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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: andyh on March 08, 2011, 11:42:25 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/burnley/9418192.stm
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Didnt they want Emile
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Looks like were loaning our younger players out then and going with the experienced heads to attempt to get us out the shit
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Disgraceful.
Idiotic.
Garlic loving muppet.
(just thought I'd get it in there first!)
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This makes sense, we only play 1 striker and Bent, Gabby and Heskey are more than enough.
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Could be very interesting - he's not going to get a run in the Villa team with Bent and Heskey preferred ahead of him up front, so if he can get games at Burnley it will be interesting to finally see if he has what it takes to succeed.
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More fuckwitingness
Bannan and The Fonz will only improve playing in the PL
Instead of bringing Ivanhoe on with 15 mins to go it should be the fonz. heskey is far too predictable.
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Burnley are looking pretty good at the moment , might stop Leeds making the play offs If he bangs in a few goals hopefully... and they claret and blue , so should feel at home.
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I think he should be ahead of Heskey on the bench,but if he isn't gonna get a look in here,then its a good move as he needs game,and is going to a club on the up.
Good luck to him,hopefully it'll benefit us next season.
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Good move for club and player, i'd imagine there is a clause to recall him if we get to many injuries. At least he is more likely to get some competitive games.
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He'll probably score a couple of goals prompting GH to give him a run out at centre half
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The fonz should benefit from this however i don't believe it is the right time to be sending players out on loan. Although I dont believe he's going to make it at a high level we need all we have for the last stage of the season
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Another good move in my opinion, he needs to score a few goals in a competitive league. Of all the young 'uns in the first team squad fairly regularly, Nathan is the one I'm the most unsure about. I keep thinking back to the incident at Man City when Heskey forced Hart into that save, a natural goalscorer would have been on hand to knock in the rebound.
I hope he does well up there.
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Getting him used to scoring against Championship defences in preparation for next season. Pretty forward thinking by Gerard I think.
;-)
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Same thoughts as with Bannan really. I'd rather we had all fit bodies staying at Villa in case of injuries or suspensions.
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Good move - been watching him for a while and remain unconvinced. He needs a run in a team to either prove or disprove his worth and we don't have the luxury of playing someone just to show whether or not he can cut it.
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More fuckwitingness
Bannan and The Fonz will only improve playing in the PL
Worked for Defoe at Bournemouth.
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Good luck to him- fonz is more of a goal threat than heskey buy as he's not getting on the bench some times it makes sense to give him a run with a play off chasing team.
I'd have preferred heskey to Leicester though rather than fonz to burnley.
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This loan deal I 100% agree with. He will play a lot more up there then here.
The last player we loaned to Burnley turned out to be a good player for us but then we sold him and he came back to haunt us on Saturday !
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More fuckwitingness
Bannan and The Fonz will only improve playing in the PL
Instead of bringing Ivanhoe on with 15 mins to go it should be the fonz. heskey is far too predictable.
What's Delfounso done in a Villa shirt for you to get so upset about? For me he's been little short of anonymous this season.
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It's a gamble but as long as we keep our strikeforce injury free, it's a good move.
Maybe we should do the same thing with Friedel.
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I guess now we're out of the FA Cup we don't need the fringe players
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I'm still not completely convinced by him although I'm aware that others who have seen a lot more of him than I have have high hopes for him.
Burnley have already got a young promising striker in Jay Rodriguez, it will be intersting to see how they compare.
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I'd have kept him as well. He nearly won us the game against Small Heath. Good luck to him though.
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More fuckwitingness
Bannan and The Fonz will only improve playing in the PL
Instead of bringing Ivanhoe on with 15 mins to go it should be the fonz. heskey is far too predictable.
What? A few minutes here and there in a team that's probably going to be chasing the game, or having some starts that will enable him to construct his game in a winning team over 60, 70, 80 or even 90 minutes? - I know which one works for both the player and the Villa.
Get a grip, man!
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It's a gamble but as long as we keep our strikeforce injury free, it's a good move.
Which is why it's not such a good idea.
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Stop the blood clart whinging already.
Its much better he plays a lot for Burnley, as a striker, than the odd run out (out of position) for the first team.
It's a higher standard than reserve team football which is his main diet at the moment.
Then he'll come back next season with more experience and confidence.
Obviously we should put a recall clause in.
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It's a gamble but as long as we keep our strikeforce injury free, it's a good move.
Which is why it's not such a good idea.
And if we get too many injuries then we can recall him.
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More fuckwitingness
Bannan and The Fonz will only improve playing in the PL
Instead of bringing Ivanhoe on with 15 mins to go it should be the fonz. heskey is far too predictable.
What's Delfounso done in a Villa shirt for you to get so upset about? For me he's been little short of anonymous this season.
Some people are now going to be upset whatever Hotlips does, they can't help themselves any more.
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More fuckwitingness
Bannan and The Fonz will only improve playing in the PL
Instead of bringing Ivanhoe on with 15 mins to go it should be the fonz. heskey is far too predictable.
What's Delfounso done in a Villa shirt for you to get so upset about? For me he's been little short of anonymous this season.
Nothing because he hasnt fatured much for whatever reason.
The point is Bannan was on loan all last season so no point whatsover in going out on loan again.
