Would like McLeish to be sacked.
Would like McLeish to be sacked.
Would like McLeish to be sacked.
Absolutely bloody horrendous by the sounds of it. The board have completely ruined us as a club, cutting back in this fashion is suicidal. There is no leadership from the top and we are in massive massive trouble. Joke.
Would like McLeish to be sacked.
Why can so many fans not see the wood for the trees?! McLeish is not the problem. The clowns who appointed him and gave him less than a third of the money raised from sales are the ones to blame.
Didn't sound great did it? Will reserve judgement til those that went down tonight give a verdict.
What's even more depressing than going out this early is that there will now be some kind of "McLeish Out" thing happening all on the basis of one defeat. It will be stoked up by the tabloid press and radio.
Some moron starting a thread calling for AM to get the boot after one defeat. One. People on the match thread calling both the owner and the manager a 'c***' or a bluenose. Pathetic.
He's not the sole problem, but he's one of them. He's not very good.
Didn't sound great did it? Will reserve judgement til those that went down tonight give a verdict.
What's even more depressing than going out this early is that there will now be some kind of "McLeish Out" thing happening all on the basis of one defeat. It will be stoked up by the tabloid press and radio.
Some moron starting a thread calling for AM to get the boot after one defeat. One. People on the match thread calling both the owner and the manager a 'c***' or a bluenose. Pathetic.
People will point to it being one game and not to get carried away etc, but tonight is simply a microchosm of what we can expect under Alex McLeish, dour, defensive, clueless shit. Only he could turn a 20 goal a season banker striker into someone who looks as if he has never played before.
Didn't sound great did it? Will reserve judgement til those that went down tonight give a verdict.
What's even more depressing than going out this early is that there will now be some kind of "McLeish Out" thing happening all on the basis of one defeat. It will be stoked up by the tabloid press and radio.
Some moron starting a thread calling for AM to get the boot after one defeat. One. People on the match thread calling both the owner and the manager a 'c***' or a bluenose. Pathetic.
The board is the problem very clearly, not the manager. You sell our best two players, then you sell/loan our first choice right back, one of our few centre midfielders on top of releasing a load of players. You then give the manager a fraction of the money to replace them with, you are going to be fucked. That's what we are and it is the board's fault.
If we sack McL we will end up with somebody even worse. Remember the fiasco in July?
Didn't sound great did it? Will reserve judgement til those that went down tonight give a verdict.
What's even more depressing than going out this early is that there will now be some kind of "McLeish Out" thing happening all on the basis of one defeat. It will be stoked up by the tabloid press and radio.
Some moron starting a thread calling for AM to get the boot after one defeat. One. People on the match thread calling both the owner and the manager a 'c***' or a bluenose. Pathetic.
oooooohhh hark at you, I expect yow am a considerably better fan than me.
One defeat?
This has been coming all season, incase you hadn't noticed Sherlock we havent played any team that is going to be in the Top 10 come the end of the season.
Still you just carry on being a little sheep and believeing all the shit the club comes out with.
We are fucked
If we sack McL we will end up with somebody even worse. Remember the fiasco in July?
He's not the sole problem, but he's one of them. He's not very good.
Something fishy going on.
It says something that we are unbeaten in the first five league games yet a pallor of grim depression hangs over the club.
Mismanagement from the top, I'm afraid, from an absentee owner who I suspect doesnt care too much, and clearly knows not the first thing about running a football club.
I can't remember the last time it all felt so futile and miserable.
These are the worst days as a villa fan I have ever known.Sorry mate but you've seen nothing if that is your view. Imagine supporting Plymouth!
It says something that we are unbeaten in the first five league games yet a pallor of grim depression hangs over the club.
Mismanagement from the top, I'm afraid, from an absentee owner who I suspect doesnt care too much, and clearly knows not the first thing about running a football club.
I can't remember the last time it all felt so futile and miserable.
I expect our club do the honourable thing and refund all the fans who had to see that rubbish tonight.
Didn't sound great did it? Will reserve judgement til those that went down tonight give a verdict.
What's even more depressing than going out this early is that there will now be some kind of "McLeish Out" thing happening all on the basis of one defeat. It will be stoked up by the tabloid press and radio.
Some moron starting a thread calling for AM to get the boot after one defeat. One. People on the match thread calling both the owner and the manager a 'c***' or a bluenose. Pathetic.
oooooohhh hark at you, I expect yow am a considerably better fan than me.
One defeat?
