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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on November 12, 2010, 07:52:28 PM
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So unlucky, but fantastic from the kids. Well played.
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Outstanding performance.
Would still have been even if Man Utd had scored again in the last couple of minutes. The kids should be proud of themselves.
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So unlucky, but fantastic from the kids. Well played.
Indeed
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
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Well given the team we put out, that is a great result.
Just feels like a kick in the teeth, as we let slip a 2 goal lead.
I would also like to voice how much I hate them
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so close
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Yep, outstanding performance, from what I saw of my jumpy stream. Downing and Albrighton stood out for me. A shame that we couldn't hold onto the win, but I think that we're going in the right direction under GH.
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I'm gutted for the lads to be honest as much as us. There is such a fine line between where we are and where could be or want to be. These kids were fabulous today, so it's ironic that one of theirs got them back in the game with something he's done to us before. Nevertheless, we were really brilliant in long stretches against the strongest team Man U could have fielded. Disappointed, but very proud of every one of them.
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Great performance from a young Villa team, but I'm still gutted, deserved a win
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
You really haven't got a clue.
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
It must make you so happy inside to always see the most negative aspect of everything we do.
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Brilliant 80 minutes. If we'd have scored one of the chances we created in a frankly outstanding half an hour in the second half we would've rightly won by a couple of clear goals and put 4 or 5 past Man Utd.
Why wasn't Tango Man Brown not sent off for the foul for the penalty? Some people on the match thread have called us bottlers - that is bollocks, but the ref bottled it (again) here.
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unlucky... could easily have been 4 up... kids did brilliant.... their bench was obv stronger .... we will have these bastards soon....
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Great performance...some tired legs out there at the end.
Full credit to the babbies.
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Very, very proud of my Villa today.
We know we played those wankers off the park today.
The future is bright – it is very bright!!!!
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Two hours ago we were going to be lambs to the slaughter and we've matched them today and played brilliantly. It's a great point considering the team we had out. Shame we didn't win but it's never easy against these utter ******.
Albrighton MOTM for me. Well done lads.
Oh and I really want to smash Macheda's face in with an iron, even more so than two years ago.
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we ran out of legs thats all, we just outplayed one of the best teams in europe with a bunch of kids
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
That is totally unfair, Man Ure always puts teams under so much pressure especially when they were losing like that with nothing to lose!
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Very disappointed because we worked so hard for 80 minutes. The kids who were thrown into the deep end played really well. Our first choice back four has got to do better than that.
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Brilliant 80 minutes. If we'd have scored one of the chances we created in a frankly outstanding half an hour in the second half we would've rightly won by a couple of clear goals and put 4 or 5 past Man Utd.
Yeah but how many times have we said that????
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Very, very proud of my Villa today.
We know we played those wankers off the park today.
The future is bright – it is very bright!!!!
Well said Tony.
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If GH can add a piece or two in January, I am convinced that we have what it takes to get into a European spot for next season. This young team will only get better, and the injury situation will improve.
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It's a shame we let it slip at the end but I think it was a great performance. My stream went down just after the penalty and didn't come back until just before the first Manc goal (conspiracy?) but from what I saw I was very pleased. The kids played and played well, allied to some good attacking football.
Friedel - 7 - couple of crucial stops towards the end
L Young - 7 - thought he was good, some cracking tackles
Dunne - 6 - unconvincing
Collins - 6 - doesn't look as assured as last season but very unlucky not to score
Warnock - 7 - thought he looked much better
Albrighton - 8 - thought he was always dangerous and (apparently) scored
Hogg - 6 - his passing wasn't great but he got stuck in, which I'm sure is why he was there
Bannan - 8 - thought he was excellent, don't remember a ball he gave away
Downing - 8 - looks a better player every time I see him this season
A Young - 7 - did well
Gabby - 7 - Vidic must dread playing against him
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He has a point, we did bottle it. We had it sewn up with the second. Just needed the defence - our most experienced players out there - to hold on for a little bit more and again we didn't.
Obviously immensely proud of the performance, the lads did great. Albrighton is a very, VERY, good winger. Bannan is a great footballer. Honestly, I don't think Hogg is gonna make the grade, but he played well today too. Hugely disappointing to walk away with a draw.
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From BBC - Vidic should have been sent off.
"1447: Ollie's right - in all the mayhem, I forgot to tell you Ashley Young was booked for jumping into the Villa fans to celebrate their opener, but after scoring the equaliser and jumping into the United fans, Vidic wasn't cautioned. Poor refereeing, you have to say."
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Brilliant performance. Downing, Albrighton, Young and Gabby outstanding in the second half. And Bannan was very good too; improves noticeably with each game. We just ran out of legs at the end. We had nothing left in the tank when we had to defend the lead. But there's some outstanding spirit in the team. We'll be great when we get some fresh legs in.
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
Good fucking grief.
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Great effort- pride and passion too! We deserved to win but what a great lift for the the young lads to take the game to utd- i was delighted by the display . Bit worried about dunne still but overall take a bow Aston villa!
Once houllier has had chance to bring in some signings I see very good times to come!
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
Dear God, how depressing. Why do you bother?
Cracking attitude and unlucky at the death. A good point against the Mancscum with an emergency team.
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How did Vidic not get booked for doing exactly the same thing Young did?
Oh, that's right, because he would have had to have sent him off, that's why.
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Compared to the tonking that everyone including me thought at the start that was a brilliant performance even with the ending.
Should they have finished with 9 men on the pitch, let alone 10.
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you watch us go next season.... so proud of them..
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Desperately unlucky to not win that, we didn't bottle it. Great performance from the young lads, would have taken a point before hand but this just feels like a defeat. Those smelly lucky manure bastards. i hate them.
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Before the game from looking at the lineups I thought we'd get destroyed, but I'm glad to be proven wrong.
A Villa team with 9 injuries almost beat a very strong Manure side. We just needed to keep doing what we were doing, but when Gabby went off it became more difficult and we just tried to defend the lead. The kids played brilliantly though, a lot of positives can be taken from this despite not holding on for the win.
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
Funny how it is two balls into the box as Macheda scored from outside of it. What about the 30 other balls in they never scored from.
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Compared to the tonking that everyone including me thought at the start that was a brilliant performance even with the ending.
Should they have finished with 9 men on the pitch, let alone 10.
I certainly didn't think we'd get a tonking before the game or after the line ups were announced. I think our kids that have been developed under Tony McAndrew and Sid are excellent and have no fear. They played a very open and inventive game and will continue to develop.
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2-0 up, finishes 2-2. Conclusive proof that, 15 years on, you really don't win anything with kids?
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Thats 3 games on the trot where we have conceded silly goals, including 2 of those games conceding in the last 10 minutes. It is not down to the young kids that we conceded its marking and lack of concentration by the very experienced defenders, Collins, Dunne, Warnock and Luke Young have a lot of games between them.
The young lads acquited themselves very well and we are looking very good for the future.
By the way welcome back Mr Agbonlahor.
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If GH can add a piece or two in January, I am convinced that we have what it takes to get into a European spot for next season. This young team will only get better, and the injury situation will improve.
In some way the injury situation has brought the kids on leaps and bounds................
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Ashley booked for going into crowd, Vidic not and he would have been on second yellow.
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Having calmed down a bit I have to say that we were excellent at times today and fair play to the boys and to GH, However it is very concerning that we lose so many points from winning positions. Still, we look a lot better than we have on recent games and let's hope we can learn from this.
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
Funny how it is two balls into the box as Macheda scored from outside of it. What about the 30 other balls in they never scored from.
He never saw those. He didn't see any of the positives that the vast majority of us have seen today. Yes, we're all gutted, but I truly hate meaningless uneducated posts from people who don't understand balance.
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Excellent performance from the young lads. I maybe wrong, but I don't think we would have got the result with a full team. Some of the injured players must look and learn.
Of course all the press will be about Man Utds comeback.
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I'd like Villa to question why neither Brown nor Vidic were sent off today. Not through the media, but quietly and quickly. We've been fucked over by bottler refs against these too many times.
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That black country villa line is a fucking disgrace. That's your only comment?! Fucking outrageous
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He never saw those. He didn't see any of the positives that the vast majority of us have seen today. Yes, we're all gutted, but I truly hate meaningless uneducated posts from people who don't understand balance.
I agree he's OTT but I'm not sure you are the best person to be lecturing others on balance.
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If GH can add a piece or two in January, I am convinced that we have what it takes to get into a European spot for next season. This young team will only get better, and the injury situation will improve.
In some way the injury situation has brought the kids on leaps and bounds................
No doubt Tony. But we can't expect them to carry the season and the older heads will need to come back in at some point and play their part. What I do think is that the kids are here to stay and even GH leaving Hogg on for so long, and introducing Lichaj and Herd so late is a real indication of faith. I would hope once the carnage clears from the physio's room, those players can play their part in the development of the youngsters.
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
Miserable barsteward.
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Yes it was a good performance but how many late goals is that we've conceded this season? Not good enough. Even at 2-0 you just knew we wouldn't hold on, the fans knew it, the players knew it.
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Fourth officials reason, "he was pushed in"? Fucking bullshit.
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I feared the worst pre-game but the kids did brilliantly. Very proud of the performance just a real shame we wouldn't hold on but given the chances we had, Gabby, Collins and Albrighton they should of been dead and buried. We really need to be more ruthless. That said very well done me babies.
I honestly think GH is getting 110% out of these players and its refreshing to see a manager with tactics....
They could of been quite easily down to nine men, the standard of ref's this season is shocking.
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He never saw those. He didn't see any of the positives that the vast majority of us have seen today. Yes, we're all gutted, but I truly hate meaningless uneducated posts from people who don't understand balance.
I agree he's OTT but I'm not sure you are the best person to be lecturing others on balance.
People are upset, and rightly so. Give it a couple of hours and we'll see some more balanced views I'm sure.
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He never saw those. He didn't see any of the positives that the vast majority of us have seen today. Yes, we're all gutted, but I truly hate meaningless uneducated posts from people who don't understand balance.
I agree he's OTT but I'm not sure you are the best person to be lecturing others on balance.
Ironic them coming from you. When did you become a mediator? You're no different to anybody else on here, but as usual instead of keeping your shit to yourself you look for opportunities to start any kind of argument. If you've got nothing constructive to add hilts go play somewhere else.
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I thought we played well as a team, Downing and Albrighton were superb.
With some of these kid's the future is bright.
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He never saw those. He didn't see any of the positives that the vast majority of us have seen today. Yes, we're all gutted, but I truly hate meaningless uneducated posts from people who don't understand balance.
I agree he's OTT but I'm not sure you are the best person to be lecturing others on balance.
Ironic them coming from you. When did you become a mediator? You're no different to anybody else on here, but as usual instead of keeping your shit to yourself you look for opportunities to start any kind of argument. If you've got nothing constructive to add hilts go play somewhere else.
Calm down man, I'm not trying to start anything. Neither am I trying to mediate. I'm simply saying that your posts are not marked by their balance - they are admirably, but relentlessly, positive.
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I'd like Villa to question why neither Brown nor Vidic were sent off today. Not through the media, but quietly and quickly. We've been fucked over by bottler refs against these too many times.
Don't forget Nani's retaliation on Warnock and also an argument could be made for Hernandez getting a yellow for kicking the ball away after knowing he was offside.
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Great performance from our young lads. Some of our older, more experienced heads should have kept theirs and hung onto the lead. We have a dreadful problem in the last ten minutes of games and it has to be addressed. Having said that, this was Man Utd, and better, more experienced teams than ours today have been punished late on in games.
A far better result and performance than the one I expected, and our younger players can be especially proud of themselves.
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Nani shoulda been off, for premeditated violent conduct. Brown off for the penalty. But hey, it IS Man Utd.
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I am proud of those kids today, magnificent.
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I'd like Villa to question why neither Brown nor Vidic were sent off today. Not through the media, but quietly and quickly. We've been fucked over by bottler refs against these too many times.
Don't forget Nani's retaliation on Warnock and also an argument could be made for Hernandez getting a yellow for kicking the ball away after knowing he was offside.
It's annoying as we should only be congratulating our players on a pretty sublime performance but they continuously get away with murder against us. Yes, Hernandez should've gone too. They have better players so them getting the rub of the green as well is pretty hard to take.
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I imagine we are feeling a bit how blackpool fans did on Wednesday......
i.e. we nearly beat those fuckers..even with the team we put out...there's no way we are going down.....
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He never saw those. He didn't see any of the positives that the vast majority of us have seen today. Yes, we're all gutted, but I truly hate meaningless uneducated posts from people who don't understand balance.