The Fonz has been a prospect for a about 3 seasons so surely that was the time he should have gone on loan. For example the Fonz scores a few at Burnley so will that get him a few appearances for us? Doubt it.
Im not over convinced yet about either player but the only way we are going to find out if the are good enough for the PL is for them to play in it.
In fact if I was BB I would be thinking hang on the team are really in the shit and the manager is farming me out to leeds rather than have me involved
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Sensible move as far as I am concerned
Of course, there are some risks but on balance I think the positives outweigh the negatives
I am still far from convinced about Delfouneso
On my scale of 'appetite and desire' which ranges from Rooney at one end (and yes, he does have plenty of bad points too!) to Stefan and Luke Moore at the other, he is definitely nearer the Moore end. Unfortunately, I do feel he has been largely anonymous this season though of course it is not easy if playing out of position or coming on as a late sub
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Same thoughts as with Bannan really. I'd rather we had all fit bodies staying at Villa in case of injuries or suspensions.
Immediate recall if required after 28 days.
As stated elsewhere on this thread, as soon as Hart parried that shot from Heskey I said "Bent would have scored there". (Just like he did at VP). Unfortunately Fonz was doing a Gabby and hadn't anticipated. Maybe by getting regular game time he will learn to keep concentrating for 90 minutes and be on his toes continuously during that time, because he might only get one sniff in the match but that could mean the difference between winning and losing.
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So within 6 days of the game, 2 of the team considered good enough to win at Man City have been loaned to Championship Clubs !
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Great move, we need all our young lads with as much experience as possible, if they are going to playing a bigger part next year.
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*Stamps feet and jumps up and down*
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Stop the blood clart whinging already.
I agree with Rastamouse.
He'll be better off at Burnley for now and we have adequate striking cover.
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Same thoughts as with Bannan really. I'd rather we had all fit bodies staying at Villa in case of injuries or suspensions.
Immediate recall if required after 28 days.
As stated elsewhere on this thread, as soon as Hart parried that shot from Heskey I said "Bent would have scored there". (Just like he did at VP).
Sorry, but I think Bent proved at the weekend that he's just as likely to miss chances as anybody else.
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BANNAN no! the fonz has really done it has he! I think he may have luke moore (who i liked) written all over him!
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As stated elsewhere on this thread, as soon as Hart parried that shot from Heskey I said "Bent would have scored there". (Just like he did at VP).
Sorry, but I think Bent proved at the weekend that he's just as likely to miss chances as anybody else.
The point being that Nathan didn't even get there to miss the chance.
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like with bannon, not sure what to make of it and can see both negatives and positives...
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Same as the Bannan deal; if GH isn't going to play them and wants them to get some regular first team games under their belt then I'm fine with this.
Loaning out our 6th choice central midfielder and 4th choice striker will not be the reason we get relegated (if we do of course, which I don't think will happen, possibly)
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If we run short of attackers, I'd be recalling Wiemann before Fonz, I think he's the better prospect
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Agree with Wiki's post above.
I'm not 100% with sending Bannan out on loan but this is definitely a good idea. We play one striker and have three left even with young Fonz on loan.
Hopefully a spell at the championship will build experience and allow us to see what he can do when given more of a chance.
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The Reserves could have done with him today as they've just lost 1-0 to Wigan
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The Reserves could have done with him today as they've just lost 1-0 to Wigan
warnock giving away a pointless free kick that they then scored from...
the useless carp....
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Warnock & Beye should be kept away from the reserves
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They can make it a permanent move as far as I'm concerned. We need to look at offloading him, Gabby and Heskey and bringing in 2 quality strikers in the summer. I wouldn't be adverse to keep Gabby but only IF he is going to play up front and not out on the left wing. Then again, with Ash off he may keep Gabby to play him out wide, which would be bloody ridiculous.
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heskey and gabby are banging em in for fun.we dont need fonz do we!
you useless twat houllier.....
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They can make it a permanent move as far as I'm concerned. We need to look at offloading him, Gabby and Heskey and bringing in 2 quality strikers in the summer. I wouldn't be adverse to keep Gabby but only IF he is going to play up front and not out on the left wing. Then again, with Ash off he may keep Gabby to play him out wide, which would be bloody ridiculous.
Delfouneso has hardly been given a chance really, and Gabby has suffered from being played out of position by Houllier. Young will be off in the summer, so Houllier is either going to have to find another winger to be ineffective behind Bent, or play two up front.
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It's a good move for Fonz and the club cos he's not had a run in the team, we've only had glimpses of what he can do, I hope he gets played rather than on the bench for Burnley.
That is my issue with Bannan going out on loan, we know what he is capable of, which is why I don't understand why he's not figured more often recently, he can see a pass better than any of our midfielders so would think he should be at least on the bench.
It does make you wonder whether if it had not been for the injuries whether Bannan would have been as far away from the 1st team under Houllier as he was with O'Neill.
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Could we please loan Houllier to Bristol Rovers and get Kevin MacDonald to steer us clear of the mire?
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I think it will do him the world of good to play in the Championship scoring on a regular basis will give him a confidence booster and hopefully come back a better player.
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Never really given much of a chance by MON and Houllier, glad to see him finally getting some first team football, and I reckon he'll come back a decent player.