This has been coming all season, incase you hadn't noticed Sherlock we havent played any team that is going to be in the Top 10 come the end of the season.
Still you just carry on being a little sheep and believeing all the shit the club comes out with.
We are fucked
Moron.
Its been hard enough to care about this season as it is, going out of the cup in Sept just about tops it off. Its never been so dull to be a Villa fan.
The board is the problem very clearly, not the manager. You sell our best two players, then you sell/loan our first choice right back, one of our few centre midfielders on top of releasing a load of players. You then give the manager a fraction of the money to replace them with, you are going to be fucked. That's what we are and it is the board's fault.
If we sack McL we will end up with somebody even worse. Remember the fiasco in July?
Struggle to do that mate, this is a bloke that took our cross city rivals down twice, when you get this bad the only way is up.
Middle Eastern billionaires welcome. Sorry but I'm willing to sell my soul. Randy, time to do what is best for Aston Villa.
I didn't go so can't comment on what exactly went on this evening but it did not sound good.
I have tried to be positive so far this season but I am very, very disappointed with the result this evening
Cue the usual bullshit we read on the OS all last season from Petrov and Co about bouncing back... not interested, words are cheap
Apologise to the 22,000 die hards who went this evening and go out and beat QPR on Sunday
The board is the problem very clearly, not the manager. You sell our best two players, then you sell/loan our first choice right back, one of our few centre midfielders on top of releasing a load of players. You then give the manager a fraction of the money to replace them with, you are going to be fucked. That's what we are and it is the board's fault.It is hard to disagree with that.
Can we all stop being quite so emotional?Didn't sound great did it? Will reserve judgement til those that went down tonight give a verdict.
What's even more depressing than going out this early is that there will now be some kind of "McLeish Out" thing happening all on the basis of one defeat. It will be stoked up by the tabloid press and radio.
Some moron starting a thread calling for AM to get the boot after one defeat. One. People on the match thread calling both the owner and the manager a 'c***' or a bluenose. Pathetic.
oooooohhh hark at you, I expect yow am a considerably better fan than me.
One defeat?
This has been coming all season, incase you hadn't noticed Sherlock we havent played any team that is going to be in the Top 10 come the end of the season.
Still you just carry on being a little sheep and believeing all the shit the club comes out with.
We are fucked
Moron.
It's crap being the spent play thing of a spoilt toddler
It says something that we are unbeaten in the first five league games yet a pallor of grim depression hangs over the club.
Mismanagement from the top, I'm afraid, from an absentee owner who I suspect doesnt care too much, and clearly knows not the first thing about running a football club.
I can't remember the last time it all felt so futile and miserable.
I don't fully agree with your statement but it's hard to come up with something to refute this.
I feel sorry for McLeish, he was coming with so much baggage. One bad result and the knives were always going to be out.
But it does seem futile. And, I can't even be arsed to get angry.
Why does my poll about weather mcleish should go or not get locked on this site?Its only a rumour that he can control the rain.
It worries me more that the message is Lerner wants to stay and is in no way thinking of selling. It is all very well selling the good players, but you need a strategy to buy young players that you can sell at profit again, not just sell and develop from in hoping they are going to make the grade.
Fuck it, I am off to bed.
The board is the problem very clearly, not the manager. You sell our best two players, then you sell/loan our first choice right back, one of our few centre midfielders on top of releasing a load of players. You then give the manager a fraction of the money to replace them with, you are going to be fucked. That's what we are and it is the board's fault.It is hard to disagree with that.
That is all true, McCleish has been dealt a bad hand,but there are some good players there,and a better coach of players,would surely bring out alot more in them. Newcastle out played on Sat and they're shit. But it was Randy who chose him,so he must take the blame.
Please do not fall into the trap of Blaming Mcleish, The real problem is with the Board, they are the guys who have pulled back all the finances at such speed to leave us with an unbalanced squad and a manager with a very poor ecord in the PL.
Thier decisions over the last 2 years have created this mess.
Please do not fall into the trap of Blaming Mcleish, The real problem is with the Board, they are the guys who have pulled back all the finances at such speed to leave us with an unbalanced squad and a manager with a very poor ecord in the PL.
Thier decisions over the last 2 years have created this mess.
here's a question - for those of you who want to give am a chance. How long until the chance is over?
here's a question - for those of you who want to give am a chance. How long until the chance is over?Unless there is a significant change in strategy at the top, sacking him will make no difference or make things worse.
here's a question - for those of you who want to give am a chance. How long until the chance is over?If he doesnt put a couple of tacklers in the middle on Sunday to cope with Barton, then he can go Sunday evening.
here's a question - for those of you who want to give am a chance. How long until the chance is over?If he doesnt put a couple of tacklers in the middle on Sunday to cope with Barton, then he can go Sunday evening.
