Fonz on loan to Burnley

[Dave]

How am I plain wrong?  I do not believe that a cartain player is good enough and that is my opinion.  How can you prove that I am "plain wrong" about that? 

The fact that you don't think he'll be good enough is perfectly fine. I have no issue at all with that. My problem is the logic that because he hasn't demonstrated as an 18 year old that he'll be a good striker then he never will be and we should give up on him. Because none of the evidence backs that point of view up as a sane viewpoint.

I notice you didn't use the examples of Messi, Rooney, Kluivert, Milner, Parker etc... in your response.  Who were all flying by that age.

Because I dont' think that he'll be as good as Messi, Rooney and Kluivert. But because a player isn't going to be as good a player as Messi is not a reason to get shot of them when they are only 20 years old.

As for Scott Parker, flying? At age 20, Charlton sent him out on loan to Norwich in the division below. Presumably they should have just got rid of him instead.

[Holtenderinthesky]

How am I plain wrong?  I do not believe that a cartain player is good enough and that is my opinion.  How can you prove that I am "plain wrong" about that? 

The fact that you don't think he'll be good enough is perfectly fine. I have no issue at all with that. My problem is the logic that because he hasn't demonstrated as an 18 year old that he'll be a good striker then he never will be and we should give up on him. Because none of the evidence backs that point of view up as a sane viewpoint.

I notice you didn't use the examples of Messi, Rooney, Kluivert, Milner, Parker etc... in your response.  Who were all flying by that age.

Because I dont' think that he'll be as good as Messi, Rooney and Kluivert. But because a player isn't going to be as good a player Messi is not a reason to get shot of them when they are only 20 years old.

As for Scott Parker, flying? At age 20, Charlton sent him out on loan to Norwich in the division below. Presumably they should have just got rid of him instead.

What I was trying to say Dave is that I don't think he'll make it not because he is 20 and hasn't made it but that he has been around a 1st team short of quality strikers for 3 years and hasn't stepped up.  Does that make more sense?

[Dave]

How am I plain wrong?  I do not believe that a cartain player is good enough and that is my opinion.  How can you prove that I am "plain wrong" about that? 

The fact that you don't think he'll be good enough is perfectly fine. I have no issue at all with that. My problem is the logic that because he hasn't demonstrated as an 18 year old that he'll be a good striker then he never will be and we should give up on him. Because none of the evidence backs that point of view up as a sane viewpoint.

I notice you didn't use the examples of Messi, Rooney, Kluivert, Milner, Parker etc... in your response.  Who were all flying by that age.

Because I dont' think that he'll be as good as Messi, Rooney and Kluivert. But because a player isn't going to be as good a player Messi is not a reason to get shot of them when they are only 20 years old.

As for Scott Parker, flying? At age 20, Charlton sent him out on loan to Norwich in the division below. Presumably they should have just got rid of him instead.

What I was trying to say Dave is that I don't think he'll make it not because he is 20 and hasn't made it but that he has been around a 1st team short of quality strikers for 3 years and hasn't stepped up.  Does that make more sense?

Nope.

Because he is 20 years old. As I have quite clearly demonstrated, there are countless strikers who having been playing first team football as teenagers and had done less than bugger all by age 20, still turned out to be some of the best strikers in the world.

Delfouneso still might or he still might not. But the fact that he hasn't done it yet means absolutely nothing.

[TopDeck113]

What I was trying to say Dave is that I don't think he'll make it not because he is 20 and hasn't made it but that he has been around a 1st team short of quality strikers for 3 years and hasn't stepped up.  Does that make more sense?

If it is any consolation, it makes sense to me. 

Football is full of players who develop in their early 20s, as oppose to their late teens, but even so, I'm not convinced Nathan will ever be more than a fair-to-middling Championship striker.

And I say that as someone who likes nothing better than seeing one of our own come through and make a name for himself at the highest level.

[Nirog72]

It's a great chance for him to go somewhere and bang some goals in in a pressure situation (rather than the reserves). He needs to be tested to see what he is all about but doing this requires a run in a team. I think it's a good move and I expect him to do well. I don't think Houllier rates Gabby as a striker and if Fonz does well on loan I feel he and Bent will be our first options next season - just my opinion.
Also, can't swear to it but I'm sure I saw Bannan today at the Marriot in Preston. Definitely saw some other Leeds players.

[eamonn]

He made his debut against Zilina two years and four months ago and scored. He only made his full league debut this season at Fulham and missed a couple of decent chances but the following week scored on his full home league debut against Blackpool. He was a gnat's testicle from scoring the winner in the derby in Jan with a terrific bit of technique. He's after noticeably getting physically stronger this season. Decent in the air, fantastic feet and a natural striker with an impressive goal return per minutes at whatever level he has played.

It's a tad unfair to compare him to the other young lads coming through. Making it as a young striker at the top level is harder than in any other position. Especially when we commonly play with only one out and out striker.

I fancy him to have a goal return of at least one in every two for Burnley and if he's given a fair run of games up front at Villa next season I think he'll be magic for us.

[Dave]

Well, that took him a whole four minutes to start scoring.

[Nirog72]

Really? Brilliant.

[Phil from the upper holte]

Good move in my opinion, will do the lad good to get stuck into a more physical league

[eamonn]

Told ya.

[Holtenderinthesky]

Well, that took him a whole four minutes to start scoring.

Indeed, he will do very well at that level.

[paulcomben]

And....he scores 5 minutes into his debut. Would Heskey or Gabby have done that? Houllier is bonkers.

[Lambert and Payne]

Well, that took him a whole four minutes to start scoring.

Indeed, he will do very well at that level.

Give the lad a break?

[WikiVilla]

Well done Fonzy

[villa `cross the mersey]

And....he scores 5 minutes into his debut. Would Heskey or Gabby have done that? Houllier is bonkers.

Not even Burnley would want Heskey on loan