This is far, far too late though. He should've been going out on loan since 2006/07
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They can make it a permanent move as far as I'm concerned. We need to look at offloading him, Gabby and Heskey and bringing in 2 quality strikers in the summer. I wouldn't be adverse to keep Gabby but only IF he is going to play up front and not out on the left wing. Then again, with Ash off he may keep Gabby to play him out wide, which would be bloody ridiculous.
Delfouneso is a very skilfull player, has alot more talent than the one dimensional Gabby. I'd keep them both and give him a chance.
This loan can only do him good if he is going to get a good run of games, something he has never had.
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They can make it a permanent move as far as I'm concerned. We need to look at offloading him, Gabby and Heskey and bringing in 2 quality strikers in the summer. I wouldn't be adverse to keep Gabby but only IF he is going to play up front and not out on the left wing. Then again, with Ash off he may keep Gabby to play him out wide, which would be bloody ridiculous.
We will not be buying any expensive strikers in the near future im afraid, he is committed to this 4 5 1 or 4 3 3 formation so Bent is nailed on to start and the defence/goalkeeping situations should be his priority
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Never really given much of a chance by MON and Houllier
He has been on the periphery for 3 seasons now and has made 41 appearances, most as sub. If he was really that good then why has he not been involved more over what is quite a long period of time? 3 years suggest that if he hasn't made it now then he never will, not at this level anyway. Compare that with Clark, Albrighton and even Bannan who have come through quicker from their 1st squad inclusion to being regularly in the team even though two of those have come into positions that we actually had good players in as it was. If he was that good then why have 3 managers chosen every striker at the club over him continuously? Even when Gabby, Carew and Heskey were either injured or off form Delf was still overlooked. He seems like a nice lad but I really don't think that we are the club for him or that he is the player for us. It's just my opinion.
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He has been on the periphery for 3 seasons now and has made 41 appearances, most as sub. If he was really that good then why has he not been involved more over what is quite a long period of time.
Ooh, I know this.
It's because he has only just turned 20 years old.
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I think it's a good move. If we're desperately seeking a goal with 10 mins or so to go Delfouneso isn't the player you'd expect to get it for us. Get him out to a decent level for the rest of the season and let's see if he can hack it at a good standard.
It's also possible that the thinking is that it will be vital for his own confidence if he can go there as a Prem striker and do what is expected of him. At least this way we can see if he really does have a chance of making it. It will also show him what life is like away from VIlla Park.
Yeah, good move for me.
Q
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Oh and ignore the random letters at the end of the last post. I'm on an iPod Thimbu and struggling.
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I have to say I think it's the good move. Nathan hasn't really kicked on over the last season or two, and perhaps a couple of months at the Turf will push him on.
In all honesty though, I expect him to be following a Luke Moore type career path over the next few years, so he can now have a look at the level he'll be plying his trade pretty soon.
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He has been on the periphery for 3 seasons now and has made 41 appearances, most as sub. If he was really that good then why has he not been involved more over what is quite a long period of time.
Ooh, I know this.
It's because he has only just turned 20 years old.
And? So what if he is only 20. If he has been around the 1st team for 3 years then it shouldn't make too much difference that he is "only 20". Albrighton, Bannan and Clark are only 21 and have only really come into the fold this season and a small part of last season but two of those are now integral to our team. I can think of a plethora of players who have made a bigger impact for their respective clubs by the age of 20 than Delfouneso and it's not as if we have been banging the goals in without him to halt his progression.
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And I've no Idea what a Thimbu is.
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I rate him because I think he's got very good technique. Generally in favour as long as he gets games.
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He has been on the periphery for 3 seasons now and has made 41 appearances, most as sub. If he was really that good then why has he not been involved more over what is quite a long period of time.
Ooh, I know this.
It's because he has only just turned 20 years old.
And? So what if he is only 20. If he has been around the 1st team for 3 years then it shouldn't make too much difference that he is "only 20". Albrighton, Bannan and Clark are only 21 and have only really come into the fold this season and a small part of last season but two of those are now integral to our team. I can think of a plethora of players who have made a bigger impact for their respective clubs by the age of 20 than Delfouneso and it's not as if we have been banging the goals in without him to halt his progression.
No, you're right.
Promising 20 year old strikers who haven't made an instant impression in one of the hardest leagues should just be ditched rather than nurtured.
Presumably you would have done the same with the 20 year old Andy Cole (yet to score his first senior goal despite having been on the scene for the previous two years), the 20 year Didier Drogba (yet to make his senior debut for Le Mans in the French second division), the 20 year old Jimmy-Floyd Hasselbaink (boasting 5 goals in 50 appearances in the Dutch second division) or the 20 year old Les Ferdinand (about to make his debut for Hayes in the Isthmian League).
Thank fuck you're not in charge.
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I think it makes sense to loan both fonz and BB out at this stage of the season. They will get game time at a competitive level. If we were mid table and miles away from the bottom three then they would get more game time with us but we can't afford to take that chance the way things are at the moment.
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I rate him because I think he's got very good technique. Generally in favour as long as he gets games.
There's the rub.
I just hope he and Bannan get starts, otherwise there is no point.
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I like Fonz a lot. He's never let us down whenever he's played, tends to be in the right place at the right time, and his goal record is not that bad for a young un.
I'm not suggesting he's going to be next Rooney, but he's a bit more clinical than Heskey or Gabs. I'd have kept the lad here.
