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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on September 27, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
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0-2 Away win.
Collins 23
Young (A.) 58
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Can't see that.
I think it'll be tough.
0-0
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4-4
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Bugger. Adding the picture makes no difference to the thumbnail options on our Facebook page.
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I cant see either team managing to keep a clean sheet.
2-2
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Delete the post from Facebook then repost it from here. You will get the image.
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Delete the post from Facebook then repost it from here. You will get the image.
I did. It didn't work.
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I can see us losing this one. 3-1 Spurs.
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Good lad Leeg.
Was dreading this run of games a few weeks ago, Wolves away, Tottenham away, Chelsea home, Sunderland away, B-lose home.
Funny what a good result and an encouraging performance (in parts) can do.
Even with the New Manager bounce that normally comes about, If Spurs were fielding a full strength side a home win would have been the most likely outcome. But no Defoe, Modric, Dawson + so soon after a CL game that will (hopefully sap their focus and concentration = we're probably facing them at the best possible time.
I reckon 'arry had MON's number, he'd worked us out to such an extent that even with a few injuries he would have picked a side capable of bossing the game.
But I reckon we can go there and win. They've turned in some horrible performances this year, losing a few and drawing the others. If they play that way against us we've got the players to hurt them.
Plus, you'd like to think they will try to take the game to us and we're generally better when the opposition do that.
1-2 Villa
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I'd like to see the same team that beat the Dogheads with the exception of Ireland instead of Petrov. I'm sorry, but for how much longer can Petrov keep getting away with not being dropped after consistently under-performing? He's offering nothing at the moment, time for Ireland to start playing.
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I'd agree with you to a point on Petrov but I think it would be too open if we played Ireland in his place. It's a shame we don't have another naturally deep lying midfielder who is good.
I've not mentioned it before but I really, really dislike Spurs and natural conservatism and the fear of jinxing us by predicting a win means I think we will lose 2-0.
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1-1 Ash for us
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Spurs 0 Villa 4 Heskey(3), Ashley Young.
That would make Harry most happiest man in the stadium.
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1-1
Aggy and One of their strikers to score I 'spose.
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1-1
Cueller
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1-1
Aggy and One of their strikers to score I 'spose.
I'd love Gabby to score, he needs a goal.
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After our last two games, I think the players must be going into it with a lot of confidence. Spurs have the better players, but you never know.
I'm certainly more confident about getting a result.
Can Heskey carry on playing like a man possessed?
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Heskey to score.
Hoping the midweek Euro game takes it out of Spurs, but not too sure given they've got that, and then our game, on their own patch.
I'll take a draw right now.
1-1 Ivanhoe, and Spurs to annoy with a late equaliser.
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No Defoe, hardly any central defenders fit, on the back of a tough European game midweek; I reckon we'll have these. We always used to do alright at Spurs so it's about time we won there again.
0-2 (Young, Downing)
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I fancy us with them playing a big game on Wednesday night. Also, Dawson is a big loss - they all rave about Ledley King, but Dawson was their main man last year.
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Draw would be a good result here. I struggle to see us keeping a clean sheet, which you normally need at WHL to win (they only ever seem to lose league sgames 1-0 at home).
I agree Petrov looks knackered, but Ireland and NRC is too lightweight I feel, so we don't have a huge amount of choice I feel.
I don't see the case for Collins playing in centre midfield, I don't think he is mobile enough. Cuellar has to play.
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Time for Sidwell to step up
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Then fall off.
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0-3. Collins 4, Agbonlahor 69, Heskey 89.
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As usual whenever there tends to be mostly positive predictions on a pre match thread, the opposite usually happens (see Stoke!)
I'd be very happy with a point from this fixture despite all Spurs's injuries and them playing on wedneday night.
Main thing for me is we need to keep the ball much better than in the away games at Stoke and Wolves in the second half.
If we don't then the likes of Bale, Modric and VDV will hurt us big time.
2-1 Spurs.
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A draw would be a great result I think. They will want to bounce back after losing to the hammers.
A tight 1-1 draw with Downing on the mark for us again.
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2-0 Spuds.
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Interesting to see the Guardian chalkboards. According to that, Petrov didn't give the ball away once . .
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Interesting to see the Guardian chalkboards. According to that, Petrov didn't give the ball away once . .
They must be wrong. I distinctly remember him running into one of their players and losing the ball.
It might be that every time he passed the ball it went to a Villa player, but he definitely gave it away at least once.
And (saying this as a big fan of Petrov) he can't have seen the ball more than half a dozen times in the second half to be able to give it away.
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They'll exploit our inability to keep hold of the ball and we'll be soundly beaten, two or three nil.
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Gallas is out as well. King got injured in training, Bassong is the only fit CB they've got. n the back of a Champions league match I fancy us to snatch it 2-1.
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They'll exploit our inability to keep hold of the ball and we'll be soundly beaten, two or three nil.
It has been encouraging to see how much progress was made under GH already, surely by the Spurs game he will have been in charge a little longer and so even more progress will have been made? Maybe the GH honeymoon period will continue with a good result against a Spurs side underperforming?