Why does my poll about weather mcleish should go or not get locked on this site?
here's a question - for those of you who want to give am a chance. How long until the chance is over?
Its over now, its a bit like being banged over the head with a plank but the pain don't kick in till tomorrow.
here's a question - for those of you who want to give am a chance. How long until the chance is over?If he doesnt put a couple of tacklers in the middle on Sunday to cope with Barton, then he can go Sunday evening.
As I said in the match thread, who are these tacklers?
Please do not fall into the trap of Blaming Mcleish, The real problem is with the Board, they are the guys who have pulled back all the finances at such speed to leave us with an unbalanced squad and a manager with a very poor ecord in the PL.That may be true but the board aren't managing the team, the board aren't letting us get outplayed by Newcastle and Boston at home, the board aren't letting us play like shit... what happens on the field is McLeish's responsibility and he hasn't shown us anything which the fans like.
Thier decisions over the last 2 years have created this mess.
Why does my poll about weather mcleish should go or not get locked on this site?
1 Email a mod about the moderation on this site.
All sounds very defensive towards the manager to me. Are you on the payroll?
However
2) If you are going to be deliberately controversial, when passions are running high, an articulate post, supporting you viewpoint is called for. Not a boorish "Yes!!!!"
here's a question - for those of you who want to give am a chance. How long until the chance is over?If he doesnt put a couple of tacklers in the middle on Sunday to cope with Barton, then he can go Sunday evening.
As I said in the match thread, who are these tacklers?
Well there was one that we let go for nothing and is now playing for Bolton I think.
During the Summer of 2009, going into the 2009/10 season someone on here (I think it was paulie) said 'it feels like we're drifting'.
It's felt like that ever since. There's been a few highs (cup runs and the Bent signing), but mostly it's just felt very half-arsed. So much good work has been undone.
Randy has to take most of the blame.
here's a question - for those of you who want to give am a chance. How long until the chance is over?If he doesnt put a couple of tacklers in the middle on Sunday to cope with Barton, then he can go Sunday evening.
As I said in the match thread, who are these tacklers?
Well there was one that we let go for nothing and is now playing for Bolton I think.
Quite, but that's not Mcleish's fault and he can hardly select him Sunday can he?
here's a question - for those of you who want to give am a chance. How long until the chance is over?If he doesnt put a couple of tacklers in the middle on Sunday to cope with Barton, then he can go Sunday evening.
As I said in the match thread, who are these tacklers?
Well there was one that we let go for nothing and is now playing for Bolton I think.
Quite, but that's not Mcleish's fault and he can hardly select him Sunday can he?
Our negative approach to games and unimaginative style of play is McLeish's fault, though.
The Board set the agenda, they have sold players and not replaced them and The Board appointed him.Please do not fall into the trap of Blaming Mcleish, The real problem is with the Board, they are the guys who have pulled back all the finances at such speed to leave us with an unbalanced squad and a manager with a very poor ecord in the PL.That may be true but the board aren't managing the team, the board aren't letting us get outplayed by Newcastle and Boston at home, the board aren't letting us play like shit... what happens on the field is McLeish's responsibility and he hasn't shown us anything which the fans like.
Thier decisions over the last 2 years have created this mess.
I was relieved when last season finished hoping this season we would be back competing... its only 7 games into this season and I already know we will be in for a season of struggle.
It was always said that AM would be under pressure quicker because of his old connections, and it is true to an extent. I think thats probably half due to the fact people only really started at a base of 'half acceptance', and half that now we have seen his grand plan for the season. Not exciting times.
Just got back from the Game paid £5 for my ticket.....I was robbed and Ireland can fuck off
At least I am not locked into the season like I was last year when I had a season ticket.
I thought I might go to the odd match this season but on to-nights evidence I cannot think of a single reason to go down there.
We are back to the O'Lleary era god help us.
god help us.First post and already asking for something. Tsk!
Can we get James Collins Jnr back from Shrewsbury?
Tacklers for Sunday will have to be found from reserve defenders. Yes that is what we will have to.
All of this was certain when we read in the summer that Randy Lerner had flown to Corsica to talk to McLeish. I could not believe it t the time that Alex McLeish was the best we could come up with and that the owner was intervening personally to make sure we got him at all costs.
