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Title: New keeper
Post by: Concrete John on May 25, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
Hope this is OK in it's own thread?

I was just wondering what the general consensus was on who are new keeper should be.  Think I've included all the names currently being linked and suggested.  And to keep life simple this is based on being our straight first choice and no Foster/Westwood or the like combinations.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: DBTW on May 25, 2011, 04:06:02 PM
Friedel with Joe Lewis
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Ger Regan on May 25, 2011, 04:06:32 PM
Stekelenburg? I'd be surprised if we limited ourselves to UK-based goalies, to be honest.
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Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 25, 2011, 04:10:48 PM
Stekelenburg? I'd be surprised if we limited ourselves to UK-based goalies, to be honest.

He is quality! If we couldn't get him I would be happy with Robinson and Westwood.
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Post by: TaxDodger on May 25, 2011, 04:14:17 PM
Alan McGregor.
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Post by: TheSandman on May 25, 2011, 04:15:12 PM
Robinson
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Post by: citizenDJ on May 25, 2011, 04:18:54 PM
I've voted for Foster, but most of them would probably be alright, to be honest. Well, maybe not Kirkland.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Damo70 on May 25, 2011, 04:19:18 PM
I posted on the summer transfer thread about Stekelenburg. He's right up there with the best in the world. With the Dutch league being poor and Ajax no longer a force in Europe, it's got to be worth a try. Out of the ones listed I'd prefer Given. I think Friedel has shown how a quality experienced goalkeeper can make a big difference. Kirkwood could have been a great but he's got a chronic back problem that isn't going to go away. Heard Pinnochio on Sky saying he could have been better than Clemence and Grobelaar but they had to get rid because they couldn't guarantee he could make an away trip without his back seizing up on the way.
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Post by: TimTheVillain on May 25, 2011, 04:21:03 PM
Foster.

Almost kept Blose up.
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Post by: ktvillan on May 25, 2011, 04:26:00 PM
Robinson's consistency has improved a lot the last few years and I'd take him, Foster or Given out of that lot.  Probably Foster as he's a good age and looks a very good keeper.

Brad not consistently good enough to be our no. 1, maybe as backup.
Green drops too many clangers.
Kirkland used to be very good but appears to be made of glass.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 25, 2011, 04:35:53 PM
Robinson. But would not be unhappy with Friedal for at least another season ....
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Post by: The Situation on May 25, 2011, 04:54:01 PM
Would be happy with either Foster or Robinson.

I've heard good things about Stekelenburg but haven't really seen him properly.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Surrey Villain on May 25, 2011, 04:57:48 PM
Al Habsi keeps getting mentioned.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Surrey Villain on May 25, 2011, 04:58:53 PM
Foster.

Almost kept Blose up.

Hart did the year before.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 25, 2011, 05:00:01 PM
I've gone for Robbinson on the basis of his experience.  He's steady.  Blues fans that I know have been less convinced by Foster in the final qtr of the season.  But I think Foster could be the more getable as he's settled in Birmingham by all accounts.
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Post by: spangley1812 on May 25, 2011, 05:01:34 PM
Stekelenburg.......please
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Post by: pedro25 on May 25, 2011, 05:04:13 PM
Foster is a Leamington lad so I imagine he would be happy staying in the area, I'd go for him.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: DB on May 25, 2011, 05:08:17 PM
Alan McGregor.

Good shout.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: DeKuip on May 25, 2011, 05:12:56 PM
Billy the Fish (jnr)
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: gervilla on May 25, 2011, 05:20:26 PM
Brad does need to be replaced.
From that list I'd be happy with anyone except Green and Kirkland.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 25, 2011, 05:27:59 PM
Robinson or Ajax goalkeeper for me.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: KevinGage on May 25, 2011, 05:31:13 PM
Some real big bastard, from the frozen wastes of Northern Scandinavia or Siberia. 6ft 8 with hands like shovels. He won't need to come for crosses or set pieces, no opposition forward will be foolish enough to go anywhere near him.

Failing that, Foster or Stekelenburg.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: glasses on May 25, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
Robbo. Much better than people give him credit for
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Merv on May 25, 2011, 05:39:10 PM
Foster or Robinson for me. Actually, Robinson or Foster, in that order. Robinson more steady but already in his 30s, Foster could grow into the complete 'keeper as he's younger.

Given - age against him now, plus injury concerns. Green still seems too error prone to me - that Wigan winner confirmed it for me. Kirkland has the worst injury record of any player, ever. Westwood I've never seen play. Stekelenburg I think will be out of our reach.

Failing that, I do like Kev Gage's suggestion. I wonder if that massive Russian boxer - Nikolai Valuev - fancies a change of career?

