a valid argument to say that McLeish hasn't been given much of a chance to build a team around a particular style, and looks to be hamstrung from a financial point of view to achieve that anyway, but on the other hand I can see the validity of the argument that what he's done so far doesn't warrant that chance.
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No No No !!!!!! Do not get carried away with the Chelsea result it was a one off. The defeat against Swansea yesteday summed it up perfectly. We are going nowhere fast. McLeish has to go NOW otherwise we are going to fighting to stay up.
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NO >:(
What he said!
He is a she.
Sorry i am all man
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No No No !!!!!! Do not get carried away with the Chelsea result it was a one off. The defeat against Swansea yesteday summed it up perfectly. We are going nowhere fast. McLeish has to go NOW otherwise we are going to fighting to stay up.
I think it's wrong to dismiss the Chelsea result as it was the culmination of some good form for us, which started at Bolton away, even though we did play awful against Liverpool. In truth we're generally better then what we saw yesterday, but not as good as what we saw against Chelsea.
However, when I see what this side is capable of you do have to question why the manager is failing to get that out of them more often? Man for man we have enough to be 'best of the rest' and finish 7th. We're only 7 points off that right now and when you think of the stupid points we've dropped it's not beyond the realms of possibility.
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If we are his 'army' I for one am ready revolt and form a Military Junta.
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NO >:(
What he said!
He is a she.
Sorry i am all man
She is actually a he. No idea where I got that from!
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I think with the performances in the last few games he's bought himself some time in my view. If we play like we did today against Bristol Rovers and Everton I will not be amused.
I'm just trying to work out whether we are shit or if we are an good but inconsistent team. Whilst I'm trying to figure that out I'm going to hold off calling for McLeish to be fed to the pigs. We picked up over the last few performances and the question is whether it was today or them that was the blip.
Exactly where I'm at.
Frighteningly mediocre like 85% of the rest of the division which is why you are seeing these sorts of non sensical sequences of results all over the place this season, not just in our case. Even the other 15% of the league (your Man City's etc) aren't much cop either. Put me together a world class team from Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham.......and I mean world class so don't go including the likes of Van Der Vaart or Rooney who have done bugger all at international level
That's an illogical argument. What have Messi or Ronaldo done at international level?
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I think with the performances in the last few games he's bought himself some time in my view. If we play like we did today against Bristol Rovers and Everton I will not be amused.
I'm just trying to work out whether we are shit or if we are an good but inconsistent team. Whilst I'm trying to figure that out I'm going to hold off calling for McLeish to be fed to the pigs. We picked up over the last few performances and the question is whether it was today or them that was the blip.
Exactly where I'm at.
Frighteningly mediocre like 85% of the rest of the division which is why you are seeing these sorts of non sensical sequences of results all over the place this season, not just in our case. Even the other 15% of the league (your Man City's etc) aren't much cop either. Put me together a world class team from Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham.......and I mean world class so don't go including the likes of Van Der Vaart or Rooney who have done bugger all at international level
That's an illogical argument. What have Messi or Ronaldo done at international level?
And going further back, George Weah, Ryan Giggs, George Best weren't World Cup winners at international level but they were certainly world class players.
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I know someone who works at Villa , he says AMC is over technical , hes too robotic and relies on the computer feedback on performance .
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It's about time we started to let McLeish know how we really feel rather than pussy footing around we don't want him SIMPLE !!! We need to start singing for him to be sacked let's be honest the majority of us don't want him there are a few who say give hime a chance, why? He has had six months which was far too long anyway.
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I mentioned in the postmatch thread that Swansea's Board had appointed Martinez to play a passing game, which he duly built a side around. When he left for Wigan they employed a coach (Paolo Sousa) to continue that way of playing. it didn't work out, so they appointed Rodgers, again with that philosophy. So most of those Swansea playewrs have been playing in a similar style for yonks.
We've gone from (only Plan A) O'Neill, to a seemingly random selection of Managers each with a different idea of how the game should be played (how the feck was Martinez considered alongside McLeish from a footballing style point of view?) and unsurprisingly ended up without even a Plan A.
My take was that GHou was going to be the start of the footballing hegemony down at VP ... but RL gave up on that idea before it had had any chance of seeding.
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It's about time we started to let McLeish know how we really feel.
Ok dazzyg, thanks for giving us the nod. I will therefore sing 'Alex McLeish's Claret and Blue Army' for 90 minutes straight at Bristol Rovers Away.
He's a good manager. He doesn't tell the players to fcuk up like they do, and he most certainly doesn't tell Darren Bent to stand around up front doing nothing. Obviously if things go badly in the next couple of games, opinion would start to change. He's building the team to play like it did against Chelsea, now he knows how to do it, it will still take time to integrate it.
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I know someone who works at Villa , he says AMC is over technical , hes too robotic and relies on the computer feedback on performance .
I've seen that data. It is very comprehensive indeed.
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I think you could reasonably conclude that GHs illness gave Lerner an out because GH would not have stood by while all his better players were sold and not be given any money to strengthen.Mcleish appointment is a statement in itself that Randy has given up, there are so many indicators (his continued absence for one). We are doomed to mediocrity until another buyer appears.
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The fact that Randy has been here twice this season says it all about how his attitude to the club has changed.
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The fact that Randy has been here twice this season says it all about how his attitude to the club has changed.
Maybe but I believe he has gone through a divorce this (last) year (streesful enough) and has moved home to help his son settle into a school?? I guess he could have attended more than twice though??
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When you own your own private jet and are a billionaire, it can not really be that impossible to find a day here and there, can it?
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The fuel for his plane is to expensive also.
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My answer to this topic is NO! it will take a lot for us, well me anyway, to start singing that and I mean ALOT.
As for RL, time to sell up and move on. We have not been told of our future plans and ambitions just so the fans know where they stand and what to really expect. Instead, all we hear is that the wage bill needs to be reduced even more. I genuinely think he is looking for a buyer and will seel up once he finds someone suitable and who is willing to meet his asking price.
Im not really fussed if he comes to games or not as he lives over in the states and not to mention his divorce he has gone through and help settling his son into a new school etc.
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He's a good manager. He doesn't tell the players to fcuk up like they do, and he most certainly doesn't tell Darren Bent to stand around up front doing nothing. Obviously if things go badly in the next couple of games, opinion would start to change. He's building the team to play like it did against Chelsea, now he knows how to do it, it will still take time to integrate it.
If he's such a good manager then why didnt he do something about it by giving Warnock a bollocking for being so shit and telling Bent to move his arse. He is the manager, he has a voice, he has the power to substitute players who arent playing well and he's stood just a few feet away from the pitch, so he is the one responsible for allowing their piss poor performances to continue and not doing taking any action to do anything about it.
I dont want to take any credit away from AM or the team for the Chelsea result, but on reflection after all the hysteria has died down, we played defensive counter attacking football and on another day if Chelsea had been more clinical in front of goal then we could have been soundly beaten. You dont get breaks like that all the time, and you certainly cant play like that at home.
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The fuel for his plane is to expensive also.
Didn't stop him buying a new one this year though. I would have thought that for the amount he might use it and if Randy money is at a premium now with the stock crash, It would have been better value just to pay business class to fly when required.
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on another day if Chelsea had been more clinical in front of goal then we could have been soundly beaten.
Just to check, exactly what were these clear cut chances Chelsea had for us to be soundly beaten?
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Watch the highlights from the game again. We had a few more shots on target but they had 11 shots off target. The "what ifs" don't really matter so I'm just happy that we got the win otherwise we'd 15th in the table right now.
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supertommy - You obviously think that ginger is the one to guide us forward ? what a load of cobblers he is useless he has no idea what he is doing why take Ireland off when he was playing pretty well? AM will be the first manager to take two teams down in consecutive seasons. He has no idea what to do lets face it. Come on lets sing "WE WANT GINGER OUT I SAY WE WANT GINGER OUT" he is nothing more than a waste of time we all know it apart from a few fans who thinks he is the right man - how wrong you are. Are you a secret nose?????
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It's about time we started to let McLeish know how we really feel rather than pussy footing around we don't want him SIMPLE !!! We need to start singing for him to be sacked let's be honest the majority of us don't want him there are a few who say give hime a chance, why? He has had six months which was far too long anyway.
Don't fucking dare assume to know what I do or do not want. And you believing that 6 months is too long just sums up your understanding of the game.
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supertommy - you say that Bent was standing around is it not to do with the fact the McLeish doesnt set out to play with a striker ?? Think about it. We all know that Bent is on his way out because he is disillusioned with how AM sets out his teams lets face it Am has always played for a draw in most games.
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Watch the highlights from the game again. We had a few more shots on target but they had 11 shots off target. The "what ifs" don't really matter so I'm just happy that we got the win otherwise we'd 15th in the table right now.
I think that was mainly shots from distance. Drogba had one good chance, when put through by Torres, and then he hit the bar himself. And if we're playing that sort of game, then I'm claiming Gabby's sitter and saying they needed 3 decent chances just to draw, which I didn't see.
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Yeah on the MOTD highlights they showed about 6 goal scoring chances for Chelsea compared to just Gabbys one-on-one. Funnily enough, I was furious at the bias coverage that they showed. Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that it looks like the Chelsea game was a one off result that was either due to AM tactics or a combination of factors going in our favour on the day.
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I think you could reasonably conclude that GHs illness gave Lerner an out because GH would not have stood by while all his better players were sold and not be given any money to strengthen.
I posted similar a while back. Not so much an 'out' for Lerner, more a chance to bring forward the savage cuts sooner- get the pain out of the way, so to speak.
They were already set on the course of cost cutting post MON -and most of GH's deals lined up for the summer seemed to be cut price (though not necessarily bad) deals. The unfortunate reoccurrence of GH's illness presented them with an opportunity to go for a manager who would actually add numbers to the gate, a manager set on a similar path to GH, Or a manager who would be just grateful for a job- any job. And would be fully on board with his better players being sold and wage bill, wage bill, wage bill being the no.1 concern this season.
The problem with bringing all this forward sooner is that if gate receipts and matchday revenue continues to plummet, how better off are we in all honesty.
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Yeah on the MOTD highlights they showed about 6 goal scoring chances for Chelsea compared to just Gabbys one-on-one. Funnily enough, I was furious at the bias coverage that they showed. Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that it looks like the Chelsea game was a one off result that was either due to AM tactics or a combination of factors going in our favour on the day.
I posted this earlier (on this thread, I think?) but I think the Chelsea result was a culmination of the good form we've shown since Bolton away, the Liverpool game excepted. So not a one off for me, but then the goodwill, confidence and momentum that generated was thrown away against Swansea.
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supertommy - You obviously think that ginger is the one to guide us forward ? what a load of cobblers he is useless he has no idea what he is doing why take Ireland off when he was playing pretty well? AM will be the first manager to take two teams down in consecutive seasons. He has no idea what to do lets face it. Come on lets sing "WE WANT GINGER OUT I SAY WE WANT GINGER OUT" he is nothing more than a waste of
time we all know it apart from a few fans who thinks he is the right man - how wrong you are. Are you a secret nose?????
If you want to sing it who is stopping you? Do you need a load of others with you to give you the courage? Give it a try at Bristol if it helps you.
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AM will be the first manager to take two teams down in consecutive seasons.
except for when Avram Grant beat him to it last year
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supertommy - You obviously think that ginger is the one to guide us forward ? what a load of cobblers he is useless he has no idea what he is doing why take Ireland off when he was playing pretty well? AM will be the first manager to take two teams down in consecutive seasons. He has no idea what to do lets face it. Come on lets sing "WE WANT GINGER OUT I SAY WE WANT GINGER OUT" he is nothing more than a waste of time we all know it apart from a few fans who thinks he is the right man - how wrong you are. Are you a secret nose?????
I do think McLeish is the one to guide us upwards at least, yes. He is a good manager developing a good team who play good Football at times.
I don't know why he took Ireland off, other than he wanted to play 4 4 2. I also thought it was a ridiculous idea as we could have played Ireland behind the striker in a 4 4 1 1 which is basically the same. However, I will not judge the man on the decision.
As DCF said, go on, sing it. Or do you need others to help you?
How wrong I am?? Shall we see about that? Will you say that if we were to win the FA Cup? You must have had a miserable New Years dazzyg after seeing us walk over Chelsea thanks to his tactics.
Yes, I am a secret nose. How did you guess? Was it the 843 posts over the space of nearly 6 years?
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supertommy - you say that Bent was standing around is it not to do with the fact the McLeish doesnt set out to play with a striker ?? Think about it. We all know that Bent is on his way out because he is disillusioned with how AM sets out his teams lets face it Am has always played for a draw in most games.
No, it isn't. It's to do with the fact that he is lazy and all he can do, as great as it is, is score goals.
AM evidently does try to play with a striker, yet I think we can tell and he is beginning to see that the best formation for us is not this 4 2 3 1, it is in fact the 4 4 2 or 4 4 1 1. Bent probably will leave, but if he does go, then I fully trust McLeish to purchase a suitable replacement if he feels there is one needed. With 2 wingers, DB has had more than enough chances in front of goal, and many of these have come in games that we have drawn where McLeish has set out to win.
I apologise that I do no agree with your very one sided opinion. I have a feeling I know what your opinion is based on.
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FAO dazzyg:
Please do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.
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I do think McLeish is the one to guide us upwards at least, yes. He is a good manager developing a good team who play good Football at times.
I'm afraid as stated above, that is absolute cobblers. He isn't developing a good side at all. We've lost our two best wingers, bought the absolutely dire Hutton and the inconsistent N'Zogbia who isn't a patch on Young and Downing, and the only bit of business we look like doing in January is bringing in Robbie Keane. As for playing good football, we were shown how to do that yesterday by a team who cost a fraction of what the Villa team to put together. As for being a good manager - purlease. He's terrible. Shit football, shit results.
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If I'm proven wrong, I'm proven wrong, but I think he is building something good at VP.
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If I'm proven wrong, I'm proven wrong, but I think he is building something good at VP.
Based on what exactly?
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supertommy - you say that Bent was standing around is it not to do with the fact the McLeish doesnt set out to play with a striker ?? Think about it. We all know that Bent is on his way out because he is disillusioned with how AM sets out his teams lets face it Am has always played for a draw in most games.
You don't half seem to know what everyone else thinks.
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Thankyou for the glowing comments fellow villa fans........ we all have our own opinion and I just happen to be one of the many fans who want McLeish out. Why do some fans think the sun shines out of his arse? The man is taking us to an all time low why cant some fans see it. I was at Chelsea we won ok lets get over it Chelsea are not the team they were. Swansea played us off the pitch with seven changes to their previous game. They had not won an away game all season they play us and win. Mcleish got small heath relegated are we next?
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Thankyou for the glowing comments fellow villa fans........ we all have our own opinion and I just happen to be one of the many fans who want McLeish out. Why do some fans think the sun shines out of his arse? The man is taking us to an all time low why cant some fans see it. I was at Chelsea we won ok lets get over it Chelsea are not the team they were. Swansea played us off the pitch with seven changes to their previous game. They had not won an away game all season they play us and win. Mcleish got small heath relegated are we next?
Has the thought ever occured to you that you may actually have it all wrong? Or that those that don't agree with you may be employing an unusual tactic called "thinking for themselves"?
Personally, I think anyone who goes to a game to boo a manager who's had six months in the job is a wanker, the lowest of the low, and drags the good name of my club through the mud.
It's just my opinion, of course.
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Calling someone the lowest of the low is as bad as calling someone a bluenose. Just my opinion of course.
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still makes me laugh when people talk about us losing are best twp players, admittedly Young was a super player who we cant replace straight away, but Downing ?
in the pub watching Liverpool last night, packed out with Liverpool fans, absolutley hated Downing, they were going mad at the useless article, far worse than any stick we give our players, at times it was almost violent abuse, LOL
the bloke is the biggest waste of 20 mill ever, i know we didnt reinvest so it makes it all academic, but to talk about Downing as though he would make any difference to our current team is rubbish, he would be totally invisable in our team this year, he had no bottle anyways, he would be of no use at all.
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Can anyone join in his verbal handbags? I think the scum from Bordesley Green got off very lightly when we dubbed them Bluenoses likewise the Red Filth from the Theatre Of Inyourdreams when we call them Manyoofans.
I think Alex McLeish was very much the wrong man for the job but he was chosen for economic reasons not football reasons. He is a decent man and a respectable man but I cannot ever see him in all truth scaling the heights of the Premiership.
However, because he was chosen for economic reasons and those economic reasons harden with every game, he is a t Villa Park for a long time. He is the Villa manager so I endure what I have to endure and that includes the manager for the sake of my club.
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all the LFC fans at my work place are cursing downing as i currently type this message - Hilarious! Me and my bro wind up my my cousin and say that LFC got him on the cheap!
Anyway, regarding Eck, on twitter last night, someone called AVFCMysteryMan tweeted saying that Eck will quit the villa this morning. I certainly do not believe this but wondered if anyone also heard this "most likely" made up rumour?
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all the LFC fans at my work place are cursing downing as i currently type this message - Hilarious! Me and my bro wind up my my cousin and say that LFC got him on the cheap!
Anyway, regarding Eck, on twitter last night, someone called AVFCMysteryMan tweeted saying that Eck will quit the villa this morning. I certainly do not believe this but wondered if anyone also heard this "most likely" made up rumour?
Please be true. Millions believe in the baby jesus so I am going to believe this for a few hours.
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all the LFC fans at my work place are cursing downing as i currently type this message - Hilarious! Me and my bro wind up my my cousin and say that LFC got him on the cheap!
Anyway, regarding Eck, on twitter last night, someone called AVFCMysteryMan tweeted saying that Eck will quit the villa this morning. I certainly do not believe this but wondered if anyone also heard this "most likely" made up rumour?
Please be true. Millions believe in the baby jesus so I am going to believe this for a few hours.
AM may be many things, but I don't believe he's a quitter. In fact he's the exact opposite to MON in character.
Just another load of bollox from Twatter
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still makes me laugh when people talk about us losing are best twp players, admittedly Young was a super player who we cant replace straight away, but Downing ?
in the pub watching Liverpool last night, packed out with Liverpool fans, absolutley hated Downing, they were going mad at the useless article, far worse than any stick we give our players, at times it was almost violent abuse, LOL
the bloke is the biggest waste of 20 mill ever, i know we didnt reinvest so it makes it all academic, but to talk about Downing as though he would make any difference to our current team is rubbish, he would be totally invisable in our team this year, he had no bottle anyways, he would be of no use at all.
Downing scored 7 goals in the league last season, plus assisted in a fair few as well. N'Zogbia hasn't scored yet. There's the difference.
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all the LFC fans at my work place are cursing downing as i currently type this message - Hilarious! Me and my bro wind up my my cousin and say that LFC got him on the cheap!
Anyway, regarding Eck, on twitter last night, someone called AVFCMysteryMan tweeted saying that Eck will quit the villa this morning. I certainly do not believe this but wondered if anyone also heard this "most likely" made up rumour?
Please be true. Millions believe in the baby jesus so I am going to believe this for a few hours.
AM may be many things, but I don't believe he's a quitter. In fact he's the exact opposite to MON in character.
Just another load of bollox from Twatter
AVFCMYsteryMan is the fake Mysteryman, who makes things up for a laugh. Not that the real Mysterman is any more accurate.
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Thankyou for the glowing comments fellow villa fans........ we all have our own opinion and I just happen to be one of the many fans who want McLeish out. Why do some fans think the sun shines out of his arse? The man is taking us to an all time low why cant some fans see it. I was at Chelsea we won ok lets get over it Chelsea are not the team they were. Swansea played us off the pitch with seven changes to their previous game. They had not won an away game all season they play us and win. Mcleish got small heath relegated are we next?
Is this a telegram?
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Downing scored 7 goals in the league last season, plus assisted in a fair few as well. N'Zogbia hasn't scored yet. There's the difference
Charlie scored 9 league goals last season for Wigan.
And he's scored as many as Downing has this season in 5 fewer games.
There's very little difference
Except that Downing is a grasping twat
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If I'm proven wrong, I'm proven wrong, but I think he is building something good at VP.
Based on what exactly?
Based on the fact he wants to be at the club, the Football can be extremely good to watch at times (admittedly at others it is appalling) and the fact that he is blooding our youngsters in the right way.
I think a lot of it is just positive feeling I have for some reason. I could well be proved wrong, I'd rather not be, but I can see us doing something pretty good this season. Position doesn't say that at the moment, but optimism is a fantastic thing.
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all the LFC fans at my work place are cursing downing as i currently type this message - Hilarious! Me and my bro wind up my my cousin and say that LFC got him on the cheap!
Anyway, regarding Eck, on twitter last night, someone called AVFCMysteryMan tweeted saying that Eck will quit the villa this morning. I certainly do not believe this but wondered if anyone also heard this "most likely" made up rumour?
Please be true. Millions believe in the baby jesus so I am going to believe this for a few hours.
AM may be many things, but I don't believe he's a quitter. In fact he's the exact opposite to MON in character.
Just another load of bollox from Twatter
AVFCMYsteryMan is the fake Mysteryman, who makes things up for a laugh. Not that the real Mysterman is any more accurate.
Thought as much hence why i didnt believe it and could never imagine Eck leaving on his own accord.
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Downing has had 0 assists At least CNZ has managed maybe 2??
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Downing cost more that CNZ and should be delivering the goods for LFC considering they have a 10ft giant in the box for him to aim at
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Downing has had 0 assists At least CNZ has managed maybe 2??
He'll get more as well. By the end of this season we'll all be agreeing N'Zogbia is much better than Downing ever was.
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Downing cost more that CNZ and should be delivering the goods for LFC considering they have a 10ft giant in the box for him to aim at
I couldn't give a stuff what Downing is or isn't doing at Liverpool. The fact is that other than two or three half decent games, N'Zogbia has delivered diddly squat in a Villa shirt so far.
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Downing cost more that CNZ and should be delivering the goods for LFC considering they have a 10ft giant in the box for him to aim at
I couldn't give a stuff what Downing is or isn't doing at Liverpool.
However if you want to make anything like a fair comparison you have to take it into account. Downing should be finding it far easier in that Liverpool side than N'Zog has it at Villa. Heck, many people would argue that Villa under Mcliesh have only been trying to play football since the Arsenal match. How is N'Zog supposed to do anything with the ball being hoofed over his head most of the time?
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If I'm proven wrong, I'm proven wrong, but I think he is building something good at VP.
Based on what exactly?
Based on the fact he wants to be at the club, the Football can be extremely good to watch at times (admittedly at others it is appalling) and the fact that he is blooding our youngsters in the right way.
I think a lot of it is just positive feeling I have for some reason. I could well be proved wrong, I'd rather not be, but I can see us doing something pretty good this season. Position doesn't say that at the moment, but optimism is a fantastic thing.
The football has been good to watch in a very small percentage of the games. The norm though has been for it to be abysmal. The "performances" against Spurs, Man U, Liverpool and Swansea were as painful to watch as anything served up in the last 20 years.
The showing against Chelsea was outstanding, but is definitely starting to look the anomaly.
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still makes me laugh when people talk about us losing are best twp players, admittedly Young was a super player who we cant replace straight away, but Downing ?
in the pub watching Liverpool last night, packed out with Liverpool fans, absolutley hated Downing, they were going mad at the useless article, far worse than any stick we give our players, at times it was almost violent abuse, LOL
the bloke is the biggest waste of 20 mill ever, i know we didnt reinvest so it makes it all academic, but to talk about Downing as though he would make any difference to our current team is rubbish, he would be totally invisable in our team this year, he had no bottle anyways, he would be of no use at all.
my mate just posted me this ..
Alright John… slowly but surely, i'm starting to see your point of view… game by game, Downing has got worse!! He is so safe and is really wet. He was bloody awful tonight, and doesn't like a risk…
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Finally got to watch the replay, was struck by the crowd response to Ireland being subbed, it was all round the ground. How does a manager come back from something like that, it must weaken his position with the players.
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Downing cost more that CNZ and should be delivering the goods for LFC considering they have a 10ft giant in the box for him to aim at
I couldn't give a stuff what Downing is or isn't doing at Liverpool. The fact is that other than two or three half decent games, N'Zogbia has delivered diddly squat in a Villa shirt so far.
There are quite a few players underperforming this season. I wonder why that is?
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If I'm proven wrong, I'm proven wrong, but I think he is building something good at VP.
Based on what exactly?
Based on the fact he wants to be at the club, the Football can be extremely good to watch at times (admittedly at others it is appalling) and the fact that he is blooding our youngsters in the right way.
I think a lot of it is just positive feeling I have for some reason. I could well be proved wrong, I'd rather not be, but I can see us doing something pretty good this season. Position doesn't say that at the moment, but optimism is a fantastic thing.
The football has been good to watch in a very small percentage of the games. The norm though has been for it to be abysmal. The "performances" against Spurs, Man U, Liverpool and Swansea were as painful to watch as anything served up in the last 20 years.
The showing against Chelsea was outstanding, but is definitely starting to look the anomaly.
Of recent games most performances have been better; Bolton, Arsenal, Stoke and Chelsea and even the Swansea game was not as bad as you're suggesting. Terrible goals conceded but in the first half in particular we played some good football.
We're an improving team but we're miles from being the finished article and it is inevitable that there will be ups and downs along the way.
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Finally got to watch the replay, was struck by the crowd response to Ireland being subbed, it was all round the ground. How does a manager come back from something like that, it must weaken his position with the players.
It was a daft reaction. Ireland has hardly played any football recently, the Chelsea game was his first 90 minutes and he was visibly tiring.
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The showing against Chelsea was outstanding, but is definitely starting to look the anomaly.
Not really. Villa were unlucky not to get anything against Arsenal, a match in which they played just as well as they did against Chelsea. That's two good performances against the so-called 'big six' - teams which many people were saying we wouldn't even bother trying against this season.
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I thought we were rubbish against Swansea to be honest and I thought Stoke were awful .
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If I'm proven wrong, I'm proven wrong, but I think he is building something good at VP.
Based on what exactly?
Based on the fact he wants to be at the club, the Football can be extremely good to watch at times (admittedly at others it is appalling) and the fact that he is blooding our youngsters in the right way.
I think a lot of it is just positive feeling I have for some reason. I could well be proved wrong, I'd rather not be, but I can see us doing something pretty good this season. Position doesn't say that at the moment, but optimism is a fantastic thing.
The football has been good to watch in a very small percentage of the games. The norm though has been for it to be abysmal. The "performances" against Spurs, Man U, Liverpool and Swansea were as painful to watch as anything served up in the last 20 years.
The showing against Chelsea was outstanding, but is definitely starting to look the anomaly.
Of recent games most performances have been better; Bolton, Arsenal, Stoke and Chelsea and even the Swansea game was not as bad as you're suggesting. Terrible goals conceded but in the first half in particular we played some good football.
We're an improving team but we're miles from being the finished article and it is inevitable that there will be ups and downs along the way.
I'd agree with most of that, but the common thread running through those games is that comedy defending has cost us the points our performances might otherwise have deserved. Whatever McLeish may or may not be building at VP, we'll never see the finished article until he and the team start getting the basics right.
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I thought we were rubbish against Swansea to be honest and I thought Stoke were awful .
Then I don't think you were paying proper attention. We weren't great but then "great" and "rubbish" are not the only options. We nullified Stoke and played the better football on the night.
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I'd say we were comfortably better than Stoke and should have nicked it.
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I thought we were rubbish against Swansea to be honest and I thought Stoke were awful .
Then I don't think you were paying proper attention. We weren't great but then "great" and "rubbish" are not the only options. We nullified Stoke and played the better football on the night.
yes we did , which wasn't actually hard to play the better football. I just thing think AMC should have had the balls to get the 3 points instead of settling for a draw . Yes , a point normally is good at Stoke , but they were rubbish.
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I thought we were rubbish against Swansea to be honest and I thought Stoke were awful .
Then I don't think you were paying proper attention. We weren't great but then "great" and "rubbish" are not the only options. We nullified Stoke and played the better football on the night.
yes we did , which wasn't actually hard to play the better football. I just thing think AMC should have had the balls to get the 3 points instead of settling for a draw . Yes , a point normally is good at Stoke , but they were rubbish.
Mcleish could have been more positive in his substitutions towards the end of the Stoke game. However he was more postive in the Chelsea match so it could be argued he learned his lesson. Then again it was back to square one against Swansea.
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I thought we were rubbish against Swansea to be honest and I thought Stoke were awful .
Then I don't think you were paying proper attention. We weren't great but then "great" and "rubbish" are not the only options. We nullified Stoke and played the better football on the night.
yes we did , which wasn't actually hard to play the better football. I just thing think AMC should have had the balls to get the 3 points instead of settling for a draw . Yes , a point normally is good at Stoke , but they were rubbish.
Mcleish could have been more positive in his substitutions towards the end of the Stoke game. However he was more postive in the Chelsea match so it could be argued he learned his lesson. Then again it was back to square one against Swansea.
maybe two steps back ;)
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I thought we were rubbish against Swansea to be honest and I thought Stoke were awful .
Then I don't think you were paying proper attention. We weren't great but then "great" and "rubbish" are not the only options. We nullified Stoke and played the better football on the night.
yes we did , which wasn't actually hard to play the better football. I just thing think AMC should have had the balls to get the 3 points instead of settling for a draw . Yes , a point normally is good at Stoke , but they were rubbish.
Mcleish could have been more positive in his substitutions towards the end of the Stoke game. However he was more postive in the Chelsea match so it could be argued he learned his lesson. Then again it was back to square one against Swansea.
There was never a draw option against Chelsea. It was shit or bust and McLeish got it bang on at the right time.
It is debatable whether the inclusion of Bent instead of Albrighton against Swansea was our downfall.
If McLeish had dropped Bent he would have been wrong in many eyes. A classic case of 'damned if you do and damned if you don't'. My own view remains that Bent does not do enough, service or no service. He had a half chance in front of the Holte End and should have done better. Those sort of chances are where serious goal poachers need to get results. They can't just be tap ins.
On a superstitious point, I think we were doomed when we lost the toss and had to kick towards the Holte in the first half. If anybody has the analysis of what percentages of games we don't win, where we kick towards the Holte in the first half, I would like to see it.
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I do think McLeish is the one to guide us upwards at least, yes. He is a good manager developing a good team who play good Football at times.
I'm afraid as stated above, that is absolute cobblers. He isn't developing a good side at all. We've lost our two best wingers, bought the absolutely dire Hutton and the inconsistent N'Zogbia who isn't a patch on Young and Downing, and the only bit of business we look like doing in January is bringing in Robbie Keane.
Regarding the 'loss' of Downing and Young. If anyone equal or better to these was available then you would have expected them to have been snapped up by Dalglish and Ferguson. When they failed to do so, who did it leave for McLeish? I don't think that N'Zogbia has been too inconsistent. He started as absolutely useless, remained like that for a fair while, but is definitely getting better. If he goes back to being crap again then I would have to agree with inconsistent. My enthusiasm for Keane goes down as each season passes but, if he comes on as a sub against us, I am always filled with dread that he might score. If we get him it will probably only be for a short term but may help to start getting the ball in the net. I am still hoping it happens unless there is a better player available.
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It is debatable whether the inclusion of Bent instead of Albrighton against Swansea was our downfall.
If McLeish had dropped Bent he would have been wrong in many eyes. A classic case of 'damned if you do and damned if you don't'.
Tend to agree.
We did look a more potent attacking force at Chelsea when Bent came on, and you can't bench an £18 million England international for too long in our position. But maybe we should've gone with the exact same XI that started the game down in the Smoke.
Others think our mistake was not making even more changes, tiredness being a factor with such a short break between games. He'd have definitely taken pelters if he'd deviated too far from the side that beat Chelsea and finally looked like it had a bit of cohesion. But then he took pelters anyway. C'est la vie.
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we have more balance with 4-5-1 and Gabby up top on his own with N'Zogbia on the left and Albrighton on the right. N'Zogbia doesn't look himself in the middle or on the right. Gabby's problem is that as good as he is, he's not an instinctive striker. He's a grafter that will score between 10-15 goals a season so it's hard to know for a manager who to play with him or where to put him in any system. For Swansea, I think we should have started with the same XI that started against Chelsea but fully accept why Bent was brought back. It also avoided for one night that Bent was definittely being sold because he's on the bench type rumours.
What I can say is that whatever team we should have started with, it doesn't help in the least that Warnock fucked it up for the first goal and then proceeded to have a fucking 'mare with Nathan Dyer tearing him a new one every time he had the ball. That completely unbalanced our team and our confidence for the rest of the evening.
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we have more balance with 4-5-1 and Gabby up top on his own with N'Zogbia on the left and Albrighton on the right. N'Zogbia doesn't look himself in the middle or on the right. Gabby's problem is that as good as he is, he's not an instinctive striker. He's a grafter that will score between 10-15 goals a season so it's hard to know for a manager who to play with him or where to put him in any system. For Swansea, I think we should have started with the same XI that started against Chelsea but fully accept why Bent was brought back. It also avoided for one night that Bent was definittely being sold because he's on the bench type rumours.
What I can say is that whatever team we should have started with, it doesn't help in the least that Warnock fucked it up for the first goal and then proceeded to have a fucking 'mare with Nathan Dyer tearing him a new one every time he had the ball. That completely unbalanced our team and our confidence for the rest of the evening.
Spot on mate.
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Our centre midfielders aren't good enough to play 4-4-2.
Our attacking midfielders are crap on the wing (Bannan and Ireland).
Gabby has to be in the team, but is very inconsistent out wide, and if you play 4-2-3-1 he needs to stay wide otherwise it gets crowded.