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Fancy us after there mid week game and injury problems think we will be well up for it Spurs 0 Villa 1 Gabby ........
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As i'm on a hot streak of one perfect prediction, i'm going to go with another 2-1 win.
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I'll be happy with a point but we could leave WHL with all 3pts due to their injury problems with the back 4.
Defoe will be out (?) so they'll be looking to hit Crouch in the air, and LYoung/Warnock will have their work cut out trying to keep Bale/Lennon quiet.
Could be a very open end to end game. 2-2 or Villa to edge it 3-2.
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As usual whenever there tends to be mostly positive predictions on a pre match thread, the opposite usually happens (see Stoke!)
I'd be very happy with a point from this fixture despite all Spurs's injuries and them playing on wedneday night.
Main thing for me is we need to keep the ball much better than in the away games at Stoke and Wolves in the second half.
If we don't then the likes of Bale, Modric and VDV will hurt us big time.
2-1 Spurs.
This is about where I am on this one...
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2-2 draw and the unbeaten run continues.
Ash & Heskey for us.
Pavlyuchenko (2) for them.
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By rights on the basis we have a new lethal machine up front we should be too strong for Bassong and Charlie Chalk.
Would take a point though.
With Petrov gone and Sidwell worse what about Hogg?
Did ok in Vienna and looked the type of player we are missing, just lacking some games/experience.
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New manager, new coaches, new methods, confidence high, players hitting form, new training methods vs huge injury problems, coming off a midweek game, looking distinctly 'meh'.
If we can't beat this lot 3-0 there's something wrong.
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Houliier knows what he is doing so will not drop Petrov. We're still in a transition period so it is difficult to be confident and I'd be more than happy with a draw.
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Draw I (optimistically) think.
Gezza started on Monday 20/9 and immediately had a midweek match to prepare for and then one on Sunday. So this will be his first 'free' week where he can work on general stuff he wants to bring in in ernest before starting to get them ready for a match later in the week. As such I would expect his tactical tweaks to have more effect and see us keep possession better, which will be useful away at Spurs.
I think three wins on the bounce is unlikely, hence my predicting a draw. 1-1 with Ash getting ours.
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Draw I (optimistically) think.
Gezza started on Monday 20/9 and immediately had a midweek match to prepare for and then one on Sunday. So this will be his first 'free' week where he can work on general stuff he wants to bring in in ernest before starting to get them ready for a match later in the week. As such I would expect his tactical tweaks to have more effect and see us keep possession better, which will be useful away at Spurs.
I think three wins on the bounce is unlikely, hence my predicting a draw. 1-1 with Ash getting ours.
I agree this week has to revolve around keeping possession in light of the teams we are facing over the next few games.
I think we can sneak a win against Spuds but only if we retain the ball better because if we have it they cannot score. Pretty simple really?
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I also think lack of defenders and the midweek match will work in our favour, 3-1 Villa win, Heskey, NRC and Gabby for us. If anybody happens to be in mid Cornwall the match will be on live in The Western, St Austell.
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Tough one this.
I will be happy with a draw, but think it will be a win for Spurz.
1-2 Spurz.
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Interesting to see the Guardian chalkboards. According to that, Petrov didn't give the ball away once . .
They must be wrong. I distinctly remember him running into one of their players and losing the ball.
It might be that every time he passed the ball it went to a Villa player, but he definitely gave it away at least once.
And (saying this as a big fan of Petrov) he can't have seen the ball more than half a dozen times in the second half to be able to give it away.
I think the incident you refer to was given as a foul. I genuinely do not understand the Petrov slagging after Sunday's game. I was seated upstairs at Wolves and I thought he did his job pretty well. He made it very difficult for them to get anything through the middle to Doyle and was constantly available to link up play when we had the ball.
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Troddenon Dogsturd 1 Aston Villa 2.
I hope.
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Interesting to see the Guardian chalkboards. According to that, Petrov didn't give the ball away once . .
They must be wrong. I distinctly remember him running into one of their players and losing the ball.
It might be that every time he passed the ball it went to a Villa player, but he definitely gave it away at least once.
And (saying this as a big fan of Petrov) he can't have seen the ball more than half a dozen times in the second half to be able to give it away.
I think the incident you refer to was given as a foul
It wasn't - it led directly to a Wolves shot.
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Interesting to see the Guardian chalkboards. According to that, Petrov didn't give the ball away once . .
They must be wrong. I distinctly remember him running into one of their players and losing the ball.
It might be that every time he passed the ball it went to a Villa player, but he definitely gave it away at least once.
And (saying this as a big fan of Petrov) he can't have seen the ball more than half a dozen times in the second half to be able to give it away.
I think the incident you refer to was given as a foul
It wasn't - it led directly to a Wolves shot.
Sorry, I don't remember it then.
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Spurs 0 Villa 2
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There's no need to fear these ******. I know they were away but they've just lost to West Ham. Timidly.
