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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on August 26, 2010, 01:27:26 PM
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Available Thursday evening.
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Westham really are shit
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Sheer ineptness. MacDonald for playing two defenders out of position, Beye and Davies for the goals. No one to get the team going. Very worrying, we are a club in crisis.
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More comedy defending and continued 5 chances per goal. Seriously losing the will to watch. Utter, utter bollocks.
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Poor defending, toothless attack, badly organised and lacking in leadership.
Can we get a proper manager now please.
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Appalling. Beye & Davies not fit to play for us again after this, but KMcD must shoulder some of the blame for playing Beye at left back.
SGE in by Monday?
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I think Everton could stick a few past us, if we defend anything like we have done in the last few games - Rapid away was just as bad.
Cahill is just almost certain to score at least one header isn't he?
That team is absolutely all over the place.
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Not enough people in the ground at the end to boo the team off. Says a lot.
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Thank god we are out, european opposition is too much for us. We can now concentrate on the league and, by god, are we going to have to. Utterly inept throughout. Beye and Davies are not fit to grace the shirt, Guzan inspires zero confidence in me, Cuellar and Reo-Coker can't control or pass the ball, Young is all style and no substance most of the time and Heskey runs around like a fat kid who has been allowed to play out of goal for once in his life. I wonder if Kevin Mcdonald will still be stood in the dugout with his arms crossed come midnight.
All in all, a huge blessing in disguise...
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I feel like crying...in anger...
Should not post now! should shut up...but F... O..
KMac? Is that a shit burger at mcdonalds?
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A right back at left back
A centre back at right back
Heskey in the B6 post code, let alone on the pitch
Absolutely zero threat up front. Zero.
One of the worst centre halves I've seen in decades.
No manager
No signings
Chairman "waiting till after the Everton game" to offer KM the first interview BEFORE interviewing other people.
This club is an absolute fucking shambles right now. If we are going to stop being a shambles, Lerner MUST act very, very soon.
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sorry k mac, you aint up to it, albrighton as striker, damn disgrace! Everything pretty shit at the mo!
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May sound melodramatic but I feel ashamed of the villa in a way I don't think I have before. Just the lack of grit, fight whatever. Need to arrest things and fast.
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UTTER SHIT
Comedy defending, we need a bloody good manager quick.
Curtis and Beye were pathetic, and we need to replace Milner with an equally bloody good player.
Randy get the manager and open your cheque book quickly or this will be an awful season.
Not looking forward to the game against Everton.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Habib Beye, Emile Heskey and Curtis Davies. Sacks of shite. Wastes of money.
Fuck you O'Neill.
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The thing is that is now about 8 mistakes from our players in two games which have lead to goals missed or goals against.
Carew Missed Pen
Brad Let First against Newcastle.
Brad Parried Second Out
Dunne Sliced Clearance
Beye For first tonight
Petrov Missed Pen
Heskey Missed Follow Up
Davies fuck knows what shoving ball out over our crossbar when a yard from sideline for Second
Young Brad
We never had a run like that in two games.
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Poor defending. Rubbish keeper. And you wont win a game with that man up front on his own - despite the fact his chested the goal in.
Not sure who is to blame - the players or KM?
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Utter rubbish.
Embarrassing to watch.
Randy cut a depressed looking Chairman I thought as well.
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Macdonald is mon mk2. I said he should of took last week seriously, but anyhoo, any team that plays husky....
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A word on Davies, people saying he was a good counterfoil to Laursen. There is not a single centre half currently on our books who can carry this lad the way Laursen did.. If he plays again for Aston Villa I will be seriously pissed off. Habib Beye is a right back so has a small excuse.
What a load of complete and utter bollocks that was.
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A right back at left back
A centre back at right back
Heskey in the B6 post code, let alone on the pitch
Absolutely zero threat up front. Zero.
One of the worst centre halves I've seen in decades.
No manager
No signings
Chairman "waiting till after the Everton game" to offer KM the first interview BEFORE interviewing other people.
This club is an absolute fucking shambles right now. If we are going to stop being a shambles, Lerner MUST act very, very soon.
I agree.
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Habib Beye is an utter fucking embarrasment, out of position or not.
..and he gets £40,000 a week to do that.
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Beye got deked out of his pants on the one Vienna goal. What's with Davies giving up the corner kick? We have no grit on defence. That was a very depressing game. A shake up is necessary. KM needs to admit that he doesn't want the job of manager. The only guys out there hustling were Albrighton and Gabby.
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If they even think about appointing MacDonald after this second shambles in a row, Lerner should give the club back to Doug.
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Just what I was saying after West Ham. That it will be a real shame if a top coach like KM gets roasted when the results go bad. He needs to know his place and willingly step aside.
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I'm angrier tonight than I was on Sunday, what the hell is going on with this keystone cops defending, their second equaliser, why was nobody on the post?
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Playing wise I just do not have a clue which way our club is heading
We are clearly not ......
Ah fuck it I really cant be bothered ... its getting to the stage now where I've had enough heart ache and embarrassment.
Petrov spoke of 'hurt' getting them through.... only hurt I see is from the fans of our great club.... I dont expect any of the players will be hurt financially and thats all that counts with footballers nowadays.
Yes we've had darker times yes ... fortunately i wasnt around then but football is different today.... the players I assume back then were Villa boys, good or bad. Today's footballer is a mercenary with no commitment other than contract that pays his money.
And thats questionable these days .....
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Didn't know we'd missed a penalty - and just seen Heskey's follow up - must have been putting kids to bed...
Absolutely unbeliveable. Houston we don't have a problem - we have a crisis.
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I'm dreading the Everton game.
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I agree, the Everton game has 3 or 4 nil written all over it.
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Petrov's penalty was so utterly dreadful too - what was it, 3 steps then a crap shot.
I knew he'd miss, it was odds on really.
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If I had a season ticket - i would rip it up....shame
Does Lerner has to go through the taunting of other owners? If not - he fucking should....Hurting? not like us it seems.
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Absolutely dreadful...wish they wouldn't show them on TV, the whole country then gets to see how embarrasing we are...
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Utter utter shite!!!
I was furious this time last year but tonight the rage reaches new levels!
I am seriously struggling to remember the last time I was this embarrassed by the Villa!?
Lerner and co can fuck off as far as I'm concerned as it's there indecision that has wasted an entire fucking season!
Unbelievable!
I wonder what pr spin they will try and put on this shit!?
Wankers the lot of them
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To be honest, I don't like this cup but I wanted us to put on a show tonight to put the Newcastle result behind us.
Now the confidence will be on the floor and I'm dreading Everton on Sunday.
MON really fucked us up leaving as he did, but I'm already missing him.
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I cannot see us winning another game until at least a couple of weeks AFTER we get a manager!
WE ARE IN FREEFALL! Spurs 2 seasons ago.
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As Paulie said there was zero threat up front. Combine that with poor defending and we is in da shit.
At least we passed it about a bit in the 1st half.
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i only saw bits of it due to a shit stream but I see Davies is getting much of the blame. I can only say the first Rapid goal was down to Beye giving it away, Cuellar losing the aerial battle and Guzan being beaten on his near post. And the second was mostly down to Guzan's fuck up. I've been saying for ages we need a keeper as Friedel is a has-been and Guzan is a never will be. Neither are an improvement on Sorensen and Guzan is as bad as Carson if not worse.
Petrov's penalty was scandalously bad, neither power or placement - a repeat of Ash's against the same opposition last year. Is it too much to ask for a professional footballer to be able to find the corner and at least make the keeper work?
I feel a bit for KM as he has taken over just as we have more injuries than I can ever remember under O'Neill and some of the selections were forced on him. However he does look tactically and motivationally out of his depth and we need a new manager pronto.
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Phew, i didn't renew, and drove past Villa park today on the way home to manchester, I was tempted but thank god i didn't bother!
Lost a lot of interest in football in general, but i was hoping i'd miss the Villa. I'm not
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I think we will se KM rule himself out tonight. Thank god. He purses his lips too much for my liking anyway
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I hate losing.
But it happens, and I get over it. What I hate more than just losing, is losing with a lack of fight. Tonight we were absolutely toothless, and once they got the equaliser we crumpled like a cheap suit. Genuinely embarrassing.
This season has all the hallmarks of being written off already.
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9 goals conceded in a week to 2 shit teams; out of Europe in August again, an absolute joker of a caretaker still mulling over whether he wants the job and less than a week until transfer deadline day and no sign of a new manager let alone new signings... Randy Lerner sort this fecking mess out now!
Tonight was embarrassing; K Mac is starting to make M'ON look like a tactical genius with some of his selections - he is a nice bloke and a good coach with the kids but is starting to look out of his depth and the likes of Guzan, Davies and Beye should never be pulling the shirt on again
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Pathetic defending again.
We need someone in fast to sort this mess out.
Curtis you are some idiot, Habib Bye Bye.
Crap.
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Every silver lining has a cloud, our game with Spurs at WHL will be on a Saturday.
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Three positives: Gabby's back. Ireland looked good. Less Sunday kick offs.
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Shite all round. I'm bracing myself for a bollocks season and lots of grief at work from my colleagues.
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I really don't understand the Heskey hatred. He scored a goal, great reactions but people just concentrate on a snapshot reaction to a very poor penalty. I thought he played well tonight, held the ball well, won some free kicks in good positions.
Ireland had a great first hour, not one misplaced pass, very inventive. Disappeared badly though.
Davies was fucking shite, mind.
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If I had a season ticket - i would rip it up....shame
After one home league game, when we've not even appointed the manager for the rest of the season? Are you fucking joking?
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Its the top who has to take the blame..starting with lerner down to KMac...Easy as that..
Stop talking about thinking about the job. just step down.
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Utter, utter shit. KM is not and has never been the predecessor to MON. The calculated gamble Lerner & co made has/will not pay off and now they really need to deliver a very good manager. If they don't, the last 4 years will have been a waste of time and (Randy's) money. Over to them I guess.
The current complete lack of positivity surrounding the club is only comparable since the O Leary years. Scary.
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If I had a season ticket - i would rip it up....shame
After one home league game, when we've not even appointed the manager for the rest of the season? Are you fucking joking?
And plastic is hard to rip up.
You'd have to snap it.
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Oh - and sack and cancel the contracts of the wank players we have...make an example.
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Piss poor. Just piss poor. Vienna throughly deserved it on the night and how that happened I have no idea because after the first half hour I was wondering how they were ever going to score.
The defeat in itself is hard to take but I am worried about what effect the lack of European football will have on our chances of attracting a really top quality manager. And we absolutely must get a really top quality manager. Not Kevin MacDonald, even for a season to keep the seat warm for somebody.
It's a salutory lesson in what happens when you let one man dominate the club for so long and then he buggers off. The club just feels totally rudderless and more than a little bit amateurish.
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Two comments: Beye out of position and Petrov for poor penalty-taking.
I'd attack Ivanhoe for the point-blank miss but it's too easy.
I'm in pieces here.
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Going to be lots of overeactions tonight. Truth is, this will be a transitional season, key is now getting a quality manager in asap!!we can then regroup and build again
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I really don't understand the Heskey hatred. He scored a goal, great reactions but people just concentrate on a snapshot reaction to a very poor penalty. I thought he played well tonight, held the ball well, won some free kicks in good positions.
Ireland had a great first hour, not one misplaced pass, very inventive. Disappeared badly though.
Davies was fucking shite, mind.
Heskey is not a goal scorer, he is a liability. Need more info?
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Oh - and sack and cancel the contracts of the wank players we have...make an example.
Give away millions of pounds of assets. Genius.
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If I had a season ticket - i would rip it up....shame
After one home league game, when we've not even appointed the manager for the rest of the season? Are you fucking joking?
And plastic is hard to rip up.
You'd have to snap it.
its not the one game - its the signal the top sends about the club.
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Thank god I only watched the first half as I was driving my ill son around the streets to get him to sleep, but I thought NRC played ok, I was counting his passes for 15mins and almost all of them were spot on.
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I think KMacs got the same tactics as O'neil play as many people out of position as possible. Only positive from the game for me was Albrighton coming had flutters like he did west ham last week. I really belive we need to get rid of deadwood (aka beye, davis, guzan) and replace with Clyd , Westwood, Striker maybe Keane for the right price.
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Oh - and sack and cancel the contracts of the wank players we have...make an example.
Give away millions of pounds of assets. Genius.
I would! - cheaper than loose futuer income.
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Can't wait for Downing's battle cry for the Everton game ;D
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i only saw bits of it due to a shit stream but I see Davies is getting much of the blame. I can only say the first Rapid goal was down to Beye giving it away, Cuellar losing the aerial battle and Guzan being beaten on his near post. And the second was mostly down to Guzan's fuck up.
So you didn't see how the corner they scored from came about? Davies is a yard from the side line hoofs the ball out for a corner over the top of our own crossbar. If it wasn't a corner then it wouldn't have been a goal.
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These things happen says kmac- well mr mcdonald if you have any pride you will just happen to go back to the youth team.
Lerner has saved his cash and made nearly £20m this window- some ambition that randy-Aston villa are not a toy , if you can't or won't invest more Money then please find someone who will.
Tonight was hugely shit!
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Didn't you just know we'd find a way to blow it? But how inventive that was? Comedy Beye for the first goal, Comedy Davies for the second and comedy Petrov and Heskey for the missed penalty?
I was angry watching the game but now I'm past caring. Which other club and which other players are capable of screwing things up so completely? Vienna did nothing in that game, nothing. We gave it to them.
Davies, Beye, Heskey (God, at least he tried), Petrov, go away please, far, far away......
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I really don't understand the Heskey hatred. He scored a goal, great reactions but people just concentrate on a snapshot reaction to a very poor penalty. I thought he played well tonight, held the ball well, won some free kicks in good positions.
Ireland had a great first hour, not one misplaced pass, very inventive. Disappeared badly though.
Davies was fucking shite, mind.
Heskey is not a goal scorer, he is a liability. Need more info?
Yes please. I genuinely thought he played well and he did score. How is he a liability?
I'd look at Beye, Davies, NRC, even Guzan & Petrov, before I even thought about criticising Heskey tonight.
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Any ideas how on earth we got 29,000 for that shower of shite?
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I really don't understand the Heskey hatred. He scored a goal, great reactions but people just concentrate on a snapshot reaction to a very poor penalty. I thought he played well tonight, held the ball well, won some free kicks in good positions.
Ireland had a great first hour, not one misplaced pass, very inventive. Disappeared badly though.