It's a difficult one, and part of the reason I could see McLeish selling Bent, putting Gabby uptop and getting a winger in.
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Why is everyone focusing on the defence as to why we have been on a bad run? Yes we've conceded sloppy goals but, Chelsea aside (where two of our goals came where they were throwing men forward to try for a win), since the Norwich game we've scored 3 goals in 8 matches. Playing Swansea at home we had one shot on target and that was a header by a centre-half from one of our 15 corners.
Conceding silly goals doesn't help but it's not the reason we've picked up as few points as we have. AML is blaming that as he can pin it on individual errors out of the manager's immediate control but the reality is the negative way he sets us up restricts the chances we have on goal and therefore makes every silly goal conceded even more important.
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Why is everyone focusing on the defence as to why we have been on a bad run? Yes we've conceded sloppy goals but, Chelsea aside (where two of our goals came where they were throwing men forward to try for a win), since the Norwich game we've scored 3 goals in 8 matches. Playing Swansea at home we had one shot on target and that was a header by a centre-half from one of our 15 corners.
Conceding silly goals doesn't help but it's not the reason we've picked up as few points as we have. AML is blaming that as he can pin it on individual errors out of the manager's immediate control but the reality is the negative way he sets us up restricts the chances we have on goal and therefore makes every silly goal conceded even more important.
I'd have agreed, up until the Arsenal game.
My take is that he's not negative at all, yes we want to be tight but that needs to happen anyway, the issue has been to fill the two gaping holes left on either flank Downing and Young going, and the new/existing options finding form and fitness.
I think he's onto it, and I believe given a bit of time and a chance to get some fresh faces in he'll be a success.
Why not get behind him?
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Why is everyone focusing on the defence as to why we have been on a bad run? Yes we've conceded sloppy goals but, Chelsea aside (where two of our goals came where they were throwing men forward to try for a win), since the Norwich game we've scored 3 goals in 8 matches. Playing Swansea at home we had one shot on target and that was a header by a centre-half from one of our 15 corners.
Conceding silly goals doesn't help but it's not the reason we've picked up as few points as we have. AML is blaming that as he can pin it on individual errors out of the manager's immediate control but the reality is the negative way he sets us up restricts the chances we have on goal and therefore makes every silly goal conceded even more important.
I'm not sure he sets us up negatively: we have some reasonably attacking players in most of the AML line-ups. I think the issue is partly attitudinal and partly poor management / motivation skills. Getting rid of some of the billy-big-bollox in the squad will help immensely.
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Getting rid of some of the billy-big-bollox in the squad will help immensely.
I don't see how that will help our attack TBH. As has been stated, one of the few shots on target against Swansea was from a centre half that you would count as one of the 'Billy Big Bollox', so I don't see how getting rid of him would help. The two decent performances I saw against Swansea were from N'Zogbia and Dunne (BBB2). The best player on show against Chelsea was Ireland (BBB3?). I presume you don't count Heskey as a Billy Big Bollox as he's not even a regular starter.
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Can someone please explain to me how booing your own players or manager is going to help things?
Yes I know you pay your hard earned cash to go to Villa Park and you are entitled to your views. But right now running out at Villa Park must be very daunting, not for the away team but for our team.
Look at it this way, if you were going through a bad patch at work and your mates were on your back constantly telling you how shit you are, it wouldn't exactly do your confidence any good but a show of support may just help you get back on track. Right now the club needs us the fans to get right behind the team no matter what. Things may not look too rosy right now and it's at times like this we need to live up to the "Twelfth Man" banner that adorns The Holte End.
So at the Everton game let's remind the rest of football that we are the noisiest buggers in the country. More singing and no booing please.
To quote our most famous and loyal supporter "We're all in this together".
No matter who the manager or owner is, Aston Villa is our club and it's high time we collectively got behind the team and gave them our whole hearted support.
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Things may not look too rosy right now and it's at times like this we need to live up to the "Twelfth Man" banner that adorns The Holte End.
Very good atmosphere against Arsenal. No atmosphere against Swansea (except for the away fans).
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Things may not look too rosy right now and it's at times like this we need to live up to the "Twelfth Man" banner that adorns The Holte End.
Very good atmosphere against Arsenal. No atmosphere against Swansea (except for the away fans).
Something to cheer about against Arsenal and nothing against Swansea. You could feel the atmosphere change against the Arse when Ireland chased a lost cause midway through the first half. It wasn't much, but was enough for most to really back the players. There was commitment against Swansea, but after the Chelsea game that wasn't enough.
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To continue the comparison to our day to day jobs, none of us get paid 40 grand a week and we dont have people paying 40 quid to watch us do two hours work. Like it or not, as football turns itself more in to a business it has to expect fans to behave more like customers. Therefore the onus on generating the atmosphere lies with the players. As has been stated - the effort shown by the players in the Arsenal game caused the atmosphere to improve. The lack of ambition shown against Swansea made the atmosphere worse.
As for negativity, playing an attacker on the right side of midfield is not an attacking move if it means we're only playing one up front, at home, against a side that hasn't won away all season. And the negativity extends beyond the formation and personnel - the players seem more reluctant to push forward. How many times has a defender or midfielder crossed the half way line with the ball and had no-one infront of him to pass to? These are basically the same players who never had this issue before so I can only conclude the manager is telling them to be more cautious.
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That's rubbish, Adam. You're basically saying that 4-4-2 is the only way to pay an attacking team when in reality hardly anyone dies it these days.
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Yeah, I'd say your standard 4-4-2 is quite a negative tactic.
And never in a million years is N'Zogbia a left midfield player, certainly not with bloody Warnock behind him anyway.
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Whenever we get around to the topic of booing on these threads I feel obliged to make the point that booing is the emotional alternative to cheering. If something at a game pleases and excites you you cheer if something displeases and angers you you boo.
Booing is a perfectly harmless and innocent activity expressing dissatisfaction.
Racism, sexism, homophobia - they are very different matters but at the final whistle of the Swansea game to expostulate "Booooo! That was a load of rubbish Villa!" is in my opinion an acceptable and very normal way of making a point.
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Whenever we get around to the topic of booing on these threads I feel obliged to make the point that booing is the emotional alternative to cheering. If something at a game pleases and excites you you cheer if something displeases and angers you you boo.
Booing is a perfectly harmless and innocent activity expressing dissatisfaction.
Racism, sexism, homophobia - they are very different matters but at the final whistle of the Swansea game to expostulate "Booooo! That was a load of rubbish Villa!" is in my opinion an acceptable and very normal way of making a point.
Completely agree, and every fan had the right to be dissatisfied with that display.
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Yeah, I'd say your standard 4-4-2 is quite a negative tactic.
And never in a million years is N'Zogbia a left midfield player, certainly not with bloody Warnock behind him anyway.
That way certain disaster and pains in the scrota lie.
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That's rubbish, Adam. You're basically saying that 4-4-2 is the only way to pay an attacking team when in reality hardly anyone dies it these days.
Ah, Chris Smith and your standard respectful debating style. It's been a while.
You're just showing yourself to be as tactically narrow-minded as MON was. I'm not at all saying 442 is the only way to play. To give you an extreme example, Barcelona, the most attacking team in the world in my opinion play 3 up front. We could've quite easily gone with three up front against Swansea on Monday by telling Gabby and CNZ to push further up the field and trouble their defence. Instead they spent the majority of the game so close to our full backs they could've held hands with them. Also, how often do you see our full backs overlapping these days? Under MON they were overlapping all the time as we pushed teams back.
They've clearly been told to not be too adventurous; a safety first mentality. Not the best tactic for scoring goals.
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Whenever we get around to the topic of booing on these threads I feel obliged to make the point that booing is the emotional alternative to cheering. If something at a game pleases and excites you you cheer if something displeases and angers you you boo.
Booing is a perfectly harmless and innocent activity expressing dissatisfaction.
Racism, sexism, homophobia - they are very different matters but at the final whistle of the Swansea game to expostulate "Booooo! That was a load of rubbish Villa!" is in my opinion an acceptable and very normal way of making a point.
Absolutely.
And -whats more- have any of these 'get behind the lads' requests on an internet messageboard worked? Ever? Or for that matter, the polar opposite- lets all boo?
I suppose you could point to some of the gimmicks used like free scarves and flags -or in the case of Blackburn Rovers the after match protests. But the in game atmosphere will generally reflect what goes on on the pitch. Much harder to manipulate. Unless less the match is in Pyongyang.
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The real Kevin Gage's name has just been listed in a big black book somewhere in North Korea.
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That's rubbish, Adam. You're basically saying that 4-4-2 is the only way to pay an attacking team when in reality hardly anyone dies it these days.
Ah, Chris Smith and your standard respectful debating style. It's been a while.
You're just showing yourself to be as tactically narrow-minded as MON was. I'm not at all saying 442 is the only way to play. To give you an extreme example, Barcelona, the most attacking team in the world in my opinion play 3 up front. We could've quite easily gone with three up front against Swansea on Monday by telling Gabby and CNZ to push further up the field and trouble their defence. Instead they spent the majority of the game so close to our full backs they could've held hands with them. Also, how often do you see our full backs overlapping these days? Under MON they were overlapping all the time as we pushed teams back.
They've clearly been told to not be too adventurous; a safety first mentality. Not the best tactic for scoring goals.
Barcelona's whole philosophy is to win the ball back as quickly as possible. Those front free are therefore their first line of defence and the team aims to win the ball back in the opposition's half.
McLeish could have adopted that strategy against Swansea but are tactics were too conservative and you need a high level of fitness- it was frustrating to watch them pass the ball in their own half with only Bent for company.
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I wonder if the fans who think McLEISH is doing a good job actually go to Villa Park.......... because everyone I speak to and there are many people no one seems to be in favour of him......... and to the fans who have made comments regarding my posts.......... if a fan wants to boo who says I am wrong to do so?
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There is a visible tension amongst the players when playing at home and McLeish is displaying all the signs of a manager who is too afraid to lose for fear of the reaction from the home fans. Given the fact that any reasonable person knows full well that McLeish is going absolutely nowhere right now and you’ve already paid for your season ticket what is the point in booing and making a bad situation even worse?
Put yourself in the shoes of our players and ask yourself what you are most likely to respond to, 20,000 Holtenders booing and calling you a wanker or 90 minutes of support?
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That's rubbish, Adam. You're basically saying that 4-4-2 is the only way to pay an attacking team when in reality hardly anyone dies it these days.
Ah, Chris Smith and your standard respectful debating style. It's been a while.
You're just showing yourself to be as tactically narrow-minded as MON was. I'm not at all saying 442 is the only way to play. To give you an extreme example, Barcelona, the most attacking team in the world in my opinion play 3 up front. We could've quite easily gone with three up front against Swansea on Monday by telling Gabby and CNZ to push further up the field and trouble their defence. Instead they spent the majority of the game so close to our full backs they could've held hands with them. Also, how often do you see our full backs overlapping these days? Under MON they were overlapping all the time as we pushed teams back.
They've clearly been told to not be too adventurous; a safety first mentality. Not the best tactic for scoring goals.
Again, that's rubbish. You've got a position and you manipulate the facts to suit it. There was nothing safety first about our display on Monday, we were on the front foot for the majority of the game but after a bright first half, whether through tiredness or lack of ideas, we ran out of steam as the game went on.
4-3-3 and 4-5-1 are two sides of the same coin. When you're going forward it is the former and when defending it's the latter.
Barcelona play a unique style where they hunt in packs and press high up the pitch and with a very fluid attitude to formation with players interchanging constantly. Using possibly the best team the world has ever seen as a comparator is not particularly helpful.
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I wonder if the fans who think McLEISH is doing a good job actually go to Villa Park.......... because everyone I speak to and there are many people no one seems to be in favour of him......... and to the fans who have made comments regarding my posts.......... if a fan wants to boo who says I am wrong to do so?
If you want to boo, fill your boots. I doubt that anybody cares if you continuously boo for the whole game, including your journeys to and from the ground. But please stop the 'if you don't agree with me you're not a real fan / you're a Bluenose / you don't go to the game' bollocks.
Also, do you not understand that it's possible to have an opinion somewhere in the middle of McLeish doing a good job or doing a shit job? For example that he's got somethings right but some wrong and should be given a bit more time. Or that you would like him gone but realise that in the current climate that isn't going to happen so as a Villa fan you will support him and the team anyway.
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It was also hard to get fullbacks overlapping against Swansea when one was a CB and the other had a good winger up aginst him.
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I wonder if the fans who think McLEISH is doing a good job actually go to Villa Park.......... because everyone I speak to and there are many people no one seems to be in favour of him......... and to the fans who have made comments regarding my posts.......... if a fan wants to boo who says I am wrong to do so?
If you want to boo, fill your boots. I doubt that anybody cares if you continuously boo for the whole game, including your journeys to and from the ground. But please stop the 'if you don't agree with me you're not a real fan / you're a Bluenose / you don't go to the game' bollocks.
Also, do you not understand that it's possible to have an opinion somewhere in the middle of McLeish doing a good job or doing a shit job? For example that he's got somethings right but some wrong and should be given a bit more time. Or that you would like him gone but realise that in the current climate that isn't going to happen so as a Villa fan you will support him and the team anyway.
Well said sheffieldVillain.
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It was also hard to get fullbacks overlapping against Swansea when one was a CB and the other had a good winger up aginst him.
I bet Warnock couldn't wait for that game to end. Dyer took the piss out of him all afternoon.
Impressed with him.
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It was also hard to get fullbacks overlapping against Swansea when one was a CB and the other had a good winger up aginst him.
I bet Warnock couldn't wait for that game to end. Dyer took the piss out of him all afternoon.
Impressed with him.
As was I.
Oh, Alex......
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I wonder if the fans who think McLEISH is doing a good job actually go to Villa Park.......... because everyone I speak to and there are many people no one seems to be in favour of him......... and to the fans who have made comments regarding my posts.......... if a fan wants to boo who says I am wrong to do so?
You don't boo though, as far as I can see. You keep asking for 'everyone' else to join in with you. I am not hell bent on getting the manager sacked as you are. Booing at the end of a game / half is one thing but you seem to want it all the time. Have you considered writing to Mr.Lerner? He may be able to help.
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I don't have much of an issue with booing at full time.
Booing at half time, though, is a different thing.
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I always have and always will support the team but you don't have to support a manager who has no grasp of how a team should be structured. How many times has he been relegated in his career? Why does he not play to Darren Bents strength by basically giving him the ball , its not rocked science is it?
We are now being linked with Drogba-Keane-Duff - this is desperation is it not?
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I don't have much of an issue with booing at full time.
Booing at half time, though, is a different thing.
Agree, booing at half-time simply sets a poor precedent for the 2nd half. If you are frustrated then try and hold it in for another 45 minutes and support the team in-between. You never know they might respond.
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I always have and always will support the team but you don't have to support a manager who has no grasp of how a team should be structured. How many times has he been relegated in his career? Why does he not play to Darren Bents strength by basically giving him the ball , its not rocked science is it?
We are now being linked with Drogba-Keane-Duff - this is desperation is it not?
Why do you have this need to make sure that everyone else boos with you? If you hate McLeish, fine, go for it. If you want to sit during the match and boo, fine, go for it.
You remind me of the schoolboy who wants to misbehave but doesn't have the balls to do it by themself so looks around the room to find someone who'll join in.
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That's rubbish, Adam. You're basically saying that 4-4-2 is the only way to pay an attacking team when in reality hardly anyone dies it these days.
Ah, Chris Smith and your standard respectful debating style. It's been a while.
You're just showing yourself to be as tactically narrow-minded as MON was. I'm not at all saying 442 is the only way to play. To give you an extreme example, Barcelona, the most attacking team in the world in my opinion play 3 up front. We could've quite easily gone with three up front against Swansea on Monday by telling Gabby and CNZ to push further up the field and trouble their defence. Instead they spent the majority of the game so close to our full backs they could've held hands with them. Also, how often do you see our full backs overlapping these days? Under MON they were overlapping all the time as we pushed teams back.
They've clearly been told to not be too adventurous; a safety first mentality. Not the best tactic for scoring goals.
Again, that's rubbish. You've got a position and you manipulate the facts to suit it. There was nothing safety first about our display on Monday, we were on the front foot for the majority of the game but after a bright first half, whether through tiredness or lack of ideas, we ran out of steam as the game went on.
4-3-3 and 4-5-1 are two sides of the same coin. When you're going forward it is the former and when defending it's the latter.
Barcelona play a unique style where they hunt in packs and press high up the pitch and with a very fluid attitude to formation with players interchanging constantly. Using possibly the best team the world has ever seen as a comparator is not particularly helpful.
I'm not manipulating any facts. The facts are that we had one shot on target at home against Swansea. Another fact is that in 180 minutes against Swansea we haven't scored a single goal. Another fact is that Chelsea aside we've scored 3 goals in 8 games. What in all of that am I manipulating? What in all that is evidence that we've been good going forward?
Given you say 'there was nothing safety first about our display on Monday' I've got to ask if you actually saw the game? Time after time our players crossed the half way line with the ball and had no-one to pass to so turned around and either passed it back to the centre-halves or back to Guzan. Throughout the game their defence passed it around between them with no pressure whatsoever. This was exactly the same against Liverpool and was pretty similar against Stoke although having Gabby up front against Stoke at least put their defence under a bit more pressure.
We've scored 22 goals from 20 games this season. Only 5 teams have scored less than that. Why don't you start looking at the facts and stop dismissing other people's views as 'rubbish'.
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Our goalscoring record is abysmal, I don't think anyone could disagree with that. Not even Chris in his most argumentative mood.
The main reason it is that way is not because the strikers are missing chances, it is because we don't create them. Strikers are always going to miss chances, that is the way it goes, but if you're not creating them in the first place, you've got a real problem.
How many matches have we seen where we've had 1 - or zero - shots on target?
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Our goalscoring record is abysmal, I don't think anyone could disagree with that. Not even Chris in his most argumentative mood.
The main reason it is that way is not because the strikers are missing chances, it is because we don't create them. Strikers are always going to miss chances, that is the way it goes, but if you're not creating them in the first place, you've got a real problem.
How many matches have we seen where we've had 1 - or zero - shots on target?
My point exactly. I don't blame the strikers at all because as the fact about Benty having the fewest touches of any player in the Premier League proves the service just isn't there.
Then you have to question why the chances aren't coming. I don't think it's the players selected because with Gabby, Ireland, Bannan, Albrighton, CNZ on the pitch we should be creating loads of chances. But when you watch the game you see how conservative we're set up and how unadventurous we are going forward and the only conclusion you can draw is that the manager is instructing them to play this way.
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Given you say 'there was nothing safety first about our display on Monday' I've got to ask if you actually saw the game? Time after time our players crossed the half way line with the ball and had no-one to pass to so turned around and either passed it back to the centre-halves or back to Guzan. Throughout the game their defence passed it around between them with no pressure whatsoever. This was exactly the same against Liverpool and was pretty similar against Stoke although having Gabby up front against Stoke at least put their defence under a bit more pressure.
I do remember one specific moment when Villa had got forward but Gabby was still at the halfway line. What was he doing there?
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SheffiedVillain - Im not asking anyone to "join in " I don't need anyone else to join I am more than capable of showing my annoyance to the ginger man by myself which I have done now for the past few games (Trinity road stand middle) my point is that I am amazed having heard fellow fans (away from the ground) that there are many more like myself who feel he is not the man to guide us. Dont just agree with the fans who are afraid to rock the boat. We pay good money to watch crap this is not on.
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SheffiedVillain - Im not asking anyone to "join in " I don't need anyone else to join I am more than capable.....
I will have to stop you here....
Come on lets sing "WE WANT GINGER OUT I SAY WE WANT GINGER OUT" he is nothing more than a waste of time we all know it apart from a few fans who thinks he is the right man - how wrong you are. Are you a secret nose?
Whilst it may not be booing you are asking people to join in. You don't have to ask people to join you. If they share the opinion enough, they will do it anyway.
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SheffiedVillain - Im not asking anyone to "join in " I don't need anyone else to join I am more than capable of showing my annoyance to the ginger man by myself which I have done now for the past few games (Trinity road stand middle) my point is that I am amazed having heard fellow fans (away from the ground) that there are many more like myself who feel he is not the man to guide us. Dont just agree with the fans who are afraid to rock the boat. We pay good money to watch crap this is not on.
Did it ever occur to you that those who share your opinions put supporting the team first and think booing the manager come what may is counterproductive to that?
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And you are not asking anyone to join in!
SheffiedVillain - Im not asking anyone to "join in " I don't need anyone else to join. Calling all Villa Fans !!!!!!!!!!!
It is now time to start McLEISH how we feel we are too quiet at Villa Park. What is it with us? Not once has anyone jeered him at Villa Park? Why?
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For christ sake lets do something and start letting Mcleish know that we don't want him.
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Why then do the fans who are paying to go into the game still create no atmosphere? As soon as we lose a game thats when we can get on the back of AM and show him (vocally) what we think of him
All stand up if you hate McLeish
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SheffiedVillain - Im not asking anyone to "join in " I don't need anyone else to join I am more than capable of showing my annoyance to the ginger man by myself which I have done now for the past few games (Trinity road stand middle) my point is that I am amazed having heard fellow fans (away from the ground) that there are many more like myself who feel he is not the man to guide us. Dont just agree with the fans who are afraid to rock the boat. We pay good money to watch crap this is not on.
Did it ever occur to you that those who share your opinions put supporting the team first and think booing the manager come what may is counterproductive to that?
I noticed that there were a load of stewards between the dug out and tunnel after the Swansea game as they were clearly expecting Mcleish to get some grief. By the final whistle so many fans had already left in disgust that they didn't have to bother prtoecting him. He did get quite a bit of stick as he got to the tunnel.
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Our goalscoring record is abysmal, I don't think anyone could disagree with that. Not even Chris in his most argumentative mood.
The main reason it is that way is not because the strikers are missing chances, it is because we don't create them. Strikers are always going to miss chances, that is the way it goes, but if you're not creating them in the first place, you've got a real problem.
How many matches have we seen where we've had 1 - or zero - shots on target?
My point exactly. I don't blame the strikers at all because as the fact about Benty having the fewest touches of any player in the Premier League proves the service just isn't there.
Then you have to question why the chances aren't coming. I don't think it's the players selected because with Gabby, Ireland, Bannan, Albrighton, CNZ on the pitch we should be creating loads of chances. But when you watch the game you see how conservative we're set up and how unadventurous we are going forward and the only conclusion you can draw is that the manager is instructing them to play this way.
No, it's your conclusion not the only one.
We got into good positions time and time again on Monday but the final ball or the touch of Bent caused moves to breakdown as well as Swansea always having 10 men behind the ball. If McLeish wanted to pay a conservative game he's pick a different group of players, you don't include Ireland and N'Zogbia if that's your game plan.
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Not being argumentive. Just a question to Chris. Is their anything in your opinion that McLeish could do to improve us without spending any money?
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Not being argumentive. Just a question to Chris. Is their anything in your opinion that McLeish could do to improve us without spending any money?
Without money the other thing he needs is time.
I think he's got to a point where he's got the players buying into a system that has started to pay dividends, over the past few games most performances have been much improved but he can't do anything about the individuals errors that has cost us.
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I think most people agreed at the time that the only chance McLeish had was if Lerner backed him with some serious transfer funds. As that hasn't happened, I'd say that Alex Mcleish - transfer money + time = relegation.
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SheffiedVillain - Im not asking anyone to "join in " I don't need anyone else to join I am more than capable of showing my annoyance to the ginger man by myself which I have done now for the past few games (Trinity road stand middle) my point is that I am amazed having heard fellow fans (away from the ground) that there are many more like myself who feel he is not the man to guide us. Dont just agree with the fans who are afraid to rock the boat. We pay good money to watch crap this is not on.
As demonstrated by my learned colleagues, you are indeed quite clearly asking people to join in. Even when saying that you are not asking people to join in you then say 'don't just agree with the fans who are afraid to rock the boat'. This is also asking people to join in, as well as insulting everyone with a different point of view to you, which is incredibly arrogant of you.
As for 'my point is that I am amazed having heard fellow fans (away from the ground) that there are many more like myself who feel he is not the man to guide us.' you might want to rephrase your point as it is a touch on the difficult side to understand at present.
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I think most people agreed at the time that the only chance McLeish had was if Lerner backed him with some serious transfer funds. As that hasn't happened, I'd say that Alex Mcleish - transfer money + time = relegation.
I was of the opinion that in order to win the fans over he needed the money to get us in and around the Euro places again, but without doesn't mean relegation - more probably bobbing along where we are and opinions being mainly negative about him.
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I think most people agreed at the time that the only chance McLeish had was if Lerner backed him with some serious transfer funds. As that hasn't happened, I'd say that Alex Mcleish - transfer money + time = relegation.
I take it you no absolutely no faith with our youngsters, Risso?
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I think most people agreed at the time that the only chance McLeish had was if Lerner backed him with some serious transfer funds. As that hasn't happened, I'd say that Alex Mcleish - transfer money + time = relegation.
I take it you no absolutely no faith with our youngsters, Risso?
I'm afraid not. There are a few prospects but they cant be relied upon or expected to keep us out of relegation, and they need to be integrated into a solid team of first team regulars. The scenario where SAF can afford to bring in 3 or 4 younsters amongst a team of seasoned internationals is a long way off where we are right now.
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I think most people agreed at the time that the only chance McLeish had was if Lerner backed him with some serious transfer funds. As that hasn't happened, I'd say that Alex Mcleish - transfer money + time = relegation.
I take it you no absolutely no faith with our youngsters, Risso?
I think we've got some decent young players, but none of whom are going to make us anything other than a mid table side. I also don't think that McLeish is the person to develop them. Albrighton looks a shadow of the player he was, Delph hasn't impressed at all, Bannan looks talented but lightweight and Delfouneso isn't impressing, Clark looks to be the best of the people given a chance so far, and Gary Gardner might live up to the hype, but if we're going to rely increasingly on our youth, then we need the stars around to help them, and we haven't got them. Albrighton is struggling enough without having to play in front of either of the worst two full backs we've had at the club in years for example, and an increasingly pedestrian Petrov isn't going to get the best out of Clark or Bannan.
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I think most people agreed at the time that the only chance McLeish had was if Lerner backed him with some serious transfer funds. As that hasn't happened, I'd say that Alex Mcleish - transfer money + time = relegation.
I take it you no absolutely no faith with our youngsters, Risso?
I'm afraid not. There are a few prospects but they cant be relied upon or expected to keep us out of relegation, and they need to be integrated into a solid team of first team regulars. The scenario where SAF can afford to bring in 3 or 4 younsters amongst a team of seasoned internationals is a long way off where we are right now.
i would strongly disagree with your view there KRS,
i believe are youngsters are well capable of seeing us well clear of relegation if played in a positive manner, in fact the likes of Bannan, Clarke, Albrighton, Herd, and maybe Gardner are as good as if not better than most of the midfield players in the premieship from 9th/10thdown
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Hoping our youngsters will see us clear of relegation?
Proud history, bright future.
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I shudder to think we we'll be in a year's time if McLeish is still here. We'll get away with it this season as I really can't see the likes of Bolton, Wigan, Wolves, QPR and Blackburn getting above 35 points but next season I'm not so sure the way the club is going.
He's totally lost me know with the Robbie Keane signing anyway.
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I shudder to think we we'll be in a year's time if McLeish is still here. We'll get away with it this season as I really can't see the likes of Bolton, Wigan, Wolves, QPR and Blackburn getting above 35 points but next season I'm not so sure the way the club is going.
He's totally lost me know with the Robbie Keane signing anyway.
We've signed him? Cries. Far too many years too late.
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That's the history part Leeg.
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I shudder to think we we'll be in a year's time if McLeish is still here. We'll get away with it this season as I really can't see the likes of Bolton, Wigan, Wolves, QPR and Blackburn getting above 35 points but next season I'm not so sure the way the club is going.
He's totally lost me know with the Robbie Keane signing anyway.
We've signed him? Cries. Far too many years too late.
I'm not sure what the thinking is here. Launching balls at Benty's head from the defence doesn't work. Launching them at the head of someone much shorter is going to be even less effective.
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I think most people agreed at the time that the only chance McLeish had was if Lerner backed him with some serious transfer funds. As that hasn't happened, I'd say that Alex Mcleish - transfer money + time = relegation.
I take it you no absolutely no faith with our youngsters, Risso?
I'm afraid not. There are a few prospects but they cant be relied upon or expected to keep us out of relegation, and they need to be integrated into a solid team of first team regulars. The scenario where SAF can afford to bring in 3 or 4 younsters amongst a team of seasoned internationals is a long way off where we are right now.
i would strongly disagree with your view there KRS,
i believe are youngsters are well capable of seeing us well clear of relegation if played in a positive manner, in fact the likes of Bannan, Clarke, Albrighton, Herd, and maybe Gardner are as good as if not better than most of the midfield players in the premieship from 9th/10thdown
See Risso's response for my answer to that John E.
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The kids are our only hope. Personally want Clark and Herd together to give us a base. Albrighton Bannan and Gardner should be played whenever possible. Our problems are in defence where each of the first choice are an accident waiting to happen. Id bite QPR hand off for 3million for Collins im praying that Stevens at least will give Warnock the kick up the arse he needs. At least some competition. Cuellar has to play every game. We look as though were going to stumble our way to the summer when major restructuring of defence is needed. Would anyone sacrifice Bent so we could possibly buy 2/3 defenders?
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That's the scary part Ad@m. He says he wants him because he is very bright and a good dressing room influence.
Let's not worry about our shortcomings on the pitch, our lack of team spirit, our lack of willingness to play to the manager's instructions (we are told), our inability to defend from corners, ditto score from same, lack of leadership, inability to create shots on goal - let's forget all that and get somebody clever who will cheer up the dressing room. Perhaps if we don't successfully swoop for Keane, panto will soon be over so we could get Ken Dodd or Christopher Biggins.
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I shudder to think we we'll be in a year's time if McLeish is still here. We'll get away with it this season as I really can't see the likes of Bolton, Wigan, Wolves, QPR and Blackburn getting above 35 points but next season I'm not so sure the way the club is going.
He's totally lost me know with the Robbie Keane signing anyway.
We've signed him? Cries. Far too many years too late.
I'm not sure what the thinking is here. Launching balls at Benty's head from the defence doesn't work. Launching them at the head of someone much shorter is going to be even less effective.
We don't launch balls from the defence at "Benty's" head.
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I shudder to think we we'll be in a year's time if McLeish is still here. We'll get away with it this season as I really can't see the likes of Bolton, Wigan, Wolves, QPR and Blackburn getting above 35 points but next season I'm not so sure the way the club is going.
He's totally lost me know with the Robbie Keane signing anyway.
My thinking too. Even with a few good signings he's still the same manager.
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Just refreshed my memory by looking back the the post match comments against Chelsea, most really believed we had turned the corner, then we get beaten at home by a side that had never won away this season and we are back blaming Mcleish. Look i don't rate him as a manager but what happened against Swansea happened continually under MON, when away sides pack their midfield and hit us on the break we struggle. just as Chelsea did against us and United against Blackburn. Just remind me when was the last time we dominated an opposition at Villa Park?
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I would imagine the only reason we are going to take on Keane is because one of the 4 are going (or more) its a cheapskate way of patching up the side to tackle the impending struggle that lies ahead.
My opinion, someone is going.
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Just refreshed my memory by looking back the the post match comments against Chelsea, most really believed we had turned the corner, then we get beaten at home by a side that had never won away this season and we are back blaming Mcleish. Look i don't rate him as a manager but what happened against Swansea happened continually under MON, when away sides pack their midfield and hit us on the break we struggle. just as Chelsea did against us and United against Blackburn. Just remind me when was the last time we dominated an opposition at Villa Park?
Indeed MON was equally clueless about how to break down a team that parks the bus. I at least remember that we would have more than one attempt on goal and never looked quite so hapless. While I agree that all teams struggle to break down a defensively set up opposition, managers need to plan for it. MON had Plan A but no Plan B. To date I have not seen any evidence of Mcleish having any sort of plan.
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Tbh, the swansea result happens this time of year when teams play so many games. They made 6 changes or so, we kept the same team apart from bent that beat chelsea...Was tiredness a factor in the performance???? AM was in a no win situation unless we won that game, if he had changed it around,then he would have been slagged off for changing a winning team..Prior to that game, i think things were changing for the better, but imo he needs time to build his own team, and for the boo boys to give a break..
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So everybody with a legitimate criticism of the manager is to be given the tabloid press tag of "boo boy"?
And how exactly de we do this wonderful thing of "getting behind the manager?" Do we shout in unison "great full back you got us there from Tottenham Big Eck" or "Nice to see you giving Warnock more time to find his real form Big Eck" or "good to see you are making sure the players are getting enough pies Big Eck" or "Swansea really are a tough nut to crack Big Eck. Are they Giants?" or "can we have Roy Keane as well Big Eck? Are they by any chance related?"
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The Swansea match reminded me of when Wigan first came into the Premier League, McLeish can get it right as shown vs Chelsea, but will he be given time and the resources ?
UTV
The Doc
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Another day with McLeish at the helm just wondering if any fans on here think that if we were to get beat against Bristol Rovers who would want him sacked with immediate effect? This is a message to the fans who DO NOT WANT HIM not to the fans who think that loyal fans like myself are wrong in saying what I think and then have "an opinion" that I'm wrong.
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dazzyg, put us all out of our misery and tell us who you would replace AM with. And the reasons for your choice.
Don't forget that whoever you pick will have exactly the same resources at his disposal as AM.
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If and its a massive IF we were to lose on saturday then i really couldnt see him staying on. The fall out would be worse than the Doncaster debacle.