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His goal against Blackburn in the FA Cup was very well taken.
Let's hope he bangs a few in for the other claret and blues.
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Oh my god, our manager sent one of our younger players out on loan, to get some proper playing time.
That's it I am burning my season ticket and cutting my arms!!!!
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He needs games, it's a good move for all concerned.
I am stil not convinced by him at Prem level.
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So because I happen to disagree with you I get this response. Ok, maybe I should use that as a sort of signature everytime someone, (God forbid) happens to disagree.
No, you get that response because you're just plain wrong.
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He has been on the periphery for 3 seasons now and has made 41 appearances, most as sub. If he was really that good then why has he not been involved more over what is quite a long period of time.
Ooh, I know this.
It's because he has only just turned 20 years old.
And? So what if he is only 20. If he has been around the 1st team for 3 years then it shouldn't make too much difference that he is "only 20". Albrighton, Bannan and Clark are only 21 and have only really come into the fold this season and a small part of last season but two of those are now integral to our team. I can think of a plethora of players who have made a bigger impact for their respective clubs by the age of 20 than Delfouneso and it's not as if we have been banging the goals in without him to halt his progression.
Thank fuck you're not in charge.
So because I happen to disagree with you I get this response. Ok, maybe I should use that as a sort of signature everytime someone, (God forbid) happens to disagree.
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So because I happen to disagree with you I get this response. Ok, maybe I should use that as a sort of signature everytime someone, (God forbid) happens to disagree.
No, you get that response because you're just plain wrong.
How am I plain wrong? I do not believe that a cartain player is good enough and that is my opinion. How can you prove that I am "plain wrong" about that? I notice you didn't use the examples of Messi, Rooney, Kluivert, Milner, Parker etc... in your response. Who were all flying by that age.
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Fonz starts tonite and Bannan is on the bench
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The 'stiffs' have given up on the chase for honours so this move makes sense-
Nathan needs games under his belt and a chance to show what he can do
- he won't get the opportunity with our first team, apart from the debacle in
the French Ambition (not) Cup at Eastlands
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How am I plain wrong? I do not believe that a cartain player is good enough and that is my opinion. How can you prove that I am "plain wrong" about that?
The fact that you don't think he'll be good enough is perfectly fine. I have no issue at all with that. My problem is the logic that because he hasn't demonstrated as an 18 year old that he'll be a good striker then he never will be and we should give up on him. Because none of the evidence backs that point of view up as a sane viewpoint.
I notice you didn't use the examples of Messi, Rooney, Kluivert, Milner, Parker etc... in your response. Who were all flying by that age.
Because I dont' think that he'll be as good as Messi, Rooney and Kluivert. But because a player isn't going to be as good a player as Messi is not a reason to get shot of them when they are only 20 years old.
As for Scott Parker, flying? At age 20, Charlton sent him out on loan to Norwich in the division below. Presumably they should have just got rid of him instead.
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How am I plain wrong? I do not believe that a cartain player is good enough and that is my opinion. How can you prove that I am "plain wrong" about that?
The fact that you don't think he'll be good enough is perfectly fine. I have no issue at all with that. My problem is the logic that because he hasn't demonstrated as an 18 year old that he'll be a good striker then he never will be and we should give up on him. Because none of the evidence backs that point of view up as a sane viewpoint.
I notice you didn't use the examples of Messi, Rooney, Kluivert, Milner, Parker etc... in your response. Who were all flying by that age.
Because I dont' think that he'll be as good as Messi, Rooney and Kluivert. But because a player isn't going to be as good a player Messi is not a reason to get shot of them when they are only 20 years old.
As for Scott Parker, flying? At age 20, Charlton sent him out on loan to Norwich in the division below. Presumably they should have just got rid of him instead.
What I was trying to say Dave is that I don't think he'll make it not because he is 20 and hasn't made it but that he has been around a 1st team short of quality strikers for 3 years and hasn't stepped up. Does that make more sense?
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How am I plain wrong? I do not believe that a cartain player is good enough and that is my opinion. How can you prove that I am "plain wrong" about that?
The fact that you don't think he'll be good enough is perfectly fine. I have no issue at all with that. My problem is the logic that because he hasn't demonstrated as an 18 year old that he'll be a good striker then he never will be and we should give up on him. Because none of the evidence backs that point of view up as a sane viewpoint.
I notice you didn't use the examples of Messi, Rooney, Kluivert, Milner, Parker etc... in your response. Who were all flying by that age.
Because I dont' think that he'll be as good as Messi, Rooney and Kluivert. But because a player isn't going to be as good a player Messi is not a reason to get shot of them when they are only 20 years old.
As for Scott Parker, flying? At age 20, Charlton sent him out on loan to Norwich in the division below. Presumably they should have just got rid of him instead.
What I was trying to say Dave is that I don't think he'll make it not because he is 20 and hasn't made it but that he has been around a 1st team short of quality strikers for 3 years and hasn't stepped up. Does that make more sense?
Nope.
Because he is 20 years old. As I have quite clearly demonstrated, there are countless strikers who having been playing first team football as teenagers and had done less than bugger all by age 20, still turned out to be some of the best strikers in the world.
Delfouneso still might or he still might not. But the fact that he hasn't done it yet means absolutely nothing.