Davies was fucking shite, mind.
I thought Heskey was our best player tonight, tho it didnt take a lot granted .
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Fuck. Really fuck.
He definitely shouldn't get the job full stop definitely not. I like the bloke, he has done a magnificent job for the reserves but no way. To play that pathetic waste of a shirt, useless, sheer inept, rubbish, arrogant, dreadful, incompetent prat Davies again after last week defies belief. I cannot believe he ever made it as a footballer. Even then our defensive errors are basic ones. Things I fucking know to do without a coach telling me.
I genuinely think we have to get a seriously decent appointment in and two or three new players in. The board has to pull all the stops out to do so. If we see McDonald as a permanent manager or someone of a similar ilk in then that really will be the last straw for me. Bob Bradley at least (based on what I've seen of USA USA USA) can organise a defense but still we should try to get better. Can we with the money we have? Probably not but the situation is so bad the owner will simply have to dig deep if he wants things to happen. Those two fucking pathetic piles of shit performances are just unbelievably crap.
From a squad that was so expensively assembled, packed with experienced premier league players this is nowher near good enough.
As for that bespectacled arsehole O'Neill. Well you really left us in the lurch you twat.
I'm physically shaking with fear. I've had enough with the lot of them and the lot of it. I just can't be bothered with the match against Everton. I literally want to do anything but watch it or even hear what happens. I'm fed up with and pissed off with the lot of them the former manager, the players, the caretaker and even though I have stuck steadfastly behind them I'm starting to feel that way about the board and this will continue should they not pull a rabbit out of their arses and quick. The question is whether I am being unfair on them under the circumstances. Well I don't know and I am all most certainly not in a realistic, reasoned and relative enough mood to answer that question.
I'm just so unbelievably downhearted and fed up with the whole thing. O'Leary wasn't this bad as it was a kind of slow realisation over the course of the season in particular towards the middle and end of the season. The malaise at the club has turned into a horrible disease. From top to bottom the club is bereft of ideas and leadership. Things can be turned around but I'm not sure. I think it will be a long, hard and painful season. Well it will be interesting enough.
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Phew, i didn't renew, and drove past Villa park today on the way home to manchester, I was tempted but thank god i didn't bother!
Lost a lot of interest in football in general, but i was hoping i'd miss the Villa. I'm not
Well, lucky you and yahoo boo sucks
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Piss poor, the team is in a bit of a shambles. Someone needs to get a grip.
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Thank you for fucking yet another day (or couple of days) for me Aston Villa....i actually start to understand "glory hunting" fans..They dont have the grief...
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Where are we vis a vis the 5 year plan Randy ?
General K never ever answers this question ..... christ, it was a long honeymoon period.
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A complete and utter shambles from the back to the front and from beginning to end. Am i the only one who thought when we scored both times that it wouldn't last? There can't be any excuses, this was a strong team (on paper). No one comes out of this with any credit: players "manager" or board. At least this shows that KM probably doesn't have what it takes to manage at this level if RL was thinking of taking the cheap option.
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To be fair to Kmac he is out of his depth and knows it. He's in a no-win situation and we should be grateful that he was happy to help out after O'Neil's betrayal. Remember - he dropped us in the shit not Kev Mac.
Having said that we now need a decent management appointment that will boost the players and the fans. I gather Petrov said after the game tonight that the team want to know who will be the managers so it is affecting the team. Unfortunately for Petrov as club captain he should be leading the players - I have seen little of that in the last two games. The likes of Beye, Davies and Heskey can all feck off as they give our club absolutely nothing. We need leadershp and fast!
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i only saw bits of it due to a shit stream but I see Davies is getting much of the blame. I can only say the first Rapid goal was down to Beye giving it away, Cuellar losing the aerial battle and Guzan being beaten on his near post. And the second was mostly down to Guzan's fuck up. I've been saying for ages we need a keeper as Friedel is a has-been and Guzan is a never will be. Neither are an improvement on Sorensen and Guzan is as bad as Carson if not worse.
Petrov's penalty was scandalously bad, neither power or placement - a repeat of Ash's against the same opposition last year. Is it too much to ask for a professional footballer to be able to find the corner and at least make the keeper work?
I feel a bit for KM as he has taken over just as we have more injuries than I can ever remember under O'Neill and some of the selections were forced on him. However he does look tactically and motivationally out of his depth and we need a new manager pronto.
When you say Cuellar losing the aerial battle, that's right back Cuellar filling in because Davies had gone awol.
Agree about Stan & his penner, though.
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I think the 5 year plan finishes in the Championship. I honestly don't think we'll see European football at VP again for quite some time. We are in serious decline!!!
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i only saw bits of it due to a shit stream but I see Davies is getting much of the blame. I can only say the first Rapid goal was down to Beye giving it away, Cuellar losing the aerial battle and Guzan being beaten on his near post. And the second was mostly down to Guzan's fuck up.
So you didn't see how the corner they scored from came about? Davies is a yard from the side line hoofs the ball out for a corner over the top of our own crossbar. If it wasn't a corner then it wouldn't have been a goal.
No I didn't see it, as I said I had a dodgy stream that stopped after the second equalizer. So he gave a corner away. The absolute ******. Should we shoot him do you reckon?
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And breathe......
Things we've learned after 3 games.
Negatives
KMac - may not be the one.
Guzan - may not be our future #1.
Beye - poor when played out of position.
Davies - needs to shape up or ship out.
Heskey - the past, not the future; ship out.
Positives
Albrighton - a future star. Needs careful management this season.
NRC - can do a job as holding midfield player.
Gabby - our most potent threat up front.
Question marks
Penalty takers.
Replacement CF to keep Carew & Gabby on their toes.
A Young - dead ball specialist but needs competition otherwise he will take everyone even when off form like tonight.
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I really don't understand the Heskey hatred. He scored a goal, great reactions but people just concentrate on a snapshot reaction to a very poor penalty. I thought he played well tonight, held the ball well, won some free kicks in good positions.
Ireland had a great first hour, not one misplaced pass, very inventive. Disappeared badly though.
Davies was fucking shite, mind.
Heskey was our best player tonight. Sadly, he was playing his career in a microcosm. So good with headers, crossing, passing and winning free kicks but utterly inept in front of goal.
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A right back at left back
A centre back at right back
Heskey in the B6 post code, let alone on the pitch
Absolutely zero threat up front. Zero.
One of the worst centre halves I've seen in decades.
No manager
No signings
Chairman "waiting till after the Everton game" to offer KM the first interview BEFORE interviewing other people.
This club is an absolute fucking shambles right now. If we are going to stop being a shambles, Lerner MUST act very, very soon.
You saved me some typing Paulie.
Except to say this....
Step 1 - Take a manager who is poor tactically but a brilliant and unparalelled motivator.
Step 2 - Give him 4 years. You now have players who are motivated but poorly organised.
Step 3 - Take manager away.
What have you got??
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I really don't understand the Heskey hatred. He scored a goal, great reactions but people just concentrate on a snapshot reaction to a very poor penalty. I thought he played well tonight, held the ball well, won some free kicks in good positions.
I hope there are a few managers around that agree with you, as apart from the defeat, the worst thing about tonight is we're going to be stuck with all the fucking deadwood, as no fucker in his right mind would sign them, never mind pay them what they'd be looking for. FFS, we couldn't even raffle them.
Bollocks.
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Watching KMac on the touch line not shouting at players and speaking to them shows he's out of his depth. I really think we could of done better with words of encouragement from the touchline specially after the equiliser. I was really up for KMac being manager I hope he still becomes assitant manger to a big name as he deserves a promotion and it might help the new manager settle in but definetly not the manager full-time yet as he's gota few things left to learn.
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i only saw bits of it due to a shit stream but I see Davies is getting much of the blame. I can only say the first Rapid goal was down to Beye giving it away, Cuellar losing the aerial battle and Guzan being beaten on his near post. And the second was mostly down to Guzan's fuck up.
So you didn't see how the corner they scored from came about? Davies is a yard from the side line hoofs the ball out for a corner over the top of our own crossbar. If it wasn't a corner then it wouldn't have been a goal.
No I didn't see it, as I said I had a dodgy stream that stopped after the second equalizer. So he gave a corner away. The absolute c***. Should we shoot him do you reckon?
Yes. He was abysmal. Again.
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Give away millions of pounds of assets. Genius.
Current Liabilities on and off the pitch!
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I really don't understand the Heskey hatred. He scored a goal, great reactions but people just concentrate on a snapshot reaction to a very poor penalty. I thought he played well tonight, held the ball well, won some free kicks in good positions.
Ireland had a great first hour, not one misplaced pass, very inventive. Disappeared badly though.
Davies was fucking shite, mind.
Heskey was our best player tonight. Sadly, he was playing his career in a microcosm. So good with headers, crossing, passing and winning free kicks but utterly inept in front of goal.
Errrm, you know he scored?
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i only saw bits of it due to a shit stream but I see Davies is getting much of the blame. I can only say the first Rapid goal was down to Beye giving it away, Cuellar losing the aerial battle and Guzan being beaten on his near post. And the second was mostly down to Guzan's fuck up. I've been saying for ages we need a keeper as Friedel is a has-been and Guzan is a never will be. Neither are an improvement on Sorensen and Guzan is as bad as Carson if not worse.
Petrov's penalty was scandalously bad, neither power or placement - a repeat of Ash's against the same opposition last year. Is it too much to ask for a professional footballer to be able to find the corner and at least make the keeper work?
I feel a bit for KM as he has taken over just as we have more injuries than I can ever remember under O'Neill and some of the selections were forced on him. However he does look tactically and motivationally out of his depth and we need a new manager pronto.
When you say Cuellar losing the aerial battle, that's right back Cuellar filling in because Davies had gone awol.
Agree about Stan & his penner, though.
Cuellar was marking, or at least closest to, the scorer. He is meant to be a good CB, even if he was at RB tonight. But I suppose it was Davies' fault that he was beaten rather too easily.
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I think the 5 year plan finishes in the Championship. I honestly don't think we'll see European football at VP again for quite some time. We are in serious decline!!!
Serious decline? Have you people heard yourselves.
Ok, we took a hammering versus Newcastle, and we lost tonight. Tonight doesn't count as 'decline' as we exit the tournament in the same round against the same team we did last year.
So your basis of our 'serious decline' is one thrashing with a caretaker manager. I know there's going to be some overreaction after a loss, but some of you are bloody mental.
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Ah, does Petrov's comment about the lack of a managerial appointment affecting the team explain his one step penalty and his subsequent 'nice height for a goalie' penalty kick? The lack of a full-time manager must explain his shocking penalty, mustn't it? Perhaps, personal responsibility for your performance might have a bearing too, eh, Stilyan?
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i only saw bits of it due to a shit stream but I see Davies is getting much of the blame. I can only say the first Rapid goal was down to Beye giving it away, Cuellar losing the aerial battle and Guzan being beaten on his near post. And the second was mostly down to Guzan's fuck up.
So you didn't see how the corner they scored from came about? Davies is a yard from the side line hoofs the ball out for a corner over the top of our own crossbar. If it wasn't a corner then it wouldn't have been a goal.
No I didn't see it, as I said I had a dodgy stream that stopped after the second equalizer. So he gave a corner away. The absolute c***. Should we shoot him do you reckon?
I think you really need to see it, to understand it wasn't just "giving away a corner" - which obviously happens a few times in every game. He could have rolled it in to touch quite easily, but chose to be 'clever' and turned back towards his own goal and fired the ball over our cross bar whilst trying to 'clip' the ball against their player.
Absolutely SHOCKING defending from a professional.
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Reflecting.......3 of the back 4 were utter shite.The distribution of Cuellar, Beye, and Davies was unacceptable at this level, and Collins was much better, needs to stop trying to play 40 yd balls.
NRC, not good enough i'm afraid, is good when he has'nt got the ball, but a liability when he has the ball.
Albrighton, is a wide player full stop.
Ireland and Petrov, thought they played well at times, but Ireland should play further foward for me, at least he is looking for a pass.
Ayoung...stop the diving, play more like you did in the 1st half, and you could be a cracking player.
Gabby.....please don't get injured the rest of the season.
Heskey/Carew.....we would be better off without both of them.
Kevin Mac....for me a decent man out of his depth, not a leader, does'nt inspire, not a leader.Good luck, but not as 1st team coach.
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Ah, does Petrov's comment about the lack of a managerial appointment affecting the team explain his one step penalty and his subsequent 'nice height for a goalie' penalty kick? The lack of a full-time manager must explain his shocking penalty, mustn't it? Perhaps, personal responsibility for your performance might have a bearing too, eh, Stilyan?
It would definitely have affected who stepped up to take it.
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Serious decline? Have you people heard yourselves.
Ok, we took a hammering versus Newcastle, and we lost tonight. Tonight doesn't count as 'decline' as we exit the tournament in the same round against the same team we did last year.
So your basis of our 'serious decline' is one thrashing with a caretaker manager. I know there's going to be some overreaction after a loss, but some of you are bloody mental.
Have to disagree with you here mate. We are a bloody good manager and a 30million pound midfielder worse off than we were this time last year.
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every single one of these players that people are aiming their anger at is a MON signing. Like many MON sides, we are lacking in technique and intelligent footballers. The benefit for me is that he's gone. If the board make the right appointment, we can still move forward. We were shite tonight and K Mac is not the man. But we were putting in shite performances last season. I am still hopeful. Not for a champs league place or a great season, but for someone with real nouse to take us on and develop us further. I don't understand picking on the board. They backed our previous manager more than any other villa manager and look at the team that was assembled. No wonder they are taking their time. I am not saying they are perfect, but if I ran a business and spunked 100m to get effectively nothing for it, I might take a little time myself in finding the next person to run it.
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I really don't understand the Heskey hatred. He scored a goal, great reactions but people just concentrate on a snapshot reaction to a very poor penalty. I thought he played well tonight, held the ball well, won some free kicks in good positions.
Ireland had a great first hour, not one misplaced pass, very inventive. Disappeared badly though.
Davies was fucking shite, mind.
Heskey was our best player tonight. Sadly, he was playing his career in a microcosm. So good with headers, crossing, passing and winning free kicks but utterly inept in front of goal.
Errrm, you know he scored?
Yes it's odd, he not only scored, he won the penalty too, so he had two extremely important contributions to the game, and he's the one getting so much stick?
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i only saw bits of it due to a shit stream but I see Davies is getting much of the blame. I can only say the first Rapid goal was down to Beye giving it away, Cuellar losing the aerial battle and Guzan being beaten on his near post. And the second was mostly down to Guzan's fuck up.