I think he will at a minimum see out the season and i fully expect him to be hear come august also. AM saving grace this year is not just the absolute dross in the league (which in my opinion is the only reason were safe), however the biggest for me is that Blues are not in our league. Can you imahine if we had to play the scum this year and came out on the losing side on top of our current state!? AM would be near enough lynched!
Randy is clearly preparing the club for a sale and is doing the bare minimum therefore a guy like AM in charge can deflect some of the attention away from where the true troubles are and thats the board!
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dazzyg, put us all out of our misery and tell us who you would replace AM with. And the reasons for your choice.
Don't forget that whoever you pick will have exactly the same resources at his disposal as AM.
to be honest i could easily pick 10 managers who i would rather have than AM,
they wouldnt suit everybody on here the same as other peoples choices probably wouldnt suit me sometimes, because the whole thing is subjective,
but then we are not picking the manager its mr Lerner and we have Mcliesh, so we have to learn to live with it for the time being
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Another day with McLeish at the helm just wondering if any fans on here think that if we were to get beat against Bristol Rovers who would want him sacked with immediate effect? This is a message to the fans who DO NOT WANT HIM not to the fans who think that loyal fans like myself are wrong in saying what I think and then have "an opinion" that I'm wrong.
It's all very well having an opinion Darren, but you do abuse the privilege.
So you are now asking the fans who don't want McLeish if he should be sacked if we lose against Brissul?
I suggest you stick to your ever so quiet booing.
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Laughing Policeman - "misery" why are you so down about it? For christ sake cheer up man. As you are aware there are not many available candidates at the moment the only person I guess "available" is Mark Hughes. Someone who could possibly do a good job "if available" would have been David Moyes he has something about him doesnt take much shit etc etc. His style of play is more exciting etc etc.
El Farto - thanks for allowing me to continue my "quiet booing" I didn't realise I needed permission.........
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Having read the latest "comical comments" from certain fans how can anyone think his style of play is acceptable? I truly wonder if you are watching the same game? The lack of atmosphere in the ground is because of the manager is it not? Or am i watching a different game to the "fans" who think we should just sit back and accept shite.
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Just refreshed my memory by looking back the the post match comments against Chelsea, most really believed we had turned the corner, then we get beaten at home by a side that had never won away this season and we are back blaming Mcleish. Look i don't rate him as a manager but what happened against Swansea happened continually under MON, when away sides pack their midfield and hit us on the break we struggle. just as Chelsea did against us and United against Blackburn. Just remind me when was the last time we dominated an opposition at Villa Park?
Indeed MON was equally clueless about how to break down a team that parks the bus. I at least remember that we would have more than one attempt on goal and never looked quite so hapless. While I agree that all teams struggle to break down a defensively set up opposition, managers need to plan for it. MON had Plan A but no Plan B. To date I have not seen any evidence of Mcleish having any sort of plan.
Only swansea didn't park the bus they just passed us off the park, I agree with you about Mon and mcshit however. I think players are a problem most of the team Mon brought are still here and need to be replaced only problem is that costs money and we don't have it. If we did I wouldn't trust him to spend it wisely
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I can't see Lerner sacking him. It isn't going to happen this season.
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Laughing Policeman - "misery" why are you so down about it? For christ sake cheer up man. As you are aware there are not many available candidates at the moment the only person I guess "available" is Mark Hughes. Someone who could possibly do a good job "if available" would have been David Moyes he has something about him doesnt take much shit etc etc. His style of play is more exciting etc etc.
El Farto - thanks for allowing me to continue my "quiet booing" I didn't realise I needed permission.........
which Everton have you been watching then ?
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I can't see Lerner sacking him. It isn't going to happen this season.
He's on a 3 year contract, isn't he?
MY main issue is that if Randy is clearing the decks to prepare for a new spending spree, then with money to spend we could attract a better manager. Just to point out I'm not one of those totally down on McLeish, but I do recognise he's not top level. So are we going to back him in the summer, or wait another year or two to get everything right and build up a warchest to hand to a new man?
He really has been shat on if that's the case. But if it's not and this is how we'll operate from here on out under Randy, then changing managers really won't make that much difference to us.
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Laughing Policeman - "misery" why are you so down about it? For christ sake cheer up man. As you are aware there are not many available candidates at the moment the only person I guess "available" is Mark Hughes. Someone who could possibly do a good job "if available" would have been David Moyes he has something about him doesnt take much shit etc etc. His style of play is more exciting etc etc.
And he's so successful isn't he? In fact when under Moyes, did Everton win anything?
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Laughing Policeman - "misery" why are you so down about it? For christ sake cheer up man. As you are aware there are not many available candidates at the moment the only person I guess "available" is Mark Hughes. Someone who could possibly do a good job "if available" would have been David Moyes he has something about him doesnt take much shit etc etc. His style of play is more exciting etc etc.
El Farto - thanks for allowing me to continue my "quiet booing" I didn't realise I needed permission.........
which Everton have you been watching then ?
The one that lost at home to Bolton the other night? Why would Moyes leave one club with no money to spend for one in the same boat but where the fans will be on his back in 3 months time?
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Not wanting to open a completley different debate, John, but which better manager could we attract, and also remember, you say McLeish isn't top level, fair enough, i don't disagree, but remember, neither are we any more... :(
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Moyes would be a no-brainer. Good manager.
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David Moyes to villa will NEVER happen. we need to forget that unless we get a new mega rich owner who will invest heavily in the team again.
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Why would Moyes leave one club with no money to spend for one in the same boat but where the fans will be on his back in 3 months time?
3 months? The moment one of the CBs hits a single ball off the ground or Heskey is on the pitch it'd start.
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Not wanting to open a completley different debate, John, but which better manager could we attract, and also remember, you say McLeish isn't top level, fair enough, i don't disagree, but remember, neither are we any more... :(
I think you're misunderstanding me. My point was we could get a better man if there was money to spend. Not necessarily MON levels, but say £20m plus what he generates from sales would interest quite a few. As we are now with the '1 in 1 out' policy, then I'm saying we won't attarct anyone better.
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I get ya! :)
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In reply to what Moyes has done at Everton he hasn't had the money that Villa managers have had (fact) . Going back to McLEISH he has had money and look what he has spent it on I wouldnt trust him with my kids pocket money. He has no idea on spending transfer money.
Why have we not had one full house yet? Why is there no atmosphere at the ground? Why are fans leaving much earlier than ever before? The Holte have never been as quiet as they are currently why? The answer.......McLeish.
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Personally, I think all this talk of David Moyes waiting for a bigger club is a joke (not recent talk but in the past where people have said he is waiting for a big club to manage). he is not going to ever manage Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, spurs or Arsenal. The highest he will get in the prem is Villa, Newcastle or possibly Sunderland. Ourside the prem he would possibly get the rangers or celtic jobs should they ever come knocking to him.
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Face it, until the clueless Lerner sells up and buggers off, we're stuffed. He's run out of cash and ideas, so I'd get used to this sorry state of affairs.
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Someone who could possibly do a good job "if available" would have been David Moyes he has something about him doesnt take much shit etc etc. His style of play is more exciting etc etc.
That'll be David Moyes, manager of Everton? Some of their fans are so disillusioned that they seriously think Tamworth could get a result up there tomorrow. The Everton team whose goalkeeper has more goals than most of their strikers?
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Has Moyes got a relegation history?? .....................
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Quote -"Alex McLeish has been in football management for 17 years so he is no stranger to a challenge. Having over achieved (1994) that season the next two seasons Big Eck faced two scrappy relegation battles. Having seen his Motherwell side make very little progress he resigned in 1998 and became manager of Hibernian. A surprising move some might say as they too were struggling in the league and were relegated" ............ I do believe there is a pattern forming here........what do you think?
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Just think if Everton do get knocked out of the cup by Tamworth then maybe Moyes will get the boot and then he will become available........hmmmmmm interesting thought eh fellow Villa Fans.
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Going back to McLEISH he has had money
Only because Villa have been selling their best players so that's not really an argument. Moyes has had money to spend when a Wayne Rooney or a Jolean Scott has been sold.
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Jesus man, change the fucking record.
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Just think if Everton do get knocked out of the cup by Tamworth then maybe Moyes will get the boot and then he will become available........hmmmmmm interesting thought eh fellow Villa Fans.
No.
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Hey thats not a bad idea......Jesus........is he available though??????
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Just think if Everton do get knocked out of the cup by Tamworth then maybe Moyes will get the boot and then he will become available........hmmmmmm interesting thought eh fellow Villa Fans.
Yeah I can just see the report: "... and so when Everton were knocked out by Tamworth Villa seized upon the chance to swap the manager who had relegated their arch rivals for the manager who had seen his premier league team knocked out of the cup by a non-league side." Genius!
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Hey thats not a bad idea......Jesus........is he available though??????
You're about as funny as someone else's fart in a lift.
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If Everton get knocked out by Tamworth, let's get Tamworth's gaffer in.
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Just think if Everton do get knocked out of the cup by Tamworth then maybe Moyes will get the boot and then he will become available........hmmmmmm interesting thought eh fellow Villa Fans.
Yeah I can just see the report: "... and so when Everton were knocked out by Tamworth Villa seized upon the chance to swap the manager who had relegated their arch rivals for the manager who had seen his premier league team knocked out of the cup by a non-league side." Genius!
You should be on the stage N'ot3badbia - it's not funny.................
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If Everton get knocked out by Tamworth, let's get Tamworth's gaffer in.
Blimey where are these fans coming from with these ideas........................ come on supporters put some effort into your replies ............
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I can see who the McLeish fans are ................they are getting tetchy............ a few years ago no Villa Fan would have accepted a manager from over there......................
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I can see who the McLeish fans are ................they are getting tetchy............ a few years ago no Villa Fan would have accepted a manager from over there......................
Now you're not just speaking for all Villa supporters now, you're speaking for every Villa supporter since 1874.
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come on supporters put some effort into your replies ............
And make them... as good as yours?
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If Everton get knocked out by Tamworth, let's get Tamworth's gaffer in.
Never been relegated in his managerial career and has took both Barwell and Quorn to Midland Alliance glory.
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I can see who the McLeish fans are ................they are getting tetchy............ a few years ago no Villa Fan would have accepted a manager from over there......................
I see it like this.
By hating him, wanting him sacked and wanting him to fail, I would be sharing the views and wishes of our less fortunate cousins from Small Heath. Now who in their right mind would want that?
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dazzyg has his very own video on Youtube.
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I can see who the McLeish fans are ................they are getting tetchy............ a few years ago no Villa Fan would have accepted a manager from over there......................
I think you'll find that most people on here are Villa fans i.e. people who want Villa to win regardless of their manager. As opposed to you who would quite obviously be happy for Villa to lose if it achieved your objective of McLeish leaving. If you want to play the rather pathetic 'better fan than you' game, perhaps try to factor that one in.
And of all the many things McLeish could reasonably be criticised for, it's interesting that you keep going back to the fact he managed Birmingham. Because let's be honest, that was your problem from the start wasn't it? Even if he had taken us to the top of the league, playing Barcelona-esque football, it would still have been your problem.
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I can see who the McLeish fans are ................they are getting tetchy............ a few years ago no Villa Fan would have accepted a manager from over there......................
I think you'll find that most people on here are Villa fans i.e. people who want Villa to win regardless of their manager. As opposed to you who would quite obviously be happy for Villa to lose if it achieved your objective of McLeish leaving. If you want to play the rather pathetic 'better fan than you' game, perhaps try to factor that one in.
And of all the many things McLeish could reasonably be criticised for, it's interesting that you keep going back to the fact he managed Birmingham. Because let's be honest, that was your problem from the start wasn't it? Even if he had taken us to the top of the league, playing Barcelona-esque football, it would still have been your problem.
Thank goodness the internet didn't exist back in the late 70's and 80's. Can you imagine dazzy's reaction to us signing that fucking former dirty bluenose Peter Withe? He'll never do anything for us.
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If Everton get knocked out by Tamworth, let's get Tamworth's gaffer in.
Never been relegated in his managerial career and has took both Barwell and Quorn to Midland Alliance glory.
There's a team called Quorn? Or is it Barwell and Quorn?
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If Everton get knocked out by Tamworth, let's get Tamworth's gaffer in.
Never been relegated in his managerial career and has took both Barwell and Quorn to Midland Alliance glory.
There's a team called Quorn? Or is it Barwell and Quorn?
I think your answer is in the word 'both'.
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If Everton get knocked out by Tamworth, let's get Tamworth's gaffer in.
Never been relegated in his managerial career and has took both Barwell and Quorn to Midland Alliance glory.
There's a team called Quorn? Or is it Barwell and Quorn?
Yes (http://quornfc.com/), but they don't like meaty tackles.
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If Everton get knocked out by Tamworth, let's get Tamworth's gaffer in.
Never been relegated in his managerial career and has took both Barwell and Quorn to Midland Alliance glory.
There's a team called Quorn? Or is it Barwell and Quorn?
I think your answer is in the word 'both'.
*rubs eyes*
that's a fairly valid point, Lee, I will concede that.
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If Everton get knocked out by Tamworth, let's get Tamworth's gaffer in.
Never been relegated in his managerial career and has took both Barwell and Quorn to Midland Alliance glory.
There's a team called Quorn? Or is it Barwell and Quorn?
Quorn FC and Barwell FC are both members of the Evo Stik Northern Premier League.
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If we were ever going to take a manager from Birmingham, I'm happy it was McLeish. He's always seemed to have respect for us, including after the 5-1.
"You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team."
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If we were ever going to take a manager from Birmingham, I'm happy it was McLeish. He's always seemed to have respect for us, including after the 5-1.
"You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team."
I wouldnt mind stealing Chris Houghton off them
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If we were ever going to take a manager from Birmingham, I'm happy it was McLeish. He's always seemed to have respect for us, including after the 5-1.
"You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team."
I wouldnt mind stealing Chris Houghton off them
Really? A promotion with a squad worth about twice as much as everyone else's in the league is his only achievement to date. McLeish can match that with a poorer squad and also has a cup win to his name.
I'm not saying he might not be a good manager in time but there are plenty I'd have before him.
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If we were ever going to take a manager from Birmingham, I'm happy it was McLeish. He's always seemed to have respect for us, including after the 5-1.
"You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team."
I wouldnt mind stealing Chris Houghton off them
Really? A promotion with a squad worth about twice as much as everyone else's in the league is his only achievement to date. McLeish can match that with a poorer squad and also has a cup win to his name.
I'm not saying he might not be a good manager in time but there are plenty I'd have before him.
Yes really. He wasn't doing too bad with Newcastle when they treated him like dirt and sacked him. With a half decent team with blues he is doing ok and getting some ok results. I think with better players and slightly better financial backing he would do a very good job. My mate who is a nose has been singing his praises saying that their brand of football is so much better than when Eck was there. I think he would have done a better job than eck had he been our manager as well as playing better football. Im pretty sure it wouldnt have taken him as long to work out the best formation / team to play.
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Fellow Fans..................we didn't sign Peter Withe from Blues..............please get the facts before coming on here having a pop.........knowledge is great...........when the facts are correct.....
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Please stop putting those annoying gaps between words.
It's hurting my brain.
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Rick, he was doing OK at Newcastle but Pardew is doing much, much better. He seems like a nice bloke (and of course Noses are going to make a big fuss, they're trying to wind you up), but I don't see much else to commend him.
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Not sure if mentioned, but it seems since the Swansea game there has been a 'protest' organised. The organiser has spent £100 on spray paint for his bed sheet by the sounds of it.
Here's your link (http://www.facebook.com/events/207598309330359/)
Sorry for capitals but I quote... MARCH WILL START FROM ASTON HOTEL WITTON ISLAND AT 2PM WE WILL MARCH AROUND THE GROUND FINISHING OUTSIDE THE VILLA VILLAGE. PLEASE BRING BANNERS AND FLAGS AS WE EXPECT MEDIA.
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Fellow Fans..................we didn't sign Peter Withe from Blues..............please get the facts before coming on here having a pop.........knowledge is great...........when the facts are correct.....
He was an ex Blues player and the narrow minded amongst us were up in arms because if it when he signed. We were also getting stick from the Noses for buying a donkey, journey man centre forward.
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Fellow Fans..................we didn't sign Peter Withe from Blues..............please get the facts before coming on here having a pop.........knowledge is great...........when the facts are correct.....
Nobody said we did, Dave said he was a former Bluenose. That means he played for Blues at some point before Villa.
Knowledge really is great, isn't it.
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Newcastle were playing some good stuff under Hughton, and scoring a lot of goals.
I'd have preferred him to Mcleish if i'm being honest.
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Not sure if mentioned, but it seems since the Swansea game there has been a 'protest' organised. The organiser has spent £100 on spray paint for his bed sheet by the sounds of it.
Here's your link (http://www.facebook.com/events/207598309330359/)
Sorry for capitals but I quote... MARCH WILL START FROM ASTON HOTEL WITTON ISLAND AT 2PM WE WILL MARCH AROUND THE GROUND FINISHING OUTSIDE THE VILLA VILLAGE. PLEASE BRING BANNERS AND FLAGS AS WE EXPECT MEDIA.
Bless, he had three others willing to turn up ha!!
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Rick, he was doing OK at Newcastle but Pardew is doing much, much better. He seems like a nice bloke (and of course Noses are going to make a big fuss, they're trying to wind you up), but I don't see much else to commend him.
Pardew is doing better as he signed some good players i.e. Ba and Cabaye. Pardew wasn't doing that much better when he first took over.
My mate isn't even winding me up. He's actually saying to me that Villa NEED to get rid of Eck now as it wont get any better. Most blues fans would be laughing at us and not encouraging us to get rid and to hold on to him.
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Not sure if mentioned, but it seems since the Swansea game there has been a 'protest' organised. The organiser has spent £100 on spray paint for his bed sheet by the sounds of it.
Here's your link (http://www.facebook.com/events/207598309330359/)
Sorry for capitals but I quote... MARCH WILL START FROM ASTON HOTEL WITTON ISLAND AT 2PM WE WILL MARCH AROUND THE GROUND FINISHING OUTSIDE THE VILLA VILLAGE. PLEASE BRING BANNERS AND FLAGS AS WE EXPECT MEDIA.
So we're going to be an even bigger laughing stock in the media for a days after this then. Great!
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If we were ever going to take a manager from Birmingham, I'm happy it was McLeish. He's always seemed to have respect for us, including after the 5-1.
"You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team."
That seems like pretty flawed logic to me.
We shouldn't hire a manger because he seems to like us.
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Not sure if mentioned, but it seems since the Swansea game there has been a 'protest' organised. The organiser has spent £100 on spray paint for his bed sheet by the sounds of it.
Here's your link (http://www.facebook.com/events/207598309330359/)
Sorry for capitals but I quote... MARCH WILL START FROM ASTON HOTEL WITTON ISLAND AT 2PM WE WILL MARCH AROUND THE GROUND FINISHING OUTSIDE THE VILLA VILLAGE. PLEASE BRING BANNERS AND FLAGS AS WE EXPECT MEDIA.
So we're going to be an even bigger laughing stock in the media for a days after this then. Great!
By media I think he means his mates blog.
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I did not agree with the appointment of Mcliesh when it was announced, not because of where he came from but because of the style of play he is comfortable with.
But even considering that, if we had seen a marked inprovement during the first 20 games I would be more inclined to give him more time.
However in my view we are not getting better, we are just stagnating with a good performance hear and a shocker there. Our home form is dissmal and our forward play is at times unwatchable.
I don't pile all the blame onto him, RL and co have to share the blame for our current position and RL knew what he was getting when he hired him so in essence the blame should lie with RL rather than Mcliesh who is after all only playing a style that he knows.
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Rick, he was doing OK at Newcastle but Pardew is doing much, much better. He seems like a nice bloke (and of course Noses are going to make a big fuss, they're trying to wind you up), but I don't see much else to commend him.
Pardew is doing better as he signed some good players i.e. Ba and Cabaye. Pardew wasn't doing that much better when he first took over.
My mate isn't even winding me up. He's actually saying to me that Villa NEED to get rid of Eck now as it wont get any better. Most blues fans would be laughing at us and not encouraging us to get rid and to hold on to him.
So it didn't get any better for them? They didn't get promoted, achieve their best ever PL finish and win the Carling Cup? Your mate must have the memory of a goldfish.
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Rick, he was doing OK at Newcastle but Pardew is doing much, much better. He seems like a nice bloke (and of course Noses are going to make a big fuss, they're trying to wind you up), but I don't see much else to commend him.
Pardew is doing better as he signed some good players i.e. Ba and Cabaye. Pardew wasn't doing that much better when he first took over.
My mate isn't even winding me up. He's actually saying to me that Villa NEED to get rid of Eck now as it wont get any better. Most blues fans would be laughing at us and not encouraging us to get rid and to hold on to him.
So it didn't get any better for them? They didn't get promoted, achieve their best ever PL finish and win the Carling Cup? Your mate must have the memory of a goldfish.
I've heard loads of noses telling me how bad he'll be for us, how we need to sack him etc.
It's just fucking wishful thinking on there behalf. They're scared shitless he'll do a good job.
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Rick, he was doing OK at Newcastle but Pardew is doing much, much better. He seems like a nice bloke (and of course Noses are going to make a big fuss, they're trying to wind you up), but I don't see much else to commend him.
Pardew is doing better as he signed some good players i.e. Ba and Cabaye. Pardew wasn't doing that much better when he first took over.
My mate isn't even winding me up. He's actually saying to me that Villa NEED to get rid of Eck now as it wont get any better. Most blues fans would be laughing at us and not encouraging us to get rid and to hold on to him.
So it didn't get any better for them? They didn't get promoted, achieve their best ever PL finish and win the Carling Cup? Your mate must have the memory of a goldfish.
He is comparing the style of football under mcleish. Yes he was chuffed about being promoted and winning cup who wouldn't be? but where he said Eck fucked up was after the Carling cup, he set up his team to avoid defeat: defensive 4-5-1 which clearly didnt work as they are back in the championship. The fans had more belief in the team than Eck did meaning that they wanted to have "a go" at teams rather than sitting back and lumping the ball up top. He says that under Houghton, they are getting the ball down and passing it a lot more and the football is more pleasing to the eye than the football being served up by Eck.
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Tell him it's probably a bit easier to play that when you're in the division your club is most comfortable in.
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If we were ever going to take a manager from Birmingham, I'm happy it was McLeish. He's always seemed to have respect for us, including after the 5-1.
"You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team."
That seems like pretty flawed logic to me.
We shouldn't hire a manger because he seems to like us.
I didn't say that's a reason to hire him did I? I simply said 'If we were ever going to take a manager from Birmingham', translating as I wouldn't normally be too happy with it, however in this case he has always seemed to respect us so it's more acceptable to me!
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Not sure if mentioned, but it seems since the Swansea game there has been a 'protest' organised. The organiser has spent £100 on spray paint for his bed sheet by the sounds of it.
Here's your link (http://www.facebook.com/events/207598309330359/)
Sorry for capitals but I quote... MARCH WILL START FROM ASTON HOTEL WITTON ISLAND AT 2PM WE WILL MARCH AROUND THE GROUND FINISHING OUTSIDE THE VILLA VILLAGE. PLEASE BRING BANNERS AND FLAGS AS WE EXPECT MEDIA.
So we're going to be an even bigger laughing stock in the media for a days after this then. Great!
By media I think he means his mates blog.
Brilliant.
I really hope even more now that we turn Rovers over about 6 or 7 nil, followed by a good win against Everton. They would look twice as ridiculous before, during AND after the protest that way.
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There is no point in protesting as we will end up looking stupid like the blackburn fans.
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There is no point in protesting as we will end up looking stupid like the blackburn fans.
Do they look stupid? I don't think so. Why everyone obsessed about becoming a laughing stock? I bet alot of fans of other clubs eith couldn't give a shit or sympathise that we have the manager who delivers the most depressing football in the division.
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There is no point in protesting as we will end up looking stupid like the blackburn fans.
Do they look stupid? I don't think so. Why everyone obsessed about becoming a laughing stock? I bet alot of fans of other clubs eith couldn't give a shit or sympathise that we have the manager who delivers the most depressing football in the division.
Yes, they look extremely stupid, not to mention vitriolic and massively, massively over-the-top.
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Not sure if mentioned, but it seems since the Swansea game there has been a 'protest' organised. The organiser has spent £100 on spray paint for his bed sheet by the sounds of it.
Here's your link (http://www.facebook.com/events/207598309330359/)
Sorry for capitals but I quote... MARCH WILL START FROM ASTON HOTEL WITTON ISLAND AT 2PM WE WILL MARCH AROUND THE GROUND FINISHING OUTSIDE THE VILLA VILLAGE. PLEASE BRING BANNERS AND FLAGS AS WE EXPECT MEDIA.
So we're going to be an even bigger laughing stock in the media for a days after this then. Great!
By media I think he means his mates blog.
By media I think he means the H&V sellers. ;)
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Blackburn fans have been slated all over the media for their protests against Keane. I'm not saying they shouldnt be allowed to voice their opinions but the way they have gone about it has made them look stupid and they have lost any kind of sympathy from fans from other clubs and the media.
We'd look even more foolish given that we havent been in the bottom 3 yet and it would simply come across as a bitter "Villa fans dont want ex-Blues manager". At a time when the clubs perception is pretty close to an all time low, any kind of anti-AM protests would only serve to damage our credibility even more.
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There is no point in protesting as we will end up looking stupid like the blackburn fans.
Do they look stupid? I don't think so. Why everyone obsessed about becoming a laughing stock? I bet alot of fans of other clubs eith couldn't give a shit or sympathise that we have the manager who delivers the most depressing football in the division.
Of course they now look stupid as nothing has come of it. I agree fans have every right to voice the opinion but it becomes silly when a player scores and they cheer but when the player goes and shares the celebration with the manager, the fans start booing! how pathetic is that?
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If we were ever going to take a manager from Birmingham, I'm happy it was McLeish. He's always seemed to have respect for us, including after the 5-1.
"You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team."
That seems like pretty flawed logic to me.
We shouldn't hire a manger because he seems to like us.
There was a piece on 5Live the other night about how "old school" managers always went in to shake the hand of the home team's Chairman "just in case"...
I love the Villa but I don't think I could manage them ;-)
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If we were ever going to take a manager from Birmingham, I'm happy it was McLeish. He's always seemed to have respect for us, including after the 5-1.
"You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team."
I wouldnt mind stealing Chris Houghton off them
The single benefit I can think of it Hughton became our manager is people might get his fucking name right once in a while.
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Al this talk of crap football under McLeish and nbody is blaming our coaches, McDonald and Cowans. Strange.
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Al this talk of crap football under McLeish and nbody is blaming our coaches, McDonald and Cowans. Strange.
I didn't realise cowans picked the team?
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Al this talk of crap football under McLeish and nbody is blaming our coaches, McDonald and Cowans. Strange.
Coaches who presumably carry out the manager's instructions.
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Al this talk of crap football under McLeish and nbody is blaming our coaches, McDonald and Cowans. Strange.
I didn't realise cowans picked the team?
So our reason for our crap football is team selection?
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Al this talk of crap football under McLeish and nbody is blaming our coaches, McDonald and Cowans. Strange.
I didn't realise cowans picked the team?
So our reason for our crap football is team selection?
It's been one of the many problems. Not the only one by any stretch though.
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Hoping our youngsters will see us clear of relegation?
Proud history, bright future.
Thing is Paulie, they're hardly youngsters, with the exception of Gardner. As for our 'Proud history, bright future', I recall 20 year olds Gary Shaw and Gary Williams plus 21 year old Colin Gibson helping us win the League. If youngsters can handle the pressure at the top, I don't see why they can't manage midtable. What's this relegation you speak of?
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Al this talk of crap football under McLeish and nbody is blaming our coaches, McDonald and Cowans. Strange.
I didn't realise cowans picked the team?
So our reason for our crap football is team selection?
It's been one of the many problems. Not the only one by any stretch though.
Heskey apart, I don't see it as being aproblem at all. I think AM is very close to finally finding his best XI. There's stil the issue of accomodating both Bent and Gabby but I'm sure you'd expect to see both players in the starting line up?
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Hoping our youngsters will see us clear of relegation?
Proud history, bright future.
Thing is Paulie, they're hardly youngsters, with the exception of Gardner. As for our 'Proud history, bright future', I recall 20 year olds Gary Shaw and Gary Williams plus 21 year old Colin Gibson helping us win the League. If youngsters can handle the pressure at the top, I don't see why they can't manage midtable. What's this relegation you speak of?
Relegation? It was in reply to something someone else said. "Our youngsters will stop us getting relegated".
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Al this talk of crap football under McLeish and nbody is blaming our coaches, McDonald and Cowans. Strange.
Coaches who presumably carry out the manager's instructions.
So the credit for us finally giving up the hoof it from the back to now a more cultured passing game is down to McLeis's instruction? If that's the case, good on him, I say.
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I think that Sid is absolutely not to blame for anything; on the contrary probably he has the merit for that bit of passing football that we were starting to glimpse in the last games (apart from the Swansea game).
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Absolutely, Archie. It's one, if not the only reason I think McLeish stands a chance at Villa, he has two great modern footballing men behind him in Kevin McDonald and Sid Cowans. If they can't make a Villa man out of McLeish, nobody can.
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I think the "cultured football" thing is being overstated somewhat. We're still crap to watch, with no movement off the ball whatsoever.
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I think the "cultured football" thing is being overstated somewhat. We're still crap to watch, with no movement off the ball whatsoever.
Haha. Yeah, I forgot you were at he Swansea game. Swansea apart, the recent games have shown some positive signs, we just need to build on it. I'm far less worried than I was a month ago.
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One swallow doesn't make a summer... or something.
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I think the "cultured football" thing is being overstated somewhat. We're still crap to watch, with no movement off the ball whatsoever.
Haha. Yeah, I forgot you were at he Swansea game. Swansea apart, the recent games have shown some positive signs, we just need to build on it. I'm far less worried than I was a month ago.
We played well against Arsenal and Chelsea, fair enough, but then Blues last year had some good results against the bigger teams and still got relegated. We're awful to watch. We have no movement off the ball, and we don't create any chances. Exactly the same as Blues last year, and they went down. With a much better standard of player, we're doing pretty badly, unless being 13th in the table is reason for optimism.
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Another day with McLeish at the helm just wondering if any fans on here think that if we were to get beat against Bristol Rovers who would want him sacked with immediate effect? This is a message to the fans who DO NOT WANT HIM not to the fans who think that loyal fans like myself are wrong in saying what I think and then have "an opinion" that I'm wrong.
I have read that crap about ten times and it still makes no sense. Sorry that we won today. Oh, by the way, those who wanted Martinez, have a look at the Argus.
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Another day with McLeish at the helm just wondering if any fans on here think that if we were to get beat against Bristol Rovers who would want him sacked with immediate effect? This is a message to the fans who DO NOT WANT HIM not to the fans who think that loyal fans like myself are wrong in saying what I think and then have "an opinion" that I'm wrong.
I have read that crap about ten times and it still makes no sense. Sorry that we won today. Oh, by the way, those who wanted Martinez, have a look at the Argus.
Is that still going?
And for the same reason that AMc was determined by fans to do better then at Blues (Better players), surely that applies to Martinez as well.
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Another day with McLeish at the helm just wondering if any fans on here think that if we were to get beat against Bristol Rovers who would want him sacked with immediate effect? This is a message to the fans who DO NOT WANT HIM not to the fans who think that loyal fans like myself are wrong in saying what I think and then have "an opinion" that I'm wrong.
I have read that crap about ten times and it still makes no sense. Sorry that we won today. Oh, by the way, those who wanted Martinez, have a look at the Argus.
Is that still going?
And for the same reason that AMc was determined by fans to do better then at Blues (Better players), surely that applies to Martinez as well.
Surely Wigan have better players than Swindon?
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Cheer up dazzyg. We will probably draw Stevenage away and get humiliated down beautiful Broadwater Way.
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So we beat Bristol Rovers but was it exciting? We were playing a third division team (in old money) you would not have thought we were a Premiership side on that performance. If Rovers had played for 90 mins like they did in the final 7 mins we could have had more problems.
Another point regarding McLEISH - Past managers have always had the fans "sing their name" including all of the past recent managers but how come no one dares sing for McLEISH? You all know my feelings by now on AM but I am currently looking at it from a different angle (for a few mins anyway) if people don't have the same opinion as me then why no singing for the manager? Is it because more people fel the same?
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So we beat Bristol Rovers but was it exciting? We were playing a third division team (in old money)
Tellingly, that's what's said on Soccer AM, and they show their ignorance as well.
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Another point regarding McLEISH - Past managers have always had the fans "sing their name" including all of the past recent managers but how come no one dares sing for McLEISH?
You're right - I'll start it against Everton.
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So we beat Bristol Rovers but was it exciting?
I agree. When we play the likes of Bristol Rovers, there should be at least 5 goals scored with bicycle kicks from the halfway line and we should finish the match with 6 players. Because we can.
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I think the "cultured football" thing is being overstated somewhat. We're still crap to watch, with no movement off the ball whatsoever.
Haha. Yeah, I forgot you were at he Swansea game. Swansea apart, the recent games have shown some positive signs, we just need to build on it. I'm far less worried than I was a month ago.
I can't remember us ever having movement off the ball.
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We were playing a third division team (in old money)
I must be getting old. I consider Bristol Rovers to be a Division 4 team.
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If we were ever going to take a manager from Birmingham, I'm happy it was McLeish. He's always seemed to have respect for us, including after the 5-1.
"You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team."