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Post by: darren woolley on May 25, 2011, 05:57:49 PM
I would go for Foster but if we couldn't get him I would go for Robinson.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 25, 2011, 06:10:35 PM
Foster or give Al Habsi a go.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: l_mckay on May 25, 2011, 06:23:57 PM
Robinson or Given would be my choice
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 25, 2011, 06:29:06 PM
Would be happy with Brad for another year, but if not, then Paul Robinson. Ben Foster doesn't command his box.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Villan For Life on May 25, 2011, 06:30:47 PM
Foster but only after a thorough delousing following his sojurn in Small Heath, backed up by Westwood
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Post by: charlie659 on May 25, 2011, 06:32:08 PM
Foster - good keeper and 'they' would be properly pissed off  ;D
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: pooligan on May 25, 2011, 06:35:26 PM
Robinson for me,after all the last keeper we poached from Blackburn has done ok
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: The Left Side on May 25, 2011, 06:55:19 PM
Robinson first choice with Westwood or Foster as options 2 or 3 for me
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: RodtheVillan on May 25, 2011, 08:01:02 PM
Robinson or Alex McCarthy from Reading.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2011, 08:16:39 PM
Get Foster. Pretty please.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Dave on May 25, 2011, 08:27:50 PM
Handanovic.

Stekelenburg won't happen, he has turned down Man Utd in the past. I can't imagine we would really turn his head.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Legion on May 25, 2011, 08:40:02 PM
Hart.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2011, 08:40:55 PM
Foster or outside the UK for me.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: BedsVillain on May 25, 2011, 08:43:51 PM
I'd like us to look abroad for our new keeper and look at someone who would be a long term candidate. I think value for money will be the order of the day. Some decent options for us: Samir Handanovic, Steklenberg, Sergio Romero, Emiliano Viviano. From the Britsh contingent Robinson, Westwood, Foster in that order, definitely not Rob Green please!!
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: nuninho on May 25, 2011, 08:48:59 PM
Robinson.  Would be interesting to see how he does in a decent team.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: mattjpa on May 25, 2011, 08:53:17 PM
Ive chosen Robinson but id prefer Ali Al Habsi over all on the list I think.....
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 25, 2011, 08:53:58 PM
I hated Foster as he made save after save , keeping Blose in the game , most of the season. So foster for me , with Robinson a close second.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Dave on May 25, 2011, 08:57:24 PM
Hart.
With Messi to replace Young in midfield?
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Legion on May 25, 2011, 08:58:04 PM
Yes please.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Matt Collins on May 25, 2011, 09:21:44 PM
I'm still struggling to believe that Brad will leave to be reserve at Liverpool. If he does, its Robinson for me. Foster looks good most of the time, but he makes a few ricketts and his kicking from the deck is absolutely awful.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: the-farmer on May 25, 2011, 09:30:01 PM
Foster for me, he was outstanding at Wembley
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2011, 09:43:54 PM
I like Westwood.

Al Habsi also impressed me at Wigan.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 25, 2011, 10:08:06 PM
Some real big bastard, from the frozen wastes of Northern Scandinavia or Siberia. 6ft 8 with hands like shovels. He won't need to come for crosses or set pieces, no opposition forward will be foolish enough to go anywhere near him.

How about Ivan Drago from Lokomotiv Dogski and Duckzov?
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2011, 10:18:05 PM
Not Foster
Not Green
Not Robinson
Not Kirkland

Keep Brad for another season and get Westwood. If Brad goes sign Given.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: The Left Side on May 25, 2011, 10:20:37 PM
Some real big bastard, from the frozen wastes of Northern Scandinavia or Siberia. 6ft 8 with hands like shovels. He won't need to come for crosses or set pieces, no opposition forward will be foolish enough to go anywhere near him.

How about Ivan Drago from Lokomotiv Dogski and Duckzov?

Wasn't he in Rocky IV?
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Grande Pablo on May 25, 2011, 10:23:16 PM
I understand Friedel wants the security of a 2 year contract having recently been made bankrupt, which is quite understandable.  Irregardless of this we need to move on.

Westwood is being heavily linked to Sunderland tonight.

Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 26, 2011, 08:08:08 AM
Robinson's got over that rocky spell he endured at Spurs and for me is back to his best when he was England's number one keeper.

Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: villasjf on May 26, 2011, 08:46:03 AM
Westwood is out of contract, but from what I have seen of Ali Al Habsi I would go for him.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Markerton on May 26, 2011, 08:49:30 AM
Stekelenburg? I'd be surprised if we limited ourselves to UK-based goalies, to be honest.

I purchased him on Football Manager 2010 ... he conceded 10 goals all season.

On that basis, he must be excellent.

:o
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: DrGonzo on May 26, 2011, 08:54:14 AM
If Westwood is available on a free then he is a no brainer, it's a question of whether we can convince Friedel to stay another year.  That's the financially intelligent decision.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: evalast1910 on May 26, 2011, 09:03:39 AM
Alex Smithies, Joe Lewis and Scott Loach.

