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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Loxton01 on September 20, 2011, 10:02:53 PM
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I dont think I have felt as down and depressed being an aston villa fan as I do tonight. I gave my season ticket up for the first time for years and its the first time I can say in my life i dont look forward to the game on the weekend. Even playing United at Old Trafford when were most likely to lose there was still the hope you never know! Thats gone now under this manager.
Im 29 and have felt some real lows following Villa losing at Wembley, losing to blues etc but even then we had the will to win and tried to attack. Under this manager we try not to lose. The Chairman has really let the team down by appointing a dour dire manager.
It hurts to admit this but I dont want to go and watch my football club as it is being ruined. If anyone at the club is reading this please take note as many of the supporters who I know feel the same and more will follow.
Were not showing disloyalty were just demoralised by the negative desperate tactics this manager brings.
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Worse than Doncaster 3-0 Villa, really?
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There's a long way to go yet until we reach a nadir such as Billy McNeil's tenure or relegation to Division 3.
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The words 'there's, light, no, end, the, of, the, at, tunnel' can be arranged into an apt sentence.
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A sense of perspective is needed, and the club has been in far worse positions.
It doesn't make it any easier to stomach though, particularly when it was screamed from the rooftops by all and sundry that this would happen.
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It is bad but there has been worse. Runners-up in '93, nearly relegated in '95. We're Villa, we f*ck it up.
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I think the chasm between us and clubs we were with 2 seasons ago, with no plan or coherant objective to get back at least to their coat tails, coupled with the reality that we have one of the least attractive managers football wise in the football league, means there is so little to look forward too. I don't reckon there will be many over 32-33k there all season, and the board have brought that on themselves with their appointment and management of the club in the last 18 months.
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I was gutted to lose to Oxford in that semi in 85(?) this result is nowhere near that or the relegations. Get a grip man.
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There really has been some hysterical tarts on here tonight.
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It is not the lowest point in our history, but it sure is uninspiring to follow us. No hope, no ambition.
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There really has been some hysterical tarts on here tonight.
Villa had one playing in midfield tonight called Stephen Ireland, how on earth did we manage to sign him for £8m and agree to pay him £50k a week for 3 years? Truly embarrassing.
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Not as bad as Doncaster - 'fair play to Donny' O'Leary's quote and 5-1 away at Spurs.
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The words 'there's, light, no, end, the, of, the, at, tunnel' can be arranged into an apt sentence.
no, there's light at the end of the tunnel
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It's not the end. It's just the beginning of the end.
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You are only 29 believe me after 40 years of supporting this club there are far more lower points that are possible.
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I'm 40. I've experienced far worse than this. There are plenty of others who are older and have witnessed even worse.
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There's a long way to go yet until we reach a nadir such as Billy McNeil's tenure or relegation to Division 3.
Sums it up perfectly.
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THEY whoever they are said this Manager will create a team who are: " uninspring, play for a draw, defensively strong."
To mis quote Churchill and Tony D:
... it is not the beginning of the end, but perhaps the end of the beginning. - Long waited Victory at El Alamein.
Well, can we have a long awaited Victory? Sorry, I thought he could have 'till New Year. But very team he has managed has been the same. Maybe with decent players? Ruined the attacking rep we had.
Get rid of this defensive, coward.
And those that know - this is pretty strong for me.
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Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say. The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.
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To the OP. Boo fucking hoo.
It's football, you lose. It happens.
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To the OP. Boo fucking hoo.
It's football, you lose. It happens.
I don't think it's the fact that we lost. It's the manner in which we lost.
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To the OP. Boo fucking hoo.
It's football, you lose. It happens.
I don't think it's the fact that we lost. It's the manner in which we lost.
It wasn't that bad. Collins had a shot.
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I took some workmates tonight that are from up north and lodging here-all Leeds and man u fans. For the first time in my life I was embarrassed by my football club. 22,000 fans, empty seats, a non existent atmosphere and the most turgid, insipid performance I can remember. 87mins before a shot on target? Dominated in every area of the pitch by an understrength Bolton. I had to apologise for wasting everyone's night. I can't believe our plan for getting the game back was to put Collins up front.
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I can't believe our plan for getting the game back was to put Collins up front.
Just our manager thinking a long way outside of the box.
Which is where our strikers will be this season.
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I can't believe our plan for getting the game back was to put Collins up front.
Just our manager thinking a long way outside of the box.