So you didn't see how the corner they scored from came about? Davies is a yard from the side line hoofs the ball out for a corner over the top of our own crossbar. If it wasn't a corner then it wouldn't have been a goal.
No I didn't see it, as I said I had a dodgy stream that stopped after the second equalizer. So he gave a corner away. The absolute c***. Should we shoot him do you reckon?
Sorry, he didn't just give away the corner they scored from, he gifted it to them. He had no pressure, he could have turned and played the ball up the field, he could have played the ball to Beye, he could have turned and tapped the ball out for a throw. Instead he just blasts it towards our goal from 35 yards out two yards from the bye line. It wasn't even a back pass as it was 20 yards over the bar.
It wasn't the first cock up he made in the game and we were lucky the other didn't lead to goals. Clearing header straight up into the air with no pressure. Awful clearance under no pressure which leads to a dangerous free kick.
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I have not felt this low about Villa for years. Lerner has gotta turn this round very quickly. Not Macs fault he is totally out of his depth. He wouldn't motivate my 5yr old. Sven on a 1yr contract. Steady the ship and bring some loan players in ..............
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I think the 5 year plan finishes in the Championship. I honestly don't think we'll see European football at VP again for quite some time. We are in serious decline!!!
Let's hope we don't see European football at VP for a while because we just disgrace ourselves every time we enter. It was over 10 years ago we actually had a decent run in Europe.
We just need to make sure we stay up this season.
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And something else while we're at it.
James Collins -yes thats right kids , the fucking central defender - showed more movement, more inventiveness and more intelligence in a forward role than our 60k a week recently retired international striker.
You tell me whats wrong about that.
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Curtis Davies - MON must be laughing his socks off, your moaning about not have a fair chance under MON - the way you played last two games sums up why you were not given a chance - Cant head a ball and the corner you gave away was simply shocking
Guzan, Beye, Davies - Not good enough.
We all face a very frustrating season, why do we bother chasing a European place to then put in the second string ?
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I really don't understand the Heskey hatred. He scored a goal, great reactions but people just concentrate on a snapshot reaction to a very poor penalty. I thought he played well tonight, held the ball well, won some free kicks in good positions.
Ireland had a great first hour, not one misplaced pass, very inventive. Disappeared badly though.
Davies was fucking shite, mind.
Heskey was our best player tonight. Sadly, he was playing his career in a microcosm. So good with headers, crossing, passing and winning free kicks but utterly inept in front of goal.
Errrm, you know he scored?
Yes it's odd, he not only scored, he won the penalty too, so he had two extremely important contributions to the game, and he's the one getting so much stick?
I did say he was our best player! There are lots more deserving contenders for stick.
Fuck. I'm depressed.
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so, we spend 2 years complaining that the manager is wrong to keep playing people out of position. So, the manager goes and what does his replacement do ?
The club appears to be shambolic and lacking leadership from top to bottom.
Lerner is quickly going to lose all of the wonderful plaudits he has rightly earned in the last 4 years.
It will count for shit if we don't appoint the right man and quickly.
Confidence on the pitch and in KM has evaporated. I fear Everton will tear us a new one on Sunday, and then there is a two week break...not a good situation to be in.
Proud history.......bright future, I sincerley hope so, but I'm starting to fear the worst.
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I am normally the most placid person in the world however I am currently apoplectic.
Guzan - doesn't fill me with confidence and I don't see him as a replacement for big Brad.
Beye - caught in possession and gave the ball away to many times.
Davies - wouldn't even make a pub team. What was he thinking when he gave the corner away? The only thing tight about our defence was his arsehole when the ball came near him.
Cuellar - played ok but is not a right back.
Collins - glad he was back but needs Dunne alongside him.
Petrov - Definately not a penalty taker. Wasted the opportunity. Needs to sort out where he fits in with Ireland. From what I saw Ireland seemed to be playing holding role.
Ireland - Some nice touches but was too ineffective due to playing too deep.
Reo-coker - Still can't pass a ball to a villa player.
Young - Caused them problems and great cross for gabbys goal. Really needs to work hard on free kicks or give the job someone else. Needs to control his temper.
Heskey - Tried hard and got on the scoresheet.
Gabby - Showed how much we missed him up front.
Albrighton - looked good but can't be expected to do it all on his own.
We threw that game away and I will be fuming if we don't buck up on Sunday. I reserve my right to rant as I am going on Sunday as a paying punter.
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Curtis Davies - MON must be laughing his socks off
He might quietly reflect for a moment that it was another one of his overpriced purchases. And when I say purchases, I mean failures. And when I say failures, I mean pants-on-head insanity that would fully justify Randy not trusting the crazy hyperactive midget with another penny.
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Struggling to find the right words and adjectives to describe possibly one of the most worrying and inept performances I've ever witnessed and the most baffling team selection....
I KNOW it's so early in the season and you shouldn't get too carried away with results one way or another but I for one am SERIOUSLY worried for the forthcoming campaign as things stand.
With no manager, no signings apart from Ireland (who was head and shoulders above anyone on the pitch tonight) and a total loss of confidence, team shape and tactical awareness the word "crisis" does feel apt right now.
I've seen some real rubbish down the Villa over the years and make no mistake Sunday's shocker and tonight leave the current Villa squad as being right up there with them....this is no over reaction and yes I am hurting and I am furious having just got home having seen that but I've been worried for a while the way things seem to be going.
Big action required and extremely rapidly.
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I said after the West Ham game, that we can't have a manager that is liked by the players. They have to respect and fear the manager, and KMac's just too nice.
It worried me when Petrov said that he didn't shout or moan after the Newcastle game, just calmly told them where he thought they'd gone wrong.
Well now would be a good time for a long and loud MON style rant.
KMac's a nice guy and we should thank him for taking the reins in an emergency, but now we need a new Manager to steady the ship and deliver a nice, safe mid-table finish, before re-building for next season.
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Again, it's costly mistakes which see's us out of Europe... not necessarily us playing 'shit' so to say. Rapid were awful first-half and we deserved our lead; second-half we rode our luck a little in missing vital chances, I said to myself after the penalty miss "fate always is right, Rapid are gonna punish us for not taking our chances", indeed that did happen. I have no idea what is happening to our defence, it was the 3rd best in the league last season, what a contrast it is and we're already 3 games into the new season.
Ah well, I doubt we'd have taken the competition seriously anyway to be honest and tonight has shown Macdonald isn't the right man to be manager. One thing I will say though is that Everton and spurs iin recent years have had very poor starts to the season and they've turned it around so I think we should keep the faith!
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Listen, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose but the sheer bloody incompetence out there tonight was breathtaking. It was like watching the England performance against Germany where you are shaking your head at the madness of it. People were making mistakes that they wouldn't have made when they were eight years old, it was totally bizarre....and yet, weirdly predictable.
Vienna must be lauging their collective bollocks' off.
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Curtis Davies - MON must be laughing his socks off, your moaning about not have a fair chance under MON
He was poor I agree. But it was MON who thought he was worth 8 million quid.
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Anybody any idea what formation we were playing today. Three midfield players with none playing a holding role. No width from a side that has played with wide players for the last four years. The side lacked discipline and organisation and that sadly is down to the manager. May of course end up being a blessing if it wakes the board up.
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A right back at left back
A centre back at right back
Heskey in the B6 post code, let alone on the pitch
Absolutely zero threat up front. Zero.
One of the worst centre halves I've seen in decades.
No manager
No signings
Chairman "waiting till after the Everton game" to offer KM the first interview BEFORE interviewing other people.
This club is an absolute fucking shambles right now. If we are going to stop being a shambles, Lerner MUST act very, very soon.
You've said it all for me mate.
Im furious, Im at my Girlfriends mothers her sister started laughing I had to go for a walk to calm down or risk a spot of bother. Heskey really is a fucking donkey. How the fuck did he miss that re-bound? (im not letting Petrov off either) What a shit fucking pen in the first place.
I really hoped that there WERE players in Beye, Davies, NRC but there just isnt, Fucking woeful the lot of them. O'neill has a lot to answer for!!!
How long till Ash asks for a transfer?
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A disgrace - on the back of a 6 - 0 rinsing by a championship side.
The biggest disgrace was the body language of the 11 players on the pitch - they looked like they couldnt give a flying fuck.
Not been this annoyed for a very long time.
We have been riding the crest of the optimism of a new owner and MON.
Thats long gone now - I am very worried.
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To play in europe year in year out you need 2 of everything-at least
Playing Beye at left back was as bad a decision as MON ever used to make
Beye can only play right back yet we play a centre back there
3 mistakes
3 goals
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Struggled to get 2-1 up and all that experience went out of the window. No discipline, few ideas, no one taking responsibility and major basic errors from supposedly professional and experienced players.
They played like a load of kids, perhaps that reflects their manager.
The tie was lost in the away leg, we gave them too little respect, tonight even when down they had the bottle to come back and wipe the floor with us again.
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And anyone see Man City's bench tonight?
They put their 'rested' players on the bench. In case of emergency I assume?
So where were Carew, Downing, Sidwell etc?
If injured fair do's. If not, another inexperienced managers mistake.
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Curtis Davies - MON must be laughing his socks off, your moaning about not have a fair chance under MON
He was poor I agree. But it was MON who thought he was worth 8 million quid.
To be fair, there were very few Villa fans disagreeing at the time.
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Why so many changes when O'Neill got so much stick for doing the same in previous Uefa Cup outings? McDonald could have picked the complete first team, gone through, then reap the praise from fans who hated O'Neill's policy of playing second string players in Europe.
It just shows how naive and clueless McDonald is, and the scary thing is, is that he's the so called favourite for the job.
God help us!!
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Well thats it... ive seen enough ....my experience of KMcD is as no 2 to steve staunton during a wreckless ! 2 years with ireland..... and i watched dunney play like paul mcshane only worse....... it was awful stuff and stevie irelands daft carry on only added to the madness.
Im still a fully committed ( yes im writing from my hospital bed hahahaha...) MON fan. Randy and the general are learning the hard way. Its worse than 'Nam General, its goin to be a bloodbath...but im sure youll get the last chopper..you guys always do. No amount of soft soap on this site will appease these commie bastards.
Seriously though ! all the MON knockers or those who sat on the fence ( a fair number of this sites contributors ) all last year have to take their share of the blame. You'd want to be stupid to keep bursting a gut to make the top 4 with such a thankless and short-sighted bunch of "fans". And MON is not stupid.
Yanks cannot grasp the idea of a football club, certainly not in the sense that it means to people in Britain and ireland
Why is a city of several millions so unsuccessful in the last 25 years - why are the fans so gloomy - im following villa for 25 years and last season was give or take the most satisfying - OK so after years of Dougs profit taking - every year a dividend for shareholders - we spent a bit of cash - signed a few ringers - overpaid a few dopes -
Money saved is a false positive - consumer confidence is vital - were on the ropes - it will take more than Jol or some other chancer to get it back.
St Malachys last post ( until MON returns that is )
Goodbye all - its been interesting ... not !
I ll try villatalk - its got to be better ( trialist my arse ! )
You can say fuck off and good riddance if you like - I wont be reading it - no offence taken (or given)
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Again managers just do not learn!
Why play players out of position… why?
Beye has never played left-back, Carlos does not want to play right-back, Reo has been tried right-midfield before and it didn’t work. Yet another defensive pairing of Collins and Davies, never played together before (I don’t think), where was Albrighton actually playing?
The thing is its not all doom and gloom, just play players in their proper positions, it really isn’t rocket science.
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Luke Young-----------------Collins-----------------------Dunne----------------------------------Warnock
---------------------------------Reo---------------------------Petrov---------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------Ireland-------------------------------------------------------------
Albrighton------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Young
-----------------------------------------------Gabby (Delf)-------------------------------------------------------
Personally I think that side is more than good enough but unfortunately it will never happen because I am just a Villa fan and obviously knows absolutely nothing about football.
By the way sorry KMac you haven’t got a clue!
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And anyone see Man City's bench tonight?
They put their 'rested' players on the bench. In case of emergency I assume?
So where were Carew, Downing, Sidwell etc?
If injured fair do's. If not, another inexperienced managers mistake.
And Delfounso didn't come on till it was too late, when he should have replaced Gabby on 30 minutes.
Absolutely farcical. If this man gets the job we're fucked.
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Was it me or did Guzan slip as he was making the save from their equiliser?
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Well thats it... ive seen enough ....my experience of KMcD is as no 2 to steve staunton during a wreckless ! 2 years with ireland..... and i watched dunney play like paul mcshane only worse....... it was awful stuff and stevie irelands daft carry on only added to the madness.
Im still a fully committed ( yes im writing from my hospital bed hahahaha...) MON fan. Randy and the general are learning the hard way. Its worse than 'Nam General, its goin to be a bloodbath...but im sure youll get the last chopper..you guys always do. No amount of soft soap on this site will appease these commie bastards.
Seriously though ! all the MON knockers or those who sat on the fence ( a fair number of this sites contributors ) all last year have to take their share of the blame. You'd want to be stupid to keep bursting a gut to make the top 4 with such a thankless and short-sighted bunch of "fans". And MON is not stupid.
Yanks cannot grasp the idea of a football club, certainly not in the sense that it means to people in Britain and ireland
Why is a city of several millions so unsuccessful in the last 25 years - why are the fans so gloomy - im following villa for 25 years and last season was give or take the most satisfying - OK so after years of Dougs profit taking - every year a dividend for shareholders - we spent a bit of cash - signed a few ringers - overpaid a few dopes -
Money saved is a false positive - consumer confidence is vital - were on the ropes - it will take more than Jol or some other chancer to get it back.
St Malachys last post ( until MON returns that is )
Goodbye all - its been interesting ... not !
I ll try villatalk - its got to be better ( trialist my arse ! )
You can say fuck off and good riddance if you like - I wont be reading it - no offence taken (or given)
I didn't understand a word of that!
Are you on medication?
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that was absolutley awful, i got wet for that shower of shite !!!
sorry k mac u aint up to it.
having young and warnock and dunne both injured didnt help but he got that totally wrong tonight
there was no width at all, and me and my mate could see that from the 10th min
he had ireland dm and reo coker attacking ?????????
it was so easy to know what to do
petrov and reo holding, young and gabby / albrighton on wide, ivanhoe up front with ireland behind, ireland was wasted tonight
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Ashley Young worries me as much as anyone. He's gone from the most exciting player I've seen a VP in years to complete fucking garbage in 2 seasons.