Sign ALL three!!!
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: *shellac* on May 26, 2011, 10:16:36 AM
Ajax are Dutch champions so we can chalk Skeleton off the list.  His understudy, Jeroen Verhoeven a.k.a. "Meatball" or "Pizza" might be available.

Robinson & Foster for me.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Caiphus on May 26, 2011, 10:34:58 AM
Igor Akinfeev, he's only 6'1, but he's got reflexes out the wazoo and balls and fists of steel.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 26, 2011, 11:22:37 AM
Allan McGregor is class, but he wants to sign a new contract so cant see it
Foster, Green, Robinson would all be brilliant, Robinson been stunning last 2 years, Green has so many shots to save he's bound to make a mistake every so often, same goes for Foster, in fact if it wasn't for Foster theyd have been relegated before Spammers

I do like Friedel, but he doesn't command his area enough for me, its a big worry
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: nicardinho on May 27, 2011, 05:02:18 PM
Robinson, Green, Kirkland - no thanks.

All three are totally gaffe-prone, and turn the saying about goalkeepers regularly earning points for the team on it's head.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Mister E on May 27, 2011, 05:04:37 PM
Should really be Friedel wiith a good young keeper to play at least 50% of the games.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: john e on May 27, 2011, 05:16:34 PM
have we still got Gusan ?
[i know its not spelt with a s, but my * doesnt work on my PC]
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: robbo1874 on May 29, 2011, 08:01:51 AM
how is friedel bankrupt? how can any premiership footballer be that skint they have to be declared bankrupt, on their wages
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Post by: gaucho1966 on May 29, 2011, 08:18:09 AM
how is friedel bankrupt? how can any premiership footballer be that skint they have to be declared bankrupt, on their wages

I think his football academy in the states has gone belly up. He invested his personal fortune into it.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Caiphus on May 29, 2011, 08:18:24 AM
A fool and his money are easily parted...
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Post by: LeeB on May 29, 2011, 08:45:09 AM
ABG - Anyone But Green.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Shrek on May 29, 2011, 09:10:07 AM
ABG - Anyone But Green.

Yes
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: robinleper on May 30, 2011, 07:32:05 AM
Does Freidel have a clause in his contract to say the he has to play every Premiership game? The first game he gets dropped will be a big story in the media.
I agree he is an excellent shot stopper, he has however looked very suspect with crosses and generally commanding his area.
Perhaps an excellent backup keeper and the management team telling him he has to really fight for his place in the team rather than having a  guaranteed first team like he has the last 2 seasons.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: *shellac* on May 30, 2011, 07:49:44 AM
have we still got Gusan ?
[i know its not spelt with a s, but my * doesnt work on my PC]
Maybe I can loan you one of mine.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: berneboy on May 30, 2011, 08:59:37 AM
Why is Shay Given being ignored?
He was and presumably still is one of the very best.

Perhaps his lack of height is perceived as a problem but he is 6 1.
Maybe his age is a problem at 35 but goalies seem to age well.

Get Shay.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 30, 2011, 09:11:12 AM
Why is Shay Given being ignored?
He was and presumably still is one of the very best.

Perhaps his lack of height is perceived as a problem but he is 6 1.
Maybe his age is a problem at 35 but goalies seem to age well.

Get Shay.

He's probably on so much money at Man City that other clubs can't afford him.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Countryside Villain on May 30, 2011, 11:20:31 AM
Igor Akinfeev, he's only 6'1, but he's got reflexes out the wazoo and balls and fists of steel.

A terrific keeper but way out of our league.  The wages alone would be crippling for all but Citeh, let alone the transfer fee.

Nice to dream though.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Irish villain on May 30, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
Shay Given would probably take a pay cut to play regularly. He's the sort of guy that just wants to play.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on May 30, 2011, 11:36:40 AM
i want foster and westwood to cover and compete with each other...
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 30, 2011, 11:48:20 AM
Foster or McGregor.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: tricky dicky on May 30, 2011, 11:54:45 AM
i would go for robinson and mc carthy eng u21 keeper from reading
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 30, 2011, 11:56:41 AM
Robinson is a good shout, done well since going Blackburn
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on May 30, 2011, 12:14:45 PM
robinson always has good natured banter with the holte end too...