Which is where our strikers will be this season.
Houllier did similar on a couple of occasions last season.
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Disappointing - hugely. Lowest ebb - thankfully nowhere near. Worried - teetering.
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I didn't go, 50 mile round trip and it had the sniff of a bad night
This by no means the lowest point even in recent memory:
Moscow
Thumped by Chelsea for 7
Man City for 5
This is all the ups and downs of being a proper football fan of a proper football team.
If you can't handle the downs, go off and support Man Utd....
Come on you Lions!!
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I dont think I have felt as down and depressed being an aston villa fan as I do tonight.
Don't you remember losing 3-0 to Doncaster a few years back? That was as bad as I've ever seen.
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This is modern life. Everything's either great or awful.
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The words 'there's, light, no, end, the, of, the, at, tunnel' can be arranged into an apt sentence.
There is a light that never goes out.
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This is modern life. Everything's either great or awful.
We deserve* better.
*believe we're entitled to
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This is modern life. Everything's either great or awful.
Win - great
Lose - awful
There's always been a two out of three chance of having one or the other.
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I've seen lower moments than this and there's people on here who have been following Villa a lot longer than I have.
What I would say though is that in general when we've been rubbish in the past, I've had some hope (even if it wasn't realistic) that once we had got through a difficult period we had some good times to look forward to. I really can't see us ever finishing any higher than mid table under McLeish.
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This is modern life. Everything's either great or awful.
Nah, modern life just stinks full stop. Alcohol is the only answer.
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I'm older than any of you and have seen it all before and worse, the most disappointing aspect for me is i thought with Lerner at long last we could have success over a sustained period at Villa Park. The promise has disappeared and Mr Lerner will find once he has the finances balanced to his satisfaction that no decent player will come to Villa Park. He is now no better than Doug with a side that is no better than the one that he bought from Doug. Selling all our better players, employing a manager with a history of relegation in his portfolio, you might think he is trying to get us relegated.
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Quit being nancies. I've been called a "blind optimist" but some of you are just absolutely pathetic. If this is even close to your lowest moment as a Villa fan, well then quite frankly you're not a long time supporter. If you can't handle the ups and downs of football then go follows the mancs.
We had a bad performance in the god damn Carling Cup on a Tuesday night, let's be real here. We played an understrength Prem side, we didn't get to play some lower league garbage. Let's get it together and smash QPR on the weekend so all of you can flip-flop your opinions again.
We'll be fine. Onwards and UPWARDS.
Support your club.
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Personally its nowhere near Billy Mcneil bad yet which is the worse i remember. Not DOL bad even. Ask me again if we're down the bottom at christmas. The ABMc mob have appeared for the first time which doesn't look good but we all knew that was coming.
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There's been worse.
I recall Tommy Doherty saying, when he was brought in after we were relegated from the old 1st Div, to great applause and appreciation, on ATV News. It was just before Crossroads.
'I'm here to get Villa out of the 2nd Div'..and we went straight into the 3rd..
aaah memories eh?
We'll survive but need to check the acid erosion on teeth first!
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Personally its nowhere near Billy Mcneil bad yet which is the worse i remember. Not DOL bad even. Ask me again if we're down the bottom at christmas. The ABMc mob have appeared for the first time which doesn't look good but we all knew that was coming.
To be honest, I don't think McLeish is that bad, it just seems more obvious that we aren't going to catch the top teams under him than say Houllier, even if we aren't actually any worse.
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Quit being nancies. I've been called a "blind optimist" but some of you are just absolutely pathetic. If this is even close to your lowest moment as a Villa fan, well then quite frankly you're not a long time supporter. If you can't handle the ups and downs of football then go follows the mancs.
We had a bad performance in the god damn Carling Cup on a Tuesday night, let's be real here. We played an understrength Prem side, we didn't get to play some lower league garbage. Let's get it together and smash QPR on the weekend so all of you can flip-flop your opinions again.
We'll be fine. Onwards and UPWARDS.
Support your club.
Crashing bore alert.
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Tonight was bad, but I've seen much worse performances and much worse results.
I was against the decision to appoint AM and it still feels like a bad nightmare, but tried my best to be optimistic once the appointment was confirmed...unfortunately it seems the doubters are being proved right with negative tactics, team selections and piss poor performances.