I do not blame McLeish for the situation we find ourselves in any more than I blame the pigeons for shitting on my car. I blame the board for not being able to deal with the departure of O'Neill calmly and constructively. They appointed an old, sick man with nothing to prove when they should have bided their time and signed a young, healthy and ambitious one. When the inevitable breakdown of Houllier's health occurred the board should have bided their time and signed a young, healthy ambitious manager. Instead they lurched from blunder to blunder in their pursuit of somebody cheap until Lerner himself stepped in and flew to Corsica with ticks in his three boxes Is he available? Will he be grateful? Will he do as he is told? That was when all this became inevitable.
I do not believe for one minute that David Moyes could not have been secured from Everton for a big enough offer bearing in mind their financial circumstances.
McLeish is McLeish we have to live with it.
"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Premier League experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa.'
Faulkner, what is this shared vision - abject mediocrity?
Just got back from the Game paid £5 for my ticket.....I was robbed and Ireland can fuck off
That is what a mate said when I phoned him at the game.....said the man is a complete clown.
"Unquestionably, Alex meets the criteria we set out at the beginning of our search which was based on proven Premier League experience, leadership, a hard-working ethic and, most importantly, a shared vision for Aston Villa.'
Faulkner, what is this shared vision - abject mediocrity?
There is no one inside Aston Villa in a position of authority that has any idea about football. So Randy and Faulkner went to Man Utd and asked Alex Ferguson what he thinks of his mate McLeish. He gave him a glowing reference and the rest is history.
I wonder if Fergie's opinion is partly why we don't have European Cup winning Rafa Benitez in charge right now.
Seriously, what are we playing for now?
Until the FA Cup in January it's just a season of plodding along. Atleast Martinez would have given us belief of a bigger picture, an end-game.
This is just very, meh.
Well, I've just finished a four mile run and I feel bloody fantastic, and the missus is happy that Bolton won. I'm going to piss about on Photoshop with some of the photos I took earlier, and the football can go roger itself up the arse.Did you run round the island 4 times then? ;)
I don't blame the pigeons because it is what pigeons do. They shit on things.
you can't turn shit into gold and while it was a favourite pastime of MON is never worked. bottom line is all we've got left is MON's shit Bent, Gabby and the kids. swap AM for ferguson and he couldn't turn our back 4 into anything more than average
I do not believe for one minute that David Moyes could not have been secured from Everton for a big enough offer bearing in mind their financial circumstances.
At least I am not locked into the season like I was last year when I had a season ticket.
I thought I might go to the odd match this season but on to-nights evidence I cannot think of a single reason to go down there.
We are back to the O'Lleary era god help us.
You've brave joining right now,you're not a Sado are you?
I don't blame the pigeons because it is what pigeons do. They shit on things.
Yeah, but you could park your car under a tree that didn't have a pigeon's nest
Well, I've just finished a four mile run and I feel bloody fantastic, and the missus is happy that Bolton won. I'm going to piss about on Photoshop with some of the photos I took earlier, and the football can go roger itself up the arse.Did you run round the island 4 times then? ;)
you can't turn shit into gold and while it was a favourite pastime of MON is never worked. bottom line is all we've got left is MON's shit Bent, Gabby and the kids. swap AM for ferguson and he couldn't turn our back 4 into anything more than average
Well you say that, the reality is under MON we finished consistently towards the top, challenged for Europe and appeared in cup finals.
Doesn't matter how we did that we did it, he assembled players like Young, Downing, Milner all now playing for top clubs...
It'll be many a moon before you see those days again.
Not saying this praising MON, but facts are facts, we where a force to be reckoned with and its all gone, we are a team now that is capable of going to QPR at the weekend and get beaten and badly.
Yeah, but you could park your car under a tree that didn't have a pigeon's nest
Well, I've just finished a four mile run and I feel bloody fantastic, and the missus is happy that Bolton won. I'm going to piss about on Photoshop with some of the photos I took earlier, and the football can go roger itself up the arse.Did you run round the island 4 times then? ;)
Arf! You do know that all the raw sewage from here gets pumped straight out to sea in your exact direction, right?!
Well said Villanation. You consistantly talk sense fella. Greg, I think I'm yet to see a thread that you post in, in which you don't bring up MON. You are the only person to do this.
Well, I've just finished a four mile run and I feel bloody fantastic, and the missus is happy that Bolton won. I'm going to piss about on Photoshop with some of the photos I took earlier, and the football can go roger itself up the arse.Did you run round the island 4 times then? ;)
Arf! You do know that all the raw sewage from here gets pumped straight out to sea in your exact direction, right?!