he is a good shout...
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 30, 2011, 12:45:48 PM
Friedel is about to sign for Spurs on a two year deal as 1st choice. we won't match that. If we were buying from this country I would say Robinson.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Matt C on May 30, 2011, 01:51:03 PM
As above, if we're getting someone from England then Robinson makes sense.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 30, 2011, 02:05:51 PM
Out of that list i'd go for Robinson. Green and Foster have too much of Carson about them for me. Given is a bit ring rusty,good shot stopper,but doesnt command the area enough,and with our back four we need someone who can be commanding.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 30, 2011, 02:07:07 PM
Anyone every noticed that we sell or release an entire playing squad every summer before we even contemplate replacing players.  Meanting that more than likely we will pay top dollar when we do decide to make a move in the market.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 30, 2011, 02:15:47 PM
Out of the list I'd say Robinson too. How much do we reckon Blackburn will be asking for him though?
Given is the only other I would take, but as with any citeh player, the wages will be an issue. A splendid goalkeeper though, who should leave that place and resurrect his career. I'm sure he has enough money by now!
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Villanation on May 30, 2011, 02:23:23 PM
Anyone every noticed that we sell or release an entire playing squad every summer before we even contemplate replacing players.  Meanting that more than likely we will pay top dollar when we do decide to make a move in the market.


 :)


Its amazing really, you could easily come to the conclusion that you have a whole squad of players in the blocks waiting for the starting pistol and "bang", They're of......


Robinson or Foster..

Green makes some real errors of judgement for me.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: TheSandman on May 30, 2011, 02:24:29 PM
If players are not very good there is no point in giving them new contracts just so we save money replacing them. Especially when they were so shit that nobody will be willing to pay us for them. See for example Pires, Salifou and Osbourne. Contracts expire on the 31st of May so we have to release them by then if we don't want to give them new deals.

Also, how can we keep players who let their contracts expire as seems to be the case with NRC or Friedel. Both of them played pretty much every game last season and the club made noises about extending their deals. Neither seems to have had sensible demands or possibly even been willing to sign new deals. Friedel didn't even make the released list indicating that he had been made an offer and was weighing up his options.

As for selling players: What can we do? If Man Yoo or City offer us huge amounts for a player who wants to leave they will leave. Anything else is largely impractical. Have we ever sold a player who doesn't want to leave or has not gone for a dizzying offer elsewhere without replacing them. Have we sold anyone I've missed?

Besides we will probably lose as much on the sell on value of a player we have replaced without selling as we will have had to have paid extra for a new player if we'd sold them earlier.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 30, 2011, 03:31:37 PM
Why Brad Friedel is in strong demand ? I can't understand that.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: TheSandman on May 30, 2011, 03:38:10 PM
Because he's a good goal keeper? The only issue is that he's a bit old. Some of the criticism of him on here this season has been over the top and he has saved us quite a few points. Any goalkeeper would struggle with our defenders in front of him.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: spangley1812 on May 30, 2011, 03:40:57 PM
Because he's a good goal keeper? The only issue is that he's a bit old. Some of the criticism of him on here this season has been over the top and he has saved us quite a few points. Any goalkeeper would struggle with our defenders in front of him.
is spot on.............
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Shrek on May 30, 2011, 05:24:09 PM
Out of the list I'd say Robinson too. How much do we reckon Blackburn will be asking for him though?
Given is the only other I would take, but as with any citeh player, the wages will be an issue. A splendid goalkeeper though, who should leave that place and resurrect his career. I'm sure he has enough money by now!

Blackburn should give us him, after mugging us with Warnock
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: enigma on May 30, 2011, 06:44:45 PM
Because he's a good goal keeper? The only issue is that he's a bit old. Some of the criticism of him on here this season has been over the top and he has saved us quite a few points. Any goalkeeper would struggle with our defenders in front of him.

My thoughts exactly. I'd be happy for him to stay. We're not going to match a two year contract though so good luck to him.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Villanation on May 30, 2011, 08:22:36 PM
It looks like Friedal has signed for Spurs on a 2 year contract............being said/rumour, done deal.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 30, 2011, 08:35:50 PM
Because he's a good goal keeper? The only issue is that he's a bit old. Some of the criticism of him on here this season has been over the top and he has saved us quite a few points. Any goalkeeper would struggle with our defenders in front of him.
is spot on.............

And he's available on a free transfer..
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 30, 2011, 09:13:06 PM
1st choice - Foster
2nd choice - Given

Down to money !
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: spangley1812 on May 30, 2011, 09:27:15 PM
Because he's a good goal keeper? The only issue is that he's a bit old. Some of the criticism of him on here this season has been over the top and he has saved us quite a few points. Any goalkeeper would struggle with our defenders in front of him.
is spot on.............

And he's available on a free transfer..

I reckon it would have been better to give Brad the 2 year deal he wanted and bring in Scott Loach, Joe Lewis or Kieran Westwood and get them used to the club, defenders, etc rather than lose Brad on a free and have to pay £7/8m for a decent goalie and then the new keeper just having a few weeks to work with the defenders
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Lobsterboy on May 30, 2011, 09:39:29 PM
I would like Shay Given but he's probably on silly money and not played first team football all season so on that basis I would be more than happy with Foster

Friedel has done a good job for us but is now 40 and I would rather see him go with some happy memories than watch him get steadily worse over the next two seasons and wonder why on earth we offered him a new contract...