I wouldnt mind stealing Chris Houghton off them
The single benefit I can think of it Hughton became our manager is people might get his fucking name right once in a while.
How ironic that you made a spelling mistake, hate that!
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So we beat Bristol Rovers but was it exciting? We were playing a third division team (in old money) you would not have thought we were a Premiership side on that performance. If Rovers had played for 90 mins like they did in the final 7 mins we could have had more problems.
Everton only beat a team 96 places below them with a set piece and a penalty. It's the Cup, smaller teams raise their game, it happens.
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So we beat Bristol Rovers but was it exciting? We were playing a third division team (in old money) you would not have thought we were a Premiership side on that performance. If Rovers had played for 90 mins like they did in the final 7 mins we could have had more problems.
Everton only beat a team 96 places below them with a set piece and a penalty. It's the Cup, smaller teams raise their game, it happens.
Yeah, ask Reading, beaten by Stevenage. And apparently they were lucky to get away with that score! (Reading that is)
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So we beat Bristol Rovers but was it exciting? We were playing a third division team (in old money) you would not have thought we were a Premiership side on that performance. If Rovers had played for 90 mins like they did in the final 7 mins we could have had more problems.
Another point regarding McLEISH - Past managers have always had the fans "sing their name" including all of the past recent managers but how come no one dares sing for McLEISH? You all know my feelings by now on AM but I am currently looking at it from a different angle (for a few mins anyway) if people don't have the same opinion as me then why no singing for the manager? Is it because more people fel the same?
I don't remember many DOL songs nor come to think of it Houllier ones either. Come on Darren, you've got to do better than that.
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So we beat Bristol Rovers but was it exciting? We were playing a third division team (in old money) you would not have thought we were a Premiership side on that performance. If Rovers had played for 90 mins like they did in the final 7 mins we could have had more problems.
Another point regarding McLEISH - Past managers have always had the fans "sing their name" including all of the past recent managers but how come no one dares sing for McLEISH? You all know my feelings by now on AM but I am currently looking at it from a different angle (for a few mins anyway) if people don't have the same opinion as me then why no singing for the manager? Is it because more people fel the same?
I don't remember many DOL songs nor come to think of it Houllier ones either. Come on Darren, you've got to do better than that.
To be fair even DOL's Claret & Blue Army was a chant. The point of the Original Post was that after the win over Chelsea were we now ready to sing "Mcleish's Claret & Blue Army".
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I remember the following song...
"Theres only one king Billy that's McNeil..."
Or did I dream that one?
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I seem to remember "We don't want you any more!" for McNeil at Selhurst Park, when we played Charlton Athletic. Christ that was grim. Other than that it was 'Billy, Billy give us a wave" at Villa Park.
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I remember the following song...
"Theres only one king Billy that's McNeil..."
Or did I dream that one?
No, I remember that one, too.
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So we beat Bristol Rovers but was it exciting? We were playing a third division team (in old money) you would not have thought we were a Premiership side on that performance. If Rovers had played for 90 mins like they did in the final 7 mins we could have had more problems.
Another point regarding McLEISH - Past managers have always had the fans "sing their name" including all of the past recent managers but how come no one dares sing for McLEISH? You all know my feelings by now on AM but I am currently looking at it from a different angle (for a few mins anyway) if people don't have the same opinion as me then why no singing for the manager? Is it because more people fel the same?
I don't remember many DOL songs nor come to think of it Houllier ones either. Come on Darren, you've got to do better than that.
To be fair even DOL's Claret & Blue Army was a chant. The point of the Original Post was that after the win over Chelsea were we now ready to sing "Mcleish's Claret & Blue Army".
fuck me, even that monkey's scrotum David O'Leary had a chant. Either we were just stupid back then or people are being really unfair about McLeish.
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So we beat Bristol Rovers but was it exciting? We were playing a third division team (in old money) you would not have thought we were a Premiership side on that performance. If Rovers had played for 90 mins like they did in the final 7 mins we could have had more problems.
Another point regarding McLEISH - Past managers have always had the fans "sing their name" including all of the past recent managers but how come no one dares sing for McLEISH? You all know my feelings by now on AM but I am currently looking at it from a different angle (for a few mins anyway) if people don't have the same opinion as me then why no singing for the manager? Is it because more people fel the same?
I don't remember many DOL songs nor come to think of it Houllier ones either. Come on Darren, you've got to do better than that.
To be fair even DOL's Claret & Blue Army was a chant. The point of the Original Post was that after the win over Chelsea were we now ready to sing "Mcleish's Claret & Blue Army".
fuck me, even that monkey's scrotum David O'Leary had a chant. Either we were just stupid back then or people are being really unfair about McLeish.
To be fair for the second half of his second season, we were excellent under O'Leary. I can't see a similar improvement happening under McLeish.
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So we beat Bristol Rovers but was it exciting? We were playing a third division team (in old money) you would not have thought we were a Premiership side on that performance. If Rovers had played for 90 mins like they did in the final 7 mins we could have had more problems.
Another point regarding McLEISH - Past managers have always had the fans "sing their name" including all of the past recent managers but how come no one dares sing for McLEISH? You all know my feelings by now on AM but I am currently looking at it from a different angle (for a few mins anyway) if people don't have the same opinion as me then why no singing for the manager? Is it because more people fel the same?
I don't remember many DOL songs nor come to think of it Houllier ones either. Come on Darren, you've got to do better than that.
To be fair even DOL's Claret & Blue Army was a chant. The point of the Original Post was that after the win over Chelsea were we now ready to sing "Mcleish's Claret & Blue Army".
fuck me, even that monkey's scrotum David O'Leary had a chant. Either we were just stupid back then or people are being really unfair about McLeish.
To be fair for the second half of his second season, we were excellent under O'Leary. I can't see a similar improvement happening under McLeish.
Wasn't it his first season when we looked decent for a few months?
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I remember a rendition of "big fat ron's claret n blue army" that went on during the whole of half time during an away game at the Baseball Ground
I just can't get motivated to shout for McL yet
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I remember a rendition of "big fat ron's claret n blue army" that went on during the whole of half time during an away game at the Baseball Ground
I just can't get motivated to shout for McL yet
Pah! Just for halftime
Everton Away 89/90 - whole of half time and all the second half
Liverpool FA Cup away 91/92 - whole of half time and quite a bit of the second half
There are tales of 2 blokes doing this for the whole game including half time at some long forgotten away game in the early 90's but i wasn't there so it may just be an "old wives tale".
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I remember a rendition of "big fat ron's claret n blue army" that went on during the whole of half time during an away game at the Baseball Ground
I just can't get motivated to shout for McL yet
Pah! Just for halftime
Everton Away 89/90 - whole of half time and all the second half
Liverpool FA Cup away 91/92 - whole of half time and quite a bit of the second half
There are tales of 2 blokes doing this for the whole game including half time at some long forgotten away game in the early 90's but i wasn't there so it may just be an "old wives tale".
Half-time and through much of the second half. Derby 1990. it was Joszef Venglos' then.
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If I am not mistaken (and please correct me if I am wrong) I doubt it as I am never wrong but the fans did attempt to sing Houllier's name a few times last season it was just that he didn't actually understand what we were singing (McCallister had to nudge him ) If I'm not mistaken. I'm sure the RT Hon Sir will correct me or maybe admit I was actually correct in saying that the fans DID sing for Houllier........
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So we beat Bristol Rovers but was it exciting? We were playing a third division team (in old money) you would not have thought we were a Premiership side on that performance. If Rovers had played for 90 mins like they did in the final 7 mins we could have had more problems.
Surely you must have heard a few songs? My point being (once again) that AM has not had one song chanted yet and never will.
Another point regarding McLEISH - Past managers have always had the fans "sing their name" including all of the past recent managers but how come no one dares sing for McLEISH? You all know my feelings by now on AM but I am currently looking at it from a different angle (for a few mins anyway) if people don't have the same opinion as me then why no singing for the manager? Is it because more people fel the same?
I don't remember many DOL songs nor come to think of it Houllier ones either. Come on Darren, you've got to do better than that.
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Will you be at the demo on Saturday dazzy?
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First I have heard of it but well done to the people who have arranged it.........
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First I have heard of it but well done to the people who have arranged it.........
and you don't think that that might have a negative affect on the team, when we need points and everyone pulling in the same direction? Yes, well done indeed to those of you who are dying to see him fail.
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First I have heard of it but well done to the people who have arranged it.........
and you don't think that that might have a negative affect on the team, when we need points and everyone pulling in the same direction? Yes, well done indeed to those of you who are dying to see him fail.
Maybe dazzy would prefer to see Villa relegated than to have them stay up with Mcleish still in charge?
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First I have heard of it but well done to the people who have arranged it.........
and you don't think that that might have a negative affect on the team, when we need points and everyone pulling in the same direction? Yes, well done indeed to those of you who are dying to see him fail.
Maybe dazzy would prefer to see Villa relegated than to have them stay up with Mcleish still in charge?
Or perhaps he sees that we are conceding to many silly goals without scoring many ourselves which may ultimately contribute to us being relegated this season? Definately problems with Ecks tactics/methods/training as its getting beyond a joke now.
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I remember a rendition of "big fat ron's claret n blue army" that went on during the whole of half time during an away game at the Baseball Ground
I just can't get motivated to shout for McL yet
Pah! Just for halftime
Everton Away 89/90 - whole of half time and all the second half
Liverpool FA Cup away 91/92 - whole of half time and quite a bit of the second half
There are tales of 2 blokes doing this for the whole game including half time at some long forgotten away game in the early 90's but i wasn't there so it may just be an "old wives tale".
Half-time and through much of the second half. Derby 1990. it was Joszef Venglos' then.
Remeber it well.
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First I have heard of it but well done to the people who have arranged it.........
and you don't think that that might have a negative affect on the team, when we need points and everyone pulling in the same direction? Yes, well done indeed to those of you who are dying to see him fail.
Maybe dazzy would prefer to see Villa relegated than to have them stay up with Mcleish still in charge?
Or perhaps he sees that we are conceding to many silly goals without scoring many ourselves which may ultimately contribute to us being relegated this season? Definately problems with Ecks tactics/methods/training as its getting beyond a joke now.
You agree with dazzy that we should be demonstrating and chanting for Mcleish's sacking now then?
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First I have heard of it but well done to the people who have arranged it.........
and you don't think that that might have a negative affect on the team, when we need points and everyone pulling in the same direction? Yes, well done indeed to those of you who are dying to see him fail.
Maybe dazzy would prefer to see Villa relegated than to have them stay up with Mcleish still in charge?
Or perhaps he sees that we are conceding to many silly goals without scoring many ourselves which may ultimately contribute to us being relegated this season? Definately problems with Ecks tactics/methods/training as its getting beyond a joke now.
You agree with dazzy that we should be demonstrating and chanting for Mcleish's sacking now then?
Putting words into my mouth. I'd love to see him succeed. But as things stand he isnt and won't. If Dazzy wants a protest then it's up to him. I'm just equally fed up of everyone painting a rosie picture of Eck as much as those who hate him. There rarely seems any balance and everyone is more interested in I silting and ganging up on each other. The site just doesn't feel as fun and as friendly as it used to.
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I'm just equally fed up of everyone painting a rosie picture of Eck as much as those who hate him.
I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the amount of posts (never mind posters) which are painting a rosy picture of McLeish!
There are people saying give him more time, others saying he is doing okay given the constraints put on him by the board and some saying that they have seen small improvements in the past few performances (Swansea excepted). But there is no 'praising of Eck to the skies' to counterbalance the rabid hatred spewing from the keyboards of DJ Jazzy G and others. None at all.
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Not sure if mentioned, but it seems since the Swansea game there has been a 'protest' organised. The organiser has spent £100 on spray paint for his bed sheet by the sounds of it.
But we didn't beat Rovers by 6 or 7 did we!!!! The pressure is now on AM ...............
LONG LIVE THE VILLA - VILLA TILL I DIE...............
Here's your link (http://www.facebook.com/events/207598309330359/)
Sorry for capitals but I quote... MARCH WILL START FROM ASTON HOTEL WITTON ISLAND AT 2PM WE WILL MARCH AROUND THE GROUND FINISHING OUTSIDE THE VILLA VILLAGE. PLEASE BRING BANNERS AND FLAGS AS WE EXPECT MEDIA.
So we're going to be an even bigger laughing stock in the media for a days after this then. Great!
By media I think he means his mates blog.
Brilliant.
I really hope even more now that we turn Rovers over about 6 or 7 nil, followed by a good win against Everton. They would look twice as ridiculous before, during AND after the protest that way.
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Is the 2 o'clock at Witton Island protest connected with the 2.45 on Trinity Road one?
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The word is that the Trinity Rd. people are the splitters who can't agree on the proper spelling of McLeish.
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The one good thing that might become of this 'pot noodle protest' is that for every positive there has to be a negative. Likewise, for every negative there must be a positive. That might mean the true supporters of the club actually get behind the manager and we hear the first rendition of AM's claret and blue army.
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It's pretty rare I'm embarrassed to be a Villa fan but I fear that this Saturday I might be...
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The one good thing that might become of this 'pot noodle protest' is that for every positive there has to be a negative. Likewise, for every negative there must be a positive. That might mean the true supporters of the club actually get behind the manager and we hear the first rendition of AM's claret and blue army.
somebody has to be brave enough to start it. The game will dictate the mood, as much as it would be helpful if the mood helped dictate the game.
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The one good thing that might become of this 'pot noodle protest' is that for every positive there has to be a negative. Likewise, for every negative there must be a positive. That might mean the true supporters of the club actually get behind the manager and we hear the first rendition of AM's claret and blue army.
somebody has to be brave enough to start it. The game will dictate the mood, as much as it would be helpful if the mood helped dictate the game.
I'm sure that my fellow inhabitants of L1 would be happy to oblige, but getting it to spread to the whole of the Holte has been a problem this season.
Altogether now...........AM's Claret And Blue Army, AM's Claret And Blue Army, AM's Claret And Blue Army............
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Is the 2 o'clock at Witton Island protest connected with the 2.45 on Trinity Road one?
I suggest they hold it in the city centre between 3pm and 5pm. The presence of any of these clowns in the ground cannot be beneficial to the team.
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Sacking managers every year is definitely not the way forward. I'm not a particular fan of McL, and I'm as frustrated as he next man about our results and style of play. However, the club needs stability at the moment, and if we have to endure a couple more seasons of this then that may be the price to pay for the boom bust of the MON years. If we are relegated however, i will be the first to shout for McL to go. There's no excuse for relegation with the players and set up we have.
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Hmm. Does this ring a bell. From Wikki
Quote:
Murray appointed ex-Aberdeen defender Alex McLeish as the clubs eleventh manager on 11 December 2001, joining McLeish was assistant Andy Watson.[11] Murray's choice of manager was met with a lukewarm reaction amongst many Rangers supporters. Many fans viewed it as symptomatic of the downsizing of the club's ambitions, while others saw in McLeish a manager whose mixed fortunes at Hibernian and Motherwell left him ill-equipped to cope with the demands of managing a high-profile club like Rangers.
And:
The following season, McLeish's initial period as manager proved difficult to sustain. The club's perilous financial position in the wake of the profligacy of the Advocaat era, meant a period of relative austerity. The wage bill had to be slashed as the club embarked on an extensive cost-cutting programme in an attempt to stabilise a mushrooming and unsustainable level of debt. Confronted with a squad of well-paid but ageing players assembled by Advocaat, McLeish was compelled to rebuild without the luxury of the generous transfer kitty enjoyed by some of his predecessors. McLeish was to lose, from his treble winning squad, the inspirational if mistake-prone defender Lorenzo Amoruso, Scottish international winger Neil McCann and, most damagingly of all, club captain Barry Ferguson. In their place McLeish was required to rebuild with the selective use of Bosman free transfers and loan siginings.
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Hmm. Does this ring a bell. From Wikki
Quote:
Murray appointed ex-Aberdeen defender Alex McLeish as the clubs eleventh manager on 11 December 2001, joining McLeish was assistant Andy Watson.[11] Murray's choice of manager was met with a lukewarm reaction amongst many Rangers supporters. Many fans viewed it as symptomatic of the downsizing of the club's ambitions, while others saw in McLeish a manager whose mixed fortunes at Hibernian and Motherwell left him ill-equipped to cope with the demands of managing a high-profile club like Rangers.
And:
The following season, McLeish's initial period as manager proved difficult to sustain. The club's perilous financial position in the wake of the profligacy of the Advocaat era, meant a period of relative austerity. The wage bill had to be slashed as the club embarked on an extensive cost-cutting programme in an attempt to stabilise a mushrooming and unsustainable level of debt. Confronted with a squad of well-paid but ageing players assembled by Advocaat, McLeish was compelled to rebuild without the luxury of the generous transfer kitty enjoyed by some of his predecessors. McLeish was to lose, from his treble winning squad, the inspirational if mistake-prone defender Lorenzo Amoruso, Scottish international winger Neil McCann and, most damagingly of all, club captain Barry Ferguson. In their place McLeish was required to rebuild with the selective use of Bosman free transfers and loan siginings.
i wonder how many mirrors Mcliesh broke when he was a child ?
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Hmm. Does this ring a bell. From Wikki
Quote:
Murray appointed ex-Aberdeen defender Alex McLeish as the clubs eleventh manager on 11 December 2001, joining McLeish was assistant Andy Watson.[11] Murray's choice of manager was met with a lukewarm reaction amongst many Rangers supporters. Many fans viewed it as symptomatic of the downsizing of the club's ambitions, while others saw in McLeish a manager whose mixed fortunes at Hibernian and Motherwell left him ill-equipped to cope with the demands of managing a high-profile club like Rangers.
And:
The following season, McLeish's initial period as manager proved difficult to sustain. The club's perilous financial position in the wake of the profligacy of the Advocaat era, meant a period of relative austerity. The wage bill had to be slashed as the club embarked on an extensive cost-cutting programme in an attempt to stabilise a mushrooming and unsustainable level of debt. Confronted with a squad of well-paid but ageing players assembled by Advocaat, McLeish was compelled to rebuild without the luxury of the generous transfer kitty enjoyed by some of his predecessors. McLeish was to lose, from his treble winning squad, the inspirational if mistake-prone defender Lorenzo Amoruso, Scottish international winger Neil McCann and, most damagingly of all, club captain Barry Ferguson. In their place McLeish was required to rebuild with the selective use of Bosman free transfers and loan siginings.
That's probably why he got the job - he's got plenty of experience of working with a shoe-string which is exactly what Randy was looking for.
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Adam- it crossed my mind that this was an important part of his CV.
Lerner: "Alex, you have to reduce the wage bill and sell to buy..."
Alex: " no problem, been there, done that, here is my t shirt".
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Y'know - change a few names, a very few words and it is a mirror image of us and him atm. Uncanny.
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Adam- it crossed my mind that this was an important part of his CV.
Lerner: "Alex, you have to reduce the wage bill and sell to buy..."
Alex: " no problem, been there, done that, here is my t shirt".
the last mine of this needs an extra quote, it's should read:
Alex: " no problem, been there, done that, finished 3rd in a 2 horse race, here is my t shirt".
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It was a terribly unambitious appointment but most of us wished him well with the poisoned chalice he was given by Randy and hope one day we can progress again with or without him. The saddest part of everything for me is the effect on attendances.
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The saddest part of everything for me is the effect on attendances.
Exactly, and they're only going to get worse. Could you imagine what someone who doesn't really go to the football much but decided to go today must be thinking now? I bet it's put them off for life!
Season tickets are going to be screwed too. Everyone who sits round by me has either said they might not get a season ticket next year or they definitely won't get one next year. We'll be getting attendances in the mid-20,000s for league games next year if AML is still in charge. I think we'll be sub-30,000 for the QPR game given today's attendance.
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I didn't really want Hughes but it's going to be pretty shit around here if he rescues QPR and MON does well at Sunderland.
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QPR will be our lowest attendance since the last season of O'dreary I think, midweek, limited away support etc.
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The saddest part of everything for me is the effect on attendances.
Exactly, and they're only going to get worse.
Season tickets are going to be screwed too.
Agree VP with a sparse and unsupportive crowd is a very uninspiring place, it could easily start a negative spiral, the confidence slides, the football gets worse and the atmosphere and attendance follows suit. I dont see much changing
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How about rendition of Holte End's Barmy Army tomorrow, to get you in mood.....
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Adam- it crossed my mind that this was an important part of his CV.
Lerner: "Alex, you have to reduce the wage bill and sell to buy..."
Alex: " no problem, been there, done that, here is my t shirt".
the last mine of this needs an extra quote, it's should read:
Alex: " no problem, been there, done that, finished 3rd in a 2 horse race, here is my t shirt".
I like his t-shirt for finishing second with Motherwell, very snazzy.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today until that is we totally threw away a 2-0 lead. What type of bloke is he? On Radio WM last night he said"WE PLAYED LIKE A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS DURING THE FIRST HALF" yes Alex and we played like a team from the Blue Square Premier in the second half. Get a grip man the team are playing crap and no one can anything different. Let's not hide behind the bleeding smoke screen any more.
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Why shouldn't you ask a Villa player to take your dog for a walk? They can't hold onto a lead boom boom
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I like it.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today until that is we totally threw away a 2-0 lead. What type of bloke is he? On Radio WM last night he said"WE PLAYED LIKE A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS DURING THE FIRST HALF" yes Alex and we played like a team from the Blue Square Premier in the second half. Get a grip man the team are playing crap and no one can anything different. Let's not hide behind the bleeding smoke screen any more.
Did you punch the air when the third went in and exclaim that'll show the appologists on H&V. I bet you had a spring in your step this morning as you went to long on your computer.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today until that is we totally threw away a 2-0 lead. What type of bloke is he? On Radio WM last night he said"WE PLAYED LIKE A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS DURING THE FIRST HALF" yes Alex and we played like a team from the Blue Square Premier in the second half. Get a grip man the team are playing crap and no one can anything different. Let's not hide behind the bleeding smoke screen any more.
Where, or what, were you before Alex McLeish came to the club?
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
Well, there we go. At least one positive to Villa losing. It made dazzyg happy. Because he's such a great Villa supporter that he actively wants them to lose.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today until that is we totally threw away a 2-0 lead. What type of bloke is he? On Radio WM last night he said"WE PLAYED LIKE A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS DURING THE FIRST HALF" yes Alex and we played like a team from the Blue Square Premier in the second half. Get a grip man the team are playing crap and no one can anything different. Let's not hide behind the bleeding smoke screen any more.
Where, or what, were you before Alex McLeish came to the club?
In reply to Dave McLark Five - Sorry who are you by the way? I was a happy Villa fan quite pleased with what we had understanding that money was tight an we were never going to win the Premiership. But then that man with ginger hair was rumoured to be leading the race to be manager and I though "no this is just a bad nightmare" and then "oh shit " I wasn't dreaming it really happened and the nightmare has bleeding continued since August.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
did you compliment McLeish at HT when we led 2-0? Did you criticise Dunne and Bent for giving away two terrible penalties, or have you come to the conclusion that McLeish through some form of telepathy, made them make schoolboy errors despite being regular international footballers? It is clear to literally everyone on here that you simply cannot contain yourself each time we lose. Some fan you are.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
Well, there we go. At least one positive to Villa losing. It made dazzyg happy. Because he's such a great Villa supporter that he actively wants them to lose.
Ah the Sheffield Villain has poked his head up again ! What's a villa fan doing in bleeding Sheffield you already have two teams up there is two not enough?
Anyway back to the story......what makes you think I want my beloved team to lose you muppet? I love my team and alwats want us to win otherwise why I would be paying over £600 quid for a season ticket (are you all thick up north or what) where on here did i ever say I wanted us to lose? My point as it always is AM is not the man for us - SIMPLES !
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
did you compliment McLeish at HT when we led 2-0? Did you criticise Dunne and Bent for giving away two terrible penalties, or have you come to the conclusion that McLeish through some form of telepathy, made them make schoolboy errors despite being regular international footballers? It is clear to literally everyone on here that you simply cannot contain yourself each time we lose. Some fan you are.
Wasn't AM a defender? Or am I dreaming this info? who picks the team ? Do the players want to play for AM? I think not.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
did you compliment McLeish at HT when we led 2-0? Did you criticise Dunne and Bent for giving away two terrible penalties, or have you come to the conclusion that McLeish through some form of telepathy, made them make schoolboy errors despite being regular international footballers? It is clear to literally everyone on here that you simply cannot contain yourself each time we lose. Some fan you are.
Which bleeding planet have you been on for the past six months ! Me complimenting Am -hello !!!
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
did you compliment McLeish at HT when we led 2-0? Did you criticise Dunne and Bent for giving away two terrible penalties, or have you come to the conclusion that McLeish through some form of telepathy, made them make schoolboy errors despite being regular international footballers? It is clear to literally everyone on here that you simply cannot contain yourself each time we lose. Some fan you are.
Well maybe if we won and played well then I could not have a dig could I ?but lets just take a look at the table are we safe? No we are not are we playing entertaining football? no were not.
Please try and come back with something that makes sense rather than just waving that sorry old banner of " we love alex" WE DONT ! Just because you have an afinity for the ginger one doesnt mean we all have to. Loving the manager does not mean that you love the club anymore than a fan who doesn't want him in charge. Do you understand? Have you got problems understanding these simple facts?
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
did you compliment McLeish at HT when we led 2-0? Did you criticise Dunne and Bent for giving away two terrible penalties, or have you come to the conclusion that McLeish through some form of telepathy, made them make schoolboy errors despite being regular international footballers? It is clear to literally everyone on here that you simply cannot contain yourself each time we lose. Some fan you are.
Well maybe if we won and played well then I could not have a dig could I ?but lets just take a look at the table are we safe? No we are not
Christ, Dazzyg If your expecting to be safe by January then Manchesters that way mate
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dazzyg, do you have an inability to keep your posts in one place or are you such a space cadet that your mind is that fragmented?
Nobody said you had to love the bloke. There's a comfortable middle ground of giving him a chance which you have refused to do. When enough people tell you you're talking utter bollocks, it means in layman's terms it means "you're talking bollocks". That doesn't just go for the threads that you have polluted but life in general. Your joy is coming on here and beating your chest whenever we lose. Like it's some fucking badge of honour that in some perverse way, you consider yourself validated. Instead, you just make yourself out to be sadder and more pathetic than you were the previous time you posted.
You're entire platform is based on the fact that he managed Birmingham, and you have completely ignored the fact that he's had a number of issues to deal with at the club stemming from MON and Houllier leaving, and the club deciding to tighten the purse strings. Nobody, to my knowledge has given him a free pass. Even those like myself have been critical at times, but generally accept that there is a lot of work to be done and he has a tough road ahead of him. You on the other hand, have given him no chance at all. You've also dismissed the challenges that we have in several kids coming through trying to make their way at the highest level of the English game in trying circumstances. That in many respects they are being forced to play because we don't at this time have significant other options.
McLeish is going be here for a while, so better get used to it. The club isn't going to fire him however much foot stamping you do, or tantrums you throw, or protests you plan. It's going to be difficult enough for all of us to see this process through, so for those of you who completely hate the man, you're going to have tough it out. You're much better off getting to a place mentally that you can accept that he's OUR manager, of OUR club.
People like you make me want to support Alex McLeish all the more.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
did you compliment McLeish at HT when we led 2-0? Did you criticise Dunne and Bent for giving away two terrible penalties, or have you come to the conclusion that McLeish through some form of telepathy, made them make schoolboy errors despite being regular international footballers? It is clear to literally everyone on here that you simply cannot contain yourself each time we lose. Some fan you are.
Well maybe if we won and played well then I could not have a dig could I ?but lets just take a look at the table are we safe? No we are not are we playing entertaining football? no were not.
Please try and come back with something that makes sense rather than just waving that sorry old banner of " we love alex" WE DONT ! Just because you have an afinity for the ginger one doesnt mean we all have to. Loving the manager does not mean that you love the club anymore than a fan who doesn't want him in charge. Do you understand? Have you got problems understanding these simple facts?
I think you are getting overexcited Darren. Have a lie down in a darkened room.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today until that is we totally threw away a 2-0 lead. What type of bloke is he? On Radio WM last night he said"WE PLAYED LIKE A TEAM OF INTERNATIONALS DURING THE FIRST HALF" yes Alex and we played like a team from the Blue Square Premier in the second half. Get a grip man the team are playing crap and no one can anything different. Let's not hide behind the bleeding smoke screen any more.
Where, or what, were you before Alex McLeish came to the club?
In reply to Dave McLark Five - Sorry who are you by the way? I was a happy Villa fan
You have never been happy on this site.
Here is one of your earlier posts that is almost normal, certainly not as demented as you are now:
For those fans going to Stamford Bridge on Sunday (me being one of them) we need to start letting Houllier know that we are not happy it's ok to applaud the players but even they don't give a s**t they
can't be bothered to even come over to us and say thanks for the loyal support.
On second thoughts, it wasn't really normal at all.
As for me. I have had plenty of angry moments on here and hated O'Neill after a while. I got plenty of stick for it. O'Neill went. I calmed down eventually.
We are now into a new regime. I give the new bloke a chance, like I did with Houllier.
You, on the other hand, do nothing of the sort. You are a rabble rouser and give nobody a chance. Fortunately, the rabble aren't listening to you, whoever they are.
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I dont know much about this Dazzyg bloke but it would be interesting to hear which manager he would like and if he would have a negative attitude towards him if he was doing the exact same job as Eck at the moment?
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Dazzyg sounds like a bit of a prick to me.
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dazzyg, ignore all these horrible nasty people picking on you. When I log onto H&V I look forward to your insightful comments on the direction our club is taking. If it wasn't for people like you coming on here and telling it like it is we would all be thinking that AM is a decent man and doing a difficult job under trying circumstances. Thankfully there are people like you around that can speak the truth, and that it's the fact that he once managed SHA added to which he is Scottish that makes the man totally unsuited to be manager of Aston Villa Football Club.
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dazzyg, ignore all these horrible nasty people picking on you. When I log onto H&V I look forward to your insightful comments on the direction our club is taking. If it wasn't for people like you coming on here and telling it like it is we would all be thinking that AM is a decent man and doing a difficult job under trying circumstances. Thankfully there are people like you around that can speak the truth, and that it's the fact that he once managed SHA added to which he is Scottish that makes the man totally unsuited to be manager of Aston Villa Football Club.
*like*
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What's a villa fan doing in bleeding Sheffield you already have two teams up there is two not enough?
He might come from Birmingham? Or perhaps has family from Birmingham?
(are you all thick up north or what)...
...SIMPLES
Irony.
I know I'm on the wrong thread, but anyone who explains something and then adds 'simples' at the end ought to be put into room 101. Either that or killed on the spot. It is the expression of a moron. And yes, dazzy, the shoe does indeed fit.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
Well, there we go. At least one positive to Villa losing. It made dazzyg happy. Because he's such a great Villa supporter that he actively wants them to lose.
Ah the Sheffield Villain has poked his head up again ! What's a villa fan doing in bleeding Sheffield you already have two teams up there is two not enough?
Anyway back to the story......what makes you think I want my beloved team to lose you muppet? I love my team and alwats want us to win otherwise why I would be paying over £600 quid for a season ticket (are you all thick up north or what) where on here did i ever say I wanted us to lose? My point as it always is AM is not the man for us - SIMPLES !
Sorry for repeating myself, although it is something that you monotonously do, but can you enlighten me in which part of the ground you paid over £600 for your season ticket please?
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Sorry for repeating myself, although it is something that you monotonously do, but can you enlighten me in which part of the ground you paid over £600 for your season ticket please?
It's almost like he's making it up. Never mind TRS-T, I think we've got a bluenose troll right here.
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In fairness to TRS-T, he's never gone around abusing other villa fans the same way that twattyg has.
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In fairness to TRS-T, he's never gone around abusing other villa fans the same way that twattyg has.
He is a friendly troll of the harmless kind.
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In fairness to TRS-T, he's never gone around abusing other villa fans the same way that twattyg has.
Precisely. At the risk of sounding like a 'pwopa nawty' bell-end, you should never turn on your own.
Unless they're like dazzyg, obv :D
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Please remember that this is H&V, where even idiots are allowed an opinion.
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Please remember that this is H&V, where even idiots are allowed an opinion.
Of course, but he has been fairly abusive towards people on here. Look at his reply to SheffieldVillain on the previous page for instance.
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My post refers back to a previous unrelated incident from a while ago and was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.
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My post refers back to a previous unrelated incident from a while ago and was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.
I wasn't 'in' on the in joke :(
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
Well, there we go. At least one positive to Villa losing. It made dazzyg happy. Because he's such a great Villa supporter that he actively wants them to lose.
Ah the Sheffield Villain has poked his head up again ! What's a villa fan doing in bleeding Sheffield you already have two teams up there is two not enough?
Anyway back to the story......what makes you think I want my beloved team to lose you muppet? I love my team and alwats want us to win otherwise why I would be paying over £600 quid for a season ticket (are you all thick up north or what) where on here did i ever say I wanted us to lose? My point as it always is AM is not the man for us - SIMPLES !
What I was doing in Sheffield when I chose my username was working and living there. I'm actually not anymore. It doesn't really matter though does it? As people do tend to move from city to city. Or perhaps that's another element of your 'perfect Villa fan' routine shit.
As for when did you say that you wanted Villa to lose, your delight every time we lose is very obvious.
Finally, you calling someone thick is like Emile Heskey telling someone they have a shit goalscoring record.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
Well, there we go. At least one positive to Villa losing. It made dazzyg happy. Because he's such a great Villa supporter that he actively wants them to lose.