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Well thats it... ive seen enough ....my experience of KMcD is as no 2 to steve staunton during a wreckless ! 2 years with ireland..... and i watched dunney play like paul mcshane only worse....... it was awful stuff and stevie irelands daft carry on only added to the madness.
Im still a fully committed ( yes im writing from my hospital bed hahahaha...) MON fan. Randy and the general are learning the hard way. Its worse than 'Nam General, its goin to be a bloodbath...but im sure youll get the last chopper..you guys always do. No amount of soft soap on this site will appease these commie bastards.
Seriously though ! all the MON knockers or those who sat on the fence ( a fair number of this sites contributors ) all last year have to take their share of the blame. You'd want to be stupid to keep bursting a gut to make the top 4 with such a thankless and short-sighted bunch of "fans". And MON is not stupid.
Yanks cannot grasp the idea of a football club, certainly not in the sense that it means to people in Britain and ireland
Why is a city of several millions so unsuccessful in the last 25 years - why are the fans so gloomy - im following villa for 25 years and last season was give or take the most satisfying - OK so after years of Dougs profit taking - every year a dividend for shareholders - we spent a bit of cash - signed a few ringers - overpaid a few dopes -
Money saved is a false positive - consumer confidence is vital - were on the ropes - it will take more than Jol or some other chancer to get it back.
St Malachys last post ( until MON returns that is )
Goodbye all - its been interesting ... not !
I ll try villatalk - its got to be better ( trialist my arse ! )
You can say fuck off and good riddance if you like - I wont be reading it - no offence taken (or given)
I didn't understand a word of that!
Are you on medication?
Its MON ;-)
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Yes good point, Why was NRC further forward than Ireland??
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I can't believe what I've seen tonight - I'm not very good at football, but I know how to kick the fucking ball into Row Z!!
Guzan - Not good enough.
Beye - Not a left back, what the hell was he doing there?! Obvious from the first kick he was going to struggle there, why did he remain there for 90 minutes?!
Davies - No comment, words escape me to describe his performances in a Villa shirt.
Collins - Poor bloke!
Cuellar - Couldn't cross the bleedin road!
Petrov - Fuck off.
Ireland - Needs to be further forward in place of Ashley 'No end product' Young
Ashley Young - See above. Needs to lose the attitude and start producing.
Reo-Coker - Your teammates are the ones in Claret and Blue
Allbrighton - Keep your chin up son
Heskey - Tried tonight, but not good enough.
Agbonlahor - PLEASE stay fit!
KMac - Thanks for helping us out of a tight spot, but no thanks. I know he's doing the club a favour, but that little post match smirk after we've just been battered twice really annoys me!
Randy - What the fuck are you doing?! Or more to the point, WHY aren't you doing!?
Not looking forward to Sunday. Cahill's going into my Fantasy Football team! :(
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that was absolutley awful, i got wet for that shower of shite !!!
I didn't think it was that exciting myself.
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he had ireland dm and reo coker attacking ?????????
that was worrying
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I got absolutely slated for calling Mr Lerner Young Doug recently. But I am sorry, he is showing all those attributes now. He was dying for Macdonald to make up his mind so he could give him the job - saving compensation to anyone else and also no money to be spent in the entire main transfer window - I reckon that must be a first for any Premier League club since the transfer window came in.
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Well thats it... ive seen enough ....my experience of KMcD is as no 2 to steve staunton during a wreckless ! 2 years with ireland..... and i watched dunney play like paul mcshane only worse....... it was awful stuff and stevie irelands daft carry on only added to the madness.
Im still a fully committed ( yes im writing from my hospital bed hahahaha...) MON fan. Randy and the general are learning the hard way. Its worse than 'Nam General, its goin to be a bloodbath...but im sure youll get the last chopper..you guys always do. No amount of soft soap on this site will appease these commie bastards.
Seriously though ! all the MON knockers or those who sat on the fence ( a fair number of this sites contributors ) all last year have to take their share of the blame. You'd want to be stupid to keep bursting a gut to make the top 4 with such a thankless and short-sighted bunch of "fans". And MON is not stupid.
Yanks cannot grasp the idea of a football club, certainly not in the sense that it means to people in Britain and ireland
Why is a city of several millions so unsuccessful in the last 25 years - why are the fans so gloomy - im following villa for 25 years and last season was give or take the most satisfying - OK so after years of Dougs profit taking - every year a dividend for shareholders - we spent a bit of cash - signed a few ringers - overpaid a few dopes -
Money saved is a false positive - consumer confidence is vital - were on the ropes - it will take more than Jol or some other chancer to get it back.
St Malachys last post ( until MON returns that is )
Goodbye all - its been interesting ... not !
I ll try villatalk - its got to be better ( trialist my arse ! )
You can say fuck off and good riddance if you like - I wont be reading it - no offence taken (or given)
Christ. I agree mate (apart from Villatalk - I never liked Nazi's or being told what to do)
MON always gave you the confidence you could bounce back from a shit result.
Remember losing 7-1 at Chelsea and still thinking 'Yeah! We COULD do em in the semi!"
Well, I don't feel that any more.
BUT I hate the prick for leaving when he did.
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Yes good point, Why was NRC further forward than Ireland??
you could see from where i was sat ireland was itching to get forward, he done what he could tonight, asked for the ball, received it, had a look, passed it off, moved to a new position, didnt get it back.....
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I said last week he was an idiot playing the second string....
Why so many changes when O'Neill got so much stick for doing the same in previous Uefa Cup outings? McDonald could have picked the complete first team, gone through, then reap the praise from fans who hated O'Neill's policy of playing second string players in Europe.
It just shows how naive and clueless McDonald is, and the scary thing is, is that he's the so called favourite for the job.
God help us!!
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Ashley Young worries me as much as anyone. He's gone from the most exciting player I've seen a VP in years to complete fucking garbage in 2 seasons.
Very harsh.
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Yes good point, Why was NRC further forward than Ireland??
Because he is too stupid to understand what his role is and to perform to anything like an acceptable standard? Actually, I don't know, that was just a random, off the wall guess...
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Yes good point, Why was NRC further forward than Ireland??
you could see from where i was sat ireland was itching to get forward, he done what he could tonight, asked for the ball, received it, had a look, passed it off, moved to a new position, didnt get it back.....
Personally, i thought he didn't look that interested
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i am really worried!
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Luke Young-----------------Collins-----------------------Dunne----------------------------------Warnock
---------------------------------Reo---------------------------Petrov---------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------Ireland-------------------------------------------------------------
Albrighton------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Young
-----------------------------------------------Gabby (Delf)-------------------------------------------------------
Personally I think that side is more than good enough but unfortunately it will never happen because I am just a Villa fan and obviously knows absolutely nothing about football.
By the way sorry KMac you haven’t got a clue!
Have to agree, with the players we have available, surely that formation is the obvious solution to our current woes, and more than capable of getting us some good results, saved me some typing too ;)
This week has been incredibly dissappointing, and frankly embarrassing, i hope unlike MON the board have a plan B, because clearly plan A, Kmac is potentially disastrous. I can accept we need to rebuild, especially after the money wasted on the shower of shit MON left behind, with a few exceptions of course, but randy really needs to pull something out the bag big time on the manager front, why he has left it till the day before the transfer window closes is however beyond me.
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and another thing, whos fucking idea was it to let stylian sideways cant shoot petrov take a fucking penalty ?????????
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and another thing, whos fucking idea was it to let stylian sideways cant shoot petrov take a fucking penalty ?????????
He's the undroppable captain
He can't head and really tackle or Muscle but he is our DM
Christ on a bike
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Just back after a few at the pub. Simply dreadful. As regular forumistas know I have long thought that Petrov had been conning us for some time, tonight just confirmed it for me.
As for KMac, if you want the job, you take it straight away - i'll take your diffidence as a no.
We are in trouble. All the hard work of 6th place wasted, a wasted transfer window both in and out, and unsurprisingly a disillusoned squad. The managerial options are narrowing fast. Rijkaard was my preferred choice, now it looks like Sven.
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That tonight was the footballing equivalent of a supply teacher having the piss royally taken out of him by 11 naughty boys. Total and utter bollocks.
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That tonight was the footballing equivalent of a supply teacher having the piss royally taken out of him by 11 naughty boys. Total and utter bollocks.
Ha ha ha, post of the night!
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There was one point where Ireland gave the ball to NRC then moved into space to receive it back but Nigel the thick fucker tried to take on the full back on and ran it out for a goal kick
No wonder Ireland lost interest he must be thinking why the fuck didn't I take the blue pill (matrix joke)
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Right I have not seen any of this game, so I am taking the result alone. That is unacceptable and we need a proper manager now.
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Right I have not seen any of this game, so I am taking the result alone. That is unacceptable and we need a proper manager now.
Lucky you, im so glad im in wales sunday. Not gonna go near a tv or a radio im not having my weekend ruined again
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and another thing, whos fucking idea was it to let stylian sideways cant shoot petrov take a fucking penalty ?????????
It wasn't so long ago we had 5 or 6 potential penalty takers.
As soon as we were given it tonight I thought "Christ, please, not Heskey, not Young, not Reo, Petrov, not Ireland, not Albrighton, etc"
Collins can strike a ball, prob would've given it to him. Or Downing if playing.
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There was one point where Ireland gave the ball to NRC then moved into space to receive it back but Nigel the thick fucker tried to take on the full back on and ran it out for a goal kick
No wonder Ireland lost interest he must be thinking why the fuck didn't I take the blue pill (matrix joke)
there was another where he played a superb ball into Heskey's path in the penalty area and we got a penalty, and then when Collins made a real hash of a simple clearance and he was the only one aware to the danger, closed the man down took the ball played it to Ireland who played it out to Young who crossed and that bloke who never scores strikers goals put it in like a true striker.
Still we all see games differently
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Ashley Young in a free role is a luxury we can not afford unfortunately.
Cuellar at right-back I can tolerate. Beye at left back - never again. Davies was poor again.
We should never be putting ourselves in a position where Heskey is playing as a lone striker.
We will need to be more disciplined and battle this season.
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I'm glad we sold our back up left back without another one in the club....
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Ashley Young in a free role is a luxury we can not afford unfortunately.
Cuellar at right-back I can tolerate. Beye at left back - never again. Davies was poor again.
We should never be putting ourselves in a position where Heskey is playing as a lone striker.
We will need to be more disciplined and battle this season.
So true about EH - never win games this way. Nobody listens.
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Can someone please explain why we pay good money every other week ? Is it to cheer on the lads to victory in the leaugue? Is the reason .... so we can finish in a high enough to gain a place for Europe? Then why not bother taking it seriously ??
Im trying to convince myself that its still worth turning up each week paying bloody good money and for what? Cos at the first hurdle we seem happy to throw it all away, maybe i should just sit at home and watch sky sports news and spend my wages on something else?
I have also seen & heard enough now of KevMac to know he isnt right for the job. he may be top draw coach but he sure isnt the next Villa manager. The post match interview on WM tonight was the final nail in the coffin for me, Im not expecting him to be a Barry Fry type (God forbid) but he just does not seem right man for the role.
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Just got back - what a strange and horrible game it was. There were so many "What the Fuck is going on" moments in that second half, that I lost count.
Anyway, fuck it - let's get a manager, and win the FA Cup, a proper trophy.
PS: The PA system in the Upper Holte was shit - who was the 99 year old bloke they were cheering?
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I'm glad we sold our back up left back without another one in the club....
I know
We're looking very Amateur hour-after MON's beautiful timing
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For some reason I knew Petrov was going to miss... he never really looked that confident. In future we should just let either Ireland or Young take penalties because we can cross out Carew's and Petrov's name now.
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There was one point where Ireland gave the ball to NRC then moved into space to receive it back but Nigel the thick fucker tried to take on the full back on and ran it out for a goal kick
No wonder Ireland lost interest he must be thinking why the fuck didn't I take the blue pill (matrix joke)
there was another where he played a superb ball into Heskey's path in the penalty area and we got a penalty, and then when Collins made a real hash of a simple clearance and he was the only one aware to the danger, closed the man down took the ball played it to Ireland who played it out to Young who crossed and that bloke who never scores strikers goals put it in like a true striker.
Still we all see games differently
I was talking more about Ireland than NRC. NRC did play a good ball for the pen I agree but his awareness is very lacking at time's. He's also very clumbsy and shouldn't be playing further forward than Ireland
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PS: The PA system in the Upper Holte was shit - who was the 99 year old bloke they were cheering?
Petrov past 70 minutes?
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Just back - can't be arsed to read the rest of the thread I am that pissed off with that pathetic showing.
Kamikaze defending at its finest. Curtis Davies truly is a pub player and should never wear a Villa shirt again - why hoof the ball towards your own goal when you're 2 feet from the touchline ffs? Beye wasn't much better - even when you're out of your normal position you should be able to pass to your own player 3 yards away.
After Sunday's game I said that Carew's penalty miss was the worst I'd seen. Clearly there's a competition within the squad to outdo that. Why was Petrov taking it? Why only one step 'run up' then comfortable height with no power. And how did Heskey miss the follow up? And why have Ashes set-pieces deteriorated so badly again?
The line-up was weird tonight too - why was Ireland playing so deep; why was Ash playing so central - we had no real width until Marc Albrighton came on? I'm sorry KMcD - I know you've been a fantastic coach at the club for 16 years but a PL team manager you are not.
On the positive side - Marc Albrighton was a breath of fresh air. It was good to see Gabby back (hope his injury isn't serious). And the game was full value for the price of my ticket - £0
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Indeed, it's some indictment when you feel that we missed Nicky Shorey - I can't inagine him being as badly exposed for two of the goals like Habib Daze was.
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CJ ...Please do not offend us pub players we're nowhere near as bad as C Davies
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Indeed, it's some indictment when you feel that we missed Nicky Shorey - I can't inagine him being as badly exposed for two of the goals like Habib Daze was.
It's amazing that these prem players cannot play EVEN SLIGHTLY OUT OF POSITION WITHOUT DROPPING AMATEUR BOLLOCKS
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When Gabby went off - and replaced by Alrighton - it would have made sense to all but the current management to put Albrighton on the right side - push Ash more to the left side and we could have put pressure on them when we were 1-0 up.
We started the 2nd half passing the ball across the back 4 with no obvious targets up front. No wonder Rapid sat and waited for their chance. If KMac is such a good coach surely he could see that?