Please God not Robert Green though...
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 30, 2011, 11:20:39 PM
I would like Shay Given but he's probably on silly money and not played first team football all season so on that basis I would be more than happy with Foster

Friedel has done a good job for us but is now 40 and I would rather see him go with some happy memories than watch him get steadily worse over the next two seasons and wonder why on earth we offered him a new contract...

Please God not Robert Green though...

I don't think Shay would be on silly money - no more than most Prem players .... and he'd be less costly than Foster.

Saying that - I'd prefer Foster marginally.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: wozwebs on May 30, 2011, 11:55:42 PM
Alan McGregor for £5m say the Guardian
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Irish villain on May 31, 2011, 12:00:25 AM
It looks like Friedal has signed for Spurs on a 2 year contract............being said/rumour, done deal.

Best of luck Brad, here's hoping we got the best years out of you!
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 31, 2011, 12:09:50 AM
Aston Villa set to press ahead with move for Rangers' Allan McGregor

    Stuart James
    guardian.co.uk, Monday 30 May 2011 22.31 BST

Gérard Houllier is expected to press ahead with plans to sign the Rangers goalkeeper Allan McGregor if he is cleared to return to work this week.

The Aston Villa manager has been recuperating at home since he was discharged from hospital last month, after suffering a dissection of the descending aorta.

Houllier's position will become clear once doctors reveal the results of what is understood to be a fourth and final set of tests.

The goalkeeping position has become a priority at Villa because of the imminent departure of Brad Friedel, who has attracted strong interest from Liverpool and Tottenham Hotspur and is certain to leave the Midlands.

McGregor, who has two years remaining on his contract at Rangers, has been on Houllier's radar for some time and is the Frenchman's first choice to replace Friedel. The 29-year-old would be valued at about £5m

 The Guardian - Clicky  (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/30/aston-villa-allan-mcgregor-rangers)
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Irish villain on May 31, 2011, 12:18:31 AM
Don't know much about McGregor, what's the verdict?
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: TheSandman on May 31, 2011, 12:38:12 AM
He's good. :)

Has made some great saves when I've watched him.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: brontebilly on May 31, 2011, 05:55:54 AM
Nervous enough about signing players for that kind of money from the SPL. Petrov and Cuellar have at times shown their quality but dont think they have been great value for money in hindsight.

McGregor is a dubious enough character too, flicking v signs at his national team coach from the bench and been involved in other off field incidents.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Matt Collins on May 31, 2011, 08:23:12 AM
Presumably all transfers on hold till the new boss is in. I hope we don't miss the boat with transfer opportunities as a result.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: jonzy85 on May 31, 2011, 11:12:21 AM
Don't know much about McGregor, what's the verdict?

See his attempt to save Robbie Keane's shot on Sunday?

The irony of that f*** up in the same week he is linked to Villa makes me cry.

In the same match, Given pulled off a world class save from Bardsley.

Given is a no brainer for me, if City are going to let him go. He may well be on crazy money at City, but he has said enough times over the past year he is desperate for first team football, so I think he would be more than happy to take a pay cut.

I accept Foster has improved a lot this year, but that is one good season on the back of a couple of seasons where he looked quite dodgy. He might be younger than Given, but at 28, it has taken him a good while to establish himself as a Premier League keeper.

Given has at least 4-5 years at the top left in him, this year off will have lengthened that if anything. He's been a regular top performer in the Premier League since 1997, whereas Foster really only has 1 full year as PL keeper (think he did ok that year Watford though, all I remember is Robinson scoring on him.)

All Foster has over Given is that he is younger, but I think we can see in modern football, the best keepers seem to be the ones with all the years experience behind them.

Would take either over McGregor.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 31, 2011, 01:18:34 PM
Don't know much about McGregor, what's the verdict?

See his attempt to save Robbie Keane's shot on Sunday?

The irony of that f*** up in the same week he is linked to Villa makes me cry.

In the same match, Given pulled off a world class save from Bardsley.

Given is a no brainer for me, if City are going to let him go. He may well be on crazy money at City, but he has said enough times over the past year he is desperate for first team football, so I think he would be more than happy to take a pay cut.

I accept Foster has improved a lot this year, but that is one good season on the back of a couple of seasons where he looked quite dodgy. He might be younger than Given, but at 28, it has taken him a good while to establish himself as a Premier League keeper.

Given has at least 4-5 years at the top left in him, this year off will have lengthened that if anything. He's been a regular top performer in the Premier League since 1997, whereas Foster really only has 1 full year as PL keeper (think he did ok that year Watford though, all I remember is Robinson scoring on him.)