They're no different to any Spurs side I've ever seen. You can can get after them, knock them out of their stride.
You just need to be up for it and have some composure.
They'll have their spell but keep it tight and they look like leaking goals.
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i think it is a big call to change a winning team and i dont think he will, a lot depends on warnock against lenon
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Hopefully Warnock the Warrior will put another tramline in that idiot's hair... with his studs!
Just kidding. There's no need for that sort of thing (crosses fingers behind back).
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Draw I think despite them tiring after the Chumps League match this week.
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Carew and Dunne back to fitness for this game. Gabby doubtful with a slight groin strain.
I know it won't go down well with the roundholers (or is it squareheaders?) but I'd bring back Dunne, move Young to left back and play Carlos at right back.
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I'd bring back Dunne
I'd bring him back when he's finished doing his claret-and-blue Tinky-Winky impression
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I would start with exactly the same team that started v Wolves.
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a lot depends on warnock against lenon
With a winger like Lennon it's not so much a case of Warnock having a good game against him, even though that obviously helps, but a tactical plan to keep him from being in that dangerous one on one position.
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Carew and Dunne back to fitness for this game. Gabby doubtful with a slight groin strain.
I know it won't go down well with the roundholers (or is it squareheaders?) but I'd bring back Dunne, move Young to left back and play Carlos at right back.
No no no no.
I'd sooner Lichaj played at right back. But I'd stick with Warnock. He has a few kinks in his game but its only by playing he'll iron them out. And Dunne can wait his turn. Cuellar and Collins have done nothing wrong.
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Carew and Dunne back to fitness for this game. Gabby doubtful with a slight groin strain.
I know it won't go down well with the roundholers (or is it squareheaders?) but I'd bring back Dunne, move Young to left back and play Carlos at right back.
No no no no.
I'd sooner Lichaj played at right back. But I'd stick with Warnock. He has a few kinks in his game but its only by playing he'll iron them out. And Dunne can wait his turn. Cuellar and Collins have done nothing wrong.
Carlos was superb Sunday. It makes no sense moving him just to play Dunne ( who tbf has been poor so far)
Keep it as it is, play players in their correct positions.
After their last 2 performances after CL games, and with their injuries, i fancy us to at least get a draw.
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Carlos and Collins have done nothing to deserve being dropped or shunted out of position and I very much doubt they will be.
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Same team please, would like to see more of Bannan. Tottenham 0 Aston Villa 4 :) Heskey 3, Young
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Same team please, would like to see more of Bannan.
Me too, and I think this game might suit him better than Wolves at this stage of his career. Spurs press teams, but they aren't nearly as physical as Wolves and he might just get that little extra bit of time on the ball.
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Same team please, would like to see more of Bannan. Tottenham 0 Aston Villa 4 :) Heskey 3, Young
I beg.
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Start with Sidwell.. VDV and Modric stretched off after 3 minutes , replace him with NRC . Problem solved...
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1-2 Heskey and Ash Young
Spuds have most of their central defence missing.
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Sidwell is a walking impending-penalty-to-the-opposition. I'd let him nowhere near the starting line-up at the moment.
Re Spurs, I think it will be a great deal harder than some on here are optimistically hoping for. It will be a home win, and we won't get near the scoresheet.
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Same team please, would like to see more of Bannan. Tottenham 0 Aston Villa 4 :) Heskey 3, Young
I'll have some of what you're drinking.
Is it salsa sauce neat?
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I was alarmed to see GH say that Dunne should be ok, because he's 'kept his fitness up'! But personally I think the same time with Ireland for Petrov should start on Saturday.
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Carlos and Collins have done nothing to deserve being dropped or shunted out of position and I very much doubt they will be.
I think Warnock has been the weakest link in the defence so far this season. Shifting Young and Cuellar whilst bring Dunne back is the best answer to that, it also gives us what was probably the meanest defence in the league last season.
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everytime Spurs plays in midweek then they lose on the weekend! i'm going for a hard game but we should sneak it 1-0
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On paper it's probably the best time to play them; not in the best form, defensive injuries and after a CL game.
So, in typical Villa style I'll predict a 2-1 to Spurs.
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Cannot change Collins and Cuellar or Petrov who was not as bad as people suggest. Think same team as Wolves. With ireland coming on at some stage for Petrov ............
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Carlos and Collins have done nothing to deserve being dropped or shunted out of position and I very much doubt they will be.
I think Warnock has been the weakest link in the defence so far this season. Shifting Young and Cuellar whilst bring Dunne back is the best answer to that, it also gives us what was probably the meanest defence in the league last season.
Dunne has looked highly suspect this season, not to mention extremely fat and out of shape. If he's still carrying the same amount of timber he was last time he played for us, he shouldn't be anywhere near the team. It's really disappointing he let himself get that out of shape.
I agree re Warnock, he's looked very iffy, but replacing him with a clearly unfit player at the cost of two players out of position at full back seems a bit pointless, really.