I actually feel sorry for AM...he was offered a job with a good salary, our best players were sold and then told virtually no budget to bring in replacements. Unfortunately there is only one man that can be blamed for recent events and the current situation...and I'm afraid to say that is Mr Randy Lerner himself.
If it gets worse, will Randy have the balls to sack the manager no one wanted in the first place?
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This is Aston Villa, OP.
Have a quick scan over our history post WWII.
We've been mostly average with a few high spots (and a few real lows) to lift the tedium.
There was always going to be some major outpouring of grief tonight, and I'm not going to mock Loxton -or anyone else who feels that way. The lack of competition/ competitiveness in the top flight nowadays and seeing things like Ashley Young in a Man U shirt eats away at my overall enthusiasm for the game far more than anything else.
Villa gobbing it in straightforward looking cup ties is pretty much the norm though. In an ever changing world, and all that.
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This is Aston Villa, OP.
Have a quick scan over our history post WWII.
We've been mostly average with a few high spots (and a few real lows) to lift the tedium.
There was always going to be some major outpouring of grief tonight, and I'm not going to mock Loxton -or anyone else who feels that way. The lack of competition/ competitiveness in the top flight nowadays and seeing things like Ashley Young in a Man U shirt eats away at my overall enthusiasm for the game far more than anything else.
Villa gobbing it in straightforward looking cup ties is pretty much the norm though. In an ever changing world, and all that.
There hasn't been a major outpouring of grief if you look at the number of posts involved. Virtually all of the fans I know saw this coming and shook their heads sadly. Of grief and melodrama was there none. Just stoicism and resignation.
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Fickle.
Again.
We played crap, we lost.
Lets smash QPR and get this season started.
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That was directed more at the OP - though again, I don't think he should come in for stick for feeling that way.
Stoicism and resignation is about right as far as most Villa fans are concerned, I'd have thought.
We're a bit shit, but we won't go down. Based on previous history, we're on a downward cycle at the moment but might hit an upward curve again in 2/3 years. Most likely not under Big Eck though.
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We are absolutely not at one of the worst points in our history, nor I assume was it one of our worst performances ever. Obviously I cannot say this emphatically because I was not there last night but there have been many lower points in my lifetime.
Let’s have some perspective - this is our first defeat under McLeish. Re the attendance, 22k for a midweek game sounds about right to me in current climes, and I would imagine it compares favourably with most in this round. One off defeats happen to everybody (hopefully losing to Bolton reserves is a one off defeat) – when we won the league we were knocked out of the League Cup by Cambridge for God’s sake.
However there does seem to be a lack of enthusiasm, hope and belief emanating from Villa Park which does not augur well. I always feel that apathy at a football club is worse than outright despair because it embodies an absence of emotion and caring, which are usually key factors in inspiring fans to doing something about it.
We’ve always played better on Wednesdays than Tuesdays too, (in days of old we played at home on Wednesday, Blues on Tuesday) so I saw this one coming…..
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Tonight was bad, but I've seen much worse performances
Been going for 25+ yrs and I'm struggling to remember a much worse performance. It was truly appalling last night, horrible.
This isn't our lowest point ever but I understand the reason why someone would feel that way. There is absolutely zero enthusiasm from players or fans and it feels like none of us really want to be there.
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There is absolutely zero enthusiasm from players or fans and it feels like none of us really want to be there.
Surely that was also the case at the end of the O'Dreary tenure and whatever the result last night, as far as I am concerned, nothing can come close to the disaster that was the relegation season under Turner and subsequently McNeill. Standing on the Holte End knowing that we had gone down is my lowest point as a Villa fan and unless this season unravels in the way that one did, I doubt it will come close.
I was not there last night for obvious reasons, but what struck me and depressed me was how little I cared about the result. I really wanted to be furious, especially knowing that we’ve spunked away the chance in the only competition we had a realistic chance in. The problem is that the decisions made over the last twelve months have just drained the enthusiasm I have for the club.
Of course I’m still a fan and I’ll be over at some point in the next few months, but its more out of a sense of duty than any real enthusiasm. I want to feel emotionally invested in the issues at the club right now, but I’m finding it hard as the situation could so easily have been avoided had Randy decided not to slash the wage bill so deep and so fast and then go against all logic by employing a man that was always going to divide the fans.
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I wasn't furious. Just resigned to sheer indifference. Proud history, mediocre future. The spark seems to have gone.
