Burnley v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Meanwood Villa]

It's not quite that bad. Nine points from our last 10, 16 from our last 15. Relegation form.

[Rico]

We seem to start so slowly when playing away from home which allows the opposition to gain confidence and momentum. We then struggle to up our tempo when necessary. It's something that needs addressing.

[PeterWithe]

Pretty poor that when we are so close to securing CL, we throw in 3x league games, against poor teams, where we just cant seem to find another gear to move into. All a bit flat.

We've been lacking attacking options off the bench all season and here was another.

[cdbearsfan]

We are 16th in the table since Chelsea away. That's way beyond a blip. We have been very unlucky with midfield injuries but, even so, our plan B is not good enough and Luiz was not the player we needed. We are among the best teams on Earth when all our midfield are fit, but thoroughly mediocre when they aren't. Have to strengthen the midfield in the summer so we aren't totally fucked whenever Kamara and/or Onana are missing.

[Bobby Boy]

9 points out of a possible 45 in the league now is it?  The cup run has certainly papered over the cracks.  Something needs to change in the summer otherwise I think this side will struggle next year.

Yes, we're in the relegation places over the last 9 games which for a team supposedly pushing for the Champions League is absolutely woeful.

Major clear-out required in the summer.

Bailey, Abraham, Guessand, Onana, Mings, Garcia, Maatsen and maybe one or two others we should be looking to offload. Not sure what we'd get for a couple of them though.

Squad needs a massive refresh.

[LeeB]

There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,

Of course there is not every foul is intentional

You're right of course, but I suspect what he meant was "just because it was accidental, doesn't mean it's not a foul".  Deliberate fouls often result in yellow cards - just because you didn't mean it doesn't mean it's not a foul.

I would have no issue with us not getting a penalty, IF it was consistent for everyone else, but we've seen so many pens given, for so much less, that we know this incident is a penalty 90% of the time elsewhere.  The Bruno penalty against us when he stood on (I think Konsa's) foot.  What we need, is an explanation WHY it was not a penalty.   If it's because the ref just saw it as an "accidental coming together", then fine, but I will expect to see zero pens given for similar incidents next season.

But of course we know that the moment someone like Bruno steps across a defender and gets clipped, it will be a guaranteed penalty.

Can think of Diallo and Cunha winning pens for them with absolutely minimal contact this season off the top of my head, the Cunha one of course not even being inside the box.

[Somniloquism]

9 points out of a possible 45 in the league now is it?  The cup run has certainly papered over the cracks.  Something needs to change in the summer otherwise I think this side will struggle next year.

Yes, we're in the relegation places over the last 9 games which for a team supposedly pushing for the Champions League is absolutely woeful.

Major clear-out required in the summer.

Bailey, Abraham, Guessand, Onana, Mings, Garcia, Maatsen and maybe one or two others we should be looking to offload. Not sure what we'd get for a couple of them though.

Squad needs a massive refresh.

Abraham can work if we got decent wingers in and changed styles. I suspect it would depend on whether we want to do that work but we could be making lots of other personnel changes as you have listed.

[kippaxvilla2]

Abraham screamed panic buy.  I love Tammy but he really isn’t suited to our system and if he couldn’t get on yesterday you have to question the reasoning.  For a side with limited money we don’t half fritter it away sometimes.

[jwarry]

Abraham screamed panic buy.  I love Tammy but he really isn’t suited to our system and if he couldn’t get on yesterday you have to question the reasoning.  For a side with limited money we don’t half fritter it away sometimes.

Or it could be he is having to learn the Unai way and as we know the likes of Youri et al went through this process

[eamonn]

In his pre presser Emery said Tammy was still adapting and it would take time. Maybe he still has a role.

[kippaxvilla2]

Fair enough.

[Clampy]

Abraham screamed panic buy.  I love Tammy but he really isn’t suited to our system and if he couldn’t get on yesterday you have to question the reasoning.  For a side with limited money we don’t half fritter it away sometimes.

I don't think he was a panic buy as Emery has wanted him for a while i think.

[astonvilla82]

There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,

Of course there is not every foul is intentional

You're right of course, but I suspect what he meant was "just because it was accidental, doesn't mean it's not a foul".  Deliberate fouls often result in yellow cards - just because you didn't mean it doesn't mean it's not a foul.

I would have no issue with us not getting a penalty, IF it was consistent for everyone else, but we've seen so many pens given, for so much less, that we know this incident is a penalty 90% of the time elsewhere.  The Bruno penalty against us when he stood on (I think Konsa's) foot.  What we need, is an explanation WHY it was not a penalty.   If it's because the ref just saw it as an "accidental coming together", then fine, but I will expect to see zero pens given for similar incidents next season.

But of course we know that the moment someone like Bruno steps across a defender and gets clipped, it will be a guaranteed penalty.

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[geolex]

There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,

Of course there is not every foul is intentional

You're right of course, but I suspect what he meant was "just because it was accidental, doesn't mean it's not a foul".  Deliberate fouls often result in yellow cards - just because you didn't mean it doesn't mean it's not a foul.

I would have no issue with us not getting a penalty, IF it was consistent for everyone else, but we've seen so many pens given, for so much less, that we know this incident is a penalty 90% of the time elsewhere.  The Bruno penalty against us when he stood on (I think Konsa's) foot.  What we need, is an explanation WHY it was not a penalty.   If it's because the ref just saw it as an "accidental coming together", then fine, but I will expect to see zero pens given for similar incidents next season.

But of course we know that the moment someone like Bruno steps across a defender and gets clipped, it will be a guaranteed penalty.

I couldnt agree more there is definitely a bias when it comes to 50/50 decisions , and for the record i though it was a penalty if my post came across as having a dig at youre comment it wasnt meant that way and i apologise.

[brontebilly]

9 points out of a possible 45 in the league now is it?  The cup run has certainly papered over the cracks.  Something needs to change in the summer otherwise I think this side will struggle next year.

Need CL football to help fund the necessary changes. Beggars belief that we appear on verging of throwing it away...again.