I agree he's OTT but I'm not sure you are the best person to be lecturing others on balance.
Ironic them coming from you. When did you become a mediator? You're no different to anybody else on here, but as usual instead of keeping your shit to yourself you look for opportunities to start any kind of argument. If you've got nothing constructive to add hilts go play somewhere else.
Calm down man, I'm not trying to start anything. Neither am I trying to mediate. I'm simply saying that your posts are not marked by their balance - they are admirably, but relentlessly, positive.
Hilts, your post was clear aimed at shit stirring. Your posts are no different to mine if you want to talk about balance. I'm not OTT positive, and you're not OTT negative, but we both approach things differently. I don't comment on the numerous times you've been negative on a situation, because it doesn't matter. You're entitled to your opinion and so am I. I don't comment on your negativity so give it a rest trying to point out whether I offer a balanced view on a subject.
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I imagine we are feeling a bit how blackpool fans did on Wednesday......
i.e. we nearly beat those fuckers..even with the team we put out...there's no way we are going down.....
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Going down? You'd have to be a severe pessimist to ever have thought that mate :)
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Nani shoulda been off, for premeditated violent conduct. Brown off for the penalty. But hey, it IS Man Utd.
I agree about Nani. There was another defender around for the pen so I don't think Brown's was a sending off. Vidic I don't care about; the damage was done by then.
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I am gutted but very very proud.
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One slight criticism still on corner taking. We have now started to take outswinging corners which has stopped them being catching practice for a keeper and means our defenders are getting heads on the ball. But we need to have someone standing in front of the keeper for the balls in. Tevez plays that position and anything dropping there is normally in the net. First half Dunne header was crying out for someone there.
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Overall, a nice performance. I really like Albrighton's enthusiasm. Bannan has a good ability to make interesting passes to open up the play. IMHO Man U. had horseshoes up their arses today. Not too impresses with the Fonz though. Downing also played well.
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Hilts, your post was clear aimed at shit stirring. Your posts are no different to mine if you want to talk about balance. I'm not OTT positive, and you're not OTT negative, but we both approach things differently. I don't comment on the numerous times you've been negative on a situation, because it doesn't matter. You're entitled to your opinion and so am I. I don't comment on your negativity so give it a rest trying to point out whether I offer a balanced view on a subject.
No, it really wasn't. You're right though about being entitled to our opinions; but that also applies to Blackcountry Villa, however much you might disagree with him.
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Loved Fergies old fashioned Outside Right comment on Marc.
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Nani shoulda been off, for premeditated violent conduct. Brown off for the penalty. But hey, it IS Man Utd.
I agree about Nani. There was another defender around for the pen so I don't think it was a sending off. Vidic I don't care about; the damage was done by then.
Admittedly is kind of irrelevant once Vidic scores but the fact remains he had only just booked Young for doing the same thing. There is no justification for it. Refs never seem to make these big decisions in favour of Man Utd - certainly not when they're playing us.
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I imagine we are feeling a bit how blackpool fans did on Wednesday......
i.e. we nearly beat those fuckers..even with the team we put out...there's no way we are going down.....
We didn't have any choice with the team that we put out though, whereas all of Blackpool's rested players are back in the side against West Ham.
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Oh well at least Dwight Yorke is happy.
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Hilts, your post was clear aimed at shit stirring. Your posts are no different to mine if you want to talk about balance. I'm not OTT positive, and you're not OTT negative, but we both approach things differently. I don't comment on the numerous times you've been negative on a situation, because it doesn't matter. You're entitled to your opinion and so am I. I don't comment on your negativity so give it a rest trying to point out whether I offer a balanced view on a subject.
No, it really wasn't. You're right though about being entitled to our opinions; but that also applies to Blackcountry Villa, however much you might disagree with him.
Can we discuss the match now please. Both of you.
<prays they don't see I'm not a moderator>
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I'd like Villa to question why neither Brown nor Vidic were sent off today. Not through the media, but quietly and quickly. We've been fucked over by bottler refs against these too many times.
Don't forget Nani's retaliation on Warnock and also an argument could be made for Hernandez getting a yellow for kicking the ball away after knowing he was offside.
It's annoying as we should only be congratulating our players on a pretty sublime performance but they continuously get away with murder against us. Yes, Hernandez should've gone too. They have better players so them getting the rub of the green as well is pretty hard to take.
I'm ok with Brown only getting a yellow, Ferdinand was going to get some kind of challenge in, so he wasn't the last man.
Vidic should have had a second yellow, just as Neville should have the other week against Stoke.
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Proud of the lads, outplayed the redscum for 80 mins, the future looks good indeed. Loved the second goal, you won't see much better all season.
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Nani shoulda been off, for premeditated violent conduct. Brown off for the penalty. But hey, it IS Man Utd.
I agree about Nani. There was another defender around for the pen so I don't think it was a sending off. Vidic I don't care about; the damage was done by then.
Admittedly is kind of irrelevant once Vidic scores but the fact remains he had only just booked Young for doing the same thing. There is no justification for it. Refs never seem to make these big decisions in favour of Man Utd - certainly not when they're playing us.
I'm thankful he gave a penalty to be honest (although I had no faith it was going to be a goal at the time).
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Hilts, your post was clear aimed at shit stirring. Your posts are no different to mine if you want to talk about balance. I'm not OTT positive, and you're not OTT negative, but we both approach things differently. I don't comment on the numerous times you've been negative on a situation, because it doesn't matter. You're entitled to your opinion and so am I. I don't comment on your negativity so give it a rest trying to point out whether I offer a balanced view on a subject.
No, it really wasn't. You're right though about being entitled to our opinions; but that also applies to Blackcountry Villa, however much you might disagree with him.
I agree, but there's a difference between agreeing or disagreeing with a post and having to comment on whether somebody else is balanced or not. You're post had nothing to with the original post, or whether or not you disagreed with my retort did it? Feel free to defend his opinion or support the contrary but that wasn't your objective.
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I agree, but there's a difference between agreeing or disagreeing with a post and having to comment on whether somebody else is balanced or not. You're post had nothing to with the original post, or whether or not you disagreed with my retort did it? Feel free to defend his opinion or support the contrary but that wasn't your objective.
But that's exactly what you did to his post! Twice!
"It must make you so happy inside to always see the most negative aspect of everything we do."
"I truly hate meaningless uneducated posts from people who don't understand balance."
In any event, I did comment on Blackcountry Villa's original post, in that I agreed with you it was OTT. Please don't presume to tell me what my objective was.
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Gutted that we didn't win, but then I looked on the bright side. At 86 mins on wednesday we were looking at 1 point with Man U next. Our kids against one of the best two sides in the country (or so they tell me), the referee and the inevitable 5 minutes of added time if they were not winning. As it is we have 4 points and a young team who can feel proud of themselves tonight.
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Very proud of the boys indeed all in all. Thought Collins was a rock today.We lost impetus for me when Delfouneso came on, not that I am blaming him directly, we just seemed to have no one running the channels by then
Hats off to United - it is the sign of winners to come back like that. Put it this way, we wouldn't have!
Fantastic game and one I thought we would lose so I am trying to remember to see it as a point won...
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Proud of the boys, we know we deserved to win and were the better team all round. WE are the future.
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I agree, but there's a difference between agreeing or disagreeing with a post and having to comment on whether somebody else is balanced or not. You're post had nothing to with the original post, or whether or not you disagreed with my retort did it? Feel free to defend his opinion or support the contrary but that wasn't your objective.
But that's exactly what you did to his post! Twice!
"It must make you so happy inside to always see the most negative aspect of everything we do."
"I truly hate meaningless uneducated posts from people who don't understand balance."
In any event, I did comment on Blackcountry Villa's original post, in that I agreed with you it was OTT. Please don't presume to tell me what my objective was.
You've missed the point. Balance doesn't have to mean opinions that are always right down the middle. That post was over the top and had no comment whatsover on the postives of today's game. Like I said, you look for opportunities to create controversy. This is a thread to talk about the game, and that's what I intend to do.
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Will we EVER beat ManUre ???
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Our midfielf of Bannan and Hogg shat all over Fletcher and Carrick... you'd have thought it was Bannan and Hogg who have played in the Premier league for 5 or 6 years - awesome performance by both lads.
Albrighton was sick again, made Evra look like a clown and Downing just made Wes Brown look like the shit and average player that he is. Ash played well again too, good penalty from him.
Overall it's a bit annoying to no beat United after looking so comfortable for 80 minutes, some inspired subs from Fergie nicked a point for them. Lets just remember we completely outplayed them with our kids and I'm very proud of the Villa today after a very spirited and determined performance.
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Will we EVER beat ManUre ???
yes, last season at Mold Trafford.
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Will we EVER beat ManUre ???
We have to get to a point where we are mentally strong enough to fight to the bitter end. They have they that in their DNA and it all comes from Ferguson. We've shown glimpses of it during the MON years, but not enough, and not consistently. I think we are too nice, and too soft, and other teams know that they we are vunerable late on. It's something we need to rid ourselves of to push on.
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Great second half performance and grew in confidence. How many times did we hit the woodwork? I know people will say results are everything but how much better was this than the 1-0 against Everton.
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You've missed the point. Balance doesn't have to mean opinions that are always right down the middle. That post was over the top and had no comment whatsover on the postives of today's game. Like I said, you look for opportunities to create controversy.
On the contrary, I agreed with you then and I agree with you now.
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Great second half performance and grew in confidence. How many times did we hit the woodwork? I know people will say results are everything but how much better was this than the 1-0 against Everton.
The openess of our football today was as good as it has been in a good while.
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The difference in performance compared to Blackpool was massive.
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Great performance from the kids but we can't close out games. Wasn't even particularly pissed off when their second went in. How can you be when you knew it was inevitable?
Not building on slim 1-0 leads has cost us this season but I did think we had actually done enough when we got to 2-0. More fool me.
In the last two weeks if you'd offered us 1-0 up v Fulham away and 2-0 to the good v Man U at home, and all we had to do to win was to kill the game in the last few minutes you'd have taken it pre kick off.
But we can't, so it's two points instead of the six we should have on the board.
We had a similar failing under MON at various times, but it's really starting to bite at the moment. Injuries play their part, of course they do. But whatever eleven we have on the pitch should be able to see the thing through from such a favourable position. One of the things you look at in a manager is how he faces those kind of challenges, the changes he makes (be they tactics or personnel) to secure the points et.c. So far GH is coming up short. Injuries or not.
I think it's great that so many are tripping over themselves to look for positives, I really do.
But it's beginning to sound like "It's OK, we're Aston Villa. We don't need to win football matches."
Perhaps the players think that too.
It's a concern for me if the level of performance starts to dip or if confidence takes a hit after today. They used to say it was a sign of a good team if they don't play well and still win. What do you say about a team who plays quite well and can't win?
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Our midfielf of Bannan and Hogg shat all over Fletcher and Carrick... you'd have thought it was Bannan and Hogg who have played in the Premier league for 5 or 6 years - awesome performance by both lads.
Albrighton was sick again, made Evra look like a clown and Downing just made Wes Brown look like the shit and average player that he is. Ash played well again too, good penalty from him.
Overall it's a bit annoying to no beat United after looking so comfortable for 80 minutes, some inspired subs from Fergie nicked a point for them. Lets just remember we completely outplayed them with our kids and I'm very proud of the Villa today after a very spirited and determined performance.
That and tired legs. Young was off the pace at the end and couldn't stop Nani playing the only decent ball he made in the whole match to Vidic. Would have been interesting if the ref hadn't bottled that decision when he assaulted Warnock.. Although it was still 0-0 and they would have tried to play the counter attack which meant they would have been tighter at the back so we might not have scored.
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Our midfielf of Bannan and Hogg shat all over Fletcher and Carrick... you'd have thought it was Bannan and Hogg who have played in the Premier league for 5 or 6 years - awesome performance by both lads.
I thought Bannan was the better of the two but Hogg certainly didn't do much wrong. I agree that Fletcher and (particularly) Carrick were anonymous. As was Berbatov.
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Feels like a loss, again.
We played very well and hope we keep it up.
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Would have been interesting if the ref hadn't bottled that decision when he assaulted Warnock.. Although it was still 0-0 and they would have tried to play the counter attack which meant they would have been tighter at the back so we might not have scored.
True enough. They were down to 10 men at VP last season and looked more likely than us to win it.
ETA - Although Rooney was playing out of his skin then.
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
You really haven't got a clue.
He really hasn't, it's laughable. Atleast Gregnash had a logic to his wind-up views.
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Would have been interesting if the ref hadn't bottled that decision when he assaulted Warnock.. Although it was still 0-0 and they would have tried to play the counter attack which meant they would have been tighter at the back so we might not have scored.