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Last nights game was a shambles lets face it until we get rid of McLeish results wil not improve. It took until the 87th minute to get a shot on goal. Regardless on what some fans feel McLeish is not the man for the Villa never has been never will be. Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon saying "just because he was small heath manager" yes that is a large part of the problem as he has no heart for the Villa job it's just a bigger salary for him to take home each week. If we are not careful we are looking at bottom four by November. The boo's started last night and let them continue until us fans are heard as we DONT WANT McLeish. QPR will take us apart on Sunday if we play like that again. Why play Ireland when he is totally useless?
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First of all I'd like to make it clear that I do care. I've come realise that when we're shit I treat a day out at the Villa (usually away) to be a great day out only ruined by 90 minutes of football in the middle. Once in a while we'll go on a run and that'll provide me with a boost I need to keep me going.
Maybe I'm older and wiser, maybe I need to travel up from London to Villa Park every other week and I'd be more pissed off. At the moment I just think, get over it no- one is dead, I'm looking forward to QPR ,I'm excited and that's all I need to keep me happy.
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Fickle.
Again.
We played crap, we lost.
Lets smash QPR and get this season started.
dont use the f word on here, you will be banished!
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I wasn't furious. Just resigned to sheer indifference. Proud history, mediocre future. The spark seems to have gone.
This.
What surprised me was the way that on the match thread people were bigging up the League Cup: that was a measure of our decline!
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There's a few of us older supporters who have posted on here about this being nowhere near the low point for the club and they are quite right. Interspersed with the occasional great moment, there has been plenty of mediocrity and despair.
I think what magnifies the disullusion is the fact there has appeared so much promise over the last 5 years in terms of a new dawn where we all thought the owners were going to put this club back among the serious competitors in this country.
This has all withered away very quickly - therefore every poor performance and every defeat feels much harder at the moment.
There is an underlying discontent that a run of poor results will turn into a full blown crisis very quickly.
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This is not the lowest point, I think that is yet to come. I do not accept hoofing the ball from back to front. Shocking
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Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say. The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.
Exactly what I think.
He speaketh not, his 'right hand man' has vanished, his CEO has just started shaving.
Concerned is putting it mild.
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Only a toddler or a goldfish could conceive this as the lowest point.
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Lowest point I can remember was relegation to the 3rd division coming off the back of a pre-season of real optimism under Tommy Doc. First time I ever truly understood the meaning of the term 'False dawn'. This situation now just feels like an overreaction to a poor result to me, compounded by some people constantly banging on about how shit everything is. Whenever we're struggling as a club there are always people here who seem to take some kind of massochistic pleasure in it, as if the board are doing it on purpose and sniggering down their sleeves at us poor saps
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After the last few years of aiming for champions league and signing expensive players, there's something comfortable about our mediocrity again. Like coming home after an exotic holiday and seeing the rain and grey skies
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The good news is....
We're still in the FA Cup.
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Only a toddler or a goldfish could conceive this as the lowest point.
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Just the lowest point of the season, surely? It wasn't a surprising result, though we seemed very tame and lacklustre and gave it away all too easily.
I think worse is to come; we're holding our own in the main against ordinary teams and when we play the better teams, and other ordinary sides on form, we'll be exposed. But overall, I agree with Kevin Gage - we're a bit shit, but we won't go down, and I can see a couple of seasons of treading water before we start moving forward again.
For what it's worth, that defeat at Doncaster is about the worst I can remember, especially with O'Leary not understanding why everyone was so angry about it.
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The good news is....
We're still in the FA Cup.
And it's our year, this time.
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When I saw the result I've got to admit I shrugged my shoulders and made sure I avoided going on H & V. A couple of years ago I would have been mortified. If we beat QPR then things will be a lot brighter but it'll probably be a draw.
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Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say. The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.
Presumably to one of the string of billionaires sitting there waiting to buy a football club. Then they can put in a fortune. Then as soon as something goes wrong you can say "He's shit. He's useless. He should sell up." And the cycle can start again.
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To use the long and forgotten worlds of the General- "this is where we are".
Nothing us fans can do about it,get used to it.
It will be long hard season and we will survive.....just.
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Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say. The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.
Presumably to one of the string of billionaires sitting there waiting to buy a football club. Then they can put in a fortune. Then as soon as something goes wrong you can say "He's shit. He's useless. He should sell up." And the cycle can start again.
Yes, this is truth. This is the fault of Sky and gullible people
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Just the lowest point of the season, surely?