All Foster has over Given is that he is younger, but I think we can see in modern football, the best keepers seem to be the ones with all the years experience behind them.

Would take either over McGregor.
Trouble is Given doesnt have any command of his area, just like Friedel, if we were to sign Given itd be a waste because we have better in Friedel imo
McGregor is good, he's been consistant all season making some amazing saves and winning the title was alot to do with him. He's got more to his game than saving the ball too!
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 31, 2011, 03:00:55 PM
I'll take the Rangers keeper over Robert 'easily rattled' Green.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: TheSandman on May 31, 2011, 03:07:31 PM
I wouldn't touch Given with a barge pole. He's 35 and has had a lot of injuries and whilst a good shot stopper he has such a poor command of his area and back four that they invariably look very poor.

Think about the times he's played for Newcastle and their back four has looked poor and how poor Toure and Lescott looked in front of him for City. I'm not sure it's that he has always had the misfortune of playing with poor centre halves.

Anyway I think he'll be off to the graveyard for not quite good enough Irish players that is Celtic. Hopefully with Dunne and (so that we don't sign him) Keane.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: holtepaul on May 31, 2011, 06:03:02 PM
New twist to this depending on manager situation.

I want foster.

However, if Moyes comes, I would presume he will attempt to bring Howard with him (and as Everton are skint, presume he would come)

I like Howard - surprised he hasn't been mentioned before now to be honest, even before todays announcement.

Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: usav on May 31, 2011, 06:07:02 PM
Good continuity in American keepers as well :-)
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: mozza on May 31, 2011, 10:39:51 PM
He nearly kept them in the Premier but I wouldn't mind him between the sticks at Villa Park   
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: adrenachrome on May 31, 2011, 10:42:39 PM
He nearly kept them in the Premier but I wouldn't mind him between the sticks at Villa Park   

Oooh you're bold!
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 31, 2011, 10:49:18 PM
No one's mentioned Tim Howard yet I think....

If Moyes comes here, be interested to see if he makes a move.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Dave on May 31, 2011, 10:59:56 PM
I might be wrong, but I'm sure that it's standard that when a manager leaves a club it's written into the severance package that a certain amount of time has to pass before he is allowed to sign players from that club.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: jonzy85 on June 01, 2011, 10:14:49 AM
I wouldn't touch Given with a barge pole. He's 35 and has had a lot of injuries and whilst a good shot stopper he has such a poor command of his area and back four that they invariably look very poor.

Think about the times he's played for Newcastle and their back four has looked poor and how poor Toure and Lescott looked in front of him for City. I'm not sure it's that he has always had the misfortune of playing with poor centre halves.

Anyway I think he'll be off to the graveyard for not quite good enough Irish players that is Celtic. Hopefully with Dunne and (so that we don't sign him) Keane.

Would love to know where this started about Given having "such a poor command of his area." Besides it not being true, it is only in the last year that it has been levelled at him. Was there some "credible" journalist that wrote about this that I must have missed? The consistent reason that used to be given as to why none of the top clubs signed was that he was too small. Only since he joined City has the above garbage been bandied about.

As for command over a back 4....besides Newcastle having an amusing habit of signing comically calamitous centre backs, they also used to sign them with such frequency that they never were able to form a partnership, let alone an understanding with Given...however, the over riding factor would be that they were all gash...name me 1 that played in front of him for any length of time and went on to greater things.

Also, I've watched him over the years play behind some cringingly bad back 4s including the like of McShane. Yet Given manages to marshal them through it somehow. This is borne out by the fact that Ireland rarely get thumped the way they should at times. When he's not there we are liable to i.e. conceding 5 against Cyprus.

At 35, I think he has 4-5 years at the top left. People may say that Foster at 27 is a more sound investment which is fair enough. My belief is that for a keeper you need someone who can go in and perform immediately and not grow into the roll so they might have some sell on value. One decent season for Foster hasnt got me convinced.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Summers on June 01, 2011, 10:31:52 AM
I might be wrong, but I'm sure that it's standard that when a manager leaves a club it's written into the severance package that a certain amount of time has to pass before he is allowed to sign players from that club.

Never really thought about that. Which is a shame. If Moyes did come I'd love to see Howard follow him. Great keeper.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 01, 2011, 10:40:50 AM
I might be wrong, but I'm sure that it's standard that when a manager leaves a club it's written into the severance package that a certain amount of time has to pass before he is allowed to sign players from that club.

Never really thought about that. Which is a shame. If Moyes did come I'd love to see Howard follow him. Great keeper.