Ah the Sheffield Villain has poked his head up again ! What's a villa fan doing in bleeding Sheffield you already have two teams up there is two not enough?
Anyway back to the story......what makes you think I want my beloved team to lose you muppet? I love my team and alwats want us to win otherwise why I would be paying over £600 quid for a season ticket (are you all thick up north or what) where on here did i ever say I wanted us to lose? My point as it always is AM is not the man for us - SIMPLES !
So people can't move house? Or have other reasons for supporting their chosen team? My Dad was born and bred in Wolverhampton. He fell in love with Aston Villa through work and relocation. He brought me up as a Villa fan and one of the proudest days of my life was sitting next to him in the Holte End the other season. He is Villa through and through. So am I. I have had a ST for 16 years or so. I was born and bred in Great Barr. I now live and work in Walsall. Am I a lesser fan than you because of it?
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We should have gone for Chris Hughton!
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We should have gone for Chris Hughton!
This is probably the most galling thing about it, we've taken the useless plank from them and they replaced him with a better manager who is playing decent football, it's pretty much the nightmare scenario.
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In answer to the thread question - no and never.
And edited just to say nothing to do with him being a Blues manager.
More the fact that he is a poor manager that will NEVER take us forward.
My god it is simple.
It takes a very good manager to win or challenge for anything in the PL.
MON had his ceiling with £130m.
To think that AM can do better with his record is simply laughable.
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We should have gone for Chris Hughton!
This is probably the most galling thing about it, we've taken the useless plank from them and they replaced him with a better manager who is playing decent football, it's pretty much the nightmare scenario.
And the annoying thing is if it goes tits up with McLeish they'd never go for a Blues manager a second time despite Hughton being decent.
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This is really starting to get on my nerves now. Why do people expect Mcleish to have built his side in so little time and when we've got no money to spend? I think 2-3 years is the time to judge him when he's had the time to get his players in place. Some football fans are so impatient these days, it's like people want success now or sack the bloke and no club ever does well having that strategy. Hughton's doing a good job but look how many players he's bought in since he's been there, it's virtually his team. The same cannot be said of the villa team.
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We should have gone for Chris Hughton!
This is probably the most galling thing about it, we've taken the useless plank from them and they replaced him with a better manager who is playing decent football, it's pretty much the nightmare scenario.
You can't say that as it's apparently a myth!
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It takes a very good manager to win or challenge for anything in the PL.
MON had his ceiling with £130m.
To think that AM can do better with his record is simply laughable.
How much did Mcleish spend winning the League Cup then?
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This is really starting to get on my nerves now. Why do people expect Mcleish to have built his side in so little time and when we've got no money to spend? I think 2-3 years is the time to judge him when he's had the time to get his players in place. Some football fans are so impatient these days, it's like people want success now or sack the bloke and no club ever does well having that strategy. Hughton's doing a good job but look how many players he's bought in since he's been there, it's virtually his team. The same cannot be said of the villa team.
Yes, we could give him 2-3 years, but we could also be in lot worse situation in that time too - it depends in your confidnece in the bloke to get it right (his past record in England would say not) - look at Martinez, he has had time at Wigan, and where are they? Also, for all those managers who have had plenty of time to get it rght, there have been ones who have hit the ground running with little budget- See Norwich, Swansea.
Problem is a lot of Vila fans don't have the confidence in him full stop, time allowance aside. Why should they? 2 relegations at one club in past few years, un-attractive and in-affective football. IMO as much as I like the bloke, he's not the right man....but Alex, prove me wrong!
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Also, for all those managers who have had plenty of time to get it rght, there have been ones who have hit the ground running with little budget- See Norwich, Swansea.
To be fair teams like these are prone to fall away quite dramatically in their 2nd season in the top league.
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
Well, there we go. At least one positive to Villa losing. It made dazzyg happy. Because he's such a great Villa supporter that he actively wants them to lose.
Ah the Sheffield Villain has poked his head up again ! What's a villa fan doing in bleeding Sheffield you already have two teams up there is two not enough?
Anyway back to the story......what makes you think I want my beloved team to lose you muppet? I love my team and alwats want us to win otherwise why I would be paying over £600 quid for a season ticket (are you all thick up north or what) where on here did i ever say I wanted us to lose? My point as it always is AM is not the man for us - SIMPLES !
Sorry for repeating myself, although it is something that you monotonously do, but can you enlighten me in which part of the ground you paid over £600 for your season ticket please?
Well if you have a season ticket in the expensive bit of any stand then the cost is £580 (corrected for the morons)
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Oh dear ... the rot continues I see. I bet all the AM fan club were getting ready to give me a griling on here today
Yes dazzyg,when the second goal went in and I was jumping round going mental with 5199 other Villa fans,you were the first person I thought of ::)
I knew it ! you were preparing your replies to my fantastic comments on this site. But then what happened ? Yes Am f**ked up again and we lost (again) I pity you having any faith in him.
Well, there we go. At least one positive to Villa losing. It made dazzyg happy. Because he's such a great Villa supporter that he actively wants them to lose.
Ah the Sheffield Villain has poked his head up again ! What's a villa fan doing in bleeding Sheffield you already have two teams up there is two not enough?
Anyway back to the story......what makes you think I want my beloved team to lose you muppet? I love my team and alwats want us to win otherwise why I would be paying over £600 quid for a season ticket (are you all thick up north or what) where on here did i ever say I wanted us to lose? My point as it always is AM is not the man for us - SIMPLES !
What I was doing in Sheffield when I chose my username was working and living there. I'm actually not anymore. It doesn't really matter though does it? As people do tend to move from city to city. Or perhaps that's another element of your 'perfect Villa fan' routine shit.
As for when did you say that you wanted Villa to lose, your delight every time we lose is very obvious.
Finally, you calling someone thick is like Emile Heskey telling someone they have a shit goalscoring record.
I have obviously hit a nerve with Sheffield man ! I have never once said I want Villa to lose where did you get that shit fom as you like to say?
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dazzyg, do you have an inability to keep your posts in one place or are you such a space cadet that your mind is that fragmented?
Nobody said you had to love the bloke. There's a comfortable middle ground of giving him a chance which you have refused to do. When enough people tell you you're talking utter bollocks, it means in layman's terms it means "you're talking bollocks". That doesn't just go for the threads that you have polluted but life in general. Your joy is coming on here and beating your chest whenever we lose. Like it's some fucking badge of honour that in some perverse way, you consider yourself validated. Instead, you just make yourself out to be sadder and more pathetic than you were the previous time you posted.
You're entire platform is based on the fact that he managed Birmingham, and you have completely ignored the fact that he's had a number of issues to deal with at the club stemming from MON and Houllier leaving, and the club deciding to tighten the purse strings. Nobody, to my knowledge has given him a free pass. Even those like myself have been critical at times, but generally accept that there is a lot of work to be done and he has a tough road ahead of him. You on the other hand, have given him no chance at all. You've also dismissed the challenges that we have in several kids coming through trying to make their way at the highest level of the English game in trying circumstances. That in many respects they are being forced to play because we don't at this time have significant other options.
McLeish is going be here for a while, so better get used to it. The club isn't going to fire him however much foot stamping you do, or tantrums you throw, or protests you plan. It's going to be difficult enough for all of us to see this process through, so for those of you who completely hate the man, you're going to have tough it out. You're much better off getting to a place mentally that you can accept that he's OUR manager, of OUR club.
People like you make me want to support Alex McLeish all the more.
As I have previously mentioned the fact that AM is ex small heath is NOW NOT A PROBLEM DO YOU UNDERSTAND OR WHAT? My dislike of him is as the manager not where he has come from. All the morons who think he is doing an ok job I feel sorry for you. Is the point of the forum not to have an "opinion"
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Well if you have a season ticket in the expensive bit of any stand then the cost is £610 - why?
The most expensive season ticket for the 2011-2012 season was £580.
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As I have previously mentioned the fact that AM is ex small heath is NOW NOT A PROBLEM
WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU.
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Well if you have a season ticket in the expensive bit of any stand then the cost is £610 - why?
The most expensive season ticket for the 2011-2012 season was £580.
Apologies I made a mistake it was taken by DD do you want me to make a bleeding apology in the Evening Mail ! Is that all you have time to do check bleeding season ticket prices. Why are you interested anyway where do you sit then on the roof?
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As I have previously mentioned the fact that AM is ex small heath is NOW NOT A PROBLEM
WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU.
Am I really bothered !
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I have obviously hit a nerve with Sheffield man ! I have never once said I want Villa to lose where did you get that shit fom as you like to say?
Yes, I'm devastated that you have outed me as someone who has lived in a city other than Birmingham. The shame, the pain. How will I ever recover from publicly humilated in such a way by a semi-literate troll who buys imaginary season tickets at imaginary prices?
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As I have previously mentioned the fact that AM is ex small heath is NOW NOT A PROBLEM
WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU.
Am I really bothered !
Of course you are, why else would you keep arguing the point?
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Does anyone on here really think that all fans believe in AM? I'm amazed that because I dont agree with him then people have this bizarre issue with me having a different opinion. I have been going to Villa Park for 35 years am I not allowed to say what I see?
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I have obviously hit a nerve with Sheffield man ! I have never once said I want Villa to lose where did you get that shit fom as you like to say?
Yes, I'm devastated that you have outed me as someone who has lived in a city other than Birmingham. The shame, the pain. How will I ever recover from publicly humilated in such a way by a semi-literate troll who buys imaginary season tickets at imaginary prices?
So how much is your season ticket then? Have yo even got one? Or come to think of it ever had one? cos most northern people are out of work aren't they? Or do the benefits cover it?
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All the morons who think he is doing an ok job I feel sorry for you. Is the point of the forum not to have an "opinion"
So, anybody who has an opinion that AM is doing an okay job is a moron and if they thought and posted opinions such as yours they wouldn't be?
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As I have previously mentioned the fact that AM is ex small heath is NOW NOT A PROBLEM
WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU.
Am I really bothered !
You really have that curious mix that a lot of loud mouthed idiots seem to possess. You consider other people's views and opinion as worthless, while at the same time promoting your own half-baked ideas as the last word on the subject. An insufferable oaf, in other words.
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I have obviously hit a nerve with Sheffield man ! I have never once said I want Villa to lose where did you get that shit fom as you like to say?
Yes, I'm devastated that you have outed me as someone who has lived in a city other than Birmingham. The shame, the pain. How will I ever recover from publicly humilated in such a way by a semi-literate troll who buys imaginary season tickets at imaginary prices?
So how much is your season ticket then? Have yo even got one? Or come to think of it ever had one? cos most northern people are out of work aren't they? Or do the benefits cover it?
No, at present I don't have a season ticket at the moment as I live in Poland. It's a little far to travel every week.
Yes, in the past, when I lived in the Midlands, I had a season ticket.
No, most northern people aren't out of work although I'm actually from the West Midlands so it's irrelevant to me anyway.
Does that help?
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Does anyone on here really think that all fans believe in AM? I'm amazed that because I dont agree with him then people have this bizarre issue with me having a different opinion. I have been going to Villa Park for 35 years am I not allowed to say what I see?
Who the fuck has ever said that all fans believe in AM? Surprise surprise, making things up as you go.
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I have obviously hit a nerve with Sheffield man ! I have never once said I want Villa to lose where did you get that shit fom as you like to say?
Yes, I'm devastated that you have outed me as someone who has lived in a city other than Birmingham. The shame, the pain. How will I ever recover from publicly humilated in such a way by a semi-literate troll who buys imaginary season tickets at imaginary prices?
So how much is your season ticket then? Have yo even got one? Or come to think of it ever had one? cos most northern people are out of work aren't they? Or do the benefits cover it?
Dear me, just when I think you can't possibly make more of a twat of yourself you pull that out of the bag.
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As I have previously mentioned the fact that AM is ex small heath is NOW NOT A PROBLEM
WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU.
This is what you said in one of your earlier posts:
'Let's face it we hate them as much as they hate us how can we Villa fans sing for the manager after being in charge of Small Heath?'
So when you say 'NOW NOT A PROBLEM', do you mean that it once was, but isn't now or do you not have a fucking clue what you are on about.?
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Well if you have a season ticket in the expensive bit of any stand then the cost is £610 - why?
The most expensive season ticket for the 2011-2012 season was £580.
Apologies I made a mistake it was taken by DD do you want me to make a bleeding apology in the Evening Mail ! Is that all you have time to do check bleeding season ticket prices. Why are you interested anyway where do you sit then on the roof?
Dazzyg, there really is no need to be so rude. And please stop calling people morons.
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I have obviously hit a nerve with Sheffield man ! I have never once said I want Villa to lose where did you get that shit fom as you like to say?
Yes, I'm devastated that you have outed me as someone who has lived in a city other than Birmingham. The shame, the pain. How will I ever recover from publicly humilated in such a way by a semi-literate troll who buys imaginary season tickets at imaginary prices?
So how much is your season ticket then? Have yo even got one? Or come to think of it ever had one? cos most northern people are out of work aren't they? Or do the benefits cover it?
dear me. Carry on like that and you'll get banned. I'd calm down a bit. Just a friendly warning
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I have obviously hit a nerve with Sheffield man ! I have never once said I want Villa to lose where did you get that shit fom as you like to say?
Yes, I'm devastated that you have outed me as someone who has lived in a city other than Birmingham. The shame, the pain. How will I ever recover from publicly humilated in such a way by a semi-literate troll who buys imaginary season tickets at imaginary prices?
So how much is your season ticket then? Have yo even got one? Or come to think of it ever had one? cos most northern people are out of work aren't they? Or do the benefits cover it?
dear me. Carry on like that and you'll get banned. I'd calm down a bit. Just a friendly warning
Please don't ban him. It makes this time of the morning a treat.
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I have obviously hit a nerve with Sheffield man ! I have never once said I want Villa to lose where did you get that shit fom as you like to say?
Yes, I'm devastated that you have outed me as someone who has lived in a city other than Birmingham. The shame, the pain. How will I ever recover from publicly humilated in such a way by a semi-literate troll who buys imaginary season tickets at imaginary prices?
So how much is your season ticket then? Have yo even got one? Or come to think of it ever had one? cos most northern people are out of work aren't they? Or do the benefits cover it?
Thats very low.
For the record I have never lived in Birmingham [although thats where my dads family are from] and my season ticket coverage has been patchy due to family and military commitments.
But even when I have not had a ST I did not class myself as any less of a fan of the club.
I am not a fan of McL and the the football the team has produced has at times been very dire, but the situation we are in is not all down to him. The Owner, the board and the players [and previous manager] ALL have to take there share of the blame.
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Sshhh Greg. He's quite entertaining! Anyway you haven't paid a fictitious price for an imaginary season ticket so you're obviously Alex McCleish's love child and should be out of work and sat on the roof.
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Please don't ban him. It makes this time of the morning a treat.
Agreed. But it's almost too easy. Almost.
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I have obviously hit a nerve with Sheffield man ! I have never once said I want Villa to lose where did you get that shit fom as you like to say?
Yes, I'm devastated that you have outed me as someone who has lived in a city other than Birmingham. The shame, the pain. How will I ever recover from publicly humilated in such a way by a semi-literate troll who buys imaginary season tickets at imaginary prices?
So how much is your season ticket then? Have yo even got one? Or come to think of it ever had one? cos most northern people are out of work aren't they? Or do the benefits cover it?
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I have obviously hit a nerve with Sheffield man ! I have never once said I want Villa to lose where did you get that shit fom as you like to say?
Yes, I'm devastated that you have outed me as someone who has lived in a city other than Birmingham. The shame, the pain. How will I ever recover from publicly humilated in such a way by a semi-literate troll who buys imaginary season tickets at imaginary prices?
So how much is your season ticket then? Have yo even got one? Or come to think of it ever had one? cos most northern people are out of work aren't they? Or do the benefits cover it?
Dazzy, you're edging closer and closer to getting banned, and this sort of puerile nonsense is why.
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Well if you have a season ticket in the expensive bit of any stand then the cost is £610 - why?
The most expensive season ticket for the 2011-2012 season was £580.
Why are you interested anyway where do you sit then on the roof?
In that case, stop fucking telling us how much you pay for your ST ticket. No one gives a fuck, i could'nt care less if you pay £600 or £6,000, i really could'nt give a toss.
Now be a good boy and run along to your facebook page with your 14,000 freinds, you know the ones that could'nt be arsed to turn up to the last protest, you know the one you turned up half an hour late for, you know the one that did'nt happen.
What a fucking idiot.
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The most expensive season ticket for the 2011-2012 season was £580.
I don't think that's correct. I'm sure mine was 620 (upper Trinity, middle)
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The most expensive season ticket for the 2011-2012 season was £580.
I don't think that's correct. I'm sure mine was 620 (upper Trinity, middle)
Think SOTC may be right - I thought top whack was £580, rising to around £620 if you paid by 10 instalments
Edit: 2011/12 ST Prices (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/SeasonTicketsPricesPayments/) then select 10 months on the Calculator page
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I see Simon Grayson's had the ol' Union Jack at Leedzzzz.
Just a thought, like.
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I see Simon Grayson's had the ol' Union Jack at Leedzzzz.
Just a thought, like.
Wasn't he another Next Big Managerial thing?
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Chris Powell would be a very good appointment for Leeds.
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Chris Powell would be a very good appointment for Leeds.
Chris Hughton would be a very funny appointment for Leeds.
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I don't think Grayson's reputation has been damaged by his time at Leeds. He did well to get them promoted and well last season, and then his chairman's ambitions were completely over the top compared to the investment at the club.
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I see Simon Grayson's had the ol' Union Jack at Leedzzzz.
Just a thought, like.
The game has gone mad. The guy has done a solid job at Leeds and they repay him with that. I usually want Leeds to do well but I really hope they don't make the playoffs after this.
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Well if you have a season ticket in the expensive bit of any stand then the cost is £610 - why?
The most expensive season ticket for the 2011-2012 season was £580.
Apologies I made a mistake it was taken by DD do you want me to make a bleeding apology in the Evening Mail ! Is that all you have time to do check bleeding season ticket prices. Why are you interested anyway where do you sit then on the roof?
Don't get arsy with me sonny. I was simply pointing out the most expensive season ticket price because on several occasions you have mentioned yours was more than £600 and I knew that wasn't correct. I sit in the Lower Trinity. I paid £520.
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The most expensive season ticket for the 2011-2012 season was £580.
I don't think that's correct. I'm sure mine was 620 (upper Trinity, middle)
Think SOTC may be right - I thought top whack was £580, rising to around £620 if you paid by 10 instalments
Edit: 2011/12 ST Prices (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/SeasonTicketsPricesPayments/) then select 10 months on the Calculator page
Ah that's why, I'm paying by the 10 mth thing, which is why i had 620 in my head.
Although, I guess this could also mean dizzyg or whatever he's called being correct (in a roundabout way)
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I see Simon Grayson's had the ol' Union Jack at Leedzzzz.
Just a thought, like.
Wasn't he another Next Big Managerial thing?
I dunno, was he?
To be fair, old beardface Bates has been selling the best players and getting loans in, he is the problem up there. I think under the circumstances Larry did a decent job.
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I see Simon Grayson's had the ol' Union Jack at Leedzzzz.
Just a thought, like.
Wasn't he another Next Big Managerial thing?
I dunno, was he?
To be fair, old beardface Bates has been selling the best players and getting loans in, he is the problem up there. I think under the circumstances Larry did a decent job.
Neil Warnock was the favourite with William Hill when I looked earlier. Now that'd be interesting, Warnock and Bates working together.
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Aye. Colin Wanker and a right wanker working together, in perfect harmony.
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Did I hear correctly at the end of the game? McLeish out chants?
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Anyone else see the "Get the Feck out of Villa Park" banner in the Upper Holte just after Cisse scored?
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No. Where were you sitting?
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No. Where were you sitting?
Lower Holte.
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That banner has been bought along to the last four or five games waiting for an airing.
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No. Where were you sitting?
Lower Holte.
Which entrance did you have to go through?
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The one with the sheep dip?
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Did I hear correctly at the end of the game? McLeish out chants?
Never heard anything in the middle trinity.
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Did I hear correctly at the end of the game? McLeish out chants?
No (I sit in the Upper Holter). The crowd showed their appreciation for a very, very good second half performance.
If anything, I think tonights atmosphere in the 2nd half was the best this season (at home).
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Anyone else see the "Get the Feck out of Villa Park" banner in the Upper Holte just after Cisse scored?
Now that's just what you want to see when you go an early goal down. Twat.
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What time is dazzyg's broadcast scheduled for?
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What time is dazzyg's broadcast scheduled for?
Apologies for not reporting back directly after the game but some of us do have families etc to look after we cannot all spend all our time on the forum. Anyway back to last night a great performance by the lads a hard earned point against QPR. Someone earlier said that there was calls for AM to be sacked this I did not hear but whoever thinks that the atmosphere was great etc is talking b**locks. Did the people on here who went to the game not hear the "boos" at the end? Having spoken with several fellow fans last night I mentioned this forum about how a few fans think that I am wrong in not wanting AM basically they laughed at the morons on here as there are many more fans who do not want him . My question today is why do some fans honestly believe he is the right man?
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Anyone else see the "Get the Feck out of Villa Park" banner in the Upper Holte just after Cisse scored?
Now that's just what you want to see when you go an early goal down. Twat.
Dave Woodhall must be blinkered not once on here does he ever admit that there is unrest amongst the fans. Does he sit in a little bubble unable to hear the chants? I admit everyone does not think he is bad but come on man get real the fans do have opinions.
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What time is dazzyg's broadcast scheduled for?
So where does DMF sit then at the ground? Did he hear any chants what are his opinions of the feeling of the fans.
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I don't believe there are too many who think he's the right man for the job, but he's here to stay in difficult circumstances and they are giving him their support whilst he's here. I respect that even if I'm personally more of the opinion that we are more in need of someone who could have a galvanising effect on the club and more importantly the fans.
I do agree on one point though, you see a lot more of the 'give him a go' fans on here than you seem to come across at the match.
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I don't believe there are too many who think he's the right man for the job, but he's here to stay in difficult circumstances and they are giving him their support whilst he's here. I respect that even if I'm personally more of the opinion that we are more in need of someone who could have a galvanising effect on the club and more importantly the fans.
I do agree on one point though, you see a lot more of the 'give him a go' fans on here than you seem to come across at the match.
I agree but its alot easier to be of that opinion when you are sitting infornt of a computer-its alot of time and money to go to a game and watch your team get battered. I was in the north lower with some work colleages and one made a comment on how he had never been to a ground with such a lack of atmosphere (in the first half). Again, my apathy for the current situation stopped me really caring (in the sense that i laughed rather than went mad at the second goal). I didnt think we would get back into the game but it still didnt mean that much for some reason (maybe because im so used to seeing us f~~~ it up at the end anyway). AM may not be the right man for the job but I honestly dont think anything will change him being the manager. I dont even think he would get the chop if he took us down. So im in the give him a go camp too
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I don't believe there are too many who think he's the right man for the job, but he's here to stay in difficult circumstances and they are giving him their support whilst he's here. I respect that even if I'm personally more of the opinion that we are more in need of someone who could have a galvanising effect on the club and more importantly the fans.
I do agree on one point though, you see a lot more of the 'give him a go' fans on here than you seem to come across at the match.
Well done Peter Withe on your comments nice to hear of someone with a brain on here. For some reason certain fans on here (you know who you are) are stuck in their own "little world" it is quite comical that they can see no further than the end of their nose. It wouldn't be so bad but they really think that I am the only one who doesn't like AM I guess it shows what they know - NOTHING.
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I don't believe there are too many who think he's the right man for the job, but he's here to stay in difficult circumstances and they are giving him their support whilst he's here. I respect that even if I'm personally more of the opinion that we are more in need of someone who could have a galvanising effect on the club and more importantly the fans.
Mattjpa - Well said this is what I have been going on about for months now some "fans" and I use that term loosely dont actually go to the game so they just jump on board with other "fans" opinions weak as they may be.
I do agree on one point though, you see a lot more of the 'give him a go' fans on here than you seem to come across at the match.
I agree but its alot easier to be of that opinion when you are sitting infornt of a computer-its alot of time and money to go to a game and watch your team get battered. I was in the north lower with some work colleages and one made a comment on how he had never been to a ground with such a lack of atmosphere (in the first half). Again, my apathy for the current situation stopped me really caring (in the sense that i laughed rather than went mad at the second goal). I didnt think we would get back into the game but it still didnt mean that much for some reason (maybe because im so used to seeing us f~~~ it up at the end anyway). AM may not be the right man for the job but I honestly dont think anything will change him being the manager. I dont even think he would get the chop if he took us down. So im in the give him a go camp too
Well said mattjpa - some "fans" on here obviously do not even go to the match they just hide behind the "moderators" I am not saying that "moderators" don't go just before they start throwing their toys out of the pram.
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Well if you have a season ticket in the expensive bit of any stand then the cost is £610 - why?
The most expensive season ticket for the 2011-2012 season was £580.
Apologies I made a mistake it was taken by DD do you want me to make a bleeding apology in the Evening Mail ! Is that all you have time to do check bleeding season ticket prices. Why are you interested anyway where do you sit then on the roof?
Don't get arsy with me sonny. I was simply pointing out the most expensive season ticket price because on several occasions you have mentioned yours was more than £600 and I knew that wasn't correct. I sit in the Lower Trinity. I paid £520.
Arsey ! Me ! Never! Did it take long to try and "prove " I was wrong? It was a mistake ok?
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Look Dazzy, i don't think you'll find anyone on here who thought "ooh thats a top appointment" when AM was announced. BUT, unless AM was advising the last two managers who to buy, how to play them, and also found time to convince RL to stop spending money, then its very hard if your logical to put the blame at AM's door. For that reason most of us are giving him a chance however we feel about his ability or style of football. That doesn't make us morons, just people with a reasonable thought process
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How often is this tosser going to get away with calling people morons and questioning their support of the club?
Twattyg, please just fuck off. Nobody cares what you have to say, and even more importantly, most of what you say is completely made up rubbish.
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Arsey ! Me ! Never! Did it take long to try and "prove " I was wrong? It was a mistake ok?
It took about 90 seconds. Apology accepted.
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I don't believe there are too many who think he's the right man for the job, but he's here to stay in difficult circumstances and they are giving him their support whilst he's here. I respect that even if I'm personally more of the opinion that we are more in need of someone who could have a galvanising effect on the club and more importantly the fans.
Mattjpa - Well said this is what I have been going on about for months now some "fans" and I use that term loosely dont actually go to the game so they just jump on board with other "fans" opinions weak as they may be.
I do agree on one point though, you see a lot more of the 'give him a go' fans on here than you seem to come across at the match.
I agree but its alot easier to be of that opinion when you are sitting infornt of a computer-its alot of time and money to go to a game and watch your team get battered. I was in the north lower with some work colleages and one made a comment on how he had never been to a ground with such a lack of atmosphere (in the first half). Again, my apathy for the current situation stopped me really caring (in the sense that i laughed rather than went mad at the second goal). I didnt think we would get back into the game but it still didnt mean that much for some reason (maybe because im so used to seeing us f~~~ it up at the end anyway). AM may not be the right man for the job but I honestly dont think anything will change him being the manager. I dont even think he would get the chop if he took us down. So im in the give him a go camp too
Well said mattjpa - some "fans" on here obviously do not even go to the match they just hide behind the "moderators" I am not saying that "moderators" don't go just before they start throwing their toys out of the pram.
dazzy. After 29 years of supporting Villa, numerous of those years spent with a season ticket and the others going to games when work commitments allow, if I want to have an opinion then I will. Even if I had never been to a game, I wouldn't let some obnoxiously rude semi-literate with major personality issues whose support for the club involves turning up late for protests that don't happen, constantly banging on about their imaginary friends and actively hoping for the team to lose so the manager is sacked stop me having an opinion. OK?
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Supreme "trolling" Darren, but I "think" it should be put to bed now.
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Has it not yet occurred to you dazzyg, that we are in a higher position that this time last season. (12th compared to 14th).
We have played less games (23 compared to 25).
We have the same amount of points (28).
We have a better goal difference (-3 compared to -15).
We have lost less games (7 compared to 11).
We are further from the Relegation Zone (10 points compared to 4).
We have scored the same amount of goals (28).
McLeish has changed Stephen Ireland into a Footballer, yet still has to work without players who were pretty good for us last season. He has had to replace Friedel, Young (A + L), Downing & Reo-Coker on a budget that no man should have to work with.
It absolutely must be his former employers that you are so against. We do only tend to play for 60/70 minutes a game but I'm perfectly happy to put my trust in AMc to make sure they start playing for the 90 and it's looking better and better as the players click more and more.
There are obviously some negatives, everyone can see that, but I still can't see a reason why you refuse to give the man a chance. Your 7 man protests aren't going to get rid of him, so just get behind the team, maybe watch a little closer and see that we are playing very good Football at times.
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What time is dazzyg's broadcast scheduled for?
So where does DMF sit then at the ground? Did he hear any chants what are his opinions of the feeling of the fans.
Good morning dazzyg. I bet you enjoyed the first half last night. Where I sit is of no concern to you. The reason I asked where you sit was just to establish why you spent so much for your seat. If you paid in instalments it may well have cost what you said. Subject closed.
I did not hear any chants against McLeish but obviously heard the booing after Warnock's own goal and at half time. The booing was quite muted at the end as it had been a good half.
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Has it not yet occurred to you dazzyg, that we are in a higher position that this time last season. (12th compared to 14th).
We have played less games (23 compared to 25).
We have the same amount of points (28).
We have a better goal difference (-3 compared to -15).
We have lost less games (7 compared to 11).
We are further from the Relegation Zone (10 points compared to 4).
We have scored the same amount of goals (28).
McLeish has changed Stephen Ireland into a Footballer, yet still has to work without players who were pretty good for us last season. He has had to replace Friedel, Young (A + L), Downing & Reo-Coker on a budget that no man should have to work with.
It absolutely must be his former employers that you are so against. We do only tend to play for 60/70 minutes a game but I'm perfectly happy to put my trust in AMc to make sure they start playing for the 90 and it's looking better and better as the players click more and more.
There are obviously some negatives, everyone can see that, but I still can't see a reason why you refuse to give the man a chance. Your 7 man protests aren't going to get rid of him, so just get behind the team, maybe watch a little closer and see that we are playing very good Football at times.
I wouldn't bother bringing reason and logic into this argument to be honest. He's a lost cause, a mouth-breather of the highest (lowest?) order.
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Well hopefully the last few games can put to bed the myth that McLeish plays boring football. Harum-scarum football maybe, boring football no.
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I don't believe there are too many who think he's the right man for the job, but he's here to stay in difficult circumstances and they are giving him their support whilst he's here. I respect that even if I'm personally more of the opinion that we are more in need of someone who could have a galvanising effect on the club and more importantly the fans.
Mattjpa - Well said this is what I have been going on about for months now some "fans" and I use that term loosely dont actually go to the game so they just jump on board with other "fans" opinions weak as they may be.
I do agree on one point though, you see a lot more of the 'give him a go' fans on here than you seem to come across at the match.
I agree but its alot easier to be of that opinion when you are sitting infornt of a computer-its alot of time and money to go to a game and watch your team get battered. I was in the north lower with some work colleages and one made a comment on how he had never been to a ground with such a lack of atmosphere (in the first half). Again, my apathy for the current situation stopped me really caring (in the sense that i laughed rather than went mad at the second goal). I didnt think we would get back into the game but it still didnt mean that much for some reason (maybe because im so used to seeing us f~~~ it up at the end anyway). AM may not be the right man for the job but I honestly dont think anything will change him being the manager. I dont even think he would get the chop if he took us down. So im in the give him a go camp too
Well said mattjpa - some "fans" on here obviously do not even go to the match they just hide behind the "moderators" I am not saying that "moderators" don't go just before they start throwing their toys out of the pram.
And which particular 'fans' on here are you referring to?
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much better football since ireland and keane have been in the team and clark complements petrov as did herd , however alex must make changes defensively and then hopefully results will come.
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I don't believe there are too many who think he's the right man for the job, but he's here to stay in difficult circumstances and they are giving him their support whilst he's here. I respect that even if I'm personally more of the opinion that we are more in need of someone who could have a galvanising effect on the club and more importantly the fans.
I do agree on one point though, you see a lot more of the 'give him a go' fans on here than you seem to come across at the match.
I'd disagree with that. I speak to more supporters on matchday than most and the majority are of the give him a chance opinion. And dazzy, if you want to bitch about everyone who disagrees with you, this is not the place. Patience is starting to wear thin.
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The 2nd half was the best performance we have shown this season. No hoofing and plenty of accurate passing. Keane was instrumental in that so credit must go to AM for getting him in.
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I don't believe there are too many who think he's the right man for the job, but he's here to stay in difficult circumstances and they are giving him their support whilst he's here. I respect that even if I'm personally more of the opinion that we are more in need of someone who could have a galvanising effect on the club and more importantly the fans.
I do agree on one point though, you see a lot more of the 'give him a go' fans on here than you seem to come across at the match.
I'd disagree with that. I speak to more supporters on matchday than most and the majority are of the give him a chance opinion. And dazzy, if you want to bitch about everyone who disagrees with you, this is not the place. Patience is starting to wear thin.
mcleish has his faults as did mon and ged but he has not been backed by randy in the way the others were- i think given the money to spend he would compare favourably to both.
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Has it not yet occurred to you dazzyg, that we are in a higher position that this time last season. (12th compared to 14th).
We have played less games (23 compared to 25).
We have the same amount of points (28).
We have a better goal difference (-3 compared to -15).
We have lost less games (7 compared to 11).