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What I was trying to say Dave is that I don't think he'll make it not because he is 20 and hasn't made it but that he has been around a 1st team short of quality strikers for 3 years and hasn't stepped up. Does that make more sense?
If it is any consolation, it makes sense to me.
Football is full of players who develop in their early 20s, as oppose to their late teens, but even so, I'm not convinced Nathan will ever be more than a fair-to-middling Championship striker.
And I say that as someone who likes nothing better than seeing one of our own come through and make a name for himself at the highest level.
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It's a great chance for him to go somewhere and bang some goals in in a pressure situation (rather than the reserves). He needs to be tested to see what he is all about but doing this requires a run in a team. I think it's a good move and I expect him to do well. I don't think Houllier rates Gabby as a striker and if Fonz does well on loan I feel he and Bent will be our first options next season - just my opinion.
Also, can't swear to it but I'm sure I saw Bannan today at the Marriot in Preston. Definitely saw some other Leeds players.
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He made his debut against Zilina two years and four months ago and scored. He only made his full league debut this season at Fulham and missed a couple of decent chances but the following week scored on his full home league debut against Blackpool. He was a gnat's testicle from scoring the winner in the derby in Jan with a terrific bit of technique. He's after noticeably getting physically stronger this season. Decent in the air, fantastic feet and a natural striker with an impressive goal return per minutes at whatever level he has played.
It's a tad unfair to compare him to the other young lads coming through. Making it as a young striker at the top level is harder than in any other position. Especially when we commonly play with only one out and out striker.
I fancy him to have a goal return of at least one in every two for Burnley and if he's given a fair run of games up front at Villa next season I think he'll be magic for us.
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Well, that took him a whole four minutes to start scoring.
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Really? Brilliant.
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Good move in my opinion, will do the lad good to get stuck into a more physical league
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Told ya.
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Well, that took him a whole four minutes to start scoring.
Indeed, he will do very well at that level.
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And....he scores 5 minutes into his debut. Would Heskey or Gabby have done that? Houllier is bonkers.
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Well, that took him a whole four minutes to start scoring.
Indeed, he will do very well at that level.
Give the lad a break?
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Well done Fonzy
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And....he scores 5 minutes into his debut. Would Heskey or Gabby have done that? Houllier is bonkers.
Not even Burnley would want Heskey on loan ::)
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Well, that took him a whole four minutes to start scoring.
Indeed, he will do very well at that level.
Give the lad a break?
??? I've just said he will do well there.
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It's a good move for him. He's got a lot of ability and a great scoring record but he needs to develop his all round game and the only way he will do that is playing games.
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Good move for him and for us.
Although I can't help but think we should've loaned him out during the last 2 seasons too.
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Oh dear. They will be loving him at Burnley. Lets hope we don't end up having him back, playing him a fair, bit buying two new strikers who can't score goals for twice the price we then sell him to some second rate club for, at which he then flowers into a £30 million pound international striker, who makes a habit of scoring against us (of course).
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He has been on the periphery for 3 seasons now and has made 41 appearances, most as sub. If he was really that good then why has he not been involved more over what is quite a long period of time.
Ooh, I know this.
It's because he has only just turned 20 years old.
And? So what if he is only 20. If he has been around the 1st team for 3 years then it shouldn't make too much difference that he is "only 20". Albrighton, Bannan and Clark are only 21 and have only really come into the fold this season and a small part of last season but two of those are now integral to our team. I can think of a plethora of players who have made a bigger impact for their respective clubs by the age of 20 than Delfouneso and it's not as if we have been banging the goals in without him to halt his progression.
I bet there were Barca fans saying the same about Iniesta. Probably.
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He's got a lot of ability and a great scoring record but he needs to develop his all round game
Sounds like you're talking about our £24m striker there.
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He's got a lot of ability and a great scoring record but he needs to develop his all round game
Sounds like you're talking about our £24m striker there.
Yes it does, you're right, although to be fair to Bent he's scored regularly at PL level for a number of years but it was his other limitations that have always made me less than enthusiastic about him.
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He's got a lot of ability and a great scoring record but he needs to develop his all round game
Sounds like you're talking about our £24m striker there.
Yes it does, you're right, although to be fair to Bent he's scored regularly at PL level for a number of years but it was his other limitations that have always made me less than enthusiastic about him.
I'm not knocking Bent, far from it. I don't mind him having limitations to his game. The thing is, some strikers don't need to add much more to their game because they're so bloody good at what they do, which is score goals. If MON had bought Bent, he would have got him tracking back, playing out wide etc, when we all know he just's an out and out goalscorer and nothing else.
That's kind of what i see in Fonz to be honest, i hate seeing him shunted out wide, he's a goalscorer. As controversial as this may sound, it's probably Gabby who needs to get games under his belt if anybody.
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Well, that took him a whole four minutes to start scoring.
Indeed, he will do very well at that level.
Give the lad a break?
??? I've just said he will do well there.
"at that level" as if he's not gunna do it anywhere above that. Let the lad grow some nuts before you chop em off
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Well, that took him a whole four minutes to start scoring.
Indeed, he will do very well at that level.
Give the lad a break?
??? I've just said he will do well there.
"at that level" as if he's not gunna do it anywhere above that. Let the lad grow some nuts before you chop em off
Is it not allowed to have an opinion about a players potential? FWIW I think Bannan, Clark and Albrighton will do very well at the top level.
