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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Warren Aspinall on February 15, 2011, 09:32:59 PM
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Just scored for spuds.
Is he the one that got away for us or is he the luckiest striker around?
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Decent enough player.
When he played for us he was better with his feet than with his head, although he seems to have improved that side of his game since.
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Good player for me, we should have put a sell on clause in when he left.
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Sold for 2 bags of crisps and a tin of shandy bass by that football genius david o'pignose. Enough said.
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He was a lucky strike who got away. Dammit!!
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idiot to sell him as cheap as we did, decent player and scores goals
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Flat track bully? With those gangly limbs? Don't think so.
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He has improved massively since he left us. I wasn't sorry to see him go... but maybe with a better manager than O'Dreary to develop him he could have been a star for us. Wouldn't be amazed to see him back one day.
While I hate Spurszz, if they have to score it might as well be him as he seems a decent chap. When asked what he'd be if he hadn't been a footballer he replied "a virgin". Not many footballers are able to laugh at themselves.
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I think he's a very fine player and underrated. I didn't think much of him when he left us but fair play to him he's developed and done well.
I think he's been underused by Spurs and England and before them Liverpool.
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His goal scoring record isn't that great.
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Nobody shed any tears when he left and no big clubs were banging on Villa's door for his services. After he left Villa, he developed and became a better player. It happens.
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He's a hell of a lot better now than he was when he departed from VP, he really was Bambi on ice. The goal scoring record for England shows that he is a difficult customer to deal with if you are unfamiliar with him. His goal scoring record in the Premier League shows that once you are familiar with his style he is easy to mark out of a game.
If only he could jump he'd be excellent.
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was always quality!
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I was joking when I said we needed another Peter Crouch thread...
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He always plays well for Harry.
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We we're very lucky to sell him when we did. The wankers in the crowd were getting on his back because of he was a Graham Taylor purchase.
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Redknapp knows how to use him...
To get the brown paper bags from the loose brick in the really high wall.
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We we're very lucky to sell him when we did. The wankers in the crowd were getting on his back because of he was a Graham Taylor purchase.
Dead right. I remember a particular game when he came on as sub when some twat in front of me on the lower Holte started booing even before he'd kicked a ball.
He might not have been a success but he was never given a chance at Villa by the fans, sometimes we're our own worst enemies.
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We we're very lucky to sell him when we did. The wankers in the crowd were getting on his back because of he was a Graham Taylor purchase.
Dead right. I remember a particular game when he came on as sub when some twat in front of me on the lower Holte started booing even before he'd kicked a ball.
He might not have been a success but he was never given a chance at Villa by the fans, sometimes we're our own worst enemies.
I had a row with some knob over exactly the same thing, lower holte, right on the bend with the Trinity.
I will say though, I thought he'd won a lot of fans over before he left, he came back from Norwich looking much sharper and was unlucky to find Angel in his best form for us.
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DOL biggest mistake selling him, he behind Rooney been the best English striker in the last 10 years
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Crouch is a decent player and with good control for a big man , spurs were outstanding against Milan and a credit to English football last night , flamimi and gattuso were a disgrace and should have both been sent off but fair play to harry and his men , it's very rare I say it but well done spurs!
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Neither.
He's decent but a good way short (ha) of being top quality.
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Crouch is a decent player and with good control for a big man , spurs were outstanding against Milan and a credit to English football last night , flamimi and gattuso were a disgrace and should have both been sent off but fair play to harry and his men , it's very rare I say it but well done spurs!
They did well and it's a very good result but Milan were so average I think describing their performance as "outstanding" is falling for the Sky hype.
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We we're very lucky to sell him when we did. The wankers in the crowd were getting on his back because of he was a Graham Taylor purchase.
Dead right. I remember a particular game when he came on as sub when some twat in front of me on the lower Holte started booing even before he'd kicked a ball.
He might not have been a success but he was never given a chance at Villa by the fans, sometimes we're our own worst enemies.
I don't think that it was because he was bought by Taylor as such, more that people couldn't understand why he was being picked ahead of Angel.
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There's only one Rodney Trotter!
Got a fantastic record for England but most goals came against crap opposition. Should score more in the PL.
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hoof!
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DOL biggest mistake selling him, he behind Rooney been the best English striker in the last 10 years
Especially as he was replaced by Carlton Cole.
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There's only one Rodney Trotter!
Got a fantastic record for England but most goals came against crap opposition. Should score more in the PL.
we dont play the worlds top teams very regulary, and when we do, the manager chooses not to play his best goalscorer, and instead plumps for Rooney and Defoe etc.
he cant score if he's not on the pitch, but when he is, he does.
look back at Greavsie's record, when we were thrashing teams 8 and 9 nil, scoring goals at international level was a lot easier then, no one says that about him, or others of that gen.
he was all over Milan last night, they couldnt handle him,
he reduced one of europes hardest players into a quivering snarling wreck of a man,
also talking about scoring against top class oposition, you wont see a better hatrick than the one he scored against Arsenal at Anfield.
probably the most underated striker of all times
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I wasn't happy when he left and even less happy when we had the ineffective Carlton Cole in on loan.