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Right having read the thread, this is unfuckingacceptable. M'ON fucked us over two and a half weeks ago, we need some action. Losing 6-0 to Newcastle and now this, completely dreadful.
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PS: The PA system in the Upper Holte was shit - who was the 99 year old bloke they were cheering?
Petrov past 70 minutes?
Petrov past kick-off?
I can't believe how many times this man can pass a ball sideways and backwards. He's not good enough. NRC should be playing alongside Ireland.
Ireland, incidentally, seems to be a bit of a lazy git. I hope this is not having played for a long time.
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What a week. The laughing stock of English football at the moment. Useless tactics and no leadership or bottle on the pitch.
KMac is clearly not the answer after the last two performances - every game he has messed about with the back 4 and we have looked extremely vulnerable in all apart from WHam. Ireland a total waste when playing so deep.
I don't ever want to see Davies, Beye, NRC or Heskey again - what a waste of money.
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Reo-Coker did ok with through balls on certain occassions but you always feel the attack is about to lose impetus when he gets possession. He's just very cumbersome on the ball - I could have sworn at Wimbledon and West Ham he was a fearless marauder with a bit of skill. He's either been very low on confidence for a long time or he just isn't really that good.
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I'm starting to think that there was some ulterior motive tonight.....
As we've got this retarded premise of playing our reserves in European matches (even though we've been busting a gut the whole of the previous season to get there?!), I think Beye and Davies did their best to get us knocked out so that they don't miss their Thursday night darts matches!
Guess it would also keep Davies fresh for his Sunday football match against the Pig & Drum!
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Tonight was just pathetic.
The atmosphere inside the ground from start to finish was on a par with a Cliff Richard concert before a change of catheter.
From the amount of time the ball spent moving from one side to the other I thought "Butch" Wilkins had found himself a job coaching the first team.
Curtis Davies said that he felt like a pub team player following his first game for Villa a few seasons ago - I've not spotted a change since. Even before that first corner there was a very bizarre clearance in the first half which just demonstrated a complete lack of confidence. He gets rid of the ball like its a red hot poker that somebody wants to shove up his arse (form a queue here)
Beye is just Beye - not seen anything different - left or right - its completely alien to him.
Guzan had lighters thrown at him last week - think they were just being helpful - felt like throwing him a torch myself this evening as he was obviously struggling to see in the dark!
Pluses would be Ireland - thought he was excellent throughout - lovely range of passing and didn't lose the ball once. But he must have been wondering WTF!!
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When Gabby went off - and replaced by Alrighton - it would have made sense to all but the current management to put Albrighton on the right side - push Ash more to the left side and we could have put pressure on them when we were 1-0 up.
We started the 2nd half passing the ball across the back 4 with no obvious targets up front. No wonder Rapid sat and waited for their chance. If KMac is such a good coach surely he could see that?
We did seem to lose our shape after Gabby went off.
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CJ ...Please do not offend us pub players we're nowhere near as bad as C Davies
lol! That actually cheered me up a bit!
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Just got back, way too fucked off to comment. Apart from, what the fuck is going at Aston Villa? And also, what exactly do they do at Bodymoor Heath?
So fucked off. Still in August and almost feel relieved I can't make the Everton game.
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Why was Delfounseo brought on as right-midfield? Surely A.Young goes there, or Albrighton with Young on the left.
4-3-3 wasn't working defensively and it should've been changed.
Davies and Beye are fucking awful, Guzan is clearly not good enough and there are no words to explain just how bad a player Emile Heskey is. How embarrassing that he still gets a game.
Petrov is too slow and shit.
We scored the first goal based on NRC running forward with the ball which created space. Why don't we do that more often rather than passing it back and forth between defenders and Petrov, then Collins tries to be playmaker and hoofs it forward.
Why didn't Albrighton get given the ball much more?
How long before A.Young decides he wants out?
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Reo-Coker did ok with through balls on certain occassions but you always feel the attack is about to lose impetus when he gets possession. He's just very cumbersome on the ball - I could have sworn at Wimbledon and West Ham he was a fearless marauder with a bit of skill. He's either been very low on confidence for a long time or he just isn't really that good.
At least he runs forward with the ball, something alien to Petrov.
I think Petrov missed the penalty as it was the first time he's kicked a ball forward.
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Well I am truely in a dark place right now!!!
I have followed the club for 24 of my 28 years and I have reached a complete malaise for football. I am never going to see us win the league and most likely never see us qualify for champs league.
I still had hope for the cups. But we just give up. Where the hel was warnock. Us fans want to win football matches if we won the Europa League and finshed 12th we would be delighted as we havent won anything for 12 years
To rest players tonigght was shambolic and it cost us with defensive calamaties
The board have to act either appoint mcdonald or come out and say we are looking elsewhere this club is becoming a joke!!
Its not good enough the players the staff and the board...... the fans deserve straight answers
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Thank god we are out, european opposition is too much for us...
All in all, a huge blessing in disguise...
I have to disagree completely. I wanted to watch Villa in Europe. Even if we played the kids. Even if we were crap. Even if we were pretty much dominated for 80 minutes like we were last week. I wanted that opportunity and this was the perfect time.
I've been denied that. I was disappointed when I left the pub. The rage is now growing.
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That line up tonight showed we as a "company" see the European tournament as a low priority. I love reading what the general has to say on the other thread. He talks a lot of sense and has to put up with some harsh questions. But seeing that tonight shows that he's not telling the whole truth about European games. There is just no way u can look at that team. A back four that as far as I can remember have never played with each other at a competitive level before. Davies and beye haven't played a proper game in how long?????
Maybe the board see European night as too costly. Gate receipts vs policing, electricity, staff and there's just no money in it. In which case why bother playing for a spot in the league. We might as well be just as pleased with the team finishing 10th instead of 6th because we just piss away the chance to progress when ever we get it. And probably a half decent manager too. Surely we would of been more of a pull to any potential cadidate if he can flex some European muscle. Instead we waste it and have a dull season ahead of us. The most entertaining thing about tonight was the rapid fans who didn't stop all night. I was THAT bored with what was going on on the pitch.
I'm so upset and disillusioned. Really really gutted. 9 goals in two games against us is not a nice thing to see.
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Just got back, way too fucked off to comment. Apart from, what the fuck is going at Aston Villa? And also, what exactly do they do at Bodymoor Heath?
So fucked off. Still in August and almost feel relieved I can't make the Everton game.
What they do at BMH at the moment is try to find the coaches, since most of them left 3 weeks ago and the ones who've stayed are only experienced at reserve and youth level.
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I am terrified about what Everton will do to us.
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Tonight was just pathetic.
The atmosphere inside the ground from start to finish was on a par with a Cliff Richard concert before a change of catheter.
From the amount of time the ball spent moving from one side to the other I thought "Butch" Wilkins had found himself a job coaching the first team.
Curtis Davies said that he felt like a pub team player following his first game for Villa a few seasons ago - I've not spotted a change since. Even before that first corner there was a very bizarre clearance in the first half which just demonstrated a complete lack of confidence. He gets rid of the ball like its a red hot poker that somebody wants to shove up his arse (form a queue here)
Beye is just Beye - not seen anything different - left or right - its completely alien to him.
Guzan had lighters thrown at him last week - think they were just being helpful - felt like throwing him a torch myself this evening as he was obviously struggling to see in the dark!
Pluses would be Ireland - thought he was excellent throughout - lovely range of passing and didn't lose the ball once. But he must have been wondering WTF!!
Nice one - pretty much what I was thinking.
But with better gags.
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KMac is in danger of being remembered as making MON look a genius. How things have changed so much since the opening day...just as well West Ham gave us too much respect.
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I am terrified about what Everton will do to us.
I have been saying this vienna scored their 3rd.
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I am terrified about what Everton will do to us.
I'm terrified to think what The Blues will do to us. Seriously.
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Utter, utter shit. KM is not and has never been the predecessor to MON. The calculated gamble Lerner & co made has/will not pay off and now they really need to deliver a very good manager. If they don't, the last 4 years will have been a waste of time and (Randy's) money. Over to them I guess.
The current complete lack of positivity surrounding the club is only comparable since the O Leary years. Scary.
Sorry to be pedantic but you mean successor not predecessor.
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There's a problem with Young and Ireland in the same team. A Young clearly wants to play in the middle (when he's better out wide) and Ireland is thus forced to play deeper (when he's better behind the striker).
If we had a striker, not a pathetic excuse for an over-paid, over-hyped tumbling bear.
Beye and Davies were a disaster waiting to happen. Three times.
Guzan should be shipped.
But, Ireland looks a quality player, Albrighton again looked decent (out wide that is, not as a striker) and Gabby showed that the team really needs him.
KMac should be honest with himself now and admit the manager job is probably beyond his abilities. We need someone in, but it really does have to be the right man.
Everton must be licking their lips at the thought of tearing into us on Sunday.
And... is it just me or is A Young turning into a bit of a prima donna?
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To be honest Des, I can only look at one game at a time at the moment. This is completely unacceptable, we have wasted two games with the wrong man in charge. I have no problem with Kevin Mac, but he is clearly not a top level manager.
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I am terrified about what Everton will do to us.
I'm terrified to think what The Blues will do to us. Seriously.
And every other team.
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The most entertaining thing about tonight was the rapid fans who didn't stop all night. I was THAT bored with what was going on on the pitch.
Bored?! What more do you want - goals galore, missed penalties...you wouldn't have got that kind of excitement at VP with MON. Kevin Mac for manager!!!
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Our back four resembled Laurel, Hardy, Abbott and Costello.
KM is a great coach and has done wonders for our Reserves but is not managerial material. Our board need to pull their collective fingers out.
Albrighton impressed.
NRC started well but faded. Thought Ireland did well.
Heskey. WHY?
My favourite moment was when the ballboy threw the ball back in to play straight in to the Rapid Vienna G-Ks face.
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Awful. No passion, no ideas, formation all over the place, no spirit. Just got home, got soaked and have not felt this bad about what I am seeing on the pitch for a long, long time. we can go on about MON leaving when he did but the Board needed to look forward straight away. They have had time to decide if they want to take a chance and go for Bob B, Klinsman or go for stability- Sven on a 1 yesr deal, or show they have ambition, go for Jol or similar and make it public. The silence is awful, the football is worse. Randy needs to sort things out and quick or we will be thrashed on Sunday.
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A defeat on Sunday might be from RL's view just about acceptable in the hope KM pulls another West ham performance out, you never know.
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just got back cant say a lot ---woeful display once Gabby went off i knew it was over,no pride, no passion,
Davies,Beye, Guzan, Heskey were all just garbage---if they get paid for tonight,s pathetic display its blinkin daylight robbery,
wtf was that back pass from Davies it flew over the bar??why oh why did Petrov take the pen and what was that 2 pace run up ---unbelievable--Guzan aint a premiership keeper,--no way.
What is occouring at our great club??it needs sorting and a manager appointed pretty dam quick,otherewise we are heading for freefall,----i, feel like looking for an excuse not to go Sunday--but will no doubt feel different in the morning,and trundle along--"forever hopeful"V.P. is becoming a morgue,it just aint right!!!
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I am terrified about what Everton will do to us.
Probably the worst side we could play right at this moment. Everton will fight for everything - based on current performance this could be messy
Off to Tenerife on Saturday so season ticket is going to a friend - he ain't going to be disappointed is he.
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Just got back, way too fucked off to comment. Apart from, what the fuck is going at Aston Villa? And also, what exactly do they do at Bodymoor Heath?
So fucked off. Still in August and almost feel relieved I can't make the Everton game.
What they do at BMH at the moment is try to find the coaches, since most of them left 3 weeks ago and the ones who've stayed are only experienced at reserve and youth level.
And so no one at the club, even the senior players, are capable of realising we are shit at defending crosses and working on it, as an example?
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I don't know where to start.. fucking useless.
My main thought is.. does Ashley Young own the club? He has freedom of the world. Every free kick, even when off form. Constantly in that free role, even though he & Albrighton wide was clearly the best idea after Gabby went off..
Why did we bother getting Ireland when we intend to use him as if he's Xabi Alonso. It would have been simply to play Young wide left, Albrighton wide right, Ireland behind Heskey with Stan & Reo behind him. THAT would make sense. So Mac, someone who clearly does know football does nothing like that. And decides Ashley Young is Ronaldo and Messi in one, so even when we bring on another striker - he gets deployed out wide so Young can continue his day. Young was our only real danger most of the game, yes, but it should have been deployed on the wing, with two strikers up top, and the defensive midfielders defending, with the attacking midfielder attacking.
Defence wise, Cuellar was Cuellar. Shoved at right back again and therefor made to look worse than he is. Collins was good, no complaint on him. Davies had good moments, like 'decent moments', then Disaster Davies showed up. Beye, again, first half he did well. Second half it got shown, his left foot is so bad he dillies and dallies to try and get it onto his right for a clearance. So.. maybe we shouldn't play a right back who genuinely struggles on the left.. on the left.
Oh, the penalty. Well done Stan for having the balls to take it when we're lacking a penalty taker, just a shame you're another without the stomach for it. Heskey could have bundled it, and we'd not remember the bad penalty, though.
Mac is not the man. He's a coach, good with talented kids. Terrible with real over-paid players. This "wait til after Everton, then interview Mac.. then maybe some others" thing is bullshit. Get Sven in. Or, hell, even Curbishley or Southgate in. Whoever can do the job from tomorrow with his team of coaches - get in. 1 or 2 year contract. Why? Because we need a manager of premiership standard who can steady this ship.
Tonight was a shambles. I'm genuinely worried about Sunday.
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Kenny huang stills wants to buy a prem club! Feel bad with myself but right now I would like Randy to sell up to an investor with cash to make us compete!
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Abject. Indefensively (no pun intended) awful.
I'm sorry Kev, much as I wanted to like you after all the good service you've put in for Villa over the years, but you're just not up to the job. And you know it yourself now, don't you. Please, tomorrow just tell Randy you're not interested and let us move on.
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I don't know what team/formation I would have picked tonight, but a good defensive display is what we should have been looking to achieve. Instead we conceded 3 goals.
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From another site: (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/Mark027/a47fyv.jpg)
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It now feels like a sick twist of fate that we've gone out to the same team at the same stage 2 years running - they own us now and the chances are we'll probably never meet them again in a serious competition.
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From the OS "...Heskey got a decisive touch with his chest to steer home..."