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Well, that took him a whole four minutes to start scoring.
Indeed, he will do very well at that level.
Give the lad a break?
??? I've just said he will do well there.
"at that level" as if he's not gunna do it anywhere above that. Let the lad grow some nuts before you chop em off
Is it allowed to have an opinion about a players potential?
Definitely not. Expect your banning order in the post.
*rolls eyes*
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Bent will do bugger all - except score at least one goal every other game.
If you want a hard working striker who creates tracks back, runs the channels and creates chances for others, Bent ain't your man. If, on the other hand, you want a player who will always be there, in the right place, with an uncanny knack of knowing where to be when the ball comes in, even if he doesn't always convert the chance, then Bent certainly is your man.
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Well done Nathan.
Keep banging them in my boy.
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And I've no Idea what a Thimbu is.
I don't know what it is either but I want one.
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Good move for him and for us.
Although I can't help but think we should've loaned him out during the last 2 seasons too.
Exactly
or even at the start of this season
Im glad he got off the mark so quick but what does scoring for Burnley tell us?
When if he comes back to us if he's scored a few then his confidence will be up but his overall game won't be.
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Oh dear. They will be loving him at Burnley. Lets hope we don't end up having him back, playing him a fair, bit buying two new strikers who can't score goals for twice the price we then sell him to some second rate club for, at which he then flowers into a £30 million pound international striker, who makes a habit of scoring against us (of course).
My guess is that Hou will want all his loanees back - I don't reckon he'll have a load to spend over the Summer so all the loanees may have a meaningful squad-role to play next season.
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He has been on the periphery for 3 seasons now and has made 41 appearances, most as sub. If he was really that good then why has he not been involved more over what is quite a long period of time.
Ooh, I know this.
It's because he has only just turned 20 years old.
And? So what if he is only 20. If he has been around the 1st team for 3 years then it shouldn't make too much difference that he is "only 20". Albrighton, Bannan and Clark are only 21 and have only really come into the fold this season and a small part of last season but two of those are now integral to our team. I can think of a plethora of players who have made a bigger impact for their respective clubs by the age of 20 than Delfouneso and it's not as if we have been banging the goals in without him to halt his progression.
i am a little confused...
in your previous post, you say that because he hasnt made it after only just turning 20, (despite having 40 sub appearances and an excellent starts to goals ratio), that he wont make it... yet in the next one you compare him with other players who have very little appearances within the previous 3 years of turning 21, and they are apparently "integral" to our team...
going by your logic, as they hadnt made it at the age of 20, should we have written them off before giving them the opportunities at the age of 21?
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a season ticket burnley fan is going to keep me updated about his progress, and here is his first update....
Played well and offered something we've been severely lacking up front. Put a shift in for the team too as we battled for the three points. His goal was more or less his first touch in a Burnley shirt too. Can't complain!
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He has been on the periphery for 3 seasons now and has made 41 appearances, most as sub. If he was really that good then why has he not been involved more over what is quite a long period of time.
Ooh, I know this.
It's because he has only just turned 20 years old.
And? So what if he is only 20. If he has been around the 1st team for 3 years then it shouldn't make too much difference that he is "only 20". Albrighton, Bannan and Clark are only 21 and have only really come into the fold this season and a small part of last season but two of those are now integral to our team. I can think of a plethora of players who have made a bigger impact for their respective clubs by the age of 20 than Delfouneso and it's not as if we have been banging the goals in without him to halt his progression.
i am a little confused...
in your previous post, you say that because he hasnt made it after only just turning 20, (despite having 40 sub appearances and an excellent starts to goals ratio), that he wont make it... yet in the next one you compare him with other players who have very little appearances within the previous 3 years of turning 21, and they are apparently "integral" to our team...
going by your logic, as they hadnt made it at the age of 20, should we have written them off before giving them the opportunities at the age of 21?
No, what I said ws that because he has been around the 1st team for 3 years and still hasn't stepped up, that is why I don't think he'll make it. And that is exactly the point! Regarding the other players, they HAVE stepped up and ARE integral to out team, he isn't, despite having much more time around the senior squad. Bloody hell, I've been ripped apart for daring to suggest that Delfouneso isn't good enough. Maybe I'm wrong and he is the nest Andy Cole or Thierry Henry, I hope so, I really do and judging by the slaughtering for having the temerity to suggest otherwise it looks like I have really missed something.
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No, what I said ws that because he has been around the 1st team for 3 years and still hasn't stepped up, that is why I don't think he'll make it. And that is exactly the point! Regarding the other players, they HAVE stepped up and ARE integral to out team, he isn't, despite having much more time around the senior squad. Bloody hell, I've been ripped apart for daring to suggest that Delfouneso isn't good enough. Maybe I'm wrong and he is the nest Andy Cole or Thierry Henry, I hope so, I really do and judging by the slaughtering for having the temerity to suggest otherwise it looks like I have really missed something.
apologies if that appears that i am ripping you apart or slaughtering you for your opinion, that was certainly not the intention... i simply did not understand how one player of a certain age who had played in the first team was considered not good enough, while others who had not played and were older, were now integral to the team... thank you for clearing up your point...
youth development is not an exact science... some players develop earier, some later... whether thats physically, or mentally, no two players are the same...