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I wasn't bothered when he left, and I've never been especially interested in having him back.
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His goal scoring record isn't that great.
8 in this seasons Champions League & a goal every 3 games in his career.
It aint bad .
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He's a good £10m sub to have on the bench to change things, if you can afford that kind of thing. No top club would have him as their main striker.
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I like Crouch, he's got great footwork & a great first touch.
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I remember when we signed him, Everyone was like oh no its a graham Taylor purchase were going back to the long ball with a big striker, but im sure SGT said he'd play for england.
I remember listening to radio 5 and some pompey fan calling saying Villa will never get the best out of him as they don't know how to play to his strengths. I wasn't bothered when he left. I don't expect to see him back either
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Can you be a flat track bully if you're scoring goals at the very highest level? I don't think you can. His record at international level is superb, as is his Champions League record to date. You start dissecting the opposition he's scored against - bearing in mind these are international teams and the strongest club sides in Europe - and looking to downgrade his ratio that way, you can just about pull apart every striker in the world. Oh, hello Pele...
He was young and raw when we signed him, and looked young and raw when we sold him to Southampton. Since then, he's matured and blossomed and developed very well, better than I would have predicted.
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I really liked him when he played at the Villa would i like him to return i would have to say no they say never go back but decent player though.
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When Taylor sigend him I was disappointed because I thought it was Cascarino mkII and it was long ball time.
However Crouchy won me over, I thought he was a very good player even back then, and I was very disappointed when that idiot let him go for peanuts. Shame all some Villa fans could see was his unusual physique, which meant they wrote him off without actually bothering to look at his ability.
It hasn't surprised me at all that he's performed consistently well at the top end of the PL and in the CL with Liverpool and Spurs.
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people just dont like him because of the way he looks,
i'm not a big Darren Bent fan, but i cant argue with his goalscoring record, its the same for Crouchy,
you just cant argue with someone who scores lots of goals, especialy at international level and champs league
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I don't need to fall for sky hype chris, I was hugely impressed by spurs performance against a Milan side who top serie a , maybe Milan looked average because spurs made them look average , it was an outstanding performance in a hostile atmosphere and although I'm no great lover of spurs I was full of admiration for their display- they have come on leaps and bounds in the last 2 years while we have slipped back.
The good thing for us is that redknapp will probably get the England job next yr and spurs hopefully will slip backwards after that.
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Crouch is a decent player and with good control for a big man , spurs were outstanding against Milan and a credit to English football last night , flamimi and gattuso were a disgrace and should have both been sent off but fair play to harry and his men , it's very rare I say it but well done spurs!
They did well and it's a very good result but Milan were so average I think describing their performance as "outstanding" is falling for the Sky hype.
you must be crackers not to think that was anything but an outsatanding performance last night,
putting any anti spurs predjudices to one side,
they have just beaten a very good AC Milan side away from home, publicly humiliated one of the strongest european midfield players in his own back yard. and left him acting like my 3 year old.
i could accept your view if your standards of performance was consitantly high, but normaly it is appalingly low,
like when Downing or Gabby have had an extremly average game, your on here saying they played well, i just think well he sets the bar very low, then you see that last night and call it falling for SKY hype,
i dislike Spurs as much as the next man, but i'm not so one eyed i cant give credit to a outstanding European performance when i see one
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Well said john e , totally agree , I'm sure If mon had been manager last night mr smith would have found it a far more outstanding performance though- I am not fan of harry myself but credit to him for last night .
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You are confusing the result with the performance, John. The game was fairly uninspiring, it only livened up when Milan started kicking them in the second half and Spurs did just what they had to do but "outstanding" is over egging what was a pretty average game of football although Gomez made 2 very good saves.
I wonder how that Milan side would get on in the PL?
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Well said john e , totally agree , I'm sure If mon had been manager last night mr smith would have found it a far more outstanding performance though- I am not fan of harry myself but credit to him for last night .
Zzzzzzzz
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Well said john e , totally agree , I'm sure If mon had been manager last night mr smith would have found it a far more outstanding performance though- I am not fan of harry myself but credit to him for last night .
Zzzzzzzz
Agreed. You were more of an O'Leary man. When will these thick ignorant feckers ever learn?
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I do have to say, there's no getting away from the fact that Spurs have made significant progress in the last two years; they've overtaken us and left us standing. If it were Villa going to the San Siro in the knockout stages of the Champions League, I wouldn't care how we rated the merits of a win - any kind of victory in Milan would be good enough for me.
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We we're very lucky to sell him when we did. The wankers in the crowd were getting on his back because of he was a Graham Taylor purchase.
Dead right. I remember a particular game when he came on as sub when some twat in front of me on the lower Holte started booing even before he'd kicked a ball.
He might not have been a success but he was never given a chance at Villa by the fans, sometimes we're our own worst enemies.
I don't think that it was because he was bought by Taylor as such, more that people couldn't understand why he was being picked ahead of Angel.
I could.
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His biggest problem at the Villa was that he didn't look like your typical football player. That was enough for most of the simpletons who got on his back to write him off.