True enough. They were down to 10 men at VP last season and looked more likely than us to win it.
ETA - Although Rooney was playing out of his skin then.
Although as they tired we had some good chances in the last 10 mins. But as you said Rooney was playing out of his skin. If that was towards the end of the season (after the League cup final) when he started to get worried about his private life it probably would have been an easy win for us.
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Gabby going off defintely affected us; we were much less of a threat on the break and they could afford to push more men up. A function of injuries and poor size/quality of squad.
Downing and Albrighton were exceptional
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I thought considering he had just come on that Fonz did amble more the he should have for the last 10 mins. He should have been buzzing around their players at the back more then he did when they had the ball.
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Just got back, gutted about the 2 late goals but looking at the bigger picture we were fantastic, thats the best we've played against that lot for years, they'll be absolutely thrilled with a point
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Just got back, gutted about the 2 late goals but looking at the bigger picture we were fantastic, thats the best we've played against that lot for years, they'll be absolutely thrilled with a point
I think bigger picture is right. Chelski and Manure will both feel lucky to have left Villa Park with a point this year.
Now we just need to start picking up more points in the other games - and get a few players back to fitness.
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The victory would have been cathartic, and would have lightened the baggage of one win in thirty for this new generation of players. Still really proud of the kids today though, and delighted with the example shown by our more experienced players going forward such as Gabby, Ash, and Downing.
I can understand why Houllier wanted to bring the Fonz on at that stage, with Gabby returning from injury, and the Fonz needing some experience to become a realistic option in the long-run. Its easy to say with hindsight, but I don't think he is ready for the lone striker role yet though. I would have been more comfortable with Gabby holding the ball up in the last few minutes.
Downing is really looking the part this season, which has compensated for Ireland's relative no-show so far. It feels as tough we have pretty much consolidated over the last few years in terms of experience/ talent in this area of the squad; with Downing effectively a replacement for Barry, Ireland for Milner, and the emergence of Albrighton.
It seems to me that O'Neill's brand of relative success was unsustainable, buying a whole new defence each season, falling-out with his own signings etc. We were able to consolidate (arguably an achievement in itself) by spending a lot of money (sometimes almost indiscriminately), but ultimately not progress further - and I think he could see that he had taken us as far as he could. Hopefully Houllier can manage the development of these young players, and bring in some choice additions to actually take us forward.
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Played really well for half an hour in the second half, a fair result overall, we looked a bit nervous in the first half and Berbatov had a really good chance to score, but just before half time we were getting on top and carried that into the second half.
Gutted at how they came back into it, and Gabby going off did mean we had less of an escape route but he's just back from injury and I didn't expect him to last the full 90.
Barry Bannan played really well, the ref, as usual against Man United, bottled some decisions, Hernandez had to be booked for kicking the ball away, Brown for the penalty I'd have to see again but if he's booking Ashley for going into the crowd he has to book Vidic, wouldn't have made much difference by that stage but refs just need to be consistent.
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Gutted but as good a performance second half from us against Man Yoo as I have seen. By Fergies own admission, could have been 5 or 6 second half, ripped them apart at times. Really impressed by the pressure on the ball, and breaking at speed when in possession...joy to watch.
I never know how they manage to find another gear when 2 down, but they have done it for years...at least the two goals conceded were half decent and weren't thrown away, and at least we didn't let them nick all 3 points...
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Excellent performance from the kids, Hogg done well, as did Bannan and Albrighton. I thought Stewart Downing was outstanding today too. He really stepped up to the plate today.
The standard of refereeing again was disgraceful. Vidic should have been booked for the same reasons as Ash was, Nani for violent conduct, Brown for the penalty, and Hernandez for his second yellow. (Should have been yellow'd for booting it into Holte end in the 1st half) - But this is Man Utd and we can't can't upset suralex can we?
As for their fans, once again they'll be winning the 'most odious away fans of the season' award. Arrogant wankers.
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Villa yoof 2 Manure (+ ref) 2
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Played really well for half an hour in the second half, a fair result overall, we looked a bit nervous in the first half and Berbatov had a really good chance to score, but just before half time we were getting on top and carried that into the second half.
Gutted at how they came back into it, and Gabby going off did mean we had less of an escape route but he's just back from injury and I didn't expect him to last the full 90.
Barry Bannan played really well, the ref, as usual against Man United, bottled some decisions, Hernandez had to be booked for kicking the ball away, Brown for the penalty I'd have to see again but if he's booking Ashley for going into the crowd he has to book Vidic, wouldn't have made much difference by that stage but refs just need to be consistent.
4th Official said Vidic wasn't booked as he was pushed into the crowd rather than went in on his own steam....or in other words "he's a man utd player you know, we have different rules for them"
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So very proud of every single one of them - proud history , bright future
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Not long back from the game. I said before that I thought we’d win and in reality that is exactly what we should have done- smashed a 9 man Man United 4 or 5.
I thought the first half was a bit of an even contest with only Dracula going close. An uneventful half against Man United isn’t such a bad thing mind.
Second half I thought Hogg played a lot further up the pitch and we were winning balls ten or twenty yards higher up the park. We had that 25 to 30 minute spell where we just battered them. Albrighton should have scored, Collins went so close, Gabby should have scored and obviously the goals.
I’m disappointed that we sat back and played to their reputation as I think if we’d have kept pressing at the same time as they were chasing it, then we’d have scored more.
Delighted to see Gabby back. He physically battered both Vidic and Ferdinand with his excellent hold up play and obviously we saw what he can do when he’s got the centre halves facing their own goal with regards to the penalty.
Bannan has calendar like vision, where he sees into next week, let alone the next few moves on the pitch. Him and Albrighton are such horrible shits off the ball as well. What a fantastic couple of players we’ve created there.
As for United, Brown got destroyed by Downing and its take your pick for the red cards. Brown should have walked for the penalty, Vidic should have walked for celebrating with their fans and got a second yellow. Henandez should have already been booked when he chopped down Warnock for kicking the ball away in the first half, while that useless no mark Nani should have walked for the elbow.
Well done to Hogg too, who after a shaky first 15 settled in nicely.
The middle of our park’s combined age is less than our goalkeepers.
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Dissapointing end but many positives and a performance to be proud of. Enjoyed watching them today.
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To be fair, we can blame the ref all day long, or we can agree he was wrong, but we slipped at the end and we were unlucky. The kids were brilliant and its coming, we will shut them arrogant cockney/preston/blackpool glory supporters
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They say kids will never win anything...
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I'm doubly gutted. I worked a nightshift last night so set my alarm for 14:30pm, totally forgetting it was a lunch time kick off >:(
Sounds like a missed a great performance for the most part.
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Great day of sport. Both our game and the rugby were excellent. And I was thinking we would lose both...
In a bizarre sort of way, I think it suited us to play Man Ure today. I think we might actually have struggled more to play so well with the kids against someone like Wigan or Bolton. Which is to take nothing away from them all...
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Great game, really proud of our performance today. I would have taken a draw at the start of the match so it shows how well we played that i'm dispointed we didn't win it.
Just watching Colins and Albrighton being interviewed after the match, they looked so pissed off, which contrary to Kevin Gage's aspersions, shows just how dispointed they are that they didn't win the game. Yes we need to work on not conceeding late goals, especially from the air, but there's plenty of hope for the future.
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
You obviously have the intelligence of a demented tree frog. Our youth team just outplayed Man Utd have a word with yourself.
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Just back and gradually moving from being absolutely gutted/feeling like a loss to being immensely proud of that performance. When I saw the line up I said I'd take a point there and then - thought our midfield would be too lightweight for Park, Fletcher, Nani and Carrick. How wrong could I be? Albrighton, Bannan and Downing were all superb. I felt Hogg was a bit out of his depth at times - bit hesitant with his passing - but he got stuck in and put in a good shift.
After we hit the bar and the post I thought it was just going to be one of those days when we'd miss our chances and Manure would nick it at the death. Then after our second went in with about 10 minutes plus Fergie time to go I really thought we'd hold on to win, but once they got their first you just knew we'd be under the cosh. Gabby going off was a blow - that last chance we had when Fonz could have slipped it to Ash or Banan but instead over-hit it to Lichaj (?) showed the difference.
Utd were lucky to end up with 11 on the pitch - Hernandez should have been booked earlier for kicking the ball away, and Vidic should have got a second yellow for going into the crowd. Didn't think it was a red for the penalty though.
All in all disappointed not to win in the end, but we've got some great kids coming through. Well done Sid
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Fucking spot on Villa. I left the house thinking we were going to get absolutely mullered looking at the line up, but we gave them hell. Even a manc mate just responded to my message of saying we hammered them "hands up yeah u did please dont tell anyone else :s" That'll do for me, well done kids!
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Great game, really proud of our performance today. I would have taken a draw at the start of the match so it shows how well we played that i'm dispointed we didn't win it.
Just watching Colins and Albrighton being interviewed after the match, they looked so pissed off, which contrary to Kevin Gage's aspersions, shows just how dispointed they are that they didn't win the game. Yes we need to work on not conceeding late goals, especially from the air, but there's plenty of hope for the future.
I think Collins had been crying, shows his commitment, and i also laughed at how far the camera went down to Albrighton's height ha! In all seriousness though i thought we were brilliant and think we can take great heart from this
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How on earth Vidic, Brown and Hernandez all saw the end of the game is beyond me. We should have put it beyond doubt, and I think with a few older and more experienced heads on the bench we would have done it today. Ce la vie. Feck off Mike Dean, never seen you have a good game and hope you are demoted to the rymans north farter 6th division where your decisions will still be wrong but you won't get the protection of 40 stewards. The man is a total disgrace to refing, and has a hideous style, favours the biggest clubs all the time and should have his pointy hand shoved up his pointy arse. Twat.
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I'd like Villa to question why neither Brown nor Vidic were sent off today. Not through the media, but quietly and quickly. We've been fucked over by bottler refs against these too many times.
Don't forget Nani's retaliation on Warnock and also an argument could be made for Hernandez getting a yellow for kicking the ball away after knowing he was offside.
It's annoying as we should only be congratulating our players on a pretty sublime performance but they continuously get away with murder against us. Yes, Hernandez should've gone too. They have better players so them getting the rub of the green as well is pretty hard to take.
I'm ok with Brown only getting a yellow, Ferdinand was going to get some kind of challenge in, so he wasn't the last man.
Vidic should have had a second yellow, just as Neville should have the other week against Stoke.
Correct me if I'm wrong, the law states "prevents a clear goal scoring opportunity" not "the last defending player". From where I was sitting Brown clearly prevented a goal scoring opportunity hence should go.
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I'd like Villa to question why neither Brown nor Vidic were sent off today. Not through the media, but quietly and quickly. We've been fucked over by bottler refs against these too many times.
Don't forget Nani's retaliation on Warnock and also an argument could be made for Hernandez getting a yellow for kicking the ball away after knowing he was offside.
It's annoying as we should only be congratulating our players on a pretty sublime performance but they continuously get away with murder against us. Yes, Hernandez should've gone too. They have better players so them getting the rub of the green as well is pretty hard to take.
I'm ok with Brown only getting a yellow, Ferdinand was going to get some kind of challenge in, so he wasn't the last man.
Vidic should have had a second yellow, just as Neville should have the other week against Stoke.
Correct me if I'm wrong, the law states "prevents a clear goal scoring opportunity" not "the last defending player". From where I was sitting Brown clearly prevented a goal scoring opportunity hence should go.
No, because as I said, Ferdinand was going to get some kind of tackle in - and in fact he did.
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Im convinced, from where I was, high up in the Holte that in the build up to their equaliser the ball went out of play off one of them but the linesman gave it their way? Have I imagined it or made a mistake as nobody seems to have mentioned it
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It was crucial that Downing and Ashley stepped up today because they are the players the youngsters will look to. I thought both were a bit quiet in the first half, and Ashley in particular, had a very poor start. But in the second half they were both terrific.
Albrighton was terrific all day though. I don't want to get carried away because so many young players have never fulfilled their early promise but for one so young he is remarkably consistent. Okay he sometimes takes the wrong option but that's about footballing nouse rather than ability, and he'll learn that as the games go by.
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Im convinced, from where I was, high up in the Holte that in the build up to their equaliser the ball went out of play off one of them but the linesman gave it their way? Have I imagined it or made a mistake as nobody seems to have mentioned it
I thought it should have been our throw too - one to watch for on MOTD
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No, because as I said, Ferdinand was going to get some kind of tackle in - and in fact he did.