Just the lowest point so far this week.
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The Doncaster 3 - 0 game will always stick with me. Got back from the game with my 11 year old son and said to him we'd talk about the game in the morning.
The next morning came and in the cold light of day I said to him I'd understand if he wanted to go off and support someone else as I didn't want him to suffer like I had to.
His response brought a tear to the eye and I think about it whenever we have a crap result or a period of prolonged crapness - "Dad, no chance you've got to be in it for the long haul, I'll support villa forever". He did follow it up with "It could be worse you could be like Grandad and be a Sunderland fan" mind!!
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The Doncaster 3 - 0 game will always stick with me. Got back from the game with my 11 year old son and said to him we'd talk about the game in the morning.
The next morning came and in the cold light of day I said to him I'd understand if he wanted to go off and support someone else as I didn't want him to suffer like I had to.
His response brought a tear to the eye and I think about it whenever we have a crap result or a period of prolonged crapness - "Dad, no chance you've got to be in it for the long haul, I'll support villa forever". He did follow it up with "It could be worse you could be like Grandad and be a Sunderland fan" mind!!
As first posts go, this one needs to be noted!Welcome lbr
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The Doncaster 3 - 0 game will always stick with me. Got back from the game with my 11 year old son and said to him we'd talk about the game in the morning.
The next morning came and in the cold light of day I said to him I'd understand if he wanted to go off and support someone else as I didn't want him to suffer like I had to.
His response brought a tear to the eye and I think about it whenever we have a crap result or a period of prolonged crapness - "Dad, no chance you've got to be in it for the long haul, I'll support villa forever". He did follow it up with "It could be worse you could be like Grandad and be a Sunderland fan" mind!!
Great post. That game was terrible.
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If you go back through the records, there have been loads of defeats like that in the League Cup. It was not our lowest point by far.
Regarding team selection, I don't think that McLeish had too many options.
We bought Jenas who immediately suffers the new player injury curse that has plagued us for years.
As for Ireland, he put in more tackles last night than he has ever done before. Somebody needed to do that in midfield.
Richard Dunne won nearly every tackle and put in a good, honest performance.
Gabby is starting to show more composure on the ball and will thrive when we eventually sort the midfield out.
Petrov has always been the scapegoat and sometimes I wonder if people who slag him off appreciate the effort that he puts in.
Looking forward to QPR. I want us to win and won't be on here crowing if we fail to do so.
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The Doncaster Rovers game surely has to be up there with the worst ever for Villa, especially when it was compounded the next morning with the 'Don and Dusted' headline.
Infact:
The only bigger pisstake back page of The Sun i can ever recall was the somewhat funny 'Frog on the Tyne' when Man U went to Newcastle, hauled back the 12 points and Cantona scored the winner.
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A lower point but still not the lowest will occur this Sunday at Loftus Road.
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Lowest point ?
I can only assume the days of GT2 or DOL have been forgotten very quickly
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I can only assume the days of GT2 or DOL have been forgotten very quickly
By some.
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Lowest point is obviously a personal view and dictated by how old you are. As a forty year old who started going in 1979 I thought being a twelve year old at St. Andrews on boxing day '82 was as bad as life got. Unfortunately I found out in 1987 that it could get far, far worse. I will never forget how I felt walking out of Villa Park after the Sheff Wed game. Apologies to all the drama queens and anti McLeish people but for me last night doesn't even register on the scale.
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Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say. The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.
Presumably to one of the string of billionaires sitting there waiting to buy a football club. Then they can put in a fortune. Then as soon as something goes wrong you can say "He's shit. He's useless. He should sell up." And the cycle can start again.
That's the sort of shit argument always put about. "Why would would anybody else want to buy/manage Villa?". It wouldn't take much to be owned by somebody with more of a clue than Lerner, that'd be a start.
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Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say. The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.
Presumably to one of the string of billionaires sitting there waiting to buy a football club. Then they can put in a fortune. Then as soon as something goes wrong you can say "He's shit. He's useless. He should sell up." And the cycle can start again.
That's the sort of shit argument always put about. "Why would would anybody else want to buy/manage Villa?". It wouldn't take much to be owned by somebody with more of a clue than Lerner, that'd be a start.
It's not a 'shit argument' at all. It's a bit childish of you to call something you disagree with a 'shit argument'.