....and Arteta, and Fellatio, and Rodwell.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Summers on June 01, 2011, 10:46:00 AM
Rodwell is destined for United it seems. Arteta and Baines I'd take in a heartbeat. Felliani's quite handy too.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on June 01, 2011, 05:12:31 PM
I say Westwood.
Put him on one post and his caddie on the other. At corners the caddie is allowed to take out strikers with a driver. ;D
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: BILL DE VALL on June 02, 2011, 02:26:21 PM
Wolves release 'mental american'Goalie Hanananamanamanamanamamanan

if we want more yank shotstoppers

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6963192,00.html
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Neil Hawkes on June 02, 2011, 02:30:06 PM
I might be wrong, but I'm sure that it's standard that when a manager leaves a club it's written into the severance package that a certain amount of time has to pass before he is allowed to sign players from that club.

Never really thought about that. Which is a shame. If Moyes did come I'd love to see Howard follow him. Great keeper.


Surely not.......didn't Redknapp decimate Portsmouth immediately after leaving to Spuds?
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: MoetVillan on June 02, 2011, 03:54:17 PM
Plus Everton need to sell players for some revenue
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Mark H on June 02, 2011, 08:35:01 PM
It will be Ben Foster ;)
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: The Left Side on June 02, 2011, 08:40:28 PM
It will be Ben Foster ;)

Interesting, have you got a reilible source?
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on June 03, 2011, 10:32:11 AM
i hope its foster...
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Concrete John on June 03, 2011, 10:35:25 AM
It will be Ben Foster ;)

A nose I know put that on Facebook.  Can't see that being the case yet as surely the new manager will want to pick his own keeper.  If he does pick Foster, then great!
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Denham Villain on June 03, 2011, 11:18:00 AM
Robert green is going to be heading to villa as a replacement for friedel who has signed a 2 year deal at spurs - according to Talksport
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: holtepaul on June 03, 2011, 11:33:54 AM
I am really shocked, and really disappointed by all this.

Not by Freidal leaving, I think that was obvious last week. But that it has been done before a manager has been appointed. What about if the new manager wanted Freidal to stay ? , Redknapp clearly feels he has two years left, what about if the new manager thought that as well.

Was Freidal out of contract , I can't remember, if so, then we obviously can't stop him, but I would have thought all incomings and outgoings should be put on hold to see what the new man wants.

Good look Freidal. We have had some superb goalies in my lifetime - Bozzie , Spink, Rimmer - you were up there with all of them (apart from Bozzie I will admit  - he's the best we've had ever !)
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Concrete John on June 03, 2011, 11:41:19 AM
What about if the new manager wanted Freidal to stay ? , Redknapp clearly feels he has two years left, what about if the new manager thought that as well.

Randy would have said "I'm not giving a two year contract to a 40 year old."  And rightly so.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Irish villain on June 03, 2011, 11:56:27 AM
I think we got the best out of big Brad.

Praying Green is not his replacement. Given is good for another few years and is top quality. I'd say he's as good as Bosnich was and Dickie Dunne plays well with him for Ireland. Foster might be the better shout long term though.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2011, 01:04:35 PM
Wigan have offered £3 million for Al-Habsi. If it goes through that's one potential target we can eliminate... for a season at least.

Not sure about McGregor. I can forgive him for his error against De Oirish the other week but not sure I can forgive him for his cockish behaviour to the last Scotland boss.

If we don't go Foster I hope Ancelotti comes in and brings some Italian genius keeper with him. Good keepers the Italians... Pagliuca, Zenga, Stallone...
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: exigo on June 03, 2011, 01:07:16 PM
Wigan have offered £3 million for Al-Habsi. If it goes through that's one potential target we can eliminate... for a season at least.

Not sure about McGregor. I can forgive him for his error against De Oirish the other week but not sure I can forgive him for his cockish behaviour to the last Scotland boss.

If we don't go Foster I hope Ancelotti comes in and brings some Italian genius keeper with him. Good keepers the Italians... Pagliuca, Zenga, Stallone...

Yeah, Massimo Taibi was brilliant.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on June 03, 2011, 01:07:59 PM
I am really shocked, and really disappointed by all this.

Not by Freidal leaving, I think that was obvious last week. But that it has been done before a manager has been appointed. What about if the new manager wanted Freidal to stay ? , Redknapp clearly feels he has two years left, what about if the new manager thought that as well.

Was Freidal out of contract , I can't remember, if so, then we obviously can't stop him, but I would have thought all incomings and outgoings should be put on hold to see what the new man wants.

Good look Freidal. We have had some superb goalies in my lifetime - Bozzie , Spink, Rimmer - you were up there with all of them (apart from Bozzie I will admit  - he's the best we've had ever !)
and what if the new manager didnt rate friedel on a two year deal that we would have had to offer him just to find out?

he was at the end of his contract, we offered him a deal to keep him, spuds offered him one too... he chose spurs...

not really a lot we can do about that...
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2011, 01:09:36 PM
Wigan have offered £3 million for Al-Habsi. If it goes through that's one potential target we can eliminate... for a season at least.