Agreed - the Brown one was a definite pen but not a sending off. I can't fathom though why Nani wasn't sent off - he can only have been booked for use of the arm and that has to be sending off offence doesn't it?
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How on earth Vidic, Brown and Hernandez all saw the end of the game is beyond me. We should have put it beyond doubt, and I think with a few older and more experienced heads on the bench we would have done it today. Ce la vie. Feck off Mike Dean, never seen you have a good game and hope you are demoted to the rymans north farter 6th division where your decisions will still be wrong but you won't get the protection of 40 stewards. The man is a total disgrace to refing, and has a hideous style, favours the biggest clubs all the time and should have his pointy hand shoved up his pointy arse. Twat.
Don't forget about Nani. That elbow was touch and go red, and he also handballed that could easily have been a second yellow.
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Another entertaining game and excellent performance. Can't add much to what already has been said, but I think that Gordon Cowans deserves to be praised for doing such a good job bringing this new generation of players through. My heart sank a bit when I saw that Hogg was playing, not because of his ability but because of his lack of experience against the likes of Carrick and Park. Him and Bannan did a terrific job. I would have settled for a draw at 12:45 today.
Even though Manure aren't at their best, they were still able to bring on quality subs who can turn a game. We had players of the bench that we don't even have photos for the team line up! Hopefully some of the youngsters will use today's game as a learning experience i.e. how to cheat, how to almost rip another player's shirt off without committing a foul, etc.
We all know the history of manure at VP in recent years and it was refreshing to see our team leaving the pitch gutted that they had only drawn. This was a valuable match for the squad even if we didn't take 3 points.
Our second goal was great and as good a team goal as you'll see in a while. Albrighton is tying to win Goal of the Month on his own.
I defended Refs on another thread earlier this week but today's excuse was a disgrace. A complete, incompetent bottler who clearly thinks that deliberate handball is OK, shirt tugging is acceptable and only has to book every other player that decides to celebrate a goal with their fans. I can understand Refs making mistakes, but I just want them to be impartial and to be equally as shit to both teams.
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From RedCafe:
"Great dynamic match to watch. After a good start from us, where we dominated the midfield, the Villa youngsters found their feet and started causing problems. Respect for this. Impressed by Hogg, Bannan and Albrighton. Brown and Evra had a tought time with Albrighton and Downing. Poor showing from Berba and Hernandez, nothing seemed to work for them. Hat off to the team for not giving up and coming back to keep the unbeaten run."
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"Big point gained when we should've lost. Villa were brilliant, only when substitutes came on did we bother to do anything of note."
Mind you, there was also:
"Glad we won. that was some fight back."
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I'd like Villa to question why neither Brown nor Vidic were sent off today. Not through the media, but quietly and quickly. We've been fucked over by bottler refs against these too many times.
Don't forget Nani's retaliation on Warnock and also an argument could be made for Hernandez getting a yellow for kicking the ball away after knowing he was offside.
It's annoying as we should only be congratulating our players on a pretty sublime performance but they continuously get away with murder against us. Yes, Hernandez should've gone too. They have better players so them getting the rub of the green as well is pretty hard to take.
I'm ok with Brown only getting a yellow, Ferdinand was going to get some kind of challenge in, so he wasn't the last man.
Vidic should have had a second yellow, just as Neville should have the other week against Stoke.
Correct me if I'm wrong, the law states "prevents a clear goal scoring opportunity" not "the last defending player". From where I was sitting Brown clearly prevented a goal scoring opportunity hence should go.
No, because as I said, Ferdinand was going to get some kind of tackle in - and in fact he did.
Won't argue as I was in the lower north so not the best view, will have at a look at the replays on MOTD. Still feel like a great performance was marred by poor refereeing yet again.
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Oh, and another thing - what's the betting that on MOTD jug ears and his useless pundit chums will go on about how Manure had Scholes, Giggs and Rooney out but not mention that we were missing Heskey, Carew, Petrov, NRC, Delph, Sidwell, Ireland, Cuellar, Beye, Clark, Weimann.............
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That was absolutely fantastic and made me very proud of our youth.
Well done Villa.
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Im convinced, from where I was, high up in the Holte that in the build up to their equaliser the ball went out of play off one of them but the linesman gave it their way? Have I imagined it or made a mistake as nobody seems to have mentioned it
i don't know about that but within the first minute one of theirs hoofs the ball, it doesn't touch Warnock or Nani or jump for the ball and they gave Manure the throw in. (Admittedly it should have been a foul against Warnock but that isn't the point).
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Just listened to the Fergie interview. He said they could have lost six in the second half. Pity we sat back and played on their reputation, but there are huge positives that we can take from the game.
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I hear that, at the moment of orgasm, Blackcountry Villa shouts 'yer a disgrace!' at his own penis and calls for his testicles to be removed
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Im convinced, from where I was, high up in the Holte that in the build up to their equaliser the ball went out of play off one of them but the linesman gave it their way? Have I imagined it or made a mistake as nobody seems to have mentioned it
I noticed that too and initially thought it was our thought. We should of still closed down Nani better and someone should have been marking Vidic.
The "celebrating with your fans in a moment of joy after scoring a goal the being yellow carded" rule really needs to be scrapped. Neither Young or Vidic did anything wrong (even though Ash got a yellow card lolwut?), the thing that was wrong was those Glory Hunting cretins running onto the pitch once again when they got their second. Hopefully they get their allocation for next season cut again.
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I thought Warnock played better than he has in recent games. L Young looked tired in the last 15 minutes. Dunne made several mistakes, but none of them had immediate consequences. Downing was great, Albrighton and Bannan too. We just needed A Young and Agbonlahor to fizz a bit more (they were both ok though and of course Gabby is only just back). But so many more positives than negatives.
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I hear that, at the moment of orgasm, Blackcountry Villa shouts 'yer a disgrace!' at his own penis and calls for his testicles to be removed
He then sits back on his hand and waits five minutes to reload.
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Just got back from the villa really enjoyed that the kids outplayed united and all my united mates none from Manchester i hasten to add agreed.
Anyone see the incident with fletcher in the North Stand? It was just in front of me earlier one of our fans in the front row instead of giving fletcher the ball just placed it over the hoardings making fletcher come and get the ball shock.
When Vidic scored Fletcher made a beeline for the same fan giving him both fingers which incited a lot angry fans shoving forward
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Great stuff. Was expecting Bannan and Hogg to get mullered in midfield. Aside from dodgy marking for Vidic's goal there was little to be disappointed with. Especially with all those injuries.
Babbies did us proud. I remember someone saying that Hotlips was lucky at Liverpool to have the likes of Carragher, Gerrard and Owen coming through. If Bannan, Albrighton, Clark and others will fulfill their obvious potential then he will be lucky again.
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An excellent display from a lot of players too young to go to school last time we beat manu at Villa Park and against 12 men, the future of this team with all these young lads coming through is looking very very bright.
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I am really proud of us today, we were brilliant, Bannan is getting better n better every week.
We were really unlucky in the end, but the fact we didn't win doesn't actually bother me, it was Man United verses our youthful team and we matched them. Yes they had more possession, but we had more chances, more shots on and off and should all be really proud of everyone.
I think Marc, Barry, Stu, Ash and Gabby all deserve motm!
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Just listened to the Fergie interview. He said they could have lost six in the second half. Pity we sat back and played on their reputation, but there are huge positives that we can take from the game.
He was also very complimentary about Villa and Villa Park before the game on Sky, as he always is in fairness...
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A fantastic effort, esp Hogg, Bannan and Albrighton. The only worry for me is that if MA keeps performing like that it won't take long before the likes of Man City start waving money at him.
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well..... fuck!
No, really, fuck!
I entered the ground saying "I'd take a draw!" I left the ground saying "How the fuck did we only draw?"
Kids were brilliant. As were the full-backs. Yes, even Warnock! Centre-halves were shit, especially Collins.
How the fuck did we only draw that?
Fuck!
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Couldn't disagree more, thought Collins was excellent after a shaky start...
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Thought we were terrific. Of course we sat back far too deep in the last 10 mins but that was really the only negative. Gerard deserves huge credit, because for the first time since the West Ham game we had a great shape about us. Albrighton will be some player and thank god Gabby's back he was phenomenal today considering he's only half fit.
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In the past when we've played Man United at home, we've generally done alright for one half, then watched them move up a gear. Ultimately we end up with maybe a point, perhaps console ourselves we did a bit better than the year before, but always with a feeling that what we had seen was about as good as it was going to get from us.
The difference today was that was a team full of young kids - imagine what it must have felt like for Hogg, for example, even being on the same pitch as players like Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic, let alone for his first league start - and what we saw today just hints at much, much better to come.
A tight first half, which we shaded. A great second half showing, and we really deserved to take all three points.
I thought during the week I'd settle for a point. I thought when I saw the starting line up, I'd rip your arm off for a point. When we got a point, I was desperately disappointed.
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
Very harsh. I think they had a few more than 2 to deal with.
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All of the above.
After having travelled back and considered the game during my 2 hour journey, all I'd add is that we have to find a way of preventing these poor goals-against. Wednesday saw us concede two sloppy goals and the 2nd ManUre goal was also poor.
However, massive optimism from a great performance. Think how Delph alongside Bannan might look? - Bananaman was outstanding today. With Clark at CB and Delfouneso challenging Ash as the withdrawn striker, I think we have a bright future.
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every single one of the babies was a hero.
Real pity they didn't hold out.
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Thought we were terrific. Of course we sat back far too deep in the last 10 mins but that was really the only negative. Gerard deserves huge credit, because for the first time since the West Ham game we had a great shape about us. Albrighton will be some player and thank god Gabby's back he was phenomenal today considering he's only half fit.
Yes. SuperStewart and SuperMark were MOM, but Gabby was also outstanding, particularly for how he took the squad up fighting with Vidic. When he was substituted we went down, Delfouneso wasn't able neither to take the ball nor to defend, as he demonstrated with his poor opposition to Nani in occasion of their equalizer.
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
I've seen this guy post a few times, is he on a wind-up?! Posting on a website a few mins after the final whistle of our best performance slamming the team. He's obviously either borderline suicidal or not a Villa fan. We got too deep at 2-0 but we mullered them 2nd half and should have won
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
I've seen this guy post a few times, is he on a wind-up?! Posting on a website a few mins after the final whistle of our best performance slamming the team. He's obviously either borderline suicidal or not a Villa fan. We got too deep at 2-0 but we mullered them 2nd half and should have won
He's best ignored.
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I just feel privileged to have been at the match where the Villa crowd seemed to find itself after being strangely missing since the beginning of the season. I am doubly privileged because I took my young grandson, a Villa fan from the wilds of the Cotswolds, and I just know that he has stocked up his memory banks with pictures of his beloved team which will stay with him for the rest of his life.
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I just feel privileged to have been at the match where the Villa crowd seemed to find itself after being strangely missing since the beginning of the season. I am doubly privileged because I took my young grandson, a Villa fan from the wilds of the Cotswolds, and I just know that he has stocked up his memory banks with pictures of his beloved team which will stay with him for the rest of his life.
And a nice lad he is too.
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Excellent performance and deserved to win against one of the best teams in the world with something liked our 6th or 7th choice centre mid pairing.
Friedel 7 - didnt have much to do
Warnock 8.5 - has been getting a lot of stick lately on here but was brilliant today
Dunne 7
Collins 8
Young L 7.5
Albrighton 9 - Top class performance and skinned Evra, supposedly one of the best left backs in the world, on numerous occasions
Hogg 8 - Can't have been easy getting your PL debut against united but tackled really well and never stopped running. Few misplaced passes but was to be expected because of nerves.
Bannan 8 - Very creative and nice professional foul in the first half ;D
Downing 10 - Best player on the pitch and ran Wes Brown ragged. If his performance was by Gareth Bale then we would never hear the end of it.
Ash 8 - A lot better than in recent weeks, helped a lot by having Gabby back.
Gabby 8 - good hold up and nice assist for the penalty. Shame he could not finish when he hit the post but sharpness will come with time.
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Nani shoulda been off, for premeditated violent conduct. Brown off for the penalty. But hey, it IS Man Utd.
Brown should have had a yellow before the pen. Hernandez yellow for kicking ball away ist half, Vidic second yellow for celebration, 4 should have gone.
5 minutes added on cos they wern't winning. Someone commented that the minutes silence seemed a long minute - I reminded them ref was wearing his christmas present from Fergiescum!
BUT - having said that I'm very happy with today's performance. Gabby put himself about a bit and worried Vidic. Not bad as obvoiusly not yet fit. Kids in midfield did their jobs well. Old man Ashley did a good job keeoping an eye on them and giving them encouragement.