Surely they mean "Heskey had the ball whacked as hard as possible at him to deflect it in as this was the only way he was going to score"
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Tonight was awful, Guzan, Beye, Davies, Heskey... you simply cannot play these players together and expect to get a result. No width in the 2nd half, kept trying to play stupid passing through a crowded defence and when it did go wide we have a striker out there. The tactics and insistence on playing players out of position is ridiculous. Having said that, if we convert the penalty and the ref (who was shite most of the evening) had the balls to send their player off on the penalty it could have been a different story. Once again when we went behind the heads dropped, watching Petrov there was no leadership, nobody in the team or on the bench trying to lift them. It was pitiful. Everton will hammer us on Sunday, especially if we defend like we did tonight.
What is the board doing about a manager, it seems to me like we are waiting for the transfer window to close, so when the appointment does come we still wont be spending any money. Lerner has to get a grip of the situation fast, else i'll be hoping for someone other than Wigan and West Ham prove to be as poor as us.
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I am terrified about what Everton will do to us.
I'm terrified to think what The Blues will do to us. Seriously.
And every other team.
sunday - different team, different result
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Final word before I go to bed.
I'm suprised no one has suggested the only decent run by someone in a Villa shirt tonight was a 99 year old Sikh at half time.
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"I'm suprised no one has suggested the only decent run by someone in a Villa shirt tonight was a 99 year old Sikh at half time."
Curtis wouldn't have been able to handle it
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Final word before I go to bed.
I'm suprised no one has suggested the only decent run by someone in a Villa shirt tonight was a 99 year old Sikh at half time.
Gotta say that's a bit unfair to Marc Albrighton, even if his shot was pants.
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Final word before I go to bed.
I'm suprised no one has suggested the only decent run by someone in a Villa shirt tonight was a 99 year old Sikh at half time.
he was good. and his beard was amazing, but Beye, Guzan and especially Davies need fooking off, wages need to be saved, release these wasters from their contracts, money saved.
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Good luck trying to sell them, we've failed miserably so far. Guzan clearly is never going to be good enough to be number 1.
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Just skipped through the posts on here.
Lots of times I've wanted to quote and agree.
I'm utterly depressed and fed up with the current state of affairs. I understand Lerner was at the game. Let's hope he's here to appoint a manager worthy of the position and to deal in the transfer market.
The plus note, we worked it out that this defeat has saved us about £2,500.
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Just skipped through the posts on here.
Lots of times I've wanted to quote and agree.
I'm utterly depressed and fed up with the current state of affairs. I understand Lerner was at the game. Let's hope he's here to appoint a manager worthy of the position and to deal in the transfer market.
The plus note, we worked it out that this defeat has saved us about £2,500.
There you go Pauline that made me smile, I'm glad there is a positive!
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Just beginning to calm down after another shamobolic performance from the majority of our
overpaid players-
Simple truth of the matter was Rapid were better organised and wanted it more than us -
If Davies Beye Heskey never wear a Villa shirt again I won't cry any tears -
I have sympathy for Marc Albrighton who ran his socks off again and was the only
player who bothered to acknowledge the supporters who remained to final whistle-
We are becoming a comic club on and off the pitch - but I don't see many of us laughing-
Up till the last few days I have always thought highly of Randy Lerner - don't let us down
I'm dreading the visit of Everton on Sunday -
Can't see where the next win will come from -
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I'm in such a bad mood I can't sleep.
Jaws 3 really is an atrocious film! Now I'm on jarhead.
Next stop, subbing in Cahill in my fantasy football team I reckon!
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From the OS "...Heskey got a decisive touch with his chest to steer home..."
Surely they mean "Heskey had the ball whacked as hard as possible at him to deflect it in as this was the only way he was going to score"
He actually adjusted his body to deflect it home, he did his job tonight, he scored, he won a penalty, he does not deserve to be the scapegoat.
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im glad we aint playing blues next game. im ashamed to say
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From the OS "...Heskey got a decisive touch with his chest to steer home..."
Surely they mean "Heskey had the ball whacked as hard as possible at him to deflect it in as this was the only way he was going to score"
He actually adjusted his body to deflect it home, he did his job tonight, he scored, he won a penalty, he does not deserve to be the scapegoat.
Everybody deserves to be scapegoat tonight, from the players to the stewards.
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The plus note, we worked it out that this defeat has saved us about £2,500.
Completely depressed but that was the only redemption for me as well!
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Especially those selling alone after the match. Some lovely abuse was encountered.
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Just skipped through the posts on here.
Lots of times I've wanted to quote and agree.
I'm utterly depressed and fed up with the current state of affairs. I understand Lerner was at the game. Let's hope he's here to appoint a manager worthy of the position and to deal in the transfer market.
The plus note, we worked it out that this defeat has saved us about £2,500.
There you go Pauline that made me smile, I'm glad there is a positive!
Now, how many pairs of shoes can I get for that? ;-)
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Just beginning to calm down after another shamobolic performance from the majority of our
overpaid players-
Simple truth of the matter was Rapid were better organised and wanted it more than us -
If Davies Beye Heskey never wear a Villa shirt again I won't cry any tears -
I have sympathy for Marc Albrighton who ran his socks off again and was the only
player who bothered to acknowledge the supporters who remained to final whistle-
We are becoming a comic club on and off the pitch - but I don't see many of us laughing-
Up till the last few days I have always thought highly of Randy Lerner - don't let us down
I'm dreading the visit of Everton on Sunday -
Can't see where the next win will come from -
Agree completely 101 %
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Did anyone notice the ref sidling up alongside Petrov before the penalty? I think he told him that it would be ok if he took a longer run up.
What an embarrassment for legends watching tonight - Sid, Des, Tony Daley and John Deehan.
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Played with 2 wingers for the last 4 years. Tonight we started without anyone wide and were absolutely clueless on how to play the ball through the middle.
I thought we played like world beaters against West Ham, esp in the first half, and there is only 1 main difference between that, Sunday's stuffing and tonight....Milner not in the team
No one else , Petrov, NRC, back4 can come from deep and take on and beat players or anyone who constantly wants the ball to distribute it....the only 1 who used to do that was Milner
He, along with the manager are going to take some replacing
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We have every confidence that the proceeds from the Milner sale will be invested into the squad. Only problem is, who is actually looking around? I doubt that a caretaker manager will be authorised to spend that sort of money.
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I said it after we were knocked out of the same competition by this lot last year, and nothing has changed - we're not set up for European football. If by some miracle we qualify for Europe next season - which we almost certainly won't - can we just concede as soon as the draw is made? We're not up to it, and we know we're not up to it.
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I have such a bad feeling about the villa rigt now.
Why was there nobody on the post for the corner? Why did Petrov take such a poor penalty with no run up? That clearance from Davies that went over the bar, Habib Beye being utterly clueless at left back, why Ireland is playing behind NRC...I could go on and on and on.
We are in freefall and need a top manager in asap.
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Got back from the game some time after midnight and watched the recording of the last 20 minutes again, hoping that we weren't really as bad as I thought at the time. But we were - worse in fact. Another truly awful performance, for which not only the players but also KM's team selection and tactics must take the blame. Playing a right back at left back and a centre back at right back is straight out of the MON coaching manual. In Vienna we looked threatening down the flanks - so this time we played without wingers, or at least until the game was lost. People have said in this thread that Davies and Beye have had their last chance. Well so has KM.
As Pauline says, the only silver lining is the money we'll save on supporting Villa in Europe. The way things are going, there'll be no Europe next year either.
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This feels like B.Littles last few months . after all the good work . when it dont go our way . we turn on our own .
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I’m not surprised at all. I thought we’d lose and we did. Christ almighty but we have some piss poor players that O’Neill has brought to the club. Heskey, Guzan and then Beye and Davies in particular from tonight. You wouldn’t get a £100 in glue if we sent them to the knackers yard to be melted down.
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I really don't understand the Heskey hatred. He scored a goal, great reactions but people just concentrate on a snapshot reaction to a very poor penalty. I thought he played well tonight, held the ball well, won some free kicks in good positions.
You are joking I hope.
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Well a bit of a mess last night.
Some good points came out of it, Ireland looked very useful and actually has a good range of passes - some actually attempting to break the defense. I thought Heskey had an ok game but Delfounso should have come on once Gabby went off and Albrighton kept onthe bench - the wrong decision from the caretaker there, imo. We lost a lot of forward momentum and there's no doubt what Gabby brings to the team.
Young started to annoy me with his petulance - he's got so much going for him but the soft dives and arm throwing start to irk after awhile. He was trying his best to make an impact and I feel for him at the same time but there's better ways of hurting a team.
Let's face it all 3 of their goals came from basic definding mistakes by two guys - Davies and Beye. I've no idea what either one of them was thinking - Have they never heard that gret defensive art called putting it in Row Z ? What the hell was Davies thinking off ? Turning and hammering the ball out for a corner ? Why not out for a throw in - I mean he actually had to do a Cryuff like turn to do that. Dreadful. Neither one of them good enough - Cuellar should have been in the middle with Collins. Whay have we had so many problems with fullbacks over the last few years ?
W'eve been left with a bit of a mess but without these simple mistakes we weren't that bad and what can you do about stupid, basic defensive mistakes ?
And don't get me started on the penalty. The minute you see any player do a single step up you know what's going to happen. Professional footballers, one can't hit a target from 12 yards and one can't put any power behind a shot from 12 yards.
We've brought on our own downfall in the last two games against mediocre sides. It's not good enough.
What exactly is Lerner doing as well ?
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I really don't understand the Heskey hatred. He scored a goal, great reactions but people just concentrate on a snapshot reaction to a very poor penalty. I thought he played well tonight, held the ball well, won some free kicks in good positions.
You are joking I hope.
I too thought he led the line well. Won a penalty, created a chance that Reo-Coker dribbled wide, scored what should have been the winner. We all know his limitations but he was one of the better performers on the night.
The issue was not so much individual performances but the team was poorly set-up - I'm not sure the midfield were sure where they were playing - no width for much of the game. As a consequence the team lacked discipline - the back four and goalkeeper were nervous throughout leading to catastrophic mistakes for all the goals - the only 3 opportunites Rapid created.
Sadly the manager is not a manager at this level. His interview after the game was barely a whisper and spoke of a man who knew the game was up.
Get Sven in for 12 months to steady the ship - he has the right experience and has worked with Dunne and Ireland before.
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I've just had a flashback to Curtis Davies conceding a corner from having possession on the half-way line.
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Agree nick but no point giving Sven 12 months - give him 3 yrs and a fair crack at it.
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Have to say I was totally gutted by this result.
Having gone 2-1 in front there is no way that we should have thrown that game away. Am I right in thinking Rapid had three shots on target all night? Its just desparate, and now means that all the efforts of last season - gaining sixth place and qualifying for the Europa League - mean nothing now. A whole season wasted.
And thank you very much O'Neill you bastard for walking when you did. Absolute cowardly.
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There was one point where Ireland gave the ball to NRC then moved into space to receive it back but Nigel the thick fucker tried to take on the full back on and ran it out for a goal kick
No wonder Ireland lost interest he must be thinking why the fuck didn't I take the blue pill (matrix joke)
there was another where he played a superb ball into Heskey's path in the penalty area and we got a penalty, and then when Collins made a real hash of a simple clearance and he was the only one aware to the danger, closed the man down took the ball played it to Ireland who played it out to Young who crossed and that bloke who never scores strikers goals put it in like a true striker.
Still we all see games differently
You certainley do as Collins mistake was on the stroke of half time and Gabby scored after 20 minutes.
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Seeing Fonz shoved out wide and Collins shoved up front for the last 10 mins, convinced me that Kmac did'nt have much of a clue what he was doing. A new manager really can't come quick enough, preferably before sunday or it could be a bit of a dark day.
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You can't really fault Heskey's efforts or commitment but he isn't really up to scratch is he? Particularly as a lone striker. I think it says it all that our only striker doesn't take the pen.
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I think Petrov missed the penalty as it was the first time he's kicked a ball forward.
Did you miss his first time pass to Young for the goal, and his chance off the post before Heskeys fluke.
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it's a complete shambles at the moment, but I think talk of an O'Leary-esque decline is too much. The set of players we have are decent enough (and better than 4 years ago) and it is only Man City of our immediate rivals which have bought lots of new players.
With a new manager, coherent selection, strong leadership and consistent messages to the players as to what they're meant to be doing, we should still be challenging for 5-8th places.
This is obvious isn't it? So why doesn't it seem so for Lerner et al?
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what a second half eh? as soon as we kicked off i said we'd have trouble on the wings tonight, particuarly with beye, not using his left until he scored, defense dont trust guzan. ireland looked sloppy and davies cant concentrate or think for himself. cuellar's not a right back id rather have given lichaj a run and put cuellar in the middle with collins. when albrighton come on are tactics went tits up. young tried to play on his self far too many times. hate to be negative but we need a new manager cus kev mac doesnt know tactics or have the experiance at this level. dont think he's got any ambition for managing at this level else he would of said from the start
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It was weird, we looked kind of in control, but our defenders and goal keeper let us down again. I know one thing from the last two games, Kevin McDonald is not good enough to be our manager. There is no intensity to the way the team play, it's all over the place, O'Leary's tenure v Doncaster comes to mind. Playing Collins up front is a deperate act. Beye and Cuellar are not left and right backs respectively, Cuellar is a centre back and has not the skills a la Luke Young fly up along the wing. Beye had a shite night, out of position and out of form.
We will never win games with Heskey up top, not good enough, we should call him a midfielder and stop this charade that he's a striker. Not good enough.
We need a manager to motivate these guys, the situation needs to be resolved asap, it's costing us games. The players are not good enough to coast it until a manager comes along, the club needs to be settle down. Stephen Ireland must be wondering what he has stepped into.
It's going to get worse before it gets better. It looks like that O'Neill timed his walk out to cause maximum damage, well done it's worked.
Dunne, Friedel, Guzan, Davies, Petrov, Carew and Heskey have to take a good look at their performances over the last two games, and a manager out of his depth will not sort this out.
The remedy will not be cheap for Randy.
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Have to agree with a lot of what has been said already.
It reminded me of being at school when the teacher went out of the classroom, the players are just doing what they want, with nobody giving them clear direction.
K Mac the student teacher is not experienced enough, some of the older pupils (Heskey) are sensible enough to carry on with their work, but some of the others are getting ideas above themselves NRC, Beye, Collins, Petrov all thinking they can score, playing out of position, thinking they can try and play fancy football.
