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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: The Walshmeister on November 27, 2011, 08:45:55 PM
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Where was he?
Have heard a players revolt may be happening about formation and style of play. Went to see McLeish and now he's not on bench.....
Just saying loike!
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He had a hamstring injury supposedly..
But saying that McLeish did say yesterday that there were no fitness concerns ahead of the game.
Cant see that BS story you just posted being true though.
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Players revolt my arse.
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Where have you heard that from?
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From the last days of Dolly to GHou/GaryMac's bust-ups with players we must have the most revolting players in the history of football.
Disgusting!
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Apparently he busted himself off a door frame.
He was walking into the dressing room but for no reason what-so-ever instead of just going straight ahead he decided to go sideways.
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I like Stan and I think he's been very good this season and he's a great guy, seems to always have time for the fans. But imo he needs to go. He's a big influence on our very poor midfield.
He's a defensive minded midfielder, but doesn't have the legs to break up the play and put himself about and seems inable to move the ball forwards effectively. When we play him we also need to play another DM to do the donkey work that usually comes with the main DM role. So Herd or Delph (who is actually a playmaker). It adds to how defensive we our set up. We need a proper Defensive Midfielder to allow our better midfielders to get forward and score goals. Im hoping that player is Herd or he can atleast be a decent backup to this new DM. as Herd is great as cover for many positions.
When we play Petrov we also need another DM. Getting a new DM (maybe even Herd as full time DM?) it would allow us to then have a proper midfield 3 of a DM, Playmaker and an Attacker. You could see the difference in the last 12 minutes today when we stopped playing with two people playing as DM's and started playing a Playmaker in Bannan and a more advanced mid in Jenas.
I guess im trying to say that Petrov is a waste of a place in our starting 11. He adds much needed experience to the midfield and has played well this year and has actually gotten forward a bit.. but hes defensively minded and you can see it in his (always backwards) passing. We need our own Tiote.
My choice would be Etienne Capoue from Toulouse, I think he's a fantastic player but anyone who can do the role well would be great.. Also replacing Heskey with a new Attacking Mid to cover Gardner would also be handy as Heskey will be gone next year. (I'd even be tempted to buy Craig Gardner as a backup to Gary, playing with his brother at his boyhood club might help keep the lad in a couple of years time)
Giving us a midfield of
-------------Capoue (Herd)
-------Gardner(s)---Bannan (Delph)
A new DM/a new AM over Petrov and Heskey would give us a much much better midfield. I think we would start seeing an improvement in our defence without constant barrage because we cant move the ball forwards. You could see it aswell for five minutes after Heskey came off. we lost all our momentum because the gameplan was Hoof to Heskey. It took five minutes for the team to adjust and we created a lot more chances because of it.
Oh... and no chance has there been another player revolt.
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He came off with a tight hamstring (or some leg issue) v Spurs and McLeish said he'd take no risks given the number of upcoming games we have.
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He threw a hissy fit after reading so many disgruntled views on H&V and called McLeish a slag, before nutting Paul Faulkner, both of whom have apparently ripped the very soul out of Villa. This currently 8th placed team is the worst in the entire history of Aston Villa, nay football full stop.
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He's still trying to get to the stadium. He can only go sideways or backwards so its difficult for him.
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I like Stan and I think he's been very good this season and he's a great guy, seems to always have time for the fans. But imo he needs to go. He's a big influence on our very poor midfield.
He's a defensive minded midfielder, but doesn't have the legs to break up the play and put himself about and seems inable to move the ball forwards effectively. When we play him we also need to play another DM to do the donkey work that usually comes with the main DM role. So Herd or Delph (who is actually a playmaker). It adds to how defensive we our set up. We need a proper Defensive Midfielder to allow our better midfielders to get forward and score goals. Im hoping that player is Herd or he can atleast be a decent backup to this new DM. as Herd is great as cover for many positions.
When we play Petrov we also need another DM. Getting a new DM (maybe even Herd as full time DM?) it would allow us to then have a proper midfield 3 of a DM, Playmaker and an Attacker. You could see the difference in the last 12 minutes today when we stopped playing with two people playing as DM's and started playing a Playmaker in Bannan and a more advanced mid in Jenas.
I guess im trying to say that Petrov is a waste of a place in our starting 11. He adds much needed experience to the midfield and has played well this year and has actually gotten forward a bit.. but hes defensively minded and you can see it in his (always backwards) passing. We need our own Tiote.