QuoteYeah, but you could park your car under a tree that didn't have a pigeon's nest
I may be being thick here but do pigeons make nests? I mean, I guess they must do but I can't remember ever seeing one. Is it like an empty polystyrene carton with some old bits of kebab in? I've seen pigeons in those. And chip cones. Is it like a chip cone?
you can't turn shit into gold and while it was a favourite pastime of MON is never worked. bottom line is all we've got left is MON's shit Bent, Gabby and the kids. swap AM for ferguson and he couldn't turn our back 4 into anything more than average
Well you say that, the reality is under MON we finished consistently towards the top, challenged for Europe and appeared in cup finals.
Doesn't matter how we did that we did it, he assembled players like Young, Downing, Milner all now playing for top clubs...
It'll be many a moon before you see those days again.
Not saying this praising MON, but facts are facts, we where a force to be reckoned with and its all gone, we are a team now that is capable of going to QPR at the weekend and get beaten and badly.
but AM hasn't got that squad. he's got the shit minus the good players MON bought
| Well you say that, the reality is under MON we finished consistently towards the top, challenged for Europe and appeared in cup finals. end and gDoesn't matter how we did that we did it, he assembled players like Young, Downing, Milner all now playing for top clubs... It'll be many a moon before you see those days again. |
Well said Villanation. You consistantly talk sense fella. Greg, I think I'm yet to see a thread that you post in, in which you don't bring up MON. You are the only person to do this.
nowt to do with blaming MON in this instance. look at our squad - it consists almost entirely of MON's mistakes. His few successes were sold last summer and this.
We are back to the O'Lleary era god help us.
Well said Villanation. You consistantly talk sense fella. Greg, I think I'm yet to see a thread that you post in, in which you don't bring up MON. You are the only person to do this.
nowt to do with blaming MON in this instance. look at our squad - it consists almost entirely of MON's mistakes. His few successes were sold last summer and this.
So who are you blaming, are you blaming MON for the players that where part of his squad that wasn't so good but he got good success with and yet now they are crap and AM can't do anything with or are you blaming MON for the fact that the club sold MON's best players after MON had gone, and could have no control over.
So who are you blaming.
Jibba, I am allocated a resident's parking space by the city council. It is beneath a tree full of pigeon nests. Its either pigeon shit or the wheel clamp gangsters. Should have used a different metaphor.
give AM 80m to spend and the same in wages i'm sure he'll get a few decent players. Hell give Barry Fry that and the law of averages he'd sign one or two good ones out of the 100 plus. Bottom line is AM's budget has been minus 15m and probably the same in wages. MON couldn't have signed Young, milner or anyone else in those circumstances
Just relax chaps...I'm sure that General Krulak will be on here later to spout his words of wisdom....
....just as soon as he's finished teaching the alphabet to his kids at school.
I don't follow you Greg? You are not blaming MON, but you brought him up. However its his fault that the team is shit, but you don't blame him? One could say that you are talking bollocks
Shocking. Abysmal. Embarrassing. Inept.
give AM 80m to spend and the same in wages i'm sure he'll get a few decent players. Hell give Barry Fry that and the law of averages he'd sign one or two good ones out of the 100 plus. Bottom line is AM's budget has been minus 15m and probably the same in wages. MON couldn't have signed Young, milner or anyone else in those circumstances
Greg:
80ML, That maybe the case, it may be a disaster and AM may simply not be able to attract or convince the right players to come, do you seriously believe that only us and noses know about the kind of negative football that AM is known to produce and that we are now experiencing first hand.
One thing that is a fact MON spent 80ML and we had some good times.......yes, that's is what its all about as a fan, don't you remember that night on the eve of the League Cup final as we all waited with great excitement to meet Manchester Utd, don't know about you mate but I want to see Gabby and lads there again, I want to see us in europe again, I want to see Alex Ferguson face again after we take 3 pts of him and watch Wenger crying into his beer. Can't see that anytime soon.
Can I congratulate everybody who went tonight for their loyalty. Me and my son were two ST holderrs who did not go tonight, £15 x 2 for tickets and £20 for petrol just too much Randy. I am afraid to say that the performance tonight every bit justfies my decision. For the club to ask ST holders for £15 to sit in their regular seats for tonights game is appaling. It is quite clear looking at tonights gate figures across the country (Wolves got just 7000!!) that this competition just does not excite fans anymore. The club should not have charged more than £8 for any seat in the ground tonight and it should have been kids for a quid. Please wake up and smell the coffee Mr Faulkener.