The new kid (Ireland) doesn't know where to sit, some of the younger kids are trying to be good but are being swept along with the rest.
We need a new permanent teacher in to take control and own the class again, or the headteacher to come in for the short term and give everyone extra lines until they start performing like we know they can.
If this continues on Sunday, the pushy parents on the sidelines will start to show their feelings, and it may turn ugly.
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Most worrying for me was the way that Petrov and Ireland kept getting in each others way. If Villa are going to do any good this season, those two have to play well together.
I was also confused by Albrighton not starting and when he did come on, why was he not "hugging the touchline" ?
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Have to agree with a lot of what has been said already.
It reminded me of being at school when the teacher went out of the classroom, the players are just doing what they want, with nobody giving them clear direction.
K Mac the student teacher is not experienced enough, some of the older pupils (Heskey) are sensible enough to carry on with their work, but some of the others are getting ideas above themselves NRC, Beye, Collins, Petrov all thinking they can score, playing out of position, thinking they can try and play fancy football.
The new kid (Ireland) doesn't know where to sit, some of the younger kids are trying to be good but are being swept along with the rest.
If this continues on Sunday, some of the pushy parents will show their feelings from the sidelines
We need a new permanent teacher in to take control and own the class again, or the headteacher to come in for the short term and give everyone extra lines until they start performing like we know they can.
If this continues on Sunday, the pushy parents on the sidelines will start to show their feelings, and it may turn ugly.
Well said that gentleman.
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We were extremely juvenille with our approach after taking the lead; we have enough experienced players to have realised that we should have kept the ball and taken the sting out them. Instead we panicked.
Beye was poor as was Davies and Cuellar is not a full back (were LY SW rested?), Ireland player well in the first half and then disappeared. Ash really pissed me off with the shoulder barge at the end, why do it?
We are in trouble if RL does not appoint in the next week. It also is obvious that we have no players coming in. A massive disappointment and I'm starting feel I couldn't careless.
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right, calmed down enough to type.....
Issues with the game
a) playing a CB at RB is stupid.
b) Playing a RB at LB is stupid
c) Resting a LB because hes played 3 games is stupid.
d) playing one winger on both wings, is......... Stupid
e) playing Emile Heskey is madness
f) Bringing on a winger and putting him in the middle is madness
g) Ireland playing so deep.... Madness
h) We are losing so we send Collins up front.....idiotic.......
i).....when we have a sub left and could bring on Bannan..........
j) who could play out wide where..............
k)Delfouneso was playing for some reason. which is stupid because hes a forward!
l) Put people on the bench who can change the game. Dont totally send them home.
m) and finally.......... resting players for last week cost us the game the most. We should have got more at their ground.
Overall at Villa Park
a) get a manager in tomorrow at the latest if no Interviews have happened then Randy is really, really, stupid.
b) give this person a 12 month contract and then see who is available next year if they arent play acceptable good looking football. As a team who wont break the top 4 this season, we should at least enjoy things.
c) can we all agree Kevin Macdonald is not good enough? can we? Can someone tell ITV4? Cool.
d) Give Heskey away. Pay up his contract. whatever.
e) sign a back up LB now please. Dont let Beye anywhere near LB EVER AGAIN. Maybe ask Bouma back? has he signed for PSV yet?
f) We all need to admit that we are a Feeder/Selling club and start relishing the days out we do get i think. I just feel Milner might have produced a bit more out there, giving us an option on the wing.
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It's too depressing to try to go through the entire thread.
MaCdonald picked the wrong team (again) and our defending (Beye in particular) was pathetic. We had enough of the ball and made enough chances to have won comfortably but unfortunately looked likely to concede every time they attacked.
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I'm starting to think that there was some ulterior motive tonight.....
As we've got this retarded premise of playing our reserves in European matches (even though we've been busting a gut the whole of the previous season to get there?!), I think Beye and Davies did their best to get us knocked out so that they don't miss their Thursday night darts matches!
Guess it would also keep Davies fresh for his Sunday football match against the Pig & Drum!
As WWE-like as it sounds, I've actually started to consider this as a real possibility. I just can't find any other reason as to why Davies would put that ball out for a corner.
No man on the near post seems to be down to KMac as it was the same against Newcastle.
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After Gabby's goal there was no way I could see us not being in today's draw. Really pisses me off we arent, because I think it was a competition we really could have given a lash.
Guzan- at fault for the 2nd goal, perhaps should have done better for the 3rd. I dont think he will fulfill the promise he showed.
Cuellar- first game back, maybe cut him a little slack.
Collins- probably one fo our better performers.
Davies- do you now see why MON didn't pick you last year? What was doing giving that corner away for the 2nd goal. Still given time I still have a small amount of faith he could become a top defender.
Beye- felt a little sorry for him being at fault for 2 of the goals. Doesn't help playing on the left side, but he is a professional. I like Beye, if he could cut out those mistakes I think he is a good full back.
Petrov, NRC + Ireland- I'm lumping these in together because as it stands these are going to be our 'middle 3'. It was clear last night they hadnt played together before, however at times it looked promising. Under the right manager could be an effective trio.
Young- have to give it to him, he puts it in right til the end. Even if i cant stand some of his petulance. Inconsistent final balls yet again, needs to sort that out.
Heskey- actually one of his better games for Villa, which I know doesnt say much. The miss after the penalty was shocking. Why K-Mac didnt bring on the Fonz for im way earlier on is beyond me.
Gabby- get fit soon!
Albrighton- really have to admit I have been pleasantly surprised by how good he has been. I know there were posters raving about him but I had a feeling that there was an element of romanticism in having a local lad thrust into the first team and taking on the PL. He looks the real deal and hopefully the new manager can bring out the best in him.
All in all, a truely disappointing, humiliating night. Villa are fast becoming the laughing stock of English football.
We need a permanent manager and we need him soon.
Petrov said in his post match interview that the uncertainty is affecting the players.
Randy let's get it sorted.
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stevenjos - spot on, think im gunna pigyy back heskey to leicester if i have to, might even go as far as plymouth
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m) and finally.......... resting players for last week cost us the game the most. We should have got more at their ground.
Only thing that cost us was last night's shambolic performance. As someone who travelled to Vienna, I'll attest that the atmosphere was intimidating and the team put out that evening did incredibly well, especially having taken the lead so early on and done the traditional Villa thing of retreating into defence. The kids did us proud. Some of the so-called professionals that played last night let us down.
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m) and finally.......... resting players for last week cost us the game the most. We should have got more at their ground.
Only thing that cost us was last night's shambolic performance. As someone who travelled to Vienna, I'll attest that the atmosphere was intimidating and the team put out that evening did incredibly well, especially having taken the lead so early on and done the traditional Villa thing of retreating into defence. The kids did us proud. Some of the so-called professionals that played last night let us down.
orrrr we could have played people that were rested and maybe nicked one more goal and then gone to extra time last night...
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From the OS "...Heskey got a decisive touch with his chest to steer home..."
Surely they mean "Heskey had the ball whacked as hard as possible at him to deflect it in as this was the only way he was going to score"
He actually adjusted his body to deflect it home, he did his job tonight, he scored, he won a penalty, he does not deserve to be the scapegoat.
Sadly for Heskey no matter how much good work he does - and he does do a fair bit - people will always remember the bad things. Last night was a classic - scored (cleverly I thought) , won a penalty, put in at least one excellent cross that almost brought a goal for NRC, and generally held the ball up and linked play well at times. Yet the penalty rebound miss is what everyone will remember. Mind you it was a howler and a half and I couldn't quite believe what I was seeing. When you are missing sitters like the pen and the rebound at one end and gifting goals at the other, you are in a bit of Pooh I'd say, but to scapegoat the "usual suspects" isn't really fair. There were substandard performance all over last night from the keepr to the "manager".
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"Cuellar- first game back, maybe cut him a little slack." -He should never never be picked at right back when we are not playing a wide player He should never be picked at right back when we do.
A really good central defender, but unfortunately he must have been away from the Spanish Acxademy on the day they did passing. He must be the only Spaniard who can't pass.
And Beye? Just why did we sign him? Him and Davies were a complete shambles last night.
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m) and finally.......... resting players for last week cost us the game the most. We should have got more at their ground.
Only thing that cost us was last night's shambolic performance. As someone who travelled to Vienna, I'll attest that the atmosphere was intimidating and the team put out that evening did incredibly well, especially having taken the lead so early on and done the traditional Villa thing of retreating into defence. The kids did us proud. Some of the so-called professionals that played last night let us down.
orrrr we could have played people that were rested and maybe nicked one more goal and then gone to extra time last night...
Why would a "stronger" team last week faired any better then the "Stronger" team this week. If we had played the without the kids then you have to discount the goal we actually scored as at least one of the players involved wouldn't have been playing. As i have stated before, hindsight is 20-20 and very subjective. If Albrighton hadn't have been greedy during his bursting run and played Ash in we might have had an earlier goal. If the cross from Heskey had hit NRC slightly differently it could have been a goal or deflected in to Ash's path for an open goal 2 yards out. If Curtis hadn't have played we would have been through. All subjective and only clear in hindsight.
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I am terrified about what Everton will do to us.
I'm terrified to think what The Blues will do to us. Seriously.
And every other team.
It has crossed my mind about the Blues & if it were next week i'd be booking my flight to a faraway place but as its in October Im preying that someone will be in place by then
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Especially those selling alone after the match. Some lovely abuse was encountered.
Why what happened?
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m) and finally.......... resting players for last week cost us the game the most. We should have got more at their ground.
Only thing that cost us was last night's shambolic performance. As someone who travelled to Vienna, I'll attest that the atmosphere was intimidating and the team put out that evening did incredibly well, especially having taken the lead so early on and done the traditional Villa thing of retreating into defence. The kids did us proud. Some of the so-called professionals that played last night let us down.
orrrr we could have played people that were rested and maybe nicked one more goal and then gone to extra time last night...
Why would a "stronger" team last week faired any better then the "Stronger" team this week. If we had played the without the kids then you have to discount the goal we actually scored as at least one of the players involved wouldn't have been playing. As i have stated before, hindsight is 20-20 and very subjective. If Albrighton hadn't have been greedy during his bursting run and played Ash in we might have had an earlier goal. If the cross from Heskey had hit NRC slightly differently it could have been a goal or deflected in to Ash's path for an open goal 2 yards out. If Curtis hadn't have played we would have been through. All subjective and only clear in hindsight.
ok why would a stronger team be better then? Why do we want "better" players? Lets just play the kids and what will happen will happen eh? lets rely on luck!
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m) and finally.......... resting players for last week cost us the game the most. We should have got more at their ground.
Only thing that cost us was last night's shambolic performance. As someone who travelled to Vienna, I'll attest that the atmosphere was intimidating and the team put out that evening did incredibly well, especially having taken the lead so early on and done the traditional Villa thing of retreating into defence. The kids did us proud. Some of the so-called professionals that played last night let us down.
orrrr we could have played people that were rested and maybe nicked one more goal and then gone to extra time last night...
Why would a "stronger" team last week faired any better then the "Stronger" team this week. If we had played the without the kids then you have to discount the goal we actually scored as at least one of the players involved wouldn't have been playing. As i have stated before, hindsight is 20-20 and very subjective. If Albrighton hadn't have been greedy during his bursting run and played Ash in we might have had an earlier goal. If the cross from Heskey had hit NRC slightly differently it could have been a goal or deflected in to Ash's path for an open goal 2 yards out. If Curtis hadn't have played we would have been through. All subjective and only clear in hindsight.
Quite. The decision to play a young team last week and come away with a score draw was a masterstroke by KMac. Don't forget we got beat there last year with a decent line-up. It was the shocking performance last night on home turf against an average side which cost us.
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a draw, a masterstroke, think a bit of sick just popped in my mouth....
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while i could not give two shits about this actual match in terms of europe, the continuation of our piss poor form from last sunday was concerning...
absolutely shocking defending, no protection in front of the defence, players out of position, and generally appalling work rate and effort...
dont get me wrong, there were some signs that there is a good side in there somewhere... even better than the one martin o'neill vindictively and selfishly left 5 days before the season started so to cause maxiumum damage to our season, so that his media knobend mates like oliver holte can then proclaim that we were wrong not to allow him to spunk more money on shite like cuellar, heskey, sidwell, petrov, beye, etc, (at the same time, criticising the likes of portsmouth and leeds for financially gambling), and in the process, protect his own reputation that is largely built down to morons from the sun and the mirror... all respect for that cowardly self absorbed cretin disappeared the day he picked his timing to cause maximum damage and left us right in the shit...
but the signs are there that we could have a good passing side that attack with creativity and fluidity, however, at the moment, we are making the most fundamnetal mistakes that are costing us...
for starters, putting emile heskey within five miles of a football pitch... the guy is utter utter wank... even his goal last night was a rebound that he had no knowledge or control over off his useless fat arse... apart from that, he did absolutely nothing all game... nothing other than fall over (never a penalty), or give the ball away...
secondly, carlos cuellar... how that useless bellend can be called a footballer is beyond me... he is shit at centre back, so to then use him at right back is just the most baffling decision since signing heskey... and to think we paid nearly 9 million for him! no wonder randy lerner didnt want to give o'neill any more money... cuellar is an utter embarressement... so slow, can not pass, can not get forward, can not cross, and last night, could not tackle.. a waste of a shirt, and not the only one...
thridly, stiliyan petrov... no mobility, the bite and agility of a toothless comatose 97 year old woman... partnering him with ireland in the centre is just like sticking a huge neon flashing sign with arrows shouting "ATTACK US HERE", and just moving out of the way letting them straight through... utter garbage.... again, to think we paid nearly 7 million for him...
fourth, curtis davies.. looks a shadow of the player who showed great promise before his injury.... not the same player any more, and its time to cut the nearly 10 million loss we paid for him... utter waste of space last night and at fault for at least 2 of their goals, and christ knows how many other mistakes that could have resulted in goals from a better side...
overall, it was disjointed, again... players were out of position, a right back at left back, a centre back at right back, a central defensive midfielder at right wing, a right winger at left wing, and a left winger as a striker, and emile heskey on the pitch... i thought we had seen enough of cuellar at right back and players out of position when o'neill ran away, but the pressure was on the caretaker, so he reverted to o'neills picks and we got what we deserved...
i dont blame him, as its not his job, and he has been left in the shit by o'neill and his backroom staff running away, but if kevin macdonald gets the job, then we are well and truly fucked...
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ok why would a stronger team be better then? Why do we want "better" players? Lets just play the kids and what will happen will happen eh? lets rely on luck!