Last 3 league games against them - Us 5pts them 2pts - we are stopping them catching Chelski so they can't win the Premiership. Soon they will start to implode like the bindippers.
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I gave up my season ticket this year. Today was the first time I missed it.
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Quote from: adamski villa on November 12, 2010, 07:37:13 AM
I think they are there for the taking, we have been playing some fantastic football in recent games apart form stickin the ball in the onion bag
2-2 with Villa takin the lead twice and the red Sh!te bagging a 95th minute equaliser
So 2-2 is the result of them "being there for the taking" ... that's probably the most negative post on this thread!!
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Just watched fergie after game interview. Very complimentary about but said we never watered the pitch suited us, well I must be seeing things because I watched the pitched being watered.
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I gave up my season ticket this year. Today was the first time I missed it.
And against West Ham!
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Great game. Disappointed with the result but proud of the overall performance. They were the better team for the first ten minutes or so, then we came back in to it and eventually emerged the superior side overall. I also thought Brown should have been sent off for the penalty, as well as Vidic being booked for his celebration as was our Ashley. The throw-in that lead to their equaliser also looked like it should have been to us and not them. Bannan was my Man of the Match.
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Oh, and another thing - what's the betting that on MOTD jug ears and his useless pundit chums will go on about how Manure had Scholes, Giggs and Rooney out but not mention that we were missing Heskey, Carew, Petrov, NRC, Delph, Sidwell, Ireland, Cuellar, Beye, Clark, Weimann.............
This week was the first time for a while that I was really interested in how Villa would play, simply because so many of the regulars were missing....and reading this thread it seems having the "babes" playing has enthused quite a few others.
OK, shame it was a draw, but lots of positives to enjoy.
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Just got back. There are some games when I wonder why I bother, then there was today's.
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Happy & sad at the same time, I nearly cried when the equiliser went in. I had a feeling in the pit of my stomach when they scored the first.
I thought Bannan, Albrighton, Agbonlahor, Downing were exceptional. Dunne was the weak link today for me.
I thought Warnock was much improved today, they should have had a couple of men sent off and If gabby & Collins hadn't have hit the bar and post I think I would have been dancing in the streets still!
Lot of positives to take from the performance overall I think you gotta be happy. Shows how far your coming on when your gutted with a draw against the scum
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Seriously, loads of positives to take despite the bitter way it ended. If every team was forced to field their under 21's we'd win the league hands down.
Our 2nd goal was one of the most stunningly crafted counter attack team goals I've seen in recent memory.
Having the arm band has made Dunne up his game, this was the Dunney of last season playing today, that said I think it terms of commitment, passion and example it should be Collins, who outshone the affore mentioned Dunne, again.
Downing and Albrighton were class.
We should nail Down Albrighton to a long term deal now before the likes of city come sniffing this summer.
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The key today was our big names - Gabby, Young and Downing leading the youngsters by example. And they duly did. Especially Downing who was terrific.
You really need a 5 goal headstart against these feckers. They were outplayed for the second half, and after our near misses we fully deserved the penalty and the goal on the break. Ferguson said we hit the woodwork three times (I only saw two?) and that Albrighton missed two sitters (the header which he was unlucky with and..?). Them getting a goal back so quickly turned the game. Fantastic finish from Macheda (again, the smug-faced cock) but the back-heel that set him up took about 3 or 4 of our lads out of the game. A bit too much ball-watching.
I think Gezza has got the Fonz and Gabby subs wrong in the last two games. Nathan should have stayed on after scoring against Blackpool during the week and Gabby's experience in holding the ball up would have been better served than Nathan's greater fitness today. Unless Agbonlahor was bollocksed he should have stayed on. A real shame there was no Cuellar, Clark or even Davies to help us shore-up for the last ten minutes.
There was an inevitability about the equaliser, I was quite surprised they didn't get a winner in the ten minutes they had after (86-95 mins).
Ash running into the Holte and Villa players being buried amongst Villa fans was the happiest moment I've had as a Villa fan since MON left. And seeing the ecstacy on Albrighton's face when he got the second was great too.
I do wonder if we'll beat these feckers at home again during Dave Woodhall's lifetime though. If we could hold onto our leads we wouldn't be far off being the best team in the land.
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Thought Hogg bossed the midfield and was assured after some initial sloppy balls, not bad for his debut game against a top of the table team.
Good to have Gabby back. Downing and Albrighton were superb and both appear to be improving with every passing game. That second goal was fantastic and with hitting the woodwork twice and Albrighton's header we should have been well ahead which makes it even more gutting. With the nippers playing like that, injured players to come back and new additions to the team the future's looking good.
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Gabby had been signalling to the bench for about 3-4 minutes saying he needed to come off. 2nd goal a bit like the breakaways at the Emirates a couple of years ago
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Im convinced, from where I was, high up in the Holte that in the build up to their equaliser the ball went out of play off one of them but the linesman gave it their way? Have I imagined it or made a mistake as nobody seems to have mentioned it
I thought it should have been our throw too - one to watch for on MOTD
Sit in North Stand to the right as you look on the pitch. I saw nothing wrong with that decision.
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Yeah gabby was really struggling, it was the sensible thing to do, to take him off
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Blimey first post this season!
What a game. Unlucky not to be 3 or 4 up mid 2nd half. Remember looking at the info board and seeing how many shots we'd had compared to theirs (on and off target), massive difference.
They didnt get lucky they just kept playing and we were knackered. Dropped too deep when Gabby went off but hey with all the kids out we were the better team for long periods and that can only bode well for the future.
NRC, Sidwell, Petrov out injured and never missed. Never thought I'd say it but we could have done with Heskey for the last 15mins.
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When you're disappointed not beat Utd you know you have played well.
As others have said, there was an inevitability about their equaliser. Still, would have taken a draw before kick off. Well done lads.
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From the start of the second half until we went two up was the most I've enjoyed a home performance in a long time.
Delighted with the fearless performance of the youngsters and absolutely chuffed for Deano scoring his first home goal.
Good performances all round but very pleased with Gabby who looks better leading the line than playing off a big man, I thought he held the ball up very well and used it well.
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Great performance especially in the 2nd half----thought the young guns were superb,Bannan and Supa Marc awesome,
Gabby led the line superbly, maybe not fully fit but was a constant thorn to Vidic &Ferdinand, Ash constantly encouraged the youngsters,and he covered every blade of grass, for me Downing was exceptional & mom ----the celebration of both goals was great and showed how much it meant to the Boyz---it was really good to see,
Where did 5 minutes "fergy time" come from?--why werent Vidic &Brown given red cards, and why was,nt Hernandez booked for kickng the ball away????bias to them was imo obvious throughout the game, from all 4 officials!!
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Has Fergie made any patronising comments about us?
He probably said we deserved our point ;)
When I saw the team being announced on the big screen I feared a mauling but very proud od them today. They deserved a win 2-2 is so unfair.
Agree with all of you about Barry and Marc however Jon Hogg for me really made up for NRC in the centre. His passing is not quite there ( slightly batter than Nige's though) but hopefully that will improve. I think he will make it. :)
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One person who did not enjoy it, however, was United boss Sir Alex Ferguson.
"We could have lost six goals in the second half," he stated. "They hit the woodwork twice and their outside right, Marc Albrighton, has missed two great chances. We were all over the place, to be honest with you.
"We waited too long to get intensity, that desire to win, into our game. It didn't show until [the team was 2-0 down]... all their young players, with their energy, made it a very difficult day for us."
The Scot added: "We controlled the first half, and had a couple of good chances. But in the second half I just think it was carelessness on our part. Our passing was poor. Normally we can control the match. We didn't control it.
"We are a club though that never says there is no way back."
Ferguson brought off strikers Dimitar Berbatov and Javier Hernandez when making his double change but he admitted: "I could have taken any of 10 players off because we didn't perform well.
"We brought people on Macheda and Gabriel Obertan and they changed the game. There was a great life and adventure about them.
"Macheda scored a great goal and with another five minutes we would have won the game.
"We came back well but it was too late and we shouldn't have been in that position. I expected us to do better in terms of our play."
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Shame we didn't sell out... 2000 short of capacity today.
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He was quite respectful for once
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Double post
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Shame we didn't sell out... 2000 short of capacity today.
Was surprised to see that...very strange this fixture didn't sell out.
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Players ages today :
Friedel - 39
L.Young - 31
Warnock - 29
Dunne - 31
Collins - 27
Bannan - 21
Downing - 26
Hogg - 22
Albrighton - 20
A.Young - 25
Agbonlahor - 24
Used Subs
Delfonso - 19
Lichaj - 21
Herd - 21
Fantastic !
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I am proud of the lad's today they were a joy to watch brilliant.
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Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
With all due respect, what planet are you on? There is no way any of our players could be called 'bottlers' after that magnificent performance. Yes, the result was disappointing but the performance certainly was not. Our defence are most definitely not shit and looked very composed and assured for the vast majority of the match. Our whole team visibly grew in confidence as the game progressed. There were far more than 2 balls into the box for them to deal with.
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Hey, Hoggy, we've, got another injury, you're in for your first league start, don't worry, it's only Man United.
Fucking wonderful, for 30 minutes after half time our yoofs tore Manure a new arsehole, wonderful stuff. Okay so we didn't hold on, so what?
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Was watching the game on Sky with my Utd supporting next-door neighbour, and he was mightily relieved second half. We absolutely battered them second half, and a draw was a travesty. Well done to the young lads, I was hugely impressed.
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He was quite respectful for once
Over the years he's invariably been respectful towards us.
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It was a performance we can all be proud of. I must admit i was concerned when i saw the team sheets, and would have been happy with a draw before the game. The one fear i had, and i mentioned to a mate at half time, was i felt manure would finish the stronger, as i felt our younger players may tire a bit in the latter stages.
Im going to defend the ref here (not popular i know), he let the game flow, and contributed to a great game, especially in the 2nd half. The one critsicism i had was not booking hernandez in the 1st half for kicking the ball away, wether he would have made the challenge in the 2nd half is open to debate.
Brown was just a yellow as it wasnt an obvious goalscoring opportunity, and with the nani incident with Warnock, he would have to be convinced it was a deliberate elbow, which i doubt he could be from his viewing angle. I think his overall control was good, as there were a few flashpoints, but he handled them well.
All in all, a day to be proud of the team, and to look forward to a promising future!
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I was expecting the worse when I saw the side but they were fantastic. It's great to see Houllier having confidence in the youngsters as well. The second half was brilliant. The second goal was sublime. It shows what we can do when we get players forward.
I think Houllier realised after the Blues game that he was far too negative but today there were numbers filling the box which was great. Gabby made a big difference for us. If he was still on the pitch I'm not sure Vidic would have pushed on for their second.
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I am feeling the love for the Villa tonight. It is good
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We went with a couple of friends today - one who doesn't do football at all and one who hasn't been to Villa Park since she was a child. What a game for a first timer. We've made a convert! I feared the worst when I saw the line-up - and the bench - but how wrong can a girl be. I thought they were superb, especially in the second half. Shame we couldn't hang on for the 3 points but so proud to be a Villa fan tonight.
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I am feeling the love for the Villa tonight. It is good
Indeed. Let's enjoy it. Normal service will return in due course.
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I was really impressed with Hogg today.
I saw him in the away match at Vienna and thought the game pass him by entirely, but he was getting stuck in the whole 90 minutes today and did very well indeed.
A few misplaced passes from him, and it would have been easy for him to let his head drop, let it affect his game, but he didn't let it get to him and carried on getting stuck in.
Good stuff.
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Did their "fans" invade the pitch again?
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Did their "fans" invade the pitch again?
They tried but the stewards were ready for them.
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It's a fantastic problem to have - if indeed it is a problem - but, come January, we'll have Petrov, NRC, Delph, Hogg, Bannan, Ireland competing for the central midfield spots. Plus Ciaran Clark if he continues to play in that role.
I'd hate to see the likes of Hogg and (especially) Bannan relegated to the occasional first-team appearance. I wonder how Houllier will play it?
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It's a fantastic problem to have - if indeed it is a problem - but, come January, we'll have Petrov, NRC, Delph, Hogg, Bannan, Ireland competing for the central midfield spots. Plus Ciaran Clark if he continues to play in that role.
I'd hate to see the likes of Hogg and (especially) Bannan relegated to the occasional first-team appearance. I wonder how Houllier will play it?
I dunno how Houllier will play it, but I know exactly how MON would have done it.
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I'd hate to see the likes of Hogg and (especially) Bannan relegated to the occasional first-team appearance. I wonder how Houllier will play it?
Perhaps we might start rotating the squad. That will be a novelty.