My choice would be Etienne Capoue from Toulouse, I think he's a fantastic player but anyone who can do the role well would be great.. Also replacing Heskey with a new DM to cover Gardner would also be handy as Heskey will be gone next year. (I'd even be tempted to buy Craig Gardner as a backup to Gary, playing with his brother at his boyhood club might help keep the lad)
Giving us a midfield of
-------------Capoue (Herd)
-------Gardner(s)---Bannan (Delph)
A new DM/a new AM over Petrov and Heskey would give us a much much better midfield. I think we would start seeing an improvement in our defence without constant barrage because we cant move the ball forwards. You could see it aswell for five minutes after Heskey came off. we lost all our momentum because the gameplan was Hoof to Heskey. It took five minutes for the team to adjust and we created a lot more chances because of it.
Oh... and no chance has there been another player revolt.
Hard to fault any of your ideas. Someone's been playing Football Manager ;)
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Do you expect our current incumbent to sign the next 'Petrov'. - We wont see his like down Villa Park for many a long time.
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Do you expect our current incumbent to sign the next 'Petrov'. - We wont see his like down Villa Park for many a long time.
No I fully expect us to sign Steven Davis within minutes of Jenas' loan deal ending.
But one can dream.
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Herd played very well today I thought in the Stan role.
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Where was he?
Have heard a players revolt may be happening about formation and style of play. Went to see McLeish and now he's not on bench.....
Rubbish. he makes no impact when he is in the side, so I am surprised that you noticed he wasn't playing.
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Herd played very well today I thought in the Stan role.
Yes, I've been quite impressed by him. Slightly concerned that he's a bit full-blooded at times and will pick up lots of cards, but he'll learn to be a bit more savvy about that with experience.
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I like Herd but passing-wise he's even more conservative than Stan.
I look at Newcastle's midfielders of Ben Arfa, Tiote (injured at the moment) and Cabaye, how much they cost, see how many points ahead of us they are and it makes me want to weep.
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I like Herd but passing-wise he's even more conservative than Stan.
I think it's because he's a junior member of the squad, when the senior Dunne or Collins shout for the ball, he gives it to them instead of telling them to do one. He'll learn.
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Herd has done pretty well I reckon. In terms of his passing he's pretty conservative but that just strikes me as a player petrified of making a mistake.
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The future of our central midfield has got to be bannan, jenas and herd/clark. Delph isn't good enough
If petrov had played yesterday he would have made no difference whatsover.
We need to be giving our not so young youngsters game time, not floundering along with the likes of heskey and petrov
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Players revolt? Revolting more like, I'm sure I could teach Mcshit a thing or two about tactics and no they aint mints
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A future midfield fills me with hope.
Carruthers Herd Gardner Bannan.
May be Albrighton ilo of Carruthers if he wakes up and smells the onions!
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That midfield fills me with worry.
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Herd played very well today I thought in the Stan role.
Yes, I've been quite impressed by him. Slightly concerned that he's a bit full-blooded at times and will pick up lots of cards, but he'll learn to be a bit more savvy about that with experience.
During our good spell in the 2nd half yesterday, I was thinking that Herd was probably my man of the match (and then I decided that we didn't really have a man of the match). He certainly would have been if the header had gone in. I don't think Stan would have got into that position. Like you, I'm a bit concerned about his aggressive tackling. He does tend to go in with both feet and against West Brom he probably should have been booked before the red-that-wasn't. One of his strong points is his anticipation: he breaks up a lot of opposition moves. On the negative side, he doesn't (yet) produce the defence-splitting pass. But there's a lot of promise there.
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Herd played very well today I thought in the Stan role.
Yes, I've been quite impressed by him. Slightly concerned that he's a bit full-blooded at times and will pick up lots of cards, but he'll learn to be a bit more savvy about that with experience.
I'm always wary of bigging up these defensive midfield types as Hoggy was being hyped last year by some and is now in the championship but Herd looks to have a little more about him as I thought his passing was decent in the second half.
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I like Herd but passing-wise he's even more conservative than Stan.
I look at Newcastle's midfielders of Ben Arfa, Tiote (injured at the moment) and Cabaye, how much they cost, see how many points ahead of us they are and it makes me want to weep.
Well we did sign one from France. Maybe with a bit more patience Makoun could've been our Tiote or Cabaye as Cabaye's first decent game was against us and that was in mid September.
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I still think it was insane to ship out Makoun, even more so in light of the midfield we've been playing of late.
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I still think it was insane to ship out Makoun, even more so in light of the midfield we've been playing of late.
has makoun been playing in greece?
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I don't know, but whether he has or hasn't he wasn't given a fair chance at Villa.