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Cuellar looked far more assured and competent at CB than he ever did at RB so lets not start dicking about with a position that looks OK for the time being.
Dunne should have to fight his way back into contention, not just walk (or waddle) into the starting XI.
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Carlos and Collins have done nothing to deserve being dropped or shunted out of position and I very much doubt they will be.
I think Warnock has been the weakest link in the defence so far this season. Shifting Young and Cuellar whilst bring Dunne back is the best answer to that, it also gives us what was probably the meanest defence in the league last season.
Dunne has looked highly suspect this season, not to mention extremely fat and out of shape. If he's still carrying the same amount of timber he was last time he played for us, he shouldn't be anywhere near the team. It's really disappointing he let himself get that out of shape.
I agree re Warnock, he's looked very iffy, but replacing him with a clearly unfit player at the cost of two players out of position at full back seems a bit pointless, really.
While I can see VD's point re Warnock, I'm hoping the days of a CB playing at RB are behind us, or at least will be after January, unless injuries dictate otherwise. Plus Dunne's form was equally as poor as Warnock's, so why bring one back to drop the other? Dunne shouldn't be an automatic choice with that lard and that poor form he's shown, he has to eaen it.
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On OS GH has said he would play Carlos at Right Back if needed.I'm presuming that means if injuries occur.Hope so anyway
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Whilst Warnock is not at his best (he'll be back to his best soon, I'm sure), we still need our full backs to be able to get forward. It was Warnock after all who put the cross in for the real deal against the dogheads. Luke offers similar nous on the opposite side. I dont want Cuellar back there even if we are slightly more stingy in the goals against column. Cuellar is also (arguably)our best centre half. Leave him be.
If there is a need to bring somebody else in at full back, I'd trust Lichaj. Let's see how he goes.
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Carlos and Collins have done nothing to deserve being dropped or shunted out of position and I very much doubt they will be.
I think Warnock has been the weakest link in the defence so far this season. Shifting Young and Cuellar whilst bring Dunne back is the best answer to that, it also gives us what was probably the meanest defence in the league last season.
Defensively, Cuellar struggled last season at RB when he had a winger running at him, so I'd be concerned over Bale if we did that. I don't think Warnock has been that bad and now we have Luke Young in his best position and playing well there, I'd be very reluctant to move him!
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I'm thinking a 2-0 (Ash freekick and downing volley ha! Ha!) win to villa with spurs on a champions league comedown.
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Cant see us losing this to be honest. Spurs were gutless in the extreme against West Ham last weekend and Corluka is hopeless at centre half. Crouch and Keane have zero pace, I'd be more concerned if Pavlucheko plays. Spurs can be layed at evens on Sunday and I think that is a very decent bet. If Gabby was in good form I'd strongly fancy us to win.
No way Dunne should come back in, Warnock is struggling but I'd keep the faith for the moment. L young would want to improve from his second half performance the last day too. It isnt time for Lichaj to be tested by Bale though. I wouldnt play Albrighton either to be honest. Bring Ireland in. Let him rotate with Ashley but Bale needs to be tracked which ever of them are on the right. If Houllier sets us up properly we could sneak a win. Key is to pressurise Huddlestone, he doesnt like being pressed and Jenas or Palacious arent as good with the ball. Tottenham's full backs are good going forward but lets see what they are like defensively. Our attacking players will need to work harder without the ball than they did last weekend too. Albrighton and Downing didnt provide too much protection the last day I thought. I dont want Sidwell or Reo Coker moving more than 15 yards away from our centre halves.
Friedel
L Young, Cuellar, Collins, Warnock
-------Sidwell, Reo Coker,----------
Young, Ireland, Downing
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Seriously, I know Petrov's not in the best of form but bringing in Sidwell for him is utterly ridiculous.
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Bit harsh to drop Albrighton surely?
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I was torn between a draw and a defeat for this one. I have gone for us to lose two one.
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I am hopeful of a convinving 3-1 win, 2 goals in the last 15 minutes as they fade away. It's about time we beat them.
I am also expecting to see the same line up as Sunday, barring injuries.
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Sidwell for Petrov is crazy talk.
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It depends on how phsyically right Petrov is. If he's not going to last more than 45 minutes then calling Sidwell seems like some sort of plan. But ideally I wouldn't be starting him ahead of Petrov.
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...by the way, isnt it nice to be talking about potential line ups and tactics again? Not knowing for sure, who's going to play and how?
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...by the way, isnt it nice to be talking about potential line ups and tactics again? Not knowing for sure, who's going to play and how?
There was a time during the season we competed with Arsenal for fourth where we weren't sure whether it would be 4-4-2 or 4-5-1. Ever since MON resolved that little debate for himself (with totally the wrong answer) the team practically didn't change for two years.
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Cant see us losing this to be honest. Spurs were gutless in the extreme against West Ham last weekend and Corluka is hopeless at centre half. Crouch and Keane have zero pace, I'd be more concerned if Pavlucheko plays. Spurs can be layed at evens on Sunday and I think that is a very decent bet. If Gabby was in good form I'd strongly fancy us to win.