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Extremely proud of the performance today. Just gutted we didn't get the 3 points we deserved. I thought the inexperience of the team would lead to defeat today and the lads can take great pride in their efforts.
The ref bottled some big decisions which could have made the game easier for us - how Hernandez wasn't booked for kicking the ball away in the first half is beyond belief. If that would have been a Villa player, he would have been booked without a doubt. You just knew that he would end up getting booked later in the game.
Good to see so many positive comments over Downing's performance today. I thought that we would start to see the best of him after getting a full pre-season training in this season and it's proving to be the case.
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The future's bright without a doubt ..................
Albrighton - Bannan - Clark have stepped up to the mark and shown
no fear and today it was Jonathan Hogg's turn and he didn't let us
down..........
Atmosphere in second half was electric and with performances like
this we will have more enjoyable days to come.............
Whilst disappointing we couldn't hold out for a deserved win there
was ample sign of there being a nucleus of a very good team
delevoping............
Would a performance like today have been on the cards with
some of our more senior but currently injured players ? I think not
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Some of the energy seemed to go out of the side when Gabby went off, even half fit he is dangerous, You can see what GH is doing, all the kids are going to be played at some time and by the end of the year he will know what they are capable of. The only negative for me was the Fonz, i just can't see him making it certainly not as a centre forward and hold up man. A huge well done to DOWNING to me he looked real class.
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Having Gabby back made a world of difference. He seemed to worry the crap out of them, especially second half. Was surprised at how good he looked considering his lay off.
The energy we had enabling us to pressure the ball made a world of difference I felt.
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It's a fantastic problem to have - if indeed it is a problem - but, come January, we'll have Petrov, NRC, Delph, Hogg, Bannan, Ireland competing for the central midfield spots. Plus Ciaran Clark if he continues to play in that role.
I'd hate to see the likes of Hogg and (especially) Bannan relegated to the occasional first-team appearance. I wonder how Houllier will play it?
I don't think they will be ignored because in some respects these players are GH's recruits in the absence of having a transfer window. If anything the players who are absent are now the ones on the outside looking in. They still have a part to play but for most of them they are the old guard.
ps. thanks for PM. I tried to send you a polite reply and you've blocked me which I thought was quite funny.
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I don't think they will be ignored because in some respects these players are GH's recruits in the absence of having a transfer window. If anything the players who are absent are now the ones on the outside looking in. They still have a part to play but for most of them they are the old guard.
ps. thanks for PM. I tried to send you a polite reply and you've blocked me which I thought was quite funny.
Have I? How did I do that? And more to the point, how do I undo it?
ETA - Fixed it. Quite why I'd only want to receive PMs from the Administrators on H&V is anyone's guess. ;)
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I don't think they will be ignored because in some respects these players are GH's recruits in the absence of having a transfer window. If anything the players who are absent are now the ones on the outside looking in. They still have a part to play but for most of them they are the old guard.
ps. thanks for PM. I tried to send you a polite reply and you've blocked me which I thought was quite funny.
Have I? How did I do that? And more to the point, how do I undo it?
no idea. It's probably in your profile I think. But I did want to say thanks all the same, and I appreciated your comments.
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Same as all the above but surely now after this performance we need a song for downing?He was unplayable today.Well done the kids!!!!!
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One Stewart Downing...
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I was really impressed with Hogg today.
For a young lad to be thrown into that game as his first league start, fantastic, never looked out of place.
How much less per week is he getting than Sidwell do you reckon?
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I was really impressed with Hogg today.
For a young lad to be thrown into that game as his first league start, fantastic, never looked out of place.
How much less per week is he getting than Sidwell do you reckon?
Excellent point.
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weak that one legion and leaves a sour taste after miln.......cant finish typing
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I was really impressed with Hogg today.
For a young lad to be thrown into that game as his first league start, fantastic, never looked out of place.
How much less per week is he getting than Sidwell do you reckon?
Just thinking about that makes me angry. He gave more today than numerous Sidwell performances combined. Also, I just love what Barry Bannan brings to our team right now.
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Really proud of the side today, Houllier deserves a lot of credit for having faith in the youngsters without bleating about the number of injuries.
I didn't enjoy the Burnley & Blues games but the last 3 have been very positive.
The midfield might be Bannan + 1 soon, be interesting who gets the job of playing alongside him.
Gabby made a big difference today, for all the injuries there might only be 1 place up for grabs.
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I'm still not sure I see Bannan as part of a midfield two in our current 4-2-3-1 though.
Would be very interesting to see him where Young is currently playing.
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I was really impressed with Hogg today.
For a young lad to be thrown into that game as his first league start, fantastic, never looked out of place.
How much less per week is he getting than Sidwell do you reckon?
Just thinking about that makes me angry. He gave more today than numerous Sidwell performances combined. Also, I just love what Barry Bannan brings to our team right now.
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I'm not angry. I'm chuffed. I was really impressed with Hogg today.
For a young lad to be thrown into that game as his first league start, fantastic, never looked out of place.
How much less per week is he getting than Sidwell do you reckon?
Excellent point.
I doubt I can articulate how much today made me happy. Yes, the happiness will soon evaporate, but guess what, I don't effing care.
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Also, I just love what Barry Bannan brings to our team right now.
I would hate to be a midfielder playing against Bannan, he continuously snaps around your ankles, he never gives up, he chases anything, and on top of that he has outrageous skill on the ball and can spot a pass better than almost anyone. That reverse pass to Downing in the first half was magnificent.
We have a cult hero I reckon.
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quite agree dave,am i the only one who is gutted that he a jock?
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I'm still not sure I see Bannan as part of a midfield two in our current 4-2-3-1 though.
Would be very interesting to see him where Young is currently playing.
playing him in a midfield 2 is a positive move, I think with his range of passes it suits him feeding the more advanced players. I think we will see the best of Ashley now his side kick is back up front.
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One Stewart Downing...
He was on fire today, superb performance.
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I only realised after the game that for the first time ever against them, I thought that the 5 minutes had been added for us to win it, instead of being added for them.
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It's a fantastic problem to have - if indeed it is a problem - but, come January, we'll have Petrov, NRC, Delph, Hogg, Bannan, Ireland competing for the central midfield spots. Plus Ciaran Clark if he continues to play in that role.
I'd hate to see the likes of Hogg and (especially) Bannan relegated to the occasional first-team appearance. I wonder how Houllier will play it?
He's shown already that he will pick those who are in form, irrespective of how much they cost or what age they are.
Before the game, I didn't think we had a prayer. But I have to say that for 30-35 mins we wiped the floor with them today. We could easily have been 5-0 in front before they scored. The whole team, 1 to 11 were immense, in Albrighton and in particular Bannan we have players who will be in our side for quite a few years. Gabby made a huge difference, held the ball & offered a constant threat which hasn't been there of late. Bannan has the talent and now the belief that he can play at this level & he will only get better. There will be days when they won't hit the levels they reached today, but today I'm proud to have watched these young lads & the experienced players defy the odds. I Haven't enjoyed a game like that (despite the result) since we beat Small Heath 5-1.
UPV
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The young lads did fine today-very promising for the future
its a shame we conceded 2 goals after creating enough chances to be 3 or 4 up
but it bodes well for the club to have these young players believing they can get in the team on merit
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It was a great, great performance 2nd half but ... it shows that no matter how well we play and who plays well for us, we are Villa, and it's in our blood to throw it away against ManUre. I'm just relieved we didn't lose.
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I'm watching it again right now on MOTD. Has anyone seen a team piss all over United so much?
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The victory would have been cathartic, and would have lightened the baggage of one win in thirty for this new generation of players. Still really proud of the kids today though, and delighted with the example shown by our more experienced players going forward such as Gabby, Ash, and Downing.
I can understand why Houllier wanted to bring the Fonz on at that stage, with Gabby returning from injury, and the Fonz needing some experience to become a realistic option in the long-run. Its easy to say with hindsight, but I don't think he is ready for the lone striker role yet though. I would have been more comfortable with Gabby holding the ball up in the last few minutes.
Downing is really looking the part this season, which has compensated for Ireland's relative no-show so far. It feels as tough we have pretty much consolidated over the last few years in terms of experience/ talent in this area of the squad; with Downing effectively a replacement for Barry, Ireland for Milner, and the emergence of Albrighton.
It seems to me that O'Neill's brand of relative success was unsustainable, buying a whole new defence each season, falling-out with his own signings etc. We were able to consolidate (arguably an achievement in itself) by spending a lot of money (sometimes almost indiscriminately), but ultimately not progress further - and I think he could see that he had taken us as far as he could. Hopefully Houllier can manage the development of these young players, and bring in some choice additions to actually take us forward.
Good post mate.
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Did I miss it on MOTD, or was there no showing of Nani's attack on Warnock?
Or any questions as to why Ashley was booked for celebrating, but Vidic was not?
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Watching it back and Bannan's pass first half was top class.
Uncomfortable watching the second half and seeing just how on top we were. If we couldn't beat them today at VP from that position I'm not sure we ever will. That was a pretty weak United line up compared to the sides they've put out in recent years. And even the players they did pick looked like they were just going through the motions.
It's also a concern that the opposition didn't get started again today until late, but when they did we couldn't cope. Stoke only turned up in the last 15 minutes, VDV said after the game at WHL that they (Tottenham) didn't turn up for the first 45 after their European exertions and United only got going with nine minutes to go. If teams are off colour for whatever reason and give us that kind of opening we really have to go for the throat. At the moment we're not good enough to only turn up for 9/15 or 45 minutes and get a result ourselves, so we can't afford to let other sides do that to us.
I hope that the likes of Albrighton, Bannan and even Hogg now feel like they belong at this level - if ever they doubted it. They still need to retain the hunger to improve but the former two in particular look like they could be big players for us (and hopefully no other club) for years to come.
If that's the case I can swallow today - just about. It might be the game that a few of them refer back to in a few years as a turning point in their careers. The true test of that will be the rest of this season and beyond. But more immediately we need to start putting a run of form together with preferably a few more wins than draws.
If we have circa 30 points on the board towards the end of December it sets us up nicely for the second half of the campaign. We can still have a good season. But we need to get motoring. Moral victories and encouraging performances are all well and good. Actual victories should always take priority though.
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Did I miss it on MOTD, or was there no showing of Nani's attack on Warnock?
Or any questions as to why Ashley was booked for celebrating, but Vidic was not?
Yes your right on both counts.
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Did I miss it on MOTD, or was there no showing of Nani's attack on Warnock?
Or any questions as to why Ashley was booked for celebrating, but Vidic was not?
Ashley jumped the boardings to get into the crowd, and although Vidic went over to the utd fans, it looked like he was also being pushed by the players behind him. It wasnt as blatent as Ash's. I can understand why Mike Dean didnt book him, and i dont have a problem with it tbh.
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What today's game showed is that we can't afford to lose Gabby again. We looked so much better with him up top.
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Bottlers - nothing else. Same old Villa - conceding late and throwing away 3 points.
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The trolling thing has been done and dusted mate.
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I'm drunk and I'm stoned and I shouldn't really be posting but I saw a passage of play today that was pure poetry the like of which I have not seen for a long time from a Villa team. It reminded me of the 5-1 game against Liverpool all those years ago.
In my heart, I knew Man Ure would come back because we could not sustain that intensity. But for once I did not care.
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The second half felt like one of those dreams you remember because it was just before you woke up. Your brain began to throw reality into the mix, but the sweetness was still there.
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I'm drunk and I'm stoned and I shouldn't really be posting but I saw a passage of play today that was pure poetry the like of which I have not seen for a long time from a Villa team. It reminded me of the 5-1 game against Liverpool all those years ago.
In my heart, I knew Man Ure would come back because we could not sustain that intensity. But for once I did not care.
Mate, you're totally on track.
I watched the game, then read the comments but didn't post earlier due to some of the negative posts and how gutted I felt. I have watched the game again and my heart is still swelling with pride with how our home grown players adapted themselves. I will give wraps to young Mr Hogg who would have found late he was playing, but his commitment and chasing, including one brilliant committed tackle was excellent. Who cares he gave the ball away a few times, he looked like he really wanted to be out there. That's what I like about Bannan, Albrighton, Clark etc, they will die for Villa. Also great to see Gabby back.
Forget NRC and Petrov getting fit, I'm too excited about seeing Delph, Gardner and Weimann getting fit.
This season is about bedding our brilliant youngsters, I truly believe if we keep these talented younsters together the future will be brilliant. Maz, the faith you have shown has been admirable, now it is starting to reap dividends.
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For a good deal of that game the Villa were a joy to watch. Fast, incisive, fearless and tactically astute.