Randy has invested circa 270m into the club (£65m purchase, £90m loan notes, £115m equity). There aren't many chairmen in the country who can match that level of investment.
There may be better chairmen out there but I think we could do a lot lot lot worse.
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Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say. The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.
Presumably to one of the string of billionaires sitting there waiting to buy a football club. Then they can put in a fortune. Then as soon as something goes wrong you can say "He's shit. He's useless. He should sell up." And the cycle can start again.
That's the sort of shit argument always put about. "Why would would anybody else want to buy/manage Villa?". It wouldn't take much to be owned by somebody with more of a clue than Lerner, that'd be a start.
It's not a 'shit argument' at all. It's a bit childish of you to call something you disagree with a 'shit argument'.
Randy has invested circa 270m into the club (£65m purchase, £90m loan notes, £115m equity). There aren't many chairmen in the country who can match that level of investment.
There may be better chairmen out there but I think we could do a lot lot lot worse.
Isn't that part of the problem? For a while we thought we had the best going and put him on a pedestal?
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Losing to Moscow Spartak in 1983. I was 8 and it was the first time I'd seen us lose a game.
What we're seeing currently is a protracted anti-climax. We challenged, failed to get into the top 4 and now haven't go the money to compete for that particular prize. Until the game changes/Lerner sells up to multi-billionaire/we hit the jackpot with several youngsters coming through at once and they gel and we reap the rewards before the top 3 buy them (breathe) it isn't changing. 17 other clubs in the premier league are in the same boat. That's the reality and it stinks.
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Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say. The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.
Presumably to one of the string of billionaires sitting there waiting to buy a football club. Then they can put in a fortune. Then as soon as something goes wrong you can say "He's shit. He's useless. He should sell up." And the cycle can start again.
That's the sort of shit argument always put about. "Why would would anybody else want to buy/manage Villa?". It wouldn't take much to be owned by somebody with more of a clue than Lerner, that'd be a start.
Which of course isn't a 'shit argument.'
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I dont think i've ever felt as low or as angry as i did after last season's FA Cup match at City. We've always had stinkers before but to actually not even bother with trying to win the cup - and lets face it, 90% of sides seem to do it these days - makes the whole point of football a complete waste of time no, just witness Assou-Ekoito's talk of finishing fourth over winning the Europa Cup. What would you rather do, finish fourth every year or win 4-5 trophies at the end of your career. My enthusiasm for football in general hasnt really recovered since that City game.
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Also , has everyone forgotten 030303 not to mention the first game at the Sty. Fuck me I was in the home end at the Sty and I can tell you I felt a lot worse than I did last night - maybe that's the problem, I actually cared then.
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Relegation in 1968? to Division 3, McNeil collapse of 1987? Championship side being broken up at its peak.
Surely all these are far worse?
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I dont think i've ever felt as low or as angry as i did after last season's FA Cup match at City. We've always had stinkers before but to actually not even bother with trying to win the cup - and lets face it, 90% of sides seem to do it these days - makes the whole point of football a complete waste of time no, just witness Assou-Ekoito's talk of finishing fourth over winning the Europa Cup. What would you rather do, finish fourth every year or win 4-5 trophies at the end of your career. My enthusiasm for football in general hasnt really recovered since that City game.
Interesting isn't it.... Agree with posters debating whether they care as much - I certainly struggle to - and I think it's because the odds are so stacked against all but the few. Sky can talk up shock results and giant killing blah blah, but it's bollocks.
The first couple of games when Blues (falsely) re-invented themselves as the biggest-team-in-the-region for the umpteenth time were quite depressing. As usual they were 'bridging the gap' but it actually felt a bit too close for comfort for a little while. Then, bright new era and we;re challenging again - the wheel seems to have turned for us as it always does and we're back to also rans (in truth that's all we were but it felt different somehow). Anyway, that's how I see it.
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I can honestly say that I wouldnt want a middle eastern billionaire to come in. Randy provided enough funds to his first manager at the club,and he blew the majority of it,we had our chance and unfortunately its long gone.
My major beef with Randy is the appointment in the summer, and the major shift in the appointment,going from someone who knows European football very well,trying to addopt a more passing style of football,then even trying to get Martinez,who tries to get his teams to play better football,and maybe could buy unknowns from abroad,then McCleish who is pretty much a meat and two veg manager. Only being able to turn to Faulkner for advice shows an alarming amount of mis management at the very top.