As for the future under AM, lets get behind the team over the coming league games and see where we are come the end of the year when the window re-opens. The manager cant change the squad til then so no point changing the manager til then.
I don't follow you Greg? You are not blaming MON, but you brought him up. However its his fault that the team is shit, but you don't blame him? One could say that you are talking bollocks
Glasses, spot on, MON is now history, we have had 2 other mangers since MON, we may not have always played the best football under MON but we definitely had success and at the end of the day that's what its all about.
give AM 80m to spend and the same in wages i'm sure he'll get a few decent players. Hell give Barry Fry that and the law of averages he'd sign one or two good ones out of the 100 plus. Bottom line is AM's budget has been minus 15m and probably the same in wages. MON couldn't have signed Young, milner or anyone else in those circumstances
Greg:
80ML, That maybe the case, it may be a disaster and AM may simply not be able to attract or convince the right players to come, do you seriously believe that only us and noses know about the kind of negative football that AM is known to produce and that we are now experiencing first hand.
One thing that is a fact MON spent 80ML and we had some good times.......yes, that's is what its all about as a fan, don't you remember that night on the eve of the League Cup final as we all waited with great excitement to meet Manchester Utd, don't know about you mate but I want to see Gabby and lads there again, I want to see us in europe again, I want to see Alex Ferguson face again after we take 3 pts of him and watch Wenger crying into his beer. Can't see that anytime soon.
You can't compare the financial circumstances AM is working under to MON's time. DOL wanted to sign Milner and couldn't. bottom line is AM couldn't have signed a Young, Milner or Downing even if he wanted to. He probably could even afford a Harewood
I don't follow you Greg? You are not blaming MON, but you brought him up. However its his fault that the team is shit, but you don't blame him? One could say that you are talking bollocks
Glasses, spot on, MON is now history, we have had 2 other mangers since MON, we may not have always played the best football under MON but we definitely had success and at the end of the day that's what its all about.
We didn't have success under MON.
Not since Brian Little have we had success. That's a long time ago.
I don't follow you Greg? You are not blaming MON, but you brought him up. However its his fault that the team is shit, but you don't blame him? One could say that you are talking bollocks
Glasses, spot on, MON is now history, we have had 2 other mangers since MON, we may not have always played the best football under MON but we definitely had success and at the end of the day that's what its all about.
We didn't have success under MON.
Not since Brian Little have we had success. That's a long time ago.
Relative to what we are producing now and last season i think you could measure it as success.
I don't follow you Greg? You are not blaming MON, but you brought him up. However its his fault that the team is shit, but you don't blame him? One could say that you are talking bollocks
Glasses, spot on, MON is now history, we have had 2 other mangers since MON, we may not have always played the best football under MON but we definitely had success and at the end of the day that's what its all about.
We didn't have success under MON.
Not since Brian Little have we had success. That's a long time ago.
Relative to what we are producing now and last season i think you could measure it as success.
Playing devil's advocate, the highest we ever finished under MON was 6th. We're currently, errr, 6th.
Although to be honest, I fail to see the relevance of O'Neill at all to this evening.
give AM 80m to spend and the same in wages i'm sure he'll get a few decent players. Hell give Barry Fry that and the law of averages he'd sign one or two good ones out of the 100 plus. Bottom line is AM's budget has been minus 15m and probably the same in wages. MON couldn't have signed Young, milner or anyone else in those circumstances
Greg:
80ML, That maybe the case, it may be a disaster and AM may simply not be able to attract or convince the right players to come, do you seriously believe that only us and noses know about the kind of negative football that AM is known to produce and that we are now experiencing first hand.
One thing that is a fact MON spent 80ML and we had some good times.......yes, that's is what its all about as a fan, don't you remember that night on the eve of the League Cup final as we all waited with great excitement to meet Manchester Utd, don't know about you mate but I want to see Gabby and lads there again, I want to see us in europe again, I want to see Alex Ferguson face again after we take 3 pts of him and watch Wenger crying into his beer. Can't see that anytime soon.