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because Macoun and BB are not the type of players that Mcliesh wants, he played Hutton and Heskey in midfield remember because whether we like it or not, they are the type of players he prefers
as for Petrov, i think he's the most underated player at Villa, we do miss him when he doesnt play
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I believe Petrovs replacement is currently gaining match fitness at Coventry.
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And a very good loan spell it will prove to be.
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A future midfield fills me with hope.
Carruthers Herd Gardner Bannan.
May be Albrighton ilo of Carruthers if he wakes up and smells the onions!
Ooh dear that would be awful! Our future midfield is (for me) definitely:
Herd*
Gardner Crowley
Grealish Graham
With backups of Bannan, Albrighton, Robinson and Clark (if needed)
Keeping the kids is going to be the biggest thing for the future of the club. Gardner, Graham, Grealish and Crowley are all tipped to be real top class players in their positions, if (IF!) they all keep progressing and fully meet their potential we could honestly be producing one of the best midfields in the league. If we want to get anywhere near the Champions League in the next 10 years, the only way we can do it is to hope these kids can meet their potential, the manager at the time bloods them in properly, and we manage to keep them!
Big if though when your talking about 4 players, 3 of which are 15/16.
*Only if he can keep up this form can see this position being the one we need to bring somebody in to do in a couple of years.
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Loaning out Makoun and then selecting Hutton and Heskey (and to an extent Herd as well) in midfield against Spurs do not strike me as the actions of a manager interested in playing actual football, or who actually has a clue how to do it anyway.
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Interesting point about Makoun, most of us have forgotten about him. Maybe Herd & Makoun would have made a decent partnership. I think we have enough of the right sort of players now for centre midfield to not have to pick Heskey in that role. Delph, Petrov, Herd, Bannan, Ireland, Jenas and maybe Clark. Surely a decent trio could be made from that lot?
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Loaning out Makoun and then selecting Hutton and Heskey (and to an extent Herd as well) in midfield against Spurs do not strike me as the actions of a manager interested in playing actual football, or who actually has a clue how to do it anyway.
Perhaps the manager will say he was just using Hutton as cover as Jenas was ineligible to play. What ever reason, that is poor planning as, what will happen if we get a couple of more injuries in midfield. We are already playing every game with a striker in midfield!!! Yet, we hear there will be no January transfer activity; unless Bent or Gabby are sold of course.
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It is quite a situation where there's a midfield on the bench that would actually beat the midfield on the pitch, which is being ignored by a manager who appears not to be able to spot that.
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The future of our central midfield has got to be bannan, jenas and herd/clark. Delph isn't good enough
If petrov had played yesterday he would have made no difference whatsover.
We need to be giving our not so young youngsters game time, not floundering along with the likes of heskey and petrov
Do not like to admit it but i also think Delph is out of his league. Already i would say Gardner is way further ahead in terms of ability and presence. He is lacking confidence. But does not look comfortable on the ball and dives into every tackle with terrible timing ..........
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Herd played very well today I thought in the Stan role.
Yes, I've been quite impressed by him. Slightly concerned that he's a bit full-blooded at times and will pick up lots of cards, but he'll learn to be a bit more savvy about that with experience.
And learning that passing is traditionally something you do to players in the same colour shirt as you are wearing. Other than that I think he is starting to come to terms with the big boys quite well.
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Any idea how makoun is doing on loan , i would have liked to see him given a chance by mcleish.
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Herd played very well today I thought in the Stan role.
Yes, I've been quite impressed by him. Slightly concerned that he's a bit full-blooded at times and will pick up lots of cards, but he'll learn to be a bit more savvy about that with experience.
And learning that passing is traditionally something you do to players in the same colour shirt as you are wearing. Other than that I think he is starting to come to terms with the big boys quite well.
I don't think that's a valid criticism. He's a little safe with his passing but I don't think he gives it away.
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Any idea how makoun is doing on loan , i would have liked to see him given a chance by mcleish.
Hardly featuring last report I saw.
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Any idea how makoun is doing on loan , i would have liked to see him given a chance by mcleish.
Hardly featuring last report I saw.
Looks like we wont get our money back on him then if thats the case.
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So Stan would happily swap with any LFC player to fulfil his dream/ambition of playing for them. Dream on Sweatrov >>>> http://bit.ly/t9X3f0
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Disgusting.
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Time to ship him off
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Oh dear.
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Let's swap him for Downing!
*runs off*
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This is getting beyond a joke
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The timing is poor and he's daft to say stuff like this to a journalist. Light the torches.
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Words of wisdom from our former captain there
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Clearly wants out of the Club but won't ask for a transfer and lose his fee. It's almost like a plea to MON to come and get him. Shame as I always liked him but that's disrespectful to our club and fans.