No way Dunne should come back in, Warnock is struggling but I'd keep the faith for the moment. L young would want to improve from his second half performance the last day too. It isnt time for Lichaj to be tested by Bale though. I wouldnt play Albrighton either to be honest. Bring Ireland in. Let him rotate with Ashley but Bale needs to be tracked which ever of them are on the right. If Houllier sets us up properly we could sneak a win. Key is to pressurise Huddlestone, he doesnt like being pressed and Jenas or Palacious arent as good with the ball. Tottenham's full backs are good going forward but lets see what they are like defensively. Our attacking players will need to work harder without the ball than they did last weekend too. Albrighton and Downing didnt provide too much protection the last day I thought. I dont want Sidwell or Reo Coker moving more than 15 yards away from our centre halves.
Friedel
L Young, Cuellar, Collins, Warnock
-------Sidwell, Reo Coker,----------
Young, Ireland, Downing
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I follow your logic but that team selection creates more problems than it solves.
Drop one of our inform players (Albrighton) to accommodate someone still finding his feet (Ireland)? Starting with Sidwell?
We have to be wary of Bale and a few others, but not to the point where we handicap ourselves. Luke Young came in from the cold last year and marked Lennon out of the game at VP - when Lennon was one of the in form players in the league. I'd be confident he could do a job on Bale too. After that, lets concentrate on our game.
If Spurs were close to full strength I perhaps wouldn't be so confident. But we have the tools at our disposal to make like uncomfortable for them - providing we pick a team on merit with players in form. No fruity picks or odd formations required for this one.
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...by the way, isnt it nice to be talking about potential line ups and tactics again? Not knowing for sure, who's going to play and how?
what's even more reassuring is that you know Houllier and staff will be looking at this game and figuring out the best way to play against the opposition. And, if it isn't working on the day, having some options available to come on and change things as needed.
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I think there is a strong case for 4-5-1 here. That would either involve Ireland in for Albrighton, or bringing Downing into a central role and Ashley going wide (the difference being Downing would play as the attacking player in a 3, rather than a number 10), with the ability to shift to 4-2-3-1 without too much trouble during the game. I'm quite attracted to the latter idea.
I think I would keep the same back 4 as last weekend.
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I really really hate spurs, especially watching them in the CL, so I'm saying 9-1 to Villa
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2-0 Spurs. VDV with 2 pens.
EDIT. Pens which will be given for fouls on Aaron Lennon by Stephen Warnock after the former has skipped past the latter and left him for dead.
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Ledley has played for them tonight, so he won't be playing on Saturday. Should be Bassong & Corluka.
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Yeah i'm kinda changing my mind after their score this evening... Not so sure about their champions league comedown now... They could be buzzing from a result like that even if it was FC Twente
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Yeah i'm kinda changing my mind after their score this evening... Not so sure about their champions league comedown now... They could be buzzing from a result like that even if it was FC Twente
The result didn't reflect the game, they got a lot of help from the ref and poor finishing from Twente. I'm still not confident about Saturday but I didn't see anything tonight to make me more worried.
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2-0 Spurs. VDV with 2 pens.
EDIT. Pens which will be given for fouls on Aaron Lennon by Stephen Warnock after the former has skipped past the latter and left him for dead.
Will he not be banned?
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Can see a 4-2-3-1 against Spurs. With Downing tracking back to cover Warnock. Ireland and Ash in front of Reo and Petrov. Heskey leading the line .......... Think spurs were pretty lucky tonight. Hope that will run out saturday .....
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You have to go for 2.1 or 3.2 to us.
Still remember going to the game at WHL just after Hodge (spit) joined them. Wasnt the best experience but at least we gave him some stick and had to run at least a mile from the wankers to the tube.
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Very flattering scoreline for Spuds tonight. They won't get away again with the dodgy defending they displayed.
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1-0 to the villa, super ash loves scoring against these wankers
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Looking at their bench last night, they had a midfield on there of Lennon, Palacios, Jenas and Kranjcar, that's better than Albrighton, Petrov, NRC and Downing for me and it's only their reserves, Bale, VDV and Modric to tear us apart, 3-1 Spurs
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Looking at their bench last night, they had a midfield on there of Lennon, Palacios, Jenas and Kranjcar, that's better than Albrighton, Petrov, NRC and Downing for me.
Is it bollocks. The only player of quality amongst that lot is Lennon and even he's hit and miss.
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How many England caps does Jenas have compared with NRC? I'd say Palacios and Kranjcar are equal to Petrov and Downing
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Kevin Gage, why are you against bringing players in from 'the cold' such as Sidwell and Ireland, yet you state that the same happened to L Young last yr and he marked an in form Lennon out of the game?
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How many England caps does Jenas have compared with NRC?
Not as many as Phil Neville though, so lets go get him!