I, for one am glad to see two fast forwards running on to clever through balls and utilising the speed we have - not trying to find a big lumbering CF, or two.
The "kids" of course were brilliant and a testament to our academy and reserve staff. Now the acid test is :
Will we do everything possible and keep these lads for the long term and use them as a nucleus for a new side? As Slur Alex did with his famous crop of Beckham etc.
I bloody hope this is the start of an established new team. Great stuff.
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I had written this season off before it even started. But now I reckon I was wrong.
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When you consider all of these players were unavailable today... it makes you pretty proud of how the youngsters are stepping up!
Curtis Davies
Ciaran Clark
Habib Beye
Carlos Cuéllar
Steve Sidwell
Stephen Ireland
Fabian Delph
Stilian Petrov
Nigel Reo-Coker
John Carew
Emile Heskey
Andreas Wiemann
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Another thing I enjoyed today was when Nani swithched wings after taking Warnock out with the elbow the first time he got the ball Luke Young took him out. Just wished he had done it a bit harder. >:(
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It's also a concern that the opposition didn't get started again today until late, but when they did we couldn't cope. Stoke only turned up in the last 15 minutes, VDV said after the game at WHL that they (Tottenham) didn't turn up for the first 45 after their European exertions and United only got going with nine minutes to go. If teams are off colour for whatever reason and give us that kind of opening we really have to go for the throat. At the moment we're not good enough to only turn up for 9/15 or 45 minutes and get a result ourselves, so we can't afford to let other sides do that to us.
That's a bit unfair - teams not ''turning up'' can be as much down to how well we perform as it is down to their not being at the races. Last season at Old Trafford was the last time that ''if we don't beat them now we never will'', and we did. Today we should have but our time will come again.
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I think bannan's performance deserves more recognition. He did all the harrying alongside Hogg that we needed playing that formation. But his passing, particularly quick balls out to the wing, was key to so many of our counter attacks. Gareth Barry used to do this a lot, but we'd lost our way and had started to score fewer counter attack goals. Delph is also able to do this
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I also heard a rumour dunne is injured. Anything to confirm this? Would need cuellar back sharpish. Hopefully NRC won't be too long either
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Shame we didn't sell out... 2000 short of capacity today.
Glory hunters not getting in the home seats - seeking out alternative "heroes to worship"?
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For me a brilliant game but the result was overshadowed by a complete inept performance by the officials.Still havnt seen the penalty decision but for me in real time it was a straight red. Their striker should have been booked for kicking the ball away, Nani should have had a red for an elbow. For their second im sure it was our throw and then when they score the ref doesnt show a yellow to the scorer for his celebration. Also to see their fans celebrating by spilling over onto the pitch and only seeing 2 or 3 led away really shows a double standards. Still a great performance and in Albraghton and Bannan we have 2 stars of the future.
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Bottlers - nothing else. Same old Villa - conceding late and throwing away 3 points.
"Quote from: Blackcountry Villa on November 13, 2010, 02:44:27 PM
Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
With all due respect, what planet are you on? There is no way any of our players could be called 'bottlers' after that magnificent performance. Yes, the result was disappointing but the performance certainly was not. Our defence are most definitely not shit and looked very composed and assured for the vast majority of the match. Our whole team visibly grew in confidence as the game progressed. There were far more than 2 balls into the box for them to deal with."
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Bottlers - nothing else. Same old Villa - conceding late and throwing away 3 points.
"Quote from: Blackcountry Villa on November 13, 2010, 02:44:27 PM
Bottlers. Our defence is shit and have no composure what so ever, 2 balls into the box and 2 goals.
With all due respect, what planet are you on? There is no way any of our players could be called 'bottlers' after that magnificent performance. Yes, the result was disappointing but the performance certainly was not. Our defence are most definitely not shit and looked very composed and assured for the vast majority of the match. Our whole team visibly grew in confidence as the game progressed. There were far more than 2 balls into the box for them to deal with."
It is hugely disappointing though that we were minutes away from 3 points against a team we just can'y beat, and we threw it away.
We played some great football - were the better team in fact, but we must get more clinical and (if you like) professional in finishing these games off with 3 points in the bag.
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Selected video highlights here (http://www.101greatgoals.com/video-manchester-united-rally-from-2-down-to-draw-at-aston-villa/72603/)
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Positives- James Collins, Bannan, Downing, Hogg, the return of Gabby, Ash scoring a pen, absolutely slaughtering them for the first time since God knows when (95 and our last home win against them probably)
Negatives- they are a bunch of lucky scumbag w**kers aren't they? But we knew that already. We do appear to have difficulty holding on to leads, lots of late goals being conceded. Also a minor gripe but on MOTD GH said something like "when they scored the first I knew they'd get a second". Now we were all thinking that I'm sure, and of course it proved to be true, but as the boss you don't admit it!
Apologies the negatives paragraph is larger than the positives as this doesn't reflect how I felt about the game, very proud of the lads yesterday. We'll have to beat them at Old Trafford again instead.
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For the middle 60 minutes of the match we were great, absolutely fantastic to watch. Full of bright ideas, good movement and the only thing that let it down that we didn't score 4 or 5. Gabby was brilliant, showed just what we had been missing, Vidic just couldn't cope with him. Of course it was disappointing not to take the 3 points but the performance was the important thing and every one of them played their part.
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I also heard a rumour dunne is injured. Anything to confirm this? Would need cuellar back sharpish. Hopefully NRC won't be too long either
As far as i'm aware he has an ongoing knee problem, I'm sure I read it on the OS as well Clark has a calf problem but the manager doesn't think its too serious
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If Blackpool had committed the same fouls as United yesterday, they would have finished the game with 8 men. The officials were an absolute disgrace yesterday.
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Excellent game and we played very well, how we've missed that Young/Gabby partnership.
Its very disappointing to be praying for the final whistle against a poor Utd side when all of our best players were at the very top of their game. Their superior strength really told out in the last ten minutes.
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2 or 3 older heads added to the squad in January and there's no reason why we can't get sixth again.
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Shame we didn't sell out... 2000 short of capacity today.
there is always those empty seats in the middle of the stand , there is loads of them. Surely we can start selling those seats. ..
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When you consider all of these players were unavailable today... it makes you pretty proud of how the youngsters are stepping up!
Curtis Davies
Ciaran Clark
Habib Beye
Carlos Cuéllar
Steve Sidwell
Stephen Ireland
Fabian Delph
Stilian Petrov
Nigel Reo-Coker
John Carew
Emile Heskey
Andreas Wiemann
other than the odd few thats a proper MON team there and theVilla team yesterday would have spanked them...
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there is always those empty seats in the middle of the stand , there is loads of them. Surely we can start selling those seats. ..
Trinity Road?
Those are the corporate seats, we do sell them at vastly inflated prices to businesses and rich people!
You get a balti pie and a warm bottle of Fosters thrown in though.
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When you consider all of these players were unavailable today... it makes you pretty proud of how the youngsters are stepping up!
Curtis Davies
Ciaran Clark
Habib Beye
Carlos Cuéllar
Steve Sidwell
Stephen Ireland
Fabian Delph
Stilian Petrov
Nigel Reo-Coker
John Carew
Emile Heskey
Andreas Wiemann
Worried now... effect on team when this lot return?
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When you consider all of these players were unavailable today... it makes you pretty proud of how the youngsters are stepping up!
Curtis Davies
Ciaran Clark
Habib Beye
Carlos Cuéllar
Steve Sidwell
Stephen Ireland
Fabian Delph
Stilian Petrov
Nigel Reo-Coker
John Carew
Emile Heskey
Andreas Wiemann
Worried now... effect on team when this lot return?
We'll have a hell of a good subs bench.
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Fergie moaning about us on teamtalk
Ferguson was full of praise for Villa, although he was unhappy that some of their tackles were allowed to go unpunished by Mike Dean.
He said: "You've got to give credit to Villa for their battling qualities. They were enthusiastic and made it a very difficult day for us.
"They were playing at a high level of emotion and deserved the result.
"They tackled everything. A lot of the tackles were unfair but the referee allowed them to go."
He even went on to say with another 5 minutes we could have won the game, god knows where the 5 minutes were from in the first place.
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A lot of the tackles were unfair but the referee allowed them to go."
What a load of bollox.
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Just wanted to echo what most have written on this thread.
Villa were outstanding yesterday especially 2nd half. I really feared for us going into this game however we were so unlucky not to get all 3points.
Albrighton was again outstanding. Bannan is getting better every game. 2up with 10mins left and not winning left me feeling gutted but I'm very proud of the performance of the young lads in midfield.
These young players have been banging on the door of the 1st team for a while but O'Neills stubbon/ignorant policy of playing the same 11 week after week stunted their progress.
I only hope that Houllier sticks with these young lads past the January window.
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FWIW my views.
Joy to watch at times yday.If Evra is the best LB in the world then Albrighton is the best right winger in the world, he caused him so many problems yday.
Downing is looking the part now, fantastic crossing, and really unlucky he did'nt score.
Gabby is essential to us.Not fully fit, but his power and pace is essential to us.
Hogg and Bannan.Very impressed by both and pleasantly surprised by both.Both seem comfortable at this level.Bannan in partic always finds time and picks a pass.The reason why our game was so free flowing yday was because of the quality of the distribution from these two.
Ashley...needs to score more if playing in this role, needs to provide better quality passes.His ball, and support for the 1st goal was what he should be doing all the time.
Defence, generally ok today, did'nt read the lay off for their 1st goal, and LYoungs lack of pace off the mark allowed the cross to come in for their 2nd.Nani did'nt get anything out of Warnock but terrorized LYoung.
Overall, against a Ure team who without Rooney is distinctively average, but who will probably finish 2nd, we probably when 2-0 up should go onto win.A Viera kind of player or a fit NRC in the centre of midfield, probably would have been enough to carry us through, but its hard to be negative.Before the game, i would have taken a point.....bring on BBurn.
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Terrific, we nearly beat Manchester U-bloody-nited with our youth team. Nothing but positives, and the players who made mistakes were the veterans rather than the youngsters - and even then, it's Man Utd, you sort of expect to concede the second once they get the first.
A word about Bannan - some exceptional play yesterday against one of Europe's most vaunted midfields, sometimes doing it all by himself. The through-ball for Downing was particularly Xavi-esque. He keeps this up and he'll save us £20m on a creative midfielder.
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I had written this season off before it even started. But now I reckon I was wrong.
To be honest I'd be happy for this season to be a "write off" if it meant that we could get all the youngsters ready for a proper season next year. No offence to the players, but I don't think I ever want to see the likes of Sidwell and Petrov in a Villa shirt again.
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The youth yday suggested that Carew , NRC, Heskey, Cuellar and Beye could be added to that list.
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I had written this season off before it even started. But now I reckon I was wrong.
To be honest I'd be happy for this season to be a "write off" if it meant that we could get all the youngsters ready for a proper season next year. No offence to the players, but I don't think I ever want to see the likes of Sidwell and Petrov in a Villa shirt again.
I don't know about Petrov, but Sidwell, Davies and Beye don't do anything for me. I still think the others used properly have something to offer this season. Next season though it would nice to start fresh with a squad of vibrant young players tearing the opposition a new hole week after week.
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Some views from a Man United forum
RedCafe (http://www.redcafe.net/f7/aston-villa-313850/)
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I agree Monty........Bannan really impressed me yday, and surprised me as well.
I was worried that his stature would hold him back, but he showed yday he has ALL the qualities to be a top quality player.He ALWAYS looks for a pass, and generally finds a good one.Always causes the opposition problems with his passes, and it was his quality pass to AYoung yday that led to our 2nd goal.
More importantly, i really enjoy watching Bannan.
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Some views from a Man United forum
RedCafe (http://www.redcafe.net/f7/aston-villa-313850/)
Some of them make some really good points that are nice to hear, but some of them are just fucking idiots.
Especially the one complaining that 'Bannan was kicking Hernandez out of the game', I don't know what match he was watching.
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Some views from a Man United forum
RedCafe (http://www.redcafe.net/f7/aston-villa-313850/)
"Bannan is a dirty c***" ??"
Nice to see he has upset the Gloryhunters - total nonsense to call him dirty - too skillful and committed to be dirty.
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Overheard a conversation between football fans in a café this morning. Apparently Aston Villa, in the process of outplaying United, played the most beautiful football of the season so far yesterday.
Made my day to hear that!
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That GlastonSpur gets around a bit, 4k posts on a Man Utd forum and a regular on VT as well.
I met a Utd fan last night at a 'do', whilst seeming a thoroughly decent bloke he said 'Fair play to Villa, any team that gets two against United has done very well' which for some reason pissed me off no end, I'd have preferred if he took the piss about us throwing the win away.