We are further from the Relegation Zone (10 points compared to 4).
We have scored the same amount of goals (28).
McLeish has changed Stephen Ireland into a Footballer, yet still has to work without players who were pretty good for us last season. He has had to replace Friedel, Young (A + L), Downing & Reo-Coker on a budget that no man should have to work with.
It absolutely must be his former employers that you are so against. We do only tend to play for 60/70 minutes a game but I'm perfectly happy to put my trust in AMc to make sure they start playing for the 90 and it's looking better and better as the players click more and more.
There are obviously some negatives, everyone can see that, but I still can't see a reason why you refuse to give the man a chance. Your 7 man protests aren't going to get rid of him, so just get behind the team, maybe watch a little closer and see that we are playing very good Football at times.
I was thinking about something similar last night, with my conclusion being that for every negative there is a positive:-
We're crap at the back, but looking pretty useful going forward.
AM has signed a poor player in Hutton, but a good one in Given.
He's got the best out of Ireland, but Warnock has gone to shit.
Add it all up and it equals 'mid table' to me. And when looking at the financial picture and where the club is trying to get to, then that's hardly surprising.
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Don't think I'm on my own to suggest Alex Mcleish has started to turn things round? in spells we are playing the best attacking football since early Mon, ok so defensively we need some surgery and a couple of new faces in the Summer but on the whole we're improving or is it just Robbie Keane magic papering over the cracks?
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He's got the best out of Ireland, but Warnock has gone to shit.
Warnock had gone to shit a long time before AM arrived, to be fair.
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He's got the best out of Ireland, but Warnock has gone to shit.
Warnock had gone to shit a long time before AM arrived, to be fair.
I never remember him being this bad.
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Robbie Keane is papering over the cracks, but maybe they're cracks a fully fit and in form Ireland can fill.
McLeish has introduced Gardner & (a better than I thoguht he was) Herd into the team. Obviously, I think Gardner was always going to get a run, regardless of who the manager was, he's highly rated in our setup.
Given was a good signing, quite obvious, but nonetheless we still needed a GK.
Hutton and Warnock are my major concerns, they're just not good enough. And the main worry is there is no-one presently to push them for their place in the team. Ok, Herd could play right bak and Clark left back, but they're effective Centre Midfield players, therefore we'd probably be better keeping round pegs in round holes.... Maybe Nathan Baker could do a job at left back now he's back from Millwall?....
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Don't think I'm on my own to suggest Alex Mcleish has started to turn things round? in spells we are playing the best attacking football since early Mon, ok so defensively we need some surgery and a couple of new faces in the Summer but on the whole we're improving or is it just Robbie Keane magic papering over the cracks?
Keane has undoubtedly helped, but the Chelsea and Bolton wins were before him arrived, as was the excellent performance at home to Arsenal.
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Not sure Everton at home was 'excellent', but I agree we have been playing well (albeit intermittently) for a while before Keane arrived.
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He's got the best out of Ireland, but Warnock has gone to shit.
Warnock had gone to shit a long time before AM arrived, to be fair.
Whatever happened to the Warnock from a couple of seasons back? The guy that used to defend for his life, block everything, link the attacks, bomb forward. He needs to dig deep, stop trying too hard and play without fear. If the crowd can assist by not booing, I'm sure we'll get old Warnock back. Alternatively I hear Alan Wright has kept himself fit and thinks he retired too early.
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He's got the best out of Ireland, but Warnock has gone to shit.
Warnock had gone to shit a long time before AM arrived, to be fair.
I never remember him being this bad.
He wasn't far off it. I seem to recall him giving away a number of stupid penalties.
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Not sure Everton at home was 'excellent', but I agree we have been playing well (albeit intermittently) for a while before Keane arrived.
Not sure what happened there as I meant to type Arsenal!!
Fixed my original post now!
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Swansea and Liverpool were shocking.
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Swansea and Liverpool were shocking, absolutely. But I’ve seen runs at VP over the years when weeks and months were shocking rather than individual games.
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Swansea and Liverpool were shocking.
Of course they were, but the point was not about every game being great, just whether some of the better play we've seen recently is all to do with Keane or not.
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I don't know if we're improving or not, to be honest. I thought we'd turned the corner a couple of times since Christmas, but we're still shipping ludicrous goals (two v QPR, three v Arsenal, two v Wolves, one v Everton, 1 (and but for a missed pen 2) v Bristol Rovers, two v Swansea so far in 2012 and way too many.
The facts remain that we've beaten one top-half team all season (Chelsea). Our other victories have been against the current bottom four, and Norwich.
All we can do is stick it out for the rest of the season, see what transpires over the summer.
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I don't believe there are too many who think he's the right man for the job, but he's here to stay in difficult circumstances and they are giving him their support whilst he's here. I respect that even if I'm personally more of the opinion that we are more in need of someone who could have a galvanising effect on the club and more importantly the fans.
Mattjpa - Well said this is what I have been going on about for months now some "fans" and I use that term loosely dont actually go to the game so they just jump on board with other "fans" opinions weak as they may be.
I do agree on one point though, you see a lot more of the 'give him a go' fans on here than you seem to come across at the match.
I agree but its alot easier to be of that opinion when you are sitting infornt of a computer-its alot of time and money to go to a game and watch your team get battered. I was in the north lower with some work colleages and one made a comment on how he had never been to a ground with such a lack of atmosphere (in the first half). Again, my apathy for the current situation stopped me really caring (in the sense that i laughed rather than went mad at the second goal). I didnt think we would get back into the game but it still didnt mean that much for some reason (maybe because im so used to seeing us f~~~ it up at the end anyway). AM may not be the right man for the job but I honestly dont think anything will change him being the manager. I dont even think he would get the chop if he took us down. So im in the give him a go camp too
Well said mattjpa - some "fans" on here obviously do not even go to the match they just hide behind the "moderators" I am not saying that "moderators" don't go just before they start throwing their toys out of the pram.
What the fuck are you blabbing on about?
Who hides behind the moderators?
You've managed to do one thing - pretty much the entire site is united in believing you to be a tedious, trolling twat.
You might want to change your act pretty sharpish, because it's getting very boring indeed.
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Every time we look like we're hitting a very bad spell we seem to pull a result and/or performance out the bag which seems to keep McLeish's head above the water with a few fans.
Same the other way around though, as we tend to follow up this good result/performance with a shocker.
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How often is this tosser going to get away with calling people morons and questioning their support of the club?
Twattyg, please just fuck off. Nobody cares what you have to say, and even more importantly, most of what you say is completely made up rubbish.
I like his new tagline though mate.... perhaps he is just in denial?
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How often is this tosser going to get away with calling people morons and questioning their support of the club?
Twattyg, please just fuck off. Nobody cares what you have to say, and even more importantly, most of what you say is completely made up rubbish.
I like his new tagline though mate.... perhaps he is just in denial?
Classic schoolyard crush symptoms. He's doing the internet equivalent of pulling AM's pigtails and calling him smelly.
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How often is this tosser going to get away with calling people morons and questioning their support of the club?
Twattyg, please just fuck off. Nobody cares what you have to say, and even more importantly, most of what you say is completely made up rubbish.
I like his new tagline though mate.... perhaps he is just in denial?
Classic schoolyard crush symptoms. He's doing the internet equivalent of pulling AM's pigtails and calling him smelly.
Whilst systematically writing love letters and leaving them in AM'a desk, professing his undying and eternal love to him.
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It's starting to make sense now. How could we have been so blind? It's not that Dazzyg is a fuckwit by nature, it's just that he's been fuckwitted by love. Bless.
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Every time we look like we're hitting a very bad spell we seem to pull a result and/or performance out the bag which seems to keep McLeish's head above the water with a few fans.
Same the other way around though, as we tend to follow up this good result/performance with a shocker.
I can just about live with inconsistency, for now. I'd rather have inconsistency than constant crap.
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The inconsistency isn't hurting us as much as the crap defending is.
All teams, be it us, Wigan or Man City, will have better and worse games throughout a season. However, the ones that end up higher up the table are those who can still get the basics right and pick something up when playing poorly. We can't, as during good, bad or indifferent form, we still gift goals to teams.
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To really throw the cat amongst the pidgeons............................is there a general consensus that AM might, (whisper it), be quite good for us?
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We can all tell by the pictures that it must be doing his head in watching this defending. Not only is he is giving players every chance to succeed, but it's making his summer transfer policy a little easier in what he might have to concentrate on. We have the makings of a very attacking side. Granted replacing Keane will be a big task, but seeing the likes of N'Zogbia emerge is encouraging. We've simply pissed away too many points this season from not just bad defending, but calamatous defending. Simply horrednous errors that no amount of coaching and teaching can account for. At some point, you have to just hold up your hands and look to other options. I just hope that once the salaries are reduced that McLeish will get the funds he needs to make the neccessary changes at the back.
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I don’t know if he is good for us, but I think he deserves a while yet before we call for his head.
I’ve seen much worse down Villa Park… most of Turner, all of McNeil, Venglos, Atkinson’s last half season, Little’s first half season and last half season (4-0 down at HT at home to Blackburn anybody?), GT’s second stint, the fag end of O’Leary, and every March under O’Neil.
I think McLeish needs a fair chance, and for me 25 games, or whatever it is, is not a fair chance.
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I think McLeish needs a fair chance, and for me 25 games, or whatever it is, is not a fair chance.
That's it in a nutshell for me.
When discussing this earlier in the season, his detractors were asking what signs were there to pin your hopes on that he'll be any good? Well, we've seen plenty so far, which we haven't been able to convert into points and wins due to the individual errors at the back. Not that will change people's minds, and in fairness he should have sorted the defence out by now, but at least you can see what we might be under him.
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I like his passion and I think he can do a decent job within the constraints. I also believe he will be here for the long haul.
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I do hope he succeeds but for me a lot of that is in the hands of the ownership. Sounds like the deal was - work with what you have and we can support you with £x in January (= Keane). Once the Heskey's etc are off the wage bill etc you will have room to bring people in. Didn't Villa state that the trnasfer fees were not the problem but the wage bill?
The General tweeted that he was attending last night which is interesting. Wonder if Randy was also over?
Alternatively AM has been told to keep us up prior to the Qatar takeover and Mourinhio returning to England to manage us??
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Once the Heskey's etc are off the wage bill etc you will have room to bring people in. Didn't Villa state that the trnasfer fees were not the problem but the wage bill?
We always seem to talk about the fact that Heskey, Beye and Cuellar will be off the wagebill, but I can see it being more than that. We've just sold Lowry, so although he wouldn't be on a great whack, I can see others of his generation of former youth players also going, so the combined effect may make room for a first teamer. After that, I think Makoun will leave and also have doubts about Delph. Plus, wasn't there talk/speculation about us not taking up the years extension on Petrov's contract?
Hard to know how much we're talking about there, but I'd guess at £5-7m in fees and around £250k a week. The saved wages being much more key to our own summer plans than the incoming fees.
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There was an occasion where Warnock ballooned the ball into the Witton, not long after his own goal. Idiots were shouting that it was McLeish's fault. The only bearing that McLeish had on it was by picking Warnock. The booing of the crowd every time he touched the ball was contributory to what happened. Some players would have turned round and put two fingers up.
We really deserved to win last night. The crowd were great in the second half. There would have been an explosion of relief if we had won. McLeish deserves credit for getting the team into the frame of mind where they came back from 2 down and entertained us all in the process.
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Glad to hear there's a reasonable review of his reign, thus far................DazzyG, any comments :-)
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There were rumbles round me though, even after the comeback as we were pressing for a winner. One guy was just moaning constantly. At one point N'Zogbia attempted a cross that was blocked, and this guy turned to his mate and said "Do you want to support THAT?" as if a blocked cross was all the proof he needed that Mcleish would never be a success at Villa Park.
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I think if they ran out of programmes it would be McLeish's fault. I know there are things that do lie at his door but players who have made it into the professional game should not need telling to keep possession and how to pass.
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There were rumbles round me though, even after the comeback as we were pressing for a winner. One guy was just moaning constantly. At one point N'Zogbia attempted a cross that was blocked, and this guy turned to his mate and said "Do you want to support THAT?" as if a blocked cross was all the proof he needed that Mcleish would never be a success at Villa Park.
Have you found DazzyG?
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He's brought Hutton who is shocking he's also brought Given & N'zogbia, I think most of us would have gone for Given & N'zogbia so it's hard to judge him on transfers, Mon brought some shit as we all know but looking at what he brought for them I am worried what would happen if he had money to spend.
Is he good for us? I don't know, Not for me personally
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He's brought Hutton who is shocking he's also brought Given & N'zogbia, I think most of us would have gone for Given & N'zogbia so it's hard to judge him on transfers, Mon brought some shit as we all know but looking at what he brought for them I am worried what would happen if he had money to spend.
Is he good for us? I don't know, Not for me personally
His transfers have definately been hit and miss so far. I'd agree on your above evaluation of them and add that we've also had two loans, one of which looks a great deal and the other not so much (injury aside, I never rated Jenas!).
But then you need to balance that with the lack of money he had to spend, so I don't see extra funds as a problem, but hopefully the solution.
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Glad to hear there's a reasonable review of his reign, thus far................DazzyG, any comments :-)
Unfortunately our good friend Darren won't be passing comment anymore.
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*sadface*
He was a rubbish troll though, only posting at a certain time of the day. It was hard to get a flow going.
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Our resident idiot is no longer with us.
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He's brought Hutton who is shocking he's also brought Given & N'zogbia, I think most of us would have gone for Given & N'zogbia so it's hard to judge him on transfers, Mon brought some shit as we all know but looking at what he brought for them I am worried what would happen if he had money to spend.
Is he good for us? I don't know, Not for me personally
His transfers have definately been hit and miss so far. I'd agree on your above evaluation of them and add that we've also had two loans, one of which looks a great deal and the other not so much (injury aside, I never rated Jenas!).
But then you need to balance that with the lack of money he had to spend, so I don't see extra funds as a problem, but hopefully the solution.
I think N'zogbia has showed at his past clubs that he has the talent to come good eventually,Given has been a good signing,as for Hutton,he seemed average at best and has proven me wrong in that he's been poor. Really hope both full backs are replaced come the summer.
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With Keane looking like a great bit of business (for which he was ridiculed by many at first) I think McLeish's transfer record overall so far is good. Judging him on his blues signings is less relevant, particularly given their lowly status and the evident problems with interference in transfers. His biggest mistake has been failing to sort the defence urgently and although Hutton is part of that his hands are clearly tied on that front. Plus he could be forgiven for trying to make a previously good defence work again.
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Glad to hear there's a reasonable review of his reign, thus far................DazzyG, any comments :-)
Unfortunately our good friend Darren won't be passing comment anymore.
You are back in the lead TRS-T.
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I'm mortified that DazzyG is no longer with us, a bright spot on an otherwise dull day, guaranteed to put a 'what the f**k' smile/frown on your face.
RIP
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He's brought Hutton who is shocking he's also brought Given & N'zogbia, I think most of us would have gone for Given & N'zogbia so it's hard to judge him on transfers, Mon brought some shit as we all know but looking at what he brought for them I am worried what would happen if he had money to spend.
Is he good for us? I don't know, Not for me personally
His transfers have definately been hit and miss so far. I'd agree on your above evaluation of them and add that we've also had two loans, one of which looks a great deal and the other not so much (injury aside, I never rated Jenas!).
But then you need to balance that with the lack of money he had to spend, so I don't see extra funds as a problem, but hopefully the solution.
I think N'zogbia has showed at his past clubs that he has the talent to come good eventually,Given has been a good signing,as for Hutton,he seemed average at best and has proven me wrong in that he's been poor. Really hope both full backs are replaced come the summer.
He's not going to spend £4m on a full back and replace him. He's more likely to stick with him
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He's not going to spend £4m on a full back and replace him. He's more likely to stick with him
Why not? The worst you can do, after identifying a mistake, is too keep making it.
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In some of the early season matches McCleish was at fault for some atrocious team selections and team tactics. He now seems to be getting the playing staff correct (in an attacking sense). He can't do anything about the errors the defence are making once they are on the pitch, especially as they are all joining in on the act. Even replacing one (Warnock against Wolves) means that other areas get weakened.
If we can keep on improving attacking wise then sooner or later we will start winning more matches then we lose and the defence might start getting getting their confidence back if they realise they might not be under the cosh all match or them defending well will mean we can win matches.
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I'm mortified that DazzyG is no longer with us, a bright spot on an otherwise dull day, guaranteed to put a 'what the f**k' smile/frown on your face.
RIP
Agreed. I shall miss him.
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In some of the early season matches McCleish was at fault for some atrocious team selections and team tactics. He now seems to be getting the playing staff correct (in an attacking sense). He can't do anything about the errors the defence are making once they are on the pitch, especially as they are all joining in on the act. Even replacing one (Warnock against Wolves) means that other areas get weakened.
If we can keep on improving attacking wise then sooner or later we will start winning more matches then we lose and the defence might start getting getting their confidence back if they realise they might not be under the cosh all match or them defending well will mean we can win matches.
There are some promising signs. These individual errors on the pitch can not be stopped by our boss and it is so frustrating for everyone watching. He must be as sick of it as us. It has gone past a joke. It is killing games for us. Like you say we are attacking well and at times look like a good, quick passing team. If we can cut out these costly mistakes we will start to win some.
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As I said in the QPR post match thread if AM can sort out our defensive frailties without compromising the style we played in the second half, then we have the makings of a very good and exciting to watch side.
Quite how he squares that circle I don't know, apart from wait for the summer and bring in some new defenders. So I think we'll have to write this season off as a period of transition, after all we wont be relegated and if AM can bring in some decent defenders in the summer then next season could be very interesting indeed.
Farewell dazzyg, I'll miss your incisive comments and quick witted humour on the goings on at our club.
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I'm mortified that DazzyG is no longer with us, a bright spot on an otherwise dull day, guaranteed to put a 'what the f**k' smile/frown on your face.
RIP
Agreed. I shall miss him.
I'm sure there'll be another one along in a minute.
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I'm mortified that DazzyG is no longer with us, a bright spot on an otherwise dull day, guaranteed to put a 'what the f**k' smile/frown on your face.
RIP
Agreed. I shall miss him.
I'm sure there'll be another one along in a minute.
I thought the transfer window was closed.
Could dazzy be given an ASBO and be allowed back?
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Could dazzy be given an ASBO and be allowed back?
I concur - this thread is no fun without being told I'm not a proper fan and don't care about the club!
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You're not a proper fan and you don't care about the club.
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See - I'm having more fun already!
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I was thinking of moving to Wales so I could be called a Welsh something or other or go up North so I could be called a thick Northerner.
I really regret my harrassment of dazzyg and plead for a reprieve to be given.
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He's brought Hutton who is shocking he's also brought Given & N'zogbia, I think most of us would have gone for Given & N'zogbia so it's hard to judge him on transfers, Mon brought some shit as we all know but looking at what he brought for them I am worried what would happen if he had money to spend.
Is he good for us? I don't know, Not for me personally
His transfers have definately been hit and miss so far. I'd agree on your above evaluation of them and add that we've also had two loans, one of which looks a great deal and the other not so much (injury aside, I never rated Jenas!).
But then you need to balance that with the lack of money he had to spend, so I don't see extra funds as a problem, but hopefully the solution.
I think N'zogbia has showed at his past clubs that he has the talent to come good eventually,Given has been a good signing,as for Hutton,he seemed average at best and has proven me wrong in that he's been poor. Really hope both full backs are replaced come the summer.
He's not going to spend £4m on a full back and replace him. He's more likely to stick with him
I went out on a limb on Wednesday night by saying I've got a feeling Hutton's actually going to turn out to be a good player for us.
I also thought about the noticable thing about Keane and very briefly Jenas when they've played is how much technically better they are than the players we have at the club, and by that I mean the quality of their movement and touch. Ireland is in this class too, but was a write off until very recently, but I think it's clearly something McLeish identified early on and until Ireland woke up it was hindering what was trying to get us to do.
Some of the football we've played in parts in the last couple of months has been as encouraging as I've seen for a long time, in terms of style, and I also believe playing the way we do will suit the younger players coming into the side. If we can cut out the schoolboy errors then we'd be a force, because we will hurt teams.
All things considered, I think McLeish is doing a better job than I expected him to.
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Some of the football we've played in parts in the last couple of months has been as encouraging as I've seen for a long time, in terms of style, and I also believe playing the way we do will suit the younger players coming into the side. If we can cut out the schoolboy errors then we'd be a force, because we will hurt teams.
All things considered, I think McLeish is doing a better job than I expected him to.
Agree with all of that, Lee. McCleish knows he has to raise the bar at Villa and with Sid, Kevin Mac and a group of young players that know how to play the right way, I think there is a decent chance he can drag us into the 21st century. I don't think he'sanybody's fool and he certainly understands the importance of good, winning performances at Villa Park. If he can achieve that he'll soon have the Villa fans on his side. We as a club really need to finish the season on a high not only regarding season ticket renewals but also transfer money for the summer. It's a huge responsibility on McLeish but if he can manage it I won't be complaining.
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I went out on a limb on Wednesday night by saying I've got a feeling Hutton's actually going to turn out to be a good player for us.
I thought Hutton interchanged pretty well with the likes of Ireland and Keane when attacking in the second half on Wednesday.
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I went out on a limb on Wednesday night by saying I've got a feeling Hutton's actually going to turn out to be a good player for us.
I thought Hutton interchanged pretty well with the likes of Ireland and Keane when attacking in the second half on Wednesday.
His job was made a lot easier by Carlos who was tidying up on the right side.
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I would like to see dazzyg reinstated. He was and stil is a complete ringpiece. But he was ours, and we could poke fun at him all day without him realising. He'd just keep coming back for more.
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I would like to see dazzyg reinstated. He was and stil is a complete ringpiece. But he was ours, and we could poke fun at him all day without him realising. He'd just keep coming back for more.
I agree with tv. It comes to something when the topic of conversation at the dinner table (kitchen in this case, it was midweek after all) was lamenting the demise of dazzyg.
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I think anybody who doesn't want to reinstate dazzyg is not a proper fan and doesn't care about the club.
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I did turn up to the dazzyg out protest but no one was there so I went home.
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Is it just coincidence dazzy g and Chris Smith both disappear on the same day?
To lose one loon may be considered unfortunate..
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He used to be shite,
But now he's alright,
Walking in a dazzy wonderland.
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I see McLeish has flown them to Newcastle but it isn't snowing where they are stopping so must be on the coast as it is snowing in the city.
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He's a pilot aswell?
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He's a pilot aswell?
He's a man of many talents.
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I went out on a limb on Wednesday night by saying I've got a feeling Hutton's actually going to turn out to be a good player for us.
I thought Hutton interchanged pretty well with the likes of Ireland and Keane when attacking in the second half on Wednesday.
going to grab my helmet before i post this... based on wednesday's performances i'd rather have hutton then young all day.
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I'd rather have Young, but I also thought that Hutton acquitted himself very well indeed on Wednesday. Partly helped by Cuellar drifting over to the RHS when required.
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Hutton's best games have been alongside Cuellar - the home games against Arsenal and QPR.
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I'd rather have Young, but I also thought that Hutton acquitted himself very well indeed on Wednesday. Partly helped by Cuellar drifting over to the RHS when required.
That isn't necessarily Huttons fault though. If his caught when we are on the attack your CB's are expected to cover.
Just to add the Huttons list of good points, not very big yet i know, the third goal at Wolves came from a tidy ball into the box.
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I went out on a limb on Wednesday night by saying I've got a feeling Hutton's actually going to turn out to be a good player for us.
I thought Hutton interchanged pretty well with the likes of Ireland and Keane when attacking in the second half on Wednesday.
going to grab my helmet before i post this... based on wednesday's performances i'd rather have hutton then young all day.
I agree.
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I dunno you pop out for the day and when you get home you find a Hutton love in on the internet and here of all places :)
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Is it just coincidence dazzy g and Chris Smith both disappear on the same day?
To lose one loon may be considered unfortunate..
Did I miss something, what happened to Dazzy and Chris Smith?
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I havent changed my opinion of Hutton, gives the ball away too many times, dives in when he dosent need to, gets caught out of position a lot, lacks pace on the overlap and stamina to get back, he does put in a decent ball every so often
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Is it just coincidence dazzy g and Chris Smith both disappear on the same day?
To lose one loon may be considered unfortunate..
Did I miss something, what happened to Dazzy and Chris Smith?
one of them popped out for a news paper never to be seen again, the other got taken away by men in white coats
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If this thread ever gets turned into a game for the XBox, it should be called 'Resident Idiot'
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I'll always have a special place in my heart for Hutton after the challenge on Long
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Whoopee another protest to look forward to:
http://www.mcleishout.co.uk/
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To clarify, this is copied from a link on twitter and is in absolutely no way anything to do with me. (even hubby had a fit when he saw it, thinking I'd gone mad).
We have played 24 games this season, we have won 6! Is this good enough? No. This is relegation form.
Alex McLeish is not the man to lead Aston Villa. He had a full pre-season, was given £20m (approx) to spend and has players of the calibre of Darren Bent, Gabby Agbonlahor and Stephen Ireland to work with (also the most promising batch of home-grown players produced in years). Despite all this we find ourselves 13th in the table and without a home win since Bonfire Night.
Now after the débâcle of Sunday with the players now seeming to be in open revolt, the future is looking very bleak indeed.
We need to act now before it is too late and the unthinkable happens.
If you support this, please join us 3pm on Sunday, Trinity road Stand by the McGregor Statue. If you don’t then please ignore this.
UP THE VILLA
Keep up to date with the latest from this group at McLeishOut.co.uk
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It smacks of DazzyG to me.
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The above is just copied from a link on twitter.
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The downside to the freedom provided by the internet is that every crackpot has a platform.
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The above is just copied from a link on twitter.
That's a relief - I thought you'd gone all revolting for a minute!
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The above is just copied from a link on twitter.
That's a relief - I thought you'd gone all revolting for a minute!
Haha, some would say I am.
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The above is just copied from a link on twitter.
That's a relief - I thought you'd gone all revolting for a minute!
Haha, some would say I am.
I thought that was you as well ha, you had me almost ready to turn up
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The above is just copied from a link on twitter.
That's a relief - I thought you'd gone all revolting for a minute!
Haha, some would say I am.
I thought that was you as well ha, you had me almost ready to turn up
Oops, sorry.
I'm still in the 'all things positive' camp.
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Paul Franks, sorry 'Franksy', mentioned this protest on his show earlier in between taking all the Wolves calls. It's another stupid attempt at a protest. It was'nt a very good program either.
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Protest shmotest.
We could do with winning more games, mind.
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The above is just copied from a link on twitter.
The more I hear of twitter, the more I loathe it. Looking forward to seeing this idiotic protest.
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I agree with the first line although that form is better the relegation form (just)
But why mention Ireland and Bent as reasons to sack him when we have had 9 goals from Bent and Ireland has only recently come good under the manager they want rid off. And of course no mention of the defence at all in any of the moan.
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In some ways I applaud people protesting, I doubt that they represent the majority of supporters but to let them know that they are not happy is fine by me, I guess very few will turn out and they will look silly
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I agree with the first line although that form is better the relegation form (just)
But why mention Ireland and Bent as reasons to sack him when we have had 9 goals from Bent and Ireland has only recently come good under the manager they want rid off. And of course no mention of the defence at all in any of the moan.
Not to mention the £20m spent they quote without mentioning the fact that a fair chunk of that was to replace Friedel, Walker, Downing and Young from last year's side.
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They really do go out of their way to accept everyone has the right to a different opinion. They make VFC look all-encompassing.
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Whoopee another protest to look forward to:
http://www.mcleishout.co.uk/
Definitely DazzyG/WarleyWonder
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Whoopee another protest to look forward to:
http://www.mcleishout.co.uk/
Definitely DazzyG/WarleyWonder
Indeed it is. You can tell by the tone of it.
Evil little man.
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Whoopee another protest to look forward to:
http://www.mcleishout.co.uk/
Definitely DazzyG/WarleyWonder
Although it bears all the hallmarks such as words indiscriminately capitalised and the branding of anyone who disagrees with him 'not a real fan', there are capital letters and punctuation on the mcleishout site so I'm not so sure.
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I hope the bed-sheets are better designed than their web site.
They could, FOR example, PUT on LOTS of ................................................
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Dazzyg will let out any time now for his daily rant.
Take your places.
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DazzyG is back?
Oh goody, I can again look forward to venting my spleen/laughing uncontrollably, (depending on what tablets I'm on at the time), after reading his posts.
Welcome back Mr McLeish Junior.
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Do you realise that the mcleishout website is the first composed entirely in crayon?
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Here we go again - McLeish out.
In any other walk of life poaching your biggest competitiors/rivals best asset would be viewed as a coup.
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In any other walk of life poaching your biggest competitiors/rivals best asset would be viewed as a coup
But Blues aren't our biggest competitors/rivals. When have Blues ever challenged us for anything? They are our nearest neighbours and the club we hate the most.
Being the best asset at that mickey mouse outfit is hardly a ringing endorsement of McLeish.
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Here we go again - McLeish out.
In any other walk of life poaching your biggest competitiors/rivals best asset would be viewed as a coup.
I'm so excited about McLeish, I really can't believe we managed to poach him from that load of shit. What an amazing coup.
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THing about McLeish is that if we had gotten him 6 months earlier he'd have been the manager that won them their only trophy and got them to their highest ever PL finish.
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THing about McLeish is that if we had gotten him 6 months earlier he'd have been the manager that won them their only trophy and got them to their highest ever PL finish.
Would still have been relegated with them and have a reputation of playing dire football.
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Gotten?!
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Whoopee another protest to look forward to:
http://www.mcleishout.co.uk/
Definitely DazzyG/WarleyWonder
Although it bears all the hallmarks such as words indiscriminately capitalised and the branding of anyone who disagrees with him 'not a real fan', there are capital letters and punctuation on the mcleishout site so I'm not so sure.
The site was set up by Chris Hearn of Wolverhampton, he of the 'No McLeish' protest t-shirt fame last summer.
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Whoopee another protest to look forward to:
http://www.mcleishout.co.uk/
Definitely DazzyG/WarleyWonder
Although it bears all the hallmarks such as words indiscriminately capitalised and the branding of anyone who disagrees with him 'not a real fan', there are capital letters and punctuation on the mcleishout site so I'm not so sure.
The site was set up by Chris Hearn of Wolverhampton, he of the 'No McLeish' protest t-shirt fame last summer.
If he's from Wolverhampton then according to dazzywonder he shouldn't be a Villa supporter.
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THing about McLeish is that if we had gotten him 6 months earlier he'd have been the manager that won them their only trophy and got them to their highest ever PL finish.
Would still have been relegated with them and have a reputation of playing dire football.
A reputation that some people seem to have gained a degree in by avidly following McLeish's career. Why can't they let things take shape here, instead of foreseeing everything as bad? There has been some good football this season and there is hope for the future if money is invested, but the unpleasant noises behind the scenes are making things unpalatable. It is mob mentality at its worst. If they get their way and McLeish gets sacked, I hope these people will start to put their money where their mouths are. That will mean actually supporting the club instead of many of them hiding behind what they see as a good excuse to stay away.
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Why is DazzyG masquerading as Pat Cowdell?
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Gotten?!
You know...The place where Batman lives...
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I didn't want him, and I still don't rate him. But he's starting to win me over in the last few games.
I was very impressed with the line up and way we went about the Newcastle game. The defence is pathetic (especially Warnock) and the Heskey sub was needed to help him out. On another week he'd have put Gabby wide left for N'Zog to give us the defensive stability to protect Warnock and still allow us an option going forward.
I didn't go to the QPR game, but I saw it all and thought similar to above. Infact, since the loss to Liverpool I've only been really annoyed with McLeish's matchday work twice; Swansea at home and not doing anything sooner at Arsenal.
Be interesting to see how he goes about Sunday.
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Be interesting to see how he goes about Sunday.
Indeed. If he goes out with the same damage-limitation mindset as Liverpool & Manchester United he deserves all the abuse he gets. If we give it a go and lose it'll be disappointing but excusable - we'll have lost to a better team.
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my impression is he's learnt his lesson from trying to be too conservative even though he knows all too well that our defensive frailities will leave us exposed. I genuinely believe he wants to play attacking football, but in order to properly do that we have to be solid at the back which we're not. Every team, from Sunday league upwards knows we are crap at LB, very dodgy at RB, and if you bomb enough balls into the box, from set pieces or otherwise we are likely to fuck things up in the middle. So, being too adventurous carries massive risks, and not being adventurous enough causes the natives to get restless. It's a tough spot for McLeish to be in.
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I didn't want him, and I still don't rate him. But he's starting to win me over in the last few games.
I was very impressed with the line up and way we went about the Newcastle game. The defence is pathetic (especially Warnock) and the Heskey sub was needed to help him out. On another week he'd have put Gabby wide left for N'Zog to give us the defensive stability to protect Warnock and still allow us an option going forward.
I didn't go to the QPR game, but I saw it all and thought similar to above. Infact, since the loss to Liverpool I've only been really annoyed with McLeish's matchday work twice; Swansea at home and not doing anything sooner at Arsenal.
Be interesting to see how he goes about Sunday.
Haha what? He's starting to win you over in the last few games. So results against Arsenal, QPR and Newcastle made you happy did it? 2 defeats and 1 draw. No wins. Nice SHA ambition there.
And the person who made this thread should be ashamed of themselves.
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I didn't want him, and I still don't rate him. But he's starting to win me over in the last few games.