You can't compare the financial circumstances AM is working under to MON's time. DOL wanted to sign Milner and couldn't. bottom line is AM couldn't have signed a Young, Milner or Downing even if he wanted to. He probably could even afford a Harewood
Greg: I'm not comparing, what I'm saying is what AM would do with 80ML is hypothetical, we do know what MON did with it and on the whole I thought it was a pretty good 4 season's didn't you.
give AM 80m to spend and the same in wages i'm sure he'll get a few decent players. Hell give Barry Fry that and the law of averages he'd sign one or two good ones out of the 100 plus. Bottom line is AM's budget has been minus 15m and probably the same in wages. MON couldn't have signed Young, milner or anyone else in those circumstances
Greg:
80ML, That maybe the case, it may be a disaster and AM may simply not be able to attract or convince the right players to come, do you seriously believe that only us and noses know about the kind of negative football that AM is known to produce and that we are now experiencing first hand.
One thing that is a fact MON spent 80ML and we had some good times.......yes, that's is what its all about as a fan, don't you remember that night on the eve of the League Cup final as we all waited with great excitement to meet Manchester Utd, don't know about you mate but I want to see Gabby and lads there again, I want to see us in europe again, I want to see Alex Ferguson face again after we take 3 pts of him and watch Wenger crying into his beer. Can't see that anytime soon.
You can't compare the financial circumstances AM is working under to MON's time. DOL wanted to sign Milner and couldn't. bottom line is AM couldn't have signed a Young, Milner or Downing even if he wanted to. He probably could even afford a Harewood
Greg: I'm not comparing, what I'm saying is what AM would do with 80ML is hypothetical, we do know what MON did with it and on the whole I thought it was a pretty good 4 season's didn't you.
80m and the same in wages for 6th? In comparison to what his predecessors did with a fraction of the money?
NAH
QuoteYeah, but you could park your car under a tree that didn't have a pigeon's nest
I may be being thick here but do pigeons make nests? I mean, I guess they must do but I can't remember ever seeing one. Is it like an empty polystyrene carton with some old bits of kebab in? I've seen pigeons in those. And chip cones. Is it like a chip cone?
"We know we're not Manchester United but we're blooding young players and trying to fast-track them to do well in the league and cups.”
It worries me more that the message is Lerner wants to stay and is in no way thinking of selling.
The people claiming it was rubbish from start to finish weren't watching properly. We also did a lot of crap things but I still say there's a team in there somewhere when we get the balance right.
Bolton did a job on us, pressed us high up the pitch to stop us building from the back and then picking us off, as their players were all at least 6 inches taller than ours, when we were forced to launch it forward. They were the better side and deserved to win.
That said, we got ourselves into good positions on numerous occasions but then wasted the finsl ball. Marc Albrighton was by far the worst culprit, he had a stinker and to compound it he made the mistake for their first goal. The people claiming it was rubbish from start to finish weren't watching properly. We did put together sone decent passing but too often it broke down when we got near their penalty area. Contrary to what others have said Ireksnd was ok, he was at least trying to make things happen. We also did a lot of crap things but I still say there's a team in there somewhere when we get the balance right.
It worries me more that the message is Lerner wants to stay and is in no way thinking of selling.
Other than Faulkner - and he won't tell us - I doubt anyone truly knows what Lerner's intentions are going forward.
It worries me more that the message is Lerner wants to stay and is in no way thinking of selling.
Other than Faulkner - and he won't tell us - I doubt anyone truly knows what Lerner's intentions are going forward.
I think his intentions are more about going backward.
What a load of tripe is being said. The owner invested and supported the then manager in the hope of breaking into the top 4. It didn't work and it wSnt the owners fault.
As a consequence the club lost £35m so the the owner has decided to sort the balance sheet out. Thank god for that. If he hadn't and he didn't carry on throwing money in we would go bust.
As for last night, was it the owners fault? No. Was it the managers fault? No.
I think a few on this thread should start using theirs heads to think with and their feet to dance with.
Well after travelling down and back to manchester at breakneck speed I wish I hadn't bothered. Utter utter Blues.
It worries me more that the message is Lerner wants to stay and is in no way thinking of selling.
Other than Faulkner - and he won't tell us - I doubt anyone truly knows what Lerner's intentions are going forward.
I think his intentions are more about going backward.
I don't for one minute think those are his intentions, but it's happening, of that there is no doubt.
Well.... i was working until 2200... this is how apathetic I currently am.... I forgot to even check what the score was until I just got up! Now that IS bad! Last time I cared as less as this was under DOL and then go back to probably 1986/7.
What a load of tripe is being said. The owner invested and supported the then manager in the hope of breaking into the top 4. It didn't work and it wSnt the owners fault.