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Ah just another gem to add to the calamity that is Villa at the moment.
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I'm surprised the OS haven't done an article on it saying how "fab" it us that Petrov has always aspired to play for the mighty Liverpool
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I quite like Stan as a person. That's poor from him though, and it's not as if you can really interpret him meaning anything else from those quotes.
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to be fair he's just saying he's a bindipper fan. Its not like he's angling for a move is it. He's got no chance in that direction anyway.
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Can someone please sit down and explain to our players, as a group, that it's really not acceptable to air these type of views to the media.
You'd think the captain, a player who's been at the club a few years would understand anyway. Mind you given the way the last manager behaved up there and other players comments in the past, you begin to wonder if the club from the top down are happy to accept their position as scouse/manc/cockney lapdogs.
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I think he's been on the crack pipe
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Clearly wants out of the Club but won't ask for a transfer and lose his fee. It's almost like a plea to MON to come and get him.
Do a deal and send emule as well
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He may end up playing in Liverpool soon. Do Tranmere need a sideways passing midfielder who is knackered after an hour?
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Incredibly insensitive from the captain.
A Houllier, touch the crest type foot in mouth.
As some one who watched his debut and thought, "wow we could have someone here", to "well I like him and think he gets slagged off to much" my thought tonight is fuck off and join MON !!!
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Incredibly insensitive from the captain.
A Houllier, touch the crest type foot in mouth.
As some one who watched his debut and thought, "wow we could have someone here", to "well I like him and think he gets slagged off to much" my thought tonight is fuck off and join MON !!!
does he know MON has gone to Sunderland and not liverpool .
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It's got quote marks but wait for the... "what I said has been taken out of context" form of apology.
Footballers really are a clueless bunch of people.
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What a plank. He's been in the game long enough to know better than that.
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Actually, I think it says everything about how far removed your average premier league player is from the fans.
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Oh dear.
What possible good could have come from this? For a senior member of the squad, it is pretty brainless stuff.
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Then again if they paid 20m for Henderson we might get a few bob from them.
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Unbelievable! Truly a kick in the teeth for everyone at the club. When your club captain comes out with a statement like that, then I despair.
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The scary thing is that it shows that in football, even one of the more intelligent, studious and sensible players still has the capacity to act like an utter berk.
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Actually, I think it says everything about how far removed your average premier league player is from the fans.
Agreed. But that's life. Petrov's obviously flunked his latest let's seduce Villa fans assignment.
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Oh well, the chairman's just as bad with his cringeworthy "I got a letter from Sir Alex, he wrote it himself, I'm going to treasure it for ever and ever" routine.
if he shook his hand on Saturday, he'll probably never wash again.
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I can forgive him his silly comments. Much more annoying has been having to watch his mostly mediocre performances at the heart of the team for the last five years. Over rated and over used.
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Just imagine Stevie 'hubcap' Gerrard telling the press how he'd love to trade his place with Michael Carrick. Hate the bloke but it just wouldn't happen. Nor would any othe captain in the league do anything like that. Not happy.
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This article helps clear some of this up for me. In case anyone hasn't read it, the Petrov comments were taken from 442 magazine where some kids got to ask questions.
http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7510787
1/Would you rather fight three Didier Drogbas or a rhino ?
2/If you were an animal .what would you be ?
3/ Which player would you swap places with for a WEEK ?
'I'd swap with a Liverpool player because I 'm a Liverpool fan. It'd be great to have that experience , but dreams don't always come true. I've been a Liverpool fan since I was a boy.
4/Who is the Prem's greatest player ever ?
5/What's the most disgusting food you've ever tasted ?
6/ If you were captain of a five-a-side-team, which players would you pick to join you ?
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I want to know if he'd take on 3 Drogbas or 1 Richard Dunne.
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This article helps clear some of this up for me. In case anyone hasn't read it, the Petrov comments were taken from 442 magazine where some kids got to ask questions.
http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7510787
1/Would you rather fight three Didier Drogbas or a rhino ?
2/If you were an animal .what would you be ?
3/ Which player would you swap places with for a WEEK ?
'I'd swap with a Liverpool player because I 'm a Liverpool fan. It'd be great to have that experience , but dreams don't always come true. I've been a Liverpool fan since I was a boy.
4/Who is the Prem's greatest player ever ?
5/What's the most disgusting food you've ever tasted ?
6/ If you were captain of a five-a-side-team, which players would you pick to join you ?
"Journo in word-twisting manipulative c**t shock"
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All is forgiven
*winky thing*
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Well it is pantomine season.
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I still want an answer to the rhino question!