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How many England caps does Jenas have compared with NRC? I'd say Palacios and Kranjcar are equal to Petrov and Downing
England caps? Who cares? Jenas is fucking shite. Krancjar is mostly anonymous and Palacios is a poor man's NRC from what I've seen. Their first choice midfield is pretty slick when they're "on it" but pardon me if I dont piss my pants over them and certainly not their poxy reserves.
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How many England caps does Jenas have compared with NRC? I'd say Palacios and Kranjcar are equal to Petrov and Downing
England caps? Who cares? Jenas is fucking shite. Krancjar is mostly anonymous and Palacios is a poor man's NRC from what I've seen. Their first choice midfield is pretty slick when they're "on it" but pardon me if I dont piss my pants over them and certainly not their poxy reserves.
I agree that Spurs get over hyped but Palacios is a much better player than Reo Coker.
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How many England caps does Jenas have compared with NRC? I'd say Palacios and Kranjcar are equal to Petrov and Downing
England caps? Who cares? Jenas is fucking shite. Krancjar is mostly anonymous and Palacios is a poor man's NRC from what I've seen. Their first choice midfield is pretty slick when they're "on it" but pardon me if I dont piss my pants over them and certainly not their poxy reserves.
I agree that Spurs get over hyped but Palacios is a much better player than Reo Coker.
No, he isnt. We'll have to massively agree to disagree on that one.
I havent seen what the fuss is anyway. Just another hypespurt.
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He's much better than Reo-Coker in my opinion.
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How exactly? What makes this so?
Anyway, I dont really want to discuss their players. It makes me feel ill.
Suffice it to say that, although our midfield needs improvement in the centre, Spurs' reserves are not an improvement.
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He's as good as breaking up play, but is much more comfotable on the ball with a better eye for a pass. Maybe 'much better' was an exaggeration but I do think he's better.
Jenas is dog shit though.
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I wish we had poxy reserve players of the calibre of Lennon and Keane to call upon.
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Some facts. Palacios can pass to one of his players on a consistent basis sucessfully. He has pace. And every tackle he makes is not a foul ? Also he has pretty good control and looks comfortable on the ball. "poor man`s NRC" Mazrim you have some interesting points usually. But that comment is way off the mark ............
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Yeah alright then, Palacios is brilliant, my mistake.
Some facts. Palacios can pass to one of his players on a consistent basis sucessfully. He has pace. And every tackle he makes is not a foul ? Also he has pretty good control and looks comfortable on the ball. "poor man`s NRC" Mazrim you have some interesting points usually. But that comment is way off the mark ............
So are you saying NRC has no pace? Can't tackle without fouling? The season before last (he hardly played last season) he had the best tackling success rate for a midfielder in the league. Even above that other overrated gobshite Mascherano. I'd also fancy that NRC is quicker and stronger than Palacios. Neither of them are particularly good passers. So whatever this ace card Palacios has to play, I'm not aware of it.
Anyway, enough about Palacios, I dont care. If you think he's ace, fine. I dont.
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I wish we had poxy reserve players of the calibre of Lennon and Keane to call upon.
Well, Ireland and Gabby can hardly get a game at the moment. Still, Spurs are the bestest! I dont even know why we're bothering going down there.
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I'm with you Maz, 100%.
And Palacios looks like he's nicked his head off a Sesame Street character.
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2-0 Spurs. VDV with 2 pens.
EDIT. Pens which will be given for fouls on Aaron Lennon by Stephen Warnock after the former has skipped past the latter and left him for dead.
Will he not be banned?
For what?
Not for the CL sending off he won't, he didn't get sent off in the PL last week so he'll be ok to play.
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Does CL red cards only count in the CL then? Is it only a suspension in Europe? I genuinely dont know.
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Does CL red cards only count in the CL then? Is it only a suspension in Europe? I genuinely dont know.
Yep - Euro suspensions only count in Euro games. That's why Dunne wasn't able to play for us away in Vienna. His suspension following his last Euro game was held over from his Man City days.
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Heskey keeps Gabby out of the team, so that tells you how good Gabby is now.
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Heskey keeps Gabby out of the team, so that tells you how good Gabby is now.
No he doesn't and no it doesn't.
Gabby has been carrying an injury since pre-season. So Heskey is keeping Gabby out as much as Pavlychenko is keeping Defoe out.
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How do I find out which Football First program show Aston Villa V Spurs on Virgin V++ box. So I can record it before I am off to Majorca on Saturday.
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Two each, the tumbling bear becomes the bear in the air and rescues us for the 3rd game running! They'll be suffering the champions league hangover and get an undeserved draw.
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Heskey keeps Gabby out of the team, so that tells you how good Gabby is now.
That's about as wrong as it is possible to be.
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I expect Keane to get a start, he hasn't scored against us in a while has he.....
Lennon will start aswell.
We can get at their defence but will we get enough of the ball to do that? Crucial we try to nulify their midfield, I'd still happily take a point from this.
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I'm desperate for us to win this game, hopefully we will continue to improve and Spurs will have a European hangover. A win there would be great.
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Im very good friends with a Spurzz fan. Love the bloke , even been down Villa with him quite a few times , hes a top man. But when spurzz win a game, hes the biggest cnut Ive ever known..