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Some views from a Man United forum
RedCafe (http://www.redcafe.net/f7/aston-villa-313850/)
"Bannan is a dirty c***" ??"
Nice to see he has upset the Gloryhunters - total nonsense to call him dirty - too skillful and committed to be dirty.
Then what does that make Paul Scholes?
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Some views from a Man United forum
RedCafe (http://www.redcafe.net/f7/aston-villa-313850/)
"Bannan is a dirty c***" ??"
Nice to see he has upset the Gloryhunters - total nonsense to call him dirty - too skillful and committed to be dirty.
Then what does that make Paul Scholes?
Quite. I was thinking last night about some of the comparisons on here that people had made with Bannan to Scholes - and I thought that is a major part of Scholes game, which Bannan certainly doesn't show.
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Some views from a Man United forum
RedCafe (http://www.redcafe.net/f7/aston-villa-313850/)
"Bannan is a dirty c***" ??"
Nice to see he has upset the Gloryhunters - total nonsense to call him dirty - too skillful and committed to be dirty.
Then what does that make Paul Scholes?
That would make Scholes a serial killer, turd fondler and mandrill fellator. And don't even mention that demented Scandinavian pixie aka the baby faced assassin.
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Some views from a Man United forum
RedCafe (http://www.redcafe.net/f7/aston-villa-313850/)
So they have a thread just on us..Great and this one could have been posted bu one of us:
"Villa have, and have had for several years now, a top notch defense, a load of exciting young attacking players, and living embodiments of mediocrity in CM. Barry, Milner and Petrov are all as precisely average as a CM could ever hope to be, the fact that they've lost two of those are still the exact same team says it all. The supporting cast (Sidwell, Reo-Coker and Delph) are all as close to being poor as you can be without actually being so. Ireland is an emphatic question mark.
Houllier, for the love of god, sign some proper holding midfielders. "
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One man u fan says w have a nice young squad, then another despots that naming all our oldest players which only 3 were playing yesturday. Pathetic
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Have a read of their Match thread on Red Cafe. Sometimes I think I talk complete bollocks about football, and then I read something like this...
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Some views from a Man United forum
RedCafe (http://www.redcafe.net/f7/aston-villa-313850/)
So they have a thread just on us..Great and this one could have been posted bu one of us:
"Villa have, and have had for several years now, a top notch defense, a load of exciting young attacking players, and living embodiments of mediocrity in CM. Barry, Milner and Petrov are all as precisely average as a CM could ever hope to be, the fact that they've lost two of those are still the exact same team says it all. The supporting cast (Sidwell, Reo-Coker and Delph) are all as close to being poor as you can be without actually being so. Ireland is an emphatic question mark.
Houllier, for the love of god, sign some proper holding midfielders. "
Hard to include Delph. We haven't seen a lot of him ourselves and he had a good 50 odd mins against ManU in the home game last season. I'm guessing they are saying that as he is ex leeds.
I liked the one who said when you see Barry Bannan all you see is Barry Banana. Not just us then. But the one who said he was dirty was strange. Apart from the one trip I didn't see any dirtyness. maybe he was seeing Nani and thought he was our player. The guy couldn't even get his location quote right either
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Watching the highlights back again and you realise how well Bannan and Albrighton played. Bannan did all the things that you'd expect a Barcelona young star to do and more: the creativity, the intelligence, the calmness and willingness to play under both mental and physical pressure - it was all there. Albrighton made one of the best left-backs in the world look like a part-timer at times, and both of their performances defensively were top class. So incredibly exciting to have them coming through.
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Garth Crooks has Evra as the left back in his team of the week on the Beeb and does not include any Villa players, this is proof, if anymore were needed, that the bloke is a fucking cretin.
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Before the game, with our central midfield pairing having the grand total of 1 league start between them, I feared the worst. Bannan and, to a lesser extent, Hogg completely outshone the experienced internationals Fletcher and Carrick. Interestingly, of the 18 players in the squad yesterday 11 have come through the Villa academy system.
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Yesterday's game must be divided into two parts imo, before Delfouneso (BD) and after Delfouneso (AD)
BD we were asphalting Manu and deserved to win 3-0.
AD we have been overwhelmed, Nathan wasn't able either to hold the squad high, either to defend (poor opposition on Nani's cross) and to engage Vidic (who scored the goal).
Awful.
But apart from Dunne all the lads had a great game yesterday.
My ratings:
Friedel 7
Young 6
Dunne 4,5
Collins 6,5
Warnock 7
Albrighton 7,5
Bannan 7
Hogg 6
Downing 7,5
A. Young 6,5
Agbonlagor 7
(Delfouneso) 3
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A bit harsh on Dunne there Archie imo.
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Nope, Dunne was off the pace again, completely missed his kick that could have led to a goal and looked shaky all through the first half, much better in the second though. Harsh on Downing, he was magnificent.
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Garth Crooks has Evra as the left back in his team of the week on the Beeb and does not include any Villa players, this is proof, if anymore were needed, that the bloke is a fucking cretin.
There is nothing worse than washing sieves, with the possible exception of being Garth Crooks, there is nothing worse than washing sieves.
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Harsh on Downing, he was magnificent.
Yes, I meant 7,5 not 6,5. . .
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So proud of the team yesterday.
Shame we couldn't hang on for the last ten minutes but we lack experience and the fantastic outlet upfront Gabby gives us, good to have him back.
On the ref, I was quite pleased with Brown only getting a yellow as he was completely hopeless trying to contain Downing all game so I think it helped us he stayed on to concede the second. I couldn't believe hernandez wasn't booked for twatting the ball into the Holte end, terrible reffing.
And Law 78.1 states Vidic can't be sent off against us, even if he murders one of our players!
I've said before, I don't expect any consistant form until the second half of the season. I get the feeling we're going to have a very good end to the season.
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The young fella's put in a good shift..nice wing play,speedy attacks from midfield..but we still can't defend a lead,can't be the managers fault every time..what does he have to do ..bring on players who will defend the 18 yard line for their lives...the vidic goal came from lazy defending mainly by the Fonz..who then left l. young chasing shadows...also vidic was left to wonder into the 6 yard box..warnock should have been standing on his toes.All said 4/6 pts from 2 home games ain't bad..plenty of energy in these young fella's ,maybe keep playing them as unit of 4/5 players.Bannan and Albrighton seem to operate on the same wave length.
Great to see THE BLUEBOTTLES nick a draw at Eastlands and then fall into the bottom 3...Classic.
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BTW to those who were there: did I hear ( via tele) Holte singing: "Same old cockneys always cheating". If so bloody briliant. If not what was it?
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BTW to those who were there: did I hear ( via tele) Holte singing: "Same old cockneys always cheating". If so bloody briliant. If not what was it?
Yes we sing that most games v Manure
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Thanks Flybo. I spilled my tea when I heard that. It has been a LONG time since I was abusing away fans from the Holte.
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This debate about Gabby going off and the effect on the game.
I have watched it again and it was a turning point but I can't decide whether that is because they feared him, his pace I mean and therefore had to hold players back in case of a break. OR we simply changed our tactics and stood back -again- inviting them forward. I think the latter.
I wish we wouldn't do that. It reminds me of pre Mon, when we kept losing points in the last minutes of games.
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"You wont win anything with kids" Famous quote following a the same fixture a number of years back. Roles now reversed, and I feel very proud. Disappointed that match reports seem to make more of United playing badly than us well, I think our performance dictated that. Great entertainment. Our one miss was Heskey. Him on for Ag may well have made the difference. Disappointed with the Fonz, always where the ball is not, he seems to have no pace, and just jogs around. Otherwise great performances. Unsung hero for me was Warnock, some great clattering tackles from him.
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Cannot remember a game, especially 30 mins of 2nd half that i have been so engrossed, so exfcited watching - and that includes and dubbings given to the Blues
IN fact i hate these vermin more than the Blues.
I can only give them all a 8/10
apart from Gabby / Bannan / Downing and Supermarc - they all get a 10
IN fact if it was me it would be of all the returning players which one partners Bannan - not since Sid have i seen a range of passing and intelligence in a CM
Absolutely love him
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the referee was a disgrace, yet again, and bottled the big decisions in favour of united... not the first time, and certainly wont be the last... im not talking about pathetic little pushes and silly little blocks or slighty late challenges that both teams made throughout the 98 odd minutes, that predictably, i knew would be brought up by united fans trying to defend the indefensible... i am talking about big, game changing decisions like sending off a player for denying a goalscoring opportunity... not "last man back" as that rule is just as imaginary as some of the offences that man utd fans are whinging about and trying to compare witha forearm smash into someones face... like looking at a player 3 times because you are irritated for not getting a decison 2 mins earlier and then smashing your forearm into the face of an opponent... or even the simpler things like having the same rules for both teams and giving the same punishment for the same offence... pushed, my arse... but tbh, its not even vidics fault, as if the ref had done his job properly in the first place, then nani cannot put the ball into the box from the dressing room...
from a few games between us recently, i could give 5 or 6 huge decisions that have changed the game in favour of utd... 3 in saturdays, 1 in the cup final, 2 ridiculous offside decisions that my dementia suffering nan would have given correct in the 3-2 game, one in particular when agbonlahor was absolutely clean through at 2-1...
but that is just par for the course in football these days... its evidently not hard enough for first choice teams to have to beat the premier league / fa / media favourites, so we have to do it against 12 men instead... that isnt going to change anytime soon...
in fairness, i fully acknowledge that manchester united werent playing well... just as we played very well... we obviously had something to do with that in terms of closing down and pressuring them, but i am not naive enough to think that we just outplayed them because we have better players...
however, our young players did brilliantly...
hogg was a little off with his passing, and some of his movement was not too disciplined on occasions, but that is being extremely harsh in terms of his overall contribution... he broke up play, and did the simple things that are needed from the holding player... when you dont really need to comment on the negatives of a holding player, then you know he has done his job reasonably well... thought he could have closed down fletcher better for the backheel for machedas lovely finish though...
bannon was simply superb... his movement, his work rate, and his eye for a pass and forward thinking play was just a joy to see... not seen play like that from a creative central villa midfielder since the likes of merson, carbone, and in glimpses, berger... his attitude and work rate are just phenominal, and i am absolutely delighted that he is making me eat my words about his size being a concern... i am always over the moon when proven wrong and it benefits the villa... top performance from really good little player...
albrighton was pick of the pair though... "deano" was the best player on the pitch by a country mile... evra really didnt know what to do with him, and that for me was down to his superb movement... he went wide, he cut in, he crossed from deep, he was always moving and working... one thing that i really like about the kid, apart from his wonderful crossing, is that he isnt afraid to get into a goalscoring area when the winger on the opposite flank has the ball... a lot of wingers will just stay out wide, and not get involved... thats what makes him stand out for me, is his excellent movement... yes, his defensive game is a little erratic, but at least he works hard and tries to help out... really happy for the lad to get his dream first goal in front of the holte end too, as i know how much it means to him...
overall, we were excellent and as ferguson said, we could have been 4, 5, or even 6 up before their comeback... i did find his comment about "definately winning the game with an extra 5 minutes" though... you had 5 mins extra, and couldnt win, you silly whiskey nosed old man... fair play though, he did give us the credit our extremely depleted side deserved though, and he is not exactly know for being gracious...
still a little concerned by some of our defending, and the fact that we continue to concede late in games, but i am just hoping that once they get used to houlliers new training methods, that fitness will improve and we can hold out more often...
but, despite dropping points, i couldnt have been happier with some of the performances on saturday, and if someone had told me before the game that the side we put out would be robbed of three points to only get one, i would have laughed at them...
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'pablopicasso_10' makes some very good points and I couldn't disagree at all.
I would like to recommend three players as 'MOTM' - Bannan, Albrighton and Downing.
I was really proud of the team today even if we had lost the match because that is the best we have played against Manure for a very long time. Yes we should've won but we have some very promising players coming through now and the future is still looking bright.
The irony is if we had a full strength team out we may have lost the game.
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Good game and performance, shame about the fightback :(
I enjoyed watching Barry Bannan as I kept a special eye on him and he is brilliant. I think he is my favourite player in today squad.
Hope Gerald know which players he need to allow us to grow from a promising team to a dominating team to win trophies and be a dynasty. I hope he will get us a 30 goals season striker from somewhere and lead the line on his own.
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quite agree dave,am i the only one who is gutted that he a jock?
As a Scotsman, I am certainly not "gutted that he a jock".
Its about time we had a Scot playing for the Villa again.
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Who needs Barry when you've got Barry Bannan?