I was very impressed with the line up and way we went about the Newcastle game. The defence is pathetic (especially Warnock) and the Heskey sub was needed to help him out. On another week he'd have put Gabby wide left for N'Zog to give us the defensive stability to protect Warnock and still allow us an option going forward.
I didn't go to the QPR game, but I saw it all and thought similar to above. Infact, since the loss to Liverpool I've only been really annoyed with McLeish's matchday work twice; Swansea at home and not doing anything sooner at Arsenal.
Be interesting to see how he goes about Sunday.
Haha what? He's starting to win you over in the last few games. So results against Arsenal, QPR and Newcastle made you happy did it? 2 defeats and 1 draw. No wins. Nice SHA ambition there.
And the person who made this thread should be ashamed of themselves.
Get a fucking grip, you tart.
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I didn't want him, and I still don't rate him. But he's starting to win me over in the last few games.
I was very impressed with the line up and way we went about the Newcastle game. The defence is pathetic (especially Warnock) and the Heskey sub was needed to help him out. On another week he'd have put Gabby wide left for N'Zog to give us the defensive stability to protect Warnock and still allow us an option going forward.
I didn't go to the QPR game, but I saw it all and thought similar to above. Infact, since the loss to Liverpool I've only been really annoyed with McLeish's matchday work twice; Swansea at home and not doing anything sooner at Arsenal.
Be interesting to see how he goes about Sunday.
Haha what? He's starting to win you over in the last few games. So results against Arsenal, QPR and Newcastle made you happy did it? 2 defeats and 1 draw. No wins. Nice SHA ambition there.
And the person who made this thread should be ashamed of themselves.
Get a fucking grip, you tart.
No you get a fucking grip you blinkered old fool.
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I didn't want him, and I still don't rate him. But he's starting to win me over in the last few games.
I was very impressed with the line up and way we went about the Newcastle game. The defence is pathetic (especially Warnock) and the Heskey sub was needed to help him out. On another week he'd have put Gabby wide left for N'Zog to give us the defensive stability to protect Warnock and still allow us an option going forward.
I didn't go to the QPR game, but I saw it all and thought similar to above. Infact, since the loss to Liverpool I've only been really annoyed with McLeish's matchday work twice; Swansea at home and not doing anything sooner at Arsenal.
Be interesting to see how he goes about Sunday.
Haha what? He's starting to win you over in the last few games. So results against Arsenal, QPR and Newcastle made you happy did it? 2 defeats and 1 draw. No wins. Nice SHA ambition there.
And the person who made this thread should be ashamed of themselves.
Get a fucking grip, you tart.
No you get a fucking grip you blinkered old fool.
Enough.
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Anyway, I don't see how anyone can still find positives of McLeish. You may mention the performances, but funny enough we've been diabolical at either the first half or second half. Not good enough. We need to be good at both halfs and we're not going to get it under this manager. We'll just drop further and further down the table.
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Didn't you say you were off never to return?
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And the person who made this thread should be ashamed of themselves.
The title of the thread is a question, not a statement. Why should anybody be ashamed of themselves for asking an innocent question?
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EDIT: I asked a question that had already been asked in previous post.
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Be interesting to see how he goes about Sunday.
Indeed. If he goes out with the same damage-limitation mindset as Liverpool & Manchester United he deserves all the abuse he gets. If we give it a go and lose it'll be disappointing but excusable - we'll have lost to a better team.
With our defence I think our only option is too give it a go I doubt we could play defensive!
Mind you i guess we could set up as if we are playing away from home as we did against Chelsea, except Man City have better players
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I didn't want him, and I still don't rate him. But he's starting to win me over in the last few games.
I was very impressed with the line up and way we went about the Newcastle game. The defence is pathetic (especially Warnock) and the Heskey sub was needed to help him out. On another week he'd have put Gabby wide left for N'Zog to give us the defensive stability to protect Warnock and still allow us an option going forward.
I didn't go to the QPR game, but I saw it all and thought similar to above. Infact, since the loss to Liverpool I've only been really annoyed with McLeish's matchday work twice; Swansea at home and not doing anything sooner at Arsenal.
Be interesting to see how he goes about Sunday.
Haha what? He's starting to win you over in the last few games. So results against Arsenal, QPR and Newcastle made you happy did it? 2 defeats and 1 draw. No wins. Nice SHA ambition there.
And the person who made this thread should be ashamed of themselves.
We were winning more games earlier in the season, but the 'anti-Mcleish' argument was the style of play and entertainment value. That has improved, mostly at least, and now it's the results that are the problem.
I wish people would just be honest and say they want him out because he came from Blues. It would make life simpler.
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I didn't want him, and I still don't rate him. But he's starting to win me over in the last few games.
I was very impressed with the line up and way we went about the Newcastle game. The defence is pathetic (especially Warnock) and the Heskey sub was needed to help him out. On another week he'd have put Gabby wide left for N'Zog to give us the defensive stability to protect Warnock and still allow us an option going forward.
I didn't go to the QPR game, but I saw it all and thought similar to above. Infact, since the loss to Liverpool I've only been really annoyed with McLeish's matchday work twice; Swansea at home and not doing anything sooner at Arsenal.
Be interesting to see how he goes about Sunday.
Haha what? He's starting to win you over in the last few games. So results against Arsenal, QPR and Newcastle made you happy did it? 2 defeats and 1 draw. No wins. Nice SHA ambition there.
And the person who made this thread should be ashamed of themselves.
Get a fucking grip, you tart.
No you get a fucking grip you blinkered old fool.
Who you calling 'old'?
I'm still playing mate.
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Any manager coming in would struggle having lost the two most creative players- there is no doubt that the football has improved since Xmas and if we didn't concede so many sloppy goals we would probably be in 8th place- the defence needs sorting and if randy gives him the financial backing in the summer, I'd expect next season to see a much better side, although I think that top 8 will be as good as we can aim for- not the managers fault though as he inherited a team in decline and lost his best players with little to spend in return for it.
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Whoopee another protest to look forward to:
http://www.mcleishout.co.uk/
Definitely DazzyG/WarleyWonder
Although it bears all the hallmarks such as words indiscriminately capitalised and the branding of anyone who disagrees with him 'not a real fan', there are capital letters and punctuation on the mcleishout site so I'm not so sure.
The site was set up by Chris Hearn of Wolverhampton, he of the 'No McLeish' protest t-shirt fame last summer.
If he's from Wolverhampton then according to dazzywonder he shouldn't be a Villa supporter.
Well I'm sure Jazzy G String would make an exception for fellow anti-McLeish, go away we don't like you, everything stinks at the club, Compass. If memory serves, he's from Wolverhampton too.
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If you had to live in Wolverhampton you would think everything was shit, I suppose.
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If you had to live in Wolverhampton you would think everything was shit, I suppose.
I think if you lived in Wolvo your shit perception sensors would be burned out within 24 hours. You would become anaesthetised to shitness, shitness would envelop you like an old-gold egg-cosy of cack.
And you would grow old, decline and die, unaware of how shit everything was.
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Whoopee another protest to look forward to:
http://www.mcleishout.co.uk/
Definitely DazzyG/WarleyWonder
Although it bears all the hallmarks such as words indiscriminately capitalised and the branding of anyone who disagrees with him 'not a real fan', there are capital letters and punctuation on the mcleishout site so I'm not so sure.
The site was set up by Chris Hearn of Wolverhampton, he of the 'No McLeish' protest t-shirt fame last summer.
If he's from Wolverhampton then according to dazzywonder he shouldn't be a Villa supporter.
Well I'm sure Jazzy G String would make an exception for fellow anti-McLeish, go away we don't like you, everything stinks at the club, Compass. If memory serves, he's from Wolverhampton too.
For the record No I don't live in Wolverhampton and before anyone says anything I have nothing against people from Wolverhampton (just for the record) before I am accused of hating someone else!!
As you are aware and I didn't want to mention it again AM is not my choice of manager and not becuase of the fact he is ex blose. Just look at his record (overall) we could all have won trophies in Scotland it isnt difficult etc etc.
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If you had to live in Wolverhampton you would think everything was shit, I suppose.
I think if you lived in Wolvo your shit perception sensors would be burned out within 24 hours. You would become anaesthetised to shitness, shitness would envelop you like an old-gold egg-cosy of cack.
And you would grow old, decline and die, unaware of how shit everything was.
I was talking to a London-based colleague in the office today, and he made reference to the concept of model towns based on times gone by, and asked loudly: "For example, what's the name of that town set in the 19th century just outside Birmingham?" (meaning that Black Country Living Museum place).
I said "Wolverhampton?" and he nodded, oblivious to the piss take, the snidey London tossbucket.
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For the record No I don't live in Wolverhampton and before anyone says anything I have nothing against people from Wolverhampton (just for the record) before I am accused of hating someone else!!
Nobody's said you are from Wolverhampton.
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Look at McLeish's record in the league. 1 win out of 4 league games. Surely that's enough for fans now? How much time does he need? He should be doing alot better. If we lose against City then:
10/11 SHA - 25 games played, 30 pts
11/12 Aston Villa - 25 games played, 28 pts
How is that excusable?
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For the record No I don't live in Wolverhampton and before anyone says anything I have nothing against people from Wolverhampton (just for the record) before I am accused of hating someone else!!
Nobody's said you are from Wolverhampton.
I got the impression from previous posts that it was perceived that I was (I realise that I have to be specific on here now) after the one fatal error I made recently it went down like a lead balloon if we cast our minds back.
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For the record No I don't live in Wolverhampton and before anyone says anything I have nothing against people from Wolverhampton (just for the record) before I am accused of hating someone else!!
Nobody's said you are from Wolverhampton.
I got the impression from previous posts that it was perceived that I was (I realise that I have to be specific on here now) after the one fatal error I made recently it went down like a lead balloon if we cast our minds back.
Read it again. Someone else was said to be Wolverhampton. Not you.
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Look at McLeish's record in the league. 1 win out of 4 league games. Surely that's enough for fans now? How much time does he need? He should be doing alot better. If we lose against City then:
10/11 SHA - 25 games played, 30 pts
11/12 Aston Villa - 25 games played, 28 pts
How is that excusable?
Why is it that the only team, and the only time, you lot ever make comparisons with is Small Heath, this time last season? And you did say you weren't coming back on here, yet one defeat and here you are again, stamping your foot and decrying anyone who thinks differently to you.
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If you had to live in Wolverhampton you would think everything was shit, I suppose.
Clearly you have never been to the Mander Centre.
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Look at McLeish's record in the league. 1 win out of 4 league games. Surely that's enough for fans now? How much time does he need? He should be doing alot better. If we lose against City then:
10/11 SHA - 25 games played, 30 pts
11/12 Aston Villa - 25 games played, 28 pts
How is that excusable?
Well by the end of February the Rags were up to 9th and had a cup in the bag. Whilst we may not win a cup, we're certainly showing signs of playing better football, even if as you mentioned earlier, it's only really been in one half per game. It take it you were't a fan of MON either?
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I am originally from Walsall which is by Wolverhampton.
Is it ok if i support the villa too.
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I am originally from Walsall which is by Wolverhampton.
Is it ok if i support the villa too.
There is a waiting list. And a series of interviews and background checks.
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During my absence we lost against Liverpool, Arsenal, Swansea, Arsenal (again) and Newcastle. It's not like I came straight here on Sunday when we lost against Newcastle.
I've come back today (only to lurk mind) because I'm thinking that the majority of members have to come to their senses that McLeish shouldn't be manager, but I come in this thread with alot of excuses and I see a post where he thinks we're getting better.
I couldn't let that go. Just madness at all levels. 1 win out of 4 league games and people still have nice things to say about him. :o
We must pick up at least 2 wins against either Wigan, Blackburn, Fulham or Bolton. If we don't we could be in deep shit. The spring fixtures aren't pretty. Do I have faith in McLeish's ability? Nope! Not with his blueprint relegation management. Need to get rid quickly.
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I am originally from Walsall which is by Wolverhampton.
Is it ok if i support the villa too.
no those born in good hope hospital only!
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During my absence we lost against Liverpool, Arsenal, Swansea, Arsenal (again) and Newcastle. It's not like I came straight here on Sunday when we lost against Newcastle.
I've come back today (only to lurk mind) because I'm thinking that the majority of members have to come to their senses that McLeish shouldn't be manager, but I come in this thread with alot of excuses and I see a post where he thinks we're getting better.
I couldn't let that go. Just madness at all levels. 1 win out of 4 league games and people still have nice things to say about him. :o
We must pick up at least 2 wins against either Wigan, Blackburn, Fulham or Bolton. If we don't we could be in deep shit. The spring fixtures aren't pretty. Do I have faith in McLeish's ability? Nope! Not with his blueprint relegation management. Need to get rid quickly.
Missed out the ones we didn't lose, I see. Nicely selective. And yet again you're insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you. Feel free to re-continue your absence.
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Damn it, your so lucky! I will try the saddlers then! :)
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During my absence we lost against Liverpool, Arsenal, Swansea, Arsenal (again) and Newcastle. It's not like I came straight here on Sunday when we lost against Newcastle.
I've come back today (only to lurk mind) because I'm thinking that the majority of members have to come to their senses that McLeish shouldn't be manager, but I come in this thread with alot of excuses and I see a post where he thinks we're getting better.
I couldn't let that go. Just madness at all levels. 1 win out of 4 league games and people still have nice things to say about him. :o
We must pick up at least 2 wins against either Wigan, Blackburn, Fulham or Bolton. If we don't we could be in deep shit. The spring fixtures aren't pretty. Do I have faith in McLeish's ability? Nope! Not with his blueprint relegation management. Need to get rid quickly.
Missed out the ones we didn't lose, I see. Nicely selective. And yet again you're insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you. Feel free to re-continue your absence.
yet one defeat and here you are again, stamping your foot and decrying anyone who thinks differently to you.
You made the assumption I come back by just one by defeat. The list was to counter that ridiculous claim. We had back to back defeats, I wasn't here then. We had that disgraceful defeat against Swansea as well, but I didn't bother returning. Nor when we lost 3-2 from 0-2. Even when we lost against Newcastle I didn't come straight here on Sunday. I wouldn't even bothered posting here until I saw that one post of where they think we're getting better. It's just funny man, it's like they watch one half of where we're doing well and then fall asleep of the next half we do badly. :D
But sure, carry on supporting a relegation manager. Let's see how you and others are supportive of him when he does relegate us. ::)
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Stan has just been on TS, and talks a lot of sense.Hinted that there will be a few going in the summer, and a few,surprising signings.
He sounded quite positiv, and come out with a few stats.Only Chelsk and Ure have lost fewer away games than we have.Mentioned the home form, intimated that we don't help, and may have to accept that McL is here for at least 12 more months.
Personally when i see, hear, read what McL has to say, i tend to agree with him.Hes not as negative as a lot on here seem to suggest, and if we take away the ridiculously stupid errors that Warnock/Dunne have been responsible for, then you could probably add 10 points to our tootal.The problem is we have no immediate replacements.
I did'nt want McL, i'm still not overly enamoured, but i'm prepared to give him a chance.
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During my absence we lost against Liverpool, Arsenal, Swansea, Arsenal (again) and Newcastle. It's not like I came straight here on Sunday when we lost against Newcastle.
I've come back today (only to lurk mind) because I'm thinking that the majority of members have to come to their senses that McLeish shouldn't be manager, but I come in this thread with alot of excuses and I see a post where he thinks we're getting better.
I couldn't let that go. Just madness at all levels. 1 win out of 4 league games and people still have nice things to say about him. :o
We must pick up at least 2 wins against either Wigan, Blackburn, Fulham or Bolton. If we don't we could be in deep shit. The spring fixtures aren't pretty. Do I have faith in McLeish's ability? Nope! Not with his blueprint relegation management. Need to get rid quickly.
Missed out the ones we didn't lose, I see. Nicely selective. And yet again you're insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you. Feel free to re-continue your absence.
yet one defeat and here you are again, stamping your foot and decrying anyone who thinks differently to you.
You made the assumption I come back by just one by defeat. The list was to counter that ridiculous claim. We had back to back defeats, I wasn't here then. We had that disgraceful defeat against Swansea as well, but I didn't bother returning. Nor when we lost 3-2 from 0-2. Even when we lost against Newcastle I didn't come straight here on Sunday. I wouldn't even bothered posting here until I saw that one post of where they think we're getting better. It's just funny man, it's like they watch one half of where we're doing well and then fall asleep of the next half we do badly. :D
But sure, carry on supporting a relegation manager. Let's see how you and others are supportive of him when he does relegate us. ::)
Which he won't. But if you're so sure, how much will you put on it?
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As you are aware and I didn't want to mention it again AM is not my choice of manager and not becuase of the fact he is ex blose. Just look at his record (overall) we could all have won trophies in Scotland it isnt difficult etc etc.
How many have won one in England recently?
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MON's (*spits*) record in 1st yr: P26 W7 D11 L8 F26 A31.
McLeish so far: P24 W6 D10 L8 F32 A30.
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Compass, do you honestly believe that marches, protests, banners, websites etc from a small minority will have one tiny bit of influence on the board? Do you really think it will make them suddenly "come to their senses" and reconsider their decision? Or is it possible that it will only help create a more tense atmosphere during what will already be a very difficult game? Your actions and proposals are nothing but counterproductive. You and the likes of that other tool dazzyg have never given him a chance. And you never will.
And then what? Let's look at the remote possibility that your wishes come true and he does get fired. You and your merry bunch will be stroking each other in joy and glee. Do you think the board will then consult the "told you so" crowd and ask you who should be next? You'll be as irrelevant then as you are now. Get used to it.
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Compass, do you honestly believe that marches, protests, banners, websites etc from a small minority will have one tiny bit of influence on the board? Do you really think it will make them suddenly "come to their senses" and reconsider their decision? Or is it possible that it will only help create a more tense atmosphere during what will already be a very difficult game? Your actions and proposals are nothing but counterproductive. You and the likes of that other tool dazzyg have never given him a chance. And you never will.
And then what? Let's look at the remote possibility that your wishes come true and he does get fired. You and your merry bunch will be stroking each other in joy and glee. Do you think the board will then consult the "told you so" crowd and ask you who should be next? You'll be as irrelevant then as you are now. Get used to it.
Well said, TV. If only the home fans would get behind the players as the away support usually do, the reaction to N'Zogbia's substitution on Sunday being a disappointing exception.
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Indeed well said TV.
Don't forget grown men, who should know better, making complete c***s of themselves by climbing on top of the gates of Villa Park, trying to lead a crowd of thickos into a chorus. Also people desecrating the wall outside Bodymoor Heath. By the time they have finished, McLeish will have more people on his side than ever.
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As you are aware and I didn't want to mention it again AM is not my choice of manager and not becuase of the fact he is ex blose. Just look at his record (overall) we could all have won trophies in Scotland it isnt difficult etc etc.
Didn't he get Small Heath relegated twice or something? I am sure someone mentioned it.
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MON's (*spits*) record in 1st yr: P26 W7 D11 L8 F26 A31.
McLeish so far: P24 W6 D10 L8 F32 A30.
That doesn't count. Please pick worse statistics.
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Indeed well said TV.
Don't forget grown men, who should know better, making complete c***s of themselves by climbing on top of the gates of Villa Park, trying to lead a crowd of thickos into a chorus. Also people desecrating the wall outside Bodymoor Heath. By the time they have finished, McLeish will have more people on his side than ever.
Very true Dave, and with every prejudiced post from the likes Snazzy P and Compass I find my support of him growing ever stronger.
And can I also recommend Compass for a name change, because his posts are absolutely fucking pointless.
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Billy McNeill: P41 W9 D15 L17
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As you are aware and I didn't want to mention it again AM is not my choice of manager and not becuase of the fact he is ex blose. Just look at his record (overall) we could all have won trophies in Scotland it isnt difficult etc etc.
Didn't he get Small Heath relegated twice or something? I am sure someone mentioned it.
Funny, as most the trophies he won at Rangers meant Celtic, and ergo pube-head, didn't win them, which is quite puzzling as O'Neill is obviously so much better a manager than McLeish, and Scottish trophies are so easy to come by.
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As you are aware and I didn't want to mention it again AM is not my choice of manager and not becuase of the fact he is ex blose. Just look at his record (overall) we could all have won trophies in Scotland it isnt difficult etc etc.
Didn't he get Small Heath relegated twice or something? I am sure someone mentioned it.
Funny, as most the trophies he won at Rangers meant Celtic, and ergo pube-head, didn't win them, which is quite puzzling as O'Neill is obviously so much better a manager than McLeish, and Scottish trophies are so easy to come by.
He must have been lucky. Hide those statistics as well.
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Indeed well said TV.
Don't forget grown men, who should know better, making complete c***s of themselves by climbing on top of the gates of Villa Park, trying to lead a crowd of thickos into a chorus. Also people desecrating the wall outside Bodymoor Heath. By the time they have finished, McLeish will have more people on his side than ever.
I like to think of the protests as a lucky omen. Last time there was a protest planned, we played brilliantly for 90 minutes and 3 very nice points in the bag. I might start a Facebook page 'AVFC Supporters - Save the Bedsheet Four'. If we could get enough support, they could have a protest every home game and ching, ching, ching..
Champions League here we come!
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This is a really entertaining thread. Thanks to all concerned. Who will appear next?
(Left to me I'd vote for the guy who put the dodgy website together - unless he's already here, of course!)
To the anti-McLeish cohort calling for mass protest - Have you considered a title for your call to arms: 'Sheets on the Villa'?
Given the acute awareness of the Blose connection in the posts, and the materials used to promote 'the message' it would be just a little homage to our manager's 'roots' which alas, and obviously, still bother you.
Don't bother me, tho'. Go for it, Alex! Yay!!
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Post WW2 Villa Managers records in the first 23 games in order:
Rank Manager Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 John Gregory 23 17 4 2 39 16 23 55
2 Ron Atkinson 23 11 3 9 34 29 5 36
3 Alex Massie 23 10 5 8 35 27 8 35
4 Tony Barton 23 10 5 8 35 32 3 35
5 George Martin 23 8 7 8 35 33 2 31
6 Brian Little 23 7 9 7 28 26 2 30
7 David O'Leary 23 8 6 9 26 27 -1 30
8 Alex McLeish 23 6 10 7 28 31 -3 28
9 Graham Turner 23 7 7 9 31 38 -7 28
10 Jozef Venglos 23 6 9 8 24 24 0 27
11 Eric Houghton 23 8 3 12 36 44 -8 27
12 Martin O'Neill 23 5 11 7 24 28 -4 26
13 Gerard Houllier 23 6 8 9 29 38 -9 26
14 Graham Taylor 23 6 5 12 21 29 -8 23
15 Billy McNeill 23 5 8 10 29 43 -14 23
16 Dick Taylor 23 7 2 14 28 51 -23 23
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What about Vic Crowe?
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First division managers only.
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As Dave has mentioned on the Pre-Match thread, I wonder if the idiots behind this new protest (if they turn up this time) have realised the irony of their initial meeting place?
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McCleish should'nt have even been considered for the job never mind offered it and although the jury is still out on him, the thought of Jazzy G and the Fresh Pricks walking round that great ground with a badly scrawled on bedsheet makes me want the guy to succeed even more.
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McCleish should'nt have even been considered for the job never mind offered it and although the jury is still out on him, the thought of Jazzy G and the Fresh Pricks walking round that great ground with a badly scrawled on bedsheet makes me want the guy to succeed even more.
Like it. A lot.
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(re Legion's post)
John Gregory - didn't he do well?!
Some of them had more teams below to do worse (old first division).
Wow. AMcL is looking rather good in this company. And will get better.
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Post WW2 Villa Managers records in the first 23 games in order:
Rank Manager Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 John Gregory 23 17 4 2 39 16 23 55
2 Ron Atkinson 23 11 3 9 34 29 5 36
3 Alex Massie 23 10 5 8 35 27 8 35
4 Tony Barton 23 10 5 8 35 32 3 35
5 George Martin 23 8 7 8 35 33 2 31
6 Brian Little 23 7 9 7 28 26 2 30
7 David O'Leary 23 8 6 9 26 27 -1 30
8 Alex McLeish 23 6 10 7 28 31 -3 28
9 Graham Turner 23 7 7 9 31 38 -7 28
10 Jozef Venglos 23 6 9 8 24 24 0 27
11 Eric Houghton 23 8 3 12 36 44 -8 27
12 Martin O'Neill 23 5 11 7 24 28 -4 26
13 Gerard Houllier 23 6 8 9 29 38 -9 26
14 Graham Taylor 23 6 5 12 21 29 -8 23
15 Billy McNeill 23 5 8 10 29 43 -14 23
16 Dick Taylor 23 7 2 14 28 51 -23 23
So all the modern mangers bar Little and O'Leary took over with far more favourable conditions at the club, in terms of finances and personnel, and Brian Little can walk on water, so that's unfair.
Which leaves him about the same as O'Leary, but he wins as he's not a self serving tosspot.
That'll do for me.
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McCleish should'nt have even been considered for the job never mind offered it and although the jury is still out on him, the thought of Jazzy G and the Fresh Pricks walking round that great ground with a badly scrawled on bedsheet makes me want the guy to succeed even more.
Like it. A lot.
Yeah, that's ace.
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I didn't want him, and I still don't rate him. But he's starting to win me over in the last few games.
I was very impressed with the line up and way we went about the Newcastle game. The defence is pathetic (especially Warnock) and the Heskey sub was needed to help him out. On another week he'd have put Gabby wide left for N'Zog to give us the defensive stability to protect Warnock and still allow us an option going forward.
I didn't go to the QPR game, but I saw it all and thought similar to above. Infact, since the loss to Liverpool I've only been really annoyed with McLeish's matchday work twice; Swansea at home and not doing anything sooner at Arsenal.
Be interesting to see how he goes about Sunday.
Haha what? He's starting to win you over in the last few games. So results against Arsenal, QPR and Newcastle made you happy did it? 2 defeats and 1 draw. No wins. Nice SHA ambition there.
And the person who made this thread should be ashamed of themselves.
It's not solely about results though, is it? It's about whether he is the right man for Aston Villa. I didn't think he was, I still don't, but from where I am his positivity over the last month or so is far away from his reputation and what he served up in the first quarter of the season.
I'll be interested to see what he does on Sunday. The Ireland and N'Zogbia issues give him the opportunity to change it, if he continues setting the team up with the same positive attitude how he has in the last few weeks then I'll have few complaints as it's simply down to the players he's got. If we surrender and go for damage limitation and the hope of a clean sheet like we did at Spurs, Citeh and at home to Liverpool then I'll be mightily pissed off.
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Indeed well said TV.
Don't forget grown men, who should know better, making complete c***s of themselves by climbing on top of the gates of Villa Park, trying to lead a crowd of thickos into a chorus. Also people desecrating the wall outside Bodymoor Heath. By the time they have finished, McLeish will have more people on his side than ever.
Very true Dave, and with every prejudiced post from the likes Snazzy P and Compass I find my support of him growing ever stronger.
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And can I also recommend Compass for a name change, because his posts are absolutely fucking pointless.
I like i like what you did there, Lee.
Worryingly, matt kendrick tweeted a short while ago. 'general consensus is there IS a need for a changing of the guard at villa. Opinion is split on whether Alex mcLeish is the right man to do it.'
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Consensus among whom? The press? Supporters? Because there's only one person at VP whose opinion really counts, and that's Randy.
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Consensus among whom? The press? Supporters? Because there's only one person at VP whose opinion really counts, and that's Randy.
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Quite agree. I guess he's talking about supporters who have corresponded with him on twitter and elsewhere.
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Fucking Twitter. So Damon can talk about himself, ish, until Dave realised not everyone who uses it is a twat.
Until he found out I didn't and then changed his mind again...
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Worryingly, matt kendrick tweeted a short while ago. 'general consensus is there IS a need for a changing of the guard at villa. Opinion is split on whether Alex mcLeish is the right man to do it.'
I don't see that as worrying myself. Just by reading this forum you can see a split in opinion about AM and a general agreement that we need to replace the majority of the defence.
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A few periods of decent football during matches we lost and AM is now the right manager for us. We are a fickle bunch.
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A few periods of decent football during matches we lost and AM is now the right manager for us. We are a fickle bunch.
Yes, that's exactly what's happened. Well done you.
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A few periods of decent football during matches we lost and AM is now the right manager for us. We are a fickle bunch.
That's certainly told me. How dare I support my club.
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A few periods of decent football during matches we lost and AM is now the right manager for us. We are a fickle bunch.
That's certainly told me. How dare I support my club.
It seems like a large proportion of those in the anti-mcleish camp simply cannot accept that there have been ANY positives so far. Very hard to have a reasonable debate with anyone that is so blinkered.
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I want to go against the mainstream.
AML won't be the new Ferguson but I'm convinced the criticisms towards him are exaggerated.
and I think that Mc Leish is a serious man, committed to the club, and is doing a good job, playing a lot of youngsters from the Academy.
Despite of thew poor results the team played quite well in the last few games, it's not easy when two of your players play for the opponents. We can't blame AML if we have two unwatchable, overpaid, players like Warnock and Dunne that concede one or two goals to the opponents every week. We must thank MON for them, as for Beyè, and others.
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Here's a question:- how much better would this Villa side be if the defence was sorted?
We're certainly capable of scoring ourselves and the recent performances (probably since Arsenal at home in the league) have shown some good, if not consistent, attacking play. If we cut out the stupid mistakes at the back how far up the table would that propel us?
And in the answer to that I think you find the true direction of where McLeish is taking us. Due to finances he hasn't been able to put his own stamp on the back 4, so if and when he does, I think we'll see a pretty useful Villa side.
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A few periods of decent football during matches we lost and AM is now the right manager for us. We are a fickle bunch.
That's certainly told me. How dare I support my club.
It seems like a large proportion of those in the anti-mcleish camp simply cannot accept that there have been ANY positives so far. Very hard to have a reasonable debate with anyone that is so blinkered.
It works both ways. There are plenty of people in the pro McLeish camp who seem unable to not resort to "you just don't like him because he managed Blues", as if that is behind all (rather than some) criticism of him.
I can think of positive things (as I could under Houllier when he was getting roundly slated) and I can think of negative things. I'm not a fan of the manager, and I suspect it is going to go to tit soon (it certainly will if we don't start winning more matches soon), but I'm not about to start going on protest marches or setting web sites up, and nor am I going to start throwing abuse at him or the players during matches, because that achieves nothing at all.
Nor do I give a flying fuck that he used to manage Blues, and it annoys me to get tarred with that ill thought-out brush.
As Damon said, ultimately our opinion counts for nothing, it is what the chairman thinks that really matters. We can talk about and debate it as much as we like - and that's what this place is for - but if anyone thinks they're going to get the chairman to sack the manager by waving a few placards and trudging down the Trinity Road looking annoyed, they're living in dream world.
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It works both ways. There are plenty of people in the pro McLeish camp who seem unable to not resort to "you just don't like him because he managed Blues", as if that is behind all (rather than some) criticism of him.
I can think of positive things (as I could under Houllier when he was getting roundly slated) and I can think of negative things. I'm not a fan of the manager, and I suspect it is going to go to tit soon (it certainly will if we don't start winning more matches soon), but I'm not about to start going on protest marches or setting web sites up, and nor am I going to start throwing abuse at him or the players during matches, because that achieves nothing at all.
Nor do I give a flying fuck that he used to manage Blues, and it annoys me to get tarred with that ill thought-out brush.
As Damon said, ultimately our opinion counts for nothing, it is what the chairman thinks that really matters. We can talk about and debate it as much as we like - and that's what this place is for - but if anyone thinks they're going to get the chairman to sack the manager by waving a few placards and trudging down the Trinity Road looking annoyed, they're living in dream world.
Agree with a lot of what you said, but it's pretty obvious that there are people out there who can't look beyond his blues connection. Not rating him as a manager is a valid viewpoint, and I'm struggling to think of anyone who supports McLeish (myself included) who hasn't accepted that there have been mistakes made so far (or that he wouldn't have been many people's first choice for the job). I don't think you, or any of the other more reasonable posters on this site, are actually getting tarred with the Jizzy G brush.
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Got to admit when I look ahead I cannot see the association between Alex Mcleish and Aston Villa ending well. At that point I guess Dazzy and Compass will be very happy and expecting people to thank them when they say "I told you so".
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A few periods of decent football during matches we lost and AM is now the right manager for us. We are a fickle bunch.
That's certainly told me. How dare I support my club.
It seems like a large proportion of those in the anti-mcleish camp simply cannot accept that there have been ANY positives so far. Very hard to have a reasonable debate with anyone that is so blinkered.
It works both ways. There are plenty of people in the pro McLeish camp who seem unable to not resort to "you just don't like him because he managed Blues", as if that is behind all (rather than some) criticism of him.
I can think of positive things (as I could under Houllier when he was getting roundly slated) and I can think of negative things. I'm not a fan of the manager, and I suspect it is going to go to tit soon (it certainly will if we don't start winning more matches soon), but I'm not about to start going on protest marches or setting web sites up, and nor am I going to start throwing abuse at him or the players during matches, because that achieves nothing at all.
Nor do I give a flying fuck that he used to manage Blues, and it annoys me to get tarred with that ill thought-out brush.
As Damon said, ultimately our opinion counts for nothing, it is what the chairman thinks that really matters. We can talk about and debate it as much as we like - and that's what this place is for - but if anyone thinks they're going to get the chairman to sack the manager by waving a few placards and trudging down the Trinity Road looking annoyed, they're living in dream world.
Hardly adds to the debate, but I totally agree
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Got to admit when I look ahead I cannot see the association between Alex Mcleish and Aston Villa ending well. At that point I guess Dazzy and Compass will be very happy and expecting people to thank them when they say "I told you so".