WE HAVE TO WIN THIS
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Heskey keeps Gabby out of the team, so that tells you how good Gabby is now.
That's about as wrong as it is possible to be.
File that with "David O'Leary is a top bloke, and loves the Villa", and "the Pope, he's Protestant you know..."
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Yeah, absolute cobblers Pedro.
Swap Keane for Gabby would you?
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tough game this,settle for a 1-1
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How do I find out which Football First program show Aston Villa V Spurs on Virgin V++ box. So I can record it before I am off to Majorca on Saturday.
Dont think you have a choice with Virgin do you? at least you don't on my V+ box. Just lumbered with the main game...or has it changed?
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No, but only due to age, can't see Gabby doing as well over the next 10 years as Keane has over the last 10.
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No, but only due to age, can't see Gabby doing as well over the next 10 years as Keane has over the last 10.
Even though Gabby has been better than Keane over the past 4 years?
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anyone know if Rococo or the royal are showing this?
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anyone know if Rococo or the royal are showing this?
I don't.
But take your blindfold in case Heskey scores.
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anyone know if Rococo or the royal are showing this?
I think Rococo are and was going to check as I'll be going past it after school tonight.
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anyone know if Rococo or the royal are showing this?
I don't.
But take your blindfold in case Heskey scores.
As gracious as ever. I wont need a blindfold, i dont expect the useless git to score against an actual defence. Its not Wolves or Blackburn B
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anyone know if Rococo or the royal are showing this?
I think Rococo are and was going to check as I'll be going past it after school tonight.
If you could post on here that would be great! thanks!
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anyone know if Rococo or the royal are showing this?
I think Rococo are and was going to check as I'll be going past it after school tonight.
If you could post on here that would be great! thanks!
No, as I'll be in there wearing a Heskey shirt and afraid you'll be mean to me.
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Olney, stats show Keane far superior to Gabby over past four seasons.
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Olney, stats show Keane far superior to Gabby over past four seasons.
Really? Which stats? Are you counting goals at Celtic, for instance? Indeed, are you only counting goals? Are you factoring in that they generally play very different roles in their respective teams?
Lies and damn lies. As anyone who's been involved in a debate with Villadawg will know, stats mean nothing unless you have literally every available piece of information. If you don't, then anything can be selected to suit your ends.
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He scores more goals and plays deeper, so even more impressive.
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Gabby having groin surgery on Monday according to SSN.
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out for a few weeks is Gabby...
need to get him back to his best.. thank god heskey has changed into Drogba
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out for a few weeks is Gabby...
need to get him back to his best.. thank god heskey has changed into Drogba
2 weeks at least I've heard
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Actim stats show Gabby is better over the last few years. They're the official stats of the Premier League for what it's worth.
Also, you'd have to be mental to swap them.
The whole point of this, before we digressed, was that Spurs' reserves are NOT better than our first choice.
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Olney, stats show Keane far superior to Gabby over past four seasons.
Premier League goals.
2009/2010
Gabby - 13
Keane - 6
2008/2009
Gabby - 12
Keane - 10
2007/2008
Gabby - 11
Keane - 15
2006/2007
Gabby - 9
Keane - 11
Total
Gabby - 45
Keane - 42
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He scores more goals and plays deeper, so even more impressive.
Not really, that's a general trend in football. Players like Ronaldo, Messi, Lampard and so on play from deep but arrive late (or in Messi's case, beat everybody on his own) at the optimum moment of the attack. So few goals are actually scored from beyond the line of the defence - most are scored by getting space just in front of it, in the penalty area. As proof, the most prolific scorer in Europe used to be Owen, an old-fashioned on-the-shoulder striker. Now it's probably David Villa, a man who plays largely as a support striker from the left.
Besides, as Olney's just proven, either Gabby scores more than Keane or the difference is negligible. Either way, Keane is not definitely more prolific than Gabby. Far from it.
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anyone know if Rococo or the royal are showing this?
I think Rococo are and was going to check as I'll be going past it after school tonight.
If you could post on here that would be great! thanks!
No, as I'll be in there wearing a Heskey shirt and afraid you'll be mean to me.
I wouldnt be mean to you id just shake my head and pity you for spending money on his name!
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I wouldnt be mean to you id just shake my head and pity you for spending money on his name!
So, who do you think'll win the Blackburn and Burnley game in the next round of the Carling Cup?
Can you believe we only drew with Wolves?
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anyone know if Rococo or the royal are showing this?
I think Rococo are and was going to check as I'll be going past it after school tonight.
If you could post on here that would be great! thanks!
No, as I'll be in there wearing a Heskey shirt and afraid you'll be mean to me.
I wouldnt be mean to you id just shake my head and pity you for spending money on his name!
Are you going to the Everton game on Saturday ?
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Are you going to the Everton game on Saturday ?
Cant afford to, why?
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anyone know if Rococo or the royal are showing this?
I think Rococo are and was going to check as I'll be going past it after school tonight.