He's always scored goals, got brilliant feet and almost never gives the ball away. Quality player and it's a real shame he was never really given a chance at the Villa by certain sections of the crowd or we could've made a lot more of him, both in contribution on the pitch and financial reward on selling him.
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His biggest problem at Villa was that he didn't score enough goals.
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His biggest problem at Villa was that he didn't score enough goals.
Hard to do from the bench, or maybe he made more starts than remember? Either way, I remember liking him and having a feeling of 'we will regret this' when we sold him.
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His biggest problem at Villa was that he didn't score enough goals.
Hard to do from the bench, or maybe he made more starts than remember? Either way, I remember liking him and having a feeling of 'we will regret this' when we sold him.
25 starts, 18 sub appearances - 6 goals.
I thought he was ok but A career strike rate of 1 in 4 in the leagues is pretty average.
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His biggest problem at Villa was that he didn't score enough goals.
Hard to do from the bench, or maybe he made more starts than remember? Either way, I remember liking him and having a feeling of 'we will regret this' when we sold him.
25 starts, 18 sub appearances - 6 goals.
I thought he was ok but A career strike rate of 1 in 4 in the leagues is pretty average.
Any idea how those figures break down before and after he went out on loan?
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When we had Crouch the problem was we played the ball up to him early,asking him to hold it up or nod it on to a runner-al la Niall quinn or Can'tscorino for the rep of ire.
but Peter wasn't that type of player-he needed the ball only coming to him later in the move-he has 'decent feet for a big lad' but as graham taylor will say he cannot really jump-he never had to as a lad.
but time and time again I would see one of our defenders look up and try a 50 yard ball to his head,bypassing our midfield-he was too inexperienced/lightweight to play as a 'hold up man' and therefore he looked shit and so did we.
he is undeniably 6'7" so he should always have an edge on most defenders-especially when he peals to a far post and picks up a full back instead of the main centre back designated to him.
In the same way Blues do with Zigic-he is a much worse footballer than Crouch but is undeniably 6'8"
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as i've said before i've never seen a player taken apart and destroyed like he did to Gattuso last week,
he systematicaly humiliated him in front of his own fans, and by the end he was a gibbering quivering wreck,
no matter what Gattuso wins in his career, and that maybe a lot he will never forget that night when Crouchy got the better of him.
when he scored the winner, it was like putting Gattuso's head on a pole and sticking it outside the city walls for all to see, the man was totally beside himself with rage,and made an absolute tit of himself.
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How did The Spurs centre forward systematically take apart Milan's central midfield player? They had a couple of run ins but that was about it. I think you are letting your love for Crouch get the better of you, John.
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His biggest problem at the Villa was that he didn't look like your typical football player. That was enough for most of the simpletons who got on his back to write him off.
Very true.
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How did The Spurs centre forward systematically take apart Milan's central midfield player? They had a couple of run ins but that was about it. I think you are letting your love for Crouch get the better of you, John.
true, i do love him,
but they were at each other all night
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How did The Spurs centre forward systematically take apart Milan's central midfield player? They had a couple of run ins but that was about it. I think you are letting your love for Crouch get the better of you, John.
true, i do love him,
but they were at each other all night
Ooh err missus.
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I think Crouch is a much better player than he was when he was with us. However, I don't think he's top quality, in fact, he's quite far from being that. Flat track bully is a bit much, mind.
I'm going to sit on the fence. Not literally, mind.
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His biggest problem at Villa was that he didn't score enough goals.
Hard to do from the bench, or maybe he made more starts than remember? Either way, I remember liking him and having a feeling of 'we will regret this' when we sold him.
25 starts, 18 sub appearances - 6 goals.
I thought he was ok but A career strike rate of 1 in 4 in the leagues is pretty average.
he was young, playing in a very ordinary team, did not get a run of games, we sold him for less than we paid for him and a lot less than liverpool paid for him, i am sure that if he had been here under MON he would have flourished but pug nose sol him cheap
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He never got a chance because anything Sir Graham did was wrong according to a very voiciferous and opinionated bunch of supporters. The fact that he was also seen some sort of rival to St Juampi, who some of those self-same supporters would have you believe they scouted, signed, paid for and sorted out his contract problems personally didn't help, either.
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I thought that it was right to get rid of him when we did. At the time he was our 4th choice striker behind Angel, vassell (?), and Allback. Angel had also just notched 20 goals the season before so there was no reason to suggest that things would be different.
I think it also clouds our memories over Cahill. We've seen that Crouch went on to better things and keep using Cahill as a stick to beat the club with. Even though for all his links to CL teams he's still with the club we sold him to.
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for me, getting rid of Cahill and Crouch was wrong/ ill concieved, allthough the reasons were different, both players would be welcome additions to our squad right now. Both players seem to have something in common which is attitude and they have a good attitude,
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Always rated him, a Stretch Bergkamp was my thoughts at the time, backed him to score almost every game, was always about 8/1 or 9/1 made a small fortune out of him. £80 @ Bolton, £90 @ Middlesboro, & £120 @ Chelsea are the definites I can remember.
Though I do remember the absolute sitter he missed at Southampton as well ;-)