Sky now saying they understand Villa are also interested in Al-Habsi. Not sure how that works... we haven't got a manager!
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on June 03, 2011, 08:58:57 PM
Robbo

since hes lost abit of weight and moved to Blackburn hes raised his game big time, and he was a good keeper before that anyway

If we sign Green or Given i'll be extremely disappointed, Givens a one trick pony shot stopper and Green, well I don't need to say anything

the fact he went to the world cup infront of robbo, absolutely baffles me to this day. The most mentally fragile keeper in the league
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Matt Collins on June 03, 2011, 09:06:52 PM
Given is on a completely different level to green.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: gervilla on June 03, 2011, 09:27:41 PM
Given is on a completely different level to green.

How many fuck ups is Given remembered for ? At a guess.....not many.
Green is a fuck up waiting to happen.
I'd take Given over him any day.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 03, 2011, 09:44:48 PM
Given is on a completely different level to green.

How many fuck ups is Given remembered for ? At a guess.....not many.
Green is a fuck up waiting to happen.
I'd take Given over him any day.

This one?

Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: gervilla on June 03, 2011, 09:50:51 PM
Given is on a completely different level to green.

How many fuck ups is Given remembered for ? At a guess.....not many.
Green is a fuck up waiting to happen.
I'd take Given over him any day.

This one?



Paul, I stand corrected.
Do you have all of Greens fuck ups ?
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Matt C on June 03, 2011, 09:56:26 PM
There's not enough bandwidth for that surely
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 03, 2011, 09:58:20 PM
Green never has a 7/10 game.

Either 1/10 or 9/10.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on June 03, 2011, 11:04:33 PM
Given is on a completely different level to green.

If thats aimed at my comment then you have no arguments from me there.

I just spoke about those 3 keepers as they're the 3 most likely signings from who we've been linked with.

Givens a great shot stopper, but i've always found his aerial ability and command of area to be pretty poor
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 03, 2011, 11:38:06 PM
Robinson has been outstanding. He has the lot. Second choice Foster. Mainly cause it will piss the noses off. But he has been very good ........
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: avfcpg on June 03, 2011, 11:41:24 PM
Given is on a completely different level to green.

How many fuck ups is Given remembered for ? At a guess.....not many.
Green is a fuck up waiting to happen.
I'd take Given over him any day.

This one?



Shay Given. The only Irishman who didn't know where Dublin was...
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Tony on June 03, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
Foster grew up in Leamington Spa, anyone knew who he supported? Coventry have a few fans out that way. Anyway that aside, he's a decent keeper and the right sort of age to be here for a while, I'd take him.
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on June 04, 2011, 12:26:08 AM
closing in on Foster?

Can't see it myself...


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BEN FOSTER, suddenly one of English football’s most wanted men, is set to join Aston Villa as a replacement for Brad Friedel.

Even though Villa have yet to appoint a new manager to replace Gerard Houllier, they have targeted Birmingham goalkeeper Foster to succeed Friedel, who quit Villa Park yesterday to join Tottenham.

But Foster, 28, is wanted not only by Villa. Several other Premier League clubs are showing an interest in Foster, who joined Birmingham from Manchester United a year ago for £6million.

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger is thought to be considering a move and others are awaiting confirmation at what price he will be available, including Stoke, where he once had a successful loan spell.

England coach Fabio Capello, meanwhile, is still desperately hoping Foster will reverse his decision to call a temporary halt on his international career. Foster left England virtually threadbare in that department after announcing he wanted at least this summer off to try to shake off a string of niggling injuries.

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Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger is thought to be considering a move
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Capello would have liked Foster in the squad for today’s European Championship qualifier against Switzerland at Wembley, but instead had to select West Ham’s Rob Green and West Brom’s Scott Carson as back-up for first-choice Joe Hart.

The current winner in the battle for Foster’s attentions appears to be his partner Kate Louise Smith. Instead of being at Wembley, Foster is expected to be spending today finalising preparations for his marriage in a fortnight.

Although Birmingham manager Alex McLeish would like to keep Foster at St Andrew’s, relegation from the Premier League means several of the club’s leading players could leave this summer, with Foster expected to be valued at about £8m.

Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/250726/Aston-Villa-close-in-on-deal-for-Ben-FosterAston-Villa-close-in-on-deal-for-Ben-Foster#ixzz1OG5k0xLI

link (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/250726/Aston-Villa-close-in-on-deal-for-Ben-Foster)
Title: Re: New keeper
Post by: The Situation on June 04, 2011, 12:43:56 AM
Would be good if we signed Foster.

Rub the salt into those dirty neanderthal's wounds.
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