personally, i think that the very fact that he is only 20, yet has played 40+ times for us (a lot as 5 minute sub appearances granted, and a lot of them out of position, yet his starts to goals ratio is very impressive at 8 goals in 11 starts, and his goals to minutes ratio is also very good too), shows that he is very highly regarded... and from what i have seen of the lad over the past several years across youth / reserve / first team and international performances, i can see why he so highly regarded...
bannon, albrighton and clark are all very good players too... although they werent considered ready for first team action much before turning 21, and that for me shows the different ways that some players develop... some develop earlier, like rooney, some later, like beckham (who himself was out on loan at the age of 20 odd years old to preston north end after a few first team games where it could be argued that he "failed to establish himself")... it also shows that maybe the previous manager was not actually managing the young players in the right way (and in bannons case, if the previous manager was still here, then bannon would not have been... just like gary cahill), so whether delfouneso (and any other young player) may have established himself better under a manager who manages youth better, is impossible to say, but i dont think the idea can be dismissed...
a lot of people also assume that because a player isnt an international at the age of 18-20, then he isnt going to be any good... and some think that because a player has played at a young age, he will be decent... but people dont look at circumstances regarding individual players, simply because wayne rooney was a regular first team player at the age of 17 / 18, due to his freakish physical presence... he still made learning curve mistakes, but his physical nature helped cover those... and he also played under a manager and with a team that helped him out with his errors... our players have not really had that, especially delfouneso who has pretty much been given a lot of 5-10 minutes at the end of games when we were sitting deep defending a lead and the service / support was not there (which is why i feel that his goals to starts ratio is so good, because that hasnt been the case for all of his starting games)... he has also been played out of position on the left wing, the right wing, and as a lone striker... and anyone who knows his strengths and weaknesses, knows that he is not a lone stiker, or a winger of either side... i really do feel that he has been managed poorly, and with the right guidence, he could be superb... take clark for example, he suits houllier passing game, and while he was battered by andy carroll, he suits the style we are looking towards...
dont get me wrong, delfouneso is far from the finished article, and he has a lot to work on with his game... he needs to bulk out a little, he needs to work on his heading (by his own admission), and his decision making needs improving (with experience that will come) but i honestly believe that with the right circumstances, he could be a big player for us in the future...
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Did some French magazine really dub him the new Thierry Henry?
That is not the first player to come into mind when I see young Nate.
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they did... think it was l'equippe when he was 16 or 17 years old...
he was also on a young world player award recently, with the likes of wilshere... he didnt win it, cant remember who did...
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Pablo (or anyone else that has watched him a lot)
If the fonz develops as you expect/hope what sort of player do you think he'll be. Not sure why but I always thought that he would be a good link player between the midfield and striker, so maybe a bergkamp (yes please!).
Will he be looking to complement Bent or replace him in the team? Similarly if we continue with a one up front policy (4231 or 433) where would be his best position?
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Pablo (or anyone else that has watched him a lot)
If the fonz develops as you expect/hope what sort of player do you think he'll be. Not sure why but I always thought that he would be a good link player between the midfield and striker, so maybe a bergkamp (yes please!).
Will he be looking to complement Bent or replace him in the team? Similarly if we continue with a one up front policy (4231 or 433) where would be his best position?
I have said before I would like to have seen him get a run of games playing behind the main striker, in the position that Ash is playing. While I think he is more of a striker than a link up man I think he is more a Michael Owen than a target man. If he had played there off Heskey pre Bent I feel we would have scored more goals than we were doing and therefore would have more points in the bag.
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they did... think it was l'equippe when he was 16 or 17 years old...
he was also on a young world player award recently, with the likes of wilshere... he didnt win it, cant remember who did...
Balotelli, I think.
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they did... think it was l'equippe when he was 16 or 17 years old...
he was also on a young world player award recently, with the likes of wilshere... he didnt win it, cant remember who did...
Balotelli, I think.
Was that the rising star award or something?
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Personally, Fonz would be the striker i'd play if Bent was'nt available. I think teams have sussed Gabby out now to an extent and Heskey, who's been decent overall this season, is never going to score goals on a regular basis anyway.
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I've liked him more based on what I've seen recently. He does look like he's beefed up and appears to have more conficdence on the ball. That is good to see and the backroom staff have worked well with him. But when he has had a chance to play down the middle he hasn't done it for me. And I agree that for a player so highly touted to not really show much more in the way of scoring is very disappointing. I would be more surprised to see him make it with us and to go higher in the game, than to see him follow Luke Moore around the Championship.
harsh? maybe. Too early to tell? maybe. But its what I see of him.
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I think the way a loan is structured and sold to a player is important. I think, although I do not know, under the previous regieme there seemed to be little logic as to where they went and how they were managed, or indeed how it was sold to the player. I do think under GH this is being addressed. I also think they know why they are going and believe they will make the first team when they get back
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Pablo (or anyone else that has watched him a lot)
If the fonz develops as you expect/hope what sort of player do you think he'll be. Not sure why but I always thought that he would be a good link player between the midfield and striker, so maybe a bergkamp (yes please!).