If you could post on here that would be great! thanks!
No, as I'll be in there wearing a Heskey shirt and afraid you'll be mean to me.
I wouldnt be mean to you id just shake my head and pity you for spending money on his name!
It's Ok - I was only joking!
It's really a Martin O'Neill shirt.
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But you are only counting a fraction of the goals Keane has scored in the last 4 years, 42 of 97, that's hardly fair. You can't ignore 45 extra goals because you don't rate the FA Cup, League Cup, European competitions or internationals.
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But you are only counting a fraction of the goals Keane has scored in the last 4 years, 42 of 97, that's hardly fair. You can't ignore 45 extra goals because you don't rate the FA Cup, League Cup, European competitions or internationals.
But Gabby didn't get to play in those games, Keane had the chance to play in all the games Gabby did if we just use the Premier League.
There's no way you can count Internationals.
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Are you going to the Everton game on Saturday ?
Cant afford to, why?
Just wondered ......
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No he didn't, Keane has had several more injuries and suspensions than Gabby over the last few years. I forgot Gabby was banned for playing for his country. You may as well say that Messi is not as good as Harewood, because Harewood has not played enough games to judge. They have both been footballers with two legs for the past 4 years, so it's appropriate to judge their input into the game. One has been very promising for Villa, scoring 10-12 goals for 3 years and 16 last yr, and is on the fringes of the national team, but Keane has captained his country, scored numerous goals for his country, played for 3 very large clubs, scored plenty of goals for all of them and has played and scored many goals in both major European competitions.
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Keane has captained his country, sure. But his country happens to be the Republic of Ireland, who with the greatest respect do not have forwards like Rooney or Defoe to pick ahead of someone like Gabby. If Gabby were Irish he'd be in their squad faster than even he could run.
Besides, the debate's irrelevant. They're different players with very different roles in any given team.
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We are bound to win on Saturday as after their midweek CL win they will treat us like shit and rightly get smacked.
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The only question is how many hat-tricks will Heskey score?
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The only question is how many hat-tricks will Heskey score?
A hat-trick.
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My dream.Ashley scores in the last minute of stoppage time having played a blinder all match.The Villa fans sing to the tune of "the city is ours " "Ashley is ours.F**k off Tottenham"
3-1 Villa.They won't give us near enough respect and they will be punished
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Ashley scoring in the last minute of stoppage time? Like this you mean?
I'm sorry. I just can't help myself.
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2-0 Spurs.
Probably a penalty and a deflected goal but I can't see us getting anything down there. Their defence is weak but we're not creating too many chances up front. I really hope I'm wrong as I'm having dinner tomorrow night with a Spurs fan and just like all their fans, she'll be giving it large should they win.
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Ashley scoring in the last minute of stoppage time? Like this you mean?
I'm sorry. I just can't help myself.
Hahahaha.Exactly like that :D
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So anyone know about rococo or want to keep going on about Heskey?
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2-0 Spurs.
Probably a penalty and a deflected goal but I can't see us getting anything down there. Their defence is weak but we're not creating too many chances up front. I really hope I'm wrong as I'm having dinner tomorrow night with a Spurs fan and just like all their fans, she'll be giving it large should they win.
Really? Is that your Spurs v Villa 02/10/2010 perspective?
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sneaky 1-0 win
Gonna be tough
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I'm getting more confident the closer we're getting to this game.
I'd fucking love to beat them pricks.
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It feels like an important game. I'd be happy enough to finish the day 2 points ahead but woud love to see us surge ahead of them by 5 points.
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So anyone know about rococo or want to keep going on about Heskey?
I'd prefer to go on about Heskey. Did you know that his family are of Antiguan descent?
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The Emile Heskey Appreciation Society (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=125608594156635)
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We've only won once at WHL in a decade.
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I fucking hate tottenham, please please win today Villa.
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I think we're going to win, and win well. 2-0, Heskey and Heskey.
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With Spurs having a few injuries, and having played on Wednesday coupled with our bright start under Houiler and the return of Dunne I can see us getting a point.
1-1
L. Young for us 43 Minutes
Pavlyuchenko for them 68 Minutes
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We've GOT to win this as Lawro has predicted us to lose 2-0.The absolute twunt !!
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The Emile Heskey Appreciation Society (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=125608594156635)
Hell of a name for a band !!
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This is a game that I normally go to. However, I've opted for a "Men they Couldn't Hang" gig today instead.
However, I won't miss some of our more "challenged" supporters and their oh-so-witty comments about gas chambers etc
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The Emile Heskey Appreciation Society (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=125608594156635)
Not forgetting: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=138828857814&ref=ts
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I don't see us getting anything from this - 3-1 unfortunately.
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Anyone know if its being shown on a stream or TV ? (please?)
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Any stream recommendations ? .........
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This one is looking good so far:
http://www.veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4ca592925e748
edit: very very good quality
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This one is looking good so far:
http://www.veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4ca592925e748
edit: very very good quality
Cheers KRS will have a look now .....