As a consequence the club lost £35m so the the owner has decided to sort the balance sheet out. Thank god for that. If he hadn't and he didn't carry on throwing money in we would go bust.
As for last night, was it the owners fault? No. Was it the managers fault? No.
I think a few on this thread should start using theirs heads to think with and their feet to dance with.
What a load of tripe is being said. The owner invested and supported the then manager in the hope of breaking into the top 4. It didn't work and it wSnt the owners fault.
How is it not Randy's fault?
As a consequence the club lost £35m so the the owner has decided to sort the balance sheet out. Thank god for that. If he hadn't and he didn't carry on throwing money in we would go bust.
As for last night, was it the owners fault? No. Was it the managers fault? No.
I think a few on this thread should start using theirs heads to think with and their feet to dance with.
What a load of tripe is being said. The owner invested and supported the then manager in the hope of breaking into the top 4. It didn't work and it wSnt the owners fault.
How is it not Randy's fault?
As a consequence the club lost £35m so the the owner has decided to sort the balance sheet out. Thank god for that. If he hadn't and he didn't carry on throwing money in we would go bust.
As for last night, was it the owners fault? No. Was it the managers fault? No.
I think a few on this thread should start using theirs heads to think with and their feet to dance with.
Reo-Cocker would have done a job last night for us...scary that he couldn't even make it into their reserve team.
What a load of tripe is being said. The owner invested and supported the then manager in the hope of breaking into the top 4. It didn't work and it wSnt the owners fault.
As a consequence the club lost £35m so the the owner has decided to sort the balance sheet out. Thank god for that. If he hadn't and he didn't carry on throwing money in we would go bust.
As for last night, was it the owners fault? No. Was it the managers fault? No.
I think a few on this thread should start using theirs heads to think with and their feet to dance with.
We were not on the verge of going bust at all - you make it sound as if we were Portsmouth, which is far from the truth.
Even if you accept your hypothesis that we were on the road to ruin, then it is odd that you absolve the owner from any blame for that.
What kind of person sees it as a sensible business plan to have a roll of the dice at the CL (which, lest we forget, might have wound up in two matches followed by exit) knowing that the consequences of not getting it would be risking the continued existence of the club?
Furthermore, you make it sound like people don't think there need to be reductions in spending / wages etc, which is simply not true. I don't think there's a single person on here who doesn't appreciate that.
The question mark is over how quickly we are attempting to do it, and a lot of us have said for a while that we think it is being done far too quickly, and will both throw away the progress of the last five years and send the club backwards.
Again, what kind of business plan is it which involves throwing the baby out with the bathwater so comprehensively?
You're quite right, it is time some posters started using their heads to think - and that includes those who think it is as overly simple and clear cut, when it is not.
All I can say is you lot should have been there when the Bradford (Including beanpole) beat us 5-0 at home. Zenith Data systems or some such rot. Believe me -it can get worse. :'(
The board is the problem very clearly, not the manager. You sell our best two players, then you sell/loan our first choice right back, one of our few centre midfielders on top of releasing a load of players. You then give the manager a fraction of the money to replace them with, you are going to be fucked. That's what we are and it is the board's fault.
All I can say is you lot should have been there when the Bradford (Including beanpole) beat us 5-0 at home. Zenith Data systems or some such rot. Believe me -it can get worse. :'(
Simod Cup Round 1, Wed 11th Nov, 1987; attendance: 4,217. I was there.
All I can say is you lot should have been there when the Bradford (Including beanpole) beat us 5-0 at home. Zenith Data systems or some such rot. Believe me -it can get worse. :'(
Simod Cup Round 1, Wed 11th Nov, 1987; attendance: 4,217. I was there.
I was there too. I knew the attendance was poor but I didn't realise it was that small. When we signed Ormondroyd just over a year later I was quite pleased because I remembered the havoc he caused that night.
All I can say is you lot should have been there when the Bradford (Including beanpole) beat us 5-0 at home. Zenith Data systems or some such rot. Believe me -it can get worse. :'(
Simod Cup Round 1, Wed 11th Nov, 1987; attendance: 4,217. I was there.
I was there too. I knew the attendance was poor but I didn't realise it was that small. When we signed Ormondroyd just over a year later I was quite pleased because I remembered the havoc he caused that night.
All I can say is you lot should have been there when the Bradford (Including beanpole) beat us 5-0 at home. Zenith Data systems or some such rot. Believe me -it can get worse. :'(
Simod Cup Round 1, Wed 11th Nov, 1987; attendance: 4,217. I was there.