Will he be looking to complement Bent or replace him in the team? Similarly if we continue with a one up front policy (4231 or 433) where would be his best position?
while i dont like to compare him to any particular player, past or present, he is what i would call the perfect example of a "number 10" type striker... so, yes, your thoughts about a link player between the front line and midfield are accurate in my opinion... (exactly what we are missing at the moment i think)...
he has pace, quick feet, good close control, and can finish... his movement is intelligent, and the perfect example of that was against zilina when the team was playing crap, service was poor, and they were handling him just fine, so he dropped deeper to get the ball and started running at them... this scared them, and they ended up putting 3 or 4 on him... but as usual when we had another team focusing on one player, the other players didnt take advantage of the space it created... he obviously scored, and while it wasnt a perfect performance from him from what i know he can do, it showed his intelligence to read the play, and adapt his game to suit the situation...
he has worked well in the reserves with two types of strikers, the big slow brutish james collins jnr, and the pacy fox in the box weimann, but he usually is playing off these, so he can work with different types, as long as he is not the main focus in a lone role... i think he could work well with either bent or agbonlahor, as long as they hold up the ball...
he most certainly isnt a lone striker, and he is certainly not a winger, so he is wasted out in those positions and wont show his ability consistantly when put in these positions... and as i eluded to previously, the 5-10 mins here and there when we were sitting back and defending leads again, were not ideal to showcase his ability, and his goals to starts ratio where he is given more time to move the opposition defence about, get into space and goalscoring opportunities, would back up the thoughts that 5-10 mins here and there are not accurate in terms of his overall ability....
as i said though, he isnt the finished article, and still has a lot of work to do to progress, and even in his starts, i know he can perform better, but given a run of games, in his correct position, i think he could progress nicely and become a top player....
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Whether he's the next Thierry Henry or the next Luke Moore, I don't know, but I reckon he's got more chance of being the former by being out on loan, playing regular games, as opposed to sitting on our bench.
MON should have sent him out last year, I thought.
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Just watched the highlights from Hull vs Burnley, Fonz tapped in from 3 yards not sure he knew much about it but as with any goal scorer it is about being in the right place at the right time! Hull looked like they should have won the match btw!
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The 'stiffs' have given up on the chase for honours so this move makes sense-
A radical thought but why don't we do away with our reserve team altogether?
As soon as our kids graduate from the youth set up they should either walk into the first team or be loaned out to clubs where they can play first team games.
In terms of competitive experience, surely it's better to have a player in our first team who has played 50 first team games at another club rather than 50 reserve teams games for Villa?
Don't Spurs do something similar? Look at the experience Walker is getting at the moment
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/9420445.stm
Does well to react and sort out his feet.
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The 'stiffs' have given up on the chase for honours so this move makes sense-
A radical thought but why don't we do away with our reserve team altogether?
As soon as our kids graduate from the youth set up they should either walk into the first team or be loaned out to clubs where they can play first team games.
In terms of competitive experience, surely it's better to have a player in our first team who has played 50 first team games at another club rather than 50 reserve teams games for Villa?
Don't Spurs do something similar? Look at the experience Walker is getting at the moment
Keeping the Reserves gives us the chance for the kids too remain bonded to the club - look at the camaraderie that Albrighton, Bannan, Hogg, Clark etc exude for each other.
In truth, a combination of Reserve games plus loan-spells is probably the right approach.
Spurrrs are lucky in that Walker is getting P'ship experience.
The choice of Championship side is important when considering the loan option. e.g. BB - going to a team with real forward momentum and in a cauldron-stadium environment; Hogg - working hard in aPortsmouth side that was in danger of sliding but now stabilised; Nath Del - scoring in a side making a late dash for the play-offs. All good experience.
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I can see what Houllier is doing here, he's sending all the players we'll have left next season to get a taste of the Championship so when we go down we'll piss that league. Very clever.
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I can see what Houllier is doing here, he's sending all the players we'll have left next season to get a taste of the Championship so when we go down we'll piss that league. Very clever.
We are NOT going down.
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Unfortunately, BCV would complain about shagging Jessica Alba on the basis that Kelly Brook wasn't sat on his face at the time.
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Unfortunately, BCV would complain about shagging Jessica Alba on the basis that Kelly Brook wasn't sat on his face at the time.
Standing, surely?
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I can see what Houllier is doing here, he's sending all the players we'll have left next season to get a taste of the Championship so when we go down we'll piss that league. Very clever.
Wea are NOT going down.
Good job they aren't. They have some good bands on their books.
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I can see what Houllier is doing here, he's sending all the players we'll have left next season to get a taste of the Championship so when we go down we'll piss that league. Very clever.
Wea are NOT going down.
Good job they aren't. They have some good bands on their books.
Damn keyboard! ::)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/9420445.stm
Does well to react and sort out his feet.
I thought it only just squeaked in!
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They're home to Millwall today. Good chance for Fonz to impress again
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Subbed at 68 mins Burnley 0-2 down at home against Millwall
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burnley fans view on his game against millwall..
He looked interested, which doesn't sound like much, but was more than the rest of them offered (bar Ross Wallace).
Tidy on the ball, but Clarke Carlisle and Michael Duff seemed to think he was a target man and kept lofting balls up to him which Millwall's eight foot centre halves gobbled up.
He started with Jay Rodriguez up front, but as soon as we realised Millwall's gameplan was as effective as it was, Jay moved to the left and he was left alone up top.
He only had the one chance which he guided onto the crossbar with his head.
Would be very unthinkable to make judgements on him from that game/them tactics.