When the last time a manager's Villa career did end well?
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Sir GT Mk I?
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Got to admit when I look ahead I cannot see the association between Alex Mcleish and Aston Villa ending well. At that point I guess Dazzy and Compass will be very happy and expecting people to thank them when they say "I told you so".
When the last time a manager's Villa career did end well?
Hardly any of them go on to anything bigger.
SGT is the obvious example, but who else?
I don't know if that reflects well on us ("there aren't many places bigger to go") or badly ("you're finished, mate")
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It works both ways. There are plenty of people in the pro McLeish camp who seem unable to not resort to "you just don't like him because he managed Blues", as if that is behind all (rather than some) criticism of him.
I can think of positive things (as I could under Houllier when he was getting roundly slated) and I can think of negative things. I'm not a fan of the manager, and I suspect it is going to go to tit soon (it certainly will if we don't start winning more matches soon), but I'm not about to start going on protest marches or setting web sites up, and nor am I going to start throwing abuse at him or the players during matches, because that achieves nothing at all.
Nor do I give a flying fuck that he used to manage Blues, and it annoys me to get tarred with that ill thought-out brush.
As Damon said, ultimately our opinion counts for nothing, it is what the chairman thinks that really matters. We can talk about and debate it as much as we like - and that's what this place is for - but if anyone thinks they're going to get the chairman to sack the manager by waving a few placards and trudging down the Trinity Road looking annoyed, they're living in dream world.
Agree with a lot of what you said, but it's pretty obvious that there are people out there who can't look beyond his blues connection. Not rating him as a manager is a valid viewpoint, and I'm struggling to think of anyone who supports McLeish (myself included) who hasn't accepted that there have been mistakes made so far (or that he wouldn't have been many people's first choice for the job). I don't think you, or any of the other more reasonable posters on this site, are actually getting tarred with the Jizzy G brush.
I just don't get the Blues thing at all (I am referring to those who are bothered by it).
If he does really well with us, isn't that a bonus that we took him from them?
Also, if he'd done an amazing job there, I'd consider it a *bonus* not a negative that he came from there, as it would have pissed them off in the process.
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The fact that only one of our managers has ever resigned to take another job is a telling one.
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Sir GT Mk I?
Last one I can think of, so that's 20 years and 9 managers since it happened.
No, Mcleish's tenure won't end well, whenever it happens. I'm more concerned with what he does between now and then!
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Agree with a lot of what you said, but it's pretty obvious that there are people out there who can't look beyond his blues connection. Not rating him as a manager is a valid viewpoint, and I'm struggling to think of anyone who supports McLeish (myself included) who hasn't accepted that there have been mistakes made so far (or that he wouldn't have been many people's first choice for the job). I don't think you, or any of the other more reasonable posters on this site, are actually getting tarred with the Jizzy G brush.
There's been a lot of prejudgement regarding McCleish that now looks unwarranted, the main one for me being that his teams play dull football. Whilst I'm encouraged by the signs of a more technical style, it's still far too early to hang out the bunting. The hoofing has stopped, we do try and play it now more on the deck but until we start putting points on the board there's always going to be an unease about his management.
Obviously some will never give him a chance but most I imagine will be more than happy if he makes a success of the challenge - and it most certainly is a challenge. He's having to operate under restrictive conditions but that's still not an excuse considering the talent available to him. After 25 games into the season he needs to find a settled team that play to our strengths. As somebody mentioned earlier, if he can sort out the defence, we really could be a very decent team. It's been frustrating because despite the progress made we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot, something we can't hold McCleish responsible for but on something he will be ultimately judged.
My confidence in him is based more on those that surround him rather than just the man himself. In Kevin MacDonald and Sid, we have two exceptional coaches that can help turn McLeish into a Villa man and his team play the way we all long to see.
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Compass, do you honestly believe that marches, protests, banners, websites etc from a small minority will have one tiny bit of influence on the board? Do you really think it will make them suddenly "come to their senses" and reconsider their decision? Or is it possible that it will only help create a more tense atmosphere during what will already be a very difficult game? Your actions and proposals are nothing but counterproductive. You and the likes of that other tool dazzyg have never given him a chance. And you never will.
And then what? Let's look at the remote possibility that your wishes come true and he does get fired. You and your merry bunch will be stroking each other in joy and glee. Do you think the board will then consult the "told you so" crowd and ask you who should be next? You'll be as irrelevant then as you are now. Get used to it.
Are you reading this Dave Woodhall? I thought offending a fellow forum member was not allowed? Or is it a case of one rule for one and one rule for another.
In answer to Toronto Villa why have you suddenly piped up out of the blue? Your right I have never given him a chance but how much longer are you and the rest of the clan prepared to give him? What is it with some fans you really get narked when anyone has a pop at AM there are far more fans off this site who cannot wait to see the back of him you must be blinkered if you think me and a few others are the only one's.
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Agree with a lot of what you said, but it's pretty obvious that there are people out there who can't look beyond his blues connection. Not rating him as a manager is a valid viewpoint, and I'm struggling to think of anyone who supports McLeish (myself included) who hasn't accepted that there have been mistakes made so far (or that he wouldn't have been many people's first choice for the job). I don't think you, or any of the other more reasonable posters on this site, are actually getting tarred with the Jizzy G brush.
There's been a lot of prejudgement regarding McCleish that now looks unwarranted, the main one for me being that his teams play dull football. Whilst I'm encouraged by the signs of a more technical style, it's still far too early to hang out the bunting. The hoofing has stopped, we do try and play it now more on the deck but until we start putting points on the board there's always going to be an unease about his management.
Obviously some will never give him a chance but most I imagine will be more than happy if he makes a success of the challenge - and it most certainly is a challenge. He's having to operate under restrictive conditions but that's still not an excuse considering the talent available to him. After 25 games into the season he needs to find a settled team that play to our strengths. As somebody mentioned earlier, if he can sort out the defence, we really could be a very decent team. It's been frustrating because despite the progress made we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot, something we can't hold McCleish responsible for but on something he will be ultimately judged.
My confidence in him is based more on those that surround him rather than just the man himself. In Kevin MacDonald and Sid, we have two exceptional coaches that can help turn McLeish into a Villa man and his team play the way we all long to see.
Some of the goals scored in the last few months are amongst the best quality that I can recall at villa in quite some time. The second against arsenal and the first against QPR being two examples. If he continues getting them playing like that, then I'll be happy.
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Got to admit when I look ahead I cannot see the association between Alex Mcleish and Aston Villa ending well. At that point I guess Dazzy and Compass will be very happy and expecting people to thank them when they say "I told you so".
I will never ever say "I told you so " but I tell you what that day cannot come quick enough. The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing boiling point . I don't know who is arranging the protest on Sunday or where exactly it is etc but do people on here not realise that this is really happening becuase I honestly think that some fans think it's a minority of fans it really isn't.
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point .
A Squeaky protest then ?
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
Glad to see that schooling wasn't wasted pauliewalnuts
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point .
They really should try Clearasil.
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Got to admit when I look ahead I cannot see the association between Alex Mcleish and Aston Villa ending well. At that point I guess Dazzy and Compass will be very happy and expecting people to thank them when they say "I told you so".
I will never ever say "I told you so " but I tell you what that day cannot come quick enough. The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing boiling point . I don't know who is arranging the protest on Sunday or where exactly it is etc but do people on here not realise that this is really happening becuase I honestly think that some fans think it's a minority of fans it really isn't.
You don't know where a protest is taking place when it's plastered across the front page of a website? of course.
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
Made me laugh!
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
Made me laugh!
It was a crude, yet effective joke.
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
Made me laugh!
It was a crude, yet effective joke.
It's a barrel of laughs on here, innit?
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
Made me laugh!
It was a crude, yet effective joke.
It's a barrel of laughs on here, innit?
You'll miss us when we're gone. Tankers for the memory.
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Post WW2 Villa Managers records in the first 23 games in order:
Rank Manager Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 John Gregory 23 17 4 2 39 16 23 55
2 Ron Atkinson 23 11 3 9 34 29 5 36
3 Alex Massie 23 10 5 8 35 27 8 35
4 Tony Barton 23 10 5 8 35 32 3 35
5 George Martin 23 8 7 8 35 33 2 31
6 Brian Little 23 7 9 7 28 26 2 30
7 David O'Leary 23 8 6 9 26 27 -1 30
8 Alex McLeish 23 6 10 7 28 31 -3 28
9 Graham Turner 23 7 7 9 31 38 -7 28
10 Jozef Venglos 23 6 9 8 24 24 0 27
11 Eric Houghton 23 8 3 12 36 44 -8 27
12 Martin O'Neill 23 5 11 7 24 28 -4 26
13 Gerard Houllier 23 6 8 9 29 38 -9 26
14 Graham Taylor 23 6 5 12 21 29 -8 23
15 Billy McNeill 23 5 8 10 29 43 -14 23
16 Dick Taylor 23 7 2 14 28 51 -23 23
Thats really interesting, thanks Legion. Surprising to see MON so low down on the list.
Also I'm so glad Graham Taylor was given a bit of time to stamp his mark on the club.
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
Made me laugh!
It was a crude, yet effective joke.
It's a barrel of laughs on here, innit?
You'll miss us when we're gone. Tankers for the memory.
Diesel go down is history.
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
Made me laugh!
It was a crude, yet effective joke.
It's a barrel of laughs on here, innit?
You'll miss us when we're gone. Tankers for the memory.
Diesel go down is history.
They're certainly getting well drilled.
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
Made me laugh!
It was a crude, yet effective joke.
It's a barrel of laughs on here, innit?
You'll miss us when we're gone. Tankers for the memory.
Diesel go down is history.
They're certainly getting well drilled.
Yep, the smooth efficiency of Stiliyan Petrol.
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And it's all good clean fun. Nothing crude at all.
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And it's all good clean fun. Nothing crude at all.
Oi(l)! I used that pun already. Although knowing you mods, you'll probably rig my posts and claim all the credit.
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So, When the players mess up it's not the fault of the manager but the players.
When the players score great goals, it's the manager who is responsible.
I think we need some balance, it is the manager who is responsible for the teams performance, you cannot pick and choose which bits he is responsible for. Also they are his players, you can't keep blaming a manager from 2 seasons ago for Warnocks poor form. It is up to the manager to get the results and performances from the players, if Warnock is playing poorly it is the managers responsibility, so it follows that Ireland's good form is also because of the manager.
I am not a fan of McLeish, but I do recognize the team have played well under him, we have also played poorly, we dont have any consistency, that is down to the manager.
This is McLeishs team, obviously he has not been helped with lack of funds, but we should judge him at the end of the season, because who knows how we will play, we could beat Citeh but just as easily get hammered.
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Yep, the smooth efficiency of Stiliyan Petrol.
Our season would have been so much better if we still had Oilof Mellberg at the back.
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So, When the players mess up it's not the fault of the manager but the players.
When the players score great goals, it's the manager who is responsible.
I think we need some balance, it is the manager who is responsible for the teams performance, you cannot pick and choose which bits he is responsible for. Also they are his players, you can't keep blaming a manager from 2 seasons ago for Warnocks poor form. It is up to the manager to get the results and performances from the players, if Warnock is playing poorly it is the managers responsibility, so it follows that Ireland's good form is also because of the manager.
I am not a fan of McLeish, but I do recognize the team have played well under him, we have also played poorly, we dont have any consistency, that is down to the manager.
This is McLeishs team, obviously he has not been helped with lack of funds, but we should judge him at the end of the season, because who knows how we will play, we could beat Citeh but just as easily get hammered.
As with Paulie's post, it works both ways. There have been enough people seemingly unwilling to give any credit to McLeish for any of the positive results (see people saying after the wolves game saying that he had to thank Keane for saving his job, completely ignoring the fact that it was McLeish who signed him, albeit on a short-term deal).
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If you had to live in Wolverhampton you would think everything was shit, I suppose.
I think if you lived in Wolvo your shit perception sensors would be burned out within 24 hours. You would become anaesthetised to shitness, shitness would envelop you like an old-gold egg-cosy of cack.
And you would grow old, decline and die, unaware of how shit everything was.
I was talking to a London-based colleague in the office today, and he made reference to the concept of model towns based on times gone by, and asked loudly: "For example, what's the name of that town set in the 19th century just outside Birmingham?" (meaning that Black Country Living Museum place).
I said "Wolverhampton?" and he nodded, oblivious to the piss take, the snidey London tossbucket.
.. would have been better if you said Tipton. last time I passed through there, they had made their own "Stonehenge" out of some old Morris Marinas
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Post WW2 Villa Managers records in the first 23 games in order:
Rank Manager Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 John Gregory 23 17 4 2 39 16 23 55
2 Ron Atkinson 23 11 3 9 34 29 5 36
3 Alex Massie 23 10 5 8 35 27 8 35
4 Tony Barton 23 10 5 8 35 32 3 35
5 George Martin 23 8 7 8 35 33 2 31
6 Brian Little 23 7 9 7 28 26 2 30
7 David O'Leary 23 8 6 9 26 27 -1 30
8 Alex McLeish 23 6 10 7 28 31 -3 28
9 Graham Turner 23 7 7 9 31 38 -7 28
10 Jozef Venglos 23 6 9 8 24 24 0 27
11 Eric Houghton 23 8 3 12 36 44 -8 27
12 Martin O'Neill 23 5 11 7 24 28 -4 26
13 Gerard Houllier 23 6 8 9 29 38 -9 26
14 Graham Taylor 23 6 5 12 21 29 -8 23
15 Billy McNeill 23 5 8 10 29 43 -14 23
16 Dick Taylor 23 7 2 14 28 51 -23 23
Thats really interesting, thanks Legion. Surprising to see MON so low down on the list.
Also I'm so glad Graham Taylor was given a bit of time to stamp his mark on the club.
No Ron Saunders or Vic Crowe in that list ? or am I missing something ?
**just seen First Divison only cheers.
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First division only.
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How come Sir Graham's in there and Ron Saunders isn't then?
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How come Sir Graham's in there and Ron Saunders isn't then?
Second coming I thought Dave...
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How come Sir Graham's in there and Ron Saunders isn't then?
Second coming I thought Dave...
Ah. Of course.
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I worry that all this talk of protests against McLeish has really put the Exxon him.
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I worry that all this talk of protests against McLeish has really put the Exxon him.
He looked a Shell of a man on tv the last night.
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I can see I am going to have so much fun against certain people on here......you know who you are. Ha ha.
I bet **** knows all about lubrcation thats if the rumours are to be believed
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This thread's really going down the sump.
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This thread's really going down the sump.
** knows far too much about lubrication and being taken from behind
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I can see I am going to have so much fun against certain people on here......you know who you are. Ha ha.
I bet **** knows all about lubrcation thats if the rumours are to be believed
How pathetic can you get?
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And it's all good clean fun. Nothing crude at all.
Oi(l)! I used that pun already. Although knowing you mods, you'll probably rig my posts and claim all the credit.
Well said. No need to fuel further speculation.
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Total-ly right
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This thread's really going down the sump.
** knows far too much about lubrication and being taken from behind
Same shit homophobic "joke" two posts running.
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Are you reading this Dave Woodhall? I thought offending a fellow forum member was not allowed? Or is it a case of one rule for one and one rule for another.
In answer to Toronto Villa why have you suddenly piped up out of the blue? Your right I have never given him a chance but how much longer are you and the rest of the clan prepared to give him? What is it with some fans you really get narked when anyone has a pop at AM there are far more fans off this site who cannot wait to see the back of him you must be blinkered if you think me and a few others are the only one's.
The only one's what? What does one want?
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How come Sir Graham's in there and Ron Saunders isn't then?
Because he went to Blues so is instantly disliked by 'everyone'.
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How come Sir Graham's in there and Ron Saunders isn't then?
Because he went to Blues so is instantly disliked by 'everyone'.
Yeah, the dirty turncoat. And you're not a proper fan if you disagree with that.
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Here's a question:- how much better would this Villa side be if the defence was sorted?
We're certainly capable of scoring ourselves and the recent performances (probably since Arsenal at home in the league) have shown some good, if not consistent, attacking play. If we cut out the stupid mistakes at the back how far up the table would that propel us?
And in the answer to that I think you find the true direction of where McLeish is taking us. Due to finances he hasn't been able to put his own stamp on the back 4, so if and when he does, I think we'll see a pretty useful Villa side.
John,
It's probably already been answered, but I'm playing catch-up. With a decent defence you'd be able to knock off at least 50% of our goals against, surley that would have us in pretty good stead.
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In answer to Toronto Villa why have you suddenly piped up out of the blue?
Fair point, can anybody who has not previously contributed to this thread desist from doing so now, as you would only be 'piping up out of the blue' and we don't want to startle dazzy. I mean what do you think this is, some kind of open internet forum?!
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In answer to Toronto Villa why have you suddenly piped up out of the blue?
Fair point, can anybody who has not previously contributed to this thread desist from doing so now, as you would only be 'piping up out of the blue' and we don't want to startle dazzy. I mean what do you think this is, some kind of open internet forum?!
To be fair to the apparently homophobic twat, I'd imagine that was a pun on the "oiling" typo!
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In answer to Toronto Villa why have you suddenly piped up out of the blue?
Fair point, can anybody who has not previously contributed to this thread desist from doing so now, as you would only be 'piping up out of the blue' and we don't want to startle dazzy. I mean what do you think this is, some kind of open internet forum?!
To be fair to the apparently homophobic twat, I'd imagine that was a pun on the "oiling" typo!
Fair enough. I think this should be a platform for everyone. Otherwise it would be far from a barrel of laughs.
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We all know where the Dip Stick is
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
Did Derrick speak?
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
Did Derrick speak?
Speak or squeak?
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The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing oiling point
That's pretty slick.
Did Derrick speak?
Speak or squeak?
His favourite band is WD40. The did Kingston Town if I am right.
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This thread's really going down the sump.
** knows far too much about lubrication and being taken from behind
Please desist with this homophobia. It maybe ok on other websites, but here we're more refined.
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Got to admit when I look ahead I cannot see the association between Alex Mcleish and Aston Villa ending well. At that point I guess Dazzy and Compass will be very happy and expecting people to thank them when they say "I told you so".
I will never ever say "I told you so " but I tell you what that day cannot come quick enough. The feeling amongst a large section of fans is nearing boiling point . I don't know who is arranging the protest on Sunday or where exactly it is etc but do people on here not realise that this is really happening becuase I honestly think that some fans think it's a minority of fans it really isn't.
Given that you've taken your views almost word for word from the front page of the protest website, I think you do know about the protest on Sunday.
As for it being a minority of fans, we'll see after Sunday won't we. My guess is 12. Of the others 8 will have been grounded by their parents, 3 won't have been able to find an appproriate bedsheet to write on and 4 will have got lost and given up shortly after leaving their front door. I'm sure you'll be along slightly after it's finished/not actually happened to lend them your support.
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Having read most of the thread it's my view that the people protesting are a motley collection of spoilt children and deluded wankers. How can you fail to see that the club needs your support now? They should all be sprayed with indelible paint so that we can recognise and ridicule them in the future
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With regard to protesting....
When Ellis was in charge there was a near univeral opinion that he was the route of all our problems and he was the focal point of the anger / dissapointment / negativity, the manager in place did get flak but usually Ellis bore the brunt of all the protests.
Now we have an owner who is still regarded by many as still having allot of credit in the bank so the protestors aim elsewhere. Unfortunately for McL its him.
I am no fan of the manager but I would like him to succeed because if he succeeds then we do as well. But without the proper backing from above he is always likely to struggle [and his style of play also adds to the problems] but would another manager have faired any better?
I think that the board gave him a simple guide 'Keep us up, and get rid of the deadwood' and thats exactly what he will do.
Its a very short term strategy and who knows maybe it is all part of RL's exit strategy [its what I would do] so maybe if they are going to protest how about protesting against the overal strategy and direction of the club, and stop making it only about the manager.
Perhaps its time we got behind him, and made our feelings known to the board that we want him backed not sacked.
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It has finally hit me....
I know things are bad but I for one am going to get behind the team and most importantly the manager!
Booing and protesting does not help the club and the morons doing this are not looking at the bigger picture... this is not McLeish's Fault!
He has inherited a squad that did useless last year... MINUS ITS 2 BEST PLAYERS
He has done some good deals in the transfer market to be fair... exceptions being; Jenas, who was a gamble and Hutton, who looked very good when on loan at sunderland... the rest have or will work out i am sure (NZogbia)
(People need to stop the Hutton for L Young comments as L Young moved on for FAMILY REASONS and to be fair we had no cover as Cuellar is not a right back leaving only unproven youth players... and warnock on paper has been an international so from his perspective he joined having a left back!)
If we sack him... There is no one else that will come to villa and take the top job that isnt either unproven or useless... Looking at Mcliesh's CV he has done well at all clubs except for the Blues, and they didnt have the best of squads and possibly the worst board of directors ever to be in the premiership! - so you can forgive him for relegating them twice (in anything we should credit him for that...)
The reality is...
He isnt a world class manager... but he is probably the best manager we could get given our club situation (both current position and future prospects including the transfer kitty)...
It isnt McLeish's fault MON left the club with an inflated wage bill and aging players, it isnt his fault all of our star players have been sold and it isnt his fault that Randy is no longer acting as the sugar daddy we had hoped!
He has shown we are good going forward and has admitted the back needs to change, which it will this summer, he hasnt had the chance or money... And as people are starting to realise, we stop shipping goals and we are in the top half of the table.
Give him another 18 Months then judge him!
BIG ECK'S CLARET & BLUE ARMY!
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EDIT: In fact, let's see how this folds out.
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I have had a season ticket for the last 24 years!
Been to wembly in 94 and 96 to see us beat Man U & leeds... Enough of a "fan" for you?
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I have had a season ticket for the last 24 years!
Been to wembly in 94 and 96 to see us beat Man U & leeds... Enough of a "fan" for you?
Having re-read your post, you may have just joined at a very coincidental time!
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Lol no worries.. joined a while ago, but usually just read... Really embarrassed by the talk sport call ins and protests!
We are as bad as Geordies at the minute!
So felt the need to say something! (if only t air my frustrations)
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With regard to protesting....
When Ellis was in charge there was a near univeral opinion that he was the route of all our problems and he was the focal point of the anger / dissapointment / negativity, the manager in place did get flak but usually Ellis bore the brunt of all the protests.
Now we have an owner who is still regarded by many as still having allot of credit in the bank so the protestors aim elsewhere. Unfortunately for McL its him.
I am no fan of the manager but I would like him to succeed because if he succeeds then we do as well. But without the proper backing from above he is always likely to struggle [and his style of play also adds to the problems] but would another manager have faired any better?
I think that the board gave him a simple guide 'Keep us up, and get rid of the deadwood' and thats exactly what he will do.
Its a very short term strategy and who knows maybe it is all part of RL's exit strategy [its what I would do] so maybe if they are going to protest how about protesting against the overal strategy and direction of the club, and stop making it only about the manager.
Perhaps its time we got behind him, and made our feelings known to the board that we want him backed not sacked.
It has finally hit me....
I know things are bad but I for one am going to get behind the team and most importantly the manager!
Booing and protesting does not help the club and the morons doing this are not looking at the bigger picture... this is not McLeish's Fault!
He has inherited a squad that did useless last year... MINUS ITS 2 BEST PLAYERS
He has done some good deals in the transfer market to be fair... exceptions being; Jenas, who was a gamble and Hutton, who looked very good when on loan at sunderland... the rest have or will work out i am sure (NZogbia)
(People need to stop the Hutton for L Young comments as L Young moved on for FAMILY REASONS and to be fair we had no cover as Cuellar is not a right back leaving only unproven youth players... and warnock on paper has been an international so from his perspective he joined having a left back!)
If we sack him... There is no one else that will come to villa and take the top job that isnt either unproven or useless... Looking at Mcliesh's CV he has done well at all clubs except for the Blues, and they didnt have the best of squads and possibly the worst board of directors ever to be in the premiership! - so you can forgive him for relegating them twice (in anything we should credit him for that...)
The reality is...
He isnt a world class manager... but he is probably the best manager we could get given our club situation (both current position and future prospects including the transfer kitty)...
It isnt McLeish's fault MON left the club with an inflated wage bill and aging players, it isnt his fault all of our star players have been sold and it isnt his fault that Randy is no longer acting as the sugar daddy we had hoped!
He has shown we are good going forward and has admitted the back needs to change, which it will this summer, he hasnt had the chance or money... And as people are starting to realise, we stop shipping goals and we are in the top half of the table.
Give him another 18 Months then judge him!
BIG ECK'S CLARET & BLUE ARMY!
You know, I'm with both of you and somewhere in between as well. I'm probably with the Army in a fetching shade of aubergine.X
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You know, I'm with both of you and somewhere in between as well.
Lucky them. ;) ;D
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I feel a bit sorry for AM these days. He's shown he is willing to try and learn from his mistakes, such as the debacle at Spurs with Heskey and Hutton in midfield, and being over cautious. He's realised that the fans are more likely to be won over if the team at least has a go, shows a bit of fight, and tries to play abit of football instead of focusing on damage limitation and stopping the opposition. Which didn't work anyway. He was left trying to replace an entire crap defence and our two best players with only about 15m quid to play with and not able to increase the wage bill, which even restricted the number of loan signings. Okay the results still leave a lot to be desired but you can see he is trying, and it's difficult to imagine many other managers doing much better under those circumstances, except maybe MON who might have got more out of the sub-standard defenders he signed. Assuming he can keep us up, I think he desereves the chance to clear out the overpaid underperfromers in the summer and build his own squad, especially the defence. I wouldn't be surprised to see him try to reunite Dann and Johnson, neither of whom have set the world on fire at their new clubs. He hasn't won me over completely, he still makes some odd decisions, but I think he's done enough to deserve a little bit of backing.
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You know what kt? I was thinking Dann and Johnson wouldn't be a bad idea for next season, but I was scared to say anything.
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Dann yes, but I don't think Johnson is any better than what we already have.
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Dann yes, but I don't think Johnson is any better than what we already have.
He's better than James Collins, I reckon.
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Dann yes, but I don't think Johnson is any better than what we already have.
He's better than James Collins, I reckon.
We could just give Heskey a one year extension and see how he does at centre half........................................runs away
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Dann yes, but I don't think Johnson is any better than what we already have.
He's better than James Collins, I reckon.
Much of a muchness. Both at their best when it is backs to the wall, get your head on everything but limited otherwise.
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Dann yes, but I don't think Johnson is any better than what we already have.
He's better than James Collins, I reckon.
We could just give Heskey a one year extension and see how he does at centre half........................................runs away
He'd do better than Fabian Delph there!
With the Johnson/Collins issue I think the thing is Dann is a great orgainiser, so was Johnson's brains for him. I'd imagine the same thing with Collins, hence improving him as a player. If you look how the Small Heath defence fell apart aftyer Dann's injury, you can clearly see who their biggest influence was.
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If Rovers stay up, and sell Samba, they won't want to sell Dann. Just a thought...
If they go down, I assume they'd probably have to sell both.
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Of course McLeish will get the whole season but the results need to start improving before then especially at home games. I'll be very concerned if we drift much further down the league.
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Dann seems to be the main man, the Terry Butcher, and Johnson the Russel Osman, but like the Ipswich two, they worked very well as a pair, which is important at CB.
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Dann-Clark has the potential to be a fantastic CB pairing imo. They can both also pass the ball well (for CB's) neither are hoof merchants like we have at the minute. Both can read the game and are many multiple time more intelligent than the Chuckle Brothers.
Dann would be a superb and relatively low cost option imo, he had a fantastic season last year nd went for £5m (thanks to SHA's finances). Luckily Venkys are even more stupid than Yeung & co.
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You know what kt? I was thinking Dann and Johnson wouldn't be a bad idea for next season, but I was scared to say anything.
Half a relegated defence with Hutton and Warnock? Shay would get a lot of practice in that line up.
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I know but wasn't the main problem that they scored hardly any goals?
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Yeah but the entire team defended to be fair so whilst the problem was a lack of goals there was a hell of a lot of help for the defence. Could be a reason as to why Dann hasnt been in form as much as last year. But i still think Dann would be a good buy and would do very well with Clark at CB.
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Good luck tomorrow Alex McLeish and Aston Villa FC.
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Good luck tomorrow Alex McLeish and Aston Villa FC.
we will also have the backing of some 33 million Man Utd fans worldwide
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Dann yes, but I don't think Johnson is any better than what we already have.
Oh dear-Delph at centre back? No. Sorry Mr Nash, that is not the way forward. Getting some good young players in from our youth set up is the way forward at present. It is not ideal, as they need some experienced heads amongst them. We do have those 'experienced heads', so to speak, but they never seem to lead by example....it is a frustrating experience supporting Villa...but still, I could never protest like a spoilt child,I could never boo a player wearing a Villa shirt, and I will be ranting, raving and cheering on the lads like a madman against City. Come on you Villa boys!
He's better than James Collins, I reckon.
We could just give Heskey a one year extension and see how he does at centre half........................................runs away
He'd do better than Fabian Delph there!
With the Johnson/Collins issue I think the thing is Dann is a great orgainiser, so was Johnson's brains for him. I'd imagine the same thing with Collins, hence improving him as a player. If you look how the Small Heath defence fell apart aftyer Dann's injury, you can clearly see who their biggest influence was.
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Good luck tomorrow Alex McLeish and Aston Villa FC.
we will also have the backing of some 33 million Man Utd fans worldwide
Fair enough. I wanted them to beat the Ku Klux Klan today.
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Good luck tomorrow Alex McLeish and Aston Villa FC.
we will also have the backing of some 33 million Man Utd fans worldwide
Fair enough. I wanted them to beat the Ku Klux Klan today.
me too
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At least he's said he does believe he has money to spend in the summer, which is good to hear.
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Not really. It means the board will give him another season even if he finishes poorly, he would waste more money like he has with Hutton and N'Zogbia already (around 14 million) and when he builds his own team they will play the worst football imaginable and go down without any fight.
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Dann-Clark has the potential to be a fantastic CB pairing imo. They can both also pass the ball well (for CB's) neither are hoof merchants like we have at the minute. Both can read the game and are many multiple time more intelligent than the Chuckle Brothers.
Dann would be a superb and relatively low cost option imo, he had a fantastic season last year nd went for £5m (thanks to SHA's finances). Luckily Venkys are even more stupid than Yeung & co.
Just noticed this post. Dann has been diabolical for Blackburn. Ask the Rovers fans, they don't rate him one bit, especially considering they paid alot of money for him.
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Not really. It means the board will give him another season even if he finishes poorly, he would waste more money like he has with Hutton and N'Zogbia already (around 14 million) and when he builds his own team they will play the worst football imaginable and go down without any fight.
Glad I don't have one of your crystal balls. Life would be far too depressing.
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I feel a bit sorry for AM these days. He's shown he is willing to try and learn from his mistakes, such as the debacle at Spurs with Heskey and Hutton in midfield, and being over cautious. He's realised that the fans are more likely to be won over if the team at least has a go, shows a bit of fight, and tries to play abit of football instead of focusing on damage limitation and stopping the opposition. Which didn't work anyway. He was left trying to replace an entire crap defence and our two best players with only about 15m quid to play with and not able to increase the wage bill, which even restricted the number of loan signings. Okay the results still leave a lot to be desired but you can see he is trying, and it's difficult to imagine many other managers doing much better under those circumstances, except maybe MON who might have got more out of the sub-standard defenders he signed. Assuming he can keep us up, I think he desereves the chance to clear out the overpaid underperfromers in the summer and build his own squad, especially the defence. I wouldn't be surprised to see him try to reunite Dann and Johnson, neither of whom have set the world on fire at their new clubs. He hasn't won me over completely, he still makes some odd decisions, but I think he's done enough to deserve a little bit of backing.
Posted this last weeka nd would like to take this back after yesterday's reversion to type. Clearly hasn't learned his lesson at all.
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Whilst I won't be on any protest march against AMc and will fully support this great football club, I think that after yesterday, I really wouldn't care if he left or was sacked. I fail to see what this Manager can bring to the table any longer. I was always one of those wait and see people to the end of the season, and if I'm honest he'll get to at least that point after initially thinking that my inaccurate prophecy of being "gone by Xmas" would come to fruition.
I expected that team selection, I expected the tactics and I expected the result, but the deluded justification of it on Sky was beyond belief. He is protecting himself hugely I feel. Randy needs to take a good long look at himself and what he has in his possession. Will he be able to? Will he want to? Who knows...
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I feel a bit sorry for AM these days. He's shown he is willing to try and learn from his mistakes, such as the debacle at Spurs with Heskey and Hutton in midfield, and being over cautious. He's realised that the fans are more likely to be won over if the team at least has a go, shows a bit of fight, and tries to play abit of football instead of focusing on damage limitation and stopping the opposition. Which didn't work anyway. He was left trying to replace an entire crap defence and our two best players with only about 15m quid to play with and not able to increase the wage bill, which even restricted the number of loan signings. Okay the results still leave a lot to be desired but you can see he is trying, and it's difficult to imagine many other managers doing much better under those circumstances, except maybe MON who might have got more out of the sub-standard defenders he signed. Assuming he can keep us up, I think he desereves the chance to clear out the overpaid underperfromers in the summer and build his own squad, especially the defence. I wouldn't be surprised to see him try to reunite Dann and Johnson, neither of whom have set the world on fire at their new clubs. He hasn't won me over completely, he still makes some odd decisions, but I think he's done enough to deserve a little bit of backing.
Posted this last weeka nd would like to take this back after yesterday's reversion to type. Clearly hasn't learned his lesson at all.
Quite right