I wouldn't have called it a masterstroke but 1-1 away from home is a good result in Europe. 3-2 loss for Spurs was a good result in Europe. When you have the advantage (which we did due to away goals) then you need to make the home game count. We failed to do that in an utterly atrocious fashion. I'm only asking why you believe a similar team as last night would have gotten a better result when we were beaten 3-2 on our home turf.
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Should have known how it was going to go when the team ran out to the fucking Black Eyed Peas.
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Should have known how it was going to go when the team ran out to the fucking Black Eyed Peas.
I thought that, i knew the second goal was going in when we sang its all gone quiet over there, far too soon!
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Should have known how it was going to go when the team ran out to the fucking Black Eyed Peas.
Just the very beginning bit that sounds like a cat inside a metal bin.
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Three of theirs arrested inside the ground, over a hundred seats damaged. Lovely people.
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All in all, a truely disappointing, humiliating night. Villa are fast becoming the laughing stock of English football.
What utter rubbish. We've been dumped on, had a couple of bad games but will regroup and come back strong. I'll give you the benefit of being tired and emotional about referring to us becoming a 'Laughing Stock'.
We are Aston Villa FC.
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Looking at the shirtless Rapid fans, they reminded me of thin Geordies.
I did like the kit though
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What's the point of resting your players for league games and trying to qualify for Europe, if all you do when you're in Europe is rest players for the league games to try and get us into Europe?
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Another naff performance last night.
I don't expect much better on Sunday.
Oh dear.
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What's the point of resting your players for league games and trying to qualify for Europe, if all you do when you're in Europe is rest players for the league games to try and get us into Europe?
Good point. One or Two changes is fine. Personally, i'd have played the same side that embarrassed themselves at Newcastle, instead of letting them have their feet up in the stand.
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An unconvincing draw was a master-stroke ??
There manager admitted his team was weaker than last years, but he was surprised how vulnerable we were on both nights.
Plenty has been said about the quality of the team selection and the end performance, as with the last 3 seasons in Europe, Villa have again disappointed hugely and as much as a fan of RL as I am, he must take some of the blame
Was it his policy to play weak teams, I can't see KM having the gumption to make such a decision.
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What really bothered me last night, was after every Rapid goal, as we lined up just about every player looked like they were letting their heads drop. The only one I saw trying to gee them up was Curtis after their second equalizer.
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Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but it made me laugh.
Cheers Smithy.
http://newsarse.com/2010/08/27/emile-heskey-to-receive-lifetime-achievement-award-for-services-to-barn-door-protection/
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Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but it made me laugh.
Cheers Smithy.
http://newsarse.com/2010/08/27/emile-heskey-to-receive-lifetime-achievement-award-for-services-to-barn-door-protection/
Maybe they should do one about the players who miss a free unchallenged shot from the penalty spot rather than the guy who misses the rebound with defenders descending on him and challenging him?
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Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but it made me laugh.
Cheers Smithy.
http://newsarse.com/2010/08/27/emile-heskey-to-receive-lifetime-achievement-award-for-services-to-barn-door-protection/
Maybe they should do one about the players who miss a free unchallenged shot from the penalty spot rather than the guy who misses the rebound with defenders descending on him and challenging him?
I'd like to think the award merits his services to barn doors over much longer than one night.
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With nothing else to do on a Friday morning during my gardening leave I watched
a re-run of last night's performance in the hope of finding some positives -
It was actually worse than it appeared in the flesh - to be fair we were ok in the
first half but once Rapid got back to all square at 1-1 we lost our shape completely -
Even when MON was manager I can't recall so many players played out of position,
even the subs (Albrighton & The Fonze were instructed to play in wrong areas of
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The antics of Davies & Beye were comical but I for one can't raise a smile -
Last night many posters identified the Davies absurd punt over our goal when he could,
should have played the ball up the line or even conceded a throw in by the corner flag,
but if you bare to look again at the resulting corner kick our positioning and marking
wouldn't be tolerated at junior level .........unless I'm mistaken we went zonal and in any
event no one was poistioned on the near post who would have been able to clear
when Guzan failed to complete a routine save -
Surely the management also watch the match again in similar fashion and emphasize
where we are going wrong and hopefully what we are doing right ( yes ok we haven't
got any management at the moment )
I've coached junior teams but wouldn't profess to be any expert, without even
trying I spotted at least a dozen elementary errors with the set up of of team and
the manner in which they were instructed to play -
Its now 2pm Friday .............the silence from Villa Park is deafening
I fear it's going to be groundhog day when (not if) we are defeated when Everton
are the visitors
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What really bothered me last night, was after every Rapid goal, as we lined up just about every player looked like they were letting their heads drop. The only one I saw trying to gee them up was Curtis after their second equalizer.
Was that the goal from the corner that he bizarely lashed out for a corner? Maybe he felt guilty?
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Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but it made me laugh.
Cheers Smithy.
http://newsarse.com/2010/08/27/emile-heskey-to-receive-lifetime-achievement-award-for-services-to-barn-door-protection/
Maybe they should do one about the players who miss a free unchallenged shot from the penalty spot rather than the guy who misses the rebound with defenders descending on him and challenging him?
Heskey's miss achieved the impossible and was actually worse than the spot kick. He's fucking awful.
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We'd have had Porto, Besiktas and CSKA Sofia
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What really bothered me last night, was after every Rapid goal, as we lined up just about every player looked like they were letting their heads drop. The only one I saw trying to gee them up was Curtis after their second equalizer.
Was that the goal from the corner that he bizarely lashed out for a corner? Maybe he felt guilty?
Petrovs job yet iv never seen him do it, never seen him organize and show any signs of leadership. The sad thing is there arent really many other candidates
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I don't think there was one player on the pitch last night who you could call a leader.
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With nothing else to do on a Friday morning during my gardening leave I watched
a re-run of last night's performance in the hope of finding some positives -
I hope for your sake you'll be back in employment very soon.
We were woeful, but I've seen a lot worse. I reckon most have, but raising expectations can be a dangerous thing.
Everytime we have a bad time of it, I get the urge to spend money on the club. I buy some tat off the club site, as if that will help the situation. Things better improve, or they'll find me in 15 years buried under three tons of polyester
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I've been thinking about the lack of a leader debate. I'm sure really it is another legacy of the mon era and a deliberate one on mon's part. We know how much he doesn't like to be challenged, so I'm sure he was quite happy to see certain "leaders" leave the club during his reign and he sure as hell wasn't going to sign any....
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I don't think there was one player on the pitch last night who you could call a leader.
You could argue Albrighton was trying to lead by example, but being only slightly older than myself I can't see him ranting and raving at some of the senior players. Though I would have if I'd been on the pitch, along with every other Villa fan I'm sure.
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With nothing else to do on a Friday morning during my gardening leave I watched
a re-run of last night's performance in the hope of finding some positives -
I hope for your sake you'll be back in employment very soon.
We were woeful, but I've seen a lot worse. I reckon most have, but raising expectations can be a dangerous thing.
Everytime we have a bad time of it, I get the urge to spend money on the club. I buy some tat off the club site, as if that will help the situation. Things better improve, or they'll find me in 15 years buried under three tons of polyester
Cheers Hopadop - made me smile when I read the bit about 'polyester'
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We have enough (ex) leaders in the team. Reo Coker, Davies, Dunne all have been captains in the past but none seem to want to step forward and take up the baton. Personally I would give it to Dunne but at the moment we are leaderless off and on the pitch.
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That old Asian bloke was good at half time.
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What's the point of resting your players for league games and trying to qualify for Europe, if all you do when you're in Europe is rest players for the league games to try and get us into Europe?
Yes baffling to say the least. Assuming Coach has some direction from Management on priorities and if Europa is last than yes what was the point of qualifying? How the hell are we goping to improve if we don't compete in Europe and learn.
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We'd have had Porto, Besiktas and CSKA Sofia
Our co-efficient meant we'd have been in a higher pot than Rapid. Think we'd have got AZ, Dynamo Kiev and (Rusty) Sheriff ('s badge).
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Can any of you computer/you tube boffins upload the goals from last night please ?
Can you also add the hoof over the crossbar by Davies ? When he did it people sat by me just stared at each other in amazement.
Can you also add the flag juggling linesman and the comedy ballboy/Rapid goalie incident please ? I just need a good laugh and ive read all the jokes now. Thanks.
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That old Asian bloke was good at half time.
Was he? What was the idea of him running (very slowly) around the pitch?
Mind you, when I'm 99 I'd be well pleased to be able to run round a football pitch, and secondly, to grow a beard like that. Perhaps that could be my ambition now I'm too old to be a mascot....?! lol
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A day later hasn't helped. I think last night was more depressing and damaging than the 6-0 even. Haven't read all the posts so probably some repitition in these thoughts but:
Davies and Beye- I was among those who thought they perhaps didn't get a fair crack of the whip but after their displays in both legs it would appear MON was right not to play them more often (whether he was right to buy them in the first place is another matter) Davies gving away that corner for the crucial 2nd goal is one of the most woeful pieces of ineptitude I've ever seen on a football pitch.
Which brings us nicely on to Heskey- what this useless lump of s*** is still doing getting anywhere near the pitch I don't know. I don't care if he's on lots of money, I don't care how many England caps he's won or how many more honours he's got than the rest of our sqaud, the man cannot play football and should definitely not be attempting to do so for Aston Villa. What the Fonz has to do to get a game I don't know. I know Carew gets knocked on here and justifiably so given some of his more lacklustre efforts but I'd pick him any day of the week over Emile. I really hope Gabby's knocks don't become more recurrent otherwise we are really in the brown stuff with our attcking options.
I think the playing of the reserves last week (including the aforementioned donkey) is equally to blame for our woeful exit despite the fact they achieved a better result than the "first" team. We should have played the same team that trounced West Ham, injuries permitting, on a crest of a wave and put the tie to bed. Then even a horror show like last night might have seen us through.
I really hope we can bounce back but I'm scared. Leeds Utd, relegated 2 seasons after finishing 6th with a squad too good to go down. I hope this isn't us in a couple of years.
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I really hope we can bounce back but I'm scared. Leeds Utd, relegated 2 seasons after finishing 6th with a squad too good to go down. I hope this isn't us in a couple of years.
were they not selling their squad though due to money issues.
Ahh I see your point :)
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I've just seen the highlights on TV for the first time and Guzan was woeful. It's hard to tell from the Holte at the time but I didn't realise their goals were so soft. We need to pray that the aging Brad Senior makes it through the season unscathed.
Messrs Beye, Guzan and Davies were all given a shot against mediocre opposition and came up short. Really quite shameful.
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I really hope we can bounce back but I'm scared. Leeds Utd, relegated 2 seasons after finishing 6th with a squad too good to go down. I hope this isn't us in a couple of years.
were they not selling their squad though due to money issues.
Ahh I see your point :)
one league game lost, and a poor showing in a Europa qualifier and we are the new Leeds Utd.
i cant believe some of the stuff posted on here the last couple of days
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I really hope we can bounce back but I'm scared. Leeds Utd, relegated 2 seasons after finishing 6th with a squad too good to go down. I hope this isn't us in a couple of years.
were they not selling their squad though due to money issues.
Ahh I see your point :)
one league game lost, and a poor showing in a Europa qualifier and we are the new Leeds Utd.
i cant believe some of the stuff posted on here the last couple of days
Aye it’s a little bit premature to say the least and a tad on the hysterical side to boot. Patience is not a common virtue.
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I really hope we can bounce back but I'm scared. Leeds Utd, relegated 2 seasons after finishing 6th with a squad too good to go down. I hope this isn't us in a couple of years.
were they not selling their squad though due to money issues.
Ahh I see your point :)
one league game lost, and a poor showing in a Europa qualifier and we are the new Leeds Utd.
i cant believe some of the stuff posted on here the last couple of days
Aye it’s a little bit premature to say the least and a tad on the hysterical side to boot. Patience is not a common virtue.
I'm not saying we are the new Leeds Utd, Im using them as an example to show that teams established in the top 6 can slip and slip alarmingly. As I said I hope this doesn't happen to us and I'm pretty sure it won't but that's a couple of real shockers this week. We have been shambolic and we need to sort it out quick.
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The set of problems that faced Leeds United and Sheffield Wednesday are not the same problems we have now. You’re comparing an apple with an orange.
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That old Asian bloke was good at half time.
Sadly in a race around the pitch, he would have probably beat me. I am 39. His stalling towards the end would have been my shame as he still made the lap before me.
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m) and finally.......... resting players for last week cost us the game the most. We should have got more at their ground.
Only thing that cost us was last night's shambolic performance. As someone who travelled to Vienna, I'll attest that the atmosphere was intimidating and the team put out that evening did incredibly well, especially having taken the lead so early on and done the traditional Villa thing of retreating into defence. The kids did us proud. Some of the so-called professionals that played last night let us down.
orrrr we could have played people that were rested and maybe nicked one more goal and then gone to extra time last night...
Been out all day and others have continued the general discussion with you, but just wanted to point out that had we won the first leg 2-1 (as you suggest) and lost the 2nd leg 3-2 (as we did), we'd still not have made it to extra-time as away goals count after 90 minutes in Europe, not after extra-time.
Other than that, your analysis is spot on. The team that got a draw away let us down. The team that lost at home despite leading 2-1 with about 15 minutes to go did us proud *ahem*
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That old Asian bloke was good at half time.
Almost as good as the old bloke on Five Live after the game!
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The set of problems that faced Leeds United and Sheffield Wednesday are not the same problems we have now. You’re comparing an apple with an orange.
I am aware that Leeds and Sheff Wed (who I didn't even mention) were in completely different boats. We are nothing like the financial basket cases either of those were. The only reason I brought up Leeds was because I'm feeling severely pissed off by the last 2 games and while I was imagining worst case scenarios (slightly melodramatic I agree but you've got to pass the time at work somehow) I was thinking that surely we couldn't go from consistent top 6 to relegation so quickly then I remembered Leeds' demise and realised it can happen.
I think that in all probability this won't happen to us, we always seem to bounce back from adversity and as you rightly point out we are nothing like Leeds were when it happened to them. Incidentally when referring to Leeds I was only meaning the relegation to Div 2 (old money), not all their subsequent travails. It was an observation of a team in recent history who went from 6th to relegation in 2 seasons.
I really hope that Randy gets the appointment right and when we're lifting the FA cup in a couple of years you can post the last sentence of my original post and say "what an idiot"
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shit!!