We all knew that MCCleish was a manager of limited ability,and he hasn't got as much to work with compared to the previous two managers,but we have enough in the squad to be playing better than we are at the minute.
This isnt the lowest point in my lifetime,mid 80s,O'Leary years,but in the space of 18 months things have gone bad at an alarming pace.
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I don't get this "lowest point" thread.
We sold two of our best players over the summer, yet despite this, AM has managed to keep things together and we sit higher in the league than at almost any point last season.Ok, so we've gone out of the mickey mouse cup....
For me, you could pick almost any weekend of last season and describe it as a lower point than now. If we lose the next four games in a row, then things might be different, but right now, as things stand, I think AM has done rather well!
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I don't get this "lowest point" thread.
We sold two of our best players over the summer, yet despite this, AM has managed to keep things together and we sit higher in the league than at almost any point last season.Ok, so we've gone out of the mickey mouse cup....
For me, you could pick almost any weekend of last season and describe it as a lower point than now. If we lose the next four games in a row, then things might be different, but right now, as things stand, I think AM has done rather well!
Except in our now vastly reduced expectation existence, the cup we have exited was the only one we had a chance of winning realistically and therefore is not a Mickey Mouse Cup to us anymore, hence the wholesale pissedoffedness a the evolving catastrophe.
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Dunno about the "wholesale pissedoffedness at the evolving catastrophe" statement. For me, it's precisely the reason that things are still "evolving" that I'm not pissed off.
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This talk of a good start is a bit of a myth. Yes we're unbeaten but this time last year we had seven points and two wins from five league games and went on to win the sixth. I dont see us being that much better off now other than defence looks a wee bit sharper.
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and this time last year we had Young and Downing playing for us, which we don't this year...so relatively speaking, I think AM is doing rather well, given the circumstances.
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Dunno about the "wholesale pissedoffedness at the evolving catastrophe" statement. For me, it's precisely the reason that things are still "evolving" that I'm not pissed off.
The wholesale pissedoffedness has been evolving for at least 18 months as far as I can see. I love how this thread has now become a race to the bottom discussion, how times have changed.
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and this time last year we had Young and Downing playing for us, which we don't this year...so relatively speaking, I think AM is doing rather well, given the circumstances.
We've been out played though by 3 teams who are gonna be are rivals this year,with similar squads,and got outplayed last night by a reserve team.
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Looking forward to QPR. I want us to win and won't be on here crowing if we fail to do so.
That's the spirit. Fucking brilliant, DC5. The best thing I have read on here for weeks.
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I suppose the lowest point will inevitably be the first bad one. For me it was hearing of the draw against Smethwick in 1959. I still hate Ronnie Allen.
Even relegation to the third was not as bad. Oddly enough, for me at least, we had turned a corner under Vic Crowe, but not quite soon enough. We were on the up all the same.
I have no idea how this season will pan out. I still think it's a question of how many teams are worse than us.
The team sheet looks even poorer than it did in O'Leary's last season. If our campaign this year hinges on McLeish doing a better job than O'Leary then at least the odds of suffering nothing worse than a nothing season are not so bad.
A nothing season is probably the best to hope for right now.
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Looking forward to QPR. I want us to win and won't be on here crowing if we fail to do so.
That's the spirit. Fucking brilliant, DC5. The best thing I have read on here for weeks.
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I suppose the lowest point will inevitably be the first bad one. For me it was hearing of the draw against Smethwick in 1959. I still hate Ronnie Allen.
Even relegation to the third was not as bad. Oddly enough, for me at least, we had turned a corner under Vic Crowe, but not quite soon enough. We were on the up all the same.
I have no idea how this season will pan out. I still think it's a question of how many teams are worse than us.
The team sheet looks even poorer than it did in O'Leary's last season. If our campaign this year hinges on McLeish doing a better job than O'Leary then at least the odds of suffering nothing worse than a nothing season are not so bad.
A nothing season is probably the best to hope for right now.
I got smashed for suggesting same a couple of months ago.
We are going nowhere until Randy's financial situation improves in the US of A. It is not about the fans for now it is about cash and McLeish is just a forelock tugger until general economies improve. Once they do improve we may see improvements but for now he is a caretaker on a good stipend. For the moment we just sit and squirm and hope it does not get any worse!
As someone pointed out tonight there are at least 16 teams looking to finish mid-table this season!! Not a lot of room there.